Forum logs for 05 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform thinking too much is fine, for as long as it's mere spinning, and never productive.	[00:01]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller prolly best to imgmagik it into a png or jp << Actually used imagemagick 20 minutes ago assembling a document package for qntra post in progress	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	god help the man that a) thinks ; b) gets a result and c) expects the system to CHANGE to accomodate HIS result.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	the system changes for no man and even less than that for mere thoughts.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	exactly why the system must be trampled underfoot.	[00:02]
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thestringpuller	the graph is interactive via js, dumping to img will take that interactivity away. but if that's "best" yea you could run it and dump out raw svg elements that aren't interactive.	[00:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i can't even assume that 'medcom' is really representative of the rest of the american army.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	can it be interactive via html5 then ?	[00:03]
decimation	mircea_popescu: people who think (the phrase in the us is 'change the system from the inside') are generally beaten down and otherwised smashed by the system	[00:04]
thestringpuller	the	[00:05]
thestringpuller	i guess for "noscript users" it can precompile to SVG's and they can just stare at it and imagine it being interactive	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	can't hurt to degrade	[00:06]
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decimation	I think moldbug captured the picture well: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#782110 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2014#782111	[00:06]
assbot	Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:13; decimation: "(I actually have great sympathy for the professional. In a bureaucratic oligarchy like ours, the professional both rules and is ruled. At the top, there is no one on top of him. Yet he cannot change his mind. He would simply be replaced. There are always younger, more eager professionals. Sovereignty is conserved; it is always humans who rule; and yet, it seems that no one rules.	[00:06]
assbot	Logged on 02-08-2014 20:55:15; decimation: stand there, and look like a captain. Chicks dig it. And yes, sir, it sure does pay.)"	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	heh	[00:06]
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mircea_popescu	a) what chicks and b) what pay.	[00:06]
decimation	well, see your post	[00:06]
decimation	apparently while you are on a hopeless mission in the desert you can email that 'socialite'	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather email a goat.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	and the unmitigated impudence of these "journalist" shitheads ...	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	tell you what, the fact that he can't round up gawker, atlantic, wp and anyone else who ever wrote his name in print and shoot the lot	[00:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: b) they're all reasonably loaded (for a clerk) a) they're generally old enough, not necessarily for impotence, but to mostly lack interest.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	is enough reason to make his profession -ev for a man of ability and intellect.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the notion that old men are not inclined to fuck and the notion that poor people are content with poverty are both nonsense of the first degree.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	if he could get a better cunt he would,	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	and if he could get two he would get two.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	it's not like she's some sort of anais nin, this woman.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	she's readily replaceable with a wooden valet.	[00:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: impudence... he can't round up... and shoot the lot << remember michael hastings ?	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	(and by the way : kardashian ? WAY better model for any 16 yo girl than this levy sandsack)	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	dude, that's not how this goes.	[00:10]
asciilifeform	http://whowhatwhy.org/2013/07/14/the-michael-hastings-wreck-video-evidence-offers-a-few-clues << for n00bz	[00:11]
assbot	Video: Journalist Murdered? - WhoWhatWhy ... ( http://bit.ly/16r6Vta )	[00:11]
asciilifeform	^ article picked more or less at random	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	if the question can be asked, it's not in your camp.	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	no dude. send your aide de camp to drag a naked victim behind his horse all the way to your gate and nail them there.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	that's what i mean.	[00:12]
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mircea_popescu	not bs cockless "oh, maybe they spiked his car, maybe they cut his glass stool and he spilled wine on his good tie'	[00:12]
asciilifeform	and general has this prerogative today where? in zimbabwe?	[00:12]
asciilifeform	possibly gaddafi was the last.	[00:13]
asciilifeform	or at least, last until sanity comes back to the planet.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	i do not care where.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	without it, the pay is not good enough.	[00:14]
decimation	even he gave up that prerogative in exchange for friendship with usg, that turned out to not serve him very well	[00:14]
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asciilifeform	the pay is not good enough << can't disagree	[00:15]
asciilifeform	imagine having to put up with the company of the whole muppet pyramid.	[00:16]
asciilifeform	above and below.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	let amanda hess go conquer baghdad the 50th time	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	i'll be sure to tweet criticisms of her accessories as she does it.	[00:16]
asciilifeform	in other news,	[00:17]
asciilifeform	277777.	[00:17]
decimation	re: muppet pyramid: actually gen. stanley mccrystal (whom michael hastings interviewed) pretty much 'gave up' because of the muppet pyramid above	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah well... it's always wise to give up on libertardism when one is 20	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	rather than 50, with 30 years worthless except for that camp's whims.	[00:19]
decimation	hey he went to afghanistan and annoyed some pederasts	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	completely unrelated, "Poe's outlook is at best a wild romanticism and at worst is not far from being insane in the literal clinical sense. Why is it, then that stories like The Black Cat, The Tell-tale Heart, The Fall of the House of Usher and so forth, which might very nearly have been written by a lunatic, do not convey a feeling of falsity?"	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	not a bad question.	[00:20]
asciilifeform	afaik, the generals (and bulk of the war machine) aren't into liberasty as such. they're 'only following orders' (TM)	[00:20]
asciilifeform	i.e. 'it's a job'	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and how much must your enemy pay you for you to love him ?	[00:20]
decimation	asciilifeform: more than likely they were promoted because they looked especially good with their hand on the captain's wheel	[00:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: do not convey a feeling of falsity << ahahaha. i'm nearing the end of what must be my 5th rereading of mr o's complete output.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	such patience.	[00:22]
coderwill	do you all things will be more or less the same they are now, geopolitically in the next 5 years, or do you all think they will change drastically?	[00:22]
coderwill	think things*	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	seems dubious the us still has five years left in it.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	perhaps.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	the eu, idem.	[00:22]
asciilifeform	coderwill: why do you ask ?	[00:22]
coderwill	asciilifeform: i stopped reading the news because it is so negative	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	he hibernates five years at a time and would like to know if to drink some coffee.	[00:23]
coderwill	i used to worry a lot about what was going to happen in the world, but the things that are happening make no sense	[00:25]
decimation	http://www.wired.com/2015/02/fcc-chairman-wheeler-net-neutrality/ << lol "The phone network’s openness did not happen by accident, but by FCC rule. How we precisely deliver that kind of openness for America’s broadband networks has been the subject of a debate over the last several months. "	[00:25]
assbot	FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler: This Is How We Will Ensure Net Neutrality \| WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOjkYW )	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	coderwill as chance would have it, im reading a bit of orwell discussing exactly the same.	[00:26]
coderwill	mircea_popescu: interesting - i'm not sure if it will be similar to orwell, but i just bought a book this afternoon called "the third policeman"	[00:26]
asciilifeform	'It is as though in the space of ten years we had slid back into the Stone Age. Human types supposedly extinct for centuries, the dancing dervish, the robber chieftain, the Grand Inquisitor, have suddenly reappeared, not as inmates of lunatic asylums, but as the masters of the world.'	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part12 chapter iii if you feel like it.	[00:26]
asciilifeform	('notes on the way')	[00:26]
assbot	Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOjsYw )	[00:26]
coderwill	cool thanks for the link	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	extinct eh ?	[00:27]
asciilifeform	supposedly-extinct.	[00:27]
asciilifeform	^ was really mr o's puzzlement at the failure of own mental model, rather than statement of fact	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	"While I have been writing this essay another European war has broken out. It will either last several years and tear Western civilization to pieces, or it will end inconclusively and prepare the way for yet another war which will do the job once and for all."	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	pretty excellent seeing how it's ww2 he's talking about.	[00:28]
coderwill	mircea_popescu: it's really interesting that his sentiment was that it is either going to be this one or the next one that does us all in	[00:29]
lobbes	mircea_popescu: seems dubious the us still has five years left in it. << would you not agree that it is already dead? A decomposing body still sticks around for some time. Where is the line of 'no longer left'?	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	lobbes well i can agree wiht that, but apparently he doesn't, so when talking to him i'll pretend like perhaps it hasn't.	[00:30]
decimation	http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "The parts he likes makes sense and the others are crazy; what do you do? Here's the problem with public officials--because that's really his audience--deciding to ignore the Constitution. If you are the President, if you are a member of Congress, if you are a TSA agent, the only reason why somebody should listen to what you say instead of horse-whipping you out of town	[00:32]
decimation	for your impertinence is because you exercise power via the Constitution. If the Constitution doesn't count, you don't have any legitimate power. You are a thief, a brigand, an officiant busybody, somebody who should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail for trying to exercise power you don't possess. So, if you are going to--if we are going to start ignoring the Constitution, I'm fine with that; the first part I'm	[00:32]
assbot	" + soundfiledesc + " ... ( http://bit.ly/16rc58y )	[00:32]
decimation	going to start ignoring is I have to do whatever they say."	[00:32]
asciilifeform	decimation: in practice they 'sit on the bayonets'	[00:33]
asciilifeform	not a piece of parchment.	[00:33]
asciilifeform	as the 'sovereign citizen' crackpots reliably discover	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	decimation quite exactly the trunk that my earlier "half a milion people shoot half a million cops".	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	no constitution ? then quo warranto ? bang-bang.	[00:34]
asciilifeform	(the folks who like to walk into a court waving a copy of american constitution)	[00:34]
decimation	well that crazy guy in pennsylvania tried that, didn't get very far	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so then shoot them.,	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	the only reasonable answer in that context.	[00:34]
decimation	!up Vexual	[00:35]
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coderwill	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olduvai_theory	[00:36]
assbot	Olduvai theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/16rd1de )	[00:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: a little more complicated than this. just like quite a few folks who have never drawn a proper 'federal' paycheque are really members of usg, quite a few folks (tens of millions) in usa are in fact 'policemen' though they do not know it	[00:36]
coderwill	A few years ago I read a white paper about this thing called the Olduvai Theory.	[00:36]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/02/04/angela_ames_sex_discrimination_case_breast_feeding_mom_loses_because_men.html	[00:36]
assbot	Angela Ames sex discrimination case: Breast-feeding mom loses because men can lactate too. ... ( http://bit.ly/16rda0b )	[00:37]
asciilifeform	for instance, the petty criminals who are nurtured and catch-and-released to terrorize the white suburbanites	[00:37]
asciilifeform	(to keep real estate bezzle heated up)	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	i have my doubts about that theory.	[00:37]
coderwill	Essentially, it states that due to population growth and the rate of consumption, and that at some point in the future it will be mathematically implausible for the world to meet the consumption demand.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	coderwill what demand ?	[00:38]
asciilifeform	you'd need an old-fashioned, 1918-style multi-sided (5+) civil war to turn usa into something thermodynamically stable	[00:38]
coderwill	Food, fresh water, energy	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	people seem manifestly capable of living without food.	[00:39]
coderwill	mircea_popescu: yes, but collectively it ends in geopolitical turmoil, it seems	[00:39]
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PeterL	coderwill: that assumes constant population growth	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	anyway, scanning that page it seems that a) it's more of the usual american retardation, ala http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ as it simply rebrands a collection of old shit	[00:40]
assbot	Anonymous derpage pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/16re3pG )	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	and b) wtf 2bn. i don't want to consider a 2bn end scenario. what's wrong with 10 million ?	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	i've not even met one million people yet i'd ever wish to meet again, wtf billions.	[00:41]
coderwill	well, hopefully no one will get hurt anywhere, it's awful the state of the world	[00:41]
coderwill	not many people trying to help one another, more so many serving their own interests despite one another	[00:41]
coderwill	hence why i stopped reading the news	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	hopefully no one will get hurt ?!	[00:43]
coderwill	the mass media pushes a divisive agenda, whatever causes the most polarization makes the most profit	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	no baby, hopefully everyone will get hurt	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	and to such a degree they kill their children with their own hands, at that.	[00:43]
coderwill	?	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	!	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	check us out, brincusi discussing things with hegel.	[00:44]
asciilifeform	here, let me help:	[00:45]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2015#964345	[00:45]
assbot	Logged on 04-01-2015 01:02:05; mircea_popescu: apparently kids crying are annoying in general, but for that month it takes them to die of hunger...	[00:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62250 @ 0.00037661 = 23.444 BTC [-] {2}	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	ten million is plenty.	[00:46]
asciilifeform	that'd be roughly... 3000 b.c. ?	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	something like that. reroll homer.	[00:50]
asciilifeform	while we're at it, i'd like there to be a maximum of six mosquitoes.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	!s tolerate bugs	[00:52]
assbot	3 results for 'tolerate bugs' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tolerate+bugs	[00:52]
lobbes	coderwill: there will always be turmoil. The best thing you can do is look out for your own interests.	[00:52]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2014#650478	[00:52]
assbot	Logged on 29-04-2014 22:56:06; asciilifeform: 'Dijkstra said angrily. (He’d been visibly shaking his head through out the talk even before this outburst.) “How many bugs are we going to tolerate?” he demanded. “Seven,” Teitelman shot back.'	[00:52]
lobbes	asciilifeform: can we apply that to wasps, for that matter?	[00:53]
asciilifeform	etc.	[00:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: atrocious OCR! 'They hand us now in Shrewsbury jail' << hang.	[00:55]
*	asciilifeform has the dead tree, or would've been a bit puzzled	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform Uke Miller was a pretty good one too	[00:55]
*	asciilifeform wonders what else crept in	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	tons. most are -> arc	[00:56]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the biggest downer of 'djvu' wavelet compressor is that it... actually introduces typos like this (!)	[00:57]
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asciilifeform	a 'c' is quite similar to an 'e' after all, esp. if the press was running a little hot that day	[00:57]
asciilifeform	hence - compressed.	[00:57]
asciilifeform	(introduces into images!)	[00:57]
PeterL	I have a couple of ebooks with typos like that	[00:57]
asciilifeform	PeterL: that'd be bad ocr	[00:58]
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asciilifeform	i'm speaking of the reverse, something which no engl. speaker has likely ever seen	[00:58]
PeterL	EG game of thrones, I still don't know if the character's name is Jojen or joien, since it shows up with about equal amounts of each spelling?	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	yup	[00:59]
asciilifeform	PeterL: the former	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	you actually read that thing ?	[01:00]
asciilifeform	tried to, once.	[01:00]
PeterL	I thought it was great	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	o really ?	[01:00]
PeterL	it seems like something you would like?	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	im too snobbish even for sf	[01:01]
asciilifeform	atrociously written thing	[01:01]
asciilifeform	but, oddly enough, tolerable film.	[01:01]
PeterL	in the way of people do what they want and rape each other and kill anybody in their way, etc	[01:01]
asciilifeform	quite the opposite of the usual way around	[01:01]
asciilifeform	!up Vexual	[01:02]
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Vexual	black sails is back	[01:02]
Vexual	'hoes and money and violence an polotx	[01:03]
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Vexual	i guess it's gonna try explain the battle for control of nassau	[01:05]
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phillipsjk	mircea_popescu, cooperation is common in nature. Even without submission/domination. Examples include Geese taking turns leading migrations, alarm signals (sometimes seen as altruistic), herd/school protection.	[01:10]
phillipsjk	What is rare/non-existent is altruism, which is what I assume you meant here: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2015#1006655	[01:11]
assbot	Logged on 04-02-2015 19:39:56; mircea_popescu: submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	which of these examples is "without submission/domination" ?	[01:11]
phillipsjk	Did you understand the examples?	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	that's not a question that can be answered.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	but it would seem to me that even should i decide to take turns with the woman as to who's on top, this does not automatically preclude us from enjoying a D/s relationship.	[01:14]
phillipsjk	Well, with the goose example, the lead bird has to work extra hard to fly through the air. By taking turns, the "leader" does not have to drope dead half-way.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	tho perhaps some observer may think he understood the example better than the geese	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[01:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169450 @ 0.00038236 = 64.7909 BTC [+] {2}	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	and to complete your headspin : there is no altruism, either ever seen or in principle possible, outside of a domination/submission relationship.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	by its very definition, no less. to give, someone has to take.	[01:17]
phillipsjk	You seem to be claiming that hierarchy always forms in groups of animals. Therefore, any non-hierarchical behavior noted just reflects the observer's bias.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	whosoever takes will take in the manner that it is given, and there you have your submission.	[01:17]
trinque	phillipsjk: have you ever seen geese up close?	[01:18]
trinque	they fight each other and establish dominance ongoingly	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	phillipsjk quite.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	!b 8	[01:18]
trinque	yup	[01:18]
assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EPHQGT.txt )	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	somehow they think women are also geese.	[01:18]
asciilifeform	geese are pestilentially common here.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	will try to get them in line, and whatnot.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform throughout eastern canada too, or at least were.	[01:19]
decimation	I saw a goose trying to cross an interstate once; it caused a feather explosion	[01:19]
asciilifeform	they like to cross roads, slowly, single file, and - given their lengthy 'runway' - one might imagine that they would occasionally get flattened. but i have yet to see this.	[01:19]
decimation	they are actually a fairly significant object to hit at high speed	[01:21]
asciilifeform	decimation: as per the famous 'frozen turkey test' at airplane factories.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	can be a decent 20-30kgs sure.	[01:21]
phillipsjk	Um It is my understanding that the turkey is supposed to be thawed for the test.	[01:22]
asciilifeform	thawed << would make sense	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	well it's engineering... if they test with it still frozen	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	stronger airplane.	[01:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'тяжело в учении легко в бою'	[01:24]
asciilifeform	(bonus: throw that in 'google images')	[01:24]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: .bait	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	yup	[01:24]
ben_vulpes	(sil vous plait)	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	lol i got nuttin	[01:24]
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decimation	re: stronger airplane << can be a problem - what if you want the engine to shut down?	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	http://demotivators.to/media/posters/726/5720776_tyazhelo-v-uchenii-legko-v-boyu.jpg << here, stan's.	[01:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I5AMJ0 )	[01:25]
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asciilifeform	http://demotivators.to/media/posters/726/5720776_tyazhelo-v-uchenii-legko-v-boyu.jpg	[01:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I5AMZr )	[01:25]
asciilifeform	lol!	[01:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu 'inb4'	[01:25]
asciilifeform	http://anekdotov.net/pic/photo6/0744110i.jpg	[01:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I5ATV0 )	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	anekdotov sounds like a great name	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	i'd make him ambassador to the us.	[01:26]
asciilifeform	approx. translation for n00bs - 'the more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in war.'	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	"train hard - fight easy"	[01:26]
asciilifeform	aha.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	im a great believer in the principle myself.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	all the way to making the girls do the cucumbers.	[01:27]
phillipsjk	source of my last comment: http://www.snopes.com/science/cannon.asp	[01:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I5BOol )	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot of lulz on that topic.	[01:30]
Vexual	thfe	[01:30]
coderwill	altruism in nature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWH_9VRWn8Y	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	like the us borrowed a uk gun, and then trying to understand why the damage was so bad asked the english	[01:30]
assbot	Penguin, Depressed... Werner Herzog - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5CqdG )	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	who told them to thaw the chickens	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	etc etc	[01:30]
Vexual	push dont pull	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	that looks like a dude. scam.	[01:31]
Vexual	ts not even a thing	[01:31]
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Vexual	flocculant	[01:32]
asciilifeform	'what color is is? Just bought a plane and would like to know whats in it.'	[01:32]
asciilifeform	-- from an 'amazon' review.	[01:32]
Vexual	lol	[01:33]
BingoBoingo	!up diatonic	[01:33]
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phillipsjk	mircea_popescu, you called it :"The way the Air Force had it figured, if a canopy could survive an impact with a frozen bird, it would certainly live through a chance introduction to one that could still fly under its own power. They further believed cold chickens provided a better simulation of a bird that had tensed to prepare for the impact. "	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	lucky guess.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	in any case : so called "altruistic" behaviour as perceived by humans in animals is nonsense of a prime order even afore all these discussions. soemthing in the line discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/	[01:37]
assbot	Peripateticists, kinda, except girls not boys, bare cunt instead of toga and walking around the house not the garden, but otherwise exactly the same. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5E92I )	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	"You're thinking of animals based not on interaction with animals, but on interactions with human depictions of animals. Such as animals drawn by a person in a book, "animal" cartoon characters made to resemble people, people in animal plush costumes and so forth. All of this creates in you the false but deep seated impression that animals are residually a sort of people. This is not true. Animals are not at all a sort	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	of people with different characteristics. Animals are animals. It's a thing into itself, not some anthropomorphized cuteness. Fundamentally, we could present the problem in saying that you're a furry."	[01:37]
BingoBoingo	scoopbot: -fetch	[01:37]
asciilifeform	why not obsess over 'altruism' of cells in a multicellular organism ?	[01:38]
asciilifeform	wtf is the thread even about	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform basically, this thread is about new guy trying to make sense of the batshit insane that is b-a.	[01:38]
asciilifeform	lol	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	can't say i dislike his approach.	[01:39]
decimation	what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria?	[01:39]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/02/muckrock-dea-documents-show-parallel-construction-widely-used/	[01:39]
assbot	MuckRock: DEA Documents Show Parallel Construction Widely Used \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5EEK1 )	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	decimation but it's being held captive ?	[01:39]
decimation	it likes to submit to its betters	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	well... biggers, at any case.	[01:40]
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trinque	almost done rsyncing my wad o blocks to the server; when I come back in a bit imma publish the first bundle	[01:40]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007275 << https://github.com/adlai/scalpl	[01:40]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2015 02:44:25; coderwill: anyone working on any new projects?	[01:40]
assbot	adlai/scalpl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5EX7I )	[01:40]
trinque	might've taken a while but the end result isn't a piece of shit	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[01:41]
BingoBoingo	what about the 'altruism' of mitocondria? << It's not altruistic. It is lazy and wants to be fed with minimum effort.	[01:41]
decimation	re: python < so I was comparing guido von rossum and linus torvalds today, found a good quote on hacker news https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8772325	[01:42]
assbot	GvR fading away would help but not cure the problem he started, i.e Python desig... \| Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5FmHh )	[01:42]
asciilifeform	re: qntra article 'parallel construction' >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770468	[01:42]
assbot	Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no, it just wants to go on doing what it's best at!	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	pure us capitalims i tell ya	[01:43]
decimation	comparing guido and linus, one finds guido did all the wrong moves	[01:43]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Hence the PNGs of the pages and the hashes.	[01:44]
decimation	whatever life python has left is primarily driven by usg academic types	[01:44]
decimation	who use it as a license-free matlab (numpy)	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	decimation except ruby came to peak and then withered before python managed to get a new major version out :D	[01:44]
asciilifeform	decimation: python is widely used as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	^	[01:44]
decimation	guido has managed to completely ignore this set in exchange for creating some random dangly bits that no one cares about	[01:44]
*	asciilifeform uses it in that and only that capacity	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	i actually use it on occasion, when bash is gnarly.	[01:44]
asciilifeform	aha. exactly this	[01:45]
decimation	guido could have delivered a better 'non-perl' instead of derping with stupid shit	[01:45]
BingoBoingo	substitute for perl, substitute for matlab, and all of this on version 2. Version 3 is a hostile hardfork.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	decimation other people's could haves you know...	[01:45]
decimation	BingoBoingo: yeah that's precisely my point	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that was the lulziest thing ever. "we'll break with 2.x but still have 1.x issues"	[01:46]
BingoBoingo	I guess even the scientific stuff though is just acaderps prefering python to perl	[01:46]
decimation	all the 'web developers' have already moved on to node.js or whatever crazy shit of the day	[01:46]
decimation	so guido has no audience other than the one that he is trying hard to ignore	[01:47]
BingoBoingo	He doesn't really have an audience anyway. Python 2.x is fine	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	yeah, what IS the web crowd doing these days ?	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	Well, fine for being a perl substitute	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	i think node.js was like 2011	[01:48]
decimation	I donno, they are probably selling each other software as a service as a service	[01:49]
BingoBoingo	It's still node.js and iterations on that theme.	[01:49]
BingoBoingo	!s ryanxcharles	[01:49]
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mircea_popescu	i think it's ripe for a revolution then	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	it takes them ~3 y.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	actually julia sounds very interesting, have we discussed yet ?	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	this would be the first compiler brave enough to expose itself to programmer scrutiny thus	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	supposedly faster than c	[01:53]
decimation	huh. interesting	[01:56]
decimation	uses 1 based arrays though :(	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Julia is generally aimed in the direction of scientific computing crowd.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	ianae.	[01:57]
decimation	1-based arrays are a matlabism, which got it from fortran	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	so they are.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	still, this is like the first thing i've seen in nigh on 20 years making me almost feel like trying to code in it.	[01:58]
*	adlai wonders whether mircea_popescu has heard of lisp	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	!s lisp	[02:01]
assbot	487 results for 'lisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	perforce.	[02:01]
adlai	:P	[02:01]
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adlai	specifically referring to things like http://www.sbcl.org/1.0/manual/Statistical-Profiler.html#Statistical-Profiler C-f 'disassembler'	[02:02]
assbot	Statistical Profiler - SBCL 1.0 User Manual ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5LejL )	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	im {un/}fortunate to be in this position where thje actual business end of my mental life can in no manner by done by machines. so lisp is entirely useless to me.	[02:02]
adlai	!up Vexual	[02:02]
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mircea_popescu	the sorts of tediums i have machines do is generally seen as closest to c	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	practically, closer to bash for that matter.	[02:03]
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mircea_popescu	adlai what about the profiler ?	[02:04]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007633 + sampling data	[02:05]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2015 04:48:10; mircea_popescu: You can see the compiled assembly code for any just typed in function	[02:05]
Vexual	all business	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	well obviously profilers exist. just, people seem sorta shy to put the bytestream in your face so.	[02:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: adlai is correct, any decent modern commonlisp gives you asm/disasm	[02:08]
asciilifeform	sbcl doesn't even -include- an interpreter.	[02:08]
asciilifeform	(and doesn't need one)	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	i never said otherwise!	[02:09]
asciilifeform	* (disassemble '(lambda (x) (+ x 3)))	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; disassembly for (LAMBDA (X))	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 059DF529: 488B55F8 MOV RDX, [RBP-8] ; no-arg-parsing entry point	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 2D: BF06000000 MOV EDI, 6	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 32: 4C8D1C25E0010020 LEA R11, [#x200001E0] ; GENERIC-+	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 3A: 41FFD3 CALL R11	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 3D: 480F42E3 CMOVB RSP, RBX	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 41: 488BE5 MOV RSP, RBP	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 44: F8 CLC	[02:10]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU6lQGbr_SU	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 45: 5D POP RBP	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 46: C3 RET	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 47: CC0A BREAK 10 ; error trap	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 49: 02 BYTE #X02	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 4A: 18 BYTE #X18 ; INVALID-ARG-COUNT-ERROR	[02:10]
asciilifeform	; 4B: 54 BYTE #X54 ; RCX	[02:10]
asciilifeform	NIL	[02:10]
asciilifeform	^ example	[02:10]
asciilifeform	(amd64, for the very unalert reader)	[02:10]
decimation	lol @ vexual	[02:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112120 @ 0.00037463 = 42.0035 BTC [-] {2}	[02:11]
Vexual	such interjection	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that asm code breaks on https << unknown instruction	[02:11]
asciilifeform	lol!	[02:12]
asciilifeform	Vexual wins again.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	incidentally this is a shitty asm!	[02:12]
asciilifeform	* (defun foo (x) (declare (fixnum x)) (declare (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0))) (+ x 3))	[02:14]
asciilifeform	FOO	[02:14]
asciilifeform	* (disassemble 'foo)	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; disassembly for FOO	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; 059E2CC2: 488D4203 LEA RAX, [RDX+3] ; no-arg-parsing entry point	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; C6: 486BD002 IMUL RDX, RAX, 2	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; CA: 710E JNO L0	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; CC: 488BD0 MOV RDX, RAX	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; CF: 4C8D1C25D0050020 LEA R11, [#x200005D0] ; ALLOC-SIGNED-BIGNUM-IN-RDX	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; D7: 41FFD3 CALL R11	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; DA: L0: 488BE5 MOV RSP, RBP	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; DD: F8 CLC	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; DE: 5D POP RBP	[02:14]
asciilifeform	; DF: C3 RET	[02:14]
asciilifeform	NIL	[02:14]
asciilifeform	^ here we've pulled the safety out.	[02:14]
ben_vulpes	groovy jams Vexual	[02:14]
asciilifeform	this gives us around 80-95% of 'c' speed	[02:14]
asciilifeform	(in typical case)	[02:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 1) it's a disasm 2) you won't see what you're almost certainly expecting to see (add rax, 3...) , because lispy memory architecture is still in use	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	moar like the evil one's used to	[02:16]
asciilifeform	i won't say this is the world's best illustration, but it took no more than half a minute to generate.	[02:17]
asciilifeform	perhaps adlai would care to offer a neater one.	[02:17]
Vexual	thanks ben_vulpes	[02:18]
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ben_vulpes	!gettrust assbot Vexual	[02:18]
assbot	Vexual is not registered in WoT.	[02:18]
ben_vulpes	;;gettrust assbot Vexual	[02:19]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual \| Rated since: never	[02:19]
Vexual	fuck off cnt	[02:19]
ben_vulpes	first citizen of -assets	[02:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69580 @ 0.0003735 = 25.9881 BTC [-]	[02:19]
ben_vulpes	up yours, buddhi	[02:19]
decimation	I am retiring gentlemen, have a good evening	[02:19]
decimation	!down decimation	[02:20]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the original point wasn't that there don't exist profilers, but that it's rare for a language to put the bytecode in the programmer's face, and especially for a new and (at least in my perception) hip one.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	you'd normally expect the opposite	[02:20]
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asciilifeform	lol, 'java' barfed bytecode routinely (on debug)	[02:20]
asciilifeform	!up gabriel_laddel	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	wasn't this improved out of it ?	[02:20]
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gabriel_laddel	ty	[02:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: was	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	kinda my point.	[02:21]
ben_vulpes	good evening gabriel_laddel!	[02:21]
gabriel_laddel	regarding the preceding discussion on asm, common lisp vs. julia vs. C, the book Let over Lambda is quite good and discusses these and related issues in-depth.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	an' tbh it wasn't much more than a passing remark anyway, so we've made more of it than its frail back can carry	[02:22]
*	asciilifeform read 'let over lambda', was not terribly thrilled	[02:22]
gabriel_laddel	ben_vulpes: Hello. How is life treating you?	[02:22]
asciilifeform	that book had possibly the spammiest jacket, for reasonably sane subject matter, of any crackpot self-pub work ever printed.	[02:23]
*	asciilifeform blows dust off LOL	[02:23]
asciilifeform	'only the top percentile of programmers... if you can understand this book, you are in the top...'	[02:23]
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gabriel_laddel	asciilifeform: lol. The idea of a closure doesn't need to be stretched out across several chapters, but e.g., the cl-ppcre chapter is good for the non-lisper to read.	[02:24]
ben_vulpes	gabriel_laddel: i yet yearn for the day i dual boot os x and a lispy gentoo	[02:24]
gabriel_laddel	ben_vulpes: I'm currently counting lines of algol and fixing up the dashboard	[02:24]
adlai	http://paste.lisp.org/+34DL	[02:24]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I5SQTm )	[02:24]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os	[02:24]
*	ben_vulpes resists temptation to troll alf	[02:24]
ben_vulpes	i know, i know.	[02:25]
gabriel_laddel	ben_vulpes: can you run gentoo on your macbook?	[02:25]
ben_vulpes	but that which gabriel_laddel described was a damned siren song for a boy who grew up on os x.	[02:25]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: laugh, but that's actually what i used mine for	[02:25]
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Vexual	powerpc?	[02:26]
ben_vulpes	gabriel_laddel: for a gentoo like what you describe, i'd go through the headaches of dual booting.	[02:26]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: why not sbcl on gentoo?	[02:26]
asciilifeform	on strange iron?	[02:26]
ben_vulpes	forgive me, but is it all not strange?	[02:26]
ben_vulpes	i'm entirely naive to quirks of the underlying chips.	[02:27]
asciilifeform	anyone even has suspend-to-ram working on linux-on-apple ?	[02:27]
asciilifeform	gpu?	[02:27]
asciilifeform	the demented 'broadcom' wireless nics?	[02:27]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: okay okay!	[02:28]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLJx0qoiNs	[02:28]
ben_vulpes	what do you mean by "strange iron", though?	[02:28]
asciilifeform	actually for all i know, they might	[02:28]
asciilifeform	it was long ago that i last tried.	[02:28]
asciilifeform	strange iron being, say, that very same 'air' (circa '09)	[02:28]
asciilifeform	as in 'that which few have gentood before'	[02:29]
Vexual	yah mean safari?	[02:29]
ben_vulpes	is the point to run sbcl on "strange iron"?	[02:29]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i somehow got the impression that you were considering gentoo-on-applehw	[02:29]
gabriel_laddel	that is what he's considering.	[02:29]
ben_vulpes	myeah, but i think i missed a leap in your reasoning.	[02:29]
Vexual	do tell	[02:30]
asciilifeform	describing the gotchas from the last time i personally tried this.	[02:30]
ben_vulpes	ah.	[02:30]
asciilifeform	not necessarily current.	[02:30]
ben_vulpes	ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os << so as to say "why bother with gentoo?"?	[02:31]
asciilifeform	in case ben_vulpes wants to play with it on one of his existing stock macs	[02:31]
ben_vulpes	i'm using sbcl for stump, now that we mention it	[02:32]
mod6	ok all, not getting much of anywhere with debugging.	[02:32]
asciilifeform	on what?	[02:32]
asciilifeform	(stump on mac?!?)	[02:32]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: :D	[02:33]
asciilifeform	lol!	[02:33]
asciilifeform	this actually works as expected ?	[02:33]
ben_vulpes	why so amuse?	[02:33]
ben_vulpes	well	[02:33]
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ben_vulpes	"as expected"	[02:33]
asciilifeform	or only within a running x11	[02:33]
ben_vulpes	!up Vexual	[02:33]
*	assbot gives voice to Vexual	[02:33]
ben_vulpes	mas tracks sil vous plait Vexual	[02:33]
Vexual	oui	[02:34]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: only within x11	[02:34]
Vexual	yah long bit	[02:34]
asciilifeform	ah then	[02:34]
*	asciilifeform was about to be surprised	[02:34]
mod6	i've basically run and break when nBestHeight=167999 and then go from there, but not turning anything meaningful up yet. however, i'm sure i'm not sure how to dig into these vectors properly yet.	[02:34]
ben_vulpes	why would one bother with the native cruftery?	[02:34]
mod6	i'll carry on tomorrow. im like X_X at this point.	[02:35]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i can't help but wonder how many folks carry around 'mac' as just a unix box with a very peculiar set of window decorations	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	here asciilifeform : "I never read the proclamations of generals before battle, the speeches of Führers and prime ministers, the solidarity songs of public schools and left-wing political parties, national anthems, Temperance tracts, papal encyclicals and sermons against gambling and contraception, without seeming to hear in the background a chorus of raspberries from all the millions of common men to whom these high	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	sentiments make no appeal. Nevertheless the high sentiments always win in the end, leaders who offer blood, toil, tears and sweat always get more out of their followers than those who offer safety and a good time. When it comes to the pinch, human beings are heroic. Women face childbed and the scrubbing brush, revolutionaries keep their mouths shut in the torture chamber, battleships go down with their guns still firin	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	g when their decks are awash. It is only that the other element in man, the lazy, cowardly, debt-bilking adulterer who is inside all of us, can never be suppressed altogether and needs a hearing occasionally."	[02:35]
asciilifeform	guessing - quite a few	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	a damned sight more optimistic than you, this pessimist	[02:36]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i did burn in excess of two days attempting to get either a firefox or chrome to connect to x under os x	[02:36]
ben_vulpes	net result?	[02:36]
ben_vulpes	total failure.	[02:36]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOLJx0qoiNs	[02:36]
ben_vulpes	Vexual: stale.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes the idea with the native cruftery is, he found a reliable way to wedge the bitcoind at a certain heright which just so happens to be the checkpoint	[02:37]
Vexual	penis you	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	but no one else ever ehard of this, and so we wish to see his block	[02:37]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i'll have to compile it meself, apparently.	[02:37]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i assume you built them for x11	[02:37]
asciilifeform	or ^	[02:37]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: where did you get them?!	[02:37]
ben_vulpes	mno, i am a nixy pleb	[02:37]
Vexual	liar	[02:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually this very wedge (though differing tx id) has been documented in the past. see last night's log.	[02:38]
ben_vulpes	while it must surprise everyone here, the fact that i am a process man who's only barely grasped the basics of nix operation bears trotting out on a regular* basis apparently	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	well is it the same ?	[02:38]
asciilifeform	but afaik no one posted a meaningful dumped block	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	right.	[02:39]
mod6	how can i do that?	[02:39]
mod6	need guidence	[02:39]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: if you were trying to get $proggy built for apple's gui to draw on an x11 instance, i regret to inform you that this won't work...	[02:39]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: your lessons come too late, sir!	[02:40]
asciilifeform	http://geekotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/image37.png << these do work	[02:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Xxg5 )	[02:40]
ben_vulpes	instead, instruct me on the arcane art of dumping specific blocks from a bitcoind 0.5.3	[02:40]
asciilifeform	http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/img/idekiller.jpg << as do these	[02:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1I5XzVc )	[02:40]
Vexual	053 becomes a thing	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	if the worst comes to worst diff blk00x.dat pre and post	[02:41]
asciilifeform	^	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	also blkindex.dat	[02:42]
ben_vulpes	tips on running for precisely a single block?	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	there should also be a bdb based method but it probably would take longer to untangle	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes have a logwatcher trigger ? renice everyything ?	[02:43]
mod6	during debugging, i did see something that mentioned "blk%04d.dat" when looking at the txout.scriptPubKey vector: http://dpaste.com/1E4QQ9A	[02:43]
assbot	dpaste: 1E4QQ9A ... ( http://bit.ly/1I5Yp4d )	[02:43]
mod6	think that's the one to check?	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 they become full at 2gb	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	whichever's not 2gb is the one you're working on	[02:44]
mod6	(This was from inside where it does VerifySignature())	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway, that's all for me. nighty!	[02:45]
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asciilifeform	282547.	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	like 5k over a day ?	[12:33]
jurov	https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/epel-formula insanity. this recipe properly downloads and checksums a gpg key for epel repository, and then happily uses another one	[12:35]
assbot	saltstack-formulas/epel-formula · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D20CJg )	[12:35]
jurov	like, no one looked at it before?	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	jurov o.O ?!	[12:35]
asciilifeform	Many Eyes (TM) !11!	[12:36]
PeterL	well now somebody found it, many eyes worked	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	i dunno of any "profession" "industree" etc ever in history of mankind to be so fucking... i don't even know. inconsistent ? mixed ?	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	not even medicine. not even religion.	[12:37]
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mircea_popescu	PeterL i hope for the sake of your soul that you're being kako-level sarcastic.	[12:37]
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PeterL	the profession of prostitute includes alot of fucking ...	[12:38]
jurov	PeterL: yes I found it..after half year	[12:38]
jurov	er.. one and half year	[12:38]
PeterL	I think I forgot my sarcasm tag somewhere	[12:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28768 @ 0.00038366 = 11.0371 BTC [-]	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	sarcasm tag's one history!	[12:38]
mircea_popescu	computers are evil, there's no two ways about it.	[12:39]
jurov	#devops at one's own peril	[12:39]
mircea_popescu	http://www.tennessean.com/story/insession/2015/02/03/swingers-club-council/22813945/	[12:40]
assbot	Swingers club adds councilwoman's picture to website ... ( http://bit.ly/1D21tK3 )	[12:40]
punkman	swinger's club next to christian school campus, synergy!	[12:42]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[12:42]
mircea_popescu	"christisn school campus" wtf is that even	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	place for a bunch of derps to go and be all weird and pretend it's jesus' fault amirite.	[12:43]
punkman	http://goodpasture.org/	[12:43]
assbot	Goodpasture Christian School \| "Building confidence, intellectual growth, and spiritual strength." ... ( http://bit.ly/1D223at )	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker. the cheek.	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	haha check out the almost-mscomic font.	[12:44]
punkman	running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far	[12:45]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D22jX3 )	[12:45]
mircea_popescu	To see the cast list for Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the attatchment.	[12:45]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[12:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91900 @ 0.00038267 = 35.1674 BTC [-] {2}	[12:46]
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mircea_popescu	!up Rippleflip_	[12:48]
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-BigBitz-	!up Rippleflip_ you'll like this.	[12:48]
-BigBitz-	Yes!	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	!up BigBitz	[12:48]
Rippleflip_	hello	[12:48]
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mircea_popescu	i up noobs anyway ya know.	[12:48]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu opportunity of a lifetime coming up.	[12:48]
Rippleflip_	i have been forwarded here from #bitcoin-otc	[12:48]
Rippleflip_	we run stellarflip.com and rippleflip.com and are possibly selling these services	[12:49]
PeterL	who is we?	[12:49]
Rippleflip_	our team. read more from https://stellarflip.com/sale.txt	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	ripp, lef and lip	[12:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D233eO )	[12:49]
BigBitz	1250BTC. Cheap.	[12:50]
chetty	how does one person typing use 'we' unless of course its a royal we	[12:50]
Rippleflip_	bitbet.us is valued at 2000 BTC	[12:50]
Rippleflip_	sorry chetty for my language	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	market-valued.	[12:50]
Rippleflip_	yes	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	you know, kinda different story.	[12:50]
Rippleflip_	yes, i see.	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	so what do these do, exactly ? some sort of coin flip thing ?	[12:51]
Rippleflip_	yes. gambling.	[12:51]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu gambling for Stellar and Ripple.	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	and limited to ripple and "stellar", ie, two dead scamcoins ?	[12:51]
Rippleflip_	we have much indonesian speaking players	[12:51]
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Rippleflip_	mircea_popescu: yes.	[12:51]
BigBitz	scamcoin 101.	[12:51]
BigBitz	pump. dump. run.	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	that's cool, but wh ydo you think the site's worth something in bitcoin ? neither ripple nor stellars are worth anything in bitcoin	[12:51]
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mircea_popescu	how about 1250 ripples ? or 1250 stellars ?	[12:52]
Rippleflip_	mircea_popescu: we're open to offers but 1,250 BTC sounds reasonable to us.	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	let me guess, it would roughly repay what you think the valuable value of your time spent on it so far	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	plus perhaps a little something for the missus ?	[12:52]
BigBitz	Rippleflip_ I did offer 25 Doge.	[12:52]
Rippleflip_	mircea_popescu: i don't know. we set the price on the low end compared to other gambling site valuations	[12:53]
Rippleflip_	bitbet.us has been played significantly less than ours, yet it's valued at 2000	[12:53]
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jurov	Rippleflip_: the valuations include the bankroll. but you are keeping the bankroll i presume	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	how do you figure significantly less ?!	[12:54]
jurov	and selling only code/domain	[12:54]
PeterL	do you have a report on monthly income produced over the past year?	[12:54]
Rippleflip_	jurov: the bankrolls we have are quite small	[12:54]
Rippleflip_	mircea_popescu: wagers per time	[12:54]
Rippleflip_	or just wagers.	[12:54]
mircea_popescu	nonono. wagers-time.	[12:54]
Rippleflip_	do your research please	[12:54]
danielpbarron	!b 10	[12:54]
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mircea_popescu	if someone puts 1 btc for 1 year on bitbet, and someone puts 1000 ripples for 10 seconds on your site,	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	you got 10k ripple seconds and bitbet got 31536000 bitcoin-seconds	[12:55]
Rippleflip_	mircea_popescu: i meant stellarflip.com itself has been wagering more in 6 months than for example, bitbet all-time	[12:55]
mircea_popescu	see above.	[12:55]
punkman	8million STR total profit = 134 BTC	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	ah now i see his logic. so	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 2000 / 21340 * 134	[12:58]
gribble	12.5585754452	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	that's whence the 1250 comes from	[12:58]
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mircea_popescu	can you even sell 10mn "stellar" without ruining the market permanently ?	[12:58]
Rippleflip_	yes	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	where does it even trade these days ?	[12:59]
Rippleflip_	i assume it is possible.	[12:59]
thestringpuller	so why is this channel only boppin' when a nigga gotta put in work?	[12:59]
punkman	3,595,158,975 stellars available now	[12:59]
BigBitz	'assume' do your research, please.	[12:59]
Rippleflip_	poloniex.com at least. and inside network	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	well of coruse you'd assume, no doub on that socre.	[12:59]
thestringpuller	and not when you know I'm in a meeting trying to kill time.	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	oh inside network ?! nobody i know would touch it. inside of what ? got its own wot ?	[12:59]
Rippleflip_	mircea_popescu: you have to verify everything,, there is no point if i tell you	[12:59]
Rippleflip_	for serious inquiries please email us.	[13:00]
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mircea_popescu	is stellar xmr ?	[13:00]
Rippleflip_	or pm here, both work.	[13:00]
Rippleflip_	no	[13:00]
BigBitz	selling 10M STR would destroy their market.	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	a no str	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	STR 0.00001654 63.358 -2.88 Stellar	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	STR 0.00387111 0.080 +0.10 Stellar	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	so according to poloniex, 10 cents worth of stellar (at 0.004) and 64 bitcoins' worth of same (at 0.00whatever) sold in the past what is this, day ?	[13:02]
Rippleflip_	looks like that	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	seems it only exists to trade xmr this thing, since https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_str styill spends 90% of the page listing the xmr market. weird.	[13:03]
assbot	Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1D25fmt )	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony is this poloniex thing your folks' ?	[13:03]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: no	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	where is the official place to trade monero ?	[13:03]
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fluffypony	that has the most liquidity	[13:03]
fluffypony	hitbtc is most probably a scam so I'd avoid that	[13:03]
mircea_popescu	"24hr Volume: 646.141 BTC / 195.554 XMR / 2838.69 XUSD" nuts.	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	if this liquidity is natural i'll eat my hat. for one thing, the people interested in alts are interested in alts specifically because they're bitcoin poor. to propose to me that they are 100x more likely to trade btc than usd seems beyond counterintuitive.	[13:05]
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fluffypony	there's a shitload of liquidity in alts	[13:06]
fluffypony	because it's a circle of scams	[13:06]
fluffypony	scammers scamming scammers	[13:06]
mircea_popescu	well, web people love that "hyip" thing	[13:07]
fluffypony	they make hundreds of BTC on one scam, then lose half of it to another scam the next day	[13:07]
fluffypony	yeah they do	[13:07]
fluffypony	that's why PoS is a "thing"	[13:07]
fluffypony	the new altcoin PoS scam is "hyperinflation"	[13:07]
fluffypony	they had MMXIV with 2014% staking	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	kinda what the web even exists these days. for people like mako to be all fucking weird (they call it "altrusitic" of course - http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/the-institute-for-cultural-diplomacy-and-wikipedia )	[13:07]
assbot	The Institute for Cultural Diplomacy and Wikipedia \| copyrighteous ... ( http://bit.ly/1D264vz )	[13:07]
fluffypony	and now some 10 000% staking coin	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	and for other people to be all like "I MAKE MONEY WHILE YOIU SLEEP!!11"	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	what is this staking ?	[13:08]
fluffypony	you basically just have to have the wallet open	[13:08]
fluffypony	and then your coins add to the "stake weight"	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	wow, realsolid's idea ?	[13:08]
fluffypony	so no mining, just wallets "staking" and earning "interest" for it	[13:08]
fluffypony	no, PeerCoin	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	nah, this was solidcoin	[13:09]
fluffypony	Sunny King or whatever his name is	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	if you look, throughout 2011/12 some mentally deficient dank clone spent his time producing prose (not so different from the gavincoin crapolade) professionally explaining how bitcoin is obsolete	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	and now solidcoin is here to stay!!1	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	then artforz found it had a hole, and then it changed to having 12 magic nodes with 10 mn "unspendable" coins each	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	which then got spent.	[13:10]
fluffypony	ok not sure about SolidCoin, but PeerCoin's whitepaper is from August 2012	[13:10]
fluffypony	it may have been influenced by ideas RealScammer had	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	pretty sure realsolid was the first altscammer.	[13:10]
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fluffypony	PPCoin wasn't meant to be a scam	[13:11]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: freicoin is PoS	[13:11]
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fluffypony	I think King and Nadal genuinely wanted to find an alternative to PoS	[13:11]
fluffypony	agh, to PoW I mean	[13:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75308 @ 0.00039026 = 29.3897 BTC [+] {2}	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63957.0 << ancient stuff.	[13:12]
assbot	Do YOU want RealSolid to be lead developer( of solidcoin)? ... ( http://bit.ly/1D26Rgc )	[13:12]
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mircea_popescu	well there's a difference between wanting and trying things out you know. i also want to find a cure for cancer, but i'm not going around feeding people pills.	[13:12]
the_scourge	fluffypony: there was a post about possible PoS vulnerabilities written by Vitalik. for what his opinion is worth	[13:13]
fluffypony	the_scourge: PoS is not a terrible idea, it just doesn't work	[13:13]
the_scourge	fluffypony: you may very well be right. what are the top reasons why not?	[13:13]
fluffypony	the_scourge: Vitalik's approach to solving anything is to layer complexity on top, his Delegated PoS thing is just ugh	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	^	[13:14]
the_scourge	'cause reasons like 'keeping it anonymous AND democratic' don't fly for me anymore. butterin is worried about democracy or whatever, i'm past that point	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty much the "us academia" solution to everything. "make it more complicated, people won't notice"	[13:14]
the_scourge	:D	[13:14]
the_scourge	the freicoin solution is shockingly simple. my mind appreciates that :D	[13:15]
thestringpuller	Is ethereum not dead yet?	[13:15]
fluffypony	the_scourge: Poelstra's write-up is normally my go-to when PoS comes up in convo: https://download.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alts.pdf	[13:15]
the_scourge	put a fork in it	[13:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D27mqo )	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	pretty much born out of their poverty years, each academic spent some time going "well if i think of it really complicatedly, i won't be so hungry anymore and those won't really be cockroaches"	[13:15]
the_scourge	fluffypony: thanks	[13:15]
fluffypony	he updates it regularly	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	he upgrades a pdf regularly ?	[13:15]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: this reminds me of conversation we had of Grad students being pimped out.	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller you'll have to link a logline.	[13:16]
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Rippleflip_	PeterL: no. it's also worth nothing if we make it. potential buyer has to do the research. we can of course give you data	[13:16]
thestringpuller	Yay markov chains!	[13:16]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah, he has it in git if you want to step back to previous versions	[13:16]
fluffypony	6.4 is the section where he rips PoS a new one	[13:16]
PeterL	Rippleflip_: what's worth nothing?	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	you know the guy ?	[13:16]
Rippleflip_	PeterL: the info we give to you.	[13:16]
PeterL	where else would info come from?	[13:17]
Rippleflip_	PeterL: it is all 100% verifiable from public ledger	[13:17]
Rippleflip_	the ledger.	[13:17]
the_scourge	fluffypony: is apoelstra his github account?	[13:17]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: he's attached to the Monero Research Lab as one of the MRL Friends, so he's participated in some of the Schnorr signature multi-sig discussions we've had	[13:17]
Rippleflip_	well, a bit over 20000 unique players, over 1,5 million usd wagered (possibly over 2 million with bitcoin value being higher in the past)	[13:18]
fluffypony	the_scourge: yes	[13:18]
the_scourge	fluffypony: i'm intruiged by his ideas and would like to subscribe to his newsletter	[13:18]
Rippleflip_	been operating with the same engine for over 1.5 years	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	https://github.com/apoelstra << lol at kanzure	[13:18]
assbot	apoelstra (Andrew Poelstra) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1D27Z3u )	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	srsly, "Textual enumeration of incentives related to Bitcoin software." ?!	[13:19]
fluffypony	the_scourge: he doesn't have a newsletter	[13:19]
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the_scourge	:(	[13:19]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell kanzure saw your enumeration incentives thing. lolz were had.	[13:19]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:19]
the_scourge	fuck another canadian expat. we are fucking awesome	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	Rippleflip_ you know, the only moral here is that spending 1.5 years outside of the wot essentially cost you 1250 btc	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	or w/e chance at that you might have built over the 1.5 years in question.	[13:20]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: is that incentives whitepaper actualy kanzure ?	[13:20]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-12-2014#951402	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	the_scourge i would imagine so, and if not i'll soon find out.	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	!up Rippleflip_	[13:21]
-assbot-	You voiced Rippleflip_ for 30 minutes.	[13:21]
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Rippleflip_	thanks	[13:21]
Rippleflip_	mircea_popescu: we will of course use escrow with the buyer	[13:21]
Rippleflip_	so i do not see it essential to being in the WoT	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	heh mkay.	[13:21]
Rippleflip_	#bitcoin-otc laughed at the pricing of 1,250. is it really too much?	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony got a link to the actual github in question ?	[13:22]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I already told him that when he joined -otc nearly two hours ago	[13:22]
fluffypony	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wxtZcttv	[13:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D28tq5 )	[13:22]
Rippleflip_	fluffypony: told me what?	[13:22]
*	the_scourge is reading whitepapers but would like to pause and say that maybe alf is right, intelligence and creativity are orthoganal to complexity	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	Rippleflip_ to put it plainly : someone who does not see being in wot as esential can not possible have yet done anything whatsoever worth any amount at all, in crypto.	[13:22]
Rippleflip_	mircea_popescu: i do have wot...	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust Rippleflip_	[13:23]
assbot	Rippleflip_ is not registered in WoT.	[13:23]
Rippleflip_	look without _	[13:23]
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fluffypony	!gettrust Rippleflip	[13:23]
assbot	Rippleflip is not registered in WoT.	[13:23]
fluffypony	guess not	[13:23]
thestringpuller	LOL	[13:23]
Rippleflip	try DaleC	[13:23]
Rippleflip	...	[13:23]
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thestringpuller	!gettrust assbot DaleC	[13:24]
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fluffypony	!gettrust DaleC	[13:24]
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mircea_popescu	;;google Tim Swanson site:trilema.com	[13:24]
gribble	No, you don't have something to say on the topic. pe Trilema - Un ...: ; The thorny problem of violence, or the miracle of the talking ass. pe ...: ; The witch hunt pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)	[13:24]
fluffypony	sorry Daley	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	Rippleflip tom swanson famously argued the same stuff, from perhaps a better position than you'll find yourself in.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	actually was it tim. yeah it was tim.	[13:25]
Rippleflip	alright	[13:25]
Rippleflip	anyway, over 1 year in wot already :)	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	so now : take that website, give it away or whatever, go to read the logs for the next year or so.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	after which, come back, do something useful with your time, that'll actually be worth money.	[13:25]
Rippleflip	thanks for your advice.	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	cheerios.	[13:26]
thestringpuller	he didn't even charge you Rippleflip	[13:26]
thestringpuller	What a nice guy!	[13:26]
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the_scourge	would this be a good time to talk about how the mud pie fallacy is VERY apropos :)	[13:27]
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the_scourge	i actually wish there was a marxist around to make it. at this very instant. < speaking of making things insanely complex	[13:27]
fluffypony	lol the_scourge	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	the_scourge myeah. http://trilema.com/2009/capitalism-si-naivitate/ << romanians have the same problem, if it helps anything.	[13:28]
assbot	Capitalism si naivitate. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D29nDf )	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	in any case it indicates it's a fallacy older than feudalism.	[13:28]
the_scourge	well it's true. my dad was smart enough to say shit like 'it doesn't matter how hard your working if the thing you're working on is useless', and yet today the highest academics actually think that this universal gnon rule can be broken because they invented more complexity?	[13:29]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: will google translate do that justice?	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	it is more a function of people being removed from the means of production than anything. no living thing will ever accept its pointlessness. as such, cargo cults and mud pies everywhere.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	the_scourge from experience, not even human translation by billingual hands do my prose justice.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	i mostly link it to torture people.	[13:30]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: mission accomplished. i'm going back to reading that whitepaper	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony srsly, got a link to the whitepaper's github ? guy's tree's gnarly.	[13:32]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I've pinged him to ask where it is	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	a ty	[13:35]
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mircea_popescu	!up BigBitz	[13:37]
-assbot-	You voiced BigBitz for 30 minutes.	[13:37]
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mircea_popescu	you know how to voice ?	[13:37]
BigBitz	Yeah.	[13:40]
BigBitz	I just don't have my key on this terminal.	[13:40]
BigBitz	I am authed with gribble :)	[13:40]
BigBitz	;;ident	[13:40]
gribble	Nick 'BigBitz', with hostmask 'BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz', is identified as user 'BigBitz', with GPG key id AB6B34E4289B7F96, key fingerprint E6D96C3A035A057AD9DD8A9DAB6B34E4289B7F96, and bitcoin address 1BigBitzyouKT2eVYvHbRUNMkCp9bvAvSu	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	kk jus checking.	[13:41]
BigBitz	:)	[13:41]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: it's at git://git.wpsoftware.net/bitcoin/alt-essay.git	[13:49]
fluffypony	so no pretty github interface, but git works fine	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	ty	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	curl: (1) Protocol git not supported or disabled in libcurl	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	blergh	[13:51]
mircea_popescu	a kind soul with git installed pls dpaste that shit sometime ty.	[13:51]
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the_scourge	mircea_popescu: nix-env -i git-all	[13:55]
the_scourge	"Finally, it should be mentioned that developer-signed blocks are known in the PoS community as	[13:55]
the_scourge	checkpoints. This is a very misleading name because it is already used to describe an anti-denial-of-	[13:55]
the_scourge	service measure of Bitcoin’s peer-to-peer network; Bitcoin’s checkpoints have nothing whatsoever	[13:55]
the_scourge	to do with consensus."	[13:55]
the_scourge	erg sorry for multi line but this does not explain why peercoin's checkpoints won't work. we should call them something else if the word is causing a problem in discussing it	[13:57]
fluffypony	the_scourge: because with Bitcoin checkpoints are optional, and won't be needed eventually. with PeerCoin they will always be needed (for pure PoS).	[13:59]
fluffypony	otherwise they're open to stake-grinding attacks the minute they take them away	[13:59]
fluffypony	whereas with Bitcoin if you remove the checkpoints nobody has enough hashing power to be able to rewrite history back several thousand blocks	[13:59]
fluffypony	or wherever the last checkpoint was	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	in other words : in bitcoin checkpoints exist mostly because the protocol is strong, and the power rangers are trying to leech strength to prop their own shitty code.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	in ppcoin they exist because the protocol is very weak, even weaker than the code,	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	and the local power rangers are trying to prop both by fiat.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	(ie, their own trust)	[14:01]
the_scourge	at some point, the checkpoints in ppcoin won't be needed	[14:06]
punkman	when it's dead?	[14:06]
the_scourge	'cause the coin-days of legitimate holders will far exceed whatever a grinder could possibly come up with	[14:07]
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the_scourge	i don't see very much difference between that and PoW blockchains which have vulnerabilities early on, and can't be truly invulnerable until legitimate mining is consuming 51% of the earth's electricity	[14:08]
the_scourge	until that point, it's still just probability	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	you're committing the shaman mistake. that is to say, the mistake to believe categories in your mind have objective substance.	[14:10]
the_scourge	ppcoin is more of an agorist/WoT effort to get past that post. more activity, more coin-days, more legitimate: less chance of a grinding attack. until that point, you're hoping that the highly improbable does't happen. how is that different?	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as a "legitimate holder"	[14:10]
the_scourge	WoT is proof that there is 'legitimate holder', n'est pas?	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	it's a post hoc determination, and for this reason can not be used in any phenomena discussion.	[14:10]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/im-not-sure-i-can-truly-convey-the-lulz/	[14:11]
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mircea_popescu	the difference from the wot is actually quite instructive. in the wot, one is at the liberty to consider history, but in no sense required to do so. in your model, one automatically is held to consider history. it's true that they both to some degree rely on the continuation fallacy,	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	however once that's automatic everything changes. which is why the wot can not be automated.	[14:14]
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the_scourge	automated can mean 2 things: 1. reduce the roteness, man the hard things easy 2. skynet	[14:16]
the_scourge	*make	[14:16]
the_scourge	and considering i'm a NRx'er, i'm pretty sure i'm for the former and against the latter	[14:17]
the_scourge	*an NRx'er	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	i dunno what most of these are.	[14:18]
the_scourge	NRx is just shorthand for neoreaction	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	like shorthand for "yarvin's readership" ?	[14:20]
the_scourge	but basically, post-libertarianism. therefore bitcoin is designed with the wrong assumptions about society. it's designed by progressives. every person in the world born after 1805 is a progressive, more or less	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	...	[14:21]
the_scourge	i think it's a misconception that yarvin started NRx or even is/was a leader in any way. he's a good writer. he is NRx, yes	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	can youstick to one nonsequitur per paragraph, instead of one per sentence.	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	nobody can chase an explosion of rabbits.	[14:21]
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the_scourge	please point them out, i'll not say a word in the meantime	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	so let's leave aside the "therefore" bitcoin this and that, as i dun have the energy. instead, re "nrx" : i have little doubt that there are some kids in the us that thought the one repackaging of stuff they ran across is somehow more significant than all the repackagings they don't know, and definitely more significant than the originals. and that they need a name and so on. this exercise in nominalism does not instit	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	ute them as important, contrary to the tenets of the us religion of marketing.	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	so i'm not too inclined to see any of these lables as anything more than "ignorant kids from the us web". be it "nrx" or "neoreaction" or etc.	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	now, that make any sense ?	[14:24]
the_scourge	yes	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	ok. this much given, it can never be denied that the repackager of any one is, for all purposes, the 'leader'.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	the entire thing having no further substance past repackaging, obviously the coca cola company is the coca cola thing, and yarvin is the "nrx" thing.	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	that much make sense ?	[14:26]
the_scourge	uh, about my first yes, i should have said i understood where you're coming from, but i'm not sure you're observations are at all correct. on the second yes, you're very much wrong	[14:27]
the_scourge	*second ... checkpoint :)	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	so then on the 2nd, "no, you're very much wrong"	[14:27]
fluffypony	GPG guy: http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke	[14:27]
assbot	The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cybgc4 )	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony reheheheally.	[14:28]
fluffypony	thought it might be slightly relevant	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	fuck him, after gpg2 i'm happy to hear.	[14:28]
fluffypony	omfg wikipedia is down	[14:30]
the_scourge	fluffypony: it is relevant. this is another sign that society will colapse and i and many others were TOTALLY misguided on many thing in the last days of the empire	[14:30]
fluffypony	err'one panci	[14:30]
fluffypony	*panic	[14:30]
the_scourge	well who didn't pay them	[14:30]
fluffypony	the_scourge: I think we're going to end up like the people in Wall-E	[14:30]
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fluffypony	http://blogs.elpais.com/.a/6a00d8341bfb1653ef017d4158076b970c-pi	[14:31]
the_scourge	fluffypony: never seen it, would idiocracy be a similar example?	[14:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuuZo )	[14:31]
the_scourge	la wik is up again	[14:31]
fluffypony	oh my	[14:31]
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fluffypony	let me see if there's a snippet	[14:32]
fluffypony	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kngspqvHa0	[14:32]
assbot	Wall-E Fat People - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuKHX )	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Wall-E.html this /	[14:32]
assbot	Wall-E Script at IMSDb. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuMiM )	[14:32]
fluffypony	or this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy0DDuf8fYw	[14:32]
assbot	Wall-E ... Social Media funny fat people - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJuMPW )	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	Warning: mysql_select_db() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/imsdb/public_html/dbscon.php on line 5 << ahaha epic	[14:32]
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punkman	yarvin is the "nrx" thing. <- if not yarvin, who?	[14:38]
the_scourge	there are hundreds of writers. probably thousands like myself who haven't got a public profile.	[14:39]
the_scourge	do you want me to start rattling off urls?	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	by all means.	[14:39]
punkman	there is the LessWrong crowd, and the guy that left to make MoreRight	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	last time intel got the job to diagnose this (after princessnell brought it up) it turned out there's maybe a few dozen blogs, all dead.	[14:39]
punkman	but yarvin pretty much came up with the term "neoreactionary"	[14:40]
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punkman	I'm sure there's a whole bunch of "writers" that saw "NRx" and thought "hey, Rx is the good stuff right"	[14:41]
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mircea_popescu	lmai	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	actually it wouldn't surpriose me to find that's the process through which it was invented. all like nlp and shit, yarvin sat down and figured hey, this is going to positively attract the esl retards.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	(where esl = english as a sole language)	[14:42]
*	fluffypony twitches every time he sees "nlp"	[14:43]
punkman	hey nlp is natural language processing, good stuff	[14:43]
fluffypony	hah hah	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	nlp is like, "the law of attaction", before it was dumbed down for daytime tv.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	nlp/tloa	[14:44]
the_scourge	nick land, freenortherner, dalrock, sunshinemary, socialmatter.net darwinianreactionary.wordpress.com, anarchopapist, anomalyUK, cappy (captain capitalism) < all these have posts within the last week or less	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	there's something to be said for a society so dumb, even the scams have to be dumbed down lower and lower each generation.	[14:45]
punkman	the_scourge: well now it's "cool" to write about it	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	and the something that's to be said is : hory shit that puts isis, china and everyone else in a bad light	[14:45]
the_scourge	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Eia	[14:45]
assbot	Harald Eia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cydubr )	[14:45]
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mircea_popescu	whoa that guy looks sXe	[14:46]
pete_dushenski	heya the_scourge did you ever read http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/ ?	[14:47]
assbot	Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CydE2w )	[14:47]
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pete_dushenski	some of your fellow nx'ers picked up on an article of mine	[14:47]
pete_dushenski	nick land kicked it off	[14:47]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski the proposition that kids should (or want to) "improve the world" is untenable.	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	they are busy with much more suited tasks : picking a group and figuring the hierarchy.	[14:48]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: are you contravex.com ?	[14:48]
mike_c	but that title :D awesome.	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	mike_c that it is :D	[14:48]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: lol i guess so	[14:49]
punkman	maybe "improve your world"	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	but it IS a perfectly valid if not the only available means for them to improve hteir world.	[14:49]
pete_dushenski	but from the perspective of reality-divorced idealists...	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	a while back they could also improve it by handing out at elbow of papa while papa worked	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	but now that's illegal.	[14:49]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: mhm tis i	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski anyway, it's actually been in the logs.	[14:50]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: well poseidon isn't wrong you are reactionary	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	!s nrx	[14:50]
pete_dushenski	mike_c: ha ya i went for an mp-esque long one there	[14:50]
assbot	10 results for 'nrx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nrx	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	!s neoreaction	[14:50]
assbot	9 results for 'neoreaction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=neoreaction	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	hm wtf.	[14:50]
punkman	!s moldbug	[14:51]
assbot	103 results for 'moldbug' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moldbug	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	ah there we go, it's right, i forgot it indexes after a delay.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2014#660125	[14:51]
assbot	Logged on 05-05-2014 01:39:07; mircea_popescu: i also picked up "nrx" today	[14:51]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/#comment-8560 << alrenous guy seems pretty cogent.	[14:53]
the_scourge	i agree with everyone's sentiment regarding hipsters trying to figure out what ism they are. as someone who's had to earn all his priviledge, i went to uni with such people but cannot relate to them much. however didn't we just tell mr BigBitz and partner that it doesn't matter how hard you work, if you're working on the wrong thing?	[14:53]
assbot	Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyeqwx )	[14:53]
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mircea_popescu	the_scourge so how do these two come together in your reasoning there ?	[14:54]
-BigBitz-	!up plz.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	!up BigBitz	[14:54]
-assbot-	You voiced BigBitz for 30 minutes.	[14:54]
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the_scourge	right, so we know that working on a stupid protocol or technology is just wasting time. what about working within a social framework which is even more broken?	[14:55]
BigBitz	You told me, what?	[14:55]
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mircea_popescu	the_scourge but you see the difference between working on and working within ?	[14:55]
BigBitz	the_scourge ... ?	[14:55]
the_scourge	BigBitz: sorry, was it your friend Rippleflip who was the proprietor of those sites	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	like, working on a mud pie is stupid, working in a badly designed house may or may not be stupid ?	[14:55]
the_scourge	?	[14:55]
BigBitz	my friend, lol.	[14:55]
BigBitz	No.	[14:55]
BigBitz	I have no idea who he is. I banned him from -otc originally.	[14:56]
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BigBitz	don't associate me with him ;)	[14:56]
the_scourge	oh! ... i joined today at the point where you said "opportunity of a lifetime" < perhaps slightly /sarc ? :)	[14:56]
BigBitz	massively.	[14:56]
the_scourge	BigBitz: i won't, sorry!	[14:56]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: i can see the difference	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell pete_dushenski if you got the guy's email by virtue of him commenting, and you don't mind, drop him a note saying i loathe blogspot, but if he has time drop by for a chat.	[14:57]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:57]
the_scourge	i think "badly designed" might be giving too much credence	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	the_scourge the standing advice for all usians has been "get the fuck out of the us" for at least a year.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	some people listen, most don't, which hey. sounds almost like irl.	[14:58]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-january-2015-statement/	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	the jews found themselves in a similar situation all through the 30s.	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	(and in this perspective, the holocaust is proper and well deserved fucking punishment. next time - listen better.)	[15:00]
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the_scourge	mircea_popescu: good advice but as a non-USian who has spent 90% of his life outside the US and 100% of his adult life outside of N/A, and has lived in non-western places as well, i think there could be something said for living for a short while in california or new england	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but in the 90s.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	mebbe 00s.	[15:01]
the_scourge	why? the cracks weren't as obvious then	[15:01]
the_scourge	i lived in socal in mid-90s. i could see them, but they were not obvious	[15:01]
the_scourge	i think a teenager today would find them obvious.	[15:02]
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mircea_popescu	kinda the proof that it's too late.	[15:02]
the_scourge	too late to prepare?	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	no, too late to bother visiting.	[15:03]
the_scourge	why would you go other than to see the cracks and be warned?	[15:03]
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mircea_popescu	the only reason one'd ever go to either republic, would be to fuck college girls.	[15:04]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: definitely. i'm answering one of his comments right now, as it so happens	[15:04]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008336 << this is now stuck at 124275	[15:05]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2015 15:41:29; punkman: running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far	[15:05]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: you seem to have read some of nick land	[15:05]
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pete_dushenski	the_scourge: a handful, sure	[15:05]
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pete_dushenski	i think i referenced another one of his articles in the comments section of that first one	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	it wasn't half-bad	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	some strong points, some weaker ones	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/17/spending-all-your-time-figuring-out-what-kind-of-ism-you-and-your-friends-believe-in-so-that-you-can-call-each-other-whatever-ists-is-no-way-to-improve-the-world/#comment-8576	[15:08]
assbot	Spending all your time figuring out what kind of “-ism” you and your friends believe in so that you can call each other “whatever-ists” is no way to improve the world. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyhbhe )	[15:08]
the_scourge	lol but you quote moldbug as nick land!	[15:08]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: ^ fix that quick!	[15:08]
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pete_dushenski	the_scourge: lol read more closely	[15:09]
pete_dushenski	i said that it was nick's article	[15:09]
pete_dushenski	on his blog, not that he was the author of the points	[15:09]
pete_dushenski	nick calls it "his manifesto"	[15:09]
the_scourge	ok fine	[15:09]
the_scourge	what....	[15:10]
pete_dushenski	;)	[15:10]
the_scourge	wut?	[15:10]
the_scourge	really?	[15:10]
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pete_dushenski	"If there is a ‘we’ — this is what we believe." <<	[15:10]
pete_dushenski	if that's not a manifesto...	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	it seems to me this entire "we" whatever it is, if it had any sense whatever, would show up here.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	it's unclear if we politically agree or not, but it is not yet in any sense clear we disagree to any degree, and more importantly, we have nuclear weapons.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	they do not.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	so in the sense western "intellectuals" migrated to russia in the 30s, they're stuck migrating here anyway.	[15:12]
pete_dushenski	alrenous' invite: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/31/on-pretending-googling-is-still-a-thing-that-works/#comment-9857	[15:12]
assbot	On pretending “Googling” is still a thing that works any more than “USG” \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyi3m8 )	[15:12]
the_scourge	oh yah he takes it as a manifesto. obviously my reaction would only be for those who are meticulously combing through UR, and haven't even bothered to have a gander at xenosystems yet	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	"What is this? The first, the biggest* and the best*** IRC community." kakobrekla you sly* dog you* :D	[15:13]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: this exactly. twas my comment about nrx not grokking economics, money, and the fundaments of power	[15:14]
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kakobrekla	mircea_popescu see footnotes :p	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	night's still young	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla o i have :)	[15:14]
kakobrekla	a ok:)	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	"Say what? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com" < can this be "Say what? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com << Read this. Now."	[15:15]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyinRO )	[15:15]
the_scourge	the question is, have NRx found out that we actually live in a world where 'nuclear' weapons don't do anything? that's potentially one of the corellaries to the entire argument	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	coro	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	mod6: looks like 'i've only got 1: blk0001.dat, 985Mb <<< heh how about that, first 168k blocks fit in 1gb, the next 168k blocks fit in 35 gb.	[15:18]
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mircea_popescu	if the next 168k blocks fit in 1.25 tb we're so fucked...	[15:19]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: i've read more xeno that ur, it so happens	[15:20]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: and nuclear weapons most definitely do something	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access << kinda my supposition yeah. kinda sad if true. the competition to be him is at least 100k to 1. the competition to be her ? it's like superunitary, 0.x to 1.	[15:20]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: ah that explains my crossed wires	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski which is this xeno thing it seems familiar somehow	[15:20]
pete_dushenski	we're essentially assembled here to make sure wmds do something productive	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the , separate them by ; instead ?	[15:21]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: nick land's blog. what first put me on to "nrx" as per http://www.xenosystems.net/quote-note-144/	[15:21]
assbot	Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Quote note (#144) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyjgd6 )	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	oh now i know whence i know him, he linked to me a few times.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	!s nick land	[15:22]
assbot	4 results for 'nick land' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nick+land	[15:22]
pete_dushenski	not hugely surprising	[15:22]
pete_dushenski	that he STILL hasn't showed up here... is	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	Bitcoin address: 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP no less.	[15:23]
pete_dushenski	how long do people have to admire from a distance before talking to the pretty girl ?	[15:23]
pete_dushenski	particularly when the pretty girl is friendly and open to conversation like 20/24 hrs every day	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/address/18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP << sole txn lol.	[15:24]
assbot	Bitcoin Address 18YKtNeAy43kFVBzynHeusiaiiAa8pCZFP ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyjrFa )	[15:24]
pete_dushenski	on a digital forum where you don't even need to fuss about body language	[15:24]
ben_vulpes	[] http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008005 < did no such thing << my mistake, figured it out	[15:25]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2015 06:53:48; ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?	[15:25]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: because most don't quite understand the point. i kinda get the perceived problem (thanks to alf) but the solution, while cool, hasn't struck me as nuclear (yet)	[15:25]
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ben_vulpes	anyways, good morning	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski you were on twatter right ?	[15:25]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: yep	[15:25]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: morning!	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	ask @Outsideness if he still has the priv key to that bitcoin addy ?	[15:25]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: it does take a significant amount of interest in investing, monetary history, politics, to grasp	[15:26]
trinque	anybody know how to tell btcd to start from a previous block and re-generate the rest?	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	glwt.	[15:27]
trinque	that fuss about orphan blocks in btcd's log the other day was a jacked drive, killed 3 ldb files out of 15k	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron :0:0: warning: "_FORTIFY_SOURCE" redefined << that doesn't sound so good.	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	somehow running a duplicate along with the original or something ?	[15:28]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: yah, i thought i had a modicum of those things and while i totally grasp it, my age + intution is doing this thing saying: it would never pan out like that anyways"	[15:28]
pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/563402724666900480	[15:28]
assbot	Hey /Outsideness, I'm curious: do you still have the private key for this address ? https://t.co/4euFxZqSW8	[15:28]
danielpbarron	mircea_popescu, that's a compilation error	[15:28]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: huh funny thing that intuition sometimes	[15:29]
pete_dushenski	mine told me the exact opposite	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	the_scourge the nuclear part is explained here : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-01-2015#987147	[15:29]
assbot	Logged on 21-01-2015 23:53:56; mircea_popescu: jurov for what it's worth, here's my experience with bitcoin remittances : i sent btc to otc correspondents, ordered wires sent out to the hk account of my local agent, who has paid me dollars, in cash, in argentina. the entire process took less than what it takes to get a letter of credit, and significantly less than what international trade normally settles in.	[15:29]
danielpbarron	and it turns out there's an error before that one; currently trying to compile as root in case it's something i messed up with the cross compiler install	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	ahak	[15:30]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: but i need to formulate my concerns. it's mostly to do with ... if you've succeeded in preserving a clean, elegant, un-pwnable bitcoind variant, then all the poser cyperpunks GTFO, leaving only a small minority of (VERY valuable BTC) who are then in a VERY phys-sec vulnerable position	[15:30]
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the_scourge	but i need to write this out in a better way ^	[15:30]
the_scourge	reading link	[15:30]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: ya the "phys-sec" thing is something i've heard about for years and years now	[15:31]
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pete_dushenski	to which bitcoin responds: 1) deniability, and 2) fuck you	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski yeah. me too. specifically : here. most recently, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#999217	[15:32]
assbot	Logged on 31-01-2015 01:25:17; mircea_popescu: so no, when i'm talking about hanging each and every us bureaucrat, through a war crimes court, within our lifetime i am not being in any sense and to any degree metaphorical.	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	but more generally, http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/	[15:32]
assbot	Georg Ritter von Flondor, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/16vmosh )	[15:32]
pete_dushenski	did the kings and aristocrats that nrx'ers so rose-tintedly adore stay under their sheets all day ?	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[15:33]
pete_dushenski	right	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise.	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	we'll be fine.	[15:33]
pete_dushenski	so why would we, their heirs ?	[15:33]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: it's worth noting that most people "in bitcoin" tremble in fear a lot	[15:34]
the_scourge	reading	[15:34]
pete_dushenski	mostly because that's what they've always done	[15:34]
the_scourge	woah deja vue	[15:34]
pete_dushenski	this is where we flip the table and say, "now hold on just a minute. if we have the power, and we do, who should be scared of who now?"	[15:35]
the_scourge	i remember seeing that war crimes comment a LONG time ago	[15:35]
the_scourge	and i'm pretty sure i came in here to ask about it...	[15:35]
pete_dushenski	hang out here long enough and your fears about phys-sec (and most other things) slowly dissipate	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: 'the new state-of-the-art destroyer << is this the story that late bogart film was based on ? "mutiny on the bounty" i think it was called.	[15:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1700 @ 0.00096968 = 1.6485 BTC [+] {6}	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	the_scourge if you did log probably has the line somewhere.	[15:36]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: what... how are we the heirs???	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	jews don't understand this heritage concept like normal people.	[15:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00039193 = 20.4196 BTC [-]	[15:38]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: i suppose this is another admonition not to use "we"	[15:39]
the_scourge	ok hang on. are you REALLY saying that greed is more powerful and delusion (or religion)? because if you want to buy hitmen or hold the entire world ransom to a dirty bomb or nuclear warheads, you're going to 1. have to find really fucking greedy nuclear engineers and/or suicide bombers and/or military guys	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << win :D	[15:40]
the_scourge	*that delusion or religion	[15:40]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: lol so it would seem	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	the_scourge you don't understand how the world works :)	[15:41]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: have you ever seen someone explode themselves to influence the course of history? i have, in person	[15:41]
the_scourge	it wasn't for bitcoin or fiat	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	this is not what's being discussed. you proceed from the naive locus where the bureaucrat somehow= the entire world.	[15:41]
the_scourge	an btw the progressive delusion is FAR more powerful that the allah delusion, it's more craft and more sublte	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	nothing can be further from the truth.	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	the only subhuman profession is bureaucracy.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	there's no need to hold anyone hostage to enact a public gutting of government servants.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	it's their natural fate.	[15:42]
the_scourge	dude i am arguing the exact opposite. the beueaucrat has NOT power whatsoever. that is the entire point	[15:42]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: i'd say allah's been around longer so... lindy effect	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	cool. so they're getting it.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	anyway : the only people in a very untenable phys-sec position are the various bureaucrats, us or otherwise. <<	[15:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00039193 = 10.4841 BTC [-]	[15:43]
the_scourge	right, but the religionists might defend them (or their right to a trial) to the death	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	see also the always popular	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	!s we know where you live	[15:44]
assbot	4 results for 'we know where you live' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=we+know+where+you+live	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	sure sure, or else jesus might visit.	[15:44]
the_scourge	wtf	[15:44]
pete_dushenski	...assuming "progressives" are in the french revolutionary vein	[15:44]
the_scourge	i don't understand waht that has to do with it	[15:44]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: they all are	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	lolz.	[15:44]
the_scourge	it's homogenous, this is provable	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	i guess then it will get proven.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	anyway, tell gavin i'm off to eat.	[15:45]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: all = modern only. rousseau didn't invent socialism	[15:45]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: sure, i'll pick it up later, remember your question	[15:45]
the_scourge	all = the ones we have to worry about	[15:46]
pete_dushenski	perhaps, but not the only ones to learn from	[15:46]
pete_dushenski	and it's not clear to me that religionists are going to risk their necks for paper-pushers	[15:46]
the_scourge	wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral?	[15:47]
pete_dushenski	tc being... ?	[15:47]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: by religionists, i mean atheists	[15:47]
pete_dushenski	meh "atheists" are just as religious as the next	[15:47]
pete_dushenski	their alter is scientism	[15:48]
the_scourge	no, we need to end this conv.	[15:48]
the_scourge	because that's not what i mean at all.	[15:48]
the_scourge	er.. not end, just pause for a sec	[15:48]
pete_dushenski	no rush	[15:49]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: if you read how dawkins got pwned, then you'll understand what i mean by religionists	[15:49]
pete_dushenski	dawkins got pwned ?	[15:49]
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the_scourge	actually to be honest you really need to the gentle introduction and take the red pill, do the original sources on the revolutionary war, then read the dawkins stuff, then 'open letter'	[15:50]
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the_scourge	http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2007/09/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-1.html	[15:50]
assbot	Unqualified Reservations: How Dawkins got pwned (part 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1CymDRd )	[15:50]
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chetty	so what ya'll think about the 'journalist' caught in the big lie? will it help people 'get it' about the news?	[15:52]
the_scourge	chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol	[15:53]
the_scourge	*was	[15:53]
pete_dushenski	The God delusion is a parasitic meme because, being alien to reason, it does not serve the interests of the host. << utter nonsense	[15:53]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: explain?	[15:53]
pete_dushenski	that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival	[15:54]
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the_scourge	pete_dushenski: you've obviously not aquainted yourself with NRx at all. if you chose to read a little and open your mind, it will hurt for several days	[15:54]
the_scourge	but yes, we have all been taught our whole lives that religion is for coping, atheists worship 'science', etc etc	[15:55]
the_scourge	trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago	[15:55]
*	the_scourge was a total progressive. a libertarian, tory, ancap progressive	[15:56]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: are you american?	[15:56]
pete_dushenski	whatever is was, it got you here right?	[15:56]
pete_dushenski	the_scourge: i'm in edmonton. and iirc you're in canada too	[15:57]
mike_c	<+the_scourge> trust me, those assertions seem like total nonsense to me now, even though i fully believed them as recently as 3 weeks ago << imagine what you'll whole heartedly believe a month from now!	[15:57]
the_scourge	mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet	[15:58]
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the_scourge	pete_dushenski: oh yah cool BC is my stomping grounds but i worked in eddyville for a few summers	[15:59]
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pete_dushenski	the summer's the time to be here :)	[16:00]
chetty	chetty: are you talking about CHris Kyle? ... i guess he is a 'journalist' lol// no Brian Williams	[16:00]
trinque	+the_scourge \| mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck	[16:03]
chetty	+the_scourge \| mike_c: i'm starting to think that i've taken a pill which ran an end-run around #b-a ... not sure yet << I came for the bitcoin, stayed for the mindfuck// aren't they the same thing?	[16:03]
the_scourge	trinque: ok, having experienced both, i'm pretty sure old moldbug is a much better mindfuck	[16:04]
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punkman	contemplation takes time	[16:06]
punkman	pill taking not encouraged	[16:06]
the_scourge	i agree the perspective here is refreshing and contrarian	[16:06]
the_scourge	but it only goes halfway	[16:06]
pete_dushenski	kinda soon to make that call neh?	[16:07]
ben_vulpes	hey so why did the hipster burn himself on his coffee?	[16:08]
lobbes	he drank it before it was cool	[16:08]
trinque	heyooo	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	anyway, where were we.	[16:08]
ben_vulpes	ka-zing	[16:08]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: we were halfway...	[16:08]
the_scourge	pete_dushenski: probably, yes. i do like to hear things out. but i wish it was more prosaic in this case!	[16:09]
pete_dushenski	ah but then you'd miss out on the mosaic!	[16:10]
the_scourge	obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	the_scourge: wait, are you suggesting that socialism isn't part of The Cathedral? << a) "the cathedral" is about as solid a concept as moldbug's new os.	[16:11]
*	the_scourge does not want mosaics, he wants answers. diversity is for suckers	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	b) not really worth going into after that.	[16:11]
the_scourge	explain why the concept does not reflect reality	[16:11]
chetty	obviously not everyone in the world enjoys prose, otherwise everyone in the world would agree with modlbug that atheists worship equality, not science// atheists worship not worshiping	[16:12]
the_scourge	er, please explain :)	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	im sorry, i don't do that. if you wish to use it, introduce it. as per http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/	[16:12]
assbot	How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CypPwf )	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	yarvin doesn't get an out of jail free card just because he is "with us", as opposed to whoever, golf club pattern proponent	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	they're just as much pseudo, the political motivation of pseudoscience makes not on wit of difference.	[16:13]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: if you want a first principles argument for the existence of the cathedral, that has been given already. i'm not going to repeat it in an IRC channel. everyone knows where to find it, i'm just wondering why you in particular haven't looked at it	[16:14]
the_scourge	if it helps, let me vouch that it IS first principles and it is worthy of your time	[16:14]
the_scourge	brb, eating	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	well so then there the conversation ends. you are a believer in some strange notions that don't carry currency here.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	not teh first, not teh last, nothing wrong with it.	[16:15]
mod6	<+punkman> running a node with this line removed: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0939 . works so far << check out this patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000023.html	[16:15]
assbot	Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D22jX3 )	[16:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CyqcqK )	[16:15]
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the_scourge	mircea_popescu: ok it wasn't quite ready. it's not a strange notion what can be argued from first principles. i'm agreeing with your post	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	not like there's any rush. the logs stretch endlessly.	[16:25]
the_scourge	the part about the socialist professors and their books rings esp. true. what you fail to realize is that everything YOU believe falls into the same category (minus the stuff which can be argued from first principles)	[16:25]
the_scourge	it = supper	[16:25]
the_scourge	so what carries currency here does not matter. reality matters. that is it. we've been living in a suspension of reality for at least 300 years, so i'm not surprised that our conversation is missing each other	[16:26]
*	pete_dushenski grabs popcorn	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	well if what carries currency here doens't matter, why are you talking ?	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	dun waste your time, you don't have so much of it. go do something that matters somewhere where it does.	[16:27]
chetty	the_scourge, only 300?	[16:27]
the_scourge	chetty: no, that is a minimum figure	[16:28]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: http://media.giphy.com/media/yhbze3D8QhFe0/giphy.gif	[16:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrCkR )	[16:28]
pete_dushenski	anyone care to translate this pdf of the_scourge's ? http://www.moreright.net/a-gentle-introduction-to-unqualified-reservations-pdf/	[16:30]
assbot	A Gentle Introduction to Unqualified Reservations — PDF \| More Right ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrRfR )	[16:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45300 @ 0.00039333 = 17.8178 BTC [+]	[16:30]
the_scourge	http://moldbuggery.blogspot.ca/ < here you go. html, under the section titled "a gentle introduction"	[16:30]
assbot	Moldbuggery ... ( http://bit.ly/1CyrQbI )	[16:30]
pete_dushenski	goodness gracious... what a dozen posts and 15,000 words each ?	[16:31]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: you've yet to meet mr mold?	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah, the guy was verbose.	[16:31]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: nah i'm familiar with his work	[16:32]
pete_dushenski	have i read mold as exhaustively as asciilifeform ? no. have i read some ? yes	[16:32]
ben_vulpes	i remember some really long stony nights in college going through the works	[16:33]
pete_dushenski	reading the trilema pieces in his direction were a sufficient cure to reading more	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway, that "how dawkins got pwned" thing reads to me like "unemployed grad was playing Plague Inc. on his ipad while dawkins was on tv"	[16:33]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform's a sucker for punishment	[16:33]
pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: russian, neh ? ;)	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	the similarities are shocking.	[16:34]
ben_vulpes	not only expects, but welcomes the stake.	[16:34]
pete_dushenski	lmao	[16:34]
ben_vulpes	"at long last, my expectations are fulfilled."	[16:34]
pete_dushenski	#calledit	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes actually i confess i do the same sort of obsessive rereading myself. tho perhaps not on orlov and yarvin	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	but then again...	[16:34]
ben_vulpes	OKAY CLIENT WHY AREN'T YOU IN OUR CONFERENCE CALL	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	he wants you to hang out here moar.	[16:35]
pete_dushenski	and work on 0.5.3!	[16:35]
ben_vulpes	myeah i want this too	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	"In the more recent past, the Allied victors eradicated militarist traditions in Germany and Japan through their control of the educational system." << lulzy. and of course, defeated japanese and german troops erradicated the same in the us and its allies by... also control of the educational system ?	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	"o no wait, that's what we wanted anyway" "like fuck you did"	[16:39]
pete_dushenski	moldbug?	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[16:41]
pete_dushenski	i scanned that dawkins piece a bit more... there were more unfounded claims than i could take	[16:41]
pete_dushenski	so: in the trash	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	kinda the problem with this guy, he's writing a bizarre sort of fiction.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	"For example, one common trope in various religious traditions is asceticism: the voluntary renunciation of material comforts. Since this tends to be much easier for those who start out wealthy and comfortable, it's an effective status marker."	[16:43]
pete_dushenski	"Christianity is simply a set of behavioral patterns that harm other human patterns in some respect and help in others. Catholic priesthood does, however, exhibit parasitic (viral) behavior on fatherhood."	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	fucking a. didn't this guy as retold by asciilifeform end up sucking cock because "gentleman" in his own opinion ?	[16:44]
pete_dushenski	too anti-religious for me	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	anyway, enough of this.	[16:44]
pete_dushenski	not like god-worship is sane, just that it works	[16:44]
pete_dushenski	myea	[16:44]
pete_dushenski	Ukrainian Central bank raises overnight refinancing rate to 23% from 17.5%	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski: that's quite specifically what religion is for: coping, thus survival << that coping worked better pre industrial revolution that post.	[16:46]
pete_dushenski	granted	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	on which score, orwell has an excellent quote	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	one sec to package it so it doesn't end up flooding log	[16:46]
pete_dushenski	modern technology is marvellous for coping	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/1T7Z9SG <	[16:47]
assbot	dpaste: 1T7Z9SG ... ( http://bit.ly/1FaZLph )	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	"Mr Upward would no doubt answer that a belief which was appropriate several centuries ago might be inappropriate and therefore stultifying now. But this does not get one much farther, because it assumes that in any age there will be ONE body of belief which is the current approximation to truth, and that the best literature of the time will be more or less in harmony with it. Actually no such uniformity has ever exist	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	ed. In seventeenth-century England, for instance, there was a religious and political cleavage which distinctly resembled the left-right antagonism of to-day. Looking back, most modern people would feel that the bourgeois-Puritan viewpoint was a better approximation to truth than the Catholic-feudal one. But it is certainly not the case that all or even a majority of the best writers of the time were puritans."	[16:49]
danielpbarron	;;later tell asciilifeform any suggestions? this output is from your auto.sh -> http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-error.txt	[16:49]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Fb0cjo )	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	as a great quote.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	his general point is well taken : as whole groups, the burgeois-puritans were more on point than the feudal-catholics. however, (and he says it, but he hides it too because he does not want to confront it) : as elites, the catholics mashed the puritans into the ground.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	because, then as now, socialism does not work.	[16:50]
mike_c	danielpbarron: looks like you are missing zlib, no?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	nobody wants a plate of twelve "kinda-shitty" dishes when he could have an exquisite dish and eleven helpings of garbage, readily discarded.	[16:51]
danielpbarron	i guess there are some dependancies that most users are assumed to already have on their system, mike_c ?	[16:52]
danielpbarron	i thought maybe it was all contained in the three tarballs in distfiles/	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	if it isn't it must be!	[16:52]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: "nobody" wise	[16:53]
pete_dushenski	this does not include those disposed towards "the starving kids in africa"	[16:54]
mike_c	danielpbarron: can you link me to it	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	well, nopbody capable of want.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	obviously the garbage composter will take either just as happily, and so would the toilet.	[16:54]
danielpbarron	mike_c, to what? auto.sh?	[16:54]
mike_c	yeah	[16:54]
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pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: want of materials, yes	[16:54]
pete_dushenski	want of "rights" less so ;)	[16:54]
danielpbarron	mike_c, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150128/auto_5acaf3182f7d59b9ef11dc90f80bdcc4f8fdd59c.sh	[16:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CyuFd1 )	[16:55]
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pete_dushenski	this is the railroad vs. freedom debate	[16:55]
pete_dushenski	"It seems therefore that for a creative writer possession of the 'truth' is less important than emotional sincerity." << well said	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	remarkably, wikipedia manages to write however many words on poe without mentioning the guy was batshit insane.	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[16:58]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[16:58]
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ascii_field	danke mircea_popescu	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	doing ddos research ? :D	[16:58]
ascii_field	heavy industrial pipe here.	[16:59]
ascii_field	danielpbarron: it's all wrong	[16:59]
thestringpuller	oh hey ascii_field left his house	[16:59]
ascii_field	danielpbarron: no, it should -not- be using any libs installed on your box	[16:59]
danielpbarron	that's what i thought	[16:59]
ascii_field	not openssl, not bdb	[17:00]
ascii_field	and from your dump, it clearly is	[17:00]
danielpbarron	hrm	[17:00]
ascii_field	check that 1) you actually built them 2) results went to the specified dir 3) envir vars got set to point there	[17:00]
ascii_field	one of 1, 2, 3 - is false.	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	3 bering my guess	[17:01]
danielpbarron	will do; thank you for the insight	[17:01]
ascii_field	have it dump'em	[17:01]
ascii_field	the vars, that is	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	probably they're in the path, but not being defaulted to	[17:01]
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mike_c	the export lines look ok..	[17:01]
ascii_field	other thing is	[17:01]
ascii_field	try building on a box that doesn't even -have- the libs	[17:01]
ascii_field	(installed the usual way)	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	well then it'll work, nothing to default to	[17:02]
ascii_field	that way - no confusion	[17:02]
ascii_field	no, then, assuming nothing changed, will croak	[17:02]
ascii_field	the locally built libs either 1) aren't there 2) aren't pointed to by the envir.	[17:02]
ascii_field	and here's another dead giveaway	[17:03]
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ascii_field	the thing shouldn't ever be asking for zlib!	[17:03]
ascii_field	read build.sh	[17:03]
ascii_field	clearly marked, zlib is toggled off; and, in the comment, warns that recent 'boost' is braindamaged and demands it anyway	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	there's that.	[17:04]
ascii_field	hence, either 1) your build is trying to use a 'modern' boost	[17:04]
ascii_field	2) your build isn't even happening with the patched (non-zlib) makefile	[17:04]
ascii_field	(you did patch, right?)	[17:04]
danielpbarron	yes	[17:04]
ascii_field	ok	[17:04]
ascii_field	then (1)	[17:04]
ascii_field	tertium non datur	[17:04]
danielpbarron	but just to clarify, i'm supposed to patch with the portatronic thing after the chicken etc.. patches?	[17:05]
ascii_field	yes	[17:05]
ascii_field	though technically shouldn't conflict with any of them	[17:05]
danielpbarron	and that all seems to work with no errors	[17:05]
danielpbarron	i think i tried the portatronic patch first and it didn't work	[17:05]
ascii_field	what was the output ?	[17:05]
danielpbarron	i don't recall and didn't save it	[17:05]
ascii_field	'pikz or didnt happen'	[17:05]
ascii_field	(TM)	[17:06]
danielpbarron	i can repeat for you	[17:06]
ascii_field	may be useful	[17:06]
ben_vulpes	ascii_field: http://tm.shithouse.tv	[17:08]
assbot	™ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cyw9nx )	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	http://www.ussiowa.org/general/html/willie_d.htm << ok this is a great fucking read.	[17:08]
assbot	The Willie D ... ( http://bit.ly/1CywdUc )	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	check out the meta-nsa at work !	[17:08]
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ascii_field	http://tech.mit.edu/V134/N60/walterlewin.html << somehow missed this when it was on	[17:17]
assbot	MIT cuts ties with Walter Lewin after online harassment probe - The Tech ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fb6AqH )	[17:17]
ascii_field	^ physics prof purged	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	"Institute revokes emeritus title, removes online courses of popular physics professor who starred in viral videos"	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	if i weren't so lazy i guess i'd organise a special cell to create these derpy "controversies" about every single intellectually productive us person and have the academia "sever ties" with them.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	fortunately, i am lazy. also fortunately, it's a job that does itself.	[17:19]
ascii_field	what'd be the objective ?	[17:20]
ascii_field	that they defect? or simply denied to the enemy ?	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	well, the enemy proposes that relevancy is a matter of headcount.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	so... it's a win-win move.	[17:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128300 @ 0.00039338 = 50.4707 BTC [+] {2}	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	"With his wiry grayish-brown hair, his tortoiseshell glasses and his intensity, Professor Lewin is the iconic brilliant scientist … he is at once larger than life and totally accessible."	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	"which is great, unless he fucks someone"	[17:22]
the_scourge	excommunicate him! heretic! :) < it's galileo all over again	[17:23]
ascii_field	hey if j. watson can be lowered into pederasty, why not any other greybeard lecturer	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	"never interrupt the enemy when he's making a mistake". fortunately the internet makes so that "help him instead" remains undetectable.	[17:24]
ascii_field	it isn't like they have an alternative 'pepsi usa' which they can escape to and help it build death rays.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field the notion that there exists an ending for every character doesn't hold.	[17:25]
ascii_field	?	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	whether they have or they don't have a choice today, it makes little difference.	[17:25]
ascii_field	watson is a special case here (see his auction escapade, for instance) - but a garden-variety physics prof going 'on strike' means: taxicab	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	no it does not.	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	it could as well mean blog going "Fuck you, of course I fuck my students!"	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	i'd blogroll it.	[17:28]
ascii_field	and how does that fix the fella up with food & house ?	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	the "turn the other cheek" folk over there. the "if you as much as bother a hair of my beard I'll gouge your fucking eyes out with your own detached ribs" folk over here.	[17:28]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[17:29]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[17:29]
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ascii_field	ty mircea_popescu	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	why'd you expect one's finances to derive from one's politics ?	[17:29]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: actually just that. pointing out that virtually none of the people involved are 'free men' in the sense of having any kind of independent finance	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[17:30]
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mircea_popescu	neither were any of the men involved in, say, the end of the soviet union.	[17:30]
ascii_field	actually	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	quite more literally than is the case here, anyway.	[17:30]
ascii_field	one of the few genuinely valuable nuggets in orlov is his summary (for engl. folks) of how sov. supply chain had such abundant slack (no 'just in time' anywhere) that many folks had access to serious stashes of $good	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	they built that access.	[17:32]
ascii_field	e.g., if you worked at a paper factory in '91-93, you had a good chance of becoming de-facto owner of a hundred tonnes of paper - suddenly unobtainable in the usual way - and some pull.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	and, actually, that slack, too.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	do you know how much time and effort the central command spent trying to narrow it down ?	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	90% of all available anything, towards the end of things.	[17:32]
ascii_field	aha.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	well ?	[17:32]
ascii_field	except - orcs, so it was hopeless	[17:33]
the_scourge	doesn't our politics and philosophy entirely derive from our finances? it's pretty clear that a liberal is just a fascist with effective plumbing and sanitary solutions	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	it is not so clear.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, the fascists had better plumbing than the us does.	[17:33]
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the_scourge	er, sorry i didn't mean to reference one specific form of fascism ... i should have used 'left' and 'right' instead	[17:34]
the_scourge	looking for citation right now....	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	the_scourge are you looking for the log bit about the spanish revolutionary right ?	[17:35]
ascii_field	!s answer lies in the sewers	[17:36]
assbot	11 results for 'answer lies in the sewers' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=answer+lies+in+the+sewers	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	look at that, all alf :)	[17:37]
the_scourge	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/20/smelly-environment-gay-marriage_n_5358253.html	[17:39]
assbot	Smelly Environment Can Increase Homophobic, Politically Conservative Views According To Study ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fbbi82 )	[17:39]
the_scourge	http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/24/opinion/24pizarro.html	[17:39]
assbot	All Politics Is Olfactory - NYTimes.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbbhAK )	[17:39]
the_scourge	sorry for the sources, i was struggling with my history grepping and resorted to ddg	[17:39]
the_scourge	ascii_field: yes, i believe it's the same effect	[17:40]
ascii_field	what effect ?	[17:40]
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mircea_popescu	lol the_scourge you ever heard of one McCune ?	[17:41]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: don't ring a bell	[17:42]
ascii_field	i must confess - despite having read every word of mr mold's UR (and got my fair fill of the author in his previous life, and likewise played in his hindley-milner mathemasturbatorium until could take it no more) - i am still no closer to grasping the_scourge's arguments	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	unsurprisingly. sara miller mccune is a reputed con woman that came up with the following scam : make up fake "peer reviewed" scientific journals, then charge variouis idiots that were stpid enough to try and carve careers out of "social studies" a few hundred dollars to publish their goop	[17:42]
the_scourge	ascii_field: i thought perhaps your 'answer lies in the sewers' paper was talking about the olfactory conservative/liberal thing, but upon reading it, it seems like it's talking about something else... spanish nobility dumping their worker's bodies in the sewers? am i close?	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	then charge for the amassed pseudoscience to be repeated in drivelly sources like the huffpo.	[17:43]
ascii_field	the_scourge did not actually read a word of it	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	this works splendidly well, on a certain crowd, creating "consensuses" and "progresses" and whatnot.	[17:43]
ascii_field	we now know.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	also doesn't happen to carry currency here.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field well... chuka.	[17:44]
ascii_field	the_scourge: you are making a loud public fool of yourself, unnecessarily. friendly warning.	[17:44]
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TheNewDeal	Anyone interested in a bitbet repurchase?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	how's that work ?	[17:45]
mike_c	TheNewDeal: what are you holding?	[17:45]
TheNewDeal	It works like so. Purchaser sends btc	[17:46]
TheNewDeal	I pay out after receiving payment from bitbet	[17:46]
the_scourge	ascii_field: duly taken. i'm just trying to connect McCune to the articles i linked	[17:46]
TheNewDeal	I give a small premium on timeweight	[17:46]
mike_c	yeah, so what are you selling?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	and on trust ? and interest ?	[17:46]
TheNewDeal	No interest	[17:47]
TheNewDeal	Yes trust	[17:47]
TheNewDeal	Im holding no on https://bitbet.us/bet/1114/btc-to-rise-vs-usd-in-february/#b7	[17:47]
assbot	BitBet - BTC to rise vs USD in February :: 4.21 B (69%) on Yes, 1.89 B (31%) on No \| closing in 2 weeks 6 days \| weight: 90`871 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbdwUE )	[17:47]
*	mircea_popescu kinda interested to see this model developped, but the fact that txns have to take a time, and a risk premium on top of what's actually bneing sold seems insurmontable	[17:47]
mike_c	it's been done before	[17:47]
TheNewDeal	I did it before, check out my otp page	[17:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00039193 = 2.4496 BTC [-]	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal but your holding is worth at the very most .189 BTC, and that if no has a 100% chance to win ?	[17:48]
TheNewDeal	1.75	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	mike_c TheNewDeal no dispute it can be done and has done. just, impediments, friction, that sort of consideration	[17:48]
TheNewDeal	Ill sell up to .75	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal what i mean is, the value of buying 1 btc from you rather than betting 1 btc is given by the weight differential	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	as weigh is at 90k, even should you hold all the no you can't expect to make more than .189	[17:49]
TheNewDeal	To me it doesnt matter the exact amount I make	[17:50]
ascii_field	'(S//REL NATO) We assess that any unclassified NATO network that is directly connected to the Internet should be considered potentially compromised, creating uncertainty regarding the confidentiality, integrity and continued availability of all data on that network.' << mega-lol	[17:50]
TheNewDeal	I saw the bet, it looked unbalanced, and then i bet	[17:50]
TheNewDeal	Im not saying you shouldnt just bet no	[17:51]
TheNewDeal	But you could bet no, and buy no from me	[17:51]
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TheNewDeal	Why do yoy say I can expect to make .189?	[17:52]
the_scourge	mircea_popescu: done some reading on sarah miller mccune, very interesting. is that somehow connected to http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0095572	[17:52]
assbot	PLOS ONE: Disgust and the Politics of Sex: Exposure to a Disgusting Odorant Increases Politically Conservative Views on Sex and Decreases Support for Gay Marriage ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbeUXm )	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	if not in fact, in spirit.	[17:53]
TheNewDeal	The maximum i can make atm is 3.9	[17:53]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: incidentally, the mccune thing is not in any way fundamentally different from the -rest- of mainstream academia	[17:53]
ascii_field	which is a pure rapefest from the standpoint of the phd coolies	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field do they have classified networks directly connected is ther implication there ?!	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i just picked her name out of a bucket.	[17:54]
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the_scourge	mircea_popescu: oh yah, i take every "finding" and "study" with a grain or shovelful of salt. so, well spoken	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal just trying to think through the valuations of this device. it's interesting.	[17:55]
TheNewDeal	Any who, if someone is interested or becomes more interested as time goes on, send me a gribble message	[17:55]
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TheNewDeal	I usually just place a premium, like, 3% on the timeweight	[17:56]
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TheNewDeal	So if purchaser paid me at 90k timeweight, I would payout at 90k*1.03	[17:57]
TheNewDeal	The specific premium and amount are what needs be negotiated	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	so basically the diff between betting and buying is 3% on one side, vs the risk premium on the other.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> when you plug a lamp into a mains socket, is that also a 'streaming query' ? << For some kinds of lamp sure. << LAMP! geddit ? roflmao	[17:59]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/05/this-is-the-wrong-way-to-do-the-internet-dont-worry-theres-also-a-right-way/	[18:00]
assbot	This is the wrong way to do the Internet. Don’t worry, there’s also a right way. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRaFVw )	[18:00]
TomServo	!up ascii_field	[18:01]
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pete_dushenski	^stab at wp, pump for qntra	[18:01]
pete_dushenski	not wordpress, washington post	[18:01]
ascii_field	ty TomServo	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	"When I was in Sicily, I couldn't even get a frickin' wifi login at the McDonalds without an Italian passport and a local registered sim. "	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	this has got to be a joke	[18:02]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: sop in cn	[18:02]
TheNewDeal	Mp, The largest difference is someone else being able to purchase a larger percentage sstake in the pool I am in	[18:02]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal the most advantageous implications of the whole idea that i see probably have to do with privacy.	[18:03]
TheNewDeal	oOo	[18:03]
TheNewDeal	I like that	[18:03]
bitstein	Bravo, pete_dushenski	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	it's a sort of ad hoc, informal sidechains for btc.	[18:03]
pete_dushenski	http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state << heh america is all truck drivers now	[18:04]
assbot	Map: The Most Common* Job In Every State : Planet Money : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRbIVq )	[18:04]
TomServo	Waterfall update: One step closer to drying up. Down to 5,038.29 from 10,295.86 on 28-01-2015.	[18:04]
pete_dushenski	bitstein: thx, sorta low-hanging fruit but hey	[18:04]
jurov	http://www.gallup.com/poll/125639/Gallup-Daily-Workforce.aspx << not so many USians have a job anyway	[18:05]
assbot	Gallup Daily: U.S. Employment	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	job not needed. they're doing their part being part of the greatest derpocracy in history.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	should be a salary in that.	[18:05]
pete_dushenski	redditnotes!	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	also.	[18:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 176850 @ 0.00039134 = 69.2085 BTC [-] {2}	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo "breeching the Silk Road" < breaching.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	you breech a gun, you breach a maiden.	[18:08]
pete_dushenski	in your breeches	[18:09]
BingoBoingo	fxd	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	"One particularly interesting tidbit is that when information about parallel construction in a case leaks, a special "Taint Review Team" must consult with a judge to determine which evidence must be turned over to the defense. The Taint Review team is also responsible for insulating prosecutors from evidence that would reveal the application of parallel construction methods in a case."	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	this also suggests how the problem is to be attacked.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	make prosecutors personally liable for the use of fraudulently produced "proofs".	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	each da jailed for contempt & disbarred is a step forward.	[18:10]
ascii_field	lol, what's next, policeman liable for strafing crowds ?	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	i doubt the system couldsurvive a dozen total years of jailtime on this score.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i have with my own eyes seen men hang for that.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	anything can come apart if correctly approached.	[18:11]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: these folks show every sign of intending to keep it all up until glassed.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	appearances deceive.	[18:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00039371 = 12.0672 BTC [+] {2}	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	besides, what "these folks" in the general wish and what individual folks actually managed when confronted with a bloody club are quite divorced matters.	[18:16]
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jurov	"You were tipped 0.11 XPM for your commit on Project saltstack-formulas/epel-formula. Please, log in and tell us your primecoin address to get it."	[18:18]
jurov	O.o o.O loool	[18:19]
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mircea_popescu	that's an approach	[18:19]
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mircea_popescu	are these the folks that checked and then ignored signatures yest ?	[18:19]
jurov	yes	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	do you feel what, amused ? insulted ?	[18:20]
jurov	amused	[18:20]
ascii_field	jurov: now to discover the payload!	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if it's per line.	[18:20]
jurov	https://github.com/saltstack-formulas/epel-formula/pull/16 << they quickly merged it	[18:20]
assbot	Force usage of verified gpg key by jurov · Pull Request #16 · saltstack-formulas/epel-formula · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRfC0E )	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	hm you did 22 lines right ?	[18:22]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Everyone who wanted qntra to have a category page << remove the , separate them by ; instead ? << Work in progress. Things in the categories will be getting some better sorting.	[18:22]
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mircea_popescu	it's actually 0.005 per line.	[18:22]
jurov	guess qntra pays better	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	inb4 "this github commit is worth 1k btc on a qntra size arithmetic"	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	i dun believe the web is starved of anything nearly as badly as it's starved of usable value points of comparison. neatly mirrors how those kids are starved for exemplary leadership irl.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	a sad fate for a race with such well recorded history.	[18:25]
ascii_field	redhat patch << i can't help but think that this is a 'wait, there was dioxin in my cyanide pill!111!' situation.	[18:25]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field "fixed sexist pronouns in manual for use of the alcohol swab employed pre-lethal injection"	[18:25]
ascii_field	aha	[18:26]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/ScottMAustin/status/563444449226014722 << O.o	[18:29]
assbot	Likely why Twitter has been trying to get news out ahead of earnings: User growth was only 1.4%, the worst on record. /search?q=%24TWTR&src=ctag	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	"he problem isn't a limit in general but that 1MB is so low that under any meaningful adoption scenario it will push all individual users off the blockchain to rely on trusted third parties. In essence you will probably be priced out of the blockchain and the blockchain becomes yet another network you will never have direct (peer) access to, just like FedWire, SWIFT, and other private closed transfer networks. "	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	he forgot to add mpex in there.	[18:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 182100 @ 0.00039435 = 71.8111 BTC [+] {2}	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	anyway, writing a response to http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007935	[18:42]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2015 06:30:52; phillipsjk: DeathAndTaxes on bitcoin talk made a detailed post explaining why the 1MB block size in not good for anything other than inter-bank transfers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0 He estimetes 2-4 TPS basked on the last million transactions	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	should be good.	[18:42]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: if you or anyone else has any suggestions for sorting archive pages, it'd be sweet if contravex didn't only post one article at a time	[18:43]
pete_dushenski	i've tried a few angles without success thus far	[18:43]
jurov	http://www.propublica.org/article/the-worlds-email-encryption-software-relies-on-one-guy-who-is-going-broke	[18:48]
assbot	The World’s Email Encryption Software Relies on One Guy, Who is Going Broke - ProPublica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRl7wk )	[18:48]
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pete_dushenski	twas in the logs	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	jurov actually was on log.	[18:49]
the_scourge	bears repeating :)	[18:50]
pete_dushenski	speaking of bears, i'm hungry as one. laters	[18:52]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_dushenski Search for "Clean My Archives" if you consider using it be sure to read it. There isn't much to it.	[19:01]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:01]
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BingoBoingo	http://observer.com/2015/02/the-race-to-replace-bitcoin/	[19:06]
assbot	The Race to Replace Bitcoin \| Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/16lJFMQ )	[19:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89500 @ 0.0003903 = 34.9319 BTC [-]	[19:09]
BingoBoingo	"Ms. Kim has one of the all-time great LinkedIn profiles: Harvard, Cornell, Columbia Law, the Innocence Project, Shearman & Sterling, two other law jobs, founder or CEO at two start-ups and now a venture capitalist."	[19:10]
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BingoBoingo	"Ms. Kim’s next big idea was to drop hints to the world that Mr. McCaleb was Satoshi Nakamoto. According to one person who worked at Ripple Labs at the time, “Joyce was creating all kinds of rumors that Jed was Satoshi and Jed was happy to go along with it, smiling like the cat that ate the canary."	[19:12]
mod6	has anyone else seen the "G0D" magic number?	[19:21]
mod6	tail -500000 blk0001.dat \| xxd \| grep "G0D" \| wc -l	[19:21]
mod6	159025	[19:21]
BingoBoingo	"This all culminated in a showdown meeting in which the board and key investors sided with Mr. Larsen. It was a 5-1 vote to keep Mr. Larsen as CEO with Mr. McCaleb himself being the lone dissenter. Even Mr. McCaleb’s ally, Mr. Powell, voted to retain Mr. Larsen, as did Roger Ver, another McCaleb friend in the room."	[19:22]
BingoBoingo	mod6: Wait, Was it a bible verse that doesn't want to verify?	[19:23]
BingoBoingo	"After the vote, as would prove to be his habit when faced with a situation not to his liking, Mr. McCaleb simply disappeared. He and Ms. Kim went to Costa Rica to surf, then to Brazil. Even close friends at Ripple Labs had no idea where their mercurial founder was for months at a time."	[19:25]
mod6	na, just saw a bunch of those in there when looking through the hex of blk0001.dat, i think it's an OP_ script of some type maybe	[19:25]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[19:25]
BingoBoingo	"Meanwhile, Mr. McCaleb and Ms. Burzlaff negotiated a settlement for their children’s support, but his behavior toward his kids mirrored his departure from Ripple and, to some degree, every company he incubated. He fled the scene when things went south at eDonkey. At Mt. Gox, he actually claimed the company no longer had any of his coding DNA, even though he still owned 12 percent of the company and advised on an attempt to acqu	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	ire its assets."	[19:27]
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the_scourge	i'm undecided as to wether such scams demonstrate a concerted smear attempt or are simply exposing the nasty nature of our 'corportate' culture	[19:33]
BingoBoingo	"Ms. Kim has an impressively broad resume, but it is not especially deep. Ms. Kim appears on Stellar legal documents and itswebsite as “secretary,” “executive director” and “member” (under its bylaws). Whatever her talents, they do not include leadership. Her legacy at SimpleHoney was a pair of false-start products, punctuated by a blog post titled “How to Build a Startup from a Beach.”"	[19:34]
BingoBoingo	the_scourge: It is the plague of people having no concept of history pretending they can haz bzns	[19:34]
the_scourge	the internet is sirz bitnit	[19:35]
the_scourge	http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/133/593/innanep.jpg	[19:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KkzQ1f )	[19:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.0003903 = 5.6008 BTC [-]	[19:40]
BingoBoingo	"This circular process pinned an initial value on STRs. Stellar repaid the $3 million loan with 2 billion STRs. Based on the finite distribution of 100 billion STRs, the transaction implied the currency’s market cap was $150 million. (Its current market cap is about $17 million.)"	[19:41]
BingoBoingo	"Charlie Shrem, the Bitcoiner who is headed to prison and is very close to Mr. McCaleb and Mr. Karpeles and has done business with them, shared his suspicion that the Mt. Gox money actually disappeared much earlier than had been revealed: “I think he lost those coins early on. Like many years ago in the first hack.”"	[19:45]
ben_vulpes	the_scourge: shit doesn't even really count compared to actual impressive public market scamming like VGMC	[19:47]
danielpbarron	height=187521	[19:51]
mod6	lel: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44887.msg537071#msg537071	[19:52]
assbot	Bit-error in Block 108009, Tx 23 ? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkE0Gn )	[19:52]
the_scourge	ben_vulpes: wow that is some seriously seedy shit.... surely they didn't get anyone's money?	[19:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 136800 @ 0.0003903 = 53.393 BTC [-]	[19:55]
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ben_vulpes	the_scourge: you really have to ask?	[20:00]
the_scourge	idk human stupidity surprises me to this day and probably will do well into the future	[20:01]
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ben_vulpes	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-boy-suspended-bringing-ring-power-school-article-1.2099103	[20:21]
assbot	Texas boy suspended after bringing 'ring of power' to school - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkLngO )	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	!up kanzure	[20:21]
-assbot-	You voiced kanzure for 30 minutes.	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	hey there.	[20:22]
danielpbarron	ok so apparently the openssl make install was getting stuck on making documentation (apparently a known bug for the version ascii chose) and the fix is to use "make install_sw" instead of "make install"	[20:25]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell phillipsjk http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/	[20:27]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:27]
assbot	Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkN264 )	[20:27]
trinque	ben_vulpes: everyone in texas has borderline personality disorder	[20:34]
jurov	border personality?	[20:36]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[20:36]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0XSXRHH.txt )	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:38]
trinque	jurov: haaaaw	[20:38]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/2333/	[20:38]
cazalla	oops, forgot title	[20:39]
cazalla	the one time scoopbot fetches an article within seconds..	[20:39]
ben_vulpes	haw	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	lawk	[20:40]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitcoin-atm-operators-remove-machines-in-singapore/	[20:41]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/muckrock-dea-documents-show-parallel-construction-widely-used/	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron wow nice find	[20:44]
ben_vulpes	srs	[20:44]
ben_vulpes	qntra's turning into quite the source these days	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	mhm!	[20:46]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/	[20:47]
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mircea_popescu	"The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck is this bernardlunn.com imbecile.	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse << at least half.	[20:56]
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mircea_popescu	phillipsjk: Not even my 2 year electronic program or running a node for a year? <<< jesus god he's adorable. totally pwned ben_vulpes too, because the joo's a lazy reader. meanwhile in the linked cv ? "Objective. To find a day or night job in the Edmonton area."	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	!rated phillipsjk	[20:59]
assbot	You have not rated phillipsjk.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	!rate phillipsjk 1 His simplicity is endearing.	[20:59]
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mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.phillipsjk.1:4fc7cc9d4122a9dc2f24d42a0cec09a573a66f334b6631c311ab16c1b7bd82d4	[20:59]
assbot	Successfully added a rating of 1 for phillipsjk with note: His simplicity is endearing.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	in other news : i've had your resume read by my hr, and that woman has read probably 15k by now.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	"this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen."	[21:04]
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danielpbarron	ok.. i have a bitcoind binary file that i did myself! :D	[21:12]
danielpbarron	time for dinner.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	wd!	[21:13]
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mircea_popescu	!up kanzure	[21:19]
-assbot-	You voiced kanzure for 30 minutes.	[21:19]
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kanzure	hello	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	hey, what does it say ?	[21:19]
kanzure	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: %d. This may take a few moments. Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	%d srsly ?	[21:20]
kanzure	well i was going to write %f but then i realized i value my life	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	it'd help if i could actually check it ?	[21:21]
kanzure	http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2	[21:22]
assbot	Public Key Server -- Get ``0x984f10cc77169fd2 '' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3haAu )	[21:22]
kanzure	http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x984F10CC77169FD2	[21:22]
assbot	Search results for '0x984f10cc77169fd2' ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3h9g3 )	[21:22]
kanzure	also, do you have any hints for how i can make the incentives paper more lolworthy?	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	wait it was a loleffort ?	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	i was totally boggled because wtf is this.	[21:23]
kanzure	hard to explain	[21:24]
kanzure	i was trying to do both sort of	[21:24]
kanzure	like, it is completely ridiculous that such a document is required	[21:24]
kanzure	however... it's required.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	!register << are youdoing the full thing ?	[21:24]
assbot	Nick mircea_popescu is already taken.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	who can possibly require it ?	[21:24]
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kanzure	no i mean it's required in the sense that apparently some of those issues are non-obvious to others	[21:25]
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kanzure	quite literally some do not think that nodes can be malicious	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452. This may take a few moments.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	Key 2FB7B452 / "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) " successfully imported.	[21:26]
kanzure	or have different implementations	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	this is how mine looked.	[21:26]
kanzure	"Nick kanzure is already taken."	[21:27]
kanzure	btw this used to work	[21:27]
felipelalli	cazalla BingoBoingo please talk about Italy in Qntra.net as pete_dushenski suggested! This is huge!	[21:27]
kanzure	i have made no changes	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	ugh.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	well kakobrekla might be able to help you.	[21:28]
kakobrekla	!gettrust assbot kanzure	[21:28]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user kanzure: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/kanzure \| http://w.b-a.link/user/kanzure	[21:28]
kakobrekla	!up and !v	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	ah right.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	kanzure ima devoice you now. say !up in private to assbot, decryot the otp then say !v	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	!down kanzure	[21:28]
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mircea_popescu	see if this works	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	!up kanzure	[21:29]
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mircea_popescu	"!up" is still giving me "Could not find your key. Check if your key is available on keyservers and try later.""	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	he sez.	[21:29]
kanzure	"!v" is giving me "Need a decrypted verification string."	[21:29]
BingoBoingo	felipelalli: pete already wrote on itally for qntra.net	[21:30]
kanzure	this is retarded	[21:30]
kanzure	can someone just give me assbot source code or something	[21:30]
kakobrekla	is key on keyserver ?	[21:30]
kanzure	we've been over this	[21:30]
felipelalli	BingoBoingo: I'm sorry, you guys are too fast. I saw just the last 3 articles.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	kanzure well... nodes are hostile all teh time	[21:31]
felipelalli	And it was yesterday, I'm an idiot. Thanks.	[21:31]
kanzure	mircea_popescu: of course nodes are hostile... but this needs to be written down (apparently).	[21:31]
kanzure	part of it is that i don't trust anyone to keep the whole threat model in their head	[21:32]
kanzure	just seems unlikely	[21:32]
kanzure	and waiting for petertodd to start telling you to go fuck yourself is just a bad strategy	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	you know most of the lolz there are as to how incomplete it is	[21:33]
kanzure	ah...	[21:33]
kanzure	yeah i would estmate that it's no where near useful at the moment	[21:34]
kanzure	also does anyone know of a design for a planar engine? can be gas/steam/whatever. just needs to be manufactured in one step.	[21:36]
kakobrekla	your key was never imported	[21:36]
kakobrekla	how have you been over this	[21:37]
cazalla	felipelalli, pete submitted an article about that news yesterday - http://qntra.net/2015/02/banca-ditalia-ends-amlkyc-for-bitcoin-businesses-opts-out-of-economic-death/	[21:37]
assbot	Banca d’Italia Ends AML/KYC For Bitcoin Businesses, Opts Out Of Economic Death \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3iWlf )	[21:37]
felipelalli	cazalla: thanks cazalla, I skipped unintentionally.	[21:38]
cazalla	np	[21:38]
felipelalli	I was excited because my family is Italian and I have Italian passport.	[21:38]
kanzure	kakobrekla: how was i able to "!up" in the past?	[21:38]
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kakobrekla	kanzure via old gribble auth.	[21:39]
kanzure	ah fascinating	[21:39]
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mircea_popescu	!up kanzure	[22:05]
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mircea_popescu	yeah the missing piece of your puzzlement here might be that gribble got forked	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	in any case, the notion of "writing down incentives" is a little silly.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	incentives are always a contextual matter.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	the idea that some sort of serious analysis can be based on that fails fundamentally, in that it tries to work on the basis of goals rather than from causes.	[22:07]
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asciilifeform	kanzure: planar engine?	[22:24]
kanzure	was not aware of gribble fork	[22:24]
kanzure	asciilifeform: hplusroadmap is discussing said concept	[22:24]
kanzure	asciilifeform: http://gnusha.org/logs/2015-02-05.log	[22:24]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D3oz2M )	[22:24]
kanzure	asciilifeform: i'm thinking of something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_compressor	[22:24]
assbot	Scroll compressor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3ozjm )	[22:24]
asciilifeform	kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ?	[22:25]
asciilifeform	i don't think it gets any simpler than that	[22:25]
kanzure	wikipedia image does not make me think a tesla turbine is flat	[22:25]
asciilifeform	flat enough with one disk	[22:26]
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kanzure	hm.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	http://hackedgadgets.com/wp-content/tesla_turbine_5.JPG << from hdd platter	[22:26]
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mircea_popescu	So Randi goes to Davos, never once asking why they would want her there? Convincing her demo of underproducing hyperconsumers that capitalism-- controlling capital-- is pointless and mean, but globalism-- doublespoken as "progress", "human rights", "everything is connected"-- that is a noble cause. Remember that the "culture" she thinks she speaks for, including those that hate her-- "the startup culture"-- is premis	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	ed on starting a business in order to sell the business to someone else. Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else. The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think wom	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	en especially will heart it. It'll work for a handful of well publicized people pictured above the caption, "$100 billion! You could be next!"-- followed immediately by a story about how worthless the business turned out to be, so of course the goal for you is to sell out ASAP; but the vast majority who have aligned their psychology with this vector will pursue an impossible fantasy at the expense of their labor an	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	d their lives. If you don't believe me, believe Lori Gottlieb. This logic recommended to her to drop out of Stanford medical school to join Kibu.com, and now she's a relationship expert.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	god i searched for that quote...	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	fucking lori gottlieb	[22:29]
asciilifeform	kanzure: from a cursory reading of the linked log, it appears that you want a photolithographable engine ?	[22:29]
asciilifeform	kanzure: answer's easy - stirling with liquid piston.	[22:29]
kanzure	asciilifeform: yes please. although other one-pass manufacturing processes will be considered.	[22:29]
kanzure	hm	[22:29]
asciilifeform	kanzure: you now have answer.	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	im perhaps slow, but what is "one pass mfg process" even mean ?!	[22:30]
kanzure	it means "don't spend 100 hours assembling tiny parts into a bigger device"	[22:31]
asciilifeform	i'm assuming it refers to anything akin to printing, stamping, etching	[22:31]
kanzure	correct	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	so it's really "printable engine" ?	[22:31]
asciilifeform	(etching is quite certainly not 'one pass' in any sense, but i can see how it might fit here)	[22:31]
kanzure	i would say "printable engine" except then i would hate myself	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	kanzure this nomenclature you use is very confusing for (admittedly,. old) people with actual manufacutring management experience. it sounds a lot like the earlier discussed lighbulb sql.	[22:32]
kanzure	well that's what you get when mechanical engineering departments spend more time teaching me fucking excel spreadsheets than, you know, engineering	[22:32]
kanzure	(i dropped out)	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	basically, the notion that all manufacturing processes can be divided into an arbitrary number of passes at a gain of productivity is the tenet of that business for a century now.	[22:33]
asciilifeform	kanzure: i may be able to give you more specific advice if you say what the engine is meant to drive.	[22:33]
kanzure	asciilifeform: at minimum i need a few tens of newtons of force... in general.	[22:33]
kanzure	but more would be nice	[22:34]
asciilifeform	and also precisely why it needs to be lithographically produced	[22:34]
kanzure	that's more the reason here	[22:34]
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mircea_popescu	well inasmuch you can print a bottle and fill it with a gas, you can make a rocket that'll produce 10 newtons or more.	[22:34]
asciilifeform	force exerted on what ?	[22:34]
asciilifeform	^	[22:34]
kanzure	nothing in particular, just generic actuators i guess	[22:34]
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mircea_popescu	so, small ?	[22:35]
asciilifeform	there is no such thing as 'generic actuator'	[22:35]
kanzure	linear screw thread actuators are very useful at all sorts of sizes, but hard to manufacture (= require more steps and parts and manufacturing processes)	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i moved on to that after building a generic jammer, in my childhood :D	[22:35]
asciilifeform	does the engine need to produce linear motion? turn a shaft? cycle more than once? more than a trillion times ?	[22:35]
kanzure	oh that doesn't matter, you can convert most forms of motion	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	by using parts lol	[22:35]
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kakobrekla	kanzure Keefe kermit kushed kuzetsa kyuupichan	[22:36]
kakobrekla	kanzure Keefe kermit kushed kuzetsa kyuupichan	[22:36]
asciilifeform	!up kanzure	[22:36]
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mircea_popescu	"Every time you hear the word globalism, you should hear three things: 1. wealth uncoupled from work product. 2. Lifestyle as a reflection of your personal self-worth. 3. You give up control of the capital, and by capital I mean you. "Do I still get paid?" Sure, but you have to promise to spend more than what we pay. "How will that work?" Don't worry, Visa will explain it all to you."	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	i'd like to pay for this guy to have babies.	[22:36]
kanzure	i'm not sure if mircea_popescu is being serious about this	[22:37]
kanzure	since asciilifeform seems to understand i'll drop it	[22:37]
asciilifeform	kanzure: if you merely wish to drive a linear actuator, use an inchworm motor. if you need extraordinary force, use terfenol-d for the piezo stacks.	[22:37]
kanzure	a comb drive is approximately what i want	[22:37]
kanzure	except it doesn't work for large amounts of force	[22:37]
kanzure	or at "large" scale	[22:37]
asciilifeform	hell, mhd actuator	[22:37]
asciilifeform	as much force as you can sink heat.	[22:37]
asciilifeform	(do you need precision? you didn't say whether did or not)	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i thought the inchworm's main application was precise movement	[22:38]
asciilifeform	mhd - no parts at all	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	rather than force.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: referring to mhd	[22:38]
kanzure	hm i have a magnetohydrodynamics person in hplusroadmap. i will pester him.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	where - little precision, arbitrary force	[22:38]
asciilifeform	if your working fluid is even slightly conductive - mhd.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: was that tlp ?	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	yes it was tlp.	[22:39]
kanzure	where should i look for evidence of large force magnetohydrodynamic actuators	[22:39]
asciilifeform	kanzure: your desk	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	anyway inchworm means piezo in my head for some reason.	[22:39]
asciilifeform	kanzure: 1) not hard to research the basic mechanics, it's primary school physics 2) not hard to build experimental concept	[22:40]
asciilifeform	with elementary equip.	[22:40]
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kanzure	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13JW-Ifg4wA	[22:41]
assbot	High-thrust spiral motor : DigInfo - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEl29i )	[22:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: inchworm drive is not necessarily implemented with piezos (though usually), nor is a piezo actuator necessarily built on inchworm principle.	[22:41]
kanzure	hm no	[22:41]
kanzure	perhaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DjbYZ2eCM	[22:41]
assbot	self-powered magnetohydrodynamic motor - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEleW3 )	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform granted. just one of those mental automatisms that never had a chance to run into a door before.	[22:41]
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asciilifeform	kanzure: i think you just linked to a perpetuum mobile.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	well youtube research has its advantages.	[22:42]
kanzure	a minute on youtube saves a decade in my lab	[22:42]
asciilifeform	a decade in the lab saves you a minute...	[22:43]
asciilifeform	(where? on #b-a, naturally.)	[22:43]
kanzure	right... nobody in their right mind should use youtube.. yet here i am.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	kanzure: is this engine search still connected with your microfluidics/high-throughput screening thing, or something new ?	[22:44]
kanzure	vaguely connected i suppose	[22:44]
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mircea_popescu	kanzure seriously, if efficiency is not a concern (and i take it not to be since you never mentioned it yet), a succession of bottles is your best bet.	[22:44]
kanzure	having a flat/planar/single-pass-manufactured engine or actuator would be very useful for many reasons	[22:44]
kanzure	of bottles?	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	use precompressed gas, or combustion or w/e.	[22:45]
asciilifeform	kanzure: you should be able to fabricate a linear mhd actuator using ordinary etched copper pcb.	[22:45]
kanzure	fascinating	[22:45]
asciilifeform	or, alternatively, a liquid-pistol stirling engine using two sheets of glass and a garden-variety co2 laser engraver	[22:45]
asciilifeform	*piston	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	oh!	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	ok this is an idea! glass pane stirling heated by laser.	[22:46]
asciilifeform	neither has moving parts in the usual sense	[22:46]
kanzure	someone made a laser-pumped microfluidic device which was cute	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	what's a good working fluid ? (high absorbtion / high expansion with temp) ?	[22:46]
kanzure	also for cell lysis but w/e	[22:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu has it. can apply heat wherever you want it (laser, or electrically - indium or similar conductive layer on the glass)	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	laser way cheaper.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	i was thinking, it's probably something like mg permanganate water solution	[22:47]
kanzure	yeah but nobody is selling me a multi-kilowatt surface mount laser	[22:47]
asciilifeform	kanzure: 'ebay' is.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	or w/e impurity works well for your wavelength	[22:47]
asciilifeform	kanzure: how many do you need ?	[22:47]
asciilifeform	(you don't need to mount the laser itself on the glass! fiber conduit)	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	^	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	laser is cheapest for many reasons	[22:48]
kanzure	ebay is selling surface mount lasers that do >1 kW? hrm /me looks again	[22:48]
kanzure	gah why did you send to me ebay	[22:48]
kanzure	how about alibaba	[22:48]
asciilifeform	if you need 1 - ebay	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform in fairness, he could probably get away even with duct taping resistors on the pane.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	1mil+ - alibaba	[22:49]
kanzure	anyway this is not for micromotion	[22:49]
asciilifeform	then - for what ?	[22:49]
asciilifeform	kanzure: actual engineering usually happens with an objective	[22:50]
kanzure	why can't i just have lots of reusable motion devices? >:(	[22:50]
asciilifeform	can.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	we named how many? 6 ?	[22:50]
cazalla	http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/man-admits-driving-pickup-truck-into-calgary-courts-centre <<< not qntra worthy but man drives his truck into court house, demands they submit to bitcoin lol	[22:51]
assbot	Man admits driving pickup truck into Calgary Courts Centre \| Calgary Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3s09J )	[22:51]
kanzure	let's say powering a conventional cnc machine maybe	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and therein lies your answer. or to quote the shockingly on point tlp, "Think seriously about what she (thinks she) wants: acceptance of her individuality-- by work. Not for her work product-- there is none; but for her individuality, by work.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	First question: which work? Not the job you have, it's real, and it's boring. It is a future "career", the fantasy environment seen on TV dramas where all of life takes place.	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	Second question: why work? Men are not being taught to want their job to value them, in fact, men want as little to do with their jobs as possible. Randi and the globalism party bus are teaching women to want "careers"-- more precisely, to want to draw more of their identity from their careers."	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/563512344308117504 << OTR and ephemeral keys have use cases	[22:51]
kanzure	or car... but it wont really ever be used in a car i hope..	[22:51]
assbot	It's great /JuliaAngwin got GPG donation love. Now OTR needs some too. It's much better crypto in many threat models https://t.co/MvruCAd1Ka	[22:51]
asciilifeform	kanzure: this is a question i've put a great deal of thought in. what do you dislike re: existing actuators for cnc ?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	cazalla sheit ? why not qntra worthy ?	[22:51]
kanzure	asciilifeform: i actually am very fond of linear screw actuators, but i would prefer something that can be manufactured using spatial light modulation with basically zero assembly steps.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo can the otr folks get pointed to the fact that a) openbsd got 20k and b) they'd better get their ass in here and start working up a track record ?	[22:52]
kanzure	mhd looks like it could work	[22:52]
asciilifeform	kanzure: zero assembly steps << hard to improve on mhd	[22:52]
asciilifeform	if you don't need much precision at all, 'muscle wire'	[22:52]
kanzure	i am also fond of things on the order of "resistive heating element + some surface" heh	[22:52]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, i dunno, i guess i'll look into it more and see who he is, really only had a laff and moved on	[22:53]
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mircea_popescu	i like the principle, and the man deserves front page and his picture on the newspaper.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	hopefully more people do exactly the same.	[22:53]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I wouldn't know where to start on that danielpbarron is having some sort of twitter conversation with Weev and just wanted to suggest there might be use cases for the OTR thing.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo me either, which is why i pester you about it :)	[22:54]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: "because the joo's a lazy reader." << pardon?	[22:54]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: otr/'forward secrecy' is simply the practice of generating an ephemeral key for a particular conversation, which is to be discarded later	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes did you actually see the guy's cv ?	[22:54]
ben_vulpes	yes.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[22:55]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Indeed, sort of like gossipd.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, and that's all you had to say ?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: in the event one or the other participant is captured with his equipment, the ephemeral key is (presumably) gone.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	i changed my mind, you're not lazy, you're the heart of tactfulness.	[22:55]
ben_vulpes	kinda what i was going for	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea you're that smooth.	[22:56]
kanzure	asciilifeform: here are some things i was looking at yesterday http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/mems/	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	no wonder you get laid.	[22:56]
kanzure	asciilifeform: i have various parts laying around for homefab of microelectronics (on the order of a few hundred microns but whatever)	[22:56]
kanzure	planning on same system for microfluidics adventures	[22:56]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes just keeps his tact quiet most of the time.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	kanzure alf spent i dunno, a year or os ? trying to build essentially a pick n place / fab lab for cardano	[22:57]
kanzure	basically ghetto projector pointed down microscope tube	[22:57]
asciilifeform	kanzure: assuming you just want linear motion of fluids - you should be able to get what you want from a sheet of glass. etch with co2 laser or hf.	[22:57]
kanzure	have i ever ranted to you about my apt-get for hardware stuff	[22:57]
asciilifeform	wat	[22:57]
kanzure	hmm then i will pencil that in sometime	[22:57]
kanzure	basically i want hardware but i don't want to have to spend my life reading millions of pages of documentation	[22:58]
asciilifeform	kanzure: one could come to a worse fate than 'millions of pages of documentation'	[22:58]
asciilifeform	for one thing, documentation is not even available for the most interesting devices	[22:58]
kanzure	microelectronics vlsi doesn't require millions (well.. i mean.. not to make a single chip)	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	what'd that be, pages of documentation that double every year ?	[22:58]
asciilifeform	except as tiny dribbles of leak	[22:59]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007991 << i didn't want to drive the kid away immediately	[22:59]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2015 06:51:10; ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.	[22:59]
kanzure	that's not what i mean	[22:59]
ben_vulpes	assuming he's not a plant, that is	[22:59]
asciilifeform	and reverse-engineered, at titanic sweat, data, years after said device is out of production	[22:59]
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kanzure	if making anything always requires me to make impossible investments in time and energy then none of the fun stuff will get made	[22:59]
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ben_vulpes	making anything always requires impossible investments of time and energy.	[22:59]
kanzure	that's only because we're idiots	[23:00]
ben_vulpes	impossible's more a function of available time/energy anyways. not an absolute thing.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	no, it's because Ὁ βίος βραχύς, ἡ δὲ τέχνη μακρή, ὁ δὲ καιρὸς ὀξύς, ἡ δὲ πεῖρα σφαλερή, ἡ δὲ κρίσις χαλεπή.	[23:01]
kanzure	asciilifeform: pick and places are getting pretty cheap... though this one might still be out of my budget range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRu02F6AOmg&t=40s	[23:01]
assbot	Fuji CP-643 Chip Shooter 20 Head - Circuit Board Assembly - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEoDEf )	[23:01]
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asciilifeform	kanzure: if you are trying to produce 5,000,000 units of xxx by next tuesday - that 'fuji' is your god and king, and pray to it	[23:02]
asciilifeform	kanzure: if 100 xxx, at home - then why?!?!!	[23:03]
kanzure	i wasn't claiming i was mass manufacturing anything like that at home	[23:03]
kanzure	blah	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	stop getting in the way of dreams and aspirations alfie	[23:04]
asciilifeform	dr34mz	[23:04]
ben_vulpes	[] kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ? << talk about boyhood dreams	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	i built so much errata in pursuit of that thing	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	a fucking waste oil furnace	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	my own flash boiler	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	a reheater	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[23:05]
kanzure	asciilifeform: also.. we should run a (human) selective breeding program for cryoresuscitation-compatibility.	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: what?!	[23:05]
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mircea_popescu	i never was that cool as a boy.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	kanzure: try with smaller organism first ?	[23:06]
kanzure	of course	[23:06]
kanzure	way ahead of you	[23:06]
asciilifeform	kanzure: probably will have more luck with selective breeding for breathing vacuum	[23:06]
kanzure	well why bother with breathing at that point? what?	[23:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00097074 = 2.0386 BTC [+] {3}	[23:06]
decimation	lol that chip shooter is hardcore, but how many bezzlars?	[23:06]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: weren't you killing people and building criminal empires then?	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	allegedly.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	kanzure: what would you be breeding? cell membranes resistant to ice?	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	but building furnaces ? that's like work.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	kanzure: biological 'antifreeze' as in certain frogs ?	[23:07]
ben_vulpes	[] flat enough with one disk << i did my own axle and used HD disks to get better boundary layer performance	[23:07]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: neato	[23:08]
asciilifeform	i think nowadays folks normally build them out of hd platters	[23:08]
asciilifeform	they're nearly perfect for the job as they come	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	incidentally re teh cryo stuff, anyone seen hibernatus ?	[23:08]
ben_vulpes	never got the gas steam bearings to work tho	[23:08]
decimation	mircea_popescu: lol he goes on: "It's probably unnecessary to point out that this increase in lifestyle is built on the increased work product of whoever will do it for 30 cents an hour, and anyway it is a red herring. The real attraction for us isn't just the lifestyle, but that it systematizes-- it makes normal-- not ever wondering: how come we have more lifestyle when we didn't do more work? "	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	decimation the guy's exquisite chjoice of relevant subject matter, and the fearless approach has thoroughly impressed me.	[23:10]
decimation	yeah he makes alot of sense	[23:10]
ben_vulpes	i also kicked around a design for a nifty reciprocal engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils for insta-ac	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	" My face is in my hands and I wonder how anyone could be asked to raise a girl in such a world? Recently a female cardiologist with a "difficult" 10 year old daughter who had been well trained to want things but not control things asked me if I had read "the study in the New York Times"-- !?!?!?!?!?-- that said that people with the same surname, over generations, continued to achieve the same level of wealth, showing	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	"therefore" that genetic factors were more important than the home environment in determining social mobility, isn't that probably true? Having to do this sober I asked her, "But didn't you change your surname 11 years ago? Or are you betting she can just upgrade hers?" What else could I say? If you read it, it's for you?"	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	the divorcing of people's skills from their general ability to think, neatly mirroring the divorce between want and control, and for that matter between capital and power.	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	"how to support the welfare state ? oh, simply cut everyone in two and hide the halves"	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	sounds like fucking plato already.	[23:12]
decimation	re: 30 cents an hour: http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/at-work/tech-careers/massive-worldwide-layoff-underway-at-ibm "At more than 100,000 people, that makes it the largest mass layoff at any U.S. corporation in at least 20 years."	[23:12]
assbot	Massive Worldwide Layoff Underway At IBM - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEq7yl )	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	"you can probably extract some work out of the desperate movements of half people in the environment'	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	decimation from the very log of the very day : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1009373	[23:13]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2015 23:51:15; mircea_popescu: "The one great example is IBM, which faced disruption and existential threat from PCs in the early 1990s and emerged stronger and is still a thriving company. "	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	oh yeah that idiot	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	fintech whatever whatever?	[23:13]
ben_vulpes	dunn something?	[23:13]
decimation	yeah it's thriving alright	[23:13]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Sure, keeps making more dollars for doing less things.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	real estate company for the win.	[23:14]
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decimation	as far as I can gather from employee comments, the 'thriving' at IBM basically consists of brokering indians to write shit code	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	but in the insane story of post-qe world, it makes it's own sort of sense.	[23:14]
BingoBoingo	IBM's probably one of the largest benefactors of fiat world inflation	[23:14]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well << oh let us not get ben_vulpes started on the wonders of steam	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in << that's not a bnad angle.	[23:16]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: "process man" << i guess more accurate than i ever thought	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes didja get on the part of teh log where the entire d&t think you were discussing with danielpbarron etc is dispelled ?	[23:17]
ben_vulpes	hmwat?	[23:17]
ben_vulpes	d and t?	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/	[23:17]
assbot	Gerald Davis is wrong. Here's why. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1D3u819 )	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	the post phillip guy was concerned with.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	^ epic ps0t btw	[23:17]
decimation	re: IBM in the 90's < they didn't 'face disruption', they made one of the largest mistakes in business history	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008091 << bnwahaha	[23:18]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2015 07:23:19; punkman: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	decimation but they made so many!	[23:18]
decimation	they had 30 years of usg/bezzlar computers locked up and were too retarded to market it	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	but no. i suspect that may be missing the point.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	see, they had 30 years locked up, and AS A CONDITION OF THIS LOCK UP they couldn't market it.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	because they had to spend their time instead discussing how young men should wear a tie.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it? << fwiw i believe teh guy's genuine.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	trinque: will my btcd still fart transactions at other nodes if I haven't finished syncing the blockchain? << yes.	[23:21]
ben_vulpes	i don't believe anything	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	except some times.	[23:21]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: the man's talking about btcd, not bitcoind	[23:22]
mod6	ok, i've dumped block 168000	[23:22]
mod6	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vxM6dfwC	[23:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DEroWi )	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	o.O it's text ?!	[23:22]
ben_vulpes	nah, comes from andresens bag of snakes	[23:23]
mod6	haha	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	BLOCK 000000000000099e61ea72015e79632f216fe6cb33d7899acb35b75c8303b763 << it checks out.	[23:23]
ben_vulpes	whaddayamean, "checks out"	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	uhm. there's nothing actually wrong with this block.	[23:24]
mod6	and bag-o-snakes doesn't turn up 168,001 which makes sense, since it chokes on somethingthere	[23:24]
mod6	mircea_popescu: correct.	[23:24]
mod6	take a look at this other test i ran today with /just/ v0.5.3 basecode: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9U2VHnRx	[23:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DErQ6I )	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	mod6 a remote possibility was that your problem somehow came from a bad block, tho i have/had no idea wtf that'd be	[23:25]
ben_vulpes	what was the story with a certain version of ssl breaking some kinds of btc signatures?	[23:25]
mod6	block 168,000 was accepted	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	which is why i asked for dump	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes most recent openssl which bitcoind imports decided to accept as valid padded sigs	[23:25]
mod6	something in block 168,001 makes it puke perhaps from that failed VerifySignature	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	mod6 yes but see, a 168`000 diddled block is a huge issue, because checkpoint.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	a diddled 168`001 block, not even nearly so much.	[23:26]
mod6	maybe it's not a diddled 168,000 block	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	this doesn't seem to be in any way ungood.	[23:27]
mod6	maybe its 168,001 that's hosing us.	[23:27]
ben_vulpes	i think mp's implication is that 168001 is diddled	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	it's not, no.	[23:27]
mod6	well, im just trying to pin it down to where we go wrong.	[23:27]
mod6	i can still provide some sort of binary dump.	[23:27]
mod6	im just gathering data as best/quickly as i can	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	works mod6	[23:28]
mod6	you testing on your end?	[23:28]
mod6	nm.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	well i've not got a wedged one	[23:29]
mod6	that's good!	[23:29]
mod6	which version, which patches?	[23:30]
trinque	mircea_popescu: yeh need the confirmation though to publish	[23:30]
trinque	that drive got destroyed in the process; blockchain on the server's now at like aug 2013	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	mod6 oh the mysterious mp stuff, most of which dates from 2012	[23:31]
mod6	oh, ok.	[23:31]
trinque	I guess I could just ask blockchain.info for the confirmations in the meantime	[23:31]
ben_vulpes	not cockchain!	[23:31]
trinque	ben_vulpes: I don't realy want to...	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	yeah don't drag that in .	[23:32]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: 'process man' << 'Well a process man am I and I'm tellin' you no lie / I work and breathe among the fumes that tread across the sky...'	[23:32]
mod6	yeah, i mean, as recently as the 26th of january I was able to full sync and send/receive with: v053+patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and other people have gotten past it as well. so its not consistant as far as I can tell.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	howling shit whay this log no ends!	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	i've been reading at it all day	[23:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00039794 = 6.4466 BTC [+]	[23:33]
mod6	hmm. anyway, ok. anyway, that's pretty much the latest.	[23:34]
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mod6	so I'll keep digging in the blk0001.dat file to see what I can find in there.	[23:35]
mod6	:]	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	"Once the attack was discovered, Anthem immediately made every effort to close the security vulnerability, contacted the FBI and began fully cooperating with their investigation. Anthem has also retained Mandiant, one of the world’s leading cybersecurity firms, to evaluate our systems and identify solutions based on the evolving landscape."	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	blergh.	[23:36]
ben_vulpes	none of the portatronic builds are wedging like this, right?	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	"dear sheep. we lost your mother. we paid off the government agent for a fix. the fix is in. fuck you."	[23:36]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: danielpbarron's was, no ?	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	not afaik ?	[23:36]
asciilifeform	288888, incidentally.	[23:36]
ben_vulpes	danielpbarron: do you have a wedged portatron?	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	"From the Desk of Joseph R. Swedish President and CEO Anthem, Inc." << "we now act just like warrior forum scammers - it's the industree"	[23:37]
mod6	this is the txhash that it pukes on: http://btc.blockr.io/tx/info/2c2314f353013f920d8fbfde242d7d23ba4cb9b97dc24f481dd0ccfd8f56324c	[23:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DEuolt )	[23:39]
danielpbarron	mine didn't wedge	[23:43]
danielpbarron	height=188068	[23:44]
danielpbarron	it's the porta-tronic-bastard version	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	!rated lobbes	[23:44]
assbot	You have not rated lobbes.	[23:44]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAxujKev1I << reminds me of the time i've spent deep in the bowels of D1X and friends	[23:44]
assbot	The Chemical Worker's Song by Great Big Sea - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DEvv4G )	[23:44]
danielpbarron	i will soon be testing a non-bastard one that i compiled myself	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	!rate lobbes 1 Well... he did teach himself how to view a directory...	[23:44]
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mircea_popescu	omfg done! yay!	[23:46]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: neato	[23:47]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: for 'pogo' ?	[23:47]
danielpbarron	ya	[23:48]
danielpbarron	idk if it'll work yet but i have a bitcoind	[23:48]
danielpbarron	i had to change "make install" to "make install_sw" for the openssl compilation	[23:49]
danielpbarron	that fixed it.	[23:49]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: what version of openssl ?	[23:54]
danielpbarron	same as yours in auto.sh	[23:54]
asciilifeform	building on what platform ?	[23:55]
danielpbarron	the only thing i changed in that file is the make install thing	[23:55]
danielpbarron	gentoo	[23:55]
asciilifeform	odd, then	[23:55]
asciilifeform	should not have had to change anything.	[23:55]
asciilifeform	whatsoever.	[23:55]
danielpbarron	that's the assumption that was holding me back :p	[23:55]
danielpbarron	idk i probably messed something up somewhere	[23:55]
danielpbarron	this is the 2nd time i've sucessfully installed gentoo on something	[23:56]
asciilifeform	66ebbad3c8ad98a07b486d39d0c3ae62b00133f8f2877cf8b97c461e7c7f40b29cf9c3cae82cf73a92dcf1daa63d33aa76c910fbcbe60158589fc7cb48f41e6d openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz	[23:56]
asciilifeform	(sha512)	[23:56]
asciilifeform	what's yours ?	[23:56]
decimation	mircea_popescu: lol anthem is my health insurance	[23:56]
ben_vulpes	danielpbarron: that gets me two up on you	[23:56]
danielpbarron	i can't copy paste it easily right now, but it's the same as that asciilifeform	[23:56]
decimation	they said they would send a special email later when they "figure out" if I am affected or not	[23:56]
decimation	the bigger issue is the fact that you have to keep your social security number a 'secret'	[23:57]
danielpbarron	oh wait i have it hosted already	[23:57]
danielpbarron	http://danielpbarron.com/pogo-build.sh.txt	[23:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DEytpU )	[23:57]
ben_vulpes	ssn secret is best secret	[23:57]
danielpbarron	ctrl+f openssl	[23:57]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: read the makefile	[23:57]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: 'install' is 'all install_docs install_sw'	[23:57]
asciilifeform	i take it you had the latex docs bug ?	[23:57]
danielpbarron	yes	[23:57]
asciilifeform	then safe to ignore.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	decimation well... secret in the sense you're supposed to keep your genitals secret neh ?	[23:59]
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