Forum logs for 06 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation asciilifeform: why with the 'against the nazis'? not exactly a difficult sell [00:00]
asciilifeform 'remember, paul, 1940?' 'sure! we were in france! took everything that fit in our hands!' 'ah, i still had hands then!' 'and remember when we ran from stalingrad?' 'ah, i still had legs then!' [00:00]
trinque lol [00:01]
trinque it is interesting to see that defeating the nazis was such a point of pride even in 85 [00:02]
asciilifeform is now still. [00:02]
trinque pic of the guy wrenching open the swastika jail cell window [00:02]
asciilifeform will be in 2050. [00:02]
trinque for example [00:02]
decimation this reminds me of that 'anti-nazi' article I found in the frankfurter zeitung [00:02]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2015#1025516 "nothing feels as good as fighting rightists [00:03]
assbot Logged on 20-02-2015 03:02:21; decimation: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/kampf-gegen-rechts-ein-volk-von-antifaschisten-13429214.html < "Nichts tut so gut wie das Gefühl, gegen Rechts zu kämpfen." [00:03]
mircea_popescu " As such, 5 of the 56 field offices operated by the FBI currently lack a computer scientist assigned to that office's Cyber Task Force." [00:03]
asciilifeform trinque: the article on that page concerns a sapper [00:03]
mircea_popescu ok, i lolled. [00:03]
mircea_popescu wtf is it they do again ? [00:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226912 [00:03]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 02:42:31; asciilifeform: that's still 2x the market rate for a chimp who clicks a mouse to run 'EnCase' [00:03]
BingoBoingo yes, in general the rednecks don't give a fuck (rightly so) << Not just lack of giving a fuck, lack of need to give a fuck [00:04]
decimation BingoBoingo: it's kinda like how the zimbabwaen tribes are now gonna have stories about why white people root for the lions that eat them [00:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91300 @#64; 0.0005582 = 50.9637 BTC [+] {3} [00:06]
BingoBoingo decimation: Any decent Rhodesian tribe is going to kill the lion [00:06]
trinque asciilifeform: is this one on page 13 with the american flag on a cloud about "yankees think they can own everything" or something? [00:06]
BingoBoingo Just they unlike the Dentist will use an AK instead of a bow. [00:06]
asciilifeform trinque: caption: 'pardon me, my dear, but you are in a strategically-important area!' [00:07]
decimation BingoBoingo: sure, but the problem remains: why are distant strangers on the lion's side? [00:07]
trinque asciilifeform: hah, cool [00:07]
asciilifeform decimation: because 'cute kitteh' [00:07]
BingoBoingo !b 6 [00:07]
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BingoBoingo decimation: My guess is they melt for giant kitteh forgetting they killed all of their giant fittehs [00:08]
BingoBoingo *kittehs [00:08]
decimation I suggest anyone who is against lion-hunting: go help guard the lions (without weapons) in their territory. when the lion eats your leg as you sleep, you will know he is doing it with appreciation [00:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67250 @#64; 0.00052451 = 35.2733 BTC [-] {9} [00:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226951 << very valid point. where's the actual satire ? [00:10]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 02:54:26; decimation: yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb' [00:10]
asciilifeform see thread. [00:10]
mircea_popescu the malnourished, inept population of the coast towns is so fucking ridiculous it'd be rather easy. [00:10]
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decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141372 < ascii perhaps they secretly fantasize about being wounded/killed by the very lions they wish to 'save' [00:11]
assbot Logged on 21-05-2015 04:09:48; asciilifeform: where believer is invited to picture himself as blind from birth street urchin etc [00:11]
BingoBoingo http://www.emirates247.com/offbeat/crazy-world/groom-sues-bride-for-not-looking-pretty-without-make-up-2015-08-03-1.598962 [00:12]
assbot Groom sues bride for not looking pretty without make-up - Emirates 24|7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4yAgk ) [00:12]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema cancerous fags [00:12]
gribble Trilterviuri on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; July 2014 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Ken Park on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: [00:12]
mircea_popescu dude google's useless. [00:12]
asciilifeform decimation: doubt that it's as complicated as all that. probably just straight mental mapping of the lion in the washington zoo, or even in some cartoon, to the real thing [00:12]
asciilifeform as pictured in mircea_popescu's old article [00:13]
asciilifeform (linked earlier today) [00:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is gonna love this one, http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/05/first-ever-latin-america-bitcoin-conference-held-in-buenos-aires [00:13]
assbot First-Ever Latin America Bitcoin Conference Held in Buenos Aires - NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4yF3D ) [00:14]
BingoBoingo decimation: doubt that it's as complicated as all that. probably just straight mental mapping of the lion in the washington zoo, or even in some cartoon, to the real thing << Last time I went to St Louis zoo they had balding malnourished lions. Surprised local bangers didn't take them as bait for training their pitbulls. [00:14]
mircea_popescu lmao [00:14]
mircea_popescu first time i hear about this. consequently, i shan't be going. [00:14]
mircea_popescu imagine, the retards. [00:14]
asciilifeform remember, FIRST! [00:15]
asciilifeform EVER! [00:15]
asciilifeform l0l [00:15]
decimation I was reading another article somewhere - thier point was that if trophy-hunting whites stop coming to hunt lions because of this bullshit, they are not going to keep the wildlife reserves [00:15]
mircea_popescu now you know what it feels like to be a cool kid, asciilifeform >D [00:15]
decimation thus, farms encroach, tribes kill lion - result: no more lions [00:15]
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asciilifeform decimation: same place tiger went [00:16]
asciilifeform (the animal survives largely in... chinese farms. where their cock meat is harvested, no shit.) [00:16]
mircea_popescu "Then the 18 bits of the GA144. Don't be impressed. It is a stupid design error. At the time 18 bits static memory chips where in fashion." << i happen top buy this btw. [00:16]
mircea_popescu i was unimpressed reading about it originally, and i stay unimpressed. [00:16]
asciilifeform wai wut [00:17]
asciilifeform the two extra bitz are for parity, wat [00:17]
asciilifeform 1 per bt [00:17]
asciilifeform byte [00:18]
mircea_popescu yes yes. [00:18]
decimation "The only reason I did it was THAT COLORFORTH JUST DIDN'T RUN ON THE THREE MACHINES I HAD AVAILABLE." < my experience too [00:18]
mircea_popescu and ALSO, i buy the theory that the principal reason chuck moore is mentioned by name is a successful eight digit settlement iwth intel [00:18]
mircea_popescu rather than some sort of technical accomplishment per se. [00:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: love him or hate, his toolchain is winblows and x86 - free, from the ore to the register. [00:19]
asciilifeform and otherpeoplescode-free [00:19]
asciilifeform which to me is alpha and omega. [00:19]
mircea_popescu i don't either, really. [00:19]
asciilifeform everything in mircea_popescu's room that is eating mains current was CADed under winblowz [00:19]
decimation asciilifeform: I thought 'colorforth' was written for winblows [00:20]
mircea_popescu but you know, just because you like a girl's tits is no cause to think she's got the worlds best hairdo. [00:20]
asciilifeform 100 dollars to doughnuts [00:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you lose, i got your own damned rng chips here. [00:20]
asciilifeform decimation: afaik is descendant of original (nameless?) that is contemporary with cp/m [00:20]
BingoBoingo !b 7 [00:20]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: golden turd runs winblowz [00:20]
mircea_popescu cad-ed you sed. [00:20]
decimation yeah I guess it runs on 'bare pentium' too [00:20]
asciilifeform and, though i do not, the folks who built my machines - did [00:21]
mircea_popescu so ? [00:21]
asciilifeform so unclean. [00:21]
mircea_popescu not the contention. [00:21]
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mircea_popescu i made 100 bucks today! BETTING! [00:21]
asciilifeform also gotta point out that the $redacted analogue ic on the rng was prolly baked in a cn fab [00:21]
asciilifeform running guess what. [00:21]
BingoBoingo i made 100 bucks today! BETTING! On what? [00:22]
asciilifeform not saying that this brings in the breath of satan, but in point of fact moore achieved escape from this orbit [00:22]
decimation heh apparently chuck moore made a mint suing intel over patent stuff [00:22]
asciilifeform by ~himself~ [00:22]
asciilifeform decimation: aha, and used the money to buy atomic dirigible [00:22]
asciilifeform (i.e. fab) [00:22]
decimation sure, but doesn't seem to be getting much traction [00:22]
asciilifeform precisely what i would do in his position [00:22]
mircea_popescu not really realised much of the settlement, from what i gather, but nevertheless, people love to dream. [00:22]
asciilifeform decimation: he doesn't give a damn about traction. he built that thing for archaeologists. [00:23]
asciilifeform same as i would. [00:23]
asciilifeform (i would build different device, yes. but same basic idea) [00:23]
decimation yes and in this he appears to have succeeded [00:23]
asciilifeform fits-in-fucking-head. [00:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: most of the settlement, if indeed there was one and it is not disinfo - went, as always and without exception it does, to the bloodsuckers [00:24]
asciilifeform (lawyers) [00:24]
mircea_popescu right [00:24]
asciilifeform what remained was - apparently - enough to bake some si [00:24]
decimation asciilifeform: one wonders what could be done with an 'intel-class' (14 nm) chip which contains 2^20 little 'stack machines' [00:25]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: most of the settlement, if indeed there was one and it is not disinfo - went, as always and without exception it does, to the bloodsuckers << This is why if misdemeanor if not dismissed at hearing I intend to fire lawyer. [00:25]
asciilifeform though i will add that moore operated for decades as a successful consultant, a la the pdp emulator fella [00:25]
asciilifeform plenty of heavy industrial (as in water-in-the-tap, not google et al whores) customers [00:25]
asciilifeform decimation: imho this is not the correct application for forth, and moore went profoundly wrong in going that way [00:26]
asciilifeform it is for ~simplicity~ [00:26]
asciilifeform like kalash [00:26]
asciilifeform picture 'what could be done' with a kalash with 2^20 barrels, aha. [00:26]
asciilifeform defeats the purpose of self existing. [00:26]
decimation there does appear to be some problems with his toolchain with 'scaling' to that many cores [00:26]
asciilifeform why? [00:26]
decimation there's mention of having to write some code 'single threaded' instead of using all the cores on the chip [00:26]
decimation for simplicity [00:27]
asciilifeform hm [00:27]
asciilifeform ask him, not me [00:27]
* asciilifeform not aficionado of 'greenarrays' [00:27]
decimation I'm merely reinforcing your point [00:27]
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mircea_popescu "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface." [00:27]
asciilifeform but if anyone presently alive could fab a muller gate fpga, it is probably moore. [00:27]
mircea_popescu i'd be veri curious to see a forth implementation of eulora client. [00:27]
mircea_popescu what's his "i'm game" mean ? [00:28]
mircea_popescu (granted, an 80 yo man, i'm not serving a challenge - merely wondering) [00:28]
asciilifeform bad example [00:28]
asciilifeform has to interface with megatonnes of c-machine os crud [00:28]
decimation asciilifeform: I wish he would have made a slightly-more function version of this thing http://www.excamera.com/sphinx/fpga-j1.html [00:29]
asciilifeform (not that one cannot do this, per se, in a forth of some description. but most of the bulk would consist of glue) [00:29]
assbot The J1 Forth CPU — excamera ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4zb1F ) [00:29]
asciilifeform decimation: aha, ditto [00:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform for all i care he can make it work on a forth machine [00:29]
mircea_popescu i thought this forth thing works "on its own os" ? [00:29]
mircea_popescu !up n6 [00:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he doesn't make gpu [00:29]
-assbot- You voiced n6 for 30 minutes. [00:29]
* assbot gives voice to n6 [00:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i would take text based. [00:29]
asciilifeform what means 'text based' for a game with 3d figures ? [00:30]
mircea_popescu anything he wishes. [00:30]
asciilifeform a la the 'ascii starwars' ? [00:30]
mircea_popescu as long as the point is conveyed, it is conveyed. [00:30]
mircea_popescu i thought this is what forth is all about ? [00:30]
mircea_popescu "give me the specs" the man says. i have. [00:30]
asciilifeform https://archive.org/details/msdos_ASCII_DOOM_1999 [00:30]
assbot ASCII DOOM : Free Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4zcCK ) [00:30]
asciilifeform ^ obligatory [00:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform for all i care he can put it in narrative form on the fly. [00:30]
mircea_popescu i would pay to see this. perhaps not "enough". but still. [00:31]
asciilifeform i would pay to see eiffel tower made of dead gavins. [00:31]
asciilifeform perhaps 'not enough' though [00:32]
mircea_popescu looky. [00:32]
mircea_popescu at some point the hot talk has to be backed. [00:32]
mircea_popescu man wants a challenge, man insists it's lalala-freefoprm and whatnot. fine. [00:32]
asciilifeform moore incidentally isn't much of a talker [00:32]
mircea_popescu here's the challenge, here's the freeform. [00:32]
asciilifeform he... does. [00:32]
mircea_popescu i was using direct quotes. [00:32]
decimation "you find yourself in a maze of twist passages, all the same" [00:32]
asciilifeform his factory runs, churns out his iron, designed on his iron, runs his soft, that he wrote. [00:33]
asciilifeform ask him if he has regrets as he dies, or not. [00:33]
BingoBoingo man wants a challenge, man insists it's lalala-freefoprm and whatnot. fine. << 1830's were worst decade in US for this reason. Mississippi River sandbars used to be ideal for this purpose. Then state lines drawn in water. [00:33]
mircea_popescu if this forth thing is so great, a program to interact with eulora server and convey the results to a human should be make-able. [00:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha [00:33]
mircea_popescu if it isn't, something's fundamentally broken in the entire "forth anything" claims. [00:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: good exercise for someone who isn't me [00:33]
decimation sure, it could be done [00:33]
mircea_popescu and yes, i would ghuess the whole pile as it stands atm is just about 1mn loc [00:33]
* asciilifeform feels distinct sense of being led into perdition [00:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not you in any case. [00:34]
asciilifeform plz not me [00:34]
asciilifeform but studentz! [00:34]
mircea_popescu deffo. [00:34]
decimation right now the only folks who 'can do' have 1 mn loc C++ shit driving a massive complex custom chip [00:34]
mircea_popescu anyone but you. [00:34]
n6 The bot is giving me a otp for a subkey 3594E367, that I can't decrypt but its telling me Key 05D01131 is what its sending me im at a loss for how to fix this can anyone help? [00:34]
asciilifeform wake up students. [00:34]
mircea_popescu !gettrust n6 [00:34]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user n6: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=n6 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/n6/ [00:34]
mircea_popescu is your key 08D9FFEA07653167CF49191B977815A105D01131 ? [00:35]
BingoBoingo https://41.media.tumblr.com/6b4da6eebc5ba255323dd7618c83b902/tumblr_nskrtmg5JC1sre2w4o1_540.jpg [00:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOt30H ) [00:35]
n6 yes. [00:35]
mircea_popescu do a ! command [00:35]
mircea_popescu like !rate mircea_popescu 1 or something [00:35]
mircea_popescu so we see what it tells you [00:35]
n6 !rate mircea_popescu 1 nice blog [00:35]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7994cda8f311fc95 [00:35]
mircea_popescu gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 3594E367 [00:36]
mircea_popescu weird. [00:36]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla any idea ? [00:36]
n6 Would revoking the key fix this? [00:37]
BingoBoingo No [00:37]
mircea_popescu no, don't do that. [00:37]
n6 But its a subkey of the 05D01131 [00:37]
mircea_popescu uh [00:38]
BingoBoingo Seriously needs to go to ButtFuckyag mines https://41.media.tumblr.com/6b4da6eebc5ba255323dd7618c83b902/tumblr_nskrtmg5JC1sre2w4o1_540.jpg [00:38]
mircea_popescu so then why can't you decrypot wioth it ? [00:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOt30H ) [00:38]
n6 I'm not sure says no prviate key, but I thought this was an encrypt only key? at a loss [00:38]
asciilifeform encrypt-only key?!!! [00:38]
asciilifeform aka 'someone else's pubkey' ? [00:39]
mircea_popescu wtf is an encrypt only key [00:39]
mircea_popescu you mean sign only ? [00:39]
n6 yes. [00:39]
n6 I have the private key for the main ID 05D01131 but not 3594E367 [00:39]
mircea_popescu how did you end up with a pubkey-only key ?! [00:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39950 @#64; 0.00053096 = 21.2119 BTC [+] {3} [00:40]
mircea_popescu and whyt do you imagien you can revoke a key if you don't have its privkey [00:40]
n6 I'm not sure. [00:41]
asciilifeform calling mr babbage! [00:41]
decimation lulz [00:41]
asciilifeform '...I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.' [00:41]
mircea_popescu n6 so do you know how it ended up there then ? [00:42]
n6 No. [00:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4738 @#64; 0.0005438 = 2.5765 BTC [+] [00:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform suppose one day sks servers list a random key for you too ? [00:43]
BingoBoingo Fuck I am not drunk enough for this shit. [00:44]
mircea_popescu anyway i think assbot should always use the main not some random subkey [00:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i entirely expect they will [00:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and you, and you [00:45]
mircea_popescu well so then. [00:45]
n6 Where do I go from here? [00:45]
mircea_popescu n6 gotta wait for kako to come on and see wtf. [00:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44700 @#64; 0.00053158 = 23.7616 BTC [-] {6} [00:45]
mircea_popescu but needless to say this is not a normal state for your key. [00:45]
BingoBoingo Can't even pretend to ISIS http://www.wsmv.com/story/29717483/active-shooter-reported-at-antioch-theater [00:46]
assbot Police: Suspect reported dead at Nashville area theater - WSMV Channel 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOtOqA ) [00:46]
trinque airsoft gun lol [00:46]
trinque "you'll shoot your eye out!" [00:46]
decimation how is it possible for someone else to add a subkey? isn't it signed by the main key? [00:47]
n6 Should have been more careful with my keys this seems like user error on my end rather then somehting wrong with the bot. Why can't I just revoke the subkey with the sec key from the main key? [00:48]
decimation because the sks server will keep your revoked key forever [00:48]
decimation I'm not sure which one assbot will pick to auth [00:49]
asciilifeform 'The Global Mall, which is located next to the theater, was placed on lock down during the active shooter situation. The Ford Ice Center was also placed on lock down and remained closed for the rest of the day.' [00:49]
asciilifeform ^ 'lockdown' is originally an american prison term [00:49]
asciilifeform and means precisely same thing [00:50]
decimation heh yeah that's a good point [00:50]
decimation the media often uses phrases like that [00:50]
asciilifeform not a mediatron phrase [00:50]
decimation wtf does it mean to have a mall on 'lockdown'? [00:50]
decimation like, don't leave so you can be shot too? [00:50]
asciilifeform actually used in Official communications [00:50]
asciilifeform aha, precisely [00:50]
trinque probably shutting all the gates for the stores [00:50]
asciilifeform nobody in, nobody out. [00:50]
asciilifeform ~nobody out~ [00:51]
asciilifeform btw this is also done when a lizard (or lizard fellator) is passing through town [00:51]
trinque we had "lockdown" in my shitty Florida middle school [00:51]
asciilifeform e.g., restaurants in dc [00:51]
trinque for brawls, weapon situations, etc [00:51]
asciilifeform won't let patrons in ~or out~ when bushamamobile [00:51]
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asciilifeform or when cheney/biden is eating [00:51]
asciilifeform across the street [00:51]
trinque as a child with books in his home I remember being quite surprised that this was a thing [00:52]
asciilifeform which this [00:52]
trinque being bussed to a school full of black kids eating each other, more or less [00:52]
asciilifeform ah [00:52]
asciilifeform been in one too [00:52]
decimation as a kid in the early 90's I don't remember this being a thing [00:52]
decimation lockdowns [00:53]
asciilifeform no lockdowns though [00:53]
trinque depends on the gang situation in your town [00:53]
asciilifeform these were introduced after the columbine incident [00:53]
trinque orcs at this school were fully grown in terms of their fucking, fighting and stealing capacity [00:53]
asciilifeform i did attend a school which as a result of the latter forbade... backpacks. [00:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @#64; 0.00055892 = 20.68 BTC [+] [00:53]
asciilifeform http://www.wsmv.com/story/29714858/backfire-or-gunfire-authorities-continue-to-piece-together-investigation << linked from same birdcage liner as earlier [00:55]
assbot Backfire or Gunfire? Authorities continue to piece together inve - WSMV Channel 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOuBrJ ) [00:55]
asciilifeform likewise lulzy [00:55]
asciilifeform 'The investigation is ongoing and there is no confirmation as to whether the incident involved was a shooting at all.' [00:55]
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asciilifeform ^^^ ! ^^^ [00:55]
decimation actually why should it be surprising in schools? same wards of the state as the gulag [00:55]
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asciilifeform it isn't surprising. school and prison similarity is a painfully well-documented thing. [00:56]
asciilifeform (see john gatto etc.) [00:56]
trinque asciilifeform: the highschool in my hometown was designed by a prison architect [00:57]
trinque (I went to another due to a magnet program) [00:57]
trinque but the thing was intended to have "no corners to hide in" [00:57]
asciilifeform sop [00:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54783 @#64; 0.00055892 = 30.6193 BTC [+] [00:58]
trinque at any rate, I never suffered under the delusion that the folks around me were any measure of sane [00:59]
* trinque bbl [00:59]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja know that apple made antigravity device !!??!! >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Weight-Saving-Device-for-PowerBook-G3-Lombard-Used-/361350765848?hash=item54222f1d18 << [01:01]
assbot Apple Weight Saving Device for PowerBook G3 "Lombard" Used | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOvaBC ) [01:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I had no idea [01:01]
asciilifeform http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQwMFgxMzM0/z/JzIAAOSwfcVUE2~c/$_57.JPG [01:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOvccP ) [01:01]
asciilifeform why was this discontinued ?! [01:01]
asciilifeform i want ten! [01:01]
decimation lolz. I assume it's a 'blank spot' for you cd drive maybe? [01:04]
asciilifeform prolly [01:04]
asciilifeform but great name! [01:04]
decimation asciilifeform: are you gonna sell your smbx stuff for $$$ [01:05]
asciilifeform sure [01:05]
asciilifeform but it can't be shipped. [01:05]
asciilifeform so can only be sold if somebody wants to come for it. [01:05]
asciilifeform (or, with reasonable premium, i would deliver) [01:06]
asciilifeform can't even guarantee that it'd survive a car ride [01:06]
asciilifeform (i did have to reseat the boards when took it home) [01:06]
asciilifeform if shipped, thing would have to be transported like a ming vase [01:07]
asciilifeform can't imagine anyone wants to pay for this. [01:07]
BingoBoingo aha, precisely << When /me worked in mall was in Kiosk sitting in firezone [01:07]
decimation asciilifeform: maybe sell as a collection of parts [01:08]
mircea_popescu i've never been in one of these "lockdown" bullshit things [01:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41652 @#64; 0.00051752 = 21.5557 BTC [-] {2} [01:08]
mircea_popescu and im pretty sure i'd just ignore it [01:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's a usaschwitz term [01:08]
decimation yeah me too. not gonna do what mall cop wants [01:08]
mircea_popescu good for 'em, but whatevs. [01:08]
mircea_popescu i remember learning with some amusement about the kindergarten games usians play in airports [01:08]
mircea_popescu FREEZE!!11 [01:08]
mircea_popescu hurr [01:08]
mircea_popescu mentally stunded population already. [01:08]
asciilifeform also make sure to ignore grizzly bears in alaska [01:09]
asciilifeform and alligators in florida [01:09]
asciilifeform (when they shoot a white fella it's generally 5th-10th page newz, as linked earlier) [01:10]
mircea_popescu i guess ima have to come with a regiment. [01:10]
asciilifeform now we're talkin'. [01:10]
asciilifeform personally i wouldn't waste so much as one private on the place. glass it. [01:11]
asciilifeform then glass over the surviving cockroaches. [01:11]
decimation I've read some tidbits about what happens when vip crossed boarder on private jet [01:11]
mircea_popescu so far ignoring it worked pretty well. us, zimbabwe and other places that exist for illustrative purposes only. [01:11]
decimation apparently there are special teams of usg employees for 'processing' such important folks [01:11]
asciilifeform decimation: idk, i bought a 100 usd piece of paper and was 'processed' by a vending machine that printed 'get out of customs now' pass. [01:12]
asciilifeform no vip jet or anything [01:12]
BingoBoingo Typical USian lockdown trigger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-1ZLpDISLQ [01:12]
assbot Lil Debbie - LET'S GET HIGH - Official Video - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4AJsh ) [01:12]
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asciilifeform out of flying cattle car and to the street in ~10 min. [01:13]
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* BingoBoingo just had the most amazing sandwich. Tomatoes slices and bread [01:14]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:14]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah supposedly the machines are replacing people on us border points [01:14]
asciilifeform decimation: only for paying folks [01:15]
decimation oh you did the 'global entry' thing? [01:15]
asciilifeform preeeeemium no-raep lanez [01:15]
asciilifeform aha [01:15]
decimation heh yeah. I would consider it if I were to travel abroad [01:15]
asciilifeform worth every penny [01:15]
decimation supposedly it parlays into less tsa harassment on domestic flights too [01:15]
asciilifeform even if you go only once [01:16]
gernika +1 Global Entry [01:17]
BingoBoingo Why not just RAEP back? [01:17]
gernika Good stuff. Claimed it might work in australia - but didn't. [01:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: bring regiment, raep, raep. [01:17]
* BingoBoingo has never touched a haram aeroplane [01:17]
decimation australia is famously nazi at their border [01:17]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Platoon, Company not enough? [01:18]
asciilifeform company with 'sadm' might, sure. [01:18]
asciilifeform dispersed. [01:18]
* BingoBoingo not sure who even uses regiments anymore. Thought replaced by "Divisions" [01:19]
asciilifeform https://web.archive.org/web/20140302041146/http://www.stripes.com/news/us/when-elite-us-forces-strapped-nukes-to-their-backs-1.266168 << them [01:20]
assbot When elite US forces strapped nukes to their backs - U.S. - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4AXjk ) [01:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24120 @#64; 0.00055892 = 13.4812 BTC [+] {2} [01:21]
BingoBoingo Ah, when I was a puppy I was told that was called "Chicken and Waffles" [01:21]
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BingoBoingo !up Michail1 [01:22]
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Michail1 ? [01:23]
decimation what brings you here? [01:23]
asciilifeform 'The Army's countermobility field manual taught soldiers to use ADMs for "stream cratering," in which atomic explosions near small waterways would "form a temporary dam, create a lake, cause overbank flooding, and produce an effective water obstacle" for enemy forces.' [01:23]
decimation not a bad idea [01:24]
BingoBoingo Michail1: You showed up, know you've been around. Voiced you because bored. [01:24]
Michail1 ah [01:24]
mircea_popescu sounds retarded really. [01:24]
Michail1 Think I have been here a long ass time, only for logging though. [01:24]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: But who wears the pack? [01:24]
mircea_popescu what a fucking nightmare, a "countermobility" unit that drops random nukes [01:24]
decimation mircea_popescu: why not? gotta stop the tanks somehow? [01:25]
mircea_popescu heh. [01:25]
mircea_popescu the only thing that'll do is increase your casualties. [01:25]
asciilifeform 'But when Green Light team member Ken Richter began interviewing potential candidates, he said, not everyone was as enthusiastic: "I had a lot of people that I interviewed for our team. Once they found out what the mission was, they said, 'No, thanks. I'd rather go back to Vietnam.' "' [01:26]
decimation it's not a particularly large bomb as nukes go [01:26]
decimation but it still might trigger the 'ok let's start tossing nukes' scenario [01:26]
BingoBoingo decimation: Few nukes are that big [01:26]
mircea_popescu decimation that's not the idea. the idea is... so tanks go around, now you're stuck with some units caught between a crater fgulla radioactive water and enemy spear units [01:27]
mircea_popescu without food or any possibility of being supported. [01:27]
asciilifeform 'In addition, the two-man rule, which to this day dictates that no individual service member have the ability to arm a nuclear weapon, demanded that Green Light teams divide the code that unlocked the cover plate. But that could present a challenge if the wrong man got killed en route to the target. "Here you were with this hunk of sh-- in your bag and no good place to go," Flavin said. "So we said, 'Eh, I don't think we can a [01:27]
asciilifeform llow that to happen,'" and his men agreed to share the code in the event of a real mission.' << l0lz [01:27]
BingoBoingo Backpack nuke is referred to as Chicken and Waffles because dark meat makes dents in the world [01:28]
decimation mircea_popescu: I assume this would all happen well into enemy territory [01:28]
decimation by men who have a pretty good hint that they ain't coming home [01:28]
mircea_popescu decimation even worse holy shit. [01:28]
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mircea_popescu imagine if the week after wehrmacht broke its cock in stalingrad [01:28]
mircea_popescu someone dropped a bunch of nukes around [01:29]
asciilifeform not certain the place would have looked much different.. [01:29]
mircea_popescu and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense. [01:29]
decimation sounds like an effective way to cover a retreat [01:29]
mircea_popescu if you've never retreated, maybe. [01:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the one thing these are definitely known to have been used for is burial (connected to phone lines, yes!) at useful places in west germany: dams, power stations, factories [01:30]
decimation not every army turns into random mob [01:30]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the us got beaten to shit about 5000 times since ww2, or roughly speaking "in every engagement to date". [01:30]
mircea_popescu this was never deployed [01:30]
mircea_popescu i guess they're not all idiots up at staff office. [01:30]
decimation because too pussy [01:30]
mircea_popescu mno. [01:30]
asciilifeform the live chickens (yes) variant, not deployed [01:31]
asciilifeform the solid state - deployed [01:31]
mircea_popescu demolition ? [01:31]
asciilifeform unless rezun lovingly fabricated the very elaborate description of the thing in his autobio [01:31]
asciilifeform (described su intel knowing precisely where they were) [01:31]
asciilifeform demolition. [01:31]
mircea_popescu aha. diff story. [01:31]
BingoBoingo and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense. << That sort of precision seems to demand people's backs [01:32]
asciilifeform like the bridges, all over europe, with trotyl in the pylons permanently [01:32]
asciilifeform to this day. [01:32]
mircea_popescu notably, these aren't carried by a grunt. [01:32]
asciilifeform aha [01:32]
decimation no, specially trained volunteers [01:32]
asciilifeform the manhole nukes weren't either [01:32]
asciilifeform but same part #. [01:33]
asciilifeform (quite a few were made) [01:33]
asciilifeform having live men carry these things about was a fashion on both sides of the ocean [01:33]
mircea_popescu because movies. [01:34]
asciilifeform (for all i know, still is) [01:34]
asciilifeform 'Probably to make the weapon resistant to electromagnetic pulses from any nearby nuclear explosions, as one might expect at the outset of war with the Soviets, the AEC had fashioned the SADM largely devoid of electronics. Instead, the device relied on two mechanical timers that, unfortunately, became less accurate the longer they were set for, potentially going off as early as eight minutes ahead of schedule or as many as 13 b [01:35]
asciilifeform ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.' [01:35]
asciilifeform ^ pure gold [01:35]
decimation lol [01:35]
asciilifeform did americans never invent 'chemical pencil' ??!!! [01:35]
asciilifeform sop in all civilized nations in 1930s, i thought [01:36]
decimation I thought the british gave that to tom cruise [01:36]
decimation asciilifeform: maybe an issue with shelf life of acid? [01:36]
asciilifeform what shelf life. [01:36]
asciilifeform acid in glass lives forever [01:36]
decimation I guess it is in a sealed bottle [01:36]
mircea_popescu not so. [01:36]
asciilifeform ampoule. [01:36]
BingoBoingo ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.' << Guess the gold/brass ratio in the spring [01:37]
asciilifeform sounds like my washing machine. [01:37]
asciilifeform wouldn't be surprised if it is the same part. [01:38]
BingoBoingo It prolly is. Laudered from "Boing" by GE [01:38]
asciilifeform vice versa [01:38]
BingoBoingo Nah [01:39]
asciilifeform '"There were real issues with the operational wisdom of the program, and those who were to conduct the mission were sure that whomever thought this up was using bad hemp."' [01:39]
BingoBoingo If otherwise Laundered from Boeing by Maytag [01:40]
n6 How can I get the requirments for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 installed on gentoo? [01:40]
assbot Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top [01:40]
BingoBoingo "The Marrakesh Express has arrived!" Best way to open a game of "dopewars" [01:41]
asciilifeform n6: 'emerge' [01:41]
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shinohai ;;ticker [09:45]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227427 << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now" [09:47]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227427 << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now" [09:47]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:16; asciilifeform: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-must-pay-russia-490-million-because-congress-wont-fund-trips-to-space << lulz [09:47]
mircea_popescu i wonder why that is. [09:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @#64; 0.00056173 = 25.8958 BTC [+] [09:48]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227430 << you are both very late to this party and also who are you again ? [09:48]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:59; decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo [09:48]
mircea_popescu i'd like to know who people that discuss what i would like or wouldn't like are. so lemme know. [09:48]
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asciilifeform wai wut [09:58]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc he was talking about the failure-to-deallocate thing. (and slept through the threads where the hypothetical structure of a sane mempool was discussed [09:59]
asciilifeform ) [09:59]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and iirc he's this dour german engineer fella stuck in northeast usa somewhere. [10:01]
asciilifeform in other nyooz, dulap ~STILL~ blackholed [10:01]
asciilifeform 'getinfo' from 24 hours ago, ~still~ hanging. [10:02]
asciilifeform zoolag and incitatus at 368648, 52 and 33 connections respectively, functioning normally. [10:03]
shinohai Someone dislikes you asciilifeform [10:04]
asciilifeform http://bitcoinist.net/going-soft-porn-officially-banned-india << poor indiancandy [10:05]
assbot Going Soft: Porn Officially Banned in India - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8ecPV ) [10:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @#64; 0.0005413 = 17.5381 BTC [-] [10:06]
asciilifeform shinohai: 'someone' is supplying a valuable massage service [10:09]
shinohai Be like water. [10:10]
asciilifeform trying connection 108.61.68.152:8333 lastseen=-40.8hrs lasttry=-20.6hrs [10:18]
asciilifeform connect() failed after select(): Connection refused [10:18]
asciilifeform trying connection 195.182.134.21:8333 lastseen=-44.0hrs lasttry=-22.6hrs [10:18]
asciilifeform connect() failed after select(): Connection refused [10:18]
asciilifeform trying connection 79.244.125.206:8333 lastseen=-41.2hrs lasttry=-20.3hrs [10:18]
asciilifeform connect() failed after select(): No route to host [10:18]
asciilifeform ^ zombie world [10:18]
asciilifeform i often wonder, any reason not to banhammer folks who won't accept connectback at 8333? if you wanna speak, get out from behind that nat, and be a full node ? [10:19]
asciilifeform or else why talking [10:19]
asciilifeform everywhere these remoras, who want to play without playing [10:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'd prefer this in the form of "running X bit of b-a infrastructure". otherwise... [10:23]
asciilifeform wai wat [10:23]
* asciilifeform confused [10:23]
mircea_popescu re above thread. and re nat thread, traditionally it's been regarded as "good for bitcoin" to allow consumer folk connect ot the network. [10:23]
asciilifeform i formerly thought this, also [10:24]
asciilifeform now - not certain [10:24]
mircea_popescu i really don't have a strong opinion on it, but i am pretty certain it's not them making you unreachable. [10:24]
* asciilifeform trying to restart node on dulap, bitcoin won't even eat SIGTERM [10:25]
mircea_popescu kill -9 [10:25]
mircea_popescu anyway, leaving aside the ever present possibility of extremely obscure bug resulting from our changes, it'd be a backbone issue. [10:25]
asciilifeform could mean a leprosied blockchain and two day-long outage [10:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didntcha have the same issue on own node ? [10:26]
mircea_popescu yes. [10:26]
asciilifeform (of own creation) [10:26]
mircea_popescu this doesn't preclude the foregoing. [10:26]
asciilifeform i have a working hypothesis concerning something other than leprous backbone, but it needs moar test [10:27]
asciilifeform (suspect that phoundation 0.10+ misbehaves vis a vis 'classic' nodes) [10:27]
mircea_popescu anyway. the general philosophy of teh interwebs was you know, fault tolerance since day i. "just stand up more nodes" is how one could summarize the internets. [10:27]
mircea_popescu Аккаунт [10:30]
mircea_popescu dude russian's hysterical. [10:30]
asciilifeform l0l [10:30]
asciilifeform that's a new one. [10:30]
mircea_popescu it's just... [10:30]
mircea_popescu the battle dwarves do 133 damage. "piticii de batalie fac 133 stricaciune". [10:30]
mircea_popescu one of the lulziest things in nature is watching voiceovered shows in romanian. beats any conceivable mst3k or anything. [10:31]
asciilifeform better than fr ? [10:31]
mircea_popescu way. [10:31]
mircea_popescu french is just weird, like, someone's mentally retarded. romanian is hysterical, like someone's very drunk [10:32]
mircea_popescu ymmv. [10:32]
asciilifeform kill-9, restarted, now wedged at 'Loading block index...' [10:32]
asciilifeform typical. [10:32]
mircea_popescu that'll take a while. [10:32]
mircea_popescu btw, prolly best run it with -detachdb switched on [10:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @#64; 0.00055381 = 16.5035 BTC [+] {2} [10:33]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we haven't got this flag [10:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it must be in yours only [10:34]
shinohai https://i.imgur.com/DeIjKnl.jpg [10:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8h6Ef ) [10:34]
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asciilifeform aaaaaand we're back to black hole hell [10:35]
punkman asciilifeform: does your node have 40k addresses in its wallet? [10:35]
asciilifeform punkman: the wallet has never been fired [10:35]
asciilifeform on this box [10:35]
mircea_popescu oh [10:38]
mircea_popescu well gotta do something re db corruption [10:38]
mircea_popescu maybe rsync the bdb [10:38]
* shinohai still wants to torrent blockchain f he can ever get a clean sync. [10:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha, what did you think i did before. [10:39]
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mircea_popescu aha works. [10:39]
asciilifeform hence when i said '2 day outage' [10:39]
asciilifeform but that's lame [10:39]
mircea_popescu so it is. [10:39]
mircea_popescu shinohai the problem with that is in the verficiation. [10:40]
asciilifeform anyway i discover to my surprise that the thing has been synced all this time. [10:40]
punkman asciilifeform: just wondering about http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225902 [10:40]
asciilifeform somehow. [10:40]
assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 17:50:18; ben_vulpes: Loaded 39823 addresses [10:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you were complaining about outbound not inbound. [10:40]
shinohai mircea_popescu: any suggestions on how to solve that problem? [10:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: inbound also did not and still does not work reliably [10:41]
mircea_popescu shinohai not really. either you verify or you don't. if you don't, might as well not bother storing a blockchain of unknown origion and run spv. if you do, you do. [10:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22502 @#64; 0.0005629 = 12.6664 BTC [+] {4} [10:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform fortunately bitcoin doesn't actually require reliability [10:41]
shinohai spv isn't a real node :/ [10:41]
mircea_popescu neither is a torrented blockchain [10:41]
mircea_popescu in fact they are exactly iudentical. [10:42]
mircea_popescu note that when i stood up an ancient chain, to assuage any conceivable doubts about blockchain contiguity from day one, i let people actually filter it in through the normal process, rather than torrent it. [10:43]
asciilifeform one can always 'eatblock' the thing. [10:43]
mircea_popescu this is true. [10:46]
* asciilifeform finally broke down and went to look for the mythical 'RejectNonSatanicNode()' in enemy https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src . what a shitnest ! [10:46]
mircea_popescu not sure the hassle's worth it, but one could. [10:46]
assbot bitcoin/src at master · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8iJBQ ) [10:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what loc count is it at yet, 5mn ? [10:47]
asciilifeform could've sworn there was half again as much of it last i looked [10:47]
mircea_popescu wait. what ?! [10:47]
mircea_popescu power rangers actually pruned some code ?! [10:47]
asciilifeform mno ? [10:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @#64; 0.00057383 = 25.9371 BTC [+] {2} [10:48]
mike_c half again = 50% more, not less [10:48]
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asciilifeform was half its size now [10:49]
asciilifeform is what i meant. [10:49]
mircea_popescu oh [10:49]
mircea_popescu yeah, half-again is 150%. ancient roman convention. [10:50]
asciilifeform that thing is ~7MB ~zipped~ [10:50]
asciilifeform ah hm [10:50]
mircea_popescu ahahaha good god [10:50]
* asciilifeform not relishing the perspective of attempting building and running that thing [10:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227572 < check it out BingoBoingo, "tokyo court submits to old MP article" [10:51]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 12:09:06; shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/tokyo-court-bitcoin-not-subject-to-ownership-2/?utm_content=bufferf2fe9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer [10:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: btw my current hypothesis is that recent phoundation turds balk at node which refuses to BIP-14 [10:52]
asciilifeform (similar to how 'bitnodes' does) [10:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform specifically : the sestertius was really "semis-tertius", or, half-third. [10:52]
mircea_popescu ie, two and a half. [10:53]
* asciilifeform ought to have remembered this. [10:53]
mircea_popescu they basically counted halves. half, half-once (1 1/2) half-twice etc [10:53]
mircea_popescu indicative of the braindamage bad conventional notation bakes into thought [10:54]
mircea_popescu re that old thread. [10:54]
asciilifeform aha [10:54]
asciilifeform find ./bitcoin-master/ -type f -exec cat {} + | wc -l [10:55]
asciilifeform wait for it... [10:55]
asciilifeform 335645 [10:55]
* mircea_popescu waits for it [10:55]
mircea_popescu ah, not even a million yet. what sort of video driver is this! [10:55]
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asciilifeform a copy of stator: 24209 [10:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @#64; 0.00056958 = 10.1385 BTC [-] [10:58]
mircea_popescu so bitcoin is 93% shittier than power-ranger bitcoin right ? [10:58]
asciilifeform (src dir) [10:58]
asciilifeform turdator's src dir: 287866 [10:59]
asciilifeform aaand dulap is back in business. for now... [11:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: your earlier observation 'moar nodes!' - must determine if enemy is able to wedge on demand. because then it does not particularly matter how many of us there are. [11:05]
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asciilifeform 'The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both “.dat” and “log” files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the “.dat” files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the “log” files are not– even minor version differences may have incompatible “log” files. The -detachdb option moves any pending chang [11:23]
asciilifeform es from the “log” files to the “blkindex.dat” file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the “wallet.dat” file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown.' [11:23]
asciilifeform (found, from 0.7.2 readme) [11:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^ [11:23]
asciilifeform ( https://bitcoin.org/en/release/v0.7.2 ) [11:24]
assbot Bitcoin-Qt version 0.7.2 released ... ( http://bit.ly/1InZpy7 ) [11:24]
asciilifeform doesn't appear to be of interest. [11:26]
asciilifeform unless mircea_popescu's -detachdb does something else! [11:26]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2014#925307 << apparently in the logz, even. [11:26]
assbot Logged on 16-11-2014 06:12:47; ben_vulpes: http://94i30.net/wp-content/bitcoin-p2sh/bitcoin-detachdb.php << for lulz [11:27]
punkman I like how detach means combine into a single file? [11:27]
* asciilifeform bbl [11:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20451 @#64; 0.00057069 = 11.6712 BTC [+] [11:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62750 @#64; 0.00056585 = 35.5071 BTC [-] {3} [11:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89493 @#64; 0.00057094 = 51.0951 BTC [+] {3} [12:03]
decimation no wonder why shutting down stator takes so long [12:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12421 @#64; 0.00056265 = 6.9887 BTC [-] {3} [12:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually, yeah. my detachdb forces proper flushing of db ops to disk such that the disk is always consistent. this was (mostly) the behaviour pre 6. the power rangers came up with a retarded scheme where they held about half of txn in memory in an ad hoic cache [12:11]
mircea_popescu which results in a situation where killed bitcoinds ruin their blockchain because well... can't make sense of it anymore. [12:11]
mircea_popescu this idiocy is actually where i ordered divergence. [12:11]
mircea_popescu who ever came up with the idea that "it's ok to corrupt permanent storage if volatile ram dies".... [12:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform enemy is not able to wedge on demand. [12:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @#64; 0.00054829 = 16.7777 BTC [-] {3} [12:17]
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shinohai http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/spy-agency-whistle-blower-posted-top-secret-report-4chan-users-called-it-fake-gay-1514330 <<< top kek [12:26]
assbot Spy agency whistle-blower posts top secret report to 4chan but users dismiss it as 'fake and gay' ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsruCb ) [12:26]
mircea_popescu social media ftw. [12:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 70 @#64; 0.10184894 = 7.1294 BTC [+] {18} [12:27]
mircea_popescu "John McAfee, the eccentric antivirus pioneer, was arrested in Tennessee for driving under the influence of drugs and possessing a handgun while intoxicated." [12:30]
mircea_popescu "The shootout with the police was highly exaggerated and in fact no one was even hit by a bullet, let alone harmed by one. The police knew me and I don't believe their hearts were truly in the shootout, as it is not included in the official report. When I ran out of ammunition, I surrendered quietly and the officers and my self had a cigarette together and joked about my bad aim." [12:30]
mircea_popescu guy's taking some pretty powerful xanax. [12:31]
shinohai Or some other drug discovered in the jungles of Belize. [12:31]
mircea_popescu honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense [12:32]
mircea_popescu in other news, make-up does wonders http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls0lwkdqCj1qciaxlo1_1280.jpg [12:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MPAV4K ) [12:34]
shinohai creamy ... [12:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @#64; 0.00055415 = 12.69 BTC [+] {3} [12:39]
shinohai My god, mircea_popescu was right: https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/628858360704704512 [12:41]
shinohai He has no qualms about discussing it, heh [12:41]
mircea_popescu yeha guy's out there. [12:42]
trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg [12:44]
assbot How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Isunmw ) [12:44]
punkman looks like he hasn't had a haircut for a decade [12:48]
mircea_popescu maybe it's glued on [12:49]
shinohai Like half of the people in Tennessee [12:49]
shinohai And Xstians are always bandying about how persecuted they are: http://www.rt.com/usa/311664-school-child-lawsuit-god/ [12:53]
assbot School ‘banishes’ 7yo student for saying he doesn’t believe in God – lawsuit — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1IsvP8i ) [12:53]
trinque good for the kid [12:55]
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trinque Adlai | trinque: where exactly is deedbot-'s source? << on my laptop and a server, no shithub to be found [13:01]
trinque and backed up of course [13:01]
trinque but anyway, if you'd like a copy, I could give you one [13:01]
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trinque the deed transactions spend to an address generated using the sha256 of the bundle as the private key [13:02]
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trinque bundle is each deed in order with a single newline between [13:03]
trinque meaning ascii armor footer and header touching [13:03]
shinohai trinque: does deedbot run on limnoria ? [13:04]
trinque nah this tenyks bot I no longer like [13:05]
trinque has trouble reconnecting, seems like a race condition [13:05]
trinque I like that it's built as a core server and the services are independent of that [13:08]
trinque rather than strap myself to golang I'm going to jettison it at some point and reimplement the services model in CL [13:09]
punkman trinque: did you write the services in go? [13:11]
trinque nah, python [13:11]
trinque it does pub/sub over redis [13:11]
trinque so anything with a redis client would work [13:11]
trinque it might be a simple fix to get it to reconnect better; I just lack the interest to cram yet another c-like language into my head [13:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64200 @#64; 0.0005714 = 36.6839 BTC [+] {5} [13:15]
punkman trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw? [13:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14590 @#64; 0.00057198 = 8.3452 BTC [+] [13:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68700 @#64; 0.00057384 = 39.4228 BTC [+] [13:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47857 @#64; 0.00056415 = 26.9985 BTC [-] {4} [13:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2343 @#64; 0.00055892 = 1.3095 BTC [-] [13:33]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227750 << already forgot his 'coloured phone' ? [13:34]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 15:33:07; mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense [13:34]
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ascii_field (it was to be something like our hypothetical radio relay. but he got belized before it got any traction.) [13:35]
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ascii_field anyway mcaffee is something almost like a real person and not a good candidate. loose cannon from usg pov [13:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81216 @#64; 0.00055115 = 44.7622 BTC [-] {6} [13:42]
ascii_field ;;isup trilema.com [13:44]
gribble trilema.com is down [13:44]
trinque punkman | trinque: how's btcd been behaving btw? << so well I barely notice it [13:54]
trinque haven't had a problem yet. [13:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51111 @#64; 0.00055984 = 28.614 BTC [+] {3} [13:54]
ascii_field trinque: public node ? [13:56]
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trinque ascii_field: should be listening at 54.68.114.104:8333 [13:57]
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punkman "Well, in my first six movies I was just "Krysta." You know, but then in order to differentiate myself from the 76 other Krystas in the business, I added the "Now." Well, it's all about now, 2008, not next week, not tomorrow. If you wanna fuck me, you can fuck me... now." [14:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82300 @#64; 0.00055787 = 45.9127 BTC [-] {4} [14:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27538 @#64; 0.00054829 = 15.0988 BTC [-] [14:58]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field mebbe so. [15:00]
mircea_popescu punkman a good principle for sure. [15:00]
mircea_popescu too many diesel cunts in the world. [15:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @#64; 0.00056256 = 20.871 BTC [+] {3} [15:04]
thestringpuller unleaded cunts only [15:07]
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jurov_now nao!!! [15:07]
BingoBoingo !b 6 [15:08]
assbot Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2KZXXX6.txt ) [15:08]
ben_vulpes coracle wedged firmly at 367850. [15:14]
ben_vulpes i think my route forward is to back up the existing blockchain, and resync from one of the noble nodes [15:16]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [15:17]
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ben_vulpes ascii_field: you didn't find anything interesting in that log of mine, did you? [15:19]
ascii_field nope [15:19]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: side note, perhaps qntra'd run something about how noble nodes that have well-ordered blockchains can now be synced from? [15:19]
BingoBoingo I think alf may be onto something with the BIP 14 user agent strings. If nodes are claiming maxint protocol version and not serving a user-agent string to turd nodes. [15:20]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: I think I wrote that up already. Just didn't call them nobel nodes. [15:20]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/ [15:20]
assbot Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtwUjM ) [15:20]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: ~noble~ [15:21]
ascii_field gargh [15:21]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: that article doesn't highlight chain ancestry [15:21]
ben_vulpes which is also neat [15:21]
ben_vulpes but w/e, your shop [15:21]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: any other things i should try before backing up my blockchain and resyncing? [15:22]
* ben_vulpes doesn't wedge frequently [15:22]
ascii_field restart ? [15:22]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It will likely get dropped in again with other actual Bitcoin news. [15:22]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: ~noble~ << I prefer the dynamite guy. [15:23]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: have yeah. [15:23]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: post pcap plz [15:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @#64; 0.00056348 = 16.9044 BTC [+] {2} [15:26]
scoopbot_revived Tokyo Court Affirms Ancient Bitcoin Wisdom: Coins Gifted to Scammers are No Longer Yours http://qntra.net/2015/08/tokyo-court-affirms-ancient-bitcoin-wisdom-coins-gifted-to-scammers-are-no-longer-yours/ [15:26]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: dev-haskell/pcap? [15:27]
ben_vulpes no no no [15:27]
ascii_field nono [15:28]
ascii_field tcpdump [15:28]
ben_vulpes aha [15:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30600 @#64; 0.00056441 = 17.2709 BTC [+] [15:30]
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ben_vulpes welp i hosed this gentoo somehow [15:39]
ben_vulpes tcpdump: command not found [15:39]
ben_vulpes man tcpdump: werkz [15:39]
jurov_now did it emerge successfully? [15:40]
ben_vulpes pretty sure. [15:40]
trinque ben_vulpes: some shells cache the bins in in $PATH [15:41]
trinque might have to re-open [15:41]
* ben_vulpes shrugs, runs emerge again [15:41]
ben_vulpes guys i dont understand the first thing about computers [15:41]
trinque ben_vulpes: open a new term [15:41]
ben_vulpes trinque: tried that. [15:41]
trinque hm, then ass-goblins [15:41]
ben_vulpes will post emergelog shortly. [15:42]
trinque ben_vulpes: ah it gets put in /usr/sbin [15:42]
trinque probably requires root to run [15:42]
ben_vulpes sudo tcpdump? [15:43]
ben_vulpes i are a dorp [15:43]
ben_vulpes whoa okay yeah it werkz. i don't. [15:43]
punkman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIdIqbv7SPo [15:43]
assbot Bill Withers - Ain't No Sunshine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtMUwX ) [15:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @#64; 0.00056441 = 16.4526 BTC [+] [15:50]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: how long of a pcap run? [15:50]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [15:54]
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shinohai $google uses for worthless asics [15:55]
trinque shinohai: got any wind-related issues with paper? [15:56]
shinohai wut ... [15:57]
trinque also, new entry for metal thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDPkCy_XmII [15:57]
assbot Black Crown Initiate - The Wreckage Of Stars (2014) Full Album - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtOq21 ) [15:57]
trinque shinohai: paperweight joke [15:57]
shinohai I was thinking doorstop [15:57]
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shinohai I was cleaning out my computer junk, found these two old gridseeds I bought like 2 years ago [15:58]
trinque ever get any coin out of them? [15:59]
trinque I'm always curious whether people had a net gain mining [15:59]
shinohai I made roi but using it in dual mode to mine shitty alts. More trouble than it was worth honestly. [16:02]
shinohai I mainly purchased them as curiousity. [16:02]
punkman trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits [16:04]
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punkman I suspect the hand-to-mouth miners were only profitable for some very short periods of time [16:06]
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BingoBoingo http://www.startribune.com/gay-teens-have-higher-pregnancy-rates-than-their-straight-peers/320842991/ [16:42]
assbot Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu ) [16:42]
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shinohai Somehow BingoBoingo I feel that article was trolling me [16:46]
BingoBoingo shinohai: Maybe pregnancy made them gay? [16:46]
shinohai Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible? [16:48]
jurov_now hardly any teen is sure of their orientation [16:51]
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mircea_popescu lol jurov_now [17:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121250 @#64; 0.00056568 = 68.5887 BTC [+] {3} [17:01]
mircea_popescu is this your new pornstar name ? [17:01]
jurov_now yes, now! [17:02]
punkman it rolls of the tongue [17:02]
punkman should keep it [17:02]
mircea_popescu but yes, tis true. hardly any teen is sure of their anything. you get the choice to either force them into a role, and thus get ballet dancers, olympic athletes, women, men, depression and suicide [17:02]
mircea_popescu or else let them bubble in their own stew and get redditars. and depression. [17:02]
mircea_popescu no suicide because they're not actually competent enough to do it, for the most part. [17:03]
mircea_popescu i'm sure there's also a third way, like the communism that actually works (tm) [17:03]
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mircea_popescu and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg [17:04]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: l0l wut is this mythical creature that is unsure of things [17:04]
mircea_popescu kids. [17:05]
ascii_field the dumber, the more cocksure, i thought [17:05]
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mircea_popescu !up n6 [17:06]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field the problem is that dumb speaks to two different things. [17:06]
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n6 mircea_popescu: I still working on getting http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 working but I noticed you have an open bounty (http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958) still. someone linked the done work already(http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/bitcoin-dot.svg) can I collect? [17:07]
assbot Logged on 15-07-2015 19:25:10; solrodar: http://178.62.64.22/dot-filter.py << instructions at top [17:07]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227896 <<< beats sharpies-in-ass [17:07]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 20:04:16; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg [17:07]
funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227884 <-- could be only way to keep dad around [17:07]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 19:48:15; shinohai: Possibly, "OMG this sucks so bad imma become a carpet muncher" <<< plausible? [17:07]
mircea_popescu n6 it's been paid out et all for a while. [17:07]
n6 ah too bad. [17:07]
mircea_popescu you know, by the solrodar guy that actually did it. [17:07]
n6 ah I thought it might be to good to be true. [17:09]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227877 <>< in which case the tidy profits are not from mining [17:11]
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assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 19:05:00; punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits [17:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227880 << anyway, this imo should be sufficient proof that "gay" is a fashion label, being used for political gain by unscrupulous operators but otherwise perfectly unrelated with anything substantial [17:13]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 19:43:02; assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu ) [17:13]
mircea_popescu such as anyhone's sexuality., [17:13]
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mircea_popescu they're "gay" these teens in the sense the 1910s teens were "warlike" [17:13]
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ben_vulpes http://feminism.shithouse.tv [17:19]
assbot feminism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcWFob ) [17:19]
ben_vulpes http://anti-feminism.shithouse.tv [17:19]
assbot anti-feminism ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcWFEF ) [17:19]
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punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227522 << heh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI [17:23]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 05:46:09; punkman: BingoBoingo: here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCYB0lzoofc [17:23]
assbot Charger prototype finding its way to Model S - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxox6u ) [17:23]
ascii_field >> http://i.imgur.com/qB9sO7O.gifv << [17:25]
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punkman is the dolphin using a headless fish as a fucktoy? [17:27]
ascii_field yes. [17:27]
BingoBoingo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/illinois-will-close-world-shooting-complex-in-sparta-at-end/article_035fe93b-9bdc-5609-9be6-9bfc63b01488.html [17:28]
scoopbot_revived Fiat Chrysler Sued in Court Over Security Vulnerability http://qntra.net/2015/08/fiat-chrysler-sued-in-court-over-security-vulnerability/ [17:28]
assbot Illinois will close World Shooting Complex in Sparta at end of August : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxp4Fq ) [17:28]
trinque bahahah, that's about as good as the monkey fucking a frog [17:29]
trinque I never knew dolphins could do such a lecherous face [17:29]
trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU9-TKRkaUw << for those who must witness [17:30]
assbot Monkey Rapes Frog - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dxpn3c ) [17:30]
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo in that last qntra, i think you forgot to mention http://qntra.net/2015/07/entertainment-system-vulnerability-turns-vehicles-into-hot-death/ [17:38]
assbot "Entertainment System" Vulnerability Turns Vehicles Into Hot Death | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcYLV2 ) [17:38]
BingoBoingo ty pete_dushenski [17:39]
pete_dushenski np my man [17:39]
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kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227167 < hm yea this makes for an interesting read http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/52137 [17:40]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 03:37:01; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla any idea ? [17:40]
assbot Problems with two active encryption subkeys | GnuPG | users ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcZ0Q9 ) [17:40]
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pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/10/oldapps-com-under-attack-or-this-is-why-you-checksum/#comment-25282 << oldapps.com update [17:55]
assbot OldApps.com under attack, or this is why you checksum. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxspUU ) [17:55]
pete_dushenski shit's gotten worse instead of better. [17:55]
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pete_dushenski after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files ! [17:57]
pete_dushenski because maybe that'll make them more secure and trustworthy or something [17:57]
shinohai That solves everything doesn't it? [17:57]
pete_dushenski in lalaland, it would see so [17:58]
pete_dushenski seem [17:58]
shinohai Because sbtraction is the most important part of maths [17:58]
pete_dushenski because obstruction is the most important part of diddling old software [17:59]
pete_dushenski because hey, everyone should just get with the program and use the latest shiniest most califragilistically stupendous apps and oses coming out of everyone's bungholes [18:00]
pete_dushenski god forbid anyone actually become accustomed to the tools of their craft and, y'know, improve at their craft ! [18:01]
pete_dushenski then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work [18:02]
pete_dushenski and that's really no way to live in the modern age, no is it. [18:02]
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trinque pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed [18:03]
pete_dushenski it's much better if you're always grappling with the superficial changes that the devs on high release every goddam monday [18:03]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [18:03]
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pete_dushenski it would just be the end of computing as we know it if anyone had 2 months, maybe even 2 years! to actually learn the ins and outs of a program [18:04]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: why would you even consider running a downloaded binary [18:04]
pete_dushenski trinque i'll look [18:04]
ascii_field (notice, when i post binaries, they are not for running - certainly not on a computer... but for static analysis) [18:04]
pete_dushenski ascii_field because i'm a sucker for punishment and i fail to see the alternative in this case [18:05]
ascii_field what case [18:05]
pete_dushenski where else does one obtain a web browser, or a photo editor ? [18:06]
ascii_field for archaeological purposes ? [18:06]
ascii_field from one's wot of course [18:06]
pete_dushenski fair enough. [18:06]
trinque gentoo's nice for this; you can just archive your distfiles folder [18:06]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: what were you looking for? possibly i have it [18:06]
kakobrekla hm, anyone ever used this 'exclamation mark' trick to specify the key with which to encrypt with before? [18:07]
pete_dushenski dear wot : please to provide photo editor for mac os 10.6 or 10.8 (eg. pixelmator) [18:07]
pete_dushenski ascii_field ^you have by chance ? [18:08]
ascii_field intel ? [18:08]
kakobrekla because, to me it doesnt seem to be working. [18:09]
pete_dushenski ascii_field mhm [18:09]
ascii_field then no [18:09]
pete_dushenski ascii_field you have for ppc ? [18:09]
ascii_field possibly [18:09]
pete_dushenski if you have for ppc and macos 10.4, i'm interested [18:10]
ascii_field 9. [18:10]
pete_dushenski mkay well then the offer is open to any and all -other- in the wot [18:10]
pete_dushenski 1 down... couple dozen to go. [18:10]
pete_dushenski ascii_field but you're right. this is the sane approach [18:11]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo hyperlink to that article missed the 'a' [18:15]
BingoBoingo fxd [18:15]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227963 <<< for some reason that set my mind a brewin' [18:15]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:03:27; trinque: pete_dushenski: if you have good hashes of any old things, consider making a deed [18:15]
pete_dushenski https://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/08/06/how-much-do-we-love-windows-10/ << why phil, why ?? [18:16]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » How much do we love Windows 10? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DxuGPX ) [18:16]
pete_dushenski downloading binaries is nothing compared to downloading winbloze 10. [18:17]
shinohai If all the world offered was Windows 10, I'd become the next Ted Kaczynski for sure. [18:18]
davout ohai [18:20]
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ascii_field priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper [18:20]
pete_dushenski re: binaries vs. winbloze. this is perhaps like saying that sticking your dick in a blender is nothing like sticking your head in a shark's mouth. [18:21]
pete_dushenski ascii_field that ol' coot ? hm. [18:22]
pete_dushenski shinohai no see because ted could see a different world than the one he was offered. [18:22]
shinohai I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski [18:23]
pete_dushenski for sure. [18:23]
shinohai If anyone can think outside the box .... [18:23]
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pete_dushenski what i'm saying is that if winbloze 10 is all there is, that's all there is. [18:24]
BingoBoingo https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10134 [18:24]
assbot 10134 – Ulrich Drepper is a fucking dictator asshole ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5U8sT ) [18:24]
pete_dushenski sorta like bitcoin, that's what there is. [18:24]
BingoBoingo "Note that the status of the bug was changed from "RESOLVED INVALID" to "RESOLVED FIXED" in 2014-03-20. Probably because as well as I know Ulrich currently doesn't work in Red Hat and doesn't have any commit access. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.glibc.alpha/19088" [18:24]
assbot glibc steering committee dissolving ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5UcJ3 ) [18:24]
pete_dushenski shinohai within the context of your propostion, fighting against forces of nature makes little sense. [18:25]
pete_dushenski of course, this isn't the os space we live in [18:25]
shinohai Of course not, if you try yo will lose. [18:25]
shinohai *you [18:25]
davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1225684 <<< iirc trinque mentioned a versioning system that does signed commits properly, where you can extract a set of individually signed patches [18:25]
assbot Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:15; mircea_popescu: so : you wanna contribute, use this and that markup, then rest is done by itself. [18:25]
pete_dushenski shinohai and i agree that we should be thankful for this [18:25]
trinque davout: it was punkman re darcs I think [18:26]
shinohai I do agree. The fact that there are finite boundaries is comforting to an extent [18:26]
pete_dushenski but i'm off for a bit. laters ! [18:26]
ascii_field davout, trinque, et al: i will not be giving any automatic system access to my pgptron. [18:26]
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trinque I've never used darcs, have no opinion on it [18:26]
trinque but I agree with that principle [18:27]
davout ascii_field: if you could have a separate pgptron for checking sigs, and the ability to manually insert a signed patch into it? [18:27]
ascii_field speaking of signing, rather than checking [18:27]
ascii_field checking can be done on a keyless pgp [18:27]
davout yeah, that's the point [18:27]
davout check fingerprints, trust keys, you can check [18:28]
davout with some additional bash script that checks that each key is L1/L2 [18:28]
davout (for each commit that is) [18:29]
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mircea_popescu aga [18:29]
mircea_popescu aha* [18:29]
davout so basically the toolset reduces to: [18:30]
davout 1. versioning system that works sanely (able to extract individually signed commits) [18:30]
ascii_field already wrong formulation. why 'extract' when ~they are the canonical representation~ [18:31]
davout 2. validation script that checks that every single commit is signed by WoT-folks [18:31]
davout 3. tiny script that spits out a properly formatted signed commit for inclusion in versioning tool [18:31]
davout ascii_field: extract them all if you really insist on having a canonical representation you can frame and hang on your wall i guess [18:32]
ascii_field davout: do you understand what 'canonical representation' means ? [18:32]
davout the representation you prefer but is semantically equivalent to another representation ? [18:33]
ascii_field it means that i will not look at nor will ask anyone else to look at any other representation [18:33]
ascii_field can take mine, convert to yours, sure [18:34]
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trinque !up ascii_field [18:34]
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davout "please express any amounts in tonal bitcoin" is what comes to mind :-) [18:35]
ascii_field ~can~ have other representations. but for engraving in stone, 'diff -uNr a b' plz. [18:35]
trinque with the antecedent named, seems fine [18:36]
trinque what I wanted was that tree data structure *somewhere* [18:36]
ascii_field aha, working on that [18:36]
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davout as long as it's possible to have a tool to work on the patchset it essentially reduces to the same thing, which the only thing I personally care about [18:41]
mircea_popescu the idea being that ml + antecedents <=> versioning system that works sanely. [18:43]
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davout roger ver delivers, again https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fw74a/roger_ver_on_twitter_lets_raise_the_block_size/cttakac [18:45]
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mircea_popescu wow, this guy still exists! [18:46]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "sued in court" kinda redundant neh ? [18:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227951 << ahahaha. was obviously getting in the way of UXability. [18:47]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 20:57:37; pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files ! [18:47]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: fxd [18:49]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you! [18:49]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:02:17; pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work [18:49]
assbot The Dancing Man and the cult of well-intentioned idiots. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5WhVz ) [18:49]
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mircea_popescu in somewhat udder news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/9b313a20245b4db1df823c322dc60d95/tumblr_np4xj0OQUc1tttg72o1_1280.jpg [18:54]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5WNml ) [18:54]
shinohai I wish I had some sort of job where I maintained a bot that archived great pr0n pics perpetually. [18:55]
* shinohai with a secret proxy for India [18:55]
trinque shinohai: stop wishing, and build your porno empire today! [18:56]
mircea_popescu holy shit phillip greenspun actually runs windows 10 ?! [18:56]
mircea_popescu this is the most mindblowing thing i heard this week. [18:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228001 << naw. hashalot is written by slusky. [19:00]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:20:41; ascii_field: priceless moment: when you realize that 'sha512sum' and related utils on your box were all authored by... ulrich drepper [19:00]
mircea_popescu http://www.paranoiacs.org/~sluskyb/hacks/hashalot/ [19:01]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5Xufp ) [19:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228005 << for the record i fail to see any genius. this might be just because i'm a dour old prune, so don't mind me. [19:02]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:23:21; shinohai: I wasn't doubting his genius at all pete_dushenski [19:02]
shinohai http://www.singularitysymposium.com/ted-kaczynski.html [19:04]
assbot Ted Kaczynski and the Technological Singularity ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5XPPd ) [19:04]
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shinohai Some of his stuff was truly out there, but I admire his abilities in maths. [19:05]
mircea_popescu shinohai if you care to make a proposition i'll consider it, but otherwise what is this ? "At 25 Kaczynski became the youngest assistant professor ever to be hired by the University of California, Berkeley" ? i'm not in the demo. [19:05]
mircea_popescu refresh me, what did he do ? (flatly honest question) [19:05]
shinohai Well he understood laptrace transforms, which is more than I will ever know [19:07]
shinohai I have always been interested in interpreting time into a frequency [19:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228030 << to expound on this for the log readership : it is not trivial but definitely feasible to cause any running implementation of asymmetric cryptography to leak key bits if it is possible to direct encrypted matter at it in an automatic fashion and have live access to the results somehow. this theoretical fact is practically verified for pgp, and there's no grounds [19:08]
mircea_popescu to doubt it stands for any other. consequently, any system that automatically decrypts, or automatically signs, is a hole not a point of security. [19:08]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:28:06; ascii_field: checking can be done on a keyless pgp [19:08]
kakobrekla what am i missing here? http://dpaste.com/0BMEYFB.txt [19:09]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, if the system only contains public keys, then it can be safely used to verify signatures made by the respective private keys. [19:09]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5YkZK ) [19:09]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla the key is broken apparently ? [19:09]
kakobrekla i doubt it [19:10]
mircea_popescu i have nfi what this is. [19:10]
kakobrekla certainly not a feature. [19:10]
kakobrekla mebbe ascii knows something ? [19:11]
kakobrekla !up ascii_field [19:11]
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mircea_popescu can we have a -v -v output since you got it all deployed ? [19:11]
kakobrekla lets see [19:11]
mircea_popescu fucking b-a, never a dull moment. [19:11]
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kakobrekla i get fucking the same? [19:13]
mircea_popescu uh [19:13]
mircea_popescu no, the pubkey is broken [19:17]
kakobrekla how is it broken? [19:17]
kakobrekla hm [19:18]
mircea_popescu well for one thing it doesn't hash to its fingerprint [19:18]
punkman kakobrekla: why did you expect something different from the last command in that paste? [19:18]
mircea_popescu we got a live cosmic ray event here or wtf. [19:18]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell n6 : can you extract and publish your public key as it resides on your machine, as opposed to whatever's on sks servers. [19:19]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:19]
kakobrekla punkman i hoped for 'gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 05D01131' or what [19:19]
kakobrekla or maybe we are missing something with mp [19:20]
kakobrekla pls do tell ? [19:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34034 @#64; 0.00057383 = 19.5297 BTC [+] {2} [19:21]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu it doesnt seem to be broken key cause the thing doesnt work on other peoples keys as well [19:23]
kakobrekla yeah lol we are noobs. [19:24]
kakobrekla you cant encrypt with that. [19:24]
punkman aha [19:25]
kakobrekla what threw me off was yesterdays debate - what n6 really would want in his position is to get otp encrpyted with F9F5 A57C instead 3594 E367 [19:25]
kakobrekla however i am not sure this is possible. [19:25]
punkman it's a special case indeed [19:27]
kakobrekla perhaps he will be able to auth again after 2018-08-29 [19:27]
punkman n6 needs to re-arrange his keys [19:27]
kakobrekla if the gpg falls back [19:27]
kakobrekla to his non expiring kex [19:27]
kakobrekla key [19:27]
kakobrekla or add another working subkey ? [19:28]
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punkman https://10thirty.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/pierre-marcolini-avenue-louise.jpg in case you find yourself in Belgium [19:29]
kakobrekla with even longer expiration date [19:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmbBGO ) [19:29]
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punkman for folks that might still be baffled: gpg creates a master sign-only key that is used to sign sub keys. when you encrypt something for the main fingerprint, gpg chooses an encryption subkey. [19:45]
punkman (and yes RSA keys can do both, it's just a flag gpg sets on the keys) [19:47]
kakobrekla and the decision on which subkey apparently depends on implementation, not on openpgp standard, from link earlier. [19:48]
mircea_popescu o.O [19:48]
mircea_popescu pub 4096R/2FB7B452 2011-07-22 << [19:48]
mircea_popescu my key is actually the main. [19:48]
kakobrekla nein http://dpaste.com/381RF4D.txt [19:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmdPWD ) [19:49]
mircea_popescu !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr [19:49]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e494b4bd9c67dd6c [19:49]
mircea_popescu gpg: encrypted with 4096-bit RSA key, ID 16B8E32E, created 2011-07-22 [19:50]
mircea_popescu right you are [19:50]
kakobrekla gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 16B8E32E [19:50]
kakobrekla yea [19:50]
mircea_popescu one day i'll actually have this entire shitshow in my head. [19:50]
punkman gl hf [19:50]
mircea_popescu anyway, yes, kakobrekla has it, we're noobs. [19:51]
punkman and you don't have to carry your master private key around! [19:52]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell n6 nevermind, figured it out in the end. [19:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:52]
kakobrekla punkman i just dont leave house. [19:52]
mircea_popescu to celebrate, trophy : http://36.media.tumblr.com/b620fdb41a72e999b92ef9f913c575dc/tumblr_mk2kc8JmVg1qf0ndvo1_1280.jpg [19:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hme97A ) [19:52]
mircea_popescu and i can confirm, he doesn't. [19:52]
shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228144 < Hopefully I get rated one day with a "Hurr Durr Dippy Do" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo [19:53]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 22:49:53; mircea_popescu: !rate kakobrekla 1 hurr [19:53]
assbot Swedish Chef - Meatballs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmednT ) [19:53]
kakobrekla except for .. wait for it, need to upload. [19:53]
punkman kakobrekla: yeah but instead of doing everything on airgap laptop, you can do it on internet connected device [19:53]
punkman revoke subkeys every now and then, nobody will notice [19:53]
mircea_popescu ;;isup trilema.com [19:54]
gribble trilema.com is up [19:54]
mircea_popescu bah [19:54]
mircea_popescu what can you rely on in this day and age [19:54]
shinohai ^ truth [19:57]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228163 < http://smpake.com/slivnica.jpg.gpg [19:57]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 22:53:46; kakobrekla: except for .. wait for it, need to upload. [19:57]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hmew28 ) [19:58]
mircea_popescu in other news, i looked since curious nao, trilema grew 66.7536% yoy 2013/2014 and 53.1315% yoy 2014/2015. IT IS SLOWING DOWN! [19:58]
mircea_popescu and yes, that's four ~significant~ digits there. [19:58]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu jpg, postcard, from a couple of days ago. [19:59]
mircea_popescu cool! [19:59]
mircea_popescu i went to tigre. it sucked. [19:59]
mircea_popescu "oh come to see our great casino". it was not even up to mall code. [19:59]
mircea_popescu was expectiong either jay or silent bob at any turn [20:00]
* mircea_popescu disfirms. kakobrekla does in fact leave house. [20:00]
kakobrekla on a good occasion. [20:01]
mircea_popescu (to confirm, originalyl, meant to sign, like we do with the patches.) [20:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @#64; 0.00057384 = 8.0911 BTC [+] [20:02]
decimation I asked one of my coworkers if I was dour, he confirmed it was the case. [20:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15682 @#64; 0.00055696 = 8.7342 BTC [-] {3} [20:18]
shinohai Being dour is fun decimation [20:19]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [20:24]
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ascii_field achtung, panzers! [20:24]
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ascii_field diff -uNr a b | awk 'm = /^(---|+++)/{"sha512sum "" $2 """ | getline x; split(x, a, " "); print $0 " " a[1]} !m { print $0 }' [20:24]
ascii_field gives the desired behaviour. [20:24]
scoopbot_revived MPIF (F.MPIF) July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-july-2015-statement/ [20:24]
ascii_field ^^^ mircea_popescu ^^^ [20:24]
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ascii_field ~verifying~ left - for now - to the alert reader. [20:25]
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ascii_field this recipe produces a diff usable by 'patch' ~containing antecents~ and ~postcondition~ !!! [20:26]
ascii_field requires standard gnu awk. [20:26]
ascii_field replace 'sha512sum' with any checksum util. [20:26]
ascii_field http://dpaste.com/05M62XK << example output [20:27]
assbot dpaste: 05M62XK ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9mnew ) [20:27]
ascii_field mircea_popesc ^ [20:28]
ascii_field mircea_popescu ^ [20:28]
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jurov interesting, i was suddenly disconnected "for excess flooding" [20:29]
jurov while inactive [20:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @#64; 0.00056133 = 11.5353 BTC [+] {3} [20:35]
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pete_dushenski !up n6 [20:43]
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n6 I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this? [20:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TXqHAl ) [20:44]
n6 grub2-install /dev/sda is giving me that [20:44]
n6 I fixed it in the make file and redid steps after but still giving me that [20:45]
kakobrekla 'make clean' perhaps ? [20:46]
* kakobrekla nfi [20:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @#64; 0.00056441 = 17.2145 BTC [+] {3} [20:47]
n6 mean the /etc/portage/make.conf is where i messed up [20:47]
n6 done all the steps after but still wont let me leave [20:47]
danielpbarron n6 mount your boot partition from a not borked install [20:48]
n6 this is the only install I have. [20:48]
danielpbarron can be the "live" "cd" [20:48]
danielpbarron flash drive with iso or whatever [20:49]
kakobrekla ah [20:49]
n6 How? [20:49]
danielpbarron or perhaps i mistunderstood where you're stuck at, maybe you are still in this live environment [20:49]
n6 Yes still in the live environment. [20:50]
n6 Do I need to start over? [20:51]
danielpbarron i'd at least go back to where you know you messed up [20:51]
n6 I have done that, and still isn't working. [20:52]
* kakobrekla thought you were at building the turd [20:52]
n6 No I fucked it up went back tried again [20:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @#64; 0.0005566 = 20.9838 BTC [-] {3} [20:53]
n6 I built the turd to see if it might work, but it still wont let me grub anything. [20:54]
n6 I did a genkernel all to see if that would fix it (next step) still nothing. [20:54]
danielpbarron i also was not able to get grub2 to work when i installed gentoo [20:56]
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danielpbarron but i did not use that guide [20:56]
jurov tried to re-merge grub? [20:57]
jurov the GRUB_PLATFORMS looks like compile-time setting [20:57]
n6 no, this is my first time installing gentoo, how? [20:57]
jurov emerge grub [20:57]
jurov ^just that [20:57]
n6 still giving me the error [20:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @#64; 0.0005566 = 10.0745 BTC [-] [21:00]
n6 How do I boot without grub? [21:01]
BingoBoingo http://harmful.cat-v.org/society/sweden [21:01]
assbot The Swedish dream ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdDOfL ) [21:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @#64; 0.0005728 = 33.7379 BTC [+] {5} [21:01]
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danielpbarron i ended up using regular grub [21:04]
n6 What is regular grub? [21:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @#64; 0.00057445 = 58.8524 BTC [+] {4} [21:05]
danielpbarron as opposed to grub2 [21:09]
danielpbarron don't mind me, you should probably just start over [21:10]
n6 yea seems that way [21:10]
trinque n6: rebuild grub [21:12]
trinque emerge grub [21:12]
n6 I did that didn't work starting over right now.. [21:12]
trinque the flag in make.conf was concerning which of several modules would be built [21:12]
trinque alright [21:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17170 @#64; 0.00057513 = 9.875 BTC [+] {2} [21:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33295 @#64; 0.0005566 = 18.532 BTC [-] [21:24]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: see also https://web.archive.org/web/20130516060430/http://www.thelocal.se/7305/ [21:28]
assbot Who pays for Sweden's free lunch? - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdHL48 ) [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45800 @#64; 0.00057532 = 26.3497 BTC [+] {3} [21:29]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228066 << me ? son of a hitler ? lol just wait until you see what scoopy's bringin in here [21:32]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 21:49:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you! [21:32]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228206 << 'grub2' is satanic. use grub or - best of all - lilo [21:32]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 23:44:17; n6: I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this? [21:32]
trinque pete_dushenski: bahahaha [21:34]
scoopbot_revived La Serenissima fender flags: a modest proposal http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/06/la-serenissima-fender-flags-a-modest-proposal/ [21:34]
pete_dushenski trinque :D [21:35]
trinque calling all artists in la serenissima [21:35]
pete_dushenski it's hard enough to get people to test therealbitcoin, i'm not holding my breath that anyone will rise to the challenge here [21:36]
asciilifeform !up n6 [21:36]
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trinque I will admit to having drooled over the propaganda art of several such now-dead WoTs [21:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79440 @#64; 0.00057611 = 45.7662 BTC [+] {3} [21:37]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Replace eagle with Buttcoin miner [21:37]
asciilifeform 'But whether the Eagles obey us, Or we go to the Ravens--alone, I'd sooner be Lalage's lover Than sit on an Emperor's throne!' [21:38]
pete_dushenski what's that look like again ? [21:38]
asciilifeform (tm) (r) (kipling) [21:38]
asciilifeform ( http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/rimini.html ) [21:39]
assbot Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: "Rimini" ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdJsOU ) [21:39]
pete_dushenski the throne chooses you anyways, not like soldier has a choice in the matter [21:41]
n6 Now when i'm trying to boot from the usb it gets me to 2nd loading green just has red and yellow dots, and seems to stall [21:41]
n6 I have made a mess of this gentoo thing. [21:42]
danielpbarron slower is faster [21:42]
BingoBoingo n6: Maybe choose a different source based distro? http://morpheus.2f30.org/ [21:43]
assbot Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs ) [21:43]
n6 um, think it has to be gentoo here. [21:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nb [21:45]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski haha but why the eagle [21:48]
BingoBoingo n6: If you want to follow the already trodden path set out by that guide sure? Why not let your freak flag fly? [21:48]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: i crapped out a 1.25 gig tcpdump :( [21:48]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: what's next, a five litre blood sample ? [21:48]
ben_vulpes *sigh* [21:48]
n6 Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly? [21:48]
asciilifeform a 100kg stool sample ? [21:48]
ben_vulpes hey man i shit big [21:48]
mircea_popescu shit check that out, alf's quite the poetic library [21:49]
asciilifeform lolwat [21:49]
asciilifeform is there any english speaker alive who doesn't remember that one [21:49]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu to quote two footnotes... [21:49]
pete_dushenski "This is clearly meant to be a derogatory term here despite wealth and prominent position being sine qua non for any sort of meaningful cultural perspective and despite the baseless implication that the world can be more accurately described from the worm’s perspective than the eagle’s." [21:49]
pete_dushenski "People working with you when you're a benevolent dictator loved and admired by all don't rebel because they like working with you. Not because they can't. They have to be able to, otherwise they're just as much dead weight, a set of paraplegic "sidekicks" in wheelchairs you have to push around. Incredible how distorted the ant's perception of the eagle's dare is" [21:50]
mircea_popescu I have made a mess of this gentoo thing. << dun worry, you;re not the first one [21:50]
pete_dushenski eagles on the mind, it seems. [21:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i realized while sitting in car that the awk doesn't handle formation of new files, or removal. will post tweaked version later. [21:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @#64; 0.00057561 = 21.24 BTC [-] {3} [21:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. all of them. [21:50]
asciilifeform for now, can use this [21:50]
asciilifeform format will not change [21:50]
asciilifeform ever. [21:50]
mircea_popescu i suspect only russian speakers remember english literature now. [21:50]
asciilifeform l0l!! [21:50]
BingoBoingo Don't I need to learn basics before letting freak flag fly? << Hard to get more basic than Morpheus linux [21:50]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu btw that second footnote... is yours. [21:51]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: actually ~working with~ a linux without any package system whatsoever, is not entirely honestly describable as 'basic' [21:51]
pete_dushenski first is mine. [21:51]
mircea_popescu how you mean ? [21:52]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux. [21:52]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1220453 << is this still the case? [21:52]
assbot Logged on 01-08-2015 05:27:46; asciilifeform: 'dulap' and 'zoolag' now running 80000. [21:52]
asciilifeform no [21:52]
ben_vulpes mk [21:52]
asciilifeform see log. [21:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Everything about 'basic' depends on to which facet of the thing 'basic' is aimed at [21:52]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: because if not for this, 'buildroot' is your linux. << Maybe. [21:53]
ben_vulpes hm i can't find the dulap dns record in search.bitcoin-assets.com [21:53]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gYvS8L0nDY << kipling's rimini, sung, even [21:53]
assbot Leslie Fish-Rimini - Kipling - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UrxP8u ) [21:53]
asciilifeform (pretty famous) [21:53]
mircea_popescu "There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess [21:54]
mircea_popescu ~Rassah" [21:54]
mircea_popescu lol! [21:54]
ben_vulpes aha, dulap.b-a.link [21:54]
mircea_popescu for the record, lalage may be the worst female name ever. [21:54]
mircea_popescu even lola looks better. [21:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: iirc it wasn't a name [21:54]
mircea_popescu yes it was ? [21:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but meant something like 'loudmouth' [21:54]
asciilifeform nickname [21:54]
mircea_popescu well sure, in greek [21:54]
pete_dushenski !gettrust rassah [21:55]
assbot Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=rassah | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rassah/ [21:55]
mircea_popescu by the time the latins got to it... ovid had a poem [21:55]
mircea_popescu no nm, horace had a poem, about some chick lalalage. [21:55]
*hanboti* iono how he's going to have a kid [21:56]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aka nosuchlabs.com [21:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform incidentally, i re-saw der untergang today. [21:57]
mircea_popescu that film's actually quite good. [21:57]
asciilifeform das war ein Befehl! [21:58]
pete_dushenski http://www.minichamps.co.it/SIGNATURE/Mercedes_770_K_Pullman_1938.jpg << for anyone wondering what 'fender flags' are, see red pieces here [21:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdMbIi ) [21:58]
* BingoBoingo replaces ferrocerium in firebox [21:58]
mircea_popescu i think wiedling is my favourite character in the entire fucking story. [21:59]
mircea_popescu that thing when his adjutant saves him from impact and he pats the guy on the shoulder and spits... [21:59]
mircea_popescu the definitive scene of war. [21:59]
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pete_dushenski et... je depart encore une fois. ciao ! [22:02]
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BingoBoingo email http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html [22:04]
assbot Mail::RFC822::Address ... ( http://bit.ly/1MdN5oc ) [22:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @#64; 0.00057749 = 14.2063 BTC [+] {3} [22:05]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: would be lulzy if it bufferdiddles [22:08]
BingoBoingo I am perl illiterate [22:08]
BingoBoingo But, would be lulzy indeed [22:08]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228079 << iirc it won't hash binaries [22:10]
assbot Logged on 06-08-2015 22:01:29; mircea_popescu: http://www.paranoiacs.org/~sluskyb/hacks/hashalot/ [22:10]
asciilifeform only printables! [22:10]
asciilifeform on stdin. [22:10]
mats association with mp and b-a is difficult enough as it is, plz no nazi logos [22:25]
BingoBoingo !up n6 [22:31]
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BingoBoingo n6: For educational purposes only http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/operating-systems/os-suck [22:35]
assbot Canonical list of operating systems that suck ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iu7HST ) [22:35]
mircea_popescu o.O [22:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64113 @#64; 0.00057885 = 37.1118 BTC [+] {3} [22:42]
BingoBoingo "I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet. – Erik Naggum" [22:46]
trinque oh yeah? go to the portland django girls meetup and ask them how many of them are programmers [22:48]
BingoBoingo Related http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ [22:48]
assbot C++ Frequently Questioned Answers ... ( http://bit.ly/1M9fwC1 ) [22:48]
BingoBoingo trinque: One of these days Imma make my own blog platform. Like wordpress but less shitty. Give it 20 years [22:49]
trinque haha [22:49]
trinque make it a static site generator and you win [22:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @#64; 0.00056554 = 12.046 BTC [-] [22:50]
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BingoBoingo trinque: For that werc seems fine. Almsot entirely static site plus comment form is the challenge [22:52]
BingoBoingo And spam filter [22:52]
trinque interesting, rc is the plan9 shell right? [22:52]
trinque looks so [22:52]
trinque how's that thing? [22:53]
BingoBoingo I'm not sure rc is jsut the plan9 shell. On Openbsd I see those two letter attached to all kinds of scripts and Openrc is apparently best Gentoo init. [22:54]
trinque http://werc.cat-v.org/ << actually looks like it does use the rc shell [22:55]
assbot werc - A sane web anti-framework ... ( http://bit.ly/1IubEH5 ) [22:55]
trinque though yup, you see that around elsewhere too [22:56]
trinque "run control" maybe? [22:56]
trinque in the case of the init systems [22:56]
BingoBoingo Maybe? Also a lot of stuff just works on a lot of shells [22:56]
trinque https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19455-01/805-7228/6j6q7uepi/index.html << looks like that's a usage of rc [22:56]
assbot Run Control Scripts (System Administration Guide, Volume 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IubQWT ) [22:56]
BingoBoingo I guess plan9 shell could be named rc the same way apache, nginx, and 500 other things are named rc [22:58]
BingoBoingo *httpd [22:58]
trinque could be it used to have a firm meaning then squished into "uh I dunno man, some shell script like thing" [22:58]
trinque happens all the time [22:58]
BingoBoingo trinque: Think I found it http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/csh [22:58]
assbot Csh Programming Considered Harmful ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iucdk8 ) [22:58]
BingoBoingo plan9 rc is just plan9 rc [22:59]
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BingoBoingo The curse set upon us by Bell Labs is wildly different things running as the same names all because on some superficial level the function they try to do is "the same" [23:15]
BingoBoingo !up n6 [23:15]
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n6 Seems to be failing in the same spot again this time with everything done right. [23:15]
BingoBoingo Build something else? [23:15]
n6 Yes lilo but not sure how to set it up to replace grub in this spot [23:15]
n6 asciilifeform: could you help me? [23:16]
asciilifeform n6: whatcha doing [23:16]
n6 I need to use lilo in place of grub here http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt [23:16]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1IufjEU ) [23:16]
n6 I just emerged it [23:17]
trinque n6: mang don't use lilo [23:17]
trinque what computer are you on [23:17]
n6 amd64 desktop [23:17]
trinque lilo you're gonna have to run each time you change the kernel or end up unbootable [23:17]
asciilifeform n6: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LILO << cookbook [23:17]
trinque n6: what's the snag? [23:17]
assbot LILO - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iufxfd ) [23:17]
asciilifeform trinque: and grub you also reconfigure each time you change the kernel [23:17]
n6 I think its this version of gentoo its the same error as last time this time with all spelling right [23:17]
trinque asciilifeform: nah symlink for current kernel [23:17]
trinque doesn't lilo need to eat the kernel each time? [23:18]
asciilifeform trinque swaps kernels daily ? [23:18]
trinque no [23:18]
trinque yet fuck having to get a boot disk [23:18]
asciilifeform what boot disk [23:18]
asciilifeform run from live machine [23:18]
trinque the fail mode of lilo is worse than the fail mode of grub [23:18]
asciilifeform why should it fail [23:18]
asciilifeform grub2 is an atrocity [23:19]
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asciilifeform what, 5x the size of therealbitcoin ? [23:19]
trinque what's wrong with grub 0.9.whatever [23:19]
asciilifeform with own vga drivers, even [23:19]
trinque sure sure [23:19]
asciilifeform and miniature 32-bit os [23:19]
asciilifeform and font renderer [23:19]
trinque no argument here [23:19]
asciilifeform FUCKING TRUETYPE [23:19]
asciilifeform diediedie [23:19]
decimation grub struck me as being about 50x more complex than it needed to be [23:19]
asciilifeform decimation: try grub2 ! [23:20]
trinque asciilifeform: ah derp I forgot the guide uses grub2 [23:20]
decimation yeah, even worse [23:20]
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asciilifeform a true victory of who mircea_popescu called 'UXers' if ever there was one. [23:20]
BingoBoingo http://git.suckless.org/sinit [23:20]
assbot sinit - suckless init ... ( http://bit.ly/1IugfZZ ) [23:20]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this has docs somewhere ? [23:21]
BingoBoingo Doesn grub even fit onto a boot sector [23:21]
asciilifeform or is one expected to read the code [23:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what do you think [23:21]
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BingoBoingo http://core.suckless.org/sinit and just maybe on deviant storage devices? [23:23]
assbot sinit - suckless init | suckless.org core - userspace foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1IugO5W ) [23:23]
BingoBoingo Also https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTU5NTI [23:23]
assbot Another Init System: Sinit - The Suckless Init System - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iuh4lo ) [23:24]
BingoBoingo This init system is indeed very simple: "sinit exposes a set of operations via a FIFO. Normally this FIFO resides at '/var/run/sinit.fifo'. There are two commands currently supported, 'reboot' and 'poweroff'." [23:24]
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n6 asciilifeform: Still don't understand, lots of the stuff in this conf I don't know, yet [23:25]
asciilifeform gotta start somewhere [23:26]
n6 Feel like it might really hurt to fail another time. [23:26]
asciilifeform take a break [23:26]
asciilifeform not everyone has to do everything. [23:26]
trinque failure is also good for you [23:26]
trinque and is unavoidable when dealing with computers [23:26]
n6 asciilifeform: How do I even find out what kernel i'm running to put into the config? [23:28]
asciilifeform ls -l /boot [23:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91650 @#64; 0.00057904 = 53.069 BTC [+] {3} [23:29]
asciilifeform (may have to mount /boot first [23:29]
asciilifeform ) [23:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @#64; 0.00056894 = 32.202 BTC [-] {2} [23:36]
n6 All i get for ls -l /boot is drwx------ 2 root root 12288 Aug 6 18:32 lost+found [23:40]
n6 maybe its not mounted. [23:40]
n6 telling me "/dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/gentoo/boot" but see nothing but lost+found [23:42]
n6 Oh i must genkernel all first sorry. [23:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 249622 @#64; 0.00058141 = 145.1327 BTC [+] {9} [23:45]
BingoBoingo !up n6 [23:47]
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BingoBoingo http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/xml_ascent.png [23:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy0HY7 ) [23:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33123 @#64; 0.00056531 = 18.7248 BTC [-] {3} [23:50]
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BingoBoingo http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/xml/s-exp_vs_XML [23:53]
assbot S-exp vs XML, by Erik Naggum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dy1dp3 ) [23:53]
BingoBoingo Also apparently WaPo wants the person who killed HP to kill USia http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/06/carly_fiorina_the_former_hewlett_packard_ceo_won_the_kids_table_debate.html [23:59]
assbot Carly Fiorina: The former Hewlett Packard CEO won the kids' table debate. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdDk6s ) [23:59]
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