Forum logs for 06 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00053137 = 10.8399 BTC [+] {2} [00:02]
asciilifeform mats, mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188920 << gotta mirror this [00:07]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 02:22:58; mats: half a tb of emails and code there. [00:07]
asciilifeform in other news, Run Moar Winblowz!!!11!! [00:07]
asciilifeform esp usg subcontractorz plz. [00:07]
asciilifeform in yet other nyooz, still wedged at 363954. [00:08]
mod6 318k+ [00:08]
asciilifeform note that 363954 is 1) past the nominal ph0rkpoint 2) on a public node [00:09]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188882 << see above [00:14]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 01:21:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188232 << is this a problem after syncing ? [00:14]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188886 << the only reason i found it readable [00:15]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 01:23:43; mats: i haven't noticed any actual bugs, but its apparent the person who wrote the port literally just copied it over without using python idioms like factories [00:15]
asciilifeform fuck oopisms [00:15]
asciilifeform (oop systems which aren't clos (or possibly smalltalk's, and generally meta-object-able) are like btc securities exchanges which aren't mpex.) [00:16]
asciilifeform better to have nothing than a shit-wine hybrid barrel. [00:16]
mats you'll not enjoy reading the key server code then [00:17]
asciilifeform which ? [00:17]
mats mne [00:17]
asciilifeform can't be any worse than bitcoind [00:17]
mats mine* [00:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00052897 = 40.8894 BTC [-] {3} [00:17]
asciilifeform (or could it) [00:17]
asciilifeform kakobrekla, anybody else: can we get a mirror of that half-megatonne of shit ? [00:18]
mats most complicated machinery is flask and a postgres wrapper [00:18]
mats you'll just have to find out [00:18]
asciilifeform mats: that's almost exactly a description of 'phuctor', l0l [00:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00052059 = 20.6674 BTC [-] {3} [00:19]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188450 << all urls are shortened to the same length which is 22 characters, leaving 118 left for the title plus a space to separate it from the url. very few titles are longer than this [00:25]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 20:06:46; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Twitter's URL shortening is unpredictable. Basically it just checks if it can fit in 140 characters pre-shortening and trims what won't [00:25]
decimation lol that Piketty guy is now a paid shill for greece: https://medium.com/@gavinschalliol/thomas-piketty-germany-has-never-repaid-7b5e7add6fff [00:27]
assbot Thomas Piketty: “Germany has never repaid.” — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGC7Ei ) [00:27]
decimation "if you don't have a debt jubileee it's like you are shoveling jews into the furnace" [00:27]
williamdunne danielpbarron: Thanks, I'll fix it to take that into account tomorrow [00:29]
asciilifeform ;;later tell jurov http://www.gnu.org/software/global << interesting potential replacement for 'lxr' [00:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:36]
assbot GNU GLOBAL source code tagging system ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHxhXK ) [00:36]
asciilifeform mats et al: http://yosefk.com/blog/fun-with-ub-in-c-returning-uninitialized-floats.html [00:43]
assbot Fun with UB in C: returning uninitialized floats ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGDumw ) [00:43]
asciilifeform 'The average C/C++ programmer's intuition says that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't depend on their values. A more experienced programmer probably suspects that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't access them. ... Well, it turns out that even if the caller does nothing at all with the return value – ever... ... the program might bomb.' [00:44]
mats wat [00:46]
asciilifeform aha. [00:48]
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asciilifeform http://www.brendangregg.com/FlameGraphs/cpuflamegraphs.html << interesting graphatron re: profiling [00:50]
assbot CPU Flame Graphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHyDS8 ) [00:50]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu minor nitpick with article: 'bitcoin core' is what the gavinists call their turd. the traditional client is generally known as 'bitcoind'. [00:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:52]
asciilifeform i don't give a flying fuck personally, but the terminology might sow some confusion among readership [00:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3789 @ 0.00052781 = 1.9999 BTC [+] [00:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50724 @ 0.00052781 = 26.7726 BTC [+] [01:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188874 << 'brightest' is not really the word [01:01]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 00:50:10; mircea_popescu: the sad result of post-war welfarism being that "the west" is now in this sad position where the brightest minds are in the heads of some unwashed horde somewhere in the mideast. [01:01]
asciilifeform nor are the 'desert horde' exempt from the radiation damage of welfarism. ferfuxxsake they're getting free tanks by the column ! [01:02]
asciilifeform just think of the moral degeneration from ~that~ [01:02]
decimation not to mention the generations of inbreeding [01:03]
asciilifeform eh, that one's survivable [01:03]
asciilifeform ask the hassids [01:03]
decimation nevertheless, isis is certainly where you would find someone who knows how to survive a shitstorm [01:03]
asciilifeform (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks) [01:03]
asciilifeform depends what means 'survive' and 'shitstorm' [01:03]
mats iirc second cousins are safe [01:04]
mats asciilifeform: after some consultation with my betters, one had this to say: "I'm not sure you can blame that on undefined behavior, except insofar as a SIGFPE is just as valid as nasal demons and such at that point." [01:06]
mats "it is not a case of the compiler doing something crazy because of undefined behavior." [01:06]
asciilifeform mats: fact of the matter is, the machine behaves in a way which will probably surprise most readers. [01:07]
asciilifeform that is worth rubbing in peoples' faces. [01:07]
mats yes [01:07]
asciilifeform whether the compiler, the os, or satan is to blame - is secondary [01:07]
asciilifeform if the effect were not so brute, it would've made a good star in an 'underhanded c contest' entry. [01:08]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188872 << mistake to symlink 'the west is moribund' and 'la ilaha illa'llah Muhammadun rasul Allah' (tm) (r) [01:10]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 00:48:54; mircea_popescu: decimation their branchline is in no sense backwards. it is currently the consensus of thinking people (alf said "ru", but really, i agree, everyone with any sense agrees, ru is no determinant) that they are in point of fact broadly correct, [01:10]
asciilifeform very different items. [01:10]
decimation http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/inbreeding/ [01:10]
assbot Inbreeding | West Hunter ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHAN4l ) [01:10]
decimation asciilifeform: I've made those flamegraphs before, used 'perf' tool [01:11]
decimation it comes with kernel [01:11]
asciilifeform neat [01:11]
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decimation but getting it to cough up full stacktraces is a pain in the ass [01:11]
decimation need libunwind, gdb configured correctly, etc [01:12]
decimation actually gdb isn't involved [01:12]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188887 << on top of this, the folks who informed 'amazon' and other usgtronic entities about the xen holes, etc. long before mortals were shown - are legitimate targets. [01:13]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 01:24:01; mircea_popescu: "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die." [01:13]
decimation ironically usg uses the same formula for 'extending protection' [01:13]
asciilifeform i personally refuse to make any distinction between someone who wrote, e.g., 'heartbleed', into existence - and some other fella who ~knew of it and didn't tell me~ [01:14]
asciilifeform they are exactly the same to me. [01:14]
decimation even if done by mistake? [01:14]
asciilifeform how am i to believe this? [01:14]
asciilifeform every devil, great and small, held up by his hindlegs over the fire will say exactly same thing: 'mistake' [01:15]
decimation true. [01:15]
decimation then again, who are the innocents using openssl to secure themselves? [01:15]
asciilifeform at any rate, the offenders for this last item are known, habitual, and loudly unrepentant. [01:16]
asciilifeform what next, we are to care about the 'innocents' 'securing themselves' with winblows? [01:17]
asciilifeform the hell they rot in is a strictly voluntary place [01:17]
decimation well, then why not congratulate, rather than roast, said devil? [01:18]
asciilifeform decimation: notice that 'winblows' now includes much of the unixlike world, in practice. [01:18]
asciilifeform what i'd like to see happen is for all the poor schmucks who report, e.g., a 'xen' 0day, to 'cert' et al, to understand that they are ~weaponsmithing for usg for free~ [01:20]
asciilifeform at the very least, ought to charge [01:20]
asciilifeform if 'selling the rope with which to be hanged' [01:20]
decimation even microsoft needs a tcp/ip stack - reminds me of your blog post on 'the burden of supporting all the world' [01:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12448 @ 0.00052781 = 6.5702 BTC [+] [01:21]
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decimation asciilifeform: what gets my goat are the constant pleadings for money money and power to do 'cyber' [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00054986 = 8.0829 BTC [+] {2} [01:24]
asciilifeform decimation: the process of crafting, concealing, and then digging up '0days' is extremely labour-intensive [01:26]
asciilifeform which also means that there is that much more to be embezzled via meta-armies of imaginary labourers [01:26]
asciilifeform just like an f-35 engine compressor made from monocrystalline shitanium with unobtainium alloy blades is far more lucrative than an ordinary steel one [01:27]
asciilifeform (because higher price tag + vapour delivery is far more lucrative than low + same vapour) [01:27]
decimation asciilifeform: this is why the ru military were able to make fighters that match nato's for orders of magnitude less cash [01:30]
decimation they only had to build planes, not employ zombies [01:30]
decimation or at least fewer, cheaper zombies [01:31]
decimation the supreme irony being that the story is that 'nato won' because of capitalist efficency [01:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6049 @ 0.00053927 = 3.262 BTC [-] [01:57]
mircea_popescu HT does 'hax for hire' as USG subcontractor. lulz. << mmmyeah [01:59]
mircea_popescu mod6 yeah i know it should be doable. [01:59]
mircea_popescu maybne iof anyone feels like posting the link where doxygen / svg experts gather. [01:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i am deliberately trampling that convention. fuck them. [02:00]
mircea_popescu you'll not enjoy reading the key server code then << im kinda curious how this thing will go down :D [02:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is not practical to keep tb sized backups on webservers. make a local copy, put on torrents. [02:02]
mircea_popescu im sure it's there anyway, but hey. [02:02]
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mircea_popescu just think of the moral degeneration from ~that~ << those grapes aren't whine yet. [02:03]
mircea_popescu very different items. << sure. [02:05]
ben_vulpes jesus shit i blink and y'all crap out 400 lines? [02:07]
mircea_popescu don't look at me, it's all them. [02:07]
mircea_popescu an' with that, im off. have a great 5th of july erryone. [02:08]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes how do you mean ? [07:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88450 @ 0.00053608 = 47.4163 BTC [+] {4} [07:37]
mats i just wanna read the code to their tools tbh [07:59]
kakobrekla http://www.csoonline.com/article/2943968/data-breach/hacking-team-hacked-attackers-claim-400gb-in-dumped-data.html [08:11]
assbot Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data | CSO Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIWWBo ) [08:11]
mircea_popescu was in logs, alf wanted it mirrored. [08:11]
jurov anyonen has working torrent/magnet link? [08:13]
jurov i found one, it's stalling [08:13]
jurov or anyone downloaded it already? [08:13]
* mircea_popescu confesses to not having bothered. [08:19]
mircea_popescu is it gone nao ? [08:20]
kakobrekla what is gone? [08:20]
mircea_popescu the 400gb thing [08:20]
* kakobrekla still has no idea wtf the thing is [08:21]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla apparently a dump of emails and other things [08:25]
jurov most of googling leads to a 10M PDF which i'm loathing to touch [08:26]
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kakobrekla if only id been awake [08:38]
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jurov they waited until noone was on watch in #b-a [08:43]
jurov https://netzpolitik.org/2015/hacking-team-wird-zu-hacked-team-400-gb-interne-daten-von-ueberwachungssoftware-hersteller-veroeffentlicht/ [08:44]
assbot Hacking Team wird zu Hacked Team: 400 GB interne Daten von Überwachungssoftware-Hersteller veröffentlicht | netzpolitik.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0fWpp ) [08:44]
jurov but my deluge has serious problem digesting there linked torrent [08:45]
jurov gotta wait and see [08:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00053741 = 7.685 BTC [+] [08:46]
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jurov haha and vuze says "too large to be a torrent" [08:48]
jurov apparetly my pr0n toolchain of choice is insufficient for this task [08:50]
mircea_popescu heh [08:50]
mircea_popescu maybe you should give that 10mb pdf a second look :D [08:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00054262 = 10.7439 BTC [+] [08:53]
punkman http://250bpm.com/blog:50 [08:54]
assbot Finish your stuff - 250bpm ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0gwn5 ) [08:54]
kakobrekla http://img.hihi.si/Upload/JPGc.png [08:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LSfqjr ) [08:56]
jurov kakobrekla: using "Ein Torrent"? [08:58]
kakobrekla fellows screenshot, from twitter mega torrent [08:59]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron http://dpaste.com/1NYN9VX kthx. [09:04]
assbot dpaste: 1NYN9VX ... ( http://bit.ly/1LSg3te ) [09:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44913 @ 0.00053179 = 23.8843 BTC [-] {2} [09:09]
mircea_popescu ok well since everyone thinks this so important ima have a machine contribute too, just fgor the seeding [09:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4269 @ 0.00052534 = 2.2427 BTC [-] [09:10]
kakobrekla http://img.hihi.si/Upload/n3t4.png [09:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0hWha ) [09:11]
kakobrekla useless. [09:11]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJNmcVNUAAAiGZ2.png:large [09:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0i3ta ) [09:12]
punkman Passw0rd!! [09:12]
mircea_popescu loller [09:13]
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williamdunne I'll give it a seed [09:13]
williamdunne Anything interesting particularly yet? [09:13]
mircea_popescu The latest Tweets from Christian Pozzi (@christian_pozzi): "We are closing down. Bye Saudi Arabia. You paid us well. Allahuhakbah." [09:14]
mircea_popescu nothing much [09:14]
williamdunne kakobrekla: I particularly like that it includes their router password [09:14]
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williamdunne Wonder if the source code is worth shit [09:19]
mircea_popescu not unless you get amir taaki to "open source" it. [09:20]
punkman http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/05/the-women-who-secretly-keep-isis-running.html [09:20]
assbot The Women Who Secretly Keep ISIS Running - The Daily Beast ... ( http://bit.ly/1J0iHab ) [09:20]
mircea_popescu sexual slavery eh. [09:20]
williamdunne Mmm struggling to find as much as a magnet link for this [09:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63766 @ 0.00051937 = 33.1181 BTC [-] {4} [09:24]
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mircea_popescu maybe magnet:?dn=Hacked+Team&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fcoppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce&xt=urn%3Abtih%3AKFQDX74I4CQ3HOWTSYTBJF4JFHE5E2KV ? [09:27]
williamdunne Awesome, thanks [09:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189127 << kinda the way it goes neh ? project this large, be happy if you can get away with just one machine. [09:29]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 05:19:08; decimation: yes, you basically have to devote a fulll machine to it [09:29]
shinohai @ jurov did u manage to get the torrent yet? [09:29]
punkman https://medium.com/@nweaver/extra-unofficial-xkeyscore-guide-b8513600ad24 [09:29]
assbot Extra Unofficial XKEYSCORE Guide — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1LSif40 ) [09:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189129 << i'm not getting a load off him, what, that's what he got a wife for. [09:29]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 05:20:41; cazalla: ben_vulpes, so you base an entire nation on the few you've met.. gee get a load of this racist [09:29]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189139 << ideally tho, dpaste is used for stuff like encrypted sends, in lieu of mail (which i love tbh, who knew irc + gpg obsoletes email!) or else for stuff like deedbotting. or generally, for spurious useless shit. [09:31]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 05:28:03; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << hm, this is an issue isn't it << srsly [09:31]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189147 << honestly i'm kinda surprised usians even know what cousins ARE. [09:32]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 05:35:37; ben_vulpes: (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks) << generally just the girls [09:32]
mircea_popescu "Yanis Varoufakis, Greece's embattled finance minister, has resigned his post," [09:33]
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mircea_popescu ah nm cazalla had it :p [09:34]
mircea_popescu "It is, therefore, essential that the great capital bestowed upon our government by the splendid NO vote be invested immediately into a YES to a proper resolution – to an agreement that involves debt restructuring, less austerity, redistribution in favour of the needy, and real reforms." [09:36]
mircea_popescu eh fuck this guy. wtf is wrong with people. [09:36]
mircea_popescu real reforms = raping "the needy" with a pointed stick. it is morally wrong to be needy and full fucking stop. [09:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64624 @ 0.00051488 = 33.2736 BTC [-] {2} [09:37]
jurov shinohai: yes, it works wrt rtorrent, 1% done [09:38]
shinohai Aweome jurov, that is a hefty dump for sure [09:38]
mircea_popescu curious if any qntrable articles come out of this. [09:38]
jurov will be in ~day [09:39]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189168 << danielpbarron plox send the man a dozen pogos an' me the shipping bill. jurov send him an address. [09:41]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 07:26:33; jurov: [20150706 01:30] btw, jurov, did you want some pogos shipped << yes davout offered but then went silent [09:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57200 @ 0.00051412 = 29.4077 BTC [-] {3} [09:41]
jurov if it's shipped from murica maybe it's better to disassemble them, mark as "parts" so that customs aren't tempted to "fix" the declared price [09:43]
davout o hey [09:43]
davout wasn't it only friday? [09:43]
jurov yes i immediately pm'd you never got a reply [09:43]
* shinohai is eagerly waiting on his pogo to arrive this week. [09:44]
davout i did take note, planning on sending them during the week [09:44]
mircea_popescu davout never mind, gotta send more into yurp anyway [09:44]
mircea_popescu keep yours, he's getting a fresh dozen [09:44]
davout whatever arbeitet [09:44]
jurov aha ok, thanks you all, send as many as you wish, i can forward them [09:45]
mircea_popescu jurov we see how this goes. [09:45]
mircea_popescu also you'll need ssds for 'em, best start collecting [09:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181850 @ 0.00051204 = 93.1145 BTC [-] {5} [09:48]
jurov lol, collect ssds from scrap? [09:50]
mircea_popescu i dunno. whatever works. but you'll want a dozen ssds to run a dozen pogos. [09:51]
davout with a bit of luck you'll be at the other end of the classical reddit: "o, i dumped my hdd with over 9000 btc on it and now i'm shoveling through the landfill" [09:51]
jurov oh. i was not under impression that i'll be running them all. but 4-5 can be defo arranged [09:52]
mircea_popescu well whoever runs htem [09:53]
mircea_popescu davout wouldn't that be something :D [09:53]
williamdunne davout: That actually resulted in a small army of people shovelling through a landfill [09:53]
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shinohai http://recode.net/2015/07/05/forget-bitcoin-what-is-the-blockchain-and-why-should-you-care/ [10:10]
assbot Forget Bitcoin — What Is the Blockchain and Why Should You Care? | Re/code ... ( http://bit.ly/1HHgk1p ) [10:10]
shinohai ^Etherum lol [10:10]
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williamdunne intheorium [10:24]
williamdunne intheoreum [10:24]
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shinohai I like your name for it better williamdunne [10:32]
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punkman http://www.cnbc.com/id/102810291 [10:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H4ZW40 ) [10:34]
punkman "European Parliament president: Need to urgently discuss humanitarian aid for Greece" [10:34]
punkman food drops? [10:34]
williamdunne shinohai: Can't take all the credit.. http://intheoreum.org/ [10:34]
assbot InTheoreum ... ( http://bit.ly/1H502bP ) [10:34]
williamdunne punkman: New Africa [10:34]
shinohai > Bob controls a worldwide public record of all transactions and is provably arbitrary. We call this record, the Bobchain. [10:35]
shinohai lolz [10:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00054893 = 19.2126 BTC [+] {2} [10:36]
punkman "The only limit on what you can do with Intheoreum is Bob himself. The Bobchain is nothing more than a man in a room maintaining the state of the intheoreum network with Number 2 Pencil technology." [10:36]
williamdunne Intheoreum 1.0 will uses a cutting edge client/server hybrid peer to peer model. Bob is simultaneously your slave and your master. Our testing phase is complete and the Bobchain is live. [10:39]
williamdunne Just ask Bob if you can use it today. [10:39]
williamdunne "As worldwide interest in the Intheorum network increases success may overwhelm Bob alone. Foreseeing this problem we are planning Inthereum 2.0 technology to incorporate JENNYCHAIN, TIMCHAIN, SALLYCHAIN technology." [10:40]
williamdunne "Powered in Theory" [10:40]
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mod6 haha [10:50]
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asciilifeform 364035 [11:24]
asciilifeform and interestingly, a node '-connect'-ed to that one, is wedged at 363954 for 12+ hours now! [11:25]
asciilifeform these are running 100% identical 'stator' [11:25]
punkman asciilifeform: does it sit there doing nothing while wedged? [11:26]
asciilifeform punkman: no, megatonnes of tx garbage [11:26]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/853da9c157c3a3129d72bdf4892949fb/tumblr_mttcnr7D0x1sjgtlbo1_1280.jpg [11:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7tYZv ) [11:27]
punkman http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/ModernMechanix/5-1935/type_mask.jpg [11:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M7tYst ) [11:27]
asciilifeform seeing many thousands of 'ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : nonstandard transaction type' also. [11:29]
asciilifeform and also, as before, ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED [11:30]
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asciilifeform this appears to be the proximate cause of the wedge [11:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35168 @ 0.00055985 = 19.6888 BTC [+] {2} [11:31]
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pete_dushenski is anyone actively typing up a eulogy for varoufakis ? [11:35]
pete_dushenski ^cazalla BingoBoingo punkman ? [11:35]
pete_dushenski if not, i'm there [11:35]
punkman go ahead [11:35]
pete_dushenski aite. [11:35]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu that box really hasn't sufficient i/o to comfortably house phuctor and node. but i presently haven't any other place to put a node. [11:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:36]
mircea_popescu is it a disk issue ? [11:36]
asciilifeform almost certainly [11:36]
asciilifeform and is anyone else experiencing a wedged 0.5.x node of the precise kind i have ? [11:38]
asciilifeform because what i am seeing has every mark of an orchestrated attack against degavinated network, under the smoke cover of the ph0rk aftermath [11:39]
asciilifeform atm i don't have access to a usable bitcoin node at all! [11:40]
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asciilifeform wtf does that thing even care about timestamps [11:41]
* asciilifeform bbl [11:42]
williamdunne asciilifeform: What marks would these be? [11:46]
williamdunne Hmmm.... [11:48]
williamdunne https://www.coinbase.com/network [11:48]
assbot Bitcoin Network Stats - Coinbase [11:48]
williamdunne 0 Peers Connected [11:49]
williamdunne 17 available [11:49]
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scoopbot_revived Eulora skills update http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-skills-update/ [12:02]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189283 << should I take them out of original packaging to save space? and jurov send me address whenever, encrypted with my key if you like [12:03]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 12:37:30; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189168 << danielpbarron plox send the man a dozen pogos an' me the shipping bill. jurov send him an address. [12:03]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron ideally take them apart and send them as parts he says [12:07]
mircea_popescu but in any case yes. [12:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform of course, if phuctor is this starved for io, would it be a good idea to move that thing to ssd ? maybe even raid ? [12:07]
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danielpbarron apart as in unscrew the plastic shell of each unit? [12:08]
mircea_popescu i always thought ram and cpu are the constraints there [12:08]
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mircea_popescu i dunno what he meant o.O [12:08]
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shinohai http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/adult-preschool-charges-hipsters-to-take-naps-play-with-glitter-glue-1.3007745 [12:12]
assbot 'Adult preschool' charges hipsters to take naps, play with glitter glue - Trending - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CWb4iY ) [12:12]
shinohai I should be so clever as to come up with ideas like this, to relieve redditors of their monies. [12:15]
mod6 haha [12:20]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo qntsideration : http://dpaste.com/2MQJ46C.txt [12:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:33]
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: and nice fix :) [12:33]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla and yours ! http://dpaste.com/2FKAE48.txt [12:35]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:35]
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pete_dushenski and with that, ima sign off for nao. ciao ! [12:35]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [12:54]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 278.01, Best ask: 278.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 278.13, 24 hour volume: 71997.83403132, 24 hour low: 262.2, 24 hour high: 278.69, 24 hour vwap: None [12:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21718 @ 0.00053775 = 11.6789 BTC [-] [12:54]
mircea_popescu yeah, who needs vwap for anything. [12:55]
mircea_popescu sigh. [12:55]
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punkman asciilifeform: wtf does that thing even care about timestamps << for adjusting difficulty [13:19]
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ben_vulpes punkman: shouldn't that be a function of the number of blocks since the last difficulty adjustment? [13:20]
kakobrekla every 2016 blocks [13:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00054389 = 11.0682 BTC [+] {2} [13:22]
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jurov ben_vulpes: yes it is, but also time elapsed [13:24]
punkman ben_vulpes: network needs to know how long it's been in human time since last retarget [13:24]
kakobrekla speed is a function of time and distance, so you need to know how much time has passed in the 2016 blocks, right? [13:24]
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punkman https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-July/000037.html [13:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH4AMW ) [13:40]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [13:42]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189410 << arsebleed! [13:45]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 16:36:24; punkman: https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-July/000037.html [13:45]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189407 << probably should've been more specific - why does it matter if timestamp is 'too far in future' ? [13:46]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 16:20:00; punkman: ben_vulpes: network needs to know how long it's been in human time since last retarget [13:46]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189377 << don't lose the steel plate that sits under the pcb - it's the only heatsink [13:47]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 15:03:24; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ideally take them apart and send them as parts he says [13:47]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189379 << not sure if it's solely disk, or also net, as of this moment. and simply getting 2nd box may be more cost-effective. [13:47]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 15:03:54; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course, if phuctor is this starved for io, would it be a good idea to move that thing to ssd ? maybe even raid ? [13:47]
punkman ascii_field:rejects too far in the future because it wants to keep "network time" within some bounds [13:48]
ascii_field seems like logical thing to do would be to accept the block but not move the local epoch time if the block's time is an outlier ? [13:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00051493 = 9.2172 BTC [-] {2} [13:49]
punkman ascii_field: not sure what you mean with "but not move the local epoch time" [13:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138856 @ 0.00054257 = 75.3391 BTC [+] {5} [13:51]
punkman relevant code: https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/main.cpp#L1346 and https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/util.cpp#L823 [13:53]
assbot real-bitcoin/main.cpp at 6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH6YmO ) [13:53]
assbot real-bitcoin/util.cpp at 6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH6YDd ) [13:53]
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ben_vulpes http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html << I don't know why the conservatives with all their hate for welfare programs aren't pro-free-contraception [14:10]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KH9CsN ) [14:10]
ben_vulpes excellent long term cost reduction strategy imho [14:10]
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ascii_field in other nyooz, my portable test node is synced. [14:22]
mats https://github.com/hackedteam/rcs-backdoor/blob/master/lib/rcs-backdoor/backdoor.rb#L180 [14:26]
assbot rcs-backdoor/backdoor.rb at master · hackedteam/rcs-backdoor · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHcmpO ) [14:26]
ascii_field l0l!! [14:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42346 @ 0.00056446 = 23.9026 BTC [+] {3} [14:28]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: what's your seeder IP again? [14:28]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: this one is behind a nat atm [14:28]
ben_vulpes aha. [14:28]
ascii_field the other one is at nosuchlabs.com [14:28]
ascii_field but wasn't synced last i saw [14:29]
ascii_field mats: see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-07-2015#1189254 [14:29]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 12:15:59; mircea_popescu: not unless you get amir taaki to "open source" it. [14:29]
ascii_field looks like ^ happened, aha [14:29]
ben_vulpes stuck on a particular block, or still syncing? [14:29]
ascii_field block [14:29]
mats ain't the net a grand place? [14:29]
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ascii_field https://github.com/hackedteam/core-linux/blob/master/melter/src/main.c << debian rootkit ? [14:33]
assbot core-linux/main.c at master · hackedteam/core-linux · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHdB8H ) [14:33]
ascii_field https://github.com/hackedteam/core-linux/tree/master/melter/lib/packages << diddled ssl ? [14:33]
assbot core-linux/melter/lib/packages at master · hackedteam/core-linux · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHdEkS ) [14:33]
ascii_field too many lulz [14:33]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: do cli flags get auto-munged into bitcoin.conf flags? [14:34]
ascii_field https://github.com/hackedteam/GeoTrust << sign yer driverz! [14:34]
assbot hackedteam/GeoTrust · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHdKc0 ) [14:34]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: whaddayamean [14:34]
ben_vulpes take your myip flag - is that automagically a .conf file option as well? [14:35]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: iirc [14:35]
ascii_field try [14:35]
ben_vulpes will [14:35]
ascii_field gotta love how the morons had their private keys thrown to the wind [14:35]
ascii_field gotta also love the clean, well-commented (italian!) cpp [14:39]
trinque good morning all [14:39]
ascii_field not some sp4mz0r, just a normal software co. [14:39]
ascii_field they just happen to write turdware for usg. [14:39]
ben_vulpes stator syncing [14:41]
* ben_vulpes is late to the party. again. [14:41]
trinque anyone know offhand if armv5tel-softfloat is the appropriate arch for pogo? [14:41]
ben_vulpes but perhaps fashionably so? [14:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61022 @ 0.00056481 = 34.4658 BTC [+] {3} [14:41]
trinque if not, we'll find out I suppose shortly [14:41]
ben_vulpes does anyone know at a high level how nginx does the "swap binary while running" trick? [14:42]
ben_vulpes trinque: is that info missing from asciilifeform's post to the ml? [14:42]
ben_vulpes "pogotronic" iirc [14:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113316 @ 0.00056775 = 64.3352 BTC [+] {6} [14:42]
trinque ben_vulpes: oh I can look, just poking your caches first [14:42]
trinque I tried building stator with arm-linux-gnueabi and it segfaults on the pogo [14:43]
trinque *cross-compiling, that is [14:43]
trinque trying to get some repeatable builds going for arm [14:43]
ben_vulpes neato [14:43]
ben_vulpes ty [14:43]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189474 << yes [14:43]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 17:37:21; trinque: anyone know offhand if armv5tel-softfloat is the appropriate arch for pogo? [14:43]
trinque ty [14:44]
ascii_field this is in 'portatronic' [14:44]
ascii_field the buildroot gives you the complete toolchain you need, independently from that of the box you're on [14:44]
ascii_field i recommend using that [14:44]
trinque k [14:45]
ascii_field gotta be little-endian armv5 [14:45]
ascii_field or will barf spectacularly [14:45]
ascii_field (for the exact instruction set supported, see the marvell datasheet posted ~6 mo. ago.) [14:46]
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ben_vulpes http://wiki.nginx.org/CommandLine#Upgrading_To_a_New_Binary_On_The_Fly [14:47]
assbot CommandLine - Nginx Community ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHg4Qh ) [14:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.0005698 = 48.376 BTC [+] {2} [14:47]
ascii_field https://github.com/hackedteam/vector-ipa/tree/master/src << quality wifi mitm-er [14:50]
assbot vector-ipa/src at master · hackedteam/vector-ipa · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KHgGpk ) [14:50]
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ascii_field anyone who sees a 'martian' version number from nosuchlabs public node, please don't be alarmed. running an experiment today, to determine whether we are being corralled by gavinists using advertised version constant [15:13]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: if you liked clements tall tales, you might get a kick out of Glynn-Ward's "Glamour of British Columbia" [15:20]
ascii_field http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/28440452/ << interesting [15:20]
assbot Bitcoin / Mailing Lists ... ( http://bit.ly/1M83QNX ) [15:20]
ascii_field ^ re: block timestamping [15:20]
ben_vulpes "The English come out and travel through, knowing all about everything beforehand, as the English always do; and, having set standards, they compare the Fraser to the Thames (former too wide) and the Selkirks to the Cotswolds (former too high). They get out to spend a day or so at Lake Louise or Jasper, then get into the train again and stay there till they reach Vancouver. Then they go back to England and give vague lectures in town [15:23]
ben_vulpes halls, about "great open spaces" and "the need for a population." But they know nothing of the real British Columbia. [15:23]
ascii_field so i'm nearly certain that the timestamp ~2h epoch time window is the reason for wedged 0.5.x nodes, at this point [15:23]
ben_vulpes The Americans come, with plenty of money, and stay at the much-advertised hotels, gulping down the Rockies in predigested doses, thenrace through in a Pullman car to the next big hotel on the coast. And how can they know anything of the province? [15:23]
kakobrekla >but I can't fake the hashing power it needs to [15:23]
kakobrekla generate one year's worth of hashes. < isnt this one year actually 10 min ? [15:23]
ben_vulpes The little Jap who, laughing up and down his sleeve goes cheerfully about his business in a gas-boat up the coast, or picks out the best small-fruit land in the country; the ubiquitous Chinaman, steadily cornering all the loose cash in the land -- of a surety these two know more of British Columbia than most white men! [15:24]
ascii_field kakobrekla: ^ if there were no record of the early blocks - then yes [15:24]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: fascinating! what gears are failing to mesh here? [15:25]
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kakobrekla >you won't gain much by lying to your peers since your block won't be [15:26]
kakobrekla accepted < like miners care [15:26]
kakobrekla bah fuckin line breaks [15:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00056597 = 11.4326 BTC [-] {2} [15:27]
ben_vulpes Story has it that he returned to Hazelton, once, after a trip up the Telegraph Trail, and there he found out that he had missed the farthest cabin of all, over two hundred miles away, and there were two men up there left without supplies for the winter. Either the Government had not made the tale of the cabins clear or C. B. himself had miscalculated. However that may have been, the plain fact remained that these two men had to be [15:28]
ben_vulpes supplied -- and it was getting late in the autumn. [15:28]
ben_vulpes So C. B. at once set off north again witha pack-train of sixty-eight horses. He had no very great hope of being able to make his destination before the hard weather came on, but he traveled with all the speed possible, to get over the worst places on the trail before ths first snow fell. But as ill-luck would have it, it began to snow one night just as he came to the rock ledges where the going was bad at the best of times. It snowed [15:29]
ben_vulpes all next day and the following night without any let-up. [15:29]
ben_vulpes Every now and then a horse would miss its footing and go over, sometimes into the rushing river below, to be lost forever. Then it froze, and the going was hopeless. One by one the horses slipped and went down until it was impossible to go onward. C. B. shrugged his shoulders and altered his plans. [15:29]
ben_vulpes [15:30]
ben_vulpes Those supplies had to be delivered to the men patiently waiting for them at the far end of the trail, So he cached the supplies, hoiseted as many carcases of the dead horses as possible into trees where the wolves could not get them, and went all the way back to Hazelton to get dog-teams. [15:30]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: ??? [15:30]
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ben_vulpes (almost done, ascii_field) [15:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7541 @ 0.00055906 = 4.2159 BTC [-] {2} [15:32]
punkman ascii_field: see also http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html [15:32]
ben_vulpes Again he started out, this time with a hundred and twenty-eight dogs, and when he came to the place where he had turned back, he was able to feed the dogs on dead horse-meat, and so get through to the cabin where to two men were waiting. But on the return trip, the going was heavy and slow and he found that the worlves had reached the cache of horse-meat and finished it up, so the dogs were short of food and though he killed one after [15:32]
ben_vulpes another to feed the rest, they weakend and died on the trail. [15:32]
assbot culubas: Timejacking & Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJPzK3 ) [15:32]
ben_vulpes So it was that C. B. returned to Hazelton afoot, limping into the hotel one snowy night in midwinter, "broke to the wide", but otherwise unconcerned. [15:33]
ben_vulpes "Oh, well, I had the contract, and I had to fill it!" And that was all he said. [15:33]
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ben_vulpes ^^ the wot at work. ridiculous numbers aside, we tell stories of heroic deeds performed in service of the papers we sign. [15:34]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski whaddaya know about this glynn-ward character? [15:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33103 @ 0.00055826 = 18.4801 BTC [-] [15:34]
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hdbuck hello mircea_popescu, just passing by to say thx for the rating [15:40]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: are blocks from headers-only miners coming out with timestamps too far in the future? [15:40]
jurov ben_vulpes: nginx prolly just exec()s itself [15:40]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: i do not yet know the answer to this [15:40]
ben_vulpes jurov: there's a bit more than that. did you read my subsequent link? [15:41]
ben_vulpes there's a whole sig* song and dance. [15:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3397 @ 0.00055339 = 1.8799 BTC [-] [15:42]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [15:44]
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ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu turns out it was the epoch time [15:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:44]
ascii_field in other news, give my regards to http://dreyfus.umiacs.umd.edu [15:45]
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assbot dreyfus.umiacs.umd.edu ... ( http://bit.ly/1M88g7G ) [15:45]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: how'd you run it down? [15:45]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: moved it by hand [15:46]
ascii_field this is a rather worrisome discovery [15:46]
ben_vulpes "it" << specifically? [15:46]
ascii_field (not the umd box. though betcha it belongs to the umd scamlab) [15:46]
ascii_field the epoch thing [15:46]
ben_vulpes https://github.com/extempore/real-bitcoin/blob/6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd/src/main.cpp#L1347 << this? [15:47]
assbot real-bitcoin/main.cpp at 6af2c99ad7cf02f95aa650262dea0057051f13cd · extempore/real-bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1M88uLT ) [15:47]
ascii_field aha [15:47]
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ben_vulpes is this a direct result of headers only mining? [15:47]
ascii_field i had the box set to my local time instead of gmt [15:48]
ben_vulpes awut [15:48]
ascii_field but what this means is that no, the thing won't correct for clock offset [15:49]
ascii_field it will just silently cough blood [15:49]
ben_vulpes blee. so block validation relies on some absolute coordinated time? [15:49]
ben_vulpes jesus shit. we'll have to run our own ntp cluster next. [15:49]
mircea_popescu myeap. [15:49]
ascii_field if |your_epoch - block_epoch| > 2hour then lose [15:49]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i could have told you that [15:50]
mircea_popescu sadly, was eating. [15:50]
ben_vulpes node has been wedged for more than a lunch iirc [15:50]
ascii_field i knew the basic fact of. but given as the box displayed correct wall time, did not think of it [15:50]
ascii_field had to check by hand [15:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46050 @ 0.00055682 = 25.6416 BTC [+] {2} [15:50]
ascii_field date +%s [15:50]
ascii_field amazing that it ever worked [15:51]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [15:51]
kakobrekla 'your_epoch' is 'network-adjusted time' isnt it [15:51]
ascii_field kakobrekla: theoretically, epoch time is 'one for all of us, like victory' [15:51]
ascii_field normally gmt. [15:52]
kakobrekla >A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you. [15:52]
kakobrekla this suggests otherwise ? [15:52]
ascii_field but since i refuse to run ntp on the box, i ended up setting date manually when i was given it [15:52]
ascii_field and this, turns out, moved epoch time! [15:52]
ascii_field instead of merely moving offset [15:52]
ben_vulpes blee [15:52]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that [15:53]
ascii_field also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today [15:53]
assbot Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1M89Bet ) [15:53]
mircea_popescu how the fuck we ended up with this situation where diff machiens have unequal times is beyond me [15:53]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it was intended to work as you stated above [15:54]
mircea_popescu i know. [15:54]
ben_vulpes also i verified that if version constant is set to 99999, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io agrees to see the node. unless someone gives a fuck, i will set it back to 0.5.4-beta later today << eeeheuhe [15:54]
assbot Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1M89Bet ) [15:54]
ben_vulpes i actually think setting version to $maxint is a pretty great idea. [15:55]
mircea_popescu it really makes very little difference [15:55]
ben_vulpes why advertise version instead of just responding to network messages? [15:55]
mircea_popescu if you mined and set the block version to maxint it might. [15:55]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: it doesn't make a practical difference, but it pins a pointless magic variable at its "infinity" value, in the zero, one infinity mapping. [15:56]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: i brought up this point before. asked mircea_popescu why we insist on making it so easy for gavinists to wall off our net from the rubes. iirc mircea_popescu said 'fuck them all' [15:56]
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ben_vulpes imho there are 3 things to be done [15:56]
ben_vulpes 1 be "honest" advertise some "version" [15:57]
ben_vulpes 2 be stealthy, advertise whatever "version" is "current" with the shitgnomes [15:57]
ben_vulpes 3 say "fu this shit is wrong and stupid", set version to $maxint [15:57]
* ascii_field favours 3 and stated this some time ago [15:57]
ben_vulpes i'm coming around. [15:58]
ben_vulpes perhaps should be configgable for stealth in production. [15:58]
ben_vulpes trivial patch to apply for anyone who's vested. [15:58]
kakobrekla i dont see how maxint is better than '0' except for the pride parade [15:58]
ascii_field they could still attempt to filter, but it would have to be an open declaration of war. something the gavinists are rather averse to [15:58]
ben_vulpes kakobrekla: there's logic in even the RI codebase that does derpy shit if version numbers are below some critical value. [15:59]
ascii_field aha [15:59]
ben_vulpes ergo we can only ratchet forward. like evolution. [15:59]
kakobrekla wait , and you want this to remain in? [16:00]
ben_vulpes it is *live on the network* [16:00]
ascii_field kakobrekla: which 'this' ? [16:00]
ben_vulpes has nothing to do with our codebase. [16:00]
kakobrekla ascii_field special low version logic [16:00]
ascii_field kakobrekla: fact is, if one of our nodes says 'ver 0', everyone it connects to will throw turds in its face [16:00]
kakobrekla it doesnt make sense to even use that [16:00]
ascii_field kakobrekla: ~other people~ use it [16:01]
ben_vulpes hehe turds [16:01]
kakobrekla we care for other people now ? [16:01]
trinque the thing's a network after all... [16:01]
ascii_field kakobrekla: when we move to alpha centauri with own miners - we can stop [16:01]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: actually this bears testing too. [16:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27294 @ 0.00054821 = 14.9628 BTC [-] {2} [16:01]
ben_vulpes "does a node with version == 0 fail to sync?" [16:02]
* ben_vulpes can barf up this patch sometime this week if not beaten to punch [16:02]
ben_vulpes configgable patch, that is. [16:02]
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ben_vulpes because recompiling bitcoin to set its version number is fucking retarded. [16:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23256 @ 0.00052653 = 12.245 BTC [-] [16:02]
* ben_vulpes also suspects that alf is holding this patch in abeyance [16:03]
kakobrekla also try empty value while you are at it [16:03]
* jurov votes for ver. num. 1337 [16:03]
trinque heh! [16:03]
ben_vulpes 8007135 [16:03]
ben_vulpes 8008135 [16:03]
ascii_field when we get own planet, with own miners, then - all the solipsism you like [16:03]
ascii_field until then, we get wedged nodes and other joys [16:04]
ben_vulpes wait, wedge is related to version number? [16:04]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: speaking here of block ver constant [16:04]
ascii_field the other one appears to only affect 'phone books', which i'm not even certain matter [16:04]
ascii_field (other than the low ver. corner cases mentioned earlier) [16:05]
kakobrekla eh block ver doesnt not even matter until you can produce a block [16:05]
ascii_field the epoch thing is a more pressing matter [16:06]
ascii_field POGO HAS NO RTC CLOCK [16:06]
ascii_field ^^^^ [16:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00052595 = 13.5169 BTC [-] {2} [16:07]
ben_vulpes myeah i'm troubled. [16:07]
punkman pogo can use something like https://github.com/ioerror/tlsdate [16:08]
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assbot ioerror/tlsdate · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1M8cf44 ) [16:08]
punkman or regular ntp [16:08]
ascii_field punkman: ssl ? no thx [16:08]
ascii_field not to mention that ANY AND ALL hardcoded addrs ~will~ be targets [16:08]
ben_vulpes ascii_field:and why no ntp? [16:08]
ascii_field every bit as bad as ntp [16:08]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: because 100% usg [16:08]
ascii_field hitler literally has a button that can set it to whatever. [16:09]
trinque could you use the same sort of logic ntpd does against block timestamps? [16:09]
ascii_field trinque: ~which~ blocks [16:09]
ascii_field any and all turds that claim to be blocks ? [16:09]
ascii_field this is a catch-22, realize [16:09]
trinque seems you'd have to trust at least one node [16:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16854 @ 0.00053798 = 9.0671 BTC [+] [16:10]
trinque yeah I do [16:10]
ascii_field part of block validation is 'is the timestamp <2h from now' [16:10]
ascii_field as discussed earlier in this thread [16:10]
punkman "[OPEN] Reimplement NTP" [16:10]
ben_vulpes hyu [16:11]
kakobrekla but time now is also determined by your peers [16:11]
ascii_field ^ without centralization [16:11]
ascii_field this is, incidentally, a much harder problem than the invention of bitcoin [16:11]
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punkman "Revenue from new accounts : 0 BTC" oh noes [16:14]
punkman is this a first? [16:14]
ascii_field perhaps the day finally came when everyone who could ever afford it - has bought [16:14]
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punkman !up ascii_field [16:15]
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trinque so there's "network adjusted time" right? [16:15]
trinque that's already just the median time of the peers you know [16:15]
ascii_field trinque: realize that this can be manipulated by the enemy [16:15]
ascii_field to be whatever the fuck he wants [16:15]
ascii_field just by sybiling your node [16:16]
trinque sure [16:16]
trinque I don't see a way of getting the time that *doesn't* suffer from that [16:16]
ascii_field there ~is~ the way of having a working clock [16:16]
trinque aside from having been set by me, using my cesium clock, then running on battery with an RTC thereafter [16:16]
ascii_field but we don't have one. [16:16]
trinque yeah [16:16]
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ascii_field even a $1 rtc chip, the kind found on old pc mobos, would suffice [16:17]
ascii_field but we don't have even this. [16:17]
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trinque ascii_field: does not seem there's any sense in continuing on trying to do something distributed without an rtc [16:17]
ascii_field trinque: realize that without pogo, you're paying literally 10+ TIMES more per node. [16:18]
ascii_field the only solution i can presently think of is a variant of ntp over gossipd. [16:18]
ascii_field that, or external physical rtc. [16:18]
punkman solder rtc to serial interface? [16:20]
ascii_field punkman: who wants to do this? you ? [16:20]
ascii_field go, solder. [16:20]
trinque surely there's a tiny USB rtc [16:20]
* trinque is googling [16:20]
ascii_field trinque: yes. costs about what the pogo does [16:20]
trinque that's less than 10x [16:21]
ascii_field 'measely' 2x [16:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00056838 = 15.1757 BTC [+] {2} [16:25]
jurov have we fixed the peer selection? if peers are to be configured manually, they are trustworthy enough to fetch time from, no? [16:27]
trinque jurov: that was my thought. [16:28]
trinque but then I suppose that suffers from attacks against the routing involved to get to that IP [16:29]
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trinque hence gossipd [16:29]
trinque incidentally I have found tinc to be rather fucking nice for p2p networking [16:30]
jurov okay, but line must be drawn somewhere [16:30]
jurov i can't imagine what would have to be done if you expect your own pipe to be utterly hostile [16:31]
trinque I dunno any additional complexity is "cheaper" than the extra 25 bucks or w/e for the clock [16:31]
ascii_field jurov: realize that, at the moment, we do not have separate code for servicing peers you added manually vs ones dredged up from the seedlist [16:31]
ascii_field and yes, i expect the pipe to be maximally hostile [16:32]
ascii_field but more than anything, i expect that any centralized points of failure ~will~ be usgized [16:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51977 @ 0.00056989 = 29.6212 BTC [+] {5} [16:34]
trinque this tlsdate thing is hilarious [16:35]
ascii_field trinque: aha, just when i thought that nothing could be more retarded than ntp [16:35]
trinque there's a github repo out there for everything [16:36]
* trinque finds lunch [16:36]
ascii_field the time problem has to be solved [16:37]
ascii_field WITHOUT doing retarded things [16:37]
trinque so you don't like the outboard rtc? [16:37]
ascii_field no. [16:37]
punkman the parasitic timestamp fetching is not a bad idea though [16:37]
ascii_field because - again - cost [16:37]
ascii_field punkman: again, no [16:37]
ascii_field every bit as bad as ntp! [16:37]
ascii_field uses servers! [16:37]
trinque $50 does not seem prohibitive, but k [16:37]
ascii_field trinque: 50 is almost TRIPLE the cost of a pogo [16:37]
trinque was going off "double" and including pogo [16:38]
trinque but in either case [16:38]
ascii_field a solution that HALVES our fleet is ispo facto retarded! [16:38]
ascii_field picture an admiral agreeing to lose 'only half' of his fleet [16:38]
trinque sure sure [16:38]
trinque but actual cost of a vessel is not yet determined [16:38]
punkman what fleet [16:38]
trinque maybe without the rtc it's a leaky boat [16:39]
trinque but anyhow, could be retarded, sure [16:39]
* trinque will ponder the mysteries of pogotime over food matter [16:39]
ascii_field even if the thing had a battery-backed otc, there would remain the question of how to set it [16:40]
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ascii_field but it doesn't. [16:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53197 @ 0.00057204 = 30.4308 BTC [+] {3} [16:40]
ascii_field i am reaching the conclusion that: to the extent bitcoin relies on political time AT ALL, it is broken. [16:41]
ben_vulpes ascii_field:-connect means "ultimately trusted". [16:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00055261 = 6.4379 BTC [-] [16:41]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: there wouldn't be any '-connect' on pogo net [16:41]
ascii_field given that it turns your node into a boat anchor [16:41]
ascii_field (no one can connect to it) [16:42]
ascii_field it'd have to warm up with a few 'addnode's pointing to working boxes, to run at all, yes [16:42]
ascii_field but given as the protocol has no authentication, these could vomit forth literally anything [16:42]
ben_vulpes i'm beginning to suspect that booting bitcoin nodes cannot be automated in the same way that diddling one's gpg cannot be automated. [16:44]
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kakobrekla trinque: 50 is almost TRIPLE the cost of a pogo < if you dont include ssd you dont have a working node [16:44]
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ascii_field kakobrekla: ssd is often 'free' - rip out of a retired laptop [16:44]
ben_vulpes i must derp my ass down the coast now, however. [16:44]
jurov i'm eyeing 64GB SSDs for 36 euro [16:44]
punkman ben_vulpes: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-07-2015#1189265 regarding GPG-diddler automation [16:45]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 12:25:31; punkman: https://medium.com/@nweaver/extra-unofficial-xkeyscore-guide-b8513600ad24 [16:45]
jurov should last 2 years, hoepfully then there will be sth much cheaper [16:45]
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kakobrekla !up ascii_field [16:46]
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jurov i don't have anything around to rip [16:46]
kakobrekla ascii_field> kakobrekla: ssd is often 'free' - rip out of a retired laptop < maybe that is true for you and me but not the majority i dont think [16:46]
ascii_field kakobrekla: even so, it is a bog-standard consumer product and could be obtained with massive bulk discount if we were to try in earnest [16:47]
ascii_field the rest of the system - no [16:47]
kakobrekla china usb rtc in bulk 5$? [16:47]
jurov for example eeepcs had 8/19G SSDs, not suitable [16:47]
ascii_field and presently, i am failing to turn up usb rtc modules for any price on mass market [16:47]
ascii_field the ~20 usd figure came out of my arse [16:47]
ascii_field based on component cost [16:47]
ascii_field kakobrekla: if you know of one, plz link [16:48]
kakobrekla i was chicomfying your turd only [16:48]
jurov ssd business is so brisk, i doubt very much there will be significant bulk discounts [16:48]
kakobrekla i agree [16:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00057267 = 5.3545 BTC [+] [16:49]
ascii_field "errors" : "EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range
CInv::GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type
bitcoin in ProcessMessage()
"
[16:50]
jurov or $20 only fake 4G chips [16:50]
ascii_field ^ interesting [16:50]
jurov marked as 64 [16:50]
* shinohai wants to start a pogo bitnode factory, ensure domination of therealbitcoin [16:51]
ascii_field ... and the node is 2 blocks ahead of 'blockchain.info' [16:51]
ascii_field shinohai: good luck obtaining so much as ONE system-on-chip for the prototype [16:51]
ascii_field i've been trying for ~6 months and could not. [16:52]
shinohai T_T [16:52]
ascii_field it appears to be utterly impossible to obtain the key components outside of cn [16:52]
punkman ascii_field: I think that error means node is sending you command only present in later nodes [16:52]
ascii_field and tw [16:52]
ascii_field punkman: well, yes. but ~which~ [16:52]
kakobrekla bc info seems sorta down [16:52]
punkman need mega-debug-sanity patch [16:53]
ascii_field works here [16:53]
* kakobrekla fuckin hates the days when he has to worry about britneychain [16:53]
kakobrekla the chain is down, not site [16:53]
ascii_field and shows that the gavinists are busy bees, stuffing the britneychain full of liquid shit [16:53]
jurov http://www.dx.com/p/ds1302-real-time-clock-module-blue-151999#.VZrNH5R9zmE and plenty of others there [16:53]
assbot DS1302 Real Time Clock Module - Blue - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1J164vA ) [16:53]
ascii_field jurov: NOT USB !!!! [16:54]
ascii_field unless you'd like to personally solder these to all 5,000 theoretical pogos [16:54]
ascii_field for free [16:54]
jurov *shrug*. so? throw usbserial chip in? [16:54]
ascii_field 'throw' [16:55]
ascii_field want to solder ? [16:55]
* trinque waves hands [16:55]
* assbot gives voice to decimation [16:55]
ascii_field just opening that plastic box is already adding more labour cost than everything we previously considered to be involved in setup put together [16:55]
jurov surely there are monkeys around that can solver that [16:55]
jurov *solder [16:55]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189592 < this [16:55]
decimation actually happens on linux as I understand. there's a thing [16:55]
decimation called CLOCK_MONOTONIC [16:55]
decimation http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3523442/difference-between-clock-realtime-and-clock-monotonic [16:55]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:49:17; mircea_popescu: ascii_field i have nfi why unixtime "locales" are implemented so braindamagedly anyway. all machines should have the same exact integer for time. then if you wish to localize it, localize it on top of that [16:55]
assbot linux - Difference between CLOCK_REALTIME and CLOCK_MONOTONIC? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1J16jXw ) [16:55]
decimation sorry for the munged spacing :( [16:56]
ascii_field jurov: involving ~any~ monkey at all is astronomically outside of what we expected the cost to be. [16:56]
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trinque jurov: I have no slave monkeys that can solder [16:56]
ascii_field right now, our pictured supply chain looks like 'any pogo -> any ethernet jack' [16:57]
ascii_field if there is 'monkey' in between those, add many times the cost in transportation at the least. [16:57]
ascii_field dead end. [16:57]
jurov yes. and you so like to paint yourself into corner [16:57]
ascii_field jurov probably noticed that just moving one of these from america to europe doubles the cost. [16:57]
punkman "[OPEN] Reimplement pogo in chinese" [16:58]
jurov http://www.dx.com/p/usb-to-ttl-cp2102-serial-module-red-309988#.VZrOeJR9zmE maybe even no soldering is required, just wire this to rtc module [16:58]
assbot USB to TTL CP2102 Serial Module - Red - Free Shipping - DealExtreme ... ( http://bit.ly/1J16tOH ) [16:58]
decimation why not write a lightweight client that gets the time from trusted bitcoind node network? [16:58]
ascii_field decimation: because bitcoin doesn't use crypto [16:58]
ascii_field there is no such thing as a 'trusted node' [16:58]
decimation no, but latest block? [16:58]
ascii_field circular logic [16:58]
ascii_field whether a block can be 'latest' depends on local time! [16:59]
decimation not if multiple nodes are queried [16:59]
ascii_field sybils [16:59]
decimation myeah [16:59]
decimation if you actually want to keep time offline it's not gonna be cheap or easy [16:59]
jurov then you painted yourself to a corner and need tiny webserver for user to set time manually [17:00]
danielpbarron jurov mircea_popescu sent [17:00]
jurov or some such [17:00]
decimation what's wrong with usg timeservers? [17:00]
jurov danielpbarron: how many? [17:00]
ascii_field jurov: not sure if it is so much of a corner. perhaps it is possible to get a 'good enough' picture of political time via some clever means [17:00]
decimation no need to run ntp, just ask for time once [17:00]
ascii_field thing needs time every time it powers up [17:01]
danielpbarron jurov, enough "parts" to make 12 [17:01]
decimation so? [17:01]
decimation it asks for tiem when it powers up [17:01]
jurov wow, thanks [17:01]
decimation plenty of shit does that [17:01]
ascii_field plenty of shit gets owned to pieces [17:01]
jurov that's not clever enough for alf [17:01]
decimation lol so you are gonna get diddled time? [17:01]
ascii_field i fully expect it [17:01]
danielpbarron a few of the inner plastic clips got cracked in the de-shelling process but they should still click back together no problem [17:02]
ascii_field but more prosaically, ddosed servers [17:02]
decimation okay if we are taking it that level, then you really need non-network time [17:02]
decimation gps, shortwave, longwave, etc [17:02]
decimation maybe it can come with a plug-in sextant? [17:02]
ascii_field l0l gps time [17:03]
ascii_field jammed for sport as we speak [17:03]
trinque some way of signaling current time via invalid transactions? [17:03]
ascii_field by fuck knows how many folks [17:03]
decimation fine, glosnass, galileo [17:03]
ascii_field same [17:03]
ascii_field and no signature [17:03]
ascii_field i am looking forward to hearing of some answer other than soldering iron or gossipd [17:04]
ascii_field mircea_popescu awake ? [17:04]
decimation or use WWVB and/or DCF77 and whatever else [17:04]
punkman slavegirl must post signed timestamp every 10 minutes? [17:04]
ascii_field decimation: quickest way to make sure any kid can set your clock to whatever he wants [17:04]
ascii_field is to use un-rsasigned radio ! [17:05]
decimation lol [17:05]
decimation alright, apparently we need a #b-a radio clock transmitter too [17:05]
jurov and if we have rsa-signed time, usg will pwn or jam that too [17:05]
ascii_field and now we've turned bitcoin into a centralized turd [17:05]
ascii_field as jurov points out. [17:06]
decimation it was already such a turd, we are just trying to find out what to do about it [17:06]
ascii_field aha. [17:06]
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ascii_field probably the only Right Thing (tm) solution is to somehow cleanse bitcoin of its dependence on wall time entirely [17:07]
decimation if we are this paranoid about it, the only solution I can think of is to ship a separate box with an ethernet port [17:07]
trinque ascii_field: what's wrong with the idea of signaling via specially crafted txn? [17:07]
ascii_field trinque: crafted how ? [17:07]
decimation that serves time via ntp server and has a push-button input on the front panel [17:07]
ascii_field and what is the thing to do until it hears it ? [17:07]
ascii_field decimation: gonna ship a gigabit switch also? [17:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13392 @ 0.00056806 = 7.6075 BTC [-] [17:08]
decimation can be 10/100 [17:08]
ascii_field and now you've throttled the pogo to 10/100 [17:08]
ascii_field and who will produce magic box? martians? [17:08]
jurov well.. nuke the time-related checks altogether? [17:08]
trinque ascii_field: the script itself could be both properly signed and invalid right? [17:08]
trinque could you encode the time into it? [17:09]
trinque and consider certain addresses a valid source of time? [17:09]
ascii_field jurov: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189534 [17:09]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:28:33; punkman: ascii_field: see also http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html [17:09]
decimation I find the magic box unneeded when I can get rsa signed time from a variety of places via ntp [17:09]
ascii_field trinque: who will encode? what time ? [17:09]
ascii_field back to a magic public key a la gavin ? [17:09]
ascii_field decimation: the point is that these 'places' are central points of failure, and are even now controlled by the enemy [17:10]
decimation not really, nearly every non-orc (and some orc) governments and institutions have ntp [17:10]
ascii_field the point i've been trying to make is ~not~ 'let's all go eat our pistols' but that the entire fiction of political time is poisonous when applied to bitcoin [17:10]
decimation not sure about the signed part though, need to look into that [17:10]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yeh [17:11]
ascii_field decimation: there is no ability to authenticate what you get from ntp connection [17:11]
trinque ascii_field: yeah, I think that is the only possible way to avoid having a magic central something [17:11]
punkman you can't have bitcoin without human time. meat rots. [17:11]
trinque having bitcoin disregard time, which I'm sure has all kinds of implications around when you may consider a given block valid [17:11]
decimation you can sign time with rsa in ntp http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-s-config-adv.htm [17:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgToKN ) [17:12]
ascii_field decimation: who gets to sign ? [17:12]
trinque bitcoin jesus of course [17:12]
ascii_field hitler? me? mircea_popescu? [17:12]
decimation sure [17:12]
ascii_field any and all choices are terrible [17:12]
decimation if they all give the same time, they are probably not lying [17:12]
ascii_field if they all give the same time, it is probably because hitler killed the others and took their keys [17:12]
trinque is the problem reducible to "all pogos agree on the time" ? [17:12]
ascii_field trinque: within +/- 2h [17:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29346 @ 0.00055261 = 16.2169 BTC [-] [17:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189615 << eh get out. [17:13]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:54:46; ascii_field: they could still attempt to filter, but it would have to be an open declaration of war. something the gavinists are rather averse to [17:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189613 << quite exactly. [17:13]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:54:35; ben_vulpes: trivial patch to apply for anyone who's vested. [17:13]
trinque ascii_field: and then going down that route, anyone can diddle his pogo soon as it's in hand [17:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189646 < nah [17:14]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:00:13; ben_vulpes: wait, wedge is related to version number? [17:14]
ascii_field ^ see log. i determined that it is entirely on account of epoch time [17:14]
ascii_field trinque: adjusting anything whatsoever on pogo is nontrivial for a 'civilian' [17:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189680 <<< i think so [17:15]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:10:06; punkman: is this a first? [17:15]
punkman mazel tov [17:16]
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trinque so this decentralized ledger thing requires centralized time [17:17]
trinque fascinating. [17:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189717 << i have no idea why the 2nd set would even exist. [17:17]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:27:32; ascii_field: jurov: realize that, at the moment, we do not have separate code for servicing peers you added manually vs ones dredged up from the seedlist [17:17]
mircea_popescu why is pogo connecting to anything but good nodes again ? [17:17]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:17]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [17:18]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for another 30 minutes. [17:18]
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kakobrekla !up ascii_field [17:18]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: there is presently no mechanism for 'pull blocks ONLY FROM THESE' [17:18]
ascii_field there is only 'addnode' and 'connect' [17:18]
mircea_popescu myeah. [17:18]
ascii_field the latter turns the node into a kind of boat anchor while active [17:18]
ascii_field (no one can connect TO it) [17:18]
mircea_popescu well... [17:18]
ascii_field the former treats the added ip as equal in status to those dug up from dirt [17:18]
ascii_field but in ~both~ cases there is no protection from mitm [17:19]
trinque anybody ever looked at tinc as a starting place for a gossipd? [17:19]
trinque does p2p networking over RSA keys [17:19]
ascii_field author in wot ? [17:20]
decimation time is already centralized in the sense that we are all spinning on the same planet [17:20]
ascii_field and why would i want to bridge nets [17:20]
decimation the question is merely 'who do you trust to tell you the correct phase of rotation' [17:20]
punkman http://www.tinc-vpn.org/documentation-1.1/Libraries.html#Libraries uses openssl [17:21]
assbot tinc Manual: Libraries ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgUvtT ) [17:21]
ascii_field punkman: ~barf~ [17:21]
trinque kinda like that bitcoin thing [17:21]
trinque or if the set of things which exist does not contain the thing desired, there you have it. [17:22]
punkman what if you could do like tlsdate over ssh, you just dial random IPs at ssh port, get buncha timestamps [17:22]
ascii_field punkman: 'pogo' has no rng... [17:23]
mike_c block hash is rng [17:23]
ascii_field so doing anything 'randomly' will be problematic. [17:23]
ascii_field mike_c: when you have no blocks ? [17:23]
ascii_field (upon unboxing) [17:23]
mike_c i was trying to think of some way to use the block hash to determine "who" you ask for timestamps, but the list of "who" is unknowable/proveable.. ends up in the same place. [17:24]
mike_c time sucks. [17:24]
ascii_field mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem. [17:25]
ascii_field 'fried ice' [17:25]
punkman fried ice cream is a thing [17:25]
trinque ascii_field: is it +/- 2hrs or is it no more than 2hrs in the future? [17:25]
decimation if lizard hitler pwn's everyone's ntp servers, I think we all have bigger problems than block time epoch in bitcoin [17:25]
trinque you can of course accept a block from the past [17:25]
ascii_field decimation: it isn't an 'if' [17:25]
trinque why does this matter? [17:25]
ascii_field this is who owns them ~now~ [17:25]
ascii_field because right now, hitler has, essentially, a button that makes just about the whole btc network shit its pants [17:26]
trinque say I though a block from last year at your node, I don't see why it would matter that your clock is set to tomorrow [17:26]
ascii_field i would like this to ~not~ be the case [17:26]
mike_c but if they muck with ntp they'll break themselves too [17:26]
trinque vs if you are set to yesterday and I give you a block from tomorrow [17:26]
decimation ascii_field: but that would come at the cost of fucking *all clocks for all users* [17:27]
ascii_field decimation: other users might not even notice [17:27]
ascii_field if it is done briefly [17:27]
ascii_field they will get apologies and a coupon for free blowjob at community whorehouse [17:27]
mike_c markets break over the stupid leap second [17:27]
decimation converable to dollars? [17:27]
ascii_field zimbabwe dollars [17:27]
decimation essentially there isn't such a thing as p2p time [17:28]
decimation for whatever reason nobody has thought to scratch that itch [17:28]
ascii_field only in so far as proof-of-work can be used [17:28]
ascii_field is there a notion of p2p time. [17:28]
decimation right, but that requires a trusted way to ask a bitcoind "what's the timestamp of the last verified block' [17:28]
decimation in the existing network, I suspect 99% of the miners are using ntpd traceable to some usg organ [17:29]
ascii_field and the 1% - .cn [17:29]
decimation aye [17:29]
decimation who knew that we needed a #b-a astronomer [17:30]
trinque anyone clear on whether it's +/- 2hrs or what I said? [17:30]
ascii_field but we already established that miners are clinically retarded [17:30]
* trinque goes to inspect the function which does this [17:30]
decimation ascii_field: I wonder if satoshi thought that these nodes would be anonymous? [17:30]
decimation rather than the blatent centralizing points that they actually are? [17:31]
mircea_popescu he thought that everyone will run one and so it'll be too noisy to follow them. [17:31]
mircea_popescu because humanity is humanitarian and similar windows-powered bullshit. [17:31]
ascii_field ^^ [17:32]
decimation yeah, seems legit [17:32]
* decimation puts 'celesial navigation' on the library list [17:32]
ascii_field did nobody ever discuss the time thing? i have trouble believing this [17:32]
mircea_popescu markets break over the stupid leap second << no they don't. [17:32]
decimation it's come up a couple of times here, but not in the context of the 2h epoch [17:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189820 << well, and some "follow this text file with instructions for the software part". but yes. [17:35]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:53:03; ascii_field: right now, our pictured supply chain looks like 'any pogo -> any ethernet jack' [17:35]
mircea_popescu and this is mportant. [17:35]
ascii_field aha [17:35]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189839 << well done ty. [17:36]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:56:14; danielpbarron: jurov mircea_popescu sent [17:36]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189862 << you know there COULD be something here. [17:38]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:59:08; trinque: some way of signaling current time via invalid transactions? [17:38]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189541 << pretty much nada. [17:38]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 18:30:13; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski whaddaya know about this glynn-ward character? [17:38]
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mircea_popescu just as long as we put THE REAL TIME as a txn in every block, pogos can be fine [17:38]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: my objection was 'uses magic key' [17:38]
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mircea_popescu so it does. there's no way out,. [17:38]
pete_dushenski "6 July 04:00: A new fork occurred starting 5 July at 21:30 with three blocks before the valid chain again became the strongest chain." [17:38]
ascii_field there's gotta be a way out. [17:38]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski will the lulz never cease. [17:39]
ascii_field l0l!! [17:39]
pete_dushenski "Reports that the situation has passed are not correct. Please continue to wait 30 more confirmations than you usually would wait before accepting a transaction." [17:39]
trinque the message processing story in bitcoin is a shitshow [17:39]
* trinque digs further [17:39]
mircea_popescu very useful, this network that takes 5 hours to confirm txn [17:39]
pete_dushenski please to see "list of forks" https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2015-07-04-spv-mining#list-of-forks [17:39]
mircea_popescu thanks power rangers! [17:39]
assbot Some Miners Generating Invalid Blocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgWwpR ) [17:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00055396 = 4.3209 BTC [+] [17:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189880 << this isn't possible. [17:40]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 20:03:11; ascii_field: probably the only Right Thing (tm) solution is to somehow cleanse bitcoin of its dependence on wall time entirely [17:40]
pete_dushenski *megazord tips his cap* [17:40]
trinque maybe I'm an idiot, but I feel like you only get so many if statements per function.. [17:40]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: why so certain that impossible ? [17:41]
trinque "disconnect if we connected to ourself" << LOL [17:41]
mircea_popescu because bitcoin is secured by mining which happens irl and the difficulty of mining is set on the basis of irl entropy. [17:41]
trinque put your dick down, bitcoin [17:41]
mircea_popescu this is not a fully virtual system [17:41]
ascii_field why couldn't the difficulty be set based on accumulated work ? [17:42]
pete_dushenski http://dorkshelf.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads//2014/05/600-power-rangers-comic-cluckster.png << eerily relevant : "time to wipe smile off that goofy clock's face" [17:42]
mircea_popescu nope [17:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgWM8k ) [17:42]
ascii_field (yes, it would end up climbing monotonically...) [17:42]
mircea_popescu it wouldn't make any further sense. [17:42]
ascii_field the reward could still follow the same asymptotic [17:43]
ascii_field assuming that nuclear war doesn't send us back to cpu mining [17:43]
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ascii_field 'Note that the roughly 50% of the network that was SPV mining...' << can haz network without 50% hash power belonging to diagnosable retarded folks plz ??!! [17:45]
decimation does SPV mining really give you that much 'edge'? It seems dubious to me [17:45]
ascii_field as (i think it was) mircea_popescu pointed out, it looks like the miners have not been sufficiently darwined yet [17:46]
jurov estimated time to fully verify a block is 20 seconds [17:46]
ascii_field and need a couplea catastrophic megadeaths [17:46]
jurov ;;calc 20/600 [17:46]
gribble 0.0333333333333 [17:46]
ascii_field to help their collective iq move into the double digits at least [17:46]
jurov 3% advantage [17:46]
pete_dushenski huge. [17:47]
ascii_field jurov: let me guess, nobody's written a multicore verifier ? [17:47]
trinque ascii_field: http://deedbot.org/stator-lcov/bitcoin/bitcoin/src/main.cpp.gcov.html << line #1265 appears to check for being in the future, not past [17:47]
jurov even if multicore, there's still i/o [17:47]
trinque so why can't my node's time just be far-future? [17:47]
ascii_field jurov: on my measurements, it's almost entirely cpu-bound [17:47]
trinque is this a worthwhile experiment? [17:47]
ascii_field trinque: because then you can be attacked in various ways [17:48]
decimation I wonder if someone could make money by 'brokering' txns on behalf of miners [17:48]
trinque ascii_field: making me eat lots of invalid blocks? [17:48]
ascii_field http://culubas.blogspot.gr/2011/05/timejacking-bitcoin_802.html ( linked earlier ) [17:48]
assbot culubas: Timejacking & Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ezxqkc ) [17:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22280 @ 0.00053981 = 12.027 BTC [-] {2} [17:48]
trinque !up ascii_field [17:48]
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ascii_field incidentally, does anyone else suspect that cn miners, on account of their microscopic profit margins, are ripe for usgization ? [17:49]
ascii_field 'you can make engineer's wages doing what you're doing. or you can do exactly same thing, but use spv and give us root, and your swiss account will grow by 100k/mo.' [17:50]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-07-2015#1187499 << see also [17:50]
assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 22:28:31; mircea_popescu: anyway, the main sufferance in my head atm is that reading the chinese stuff (in translation) clarifies in my head an objection that may well be a second major flaw to the protocol, after the "relay nodes gotta do it for the glory" : its altogether unclear a purely financial incentive is the correct solution for miners. [17:50]
mircea_popescu of course they are. [17:52]
ascii_field these folks' time horizon is perhaps... 2 weeks long ? [17:54]
ascii_field i suppose all the 'proper confucians' with millenium-long time cocks are employed as colonels in pla or whatnot [17:54]
ascii_field and not mining [17:54]
ascii_field seems like collectively chinese see bitcoin the same way they saw crimea [17:55]
ascii_field a place to farm to death, to the bedrock [17:55]
ascii_field and leave [17:55]
ascii_field like locusts [17:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00052881 = 18.2968 BTC [-] [17:55]
pete_dushenski "ONE MILLION new lines of code hit Linux Kernel 4.2 rc1" [17:57]
ascii_field go read, l0l [17:57]
pete_dushenski "Most of those new lines of code come from “the new amd gpu register description header”, code that Torvalds says comprises “41 per cent of the entire patch” and has created a “... somewhat odd situation where a single driver is about half of the whole rc1 in number of lines.”" [17:57]
ascii_field (probably mostly mods) [17:57]
mircea_popescu ascii_field in fairness that's how they saw china too [17:58]
ascii_field aha [17:58]
mircea_popescu which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis [17:58]
ascii_field who hasn't seen the rivers (literally) of toxic sludge [17:58]
ascii_field the 'gutter oil' restaurants, etc [17:59]
punkman https://www.bitpremier.com/5-real-estate/1570-luxury-villa-greece-kalamata-4025-sqm [18:01]
assbot BitPremier — Luxury Villa, Kalamata, Greece ... ( http://bit.ly/1RgYNS6 ) [18:01]
punkman I don't even want to know how much tax the owner is paying on that [18:03]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field gotta be a lot of magic numbers [18:07]
thestringpuller d00d. why do I have to wait 30 confirmations?!? [18:13]
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punkman "We all got access to C. Pozzi's GPG key! https://paste.debian.net/279527/  #hackedteam" [18:15]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rh0teo ) [18:15]
thestringpuller ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node? [18:15]
scoopbot_revived Greek Finance Minister Varoufakis Resigns in Failure http://qntra.net/2015/07/greek-finance-minister-varoufakis-resigns-in-failure/ [18:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45981 @ 0.00051916 = 23.8715 BTC [-] [18:19]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [18:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3852 @ 0.00051916 = 1.9998 BTC [-] [18:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14428 @ 0.00051911 = 7.4897 BTC [-] [18:23]
punkman pete_dushenski: "in which Greek citizens refused to accept austerity measures" in case it wasn't clear, the referendum question was "do you like this deal? answer yes or no". and the next deal won't be much different either. [18:26]
pete_dushenski i imagine you're right [18:26]
pete_dushenski all that 'dignity' and yet no bread on the table [18:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00051916 = 8.6181 BTC [+] [18:35]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo seems that the "yanis gaming industry" link was added twice in the same (3rd) paragraph [18:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59917 @ 0.00051916 = 31.1065 BTC [+] {2} [18:44]
BingoBoingo Ah [18:46]
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BingoBoingo it works [18:46]
punkman 6th or 7th finance minister in 5 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid_Tsakalotos [18:49]
assbot Euclid Tsakalotos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JQwmnf ) [18:49]
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punkman ;;ticker [18:50]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 274.96, Best ask: 274.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 274.98, 24 hour volume: 56638.18757788, 24 hour low: 267.33, 24 hour high: 278.69, 24 hour vwap: None [18:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7120 @ 0.00052881 = 3.7651 BTC [+] [18:50]
punkman ;;ba,bull [18:50]
gribble Error: "ba,bull" is not a valid command. [18:50]
punkman ;;bc,bull [18:50]
gribble Next Price Estimate: 302.489 | Next Price In About 2 days, 21 hours, 36 minutes, and 24 seconds [18:50]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,bear [18:52]
gribble Next Price Estimate: 219.968 | Next Price In About 3 days, 0 hours, 20 minutes, and 24 seconds | It's tanking! [18:52]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [18:55]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190105 << plz see today's log [18:55]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 21:11:18; thestringpuller: ascii_field: did you get past the wedge yet in 0.5.3.x? or do you still not have access to a node? [18:55]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1190103 << already censored [18:55]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 21:11:03; punkman: "We all got access to C. Pozzi's GPG key! https://paste.debian.net/279527/  #hackedteam" [18:56]
ascii_field speaking of which, i've often thought of adding an 'i know a private key!' box to phuctor [18:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00053521 = 4.8169 BTC [+] [18:57]
punkman ascii_field: maybe better place for that in new keyserver? [18:58]
pete_dushenski ;;nethash [18:59]
gribble 396177655.034 [18:59]
pete_dushenski c'mon 400 ! [18:59]
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BingoBoingo stator up to 248926 [19:07]
mod6 333k+ [19:09]
ascii_field punkman: keyserver is presumably for use as a keyserver, rather than place to hang the severed heads of pwned folks ? [19:09]
ascii_field incidentally, for anyone who missed, the public node is working and synced [19:11]
ascii_field and go, connect to it. [19:11]
ascii_field 195.211.154.159 [19:11]
ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu please consider posting your blkxxxx which encompass the two most recent forks [19:14]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:14]
ascii_field i would like to compare it with mine. [19:14]
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BingoBoingo Ah, public node has maxversion [19:17]
shinohai I am *so close* to 350k [19:17]
TomServo Ahoy all, just wanted to pass long: my 0.5.3 node is humming along, currently reporting blockheight 364171. [19:22]
TomServo If that's of any significance. [19:22]
BingoBoingo cool [19:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5118 @ 0.00053983 = 2.7628 BTC [+] [19:33]
shinohai https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1111974.msg0;boardseen#new [19:35]
assbot HOT! Domain BTC .CO.DE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5bYeL ) [19:35]
shinohai ^ 10 BTC is steep for a domain name, but I like it [19:35]
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kakobrekla here i replied https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1111974.msg11808524#msg11808524 [19:38]
assbot HOT! Domain BTC .CO.DE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk5WAt ) [19:38]
pete_dushenski "CoinbaseAdrian 30 points an hour ago* : Sorry guys, we're looking into this. It appears to be an issue with our network provider (Cloudflare). We have an urgent ticket open with them and I'll update here with any details." << response to coinbase being offline [19:38]
danielpbarron ;;later tell asciilifeform I get a segmentation fault http://danielpbarron.com/blkcut.txt [19:40]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk6aHJ ) [19:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12608 @ 0.00051911 = 6.5449 BTC [-] {2} [19:48]
pete_dushenski http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3cbuq1/im_the_author_of_the_bitcoin_revolution_an/ << oh travis tequilahead, how the mighty "thought leader" has fallen. you've stumbled from writing on your own blog to hacking up scamdesk, and now all the way down to the very bottom of the barrel with reddit. all in the course of, what, 2 weeks ? [19:52]
assbot I'm the author of The Bitcoin Revolution: An Internet of Money and founder of Diginomics, Ask Me Anything! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5e12x ) [19:52]
pete_dushenski "SuperSecretTech: How many bitcoin do you own?" TravisPatron: Not as many as I would like." [19:54]
pete_dushenski and so it will always be, travis. so it will always be. [19:54]
pete_dushenski looking forward to seeing tequilahead becoming the 8th greek finance minister in 5 years. [19:55]
pete_dushenski they deserve each other. [19:55]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189808 << can attest to this having opened 12 in a row today, although it goes sorta smoothly once you get the hang of it [19:55]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 19:51:35; ascii_field: just opening that plastic box is already adding more labour cost than everything we previously considered to be involved in setup put together [19:55]
TomServo pete_dushenski: Didja find a way to boot OpenBSD on the edgerouter from USB or are you using the nfs boot option? [19:56]
pete_dushenski TomServo i found another computer with a serial port that actually talked to the serial cable i have. the usb adapter i bought was b0rked. [19:57]
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pete_dushenski using just rj45 to db9 [19:58]
TomServo But last I read booting OpenBSD required booting over the network, rather than install on the USB drive due to lack of a USB driver [20:00]
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pete_dushenski first you unplug the usb drive from inside the edgerouter, plug it into your computer, install openbsd on it, unpack it, reinstall the drive in the edgerouter, establish a serial connection, and start talking. [20:05]
pete_dushenski !up aabtc [20:05]
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trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/06/us-boston-bombings-trial-idUSKCN0PG26R20150706 << "death to america" y'know... unless you wanna appeal your death sentence [20:05]
assbot Boston Marathon bomber files motion seeking new trial [20:05]
trinque fuck that kid. [20:05]
TomServo pete_dushenski: Ah cool, I'll give it a go. Thanks. [20:08]
pete_dushenski np! [20:08]
* pete_dushenski is pleased that his amateurishness is of use to anyone ever. [20:09]
pete_dushenski or i should say, my tragedishness [20:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00052669 = 7.9004 BTC [+] [20:09]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Win response http://www.financemagnates.com/cryptocurrency/trading/uks-fca-issues-warning-against-bitcoin-brokers-bit4x-and-venetfx/ [20:13]
assbot UK’s FCA Issues Warning Against Bitcoin Brokers Bit4X and VenetFX | Finance Magnates ... ( http://bit.ly/1H5gnhI ) [20:13]
kakobrekla thats superold [20:15]
kakobrekla but yeah, wouldnt it? [20:15]
pete_dushenski you'd think so. [20:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00052008 = 10.6356 BTC [-] [20:18]
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danielpbarron !up slikers [20:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00052669 = 18.2761 BTC [+] [20:27]
danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188147 << now that you mention it, it occurs to me that my 0.7.2 node had been fully synched (until the recent wedge) running on a single 5400 rpm drive and 8 gigs of ram [20:27]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 11:33:19; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185700 << in my experience, you can use spinning rust if you throw in 8GB RAM [20:27]
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danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188174 << it's a +1 ! those usually come with "details" like "fresh blood" [20:30]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 12:18:42; mats: too light on actual details imo [20:30]
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decimation pete_dushenski: I thought that openbsd didn't support the usb storage driver for edgerouter [20:35]
decimation if you are saying otherwise than that is good [20:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25884 @ 0.00052669 = 13.6328 BTC [+] [20:36]
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