Forum logs for 06 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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decimation in the us, if someone has your name, address, and ssn they can apply for 'credit' on your behalf [00:01]
asciilifeform and, depending on your credit rating, buy a 'boeing' with no questions asked. [00:01]
decimation similarly, they can present themselves to the local doctor as you and send you medical bills [00:01]
asciilifeform usg sees this as a civil service! [00:01]
asciilifeform i.e. if you refuse to sell yourself into debt slavery, someone is to do it for you. [00:02]
decimation somehow this is not the problem, it's the fact that derps can't keep the ssn 'secret' is the problem [00:02]
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asciilifeform a... 24 bit? secret [00:02]
asciilifeform big fat secret. [00:02]
decimation asciilifeform: just as secret as your credit card number [00:02]
decimation and checking account number [00:02]
asciilifeform which is known to ten thousand waiters. [00:03]
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asciilifeform checking << known to everyone you ever write a cheque to... [00:03]
decimation asciilifeform: the inevitable conclusion is that the banks/usg do not mind criminals making money off the fucktarded system [00:04]
asciilifeform the biggest criminal, usg, makes most of it. [00:05]
decimation it is certainly one way that wealth is is transferred to the 'deserving' - robin hood style [00:05]
mircea_popescu well, you may not believe this or like this, but... my banking depends on my gpg signature o.O [00:06]
* asciilifeform once worked with a nearly-penniless foreign postdoc whose departure from usa was hastened by some bureaucrat (who handled his papers) deciding to... buy a house in his name [00:06]
asciilifeform we all want to use mircea_popescu's bank of mars. [00:06]
mircea_popescu crazy huh. [00:07]
asciilifeform they caught the woman, eventually, and there was some penalty (a light one, iirc) but it did not send the creditors back to the holes they crawled out of [00:07]
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asciilifeform and, having the option to be rid of this mess, he took it [00:07]
decimation asciilifeform: right, the banks don't give a shit because 1.) they generally don't get stuck with the bill and 2.) when they do, usg prints them up some bezzlars [00:07]
asciilifeform they also get best of both worlds if the victim is retarded, and saddles himself with the debt [00:08]
asciilifeform in any number of ways [00:08]
asciilifeform (in most u.s. states, paying even a penny - glues it to you permanently) [00:08]
mircea_popescu nah, only for five years iirc. [00:09]
decimation the whole system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy [00:09]
asciilifeform ianal. [00:09]
mircea_popescu course if you "continue contact" it resets [00:09]
asciilifeform system tends to inject bezzlars randomly throughout the 'real' economy << at this point, this is not unlike worrying about the health effects of the embalming solution undertakers inject into their 'patients' [00:11]
decimation 'begging for gpg via media' http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke [00:11]
assbot The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEC1s6 ) [00:11]
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asciilifeform decimation: looks like that fella wins 'beggar of the year' ? [00:12]
decimation asciilifeform: look in the corner of his computer room - looks like a radio transmitter above his o-scope [00:12]
asciilifeform a number of common household tools in the photo [00:12]
mircea_popescu "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide." [00:13]
mircea_popescu ahem. 9 digits are going to be sufficient for 300mn people ? [00:13]
asciilifeform a cheapo soldering station, etc. [00:13]
asciilifeform 'model m', with the inevitable pen clutter [00:13]
decimation mircea_popescu: it's a lulzy recycling program - in the past, us ssn's were assigned by geographical region [00:13]
asciilifeform afaik they still are ? [00:14]
decimation no that's the point of that 'randomization' program I think [00:14]
asciilifeform pointless distraction. [00:15]
asciilifeform the fiat world's refusal to use modern crypto exclusively is not a mistake, not an accident, not sloth [00:18]
decimation http://www.ssa.gov/employer/randomization.html << all you wanted to know [00:18]
assbot Social Security Number Randomization ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEE2Va ) [00:18]
asciilifeform it is a deliberate and planned act [00:18]
asciilifeform just like the failure-to-mention-mpex discussed in mircea_popescu's article [00:18]
decimation asciilifeform: the reason given against crypto is that the masses would reject a 'universal id' card [00:19]
asciilifeform forget universal anything-card [00:19]
decimation but I don't see why the government should have anything to do with verifying identity anyway [00:19]
asciilifeform just the notion that 'you are a key' [00:19]
asciilifeform not even necessarily one key [00:19]
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decimation why can't I go to the local costco and broker credit through them? [00:20]
asciilifeform but the notion that commercial identity can exist outside of a key - is a work of the beast. [00:20]
decimation asciilifeform: aye that's true [00:21]
decimation but you see in the usa, it is unthinkable that usg wouldn't issue keys [00:21]
asciilifeform naturally. [00:21]
asciilifeform it would be unthinkable for anyone other than usg to wipe arses, if this were practical. [00:22]
asciilifeform (for n00bs: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 << describes, among other things, the curious fact that within usg, only specially trained gnomes are permitted the privilege of generating keys, for use by all ranks from private to president) [00:25]
assbot Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEFVkM ) [00:25]
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decimation or similarly, it is unthinkable that a non-usg-approved-bank would issue credit or bank [00:25]
asciilifeform that was conclusively suppressed after u.s. civil war, iirc. [00:26]
thestringpuller the keymaker isn't entirely bad concept [00:26]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: for whom ? [00:27]
decimation ah, yes, the author of gpg is a ham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dd9jn [00:27]
assbot User:Dd9jn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEGomQ ) [00:27]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: for keymaker - a smashingly great concept. [00:27]
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thestringpuller have you not seen the matrix? [00:27]
thestringpuller why would you not one smith who can make any key for any vessel? [00:27]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: you go and fuck your wife, but you mustn't slip it in directly - gotta put it in this little gnome fella first [00:27]
asciilifeform and he sticks his in the wife [00:27]
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asciilifeform any other way - treasonous. [00:28]
thestringpuller from this standpoint yes [00:28]
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thestringpuller but concept of keymaker "program" entity/individual who is skeleton key maker [00:28]
mod6 lol pillow pants [00:28]
thestringpuller is extremely valuable [00:28]
thestringpuller unlock all the things [00:29]
thestringpuller mod6: has been watching too many mc hammer videos [00:29]
asciilifeform ;;ud pillow pants [00:29]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pillow+pants | pillow pants. Pussy Troll. The parents place it in their daughter pussy. If a penis trys entering the pussy before the age of 21 then the Pussy Troll will bite it off. [00:29]
thestringpuller TIL [00:31]
mircea_popescu ... [00:31]
mircea_popescu so basically, by pulling a ssn out of my arse i have just about 1:2 odds of hitting someone [00:32]
asciilifeform aha. [00:32]
mircea_popescu and what's better, since they are re=used, you needn't only worry about your own indiscretions, but those of people long dead [00:32]
mircea_popescu this sounds a lot like getting used skin to live in. [00:32]
asciilifeform and for all of fiddybucks, a name, mailing addr., work history, political party, to go with it. [00:32]
asciilifeform generally the credit agencies are somewhat better at tracking deaths than, e.g., the voter rolls [00:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think this is the best proof possible that current usg does not expect to survive more than a few years into the future anyway. [00:33]
asciilifeform see above [00:33]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: this is probably how CIA makes assets these days [00:33]
thestringpuller or at least cover [00:33]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: it is a traditional algorithm for crafting fake people for official uses [00:34]
asciilifeform not even a secret of any kind [00:34]
asciilifeform (openly discussed in agency-authorized historical texts) [00:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: usg does not care (or even encourages, see earlier 'house-buying' postdoc story) about a plebe impersonating another plebe. [00:35]
asciilifeform when some hobo successfully impersonates obama, or buffett - then. [00:36]
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mod6 thestringpuller: http://youtu.be/-YaX2jLc_ko [00:36]
assbot Clerks 2- pillowpants - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmmcqA ) [00:36]
mircea_popescu i doubt it's aware enough for something like this. [00:36]
thestringpuller good 'ol kevin smith [00:36]
asciilifeform who wants to be the first to buy a certified pre-owned (tm) ru nuke sub as mr buffett ? [00:37]
decimation http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/23/us-usa-intelligence-mobile-idUSTRE78M5BI20110923 [00:37]
assbot Not so simple: U.S. spy agency trying to go mobile [00:37]
decimation "Generals and others have been known to become so frustrated with the existing devices that they switch to personal cellphones to conduct classified conversations, according to a former U.S. official." [00:37]
decimation apparently nobody in usg gives a shit [00:38]
asciilifeform the 'obamaphone' (not the one handed out to paupers, the other obamaphone) is well-known at this point [00:38]
decimation http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE6BF6BZ20101216 < ""There's no such thing as 'secure' any more," Debora Plunkett of the National Security Agency said on Thursday amid U.S. anger and embarrassment over disclosure of sensitive diplomatic cables by the web site WikiLeaks." [00:40]
assbot U.S. code-cracking agency works as if compromised [00:40]
mircea_popescu decimation they probably manifest that list of qualities which made "state' such a damning adjective in romanian. [00:40]
mircea_popescu to get an idea, picture blackberry today. in romanian it'd be "state ipad" [00:41]
asciilifeform decimation: that article has the beginnings of a glorious 'onion piece' [00:41]
mircea_popescu iirc in russian similarly., [00:41]
asciilifeform 'of course we must assume that the adversary owns the network. this is why nukes must be expected to fly anywhere at all, .... ...' [00:41]
asciilifeform 'state ipad', but one nitpick, this presumes that somewhere there lives a 'normal' one. [00:42]
mircea_popescu no. just a... sexy one. [00:42]
asciilifeform http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/05/why-we-should-care-about-domestic-drones-and-how-to-bring-them-down << loltronic [00:43]
mircea_popescu people's disenchantment with their own wives isn't predicated on the theory that somewhere there's a sane woman waiting. [00:43]
assbot Why we should worry about domestic drones and how to bring them down ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmnB0l ) [00:43]
mircea_popescu merely, younger, nakeder, eager-er. [00:43]
asciilifeform ^ recall mircea_popescu's 'nobody could have foreseen' article [00:43]
decimation asciilifeform: yes it's actually an extraordinary admission of usg's capitulation [00:43]
decimation "making things secure is hard, let's just give up" [00:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform heh reuters has a yearlong delay off trilema huh. [00:44]
asciilifeform decimation: psyops to make plebes give up sooner. [00:44]
decimation eh, I'm not so sure. the implication of that would be that usg is extraordinarily competent [00:44]
asciilifeform [insert 'meta-nsa' thread here] [00:45]
decimation aye [00:46]
asciilifeform 'A Homeland Security sensor deployed to spot — but not interfere with — drones flying above the Major League Baseball All-Star Game in Minneapolis last July “cost several hundred thousand dollars to operate for just that night,” reported the New York Times.' [00:46]
* asciilifeform falls down from lulz [00:46]
asciilifeform 'The Secret Service uses covert radio-frequency jammers inside a Chevrolet Suburban that travels with the president’s motorcade. These devices disable remotely triggered improvised bombs. But because they have to disable explosives set off by a potentially large number of frequencies, the jammers saturate a wide spectrum, occasionally interfering with cellphones nearby.' << this deserves an aside [00:47]
asciilifeform the particular apparatus involved is discussed in reasonably clear terms in textbooks [00:47]
asciilifeform e.g., r. poisel's 'communications electronic warfare systems' [00:48]
asciilifeform ^ not a bad place to start [00:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ 'g3n3r1c j4mm3rz!' [00:48]
mircea_popescu um... wouldn't you just set the bomb to go off when the jammer goes by ? [00:48]
mircea_popescu what are these people, idiots ? [00:49]
asciilifeform what's actually inside? unsurprisingly, a catalogue of frequencies used by cellular, wireless housephones, toy cars, teledildoes... [00:49]
asciilifeform wouldn't you set off << a) no, because, e.g., toy car or phone has a discriminator - required bitstring (a la 'MAC address') that must match [00:50]
asciilifeform to avoid interference from neighbours' teledildoes [00:50]
decimation asciilifeform: re: wasting money on 'security' < http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/10/01/white-house-security/ [00:50]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1DELVdh ) [00:50]
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asciilifeform b) if set off, because receiver was built from shoebox, string and dead squirrel - this is meant to happen -before- the truck reaches the mine [00:50]
decimation not if the bomb is sufficiently large [00:51]
asciilifeform decimation: see also 'wasp'. [00:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but you make your own reception. [00:51]
mircea_popescu set it to go off whenever a large collection of radiodildoes, phones and toy cars goes over it [00:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: americans themselves have a specially custom rocket that does only this. [00:51]
mircea_popescu right. [00:51]
asciilifeform and likewise most nations [00:51]
* decimation does not condone violence against any living thing [00:51]
* asciilifeform condones violence against chickens [00:52]
* asciilifeform and potatoes [00:52]
mircea_popescu i condone all violence that doesn't sit around waiting for my condonement. [00:53]
mircea_popescu wtf bs violence is this. [00:53]
decimation like your software license? [00:53]
mircea_popescu i guess so, huh. [00:54]
asciilifeform unlicense! [00:54]
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mircea_popescu 'I don't want to join the bloody Army, I don't want to go unto the war; I want no more to roam, I'd rather stay at home, Living on the earnings of a whore.' [00:55]
asciilifeform https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-chinese-military-blasted-a-private-drone-with-a-shotgun-5789a7483014 [00:55]
assbot The Chinese Military Blasted a Private Drone With a Shotgun — War Is Boring — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmpIBo ) [00:55]
asciilifeform ^ related [00:55]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/canadian-mans-letter-to-court-accept-bitcoin-as-the-one-and-only-global-currency/ [00:59]
asciilifeform re: jammers: [01:00]
asciilifeform terrain tracking navigator is not such a hard problem. [01:00]
asciilifeform jam that. [01:00]
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mircea_popescu duffel ? [01:01]
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decimation re: ibm < of course the 100,000 person layoff comes after paying $1.3 bn to not make chips anymore http://www.extremetech.com/computing/192430-ibm-dumps-chip-unit-pays-globalfoundries-1-5-billion-to-take-the-business-off-its-hands [01:03]
assbot IBM sells chip business to GlobalFoundries for $1.5 billion (updated) | ExtremeTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmqNJt ) [01:03]
decimation which is of course its only possible route to relevance [01:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3234 @ 0.00096158 = 3.1097 BTC [-] {8} [01:04]
asciilifeform !s ibm real estate [01:06]
assbot 2 results for 'ibm real estate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ibm+real+estate [01:06]
asciilifeform how the mighty have fallen! and to think, ibm was once the sole source of jew list tabulators to nazis [01:06]
decimation asciilifeform: apparently real estate deals and indian shit-code are its core business now [01:07]
decimation kind like hp's core business is printer ink [01:07]
asciilifeform or texas instruments and the remaining pocket calculators [01:07]
decimation at least ti still makes chips [01:08]
asciilifeform 'makes' [01:08]
asciilifeform in asia. [01:08]
decimation well, yeah [01:08]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform no but it makes them because "it controls the ip" or how did that line go/ [01:09]
mircea_popescu nobody else could make ti pocket calculators for lack of ti chip documentation. leaving alone why anyone would want to, after ti paid for tha someone to build their plants. [01:10]
asciilifeform 1.5b for ibm's chip div. << state of maryland could have bought one and a half of these for the cost of road 200 (a recently built, money-losing toll road i frequent.) [01:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: surprisingly, the calculators use very well-understood, ancient components [01:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on account of the designs dating back to the mid '80s [01:11]
asciilifeform as i understand, they've introduced a few devices where this 'problem' is 'fixed' [01:11]
asciilifeform (an 'arm' cpu, fat ram, and... an emulator of the 1980s calcs) [01:11]
mircea_popescu myeah. obviously point meant as a general - and thus indefensible - jab > [01:11]
mircea_popescu >D [01:11]
asciilifeform l0l [01:12]
asciilifeform http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2013-07-26_Overclocking_the_TI-83+_Graphing_Calculator/overview.jpg << not mine. but did this for a few classmates as a schoolboy [01:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmst5B ) [01:12]
asciilifeform ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school [01:13]
BingoBoingo ^ these were mandatory (!? i know) in the school << TI's survival is hinged to the "education standards" bezzel [01:13]
decimation asciilifeform: re: road 200 << I actually drove on this road a few times. it was pointlessly empty, as well as having a low speed limit (55 mph) [01:13]
decimation it was built as a favor to one of the wash dc land barons [01:14]
asciilifeform aha [01:14]
asciilifeform empty on account of outlandish tolls [01:14]
asciilifeform interestingly, speed limit could easily be enforced by the (photo-operated) toll machines - but isn't [01:14]
asciilifeform instead, there are 6 (?) policecars, in special '200' livery, at all times. [01:15]
decimation http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/maryland-politics/post/agreement-allows-konterra-project-to-move-forward/2011/04/19/AF4neD7D_blog.html "The pact includes construction of a planned I-95 interchange with Contee Road near Maryland Route 198, and extension of Virginia Manor Road for access to the proposed 2,200-acre mixed-use development." [01:15]
assbot Agreement allows Konterra project to move forward - Maryland Politics - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1DERLLF ) [01:15]
asciilifeform spot checks, so nobody actually drives the limit [01:15]
decimation asciilifeform: it is my understanding that the toll machines are 'banned' from enforcing speed limit [01:16]
asciilifeform i bet mircea_popescu knows what the pupils -actually- did with those calculators. [01:16]
asciilifeform http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/t1_drug_wars2.jpg [01:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DES6y7 ) [01:17]
decimation heh I used to play that game on bbs's [01:17]
asciilifeform decimation: same dynamics as the management of hunting in game preserves. [01:17]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: you had a ti92. what was https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/vYjLMFABxoRvDQUr.huge ? [01:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtH0T ) [01:19]
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decimation http://ww2.gazette.net/stories/04212011/busiplo163111_32533.php < " O'Malley thanked the Konterra developers, Kingdon Gould Jr. and his son Caleb Gould, for cooperating to allow the state to move forward with the ICC plan without the costs of going to court to acquire the land." [01:20]
assbot ICC pieces fall into place for Konterra ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmtPgR ) [01:20]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No, I had the TI-89, mostly the same except for form factor. I have no idea what that important looking rectangle is. [01:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: from five minute's dig, seems like it was a rom. [01:21]
mircea_popescu "And yet somehow the ruling class decayed, lost its ability, its daring, finally even its ruthlessness, until a time came when stuffed shirts like Eden or Halifax could stand out as men of exceptional talent. As for Baldwin, one could not even dignify him with the name of stuffed shirt. He was simply a hole in the air. " [01:21]
mircea_popescu dude... this puts mpoe-pr to shame [01:21]
mircea_popescu "simply a hole in the air" !? [01:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: toldya he was worth digging into [01:22]
mircea_popescu !up rodgort [01:22]
-assbot- You voiced rodgort for 30 minutes. [01:22]
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[]bot Bet created: "American Sniper wins Oscar for Best Picture" http://bitbet.us/bet/1117/ [01:22]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: 89 was same "civillian" form factor as 83, On the 92 user accessible rom like that could be a thing. [01:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i had several. see log [01:23]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: the original 'blue arrow keys' was best. [01:23]
BingoBoingo That it was. I wasn't a fan of the aesthetics of the redesign [01:24]
asciilifeform not just that [01:24]
asciilifeform the later grey blob, with the usb jack, also had... a boot time. [01:25]
asciilifeform (a second or so, but it much grated on the nerves) [01:25]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://tiplanet.org/forum/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=253&image_id=3667 << the 'plus module' from earlier. updated rom + eeprom (original -92 lacked eeprom) [01:28]
assbot TI-Planet | Voir l'image - Module TI-92 Plus ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvdQD ) [01:28]
cazalla ah damn that was good ghetto bouillabaisse [01:29]
asciilifeform http://www.cemetech.net/img/misc/collection2013a.jpg [01:29]
asciilifeform ^ all of them, i think [01:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmvine ) [01:29]
BingoBoingo That is a collection [01:29]
BingoBoingo The 86 was a good looking computer [01:31]
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asciilifeform http://goughlui.com/2015/01/29/review-teardown-apotop-wi-copy-dw21-5200mah-power-bank << this wants to be a node [01:34]
assbot Review, Teardown: Apotop Wi-Copy (DW21) 5200mAh Power Bank | Gough's Tech Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEWzkd ) [01:34]
asciilifeform but, unless i missed something, no info anywhere re: ram on the board. [01:35]
asciilifeform if anyone has one of these, please pop the cover and take a photo. [01:35]
asciilifeform of the side not shown, that is [01:36]
asciilifeform i like that the 802.11 card - comes off. [01:37]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: has the best toys [01:38]
asciilifeform ^ not mine [01:38]
asciilifeform all i have is this picture. [01:38]
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decimation asciilifeform: I like the 5.2 amp hour battery [01:43]
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asciilifeform peculiarly high price tag, but perhaps will fall to somewhere close to zero as they sit on the shelves. [01:45]
decimation what's the point of the battery? [01:46]
decimation backup for power failure? [01:46]
asciilifeform these are, i think, meant to be used with iPnohe [01:46]
asciilifeform which does not allow expansion of storage in the customary way [01:46]
asciilifeform (no slots) [01:46]
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asciilifeform but luser gets to stuff sd card or usb drive into this gizmo, which serves up contents over http [01:47]
decimation lol that's silly [01:47]
asciilifeform silly or not, apparently there are at least half a dozen makers of just this. [01:47]
decimation but it would be useful for powering all kinds of interesting widgets [01:48]
asciilifeform i looked at several when hunting for node hardware [01:48]
asciilifeform none had any more than 32m of ram [01:48]
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decimation asciilifeform: do you know what cpu it has? some arm variant? [01:51]
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asciilifeform decimation: interestingly! [01:54]
decimation ah RTL8196D [01:55]
asciilifeform aha. [01:55]
decimation mips64? [01:55]
asciilifeform for some reason sitting on the wireless daughterboard. [01:55]
asciilifeform 32, iirc [01:57]
decimation well the main cpu runs some kind of arm probably because it appears to run android [01:59]
asciilifeform there is a mips-android... [01:59]
asciilifeform (even x86, iirc.) [01:59]
decimation ah no the android software is running on a phone connected to the device, sorry for the confusion [02:00]
decimation huh I didn't realize google supported non-arm chips [02:01]
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decimation actually that little device (wi-copy) would be a good buy just to harvest the parts [02:02]
asciilifeform not at the sticker price. [02:02]
decimation nah, but less than say $20-30 [02:03]
asciilifeform https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Wired_embedded_system [02:04]
assbot Browse data: Wired embedded system - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZlpcs ) [02:04]
asciilifeform ^ mega-list [02:04]
decimation ah that is handy [02:06]
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decimation asciilifeform: http://bit.ly/1zVgaPU [02:16]
assbot HP Support document - HP Support Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZnc1h ) [02:17]
decimation hp t5325 'thin client' < 512 mb ram, marvell 88F6281 [02:17]
decimation $36 on amazon [02:17]
decimation looks to be 'old stock' though [02:18]
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asciilifeform decimation: just about all of the listed machines are 'old stock' [02:27]
asciilifeform quite useless, unless one of us were to come across a gigantic crate of these somewhere. [02:28]
decimation http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-32-HP-ThinPro-Thin-Client-T5325-1-2GHz-512MB-RAM-Flash-Factory-Reset-/331451731260?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2c100d3c [02:28]
assbot Lot of 32 HP Thinpro Thin Client T5325 1 2GHz 512MB RAM Flash Factory Reset | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZoDg1 ) [02:28]
asciilifeform golden toilet. [02:29]
decimation $900 is a bit steep though [02:29]
decimation might be worth $300-400 at most [02:29]
decimation the whole 'thin client' idea is hilarious stupidity [02:30]
decimation 'we take away ur computerz so u can be productive' [02:30]
asciilifeform it came solely from folks writhing under the leather straps of microshit [02:31]
decimation aye. and for the secretary using 'word' it would be fine, more-or-less [02:31]
asciilifeform tired of spending money/labour on disinfecting 10,000 boxes presided over by tetris-playing accountants, or retail clerks [02:31]
decimation for retail clerks: why not serial terminals? what does the mouse gui add? [02:32]
asciilifeform because that was the previous usg monopoly. [02:32]
asciilifeform (ibm) [02:32]
asciilifeform the new one - requires mouse. [02:32]
asciilifeform 'shuddup & suck on it' (tm) [02:32]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-12-2014#941070 [02:32]
assbot Logged on 02-12-2014 03:31:49; assbot: Logged on 11-09-2014 03:44:22; *: decimation remembers every pos and library using said terminals growing up, only to be replaced with buggy-ass windows for no reason [02:32]
asciilifeform aha [02:32]
asciilifeform watched this happen. [02:32]
asciilifeform beautiful keyboards, too [02:33]
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* asciilifeform ended up buying such a terminal (not from library) and using for a long while [02:33]
asciilifeform as a student. [02:33]
decimation aye, my first job was a library clerk, using an ibm serial terminal [02:33]
decimation had a 'laser scanner' peripheral, even [02:34]
decimation scan item, populates text box [02:34]
* asciilifeform still has one of those scanners. with the old stainless steel wand. [02:34]
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decimation yeah that's the one [02:34]
asciilifeform glorious thing. emulated ps/2 kbd. [02:34]
asciilifeform (had rs232 port also, presumably for terminals) [02:35]
decimation I recall the library was running some variant of 'unisys' [02:35]
decimation neh, not unisys, unicorn by sirsi [02:36]
asciilifeform http://wikileaks.org/wiki/SirsiDynix_Corp_restricted_lobby_paper_against_Open_Source_technologies%2C_Sep_2009 << related [02:38]
assbot SirsiDynix Corp restricted lobby paper against Open Source technologies, Sep 2009 - WikiLeaks ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZpWM6 ) [02:38]
decimation lol they saw the writing on the wall [02:39]
decimation actually they shouldn't have capitulated to the modern gui idiocy [02:39]
decimation today you could build a really cheap serial terminal, perhaps with 'e-ink' display [02:39]
asciilifeform the 'fast' e-ink remains mythical. [02:40]
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decimation my wife's new kindle is pretty fast [02:40]
decimation but probably not fast enough for a full terminal [02:40]
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asciilifeform folks have ported linux to 'kindle' [02:40]
decimation at any rate, it's moot because libraries in the us don't see the point in keeping books anymore [02:40]
asciilifeform can now try and see [02:40]
decimation hu [02:40]
decimation every year or two her cheapass kindle 'breaks' [02:41]
asciilifeform http://www.turnkeylinux.org/blog/kindle-root [02:41]
assbot On my Kindle I am root | TurnKey GNU/Linux Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZqgKP ) [02:41]
decimation usually, the screen stops updating. I never bothered fixing it, figured it wasn't worth my time [02:41]
decimation I should try the hack to see if I can fix it [02:42]
* asciilifeform has a 'kindle dx'. no signs of wear after ~4 yrs. [02:42]
* asciilifeform sometimes wonders whether that product category would exist - and what it would cost if it did - if there were not a built-in chumpatronic collector [02:43]
asciilifeform (which one is not forced to use, unlike the one in certain very early 'e-readers', but tempts sufficiently many ESL (to use mircea_popescu's term) folks to bring in a pretty penny for the vendor) [02:44]
mircea_popescu the kindle ? [02:45]
asciilifeform aha [02:45]
mircea_popescu i don't perceive its utility [02:45]
decimation I think the ebook sales are mostly woman-porn [02:45]
asciilifeform i use it mainly for lib.ru [02:45]
decimation they can read in public without showing the embarassing covers [02:45]
asciilifeform (not literal lib.ru, long dead, but texts in general) [02:46]
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asciilifeform as for the chumpatronics, i have no idea who uses. [02:46]
asciilifeform someone, somewhere. [02:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and if you need to bash something what do you do ? [02:46]
asciilifeform they keep making'em [02:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's a quote collector widget. [02:47]
mircea_popescu no no [02:47]
asciilifeform with 'clitoris' joystick [02:47]
decimation sufficiently many people believe in paying for ebooks I guess [02:47]
mircea_popescu does it have a for ? [02:47]
asciilifeform it goes to a text file. [02:47]
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mircea_popescu bash as in bourne shell, not bash as in take ntoes. [02:47]
asciilifeform ah [02:47]
mircea_popescu but fine, the notes : suppose you now want to write an article. how do you type, and how do you send it to trilema ? [02:47]
asciilifeform then i walk three meters to the actual computer, lol [02:47]
mircea_popescu suppose you want to say something here. like a quote. [02:47]
asciilifeform see above [02:48]
mircea_popescu o wait, this is like a woman that's useful as long as another woman is around ? [02:48]
decimation lol mircea_popescu no one types on the kindle [02:48]
mircea_popescu decimation my poinbt being, i can't really do anything of the intellect without the whole computer. [02:48]
asciilifeform 'kindle' is not a computer! it's this entirely specialized machine, like kitchen mixer. [02:48]
asciilifeform my mixer also does not run bash [02:48]
asciilifeform (yet) [02:48]
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mircea_popescu but my mental life is not compartimentalized, like kitchen. [02:48]
decimation no, it's a 'read-only' device. the model is that the reader has nothing to say [02:48]
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mircea_popescu but it happens that i oft do have a loit to say [02:48]
mircea_popescu and also i need to test and verify what i read [02:49]
mircea_popescu and so on [02:49]
asciilifeform the model is that one wishes sometimes to emulate a book. [02:49]
mircea_popescu in short, i know of no other process involving the noggin than the full process. [02:49]
asciilifeform (why to do this, is a matter of taste) [02:49]
decimation do you scribble in the margins? [02:49]
mircea_popescu in the book days i used to have my books filled with papers. [02:49]
* asciilifeform usually prefers to scribble in an actual notebook [02:49]
asciilifeform aha and papers. [02:49]
mircea_popescu as in, have someone to (cut, if uncut) and prefill with blank paper. [02:50]
decimation how do you scribble in an ascii text file? [02:50]
asciilifeform emacs ? [02:50]
mircea_popescu and the worst thing a maid could do is drop a wreath of books on the way to shelving [02:50]
mircea_popescu good god. a cloud of now useless paper, and a criminal eyed mp [02:50]
decimation asciilifeform: but how do you separate your changes from the original text? does emacs do this? [02:51]
asciilifeform diff. [02:51]
decimation heh [02:51]
mircea_popescu lol [02:51]
mircea_popescu what's wrong with > ? [02:51]
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decimation I guess there are many simple solutions. [02:51]
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* asciilifeform owns many peculiar machines on account of quests like 'program in bed' and 'read ascii/koi8 on balcony' etc. [02:52]
mircea_popescu i guess im a reactionary. i own, substantially, the exact kind of machine i had as a child. [02:54]
asciilifeform there is not, nor can be, a replacement for The computer. [02:54]
asciilifeform you know, the one that is heavy, if you kick, won't move [02:54]
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mircea_popescu it went from 16 to 64 bits, sure, but otherwise the box is exactly the same size even [02:54]
asciilifeform can hold a kg or 2 of dust [02:54]
asciilifeform etc [02:54]
decimation asciilifeform: like ibm AT? [02:55]
mircea_popescu i have half a dozen laptops which i use... maybe a day a season, or something, between the lot. [02:55]
mircea_popescu i borrowed an ipad for a coupla weeks to check out the games and i gave it back without regrets - more with relief. [02:56]
danielpbarron http://danielpbarron.com/patch_test.txt [02:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZscCX ) [02:56]
decimation ipad is great for entertaining small children [02:56]
mircea_popescu i don't think anything ever was as stulfifying as the ipad game scene. perhaps the failed nes. [02:56]
mircea_popescu decimation but small as in 3 yos. [02:56]
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decimation aye [02:56]
mircea_popescu yeah, that i have seen. there's a koi pond simulator [02:57]
decimation that's pretty much the mental model of the ipad [02:57]
decimation 'tap on large icons, receive reward' is pretty much intelligible for 12 months and older [02:57]
mircea_popescu extremely odd their insistence on no porn, either [02:59]
mircea_popescu that's pretty much the only non-infantile use of the thing. [02:59]
decimation my daughter loves her 'app' that forces her to re-order numbers, letters, and phrases to receive a cartoon reward [03:00]
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cazalla decimation, what's wrong with old fashioned blocks? [03:02]
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decimation cazalla: nothing, she plays with them too. they aren't as portable though [03:03]
cazalla seems like a sure fire way to give your kid brain damage [03:03]
decimation eh, kids are gonna have to learn to deal with the electronics one day [03:04]
decimation I'm trying to teach her German, but it goes much better with a native speaker [03:05]
mircea_popescu yeah, you want her to learn german, get her a german speaking dog/ [03:05]
cazalla my plan is to avoid that stuff with my son for as long as possible [03:05]
asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/pub/komp.jpg << try on laptop. [03:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZtsG7 ) [03:05]
mircea_popescu like a shepherd or something. [03:05]
decimation there was a class locally, but it was canceled for lack of interest [03:05]
decimation lol [03:05]
decimation actually, I would consider getting a german-speaking au pair [03:06]
asciilifeform actual computer should be a -place-, not merely machine [03:06]
asciilifeform like church organ. [03:06]
mircea_popescu decimation bdsm site's this way --> [03:06]
decimation turns out you don't have to pay them social security or payroll tax [03:06]
decimation at any rate, that's all I have for the evening, good night [03:07]
decimation !down decimation [03:07]
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mircea_popescu "One ought not to pay any attention to Hitler's recent line of talk about being the friend of the poor man, the enemy of plutocracy, etc etc. Hitler's real self is in MEIN KAMPF, and in his actions. He has never persecuted the rich, except when they were Jews or when they tried actively to oppose him. He stands for a centralised economy which robs the capitalist of most of his power but leaves the structure of society [03:13]
mircea_popescu much as before. The State controls industry, but there are still rich and poor, masters and men." [03:13]
mircea_popescu this guy was so fucking defeated... [03:13]
asciilifeform l0l! [03:13]
mircea_popescu it's incredible how defeated he was. [03:14]
mircea_popescu it's like... not even coinceivable how defeated. [03:14]
asciilifeform obligatory: http://www.pbfcomics.com/209 [03:16]
assbot The Perry Bible Fellowship ... ( http://bit.ly/16KAK93 ) [03:16]
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mircea_popescu zebra penis! [03:18]
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asciilifeform zebrahitler (tm) [03:19]
mircea_popescu this "people standing on magic carpets of the future" meme is so incomprehensible to me. [03:19]
mircea_popescu do people really have such poor grasp of basic mechanics as to not understand that if you're not walking, there's really noi reason to be standing ?! [03:20]
asciilifeform and before the 'stand-up desk' fashion, too [03:20]
mircea_popescu the banal observation that three hour's walk is pleasant, but quarter hour's standing unpleasant not exactly with them ?! [03:20]
asciilifeform oddly enough, there appears to be something to this [03:21]
asciilifeform more of a 'bed of nails' thing though [03:21]
mircea_popescu hm ? [03:21]
asciilifeform when i'm in the machine shop, end up having to stand, and it tends to keep one awake [03:21]
asciilifeform then again, perhaps it's the acute awareness of the sharp rotating bits [03:22]
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mircea_popescu lo [03:23]
asciilifeform i'm told there are even treadmill desks [03:24]
asciilifeform (whether the treadmill actually powers the computer - that ancient dream - i do not know) [03:24]
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mircea_popescu http://www11.kinghost.com/fetish/knapsack/images/bicm6973.jpg [03:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/16KDS4T ) [03:27]
asciilifeform lol! [03:27]
asciilifeform stakecycle [03:27]
asciilifeform looks like the diddler is rigged to reciprocate [03:28]
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asciilifeform who has not wondered, many times, about such machines [03:29]
asciilifeform whether exist, and where [03:29]
asciilifeform now we know - at least one. [03:30]
mircea_popescu i've not wondered much, kinda discover the potentiality and the actuality in one package as it were. [03:30]
asciilifeform ^ pictured unit yours ? [03:30]
mircea_popescu http://www.holisticwisdom.com/the-fucking-chair.htm in the same vein [03:31]
mircea_popescu ah no. [03:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/16KFb3I ) [03:31]
mircea_popescu http://www11.kinghost.com/fetish/knapsack/bicycle182-brut.html whole set if you're curious. [03:31]
assbot Fucking bicycle ... ( http://bit.ly/16KFmMv ) [03:31]
asciilifeform neato. [03:32]
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asciilifeform ;;bc,stats [03:36]
gribble Current Blocks: 342199 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 520 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44686087306.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.26987 [03:36]
asciilifeform 290291. [03:36]
asciilifeform phillipsj is quite a joker. [03:38]
asciilifeform 'January 2009 Completed The Insurance Premium Reduction Program at A and J Driving School.' on a cv !?!? [03:38]
mircea_popescu it does sound rather like something you get convicted to, doesn't it. [03:38]
asciilifeform the whole thing does [03:40]
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asciilifeform i'm still waiting to read a cv with entry 'xxxx-xxxx - hobo' [03:41]
asciilifeform does engl. even have verb, 'to hobo' ? [03:41]
asciilifeform бомжевать [03:41]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, i imagine you see my point. what truly subtle meta-Agranov would come up with something like that ? [03:42]
asciilifeform srsly [03:42]
mircea_popescu the man's disarmingly plain. [03:42]
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mircea_popescu lol@ filthy orwell, going full throtle into "the country is weakened by the war, now is the time to socialism!11" [03:49]
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asciilifeform sorta did happen. [03:49]
mircea_popescu it's strange, this unseemly ability of felons, to hide the substance of their felony. first of all from themselves, and even should they be blessed with remarkable observation powers. [03:49]
asciilifeform dog barked - caravan moved. [03:49]
mircea_popescu yeah, but that's indifferent. [03:49]
mircea_popescu man can see what's wrong with socialism, but he can't see what's wrong with his own prose [03:50]
asciilifeform t. dalrymple (retired british shrink, wrote a number of hilarious books on psychology of criminals - and civ. decay overally) had a thing on this [03:50]
asciilifeform 'the knife went in, the gun went off' [03:50]
asciilifeform somethingliekthat [03:50]
asciilifeform testimonies full of animated, ambulatory weaponry [03:51]
mircea_popescu lol [03:51]
mircea_popescu i'd probably make a horrible judge, on the grounds that i'm generally inclined to let off everyone who kills purposefully. [03:51]
mircea_popescu that, at least, i can understand. [03:51]
mircea_popescu but none of this "accidental" talk if it is at all possible. [03:52]
asciilifeform he has a passage almost entirely this. [03:52]
mircea_popescu i guess i'd do okay as a lord with his own court in some marsh cca 1300, but otherwise... [03:52]
asciilifeform http://www.city-journal.org/story.php?id=1371 [03:53]
assbot "The Knife Went In" by Theodore Dalrymple, City Journal Autumn 1994 ... ( http://bit.ly/16KJIDk ) [03:53]
mircea_popescu o hey. [03:53]
* mircea_popescu reads [03:53]
mircea_popescu "The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong." [03:54]
mircea_popescu please is the word. [03:54]
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asciilifeform fella was a prison shrink. [03:54]
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mircea_popescu i had this girl... she was a psych grad. weighed about 50 kgs if dressed, and had spent three years as the prison shrink. [03:55]
mircea_popescu about half the population there, rapists. [03:55]
mircea_popescu the other half, murderers, arsonists, all sorts of truly pathological types. [03:55]
mircea_popescu she had oodles of stories. [03:56]
asciilifeform old prison hands generally do. [03:57]
* asciilifeform must have at least half a book-case of 'prison lit' [03:57]
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mircea_popescu kinda what got my attention originally, i could read the girl's experienced, but it made little sense. [03:58]
mircea_popescu then i figured out... vicariously! [03:58]
asciilifeform at least, unlike the 'vicarious' engineering gurlz, she did not attempt to go and... apply [04:00]
mircea_popescu heavens no. [04:02]
mircea_popescu she didn't even attempt to write a book. [04:02]
mircea_popescu very pleasant girl. [04:02]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816556 [04:02]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 21:53:25; mircea_popescu: this "'KGB: the Inside Story' by Christopher Andrew" string reminds me of the "stop sending niggers then" joke. [04:02]
asciilifeform re: book. [04:03]
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asciilifeform 'Violent criminals often use an expression auxiliary to “My head went” when explaining their deeds: “It wasn’t me.” Here is the psychobabble of the slums, the doctrine of the “Real Me” as refracted through the lens of urban degradation. The Real Me has nothing to do with the phenomenal me, the me that snatches old ladies’ bags, breaks into other people’s houses, beats up my wife and children, or repeatedly dr [04:05]
asciilifeform inks too much and gets involved in brawls. No, the Real Me is an immaculate conception, untouched by human conduct: it is that unassailable core of virtue that enables me to retain my self-respect whatever I do. What I am is not at all determined by what I do; and insofar as what I do has any moral significance at all, it is up to others to ensure that the phenomenal me acts in accordance with the Real Me.' [04:05]
asciilifeform ^ see also TLP. [04:05]
* asciilifeform used to suspect for a while, long ago, that herr dalrymple was tlp [04:06]
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mircea_popescu sounds like pretty typical infantilism. [04:06]
mircea_popescu nah, this man is i think english. [04:06]
asciilifeform mr d? yes [04:06]
asciilifeform very english [04:06]
mircea_popescu !up phillipsjk [04:08]
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mircea_popescu dja know how to up yourself ? [04:08]
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mircea_popescu cool. [04:09]
asciilifeform (anyone who enjoyed 'the knife went in' can see a bunch more, http://www.city-journal.org/author_index.php?author=47 ) [04:12]
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asciilifeform ^ by no means his complete works [04:12]
mircea_popescu For example, they do not say of the policemen who they allege (often plausibly) have beaten them up, “Poor cops! They were brought up in authoritarian homes and now project the anger that is really directed at their bullying fathers onto me. They need counseling. They need their heads sorted out.” On the contrary, they say, with force and explosive emotion, “The bastards!” They assume that the police act out of [04:14]
mircea_popescu free, if malevolent, will. [04:14]
mircea_popescu this is pretty good, and an excellent display of why the reconstructive approach is so powerful in talk psychotherapy, and discourse generally. [04:15]
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mircea_popescu "restate this about that, see how it sounds". [04:15]
asciilifeform e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1007943 [04:15]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 06:31:43; asciilifeform: exercise for student: when you wake up, think of six entirely factually-correct - but disastrously intellectually-crippling - models for some commonplace thing or other. [04:15]
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mircea_popescu "can't figure it out when a mater of abstract objects ? that's fine, do it over but with cunts and fucking this time. see if the carefully evolved mamallian brain isn't more a help than a hindrance in matters it's actually evolved to handle!" [04:16]
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asciilifeform http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_1_otbie-john-kenneth-galbraith.html << herr d. on.. galbraith. mega-flame. [04:20]
assbot The Galbraith Revival by Theodore Dalrymple, City Journal Winter 2010 ... ( http://bit.ly/16KPvZt ) [04:20]
asciilifeform (yes, the galbraith of 'the bezzle') [04:20]
mircea_popescu "What, then, did I find to praise in Galbraith? In the first place, his personal example, which is encouraging for someone like me who has entered the later stages of his life. Galbraith wrote The Economics of Innocent Fraud when he was 96. That was the last of the approximately 50 books that he wrote, and he wrote them clearly, never giving the impression of wanting to be thought clever because of the difficulty of wh [04:23]
mircea_popescu at he had to say." [04:23]
phillipsjk so I read http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ , and have been having trouble parsing the math formula. I have figured out that 1.25TB (about 3 years from now) is approximately 35 squared. [04:23]
assbot Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxbKym ) [04:23]
mircea_popescu this is impressive. imagine, men before public smoking was banned, living to be 96! and able to articulate themselves! [04:24]
phillipsjk Not sure how you derived the exponential function for calculating the year 2020 [04:24]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk if every 170k blocks it increases 35 times, and there's 365 days to the year and 24 hours to the day and 6 blocks in a hour [04:24]
mircea_popescu it then follows that the size at any arbitrary point in time is... [04:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform this thing's merciless huh [04:31]
asciilifeform aha. [04:32]
mircea_popescu i like a man who can use the text. [04:32]
asciilifeform herr d. does not disappoint. [04:32]
asciilifeform incidentally, one of his first (or perhaps first?) works is a description of a voyage he took, to visit the major capitals of the communist world [04:33]
asciilifeform incl. (at the time) bucharest [04:33]
mircea_popescu bucharest is and always was such a hellhole the likes of which no one has ever seen. [04:34]
phillipsjk since the 1.25 factor represents the fist period: 3.23 years, the first number in the exponent must represent something like (n -3) years.. But 2009+6+3=2018. [04:34]
mircea_popescu this was my own experience, both under the communists and after, and it was recorded in 1800 by travellers [04:35]
mircea_popescu (it did not exist prior to about then) [04:35]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk the deleted 2020 is more of a playful rethorical device [04:35]
mircea_popescu don't get too hung up on it. [04:35]
mircea_popescu the point is simply : "not so very long". [04:36]
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asciilifeform 'the wilder shores of marx' [04:37]
asciilifeform ^ book [04:37]
mircea_popescu this is mostly important because considering on one hand the uninformed low level arithmeticizing of reality prevalent in the esl world, and on the other the utter insanities passed for "graphs" on the forum, but also generally in the world - say that abject "cross model", people really need a little example of PROPER use of numbers. [04:37]
phillipsjk So you are implicitly expecting the block-size will be much larger than 20MB sooner than we expect as well. [04:37]
asciilifeform north kr, albania, ro, vietnam, cuba. [04:37]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk i am not seriously lowering the discourse to gavin's insanities. a matter of principle is being discussed there, not the irrelevant gargle of whatever derp. [04:38]
asciilifeform d. went to ro immediately before the magic xmas. [04:38]
phillipsjk good point. Gavin's proposal is just that: a proposal. [04:38]
mircea_popescu moreover, gavin is about as unfrequentable intellectually as quisling [04:39]
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phillipsjk I think that is the most subtle "Godwin" I have even seen. (had to look it up) [04:41]
asciilifeform had to look up quisling ?!?! [04:41]
* phillipsjk does not read enough books [04:41]
mircea_popescu here you will have them forced upon you. [04:41]
mircea_popescu i know i do. [04:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anyway, i think one could scarcely have better political education than a tour of the warsaw pact in the late 80s. [04:43]
mircea_popescu especially if one packed lots and lots and lots of jeans. [04:43]
asciilifeform it worked. [04:44]
asciilifeform not sure if he had the jeans (iirc, he went under the auspices of some medical society or other) [04:44]
mircea_popescu as i point out in some romanian article, denim bras had i managed to import would have been gladly worn by those women half the current .ro calls mom. [04:46]
phillipsjk I mentioned in PM that I assume the year 2010 refers to "mybitcoin" (found mention of it in a forum post Aug 17, 2010) [04:46]
phillipsjk "Consider the alternative of mybitcoin.com. It is a client portable to any web browser. You could keep the account/password in your head instead of on a stick. If you want to transact with another mybitcoin account the transaction is immediate too." [04:46]
phillipsjk much derp, to use the local parlance [04:47]
asciilifeform whatever happened to that crapolade [04:47]
mircea_popescu is this the first tihng that pulled a runner ? [04:47]
asciilifeform 'web wallets' [04:47]
phillipsjk yes [04:47]
mircea_popescu right. [04:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform remember the burt wagner, pedophile / gay prostitute / showman with the camera in demo mode ? [04:47]
asciilifeform aha [04:48]
asciilifeform vaguely [04:48]
mircea_popescu he massively pumped, and then claimed to have been victimized, by tha thing [04:48]
mircea_popescu is how he disappeared. [04:48]
midnightmagic "bruce" I think [04:49]
midnightmagic where did he claim to be victimized? [04:49]
phillipsjk no that is a different person. [04:49]
midnightmagic oh [04:49]
phillipsjk "From the desk of Tom Williams, operator of MyBitcoin.com" [04:49]
phillipsjk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34770.0 [04:50]
assbot Mybitcoin.com Press Release #2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxdTu3 ) [04:50]
midnightmagic that the one possibly traced to hackcanada.com? [04:50]
mircea_popescu now i gotta check my facts, it's been years [04:50]
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mircea_popescu midnightmagic you're right, the name's bruce. [04:51]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVabnqRj_8I < for the curious. [04:52]
assbot The Bitcoin Show - Episode 012 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kxe3Bt ) [04:52]
mircea_popescu the last episode of that thing figures prominently some hot shot kid that made a totally innovative super-great exchange [04:53]
mircea_popescu that then "was hacked", but it's ok, because everyone's balance was just going to be frozen and "repaid over time" [04:53]
mircea_popescu and then it went away [04:53]
mircea_popescu i wish i could remember the idiot's name, he was a reddit star for a season or two. [04:54]
mircea_popescu da fuck was his name, the hipster with the dumbass hat. [04:55]
phillipsjk "Tom Williams" paid people half their Bitcoin and disappeared. Mybitocin.com had a private registration is some tropical island country. [04:55]
phillipsjk Apparently Bruce is mentioned in the thread I linked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZldY-ZBBE [04:58]
assbot The Bitcoin Show - Episode 033 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxewDJ ) [04:58]
phillipsjk wow, an hour long video [05:00]
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mod6 fluffypony: ahh, yet another "genius" thinks he's going to replace bitcoin. *snore* [12:50]
fluffypony "Mr. McCaleb also happened to be one of the world’s foremost cryptographers, arguably in a class with Alan Turing, the father of artificial intelligence and modern computing." [12:50]
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mircea_popescu sigh [12:56]
mircea_popescu fish wrappers nec ultra fish wrapping! [12:57]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell phillipsjk: Is html allowed in comments on your blog? << some limited html. blockquote, a and i dun recall what else. [13:01]
gribble The operation succeeded. [13:02]
mircea_popescu punkman: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/CCCamp_2007_Datenklo.jpg << so basically, the only reason these adolescent boys have gathered there is to have a good pretext for not washing. [13:03]
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mircea_popescu phillipsjk: [...] < I wish the banks around here knew what GPG/PGP was. << it's because i don't use actual banks, but the well developed argentine underground system. [13:04]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: >Stripe and Facebook are going to sponsor @gnupg development with $50k/year each. << the only important point in the ruckus being, now we know gpg 1.x is perfectly fine and 2.x not entirely broken, and that there's absolutely no need to expect usable 3.x [13:05]
mircea_popescu at least we know where we're standing : what we got scares them. we'll fork it later on an' be quite happy. [13:05]
mircea_popescu but yes, the snapchat comparison is QUITE shameful. [13:06]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/ << check it out asciilifeform someone's butthurt over gavin getting shot in the head. [13:06]
assbot The Race to Replace Bitcoin | Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ky8SBs ) [13:06]
mircea_popescu someone who was stupid enough to ignore the warnings, for that matter. o, it's not his fault, "nobody could have foreseen". [13:06]
mod6 30 out of 40 people say gox & ripple guy is mega-genius and in same class with Turing!!11 [13:08]
mircea_popescu " The most exciting battle in this long war is taking place in San Francisco, and the town isn’t big enough for both Ripple Labs and Stellar, two of the contenders hoping to replace not just Bitcoin but the almighty dollar." [13:08]
mircea_popescu lol. [13:08]
mod6 haha [13:09]
mod6 this is what i need every morning. a good dose of solid lulz. [13:09]
mircea_popescu but even better, 1st comment : ""Vinnie Falco · Top Commenter · Software Engineer at Ripple Labs [13:09]
mircea_popescu Now this is some serious investigative journalism. I even learned a few things! [13:09]
mircea_popescu i mean, if you remember this schmuck, he's the "mr bigg" shill mpoe-pr unmasked on the forum. [13:09]
mod6 srs "journalism" [13:10]
mircea_popescu he is now somehow a "software engineer" - heck, if randi could do it ? [13:10]
mod6 lol mr bigg [13:10]
mircea_popescu and he is learning about his company from obscure $300 an article trade rags. [13:10]
mircea_popescu imagine that you know, if you had to run boeing with some engineers that went "oh, boeing makes planes actually ? gee i had no idea ty for clarifying" [13:10]
mircea_popescu "im a chewing gum aeropropulsion engineer." [13:11]
mircea_popescu fluffypony in case it wasn't somehow apparent, "someone" doth not mean you. it doth mean the still unidentified publicly person in charge of handling teh bitcoin problem. [13:12]
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mircea_popescu in other news, "Warrior Forum 8:03 am 54 KiB How to reach the REALLY rich? - Warrior Forum" [13:16]
mircea_popescu gee whiz, i dunno. joining some retards forum, i'm sure o.O [13:16]
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fluffypony lol [13:19]
fluffypony warrior forum never ceases to amuse [13:19]
mircea_popescu ever since the flaming idiots of get a freelancer bought it, it's seriously improved [13:19]
mircea_popescu comedy-wise. [13:19]
fluffypony lol [13:19]
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mircea_popescu come to think about it : http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/12-2014/p01/p/13.jpg << there's a whoile brand of this sort of idiot in ther wild. [13:20]
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mircea_popescu twisty's is a fine example : how to make atrociously bad porn out of ingredients found commonly in any porn studio. [13:21]
mircea_popescu it's as if there's a race of humans that is really, REALLY bad at anything they do. [13:21]
mircea_popescu because in any line there exists this company, which is extremely bad, almost as if it's self-parodic level bad. [13:21]
mircea_popescu truly atrocious sort of incomprehensible and unexplainable "you have to be there" sort of bad. [13:22]
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mircea_popescu unrelatedly, in terms of the bezzel world, this is an excellent entry : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datenklo [13:24]
assbot Datenklo – Wikipedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KybteH ) [13:24]
mircea_popescu so this article discusses the famous ccc modem. at the time, germans being insane as today, it was illegal to own a modem, and you had to rent the state company ones, which were incredibly expensive. [13:25]
mircea_popescu expensive enough to get people to where they'd root for copies of teh hacker bible, and then build a modem out of repurposed materials by hand. [13:25]
mircea_popescu and now, the meat and potatoes : ". Modems waren damals in Deutschland noch verboten, mit Ausnahme der teuren Mietgeräte der Bundespost. Anfang 1987 betrug die monatliche Gebühr für ein BTX-MultiTel 1 48 DM (nach heutiger Kaufkraft 40 €) und für ein MultiTel 2 78 DM (nach heutiger Kaufkraft 66 €)" [13:26]
mircea_popescu ie, it cost 48 Deutsche Mark, which "at today's values" would be 40 euros. [13:26]
mircea_popescu well fuck me sally, if they truly cost 40 euros at today's values then what the fuck's the problem, that's what internet costs today. what is wrong with these people ? [13:27]
mircea_popescu obviously nothing's wrong with the people, but plenty's wrong wit hthe "present values" equation, seeing how in 1985 ie 30 years ago it made perfect sense to spend a week and cut out pipes and whatnot to save "the equivalent of 40 euros". [13:27]
mircea_popescu more like 400, but then you'd have to explain 1k% inflation in 30 years, [13:28]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 10**(1/30) [13:28]
gribble 1.07977516233 [13:28]
mircea_popescu ie 8% anually, which you don't really wish to do. [13:28]
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mircea_popescu and in even other-er news, http://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-models-detained-in-prostitution-case/141548/ [13:31]
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mircea_popescu that's right, i come from a country where you USED to have to be cool to be able to fuck most of the starlets on tv (prhaps with the show playing in the background, if so inclined). nowadays any schmuck with a coupla bitcoin can do it. [13:32]
chetty and you had to rent the state company ones// coming soon to us, internet public utility will make it so [13:36]
mircea_popescu quite. [13:37]
mircea_popescu it's really funny how the politics of this worked out : 1) buncha companies, unregulated market, bring the thing into existence. [13:37]
mircea_popescu 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it [13:37]
mircea_popescu 3) government steps in, sweeps the whole thing under itself, since 2 failed. [13:38]
mircea_popescu net result ? a frail, broken, centralized item to take place of the vibrant original and slowly decay. it's "just as good', [13:38]
mircea_popescu exactly in the manner 40 euros are "just as good" as 48 DM [13:38]
mircea_popescu either way, the only thing a functioning market can expect is attack, either by government agencies masquerading as companies, or else by government agencies actually admitting their government affiliation. [13:39]
mircea_popescu in either case, what can't be had in the socialist state is free market. [13:39]
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mircea_popescu "[Note: It is interesting to notice that Mr Kennedy, USA Ambassador in London, remarked on his return to New York in October 1940 that as a result of the war "democracy is finished". By "democracy", of course, he meant private capitalism. (Author's footnote.)]" [13:50]
mircea_popescu lmao. no, you dumb fucking schmuck. he didn't mean what unrelated term you wish he had meant. he meant what he said : the ridiculous notion that random people may speak on random questions. [13:51]
mircea_popescu "she said get lost and if i never see you again it'll be soon enough. by get lost, of course, she meant let's snuggle and by never she meant she loves me!11" [13:52]
mircea_popescu fucking psychotic logic. [13:52]
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mircea_popescu xthey killed britni kakobrekla ! [14:05]
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TheNewDeal ;;Nethash [14:48]
gribble 326145878.624 [14:48]
TheNewDeal ;;Bc,stats [14:49]
gribble Current Blocks: 342275 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44694430246.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.29009 [14:49]
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danielpbarron i got 2nd pogo running; it's using my own compiled bitcoind (porta tronic non bastard) and it's successfully pulling blocks from my other pogo (running ascii's porta-tronic bastard) [15:32]
danielpbarron the 2nd one has 2 gigs of swap space [15:32]
danielpbarron weird, it hung up for a few minutes on block 3000 [15:35]
danielpbarron but now it appears to be chugging along [15:36]
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danielpbarron and again on 3500 ? [15:36]
danielpbarron gonna get lunch; will check in later [15:37]
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mod6 thanks for the updates danielpbarron [16:02]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it 3) government steps in... <<< see also the famous example of syntex corp. in mexico (carl djerassi!) - first mass-production of synthetic progestins, then nationalized, then gone - 'bad luck!' [16:49]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: Modems waren damals in Deutschland noch verboten, mit Ausnahme der teuren Mietgeräte der Bundespost << this was SOP in the national telco monopolies of that period; most famously, in usa, where all line equipment, incl. handsets, was considered property of bell co. [16:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: phun phact: there are still a few hundred thousand idiots renting landline handsets in usa from lucent (who inherited that subdivision) [16:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865555052/Bad-call-Seniors-paying-thousands-to-lease-home-phones.html?pg=all [16:52]
assbot Bad call: Seniors paying thousands to lease home phones | Deseret News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBQvw3 ) [16:53]
asciilifeform and dollars to doughnuts, some forgotten government office somewhere is still renting a modem. [16:53]
asciilifeform http://www.qltcls.com/products/corded-phones << mindfuck. they still take new customers. [16:54]
assbot Corded Phones | QLT Consumer Lease Services, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBQR5K ) [16:54]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils << i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge - much time and sore muscle spent in changing direction. but this would work beautifully for a liquid-piston stirling engine (see last night's thread). [16:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: conductive liquid, naturally [16:58]
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assbot Corded Phones | QLT Consumer Lease Services, Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBRFrj ) [17:00]
asciilifeform dignork: it is largely for ^ that american telcos still support 'pulse dialing' [17:00]
trinque an observation: the latency of the credit card networks is measured in days [17:01]
asciilifeform trinque: where?! in zimbabwe ? [17:01]
punkman i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge << I once took a design class where this was a case study of "innovation" and "green" [17:01]
asciilifeform trinque: or were you thinking of the lag from purchase to bank statement ? [17:02]
trinque asciilifeform: the merchant gets their money in days in the US [17:02]
trinque asciilifeform: corrrect [17:02]
asciilifeform aha. [17:02]
asciilifeform the folks who count (tm) get it immediately [17:02]
asciilifeform hence, from their pov - no delay. [17:02]
trinque asciilifeform: even that's more a temporary loan right? [17:02]
trinque but I guess if we're talking "effectively" sure [17:02]
trinque thought was this claim that bitcoin as-is is slow is complete bullshit [17:03]
trinque it's the fastest payment system I'm aware of when you consider the whole process [17:03]
asciilifeform punkman: flashlight... was a case study of "innovation" and "green" << the meat puppets responsible should be condemned to spend the rest of their days in oubliette, with only nyt to read, lit only by that flashlight. [17:03]
punkman I gotta dig up that textbook, many lolz to be had [17:05]
trinque +asciilifeform | the folks who count (tm) get it immediately << dunno that this is so, isn't "settlement" a thing to allow for reversals, etc? [17:05]
asciilifeform reversals get taken straight from the merchant's account. [17:05]
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punkman plus chargeback fee ^ [17:05]
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punkman on that note, here is a gem https://ensafer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/bg-app-showcase-adjusted.jpg [17:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBSFvJ ) [17:06]
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trinque even seven figure processing accounts I've seen take days to hit a bank account, or at least the next day [17:07]
trinque punkman: lol wow the future of p2p payments [17:09]
punkman it's a "secure" messaging app [17:09]
punkman I never thought of this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9KqynNIUAEj87i.jpg [17:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KyHTpa ) [17:09]
asciilifeform punkman: odd. i know of no car recent enough to come with a remote button, that doesn't beep/flash when locked/unlocked [17:10]
punkman people forget [17:11]
asciilifeform for some reason they never seen to forget to put on pants when walking out the door [17:11]
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punkman I left my bike unlocked for three days, noticed today [17:13]
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PeterL My wife's bike was once stolen out of our garage ... whoever took it left their bike sitting in our yard. It was the weirdest thing. [17:15]
asciilifeform bike laundry. [17:15]
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danielpbarron https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Block_chain_download#Large_Catchup_Case << i think this is why it gets stuck every 500 blocks [18:14]
assbot Block chain download - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1C1Xzgc ) [18:14]
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BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/amazon-exits-crimea/ [18:42]
assbot Amazon Exits Crimea | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1C227TU ) [18:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00039627 = 9.986 BTC [-] [18:52]
danielpbarron when i turn off my 1st pogo and let the 2nd talk to the rest of the network, it doesn't hang up on every 500th block; i guess there is some config variable that limits how many blocks to send to one peer per session? [19:00]
danielpbarron at height=27000 the memory is at like 70% used, no swap [19:02]
thestringpuller danielpbarron: what version of Bitcoin are you running? [19:06]
danielpbarron the official one [19:08]
mod6 it's the portotronic version v0.5.3.2 right? [19:08]
danielpbarron it's with all the patches up to porta-tronic [19:08]
danielpbarron so everything on the homepage of thebitcoin.foundation + porta-tronic [19:09]
danielpbarron you can see exactly how i built it here http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt [19:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EMJlGe ) [19:09]
danielpbarron might be errors if you run that though; i haven't tested it since i cleaned it up to look nice [19:11]
mod6 ah, my mistake. ascii numbered the "Orphanage Burner" as v0.5.3.2 [19:11]
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danielpbarron oh hm [19:11]
danielpbarron maybe that's why [19:11]
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danielpbarron the pogo with the longer chain is running the burner [19:11]
danielpbarron lemme try without that [19:11]
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BingoBoingo http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/05/us/missouri-fake-kidnapping/index.html [19:17]
assbot Police: 6-year-old boy 'kidnapped' for being too nice to strangers - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5EbkQ ) [19:17]
trinque BingoBoingo: they didn't sterilize the 4; doing it wrong [19:18]
danielpbarron how can a mom get arrested for kidnapping her own son? was the dad not in on it or something? [19:19]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Looks like he wasn't [19:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72866 @ 0.0004035 = 29.4014 BTC [+] {2} [19:20]
danielpbarron looks like it's still stopping after 500 blocks even without the orphan burning [19:22]
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the_scourge !s "orphanage burner" [19:26]
assbot 6 results for '"orphanage burner"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22orphanage+burner%22 [19:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51250 @ 0.00039324 = 20.1536 BTC [-] {3} [19:27]
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the_scourge asciilifeform: i take it the reference is to the 'hopelessly out of order' meaning, not the traditional definition? [19:29]
danielpbarron it's supposed to dump the orphan blocks stored in memory to keep the pogoplug from crashing [19:31]
danielpbarron except it's a dirty hack, and the pogo crashes anyway [19:32]
the_scourge oh ok [19:35]
the_scourge what's the cheapest device that has usb 3.0? one can get super cheap USB keys on amazon, that would solve the problem [19:37]
danielpbarron the_scourge, have you been told to read the log yet? [19:37]
danielpbarron watching SetBestChain: new best= scroll by is oddly soothing [19:39]
danielpbarron ;;tslb [19:41]
gribble Error: Problem retrieving latest block data. [19:41]
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danielpbarron height=49141 and i'm getting lots of orphan spam, swap space is getting used now [19:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00040434 = 26.8886 BTC [+] [19:45]
danielpbarron ah weird, it's still only going up in chunks of 500 [19:46]
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danielpbarron going back to connecting directly to my 1st pogo in that case [19:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80092 @ 0.00040445 = 32.3932 BTC [+] {3} [19:50]
the_scourge mircea_popescu: where did you get the idea for mpoe? [19:50]
danielpbarron ok and now it's getting more than 500 at a time connected directly to eachother.. wtf [19:52]
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the_scourge danielpbarron: which block did it change behavior? [19:55]
danielpbarron !gettrust the_scourge [19:56]
assbot Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user the_scourge: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/danielpbarron/the_scourge | http://w.b-a.link/user/the_scourge [19:56]
danielpbarron around the one that i posted above ^ [19:56]
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danielpbarron hm, and now the 1st pogo (longer chain) is stuck while the 2nd pulls from it [20:00]
danielpbarron i'm ok with that if it's just until the 2nd catches up [20:00]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: of course it will crash. esp. if you built it with max=750 (as in the patch) but with 250 likewise [20:07]
asciilifeform still guzzles ram [20:07]
danielpbarron here is something strange: when i sent "getinfo" to the longer stuck node, it stapped out of it and started recieving new blocks again [20:08]
asciilifeform what is really needed is the experiment suggested by mircea_popescu (or was it davout?) where difficulty-outlier blocks are shot on sight [20:08]
danielpbarron and simultaneously the shorter unstuck node, stopped getting new blocks [20:09]
asciilifeform the phoundation backport crap needs to go [20:09]
asciilifeform ;;bc,stats [20:09]
gribble Current Blocks: 342317 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 402 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 8 hours, 45 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44872170693.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.72073 [20:09]
asciilifeform and, [20:09]
asciilifeform 300539. [20:10]
danielpbarron how are you so far ahead :p [20:10]
asciilifeform recall, this wasn't a pogo [20:10]
asciilifeform but a generic x86. [20:10]
danielpbarron my 0.7.2 node took 2 or 3 weeks to full sync [20:10]
asciilifeform on what? modem made from dead squirrel? [20:11]
danielpbarron standard home cable [20:11]
asciilifeform this one is on 100mb fiber [20:11]
asciilifeform but otherwise unsurprising, this is the fifth day [20:12]
danielpbarron i didn't think bandwidth was the bottleneck [20:12]
asciilifeform luck is the main bottleneck [20:12]
danielpbarron i recall it taking just as long when i used bootstrap.dat [20:12]
asciilifeform recall how sync is from one peer at a time [20:12]
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cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/02/tour-of-a-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ [20:25]
assbot Tour Of A Chinese Bitcoin Mine | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zXzLiz ) [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.10374042 = 2.0748 BTC [+] {7} [20:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00040506 = 8.7088 BTC [+] [20:33]
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asciilifeform cazalla: interestingly, two faces at the ~6'26'' mark are censored out [20:34]
asciilifeform (and similarly, later in) [20:35]
asciilifeform http://youtu.be/K8kua5B5K3I?t=6m46s << run moar winblows! (tm) [20:35]
assbot Life Inside a Secret Chinese Bitcoin Mine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOjMRq ) [20:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1151 @ 0.0009619 = 1.1071 BTC [+] {3} [20:36]
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asciilifeform and, lol! why 'secret chinese bitcoin mine'? what is the secret ? [20:43]
mircea_popescu isn;tthat old ? [20:43]
asciilifeform new. [20:44]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/nickdepetrillo/status/563782000058695682 [20:44]
assbot Welcome to the future: Philips HUE iOS app crashes and they pulled the app. I can't control my lights anymore. Send help. [20:44]
mircea_popescu http://www.infowars.com/economist-new-bill-turns-tsa-into-tax-police/ [20:44]
assbot » Economist: New Bill Turns TSA Into Tax Police Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOlrGA ) [20:44]
mircea_popescu and the noose ever narrows. [20:44]
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asciilifeform the noose appears to be about the same width as previously (post-'01) [20:47]
asciilifeform (for non-u.s. folks: for many years, the guards have been running names through 'wanted' lists when you walk in or out of usa) [20:48]
asciilifeform 'Keeping gold in a safe deposit box is money laundering carrying up to 25 years in prison.' << fiction. (though 'deposit boxes' remain a hilarious scam. see old thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-10-2014#875487 ) [20:50]
assbot Logged on 15-10-2014 17:38:27; assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 16:11:44; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: re: 'coinbase insurance' post - little story. recently i had occasion to rent a box at a bank (storage of various paperwork for firm.) the contract was a hilarious read. bank only insures a box for up to 25k usd. and specifically excludes damage from robbery, fire, water... virtually anything. [20:50]
cazalla asciilifeform, prob the real owner and it's a staff member being interviewed instead [20:50]
mircea_popescu punkman: [20:51]
mircea_popescu i once saw a flashlight based on this principle. a real bitch to charge << I once took a design class where this was a case study of "innovation" and "green" << as it should be. if i recall correctly the russian name is "labour & light" [20:51]
cazalla mircea_popescu, it's old as in there was a photo of the psu dump out last year and it was filmed last year but new as in full clip released today [20:51]
mircea_popescu a ok [20:51]
mircea_popescu the all union vladimir obama pioneers will certainly enjoy the eco lantern. [20:52]
asciilifeform лампочка ильича! [20:52]
mircea_popescu Всегда готов! [20:53]
mircea_popescu lampushka iliusha hahaha [20:53]
mircea_popescu o god that sounds lulzy. [20:53]
asciilifeform incidentally, this phrase has been resurrected and now fondly refers to the (increasingly rare) traditional incandescent bulb [20:54]
mircea_popescu aww [20:54]
asciilifeform specifically vs. modern chimeras [20:54]
mircea_popescu trinque: asciilifeform: the merchant gets their money in days in the US << noob. it's date+60. [20:54]
asciilifeform for n00bs: illych's [lenin's] lightbulb [20:54]
mircea_popescu days, sure, in the sense bitcoin txn confirm "in seconds" [20:54]
trinque mircea_popescu: right, I was saying the "visa is so speed" argument is bullshit [20:55]
mircea_popescu utterly bs. [20:55]
mircea_popescu but then again, bringing arguments to people who never had any sort of life experience is not unlike trying to give serpents haircuts. [20:55]
mircea_popescu always ends at step 1) grow some hair. [20:55]
* asciilifeform was buying lightbulbs not long ago, and did a double-take when saw a line of specifically 'retro' bulbs, claiming to be 'precisely like those of edison's time' - and at least were genuine in costing 10x what one normally expects, and putting out 1/5th the light [20:56]
asciilifeform (also had the requisite rought-blown shape and the multiple filaments) [20:56]
mircea_popescu multiple fillaments ? [20:58]
asciilifeform http://www.industry-home.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Edison-Bulb-30-Watt.jpg [20:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnOnY2 ) [20:58]
mircea_popescu oh i had some of them on display [21:00]
asciilifeform aha i recall [21:00]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo so is the "fake kidnapped kid" story the result of "boy telling school what happened" [21:04]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Indeed. [21:04]
mircea_popescu or is it the result of phone interception -> police telling school to ask kid -> kid not denying convincingly [21:04]
asciilifeform http://vocore.io/wiki/index << wants to be a node. [21:04]
assbot VoCore | A coin-sized Linux computer with wifi ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnPbMx ) [21:04]
asciilifeform ^ 32MB. and fuck, that ought to be enough for a bitcoin node [21:05]
mircea_popescu it ought. [21:05]
asciilifeform chinese mips. [21:05]
asciilifeform http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/04/28/15-asiarf-awm002-awm003-wi-fi-modules-run-openwrt-expose-gpios << similar, but more mass-produced [21:06]
assbot $15 AsiaRF AWM002 & AWM003 Wi-Fi Modules Run OpenWRT, Expose GPIOs ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnPrLq ) [21:06]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: my 0.7.2 node took 2 or 3 weeks to full sync << no he's right, it's what it used to be. [21:07]
* asciilifeform not thrilled with the wireless thing, but it seems to be inescapable in small embedded crapatrons [21:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what happens if you short the antenna of a wifi device ? [21:07]
mircea_popescu fixed ? [21:07]
asciilifeform you don't actually have to open & mutilate, just don't include it in kernel [21:08]
asciilifeform node is not a reactor, if thing sits on bus and listens for doomsday signal from enemy, it'll do what? [21:08]
mircea_popescu no, no [21:08]
mircea_popescu if it has any magic packet business, it'll come wiereless. [21:09]
asciilifeform then pull the internal antenna [21:09]
mircea_popescu short all the things! [21:09]
BingoBoingo * asciilifeform not thrilled with the wireless thing, but it seems to be inescapable in small embedded crapatrons << There's probably a role somewhere for a kind of node with it. Plugged in at "Free Wifi" coffee shop or library. connects to open network, changes MAC address when booted from network. Has script to handled shrink wrap license pages when encountered. [21:09]
asciilifeform how it will behave shorted will depend on whether designer bothered with safety [21:09]
asciilifeform experiment. [21:10]
asciilifeform wireless cards could in principle be used for forming local meshes, etc. but this is for other folks to study [21:11]
asciilifeform and ideally you'd want one that doesn't dma [21:11]
mircea_popescu writing a proper wifi thing for the new world is not on this year's plate. [21:11]
asciilifeform aha. [21:11]
mircea_popescu great tech, in principle. [21:12]
asciilifeform except the obvious pill is to forget the 802.11 crap and use straight sdr [21:12]
asciilifeform ignoring 'spectrum property' and spread/hopping far and wide, as modern mil. radios do. [21:13]
mircea_popescu yup [21:15]
mircea_popescu exactly that. a pointed disdain of any rule and regulation not gpg signed as so much crud. [21:15]
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the_scourge asciilifeform: that vocore was just crowdfunded recently. i think they fullfilled initial orders sometime in the past year. i didn't know they were mips!! [21:21]
asciilifeform RT5350. [21:22]
the_scourge uh that's a wireless chip? i thought we're talking about cpu. i.e. mips [21:24]
asciilifeform https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Ralink_RT5350 [21:25]
assbot Ralink RT5350 - WikiDevi ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnSR0J ) [21:25]
asciilifeform it's one of those all-in-one soc things. [21:25]
the_scourge >wireless cards could in principle be used for forming local meshes, etc. but this is for other folks to study < as long as cryptography is secure, then it's not urgent. but very interesting [21:25]
the_scourge asciilifeform++ thanks, very interesting bit of kit [21:26]
asciilifeform the_scourge: wai, wat?! if secure crypto were unknown, it then would be more urgent? [21:27]
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the_scourge um if we had no way to secure comms on the wild internet, where layers 1-4 can be listened to by demotists (i wouldn't mind if it was a monarch), [21:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151800 @ 0.00040542 = 61.5428 BTC [+] {3} [21:29]
the_scourge then the only alternative would be meshes [21:30]
asciilifeform the_scourge: but wireless links between streets would then be secure ? [21:30]
the_scourge and WoT to eject untrustworthy nodes [21:30]
the_scourge if it's los, yes [21:30]
the_scourge my guns are all los too [21:30]
asciilifeform secure los exists only in vacuum [21:30]
the_scourge :) funny how that works [21:31]
asciilifeform and not in the vacuum of space, either - there are loose H2 atoms bouncing there [21:31]
asciilifeform might reflect. [21:31]
the_scourge meh [21:31]
mircea_popescu i wonder if one could kickstart an experimental vehicle for space vacuum filtration to extract gold and other rare metals. [21:32]
the_scourge thats and acceptable threat model considering there are HUMANS involved that can fuck up and give away the keys to te kingdom [21:32]
asciilifeform from low orbit usg junk ? [21:32]
mircea_popescu just talk around the math involved, hire the people out of work once gavin gets forgotten about. [21:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, from cranial junk [21:32]
asciilifeform l0l [21:32]
asciilifeform from cranial junk - can extract anything at all. [21:33]
asciilifeform even unobtainium. [21:33]
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the_scourge http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69 < this summarizes nicely every smoke break rant i had at the junior devs onsite today [21:36]
assbot Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnUThj ) [21:36]
mircea_popescu on site of what ? [21:37]
* the_scourge has been desperately trying to avoid learning scheme/Qi for years, fearing never being able to hold a 'productive' contract again [21:37]
the_scourge mircea_popescu: client site [21:37]
the_scourge the one that got ddos'd [21:37]
mircea_popescu client provides its own devs ? [21:37]
the_scourge there are hundreds [21:37]
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the_scourge the team working for me has maybe a dozen and then a massive team in manila that another contractor manages. it's ... depressing [21:38]
the_scourge asciilifeform: you know that mark tarver guy you linked to, are you familiar with his Qi and Chen languages? [21:39]
asciilifeform yes. [21:39]
asciilifeform wasn't impressed. [21:39]
the_scourge if Qi is anything like nix, i would love it forever [21:39]
the_scourge anywhere i can go to get some honest opinions on his work then? [21:40]
asciilifeform iirc tarver eventually gave up and went off to hell knows where. [21:40]
asciilifeform the_scourge: there was, at least in the past, a 'google groups' thing for it. [21:40]
the_scourge :( he's just on a downer! [21:40]
asciilifeform may still be there. [21:40]
the_scourge no, i want critics, not fanboys [21:40]
the_scourge did you do a writeup? i've grepped for such to no avail :( [21:41]
asciilifeform did not. [21:41]
asciilifeform did not find it interesting enough to bother with a writeup. [21:41]
* asciilifeform not a fan of 'pattern matching' languages a la prolog where the operator has no possible way of having the faintest clue what an operation will cost [21:41]
the_scourge right but that's only tru of Qi, not Shen [21:42]
asciilifeform shen had pattern-matching. [21:43]
* the_scourge wonders if a 'pattern matching' language could even be a functional language [21:43]
asciilifeform and even a built-in prolog! [21:43]
asciilifeform just about everything pushed as 'pure functional' (haskell, standard ml, etc.) to a large extent operate via pattern matching [21:44]
the_scourge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shen_(programming_language) < "an integrated fully functional Prolog" hrm you're right about the latter [21:44]
assbot Shen (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnWkfM ) [21:44]
asciilifeform don't take my word for this, look at how they are implemented [21:44]
* the_scourge learned nix over christmas and thought about learning haskell [21:45]
the_scourge i'll have to look at the haskell implementation [21:45]
danielpbarron here's a rough draft of pogo instructions: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-howto.txt / criticisms welcomed! [21:45]
the_scourge although a few things came up when i started looking into it that turned me off haskell [21:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnWB2c ) [21:45]
asciilifeform the tell-tale symptom of a programming language that does far too much behind the scenes is when its users seldom, if ever, study the implementation [21:46]
asciilifeform writing a (demented but functional) c compiler and (very old-fashioned, to the point of braindamage) lisp interp. used to be standard homework assignments [21:47]
the_scourge is perl a pretty good example of what you mean? [21:47]
asciilifeform one such [21:47]
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asciilifeform danielpbarron: this gives you a rather heavyweight linux - with systemd, even. [21:48]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: eventual goal, i dare say, is a fully-automated reflasher that drops in something sane. [21:48]
danielpbarron yeh i'd like to use something other than arch but that's what i've figured out for now [21:48]
the_scourge asciilifeform: would https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_in_Small_Pieces be a good place to start with such excercises? [21:48]
asciilifeform 'buildroot' is the ticket [21:48]
assbot Lisp in Small Pieces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnX3xo ) [21:48]
asciilifeform the_scourge: christian quinniec's book? [21:48]
danielpbarron yeah the instructions at this point are only for advanced users :/ [21:48]
the_scourge asciilifeform: yes [21:48]
asciilifeform heavy but very enlightening work. [21:49]
danielpbarron oh man is it! [21:49]
danielpbarron <3 gentoo [21:49]
the_scourge danielpbarron: nixos has a pretty good balance of minimal and predictable (even for noobs), have you considered that? [21:49]
danielpbarron i get the feeling they intentionally leave things out of their guides to force the user to figure it out [21:49]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron: eventual goal, i dare say, is a fully-automated reflasher that drops in something sane. << quite [21:50]
asciilifeform the_scourge: 'NixOS 14.12 “Caterpillar” has been released, the third stable release branch. It brings Linux 3.14, systemd 217, Glibc 2.20, KDE 4.14.1, and much more.' [21:50]
asciilifeform the_scourge: trololol! [21:50]
mircea_popescu in any case purge that systemd atrocity , as a matter of principle if not necessarily practicality. [21:50]
asciilifeform danielpbarron has probably noticed that pieces of 'systemd' crash every few hrs. on that box [21:50]
danielpbarron i've noticed that it needs constant supervision, yes [21:51]
mircea_popescu it's only to make use of the "much faster boot" [21:51]
the_scourge asciilifeform: if you're implying it's not lightweight, only systemd and the kernel are installed off the bat. and some guys have done work on a systemdless setup [21:51]
asciilifeform at any rate, it pretty much has to be a 'buildroot' script in the end. so as everything ends up in a ro-mountable flash image. [21:51]
mircea_popescu how is poettering to sell a shitty re-implementation of yarvin's pile of crap ? PROCLAIM LOUDLY THAT IT BOOTS FASTLY. [21:51]
asciilifeform the_scourge: we are discussing an embedded system with 128m each of ram and eeprom. [21:52]
mircea_popescu notwithstanding that a) not really and b) a machine's not really supposed to boot anyway [21:52]
danielpbarron i don't care how fast it boot since it shouldn't have to do that more than once (depending on the stability of your electric) [21:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what was the curtis yarvin brand of systemd called ? i forget ? [21:52]
mircea_popescu quux ? [21:52]
asciilifeform mr mold did not, last i heard, ever publish anything analogous to systemd [21:53]
mircea_popescu urbit [21:53]
mircea_popescu o ya ? what's urbit ? [21:53]
asciilifeform had a perverse functional-programming master's thesis disguised as an open source project, yes [21:53]
asciilifeform urbit. [21:54]
mircea_popescu https://www.popehat.com/2013/12/06/nock-hoon-etc-for-non-vulcans-why-urbit-matters/ << lulzy vintage. [21:54]
the_scourge urbit is yarvin's thing [21:54]
asciilifeform (for n00bz: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 ) [21:54]
assbot Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnXY0T ) [21:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform indulge me : tries to take over everything ? check. crashes all the time ? check. two matches, good enough. [21:54]
* asciilifeform followed project for a while before it was publicly advertised [21:54]
mircea_popescu this is even skipping the "ambitious nobody proponent with a history of failure up to that point" [21:55]
asciilifeform it actually has a closer resemblance to the perverse programming languages discussed earlier in this thread, than to systemd [21:55]
mircea_popescu i would imagine alsa is uncontroversially a massive failure on poettering's scoreboard. [21:55]
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asciilifeform alsa almost works. [21:55]
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mircea_popescu exactly my point. [21:56]
the_scourge he did the other one [21:56]
mircea_popescu stuff that almost works for its lifetime is worse than no stuff. [21:56]
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the_scourge alsa was what he tried to replace [21:56]
mircea_popescu iirc there existed an alsa as a kernel module [21:57]
mircea_popescu but then pulseaudio swallowed it. [21:57]
mircea_popescu i guess it'd be sort of dress-rehearsal for systemd [21:57]
asciilifeform iirc there are not yet poetteringisms in the mainline kernel. [21:58]
mircea_popescu "Even in 2014, you cannot use PulseAudio for competetive gaming on Linux. Not that it matters anyway. Even Valve abandoned Linux." [21:58]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is a major point. the death of the linux is not exactly unrelated toi the major disappointment of the money makers. [21:59]
mircea_popescu people tried to get games going on the platform, 2007-8ish to about 2012. it failed. [21:59]
asciilifeform not entirely unconnected with the gpu vendors' behaviour. [22:00]
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mircea_popescu not entirely, no. [22:00]
mircea_popescu also not entirely unconnected with open source peace and love nitwits who far from knowing which necks to squeeze, [22:00]
mircea_popescu don't even realise squeezing necks is what gets things done. [22:01]
mircea_popescu but anyway, yes, it seems the alsa | pulseaudio difference was in fact bitterly preserved. one of those underground wars people like me tend to embarass themselves by not noticing. [22:01]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/02/turbotax-stops-filing-state-tax-returns-due-to-massive-fraud/ [22:02]
assbot TurboTax Stops Filing State Tax Returns Due To Massive Fraud | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DnZ2lA ) [22:02]
mircea_popescu o.O [22:02]
kakobrekla prolly nobody cares but i just checked for fun whats the pogo cost in europe; its 55 dorra. [22:03]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah they run out of stock, not looking like they want to replenish it either. [22:03]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: i distinctly recall seeing this figure here earlier [22:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 17300 @ 0.00093104 = 16.107 BTC [-] {39} [22:03]
kakobrekla ah ok [22:03]
kakobrekla must have missed it [22:03]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: i've been looking into alternatives [22:03]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: thus far, found nothing remotely approaching the bang/buck ratio of pogo [22:04]
asciilifeform further suggesting that the latter was a 'loss leader' all along [22:04]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "breech" => breach [22:04]
kakobrekla only true bezzle can provide [22:05]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Ah, that again. [22:05]
BingoBoingo fxd [22:05]
mircea_popescu dude i really like this qntra thing. about 1/3 of what i hated about the obsolete press were mistakes. being able to go hey x, Y! makes me all fucking warm and fuzzy inside. [22:06]
BingoBoingo lol [22:06]
kakobrekla well personalized news is personalized, doh [22:06]
* BingoBoingo just pines for the day breech will be the correct version more often on qntra. [22:07]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-BK002009.jpg?size=67&uid=a019bd8c-0800-4484-9de2-d5a9a6551b15 << breech [22:07]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That's a nice one [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171057 @ 0.00040832 = 69.846 BTC [+] {4} [22:08]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: turbotax article << see also last night's thread re: identity fraud in usa. [22:09]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It's what inspired taking the piece this direction [22:09]
BingoBoingo On day the phenomenon is in the logs getting discussed, the next it's the angle used to disect a fraud in the news. [22:10]
asciilifeform aha [22:10]
mircea_popescu win-win as they say. [22:10]
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BingoBoingo Reading informs writing. Scholarship 101 [22:11]
the_scourge asciilifeform: where would you recommend someone starting with lispy languages? [22:11]
BingoBoingo brb, going on a bender this weekend. [22:12]
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asciilifeform the_scourge: depends on your objective [22:12]
the_scourge first is to be able to continue (at least for a while) doing my consulting without shooting myself from boredome [22:13]
cazalla ;;later tell bingoboingo fixed 2 spelling mistakes last paragraph [22:13]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:13]
the_scourge that mark tarver article really resonated with me. that pretty much described me to a T.. and still does. it's actually why i ended up doing non-STEM degrees: there is no lack of boredom when you're lost in a library [22:15]
the_scourge second, i'm REALLY REALLY interested in lisp machines [22:15]
the_scourge so, something minimal i guess? scheme is used for embedded stuff i've seen. guile is interesting just 'cause the gnu nix clone uses it [22:16]
asciilifeform -which- lisp machine ? [22:16]
the_scourge personally i'm interested in one that hasn't been made yet [22:16]
mircea_popescu ... you want to code for a machine that doesn't exist ?! [22:17]
asciilifeform the_scourge: get peter kogge's book, then [22:18]
asciilifeform the_scourge: none of the others will be of much help. [22:18]
the_scourge asciilifeform: thanks. historically all i know about is really the AI lab stuff. i went through a phase where i read the jargon book and some more 'original' sources about the AI labs. but this was almost 20 years ago [22:19]
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the_scourge asciilifeform: Architecture of Symbolic Computers < this is the one? [22:22]
asciilifeform it. [22:24]
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* asciilifeform lived in free-standing bldg since may, and only now thought to put it to proper use: plug in subwoofer & setting to max. [22:33]
the_scourge same thing here. i love playing the piano as loud as possible :D [22:37]
the_scourge other than 2 houses across the road, there are no neighbors for over 6 miles in all directions [22:38]
* the_scourge is thinking perhaps he could slowly transition his consulting to clojure development and keep his existing clients [22:39]
trinque glorious clojure [22:40]
* asciilifeform not a fan [22:40]
trinque asciilifeform: too much "magic under hood" as you said? [22:40]
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asciilifeform trinque: if you actually care, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 and http://www.loper-os.org/?p=374 [22:41]
assbot Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1Do48hD ) [22:41]
assbot Loper OS » Of Weighty Matters, or Thumbs Still Down for Clojure. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Do46pS ) [22:41]
asciilifeform trinque: the former was, until recently (and possibly now) among the top 'google' hits for the subject. [22:41]
trinque "I find Clojure revolting. [22:42]
trinque " [22:42]
trinque dis gon be gud [22:42]
asciilifeform if reading the comments, skip straight to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-3383 [22:42]
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asciilifeform short version: 'clojure' is to, say, 'common lisp', as 'ripple' is to bitcoin. [22:43]
asciilifeform a bauble pushed by unrepentantly lying chumpatronicists. [22:43]
asciilifeform it was actually my first exposure to that kind of thing. [22:44]
trinque read both, you're right [22:44]
asciilifeform you know, the folks who walk in with a turd and explain to you that it's 'just the same' as a sausage, but 'more up with the times' [22:44]
trinque what I end up using has a lot to do with "what can I fart a website out in" [22:44]
trinque at least in daily work [22:44]
trinque I've considered trying just sbcl on one side and parenscript on the other [22:45]
trinque but yeah, sausage... turd... [22:45]
asciilifeform parenscript is just a lib for any ordinary cl [22:45]
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asciilifeform this whole 'www' thing never made sense to me. if you can open a socket, you can crap out html [22:46]
asciilifeform so it alone can't possibly justify the use of turdlangs. [22:47]
trinque just depends on how one earns daily bread [22:47]
asciilifeform why does the socket have to be opened using $turdlang ? [22:47]
the_scourge asciilifeform: did you ever use a genera machine? [22:48]
trinque what I'd like is a situation where I'm writing the same language in both a browser and on the server [22:48]
asciilifeform the_scourge: certainly. [22:48]
asciilifeform !s symbolics 3620 [22:48]
assbot 9 results for 'symbolics 3620' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=symbolics+3620 [22:48]
asciilifeform !s opengenera [22:48]
assbot 7 results for 'opengenera' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=opengenera [22:48]
trinque I've seen clojure/clojurescript, cl/parenscript, haskell/fey (and a few others) [22:48]
asciilifeform trinque: this leads to using $retardlang on server end [22:49]
trinque sure, hail satan and pass the node [22:49]
* the_scourge goes to find out what is opengenera and where has it been hiding [22:49]
asciilifeform the_scourge: it's been hiding in northern virginia. [22:49]
trinque my career started during web 2.0 :p [22:49]
asciilifeform and a small piece in cambridge, ma [22:49]
asciilifeform the_scourge: don't be fooled by the word 'open' [22:49]
trinque asciilifeform: does cl fall under $retardlang too? [22:50]
trinque ye gods, no firm ground to stand upon [22:50]
asciilifeform trinque: how do you propose to have the browser end run cl? [22:50]
trinque doesn't the parenscript compiler eat cl and poop js? [22:51]
asciilifeform trinque: so you're actually using js. you will notice this, because the cl subset that can be thus eaten/shat is microscopic [22:51]
trinque ah [22:51]
trinque asciilifeform: same situation as reaching out to Java in clojure then [22:51]
asciilifeform the_scourge: the 'open' in 'opengenera' is an archaic 1980s usg-ism. it simply refers to the fact that a product features industry-standard protocols like tcp/ip and does not require you to buy the entire universe you live in from one particular vendor. [22:52]
* the_scourge is back, dissapointed [22:52]
the_scourge so it's just genera 2.0? [22:52]
asciilifeform has nothing whatsoever to do with source being publicly available, or the product being distributed free of charge [22:52]
asciilifeform technically symbolics had no name for their os until opengenera was put on the market. [22:53]
* the_scourge did find this: https://github.com/ynniv/opengenera while he was gone. seems worth of bookmarking for later [22:53]
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the_scourge oh, i thought it was just called genera [22:53]
asciilifeform the_scourge: that's merely a script for setting up the unofficial amd64 binary to run under a modern linux. [22:53]
asciilifeform the binary is a w4r3z blob, and occasionally distributed with the pirated source. [22:54]
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* trinque has very little idea where to start in terms of choosing a sane programming environment with which to make bezzlars [22:54]
asciilifeform the source - not for the amd64 blob. [22:54]
asciilifeform but for the original os [22:54]
asciilifeform there is no public source for opengenera (either for dec alpha or amd64) [22:54]
asciilifeform nor is it included with a purchase. [22:55]
the_scourge what do they charge for a copy [22:55]
asciilifeform when i bought - $5k usd. [22:55]
asciilifeform call, ask. [22:55]
the_scourge just when i was starting to think esr and rms didn't have a point. maybe they did [22:55]
asciilifeform the source for the dec/amd64 emulator is not sold. [22:55]
the_scourge exactly [22:56]
asciilifeform the_scourge: in the days of rms, symbolics corp. sold machines. the cheapest started at about the cost of a single-propeller airplane. [22:56]
asciilifeform 5k in modern american money is pocket change in comparison. [22:56]
the_scourge actually i take it back, the problems here were probably not market-based, but more cultural (and lack of appropriate customers) [22:56]
the_scourge asciilifeform: i'm not saying it's exorbant - just expressing dissapointment [22:57]
* trinque grows to suspect that there is not a programming environment asciilifeform likes [22:58]
the_scourge trinque: he like vimscript. a lot! :) [22:58]
trinque lol [22:58]
asciilifeform wat [22:58]
* asciilifeform has never seen 'vimscript' [22:58]
trinque tis butt [22:59]
trinque little imperative scripty guy, nothing special [23:00]
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trinque I'd put more money on asciilifeform being an emacs guy, but not because he likes emacs [23:00]
asciilifeform no need to guess [23:00]
asciilifeform it's all in the logs. [23:01]
the_scourge asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69 < broken link [23:01]
assbot Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kznq3N ) [23:01]
the_scourge this works: https://web.archive.org/web/20080223010634/http://www.eng.uwaterloo.ca/~ejones/writing/systemsresearch.html [23:01]
asciilifeform the_scourge: loads fine. [23:01]
asciilifeform aha pike's [23:02]
the_scourge no, the link to .. yah [23:02]
asciilifeform when i explain to folks why i dislike programming on available systems, i sometimes use example that it is rather like being a fellow who likes gardening, but there was a thermonuclear war not long ago, and you gotta sift the soil with sapper's spade in one hand, geiger in the other, and there won't be much sunlight to be had either. [23:03]
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trinque http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+emacs << some lols in here [23:04]
assbot 36 results for 'from:asciilifeform emacs' - #bitcoin-assets search [23:04]
trinque I recently mapped my f keys to load projects in emacs and appropriate window layouts in stumpwm [23:04]
trinque rules. [23:05]
the_scourge asciilifeform: can i get a blow by blow on what historical event was this allegorical thermonuclear war? [23:05]
asciilifeform the_scourge: no. [23:05]
asciilifeform it would be either a crock of shit, or book-length [23:06]
trinque the_scourge: he already blogged it all [23:06]
the_scourge "I estimate that 90-95% of the work in Plan 9 was directly or indirectly to honor externally imposed standards." < wow that is really sad... and ... is there a solution? [23:06]
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asciilifeform the_scourge: yes, there is. [23:06]
asciilifeform !s year zero [23:07]
assbot 28 results for 'year zero' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=year+zero [23:07]
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the_scourge needs quotes :) looking now [23:10]
the_scourge soviet open hardware? wut really? [23:12]
the_scourge !s gossip [23:13]
assbot 49 results for 'gossip' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gossip [23:13]
asciilifeform 'more things in heaven and earth... than are dreamt of in your philosophy.' [23:13]
the_scourge and that search needs a d at the end ^ (for anyone following along at home) [23:13]
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the_scourge asciilifeform: i don't know what 'things' are, and i don't know what philosophy means [23:14]
the_scourge *'philosophy' [23:15]
asciilifeform if you recognize neither the words, nor where they apply here, i'm powerless to help. [23:15]
the_scourge is gossipd this psycd-like symetrically encrypted UDP IM protocol? [23:15]
asciilifeform 'year zero' simply refers to a reset, where you forget that a given field even has a history (except as an encyclopaedia of what not to do.) [23:16]
the_scourge but then doesn't it ruin the excercise? [23:17]
the_scourge intuition is destroyed. creativity ruined. because we're tyring so hard to not do what we are misconceited as what went wrong? [23:17]
the_scourge speaking of greenfield, what was the reason for greenfielding a re-implementation of psycd? (assuming gossipd has already been written) [23:18]
asciilifeform what exercise. [23:18]
asciilifeform the_scourge: because the similarity is superficial. [23:19]
asciilifeform psycd is a cancerous monstrosity. [23:20]
the_scourge well it depends on which implementation you're speaking of [23:21]
asciilifeform any and all. [23:21]
the_scourge there are a dozen i think. 2 of them named psycd [23:21]
asciilifeform the name normally refers to the ancient thing based on 'gnunet'. [23:22]
the_scourge you sound confident. what if i told you there was a psyc daemon implemented in 15 lines of common lisp? :) [23:22]
asciilifeform post. [23:22]
asciilifeform the 15 lines also contain rsa? [23:22]
asciilifeform the socket handler? [23:23]
asciilifeform the_scourge: bullshit is not welcome in #b-a. [23:23]
the_scourge no, sorry i wasn't bullshitting. i'm just trying to point out implementation vs architecture [23:24]
the_scourge 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na < funny, that's one of the reason i've avoided [23:24]
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the_scourge i assumed it was poor design and useless academics who'd never had to do a hard day's work in their lives. perhaps it is a shit test? [23:25]
asciilifeform the_scourge: poor design for folks used to ibm's (yes, originally their) traditional key chords. [23:26]
asciilifeform yes, it is possible to bolt them onto emacs. but few people do. [23:26]
trinque evil mode + leader bindings [23:27]
trinque that's the stuff [23:27]
the_scourge well i'm paying myself paternity leave coming up soon so i'll learn emacs. haven't had a chance for a bit of time in a while [23:27]
asciilifeform most folks who lack the mental flexibility to relearn five or six key commands, would not benefit from emacs, and (if they are aware of its existence at all) - know it. and avoid. [23:27]
trinque space as leader has done wonders for my hands [23:27]
the_scourge trinque: thanks i'll try that [23:28]
trinque f -> C-x C-f [23:28]
trinque I also have esc as right alt [23:28]
trinque easily thumb-pressed on this keyboard [23:29]
the_scourge asciilifeform: i get remapping caps and ctrl, but it still means you're having to combine keystrokes which is always painful to watch [23:29]
trinque chords really suck [23:29]
asciilifeform painful to watch << such as... ? [23:29]
the_scourge as opposed to combinations which are clearly natural. they are idiomatic so the brain groks them more, and the fingers do them easier [23:30]
the_scourge any time you are holding down one key and pressing another is painful. even the shift is an example of this [23:30]
the_scourge i've noticed you don't capitalize a lot of the time [23:30]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816658 [23:30]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 22:56:02; asciilifeform: 'the only 'intuitive' interface is the tit - everything after that is learned.' [23:30]
the_scourge no one does [23:30]
the_scourge ever. [23:30]
the_scourge because, it's painful [23:31]
asciilifeform no. [23:31]
asciilifeform because slow. [23:31]
the_scourge you type all the letters in your words [23:31]
the_scourge never seen you say 'cause or 'c u later' [23:32]
trinque leader bindings are as fast as you type [23:32]
the_scourge er, whatever [23:32]
trinque and faster than chords because no stretch to the modifier [23:32]
the_scourge trinque: yes, i agree [23:32]
asciilifeform if you have healthy hands, decent input devices, it is possible to do such surprising things as speaking in complete words. [23:32]
the_scourge asciilifeform: which proves my point [23:33]
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asciilifeform what was the point? [23:33]
the_scourge complete words = idioms. leaders. sequences. [23:33]
the_scourge they are not painful [23:33]
asciilifeform that chords are intrinsically unhealthy somehow? [23:33]
the_scourge well i've seen a lot of gnarled old hands. all of them told me it was chording that did it [23:34]
asciilifeform see naggum's observation. [23:34]
the_scourge yes, these were people who had always had it remapped [23:35]
asciilifeform ipso facto poorly. [23:35]
trinque meh bindings are pretty personal [23:35]
trinque who cares if it works [23:35]
asciilifeform or rather, this is not unlike the observation that everybody at the cemetary is there 'because' they breathed air. [23:35]
asciilifeform yes, technically - they are. [23:35]
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the_scourge bindings are a really personal thing. i just hope that i can learn emacs and manage to use leaders for everything, that's all :) [23:36]
trinque nubbins' next book will be one of asciilifeform's koans [23:37]
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the_scourge i need to head off... this weekend i'm going to look into the parallella. i'm curious if a symbolics machine could be implemented in it's FPGA [23:40]
trinque the_scourge: cya [23:42]
asciilifeform !rate the_scourge -2 dear usg, please send better clowns; the cheap ones are growing tiresome. [23:42]
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asciilifeform ^ and the_scourge, don't bother pm-ing. killfiled. [23:43]
* danielpbarron had a similar feeling [23:43]
asciilifeform i hope they send him off to wherever they demoted ninjashogun to. [23:44]
trinque asciilifeform: think he's reading logs and fishing? [23:44]
asciilifeform !down the_scourge [23:44]
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asciilifeform trinque: i suppose anyone here who hasn't killfiled, will learn the answer. [23:45]
asciilifeform i - can't be bothered. [23:45]
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mircea_popescu well, job's a job. back in whatever on a new one. [23:45]
asciilifeform their 'watercooler' conversations must be golden. [23:45]
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asciilifeform the last straw was the bugger 'shannonizing' my www. i wonder if there's some 'person' that this genuinely works on. [23:47]
asciilifeform 'omg1111!!111 i am so interested in xxxxxxxx tell me moar' [23:47]
asciilifeform note to future stooges, moles: take some actual care to be distinguishable from comment spam on our www sites [23:48]
* mircea_popescu idly wonders what'd a world look like where gavinesque insanities actually made sense. "have everyone's coffee purchases validated by everyone and preserved forever". [23:48]
asciilifeform interesting idiots are sometimes (temporarily) tolerated. tedious idiots - never. [23:48]
mircea_popescu yottabytes all over, but perhaps something like nock (in principle, not what was proposed) ? [23:49]
trinque I try to only ask a few stupid questions a day :P [23:49]
asciilifeform even the nock stack posited local caching for trivialities [23:49]
asciilifeform rather than a global record of every 1+1. [23:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but imagine data storage literally was not an issue. [23:49]
asciilifeform o(n) addition was also 'not an issue' [23:49]
mircea_popescu and global record of 1+1 was trivial. perhaps on a machine much akin to physical reality : the result of mixing milk and water is stored for everyone to see - they need but look [23:49]
mircea_popescu there's of course a finite number of photons that saw it, but w/e man. [23:50]
asciilifeform global record in the sense of every instance [23:50]
mircea_popescu interesting how qm actually clips the graph there huh. [23:50]
asciilifeform !s hashlife [23:50]
assbot 4 results for 'hashlife' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hashlife [23:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform technically speaking, the milk and water mixing IS recorded in ever yinstance. [23:50]
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asciilifeform ^ compression of spacetime via 'memoization'. this is more or less how one would implement toy universes. [23:51]
mircea_popescu trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from. [23:51]
asciilifeform there was even an old sf story which posited that various microscopic physical limit phenomena result from the emulator shaving cycles in this manner. [23:51]
mircea_popescu as 1 goes up and 2 goes down there's at some critical point after which a man is taking his voice in his hands. [23:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform possibly. in this sense, the ultimate engine/life form would be one that lives somehow off the shaving. [23:52]
asciilifeform like the bank thief who pockets rounding errors. [23:52]
trinque mircea_popescu: hard to get taught anything if you're fighting the teacher [23:52]
trinque well, taught what you're after [23:53]
asciilifeform (incidentally, american banks learned from the 'salami' case and now do it SOP.) [23:53]
mircea_popescu ayup [23:53]
trinque if I ever make it out of the gravity well I'd love to get an actual education. [23:53]
mircea_popescu actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value. [23:54]
* asciilifeform was actually rather surprised to be let out last time [23:54]
trinque my grandfather still gets hassled at the border for "american party" involvement back in the day [23:55]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron "You can throw out the packaging and manual; we won't be needing those." << gotta love the justifiable pride the most serene republic's flag elates out of people. [23:55]
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danielpbarron i should add more stuff like that so it isn't all command line copy paste [23:59]
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