Forum logs for 05 Oct 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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dakid	so the elephant in the room.... GLBSE.... if it is required to shut down by the FSA, what happens to the shares of legitimate mining coop's?	[00:12]
Lyspooner	glbse moves	[00:12]
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copumpkin	are you an accredited investor?	[00:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.00039785 = 0.5968 BTC [+]	[00:13]
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jurov	oh, one day away and all hell breaks loose...	[00:16]
dakid	copumpkin: accredited? I had a few shares spread around, nothing huge though	[00:17]
dakid	jurov: one day away from what?	[00:17]
jurov	from irc and btctalk	[00:17]
copumpkin	dakid: US issuers aren't supposed to be able to solicit investment from anyone but accredited investors, and accredited means you have a lot of money or make a lot of money :)	[00:18]
copumpkin	so a lot of what you thought were legit shares might not be, if they were issued by people in the US	[00:18]
copumpkin	and I think other countries have similar laws	[00:18]
copumpkin	it's the reason most people can't invest in a hedge fund	[00:18]
copumpkin	it's the law	[00:18]
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dakid	ah, actually i would probably qualify	[00:19]
dakid	after reading the qualifications	[00:20]
copumpkin	well, doesn't save the issuers :)	[00:20]
copumpkin	if they're making public offerings, they need to follow regulations, and if not, they need to be talking only to accredited investors	[00:20]
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copumpkin	and I'm guessing that most bitcoiners don't qualify :)	[00:22]
dakid	i never thought glbse was a 100% legal, i just assumed it was in the grey area of the law or was based out of a place without such regulations	[00:22]
GoonyGooGoo	dakid: We'll see on Satuday.	[00:23]
Ignatius-otc	everyone I spoke with said it was grey area	[00:23]
Ignatius-otc	we'll see it seems:)	[00:23]
PeanutPower	when you invest neopoints on the neopets site do you need to be an accredited investor ?	[00:23]
GoonyGooGoo	neopoints/neopets?	[00:24]
PeanutPower	ya neopets.com	[00:24]
GoonyGooGoo	Perhaps we need to lauch our BTC securities on neopets.com	[00:24]
PeanutPower	yeah they have a stock market	[00:24]
PeanutPower	the neodaq or something like that :P	[00:24]
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dakid	GoonyGooGoo: hahaha, then they'll come after the evil bitcoiners for taking advantage of little kids	[00:25]
PeanutPower	i think most people don't consider btc a genuine currency if you read the popular press	[00:26]
PeanutPower	like loyalty points at a supermarket	[00:26]
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dakid	i wonder if anyones tried twittering/calling the FSA and asking about GLBSE	[00:27]
PeanutPower	i bet they wouldn't recognise it as a real entity	[00:28]
PeanutPower	easier for them that way	[00:28]
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PeanutPower	nothing new here http://blog.glbse.com/	[00:34]
PeanutPower	or here http://twitter.com/bitcoinglobal	[00:34]
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rg	dakid	[00:34]
rg	i would not recommend that	[00:34]
rg	that's like calling the cops and asking them if they know about a crack house	[00:34]
rg	if they didn't	[00:34]
rg	they do now	[00:34]
Doffx	Is that Nefario?	[00:34]
Doffx	He looks like the type of guy that would hang out with mircea_popescu	[00:35]
rg	what's that supposed to mean	[00:35]
rg	you are making fun of two of my friends	[00:35]
rg	and you may die	[00:35]
dakid	rg: the SEC/FSA already knows about that crack house	[00:35]
rg	dakid: can you do me a favor?	[00:36]
Doffx	I'm not sure where I said anything bad about them.	[00:36]
dakid	perhaps	[00:36]
rg	WAKE ME UP, BEFORE YOU GO GO DONT LEAVE ME HANGIN ON LIKE A YO YO	[00:36]
rg	wake me UP	[00:37]
rg	before you go go	[00:37]
rg	and take me dancin tonight	[00:37]
rg	i wanna hit that hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighh yea yea yea	[00:37]
rg	you put the boom boom into my brain	[00:37]
rg	and i bang bang bang do whatever the same	[00:37]
dakid	lol	[00:37]
rg	jitterbug into my brain	[00:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 500 @ 0.00039785 = 0.1989 BTC [+]	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2600 @ 0.00039785 = 1.0344 BTC [+]	[00:38]
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Ignatius-otc	looks like all of you are screwed...but I've got claim codes	[00:43]
*	Ignatius-otc rofl's	[00:43]
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noagendamarket	now everyone can be goat	[00:46]
PsychoticBoy	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU_bz-6giiU	[00:46]
dakid	excuse me, i think some one sat on their drum machine :-P	[00:49]
Ignatius-otc	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNrX5lCciMk	[00:49]
Ignatius-otc	i like PsychoticBoy's link tho	[00:50]
PsychoticBoy	:D	[00:50]
noagendamarket	and its gone :P	[00:50]
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dakid	I love dieselboy	[00:50]
Ignatius-otc	that track is win around the 2:00 mark "ladies and gentlemen its time for us to present to you something strong"	[00:51]
kakobrekla	this 'remix' is bull.	[00:51]
dub	PsychoticBoy: jesus man, that brings back some memories	[00:52]
PsychoticBoy	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3KGTbWxslw&feature=related	[00:53]
PsychoticBoy	this brings back mem	[00:53]
rg	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/10/i-am-calling-you-from-windows-a-tech-support-scammer-dials-ars-technica/	[00:53]
rg	i am calling you from windows	[00:54]
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noagendamarket	lol	[00:56]
noagendamarket	we get those calls all the time	[00:56]
noagendamarket	I ask them to delete system 32	[00:57]
dub	yeah that shit is OLD	[00:57]
Ignatius-otc	I have never gotten such a call...I will prepare a win virtual machine full of scat porn for the occasion	[00:57]
rg	if they worked on their script	[00:57]
rg	i bet they wouldve been way more successful	[00:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31442 @ 0.00036361 = 11.4326 BTC [-]	[01:04]
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RogueAI	no ops in #glbse, that's a bit ominous	[01:09]
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dub	not really	[01:10]
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RogueAI	even given the website text? usually there is at least one op idling in that channel (at least there used to be)	[01:10]
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dub	nefario is busy being waterboarded, he'll get back to you shortly	[01:12]
boonies4u	lol	[01:12]
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noagendamarket	lol	[01:15]
noagendamarket	I hate those orange jumpsuits	[01:16]
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dub	this is why glbse is down www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgmgsLe0xrM	[01:19]
jurov	Looks like it is necessary to assure everyone that the 30BTC fee for new MPEx accounts has no effect on coinbr users, current or future ones.	[01:22]
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drekk	TIL: "cockjuggling thundercunts" -- i'll just leave this here	[01:23]
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boonies4u	coinbr a broker?	[01:23]
boonies4u	nvm	[01:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4100 @ 0.00039785 = 1.6312 BTC [+]	[01:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51400 @ 0.00036123 = 18.5672 BTC [-]	[01:29]
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drekk	did the closedown of glbse have any significant impact on mpex trading volume (yet)?	[01:37]
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dub	hi nefario	[01:43]
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drekk	ha!	[01:45]
BTC-Mining	Who say's that's nefario?	[01:48]
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dub	his gecos and ISP	[01:48]
BTC-Mining	Not authed, not using nefario's registered nick	[01:48]
BTC-Mining	Just coming from the same ISP as Nefario	[01:49]
dub	yeah, im sure its a coincidence	[01:49]
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drekk	Smoovious, last time i checked that was just one of many rumors being spread	[01:50]
drekk	right	[01:50]
RogueAI	you think if it was an update or move they could just say so	[01:51]
drekk	i replace "closedown" with "downtime" in my question	[01:51]
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BTC-Mining	Not a coincidence. Just someone also in the UK trying to pass as nefario. Or he just forgot to obfuscate that before coming here to see how people were going.	[01:51]
RogueAI	Smoovius: "We are updating" "We are moving servers" How hard is that to type?	[01:51]
noagendamarket	the fact hes not in contact with the other major shareholders isnt good.	[01:52]
drekk	but it has implications. bitches love implications	[01:52]
dub	I assume he's in contact with some people	[01:52]
RogueAI	well it means they are almost braindead when it comes to writing temporary placeholder text	[01:53]
dub	-NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last seen : Oct 04 15:19:01 2012 (7 hours, 31 minutes, 57 seconds ago)	[01:53]
noagendamarket	hes probably ibn the tower of london lol	[01:53]
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RogueAI	which just doesn't match up with their ability to use a computer	[01:53]
BTC-Mining	As far as I know, nefario already has a place to live.	[01:53]
RogueAI	sure, but I don't think "they are massively incompetent" is much better reasoning than any other	[01:53]
dub	well we already know that	[01:54]
dub	just look at the website	[01:54]
drekk	Smoovious, well... so did you presenting the "moving servers" theory as a fact :P	[01:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00039785 = 0.9946 BTC [+]	[01:54]
drekk	then phrase it that way or add to the FUD	[01:55]
drekk	ok. not gonna argue over that	[01:56]
noagendamarket	I dont think nefario is dishonest in any way. Just poor decision making.	[01:57]
BTC-Mining	Like I told him once, I believe he is a great developer, but decision wise, he's not good at PR.	[01:58]
BTC-Mining	I say the same about Mircea or Diablo-D3.	[01:58]
noagendamarket	glbse needs a board of directors and PR	[01:58]
BTC-Mining	They can dev, but take PR decisions?	[01:58]
BTC-Mining	Meh	[01:58]
noagendamarket	Nefario should stick to devloping :P	[01:59]
drekk	seems to be the prob with most assets i've seen on the forum: lack of communication skills	[01:59]
BTC-Mining	In the meanwhile... let's wait for Saturday.	[02:00]
BTC-Mining	Lack of communication? I've seen tons of deposit takers dismissing legit questions as trolls and critics as trolls. Even completly valid points. If they were trolls, well they succeeded, you couldn't even counter-argue.	[02:01]
drekk	lack of communicatiom skills. quantity != quality	[02:02]
BTC-Mining	No, but it's important nonetheless	[02:02]
drekk	agree	[02:03]
BTC-Mining	Answer everything until people can only come up with statements so crazy it would make them look bad to bring them forward. You'd often realize "trolls" were actually more the paranoid type than trolls and eventually are satisfied.	[02:03]
drekk	depends on your ressources. and quality of the trolls. if you find yourself answering questions all day instead of doing business, you've got a problem	[02:05]
BTC-Mining	Aye, but the thing is, those who took the time to make everything clear and answer everything promptly pretty much don't have those "trolls" in their threads, oddly.	[02:07]
drekk	might be, i don't think the amount of trolls in a thread is a good indicator, tho. especially with usagi it looks to me as if personal/emotional reason were involved	[02:08]
BTC-Mining	I think it's mostly people invested in his funds and not happy about the fact usagi chose some investments which were losing investments.	[02:11]
BTC-Mining	Probably.	[02:11]
BTC-Mining	I never created a fund for that reason.	[02:11]
BTC-Mining	You get 5%-10% of the 1-2% investments get weekly (For 1000 BTC, that's around $5-20 per week)	[02:12]
BTC-Mining	Do you really have any incentive to be there most of the day to manage and quickly move positions?	[02:13]
BTC-Mining	Most funds were lower than that, around 200-500 BTC tho.	[02:13]
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BTC-Mining	And a single big loss impacts everyone to top it.	[02:13]
BTC-Mining	Managing a fund seems like the worst idea you could make.	[02:14]
drekk	with btc under current conditions? definitely	[02:15]
drekk	otherwise it sounds like a fun hobby if you have the time at your hands	[02:15]
BTC-Mining	I took loans through GLBSE.	[02:16]
dakid	how long does it take to get verified these days on mtgox? anyone know	[02:16]
BTC-Mining	Paid far less in interests than any funds/securities.	[02:17]
BTC-Mining	Much simpler	[02:17]
BTC-Mining	Keep most profits for myself where I can make some.	[02:18]
BTC-Mining	A loan contract is better.	[02:18]
drekk	if you're looking for interests, then of course. dividends != interests. ppl often confuse them	[02:19]
noagendamarket	btcjam does most of the stuff glbse does lol	[02:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2000 @ 0.00039786 = 0.7957 BTC [+]	[02:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 300 @ 0.00039786 = 0.1194 BTC [+]	[02:20]
BTC-Mining	Yes, exactly. I was offering 0.5% in interests paid weekly.	[02:20]
BTC-Mining	26% per year, semi-high credit card rate.	[02:20]
boonies4u	BTC-Mining: I put up a loan on btcjam, still being funded	[02:21]
boonies4u	I'm glad I didn't do a LTO or fund on GLBSE	[02:21]
noagendamarket	I hedged glbse with litecoinglobal lol	[02:21]
noagendamarket	feelsgoodman.jpg	[02:21]
boonies4u	anything worth noting on ltc-global?	[02:22]
boonies4u	i haven't bought/invested litecoins yet	[02:23]
boonies4u	only mined and traded	[02:23]
drekk	i've "invested" 3 coins in pyramining (read: i was drunk). break-even in 13 months. yea. sure. call me maybe	[02:23]
noagendamarket	for one thing you can buy shares in the exchange itself lol	[02:23]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: like mpex?	[02:24]
boonies4u	lol	[02:24]
noagendamarket	bitcoin investing is closely related to flushung the toilet	[02:24]
boonies4u	explain	[02:24]
noagendamarket	or sitting on top of a skyscraper and thrpowing $5 notes off it	[02:24]
BTC-Mining	Eh, I had ~18000 USD in assets on GLBSE + 3460 USD loaned through BTC-BOND + ~20000 USD through BTC-MINING	[02:25]
noagendamarket	ouch	[02:25]
kakobrekla	maybe some mpex user finds this useful http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jtuEzGbv	[02:25]
noagendamarket	mpex is for porn lol	[02:25]
BTC-Mining	I have BitVPS shares on MPEx	[02:25]
BTC-Mining	Delicious hosting shares	[02:25]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: you can make money investing bitcoins	[02:26]
noagendamarket	yes I trade the spread :P	[02:26]
boonies4u	that's fun to	[02:26]
boonies4u	especially for turds	[02:26]
noagendamarket	yah	[02:26]
drekk	i think mpex is actually pretty interesting. i dont care about the domain, porn and alleged child pr0n. but the fee spoils it for me atm	[02:26]
boonies4u	free spoils?	[02:26]
noagendamarket	yeah thew mpex fee ius a huge barrier	[02:26]
drekk	boonies4u, -r	[02:27]
boonies4u	oh fee spoils	[02:27]
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BTC-Mining	Considering I started with 7000 USD/900 BTC and ended up with 18000 USD/1500 BTC in value, I'd say trading was good until GLBSE went offline.	[02:27]
drekk	:)	[02:27]
boonies4u	I hope it comes back online... or i'm gonna have to buy an FPGA	[02:27]
boonies4u	and I can't daytrade FPGAs	[02:27]
noagendamarket	BTC-Mining was one of the better assets	[02:27]
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BTC-Mining	3460 USD loaned through BTC-BOND + ~20000 USD through BTC-MINING I'll need the list of holders to return anything back.	[02:28]
boonies4u	I only have a few bonds lying around	[02:28]
BTC-Mining	The problem is that 20000 USD + about ~10000 USD of my 18k was in BTC-MINING	[02:28]
noagendamarket	I liquidated most of my personal shares a week ago	[02:28]
BTC-Mining	and Amazingrando from Bitbond has those funds loaned to.	[02:28]
boonies4u	nice	[02:29]
noagendamarket	I suspected this was coming	[02:29]
BTC-Mining	He can return them, but without a list of BTC-MINING holders, I cannot return anything.	[02:29]
boonies4u	hopefully nefario doesn't kill himself or vanish	[02:29]
drekk	why seems everybody to be so anti-cryptostocks? besides the fact i've only found two assets that i'd out money in	[02:29]
noagendamarket	Its funny that BTC-Mining had value because it didnt actually own hardware yet lol	[02:30]
drekk	out=put	[02:30]
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noagendamarket	ie it was fully backed by the bitcoins it holds :D	[02:30]
BTC-Mining	It had a loan with one of the large serious miner, with an agreement for that hashing paying the dividends to be repurchased back at 100%	[02:30]
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BTC-Mining	So we were making money while accumulating funds for FPGA/ASICs	[02:30]
noagendamarket	yah	[02:31]
BTC-Mining	Without ever actually spending on equipment before seeing it working.	[02:31]
BTC-Mining	We were getting ready.	[02:31]
BTC-Mining	It was the largest pool of funds for the large ASIC rigs.	[02:31]
noagendamarket	its a good way to do it	[02:31]
BTC-Mining	We almost had enough for one.	[02:31]
boonies4u	don't act so negative	[02:31]
boonies4u	nefario could turn back around and damage control could go quite smoothly	[02:31]
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BTC-Mining	So far I'm confident GLBSE will come back or a list of holders will be released.	[02:32]
BTC-Mining	I'm not really worrying too much.	[02:32]
boonies4u	I dodged a bullet	[02:32]
drekk	boonies4u, stop being rational and spread more FUD! ;)	[02:32]
BTC-Mining	eh, if GLBSE come back and everyone panic sells...	[02:33]
boonies4u	drekk: where's mpex and realsolid?	[02:33]
boonies4u	I actually like nefario	[02:33]
BTC-Mining	I think I'll own a large portion of every assets.	[02:33]
noagendamarket	The SEC cant repossess greyhounds lol	[02:33]
boonies4u	lol	[02:33]
noagendamarket	ftw	[02:34]
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RogueAI	if it's a list, it needs to be a signed list of bitcoin addresses linked to holdings	[02:34]
noagendamarket	I wouldnt accept the code thing nefario is pushing	[02:34]
RogueAI	no way	[02:34]
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RogueAI	BTC address or jump off a bridge	[02:35]
noagendamarket	has to be gpg signed messages if anything.	[02:35]
RogueAI	yep	[02:35]
RogueAI	so if any scammers or trolls confront, you can link to the transactions	[02:35]
BTC-Mining	Nefario should provide a way to submit a BTC address to be given to OPs	[02:35]
RogueAI	with the signed document as source	[02:35]
BTC-Mining	Then we can claim/transact with the OP through signing with said BTC address/receiving payments there.	[02:36]
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boonies4u	beh...	[02:37]
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boonies4u	here's to hoping glbse comes back up	[02:37]
boonies4u	and not some "list"	[02:37]
noagendamarket	lets hope so	[02:37]
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RogueAI	with a decent PR person ;p	[02:38]
noagendamarket	cant afford it lol	[02:38]
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noagendamarket	Nefario takes all the profit :P	[02:38]
RogueAI	:(	[02:39]
RogueAI	he should write a book to fund the PR position	[02:39]
RogueAI	"How to ruin a business in minutes"	[02:39]
boonies4u	what exactly did he "do"?	[02:39]
boonies4u	I've only heard 2nd hand snippets from usagi	[02:39]
RogueAI	delisted something in a terrible fashion	[02:39]
noagendamarket	he delisted goat	[02:40]
noagendamarket	and gave him a broken redemption scheme	[02:40]
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RogueAI	then took the site down with this as the lead sentence on the parked page "For those worried about their bitcoin, please calm yourselves there has been no hack and your coins are safe and all accounted for."	[02:40]
RogueAI	Don't worry I didn't pull a bitcoinic@40 guys ROFLMAO	[02:41]
RogueAI	I bet that makes you guys feel all warm and fuzzy, I R GR8 @ PR	[02:41]
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RogueAI	noagendamarket, the scary thing is that Nefario has used better systems in the past. So it appears from the outside that he was looking to hose over Goat.	[02:42]
boonies4u	so he delisted goat and shut down the site?	[02:43]
boonies4u	sounds silly, not necessarily damaging	[02:43]
RogueAI	there was time between the two actions	[02:43]
BTC-Mining	The thing with GLBSE compared to trading platforms is that most put funds, buy some stocks, and the ops spends it outside GLBSE.	[02:43]
BTC-Mining	So there's far from the whole assets' value at any time in GLBSE's wallet.	[02:44]
noagendamarket	GLBSE doesnt hold much btc	[02:44]
noagendamarket	its simply a trading platform,	[02:44]
BTC-Mining	I hardly see it profitable to just steal that even if it's a good few thousands BTC over going long term with GLBSE seriously.	[02:44]
boonies4u	ok, so no one knows why the page was put up?	[02:44]
RogueAI	that's to be expected, on a USD exchange the exchange doesn't horde the funds	[02:44]
BTC-Mining	You would have to be a very lousy and lazy thief to go away with just GLBSE's wallet.	[02:44]
noagendamarket	nefario wants to go regulated but others dont :P	[02:45]
RogueAI	there has been no official reasoning, just that park page. boonies4u	[02:45]
boonies4u	scary	[02:45]
BTC-Mining	My guess is SEC/FSA clawing back because of Pirate	[02:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13542 @ 0.00036461 = 4.9375 BTC [+]	[02:45]
boonies4u	if I were him, I would have just put up a bogus maintenance page	[02:45]
boonies4u	would have gone so much smoother	[02:45]
BTC-Mining	or he screwed the rolling out of GLBSE v.3 and he's now in panic mode trying to make it work.	[02:45]
BTC-Mining	boonies, quite...	[02:46]
boonies4u	is GLBSE v3 the one with actually functioning blue,white,pink, and black markets?	[02:46]
BTC-Mining	People would all have gone cheering with expectations about a shiney GLBSE v3	[02:46]
boonies4u	then he could say it was just normal maintenance, and that they shouldn't have overreacted	[02:47]
boonies4u	we need a live ticker on the number of hairs on nefario's head	[02:47]
BTC-Mining	I would easily see this happening: after the weekend, Nefario comes back, looks at all the talks and would be something like: "What the heck? I put a notice not to panic! Look at the shiny new v3!"	[02:47]
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asa1024	damn out of popcorn!	[02:48]
boonies4u	this could be a good chance to buy stocks from panic sellers	[02:48]
boonies4u	after it goes back up	[02:48]
*	BTC-Mining makes a waste container full of popcorn.	[02:48]
BTC-Mining	Big enough asa1024?	[02:49]
asa1024	lol	[02:49]
boonies4u	actually I have popcorn... >3>	[02:49]
boonies4u	>:3	[02:49]
boonies4u	>;D	[02:49]
dub	pirate says the SEC havent contacted him	[02:50]
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BTC-Mining	Really?	[02:50]
RogueAI	*take with mountain of salt	[02:50]
BTC-Mining	Odd... maybe they're so slow they haven't even yet figured who this "Pirateat40" is.	[02:50]
RogueAI	but yes, he said he hasn't been served with any papers yet	[02:50]
RogueAI	well they are slow	[02:51]
RogueAI	we know that from the post-Madoff review	[02:51]
BTC-Mining	They probably starting to have a bigger picture of what happened and info about the passthrough issuers.	[02:51]
RogueAI	my guess is they are in the public information gathering stage	[02:51]
BTC-Mining	And will have to get Pirate's identity through them.	[02:51]
RogueAI	to assess whether more action is needed	[02:51]
noagendamarket	I wondered why nefario asked what does the red button do the other day :P	[02:52]
BTC-Mining	noagendamarket, lol	[02:53]
boonies4u	pirate already said he's in no physical danger	[02:54]
boonies4u	he already has his pirate island	[02:54]
bitcoinbear	I want my own island	[02:54]
boonies4u	you can make one out of plastic bottles	[02:55]
boonies4u	though it would be more attractive to use the plastic balls made out recycled materials	[02:55]
bitcoinbear	but I just gave up coke, no more bottles for me	[02:55]
BTC-Mining	True, plastic bottles degrade slowly. And are full of air. Perfect material for a cheap fleating island.	[02:56]
boonies4u	bitcoinbear: lol	[02:56]
boonies4u	what about tea, water, sun drop?	[02:56]
noagendamarket	bitcoiners dont do shit when you rip them, off...so people rip them off	[02:57]
boonies4u	sad but true	[02:57]
bitcoinbear	actually, the other day I was contemplating stealing one of the islands in Lake Michigan	[02:57]
boonies4u	stealing?	[02:57]
boonies4u	you mean squatting?	[02:57]
bitcoinbear	how long would it take people to notice me way out there?	[02:57]
noagendamarket	people break in to houses inn Australia because no one has guns and you can sue the house owner if you break a leg while stealing from them	[02:57]
bitcoinbear	no, stealing, making my own country	[02:58]
RogueAI	new Red Dwarf season Ep 1 is out	[02:58]
boonies4u	bitcoinbear: I guess it depends on if border patrol boats go near it or not	[02:59]
boonies4u	you could make a nice little border jumping hub	[02:59]
bitcoinbear	no border on lake michigan, until I declare one	[02:59]
noagendamarket	I think the lakota indians seceeded again didnt they ?	[03:00]
bitcoinbear	but yes, I have seen coast gaurd out there	[03:00]
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BTC-Mining	Make a tribe with your own language, never educate the kids about any word of english. If the first generation dies along with english before you are discovered, the next ones when discovered would be a completly non-english speaking, oblivious to technology, tribe of people from american descent...	[03:01]
BTC-Mining	It would make things interesting at least.	[03:02]
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bitcoinbear	why must they be oblivious to tech?	[03:04]
drekk	..and call it "hobo land"	[03:04]
noagendamarket	lol	[03:04]
noagendamarket	sounds like WACO	[03:05]
bitcoinbear	make bitcoin the official curreny ofthe tribe	[03:05]
boonies4u	lol	[03:05]
drekk	banana coins	[03:05]
boonies4u	I don't bitcoin to be an official currency by a country	[03:05]
boonies4u	it would remove the voluntary nature of bitcoin	[03:06]
noagendamarket	is it still bitcoin if you change the name of the client ?	[03:06]
boonies4u	don't want*	[03:06]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: what is this I don't even	[03:06]
noagendamarket	just search and replace all uses of the word bitcoin lol	[03:06]
BTC-Mining	I don't care about the voluntary nature of bitcoins, I care about the lack of centralization.	[03:07]
noagendamarket	The lead dev being in charge of the bitcoin foundation doesnt help :P	[03:08]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: oh hush	[03:08]
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boonies4u	noagendamarket: this is what I have a problem with http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/10/04/bitcoin-prevents-monetary-tyranny/	[03:09]
RogueAI	The network is pretty safe as long as the majority don't adopt a code release with centralizing features	[03:09]
noagendamarket	boonies4u why ?	[03:10]
drekk	meh. think the bigger problem is centralization of PR/visibility to the outside	[03:10]
RogueAI	boonies4u, you mean you have a problem with monetary tyranny, correct?	[03:10]
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boonies4u	RogueAI: I have a problem with an organization politicizing bitcoin, which would be essentially throwing non-anonymous members and bitcoiners under the bus	[03:11]
boonies4u	putting up articles like that is what will get us declared as terrorists	[03:11]
RogueAI	well it's from forbes	[03:12]
RogueAI	I once made the mistake of reading an issue at a laundromat	[03:12]
boonies4u	it's a Forbes article by Jon Matonis	[03:13]
RogueAI	what a dirty rag of a media company	[03:13]
RogueAI	I don't doubt that there are plenty of idiot people out there who won't understand that no one can speak for a inanimate trading unit	[03:13]
noagendamarket	yeah I wont be joining the foundation :P	[03:14]
boonies4u	Jon Matonis, a founder of TBF, https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/board	[03:14]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: it's probably too late for me	[03:14]
RogueAI	maybe you should start seeding "John Matis is an idiot" around the internet	[03:14]
noagendamarket	Jon Matonis works for Visa	[03:14]
copumpkin	he used to	[03:15]
drekk	"Centralised. Here we are with the worlds most powerful distributed system with countless possibilities for expansion and yet we keep building an infrastructure with centralised components like we're still living in the dot com boom and practically every damn attack has been against centralised components." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115430.msg1246227#msg1246227 ;)	[03:15]
RogueAI	My career has included senior influential posts at Sumitomo Bank, VISA, VeriSign, and Hushmail.	[03:15]
RogueAI	ok that Jon Matonis bio is giving me creepy feelings about Gavin's past CIA talk	[03:15]
boonies4u	I don't want TBF to lead bitcoin to either extreme	[03:16]
RogueAI	payment processors, SSL Cert issuer, and a supposedly secure email service	[03:16]
boonies4u	I don	[03:16]
boonies4u	I don't want bitcoin to become centralized or regulated, but I also don't want it to be labeled as a tool to be used against the state	[03:16]
RogueAI	that has the scent of intelligence asset all ove rit	[03:16]
RogueAI	over it*	[03:16]
RogueAI	why did they let this guy be a founder?	[03:17]
RogueAI	only makes me wonder how compromised any other founders are	[03:17]
noagendamarket	its not a tool to take down the state its a tool against bankers :P	[03:17]
boonies4u	that's just as bad	[03:17]
boonies4u	well "bad"	[03:17]
noagendamarket	yea probably	[03:18]
RogueAI	imo, the mantra for BTC should be "medium of exchange for the internet"	[03:18]
RogueAI	nothing political	[03:18]
boonies4u	maybe I should set up a dead man's switch	[03:18]
boonies4u	incase I disappear, certain people are informed	[03:18]
noagendamarket	bitcoin is justa tool you can use :P	[03:18]
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boonies4u	tool is a bad word	[03:19]
boonies4u	medium of exchange is better	[03:19]
noagendamarket	sure	[03:19]
noagendamarket	there should be more bitcoin-otc and less mt gox :P	[03:20]
boonies4u	oh yes definitely	[03:20]
PeanutPower	how about "virtual game currency"	[03:20]
boonies4u	PeanutPower: we need more games that use it ingame	[03:20]
boonies4u	I think one or two does	[03:20]
RogueAI	I dislike agreeing with Atlas but I'm just going to ignore that foundation	[03:20]
PeanutPower	i'm working on that :P from an LTC perspective :)	[03:20]
RogueAI	it would be nice if the devs were more interested in faster confirmations from the core network	[03:21]
boonies4u	RogueAI: Atlas is the reason why my post counts go up by 50 in 4 hours	[03:21]
RogueAI	rather than wanting bitcoin banks to form	[03:21]
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PeanutPower	i like the 2.5 min confirmation time with litecoin	[03:21]
boonies4u	i like litecoin, because it's still around	[03:21]
boonies4u	:P	[03:21]
noagendamarket	yeah i like litecoin	[03:22]
PeanutPower	less politics in litecoin too :) mostly devs right	[03:22]
noagendamarket	and Matonis doesnt use it lol	[03:22]
boonies4u	PeanutPower: I'm getting viewers of http://www.imthorrbo.com to mine litecoins	[03:23]
boonies4u	so I can use them to buy ads for thorrbo	[03:23]
drekk	how can something like btc/ltc be "not political"? even the statement "p2p over centralisation" is a political one	[03:23]
noagendamarket	if they shut down bitcoin we just start a new blockchain LOL	[03:23]
boonies4u	drekk: bitcoin is political... but saying it is political is suicide	[03:23]
noagendamarket	the genie is out of the bottle	[03:23]
drekk	boonies4u, i dont get that :P	[03:23]
boonies4u	drekk: saying that you are user of bitcoin, and that bitcoin robs the state and the bankers of the power over money... in an non-anonymous setting	[03:24]
boonies4u	is basically confessing to being a terrorist	[03:24]
noagendamarket	I dont want anyone getting a drone strike because Matonis writes an article about bitcoin	[03:24]
boonies4u	^	[03:24]
PeanutPower	boonies4u: cool i'm working on a few experimental things over at ltcgaming.tk	[03:25]
boonies4u	then again, they probably would miss the target anyways	[03:25]
noagendamarket	its far from subtle	[03:25]
PeanutPower	nothing playable yet though, just working on transaction processing, chat infrastructure stuff first	[03:25]
noagendamarket	I prefer the :art of war" method lol	[03:25]
drekk	i guess you guys live on a higher paranoia level than i do :P	[03:25]
noagendamarket	haha	[03:25]
noagendamarket	look arou7nd you :P	[03:26]
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noagendamarket	I stay away from the city now because they are now setting up "weapon free zones" and can struip search you in public basically	[03:26]
boonies4u	where?	[03:27]
noagendamarket	Melbourne	[03:27]
boonies4u	oh	[03:27]
boonies4u	you should just surround the city with people with guns	[03:27]
boonies4u	lol	[03:27]
noagendamarket	They recently went to the train station with cardboard "checkpoints" and searched people	[03:28]
drekk	wtf	[03:28]
boonies4u	creepy	[03:28]
noagendamarket	I took video of it lol	[03:28]
noagendamarket	pretty fucked up	[03:28]
RogueAI	it's darkly hilarious that they are searching random people because if they specifically targeted suspected gang/mob members they would be actually putting themselves at risk to serve the community	[03:29]
RogueAI	and of course the criminals would sue them using their ill gotten gains	[03:29]
drekk	glad i'm in germany. a) we crash the few drones we have on own grounds - b) anti-terror harrasment is way more subtle - c) we keep buying foreign economies and therefore are doing ok, i guess	[03:30]
noagendamarket	aat occupy melbourne they rode horses into people.	[03:30]
RogueAI	Germany is a bit werid	[03:30]
RogueAI	weird	[03:30]
drekk	hows that?	[03:31]
noagendamarket	now no one is allowed tpo protest here basuically	[03:31]
RogueAI	balk at appearing too strong armed, a lot of the time but then they beat up protestors over a rail station	[03:31]
boonies4u	all I know about germany is what I read from #agora	[03:31]
RogueAI	over trees and a rail station location	[03:31]
RogueAI	nearly blinded a guy	[03:31]
RogueAI	but most of the time the authorities are pretty focused on appearing reasonable	[03:32]
noagendamarket	I got pushed into the road by a cop and charged with jaywalking lol	[03:32]
RogueAI	Well, Australia is pretty close to America in personality imo	[03:32]
RogueAI	at least euro descent americans	[03:32]
drekk	RogueAI, true. police measurements during demonstrations have become pretty strong (but better documentated by smartphones as well)	[03:32]
noagendamarket	we are a lot worse in some ways	[03:32]
drekk	also, the senior protestor from Stuttgart was blinded	[03:32]
noagendamarket	we have no bill of rights	[03:32]
drekk	*lost one eye	[03:33]
noagendamarket	they can abduct you off the street and question you for days and youre not allowed to tell anyone	[03:33]
RogueAI	I think it comes from both Australia and America being where the "less fit" of British society emigrated	[03:33]
RogueAI	US has National Security Letters for that	[03:33]
RogueAI	Can't talk about being told not to talk about what we did to you	[03:33]
RogueAI	drekk, oh man he really did lose an eye	[03:34]
RogueAI	wtf	[03:34]
RogueAI	they couldn't just spend the money to save some trees?	[03:34]
RogueAI	have to beat the crap out of their own citizens?	[03:34]
noagendamarket	we have the crime commission here :)	[03:34]
RogueAI	Germany should take a queue from the US	[03:35]
RogueAI	pretend to be negotiating then bulldoze it at night on a weekday	[03:35]
noagendamarket	Australians dont have any human rights written into the constitution	[03:35]
noagendamarket	not that it makes any difference	[03:35]
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RogueAI	well, noagendamarket, it's much more about how the judges and courts behave then having written rights	[03:36]
RogueAI	trust me, having them written down does no good if the justice system is messed up	[03:36]
noagendamarket	yep.	[03:36]
RogueAI	how did that jaywalking ticket turn out?	[03:37]
RogueAI	did the court see it for being BS?	[03:37]
noagendamarket	if the cops beat people up on the streets people usually cheer them on here	[03:38]
noagendamarket	no0 one will step in to stop them	[03:38]
RogueAI	:(	[03:38]
boonies4u	i've never seen police brutality	[03:38]
boonies4u	only done it	[03:38]
boonies4u	jk	[03:38]
drekk	RogueAI, 2:03 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWicN1QLQCg	[03:38]
noagendamarket	I refusing to pay :P	[03:39]
RogueAI	well you've one upped most US states in that regard	[03:39]
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noagendamarket	because fuck them	[03:39]
rg	oh i see	[03:39]
rg	rg's not funny unless hes on his knees scooping up your kids puke	[03:39]
noagendamarket	jails here are like holiday camps lol	[03:39]
RogueAI	I'd have a camera rolling 24/7 in town, if I was you	[03:39]
rg	EU jails have cable	[03:39]
noagendamarket	I do	[03:39]
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noagendamarket	the cops broke it though	[03:40]
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boonies4u	now that I moved down to central florida, maybe I'll see interesting stuff	[03:41]
noagendamarket	best bet is to stay away from the city where its a lot worse	[03:41]
boonies4u	other than a crane walking through the ditch on the ide of the road	[03:41]
RogueAI	have it stream to a secure storage	[03:41]
noagendamarket	the cops here are fucked still	[03:41]
noagendamarket	one stopped my car and threw my keys into the bushes on the side of the road lol	[03:42]
noagendamarket	cos i wouldnt wind my window down fully	[03:43]
boonies4u	haha	[03:43]
noagendamarket	I had to stop delivering pizzas cos they targeted me :P	[03:44]
boonies4u	you gotta slow down	[03:44]
boonies4u	silly	[03:44]
noagendamarket	haha	[03:44]
noagendamarket	I showed them...now Im fit from walking everywhere lol	[03:45]
boonies4u	XD	[03:45]
noagendamarket	while they eat donuts and cant get their fat asses out of the station	[03:45]
noagendamarket	I getting fit for the zombie apocalypse	[03:45]
boonies4u	why not just fly to madagascar?	[03:46]
noagendamarket	lol	[03:46]
boonies4u	they only have one port, and they shut it down as soon as someone sneezes	[03:47]
noagendamarket	youre not allowed to leave the country without permission silly :P	[03:47]
boonies4u	just sneak out, then ask for asylum	[03:47]
boonies4u	cause of the zombies	[03:47]
noagendamarket	haha	[03:48]
drekk	i actually used to like german cops. esp. for stuff like this: 2:18 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmn0OzQHDo4	[03:48]
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noagendamarket	not bad	[03:52]
noagendamarket	its different when the police are corporatised and not actually employed by the government.	[03:52]
noagendamarket	they are slowly replacing the cops with "public service officers"	[03:53]
drekk	yea thats reeaaaly creepy	[03:53]
drekk	like they've already done with the military and corporations like blackwater	[03:54]
noagendamarket	exACTLY	[03:54]
copumpkin	you mean academi	[03:54]
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drekk	of course. :D	[03:55]
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drekk	good (=scary) read: "blackwater" by jeremy scahill	[03:55]
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noagendamarket	they sent 3500 uS tropps here recently	[03:56]
noagendamarket	*troops	[03:56]
drekk	where are you?	[03:56]
noagendamarket	Australia	[03:56]
drekk	ok	[03:56]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: that's just us swinging our bid stick around	[03:56]
boonies4u	big*	[03:56]
drekk	"do another 'crocodile dundee'or else...'	[03:57]
noagendamarket	The last prime minister was getting too close to china so they brought in the economic hitmen and "replaced" him	[03:57]
drekk	nice	[03:57]
noagendamarket	witha woman LOL	[03:57]
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asa1024	she is a babe!	[03:58]
noagendamarket	she is a minority government and has never actually been voted in by the majority	[03:58]
drekk	so at least she's clever. :P	[03:59]
noagendamarket	shes a corrupt ex lawyer lol	[03:59]
drekk	need some brains to be successful with that ;)	[03:59]
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noagendamarket	98% of politicians here are lawyers and doctoras	[04:00]
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noagendamarket	*doctors	[04:00]
drekk	same here. replace doctors with economists and... strange... people	[04:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11180 @ 0.00035988 = 4.0235 BTC [-]	[04:01]
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noagendamarket	economists are just businessmen that never operated a business lol	[04:01]
noagendamarket	its like saying restaurant critics are chefs	[04:01]
noagendamarket	I wonder how long it would take Paul krugman to run a business into the ground :D	[04:02]
drekk	or dank bank	[04:03]
noagendamarket	"We didnt have any customers so now is obviously a good time to increase production"	[04:03]
noagendamarket	lol	[04:03]
noagendamarket	or...g;bse ?	[04:04]
noagendamarket	bahaha	[04:04]
noagendamarket	The economy has dug itself into a hole so now is a good time to produce more shovels	[04:05]
drekk	:D	[04:05]
noagendamarket	Its job creation :D	[04:06]
boonies4u	you gotta out dig everyone else	[04:06]
noagendamarket	lol	[04:06]
boonies4u	that way it collapses on them, not you	[04:06]
noagendamarket	sounds like the mining sector :P	[04:06]
*	drekk needs sleep. 3:07am here.	[04:07]
drekk	good night and spread the FUD!	[04:07]
boonies4u	night	[04:07]
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boonies4u	noagendamarket: I don't calculate resell value into mining equipment	[04:08]
boonies4u	it's far to delusional	[04:08]
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noagendamarket	at least with gpu you can game with them	[04:10]
boonies4u	not for long lol	[04:11]
noagendamarket	if youre buying them just to mine youre doing it wrong :D	[04:11]
boonies4u	lol	[04:11]
boonies4u	it's a little late for buying them to mine	[04:11]
noagendamarket	yep	[04:11]
noagendamarket	It saddens me that the only thing left on glbse is mining :(	[04:12]
noagendamarket	because wtf	[04:12]
boonies4u	checks glbse	[04:12]
noagendamarket	hahah	[04:12]
boonies4u	where's the mining?	[04:12]
boonies4u	well there's obsi	[04:13]
noagendamarket	eww	[04:13]
boonies4u	there's some other ponzi's	[04:13]
boonies4u	some lower interest ponzi's	[04:13]
noagendamarket	theres mining ponzis too lol	[04:13]
boonies4u	and there's gsdpt	[04:13]
boonies4u	pick your poison	[04:14]
noagendamarket	I was gonna list an alpaca :P	[04:14]
dub	LOTTOMINING LOL	[04:14]
boonies4u	alpaca's don't have enough etOH	[04:14]
noagendamarket	bahaha	[04:14]
noagendamarket	alpacas multiply by themselves unlike mining rigs lol	[04:15]
boonies4u	eventually we will be able to print mining rigs	[04:15]
noagendamarket	cant leave a mining rig in a room and come back later and there is 5 more of them lol	[04:15]
boonies4u	yet	[04:16]
noagendamarket	I suppose	[04:16]
noagendamarket	they cant print electronics yet	[04:16]
boonies4u	we should mine in space	[04:16]
noagendamarket	expensive :D	[04:17]
boonies4u	cooling is free, power is free	[04:17]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: not as expensive to launch a rocket to get people to repair it	[04:17]
noagendamarket	just costs you 20 million to get there lol	[04:17]
noagendamarket	we need a spcae elevator	[04:17]
noagendamarket	*space	[04:18]
boonies4u	nah, we need space colonies	[04:18]
noagendamarket	we probably already do :P	[04:18]
boonies4u	nah	[04:18]
boonies4u	too much rads	[04:18]
noagendamarket	nasa is developing warp drives	[04:19]
boonies4u	what?	[04:19]
noagendamarket	its true :P	[04:19]
boonies4u	how does that work?	[04:19]
noagendamarket	http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/visit-to-klingon-empire-could-happen-maybe/story-fn5fsgyc-1226478131345	[04:20]
noagendamarket	lol	[04:20]
asa1024	a warp drive for a car!	[04:20]
boonies4u	i like the eve online explanation	[04:20]
boonies4u	in eve lore, you make a depleted vacuum around your ship	[04:21]
boonies4u	which makes light go faster in it	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	mk who hilited me ?	[04:21]
boonies4u	which lets your ship go faster	[04:21]
noagendamarket	yes something like that	[04:21]
smickles	ok, i'm back from lunch	[04:22]
smickles	what'd i miss	[04:22]
noagendamarket	theres a looph9ole in physics that allows it	[04:22]
smickles	a 7.5 hour lunch is not a bad lunch at all	[04:23]
smickles	i feel like a king	[04:23]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: usually a loophole in physics means	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	lol. how many bjs in the 7.5 hours ?	[04:23]
noagendamarket	did you book it to your company expense account lol	[04:23]
Azelphur	o.O I just noticed GLBSE is down, I feel I have missed the news	[04:23]
boonies4u	it's not an actual exploitable loophole	[04:23]
boonies4u	Azelphur: XD	[04:23]
smickles	i'm inclined to respect my wife's wishes and not talk about the number or quality of bjs i receive at lunch	[04:24]
noagendamarket	GLBSE got swallowed by a space time paradox	[04:24]
boonies4u	smickles: tell me though	[04:24]
smickles	noagendamarket: haven't yet formed to company, it'll come within the week tho	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur lol you missed all the drama	[04:24]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: now I'm sad :(	[04:24]
noagendamarket	it must be your anniversary or birthday if your wife is ggiving bj's lol	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	noagendamarket maybe it's her aniversary, and she's taking them	[04:25]
Azelphur	drama is fun xD	[04:25]
smickles	Azelphur: dude, last i know, glbse went down, news to come sat/sun, can't be good	[04:25]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: i thought he was talking about bj's he receives from coworkers at lunch	[04:25]
Azelphur	indeed o/	[04:25]
boonies4u	not from her	[04:25]
noagendamarket	aah	[04:25]
noagendamarket	he must be hiring secretaries lol	[04:25]
Azelphur	I wonder if it's the SEC	[04:25]
noagendamarket	Azelphur : I doubt it	[04:26]
asa1024	sec giving blow jobs to smickles?	[04:26]
smickles	you think the sec wouldn't put up an sec webpage on glbse?	[04:26]
noagendamarket	the SEC is too busy lookig at porn	[04:26]
Azelphur	smickles: shrug	[04:26]
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noagendamarket	in that case they would be more interested in mpoe lol	[04:27]
smickles	asa1024: i'd prefer to have as little interaction with the sec as possible, bjs included	[04:27]
noagendamarket	it contains all of their favourite things :P	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	smickles i hear they're great @ anal action	[04:27]
Azelphur	I am having so much bad luck with investments now lol	[04:27]
smickles	Azelphur: an initial investor to SS should still have made 70%ish profit	[04:28]
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smickles	even if glbse shuts down (assuming we can identify shareholders	[04:28]
Azelphur	smickles: true, if GLBSE ever comes up to get that money out, haha	[04:28]
noagendamarket	lol	[04:28]
Azelphur	knowing my luck ;)	[04:28]
smickles	Azelphur: SÂcm only has about a few hundred satoshi in glbse	[04:28]
smickles	dividend payment leftovers	[04:28]
noagendamarket	glbse may come back but dont know how longer it will last	[04:29]
Azelphur	yea, but you still need shareholder data xD	[04:29]
noagendamarket	at least not in its current form	[04:29]
dub	SEC dont call it a bj	[04:29]
dub	its a cockmeat sandwich	[04:29]
smickles	ya know, upon consideration, i'd be afraid the SEC bj representitive would be a succubus	[04:29]
boonies4u	bankers are men	[04:30]
noagendamarket	the only difference between btcjam and glbse is that glbse calls itself a stock exchange	[04:30]
boonies4u	so it'd be an incubus	[04:30]
smickles	btcjam?	[04:30]
boonies4u	smickles: open lending market	[04:30]
noagendamarket	p2p lending	[04:30]
smickles	;;google btcjam	[04:30]
gribble	(BTCJAM) 100 BTC Loan Request: ; Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending - BTCJAM: ; Rules for borrowers - BTCJAM:	[04:30]
boonies4u	hey	[04:30]
boonies4u	that's me	[04:30]
boonies4u	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113582.0%3E	[04:30]
noagendamarket	they even have mining ops lol	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	the only difference between btcjam and glbse is that glbse calls itself a stock exchange << lol srsly.	[04:31]
boonies4u	well if anyone wants to loan me some coins https://btcjam.com/listings/38	[04:32]
boonies4u	btcjam also doesn't have an 8 btc listing cost	[04:32]
boonies4u	just 1% on close	[04:32]
noagendamarket	yep	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	what's the most anyone ever closed ?	[04:33]
boonies4u	let me see	[04:33]
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noagendamarket	I dont know the operator so use at your own risk lol	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcZ9UwF-kv8	[04:34]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: yeah, well, if the operator bounces, people are going to have a hard time proving that they loaned me coins	[04:34]
boonies4u	win win situation for me	[04:34]
noagendamarket	probably still need some kind of financial license to do that shit	[04:34]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: they are registered nationally	[04:34]
noagendamarket	boonies4u lol	[04:34]
noagendamarket	where ?	[04:35]
boonies4u	brazil	[04:35]
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noagendamarket	dunno the laws in brazil :)	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	are tghese the guys who got a letter from the brazil sec to get lost and they put a post on their blog up going "o, but we beg to differ" ?	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	or was that some exchange thing	[04:36]
noagendamarket	are they bitches of the sec lol	[04:36]
noagendamarket	that was bitcoinrain guy	[04:36]
boonies4u	google translate can't seem to work on the government listing site	[04:36]
boonies4u	i'm having trouble navigating	[04:37]
noagendamarket	they arent allowed to run an investment in brazilian but the brazil sec doesnt care if they do it in english lol	[04:37]
boonies4u	that true?	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	you mean portuguese ?	[04:38]
noagendamarket	yes	[04:38]
boonies4u	and he does	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	nice policy.	[04:38]
boonies4u	it means you won't scam as many citizens	[04:38]
noagendamarket	yep	[04:38]
noagendamarket	you can scam foreigners tho	[04:38]
boonies4u	totally	[04:38]
noagendamarket	scamming is the national sport of bitcoin	[04:39]
asa1024	no shit	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115441.msg1245504#msg1245504 i like capitalist people like kakobrekla :D	[04:39]
smickles	;;bc,24hprc	[04:40]
gribble	12.86	[04:40]
smickles	what a xenophobic asshole https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115441.msg1245528#msg1245528	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	for some reason the girl seems to be a magnet of these	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	that bitcoin.me fellow was going on about the same stuff	[04:42]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: I think I found it http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/pessoajuridica/cnpj/cnpjreva/cnpjreva_solicitacao.asp	[04:42]
boonies4u	google translate of corporate name : Cosmic Egg DATA PROCESSING SERVICES LTD - ME	[04:43]
*	smickles totally read that as http://www.reciter.franzia.gov	[04:44]
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boonies4u	CODE AND DESCRIPTION OF MAIN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY 63.11-9-00 - Data processing, service providers and application hosting services on the Internet CODE DESCRIPTION OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITIES AND SECONDARY Unknown	[04:44]
BTC-Mining	"Maybe not, but I wouldn't give ~400 dollars for nothing to someone who cannot pay 10 dollars for a domain; so hosts it on a subdomain of a site which hosts child prn anyway."	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	i think azenda means firm	[04:44]
BTC-Mining	But that's false... there is a mpex domain...	[04:44]
BTC-Mining	You just redirect it =/	[04:44]
boonies4u	they don't handle fiat	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining false or true shouldn;'t be allowed to get in the way of a good opinion	[04:44]
BTC-Mining	Why not put the whole MPEx directly on said domain?	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	and there's also mpex.biz and mpoe.org and what the fuck else	[04:45]
boonies4u	(btcjam that is)	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining why would i ?	[04:45]
BTC-Mining	Because being a separate thing than your blog or porn reposityr, it should be on it's own domain?	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	right. because some shady bs new site is very trustworthy	[04:46]
smickles	BTC-Mining: well, not all of us are ciuciu	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	a domain that's been on the net for >5 years and dominates google is a problem	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	if i used the backwards logic of the forum idiots i'd be doing glbse. luckily i am not.	[04:46]
BTC-Mining	That's like asking why google didn't redirect youtube on the google.com domain when they acquired it.	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	and i do mean luckily.	[04:46]
smickles	why would porn lower trust?	[04:46]
BTC-Mining	People like to have one domain/business venture.	[04:46]
BTC-Mining	Not all mixed on the same domain.	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining if i aquired youtube it would be on google.com/youtube	[04:47]
noagendamarket	Geta domain and a css designer for one :P	[04:47]
smickles	porn is just about the most profitable internet business when done correctly	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	much like translate is translate.google.com	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	not translate.com	[04:47]
BTC-Mining	Yeah but translate is a google tool, not really a full fledged venture	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	smickles that was years ago i think.	[04:47]
noagendamarket	and a new PR account :P	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining according to whom or what standard set ?	[04:47]
BTC-Mining	Also, as long as it has your gpg seal on it, any domain is trustworthy	[04:47]
smickles	mircea_popescu: I have heard that the high dollar cam sites are still doing well	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining i must shamedly confess i haven't been using gpg for all that long.	[04:48]
boonies4u	mircea_popescu: if you owned pornhub.com and bought out nickelodeon, would it be pornhub.com/nickelodeon	[04:48]
boonies4u	?	[04:48]
asa1024	bwhahaha	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha boonies4u	[04:48]
smickles	boonies4u with the edge cases :D	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	MAYBE in that case i'd keep them separate.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	but i must give it to you :D	[04:49]
noagendamarket	WTF did Nefario allow a lotto "companY' to list on glbse ?	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	noagendamarket you tell me.	[04:49]
BTC-Mining	Well Youtube is a business which bring money. Translate doesn't display any add or do anything other than translate.	[04:49]
asa1024	lotto ipo that kills me	[04:49]
boonies4u	noagendamarket: well, he does have a black market section now	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining mpex doesn't display any ads either.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	nor does it do anything other than trade.	[04:49]
BTC-Mining	Basically, if it's a tool like Google Mail, Google Translate, Google Maps or anything google, it's on google.com or a subdomain.	[04:49]
BTC-Mining	If it's another name like Youtube or Blogger, it's on a different domain.	[04:50]
boonies4u	mircea_popescu: you should put ads on mpex, promoting your porn laden yotsuba clone	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining just pointing out that this fetish with new domains is bullshit.	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	as reprentance said, too many people think that busienss = domain + css.	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	this is false.	[04:50]
smickles	there's a youtube clone?	[04:50]
boonies4u	smickles: YOTSUBA clone	[04:50]
noagendamarket	Youre not allowed to buy lotto tickest and onsell them	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	that i'm putting a little stress on this point is a boon i am granting to the conglomerated idiots around btc, on my dimee	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	i hope that's pretty clear now.	[04:50]
BTC-Mining	The first are complements to google search, the others are completly separate.	[04:50]
boonies4u	smickles: google yotsuba b	[04:50]
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BTC-Mining	That it be false or not, you got to please the consumer, not yourself.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining finance is not a consumer business	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	again, this is not tv. headcount doesn't count.	[04:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8300 @ 0.00039784 = 3.3021 BTC [-]	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	people need to stop out of this facebook paradigm.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	facebook failed.	[04:51]
noagendamarket	As long as there is adequate brokers it doesnt matter	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	just as mypsace failed before it.	[04:52]
boonies4u	facebook failed?	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[04:52]
noagendamarket	The pink sheets market isnt consumer facing either	[04:52]
boonies4u	how so?	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	boonies4u what's the share price / ipo share price ?	[04:52]
boonies4u	mircea_popescu: facebook as an ipo might have failed	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	no.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	the business model failed.	[04:52]
Diablo-D3	er	[04:53]
noagendamarket	facebook itself hasnt failed	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	watch it be spun off for 10% of cost like myspace was, 5 years ago.	[04:53]
Diablo-D3	facebook as an IPO DID fail	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	yes, it has. you jusrt don't see it yet.	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	but fb is dead, as a business.	[04:53]
Diablo-D3	fb has no business model	[04:53]
boonies4u	mircea_popescu: I never seen it as a business	[04:53]
Diablo-D3	you cant even say its failed as a business	[04:53]
Diablo-D3	its _not_ a business	[04:53]
Diablo-D3	its a scam	[04:53]
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noagendamarket	its a honeypot :P	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	i guess i'll let mr 9/11 take over from here.	[04:53]
Diablo-D3	they're trying to float a business model of selling users for their information to third parties, but its too little too late	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 nobody gives a shiot about "user's information"	[04:54]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: some companies do	[04:54]
dub	Diablo-D3: ever heard of GOOG?	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	who cares ? people are so self obsessed they really thing someone would pay $$$ to know what they think of a cat picture ?	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	gtfo.	[04:54]
Diablo-D3	dub: google has done this since day one	[04:54]
noagendamarket	lol	[04:54]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: no, its usually just brand research	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	nobody cares. really. you'd have to pay companies to care about what "the userbase" does.	[04:54]
Diablo-D3	like, if I say pepsi sucks, pepsi mightw ant to know why	[04:54]
dub	I love when people mistake my trolling for financial advice	[04:55]
noagendamarket	they pay $$ to know what cat food you buy :P	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 it couldn't care less.	[04:55]
Diablo-D3	problem is, facebook doesnt HAVE the why	[04:55]
Diablo-D3	facebook isnt a blog	[04:55]
boonies4u	mircea_popescu: nobody cares what you think about facebook	[04:55]
boonies4u	let it go	[04:55]
Diablo-D3	infact, Im not sure what facebook is	[04:55]
Diablo-D3	you cant connect with friends over it, you cant tell the world what you think of it	[04:55]
noagendamarket	facebook IPO failed because of goldman sachs :P	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	boonies4u i wasn't even talking about facebook ?!	[04:55]
Diablo-D3	er, over it	[04:55]
smickles	can we leave facebook off this chan?	[04:55]
boonies4u	mircea_popescu: wait, what?	[04:56]
dub	LEAVE FACEBOOK ALONE	[04:56]
boonies4u	^	[04:56]
Diablo-D3	smickles: why? its a perfect example of how you can sell hype to idiot investors	[04:56]
Azelphur	oO cool I just got an email from BFL	[04:56]
*	mircea_popescu is sorry he brought it up.	[04:56]
Azelphur	+50% increase in performance	[04:56]
Azelphur	the SC Singles are 60GH/sec now	[04:56]
noagendamarket	facebook should make its own stock exchange and list on itself lol	[04:56]
Diablo-D3	Azelphur: yeah, and matching nearly identical numbers to everyone else	[04:56]
Diablo-D3	what a scam	[04:56]
boonies4u	Azelphur: /want	[04:56]
dub	so did I, they are shipping my asics in teh first 3rd	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha Azelphur is getting into last week!	[04:56]
Azelphur	Diablo-D3: xD	[04:56]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: let me fetch a link	[04:56]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: :(	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	welcome to the future man!	[04:56]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: BUT I ONLY GOT THE EMAIL TWO MINUTES AGO	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	it's the 4th here!	[04:57]
Azelphur	NO.	[04:57]
dub	I got two emails	[04:57]
*	smickles is now known as facebook	[04:57]
Azelphur	xD	[04:57]
*	mircea_popescu kicks smickles (don't be known as facebook)	[04:57]
noagendamarket	Facebook = DMC	[04:57]
Azelphur	that cheers me up anyway as I have 3 singles on preorder	[04:57]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114363.msg1233997	[04:57]
Diablo-D3	noagendamarket: troll much	[04:57]
*	facebook is now known as smickles	[04:57]
noagendamarket	:P	[04:57]
dub	you know	[04:57]
dub	assbot should really be called assbook	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	dmc is better than facebook. dmc lost investors like 10k usd off ipo prices ?	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	facebook more like 30mn	[04:58]
dub	kakobrekla: make it so	[04:58]
Diablo-D3	boonies4u: basic and reclaimer will be 4-5 watts/gh	[04:58]
Diablo-D3	so will avalon	[04:58]
Diablo-D3	if bfl claims anything other than that, they're lying	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	everyone is claiming the same now, so the battle of wits is on	[04:58]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: no	[04:58]
copumpkin	WHAT HAPPEN: http://snapplr.com/pddg	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	who will claim 2watt/gh ?	[04:58]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: they're not using the same asic tech I believe	[04:59]
Diablo-D3	bfl isnt using ANY asic tech	[04:59]
Diablo-D3	it doesnt exist	[04:59]
dub	copumpkin: s/T//	[04:59]
copumpkin	?	[04:59]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: then it doesn't matter what they claim, your point is moot	[04:59]
Diablo-D3	I have no reason to believe bfl is legit	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin is that doctored ?	[04:59]
Diablo-D3	they have failed to answer vital questions	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	i see it ~40	[04:59]
noagendamarket	BFL spent all your money on hookers and blow	[04:59]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: you sound mad	[04:59]
dub	copumpkin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D421N6xlisg	[04:59]
Diablo-D3	they have refused to treat their investors AS investors, and keep claiming they're preorder customers	[04:59]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: nope, you might be looking at one of their indices, not the company itself	[04:59]
dub	actually, that could be usagi	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	o o	[05:00]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: they are preorder customers	[05:00]
smickles	copumpkin: did someone nuke china or something?	[05:00]
Diablo-D3	nope, investors.	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	ya wow 27.2	[05:00]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: who are investors?	[05:00]
copumpkin	nah	[05:00]
Diablo-D3	you're a preorder customer if the product actually exists	[05:00]
copumpkin	but vanguard dropped them as the benchmark for their funds	[05:00]
copumpkin	and the thing tanked 25%	[05:00]
copumpkin	I felt bad for them	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	dude is there anyone you don't feel bad ?	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	cobuddhakin	[05:01]
copumpkin	dub: aha :) I was referring to zero wing	[05:01]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: the product was already designed IIRC befoe they were put out for preorder	[05:01]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: lol	[05:01]
copumpkin	I like feeling bad	[05:01]
Diablo-D3	boonies4u: nope	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	such a brit.	[05:01]
Diablo-D3	boonies4u: it wasnt even taped out	[05:01]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: source?	[05:01]
Diablo-D3	source? common sense.	[05:01]
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boonies4u	Diablo-D3: i'm sorry,I don't take that here	[05:01]
Diablo-D3	BFL has refused to answer any questions to hide this fact	[05:01]
Diablo-D3	boonies4u: I could care less what you think	[05:01]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: have you submitted it in writing?	[05:01]
smickles	common sense is usually incorrect	[05:02]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: quite.	[05:02]
Diablo-D3	I know how chip manufacturing works, BFL has refused to answer even basic questions about their operation	[05:02]
Diablo-D3	there is no reason to think the chips exist	[05:02]
Diablo-D3	period	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 just cause they won't answer q's ?	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't answer q's in their position.	[05:02]
*	smickles envisions copumpkin as http://theoatmeal.com/pl/minor_differences4/accents	[05:02]
smickles	and myself as tits	[05:03]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: then it doesn't matter how they treat the people they're scamming	[05:03]
copumpkin	I'm actually english	[05:03]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: they'd have to answer to investors and they refuse to	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	why would they have to ?	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	and iirc they're not listed anywhere, what investod	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	rs*	[05:03]
Diablo-D3	the people they keep trying to claim are preorder customers arent	[05:03]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: first, you accuse them for lying that they have less power consumption than everyone else, then you say they're lying for not having chips at all	[05:03]
copumpkin	smickles: and I am quite cross at the recent developments with glbse	[05:03]
Diablo-D3	they're investors	[05:03]
smickles	copumpkin: in the whitest kids youknow racewar skit, english is 'merican	[05:04]
Diablo-D3	boonies4u: theres no way thats happening unless they're on 45nm	[05:04]
Diablo-D3	and they're not on 45nm	[05:04]
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*	smickles thinks (or was it itialian)	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	prolly was ritalianian	[05:04]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: so are they scammers because there's no chips? or are they scammers because there are no 45nm chips?	[05:04]
Diablo-D3	now, it could be a sasic 45nm, but then you're basic to having a shit inefficient design not much better than a 45nm fpga	[05:04]
boonies4u	make up your fucking mind	[05:04]
Diablo-D3	boonies4u: they're scammers because their chips cant exist.	[05:04]
Diablo-D3	the little information they did release only highlights how much of a scam it is	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	honestly i find the entire asic thing dubious. not just bfls', across the board.	[05:05]
copumpkin	:O	[05:05]
boonies4u	mircea_popescu: dedicated mining hardware is inevitable	[05:05]
smickles	!ticker asicmining	[05:05]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: it'd be funny if it was a circle of lies of everyone one-upping the others' lies	[05:05]
assbot	Invalid ticker.	[05:05]
copumpkin	and nobody has a clue how it works	[05:05]
smickles	figures	[05:05]
Diablo-D3	boonies4u: usually if someone claims to have defeated the laws of physics, its a scam	[05:05]
copumpkin	dub: you were the one mocking nefario for needing 400 quid, right?	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin it's what i suspekt.	[05:06]
boonies4u	Diablo-D3: usually	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	boonies4u inevitable, yes. 2012, no.	[05:06]
smickles	oh lol	[05:06]
dub	copumpkin: correct	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	the people claiming them cavalierly have neither the expertise nor the capital to bring them.	[05:06]
smickles	glbse shut down b/c nef didn't pay the hosting bill b/c noone lent him the money	[05:06]
safra	scottjp sgnb sgornick singular- smickles Smoovious SomeoneWeird sulphair SuprTiggr	[05:06]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: basically yes	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	smickles noway ?	[05:06]
noagendamarket	lol	[05:06]
Diablo-D3	friedcat did it by cheating	[05:06]
boonies4u	smickles: he probably didn't try hard enough	[05:06]
smickles	;)	[05:06]
Diablo-D3	so hes probably the only legitimate one	[05:06]
smickles	although it was timed consistant with the nature of name server switching	[05:07]
Diablo-D3	130nm 200mm wafers at SMIC using SMIC's IP core library to spam a predesigned sha256 core	[05:07]
Diablo-D3	quick and ugly	[05:07]
dub	copumpkin: I haven't been paying attention, was there a punchline?	[05:08]
noagendamarket	smickles may not be too far from the truth	[05:08]
copumpkin	dub: oh, it'd be funny if he shut down glbse cause he was out of money :P	[05:08]
copumpkin	that was it	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	doesn't he have goat's dough tho ?	[05:08]
smickles	MY PENIS IS BIGGER THAN AN AIRCRAFT CARRIER MOTHERFUCKAAAAAS	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	or was that what the drama there was all about	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	lol smickles is drunk.	[05:08]
smickles	glbse is offline, what else is there. I'm not taking usagi's route	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	lol what's that ?	[05:09]
noagendamarket	whats usagi done now ?	[05:10]
smickles	worst case senario, (oh usagi didn't kill himself yet?) I go to jail for lame ass securities fraud.	[05:10]
noagendamarket	no	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	smickles dude gtfo already.	[05:10]
copumpkin	brb, in urgent need of olives	[05:11]
smickles	ah, ok. But srsly about usagi, is anyone able to check on him? he was spouting off all depressed earlier	[05:11]
asa1024	I tried	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	securities fraud my ass	[05:11]
copumpkin	smickles: I hope he's okay	[05:11]
copumpkin	sounded a little extreme	[05:11]
asa1024	they msgd me back saying they were done puking	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	actually im agreeing with copumpkin for once. poor dood.	[05:11]
smickles	mircea_popescu: yeah, b/c of the way the regs are in 'merica	[05:11]
asa1024	then I said well there is always dry heaving	[05:11]
asa1024	no response after that	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	smickles want me to bet you 1:1 that you're not going to no jale ?	[05:12]
dub	as if usagi even exists	[05:12]
smickles	I didn't file regulation D exemption for S2cm or MPOE.etf	[05:12]
dub	its someones troll account	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	oooouuuuuhhh	[05:12]
dub	probably MNW	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	what do you want smickles ? .1 btc ? 1 btc ? 10 ? 100 ?	[05:12]
copumpkin	usagi: come back, we all love you	[05:12]
noagendamarket	usagi =diablod3 lol	[05:12]
smickles	mircea_popescu: 1:1, naw, i don't give my self that good of odds going to jail	[05:12]
noagendamarket	smickles: pics or it didnt happen :P	[05:13]
smickles	I seriously don't expect to go to jail	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	lol what odds you give yourself ?	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	a ok.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	my easy money ideea ;/ look what they did to it@	[05:13]
noagendamarket	*hides in the ecuadorian embassy	[05:13]
smickles	but just in case i do. You all know this:	[05:13]
asa1024	just tell the SEC we all got carried away thats all	[05:13]
smickles	fuck 'merica	[05:13]
smickles	and that damn french statue	[05:13]
noagendamarket	agreed	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	you all should move somewhere nice	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	like iran.	[05:14]
noagendamarket	I like the beaches here	[05:14]
copumpkin	I hear it's beautiful there	[05:14]
noagendamarket	Ill move to new zealand they hate the US too lol	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin yeah, and loads of old stuff to check out	[05:14]
copumpkin	I love old stuff	[05:14]
smickles	and if i have to testify somewhere and the grand inquisitor askes me about that statement:	[05:14]
copumpkin	smickles: link to the apeshit vide	[05:15]
copumpkin	video	[05:15]
noagendamarket	The uS tried sending a nuclear warship to NZ they told them to gtfo	[05:15]
copumpkin	smickles: this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jOwvrRuUC4	[05:15]
smickles	I'd point out that I said that statement in preparation for just this situation	[05:15]
Diablo-D3	noagendamarket: thats redundant	[05:15]
Diablo-D3	just say warship	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	How am I supposed to do that? There's no f*****g volume, there's no buyer except at 0.000000001 BTC because of all the shit. Why somebody whould buy an asset when you have the choice between:	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	-A website that make instant decisions without any warning (delisting, closing, whatever)	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	-Another who ask 350$ for registration with more porn than assets on it.	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	y people do not understand the importance of paying me fees :(	[05:15]
copumpkin	smickles: make sure the SEC sees the whole thing, as it contains crucial evidence for the case	[05:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00036386 = 12.6259 BTC [+]	[05:16]
asa1024	lol	[05:16]
smickles	copumpkin: <3	[05:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.2221539 = 222.1539 BTC [+]	[05:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C110T] 700 @ 0.27527009 = 192.6891 BTC [+]	[05:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 700 @ 0.17827185 = 124.7903 BTC [+]	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	what a bizzare strat.	[05:18]
smickles	ya know, at least us humans genearlly eat shit in a figurative sense	[05:18]
smickles	Smoovious: didn't something like 500 btc just trade there?	[05:19]
smickles	ok, i am drunk, that question just derpped me	[05:20]
smickles	did you have the same suspision about glbse, icbit, or cbx?	[05:21]
dub	Smoovious is teh great conspiracy theorist	[05:21]
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smickles	why is that the case?	[05:21]
dub	and general whiteknighter for usagio	[05:21]
smickles	pfft?	[05:22]
dub	everything is a scam except usagio	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	this "if bitcoins are hoarded they're worthless" argument is utterly bs.	[05:22]
smickles	i may be drunk, but pfft isn't a good reason	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	things that people WANT have value.	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	they don't have to be traded to have value, they just need to be wanted.	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	actually, virgins are in most times and places more valuable than well used whores. i wonder why.	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 600 @ 0.00039781 = 0.2387 BTC [-]	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9800 @ 0.00039715 = 3.8921 BTC [-]	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7900 @ 0.0003839 = 3.0328 BTC [-]	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7500 @ 0.00035145 = 2.6359 BTC [-]	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1 @ 0.00018002 BTC [-]	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00018002 = 0.18 BTC [-]	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00018001 = 0.18 BTC [-]	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 199 @ 0.00018 = 0.0358 BTC [-]	[05:23]
smickles	wtf, giga went back up to .004ish?	[05:23]
smickles	er, add a 0 inthere	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	apparently were bids	[05:24]
smickles	it seems to me people argue both sides of an argument far too often	[05:25]
smickles	*far to often to be intentional	[05:25]
smickles	*intentionally doing so	[05:25]
smickles	*because this needed one more asterisk	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	the one thing i love about running mpex is how rarely i need to pay tx fees	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	sitting on coins rules.	[05:26]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: i bet I could run up your tx fees by like .0001 or so :P	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[05:27]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115507.msg1246125#msg1246125 wow check out this totally awesome idea	[05:31]
dub	is it hunting nefario down and cutting his tits off?	[05:31]
dub	or are we not quite there yet	[05:32]
boonies4u	depends when saturday is	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:33]
BTC-Mining	smickles, yes, sadly	[05:35]
boonies4u	i love it when people post ambiguous dates	[05:35]
boonies4u	so much fun	[05:35]
BTC-Mining	Almost on par even if it won't upgrade	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[05:40]
gribble	Best bid: 12.73, Best ask: 12.83, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 12.83, 24 hour volume: 40200, 24 hour low: 12.6, 24 hour high: 13.0899	[05:40]
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dub	Success and Enjoy!	[05:43]
dub	new forum sig	[05:43]
dub	>implying I have a forum acct	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	i must say, cryptostocks site is about 100 times better than glbse ever was	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	loads reasonably, etc.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	is the owner on irc even ?	[05:45]
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mircea_popescu	!ticker asicminer	[05:48]
assbot	Invalid ticker.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	ow	[05:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00036386 = 5.8218 BTC [+]	[05:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00339997 = 6.7999 BTC [-]	[05:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 8000 @ 0.00339998 = 27.1998 BTC [+]	[05:57]
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smickles	wowzer	[06:05]
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smickles	;;ident	[06:06]
gribble	You are not identified.	[06:06]
smickles	).(	[06:07]
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noagendamarket	eventually any bitcoin site offering securities will run into exactly the same issues glbse has	[06:14]
noagendamarket	best bet : get your local stock broker to accept btc lol	[06:15]
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dub	what issues?	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	noagendamarket wanna bet ?	[06:18]
dub	was there some more info?	[06:19]
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BTC-Mining	mircea_popescu, can you at least demand from your MPOE-PR to get her facts straight? Although she has many valid claims/points, she keeps attacking everything with misquotes/altered facts which are easy to point out. It's like a double edged sword.	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	specifically ?!	[06:21]
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BTC-Mining	Arf, okay, let me check her post history and find back a few.	[06:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1457 @ 0.00035988 = 0.5243 BTC [-]	[06:22]
B0g4r7	http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/bitcointalk.org :(	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	ya its dead for me too.	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 you bogart on forum btw ?	[06:23]
dub	yes, internet is 50% less retarded for the moment	[06:23]
noagendamarket	gaah	[06:23]
B0g4r7	yea	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	dub 66%	[06:23]
BTC-Mining	damn...	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	welcome to irc :p	[06:23]
dub	and its back :(	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	;;ident B0g4r7	[06:24]
gribble	Nick 'B0g4r7', with hostmask 'B0g4r7!natty@h-98-134-238-48.ip.alltel.net', is not identified.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	;;getrating B0g4r7	[06:24]
gribble	This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	a, make one sometime.	[06:24]
B0g4r7	hm, yea I never did figure out the web-of-trust or whatever that system is.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 do you have a gpg signature yet ?	[06:25]
B0g4r7	Neg.	[06:25]
B0g4r7	Guess I should.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	yea, you should.	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	it's one of the things that seem stupid before you get it and impossible to live w/o after.	[06:25]
BTC-Mining	Okay, so for example, she start a scammer tag thread for nefario. Stating how it's been mismanaged. That's okay until now. I'd agree the situations have been mismanaged.	[06:26]
B0g4r7	Looks like I missed out on today's drama, being away from my deskjob desk.	[06:26]
BTC-Mining	But about DMC, she states: I.d. The accounts were later unblocked without any audit being performed, and without any material changes in the alleged facts.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	aha ?	[06:26]
BTC-Mining	When the shareholders decided by a motion to keep Diablo-D3 as a manager. Also.	[06:26]
BTC-Mining	III.a. Starting at least as early as September 10 the assets controlled by Usagi (CPA, NYAN.x, BMF) were being scrutinized publicly on this forum for gross negligence possibly amounting to fraud on the part of the asset holder, in the same manner and to an extent equal or greater to that of I.a. above.	[06:27]
BTC-Mining	III.b. In spite of III.a. Nefario declared Usagi as the head of the ad-hoc commission that was to review GLBSE assets for inclusion in blue/white categories.	[06:27]
noagendamarket	Someone should just make a less retarded version of MPEX with exactly the same features lol	[06:27]
BTC-Mining	Usagi was never declared head of a commission or appointed to review and make decisions about asset inclusion.	[06:27]
noagendamarket	win	[06:27]
noagendamarket	that would be hilarious	[06:28]
BTC-Mining	I'm also in the group with Usagi. We're merely providing input and opinion but have no actual say in decisions which are left to Nefario	[06:28]
BTC-Mining	She twists facts/improperly research them	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining well, so you're in a better position than her to know. you should make a post saying this right there	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	that way people know.	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	everyone wins.	[06:29]
noagendamarket	The problem is Nefario takes more notice of the people on this "board" than people whio actually own the company....	[06:29]
BTC-Mining	She gives half stories keeping only parts to make it look worse, and people spot it. Makes MPOE-PR look bad and thus MPEx	[06:29]
B0g4r7	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115430.msg1245220#msg1245220	[06:29]
B0g4r7	"feel sorry for anyone who didn't pull out after learning that the SEC guy knew something would be happening with GLBSE."	[06:29]
B0g4r7	^ what is this referring to?	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining why do you think it's deliberate ?	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 not too clear.	[06:29]
BTC-Mining	I'll reply soon to the thread, I just mean, ask her to research the facts a thoroughly.	[06:29]
BTC-Mining	It might not be deliberate, but it's bad PR if the facts she gives are not accurate, especially when making serious accusations.	[06:30]
MrTiggr	mircea_popescu: B0g4r7 .... the "SEC Guy" thing is in reference to an email recieved by some from SEC i am pretty sure	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining how'd she research things that are privy to like a few people ? was what you claim now posted anywhere ?	[06:31]
B0g4r7	Any forum (or other) reference you can cite?	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	these aren't "facts".	[06:31]
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MrTiggr	B0g4r7: was that directed at me ?	[06:31]
B0g4r7	yeah	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 there's a pastebin, want me to dig it out for you ?	[06:31]
MrTiggr	B0g4r7: i have a copy of the email but not sure if its kosher to pass it around ....	[06:32]
MrTiggr	^^ or mircea_popescu can find the pastie	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	MrTiggr by now it;s in the open, go ahead	[06:32]
B0g4r7	mircea_popescu: if you would plz.	[06:32]
mircea_popescu	if you have it handy	[06:32]
MrTiggr	ill grab it	[06:32]
noagendamarket	I think the SEC is just trolling	[06:32]
MrTiggr	looked TOTALLY legit, noagendamarket	[06:32]
noagendamarket	Shake the trees and see if cocnuts fall out	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	it was legit. they prolly got 1000 complaints forwarded from local da's and whatnot	[06:33]
MrTiggr	all the headers checked out and even a phone call was made to check it i believe	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	and well... they gotta do something	[06:33]
noagendamarket	they could start with goldman sachs	[06:33]
BTC-Mining	mircea_popescu, as far as I'm aware, no, but neither was the fact Usagi somehow had any say about assets listing or not.	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	noagendamarket no, those have monyz	[06:34]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining im not even sure where she picked that up, but prolly in one of the many usagi drama threads	[06:34]
B0g4r7	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114442.msg1246559#msg1246559	[06:34]
B0g4r7	Like I posted here, I wonder if the LOTTOMINING thing was an SEC sting.	[06:34]
BTC-Mining	People are seriously starting to form a bad opinion of MPOE=PR and indirectly, MPEx because she make up facts/guesstimate them without verifying them.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 im pretty sure it was just pure retardedness.	[06:35]
B0g4r7	The timing would fit.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining you know she has a pretty good record of being spot on, right ?	[06:35]
B0g4r7	And it seems quite blatant in its illegality.	[06:35]
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B0g4r7	(LOTTOMINING)	[06:35]
noagendamarket	LOTTOMINING brought to you by BFL	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 its funny cause of the yeah	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	of the bfl connection	[06:36]
B0g4r7	Yeah, I LOL'd at the patent reference.	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	but i still think it was pure retardedness	[06:36]
noagendamarket	its idiotic	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	hey noagendamarket, what's the confirm count on your oldest tx ?	[06:37]
noagendamarket	your mom	[06:37]
MrTiggr	http://pastebin.com/3ZXYMmwr	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	no srsly.	[06:37]
MrTiggr	^^ SEC Email	[06:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00339998 = 12.9199 BTC [+]	[06:38]
MrTiggr	iirc danieldaniel made a phonecall to confirm it (that mustve been funny :D )	[06:39]
noagendamarket	My current wallet.dat its only 139087 confirmations	[06:39]
BTC-Mining	Aye, people are not complaining about if she has a good guess ratio. They complain about the fact she pass up unverified information as facts to push her guesses before the actual facts happen. It's like someone saying everytime "I saw that person murder someone" when it never happened and she just had a hunch about it and in her defense, claim to be right 90% of the time. Doesn't really	[06:39]
BTC-Mining	excuse passing things as facts which are not.	[06:39]
BTC-Mining	But really, the point is not there about if it ends up being true, it's that announcing things as facts before it happens seems to really hurt public opinion of MPEx.	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00036002 = 8.3885 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.0003646 = 3.646 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35310 @ 0.00036461 = 12.8744 BTC [+]	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	MrTiggr multiple ppl did	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00036547 = 15.2036 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11712 @ 0.00036748 = 4.3039 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64500 @ 0.00036749 = 23.7031 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00036838 = 7.3308 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00036839 = 18.8247 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00036848 = 9.6173 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00036849 = 12.1602 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38875 @ 0.00036978 = 14.3752 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31337 @ 0.00037009 = 11.5975 BTC [+]	[06:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13266 @ 0.00037034 = 4.9129 BTC [+]	[06:39]
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B0g4r7	Hm, yea that email does have the ring of legitimacy to it.	[06:39]
Ukto	so wait, did nefario and glbse idssapear?	[06:40]
Ukto	dissapear ?	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining i guess...	[06:40]
MrTiggr	mircea_popescu: yeh i thought there was more than one .. i recall seeing dandan talking on irc at the same time thos; so i "witnessed" at least one phonecall	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	Ukto kinda	[06:40]
BTC-Mining	I mean, she could start the same accusations without passing things as facts and quoting instead and arguing why it looks shady and why she believes it's highly likely to be a scam or anything.	[06:40]
Ukto	"kinda"	[06:40]
a5m0	abracadabra agath andrew_wmf area asa1024 assbot Azelphur	[06:40]
B0g4r7	Or rather, it lacks the obvious signs of inauthenticity commonly found in these things.	[06:40]
Ukto	it did or it didnt. speculation aside	[06:40]
BTC-Mining	It would be a huge PR + for MPEx	[06:40]
dub	B0g4r7: there was a thread started by a guy who claimed to have claled the sec lawyer the letter came from, who asked him questions about GLBSE	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	MrTiggr anyway, it's well established by now that its legit	[06:40]
dub	called the lawyer*	[06:40]
BTC-Mining	I find she's not doing a good enough job for MPEx	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	Ukto yes.	[06:40]
MrTiggr	i had a copy of the ermail with headers too ... SPF was all intact, everything checked out from a tch. standpoint	[06:40]
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mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining but i mean... so what are you saying, you want her job ?	[06:41]
Ukto	i did hear a rumor about SEC. but that doesnt seem plausable, as no actual us$ was involved, and it was in the UK	[06:41]
noagendamarket	if the sec sends me a letter Ill send them back a link to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc	[06:41]
noagendamarket	lol	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	Ukto the admin might have gotten a little paranoid.	[06:41]
Ukto	what, nefario?	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[06:41]
Ukto	hes IS paranoid	[06:41]
Ukto	but he would come and tell someone	[06:41]
Ukto	that its down for X	[06:41]
Ukto	i am not sure that nefario woudl run off with everyones btc	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	which is why i said kinda. who the fuck knows what's going in their little rats nest by now.	[06:42]
noagendamarket	No he wont if hes following legal advice	[06:42]
Ukto	he IS paranoid tho, i give you that	[06:42]
dub	what about all teh idiotic shit he has done in the paste month makes you think that?	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	he never clarified exactly what the beef was with goat	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	and i don't believe either one of them, they're both lieing about it.	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	(to some degree)	[06:42]
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BTC-Mining	Eh, not sure I would have the time. But at least if you found someone who would constructively argue instead of accusing by association. See, I don't go attacking you personally for what MPOE-PR do, I come to you and argue about why it seems like she's doing a bad job for MPEx and why I think you should held her accountable for what she do when acting as MPEx's public face.	[06:43]
B0g4r7	A google for that phone number turns some threads discussing it.	[06:43]
Ukto	anyoen talk to the other owners of glbse?	[06:43]
Ukto	negario was only 35%	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	BTC-Mining the only thing you've not done yet is actually show me some serious issue there.	[06:43]
MrTiggr	lol negario	[06:43]
dub	lol negario	[06:43]
B0g4r7	What is the connection between theymos and glbse?	[06:43]
Ukto	whoops, did i say that	[06:43]
Ukto	:P	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	so she said usagi was head of some comission, mk.	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 theymos owns ~25% of it	[06:43]
noagendamarket	LOL Negario	[06:43]
dub	thats like my usagio before	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	which he was trying to divest, saturday. by monday nefario was fucking up the show.	[06:44]
Ukto	has theymos said anything ?	[06:44]
noagendamarket	Nefario doesnt have the numbers to do what hes doing	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	Ukto so far he said he's pissed.	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	about every other day	[06:44]
B0g4r7	He's said that he knows nothing.	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	that too.	[06:44]
noagendamarket	The shareholders are in the dark here too	[06:44]
mircea_popescu	noagendamarket you don't have shares do you ?	[06:45]
B0g4r7	I'm not holding out much hope of getting my 50 BTC back.	[06:45]
B0g4r7	I'd just deposited it yesterday. Not bought any securities yet,	[06:45]
noagendamarket	no comment ;0	[06:45]
smickles	yeah that cracked me up. theymos found out about glbse going offline on his forum	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	o fuck, you're my missing 5% aren't you. duh	[06:45]
smickles	never mind that theymos is a nearly 25% stakeholder in glbse	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	you have any idea how long i've been trying to account for you!	[06:46]
noagendamarket	smickles thats correct	[06:46]
dub	never mind that nefario and theymos are fuckbuddies	[06:46]
B0g4r7	I wonder where the SEC got a list of addresses to email ppl, assuming the SEC thing is for real.	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 someone named names.	[06:47]
noagendamarket	You dont have to say anything to the SEC except fuuu	[06:47]
Ukto	then someone else would have gotten emails	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	dub pics ?	[06:47]
B0g4r7	If like 1,000 ppl got it, I'm sure some responded.	[06:47]
B0g4r7	"waaah, I bought PPT and lost everything"	[06:47]
B0g4r7	etc	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	i doubt more than ~50 or so were sent.	[06:47]
dub	B0g4r7: someone mentioned WOT	[06:48]
smickles	well, it's odd that not all the asset issuers got the email, but then again, I don't know how the sec operates	[06:48]
dub	as source of emails	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	yea, but we're pretty sure it's not the wot.	[06:48]
B0g4r7	wat is (was?) WOT?	[06:48]
dub	-otc web of trust	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	bonks http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php	[06:49]
B0g4r7	ha	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	the thing you're supposed to get into.	[06:49]
B0g4r7	ah	[06:49]
smickles	it wasn't -otc/wot either	[06:49]
B0g4r7	yeah	[06:49]
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Ukto	I dont recall who the other owner was, besides theymos	[06:49]
noagendamarket	they arent investigating glbse itself or theymos woulda got a letter	[06:49]
Ukto	I'll have to dig throgh my chats with nefario	[06:49]
Ukto	althoguh I do know one thig	[06:49]
smickles	noagendamarket: would theymos say if he was contacted?	[06:49]
Ukto	Nefario did tell me he was living solely off of btc from glbse	[06:50]
bonks	mircea_popescu: ?	[06:50]
B0g4r7	noagendamarket: I'm not sure we can assume that.	[06:50]
noagendamarket	if anyone is in danger its theymos since hes in the US	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	bonks ? did i hilight you by mistake ?	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	Ukto is that even possible ? it made so little...	[06:51]
noagendamarket	mircea yes it is	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	jesus...	[06:51]
bonks	mircea_popescu: k np	[06:51]
smickles	mircea_popescu: not all of us live as well as you :p	[06:51]
B0g4r7	How unfortunate.	[06:51]
B0g4r7	I just wanted to buy some ASICMINER>	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	smickles ya but i think it's under unemployment benefits	[06:51]
B0g4r7	now I can't (easily)	[06:51]
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mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 well if you buy 5k or w/e the person holds private books	[06:52]
B0g4r7	Yeah, the Board Member package.	[06:52]
B0g4r7	heh	[06:52]
noagendamarket	typically they dont go after investors at all.	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	this is true.	[06:53]
B0g4r7	He's mentioned extending the private books offer to smaller investors. Guess I'll wait and see.	[06:53]
noagendamarket	they dont arrest you for investing in a nigerian scheme lol	[06:53]
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mircea_popescu	tho arguably they should.	[06:54]
smickles	so if they don't go after investors, pirate is cool, right?	[06:55]
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mircea_popescu	:D	[06:55]
noagendamarket	first they need to legitimise bitcoin	[06:55]
smickles	he was just some sorry bum who borrowed money to invest in zeek	[06:56]
B0g4r7	They need to keep their crooked fingers out of bitcoin.	[06:56]
copumpkin	right	[06:56]
copumpkin	we have enough crooked fingers already	[06:56]
smickles	they need to deem it computer game money and ignore it	[06:56]
noagendamarket	^^	[06:56]
B0g4r7	Sounds good to me.	[06:56]
noagendamarket	the sec doesnt regulate wow	[06:56]
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mircea_popescu	indeed.	[06:57]
asa1024	lol copumkin	[06:57]
B0g4r7	or any other purely digital currency.	[06:57]
smickles	copumpkin: only my thumbs are crooked, what fingers do you have covered?	[06:57]
copumpkin	my middle finger	[06:57]
noagendamarket	sell;; popcorn	[06:57]
B0g4r7	If ppl want that kind of regulation, let them play in the classical markets.	[06:58]
smickles	if i give a 'thumbs up" the tip of my thumb points backwards, otherwise, it looks 'normal'	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 people may want it till they're blue in the eyeballs.	[06:58]
noagendamarket	when you point your finger theres 3 fungers pointing at yourself lol	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	btc will do what it does.	[06:58]
smickles	it's not real money anyway unless it can play on a vegas craps table	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	smickles s.dice!	[07:00]
*	smickles is only 7 hours drive from vegas	[07:01]
smickles	I should go there and call out 300 btc on a hard 12. see what happens	[07:02]
noagendamarket	p[robably get a better return than "ibnvesting" btc	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	noagendamarket lemme point out smickles's fund made a solid 1200% over ~5 months	[07:03]
smickles	.py (1/36.0)/(1/30.0)	[07:04]
markac	0.833333333333	[07:04]
smickles	noagendamarket: yeah	[07:04]
smickles	mircea_popescu: well, if glbse doesn't come back, some of the investors will be f'd	[07:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00037034 = 7.7401 BTC [+]	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	why ? btc sitting in their accts.	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	not like it decays	[07:05]
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smickles	but well over 3/4 got out before glbse went down	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	nick of time.	[07:05]
noagendamarket	there was a massive bank run lately	[07:05]
smickles	mircea_popescu: if glbse doesn't come back that btc, or the shares that hadn't yet sold inot the final bidwall don't mean anything	[07:06]
noagendamarket	if you got out thank goat lol	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	smickles you originally said "soon" is what i was answerting to :p	[07:06]
noagendamarket	*irony	[07:06]
smickles	mircea_popescu: soon or some?	[07:07]
B0g4r7	I'm not counting on even getting my BTC back from my glbse account.	[07:07]
mircea_popescu	o nm i misread :p	[07:07]
smickles	B0g4r7: you're that pessimistic?	[07:07]
B0g4r7	Indeed.	[07:08]
B0g4r7	These things rarely have a happy ending in my experience.	[07:08]
smickles	true	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 i imagine even if nefario turns a total ass and runs with the ppl's btc	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	people will cover for it. it wasn't that much to begin with	[07:08]
jcpham	everyone is under arrest	[07:09]
B0g4r7	who would "people" be?	[07:09]
jcpham	line up against that wall over there	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	jcpham urmom too ?	[07:09]
jcpham	prepare for the cavity search	[07:09]
smickles	well, s2cm doesn't need any btc from glbse, just a list of the shareholders	[07:09]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 im not gonna name names. but there's people.	[07:09]
Ukto	who would the people be that will cover?	[07:09]
smickles	(and associated amoutns	[07:09]
Ukto	its not like the share creators can do it	[07:09]
Ukto	they dont know who has what	[07:09]
B0g4r7	I guess you mean the other glbse owners.	[07:09]
B0g4r7	I had no shares, just BTC.	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 ya something like that	[07:10]
B0g4r7	Had not yet purchased anything.	[07:10]
smickles	got in at a good time i see :(	[07:10]
jcpham	i was reading the forum thread about allof this and then i got bored	[07:10]
jcpham	now i'm here	[07:11]
B0g4r7	Much like I got into trading classical stocks at a good time in 2008.	[07:11]
B0g4r7	[/sarc]	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 usagi is the master of it tho, with his 200 btc	[07:11]
smickles	B0g4r7: well, if you'd've picked junk bonds, you'd've made a mint	[07:11]
mircea_popescu	esp the good ones :p	[07:12]
Ignatius-otc	could have thrown a dart at a wall of stocks and shorted whatever hit for plenty of profit	[07:12]
smickles	I have 200 of the finest btc to ever be mined	[07:12]
smickles	and more at shit quality	[07:12]
smickles	but i don't know how to tell the difference	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	Ignatius-otc some have	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	smickles i meant, good junk bonds :p	[07:13]
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B0g4r7	Buying ops aplenty in '09. '08 was all downhill.	[07:14]
smickles	mircea_popescu: oh sorry, i pulled a non-sequitur sort of topic change there	[07:14]
smickles	Oh what luck, just one more buck, fortune left me by chance.	[07:15]
jcpham	i don't want to talk about how many coins i've mined	[07:16]
jcpham	versus how many i have	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	jcpham why ? i'd like to rub it in	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	it's how i make friends.	[07:17]
smickles	true story	[07:17]
jcpham	certianly i've mined over 1000, maybe 1200	[07:17]
jcpham	i posses maybe 5%	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	that's funny, i mined 0.	[07:17]
jcpham	YEAH BUT YOU LIVE IN SOME CRAZY FAIRY TALE WORLD	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	i guess so	[07:18]
smickles	lol	[07:18]
jcpham	real people aren't as privileged as you	[07:18]
jcpham	you should feed poor people	[07:18]
smickles	i've mined maybe 10	[07:18]
jcpham	most of us plebians have to work	[07:18]
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smickles	don't tell him to feed poor people, hell asphixiate them with semen	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	jcpham i feed poor people	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	if they're female, under 30 and submissive.	[07:19]
smickles	:l	[07:19]
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mircea_popescu	whaty	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	what's ;l ?	[07:20]
jcpham	looks like mouth boner	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	srsly lol	[07:20]
smickles	i mean't it as licking my lips	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	smickles o, cause i was gonna say MY HARD COCK!!!1111 ?	[07:20]
smickles	wtf apostrophy	[07:20]
noagendamarket	lol	[07:20]
smickles	*e	[07:20]
jcpham	i wouldn' judge you if it was some type of mouth boner	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	Morocco blocked a Dutch "abortion ship" from entering one of its harbours on Thursday during a campaign group's first attempt to visit to a Muslim country to raise awareness about safe methods of abortion.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	true story.	[07:21]
smickles	there are abortion ships?	[07:21]
noagendamarket	lol	[07:21]
jcpham	i wonder what they do with the babies while at sea	[07:22]
smickles	there's a cruise line for everything	[07:22]
noagendamarket	thats a shitty love boat edition	[07:22]
jcpham	one of these days someone will stumble in this channel	[07:23]
jcpham	without a sense of humor	[07:23]
noagendamarket	the one with captain stbing and the coathanger	[07:23]
smickles	it's liek rule 43, if you can think of it, carnival has a vacation package for it	[07:23]
Ukto	I wanted to make a black shirt, with a coat hanger on it, that says "Got Coathanger?" and goto one of the anti abortion rally's	[07:23]
noagendamarket	nooo	[07:23]
Ukto	put up a fold up table, giving away free coathangers to pregnant teens	[07:24]
Ukto	:P	[07:24]
Ukto	and a sign with an arrow "Follow these guys, heres your choice."	[07:24]
smickles	Ukto: no, non-prego teen chicks, so they have unprotected sex, get prego, and then can use the hangar	[07:24]
B0g4r7	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112438.msg1217338#msg1217338 I think that's the smartest thing I've ever seen Inaba say.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	o i gotta read this	[07:25]
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Ukto	well	[07:26]
Ukto	at least pirate stuck around	[07:26]
Ukto	i give him a point for that	[07:26]
Ukto	nefario just disapears	[07:26]
smickles	B0g4r7: thing is, they wouln't claw back btc, they'd claw back a btc equivilant amount of USD	[07:26]
Ukto	even when he had his extreme paranoia, he came and said he was working on shit	[07:27]
Ukto	has anyone tracked old payments back to the original wallet	[07:27]
Ukto	to see if its been emptied ?	[07:27]
noagendamarket	he emptied it by selling gpumax lol	[07:28]
Ukto	what?	[07:30]
Ukto	nefario has nothing to do with gpumax	[07:30]
dub	u sure bro?	[07:30]
Ukto	he didnt used to	[07:30]
Ukto	heh	[07:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00036789 = 2.1338 BTC [-]	[07:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45162 @ 0.00036751 = 16.5975 BTC [-]	[07:31]
Ukto	he jumped into the band wagon that gpumax was crap, and was the source of some shit before	[07:31]
B0g4r7	Hm, that's not a bad idea.	[07:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P140T] 492 @ 0.25399152 = 124.9638 BTC [+]	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[07:36]
gribble	Best bid: 12.7, Best ask: 12.787, Bid-ask spread: 0.08700, Last trade: 12.67505, 24 hour volume: 39938, 24 hour low: 12.6, 24 hour high: 13.0899	[07:36]
smickles	.py 14-(.25*12.7)	[07:36]
markac	10.825	[07:36]
B0g4r7	Looks like my BTC have indeed been moved out of the deposit address I sent them to at glbse, only a couple hours after I deposited them.	[07:36]
B0g4r7	I wonder if that's normal.	[07:36]
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noagendamarket	prob into a cold wallet	[07:37]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: so what do you make of that P140T?	[07:37]
noagendamarket	its kinda pointless to specualte at this stage	[07:37]
noagendamarket	*speculate	[07:38]
B0g4r7	I suppose so.	[07:38]
B0g4r7	I should go to bed really.	[07:38]
Ukto	well then, check the wallet that the btc was moved out to	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	smickles what ?	[07:39]
smickles	mircea_popescu: that option went on the ticker and you did a ;;ticker, i thought they may be connected	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	well yea, i was curious if btc suddenly dropped	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	usually people buy calls when it pops and puts when it plumets	[07:40]
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mircea_popescu	sorta testing this teory	[07:40]
B0g4r7	Looks like it's all still there. My BTC was in the last sweep into that address.	[07:41]
Ukto	actually	[07:41]
jcpham	i know where all the bitcoins are!	[07:41]
Ukto	it may be possible that nefario is network less	[07:41]
jcpham	on the blockchain!	[07:41]
Ukto	he was using a cell phone for internet access	[07:41]
Ukto	to do work	[07:41]
smickles	;;bc,24hprc	[07:42]
gribble	12.84	[07:42]
Ukto	another good reason to check the cold wallet	[07:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00036795 = 1.4718 BTC [+]	[08:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00036795 = 5.1145 BTC [+]	[08:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 900 @ 0.00036795 = 0.3312 BTC [+]	[08:51]
Ukto	mircea_popescu	[08:55]
Ukto	you still around?	[08:55]
mircea_popescu	ya	[08:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00036904 = 1.5869 BTC [+]	[09:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1922 @ 0.00036795 = 0.7072 BTC [-]	[09:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 838 @ 0.00036751 = 0.308 BTC [-]	[09:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11308 @ 0.00036609 = 4.1397 BTC [-]	[09:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24231 @ 0.0003652 = 8.8492 BTC [-]	[09:41]
Diablo-D3	usagi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77469.msg1246778#msg1246778	[09:42]
Diablo-D3	Im going to bed, night all	[09:42]
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mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[09:47]
gribble	Time since last block: 18 minutes and 40 seconds	[09:47]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder what 50btc.com will do come december	[09:49]
mircea_popescu	new domain ?	[09:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00036904 = 16.7913 BTC [+]	[10:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19434 @ 0.00037034 = 7.1972 BTC [+]	[10:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00037043 = 14.8913 BTC [+]	[10:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.00037054 = 18.5641 BTC [+]	[10:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20001 @ 0.00037149 = 7.4302 BTC [+]	[10:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1853 @ 0.0003721 = 0.6895 BTC [+]	[10:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19980 @ 0.00037242 = 7.441 BTC [+]	[10:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00037278 = 1.4166 BTC [+]	[10:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19132 @ 0.00037398 = 7.155 BTC [+]	[10:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 996 @ 0.00028006 = 0.2789 BTC [+]	[10:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 12700 @ 0.00027682 = 3.5156 BTC [-]	[10:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 14804 @ 0.00023469 = 3.4744 BTC [-]	[10:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00037094 = 2.8933 BTC [-]	[10:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36468 @ 0.00037398 = 13.6383 BTC [+]	[10:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2332 @ 0.00037408 = 0.8724 BTC [+]	[10:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BVPS] 539 @ 0.0035 = 1.8865 BTC [+]	[10:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24594 @ 0.00037012 = 9.1027 BTC [-]	[11:19]
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___Atlas___	I always get out before shit happens.	[11:31]
___Atlas___	Man, I nearly missed Bitcoinica	[11:31]
___Atlas___	I nearly missed Pirate	[11:31]
___Atlas___	Same thing with Zipconf	[11:31]
___Atlas___	Got out just in time with coins in hand	[11:31]
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___Atlas___	Now the same with GLBSE	[11:32]
MrTiggr	you sound so dissapointed ... perhaps its the other way around, ___Atlas___ .... perhaps you are like a bitcoin "typhoid Mary" :P	[11:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00037012 = 0.2221 BTC [-]	[11:44]
fridge	is there a write up of what is known re glbse? I have been out of the loop	[11:44]
fridge	I was kind of expecting it tbh, either glbse to belly up or my portfolio to consist entirely of scammers	[11:46]
fridge	but it is more entertaining than a night at a casino	[11:46]
fridge	whereas I only have brazzers account	[11:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41106 @ 0.00037012 = 15.2142 BTC [-]	[12:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14894 @ 0.00037012 = 5.5126 BTC [-]	[12:09]
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jurov	fridge, i have read much of it and am none wiser... it's not like hollywood movie where they explain everything	[12:14]
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___Atlas___	I've completely reformed the Bitcoin wikipedia article	[12:18]
___Atlas___	It's been quite a journey	[12:18]
___Atlas___	but we're going to get to featured article status eventually	[12:18]
___Atlas___	when that day happens	[12:18]
___Atlas___	Life will be complete	[12:18]
jurov	wish I had your noble desires...	[12:26]
jurov	here it's all carnal, like fucking and money	[12:26]
MrTiggr	lol .... makes me think futurama ...... Screw them all we'll make our own curreny with blackjack .. and hookers :D	[12:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00037375 = 2.3173 BTC [+]	[12:35]
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dub	don't forget shit eating primates	[12:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00037375 = 13.0813 BTC [+]	[13:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25362 @ 0.00037175 = 9.4283 BTC [-]	[13:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24512 @ 0.00037375 = 9.1614 BTC [+]	[13:25]
femtotube	looks like the new Master Of Hyperbole is DiabloD3 :)	[13:31]
femtotube	"A software update for the launch of GLBSE 3.0 is plausible.... just so is the SEC extraditing him from the UK to stand trial in the US."	[13:32]
femtotube	LOL	[13:32]
drekk	heh	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	so it's still down huh	[13:43]
drekk	so it seems. didnt check tho	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	drekk just going by the lack of trades	[13:44]
drekk	yea	[13:45]
drekk	did you notice an impact on mpex trading volume since glbse is down?	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	ya, it lost maybe 3-5%	[13:45]
drekk	really? interesting	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	30day Total Volume 87`868.82731082 BTC	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	was ~9xk last week	[13:46]
drekk	so ppl really are scared :D	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	possibly	[13:46]
drekk	crazy stuff. can't read the forum anymore. all trolling and FUD and whining	[13:47]
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femtotube	How many scam accusations do the forum mods need to tag someone? Usai looks like the most popular candidate for a tag but nothing has happened	[13:49]
femtotube	3 separate accusations	[13:50]
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mircea_popescu	i don't think it goes by count	[13:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 788 @ 0.00037375 = 0.2945 BTC [+]	[13:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22612 @ 0.00037408 = 8.4587 BTC [+]	[13:51]
femtotube	mircea_popescu: none of those are bull shit and all are verified fuck ups	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	femtotube even so.	[13:51]
femtotube	scammer has to collect more money and then run? :)	[13:52]
femtotube	then and only then, the not so bright overlords can tag	[13:53]
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mircea_popescu	i think idiocy is an absolute defense. sorta like verity in calumny proceedings	[13:53]
femtotube	LOL	[13:54]
drekk	it's a forum. not a trading platform. what do you expect?	[13:54]
femtotube	"oops, I am an idiot stealing all the coin. Sorry! Se you all next time" ?	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	"did you scam these people ?" "no, i'm just stupid" "a ok then, move along"	[13:55]
femtotube	this defence probably works in BTC forum :)	[13:55]
drekk	heh	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	"i really made a good faith attempt at investing despite the fact that i lack any experience whatsoever, training no matter how informal or even enough common sense to notice a problem with any of this."	[13:56]
drekk	"...also I got a free rifle at my bank for opening a new account. FREE RIFLE!!!"	[13:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60989 @ 0.00037189 = 22.6812 BTC [-]	[14:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6111 @ 0.00037103 = 2.2674 BTC [-]	[14:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00037166 = 18.0998 BTC [+]	[14:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7000 @ 0.0002777 = 1.9439 BTC [+]	[14:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00037408 = 0.7482 BTC [+]	[14:50]
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Anduck	glbse up	[14:57]
Anduck	?	[14:57]
kakobrekla	nop	[14:58]
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___Atlas___	Well, it was fun while it lasted	[15:00]
___Atlas___	It will be remembered in the footnotes of virtual history	[15:00]
___Atlas___	Right next to second life stocks and other ponzi schemes	[15:00]
___Atlas___	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_iz8z2AGw	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	___Atlas___ whatcher on about	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	o, glbbq	[15:02]
___Atlas___	Hopefully you guys don't have your money seized by the London police	[15:03]
___Atlas___	and then see it spent on the Queen's LSD habit	[15:03]
___Atlas___	I mean, it is in royal law: All property is of her majesty, the Queen.	[15:03]
___Atlas___	SOL	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9DMiy_DVok&feature=related	[15:03]
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___Atlas___	Saw that on the news when that happened	[15:05]
___Atlas___	Sad stuff	[15:05]
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chmod755	;;web fetch http://glbse.com	[15:05]
gribble	" GLBSE is offline For those worried about their bitcoin, please calm yourselves there has been no hack and your coins are safe and all accounted for. I apologize for the lack of notice and the downtime, but there isn't much choice. We will update our users on Saturday. "	[15:05]
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___Atlas___	Not if the Queen has her say.	[15:06]
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___Atlas___	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwziS2aE6Ww	[15:14]
___Atlas___	God save our gracious Queen	[15:15]
___Atlas___	Long live our noble Queen	[15:15]
___Atlas___	May she hold GLBSE's securities in mercy	[15:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 519 @ 0.0002777 = 0.1441 BTC [+]	[15:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.0002777 = 1.6107 BTC [+]	[15:16]
___Atlas___	and save our precious Bitcoins	[15:16]
___Atlas___	in mercy	[15:16]
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___Atlas___	Lucidize: How does it feel knowing the Queen of England has your coins now?	[15:19]
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Lucidize	oh what lol?	[15:21]
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___Atlas___	The Queen owns GLBSE now. It's her property.	[15:21]
___Atlas___	She seized it.	[15:21]
Lucidize	It doesn't sound true to me =)	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	my money is on "nefario had paranoid fit"	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	never ascribe to nefarious agencies that which can be adequately explained by nefario's stupidity.	[15:22]
copumpkin	moo	[15:22]
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___Atlas___	By any measure of sovereignty, Britain is still a monarchy.	[15:33]
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___Atlas___	The Queen can do whatever she wants without any police intervention	[15:33]
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pigeons	yes the queen of england shut down glbse	[15:40]
Azelphur	true story, she told me at dinner	[15:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00037245 = 6.2572 BTC [-]	[15:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00037195 = 3.8311 BTC [-]	[15:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30300 @ 0.00037158 = 11.2589 BTC [-]	[15:41]
Azelphur	with the wording, I'm kinda hoping it's a major security vulnerability that needed to be fixed	[15:41]
Azelphur	or some other technical issue	[15:41]
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___Atlas___	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_Kroner	[15:43]
Lucidize	not really	[15:44]
Lucidize	she lays down no law	[15:44]
Lucidize	she is here just for tourists	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	___Atlas___ "to reach consensus in a network of computing power that validates the transactions"	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	wtf is that english ?	[15:45]
___Atlas___	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity#United_Kingdom	[15:45]
___Atlas___	mircea_popescu: What section is that?	[15:45]
___Atlas___	lol	[15:45]
___Atlas___	Fixed	[15:46]
___Atlas___	lol	[15:46]
Ukto	with the wording	[15:49]
Ukto	and the fact that he could predict an "update" saturday	[15:50]
Ukto	means its not a code thing	[15:50]
Ukto	if it was a code thing, he would to fix it, and put the site back up when it was ready	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	___Atlas___ you gotta put mpex in there.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	wtf is "wuala"	[15:52]
___Atlas___	Stock exchange section lol?	[15:52]
___Atlas___	Hm	[15:52]
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mircea_popescu	i have no ideea i never wrote for shittypedia.	[15:53]
pigeons	he means saturday like pirate means "saturday"	[15:53]
___Atlas___	It's going to be hard to pull off	[15:53]
___Atlas___	without some goon coming in saying "play stocks"	[15:53]
___Atlas___	or some shit	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	tis all play	[15:54]
Ukto	pigeons: lol	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	and then we dye	[15:54]
___Atlas___	I had to endure many edit wars to get the article to where it is right now	[15:55]
___Atlas___	Some wanted it dedicated to bitcoin.org's shitty client	[15:55]
___Atlas___	but I said no	[15:55]
___Atlas___	I said Bitcoin was a currency	[15:55]
___Atlas___	not a software project managed by a 40 year old virgin	[15:56]
___Atlas___	pseudo libertarian	[15:56]
___Atlas___	who wants to get paid to make small code contributions	[15:56]
___Atlas___	balfgadfhadf	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	what's the problem if tux and whoever want ot pay gavin ?	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	their coins, let them have fun	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	you pseudolibertarian you	[15:57]
___Atlas___	Well I am not really libertarian anymore	[15:58]
___Atlas___	I am pretty much amoral at this point	[15:58]
___Atlas___	I don't want bitcoin.org having any influence over Bitcoin	[15:58]
Ukto	actually	[15:58]
Ukto	bitcoin is a commodity, not a currency	[15:58]
___Atlas___	Ukto, we've tried that	[15:59]
Ukto	calling it a currency causes all sorts of problems	[15:59]
___Atlas___	People got really butthurt on wikipedia	[15:59]
Ukto	just saying, it is what it is	[15:59]
___Atlas___	So butthurt	[15:59]
Ukto	a frog, is a frog	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	y ?	[15:59]
Ukto	a bitcoin is a commodity.	[15:59]
Ukto	unless someone can cite a regonized government, recognizing bitcoin as a currency, it is a commodity, nothing more.	[15:59]
___Atlas___	In economics, a commodity is the generic term for any marketable item produced to satisfy wants or needs.	[16:00]
___Atlas___	Currency is a commodity as well	[16:00]
___Atlas___	A commodity can be a currency	[16:00]
___Atlas___	Bitcoin is used as a currency	[16:00]
Ukto	can data storage be a currency?	[16:00]
___Atlas___	so it is a currency	[16:00]
___Atlas___	Ukto: Given enough value, sure.	[16:00]
Ukto	I will trade you cow patties and use it for currency	[16:01]
Ukto	can we add that to the list?	[16:01]
Ukto	pocket lint too	[16:01]
Ukto	i know some stupid ppl that would trade me stuff for pocket lint	[16:01]
Ukto	like a broken pencil	[16:01]
Ukto	i am paying with my currency	[16:01]
Ukto	right?	[16:01]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112402.msg1247307#msg1247307	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	kinda major	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	theymos considering bids under .3 now	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	so what's glbse worth yet ?	[16:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00027772 = 0.1111 BTC [+]	[16:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 666 @ 0.00339998 = 2.2644 BTC [+]	[16:13]
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smickles	oh moi	[16:30]
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*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[22:50]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: https://glbse.com \|\| http://polimedia.us/mpex \|\| https://coinbr.com \|\| https://cryptostocks.com \|\| https://icbit.se \|\| list bot commands: !help \|\| Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades \|\| Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RMjqah \|\| a biased message: http://smpake.com \|\| http://bit4x.com	[22:50]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Oct 1 23:12:50 2012	[22:50]
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pigeons	we need some #btcst style enforcement here, kicks on the word nefario	[22:51]
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rdponticelli	lol	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	lol still ?	[22:52]
BTCHero	whatever	[22:52]
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pigeons	are ou wearing that black dress mircea_popescu?	[22:52]
rdponticelli	lmao would be ok?	[22:52]
BTCHero	nefarious dude?	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	pigeons which ?!	[22:53]
rdponticelli	Anyway, the problem is: around December the only one remaining here would be assbot	[22:54]
pigeons	the one you wear when you pretend to be "the girl"	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	no, i can go just fine w/o mentioning james q dummy by hischisen name.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	hischisen = his chosen	[22:54]
pigeons	he is a Doctor actually	[22:54]
pigeons	Dr. Nefario	[22:55]
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B0g4r7_	NO_OOh, are you Nefario?	[22:55]
drekk	Dr. N(efari)o. call james bond	[22:55]
PsychoticBoy	licenced to chill	[22:56]
BTCHero	we should have all listened to the great mircea_popescu	[22:56]
NO_OOh	ha, yes of course I am nefarios	[22:56]
BTCHero	now look at us	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	BTCHero eh ?!	[22:56]
B0g4r7_	IMO, glbse made a mistake in trying to court these so-called "legitimate businesses" that wanted to be listed.	[22:56]
pigeons	don't worry, if you didn't listen to him before, or even if you did, you'll get another several chances to hear it	[22:56]
BTCHero	We said, but mircea_popescu the site looks so nice and user friendly	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	haha	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu, the site. coming up next, mircea_popescu, the musical.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	it will be atonal and it repeats itself alot.	[22:57]
asa1024	lol	[22:57]
drekk	i'd invest	[22:57]
pigeons	and looks good in IE 6	[22:57]
B0g4r7_	He/they ought to have told them to look elsewhere, and continued to keep glbse in unregulated territory.	[22:57]
pigeons	B0g4r7_: i hear you but let's face it that isn't the issue here	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 dude, the guy is just insane. all his "legit" talk was about STARTING A COMPANY	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	you know, like i started polimedia srl 5 yeas ago ?	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	has fuckall to do with registering as a financial services provider.	[22:58]
pigeons	yeah but you still can't afford another domain	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	pigeons stop trying to confuse the issue :D	[22:58]
BTCHero	also PORN	[22:58]
pigeons	yeah and you're a gypsy too	[22:59]
NO_OOh	maybe if someone registered on your site and paid the 20bitcoin you could afford a new domain	[22:59]
asa1024	porn and stocks - what more do you want?	[22:59]
B0g4r7_	What is the issue then?	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	NO_OOh 30 btc.	[22:59]
pigeons	how many registrations to afford a web designer?	[22:59]
NO_OOh	mircea_popescu: really? when did that change?	[22:59]
Doffx	Can I have a free account mircea_popescu.	[22:59]
PsychoticBoy	a big fat gypsy wedding, that ppl are strange, with thir kitsch looks etc	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	about the time glbse went to shit.	[22:59]
drekk	i'll never get those complaints about webdesign, tld, pr0n... it's obviously a service that works for a lot of ppl	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	Doffx no, but if you wait a while longer you can pay me 50 btc at 20 dolla each	[23:00]
PsychoticBoy	trailertrash	[23:00]
NO_OOh	AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA	[23:00]
B0g4r7_	Well, now we're left with a gaping vacuum where it once was.	[23:00]
B0g4r7_	Hardly an improvement IMO.	[23:00]
Doffx	Ill give you .50 btc for an account today.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 you can just use coinbr eh.	[23:00]
Doffx	Final offer.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	Doffx i'll give you .3 of that for your wife. if you don't have one get one we can talk.	[23:00]
PsychoticBoy	30 btc is way too much	[23:01]
PsychoticBoy	1-5 btc would be enough	[23:01]
pigeons	anyway there's some of those usagi scamassets on mpext	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy according to whom ?	[23:01]
drekk	guess the reason for having a high fee is to keep amateur traders out. i actually appreciate that	[23:02]
PsychoticBoy	crappy interface, crappy trade system,	[23:02]
PsychoticBoy	to me	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	drekk ++	[23:02]
pigeons	and did i meantion porn?	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy you don't know how it feels like to have trades executed within the second	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	it grows on ya.	[23:02]
B0g4r7_	Most everything was listed with glbse.	[23:02]
B0g4r7_	Now all that stuff is inaccessible.	[23:02]
PsychoticBoy	I really dont like the gpg trade system	[23:02]
B0g4r7_	Specifically I wanted to buy into ASICMINER, and now I can't (easily).	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy because ?	[23:03]
Doffx	Ok, ok, ill give you .45 for an acount today.	[23:03]
PsychoticBoy	I hate gpg, I only use it in some emails, because its not user friendly	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	so strange how self-centered people are.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	problem is not that gpg is not psychoticboy friendly. problem is yu're not gpg friendly	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	fix that please.	[23:03]
PsychoticBoy	no I will not use gpg centred sites	[23:04]
Doffx	Its pretty easy to use though, whats difficult about it?	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	you and know who else ?	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	poor people in africa. you're all welcome to your own ghetto.	[23:04]
Doffx	Are you using windows?	[23:04]
B0g4r7_	It's hard to make cryptographic technology user-friendly.	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	it just means poverty, marginality and irrelevance.	[23:04]
drekk	only partially encrypting mails kinda spoils it imho. you're making it easy for a possible attacker to identify which mails are sensitive	[23:04]
PsychoticBoy	yes I use windows	[23:04]
pigeons	PsychoticBoy: coinbr	[23:04]
Doffx	Ahh, yeah windows makes things more difficult	[23:05]
B0g4r7_	In order for it to be effective, the user needs to have more that just a basic understanding of how it works.	[23:05]
rdponticelli	Some people loves to be hacked	[23:05]
PsychoticBoy	thats why ;)	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	i think there's a hm, lemme look for it.	[23:05]
rdponticelli	Just leave them with that	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	http://www.gpg4win.org/	[23:05]
B0g4r7_	Or they'll do dumb things and their security will be compromised.	[23:05]
Doffx	What I found hard about gpg is the documentation is lacking on some of the things you need to do.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	there, it works just fine on windoze too	[23:05]
drekk	gpg4win is pretty user-friendly. ugly, but not complicated	[23:05]
PsychoticBoy	I already use kleopatra fot otc etc	[23:05]
pigeons	you only need to --encrypt --ascii --sign	[23:05]
B0g4r7_	"user friendly" == "user does not need to understand how it works"	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	you just go into cmd line, what's the big deal	[23:05]
PsychoticBoy	for*	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	B0g4r7 o that.	[23:06]
drekk	B0g4r7, pretty much.	[23:06]
PsychoticBoy	I understand how it works, I can code etc	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy well if you have kleo then i really fail to see your problem. you instal python and run pympex	[23:06]
rdponticelli	Anyway, it's useless if you got a trojan with a keylogger	[23:06]
drekk	B0g4r7, you should be familiar with be basic concept of publöic/private key encryption	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	drekk not really	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	you need trojan + rootkit	[23:06]
PsychoticBoy	but im lazy, I like one click interfaces	[23:06]
B0g4r7_	Yes, i am drekk. But most novice users are not familiar one bit.	[23:06]
pigeons	it is one click for mpex "submit"	[23:07]
B0g4r7_	When it comes to cryptography though, a thorough understanding is required. Otherwise all a user can do is trust blindly.	[23:07]
B0g4r7_	Blind trust may be OK for running MS Word, but not for security-sensitive things involving lots of money.	[23:07]
PsychoticBoy	I will try mpex when its not that expensive, 400$ is a aweful lot	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy that will require use of a time machine	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	you should have tried it in may, it was free.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	why didn't you ?	[23:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00037126 = 8.1306 BTC [+]	[23:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00037188 = 7.0285 BTC [+]	[23:08]
drekk	mircea_popescu, trojan/rootkit to do what?	[23:08]
rdponticelli	I won't use a fund who's administrator uses windows and refuses to use gpg, nothing personal...	[23:08]
PsychoticBoy	I was stuck in glbse 1.0	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	drekk trojan for passphrase, rootkit for actual keyring with secret key	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	otherwise passphrase is useless.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	rdponticelli well he does some gpg, he idents in otc for instance	[23:09]
rdponticelli	Not enough	[23:09]
drekk	mircea_popescu, dunno what you mean. :D i was just talking about the possibility for a mitm to tell which of your mails are the important ones, if you only encrypt those	[23:09]
rdponticelli	Not remotely enough if you're managing other people's money	[23:10]
drekk	decrypting it is a different thing of course	[23:10]
PsychoticBoy	Your choice, I will provide gpg encrypted text if you want to	[23:10]
PsychoticBoy	I can but I dont really like it	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	drekk o o sorry, thought you meant about key compromise	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	PsychoticBoy why the hell not man ?! it's great!	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	very empowering.	[23:11]
PsychoticBoy	only use it on tor though	[23:11]
rdponticelli	It's not just that. It's about maintaining a safe environment	[23:11]
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rdponticelli	If you prefer easy of use, you're trading off security	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	rdponticelli seriously now, mpex is shockingly easy to use. people thinking differently are just basing themselves on prejudice	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	if you get them to actually try it they go uhhhh ok ?!	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	that's all !?	[23:13]
rdponticelli	Yeah, when you learn a couple of thing, everything is easy	[23:14]
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mircea_popescu	i mean, i spent about an hour or so getting evoorhees set up with it. he hasn't needed help since.	[23:14]
PsychoticBoy	I am able to use it damn it ;)	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	same thing with some other guy, it's an hour to set up then i never hear from them again	[23:15]
Doffx	Ugg, thats not why people are down on Mpex, its not gpg.	[23:15]
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mircea_popescu	which is kinda why i'm willing to help pretty much anyone through it. i know once they have it it's good forever.	[23:15]
rdponticelli	But it's frigthning that there's so many people unwilling to learn anything	[23:15]
kakobrekla	lazy ppl	[23:16]
PsychoticBoy	laze :D	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i think it's a control issue	[23:16]
PsychoticBoy	Zzzzzzz	[23:16]
rdponticelli	Sweet dreams	[23:17]
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rdponticelli	Keep dreaming with fancy windows	[23:17]
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rdponticelli	The thing is: making things right needs some effort	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	that is true.	[23:19]
rdponticelli	Meanwhile, we keep relying on tools half baked, "proudly" made in 4 days...	[23:20]
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rdponticelli	Well, all the drama is the consecuence	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	that is also true	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	i'ma get my amen card.	[23:21]
PsychoticBoy	Can I get a Halelujah	[23:23]
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femtotube	LOL, this theymos character is more full of shit than I wanted to believe. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112402.msg1248112#msg1248112	[23:32]
femtotube	LOL	[23:32]
Diablo-D3	femtotube: erm, theymos is the bitcointalk owner and a glbse shareholder	[23:32]
femtotube	is everyone involved with BTC a fkn thieve and a liar ?	[23:32]
Diablo-D3	basically.	[23:32]
Diablo-D3	I didnt used to believe it, but I do now	[23:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 805 @ 0.00325001 = 2.6163 BTC [-]	[23:33]
femtotube	Diablo-D3: and how is that "owner" status any excuse?	[23:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00320002 = 3.2 BTC [-]	[23:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00320001 = 3.2 BTC [-]	[23:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 3195 @ 0.0032 = 10.224 BTC [-]	[23:33]
Diablo-D3	femtotube: it means hes a trusted community member	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	femtotube Diablo-D3 im neither. how about that.	[23:33]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: not from lack of trying.	[23:33]
femtotube	fuck this whole gang of assholes.	[23:33]
Diablo-D3	femtotube: thats my opinion	[23:33]
Diablo-D3	I closed DMC over this shit	[23:34]
femtotube	none of them are worth any trust or respect	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 what does that mean ?!	[23:34]
Diablo-D3	shit goes wrong due to outside forces, I get blamed for it by the people who could have helped prevent it	[23:34]
Diablo-D3	so fuck everybody	[23:34]
femtotube	I know all about your DMC saga, Mr Forum Moderator ;)	[23:34]
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femtotube	I guess if you sleep with dogs, you will wake up with fleas	[23:35]
Diablo-D3	yeah, pretty much	[23:36]
femtotube	I miss my coin those GLBSE assholes stole from me :(	[23:36]
pigeons	ou'll get 49% back i'm sure	[23:37]
B0g4r7_	me too. I had cold hard BTC in glbse, not securities.	[23:38]
femtotube	I guess all the bond issuers are ecstatic right now. No exchange, no obligations	[23:38]
femtotube	I transferred my coin out of this shithole when fucktard nefario was missing for 3 days	[23:38]
B0g4r7_	SMRTer than me.	[23:39]
femtotube	if BTC really had a community, those fuckers be all bleeding and shitting by blood now. Starting with this asshole from Texas. Trendon Shavers or what ever.	[23:41]
femtotube	but now, it's just a bunch of weak and soft nerds, who start blabbering about human rights the moment some scumbags deserves to go tits up.	[23:42]
kakobrekla	B0g4r7_ it might be cold but it aint hard :)	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	ou'll get 49% back i'm sure <<< that..	[23:43]
femtotube	mircea_popescu: when are you going to run?	[23:43]
B0g4r7_	A halving of assets, to go along with the halved block reward.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	femtotube funny thing, i have an investor been asking me this since about novemver	[23:44]
femtotube	Good thing is, it's really easy to buy your scalp in Romania :)	[23:44]
femtotube	cost almost nothing to get you all be boxed up and everything.	[23:44]
NO_OOh	haha like a vampire	[23:45]
femtotube	:)	[23:45]
PsychoticBoy	5k$ +'	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	femtotube so your idea of security is, spending more money on the guy that ran off with your money ?	[23:47]
rdponticelli	mircea_popescu: When you run, your shareholder would take part of the bootie :p	[23:49]
rdponticelli	?	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	rdponticelli haha yes, i guess so	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	why do i have to run tho ? i'm lazy. can't i just sit here forever and take everyone's money ?	[23:49]
rdponticelli	I mean, can we run with you?	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	yeah lets all run	[23:49]
rdponticelli	I have to work out a little	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	to an island in the sun	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	dun dun dun	[23:50]
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rdponticelli	But that's already taken by pirate	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	well we get femtotube to bring some boxers or w/e	[23:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2800 @ 0.00027772 = 0.7776 BTC [-]	[23:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 13318 @ 0.00027772 = 3.6987 BTC [-]	[23:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34458 @ 0.00037065 = 12.7719 BTC [-]	[23:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31142 @ 0.00037034 = 11.5331 BTC [-]	[23:58]
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