Forum logs for 04 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation I was watching incoming packets on my main router [00:00]
decimation went from something to zero, but it took about 30 seconds [00:00]
cazalla sorta interesting if ya australia, not qntra newsworthy on account i would be stuck writing abc business converts bitcoin to fiat 24/7 otherwise [00:00]
assbot Webjet Exclusives trials Bitcoin payments - CIO ... ( ) [00:00]
mircea_popescu cazalla can't even be bothered to bet on it. "they'll make a bitcoin's worth of sales the first week, then half a bitcoin the next year and then that's that." [00:01]
mircea_popescu "driving adoption" the reddit way. [00:01]
cazalla well, at least they had the sense to avoid zhou's coinjar by going with bitpos instead [00:03]
cazalla might raise the eyebrow of vexual, think we're the only 2 aussies.. [00:04]
asciilifeform re: ddos: i'm still at a loss at how snmp/ntp amplification ddosnets can carry on existing without a 'tragedy of the commons' situation - recall, anyone here could in principle invoke the chumpnet at any time [00:04]
asciilifeform by sending precisely the same kind of forged packets the idiot sends [00:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform cause we don't give a shit ? [00:04]
decimation who am I gonna spam? [00:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: well yes. but it also appears that no one, anywhere, gives a shit [00:05]
mircea_popescu there's this very narrow lost demographic, mostly at the periphery of the world, made up of kids smart enough to be able to do it but dumb enough to not have anything better to do. [00:05]
asciilifeform consider, any spammer in need of a ddosnet can simply walk into #b-a [00:05]
mircea_popescu it is really very very narrow. [00:05]
asciilifeform and get one for free [00:05]
mircea_popescu like, toothbrush sidewalk cleaners. [00:05]
asciilifeform lol [00:05]
asciilifeform that has to be it. [00:05]
asciilifeform i can't picture any other explanation, presently [00:05]
mircea_popescu if you can do it with a toothbrush you could ... restore art, or make your own, or be a surgeon or etc. [00:05]
decimation maybe someone should compile the list of broken devices and sell it on -otc? [00:05]
mircea_popescu decimation but the people who could do it could get it anyway [00:06]
asciilifeform decimation: kakobrekla and i already posted, for free... [00:06]
mircea_popescu and anyone else a) doesn't hjave the money and b) would just be happy to send you support tickets [00:06]
asciilifeform they also are not especially hard to scan for in the wild [00:06]
mircea_popescu because the webwhrores charge for talking to them [00:06]
asciilifeform which also helps to explain the disinterest [00:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform also relevant : [00:06]
assbot O hai let me wanna-be! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [00:07]
mircea_popescu chumps are routinely downed for their troubles. but "dunno what it was ?!?!?!" [00:07]
decimation mircea_popescu: the guy is persistant, I would grant that though [00:08]
asciilifeform how much persistence does it take to leave an automaton going. [00:08]
decimation I'm not sure what point he is making, other than helping sort newbies here [00:08]
mircea_popescu in the sense that a nineteen year old with a very messy room is a persistent masturbator, sure. [00:08]
decimation well, presumably he has other people to harass for profit [00:08]
mircea_popescu lol [00:08]
mircea_popescu hey, want this bridge btw ? i'm selling it. [00:08]
mircea_popescu i make a lot of money selling bridges. [00:09]
asciilifeform on the days when b-a noobs are unmolested, presumably someone else is being serviced [00:09]
mircea_popescu online. [00:09]
decimation are you a professional with a license? [00:09]
mircea_popescu i am a successful online bridge merchant. [00:09]
asciilifeform bridge like a pro in twenty-one days. [00:09]
mircea_popescu i can have my customers contact you if you wish [00:09]
mircea_popescu i am the one that sold the ukalele guggenheim bridge in abudja [00:10]
asciilifeform [00:10]
assbot twenty-one days book - Google Search ... ( ) [00:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104219 @ 0.00037237 = 38.808 BTC [+] {2} [00:10]
decimation learn to write twenty-one days books in just twenty-one days [00:10]
asciilifeform i have this notion that the original was the cpp one. [00:11]
mircea_popescu "my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one day book authors" [00:11]
asciilifeform 'learn c++ in 21 days' [00:11]
mircea_popescu "my twenty-one days dating twenty-one twenty-one years old twenty-one day book authors" [00:12]
asciilifeform some wag had a (unfortunately parodic) 'learn to code in 21 years' [00:12]
mircea_popescu how i learned twenty one languages twenty one times in twenty one days [00:13]
cazalla mircea_popescu, [00:13]
assbot Log In ... ( ) [00:13]
mircea_popescu wait wut [00:13]
mircea_popescu a that. yeah. [00:14]
cazalla figured it was new aspect to that story, don't remember reading in logs he planned to arrest that chick [00:14]
mircea_popescu yeah it was one of the numerous points making a juicy press story [00:15]
mircea_popescu anyway, he can't actually do it. you can;t arrest a president. [00:16]
mircea_popescu however, her term's about over, after which... [00:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im pretty sure it was. [00:17]
mircea_popescu early 90s [00:17]
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mod6 incase anyone was interested, here's my errors from yesterday: [00:29]
assbot ... ( ) [00:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108850 @ 0.00037444 = 40.7578 BTC [+] {2} [00:29]
decimation << "But the first report on the class of 2015 from the respected National Association of Colleges and Employers (NACE), which conducts multiple surveys of employers’ hiring intentions throughout the year, projects a 9% drop in the salaries of new computer science bachelor's degree graduates, from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this [00:33]
decimation year." [00:33]
assbot Another funny thing happened on the way to the STEM shortage | Science Careers ... ( ) [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130795 @ 0.00036764 = 48.0855 BTC [-] [00:40]
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mike_c jurov: please and ty: [00:51]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Please deposit s.qntr shares - ... ( ) [00:51]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 109753 @ 0.00037063 = 40.6778 BTC [+] [12:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32396 @ 0.00037063 = 12.0069 BTC [+] [12:05]
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mircea_popescu o hey, first antarctica bitcoin tx ? [12:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 277142 @ 0.00036543 = 101.276 BTC [-] {3} [12:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78558 @ 0.00035949 = 28.2408 BTC [-] [12:12]
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mircea_popescu mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001. [12:15]
mircea_popescu this causes oom errors because narrow space for orphans. [12:15]
mircea_popescu it MAY be a subtle off-by-one error somewhere in the code. [12:15]
mircea_popescu note that none of the blocvks you receive match your sent getdata. [12:16]
mircea_popescu the fact that no checkpoints means no error would perhaps bolster the "bad code, off by one" hypothesis and relate it to the checkpoints implementation. [12:19]
mircea_popescu decimation: from $67,300 in 2014 to $61,287 this << remember the lulzy "need immigration to maintain geniusness of industree" paul graham nonsense ? [12:20]
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mircea_popescu aka "too many english speakers read trilema, lol @ us, need fresh turnip trucks plox" [12:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54972 @ 0.00038081 = 20.9339 BTC [+] {2} [12:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: swapping is the more or less one guaranteed way to ruin an arbitrarily good ssd. << while the principle is correct, in point of fact i would like this experimentally tried in our current case. [12:27]
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mircea_popescu roughly speaking, my rationale is like this : because a large chunk of fixed data is always present (the actual blockchain), should a 100gb ssd be blessed with a 4gb swap partition, the drive finds itself in the position where the 100gb * 10k (say) writes are available as such : 100gb of them for the actual data, and 100gb * 9999 for the 4gb partition. [12:28]
mircea_popescu obviously 250`000 full rewrites of the swap means a decade or more of intense usage, and so, a perfectly economic use of the ssd in question. [12:28]
mircea_popescu so danielpbarron, if you feel like trying a generous swap on one of the pogos, with the understanding that the ssd disk you put in there will likely fry, please do so, and document the exeriment as well as possible. [12:29]
danielpbarron k [12:29]
mircea_popescu it's an ideal usecase for the "use ssd until it fries" because the value of running a pogo is in its running. so a pogo that ran for 3.5 years then died, had part replaced and resynced over three weeks then ran for another 3.5 years is a perfectly functional, 99.999% uptime pogo as good as any other. [12:32]
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mircea_popescu same can almost never be said of catastrophic failure hdd system. [12:32]
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thestringpuller who cares about hdd's frying when you gotz da raidz [12:38]
thestringpuller hot swap those bitches [12:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 169000 @ 0.00039079 = 66.0435 BTC [+] {3} [12:38]
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thestringpuller << so bitpay is going the way of dogecoin [12:42]
thestringpuller "Mass Adoption! Ya ya ya!" [12:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: bitcoin could handily run under 100MB constant if the whole bastards thing were somehow bulldozed << yeah it's one of those serious issues that should have been on teh priority list of actual core devs. in 2012. [12:43]
mircea_popescu mod6: it seems like the growing thought seems to be to get a list of 50300 active nodes and seed those directly into the R.I., or am I misunderstanding that?? << completely misunderstanding that. [12:44]
mircea_popescu the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else. [12:44]
thestringpuller RE Tax man accepting bitcoin from yesterday logs: [12:44]
thestringpuller o look mircea_popescu the author is in your neck of the woods: "Belén Marty is the Libertarian Latina, a journalist based in Buenos Aires, Argentina." [12:46]
mircea_popescu she can figure out how to get in here like anyone else. [12:46]
mircea_popescu my neck of the woods is a city larger than all of california. [12:46]
fluffypony [12:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166400 @ 0.00038906 = 64.7396 BTC [-] [12:50]
mircea_popescu heh [12:50]
mircea_popescu cazalla: i think it is interesting to note that qntra has surpassed a competing site, founded in april 2014 << i have never heard of it, but mebbe ask em if they want to join in ? [12:52]
mircea_popescu seems a lone guy with enough irl acumen to make a corp. [12:52]
mircea_popescu punkman: "There’s a distinction between the Internet and IRL for a reason. We are here in IRL, and we have to make judgements in IRL." - Ulbricht's lawyer << did he actually point to the distinction or merely presume it ? [12:52]
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mircea_popescu assbot: Bonafide Raises $850k to Build Reputation System for Bitcoin << pics! [12:59]
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fluffypony lol [13:00]
mircea_popescu (that's what the azns call a love hotel, above. and that's a [cheap] whore cafe) [13:00]
mircea_popescu mthreat: Here's exactly where I am, for the details << yeh but how are we to verify! [13:02]
mircea_popescu maybe you're hanging out with capitanich all along! [13:02]
punkman mircea_popescu: I presume the guy's closing argument was him flapping his hands [13:03]
mircea_popescu lol [13:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 118900 @ 0.00038906 = 46.2592 BTC [-] [13:12]
mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo << for your editorial consideration. [13:13]
assbot Title : IBL, almost larger than IRL. First ever (as far as we currently know - ... ( ) [13:13]
mircea_popescu "Bitnplay's failure to launch comes off the back of what can only be described as a disappointing result in an attempt to raise 400 BTC. Offering a total of 200 tokens to investors via CounterParty, Bitnplay managed to sell a grand total of 5, netting them 10 BTC." [13:16]
mircea_popescu lawl. [13:16]
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mircea_popescu wouldn't that slow it down futher ? cpu wise i mean [13:19]
mircea_popescu and also, isn't it merged into kernel by now ? [13:19]
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jurov it must be enabled in any case [13:22]
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jurov compressed in-memory swap is not suitable for everything by default [13:23]
mircea_popescu this is true. [13:23]
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PeterL mircea_popescu:the plan is to put wot-member signed nodes in and nothing else. << add another command to assbot to collect ip addrs? [13:28]
mircea_popescu nah, people can just use deedbot [13:29]
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jurov half of our condo got flooded from somewhere two stories above. phun. [13:31]
jurov i've got only a puddle fortunately. [13:32]
mircea_popescu what aobut the people one story above ? enjoying the free water ? [13:32]
jurov yea "tomorrow we have a visitation at work i was not sleeping at night last few days and now this!!!" [13:35]
mircea_popescu visitation ?! [13:35]
mircea_popescu that's jesus showing up you know. [13:36]
jurov lolk [13:36]
jurov inspection [13:36]
mircea_popescu i liked visitaiton better :D makes the story lulzier [13:37]
jurov tap water is off. time to open beer! [13:38]
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danielpbarron height=183146 [13:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35177 @ 0.00038906 = 13.686 BTC [-] [13:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00039001 = 65.0342 BTC [+] {4} [14:04]
asciilifeform 275384 [14:05]
mircea_popescu gee, almost fully synced ? [14:10]
mircea_popescu has it even been a full week ? [14:11]
mircea_popescu << check it out, mako guy actually published my comment. [14:11]
davout asciilifeform: that's the pogo?? [14:11]
assbot Cultivated Disinterest in Professional Sports | copyrighteous ... ( ) [14:11]
mircea_popescu where's that head explosion gif [14:11]
mircea_popescu davout afaik it's a pc with memory restraints and valgrind [14:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ~3 days [14:12]
asciilifeform davout: nope. bastard node test on x86. [14:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no restraints on that box, just valgrind [14:13]
mircea_popescu oh oh [14:13]
mircea_popescu so how much memory ? [14:13]
asciilifeform 8g [14:14]
mircea_popescu yeah well then not saying much. [14:14]
mircea_popescu you still got a pogo running ? [14:14]
asciilifeform not presently [14:14]
asciilifeform disassembled for attachment of jtag probes [14:14]
asciilifeform but didn't quite get around to it yet [14:14]
asciilifeform i promised folks a working buildroot for that thing [14:14]
asciilifeform also jurov's zram idea is actually a good one [14:15]
asciilifeform there's cpu to spare [14:16]
davout !s if you can't stop fucking with it [14:16]
assbot 1 results for 'if you can't stop fucking with it' : [14:16]
davout :D [14:16]
asciilifeform davout: funnily enough i've a second [14:16]
asciilifeform davout: but it's reserved for autodefloration test [14:16]
asciilifeform davout: haven't even taken it out of the crate yet [14:16]
mircea_popescu there's cpu to spare << funnily enough, what the power rangers wish to fix is... cpu speed. [14:17]
mircea_popescu with a change of curves. [14:17]
asciilifeform wai srsly? [14:17]
davout i tried getting a pogo on amazon, for some retarded reason the price in euros is like 60 [14:17]
mircea_popescu ask davout he was there :D [14:17]
asciilifeform this was actually shat forth? [14:17]
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davout and if i buy in usd i have like ~50 USD shipping [14:17]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu but you don't watch sports [14:18]
mircea_popescu davout would it make sense to make a large buy in us and ship to eu ? [14:18]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i also don't watch porn. doesn't mean i can't discuss itcompetently. [14:18]
asciilifeform davout: at least you can get it, in theory; iirc in the land of the colocolo and ocelot they cannot be had except by human courier [14:18]
davout mircea_popescu: i'll look a bit harder if i can't find them for cheaper first [14:18]
mircea_popescu kk [14:19]
thestringpuller Do you like golf? that seems like a sport you'd enjoy [14:19]
asciilifeform over here i can order now and it'll show by 8'oclock today [14:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, get me like a dozen, bring em over at conference. [14:19]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: do you ever leave the house? [14:19]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: you remind me of sean connery in Finding Forrester. [14:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: certainly. [14:20]
mircea_popescu wh ty. [14:20]
mircea_popescu i dunno how bulky they are/what they weigh, but w/e's convenient. [14:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: do we wish them to remain in their original crates? [14:20]
mircea_popescu i don't care. [14:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: then - naked. [14:21]
mircea_popescu not that specific about number, either, just, bring as many as you can carry. [14:21]
jurov [14:21]
assbot Cloud Engines Pogoplug Biz USB NAS Adapter: Computer & Zubehör ... ( ) [14:21]
jurov "only" 23+5 eur [14:21]
jurov and that if you know anyone in germany [14:21]
asciilifeform jurov, davout: incidentally, 'pogo' is not the only supplier of this kind of thing. 'seagate' has a device with, iirc, identical pcb [14:21]
asciilifeform and a few others [14:21]
asciilifeform i just picked the price winner. [14:22]
asciilifeform from my own perch [14:22]
asciilifeform might vary elsewhere [14:22]
mircea_popescu im actually having most courriers drag a bag of the shits on their way. [14:22]
davout asciilifeform: ah nice, if you have a list i'd be interdasted in looking into it [14:22]
mircea_popescu it'll get to where customs will be able to entirely identify my network by keepying track of bags of pogos ffs. [14:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173085 @ 0.0003925 = 67.9359 BTC [+] {2} [14:22]
punkman who manufactures the pogo? [14:22]
punkman globalscale? [14:22]
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asciilifeform punkman: i have not yet discovered the answer to this. [14:23]
punkman ah cloud engines maybe [14:23]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: do you ever leave the house << i do have a day job, as i think i mentioned. it doesn't have fixed hours as such, but i'm away from my perch fairly often. [14:24]
davout i'm starting to suspect you can't get them in yurp without some kind of subscription [14:24]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu soon to become the han solo of Argentina. [14:24]
asciilifeform brb teatime [14:24]
thestringpuller ^- this guy makes me happy [14:25]
mircea_popescu davout if all else fails you can have some of mine, also at conference o.O [14:25]
davout re pogo plug in europe -> [14:25]
assbot ... ( ) [14:25]
mircea_popescu this is starting to be so much like soviet russia in 1985 it boggles the mind. [14:25]
mircea_popescu 90 euros wtf ?! [14:25]
davout ikr [14:25]
mircea_popescu hm, ok, this is highly suspekt. [14:26]
punkman loss leader only in bezzleland [14:26]
mircea_popescu clearly. [14:26]
fluffypony I ordered two off eBay [14:26]
punkman there has to be some chinese knockoff [14:26]
mircea_popescu fluffypony how much were they ? did you get them ? [14:26]
fluffypony lemme check price [14:26]
fluffypony they're in country at customs, should be delivered [14:27]
fluffypony by Monday at the latest [14:27]
fluffypony it's through eBay's Global Shipping Program [14:27]
davout in two weeks(tm) [14:27]
fluffypony so via Fedex [14:27]
fluffypony and you pay for customs / duties up-front [14:27]
fluffypony [14:27]
assbot New Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device | eBay ... ( ) [14:27]
fluffypony so for two I paid [14:28]
punkman still $50+ [14:28]
fluffypony ORDER TOTAL US $52.60 [14:28]
fluffypony + US $20.74 shipping [14:28]
fluffypony + US $16.26 customs [14:28]
mod6 << completely misunderstanding that. << ok gotcha. [14:29]
fluffypony $44.80 including delivery and customs (per Pogo) [14:29]
mircea_popescu aha [14:29]
mod6 mircea_popescu: mod6 persuing your error log : it would seem to me that for some reason your peers keep pumping you with blocks height=168002 and over, whereas yotu never get height=168001. << see line 40 of this paste: [14:29]
assbot root@ip-W-X-Y-Z:/mnt/btc-dev/sandbox/bitcoin-bitcoin-a8def6b/src# date Wed Feb - ... ( ) [14:29]
mod6 or internal log number: 1805961 [14:29]
mircea_popescu o wow [14:30]
mod6 1805961 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 work=243841112905690411140 [14:30]
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mircea_popescu invalid block=0000000000000a40136b << can oyu dig this thing up and post it please ? [14:30]
mod6 anyway, just thought i'd stop in and update you quick. thanks for looking!! [14:30]
mod6 dig it up from ? the debug log? [14:31]
mircea_popescu ideally as a signed blob on the mailing list. "This is block 0000000000000a40136b, reported as invalid so and so" [14:31]
mod6 i can't do much more from where i'm at right now, 'cept google perhaps. [14:31]
thestringpuller jurov: thestringpuller: lol ryanxcharles, bitcoin should be written in node.js ?? you aware of this? << good stuff. buttcoin seems to have more real people than r/bitcoin [14:31]
mod6 ah. ok yeah, i can do that tonight. [14:31]
mircea_popescu no no, dig it up from your memory pool i guess [14:31]
mircea_popescu no huge rush [14:31]
mircea_popescu but it'll have to be dissected. [14:31]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller that's because it has fewer. [14:31]
mod6 mircea_popescu: ok. i'll check back in tonight, see what I can do. [14:33]
mircea_popescu cool. [14:33]
punkman < various other plugs listed here [14:34]
assbot Platforms | Arch Linux ARM ... ( ) [14:34]
jurov *Due to overwhelming demand, we are currently out of stock in the UK and Europe. [14:36]
assbot Pogoplug Devices: Back Up, Access and Share From Anywhere ... ( ) [14:37]
mircea_popescu heh. [14:37]
punkman does the pogoplug need any proprietary blobs? [14:39]
mircea_popescu nop [14:39]
trinque my btcd for deedbot has been belching about orphan blocks for a day, ever since it got to about two days ago in the blockchain [14:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104750 @ 0.00039253 = 41.1175 BTC [+] [14:44]
mircea_popescu horribru error report. [14:44]
mthreat <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! << I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible! [14:46]
mircea_popescu o hey cool going! [14:46]
thestringpuller "Getting fired from reddit sucks, but the support I've received from the bitcoin community is incredible. Free market social safety net." << "Why work when you can get donations for being a 'victim'." [14:46]
thestringpuller my god [14:47]
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thestringpuller d00d gets fired for being unemployable so derps will throw money at him so he can eat? this is definition of socialism no?!?!? [14:47]
mircea_popescu eh simmer down. what money. [14:49]
thestringpuller changetip / "attempts" at crowdfunding / "pledges" / and other various donations. [14:50]
trinque thestringpuller: what do you have against kim kardashian's ass? [14:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 134000 @ 0.00038018 = 50.9441 BTC [-] {2} [14:52]
thestringpuller trinque: i don't think I do have an issue with her badonkadonk. it's not my problem? [14:52]
mircea_popescu changetip ? srsly ? [14:52]
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trinque thestringpuller: twas just a joke about the various forms of internet celebrity theater [14:53]
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thestringpuller i have minor respect for kim cause she released sex tape and made career after that [14:53]
thestringpuller but i guess her dad made deal with devil when defending OJ so whole family can have money [14:53]
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nubbins` thestringpuller, if her dad was anyone else, she would not have made a "career" out of a sex tape [14:54]
thestringpuller ^- that was my point [14:54]
nubbins` a career on redtube, maybe [14:54]
nubbins` so unless you're saying you respect her because her dad went to law school... [14:54]
nubbins` no entiendo [14:54]
nubbins` see also paris hilton [14:55]
thestringpuller well her career improved vs. say paris hilton [14:55]
mircea_popescu nubbins` orly? who was her dad ? [14:55]
nubbins` mircea_popescu oj simpson lawyer [14:55]
mircea_popescu o wow srsly ? [14:55]
nubbins` yes [14:55]
thestringpuller robert kardashian [14:55]
mircea_popescu hadno idea. [14:55]
nubbins` this is the only reason her face is everywhere [14:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, girl's got a great ass. that's an... asset. [14:55]
nubbins` oj's lawyer's daughter sucking cock on film [14:55]
mircea_popescu no it's not. [14:55]
thestringpuller you know everyone on cochran's team who defended oj is dead [14:55]
mircea_popescu she is objectively a hot woman, and she understands feminity well enough to behave rationally. [14:56]
nubbins` sure. the world is full of objectively hot women, many of them hotter than her [14:56]
mircea_popescu one could argue idiotic us internet feminism is to blame for reducing her competition, at most. [14:56]
nubbins` (objectively) [14:56]
mircea_popescu right. but they're stupid and fat. [14:56]
nubbins` so's the rest of her famous family [14:58]
mircea_popescu what do i care about her family. [14:58]
nubbins` all of a sudden it's about you?! [14:59]
nubbins` [14:59]
assbot kardashian gossip - Google Search ... ( ) [14:59]
thestringpuller "armenians are the black version of white people" [14:59]
nubbins` [15:00]
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thestringpuller her husband has higher net worth than her [15:00]
nubbins` y'know, this would probably still be international news if this woman wasn't the sister of the porn star oj simpson lawyer daughter [15:00]
thestringpuller and kanye is a shitty businessman [15:00]
nubbins` if there's one thing that would make me permanently switch supermarkets, it'd be a couple of checkout aisles free from gossip mags [15:01]
nubbins` even just one [15:01]
thestringpuller because Jay-Z associates with these people rather than being a true G is why Dr. Dre beat him to the billionaire club. [15:01]
nubbins` A++++++ would wait in line again [15:01]
thestringpuller nubbins`: Whole Foods doesn't have gossip mags [15:02]
trinque nubbins`: I don't see them at whole foods or zuppans [15:02]
thestringpuller but it's replaced with "hipster mags" [15:02]
nubbins` i thought dre made it because he was a killer producer [15:02]
trinque yeh [15:02]
mircea_popescu you know, since i don't watch tv or supermarket, i may not be as aggressed as you are by this shit :D [15:02]
nubbins` t*: we don't have "whole foods" here. [15:02]
nubbins` mircea_popescu it's slightly more assaulting than billboard ads [15:02]
thestringpuller marketing is rape [15:02]
nubbins` i haven't "watched tv" in maybe 7 years [15:02]
nubbins` 8 if you count english-language [15:03]
trinque yelling on the street corner != rape [15:03]
mircea_popescu anyway, i much prefer kim to say michelle obama. [15:03]
mircea_popescu not to mention out and out idiots a la hess or whatever, goodman. [15:03]
mircea_popescu more girls like kim plox. [15:03]
thestringpuller nubbins`: dre is a killer producer, but not nearly the same genius as say quincy jones. He made great business bets in comparison to Jay-Z. [15:03]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: [15:03]
nubbins` thestringpuller he also stepped out of his comfort zone. guy produced a NIN album! [15:04]
nubbins` trinque +1 [15:04]
thestringpuller nubbins`: yea the fragile. [15:04]
nubbins` marketing is an assault on the sensibilities of all reasonable people [15:04]
mircea_popescu yelling on the street corner != rape <<< seems exactly what it come to mean these days. [15:04]
thestringpuller nubbins`: that as only one track tho, and that's cause Trent and Dre were friends throughout the late 90's. [15:04]
nubbins` too true [15:05]
nubbins` [15:05]
assbot Dr. Dre production discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [15:05]
nubbins` anyway [15:05]
nubbins` not really my thing but w/e. guy knows how to make money [15:05]
thestringpuller ^- that's my point [15:06]
thestringpuller and Jay-Z associates with people who don't. [15:07]
thestringpuller which is why Dre beat him to Billionaire land [15:07]
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asciilifeform anybody bother to look into the competitors of 'pogo' (seagate nas, etc.) ? [15:12]
trinque <<< LOL [15:14]
assbot What's New in systemd, 2015 Edition ... ( ) [15:14]
nubbins` i think seagate has a cloud thing but it's $$$ [15:14]
nubbins` there's no "buy it w/o the drive" version [15:15]
asciilifeform nubbins`: they have a whole line [15:15]
trinque among other lols, they want to eat docker, manage your firewall, make the logger speak http... [15:15]
asciilifeform incl. one that looked quite like pogo, physically [15:15]
asciilifeform (small pedestal for single drive.) [15:15]
punkman [15:15]
punkman also $13 [15:15]
assbot Seagate FreeAgent Go Dock+ with 3 Powered USB Ports 100563416 (White): Electronics ... ( ) [15:15]
asciilifeform there we go [15:15]
asciilifeform that's the one [15:15]
asciilifeform or actually no. [15:16]
nubbins` is that not literally just a usb hub with a hdd attachment? [15:16]
asciilifeform that's an analogue cradle [15:16]
nubbins` [15:16]
assbot Seagate Central 2TB Personal Cloud Storage NAS STCG2000100: Computers & Tablets ... ( ) [15:16]
nubbins` ^ nb price for 2tb [15:16]
asciilifeform it was, iirc, the 'goflex' [15:17]
mircea_popescu trinque lmao. it's so funnay. [15:17]
nubbins` asciilifeform i have a goflex, it's just a hdd with a cradle [15:18]
nubbins` maybe the "dockstar"? [15:18]
nubbins` ;;google seagate dockstar [15:18]
asciilifeform hm [15:18]
gribble Seagate FreeAgent DockStar Network Adapter ...: ; DockStar | Seagate: ; Seagate DockStar | Arch Linux ARM: [15:18]
nubbins` first one [15:18]
asciilifeform [15:18]
assbot Seagate GoFlexNet [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( ) [15:18]
asciilifeform ^ that one [15:18]
nubbins` o [15:18]
nubbins` i have "goflex desk" [15:18]
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nubbins` i also have a "goflex tv" which might fit the bill. [15:19]
mircea_popescu "minimal firewall support, which is service oriented. Ie: allow Apache access in the firewall instead of saying "allow port :80″ access." [15:19]
asciilifeform incidentally, above link has jtag mapping that ought to work for all the marvell boards [15:19]
mircea_popescu happens to be the longest idiocy on linux forums. noob user on ubuntu moved from windows "how do i get zone alarm for linux" [15:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: lemme guess, string/path matching [15:19]
mircea_popescu answer, always "stupid idea, forget it. [15:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: like winblows phirewall [15:20]
mircea_popescu noob, usually "fu why so elitist" [15:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform apparently they fell out of the windows tree and hit every branch on the way down. [15:20]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: now try expanded mindfuck. think of what this picture will look like once apple implodes. [15:20]
mircea_popescu the notion that someone still takes this guy seriously is irreconcilable with the notion that people are born human. [15:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it will look excellent : us on top of the world. [15:21]
mircea_popescu to quote myself, "people we don't like fighting each other, an ode" [15:21]
mircea_popescu "networkd: because networking is such a basic function of the OS, he believes it should be in systemd" [15:22]
mircea_popescu hehehehe [15:22]
asciilifeform the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate [15:22]
mircea_popescu "systemd wrote their own dhcp library" [15:22]
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asciilifeform this, in effect, is what i'm seeing in apple [15:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44954 @ 0.0003785 = 17.0151 BTC [-] [15:22]
mircea_popescu "out of bits and pieces nsa had lying around for a decade or so" [15:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i saw those in mass. [15:23]
asciilifeform when it finally pops, all of those folks will come screaming into what's left of 'entry linux' [15:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they're in the whole east usa [15:23]
mircea_popescu they don't actually eat the wood tho. but suck the tree dry anyway [15:23]
asciilifeform leaves [15:23]
asciilifeform pick'em clean [15:23]
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mircea_popescu "combining nspawn (containers) and networkd (dhcp) allows for easier network management of containers. Networkd can also run inside the container. Outside the container networkd can pick a free DHCP IP for that container. Allows v4 to v6 network masquarading automatically. Does not involve dnsmasq, everything is routed via IP on the kernel (no bridging)." [15:24]
trinque looks like they want to kill etc too [15:24]
mircea_popescu this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer" [15:24]
asciilifeform kill etc << apple killed it long ago [15:24]
asciilifeform the systemd folks are emulating apple, not (intentionally) microshit [15:24]
nubbins` seems goflex tv is based on realtek 1073 [15:24]
trinque mircea_popescu: this is *absolutely* about some kind of "managed linux" thing on your phone/tablet/whatever [15:25]
mircea_popescu "cast nameserver resolution, as used by Windows" [15:25]
trinque big wink at the camera there [15:26]
mircea_popescu journald-remoting: the binary logger now has remote support (aka: remoting) via HTTP (instead of the syslog protocol, which isn't standardized (ie: no timezones, single-line logs only, ...) [15:26]
nubbins` ethernet, usb built in as well [15:26]
mircea_popescu ahahaha, syslog is "not standardized" [15:26]
mircea_popescu systemd crap, is. [15:26]
mircea_popescu ok enough of this idiocy for one day. [15:26]
asciilifeform embrace/extend/extinguish, mega-snore. [15:26]
nubbins` oh, that's a MIPS processor [15:26]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i found the box in question. seagate's 'freeagent dockstar' [15:27]
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nubbins` [14:44:17] <+nubbins`> maybe the "dockstar"? [15:27]
nubbins` +1 [15:27]
asciilifeform aha [15:27]
asciilifeform that was it [15:27]
nubbins` what sorta chip's that running on? [15:27]
nubbins` marvell kirkwood [15:27]
nubbins` 1200mhz! [15:27]
chetty this is such a brilliant approach to "user has no control of their computer"//won't be long till the computer controls the user [15:28]
asciilifeform circa '09, however [15:28]
asciilifeform can't determine if still made [15:28]
nubbins` asciilifeform is linux on MIPS a thing i should bother looking into re: goflex tv? [15:28]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i'm speaking through a mips/bsd box right now [15:28]
nubbins` ah [15:28]
nubbins` [15:29]
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nubbins` ^ that's what i've got kicking around [15:29]
nubbins` will fit a SATA drive inside, altho mine currently only uses thumbdrives for storage [15:29]
felipelalli Let me ask one thing guys about MPEx website: why not the total shared issued is displayed at ? Wouldn't it be a useful information? I could find this info on but I think it is handy to display on the stock page. Thanks. [15:30]
asciilifeform nubbins`: video thing? [15:30]
mircea_popescu chetty given some users, this would be a net gain. [15:30]
assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [15:30]
nubbins` yeah, little media player. [15:30]
nubbins` netflix, youtube, etc players built in as well [15:30]
ben_vulpes buenos [15:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89971 @ 0.00039278 = 35.3388 BTC [+] {2} [15:30]
nubbins` unfortunately the netflix app is hard-coded to USA service (!!!!) [15:31]
mircea_popescu felipelalli because it keeps changing. [15:31]
nubbins` so useless to me from the get-go for that [15:31]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: thank you. [15:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48929 @ 0.00039342 = 19.2496 BTC [+] [15:31]
mircea_popescu just in case. [15:32]
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felipelalli mircea_popescu: are there a place where I can find the current total shares or just reading the statements? [15:32]
mircea_popescu well yes,. the statements [15:32]
mircea_popescu this is how all stock exchanges work, incidentally. [15:33]
mircea_popescu the exchange engine itself is not aware of the conventions regarding the corporation. those are registered separately. [15:33]
mircea_popescu more importantly : you should not trade a stock you've not read the reports for. [15:33]
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ben_vulpes funny news [15:36]
ben_vulpes our municipal client now requires that we carry "cyber liability insurance" [15:36]
mircea_popescu lol wassat ? [15:36]
asciilifeform wai wat [15:37]
ben_vulpes FUCK IF I KNOW [15:37]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: thanks, makes sense. [15:37]
mircea_popescu clearly you need it then. [15:37]
mircea_popescu "#1 Online Agent for Cyber Liability Insurance 175,000 businesses served since 1997" - "insureon" [15:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67371 @ 0.00039353 = 26.5125 BTC [+] {2} [15:37]
ben_vulpes more bezzletronic scams. [15:38]
ben_vulpes insurance! scam! [15:38]
mircea_popescu i just put a "get online quote" for "stock brokers" [15:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 273618 @ 0.00039426 = 107.8766 BTC [+] {4} [15:38]
mircea_popescu because yeah, totally. that's how it works. you pick "stock brokers" from a list containing stuff like "laundry services" and get a quote [15:39]
asciilifeform by the pound? [15:39]
ben_vulpes how does one pick a stock broker? [15:39]
mircea_popescu "What is the zip code of your primary business location?" [15:39]
* ben_vulpes is a pauper, wouldn't know [15:39]
mircea_popescu check it out, the zip where my stock brokering is primarily stock brokered. [15:39]
* ben_vulpes barely qualifies for the explicitly front-run brokers [15:39]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes kinda like you pick a girlfriend : have your friends recommend someone. [15:39]
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mircea_popescu anyway, maybe tell them it's THEIR job to get insurance ? as you're not actually keeping their dbs ? or are you ? [15:40]
ben_vulpes girls just show up in my life - stockbrokers, not so much. [15:40]
ben_vulpes it's on some paas-y thing [15:41]
mircea_popescu seems like a sad attempt to pass costs along to contractors. [15:41]
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ben_vulpes fuck that i ain't holding no bags [15:41]
mircea_popescu anyway, tell them it'll be ~4500 more per month, and as if they're sure. [15:41]
ben_vulpes actually its fine [15:41]
ben_vulpes dev shops should carry more responsibility for produced work anyways. [15:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70502 @ 0.0003785 = 26.685 BTC [-] [15:42]
mircea_popescu the db leak liability attaches to operator. [15:42]
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mircea_popescu unless they're paying you for saas, in which case, i would hope you're executing them six to eight digits anually. [15:42]
ben_vulpes mnah [15:42]
ben_vulpes commodity saas vendor, we just write and derploy der coden [15:42]
mircea_popescu welllll in THAT case... [15:42]
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asciilifeform [15:45]
assbot DealsMachine: V8 Single Core 512M DDR3 Linux Miracast Wireless iPush Airplay DLNA TV Stick Built-in HDMI/Wifi ... ( ) [15:45]
felipelalli let me ask you guys another thing: I'm using to buy S.MPOE shares. I received this receipt: what proves I have created the order. But after the order is filled, where is the proof that 270 S.MPOE are mine? What happen if just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? How could I recover this? [15:45]
asciilifeform ^ wireless, usb only for storage [15:45]
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asciilifeform 512mb. [15:45]
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asciilifeform there also appear to be at least half a dozen compatible products, of similar cost. [15:46]
mike_c ;;gettrust felipelalli jurov [15:46]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012 [15:46]
mike_c oops. old habits [15:46]
* asciilifeform is not especially fond of wireless net for this application [15:46]
mike_c !gettrust felipelalli jurov [15:46]
assbot Trust relationship from user felipelalli to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. | | [15:46]
mike_c felipelalli: ^ that is your protection against coinbr disappearing. [15:47]
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jurov felipelalli: also, what happen if MPEx just go bankruptcy (or disappear)? Same thing. [15:48]
felipelalli actually they ( hold the shares for me in CoinBr MPEx account, isn't it? Just to know if I am missing something. [15:50]
jurov yes [15:50]
felipelalli perfect! thank you. [15:51]
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felipelalli jurov: just now I noticed "they" are actually "you". :) Thanks. [15:56]
felipelalli !rate jurov 1 " owner, great job, I trust him." [15:56]
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jurov :) [15:57]
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jurov kakobrekla what about signing ? [15:58]
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asciilifeform << 'arm' system vendor in eu [15:59]
assbot New IT ... ( ) [15:59]
asciilifeform unfortunately nothing in the price ballpark of 'pogo' [15:59]
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asciilifeform unrelated mega-lol: [16:02]
assbot PSA: Your crypto apps are useless unless you check them for backdoors | Ars Technica ... ( ) [16:02]
asciilifeform ^ from the run-moar-winblows department [16:02]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: << for your collection. i own the pre-release version of this thing. it works. but full of oddities. there is a (supposedly) complete data sheet for the chip. [16:03]
assbot MIPS Creator CI20 released: Interesting, though not very useful | Ars Technica ... ( ) [16:03]
jurov guess we'll end up with this [16:03]
assbot A10-OLinuXino-LIME - Open Source Hardware Board ... ( ) [16:03]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: if you're just going to annotage logs at least have the commentary arrayed neatly around the source material like the rest of the talmudic publications [16:04]
asciilifeform jurov: not bad. about 1.5 pogos. [16:04]
ben_vulpes footnotes are so...web 3.0 [16:04]
asciilifeform jurov: looks like even has sata. [16:04]
asciilifeform would need a chassis and power brick? [16:04]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: lol what talmud are you reading? [16:05]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: iirc a standard talmud is arranged this way ? [16:05]
pete_dushenski bla.. fine. ima brb [16:06]
pete_dushenski :) [16:06]
jurov Please prove you are not an bot. How many cores RK3188 have?: << ahahaha olimex forums rule [16:06]
asciilifeform jurov: i like the ru 'integrals' captchae more. [16:06]
asciilifeform 'prove you're not a bot or a c-student' [16:07]
* assbot gives voice to nubbins` [16:08]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: [16:08]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( ) [16:08]
asciilifeform ^ illustrated [16:08]
nubbins` hm, re: goflex tv [16:08]
assbot [PATCH] Add support for Realtek Media Player SoCs ... ( ) [16:08]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: heh whaddya know [16:08]
nubbins` cracked open a firmware update image, might be something to this [16:08]
pete_dushenski that's pretty cool lookin' [16:08]
* assbot gives voice to phillipsjk [16:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142197 @ 0.00039587 = 56.2915 BTC [-] [16:11]
phillipsjk mircea_popescu, Just because you don't understand the Maslow pyramid, does not imply it is completely invalid. Your alternative pyramid lacks co-operation...which you apparently consider rotten socialist propaganda. Re: [16:16]
assbot That ain't the Maslow pyramid, yo! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [16:16]
jurov down. interesting [16:16]
asciilifeform maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat? [16:16]
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pete_dushenski alright ben_vulpes: [16:17]
assbot You can’t have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [16:17]
pete_dushenski c'est mieu ? [16:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.09522599 = 4.7613 BTC [-] {7} [16:18]
phillipsjk asciilifeform, 4 of the 5 categories use the term "domination" [16:18]
pete_dushenski i'll admit, it was a bit odd having all my thoughts in the footnotes... i'm just not sure that this is cleaner to read. [16:19]
phillipsjk I finally have DDOS samples up. Apparently the attack mode switched at some point. I was not able to determine exactly when because my machine lacks the RAM to load the entire packet capture in wirkeshark. [16:22]
phillipsjk Here is a 1.5MB sample of the udp fragment flood I was talking about: [16:24]
assbot ... ( ) [16:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.09100303 = 3.0031 BTC [-] {6} [16:25]
phillipsjk It mentions and simply says LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL over and over. [16:25]
teward phillipsjk: I feel sorry for you o.o [16:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 103000 @ 0.00038349 = 39.4995 BTC [-] {2} [16:27]
phillipsjk here is the first minute or so of UPnP crap: (64MIB) [16:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00095 = 1.425 BTC [-] [16:28]
asciilifeform phun phact: [16:28]
asciilifeform there is at least one exploitable overflow in 'wireshark'. [16:29]
asciilifeform at least, was, a year or so ago. [16:29]
teward asciilifeform: depends on the rev you're on [16:29]
teward AFAIK they're all patched, but I haven't watched wireshark upstream like a hawk [16:29]
asciilifeform there is no such thing, approximately, as a kitchen with precisely one cockroach. [16:29]
phillipsjk The UDP flood sample was after I let the previous attack drop to dial-up rates, then briefly reconnected. [16:29]
teward phillipsjk: just TARPIT everything [16:30]
teward :P [16:30]
phillipsjk asciilifeform, I was running it from a LiveCD. But yes, those captures may be potentially harmful. [16:30]
asciilifeform not even about these in particular. [16:30]
phillipsjk I my write-up on the Shaw forums, I included a caution about that. [16:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00039587 = 16.5474 BTC [+] [16:31]
kakobrekla jurov [16:31]
teward asciilifeform: is one of the 2015 notices here the one you're talking about? [16:31]
assbot Logged on 19-01-2015 22:42:24; kakobrekla: !shasum wot [16:31]
assbot Wireshark · Security Advisories ... ( ) [16:31]
teward because i'm on 1.12.1 - if it's ~1yr old, I'm patched [16:32]
jurov kakobrekla: so i'm to connect to irc from my wot sync script, srsly? [16:32]
kakobrekla im not signing it. [16:33]
phillipsjk I was amazed when people were finding devastating holes in image processing libraries about 10 years ago. Every OS was affected. [16:33]
jurov why? and i did not say it must be your signature [16:33]
kakobrekla if not mine, imagine one up. [16:34]
teward ho-lee shit, Wireshark is huge o.o [16:35]
kakobrekla idk, i could make it announce new shasums in chan and you parse logs then [16:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143100 @ 0.00037854 = 54.1691 BTC [-] [16:35]
phillipsjk teward, I found my first DDOS kind of exciting. The cloak works so far. Apparently people will DDOS live-streaming gamers for lulz as well. [16:36]
phillipsjk I slightly related news, apparently I can put whatever files I want on my web-host. Was working under the assumption I had at least 100MB of space. Apparently it is 25GB. (I essentially chose my own price-point since anything more than 25MB may as well be infinite for my e-mail and web-site.) [16:39]
teward phillipsjk: well that's not uncommon - and if anyone tried to DDoS me, they'd hit my VPS not me, and that's DDoS-filtered [16:39]
jurov kakobrekla that wouldn't help [16:43]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk how do you figure it lacks cooperation ? [16:43]
mircea_popescu submission is cooperation, just, functional. the sort of cooperation you have in mind is simply not found in nature is all. [16:43]
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jurov kakobrekla, but please confirm you're aware that by choosing mysqldump format, it can't be parsed but must be piped into mysql which is practically the same as piping into /bin/sh [16:45]
kakobrekla i can give you a different format, seems like you are the first the use the thing. [16:46]
phillipsjk asciilifeform, mis-read your maslow comment. "Belonging and love needs" sounds like cooperation is needed. [16:46]
pete_dushenski italian fiu: "The FIU states that businesses dealing in virtual currencies, including holding them and exchanging them for fiat currencies, are not required to comply with any AML/KYC regulations." [16:46]
kakobrekla s/the use/to use [16:46]
pete_dushenski cazalla: BingoBoingo if you're interested [16:47]
assbot Central Bank of Italy Declares Virtual Currency Exchanges Are Not Subject to AML Requirements – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( ) [16:47]
mircea_popescu felipelalli: let me ask you guys another thing <<< when using a broker, you necessarily undertake that risk. the way to not undertake the risk is to have your own account. [16:47]
jurov kakobrekla anything that can be parsed, not ran. csv, json,...etc [16:47]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you know you could write it up yourself. [16:47]
mircea_popescu i got one in queue too. [16:47]
mircea_popescu jurov i thought you could get json of anything anyway ? [16:47]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: this is true but there's some other writing i'm attending to [16:48]
jurov i cannot get json of /assbot/keyid/ [16:48]
jurov so id ecided to just pull whole db anyway [16:48]
pete_dushenski if the qntra boys don't pick it up within an hour or so, i'll scoop it [16:48]
mircea_popescu that's because keid is nonsense? you also can't get json of assbot/english cuisine [16:49]
jurov but i now see it's actually a script downloaded by http [16:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: ^ from the run-moar-winblows department << how the hell does one check for backdoors. submerge in water an' blow ? [16:49]
trinque ^lol [16:49]
jurov mircea_popescu: one cannot get full fingerprint out of gpg-signed stuff one get by email. t was already discussed [16:50]
mircea_popescu jurov but this flaw of the gpg protocol can't really be fixed at the assbot elvel. [16:50]
mircea_popescu one is stuck with it. [16:50]
jurov yes. i agree. so i am stuck with [16:50]
jurov 1) downloading db [16:50]
jurov 2) doing like query [16:51]
jurov 3) getting key by fingerprint [16:51]
mircea_popescu technically you could just grep the db [16:51]
jurov 4) rechecking the dam sig [16:51]
jurov the db cointains users without l2 [16:51]
mircea_popescu i'd be very interested in hearing about ambiguous matches. [16:51]
mircea_popescu yes. [16:51]
phillipsjk I have been questioning the feature where you can change key expiry, but not do operations with expired keys. (Since i learned about it) [16:51]
jurov 3) and 4) take care about ambiguous matches [16:51]
mircea_popescu not a great fan of any changes on keys, myself. [16:52]
mircea_popescu more gpg cruft that'll have to go in bapgp [16:52]
jurov but i am not asking any change about wot mechanism [16:52]
mircea_popescu jurov jst saying, you don't have to do any actual query on the db. just grep it. [16:52]
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jurov replace 2) by grepping is doable [16:54]
jurov but in the future i potentially want the turdatron to display wot nicks anyway [16:54]
mircea_popescu anyway, presenting it as json is not a bad idea [16:54]
mircea_popescu or csv for that matter. [16:54]
mircea_popescu but i've not yet got through the logs far enough to figure wtf the contention is so gimme a minute [16:55]
ben_vulpes phillipsjk: don't play with expired keys [16:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: maslow's thing had 'cooperation'? wat? << it keeps getting revised, it's a bona fide "golf club patter" that thing. always in step with the emotional needs of a new generation. [16:56]
phillipsjk ben_vulpes, if you miss issuing a new key, you may still want to sign with an expired key to prove you know the secret. [16:56]
mircea_popescu not clear anyone will accept that "proof". [16:56]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: c'est mieu ? << mieux. the x, like the h, and the e, and everything else in French including the French themselves, is silent. [16:57]
phillipsjk The point of a new key is that I am *assuming* the NSA may be ably to crack 1024bit dsa, but I am not sure. I doubt anybody else can do it. [16:57]
* phillipsjk now has 2048 bit RSA [16:57]
mircea_popescu was dsa the one we were not using because we suspect it comes with a nsa hole from the get go or am i confusing my sas ? [16:57]
asciilifeform dsa [16:58]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk are you using proper digests ? [16:58]
mircea_popescu iirc gpg will happily do md5 even today. [16:58]
asciilifeform was explicitly proclaimed by clinton-era nsa as 'civilian' castrato crypto [16:58]
ben_vulpes phillipsjk: 4096 or bust baby [16:58]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: damn my written illiteracy! [16:58]
phillipsjk DSA is assumed to be weak because 768bit RSA primes have been publicly factored. [16:59]
ben_vulpes phillipsjk: try this .gnupg/gpg.conf [16:59]
assbot ... ( ) [16:59]
mircea_popescu unrelated thread, that. [16:59]
jurov apparently mysqldump has absolutely no support for csv/json/anything? lol, even sqlite has it [16:59]
ben_vulpes why aren't you people using postgres [16:59]
jurov it can only change delimiter not escape data [17:00]
asciilifeform backdoors << the linked piece was about somebody who woke up to the idea of checking signatures on downloaded crypto app binaries (for winblows naturally) but couldn't quite wrap brain around pgp [17:00]
asciilifeform why he assumed that 'backdoor' must be necessarily inserted at isp, rather than by author of the turdware - ask him, not me [17:01]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk what's "Shaw forums" ? [17:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.0003722 = 20.2105 BTC [-] {2} [17:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well at least he's perambulating in the generally right direction... [17:02]
mircea_popescu !shasum derp [17:03]
assbot Need at least one argument, example: 'wot'. [17:03]
mircea_popescu !shasum wot [17:03]
assbot sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : f4de64eaf67a36a5f9f9af96ff4e6cf302c816b1093d252277a34d06e2c06add [17:03]
assbot sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 2675cf21e2655398640525b1a2841a9a980b5d05e26cc4844540534971a5b7a9 [17:03]
mircea_popescu jurov one problem is... if this were on a webpage what exact use would it be ? [17:04]
asciilifeform winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a prisoner walking in the direction of the yard gate. he is still in his cell. [17:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, not so. the better comparison is you saying " winblows user walking to pgp is somewhat like a virgin playing pensively with a fat cucumber. she isstill a virgin." [17:05]
mircea_popescu yes, she is. not for long. [17:05]
asciilifeform might depend on the winblows user, actually [17:05]
jurov mircea_popescu: verifying is another problem. i can do that by hand [17:06]
asciilifeform there are quite a few, i think, who are grossly underequipped - intellectually - to actually operate a computer [17:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform their possession is a blessing for whoever's not doing it : costs more than it produces. [17:06]
jurov i'm currently concerned about someone who hacked assbot server running stuff (with potentially correct sums) on my server [17:06]
asciilifeform the remainder is the more interesting question [17:06]
mircea_popescu jurov i still don't see why you'd process the dump as a myslq [17:07]
jurov 1. i don't have slaves to write the parser for me [17:08]
phillipsjk mircea_popescu, the forums hosted by my ISP. [17:08]
assbot What should we do, if anything, while experienc... | Shaw Support Community ... ( ) [17:08]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: im not signing it. << could you make a csv ? or a json ? [17:08]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk oh i c. [17:09]
jurov 2. unnecessary depndence on bitcoin-assets web server [17:09]
mircea_popescu jurov what'd be your ideal model ? [17:09]
jurov i described these 4 steps above [17:09]
jurov step 5 would be to check if sender is in l2 [17:10]
mircea_popescu that'd be your ideal model ? [17:10]
jurov against local db [17:10]
jurov ideal? just having api that i can pull keys of l2 members directly from and is never down? [17:12]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla can there be a page with a list of l2 fingerprints ? [17:13]
asciilifeform 275919... [17:15]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [17:15]
gribble Current Blocks: 341966 | Current Difficulty: 4.127287389469702E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 342719 | Next Difficulty In: 753 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 44296281000.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.32541 [17:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 202480 @ 0.00038624 = 78.2059 BTC [+] [17:18]
jurov yes, list of l2 fingerprints would help much [17:18]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ? [17:19]
mircea_popescu i always assumed those things are just pure astroturf grown out of a misguided attempt to "be online' of various corps. [17:19]
phillipsjk I was asking support questions. I normally avoid that forum. [17:20]
mircea_popescu ah [17:20]
mircea_popescu nm me then. i have a bit of a writer's mind :D [17:20]
mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot phillipsjk [17:21]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user phillipsjk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | | [17:21]
phillipsjk I do play in the Bitcoin forum...Though it was like 2-3years before I actually bought any. [17:21]
mircea_popescu "Their most absurd suggestion turned out to be surprisingly close to the truth: that it must have been some website we visited." [17:24]
mircea_popescu funny how that works. [17:24]
phillipsjk Theymos (the Bitcointalk admin) proposed a compromise for the block-size issue: start with 2MB blocks. [17:25]
assbot Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( ) [17:25]
asciilifeform choosing where to go for dinner with a coprophagiac; compromise - eat only a little shit. [17:25]
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asciilifeform just as side dish. [17:26]
asciilifeform a garnish [17:26]
asciilifeform if slightly unsavoury [17:26]
* phillipsjk checks if that is actually a word [17:26]
mircea_popescu the overarching point there is that vessenes' scam and the people hanging in -dev do not have the authority to either implement or discuss bitcoin forks. [17:27]
mircea_popescu at all. [17:27]
phillipsjk is. [17:27]
mircea_popescu not for any reason, not under any conditions. eod. [17:27]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: 'bitcoin' probably does not appear in your dictionary. is a word ? [17:27]
mircea_popescu coprophagiac - someone who eats shit. [17:28]
mircea_popescu tis english. [17:28]
asciilifeform the king's english, aha [17:28]
phillipsjk asciilifeform, yes. [17:28]
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assbot Bitcoin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [17:28]
phillipsjk (not technically a dictionary) [17:29]
trinque it exists because wikipedia... guffaw [17:29]
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phillipsjk I used a search engine, not wikipedia directly. I was checking form more than like 3 uses. [17:30]
mircea_popescu phillipsjk for the record, these attacks aren't exactly bandwidth related in any sense, they're packet based. [17:30]
thestringpuller Ephebophilia. [17:30]
phillipsjk The UDP flood was almost full packets. [17:30]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: ^ you know that one? [17:30]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller notice that there doesn't exist an equivalent "love for teenaged females". [17:31]
thestringpuller ;) [17:31]
phillipsjk er UDP *fragment* flood. (The UPNP shit was UDP too) [17:32]
mircea_popescu aha [17:35]
ben_vulpes x and my wm collectively shit themselves when i switch to a monitor theyve never seen before. [17:37]
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the_scourge ben_vulpes: just do xrandr by hand. unless you're one of those people who has their monitors in the same orientation every day [17:40]
the_scourge what wm do you use? [17:41]
ben_vulpes stumpwm [17:41]
ben_vulpes i just want to use it, i don't want to rewrite it [17:41]
ben_vulpes i guess this is the curse of a shop with > 8 monitors [17:41]
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the_scourge "StumpWM is a tiling window manager that was created when developer Shawn Betts found ratpoison growing increasingly large and "lispy"." [17:42]
* the_scourge goes to find out how something can become too lispy [17:42]
ben_vulpes when your c devs start implementing common lisp out of ignorance, it's probably time to just use common lisp. [17:42]
mircea_popescu if one could just use common lisp (no devs involved) there'd be no computing language forums. [17:44]
the_scourge ben_vulpes: it should respect what xrandr tells it to do, regardless. i've used tiling window managers with a retina laptop in 9 different shops in the last 18 months, sometimes changing desks throughout the week. just turn everything off and use xrandr, i'm sure your wm will respect it [17:44]
* the_scourge is interested! [17:44]
phillipsjk EMACS user detected. [17:44]
mircea_popescu !up cjc [17:45]
-assbot- You voiced cjc for 30 minutes. [17:45]
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the_scourge woah... is this wm actually written in common lisp? why have i never heard of this before [17:45]
asciilifeform it is extremely well-known among folks with even a mild interest in the subject... [17:45]
cjc Thanks mircea_popescu. I've been enjoying watching the somewhat spirited astroturfing over at for the last couple of days in this thread with regard to the Fork. [17:46]
assbot Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( ) [17:46]
mircea_popescu not like cl has that many usable apps out there :D [17:46]
the_scourge asciilifeform: that's a little low, but i'll freely admit i don't hang around with the right people [17:46]
mircea_popescu cjc vox populi vox dei yo! [17:46]
mircea_popescu the_scourge why not ? [17:46]
cjc Also, I enjoyed the btc-dev mailing list post decision to keep the CPU miner for Alpha Centauri =) [17:46]
the_scourge mircea_popescu: opportunity personality? [17:47]
the_scourge *and personality [17:47]
trinque ah stumpwm... "At least I can get what I want with ample tape." [17:47]
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mircea_popescu kinda how it usually goes huh [17:47]
the_scourge i think the lack of opportunity has bent my personality :( [17:47]
the_scourge i'm just happy when i get a client where the head engineer is capable of having slightly technical discussions... staves off the cabin fever (which is possible, even in london) [17:49]
the_scourge phillipsjk: thanks for looking into the ddos stuff btw [17:49]
trinque the_scourge: gotta just ignore useless people and not miss the opportunity to hang among the worthwhile when it comes along [17:49]
the_scourge hi from a fellow canuck, btw [17:49]
trinque pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself [17:50]
the_scourge trinque++ [17:50]
phillipsjk Your welcome. Figured I was being attacked anyway, may as well get data. [17:50]
the_scourge trinque: i take responsibility for the situation. i've had certain goals and i've been working on them for so long i haven't stopped to smell the roses or look up the local 2600 chapter. if that even exists anymore [17:53]
cjc There was a pretty good deal on lifetime 2600 subscriptions last year. [17:53]
cjc I picked it up sans the expensive delivery fee. [17:54]
trinque the_scourge: heh, dude.. this feel, I know it [17:54]
ben_vulpes pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself << stupidity and malice are the *defaults*, guys. people who aren't either stupid or malicious are *not* to be expected. [17:55]
ben_vulpes anywhere. [17:55]
the_scourge ben_vulpes: is that because all of the non-stupid people ended up dispairing and turned malicious? [17:56]
trinque the_scourge: [17:58]
assbot ... ( ) [17:58]
trinque you take what used to be a predator, add captivity and asinine breeding habits, boom [17:58]
the_scourge is that that crazy big cat place in middle of nowhere wisconsin? with the ligers? [18:00]
the_scourge i've been there! [18:00]
the_scourge but that's a really fucked up... tiger? [18:00]
trinque dunno; googled "fat imbred large feline" [18:00]
the_scourge er that's a liger isn't it [18:00]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes speaking of which : sent emails to ~500 real estate agencies in buenos aires, yes. [18:01]
trinque vaguely recalled that they're imbreeding white tigers to keep them going [18:01]
mircea_popescu today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor. [18:01]
mircea_popescu i was happy to confirm for their needs where the center is and that yes indeed they are poor. [18:01]
the_scourge < that's the place i think the liger might have died though [18:01]
assbot Valley of the Kings Home Page ... ( ) [18:01]
mircea_popescu stupidity, yes. malice... rarely. on account of people being so stupid they can't really manage malice on the same cpu. [18:01]
punkman Ulbricht: "On Wednesday, a jury took about three hours to find him guilty on all seven counts." [18:04]
pete_dushenski damn, bb was right on the nose! [18:04]
trinque railroad's running right on time [18:05]
asciilifeform what they did for 3 hours? played cards ? [18:05]
mircea_popescu ha, wd bb. [18:05]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Wow. I just woke up and won? [18:05]
mircea_popescu yup [18:06]
asciilifeform i bet that soldering iron is warming up already. [18:06]
asciilifeform if not sizzling quite yet [18:06]
mircea_popescu turns out im the worlds most inept prop bettor :D [18:06]
BingoBoingo Last night I got stressed an make a Minix, today... [18:06]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: minix, rly ? [18:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Practicing small [18:07]
asciilifeform honest minix or the heretical minix3 ? [18:07]
BingoBoingo old minix [18:07]
asciilifeform neato. [18:07]
the_scourge punkman: link? [18:07]
asciilifeform 'Do you pine for the nice days of minix-1.1, when men were men and wrote their own device drivers?' - linus t. [18:07]
BingoBoingo Not sure if worked [18:07]
punkman [18:07]
assbot Ross Ulbricht Convicted of Running Silk Road as Dread Pirate Roberts - Bloomberg Business ... ( ) [18:08]
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mircea_popescu ill brb [18:08]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I may not have built a userland or drivers [18:09]
* BingoBoingo needs more reads [18:09]
the_scourge wtf, that speeds things up a little [18:09]
trinque holy *shit*; life in prison? [18:10]
asciilifeform now who wants to talk about the mythical nullifying juries, lol [18:10]
the_scourge no kidding [18:10]
trinque dude's being drawn and quartered as an example [18:10]
asciilifeform for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous [18:11]
BingoBoingo for folks unfamiliar with u.s. jurisprudence, verdict has to be unanimous << Not in every kind of case actually [18:11]
asciilifeform if 11 jurors were to feel like, e.g., letting dpr go, and one did not, 'hung jury' and the kangaroo court gets to do the whole thing again [18:11]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc [18:11]
BingoBoingo But must almost always be some sort of super majority [18:11]
asciilifeform civil - no [18:11]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: in criminal trials, iirc << In capital (death penalty) trials, probably other yes. [18:12]
asciilifeform in all fed criminal trials. and in most state criminals. [18:12]
BingoBoingo Ah [18:13]
asciilifeform ianal. [18:13]
asciilifeform incidentally, [18:13]
asciilifeform [18:13]
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asciilifeform ^ apparently even this is now up for being fucked with [18:14]
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cazalla seems qntra already had a category for antarctica.. ;;later tell BingoBoingo australia is not the same as antarctica lol [18:18]
assbot Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency | ... ( ) [18:18]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Are you sure? [18:18]
cazalla yes and that is despite the past week being freezing here (sunny morning today, yay) [18:20]
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BingoBoingo Antartica, Australia, Africa, Asia, Americas... Continents need less alliteration. [18:21]
BingoBoingo !up sergiohlb [18:21]
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cazalla how's this for a forecast? [18:22]
assbot ... ( ) [18:22]
pete_dushenski cazalla: BingoBoingo [18:22]
assbot Title: Banca d’Italia ends AML/KYC for Bitcoin businesses, opts out of economi - ... ( ) [18:22]
pete_dushenski saved you boys the trouble :) [18:23]
cazalla re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content [18:23]
cazalla it's not a big deal but would not want to see it become a habit [18:24]
pete_dushenski por supuesto [18:24]
pete_dushenski next time: email [18:24]
cazalla it's not just you pete_dushenski so, nothing personal :) [18:24]
asciilifeform google appears to crawl #b-a www log every other minute or so, likewise. [18:29]
asciilifeform (why? ask them) [18:30]
pete_dushenski following behind the cool kids and taking notes is nothing new [18:32]
pete_dushenski it's worked on the playground since basically forever [18:32]
pete_dushenski and what is the internet if not a big playground ? [18:32]
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pete_dushenski some kids are playing tag, some kids are playing chess, some kids are driving the teachers crazy, [18:35]
pete_dushenski some kids are lighting things on fire [18:36]
pete_dushenski others, chasing girls [18:36]
the_scourge so what does that make google? the monitor or a nerd? [18:37]
pete_dushenski which makes me think i should re-write that old classic "all i really need to know i leaned in kindergarten" for the internet age [18:37]
pete_dushenski see, the nerd has a good chance of growing up to be someone someday, so google can't very well be that [18:38]
pete_dushenski so i guess the monitor, trying to adapt and keep up with the kids [18:39]
pete_dushenski but ultimately being slow and a bit greying [18:39]
pete_dushenski unless there's a third alternative ? [18:39]
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the_scourge the desperate wannabe? i think i remember a few of those [18:41]
the_scourge i think they outnumbered genetic alphas [18:42]
nubbins` o.O [18:42]
nubbins` Choose Your Own Stereotype Based On Incomplete Analogies 101 [18:42]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: !s merit washing << seen this ? [18:42]
assbot "Philanthropy." Not Power. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [18:42]
nubbins` pete_dushenski stop bogarting that dutch [18:43]
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pete_dushenski ;;google bogart the dutch [18:43]
gribble Humphrey Deforest (Humphrey) Bogart - New Netherland Institute: ; bogart - Wiktionary: ; Humphrey Bogart - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [18:43]
pete_dushenski should i know this idiom ? [18:44]
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PeterL felipelalli: if you are going to get into trading on MPEx, make sure you check out which has lots of useful information (for example market cap, from which with price you can derive total share count) [18:46]
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nubbins` ;;ud bogart [18:46]
gribble | A slang term derived from the last name of famous actor Humphrey Bogart because he often kept a cigarette in the corner of his mouth, seemingly never actually ... [18:46]
nubbins` ;;ud dutch [18:46]
gribble | going dutch. In dating, when both parties pay for their own bills, thus effectively dispelling the double-standard where men are always expected to pay. [18:46]
nubbins` meh on 2nd [18:46]
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nubbins` ;;ud smoking dutch [18:47]
gribble | No one actually smokes dutches, they just gut them bitches and fill em up wit product. 2) a slang word for a blunt 3) i guess a dutch is also sumone from Holland ... [18:47]
pete_dushenski lol [18:47]
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ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: is that because all of the non-stupid people ended up dispairing and turned malicious? << no, it's because intelligence is a damn rare thing. [18:51]
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ben_vulpes today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor. << why were they asking if argentines are poor? [18:52]
kakobrekla ;;later tell mircea_popescu jurov [18:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:52]
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ben_vulpes neatly awkable [18:53]
ben_vulpes wd kakobrekla [18:53]
ben_vulpes ty [18:53]
jurov thanks kakobrekla! [18:53]
kakobrekla yw [18:53]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: the part of the world where i live is plagued with, among other insects, a type of caterpillar that devours trees wholesale. every spring, gigantic hives (?) - nests with webbing - appear, and when they're full, you can almost see them pulsate, pulsate << Used to be bigger problem here. Then they were largely defeated [19:09]
asciilifeform defeated << how ? [19:09]
phillipsjk I think birds eat them. [19:10]
asciilifeform phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation [19:10]
phillipsjk some trees will tolerate one or two defoliations per season as well. [19:11]
asciilifeform if this were not so, there'd be rather few trees left here. [19:11]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: philanthropists article << precisely them [19:12]
pete_dushenski thought so :) [19:12]
* phillipsjk decides to stop talking about things he knows little about. [19:12]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: it's quite the little game those kids play [19:13]
pete_dushenski dancing about, spouting words, meeting "important" people [19:13]
pete_dushenski it's probably not a bad gig actually [19:13]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: but more generally, applies to the sv vc crapolade. i.e. why does mr schmuck get 100 megabezzlars for schmuckatron? because he's the son/nephew/catamite of one of the vultures who feasted on the corpse of fairchild semi, at&t (pre-breakup), etc. [19:14]
pete_dushenski this is no different from what mazarin did [19:14]
asciilifeform (not necessarily direct relation - son in law, etc. will do in a pinch. as there's plenty of printed money to go around) [19:15]
pete_dushenski re-appropriate some wealth, give to kids [19:15]
pete_dushenski isn't this a roman thing even? [19:15]
asciilifeform the most pathetic aspect is when civilians become afflicted with the delusion of 'i can haz some too' [19:15]
pete_dushenski (and many others too, i'm sure) [19:15]
pete_dushenski well, because "we're all equal" [19:15]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: as i tried to explain to mircea_popescu, 'merit wash' is a rather distinct animal from ordinary inheritance [19:16]
asciilifeform how: [19:16]
pete_dushenski so kid in compton is just like god-daughter of mr. rothschild [19:16]
asciilifeform inheritance doesn't create a gigantic circus where millions of fools think they have a shot at being an heir [19:16]
asciilifeform and thus warping entire civilization in various crippling ways [19:17]
asciilifeform !s tournament market [19:17]
assbot 7 results for 'tournament market' : [19:17]
pete_dushenski it would seem to necessitate an eventual divorce from reality [19:17]
pete_dushenski just to cope [19:17]
pete_dushenski (for the kids with no shot) [19:18]
asciilifeform let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary [19:18]
pete_dushenski are there such sports ? [19:18]
pete_dushenski maybe... golf [19:18]
asciilifeform that's the effect meritwash has on the participants (the 'extras' in the film, naturally. the pre-ordained winners - laugh all the way to the bank.) [19:18]
pete_dushenski where officials are largely on the sidelines and players call their own penalties [19:18]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: which they do anyways so it can't be about them [19:19]
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pete_dushenski the difference is the injustice wrought upon the multitudes [19:19]
asciilifeform or, famously, the first television 'game show' - '64,000 dollar question' (usa) was famously discovered, in its day, to be fixed [19:19]
asciilifeform and this caused a national scandal [19:19]
pete_dushenski similar to who wants to be a millionaire? or the same ? [19:20]
asciilifeform no idea re ^ [19:20]
* asciilifeform not a scholar of the subject [19:20]
pete_dushenski it's not important [19:20]
pete_dushenski i get the picture [19:21]
asciilifeform 276666 incidentally. [19:21]
pete_dushenski chugging along eh [19:21]
pete_dushenski i'm heading out tho. cheers! [19:21]
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jurov [19:31]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes specifically, they wanted to know "what zones im interested in" and "what my budget is". [19:38]
mircea_popescu somehow this are questions now. [19:38]
asciilifeform << uk gov digs through, e.g., 'pastebin', in search of 0days. [19:38]
assbot ... ( ) [19:38]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla hawt. [19:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform most script kiddies do neh ? [19:39]
asciilifeform there is a tradition of actually throwing genuine 0days in there. [19:39]
asciilifeform don't ask me why [19:39]
asciilifeform but naturally this creates million zombies with 'gambler's disease' who dig, dig, dig [19:40]
mircea_popescu cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that. [19:42]
mircea_popescu say i gpg to your key next time ? [19:42]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: (why? ask them) << usg looking for zero days as well :) [19:42]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, that works [19:45]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: natural questions for their business models, neh? [19:47]
mircea_popescu neh. [19:47]
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ben_vulpes how so not? [19:47]
mircea_popescu if oyu don't know what the center of the town is or that you live in a shithole, you should go back to highschool. [19:48]
ben_vulpes granted, the first parts downright stupid [19:48]
BingoBoingo phillipsjk: the birds here - not very enthusiastically. hence the infestation << New birds essentially. Also Replacing favorable trees with less so. Liberal amounts of poisoin too. [19:48]
mircea_popescu then answer to "i'm looking to rent" is "best value for money i got is this, best all around property is this, which you want ?" [19:48]
mircea_popescu not "oh, are buildings made of building materials i wonder soliloquously ?" [19:49]
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cazalla mircea_popescu: phillipsjk you know you might be the first guy of your kind i ever met. so, you're on some isp's forum because... it's your isp ? and i suppose on the mazda forum if/when driving a mazda and so on ? <<< popular thing in australia, or at least was back in 90s, early 2000s [19:50]
cazalla local dialup isp even had bbqs [19:51]
mircea_popescu o, that they did in the 90s too. local dialup isp almost always being "three or four of the cooler kids in that neighbourhood" [19:51]
mircea_popescu in ro in the 90s* [19:51]
mircea_popescu jurov: << that usg agitprop runs this about tpb after a year of studiously ignoring seems the best street cred for current day tpb. [19:54]
assbot vmp - Error Site | Motherboard ... ( ) [19:54]
assbot Dear Guardian : stop being retarded. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [19:54]
mircea_popescu The well-heeled group seemed receptive. “I think it’s fantastic,” said Patrick Gage, a 19-year-old heir to the multibillion-dollar Carlson hotel and hospitality fortune. “I’ve never seen anything like this before.” Mr. Gage is an industry leader in enforcing measures to combat trafficking and involuntary prostitution. [19:57]
mircea_popescu lol check it out, it's an industry now :D [19:57]
mircea_popescu anyway, so obama gets 100 rich kids together to inquire about soft capital confiscation. turns out the kids don't mind. [19:58]
mircea_popescu in other news, [20:01]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform> let's ask BingoBoingo how sport aficionados feel re: 'fixed' matches in sports where this is not customary << Actual fraud. One the other hand horrifically mismatched team (happens a lot in college where small schools will get paid by larger schools to play a game the larger school anticipates winning) can be loads of fun. Especially when the school paid to play wins. [20:09]
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mircea_popescu "when the FBI tackled Ulbricht in the Library with the Laptop Forensics Toolkit" << also, partition encryption werks! [20:16]
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mircea_popescu o by the way. anyone know who were the first gynecologists ? [20:25]
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kakobrekla cazalla: re: pastebin submissions, can we please use email? google snatches these up quick and pastebin gets the credit for the content << oops sorry bout that. < dpaste btw [20:29]
mircea_popescu that's a point. [20:29]
kakobrekla no public pastes, no ads [20:29]
mircea_popescu yeh yeh. dunno how pastebin crept back in. [20:29]
cazalla mircea_popescu, barbers as well? [20:30]
mircea_popescu cazalla mendicunt monks. [20:30]
cazalla i vaguely remember reading about barbers being surgeons on trilema before hence reasoning for my guess [20:30]
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asciilifeform how pastebin crept back in << rough substitute for the shortwave station we don't have [20:37]
asciilifeform i.e. no illusions of privacy or reliability [20:37]
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asciilifeform i dislike the sugar-coated 'nice' pastebins for this reason [20:37]
mircea_popescu nono i mean the site specifically. [20:39]
mircea_popescu dpaste much better [20:39]
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mircea_popescu << lol ok this one i heart. [20:48]
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ben_vulpes pastebin is verboten [20:55]
ben_vulpes constantly adding in dos line endings [20:55]
ben_vulpes CANNOT ABIDE [20:55]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: gyns << no who? [20:55]
ben_vulpes Disclosure: Although the event was closed to the media, I was invited by the founders of Nexus, Jonah Wittkamper and Rachel Cohen Gerrol, to report on the conference as a member of the family that started the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company. << woo hoo hoo [20:55]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes mendicunt monks. [20:56]
* ben_vulpes closes the tab [20:56]
ben_vulpes >.< [20:56]
mircea_popescu it;'s great! [20:56]
ben_vulpes what's the american ob-gyn chain of the future? [20:57]
mircea_popescu mmmm [20:57]
mircea_popescu herp-r-us ? [20:57]
mircea_popescu snatch-o-mattic ? [20:58]
ben_vulpes Mend-A-Cunt™ [20:58]
mircea_popescu lol [20:58]
mircea_popescu McBox [20:58]
mircea_popescu QwikTwat [20:59]
BingoBoingo [20:59]
assbot IBL, Almost Larger Than IRL | Hacker News ... ( ) [20:59]
mircea_popescu yay [21:00]
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mircea_popescu !gettrust assbot beautyon [21:12]
assbot beautyon is not registered in WoT. [21:12]
BingoBoingo !gettrust assbot Irdial [21:13]
assbot Irdial is not registered in WoT. [21:13]
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mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch [21:22]
mircea_popescu i guess that's not how that works. anyway : [21:24]
assbot [OPEN] Assbot WoT website pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:24]
mircea_popescu erryone lemme know if you like / want more icecream a la mode. [21:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 8000 @ 0.00097074 = 7.7659 BTC [+] {6} [21:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2300 @ 0.000971 = 2.2333 BTC [+] [21:29]
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adlai << what about this cream [21:38]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 05:29:24; mircea_popescu: adlai so that's how it works. you get some btc, publish your trades, etc. [21:38]
mircea_popescu adlai huh ? [21:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 10549 @ 0.00095022 = 10.0239 BTC [-] {14} [21:38]
adlai i'd like to test scalpl on larger amounts of btc than i have at my personal disposal. [21:39]
mod6 perhaps what i can do here, is take the copy of the blockchain that i tried to sync day-before yesterday (copied @ ~160000 blocks) and use gdb to try to see what's going on with that that block [21:39]
mod6 seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 [21:40]
mod6 not sure exactly what to be looking for... but turning over a few 'stones' might find something. [21:41]
kakobrekla adlai curious, whats the min youd take? [21:42]
asciilifeform adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway? [21:43]
adlai depends what's at hand [21:43]
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adlai because anything else is roughly equivalent to changetip [21:43]
asciilifeform adlai: when i laboured under the delusion that i could write a useful trading automaton, i found it simple enough to 'trade' with imaginary btc, gold, etc. [21:43]
asciilifeform to see if algo is worth something [21:44]
* assbot gives voice to decimation [21:44]
adlai sure, this is possible to implement. that doesn't mean the answers are relevant. [21:44]
asciilifeform adlai: let me guess, your machine relies on actually moving the market ? [21:44]
kakobrekla this works for fx better than btc [21:44]
adlai nope [21:44]
asciilifeform then what is the hidden gotcha in testing with imaginary objects ? [21:45]
decimation I wouldn't mind trying to run a trade bot but it would involve much tax paperwork in the us [21:45]
asciilifeform decimation: 'not caught, not thief' [21:45]
adlai decimation: i'm not a lawyer, but i gather from conversations with them that it's a matter of *precisely* documenting the net p/l and paying tax on that [21:46]
kakobrekla isnt it 'not thief, caught' in murica ? [21:46]
decimation [21:46]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 04:33:41; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет срок.' (ru. jailhouse proverb: 'a guilty plea lightens your conscience and lengthens your sentence.') [21:46]
asciilifeform decimation: just avoid fiat... [21:46]
decimation adlai: yes, one would have to document each lot traded [21:46]
kakobrekla depends what's at hand < anyway not helping, ofc you will take whats at hand. if not there, not even the army can take. [21:48]
adlai ofc? [21:48]
kakobrekla ;;ud ofc [21:48]
gribble | Used in Instant Messaging for Of Course (Of Fucking Course if in all caps). " John121: u going to the movie tomorrow?" "Alex33: ofc". by MisterEgo October 09 , ... [21:48]
adlai which course? [21:49]
kakobrekla south please. [21:49]
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kakobrekla i forgot, do you use buttstamp too? if so i have sort of an exploit for their so called trading engine [21:53]
* adlai does not [21:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108150 @ 0.00038 = 41.097 BTC [+] [22:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196300 @ 0.00038082 = 74.755 BTC [+] {2} [22:14]
mircea_popescu adlai ok so what did you have in mind ? [22:23]
mircea_popescu adlai: why does it have to test on actual live-fire btc anyway? << so he can make a buck ? [22:23]
decimation re: meritwashing < I think the way this plays out in actual us business is that you are friends with someone who controls bezzlars [22:25]
mircea_popescu Явка с повинной облегчает совесть и удлиняет сок :D [22:27]
decimation heh [22:28]
adlai 03:19:17 | [adlai away: zzz] [22:29]
adlai 03:19:26 +mircea_popescu | adlai ok so what did you have in mind ? [22:29]
mircea_popescu lol [22:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101750 @ 0.00037822 = 38.4839 BTC [-] {2} [22:29]
adlai << i've been running it on N btc of my own money, how many are you willing to risk? [22:30]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 05:19:40; mircea_popescu: adlai how much capital were you looking for ? [22:30]
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mircea_popescu well, if you make a f.mpif pc and report your trades, say daily, and submit monthly sum reports, i dunno, 10 ? [22:31]
adlai technically speaking, wouldn't this be simplest accomplished by having you provide me with api keys to an account on, say, btce, and us both publishing a readonly key to that account? [22:31]
adlai (this would also be more profitable than other exchanges...) [22:32]
mircea_popescu i don't keep accounts on teh scamchanges. [22:32]
adlai this necessitates trusting them, even if indirectly [22:33]
mircea_popescu nope. it's on you. [22:33]
mircea_popescu this is how finance works. [22:33]
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decimation << apparently being a bigshot usg general means you get to handpick 'honorary ambassadors' to serve you meals [22:42]
assbot Jill Kelley e-mails depict a striving Tampa socialite and a smitten military brass - The Washington Post ... ( ) [22:42]
decimation "Nor has anyone fully explained why Allen, while busy overseeing the war in Afghanistan, exchanged a blizzard of correspondence with Kelley — between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of e-mails, according to some senior defense officials. Other officials have said that figure includes many duplicate notes and exaggerates the extent of their communications, adding that there were only about 300 total e-mails." [22:42]
decimation why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick? [22:43]
asciilifeform << made this quick likbez for the folks here [22:44]
assbot JTAG on PogoPlug. - Imgur ... ( ) [22:44]
* adlai does some arithmetic [22:44]
decimation then I heard this podcast: << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that everybody just loved the job. And [22:46]
decimation that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. " [22:46]
assbot " + soundfiledesc + " ... ( ) [22:46]
decimation asciilifeform: why do you need jtag? to blow the fuses? [22:47]
decimation or for online debugging? [22:47]
asciilifeform decimation: lamer reason: it makes reflashing considerably faster. [22:47]
decimation ah [22:48]
asciilifeform decimation: no need to reboot into a working kernel [22:48]
asciilifeform decimation: also lets you play with bootloader safely [22:48]
asciilifeform (it is actually possible to reflash the bootloader through serial port alone, but takes forever) [22:48]
decimation is that a flash card? can you boot off that? [22:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57500 @ 0.00038225 = 21.9794 BTC [+] [22:48]
asciilifeform where? [22:48]
asciilifeform there's an sd in the slot, yes. you can boot off that, but only if you have a working bootloader [22:49]
decimation the little sim-card connector thingy on the left [22:49]
decimation ah [22:49]
mircea_popescu why would some four star usg general spend time to send 300 emails to some lebanese groupie chick? << i wrote like a billion lines in here. why not ? [22:49]
asciilifeform also, the bootloader does not automatically find kernels on arbitrary devices, you have to script it [22:49]
asciilifeform and it's annoying [22:49]
decimation yeah I can imagine [22:50]
asciilifeform (has to be told what exactly to initialize and where the offset of kernel is, and length) [22:50]
asciilifeform but this is described elsewhere and i will not waste space on it here. [22:50]
mircea_popescu chick's so drastically ugly tho... [22:50]
decimation one would have to write software to craft the correct binary turd [22:50]
mircea_popescu she looks reconstructed out of flotsam. [22:50]
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asciilifeform as for jtag itself, my current favourite is 'busblaster' - made in singapore [22:50]
decimation mircea_popescu: her emails are not particularly intellectually stimulating either [22:50]
decimation asciilifeform: you earlier mentioned using a 'bus pirate' for spi connections [22:51]
asciilifeform aha [22:51]
decimation do you know the max data rate one can continuously suck off the spi? [22:51]
asciilifeform 'bus pirate' is dog slow [22:52]
decimation the documentation is poor. [22:52]
asciilifeform i don't remember the exact rate, no [22:52]
decimation I wouldn't mind having a device that interfaces to arbitrary serial ports at reasonable rates [22:52]
asciilifeform 'blaster' will do 30+MHz [22:52]
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asciilifeform it's a little thing with a 'xilinx' fpga (nonvolatile) and 'ftdi' usb2 diddler [22:53]
asciilifeform you can repurpose it for something non-jtag-ish easily enough [22:53]
decimation ah interesting, one can reprogram the fpga? [22:54]
asciilifeform aha [22:54]
decimation that sounds useful [22:54]
asciilifeform cpld really [22:54]
asciilifeform it's an xc2c64a. [22:54]
asciilifeform this is not a rare device, they're sold by the megatonne [22:54]
asciilifeform on various hobbyist sites [22:54]
decimation yeah you would just need a little reprogramming to change the serial output/input state machines [22:55]
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asciilifeform but if you can build 'openOCD' for your system, this will do everything the 'adult' jtag machines ($xxxxx golden toilets) will. [22:55]
thestringpuller scoopbot --fetch [22:55]
decimation also, today I was thinking about your rsa-signed-udp-packets thingy [22:55]
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decimation it struck me that you could probably use one of those edgerouter lites to make a cheap version [22:56]
thestringpuller o look a hanbot [22:56]
asciilifeform decimation: cheap version of what ? [22:56]
asciilifeform decimation: it doesn't need dedicated hardware, strictly speaking [22:56]
decimation 'check all incoming udp packets for signature' [22:56]
decimation no, but it would be nice [22:56]
thestringpuller how are you this evening? [22:56]
asciilifeform not all! [22:56]
asciilifeform there'd be no room for anything useful [22:57]
asciilifeform think. [22:57]
asciilifeform assume a 4096 bit key [22:57]
decimation you would want enough of a protocol to identify 'possible traffic' [22:57]
asciilifeform decimation: the practical way is to sign 'hello' [22:58]
asciilifeform in response to a valid, non-replayed 'hello' (from known pubkey, naturally), machine sends back a single-use rsa pubkey (generated for the occasion) to the requester [22:59]
thestringpuller all the fluids! I hope you feel better hanbot ! [22:59]
asciilifeform who in turn generates a block cipher (symmetric) key for the occasion [22:59]
asciilifeform and sends it back to the session pubkey [22:59]
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mircea_popescu we still doing the symetric cypher thing ? [22:59]
asciilifeform machine decrypts this. now both sides have a symmetric key [22:59]
decimation yeah but you would want a block cipher that could tolerate lost packets [23:00]
asciilifeform decimation: nope [23:00]
asciilifeform decimation: embed frame [23:00]
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decimation what about just signing each packe? [23:01]
asciilifeform decimation: assume 4096-bit rsa. and udp mtu (576.) [23:03]
asciilifeform also remember that padding exists [23:03]
asciilifeform now compute the maximum payload. [23:03]
decimation yeah but in exchange you can use a full-broadcast model [23:03]
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asciilifeform decimation: where do you intend to broadcast? [23:04]
decimation well, if ip multicast were functional that would be ideal [23:04]
asciilifeform but it isn't. [23:05]
asciilifeform also why make the enemy's job easier by transmitting plaintext ever? [23:05]
asciilifeform ideally even the 'hello' could be encrypted to the destination's pubkey if you know it (and you ought to) [23:06]
asciilifeform no one sitting on the wire should be able to observe anything but garbage. [23:06]
asciilifeform to log readers wondering about the purpose of the disposable rsa key: forward secrecy [23:07]
asciilifeform lacking this, a captured 'hot' node would allow decryption of traffic captured at an earlier time. [23:07]
decimation assuming the programmer properly cleared the old keys [23:07]
asciilifeform (this is an elementary method and i did not in any way invent it) [23:07]
asciilifeform assuming programmer is not retarded. [23:08]
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decimation asciilifeform: what about the dream of a persistent global namespace? [23:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41448 @ 0.00038233 = 15.8468 BTC [+] {2} [23:09]
asciilifeform decimation: how do you suppose it plugs in here ? [23:09]
decimation it doesn't. but individually signed packets do. [23:10]
asciilifeform you'd have to transmit >mtu packets - or use shorter keys [23:10]
asciilifeform neither really appeals [23:10]
asciilifeform or rather, if you implement one of the error codings discussed earlier, you can shoot out a small signed gibblet at a time, yes [23:11]
asciilifeform and have them reassemble [23:11]
decimation I suppose mircea has already described why a 'global namespace' is a poor fit for chat [23:12]
asciilifeform 'zooko's triangle' etc [23:12]
asciilifeform thing is, if you forget about the 'memorable', there is no triangle. [23:13]
asciilifeform all you need is a better memory. [23:13]
asciilifeform pgp keys are, in practice, all the global namespace you could ask for. [23:13]
asciilifeform nobody's going to generate a colliding key. [23:14]
decimation yeah that's a good point [23:15]
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thestringpuller alf: [23:30]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: send that back in time to the 9 y.o. me [23:35]
asciilifeform !up Vexual [23:35]
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thestringpuller i imagine 9 yo you had a giant robot and a laboratory [23:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52997 @ 0.00038235 = 20.2634 BTC [+] [23:36]
asciilifeform no, but had soldering iron [23:37]
mircea_popescu hence his ideas about thermocrypto. [23:40]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << a cryptoanalytic soldering iron. [23:41]
assbot ... ( ) [23:41]
coderwill hi everybody [23:41]
mircea_popescu << hopefully the entire us civil service reads this. [23:42]
assbot How do the aparatchicks live ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:42]
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coderwill anyone working on any new projects? [23:48]
coderwill i was reading about qntra, btw, that sounds really cool - i like the idea behind it. definitely would love to submit some material, it's going to take me a while to read 6 months of the logs though. :) [23:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'Years, decades, you've done your part to build the great progressive future... ...the work instead of imaginary devils...' << who said the general necessarily believes in anything other than the fat paycheck (not from army, naturally, but 'consulting' gigs) and cheap whores ? [23:50]
mircea_popescu coderwill [23:50]
assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [23:50]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform if that scrawny harpy is what a fat paycheck buys in the us [23:50]
mircea_popescu give me mongolia. [23:50]
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coderwill mircea_popescu: thanks for the link, must not be any jobs since it 404'd, hehe [23:51]
mircea_popescu uh ?! [23:51]
mircea_popescu assbot doesn't knoiw what it's talking about. [23:52]
coderwill haha [23:52]
thestringpuller can asswot graph be in d3? [23:52]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: any reason to think that the particular specimen was the primary whore ? [23:52]
asciilifeform could just as easily be a spare. [23:53]
mircea_popescu once we're in the camp, i wish to be in the room with alf. [23:53]
coderwill also, sorry, didn't mean to just come across like i was looking for work (although this page looks great, thanks). also was just asking for conversational purposes if any new stuff is happening. [23:53]
mircea_popescu for clearly it will not be the real camp, but merely a spare one. [23:53]
* asciilifeform adjusts stake^H^H^H^Hchair [23:54]
mircea_popescu coderwill but more productive for that purpose to read teh logs. [23:54]
coderwill mircea_popescu: ok [23:54]
* asciilifeform has not met especially many specimens of u.s. military brass, but the ones he saw alive gave the impression of being something quite like professional actors. [23:54]
mircea_popescu dead on the inside ? [23:54]
asciilifeform just another role, for these folks; all you need - hindbrain. [23:54]
asciilifeform aha. [23:54]
mircea_popescu lemme show you aman [23:55]
mircea_popescu [23:55]
mircea_popescu find me an us counterpart. [23:55]
assbot ... ( ) [23:55]
asciilifeform not familiar with this one [23:55]
mircea_popescu the jews are ahead. [23:56]
asciilifeform or are we just doing physiognomy. [23:56]
Vexual GAMMPool spec are a little thin, what do you actually wanna do? [23:56]
mircea_popescu we're doing physiognomy. [23:56]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yea ass graph is pretty big, dont' think 1 in regards to: will be very pretty [23:56]
asciilifeform if physiognomy - not that different from a certain boss's boss i remember [23:56]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller like 500-1k points on a 700k field neh. [23:56]
thestringpuller << well even with heavy force the lords are overlap each other. maybe l2 may not be as bad. gimme on sec and I'll update with postive ratings from L2 [23:57]
mircea_popescu ah you were working on a corner of this weren't you [23:58]
mircea_popescu course nothing loads. [23:58]
thestringpuller not loading for you? [23:58]
asciilifeform but it wouldn't surprise me the least bit to learn that today's u.s. colonels who think too much, tend to retire as colonel [23:59]
asciilifeform perhaps mats has something to add to this. [23:59]
thestringpuller oh you run noscript don't you? [23:59]
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