Forum logs for 05 Mar 2016

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu there's plenty of women using pgp. [00:09]
mircea_popescu and who the fuck is peter norvig anyway ? [00:10]
asciilifeform google cto. [00:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00055921 = 2.852 BTC [+] {2} [00:10]
mircea_popescu yeah yeah, and bullshit textbook on ai that leads nowhere. [00:10]
asciilifeform and author of a really great schoolbook circa 1991, and a terrifyingly abysmal one in 1997. [00:10]
mircea_popescu here's a hint : google search quality peaked in 2001 [00:10]
asciilifeform feedstock quality peaked in '93. [00:11]
mircea_popescu anyway, "we own him now" "heh" "and this is why we bought usernet archive, too" "get lost" "why won't you think we're cool!" "because you're old, and lame, and smell bad" [00:14]
asciilifeform somethinglikethat. [00:14]
asciilifeform and herr norvig, if indeed it is him, is on a comcast line. [00:14]
asciilifeform (as was cia director!) [00:14]
asciilifeform go figure. [00:14]
asciilifeform i'd demand at least a t3 in his place. [00:15]
asciilifeform srsly, wtf. [00:15]
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mircea_popescu i don't think you understand how the world works. [00:16]
mircea_popescu and - more importantly - why. [00:16]
asciilifeform evidently. [00:16]
asciilifeform but sure, i get it, molotov didn't even get to demand that his wife be let go from gulag. [00:17]
asciilifeform much less t3. [00:17]
mircea_popescu this is important. not for the "good of the people", as it is broadly misdirected - but for the continued delusion of the imbeciles in question. [00:17]
mircea_popescu by NOT getting t3, norvig thinks EVEN MORE of the imbecile system he's plugged into. [00:18]
asciilifeform now i'm lost. [00:18]
asciilifeform how does this work. [00:18]
mircea_popescu because he is, fundamentally, a woman, of that miserable, medieval kind. you gotta beat her. [00:18]
asciilifeform isn't being a bureaucrat, beating enough ? [00:18]
mircea_popescu creo quia absurdum est and all that crap. [00:18]
mircea_popescu mno. people get used to it. [00:18]
mircea_popescu why ~the fuck~ do you suppose the koreans gotta do ever more inane absurd shit ? isn't being a korean bad enough ? [00:19]
mircea_popescu no, it never lasts. [00:19]
asciilifeform they also get used to 'comcast.' [00:19]
mircea_popescu which is why they'll get moved to dormitories in due time. [00:19]
mircea_popescu and then chair seats will be replaced with dildoes. [00:19]
mircea_popescu this is why they gotta fucking come up with a "cultural war" about sitting in the fucking bus. [00:19]
asciilifeform which, as far as i can tell, does not yet protrude into meatspace in a way visible to naked eye [00:20]
asciilifeform yet. [00:20]
mircea_popescu you just saw it with naked eye ? [00:20]
asciilifeform possibly. [00:20]
mircea_popescu norvig can, on the basis of his achievements such as they are, live a life his father would have thought good enough for a blue colar laborer. [00:21]
mircea_popescu this, not protrude ? [00:21]
asciilifeform but for all i know, this norvig is a joker and the real norvig is with his harem. [00:21]
mircea_popescu sure. [00:21]
mircea_popescu because obama has a harem, right ? [00:21]
asciilifeform l0l, lacking an intel dept., i can't be entirely certain that he does not. [00:22]
asciilifeform but will take mircea_popescu's word. [00:22]
mircea_popescu a HAREM. not a bevy of women to fuck. a harem. [00:22]
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mircea_popescu it is an institution. it is when a man is invited to seat at a table, and he explains that "you will have to seat five women, because i am not married - i am haremed." [00:22]
asciilifeform then sure. [00:22]
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asciilifeform fair'nuff. [00:23]
mircea_popescu it is when a man ridicules the nuttery of singles marriage, openly, and doesn't entertain it, openly. it's some luxuries no us president ever had. [00:23]
mircea_popescu because poverty. [00:23]
asciilifeform kennedy prolly could've, if he weren't stuck caesaropapisming in a weird religion. [00:24]
mircea_popescu but he DIDNT. he pretended that mudsickle of jackie is an actual woman. [00:24]
asciilifeform aha. [00:24]
mircea_popescu did he say, on tv, "bitch you either eat out marylin or ima flay you alive and hang your disgusting carcass by the south gate" ? [00:24]
asciilifeform obligatory: [00:27]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JduR-9sHk8w [00:27]
assbot Mayor McCheese Gets Assassinated - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YdpiHN ) [00:27]
asciilifeform http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/15900000/Mayor-McCheese-Assassination-family-guy-15951987-505-304.jpg << for those without video [00:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ydpozf ) [00:27]
asciilifeform for n00bz: reference to jackie having actually picked up pieces of jfk's brain and tried to stuff back in! [00:28]
mircea_popescu well... that i can see. [00:28]
mircea_popescu dude the junk on your blog's unreadable. /me made the mistake to try to wade through comments. [00:30]
asciilifeform ahahahaha [00:31]
mircea_popescu i recall trying this once before, yars ago, and not being quite as oripilated. [00:31]
asciilifeform it was always. [00:31]
mircea_popescu i think b-a is ruining me for interidiotnet. [00:31]
asciilifeform where, precisely, are the non-junk comments to come from ? [00:31]
mircea_popescu pff, check it out, english spells it with h ? horripilated ? tsk. [00:31]
mircea_popescu (ancient latin word - horror-haired) [00:32]
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deedbot- [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] In which a couple of car guys discuss computers. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/03/05/in-which-a-couple-of-car-guys-discuss-computers/ [03:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5059 @ 0.00055484 = 2.8069 BTC [-] [04:37]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2450 @ 0.00055566 = 1.3614 BTC [+] {2} [06:22]
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jurov asciilifeform: nice. maybe put the gpg horrors on qntra or loperos? [07:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00055488 = 4.3836 BTC [-] [08:51]
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mircea_popescu not a bad idea. [10:12]
mircea_popescu http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-03-05.log.html#t05:02:16 << in other news, eulora has progressed to feudalism, has actual redditor serfs and everything. [10:17]
assbot #Eulora log for Saturday, 2016-03-05 ... ( http://bit.ly/1prsjZ9 ) [10:17]
mircea_popescu the rumour goes countess diana_coman bathory bathes in virgins' blood to maintain her youth etc. [10:17]
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diana_coman bwahahaha AND I teach him ...percentages! [10:33]
diana_coman of all things [10:33]
mircea_popescu :) [10:36]
mircea_popescu algebra ii ? how unpatriotic! [10:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15592 @ 0.00055492 = 8.6523 BTC [+] {3} [10:49]
shinohai ;;later tell BingoBoingo I couldn't come up with a lulzy enough filler for that story so gonna pass it on to whoever wants it. [10:51]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:51]
shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/492b8r/bitcoin_bounty_offered_of_14_bitcoins/ " I sent them a text calling them a Pig Fucker" [10:53]
assbot Bitcoin Bounty Offered of 14 Bitcoins : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1X1Yw41 ) [10:53]
mircea_popescu shinohai plox to offer short intro for redditard/other tard links. i ended up looking at that only to see that, typical for the mob, it's not any sort of bounty, but a conditional offer predicated on the impossible. [11:00]
mircea_popescu "I am offering a 14 Bitcoin Bounty leading to the arrest, conviction, AND return of my 28 Bitcoins that were stolen from me." << fancy that idiocy. [11:00]
shinohai Sounds like one of Roger Ver's "Bounties" [11:00]
mircea_popescu "i think i'm mp to offer bounties. what, i should have money ?" [11:01]
mircea_popescu then the same fucking idiots come by to "comment" on shit i do. as if we're all people now or something, in the same sense. [11:01]
shinohai I'll be damned if I help someone that stores 28 Bitcoin in an online wallet [11:02]
shinohai Even if I had a magical way to recover said BTC [11:02]
asciilifeform betcha some miraculously not-yet-dekulakized 'earlyadopt' scum - keeps 1000s in a gox. [11:04]
punkman if anyone's selling 100eur notes for 50eur, I'll buy all of them [11:04]
punkman maybe I should post a reddit bounty [11:04]
mircea_popescu ^ [11:04]
asciilifeform (imho every tardwallet thing oughta be called a gox) [11:05]
mircea_popescu then they wonder why people think they're idiots. [11:05]
shinohai But this guy wants his Bitcoins arrested and convicted the way the sentence reads. [11:05]
mircea_popescu i'm offering 14 btc for the arrest and conviction of this particular redditard by isis [11:08]
mircea_popescu payable upon beheading. [11:08]
mircea_popescu what the everloving fuck. [11:08]
* asciilifeform still waiting for pubkey written in piles of known heads on camera [11:10]
asciilifeform or dictated by gurgling famous captives [11:10]
asciilifeform on stakes [11:10]
mircea_popescu as if washington has a key. [11:13]
mircea_popescu fuck them, fiat states, who cares. "legal process" or w/e. [11:14]
asciilifeform washington has no key, but a snitch can walk into any of 1,000,001 gestapo ratholes and chat. [11:16]
mircea_popescu so ? [11:16]
mircea_popescu obama joining from obama@whitehouse.org is in no better position than random derp joining from anon@isis.ir [11:17]
asciilifeform and washington doesn't pgpsign, but somehow it is always very easy to distinguish its spew from all other. [11:17]
mircea_popescu only detrimentally. [11:18]
mircea_popescu just like should we look for places to poison mice, we'll go by the holes ; but should we look for a hero mice to reward with a wheel of cheese - we won't notice the holes. [11:18]
asciilifeform no shit [11:21]
asciilifeform but are there such things as heroic mice. [11:21]
asciilifeform and if there are, they have own keys. [11:22]
mircea_popescu aha [11:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00055488 = 11.1531 BTC [-] [11:32]
jurov https://medium.com/@barmstrong/what-happened-at-the-satoshi-roundtable-6c11a10d8cdf#.bgn65l10p [11:43]
assbot What Happened At The Satoshi Roundtable — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsDGsQ ) [11:43]
jurov "Bitcoin Classic is ready and being run in production today by a number of bitcoin companies. Bitcoin Core has produced no such option that is production ready, and seems committed to putting out sub-optimal solutions that I described above." [11:43]
jurov bezzle-ready! [11:44]
mircea_popescu pfff. [11:44]
mircea_popescu jurov feel free to fuzz, crashing it every which way will make a somewhat lulzy qntra piece [11:44]
mircea_popescu or mats or anyone else so inclined. [11:44]
mircea_popescu rather low hanging fruit, that sort of inept claim. classic is about as production ready as windows 7. [11:44]
asciilifeform i thought 'classic' was just normal prb but with 2mb constant. [11:45]
mircea_popescu eh they have nfi what they're doing. classic is essentially a social media campaign. [11:46]
mircea_popescu by idea guys for idea guys. [11:46]
mircea_popescu totally ready for "running in production" by other idea guys. [11:46]
asciilifeform how hard to twiddle a knob. [11:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13490 @ 0.00055567 = 7.496 BTC [+] [11:47]
asciilifeform or, what, there is other nonsense in there, not only phatblox? [11:47]
asciilifeform 'scorpions were not enough, also needs rusty nails' [11:48]
kakobrekla ;;ticker [11:48]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 394.26, Best ask: 394.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 394.25, 24 hour volume: 38813.97070032, 24 hour low: 391.5, 24 hour high: 421.7, 24 hour vwap: None [11:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00055567 = 11.1134 BTC [+] [11:49]
mircea_popescu ^ for the record, i've been divesting, if slowly. [11:52]
mircea_popescu bitcoin as it currently stands is a very iffy proposition. it ~absolutely~ requires the bricking of current miners to have a chance, and major protocol rewrites. [11:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you divest, what'll you nuke it with? [11:53]
mircea_popescu slownuke. [11:54]
mircea_popescu let the fucktards meet the halving on halved prices. [11:54]
mircea_popescu oh herp derp we are miners and making conferences ? fucking death warrant you've signed there boys. [11:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5993 @ 0.00055486 = 3.3253 BTC [-] {2} [11:55]
asciilifeform who ever heard of a slow nuke. dontcha want the panic stampede? [11:56]
mircea_popescu nope. [11:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16927 @ 0.00055404 = 9.3782 BTC [-] {4} [11:56]
asciilifeform but this way the idiots can carry on thinking 'it just happened because the winds blew' [11:57]
mircea_popescu and you see a problem with this ? [11:57]
asciilifeform aha, when you kill a derp, you do it on the public stake, not by dropping a snowstorm on him, no? [11:58]
mircea_popescu except i couldn't care less about the derps. what, you think they're people or something ? [11:58]
asciilifeform they're this thing that watches the public stake and follows power? [11:59]
asciilifeform or do i catastrophically misunderstand. [11:59]
mircea_popescu well, if they had been following power they'd be sending their irs receipts to me rather than obama. [11:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3637 @ 0.00055377 = 2.0141 BTC [-] [11:59]
mircea_popescu mno, they don't watch anything, just keep humming this tune in their head. which is perfectly fine and utterly uninteresting. [11:59]
asciilifeform and just last night mircea_popescu was reminding me of e folly of throwing away old razor for incomplete lisp razor [12:01]
asciilifeform if bitcoin is yielded to usg, with what is new one to be built? [12:01]
mircea_popescu eh, usg isn't even a player. [12:01]
mircea_popescu some idiot somewhere last year looked at whatever the fuck they look at and came to the conclusion that "we'll win this one apple - style, vc and software plox!" [12:02]
asciilifeform with what is the forkwar to be fought? [12:02]
mircea_popescu idjits. [12:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform by the looks of it, roughly around july there will be an open competition of ~myriad forks on the market. [12:02]
mircea_popescu ideally trb will at that time be ready to propose one of its own. [12:03]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell asciilifeform about crapple trial see http://qntra.net/2016/02/fbi-iphone-circle-jerk-theater/ for my perspective. *Interesting* other perspectives welcome. [12:03]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:03]
assbot FBI iPhone Circle Jerk Theater | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1QsG7LR ) [12:03]
mircea_popescu ;;google site:trilema.com consumers revolt [12:04]
gribble B,TMSR~ and fundamental justice reform. on Trilema - A blog by ...: ; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility - Mircea Popescu: [12:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so babelocalypse? [12:04]
mircea_popescu 2nd one. not exactly news, this, is it ? was on the books for 3 years. [12:04]
mircea_popescu i even got the timing almost right. half month precision over 3 years in bitcoin is pretty impressive. [12:05]
mircea_popescu it is just about absolutely clear for me that bitcoin, just like any other technology to date, brings about absolutely no betterment for the common man. [12:05]
mircea_popescu strictly because the common man is an unrepentant imbecile proud of his imbecility, but that's a secondary consideration. [12:06]
asciilifeform so in what sense would it be worth anyone's time to work on satoshi's turd [12:06]
mircea_popescu in what sense is it worth anyone's time to do anything ? [12:07]
asciilifeform in the sense where the great satan is the common enemy of all thinking people? [12:08]
mircea_popescu aite then. [12:08]
asciilifeform gonna be interesting to see btc at fiddycents, kakobrekla , jurov, will get day jobs? [12:10]
asciilifeform who is to make wunderwaffen then. [12:10]
kakobrekla its barrel time! [12:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, by himself? [12:10]
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mircea_popescu i thought you didn't have any, didn't care to have any and didn't etc ? [12:10]
asciilifeform or me, with my toes [12:10]
jurov lol yea, day job almost happened last year [12:11]
asciilifeform well that's why i didn't mention me [12:11]
asciilifeform i came pre-fucked [12:11]
mircea_popescu anyway, no fiddy cents. coupla hundy should be enough. miners can't actually support their shit even at current prices, if it halves. [12:11]
asciilifeform it'll be cents once gavn phorks and mircea_popescu has no nuke. [12:12]
mircea_popescu everyone forks. [12:12]
mircea_popescu and honestly, what the everloving fuck do i care. bitcoin with mining cartel is literally, and i do mean LITERALLY just a very slow, unreliable and expensive visa run by idiots. [12:13]
asciilifeform the value pumped into the old btc will go to hitler. [12:13]
BingoBoingo jurov feel free to fuzz, crashing it every which way will make a somewhat lulzy qntra piece << Jurov takes are always welcome [12:13]
* BingoBoingo also doesn't recall seeing a mats piece yet [12:13]
mircea_popescu technically the value pumped into the old btc all comes from hitler anyway. what, ustard has money now ? [12:13]
mircea_popescu the intellectual value of the work trying to get it to work goes to that great place in the sky where everyone's work ever goes, gauss, newton, who have you. [12:14]
* asciilifeform has nfi. [12:14]
asciilifeform so trb foundation closes today? [12:15]
mircea_popescu it does ? [12:15]
asciilifeform well this is implied? [12:15]
mircea_popescu how ? [12:15]
mircea_popescu i suppose IF the july many-fork time comes and trb has nothing to offer then it might as well close. [12:16]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422471 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422529 ? [12:16]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 14:51:11; mircea_popescu: ^ for the record, i've been divesting, if slowly. [12:16]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 15:13:36; mircea_popescu: the intellectual value of the work trying to get it to work goes to that great place in the sky where everyone's work ever goes, gauss, newton, who have you. [12:16]
asciilifeform and there is no way in hell that adacoin by july, unless mircea_popescu writes it himself... [12:17]
mircea_popescu well, not like it HAS to close. it can also continue doing what it did for the ~first half year of its existence, which is to say critique whatever prb [12:17]
asciilifeform i would like to be wrong about this. but i see no parachute. [12:18]
mircea_popescu that was not yet called either prb or core or anything, because before we came and crackd the nut, inanities avbout how "only one bitcoin software" still had currency amongthe ruminant herd. [12:18]
asciilifeform critique 1,000,001 blooming flowers of idiocy? [12:18]
mircea_popescu yeao [12:18]
mircea_popescu p* [12:19]
asciilifeform they have infinite hitpoint. as mircea_popescu taught us. [12:20]
mircea_popescu quite. [12:20]
asciilifeform what'd be the point? [12:20]
BingoBoingo Outlasting? Isn't that the point of every cult? [12:21]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu> in what sense is it worth anyone's time to do anything ? [12:21]
asciilifeform to kill hitler. [12:21]
mircea_popescu outlasting is, as far as one can discern, the implicit goal of life on earth. [12:21]
mircea_popescu cult or no cult, culture or no culture. [12:21]
mircea_popescu anyway, to the more general point : all our understanding as to how bitcoin should work, see for instance yest discussion, comes from dissecting how prototype-bitcoin did in fact work. [12:23]
mircea_popescu as much as we'd love to suck our own cocks, while we readily agree TODAY that "should be so and so", we'd have had no such agreement a decade ago. [12:23]
mircea_popescu no work done on satoshi codebase has yet been wasted, except that done for other people than us, or outside of b-a. [12:23]
asciilifeform bitcoin was really 2 things [12:24]
asciilifeform 1) this prototype. [12:24]
asciilifeform 2) a desperate wartime wunderwaffen that allowed for some temporary sanity [12:25]
asciilifeform e.g., kakobrekla without dayjob [12:25]
mircea_popescu well, yeah, but that 2 sunk meanwhile. [12:25]
asciilifeform and other folks at least working towards kakoization. [12:25]
mircea_popescu anyway, relax, you got plenty of time. [12:27]
asciilifeform time to do what ? [12:28]
asciilifeform buy coin at 400 so i can pay rent with it at 0.50 ? [12:28]
mircea_popescu what do you think this is, some sort of cult ? [12:28]
mircea_popescu we don't answer that kinda q for you. [12:28]
mircea_popescu anyway, what you're missing, perhaps on account of age, is that... well... i recall hanging out with kakobrekla back when bitcoin was 2 dollars. [12:30]
mircea_popescu didn't seem to make so much difference. [12:30]
mircea_popescu actually - much fewer idiots then, of the purely idiotarian type. of course all sorts of actual idiots seemed quite reasonable, pleasant folk, but what can you do. [12:30]
asciilifeform fewer still in '93. [12:31]
mircea_popescu (and yes, it was 2 dollars +-10% for a straight year) [12:31]
asciilifeform the issue is not that walking the earth sux. the issue is splat from an airplane. [12:31]
mircea_popescu myeah. [12:32]
asciilifeform but at any rate, it isn't my toy, the owners can break it if they want. [12:32]
mircea_popescu free market will provide right ? [12:32]
asciilifeform but i for one don't see anyone winning from this but usg. [12:32]
mircea_popescu kinda what i was going to say next, "don't worry too much, things have a way of sorting themselves out" [12:32]
mircea_popescu eh, costco is a more likely winner than usg. [12:33]
mircea_popescu a more significant player, also. [12:33]
asciilifeform and costco is something other than usg ? [12:33]
asciilifeform all tentacles of fiat are the same animal. [12:33]
mircea_popescu fine, fine, asda. [12:33]
mircea_popescu ok, ok, prince ibrahim the unknown al saud. [12:33]
mircea_popescu still ? [12:33]
asciilifeform still. [12:33]
asciilifeform absolutely. [12:33]
mircea_popescu the problem here might be psychogenic. [12:33]
asciilifeform all confiscatable money is the same. [12:33]
mircea_popescu lol yeeeeah, that worked really well with the embargo and all lol. anyway. [12:34]
mircea_popescu rajit imberdejit, a 2nd vice-governor of uttar pradesh [12:34]
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asciilifeform if u.s. dept of state can take his goats, he is the same as costco. [12:34]
mircea_popescu us dept of state can do ~ nothing, but direct the dod to lose some more items . [12:35]
asciilifeform ditto if moscow can. [12:35]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Maybe you are stuck between a rock and a need for vacation? [12:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14346 @ 0.00055734 = 7.9956 BTC [+] {4} [12:44]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i will have vacation when i'm dead. [12:45]
asciilifeform can't afford it. [12:45]
deedbot- [Qntra] Correction Takes Bitcoin Network Difficulty Down 3.1% - http://qntra.net/2016/03/correction-takes-bitcoin-network-difficulty-down-3-1/ [12:45]
BingoBoingo I mean the vacation that lets you afford other vacations. You know the one where you sit in a cabin to make trb fork. Not full adacoin, but the possibility of adacoin. [12:46]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/33D5WNW.txt [12:46]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ru9cV2 ) [12:46]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: unless it pays immediately, i can't afford it. [12:46]
asciilifeform i am not mircea_popescu, and have no wiggle room. [12:46]
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AaronvanW adlai aegis ahmed_ Aleph0 alnit Alopex alphonse23_ amiller Apocalyptic artifexd asciilifeform assbot Azelphur [12:51]
mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/0V66S68.txt < asciilifeform [12:51]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ru9yuC ) [12:51]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell shinohai Fine. I'll show you how to juice that headline with a story in under 100 words, just to intoduce a target. [12:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i agree. but it means a very tight belt. [12:52]
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mircea_popescu deedbot-> [Qntra] Correction Takes Bitcoin Network Difficulty Down 3.1% <<< curious if the drops till july will add up to 50% or not. [13:01]
mircea_popescu seems somewhat likely [13:01]
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BingoBoingo In other news looks like OpenBSD Vax is ending at 5.9 as Vax hardware reaches end of operating afterlife. [13:20]
deedbot- [Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), January - February 2016 Joint Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-january-february-2016-joint-statement/ [13:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo et al : http://qntra.net/2016/03/correction-takes-bitcoin-network-difficulty-down-3-1/#comment-47861 [13:33]
assbot Correction Takes Bitcoin Network Difficulty Down 3.1% | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1X2gQd2 ) [13:33]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/03/correction-takes-bitcoin-network-difficulty-down-3-1/#comment-47862 [13:34]
assbot Correction Takes Bitcoin Network Difficulty Down 3.1% | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1X2gSSs ) [13:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/03/correction-takes-bitcoin-network-difficulty-down-3-1/#comment-47863 [13:35]
assbot Correction Takes Bitcoin Network Difficulty Down 3.1% | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1X2h3wQ ) [13:35]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: plox fix 'subsidize' [13:36]
asciilifeform ty [13:36]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422613 << iirc there is an acceptably good emulator, but this would sorta defeat the purpose [13:36]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 16:19:23; BingoBoingo: In other news looks like OpenBSD Vax is ending at 5.9 as Vax hardware reaches end of operating afterlife. [13:36]
BingoBoingo yes [13:37]
BingoBoingo I'll dig up the archive of the theo mail but he sent it today if anyone else wants to dig first [13:37]
BingoBoingo fxd [13:38]
deedbot- [Qntra] Frontier County Prosecutor Alleges Circle Jerk iPhone Carries "Cyber Pathogens" - http://qntra.net/2016/03/frontier-county-prosecutor-alleges-circle-jerk-iphone-carries-cyber-pathogens/ [13:40]
BingoBoingo ^ shinohai see above, maybe get a blog to practice the writing thing on not-news so that you may better news. [13:40]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: incidentally, nowhere in volkischer beobachter will you find mention of the 100s of folks who mailed in offers to usg to root the pnohe with the very simple nand flash removal method. [13:42]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: See https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=145715162325192&w=2 and following message in thread [13:42]
asciilifeform (because the case is not about any of this idiocy, but something else) [13:43]
BingoBoingo yes [13:43]
BingoBoingo because Hegelian social engineering [13:43]
BingoBoingo outcome doesn't matter, but conversation in the media is everything [13:43]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.27408011 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b127 [13:43]
BingoBoingo lulz from mircea_popescu's qntra adventure in Argentina https://archive.is/oSlsr [13:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1U1LkwH ) [13:46]
mircea_popescu awww, argentards dun like to hear ? [13:46]
mircea_popescu so surprise much wow. [13:47]
mircea_popescu amusingly enough, does retard-argentina have more retards than retard-buttcoin ? [13:47]
BingoBoingo I'm honestly pleased that the spanish used it so simple as to be easily and painlessly read without translating thinking [13:47]
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asciilifeform !up Sheepola [13:54]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo: i'm half tempted to temporarily lower my iq with drugs just to understand "them" better... [14:00]
thestringpuller i guess this is where the phrase, "Can I get what you're somking" comes from [14:00]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: they don't make dope this strong, you will need head+brickwall [14:00]
thestringpuller sounds like a temporary solutions with long term health side effects [14:01]
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BingoBoingo Increase velocity and it can be permanent [14:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/225HX7Q.txt << lulz from btc-e crudbox. apparently they make filipinos in ru. [14:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/21QyX9m ) [14:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00055377 = 9.1649 BTC [-] {2} [14:07]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Didn't SU have it's own philipino style satellite? [14:07]
asciilifeform wut? [14:08]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: You know. One it converts to speaking ru while leaving to maintain it's tribal intellectual poverty. Maybe the Aleuts or something? Or did RU/SU not do this? [14:09]
asciilifeform nope. [14:09]
BingoBoingo Ah [14:10]
BingoBoingo alf you may appreciate this wholesale name theft https://archive.is/yFJXz [14:13]
assbot Ubitquity Releases ‘Revolutionary’ Blockchain Real Estate Platform - Bitcoin News ... ( http://bit.ly/21QzU1i ) [14:13]
asciilifeform snore. [14:13]
BingoBoingo Stole name from Ubitquiti [14:14]
BingoBoingo snore, but shows advancing lack of shame [14:14]
BingoBoingo Or peril of naming yourself almost a dictionary word [14:14]
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jurov http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/04/france_to_jail_tech_execs_over_encryption davout wtf? [14:32]
assbot French parliament votes to jail tech execs who refuse to decrypt data • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/21QCKDz ) [14:32]
deedbot- [Daniel P. Barron] The mega-problem of bitcoin - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-mega-problem-of-bitcoin/ [14:42]
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asciilifeform ;;isup danielpbarron.com [14:50]
gribble danielpbarron.com is down [14:50]
asciilifeform danielpbarron ^ [14:50]
danielpbarron well that's odd.. i'm ircing from the same ip [14:52]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: seems like your www serv fell down. [14:53]
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danielpbarron very strange, I can ping it on my local network, but can't ssh to it [14:55]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: are you sure you have enough RAM on pogo to serve wordpress? [15:01]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: You may have to flense your wordpress further or consider an alternate blogotron based off of werc (Which I have been thinking about but have lacked the chance to explore myself yet) [15:02]
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danielpbarron well why has it been working up till now? did so many try to load that at once? [15:03]
BingoBoingo It's likely on 256 MB of RAM that that would have knocked down your www tron [15:03]
asciilifeform 128 [15:04]
BingoBoingo Aha [15:04]
danielpbarron pretty sure i had swap actived on that one [15:04]
BingoBoingo But pogo-speed swap... [15:05]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Anyways the first place to look at flensing wordpress is your theme. [15:05]
BingoBoingo Reduce the number of php calls it needs to do to look the way it does [15:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00055377 = 8.3342 BTC [-] [15:10]
mircea_popescu lol france [15:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> nope. << orly ? ukr ? [15:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: where ru built everything that distinguishes it from zimbabwe? please play again. [15:14]
mircea_popescu how are the phillipines distinguished from kenya ? [15:15]
asciilifeform well there is a dimm on my desk stamped 'made in philippines.' there is not, and i looked, one 'made in kenya'. [15:15]
mircea_popescu " where ru built everything that distinguishes it from zimbabwe?" [15:16]
mircea_popescu don't tell me lazy ladybois did that! [15:16]
asciilifeform 100% of what sets the ukrs - quite temporarily - above the monkeys in the zoo, is of su design and manufacture. [15:17]
asciilifeform and yes, largely by long-dead folks. [15:18]
mircea_popescu and 100% of what sets the piony - quite temporarily - above the monekys in the zoo is of anglo design and manufacture [15:18]
mircea_popescu and DEFINITELY by long-dead folks. [15:18]
asciilifeform piony? [15:19]
mircea_popescu ;;google pinoy [15:19]
gribble Pinoy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Urban Dictionary: pinoy: ; Pinoy Tambayan | Watch Pinoy TV Shows Online: [15:19]
asciilifeform ah [15:19]
asciilifeform certainly true [15:19]
mircea_popescu so then yes - ukraine, direct equiv ? [15:19]
asciilifeform not in the sense BingoBoingo asked for [15:19]
asciilifeform afaik the anglos did not so much as attempt to culturally 'uplift' the pinoy. [15:20]
mircea_popescu depends on your definition thereof. [15:20]
mircea_popescu introduced xtianity, for instance. [15:20]
mircea_popescu also - clothing. [15:20]
asciilifeform the ukrs pulled a successful 'fast one' by swallowing up several mil. native ru folk. [15:20]
asciilifeform and enslaving. [15:20]
mircea_popescu similarly there [15:20]
mircea_popescu enslaving my butt. [15:21]
asciilifeform what anglos toil in the philippines ? [15:21]
mircea_popescu if only there were enslaving. [15:21]
asciilifeform nobody asked donbas if it wants to mine coal to power imbecilic kiev. [15:21]
asciilifeform to keep nuland's snatch warm [15:21]
asciilifeform so - enslaved. [15:21]
mircea_popescu eh, get out of here. the last enslaving went the other way, back in stalin's day. [15:21]
mircea_popescu nobody asked ukrs if they wanted to fight "the facscist invader" etc. [15:22]
asciilifeform stalin followed peter's 'colonization with the crown as sole european' model. [15:22]
mircea_popescu kinda ironic how hitler never realised poland/ukraina/etc actually liked him a lot more than saxony. [15:23]
asciilifeform at least until he went into tilt, it did. [15:23]
mircea_popescu myeah [15:23]
asciilifeform but certainly not where, e.g., dirlewanger, had been. [15:23]
mircea_popescu that tilt is not even what anglo sources usually like to pretend. [15:24]
mircea_popescu loved the jew burning. [15:24]
asciilifeform quite! [15:24]
asciilifeform to the point that they didn't leave so many for the germans to use [15:24]
asciilifeform ditto baltics [15:24]
mircea_popescu well for that matter - france. [15:25]
asciilifeform there is an interesting (ru) account of a witness who saw the latvians, in anticipation of german arrival, have some fun at a yeshiva [15:25]
asciilifeform they frogmarch the bearded folks to the local mechanic shop [15:25]
mircea_popescu by and large, quite happy with hitler. at least he's not english. then degaulle came up with a piously fraudulent reinterpretation of the early 40s [15:25]
asciilifeform and stuff the air hose down moth [15:25]
asciilifeform *mouth [15:25]
asciilifeform blowing out his guts through the arse. [15:25]
asciilifeform then - next. [15:25]
asciilifeform i have always wondered if this is a plausible tale, anatomically [15:26]
mircea_popescu quite. [15:26]
mircea_popescu air has to go somewhere. [15:26]
asciilifeform yeah but is there enough pressure. [15:27]
asciilifeform and wouldn't you expect peritoneal burst prior. [15:27]
mircea_popescu quite. asshole not designed or intended to hold pressure in that way. [15:27]
mircea_popescu how would you distinguish "peritoneal burst" from this ? [15:27]
asciilifeform witness specifically said 'guts fell from arse' [15:28]
mircea_popescu this is a trained surgeon that'd so distinguish ? [15:28]
asciilifeform devil knows. [15:28]
mircea_popescu "not THAt inch, THIs inch!" [15:28]
asciilifeform i think about this story every time i turn on my compressor. [15:28]
mircea_popescu you recall the story of that weioghlifter who butt-exploded shattering shit and blood all over ? [15:29]
asciilifeform no? [15:29]
mircea_popescu was a thing. [15:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo? [15:29]
mircea_popescu ;;google "i remember pushing extra hard" weightlifter anal [15:30]
gribble 80 Badass Quotes About Training - Chris McCombs: ; Weightlifter - Rotten: ; Advanced Body Weight Workout - This Will Kick Your Ass | Nerd ...: [15:30]
mircea_popescu hm. i recall the exact quote. derp was "and then i felt like i was pushing extra hard..." [15:30]
asciilifeform l0l survived ? [15:30]
asciilifeform surgeons made him a new arse ? [15:30]
danielpbarron my wwwtron seems to have recovered on its own.. working for now if you want to try [15:32]
asciilifeform seems to work. [15:32]
mircea_popescu i see it. [15:32]
asciilifeform unrelatedly, does anybody else find it curious that the linux kernel offers no way to remap keys ? [15:37]
asciilifeform and FUCKING NO, the idiot xmodmap thing is pointedly not it (doesn't work in the console) and the keymap derpery is also not it (doesn't work in X) and neither works in, e.g., 'dosbox'. [15:38]
asciilifeform on proper machine i do it in hardware. [15:39]
punkman NSFL http://poetry.rotten.com/weightlifter/ [15:39]
assbot Weightlifter ... ( http://bit.ly/21dKwVP ) [15:39]
asciilifeform on laptops, stuck with the idiocy [15:39]
asciilifeform (i consider a machine where ctrl is NOT where capslock usually is, and capslock isn't GONE, -- UNUSABLE) [15:41]
asciilifeform punkman: interesting. [15:42]
mircea_popescu word, he found it. [15:44]
mircea_popescu that's the one. penn state, looks like 20 eyars ago ? [15:45]
punkman snopes says the text is dubious though http://www.snopes.com/photos/risque/prolapse.asp [15:45]
assbot Weight Lifter with Prolapsed Rectum : snopes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/21dKWvj ) [15:45]
mircea_popescu i myself am persuaded that's a very accurate model of how "force air in oral cavity" would work. [15:48]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo? << was a thing, don't recall exact link or quote [15:49]
mircea_popescu there's also the case of the retarded romanian workers who stuck a compressed air outlet in the woman's vagina for lulz, ended up with a fatality. [15:49]
punkman the split uniform looks suspicious, could also be some goatse dude instead of weightlifter [15:49]
BingoBoingo my wwwtron seems to have recovered on its own.. working for now if you want to try << take this opportunity to flense. It's seriously 90%+ of making wordpress www worthy [15:49]
mircea_popescu but iirc we did that in the logs. [15:50]
punkman fuck wordpress, use one of those static site generators [15:50]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: how distribute coins without mining? [15:50]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422772 << iirc that was embolism tho [15:50]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 18:48:33; mircea_popescu: there's also the case of the retarded romanian workers who stuck a compressed air outlet in the woman's vagina for lulz, ended up with a fatality. [15:50]
asciilifeform not blood loss [15:50]
* BingoBoingo did suggest werc + plugin universe, but I have yet to explore that much myself [15:50]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: see last night's thread [15:51]
BingoBoingo werc is cat-v/9base thing [15:51]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as quoted by danielpbarron [15:51]
punkman nice, ETH = 0.02943110 BTC [15:52]
punkman ;;ticker --market all [15:52]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 399.11, vol: 18536.01772323 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 402.598, vol: 10493.82931 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 398.6, vol: 51987.50437469 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 405.01, vol: 1.38919073 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 409.344, vol: 66669.56750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 392.95, vol: 5581.80816405 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 390.511, vol: 218.100316 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [15:52]
ben_vulpes aha [15:53]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: quite possibly cutting mining apart from transacting was a design error. [15:54]
asciilifeform ditto address-generation from mining. [15:54]
asciilifeform if you want to plow a field, what would you rather have? two strong oxen? or 4294967296 cockroaches. [15:56]
punkman #altcoin-assets when [15:56]
ben_vulpes #bitcoin-redesign [15:56]
asciilifeform punkman: iirc we already had [15:56]
ben_vulpes #bitcoin-design, rather [15:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00055544 = 6.943 BTC [+] {2} [15:57]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the one thing i will say for certain is that the moving parts gotta be ~number-theoretical~ entities, rather than idiot protocol-promise goop [15:58]
asciilifeform (with their magic bitfields, etc.) [15:59]
punkman does monero solve the miner-can-block-my-tx with its ring signatures? (ping fluffypony) [16:00]
asciilifeform punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-05-2014#685870 [16:01]
assbot Logged on 22-05-2014 17:00:58; asciilifeform: re: 'monero': 'Egalitarian proof of work' << do we need to read past this line ? [16:01]
asciilifeform and megatonnes of other misc. retardation. [16:02]
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punkman I think wot+credit-lines solutions are interesting, sorta like the original ripple before the derps bought the name [16:05]
asciilifeform punkman: interesting how ? [16:05]
asciilifeform or rather, how is this not a throwback to manually-cranked hawala. [16:06]
asciilifeform 8th c. state-of-the-art. [16:06]
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punkman yep [16:06]
asciilifeform if i want this, i can go to kandahar. [16:08]
asciilifeform and fuck goats. [16:08]
asciilifeform it is, imho, uninteresting. [16:08]
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asciilifeform or, rather, the folks to whom it is interesting, are already doing it. [16:09]
fluffypony punkman: miners can block whatever they want [16:12]
fluffypony but as to whether they can tell if a transaction is yours, yes, that's something we solve [16:12]
asciilifeform fluffypony: solve how ? [16:13]
asciilifeform and what are the boundary conditions ? [16:13]
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fluffypony asciilifeform: by removing the ability for miners to identify your transaction without, say, compromising your machine [16:18]
asciilifeform this is the claim. [16:23]
asciilifeform but where is the proof ? [16:23]
asciilifeform gimme the theorem. [16:23]
asciilifeform and even if it were so, it does not help bitbet, which ~already~ could 'prevent miners from blocking tx' IF it chose to keep them secret, but pointedly DOES NOT WANT [16:24]
asciilifeform i know of at least 3 'dark coin' schemes, each of dubious cryptographic foundation, for 'nonpublic tx' [16:25]
asciilifeform imho the notion is misguided. existing bitcoin can work this way if one wants it to. but, e.g., bitbet, DOES NOT [16:26]
asciilifeform want to. [16:26]
fluffypony asciilifeform: https://lab.getmonero.org [16:27]
assbot Monero Research Lab - Protecting Your Privacy's Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1UIeHoj ) [16:27]
fluffypony and the original CryptoNote whitepaper: https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf [16:27]
fluffypony proofs are at the end [16:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1UIeKQV ) [16:27]
fluffypony the MRL1, MRL4, and MRL5 papers are most relevant to the more enhancements we've made or are making [16:28]
asciilifeform ring signature just lets you 'one of keys k1,k2,...kn COULD HAVE signed this.' [16:28]
asciilifeform there is nothing magic about it. [16:28]
fluffypony nobody said there was [16:28]
fluffypony but you asked for proofs [16:28]
asciilifeform and does not protect against any serious actor. [16:28]
fluffypony they're in the whitepaper [16:28]
fluffypony stealth addresses provide unlinkability, ring signatures provide untraceability [16:29]
fluffypony definitions of both of those terms are in the whitepaper [16:29]
fluffypony RingCT obscures transaction amounts, that's in MRL5 [16:29]
asciilifeform and if you want to prove that a particular tx was yours ? [16:29]
asciilifeform say, because you want to actually get the thing you were paying for ? [16:29]
fluffypony you have multiple options, the easiest of which is reveal the private key for that transaction [16:30]
asciilifeform ugh [16:30]
fluffypony all it does is allow a recreation of the key images for that transaction in order to verify that you actually created it [16:30]
fluffypony seriously, read the whitepaper [16:30]
fluffypony there's actual maths in it [16:30]
asciilifeform and what does this do to the anonymity of your other transactions ? [16:30]
fluffypony unless you're in the habit of publicly revealing this information for all your transactions it does nothing [16:31]
fluffypony (by nothing I mean its effects are cryptographically negligible) [16:31]
asciilifeform if 'ring signature' means what shamir meant by it, than it is not 'negligible.' [16:32]
asciilifeform srsly i am tired of the crypto abuse. [16:32]
fluffypony dude [16:32]
fluffypony READ THE WHITEPAPER [16:32]
asciilifeform i did. [16:32]
fluffypony really, in 30 seconds? [16:32]
asciilifeform the last time we had this thread ! [16:32]
asciilifeform or what, this is a new one ? [16:32]
asciilifeform with different mechanism ? [16:32]
fluffypony so then you understand that the ring signatures are only on inputs [16:33]
asciilifeform aha [16:33]
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asciilifeform so if you reveal your connection with whatever inputs, you have given non-negligible info to the enemy. [16:33]
fluffypony so if an input appears to come from 20 outputs on the blockchain there is an equiprobable chance that each of those 20 outputs is the real one [16:33]
fluffypony if you reveal it then you reveal which of the outputs was really yours [16:34]
asciilifeform and when those outputs in turn become inputs ? [16:34]
asciilifeform for another tx [16:34]
fluffypony yes - so in any future transaction if you happen to use the same output in a ring then one of those is out [16:34]
asciilifeform and here we get to the boojum. [16:35]
fluffypony but you can blacklist those outputs in your personal capacity [16:35]
asciilifeform and so now i'm stuck having to juggle pots of own coin to maintain this so-called auto anonymity ? [16:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00055365 = 12.9554 BTC [-] {2} [16:35]
fluffypony consider what the chance is of you mixing with an output you've already revealed to an attacker [16:35]
asciilifeform this is the thing about fancy schemes, apparently i'm an evil terrorist for thinking 17 steps ahead instead of the apparently assumed 1 or 2. [16:35]
asciilifeform fluffypony: if i'm, e.g., bitbet, and ROUTINELY reveal outputs, the chance is 100%. [16:36]
fluffypony there's absolutely nothing fancy about this [16:36]
* fluffypony lols [16:36]
fluffypony so there's a bucket of tens of thousands of outputs, and you routinely reveal outputs, so there's a 100% chance you're going to mix with a previously revealed output? [16:37]
asciilifeform as t-->+inf - YES. [16:37]
fluffypony sure [16:38]
asciilifeform ring signature adds an astonishing amount of complexity, for dubious gain. [16:38]
asciilifeform this is my verdict. [16:38]
asciilifeform fwiw. [16:38]
fluffypony so in this one special case you have to maybe blacklist outputs and not mix with them [16:38]
fluffypony for everyone else your special case doesn't apply [16:38]
asciilifeform spoonful of shit in barrel of wine. [16:38]
fluffypony so your argument adds an astonishingly nonsensical case that presents dubious privacy risks [16:38]
fluffypony fin. [16:38]
asciilifeform now there is ~at least one~ special case to think about, whereas before there were none. [16:38]
asciilifeform whole thing is quite reminiscent of tor. [16:39]
asciilifeform where 'no one could possibly break' unless 'special case', which, guess what, reliably happened. [16:39]
asciilifeform because it could. [16:39]
fluffypony ah yes, the asciilifeform "everything is bad except this hardware thing I've been working on for 4 years and still can't finish" argument [16:39]
asciilifeform not even related ? [16:39]
asciilifeform except perhaps in the 'you kicked my puppy so i'll kick yours' sense ? [16:40]
asciilifeform guess what, i have no puppy. [16:40]
* fluffypony chuckles [16:40]
asciilifeform kick to your heart's content. [16:41]
fluffypony I'm not kicking anything, I just find it amusing [16:42]
danielpbarron how was the roundtable, fluffypony ? [16:43]
fluffypony equal parts interesting and frustrating [16:43]
fluffypony mircea_popescu came up a couple of times [16:43]
fluffypony mostly in the context of "we should have invited him to add a voice to this, but I doubt he'd come to the USA" [16:43]
danielpbarron oh it was in the US? where? I thought it was on some island somewhere [16:45]
fluffypony first one was on an island [16:45]
fluffypony this one was in Sandpiper Bay in Florida [16:45]
asciilifeform does fluffypony also go to winemaking conferences in riyadh ? [16:46]
asciilifeform porn-making conf in teheran ? [16:46]
asciilifeform do they also wonder why mircea_popescu won't come. [16:47]
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fluffypony I don't think there was a question of whether or not he would come [16:47]
fluffypony but a question of whether or not he was invited [16:47]
danielpbarron they'd have to make room for his harem [16:47]
* asciilifeform bbl, heard that the ants in the kitchen are having a conference, and wouldn't mind if he attended to 'add his voice' [16:48]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422780 "catastrophically exploded internal organs". [16:50]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 18:50:00; asciilifeform: not blood loss [16:50]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422789 << if this is true, it really takes bitcoin outside of this whole "be your own bank" mental space [16:51]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 18:53:43; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: quite possibly cutting mining apart from transacting was a design error. [16:51]
mircea_popescu large part of the promise and value of bitcoin is exactly this chickenizing of banking. [16:51]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Ethereum to top $1 billion market cap before 2017 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1248/ethereum-to-top-1-billion-market-cap-before/#b20 [16:51]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422803 << yeah, but think abotu the reason the name was sold in the first place. [16:52]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 19:04:44; punkman: I think wot+credit-lines solutions are interesting, sorta like the original ripple before the derps bought the name [16:52]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422820 << well... ideally does not want. [16:53]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 19:23:55; asciilifeform: and even if it were so, it does not help bitbet, which ~already~ could 'prevent miners from blocking tx' IF it chose to keep them secret, but pointedly DOES NOT WANT [16:53]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422868 << you realise that provability and anonimity are in this exact sense contrary desires, you will necessarily be stuck with something like this if you want to at the same time both. [16:55]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 19:34:34; asciilifeform: and so now i'm stuck having to juggle pots of own coin to maintain this so-called auto anonymity ? [16:55]
mircea_popescu this has nothing to do with math, even. it's a given. [16:55]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422881 << so what becomes of the outputs then. blacklisted 4evar ? [17:01]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 19:37:29; fluffypony: so in this one special case you have to maybe blacklist outputs and not mix with them [17:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422884 << well, the privacy risks aren't exactly dubious in that i don't atm see how ring signatures would prevent miner cartel from attacking bitbet. except, of course, if predicated on "miners are lazy and dumb". which is true - until they aren't. much like ants are lazy and dumb, until they get into the fridge, at which point they'll dumbly&lazily never want to leave. [17:03]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 19:38:03; fluffypony: so your argument adds an astonishingly nonsensical case that presents dubious privacy risks [17:03]
ben_vulpes did i miss a fork proposal for july that would nuke miner cartelization, or perhaps even pooled mining? [17:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422900 << let's not flatter ourselves. the odds of mp showing up to "add a voice" to $randomitem are ~nil. [17:04]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 19:43:06; fluffypony: mostly in the context of "we should have invited him to add a voice to this, but I doubt he'd come to the USA" [17:04]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes if you did so did i. [17:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422905 << actually i'd go to that one. [17:05]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 19:45:43; asciilifeform: porn-making conf in teheran ? [17:05]
mircea_popescu but mostly to add some nudity. [17:05]
ben_vulpes i found an antipooling design 'idea' on hackingdistributed [17:05]
ben_vulpes but that's all i've found so far. [17:05]
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mircea_popescu huh ? [17:06]
mircea_popescu you mean http://trilema.com/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol ? [17:07]
assbot The necessary prerequisite for any change to the Bitcoin protocol on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqDUTU ) [17:07]
ben_vulpes nono [17:07]
ben_vulpes http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/06/18/how-to-disincentivize-large-bitcoin-mining-pools/ [17:07]
assbot How to Disincentivize Large Bitcoin Mining Pools ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqDWuQ ) [17:07]
ben_vulpes but yes that too [17:07]
mircea_popescu i'll click later [17:07]
mircea_popescu anwyay, yes, bitcoin is traversing perhaps the first true crisis since its founding, between now and the halving. [17:09]
mircea_popescu a sort of puberty i guess. [17:09]
mircea_popescu ironically, it had absolutely nothing to do with all the derps, in the end. [17:09]
mircea_popescu not with the wanna-be ceos and assorted "captains of industry" ; not with the wanna-be coders and assorted "power rangers" ; not with the wanna-be journos and assorted redditards ; not with the wanna-be sikrit agents and assorted nsa tools. [17:10]
mircea_popescu so many wasted lives, huh. [17:11]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i stopped reading at 'Any good solution in this space must also preserve the large investments many miners have made and are planning to make in their equipment.' and the swimming pool photo (??!) [17:11]
ben_vulpes it aint' great, asciilifeform [17:11]
asciilifeform i want my 10 seconds back. [17:12]
ben_vulpes complain to fluffypony he took what, 3 minutes? [17:12]
asciilifeform ~30 to date. [17:13]
asciilifeform (counting only mine) [17:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00055697 = 9.0508 BTC [+] {4} [17:14]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1422950 << so am i thick, or what did nsa even want if not for mircea_popescu to go long on fiat? [17:16]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 20:10:03; mircea_popescu: not with the wanna-be ceos and assorted "captains of industry" ; not with the wanna-be coders and assorted "power rangers" ; not with the wanna-be journos and assorted redditards ; not with the wanna-be sikrit agents and assorted nsa tools. [17:16]
asciilifeform the enemies of sound money are uncorking champagne today. [17:18]
asciilifeform the escape hatch from toiletpaper weimarworld closes. [17:19]
asciilifeform which is all they want. [17:19]
mircea_popescu yea well. [17:25]
mircea_popescu you hafta understand mp was rich and powerful long before bitcoin. [17:26]
asciilifeform afaik everyone knew this? [17:26]
mircea_popescu so it's not that simple. [17:26]
mircea_popescu but yes, the enemies of sound money are certainly served by bitcoin miner cartelization. doh. [17:27]
mircea_popescu ipso definitio unsound money. [17:27]
asciilifeform mp calls artillery strike on own position. takes cover in bunker. the rest of tmsr - in ???. [17:27]
mircea_popescu again with the effects talk. looky : what'd you have me do, not say anything ? [17:28]
asciilifeform hey if i knew how to fly a dirigible, i'd be flyin. [17:29]
mircea_popescu all through the past 7 years the whole spiel was "[these known vulnerabilities] but the miners would never dare do that because of market reaction". what exactly did you imagine that reaction is built out of ? reddit derping ? [17:29]
mircea_popescu the market reaction is built out of divestment. [17:29]
asciilifeform and anyway i predicted in '13 when first showed up here. [17:29]
asciilifeform so i can l0llate. [17:29]
mircea_popescu and yeah, sure, perhaps the market's not rational enough, and yeah, sure, maybe fed prints more to buy bitcoin. whatevs. [17:30]
mircea_popescu stop worring about what things mean and what may come and so forth, focus on doing the right thing at each juncture i say. [17:30]
mircea_popescu as long as "i did nothing wrong" at each successive point, you'll be a happy dead man. [17:31]
asciilifeform this is given to no one. [17:31]
mircea_popescu what ? [17:32]
asciilifeform 'know i did nothng wrong' [17:32]
mircea_popescu why not ? [17:32]
asciilifeform which is why every old officer wakes up screamng now and then, and recalculates, again and again [17:33]
mircea_popescu this trivially reduces to "usable computer can not be built". which is it. [17:33]
asciilifeform has not been built. [17:33]
mircea_popescu anyway, ftr, re ben_vulpes link (not that i've read it or intend to read random derpage from nobodies on topics) - years ago protecting miner investment made sense as a topic. [17:37]
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asciilifeform aha. when the bees stop making honey, they are no longer valuable livestock, but just annoying vermin. [17:38]
mircea_popescu somethinglikethat. [17:38]
asciilifeform and so - ddt. [17:38]
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asciilifeform the problem is that bees also pollinate. [17:39]
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assbot [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00010096 / 0.000105 (7000 shares, 0.71 BTC) [17:41]
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assbot [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00254491 / 0.00254562 / 0.00254685 (342 shares, 0.87 BTC), 7D: 0.00254491 / 0.00259691 / 0.00262744 (1539 shares, 4.00 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00273559 / 0.00332476 (9614 shares, 26.30 BTC) [17:41]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: yer a bit early for the gotterdammerung. give it time. [17:42]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I'm just trying to figure out how to cover this actual crisis now that Bitcoin has one. [17:43]
asciilifeform this is like asking how to cover meteor. [17:43]
asciilifeform everyone can just look out the window and see the black sky. [17:44]
asciilifeform no need to read. [17:44]
ben_vulpes seveneves! [17:44]
BingoBoingo What? No one literate enough to make code has started prototyping necessary brick chicom hardware fork? [17:45]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: oh how i hated that thing [17:45]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: quite mizerable. [17:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: didja miss all the schelling point threads? [17:45]
BingoBoingo I'm trying to digest how this all relates if the biggest schelling point of Cliter reign follows halving. [17:46]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i read whole thing, and cannot even begin to count the necessary barf buckets. [17:46]
ben_vulpes so cartelization, preservation of extant btc distribution not even desireable. sounds like a new genesis, altcoin, if the prototype is even preserveable? [17:47]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: we had a rusty old boat. it was pathetic and barely floated, but it was a boat. [17:47]
asciilifeform now mircea_popescu opened scuttling valve. [17:47]
asciilifeform which was his privilege. [17:47]
BingoBoingo So, how do we make a better boat on the open sea? [17:48]
asciilifeform nfi. [17:48]
asciilifeform or rather i have quite fi [17:48]
asciilifeform but no resource. [17:48]
BingoBoingo A boat which, in scuttling value we can float new boat in? [17:49]
asciilifeform which is ~same as nfi. [17:49]
asciilifeform no such thing. [17:49]
BingoBoingo Spz adacoin, could not old boat be scuttled into supporting that or? [17:50]
ben_vulpes no time [17:50]
asciilifeform how? [17:50]
BingoBoingo Like the hardfork dilemma. [17:50]
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asciilifeform and mircea_popescu doesn't support things, period. and imho this is reasonable. [17:51]
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BingoBoingo So, are we reverting back to seeing how many benjies we can shove into the bank of arse? [17:52]
asciilifeform so unless BingoBoingo writes adacoin, there is no adacoin. [17:53]
asciilifeform get crackin'. [17:53]
BingoBoingo hmmm.... [17:53]
* BingoBoingo going to clear some brush and think about life. [17:54]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1423034 << that only worked because, in phorkwar, one could sell phork-btc and buy btc, forming an arse-mouth loop. [18:03]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 20:50:12; BingoBoingo: Like the hardfork dilemma. [18:03]
asciilifeform and any btc holder could play. [18:04]
asciilifeform this does not work for alts. [18:04]
asciilifeform (because there is no satisfactory way of bootstrapping any alt.) [18:05]
asciilifeform nor anything to prevent an alt from being bulldozed by ft meade, or beijing, or whoever else can print money and bake silicon. [18:06]
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asciilifeform and, as usual, i have a pill against these boojums, but it is very bitter and i promise that no one will want it. [18:07]
asciilifeform (tldr: hawala over gossipd. an end to the 'anyone is a bank' dream.) [18:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> (because there is no satisfactory way of bootstrapping any alt.) << in principle a ~WELL DESIGNED~ alt with a ~WELL CHOSEN~ pow would work quite well. [18:10]
asciilifeform against the printing press ? [18:10]
mircea_popescu benefits from all the marketing bitcoin did for it, without having to pay (in the shape of entrenched idiots of all stripes) [18:10]
mircea_popescu however, if it is going to be an altcoin, as in, no continuity, then it doesn't matter so much if tomorrow or yest or whenever. [18:11]
asciilifeform printing press throws infinite silicon at it. [18:11]
mircea_popescu printing press does no such thing. never did. [18:11]
mircea_popescu if whatever you're doing is threatened by a government, you're either very stupid or very lazy. [18:11]
BingoBoingo So, how do we well design an alt. [18:12]
asciilifeform and btc cartel is what? [18:12]
mircea_popescu and sure, you can blame the miners. the problem is - the design sort-of forced this endgame upon them. i doubt most of the chinese even understand ~what went wrong~, in the very faint general, letalone in this specific ~what we did wrong~. by the chinese bible they were being very reasonable and i just don't understand how the world works. ach ach my dear fellow mp. [18:13]
mircea_popescu after the unintentional hardfork over the imbecillic high-s thing, this was perhaps inevitable. what are they do to ? [18:13]
asciilifeform now this is true. [18:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btc cartel is a bunch of dudes with some technical ability and no clue generally. [18:14]
asciilifeform the interesting moment will be whe usg hyenas feast on the corpses, [18:14]
asciilifeform of them. [18:14]
mircea_popescu you and your twin anal and usg preoccupations. [18:15]
mircea_popescu have you noticed this ? [18:15]
asciilifeform i'm a prisoner. [18:15]
asciilifeform whaddayawant. [18:15]
asciilifeform zek. [18:15]
mircea_popescu hopefully some hicks from missouri capture you and i can hear all about the ozarks supremacy for a while. [18:16]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [18:16]
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asciilifeform same thing. [18:18]
JuliaTourianski_ the Chinese miners want and like single leadership because chinese. [18:18]
JuliaTourianski_ they will never go against perceived consensus [18:19]
mircea_popescu pity they already did. [18:19]
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JuliaTourianski_ they went against core? [18:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://megalyrics.ru/lyric/vladimir-vysotskii/zk-vasiliev-i-zk-pietrov.htm << oblig re zeks. [18:20]
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mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ no, they went against the consensus. what's core ? [18:20]
BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: They went against the don't be shitheads when 51+% [18:20]
BingoBoingo Further ~80-90 percent of hash all got together and MET!? [18:21]
JuliaTourianski_ oh thats another thing altogether [18:22]
BingoBoingo But the same problem [18:22]
JuliaTourianski_ i was thinking blocksize [18:22]
mircea_popescu stop focusing on teh irrelevant. [18:22]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo imagine someone somewhere thinking this is a good idea. [18:22]
mircea_popescu now imagine what other incredibly dumb shit they imagine is a good idea for crying out loud. [18:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This is why /me leans towards well designed altcoin as solution. Something capable being ada-ified, but perhaps implementable in rougher form. [18:24]
BingoBoingo Becaus ewe can't have a republic without money [18:24]
BingoBoingo At least not without aloha snackbar [18:25]
mircea_popescu "well designed" does not happeb by fiat. [18:25]
JuliaTourianski_ the thing alt coiners don't get is...if btc "fails" alt coins lose all cred. wont get any traction EVEN if perfect [18:25]
BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski_: BTC just failed, now what? [18:25]
BingoBoingo And there's no well designed alts [18:26]
JuliaTourianski_ back to gold [18:26]
JuliaTourianski_ and ur dark place [18:26]
mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski_ nobody wants "the cred" of imbecile redditars & all. [18:26]
mircea_popescu i'd honestly much prefer the situation where "evangelism" never happened. [18:26]
BingoBoingo And now TSA plucks arsecoin out or arsecoin wallet with flashlight [18:26]
asciilifeform if you're talking about gold and you aren't wearing a crown and leading an army -- delusional. [18:27]
mircea_popescu in fact, the lot of them getting burned off is at least as valuable as bricking the idiot chinese miner rigs. [18:27]
JuliaTourianski_ reddit is a pool of people who should never breed [18:27]
JuliaTourianski_ well guys [18:27]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: famine doesn't affect rats and mice. quite the opposite. [18:28]
JuliaTourianski_ jackson palmer said usd will outlive btc so lets all fold our cards. [18:28]
mod6 if this is all correct, then i agree with alf. there is no reason to continue work on trb - we should suspend, indefinately, all efforts therein. At least until somehow we have a re-write that resolves these issues. [18:28]
shinohai T_T [18:28]
mircea_popescu mod6 your call to make, together with ben_vulpes i guess - the point remains, if no trb offering in july, no trb offering in july. [18:29]
BingoBoingo mod6: Well, work on a trb with a new genesis block could be an interesting skeleton for altcoin. It opens the door to flensing far deeper. [18:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: not really. [18:30]
mod6 Why is july a thing? This doesn't make sense. If prb wants to fork a centralized mining protocol, that doesn't make it any less dead. [18:30]
asciilifeform try to undestand the difference between bug and misdesign. [18:30]
mircea_popescu mod6 because more or less then, it'll be a case of "well... what does everyone use ?" [18:31]
mod6 well, everyone who doens't matter. [18:31]
mod6 and that's not good enough. [18:31]
asciilifeform and i admit that i wonder about mpex. [18:31]
mod6 so if derps wanna use centralized mining shitware, they can continue. but i wont, and you wont. [18:32]
mircea_popescu something like that. [18:32]
asciilifeform what does mircea_popescu say to the shareholders? 'enjoy the ride dowd to the ground from 20,000 metres' ? [18:32]
asciilifeform *down [18:32]
mircea_popescu why do you suppose anything has to be said in particular ? i dun follow. [18:33]
shinohai without trb, Bitcoin is basically useless. To me anyway. [18:33]
asciilifeform ^ [18:33]
mircea_popescu if gates switches to euros, what would he say to microshit shareholders ? [18:33]
* BingoBoingo will nevar be able to get an address in another currency as beautiful as 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 again [18:33]
asciilifeform not analogous. [18:33]
mircea_popescu be specific. [18:33]
asciilifeform euros are same as usd. [18:34]
mircea_popescu to you. [18:34]
mircea_popescu to random microshit investor, bitcoin is the same as flooz. [18:34]
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* BingoBoingo thinks MPEx can have important role as market between BlightCoin and Coin during the transition. [18:34]
asciilifeform well yes. [18:34]
asciilifeform and to a bitcoin user, currencies that have to mive physically, or hawalate, are all stone knives. [18:35]
asciilifeform *move [18:35]
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asciilifeform and prop up the state. [18:36]
mircea_popescu well yeah. [18:36]
asciilifeform but to say that mircea_popescu's retreat is of no interest to mpex users, beggars the imagination and melts my brain. [18:38]
asciilifeform but who am i to say. [18:38]
mircea_popescu if it's of interest or not it is their call to make neh ? [18:38]
asciilifeform the spartans can speak for themselves [18:38]
asciilifeform with their swords. [18:38]
asciilifeform aha. [18:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, i suppose it's absolutely obvious and entirely uncontroversial that a bitcoin with cartel-mining is entirely uninteresting to everyone. [18:39]
mircea_popescu not that the philipinos won't be coming out of the underbrush to push the unexpected "just as good" verbiage, or w/e. [18:40]
asciilifeform the cartel was not reliably in control. [18:40]
mircea_popescu hm ? [18:40]
asciilifeform there was, e.g., no usg whitelist. [18:40]
asciilifeform the way there is with visa. [18:40]
mircea_popescu dude wouldja stop with the usg shoehorning ? [18:41]
mircea_popescu the united states of america DO NOT MATTER. [18:41]
mircea_popescu nobody cares. really. honestly. [18:41]
mircea_popescu they have no power, no influence, no impact and no credibility. [18:41]
asciilifeform it is simply the current britain. forget the particular. [18:41]
mircea_popescu it ended, long ago, various 2nd hand leaders a la putin now and again go to kick the once-great, currently ridiculous loser. [18:41]
asciilifeform all fiat is one. [18:42]
mircea_popescu wouldja stop being confusing. [18:42]
asciilifeform lizards print, while others work. that is what fiat is. in roman debased silver, or today. [18:43]
mircea_popescu nobody in the us has done a spot of work in about fifty years. [18:43]
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asciilifeform why work when you can print, aha. [18:44]
mircea_popescu anyway. in my personal scoreboard, this is chalked down as one of those grand disasters of stupidity. exactly in line with an older article of yours, [18:45]
mircea_popescu "these idiots were given an opportunity, and they figured running the rigs as efficiently as possible is everything that may ever matter." [18:45]
mircea_popescu no nefariousness need be involved for people to fuck up grandiosely. [18:45]
asciilifeform and when the time comes and beijing prints, while swedish coolies toil, beijing will be indistinguishable from today's washington. [18:45]
Reydev hey guys is the current discussion still related to the bitbet payout thing discussed some days ago? [18:46]
asciilifeform Reydev: it is. [18:47]
Reydev ok [18:47]
mod6 mircea_popescu: so if your pre-req for change to btc protocol was adopted, and ASICs were rendered useless, how does one begin to attack the problem of mining pools? [18:52]
mircea_popescu ah, that post was made in a happier time, a more innocent time. [18:53]
asciilifeform !s non-outsourceable [18:53]
assbot 11 results for 'non-outsourceable' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=non-outsourceable [18:53]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-08-2015#1251979 [18:53]
assbot Logged on 25-08-2015 18:53:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: workfunctions, there was once some theoretical work concerning 'non-outsourceable puzzles', i.e. mathematical magic preventing the formation of pools by allowing any pool participant to silently and untraceably claim the entire block reward. but i cannot recall if this went anywhere other than academiwankery. [18:53]
mircea_popescu but anyway - there's a substantial difference between the degree of brokedness bitcoin experienced between 2010 and about 2013ish, where imbecile independent miners nevertheless gave their vote blank to "pool" operators (mcuh like idiot shareholders let the various brokers to vote for them) [18:54]
asciilifeform mod6: but remember, this is only a pill against demoooocracy [18:54]
asciilifeform i.e. many small derps pooling [18:54]
mircea_popescu and the degree of brokedness bitcoin experiences now, post-cartelization (an event which we'd more or less date as occuring either in degrees or at some point between the high-s fork and march trhe 3rd) [18:54]
asciilifeform it does nothing against large monolithic derps. [18:54]
mircea_popescu wherein ACTUALY MINERS are centralized, pools are irrelevant. [18:54]
mircea_popescu so : by breaking the capital investment of the current idiots that had the unmitigated audacity to meet and the breathtaking stupidity to not only admit it, but bring it like some sort of value in public, like the mongoloid children proud of his fingerpainting works in his own shit [18:55]
mircea_popescu we at the very least achieve a very useful head of a mongoloid on a stick for the education of future retarded children of (principally) asian mothers, [18:56]
mircea_popescu and hopefully the next crop will have more sense. [18:56]
asciilifeform this ever worked? [18:56]
mircea_popescu for varying definitions of working. [18:57]
asciilifeform in jp there are 1500+ yr old 'tsunami stones'. [18:57]
asciilifeform 'do not build after this line.' [18:57]
asciilifeform and... guess what. [18:57]
mod6 is there anything in anyones opinion that the foundation could do with trb to move past this problem? [18:57]
mircea_popescu this is deeply unclear as of yet. [18:58]
mircea_popescu in general "what to do" has been a foremost topic in everyone's head for days now, i would imagine. [18:58]
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mod6 fair enough. [18:59]
asciilifeform seems like mircea_popescu already decided ? [18:59]
mircea_popescu what ? [18:59]
asciilifeform whattodo. [18:59]
mircea_popescu i have ? [18:59]
asciilifeform sell btc, buy icecream. [18:59]
mircea_popescu well not all of it. [19:00]
JuliaTourianski_ buy dash coin lol [19:00]
asciilifeform am i mistaken? [19:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dawg, portofolios get adjusted all the time in response to market conditions, whadda ya want. [19:00]
JuliaTourianski_ we want ur unshakable faith [19:01]
asciilifeform again spurious analogy. or is mircea_popescu about to explain how tmsr still has a philosophical foundation without sound money. [19:02]
mircea_popescu sound money can at best be a practical foundation. [19:02]
mircea_popescu best i can see both these items sit on the same philosophical foundation. [19:02]
mircea_popescu which, inasmuch as it's philosophical, doesn't really get touched by phenomena. [19:02]
asciilifeform geographically dispersed honest commerce stands on bitcoin, just as dispersed wot stands on publickey crypto. [19:04]
asciilifeform without these things, free world is a dream. [19:04]
mircea_popescu you know - i did geographically dispersed honest commerce long before bitcoin. [19:05]
mircea_popescu without these things ~free world accessible to arbitrary $fortune~ is a dream. [19:05]
mircea_popescu but otherwise... [19:05]
asciilifeform and yes, bitcoin is not a boat, but a plank from broken boat. [19:05]
mircea_popescu why the fuck did you imagine the various items and pillars to build a coherent world-envelloping system come to me so easily ? i'm not coming up with fucking wot-economy and pgp-corporations and all this de novo, i'm just applying to pre-existing items! [19:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: a world where a lizard can print is by no reasonable description 'free'. [19:07]
asciilifeform but fundamentally soviet. [19:07]
mircea_popescu soviet world had it's own free subset ; much like the 1984 world has its free subset. the people running the black market that orwell does not even wish to consider. [19:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00055323 = 1.6597 BTC [-] [19:09]
asciilifeform go buy a working cramershoup on this blackmarket? [19:10]
asciilifeform or a usable computer. [19:10]
mircea_popescu i'm more interested in slavegirls and icecream, but sure. [19:10]
mircea_popescu note that my interest in computers is, these days, ~strictly predicated on trb. [19:11]
asciilifeform there had to be some reason why mircea_popescu even bothered with bitcoin [19:11]
mircea_popescu this particular system, for instance, i've been running for a while now on a half dozen long etc hosts, i don't even notice. [19:11]
asciilifeform given that he already had lifetime icecream [19:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it made sense. but note that it was principally the irc chan that sold me. [19:11]
asciilifeform it seems to me that mircea_popescu does not live by icecream and cunt alone ? [19:12]
mircea_popescu perhaps not spurious to link here http://trilema.com/2013/noob-mp-or-how-it-all-began/ [19:12]
assbot Noob MP, or how it all began on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ygk7qH ) [19:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117400 @ 0.00055266 = 64.8823 BTC [-] {10} [19:13]
* asciilifeform recalls reading this [19:13]
* BingoBoingo notices alf's grieving process skips to simultaneous depression and acceptance [19:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6201 @ 0.0005522 = 3.4242 BTC [-] [19:16]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i have ~0 btc. [19:16]
mircea_popescu rounded to the nearest million ? [19:16]
asciilifeform l0l [19:16]
mircea_popescu (i'm not porposing you have a lot - merely poking fun at the rounding process you prolly use regardless) [19:16]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Anyways you've got warrants in a substantial portion of S.NSA which are convertible to BTC or its successor on MPEx [19:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: will soon be worth fiddycents. [19:18]
asciilifeform i suppose it will buy a resistor. [19:18]
asciilifeform or two. [19:18]
BingoBoingo What, no faith in hawalla over gossipd? or a well-designed altcoin ever happening? [19:19]
asciilifeform not like 100% of my work wasn't funded by bad old usd always. [19:19]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i can't pay rent in anything but usd and don't see this changing. [19:20]
mircea_popescu and in other icecream news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx1956mUMp1qz7dr7o1_1280.jpg [19:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ygl5TQ ) [19:20]
asciilifeform so for me, nothing really changes. [19:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.0005522 = 14.302 BTC [-] {2} [19:21]
asciilifeform except that i have nfi what we're doing with trb. [19:21]
mircea_popescu what do you expect changed with trb ? you weren't doing it to get rich, were you ? you weren't doing it for redditettes to throw their panties at you, were you ? [19:21]
BingoBoingo Alf paid his rent in USD and thusly his life had remained unmanageable [19:21]
mircea_popescu how is feb 5th differfent from march 5th ? there's a pile of shitty code implementing sort-of kinda badly a concept, that's being extracted to light. [19:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i was doing it to help kill hitler. [19:22]
mircea_popescu it had a failure mode that was known forever. so ? [19:22]
mircea_popescu how do you know what you were doing helped kill hitlker and how do you know it doesn't no mo. [19:22]
asciilifeform had nfi. [19:23]
mircea_popescu well therefore argument is invalid ? [19:23]
asciilifeform how? [19:23]
mircea_popescu if you already had nfi, no comparison is possible. [19:23]
asciilifeform was doing the one thing i knew of that might help, i thought, to nail hitler. [19:24]
mircea_popescu and what's changed ? [19:24]
asciilifeform well: [19:24]
asciilifeform for what currency we will sell cardano et al? camels? [19:24]
punkman why not dollars [19:25]
mircea_popescu don't tell me we're in any imminent danger of selling cardanos ?! [19:25]
danielpbarron we can still play Eulora though, right? [19:25]
asciilifeform forget about imminent [19:25]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron sure ? [19:25]
danielpbarron coppers still sound [19:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform then how about you make the thing and once it's made we figure out the marketing plan, [19:25]
mircea_popescu rather than figure the marketing plan before the thing's even vapour. [19:25]
asciilifeform sure. [19:26]
punkman black saturday [19:26]
asciilifeform but was hoping to hear some conjecture as to what this could even look like. [19:26]
mircea_popescu i have no fucking idea what the future looks like. [19:26]
shinohai Well Gentleman, I have certainly enjoyed working with you all on trb from the past ~1 year nonetheless. [19:27]
mod6 we should probably discuss solutions, write a spec of new bitcoin, then implement new bitcoin [19:27]
mircea_popescu mod6 part of the problem here is that [19:27]
mircea_popescu !s perimeter [19:27]
* danielpbarron would have been more surprised if either 1) bitcoin didn't fail or 2) bitcoin didn't become some sort of one world government causing monster of a thing [19:27]
assbot 23 results for 'perimeter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=perimeter [19:27]
mod6 shinohai: o7 [19:27]
asciilifeform punkman: if you want a dollar cardano, call up ft meade and rsa co., they will happily sell it to you today! [19:28]
mircea_popescu i'm not even sure we actually took a single walk around the whole item [19:28]
punkman asciilifeform: I'm assuming cardano could also do 'p' one day [19:28]
punkman you said you need USD for rent, thus my question [19:28]
mircea_popescu ahh where's that dwarves oglaf. [19:29]
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asciilifeform punkman: i have no intention of partaking in dollar anything, beyond what is required to pay my bills, as anon slave. [19:29]
mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/obituator/ [19:29]
assbot The Obituator ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8w27T ) [19:29]
mod6 mircea_popescu: noted. ya, we need to get our heads around this thing. [19:30]
* asciilifeform took 'walk around whoe item.' [19:30]
asciilifeform what of it. [19:30]
mod6 what did you see? [19:30]
asciilifeform oodles of broken? [19:31]
mircea_popescu mod6 even if - and consider i'm speaking of a purely cartoon view of reality, merely for illustration purposes - even if trbf "misses the boat" and instead dilligently focuses on fixing satoshi code, and three years later the "winner" of july competition falls on sword that trbf actually fouind and fixed, the relative position of trbf in the world has not suffered one iota. [19:31]
asciilifeform i think i described a good bit of it here. [19:31]
mircea_popescu so there's really no call for dramatics, in my own mind. gotta do all the work one can as well as one can and see what tomorrow brings. [19:31]
asciilifeform l0l fixing satoshi [19:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform big difference between "me" and "we" in this point. [19:32]
asciilifeform medicine for corpse. [19:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: fairnuff [19:32]
mod6 hmm [19:33]
mircea_popescu in other the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/3e98e7c55649dc7423de0eb26630625a/tumblr_mihjrzicaj1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg [19:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1YgmYQr ) [19:33]
asciilifeform but every computer user knows that a bad schelling point can take generations to dislodge. [19:33]
mod6 windows 10 [19:34]
asciilifeform even microshit is not yet gone. [19:34]
mircea_popescu well - i thought you didn't like the father pistols, and shouldn't you be thankful this one's dislodging ? [19:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now we have no pistol, just bare hands. [19:34]
mircea_popescu omaigerd. what the fuck did you expect was going to happen. [19:34]
mircea_popescu engineering consistently presents management with two options : a) either shit takes forever or b) well now there's no pistol. [19:34]
asciilifeform ~this. [19:34]
mircea_popescu of fucking course ? do it faster next time ? what ? either you take shorter than there's time or longer. tnd. [19:35]
asciilifeform except i admit that i only expected 'this' to happen after cia murdered mircea_popescu and took his coin... [19:36]
mircea_popescu lol that'd be pretty sad. [19:36]
mod6 srsly [19:36]
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mod6 i need a soda. [19:37]
asciilifeform what's sad is also that the observables from my console are only with great difficulty distinguishable from above scenario. [19:37]
mircea_popescu o.O [19:37]
mircea_popescu what, seriously ? [19:37]
asciilifeform well mircea_popescu , what do you think they would do? [19:38]
asciilifeform ~not~ slowly sell it? [19:38]
mircea_popescu i have nfi. my money'd be on something stupid, really. [19:38]
asciilifeform such as? [19:38]
mircea_popescu i dunno... trade it for ethereum. support what's the fatass' name, with the "consensus" bullcrap ? huey something ? [19:40]
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asciilifeform and trading for usd is better? [19:44]
mircea_popescu looky : i said divesting, and you're not going to obtain clarification or further infos about it no matter how it gets turned around. [19:44]
asciilifeform wasn't asking for. [19:45]
asciilifeform besides the manometer speaks for itself. [19:45]
mircea_popescu well maybe not deliberately, but yes. [19:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu does know what it is called when a king divests, though. [19:47]
mircea_popescu what ? [19:48]
asciilifeform abdication? [19:48]
mircea_popescu eh for crying out loud. so what, i can only buy, in your model ? or not even ? [19:48]
asciilifeform nah mircea_popescu is doing precisely the logical thing. [19:48]
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asciilifeform which i am trying to derive the implications of. [19:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278490 @ 0.00055084 = 153.4034 BTC [-] {16} [19:50]
asciilifeform one of which seems to me, to be the conclusion that anyone with btc is bagholder. [19:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 208821 @ 0.00054647 = 114.1144 BTC [-] {11} [19:51]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1423335 << it begins? [19:51]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 22:49:51; assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278490 @ 0.00055084 = 153.4034 BTC [-] {16} [19:51]
mircea_popescu well yes, in principle anyone left holding "a very slow, unreliable and expensive visa run by idiots" is definitionally a bagholder. [19:53]
mircea_popescu this of course has ~nothing to do with me. [19:53]
asciilifeform does mircea_popescu know the 'blue eyes puzzle' ? [19:54]
mircea_popescu howssat ? [19:54]
asciilifeform old lulzy maths riddle [19:54]
assbot [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10000 @ 0.00020901 = 2.0901 BTC [+] {2} [19:54]
asciilifeform ;;google blue eyes suicide [19:54]
gribble Across Five Aprils - Blue Eyed Suicide - YouTube: ; across five aprils-blue eyed suicide - YouTube: ; ACROSS FIVE APRILS LYRICS - Blue Eyed Suicide - PLyrics.com: [19:54]
asciilifeform Hm [19:55]
asciilifeform http://puzzling.stackexchange.com/a/28196 [19:55]
assbot The origin of the blue eyes puzzle - Puzzling Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8x1Fd ) [19:55]
BingoBoingo https://xkcd.com/solution.html [19:55]
assbot Blue Eyes - The Hardest Logic Puzzle in the World - Solution ... ( http://bit.ly/1L8x4kj ) [19:55]
asciilifeform ^ closest to the version i was taught. [19:56]
asciilifeform (by - believe or not - brin the elder) [19:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i prefer the sultanic one, with the dead chx, moar. [19:57]
BingoBoingo lol [19:57]
punkman ;;ticker --market all [19:57]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 402.55, vol: 16883.73896565 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 405.499, vol: 9116.71013 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 400.97, vol: 45936.99430123 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 421.99, vol: 3.36559647 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 411.737739, vol: 63957.52380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 397.02, vol: 4962.96713209 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 399.92364, vol: 189.31492388 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [19:57]
BingoBoingo ;;more punkman [19:57]
gribble 406.194456093 [19:57]
asciilifeform ^ hitler must be buyin'. [19:57]
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asciilifeform so yes, sultan only told the cuckolds what they already knew...! [19:58]
asciilifeform brin's version had h cuckolds grow horns, which only ~other blokes~ could see. [20:00]
asciilifeform imho more elegant. [20:00]
asciilifeform but logically == to the linked ver. [20:00]
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deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.13729319 BTC on 'Yes' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b128 [20:07]
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mircea_popescu ah the recursive "it must be me too then" [20:15]
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mircea_popescu !up CrazyTruthYakDDS [20:23]
-assbot- You voiced CrazyTruthYakDDS for 30 minutes. [20:23]
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CrazyTruthYakDDS thanks; was seeing if you had anything on your blog about ETH; seems like major pump and dump to me [20:24]
CrazyTruthYakDDS what i saw was portrait of an adult woman :) [20:24]
mircea_popescu ;;google site:trilema.com eth [20:27]
gribble The importance of backups, from the other side. on Trilema - A blog ...: [20:27]
mircea_popescu apparently not ? o.O [20:28]
mircea_popescu anyway, yes, major pump and dump. it's in the logs if not on trilema./ [20:28]
CrazyTruthYakDDS oh the logs, forgot about those duh :P [20:28]
CrazyTruthYakDDS just find it hilarious everyone is screaming ETH and that BTC is dead [20:29]
CrazyTruthYakDDS since oh you can't use the blockchain for coffee purchase [20:29]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2016#1423367 << aha! in brin's ver, it was a traveller, who didnt like the food, and before packing up, spitefully shouts 'hey guyz! some of you have horns!' [20:29]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2016 23:14:46; mircea_popescu: ah the recursive "it must be me too then" [20:29]
asciilifeform CrazyTruthYakDDS: see also: [20:30]
asciilifeform !s waterfall [20:30]
assbot 116 results for 'waterfall' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=waterfall [20:30]
CrazyTruthYakDDS ty i will look; i feel ETH is play for some BTC holders to pump and dump to more BTC :) [20:33]
kakobrekla i shorted eth at 0.0295 [20:34]
CrazyTruthYakDDS in 3 months, eth has gone from 30m to close to a billion [20:37]
CrazyTruthYakDDS and the only real "value" people have pushed is that microsoft azure is using it as an api [20:37]
CrazyTruthYakDDS which is meaningless, i am sure microsoft also has api tools to work with BTC as well [20:38]
CrazyTruthYakDDS hell, factom is better, as it is at least taking advantage of the BTC blockchain/security if i am not mistaken [20:38]
CrazyTruthYakDDS sort of like counterparty did [20:38]
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shinohai ;;blocks [20:47]
gribble 401337 [20:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23999 @ 0.00055509 = 13.3216 BTC [+] {4} [21:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7698 @ 0.00055658 = 4.2846 BTC [+] {3} [21:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00055728 = 9.5016 BTC [+] {3} [21:47]
deedbot- [Qntra] Leaked Voicemails Show Donald Trump-Clinton Cozy With Liberal Media - http://qntra.net/2016/03/leaked-voicemails-show-donald-trump-clinton-cozy-with-liberal-media/ [21:51]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb [21:56]
gribble BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2647.0, vol: 61059.34960000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2647.0 [21:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.0005537 = 12.7905 BTC [-] {2} [22:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16009 @ 0.00055391 = 8.8675 BTC [+] {3} [22:14]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "The anger of the base directed at anything: socialism, political correctness, brown people, etc; which they feel is giving them an unfair shake. This demographic also carries a substantial number of people among them who have traits that make them readily victimized for con artists." missing a verb, no idea what's going on at the end and prolly 50% too many words [23:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17749 @ 0.00055717 = 9.8892 BTC [-] [23:12]
mircea_popescu "the word "collectible" is attached the coins" << samne problem. good idea but the writing... [23:12]
mircea_popescu "The failure of the GOP and the conservative movement, to the extent one exists in the United States, to police their ranks for con artists like Glenn Beck out to fleece their rank has lead to this." // "The success of sympathy conmen like Glenn Beck or Donald Trump enjoy fleecing the angry-socialist flock makes one wonder whether the GOP even exists in any meaningful sense." [23:15]
asciilifeform zhirinovsky. [23:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00055711 = 23.0086 BTC [-] {2} [23:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29472 @ 0.00055701 = 16.4162 BTC [-] [23:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4076 @ 0.0005537 = 2.2569 BTC [-] {2} [23:32]
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mircea_popescu !h [23:40]
assbot http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot [23:40]
* asciilifeform all ears for ideas re: on what to blow a modest (~10kusd) worth of coin while it is still worth something. [23:45]
shinohai Send me some. I'll blow it for you :D [23:45]
mircea_popescu eulora copper! :D [23:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i dun play. [23:46]
mircea_popescu not like there's all that much ELSE to do with bitcoin anyway [23:46]
asciilifeform well no shit, if this were an easy problem, i'd say nothing. [23:46]
mircea_popescu myeah. [23:46]
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asciilifeform the one thing i pointedly won't do with it is give it to usg. [23:46]
mircea_popescu then there really isn't anything besides ecu. [23:47]
asciilifeform what's an ecu [23:47]
mircea_popescu eulora copper. [23:48]
mircea_popescu isn't it clever ? ECu. see ? cause Cu is copper. [23:48]
asciilifeform aha neato. [23:48]
mircea_popescu and e stands for eulora. but could also be like in email. [23:48]
mircea_popescu it's very clever i think. [23:48]
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mircea_popescu !gettrust artizan [23:53]
assbot artizan is not registered in WoT. [23:53]
mircea_popescu !gettrust artizan [23:56]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user artizan: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=artizan | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/artizan/ [23:56]
mircea_popescu !rate artizan 1 Euloran [23:56]
assbot Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/45c2985efb552b6a [23:56]
mircea_popescu !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.artizan.1:2e61c9028b68fdb12bbd0e1e5e0c1f076aa4f82140e58aad9c03e4344929e4e7 [23:56]
assbot Successfully added a rating of 1 for artizan with note: Euloran [23:56]
asciilifeform wonder if that plane ticket thing is still around. [23:59]
asciilifeform (though it isn't as if i have anywhere to go to.) [23:59]
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