Forum logs for 04 Nov 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	aite	[00:00]
Krystyl	I think I need to look into this more because I have no idea what pgp & gpg are........	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	are you on windows ?	[00:01]
Krystyl	yes	[00:01]
felipelalli	first step: use Linux! :)	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	what was it, winpgp ?	[00:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: phun phakt: M_DEBUG in gpg-1.4 never worked	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	www.gpg4win.org/ < there we go	[00:01]
felipelalli	In Windows try it: http://www.gpg4win.org/	[00:01]
asciilifeform	explodes into a fiery hell	[00:01]
assbot	Gpg4win - Secure email and file encryption with GnuPG for Windows ... ( http://bit.ly/1iC37et )	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform heh	[00:02]
asciilifeform	the way in which it is written suggests that it ~once~ worked but was mutilated.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	(by whom? i do not know.)	[00:03]
*	asciilifeform replacing the whole bloody mess with own allocator	[00:04]
trinque	felipelalli \| nice! thank you trinque << quite welcome	[00:04]
*	asciilifeform laments having to do this	[00:05]
felipelalli	goodbye guys, good to see you again!	[00:06]
mod6	asciilifeform: you wanna give my changes to V a try? http://dpaste.com/0BE564M.txt	[00:07]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Mg8z2O )	[00:07]
asciilifeform	mod6: this looks nifty, sign & post to ml ?	[00:07]
mod6	yeah, wanna test it a bit more before.. but by the end of the weekend for sure.	[00:07]
*	asciilifeform doesn't like running items that no one has signed	[00:08]
mod6	the changes should make it so that you don't need Graph::Easy until you wanna run the "g" or "graph" command.	[00:08]
asciilifeform	cool	[00:08]
mod6	that's fine.	[00:08]
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asciilifeform	mod6's 'v' is nice'n'polished	[00:09]
mod6	thx! i'll post this change here as soon as I get everything bundled up and the docs altered.	[00:11]
adlai	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-03/that-time-i-tried-to-buy-some-crude-oil "Kaminska insists on paying me by blockchain, the digital ledger system that is currently all the rage on Wall Street."	[00:31]
assbot	That Time I Tried to Buy an Actual Barrel of Crude Oil - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1iC6wKq )	[00:31]
mod6	<+funkenstein_> mod6 ,thanks for the script :D << np	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	that name seems familiar.	[00:33]
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BingoBoingo	you know romania had better guarantees, in writing, than nato is ? << Scammed by "Dallas"	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	howssat ?	[00:42]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b37	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That 80's TV show. They didn't want other arrangements. They wanted Texas's loving arms and ended up with a bunch of empty Yankee promises.	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	heh	[00:47]
deedbot-	[Trilema] The war of the Roses - http://trilema.com/2015/the-war-of-the-roses/	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	Allies with planes their existing stock beats in exercises and whatnot	[00:48]
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BingoBoingo	!up robotnum1	[00:50]
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robotnum1	thank you	[00:51]
BingoBoingo	What brings you around these parts?	[00:53]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[00:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 436.07, vol: 81086.89608211 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 393.803, vol: 43587.99041 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 440.0, vol: 183349.6136867 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.0, vol: 16.01906461 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 462.650158, vol: 118724.88190000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 415.0, vol: 361.2682475 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 416.252, vol: 537.15643628 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[00:56]
gribble	440.782865035	[00:56]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all --currency eur	[00:58]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 397.78497, vol: 81212.59885246 \| BTC-E BTCEUR last: 369.47, vol: 445.76416 \| CampBX BTCEUR last: 388.025, vol: 16.01906461 \| BTCChina BTCEUR last: 423.8038, vol: 118675.86920000 \| Kraken BTCEUR last: 390.0, vol: 30793.0272735 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 380.0, vol: 537.15643628 \| Volume-weighted last average: 409.981740163	[00:58]
BingoBoingo	Seriously nigligible difference	[00:58]
BingoBoingo	400 euros	[00:59]
robotnum1	so how many of you are short at this moment?	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	Das not a very polite question, but I'm about 5'7"	[01:02]
robotnum1	lol	[01:02]
robotnum1	no one know how long this bubble is gonna last. I wish i knew	[01:03]
robotnum1	or rather where it is gonna do a U-turn	[01:04]
kakobrekla	around the moon, naturally	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	And then to mars	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	Not a U-turn, this isn't Missouri so not legal here. A gravity assisted slingshot.	[01:06]
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robotnum1	our of this solar system i suppose	[01:10]
robotnum1	oout*	[01:10]
BingoBoingo	Mebbe?	[01:10]
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mircea_popescu	!up wpalczynski	[01:11]
-assbot-	You voiced wpalczynski for 30 minutes.	[01:11]
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mircea_popescu	so how many of you are short at this moment? << i would be surprised if anyone is short btc.	[01:12]
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BingoBoingo	robotnum1: I've got a movie about market crashes to psych you up if you are short: "My Name is Bill W", has James Woods, not bad for made for tv	[01:13]
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BingoBoingo	Related: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3214	[01:15]
assbot	JL: They Came from Cosmo! ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaFG9O )	[01:15]
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robotnum1	no im not short. im undecided	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	Prolly the best movie about the 1929 crash out there	[01:16]
robotnum1	youtubing	[01:17]
BingoBoingo	just torrent it already. Youtube is nothing but flash and google virii orfice	[01:18]
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BingoBoingo	!up robotnum1	[01:21]
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ben_vulpes	ahaha wut spike lee thinks he's doing lysistrata	[01:26]
asciilifeform	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-03/when-a-127-year-old-u-s-industry-collapses-under-china-s-weight << RIP alcoa	[01:26]
assbot	When a 127-Year-Old U.S. Industry Collapses Under China's Weight - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1QaGT0Z )	[01:26]
ben_vulpes	spacey and chappelle!	[01:28]
asciilifeform	what are those ?	[01:28]
ben_vulpes	things that don't exist in your world iirc	[01:29]
asciilifeform	where might one find them ?	[01:30]
ben_vulpes	perhaps google? imdb might tell of them.	[01:32]
phf	spike lee is making a movie with spacey and chappelle? :o	[01:35]
ben_vulpes	anyone know which contravex piece slit the "car reportering" scam open?	[01:43]
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BingoBoingo	!up robotnum1	[01:54]
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ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2015#1314616 << weapons, too	[02:06]
assbot	Logged on 03-11-2015 04:11:28; mircea_popescu: they have fucking names and people sleep with them in bed.	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	!up felipelalli	[02:06]
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felipelalli	trinque, do you know why my deed wasn't published yet in deedbot.org? Thank you.	[02:07]
trinque	felipelalli: btcd blew up, actually	[02:07]
trinque	I am not yet sure why; it was accepted though, and also the transaction was sent	[02:07]
trinque	so it will be on the website shortly	[02:07]
felipelalli	ah! ok, thank you!	[02:08]
trinque	no problem	[02:08]
trinque	felipelalli: it is about 20 blocks behind at the moment, so it shouldn't be too long, perhaps an hour	[02:09]
felipelalli	trinque, to avoid blew up due to spam txs put this on config:	[02:12]
felipelalli	minrelaytxfee=0.0003 limitfreerelay=3 sendfreetransactions=0	[02:12]
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felipelalli	not sure if it was it, but...	[02:12]
trinque	felipelalli: could very well have been, though I'm going to have to have a talk with runit as to why it wasn't immediately restarted. perhaps it was running slow for a while before death	[02:13]
trinque	I'll look into that for sure, thanks :)	[02:13]
felipelalli	trinque, it worked for me! :)	[02:14]
felipelalli	actually, I just saw right now that my node is also DEAD!! lol	[02:15]
felipelalli	what is going on?	[02:15]
felipelalli	it is weird because I run an instance of testnet and normal node in the same machine and both are dead.	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	heh. alcoa huh	[02:16]
felipelalli	it was unrelated. In my case the HD just crashed. I was using an old external HD :)	[02:17]
felipelalli	It is what looks like when your HD crashes: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Gj6pZ04e	[02:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MGDK9w )	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	"While that’s a big deal for the U.S. industry and the people it employs, it doesn’t mean much for global supplies. Alcoa’s decision to eliminate 503,000 metric tons of smelting capacity accounts for about 31 percent of the U.S. total for primary aluminum, but less than one percent of the global total, according to Harbor."	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	best summary of us importance in the world.	[02:22]
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ben_vulpes	zing	[02:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i gotta ask: what in satan's green earth is a raiserist ?	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	someone who raises.	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	you know, awareness raiserists.	[02:28]
*	asciilifeform went on clearly wrong mental path, tried to picture something pertaining to hans reiser	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	but that's reiser not rAiser.	[02:29]
asciilifeform	ah, yes.	[02:29]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell mod6 s/leafs/leaves	[02:48]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:48]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mod6 in your 'v', gpg doesn't seem to be confined to a temporary state dir !!!?	[02:51]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:51]
asciilifeform	^ this means that attempts to run with smaller subsets of a wot that was ~ever once~ used on the box - will fail !	[02:53]
asciilifeform	(imported keys will stay imported)	[02:53]
asciilifeform	likewise, any keys imported outside of 'v' will be applied by 'v'	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	that's not so good.	[02:53]
asciilifeform	which is not a thing that you want.	[02:53]
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ben_vulpes	code literacy	[03:03]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/04/world/middleeast/ahmad-chalabi-iraq-dead.html	[03:22]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nd3bK6 )	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	^ Godfather of ISIS dead	[03:22]
ben_vulpes	subject of le terror, i rewatched Swordfish last night	[03:28]
ben_vulpes	very amusing that the thing was released on the eve of 9/11	[03:28]
ben_vulpes	halle berry, yo.	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	she's ugly isn't she ?	[03:30]
deedbot-	[cascadian hacker] Inside Apple's perfectionism machine, adnotated - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/03_inside-apples-perfectionism-machine-adnotated.html	[03:31]
BingoBoingo	She goes through phases	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	https://www.quora.com/Who-originated-the-saying-What-fresh-hell-is-this << this posteriorist crap is boggling my mind. so there exists somewhere a schmuck, married by his mugshot, who actually goes around expertly answering questions on social media with regurgitation of other social media sources ? "according to twitter, facebook invented the internet" ?	[03:34]
assbot	Who originated the saying, "What fresh hell is this?" - Quora ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nd3XqH )	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck are these people!	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	who fucks them ? who feeds them ? and most importantly : why ?	[03:35]
BingoBoingo	Obama feeds them	[03:48]
BingoBoingo	Because Obama hates civilization	[03:48]
trinque	deedbot- is having a terrible time getting a node which will speak to him at the moment	[03:51]
trinque	and many orphan blocks	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	teh republic's own ?	[03:53]
trinque	no, and it's high time I switched to the proper client; this has been on btcd for quite a while	[03:55]
BingoBoingo	Throw more RAM at it?	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	More cores?	[03:57]
trinque	2gb ram, using 500mb, 1 core but not using nearly any CPU at the moment	[03:58]
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trinque	the orphan blocks started after 381963	[03:59]
trinque	like so http://dpaste.com/3N40HTC.txt	[04:00]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Wvp9lW )	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	188.68.240.159 88 connections atm.	[04:01]
trinque	mircea_popescu: ty, added and restarted. it's connected, hasn't said anything about a block yet	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/ << check out the scamcoin getting burned into the ground. so after the sucker jump, the volume is up, the mkt cap constant, the price dropping like a rock.	[04:08]
assbot	Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info \| Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	"i have an idea", sez buterin, "let's print and sell eth! it's almost as good as tax and spend!"	[04:08]
trinque	sweet, there it goes with 381964	[04:08]
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Namworld	Is there anyone interested in buying 20% of Coinroll? If he didn't ask in here yet, I know someone who wants to do just.	[04:30]
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punkman	Namworld: how much is that valued at?	[05:33]
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deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b40	[05:57]
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davout	guten morgen	[06:42]
davout	!proxies	[06:42]
davout	$proxies	[06:45]
copypaste	" In other news cazalla wished to take an extended vacation from Bitcoin and recieved a buyout for his board position. " http://qntra.net/2015/11/qntra-s-qntr-october-2015-report/	[06:48]
assbot	Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2015 Report \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q56NE2 )	[06:48]
copypaste	How much was the buyout ?	[06:48]
copypaste	Who took his place, if anyone?	[06:48]
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copypaste	I find it odd this wasn't mentioned.	[06:48]
copypaste	BingoBoingo ^	[06:49]
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punkman	copypaste: was in the logs, rest of the board bought cazalla's shares	[06:50]
copypaste	Gotcha, thank you punkman	[06:52]
davout	copypaste: approx. 10 btc if memory serves	[06:52]
copypaste	& davout :)	[06:53]
gribble	Error: "davout" is not a valid command.	[06:53]
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Namworld	punkman, sorry, no valuation. Unlisted.	[08:15]
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Namworld	It comes with a right to ~50 BTC from undistributed bankroll. So there's already a base price of 2.5 BTC per %. and some offers. Although if you want to make an offer, you should drop a mail at support email or something. Sure our guy would appreciate.	[08:18]
Namworld	All data and stats are public/downloadable on website.	[08:19]
Namworld	I have to log off for now.	[08:19]
Namworld	I'll try and come back around.	[08:20]
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punkman	;;ticker --market all	[08:37]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 466.29, vol: 88333.48927328 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 423.023, vol: 46717.41364 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 471.0, vol: 208567.62850058 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 475.0, vol: 16.06520961 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 493.944359, vol: 119833.32010000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 430.0, vol: 337.16250505 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 458.301996, vol: 615.98618908 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[08:37]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.50002466 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b42	[08:44]
shinohai	http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/tennessee-man-charged-with-raping-wife-in-church-parking-lot-i-am-your-husband-i-can-get-it-anytime-i-want/	[08:58]
assbot	Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuXDyd )	[08:58]
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shinohai	wb wyrdmantis	[09:26]
wyrdmantis	;;isup mpex.co	[09:27]
gribble	mpex.co is down	[09:27]
wyrdmantis	;;isup mpex.ws	[09:27]
gribble	mpex.ws is down	[09:27]
wyrdmantis	hi shinoai	[09:27]
shinohai	think it is down across the board	[09:27]
wyrdmantis	i see	[09:28]
wyrdmantis	why is that?	[09:29]
shinohai	dunno mircea_popescu said sumthin in the lawgs about it crappin out for some unknown reason.	[09:29]
wyrdmantis	shinoai thanks dude, no time to read the logs in this period	[09:31]
shinohai	no worries, I finally stopped being lazy and fixed me ml mail to go to the correct email for btc-dev.	[09:34]
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solrodar	someone's just raised an interesting point at https://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/	[10:24]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 :: 16.09 B (26%) on Yes, 46.75 B (74%) on No \| closing in 1 month 1 week\| weight: 84`375 (100`000 to 20`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mc4SHV )	[10:24]
solrodar	what happens if ALL the bets on one side are refunded?	[10:25]
solrodar	I think the only fair response would be to cancel the whole bet and refund the other side as well	[10:26]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?	[10:44]
punkman	solrodar: that does seem problematic	[10:45]
solrodar	I'd argue that BitBet is holding the pool in trust for the winners	[10:49]
solrodar	if there are no winners, then the whole thing is null and void and the money should be sent back to where it came from	[10:49]
punkman	solrodar: but do the losing bettors have a claim on that money?	[10:53]
mod6	anyway, if thats acceptable, I'll see what I can do about it tonight.	[10:53]
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fluffypony	wow major protests happening in Romania	[11:13]
fluffypony	https://i.imgur.com/gsB8bsM.jpg	[11:13]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1P9byfU )	[11:13]
trinque	mircea_popescu: in my logs, deedbot's btcd eventually disconnected from 188.68.240.159 and began receiving orphan blocks again. after restarting it, it reconnected to your node and is receiving blocks normally again	[11:14]
*	trinque is very suspicious	[11:14]
fluffypony	"32 people died (and a lot more in critical condition) because of a fire in a club last Friday. The problem is that the the local authorities allowed that club to function without even the most basic fire-precaution measures, which essentially led to the fire and that many victims (150 injured and as i said before quite a few in critical condition). With a bit of a bribe you can do anything in Romania."	[11:14]
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shinohai	@ fluffypony yeah I just noticed mircea_popescu home country was having a chimpout wow xD	[11:19]
fluffypony	cray cray	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	soo, re mpex : the trouble has been identified, i'm pretty sure. will be fixed and then tested etc, i expect mpex back before the weekend.	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	trinque sounds suspicious enough.	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ << kinda what "the traditional marriage" institution means innit.	[11:24]
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mircea_popescu	solrodar it is an interesting point.	[11:31]
shinohai	marriage should be like an alliance between friendly nations. Outside of that it is a horrid concept, as defined in the us	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	mod6 yeah i think the idea is to have a temp space.	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony mmyeah, some cattle got burned so now they want the mayor in prison. because logically, that's what matters. when teh politruks set the whole country on fire nobody gave a shit, but god help you if some moos get run over.	[11:34]
fluffypony	lol	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	shinohai here's the problem : explain to me that you are defending "traditional marriage" aka "between a man or a woman" ~for the principle of the thing~ but not at the same time "traditional marriage" aka "the husband can take it whenever he feels like". they're both the same thing.	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	fwiw, the mayor in question is the chimp of all time. known as the aka "piedone", because when he was young http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076544/	[11:36]
assbot	Inspecteur Bulldozer (1978) - IMDb ... ( http://bit.ly/1McenqH )	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	so he wants to be cool like that.	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	sort-of like a dilbert reader going by "colombo" or some equally ridiculous shit.	[11:36]
shinohai	marriage hasn't always been historically defined between solely man and woman though, iirc	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	shinohai because why, nero married a horse ?	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	ofcourse it is, says so right in the churchly book.	[11:37]
*	shinohai wishes there was an actual "#b-a Bible" written in a religious-styled prose ...	[11:39]
solrodar	punkman: in the absence of any precedent or rule for this situation, I suppose nobody has a claim on the money	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	god i hate bucharest. just looking at that picture... brrrrr. but unrelatedly, if you lived behind one of those front windows, and there was a protest at night like that, wouldn't you fuck the woman for the camera ?	[11:39]
solrodar	it would be acceptable for bitbet to destroy it by sending it somewhere provably unspendable, but not to keep it for themselves	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	solrodar the problem with precedent and rule based systems is that you don't know what will happen until it actually happens. i would guess what would happen here would be the bet gets cancelled and so the nos get their btc back too, and perhaps the ability of bet starter to create that clause gets curtailed.	[11:40]
punkman	that would not be acceptable	[11:41]
trinque	felipelalli: http://deedbot.org/bundle-381953.txt << ding	[11:41]
trinque	meanwhile I'm looking into what can be done about the node losing its connection to polite nodes, getting orphans barfed at it by impolite nodes	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	!ticker	[11:41]
assbot	Ah, your hair. Your hair is soft. It's like a girl's. Now how do you get it that way?	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[11:41]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 492.0, Best ask: 492.77, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 491.61, 24 hour volume: 231944.95432189, 24 hour low: 375.02, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[11:42]
punkman	;;ticker --market all	[11:42]
shinohai	twitter has "Recommend to follow" https://twitter.com/PopescuCo	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	holy shit huh.	[11:42]
assbot	Dan Popescu (@PopescuCo) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9eedq )	[11:42]
shinohai	O.o	[11:42]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 489.04, vol: 94353.31745306 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 454.503, vol: 51020.67408 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 491.61, vol: 231944.95432189 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 20.30846861 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 512.056266, vol: 128916.90360000 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 473.541, vol: 764.60162619 \| Volume-weighted last average: 492.567547581	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	trinque this is a gnarly thing that's been being worked on for a while.	[11:42]
punkman	china broke $500 eh	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	so wait... i made a few hundred million while i was sleeping ?	[11:42]
trinque	^notbad.jpg	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	i'm sure teh haters are ecstatic over it.	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	shinohai popescu is like the most common romanian name.	[11:43]
shinohai	I know, it appears like diaz or something round here. It only pops up in there bcuz I follow qntra, et all	[11:44]
shinohai	Smith	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	goldbug too lol. funny. "Consultant - Gold & Silver Analyst - Gold Standard, International Monetary System, Precious Metals, Currencies, Geopolitics, Macroeconomics"	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	consultant @ nothing in particular, doesn't really look the right age range for this nuttery.	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315753	[11:45]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 14:30:30; mircea_popescu: solrodar it is an interesting point.	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	Ethereum (ETH) $ 0.748576 (-24.18 %) 0.00152907 BTC (-39.43 %)	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	you go girl.	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	if anyone was fucktarded enough to buy into the scam on its final phase, i would like to meet them.	[11:52]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315758 << 1 Corinthians 7:3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.	[11:59]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 14:34:09; mircea_popescu: shinohai here's the problem : explain to me that you are defending "traditional marriage" aka "between a man or a woman" ~for the principle of the thing~ but not at the same time "traditional marriage" aka "the husband can take it whenever he feels like". they're both the same thing.	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, check it out, mp's "you don't own your own sex bits" is older than europe!	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	and here we thought he invented it!11	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	so here's something for alf : "Through much of their history US finishing schools emphasized education in the social graces and de-emphasized scholarship: society encouraged a polished young lady to hide her intellectual prowess for fear of frightening away suitors. For instance Miss Porter's School in 1843 advertised itself as Miss Porter's Finishing School for Young Ladies—even though its founder was a noted schola	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	r offering a rigorous curriculum that educated the illustrious classicist Edith Hamilton. Today the situation has reversed: Miss Porter's School downplays its origins as a finishing school, and emphasizes the rigor of its academics." . now check out the banner : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/%22For_God._For_Country._And_for_Yale.%22_Banner.jpg	[12:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1P9gG3s )	[12:03]
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mircea_popescu	"yea is for sex, yale is for anal" etc.	[12:05]
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mircea_popescu	"Phil Schiller, Apple's longtime senior vice president of worldwide marketing5, is waiting for me when I arrive at Building 3 at the company's Infinite Loop headquarters in Cupertino, California on an unusually warm fall day." motherfucker these idiots.	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	"o no we must do the bio insert IT IS HOW WRITING IS DONE!11!"	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	i bet they hit on chicks by schematics, too.	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	i can't fucking read this gunk. /me skips to footnotes, in perhaps the first occurence this century of that once-prevalent approach	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes i have nfi what the 1st note says. can you explain the intended meaning ?	[13:01]
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punkman	http://www.themonitor.com/news/local/cartel-boss-states-we-are-not-terrorists-using-narco-banners/article_62983176-828f-11e5-8614-b79fa686dd4d.html	[13:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1McrCHK )	[13:08]
punkman	"Accused Gulf Cartel boss Juan Manuel Loiza Salinas reassured residents of Reynosa through a series of banners last week that he is a drug trafficker and not a terrorist."	[13:08]
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phf	mod6: original v uses mkdtemp for keyring folder. the general idea is that you don't want to reuse the keyring folder, since it's a place where state is kept for no good reason. you can make sure on startup that you also check that the folder doesn't exist & clean it up before using it, but..	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	"George Bush was one of these people as well. An intimate of his machine once described his public behavior to me, the long and short of which is that the man is excellent at regurgitating that which had been said to him or that he'd heard, and to stitch together a pastiche that can pass for creative conversation, but largely unable to cook up his own output." << sounds like ivy league.	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	the narcs are definitely going to be running mexico going forward.	[13:11]
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mircea_popescu	"True, and disingenous. Truly disingenous. They absolutely are "taking responsibility" for the whole stack, but in the opposite direction of that Moldbuggian notion of the modern bureaucracy dissolving both authority and responsibility across the whole organization. Apple's working quite well to gather the mantle of authority around themselves while avoiding any responsibility at all for the work that they produce."	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	idem. wtf, is there a negation problem ?	[13:16]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: apple, like a time-and-spacewise miniature tabletop model of usa and the west at large, is burnings its furniture.	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	you don't say.	[14:03]
asciilifeform	sorta like i predicted (which wasn't hard, but for some reason nobody gave a flying fuck) in my ancient article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132	[14:04]
assbot	Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrLRp9 )	[14:04]
asciilifeform	;;ticker --market all	[14:06]
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asciilifeform	wai wat	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	are we broke yet ?	[14:06]
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kakobrekla	meat today!	[14:07]
*	asciilifeform equally depressed on ups AND downs, probably to nobody's great surprise	[14:08]
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kakobrekla	i know you hate it.	[14:09]
asciilifeform	l0l	[14:10]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315736 << the way to do it is gpg --homedir /tmp/dirthatyoumadefortheoccasion	[14:10]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 13:43:59; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?	[14:10]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315752 << dan mocsny had great fun with this	[14:11]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 14:23:52; mircea_popescu: Tennessee man charged with raping wife in church parking lot: ‘I am your husband, I can get it anytime I want’ << kinda what "the traditional marriage" institution means innit.	[14:11]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315773 << have you (or anyone else) considered writing a simple tcp proxy for this ?	[14:13]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 14:40:55; trinque: meanwhile I'm looking into what can be done about the node losing its connection to polite nodes, getting orphans barfed at it by impolite nodes	[14:13]
asciilifeform	the whole 'noble nodes' thing is on my plate but i elementarily lack the time right now to do any of it.	[14:13]
asciilifeform	and it sits below 'pogoization' on the list, also.	[14:14]
trinque	you recommend a separate proggy rather than patch to bitcoind?	[14:14]
asciilifeform	presently.	[14:14]
asciilifeform	it doesn't need to do very much.	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	* asciilifeform equally depressed on ups AND downs, probably to nobody's great surprise <<< and this ISN'T a psycological defense!	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	we're miserable and things must not change so we stay that way!	[14:14]
asciilifeform	trinque: the tricky part is that it needs to switch destinations (nodes) when the local node aborts	[14:15]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315616 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/	[14:15]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 04:43:02; ben_vulpes: anyone know which contravex piece slit the "car reportering" scam open?	[14:15]
assbot	A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzHhWo )	[14:15]
trinque	asciilifeform: idea being bitcoind uses -connect=proxy and the proxy handles the other end?	[14:15]
trinque	then maybe munches log looking for signs of rude nodes?	[14:15]
asciilifeform	trinque: the real problem is that -connect results in a castrato node	[14:16]
asciilifeform	(that accepts no connections)	[14:16]
trinque	right, meanwhile addnode is not a guarantee iirc	[14:16]
asciilifeform	aha.	[14:16]
asciilifeform	and no log-munching, what, you need a hard list of friends	[14:17]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315811 << looks like it's missing a "not" in the first sentence	[14:17]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 16:00:49; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have nfi what the 1st note says. can you explain the intended meaning ?	[14:17]
asciilifeform	trinque: i suppose it won't be done until i do it..	[14:17]
trinque	^ bait	[14:17]
trinque	:D	[14:17]
trinque	doesn't sound that hard	[14:17]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315828 << champagne tomorrow !	[14:18]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 17:06:55; kakobrekla: meat today!	[14:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nah it's a perfectly logical sort of depressed. down-->'my pathetic handful of coin won't even pay a month's rent'; up-->'now there's many fewer that i could ever hope to have'	[14:19]
pete_dushenski	but... warrants	[14:19]
pete_dushenski	same as yesterday, neh ?	[14:19]
pete_dushenski	I recently discovered that MACOS 10.10.2 categorically refuses to sleep if a video is playing in Chrome.	[14:20]
pete_dushenski	^saw similarly strange behaviour in 10.10 mba when running 'sophos'	[14:20]
pete_dushenski	craptop was closed, shoulda been asleep, but would magically awake, run, and damn near cook itself to death in an effort to be 'pest free'	[14:21]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: you probably knew this, but i live in 'break my back to pay the bills and with the scraps of time and energy that remain, work on s.nsa' mode.	[14:22]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: note the ordering in the formulation.	[14:22]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315409 << /me dusts off 1870 printing of 'the academic questions'	[14:23]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 02:17:42; mircea_popescu: or pr without cicero	[14:23]
asciilifeform	speaking of this, secmem.c is getting cut and replaced with a stub. because this crud does not belong in mpi, needs to be a quite separate library.	[14:23]
asciilifeform	and it is responsible for most of the #ifdef noise, also	[14:24]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: the carrot dangleth before you, and when you finally taste it, may that fateful day come, you'll be in the unfortunate position of having to find still another carrot to chase.	[14:24]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: i still have my original carrot	[14:24]
asciilifeform	...building a sane computer.	[14:24]
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asciilifeform	i don't expect to live to eat even the very tip of that carrot.	[14:25]
asciilifeform	ars longa.	[14:25]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315803 << i used to work very near the (now - demolished, and replaced with obscenely imitative - of it - sprawl of condos) ruins of a 19th c. 'finishing school.'	[14:26]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 15:02:51; mircea_popescu: so here's something for alf : "Through much of their history US finishing schools emphasized education in the social graces and de-emphasized scholarship: society encouraged a polished young lady to hide her intellectual prowess for fear of frightening away suitors. For instance Miss Porter's School in 1843 advertised itself as Miss Porter's Finishing School for Young Ladies—even thou	[14:26]
asciilifeform	was an interesting sight.	[14:26]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315880 < comes down to the definition of 'living'	[14:27]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 17:24:30; asciilifeform: i don't expect to live to eat even the very tip of that carrot.	[14:27]
asciilifeform	??	[14:28]
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kakobrekla	before bitcoin, i was living in barrel because no matter what i wanst going to be a part of the slave system. you wouldnt call that living.	[14:29]
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asciilifeform	kakobrekla: what kind of barrel ?	[14:29]
kakobrekla	l0l.	[14:30]
pete_dushenski	kakobrekla: and what did you do pre-btc ?	[14:30]
kakobrekla	it was slightly larger than Diogeneses	[14:30]
asciilifeform	i mean, we can infer that kakobrekla's barrel contained a computer and also whatever was required to keep his brain alive and in reasonably well-oiled condition	[14:30]
asciilifeform	this - is living.	[14:31]
pete_dushenski	i might've guessed a stint at a big bank as barrel	[14:31]
kakobrekla	move to MK, rent a flat for 100 bux, a better one than my ex barrel.	[14:31]
*	asciilifeform recalls http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#870766	[14:32]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2014 12:56:26; kakobrekla: i understood this pretty quickly so i never got employed.	[14:32]
kakobrekla	and you think this came without consequences ?	[14:32]
mike_c	what's MK?	[14:32]
asciilifeform	morth korea ?	[14:32]
kakobrekla	macedonia	[14:32]
asciilifeform	barrel is not so terrible. it is being solely a barrel's radius from the mass of stinking, writhing human refuse that typically surrounds the barrel, that is.	[14:36]
asciilifeform	we have a kind of 'barrel' in usa - there is a caste of folks who live in converted 'trailers'	[14:36]
kakobrekla	just keep the top closed.	[14:36]
asciilifeform	(a kind of truck box)	[14:36]
asciilifeform	perfectly fine accommodations, physically - about on par with my old flat. BUT you have to live near the other dalits.	[14:37]
asciilifeform	('trailers' are not permitted in most of usa except in specially-designated leprosoria)	[14:38]
kakobrekla	;;google ohrid	[14:39]
gribble	Ohrid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Ohrid Vacation, Travel, Tourism, Visit Ohrid - Official Web Site of the ...: ; Natural and Cultural Heritage of the Ohrid region - UNESCO World ...:	[14:39]
kakobrekla	is not so bad.	[14:39]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: looks spiffy from the photos	[14:40]
kakobrekla	this is a place where cops still take bribes. all of them.	[14:41]
asciilifeform	like most of the planet.	[14:43]
asciilifeform	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880	[14:43]
assbot	Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her pu	[14:43]
kakobrekla	nah, EU cant bribe a cop. not even in croatia.	[14:44]
asciilifeform	eu is a usg colony	[14:44]
kakobrekla	it changes in bosnia.	[14:45]
asciilifeform	(this is a not altogether bad heuristic for what is a usg colony - can you bribe a traffic cop ?)	[14:45]
asciilifeform	if not --> colony.	[14:45]
shinohai	!s http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/03/hackers-gonna-hack-but-why-maybe-freud-has-the-answer	[14:46]
assbot	Hackers gonna hack, but why? Maybe Freud has the answer \| Technology \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hrpg5U )	[14:46]
assbot	0 results for 'http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/03/hackers-gonna-hack-but-why-maybe-freud-has-the-answer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Ftechnology%2F2015%2Fnov%2F03%2Fhackers-gonna-hack-but-why-maybe-freud-has-the-answer	[14:46]
asciilifeform	'A humanistic, cognitive psychology approach to hacking would be to consider an emotion such as revenge… But my favourite explanation for the academic literature is a Freudian psychoanalytic approach to hacking, which actually conceptualises hacking in Freudian terms as a cyber-sexual urge to penetrate. And there are castration complex overtones in terms of being cut off from the network as well…'	[14:47]
asciilifeform	l0l!!	[14:47]
asciilifeform	can't wait for the психушка !!	[14:47]
asciilifeform	'“What we have to question ourselves is, as a society, do we really want to criminalise 13, 14 and 15 year-olds? Or do we want to understand their behaviour, engage with their incredible skillsets, mentor them and try to point them in the right direction?” she said.' << aha, a course of neuroleptics followed by lifetime indenture at junior www dev work in usg sharashka, is the implication.	[14:49]
asciilifeform	who wouldn't want!11111	[14:49]
asciilifeform	from same fishwrap, equally appetizing,	[14:50]
asciilifeform	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/04/theresa-may-surveillance-measures-edward-snowden	[14:50]
assbot	Theresa May unveils UK surveillance measures in wake of Snowden claims \| World news \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmLrQX )	[14:50]
asciilifeform	'New surveillance powers will be given to the police and security services, allowing them to access records tracking every UK citizen’s use of the internet without any judicial check, under the provisions of the draft investigatory powers bill unveiled by Theresa May.'	[14:51]
asciilifeform	arguably a snore, because in practice usg already had doing-whatever-the-fuck-it-wants-to-whoever-it-wants powerz	[14:52]
kakobrekla	actually iirc there is a huge underground usg army base in mk	[14:57]
kakobrekla	top sekrit stuff	[14:57]
pete_dushenski	one wonders why usg/uk bother with such surveillance legislation at all if they actually have de facto doing-whatever-the-fuck-it-wants-to-whoever-it-wants powerz	[14:58]
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asciilifeform	kakobrekla: aha, why do you suppose they bothered to smash serbia and roll up all of old yugo into usg reich ?	[14:58]
asciilifeform	to make tourist resorts ?	[14:58]
pete_dushenski	superficial politicians want to pretend to matter ?	[14:58]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: 'so that we would ask'	[14:58]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: it's fist-in-the-face psyops	[14:59]
kakobrekla	still better than eu.	[14:59]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: there also a basic trick involved. when you repaint the opposition as 'criminal', it can then be dealt with using police methods, which are cheaper than black bag work	[15:00]
pete_dushenski	seems more like 'we can achieve 90% compliance with 10% effort just by scaring derps into submission'	[15:01]
asciilifeform	and for every brian micon that needs to be tried for 'illegal bitcoining' you have 1,001 schmucks who were afraid to even read about it because 'they log my packetz'	[15:01]
asciilifeform	aha.	[15:01]
pete_dushenski	i've even seen this at usg 'green building' trade shows.	[15:02]
asciilifeform	if mircea_popescu were awake, he would probably say that none of this matters worth a damn	[15:02]
asciilifeform	but i'm not convinced. consider the case of chemistry	[15:02]
pete_dushenski	'don't bring electric power tools because not green!' 'uhhh fuck you'	[15:02]
asciilifeform	which more or less died out as a scientific field in the 'civilized' world.	[15:02]
asciilifeform	(and was never really a thing in the 'uncivilized' - what does a pashtun need it for?)	[15:02]
pete_dushenski	i'd argue that this type of posturing ~does~ matter in the sense that it's a further wedge between ( ) boys and ( ) men	[15:04]
pete_dushenski	if anything, it'll push a few maybe neithers off the fence towards manhood	[15:05]
pete_dushenski	not a bad thing imo	[15:05]
asciilifeform	what, in this case, is 'manhood' ?	[15:05]
asciilifeform	cleaning kalash in kandahar with own piss every morning between goat fucks ?	[15:05]
pete_dushenski	not being afraid of pieces of paper = manhood	[15:05]
pete_dushenski	at least those issued by 'elected politicians'	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	contracts	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	^cat derp	[15:06]
asciilifeform	meanwhile...	[15:06]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki << ph0rk!!	[15:06]
assbot	bips/bip-0065.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmNNiM )	[15:06]
pete_dushenski	*contracts between private individuals being another sort of 'piece of paper' altogether, one obviously needing to be very, very afraid of not honouring	[15:07]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#920112 << see old threaad	[15:07]
assbot	Logged on 13-11-2014 19:04:36; *: asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'	[15:07]
asciilifeform	'In addition to using cold storage, hardware wallets, and P2SH multisig outputs to control funds, now funds can be frozen in UTXOs directly on the blockchain.'	[15:08]
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asciilifeform	'We reuse the double-threshold IsSuperMajority() switchover mechanism used in BIP 66 with the same thresholds, but for nVersion = 4. The new rules are in effect for every block (at height H) with nVersion = 4 and at least 750 out of 1000 blocks preceding it (with heights H-1000..H-1) also have nVersion >= 4. Furthermore, when 950 out of the 1000 blocks preceding a block do have nVersion >= 4, nVersion < 4 blocks become invalid	[15:09]
asciilifeform	, and all further blocks enforce the new rules.'	[15:09]
kakobrekla	worx even with rand() return 4;	[15:10]
asciilifeform	seems like these folks want a replay of the july idiocy ?	[15:10]
pete_dushenski	obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/04/bitcoins-4th-of-july-independence-from-america-day/	[15:10]
assbot	Bitcoin’s 4th of July : INDEPENDENCE FROM AMERICA DAY \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmOgS1 )	[15:10]
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asciilifeform	soooo...	[15:18]
asciilifeform	turns out that one of the users of my personal therealbitcoin node is 'card-ok.com'	[15:18]
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asciilifeform	which per the ru sp4mz0rsphere, https://crdclub.ws/showthread.php?p=97248 -- is a 'carding' service	[15:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PmOWHj )	[15:18]
asciilifeform	used to 'test' stolen cc #s.	[15:18]
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lobbes	l0l, the many eyes that read the logs	[15:20]
asciilifeform	aha	[15:20]
asciilifeform	i don't like manually kicking folks off my node, but this screams of usg entrapment	[15:21]
asciilifeform	so into iptables it goes.	[15:21]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcTC7RkmHac << alf, always a jump ahead	[15:22]
assbot	Aladdin-One Jump Ahead HD (1080p) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmPpsU )	[15:22]
asciilifeform	if osama bin laden goldstein wants to use my box, plz have the decency to call himself something else.	[15:22]
lobbes	'definitelynotisis.com'	[15:23]
*	asciilifeform sadly contemplates unplugging the thing entirely	[15:23]
lobbes	!up thestringpuller	[15:25]
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pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: don't let them scare you !	[15:25]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: you gonna let the USG force you to shut down your node?	[15:26]
asciilifeform	nah i'll wait till they shoot me and cart it off themselves.	[15:26]
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thestringpuller	that's the spirit!	[15:27]
Namworld	In case anyone missed it yesterday, someone is looking to sell 20% of Coinroll	[15:27]
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asciilifeform	i insist on being shot for high treason rather than for somehow associating with spamming scum.	[15:28]
pete_dushenski	Namworld: is 'someone' in the wot ?	[15:28]
asciilifeform	perhaps if tlp were here, he might cry narcissism.	[15:29]
pete_dushenski	we'll point him to the log entry when he arrives	[15:30]
asciilifeform	i suppose this is a good time to point out that i fucking hate common criminals who lack the brains or elementary decency to make themselves any kind of hard target	[15:32]
asciilifeform	they are the fodder on which usg lives.	[15:32]
asciilifeform	and cultivates for its sustenance.	[15:32]
asciilifeform	there are precious few creatures upon satan's green earth more loathesome than the common spammer.	[15:33]
mike_c	jurov: you still own part of coinroll?	[15:33]
asciilifeform	the very examples of the 'disposable males overdue for the meatgrinder' as portrayed in mircea_popescu's articles.	[15:33]
Namworld	jurov does, as well as wao, as well as me. But none of us is selling.	[15:34]
Namworld	The sale will have to go through jurov & wao anyway	[15:35]
pete_dushenski	!gettrust wao	[15:36]
assbot	Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user wao: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=wao \| http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/wao/	[15:36]
jurov	right	[15:36]
mike_c	You each have 20%? Are these "voting" shares or silent-partner type?	[15:37]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski, thestringpuller: the reason i was considering ~not~ keeping a node on my desk is the realization that, if this kind of thing carries on, it cannot really be considered a respectable node.	[15:37]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315891 < missed this; i had a few unrelated gigs which allowed me to be free but not rich	[15:37]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 17:29:23; pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: and what did you do pre-btc ?	[15:37]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla was then rich	[15:38]
asciilifeform	per my standards.	[15:38]
kakobrekla	barrel rich.	[15:38]
pete_dushenski	kakobrekla: no worries, i thought mebbe it was sooper sekrit. but really, no finance background ?	[15:39]
pete_dushenski	u.s. 'hood rich' = e.u. 'barrel rich'	[15:39]
kakobrekla	no, no finance background.	[15:40]
Namworld	No, we don't all have 20%. And these are non-voting shares	[15:43]
Namworld	Although jurov and wao will consider any input/advice you give, they take the decisions.	[15:44]
ben_vulpes	Namworld: it's painful to watch people dragging these details out of you. is there a signed operating agreement in place people can look at somewhere?	[15:46]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?	[15:46]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:46]
ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski has it with the elusive negation	[15:47]
jurov	ben_vulpes there is not anything gpg signed. there was agreement with scrat, but he went mia	[15:47]
ben_vulpes	oh jeez.	[15:48]
jurov	we will draft it if anyone has serious interest	[15:48]
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ben_vulpes	well i'm not but damn this is going to be an expensive price discovery exercise without contracts.	[15:49]
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pete_dushenski	http://altwork.com/ << save the 'angel investor' 'prototype' blah blah, this is an intriguing workspace concept. only about a 2016-btc too	[15:50]
assbot	Altwork Station \| The new way to work ... ( http://bit.ly/1PmSARf )	[15:50]
ben_vulpes	everyone's in the wot (right?) so it should work itself out eventually, but this is an interesting example of how gpgconomy works in contrast to the fiat contracting system.	[15:50]
*	asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.	[15:51]
ben_vulpes	yes, you're all in the wot, so no need for contracts, they're unenforceable anyways. that said, without formalized business relationships, pricing the paper's...complicated.	[15:51]
pete_dushenski	jurov: my guess is that your approach is backwards. should have gpg signed statement FIRST, then serious interest follows	[15:51]
ben_vulpes	like how many non voting shares? how many voting shares? who can issue more shares, and under what conditions?	[15:51]
jurov	no shares	[15:52]
jurov	but you're right	[15:52]
ben_vulpes	and that's just 3 questions that should be wrapped up neatly in the operating agreement.	[15:52]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: keep 'em.	[15:54]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform but does usg really need to honeytrap ? as far as i get it, there is no need for such customs.	[15:54]
pete_dushenski	"Magnets keep all your computer equipment in place, and it moves with you as you change positions. So even while you recline, your monitor and keyboard are proportionally placed for you to continue working." << re: altwork thingie. fuck magnets. give me screws and anchors !	[15:54]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: shrem.	[15:54]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: how does shrem relate?	[15:54]
mike_c	he went to jail?	[15:55]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: usg algo is, as i understand: 1) pick a fella who needs to have problems 2) steer known scum to his $thing 3) have it be established that he knows of (2) 4) pick him up as a thieves' fence	[15:55]
kakobrekla	i thought it was 1) pick up the fella 2) fuck him up	[15:55]
ben_vulpes	what precisely is your concern, though? relaying of 3vil t3rrist txns?	[15:56]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: solution : go kazcynski on their ass	[15:56]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: the 'card-ok' fella insisted on being obvious as daylight	[15:56]
ben_vulpes	shrem was out and out breaking the law	[15:56]
asciilifeform	and i doubt that he ended up on my box by pure accident.	[15:56]
kakobrekla	but anyway, if you dont feel like running a node from home, you should not do it.	[15:56]
asciilifeform	(it is not an ultra-high-bandwidth node)	[15:56]
asciilifeform	problem is that i fucking need a node.	[15:56]
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asciilifeform	and i don't own an impregnable castle where i can leave a machine going.	[15:57]
pete_dushenski	obligatory kaczynski http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/03/hits-and-misses-of-ted-the-unabomber-kaczynski/	[15:57]
assbot	Hits and misses of Ted “The Unabomber” Kaczynski. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktc5vZ )	[15:57]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: how did you get from mocking "omg my packetz" to "omg my packetz"?	[15:58]
*	pete_dushenski off to the races. ciao !	[15:58]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: partly it is because i have a personal hatred of ph0rum sp4mz0r l337 d00dz	[16:00]
asciilifeform	they bring usg with them wherever they go. the way rats bring plague.	[16:02]
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ben_vulpes	so boot 'em	[16:03]
ben_vulpes	that's a sane argument	[16:04]
Namworld	There's no share, just a stake in %. No share dilution as of now. Dilution could appear in the form of allowing investments on the site like other dice site where you can stake the bankroll. Although this would in no way be absolute/permanent.	[16:04]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: prolly gonna turn this thing into a gossipd-style whitelisted node soon.	[16:04]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: aside from stoolies, stooges, and other vermin, i elementarily lack the bandwidth to service the demand (and there is now again - demand)	[16:05]
asciilifeform	but i will also note, when mircea_popescu tells us 'get the everliving fuck out of usa' he has perfectly good reasons for this.	[16:05]
Namworld	Not sure how the transfer would be done, but I'm sure jurov and wao will sign both payment address and amount for the offer and agreement of share ownership upon payment.	[16:05]
Namworld	As for Coinroll's stats and data, it's always been available publicly for download.	[16:07]
ben_vulpes	Namworld: I'm sure you see the problem with statements-in-the-log-as-operating-agreement	[16:12]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: neat! ganbatte.	[16:13]
Namworld	Yes, that's why am saying it can all be signed properly prior to purchase occuring.	[16:14]
Namworld	I just wanted to let it known as I don't think that other guy advertised it around much.	[16:15]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform if not sekrit, which hw raid cards do you use/like?	[16:26]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: pretty old '3ware'	[16:26]
*	kakobrekla currently fuming over hp p410	[16:27]
asciilifeform	the old-fashioned kind, with 64-bit pci (not pcie)	[16:27]
asciilifeform	pretty cheap secondhand, too.	[16:27]
kakobrekla	myea	[16:27]
asciilifeform	configured with an open source command line thing	[16:28]
asciilifeform	can also flash in own fw if you have a favourite.	[16:28]
*	asciilifeform fucking hates 'software raid' in any and all forms	[16:30]
asciilifeform	incidentally hardware raid utterly annihilates (if used correctly - that is, for striping rather than mirroring) all known and unknown 'hdd firmware diddles'	[16:31]
asciilifeform	this is, naturally, at the cost of introducing another closed turd boot rom.	[16:32]
asciilifeform	BUT the latter is an x86 blob and is trivially disassembled	[16:32]
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asciilifeform	unlike hdd fw.	[16:32]
asciilifeform	i made the tradeoff with the full understanding that it was a tradeoff.	[16:33]
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asciilifeform	https://www.rt.com/op-edge/320651-germany-refugees-crisis-bavaria << lulzy. esp. for jurov.	[16:39]
assbot	Migrant crisis pushing Germany towards ‘anarchy and civil war’ — RT Op-Edge ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktimYu )	[16:39]
asciilifeform	and for mircea_popescu, https://www.rt.com/usa/320767-sniper-san-diego-police	[16:40]
assbot	Sniper in San Diego pins down police near airport, Zoo — RT USA ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktiw26 )	[16:40]
jurov	please find anything other than rt. anything.	[16:41]
jurov	even xinhua is miles better than rt	[16:41]
asciilifeform	jurov: largely consists of twatter screencaps	[16:41]
asciilifeform	of course it is possible that putin personally fakes these, aha.	[16:42]
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asciilifeform	jurov: this kind of thing is arranged every time usg needs to ban another type of gun.	[16:43]
asciilifeform	'After weeks of waiting to get registered with Berlin authorities, a group of refugees and migrants have sued Berlin’s main refugee center for failing to grant their asylum benefits on time, which they were promised when Germany took them in.' << lulz	[16:55]
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trinque	asciilifeform: along the lines of the problems with your node, deedbot- now routinely gets orphans and nothing else blasted at it from various IPs, and will at times not be able to reach the node mircea_popescu gave, though I am not presently certain why	[17:10]
trinque	currently it is trying to catch up from the last orphan ass blasting by feeding from mp's node	[17:11]
trinque	and I have given that IP via -connect which unfortunately will keep it from being of use to anyone else	[17:12]
trinque	two things there: one I think I will begin looking into the connect vs addnode tangle this weekend, as it's affecting the proper functioning of the deedbot-	[17:14]
trinque	and two, I would like to move the hosting of the thing off AWS if anyone can recommend a friendlier host	[17:14]
trinque	it would not be surprising to me at all that Amazon obediently fucks with the thing from within	[17:15]
trinque	also, I span up bitcoind-0.5.4-beta last night and it began gagging on orphan blocks around 150k	[17:22]
trinque	this was from a home connection.	[17:22]
trinque	that one I'll restart later and see how it fares.	[17:23]
trinque	if the walls have eyes, the tubes have apparently grown fingers	[17:23]
asciilifeform	trinque: you are probably being blackholes.	[17:46]
asciilifeform	*blackholed	[17:46]
punkman	*cornholed	[17:46]
asciilifeform	trinque: as for hosts, unfortunately i cannot recommend anything at all.	[17:48]
asciilifeform	other than - possibly - mircea_popescu's coming-soon thing	[17:48]
asciilifeform	supposing that it comes, and works	[17:48]
asciilifeform	but it is likely to be expensive.	[17:48]
trinque	it is munching on the IP from mp successfully for now	[17:49]
ben_vulpes	i suspect that the operational protocol must be "one node for the network, one node for infrastructure"	[17:52]
ben_vulpes	eg if you want to run a node for infrastructure, you should -connect it to a synced node -addnode'd to the network at large.	[17:53]
trinque	really needs the wotnet to function properly, and this still doesn't fix black holing, just mitm	[17:56]
trinque	needs wotnet-radio	[17:57]
ben_vulpes	i'm still kindastonished the thing never had encrypted connections.	[17:59]
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ben_vulpes	funkenstein_: your ip is leaking	[18:00]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: how do you do encrypted connections without gossipd ?	[18:02]
trinque	ben_vulpes: I'm glad the guy didn't just bolt ssl to the thing	[18:02]
trinque	could've	[18:02]
asciilifeform	trinque: hearn did !	[18:02]
trinque	big surprise	[18:02]
punkman	can ssh tunnel to trusted nodes	[18:03]
asciilifeform	people do this, yes.	[18:03]
funkenstein_	thx. happy V day all	[18:03]
funkenstein_	trinque: I don't know who they are but i have had some luck with bitcoincloud.eu vps	[18:06]
asciilifeform	if anybody's gonna 'obediently fucks with the thing from within' it'll be a bitcoin-themed isp from somewhere far outside the wot.	[18:06]
punkman	http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 lol	[18:10]
assbot	From kafkatrap to honeytrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktx7KJ )	[18:10]
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asciilifeform	'Linus is never alone at any conference. This is not because he lets fame go to his head and likes having a posse around. They have made multiple runs at him.'	[18:13]
mike_c	I am not understanding this romanian mess.. what the hell does some fire in a club have to do with the PM	[18:15]
asciilifeform	from the commentz: 'Why not honeytrap the honeytrappers with hidden audio/video recording devices? They might be illegal to use without consent in your jurisdiction, but then you need not reveal the recordings until you need to, and I don’t think “Arrest him for illegally recording evidence that proves my rape allegation was fake!” would fly.'	[18:17]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315702 << Myself and MP.	[18:18]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 09:47:50; copypaste: Who took his place, if anyone?	[18:18]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315703 << Gotta watch the logs, but big transactions happen in deedbot	[18:19]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 09:47:56; copypaste: I find it odd this wasn't mentioned.	[18:19]
asciilifeform	'This is SOP for STEM/Biz profs, too. Never be alone with female students. Never mentor them. Never supervise a graduate thesis. A bad review/grade turns into a sexual harassment claim far too easily.'	[18:20]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316024 << Don't have bong	[18:32]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 18:45:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?	[18:32]
*	asciilifeform misread as 'don't have dong'	[18:33]
asciilifeform	which - perhaps - also would work	[18:33]
BingoBoingo	lol	[18:41]
BingoBoingo	My take on shrem though was the magazine profile where the reporter mentioned his smoking lamp out in the open made him irredeemably a "drug criminal" in the eyes of USG	[18:42]
asciilifeform	it is why he 'had to have problems', rather than why he had problems	[18:45]
asciilifeform	if this makes any sense	[18:45]
asciilifeform	his public dope was an insult to the crown	[18:45]
asciilifeform	an insult uttered in front of the cattle	[18:45]
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BingoBoingo	yes	[19:03]
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lobbes	in other lulz: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/11/04/lally-deamicis-brockton-quincy-elections/	[19:11]
assbot	Teen Candidates Win Elections In Brockton, Quincy « CBS Boston ... ( http://bit.ly/1LQsMe9 )	[19:11]
punkman	and what of the 100 million people smoking/selling dope openly on twitter,facebook,youtube,topix,etc	[19:11]
punkman	not insult to crown?	[19:11]
asciilifeform	punkman: roland freisler only has so many blocks on his calendar.	[19:13]
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shinohai	;;ticker	[19:16]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 416.56, Best ask: 416.57, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 416.0, 24 hour volume: 234623.51943093, 24 hour low: 396.89, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[19:16]
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shinohai	dat fall	[19:16]
punkman	;;ticker --market all	[19:18]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 421.13, vol: 98522.50357252 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 419.555, vol: 49462.91604 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 234623.51943093 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 477.99, vol: 15.18921874 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 467.100624, vol: 125647.01910000 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 407.5875, vol: 769.35246699 \| Volume-weighted last average: 431.784334787	[19:18]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[19:18]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 422.0, vol: 98532.00357252 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 418.0, vol: 49462.91604 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 422.78, vol: 234623.51943093 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 477.99, vol: 15.18921874 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 470.439672, vol: 125652.90920000 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.7185, vol: 769.40217199 \| Volume-weighted last average: 433.890911628	[19:19]
shinohai	kek	[19:19]
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BingoBoingo	It seems this current volatility is a delayed response to drama season. I predict moar wild swings as all this pent up drama acts on Bitcoin price after having been suppressed so long	[19:32]
jurov	lol, bitcoin is ccoming out of the closet?	[19:35]
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BingoBoingo	Prolly	[19:37]
BingoBoingo	Not even wrong http://blocksize.org/contra.html	[19:39]
assbot	Blocksize BIP 103 ... ( http://bit.ly/1WwRYhJ )	[19:39]
BingoBoingo	WTF now rejecting BIPs is its own BIP	[19:40]
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deedbot-	[Qntra] Fox Lake "Hero" Officer Accused of Suicide and Embezzlement - http://qntra.net/2015/11/fox-lake-hero-officer-accused-of-suicide-and-embezzlement/	[19:59]
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asciilifeform	!up imposter	[20:04]
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imposter	hello	[20:04]
imposter	is this the trollbox?	[20:05]
BingoBoingo	It is a Trollbox	[20:05]
asciilifeform	nah this is the lolbox	[20:05]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/QUus5	[20:05]
assbot	Please don't "fat shame" in catbellies : catbellies ... ( http://bit.ly/1WwUZ1B )	[20:05]
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BingoBoingo	"While we can all agree that pet obesity is a problem, and obviously not healthy for our feline friends, please refrain from commenting here about it. Users have been banned, and I hate having to do it. So please don't make me."	[20:06]
BingoBoingo	!up r0kit	[20:06]
shinohai	srsly	[20:06]
*	assbot gives voice to r0kit	[20:06]
imposter	how can i bitcoin	[20:06]
BingoBoingo	Sharpie in pooper?	[20:06]
shinohai	hue	[20:06]
imposter	how can to blockchain	[20:06]
imposter	waht do private keyy	[20:06]
BingoBoingo	;;google they really are buttcoins nao	[20:06]
gribble	They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; February 2013 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.:	[20:06]
r0kit	hi all	[20:06]
imposter	sup f3kit	[20:07]
r0kit	free fallin is up	[20:07]
jurov	or write code on ur manboobs	[20:09]
shinohai	Classic BingoBoingo .... I thought I remembered you getting someone to do sharpie-in-bunghole on CC one night.	[20:09]
imposter	r0kit are we rich yet?	[20:11]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: I didn't start it, hanbot did on bitcointalk	[20:12]
shinohai	Is there anything hanbot can't do?	[20:13]
asciilifeform	!down imposter	[20:16]
*	assbot removes voice from imposter	[20:16]
asciilifeform	!down r0kit	[20:16]
*	assbot removes voice from r0kit	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	!ticker	[20:19]
assbot	Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[20:19]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 398.98, Best ask: 399.25, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 398.77, 24 hour volume: 261789.41865278, 24 hour low: 366.66, 24 hour high: 504.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	o hey back to 400 ?	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	what a day.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform say wut ?	[20:20]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: see thread	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	mk will be a moment.	[20:20]
asciilifeform	short ver: prolly my overactive imagination	[20:20]
*	asciilifeform spent more or less his entire free time in the past 2 wks reverse-engineering and auditing gpg, incl. compiled binaries. this has a certain effect on the soul.	[20:21]
shinohai	relax and have some tea or something. sheesh.	[20:22]
asciilifeform	shinohai: how could any of it be done without tea	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315850 << kinda how the shittrain is ordered currently, but seems far from optimal.	[20:23]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 17:14:50; trinque: asciilifeform: idea being bitcoind uses -connect=proxy and the proxy handles the other end?	[20:23]
asciilifeform	^ can't accept incoming sockets if you -connect	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a) no depressed is ever logical ; b) no depressed ever admits to this.	[20:24]
*	asciilifeform powerless in the face of this magic	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315896 << what's mk ?	[20:26]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 17:30:46; kakobrekla: move to MK, rent a flat for 100 bux, a better one than my ex barrel.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	oh nm.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315904 << among them, vin diesel.	[20:26]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 17:35:49; asciilifeform: we have a kind of 'barrel' in usa - there is a caste of folks who live in converted 'trailers'	[20:27]
asciilifeform	and marie antoinette lived in a peasant hutch, aha.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315946 << the notion that those matter is obscene.	[20:29]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 18:00:34; asciilifeform: and for every brian micon that needs to be tried for 'illegal bitcoining' you have 1,001 schmucks who were afraid to even read about it because 'they log my packetz'	[20:29]
shinohai	I have tinfoil over mah ethernet cables, I'm safe.	[20:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they don't matter outside of the leprosorium, no	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	or inside.	[20:30]
asciilifeform	but i happen to be inside.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck cares what derpy popcollar aspie[rational] mba does or doesn't do.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	hey, i like that. aspie[rational]. it describes so very much, from the bayesian pseudoscientards to web analytics derps.	[20:31]
asciilifeform	elsewhere i noted the example of hobby chemistry - where also it seemed that 'how could it possibly matter what derpy kids dare or don't dare to do, and whether they can get ingredients' but it turned out to.	[20:32]
asciilifeform	as in, the whole field pretty much died - at least on this side of the atlantic	[20:32]
ben_vulpes	http://matrix.org/	[20:32]
assbot	Matrix.org \| A new basis for open, distributed, real-time communication ... ( http://bit.ly/1WARu56 )	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	next i'm gonna read about how the us mattered scientifically at some point in its history ?	[20:33]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: ick	[20:33]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: go on...	[20:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: very briefly, 1870-1970 or so.	[20:33]
shinohai	protonmail still under ddos hue	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	re the peter todd nlocktime derpage : there exists a perfectly legitimate problem with anchoring bitcoin time to political time.	[20:34]
BingoBoingo	* asciilifeform powerless in the face of this magic << Serenity to accept the things that cannot change, courage to change the things that can, wisdom to know the difference (TM)(R)	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	the solutions proposed aren't very good, but this does not make the problem go away	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i fail to see it as anything other than john smithing.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	to me he's the archetypical ustardian scientist.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	"translating" "ancient egyptian" with rocks in a hat.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: tricky bit. the folks who mattered (nick t., o. lilienfeld - semiconductor, the lot) weren't u.s. bred	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	but they did their thing there, because cheap moneyz.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	to that sort of thing, there isn't a there.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	there only is a who.	[20:36]
*	asciilifeform to the extent he is good for anything, isn't really a product of usa either	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	which is why the republic doesn't (and currently shouldn't) be a place.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	it should be a who.	[20:36]
asciilifeform	still gotta park the whos somewhere.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	gotta park the hos anywhere.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	that's a chief point on the ho training schedule.	[20:36]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[20:37]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/07M8JR5.txt )	[20:37]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316243 << at one point (see old logz) i came very close to solving this. basic idea is to set up a dynamic equilibrium situation where anyone who deviates from correct wallclock time becomes prey in proportion to this deviation.	[20:39]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 23:33:14; mircea_popescu: re the peter todd nlocktime derpage : there exists a perfectly legitimate problem with anchoring bitcoin time to political time.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	anyway, why are we even discussing the nlocktime thing ? lot of version 4 blocks or what ?	[20:39]
asciilifeform	but unfortunately i have not the time and energy to flesh this out into a working mechanism	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	the best thing you can do for it is to get the pogo ready to go.	[20:40]
*	asciilifeform ^ ought to have an abbreviation for the above.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	we aren't relaying nonconformant blocks.	[20:40]
*	asciilifeform sure as fuck won't be	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	this is not the same thing.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315984 << this is inept policy. the correct move is not to care.	[20:41]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 18:20:23; asciilifeform: so into iptables it goes.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	if you care, then the argument is why do you care about this but not thatr, and sooner or later you won't notice one.	[20:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i realized this when it was too late.	[20:41]
asciilifeform	and i had already mentioned it.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	ask first, act after.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	k	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	my god these strawberries are great.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315996 << lmao you don't understand how the world works.	[20:42]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 18:27:40; asciilifeform: i insist on being shot for high treason rather than for somehow associating with spamming scum.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	treasonous nsa subdirectorate head got done for "killing people" the [meanwhile deceased] chief of police killed.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	you're a weirdo, so my money's on you going for "sex crimes".	[20:43]
*	asciilifeform will have to study hard for this one	[20:43]
BingoBoingo	Let us not forget unsolvable police killing becomes suicide of disgrace http://qntra.net/2015/11/fox-lake-hero-officer-accused-of-suicide-and-embezzlement/	[20:43]
assbot	Fox Lake "Hero" Officer Accused of Suicide and Embezzlement \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMjHUI )	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	lmao accused of suicide	[20:43]
BingoBoingo	Seriously	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	that place is so lulzy...	[20:44]
BingoBoingo	accused of suicide	[20:44]
BingoBoingo	Tis a felony here	[20:44]
BingoBoingo	Not attempting, but succeeding	[20:44]
asciilifeform	l0l do they help finish ya off	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	like it was in spain.	[20:44]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Nope, just shuttle you to the trailer living caste	[20:45]
*	shinohai is a proponent of legal euthanasia.	[20:45]
asciilifeform	shinohai: all of us has legal euthanasia. just point a pen knife at a cop.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316024 <<< ahahaha what!	[20:46]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 18:45:43; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what is the proper defence against getting 'shremmed' ?	[20:46]
shinohai	I prefer wine laced with hemlock but whatevs.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this was in reference to the carder episode	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	the "thread" isn't a thread nor does it make it any clearer. what magic talismans are you asking of ?	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	i still don';t get it.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	none, realized the correct answer at the end.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[20:46]
shinohai	Anyoone ever notice te striking resemblnce between Gavin & Porky Pig ?	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316029 <<< i have a faint recollection of the thing being in this "we'll draft it" position before and magically not getting drafted.	[20:47]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 18:47:41; jurov: we will draft it if anyone has serious interest	[20:47]
BingoBoingo	http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature16057.html << Note they decline to identify the antiboitic in the conjugate without paying for the paper, leaving open the possibility one of the many agents more effective than vancomycin was used.	[20:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GMk9SW )	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316034 << a) get out of the us. now. shut the rationalizations, i really don't want to hear them, there's no excuse ; b) make a pile of dead droppable content ; c) surround yourself with angry people with guns, bonus points if female.	[20:48]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 18:50:13; *: asciilifeform would like input from his WoT re: what is the correct thing to do with obvious usg honeytrapping as described earlier.	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	in that order.	[20:49]
BingoBoingo	WOrthless abstract	[20:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you forgot: the broomstick.	[20:49]
asciilifeform	which i suppose is d)	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	as v.i.lenin said, people who get involved in revolutions best learn to like prison food.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	i think it was in http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/	[20:50]
assbot	Cine se casatoreste... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMkmWp )	[20:50]
asciilifeform	in all fairness, the prison lenin sat in was a joke compared to present-day	[20:50]
asciilifeform	you could just up and walk out.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	anyway, in the general, this is the closed form life equation of people doing something worthwhile : they have a terrible time as kids because their parents are idiots ; they get fucking stampeded as adults, because people are lazy ; they get all the accolades, moneys and bitches when they're old, because it doesn't do anything for them anymore (thus it's finally safe) ; once they're dead they get to be the face sellin	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	g whatever stupid shit, because they can no longer protest.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	sop.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	not likely to change for you.	[20:52]
*	asciilifeform has a very special loathing for 'tesla' car, solely on account of the name abuse	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	fine example.	[20:52]
asciilifeform	there is, i regret to say, also an 'intel edison' (small pc thing)	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	they had a bullshit college in ro, which yielded http://trilema.com/2009/n-am-putea-sa-avem-si-noi/	[20:53]
assbot	N-am putea sa avem si noi on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMkDbM )	[20:53]
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asciilifeform	and there was even an 'nvidia tesla' gpu card.	[20:53]
asciilifeform	let's not forget galois corporation	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	(rthere should be an office to approve usage of names for purposes, consisting of a clerk with a REJECTED stamp)	[20:53]
asciilifeform	i could carry on, but why.	[20:53]
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asciilifeform	most don't get to stage 3 though.	[20:54]
asciilifeform	just skip straight to dead.	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316047 <<< this is such a deep misrepresentation of the shrem thing as to boggle the mind.	[20:56]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 18:54:25; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: usg algo is, as i understand: 1) pick a fella who needs to have problems 2) steer known scum to his $thing 3) have it be established that he knows of (2) 4) pick him up as a thieves' fence	[20:56]
*	asciilifeform will admit that he did not closely follow the case	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	do you actually know what happened there and deliberately misrepresent or do you just use in your thought process things you understand at fishwrap level ?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	well looky here! why are you using things you don't know!	[20:57]
asciilifeform	because i have 36 hands and they're all full ?	[20:57]
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mircea_popescu	do you program like this too ? "fuck knows what this function does but the name seems to have the right number of vowels" ?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	!up Cristina	[20:57]
-assbot-	You voiced Cristina for 30 minutes.	[20:57]
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mircea_popescu	this is not an excuse.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	if you can't do something right don't do it.	[20:57]
asciilifeform	sometimes it tries to do me, however.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	derp conspired with some other derp to break the very promises he made in writing to the usg!	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	how many degrees of separation is this ? didja sign a promise to the usg to police the blockchain ?	[20:59]
asciilifeform	iirc it went something like 'shrem sold a candybar to dpr while knowing what dpr did'	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[20:59]
*	asciilifeform goes and reads.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	shrem registered as a money transmitter, and named himself as the agent in charge of making sure ustardation is implemented.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	then shrem met some derp at a bar and they came up with a plan which consisted of shrem not noticing the derp is doing the opposite	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	then the derp told on him.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	i think i realized what i did here	[21:00]
asciilifeform	confused the florida fool for shrem	[21:00]
asciilifeform	what was that one's name...	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	who, the death&taxes dude ?	[21:00]
BingoBoingo	Gerland I thought wasn't florida, but Shrem had a florida dude	[21:01]
asciilifeform	http://qntra.net/2014/12/judge-rejects-florida-mans-bid-to-dismiss-case << this one, i think	[21:01]
assbot	Judge Rejects Florida Man's Bid to Dismiss Case \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMllFU )	[21:01]
*	mircea_popescu shrug	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	typical "do not live in the us" fodder.	[21:02]
asciilifeform	no shortage of this, mircea_popescu	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	could get "caught" in a "sting" for selling a used fridge for 525 dollars	[21:02]
asciilifeform	i fully expect to.	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	supermarkets here want to see id for cash payments over ~100 dollars. everyone else pays you a discount because well, they don't actually report/pay the tax.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	incomprehensibly, a few people still use the supermarkets.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	where?!	[21:04]
asciilifeform	in ar ?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	everywhere ? yeah.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	l0l!!	[21:04]
asciilifeform	turns out usa is 'land of ze phreeedom'	[21:04]
asciilifeform	no id for cash.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	spend a whole sack.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	(just don't be found with it at traffic stop)	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	i love it, really. it's basically a tax on supermarkets.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	(but ftr, china is land of the freedom. they actually and specifically do not do any of the aml bs.)	[21:05]
asciilifeform	let's try a phun experiment:	[21:06]
asciilifeform	;;google m_debug gpg never worked	[21:06]
gribble	Using the GNU Privacy Guard: GPG Configuration Options - GnuPG: ; gpg manpage - GnuPG: ; Using the GNU Privacy Guard: GPG Esoteric Options - GnuPG:	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	here's a tidbit : all "named" banks actually operate under license, separately. because the chinese will strangle you if you actually send info over.	[21:06]
asciilifeform	hm. from my ip it ends in on log.b-a	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	and so the westerners are too petrified by the double whammy, and can't operate themselves.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i see what gribble sees.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	unsurprise.	[21:07]
*	asciilifeform collected five versions of gpg, not in one is the thing actually implemented	[21:08]
asciilifeform	ergo the last time anyone could have easily tested the allocator is - at the very latest - 1997	[21:08]
asciilifeform	supposing it were ever tested	[21:08]
asciilifeform	and (and i could go on and on) the thing is implemented in a profoundly braindamaged way	[21:09]
asciilifeform	as a kind of reimplementation of malloc that... uses malloc internally for the segments !	[21:09]
asciilifeform	how hard would it have been to allot a static buffer at warmup ?!!!!!	[21:09]
asciilifeform	how easy it would have been to bitwalk it (like the braindead 'secmem' thing in gpg insists on doing PER SEGMENT !!?!!!)	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	you're not trying to argue that gpg is to be replaced are you ?	[21:10]
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asciilifeform	i'm trying to salvage what is salvageable.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	and the answer turns out to be 'precious little'	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	aite. nothing wrong with putting the many warts in the log, either	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	just, you sound so indignantly surprised.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	i cannot help but be surprised when i encounter, in the old words of ben_vulpes, 'clown cars glued to a spinning ceiling'	[21:11]
asciilifeform	someone worked astonishingly hard to make this thing a nearly-incomprehensible morass.	[21:12]
asciilifeform	incidentally - there is a very convenient 1-byte flag, that, if 'poked', will instantly cause gpg to use ordinary (paged) memory.	[21:13]
asciilifeform	this is AT RUNTIME	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316085 << not so.	[21:14]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 19:30:55; asciilifeform: incidentally hardware raid utterly annihilates (if used correctly - that is, for striping rather than mirroring) all known and unknown 'hdd firmware diddles'	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	people tend to use the same exact hdd in raid	[21:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and how is one to conspire with the others ?	[21:15]
asciilifeform	if each holds a reed-solomon stripe	[21:15]
asciilifeform	let's say there are 4 of'em.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	i suppose i should have said "not necessarily"	[21:15]
asciilifeform	which is why i said 'when used correctly'	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	aha. yea.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	but yes, if the disks 'know' (somehow) that you have a raid-5 of n disks, using a particular controller, they could, e.g., 'agree' to return a patched boot sector.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	but they must know without fail. otherwise the offending disk gets thrown out.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	not like this doesn't happen	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	think about it.,.. well, i dunno how much experience you have with it, but	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	"fail new disk" error rate seems to be 5 to 10x higher in raid setups than in solo setups.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	.... why ?	[21:17]
asciilifeform	because a solo will happily carry on with a rotten disk ?	[21:18]
asciilifeform	how's he to know	[21:18]
asciilifeform	a solo disk doesn't get thrown out, typically, until it begins to smoke	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	perhaps.	[21:18]
asciilifeform	raid also tends to be used by folks who run boxes 24/7, and hot	[21:19]
asciilifeform	which brings out the duds.	[21:19]
asciilifeform	another thing is that the drives usually share power rail and one can cascade-kill the rest	[21:19]
shinohai	see bitcointalk going down every 2 weeks for an example of shitty raid configs.	[21:19]
asciilifeform	(it is an inductive load, thinkaboutit)	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	says Hansjoerg Mueller of the Alternative for Germany party.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	ahahah.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform inductive ? not for ssds, no ?	[21:21]
asciilifeform	no.	[21:21]
asciilifeform	mechanicals.	[21:21]
asciilifeform	ssds are, as a general rule, made of old toilet paper, however.	[21:21]
asciilifeform	(or may as well be)	[21:21]
BingoBoingo	for the cockroachologists: "The Patriots tight end claimed in a recent published memoir -- which he totally wrote all by himself -- that he has yet to touch one dime of his signing bonus or NFL contract money and that everything he has been spending has come from endorsements." http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/156348992/rob-gronkowski-money-advice-gronkonomics	[21:22]
assbot	Rob Gronkowski offers financial tips ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMn4v0 )	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316103 << code to properly handle the republic's own nodes would be a good move forward.	[21:23]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:17; trinque: two things there: one I think I will begin looking into the connect vs addnode tangle this weekend, as it's affecting the proper functioning of the deedbot-	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	i think you probably recall the design discussions for this ?	[21:23]
asciilifeform	the most basic thing would be to permit a static nodelist.	[21:23]
asciilifeform	(snarfed up at warmup)	[21:23]
asciilifeform	with the selector respecting ordering.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[21:24]
gribble	Current Blocks: 382088 \| Current Difficulty: 6.225398244976082E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 383039 \| Next Difficulty In: 951 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 1 hour, 22 minutes, and 32 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	i'm up to date, 105 connections.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	a ton of orphan blasting, looking through the logs, but they don't actually do anything to me.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316104 << sadly, no.	[21:25]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 20:13:41; trinque: and two, I would like to move the hosting of the thing off AWS if anyone can recommend a friendlier host	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	finding a solution to the hosting problem, a ~correct~ solution is actually higher priority than anything else atm.	[21:26]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316307 it was drafted and submitted to mpex and havelock, that did not work out, so we just coasted on.	[21:26]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 23:46:19; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316029 <<< i have a faint recollection of the thing being in this "we'll draft it" position before and magically not getting drafted.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	but pretty much the only thing western kids wanna do is derp with webdev ; and the eastern kids wanna polish the kalash.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	btw bucephalus up for 44 days contiguous	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	nobody wants to do anything useful.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	46 conns	[21:26]
*	asciilifeform wants useful but there is only one of him	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	eh dun take it personally, i'm talking of everyone else.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	l0l	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	"if you don't read it - it's for you"	[21:27]
*	asciilifeform mildly surprised that bucephalus has not exhausted memory quite yet	[21:27]
asciilifeform	but it is very close.	[21:28]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316132 << mno.	[21:29]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 21:05:09; funkenstein_: trinque: I don't know who they are but i have had some luck with bitcoincloud.eu vps	[21:29]
asciilifeform	b. has 4G of addressable ram. it is approx. the size of a hardcover book, and lives in a locked cage.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	derpy resellers are right out. machines in natoland are right out. derps unable/unwilling to wot are right out. etc.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform cage where ?	[21:30]
asciilifeform	usa.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	in a run-down part of town. office, not datacentre.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	mk	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316137 << MOOOO	[21:31]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 21:14:52; mike_c: I am not understanding this romanian mess.. what the hell does some fire in a club have to do with the PM	[21:31]
asciilifeform	whole thing services by ancient 10mb link	[21:31]
asciilifeform	*serviced	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907 << certainly. this is how stupid women go for attention, ever since 6th grade.	[21:32]
assbot	From kafkatrap to honeytrap ... ( http://bit.ly/1ktx7KJ )	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	a society that doesn't bitchslap them opens itself to this sort of gunkification.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	a very simple solution is, "never fuck newbies without at least one slavegirl participating"	[21:34]
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mircea_popescu	but i can foresee alf going "broomstick" at me.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	yet it's not my fault the models you all learned as children are constructed to serve your society, not your own needs and interests.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	learn better models or drone on, whatevs.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	better model often asks one to die	[21:35]
BingoBoingo	Nah, makes perfect sense you gotta bring your own orgy to the one night stand	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	always.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	because - elementarily - not room for many mircea_popescu on one planet.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	better model; always asks current ego to die because current ego is a piece of shit.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	!s chicken also wants	[21:36]
assbot	3 results for 'chicken also wants' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chicken+also+wants	[21:36]
asciilifeform	http://www.ruthenia.ru/folklore/neckludov19.htm	[21:36]
asciilifeform	^ canonical.	[21:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GMo1mS )	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	btw does that carry any petuk subtext ?	[21:36]
asciilifeform	quite possibly.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	'Цыпленок тоже хочет жить.'	[21:37]
asciilifeform	http://a-pesni.org/dvor/cyplenok.php << moar history	[21:38]
assbot	Неизв. авторы - Цыпленок жареный (с нотами и видео) ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMo4PI )	[21:38]
asciilifeform	specifically 'образ "цыпленка пареного" как символ обывателя, который "просто хочет жить"' >> the image of a steamed chicken as a symbol of a jwz who 'only wants to live'	[21:39]
*	mircea_popescu is sadly too busy to pursue this folklore angle.	[21:40]
*	asciilifeform leaves it in the logz for the idlerz	[21:40]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHQDpGv19kM	[21:40]
assbot	Аркадий Северный Цыпленок жареный - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMog1e )	[21:40]
asciilifeform	^ prison version	[21:41]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316143 << this stupidity is perhaps the finest exercise in "how to fuck up women under the guise of protecting their rights".	[21:42]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 21:19:42; asciilifeform: 'This is SOP for STEM/Biz profs, too. Never be alone with female students. Never mentor them. Never supervise a graduate thesis. A bad review/grade turns into a sexual harassment claim far too easily.'	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	who suffers ? the middling comnpetent female.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	hey the chicken just wants to live	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	which is EXACTLY the sort the female-politics niggers HATE to see	[21:42]
asciilifeform	or what, you think a prof can afford to defend himself ?	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	if all females were she-rakims their life would be so smooth.	[21:42]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't mind in the slightest - more flesh for me.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	to pick among.	[21:43]
asciilifeform	i thought mircea_popescu considered most of said flesh far too contaminated for any practical use	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	depends how determined & obedient.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	it is, contrary (to whose surprise ?) to what the derps try to tell them, pretty much the only important characteristic.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	i can teach constitutional law to a rodent that's obedient and determined, enough of it at any rate to surpass the present mulatto in chief.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	eh that last one's not so hard	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless.	[21:45]
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mircea_popescu	lol is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315827 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1316197 supposed to be like, trolling or something ?	[21:52]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 17:05:49; mircea_popescu: are we broke yet ?	[21:52]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 23:11:00; imposter: r0kit are we rich yet?	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	"How long would it take for Toyota to start living up to these accusations in earnest? And why should it not do so? What is to be gained from corporate sainthood?" << "De ce te uiti de parca ti-am furat ceva. Daca tot te uiti asa, mai bine ti-as fura."	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	falsely complain of rape ? get raped. might as well.	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	what exactly does one have to gain by NOT doing it ?	[21:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in english they say 'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	not the same sentiment.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	i think maybe the white rapper guy had some verse to the point	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	my memory fails me	[21:57]
pete_dushenski	more of a double jeopardy	[21:57]
pete_dushenski	white rapper = eminem ?	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	aha	[21:58]
BingoBoingo	white rapper = Little Debbie?	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	(the original, ie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZrgcSQRN0U says "why do you look at me as if i stole from you ? if you're gonna do that, i might as well...)	[22:00]
assbot	B.U.G. Mafia - Cuvinte Grele (feat. Puya, Luchian, Maximilian, Pacha Man & ViLLy) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nf0rvQ )	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but entertain me, for my own education, on a purely business matter of some public interest.	[22:01]
asciilifeform	shoot	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	i could spend money to have eulora interface translated into some sort of an iapp. it'd prolly work, more or less. i... aren't bothering myself with actually doing this.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	do you not count it as an example of developer eschewing the monopoly ? and to apple's detriment ?	[22:02]
asciilifeform	it'd have to be sideloaded	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	sure, they got a monopoly on all the candy crush. so ?	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	what is "sideloaded" ?	[22:02]
asciilifeform	run solely on cracked machines	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[22:02]
asciilifeform	apple demands that any transfer of value of whatever kind inside an ipnohe proggy happen using their system	[22:03]
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asciilifeform	with their vig taken.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	there is no "transfer of value" within eulora	[22:03]
asciilifeform	ergo no bitcoinatronic apps period.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	100% free app, i charge for nothing.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	same thing as with steam : i would not even accept money from them.	[22:03]
asciilifeform	aha but the first time anyone thinks of using it to move coin, it gets pulled.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	because how ?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	they're gonna what, police users ?	[22:04]
asciilifeform	as a non-player, am i mistaken that one can move btc using eulora .. ?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	but forget this nonsense, focus on the business interest.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	so : there is a thing. it doesn't go there. to their detriment. what of the monopoly ?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	or you're proposing that I need ~them~ or something ?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you can move btc using email, too. what of it ? your problem.	[22:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu, very apparently, does not need the kolhoz, no.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	but the point is important, in light of your article.	[22:05]
asciilifeform	when i wrote that piece, there was a very temporary phenomenon where the small-time independent programmer appeared to be a thing again	[22:05]
asciilifeform	like in the mid '90s 'shareware scene'	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	so s.mg is excepted because it's... big ?	[22:06]
asciilifeform	because it doesn't actually need anything from anyone.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	but this is true of all success, ever.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	ipad didn't get any fortress-whatever that's called action either.	[22:06]
asciilifeform	i wasn't speaking of success, but of a living wage in the leprosorium.	[22:06]
asciilifeform	s.mg does not live in the leprosorium.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	in fact, and i had this deeply reviewed, ipad is an approximation of "Flash games"/arcade website, which was always a bit player.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	they have like... 3 types of games, and rehashed ad nauseam.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	want me to describe ?	[22:07]
asciilifeform	today - yes. it transitioned to the spamatronic cargo cult phase	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	imo they failed unconscionably at this.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	right.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	where everything is an imitation of a cheap imitation.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	and they HAD, 5 years ago, a thing.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	had, aha.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	missed by a mile, they weren't even shooting towards it.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	today 'steam' appears to be doing the temporary 'having' of that thing	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	right.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	tomorrow it'll be another, similar.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	and i'm marginally consdiering them (iirc was in the logs), but also kind-of meh.	[22:08]
asciilifeform	it's a kolhoz	[22:08]
asciilifeform	all kolhoz follow the same dynamic, afaik.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	and the reason is, apparently, that steam doesn't have the wisdom to have expert packagers out there looking for work.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	which is what i/bezos would have done as #1 thing to do.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	it's very strange how stupid perpetuates itself in that market, in spite of better exampled extant, and well publicised.	[22:08]
asciilifeform	at any rate, i (and $maxint others) will port $whateverthefuckyouwant to, e.g., cray II. for a fee.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	it's almost like the dating market : some people are decent at picking up c hicks, and the losers watch them do it and... still suck.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i would honestly think it's a waste of your time to do this ?	[22:09]
asciilifeform	you know that's how i waste most of it, right ?	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	not that it's not open to folk wanting the work and +wot centrality, but hey.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	doing wurk to make rentz.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes, that may be, but i do not waste most of my money downshifting people. in general i waste it upshifting people.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	hence "pay for your tits" schemes etc.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	course... people are talented at resisting it, but hey :D	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	"You want a non-tyrannical Apple? Rather than striving to weaken Apple so that it can be devoured by its brawny-yet-mindless competitors, do something constructive. Experiment with GUIs which don’t trace their descent to Xerox PARC. Forever renounce the idiotic practice of copying Microsoft, that cheap imitation of a cheap imitation. If you are creative, create. Otherwise, strive to find a strong-willed Jobs fig	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	ure gifted with good taste, and become his loyal servant."	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	wow, this is 2010 too ?!	[22:15]
BingoBoingo	!s five words	[22:15]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:15]
assbot	8 results for 'five words' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=five+words	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo which one ?	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The hang with words one. Finally doing the Severance/sheriff piece	[22:17]
BingoBoingo	Cardinal Richelieu	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	ah right	[22:18]
trinque	bitcoind trashing the debug.log each time has got to go	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	word.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	poor trinque fell into a soup.	[22:20]
trinque	it's good for a guy	[22:20]
asciilifeform	trinque: there was a patch. iirc it didn't make it in for some trivial reason	[22:20]
trinque	I'll have a taste of some low-hanging fruit this weekend	[22:20]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316402 <--> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304	[22:24]
assbot	Logged on 05-11-2015 00:10:19; asciilifeform: i cannot help but be surprised when i encounter, in the old words of ben_vulpes, 'clown cars glued to a spinning ceiling'	[22:24]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nf1EmX )	[22:24]
pete_dushenski	twas ol' decimation ftr	[22:24]
asciilifeform	was, wasn't it.	[22:25]
pete_dushenski	http://www.nhregister.com/government-and-politics/20151101/cops-to-grab-unlocked-stuff-from-cars-in-east-rock-area-x2014-for-safekeeping << one for BingoBoingo	[22:30]
assbot	Cops to grab unlocked stuff from cars in East Rock area — for safekeeping ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nf1Xy0 )	[22:30]
BingoBoingo	lol sure you don't want it pete_dushenski	[22:30]
trinque	jurov: pls switch disgests on the mailing list to off for me; I cannot	[22:31]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2015#1315736 << the way to do it is gpg --homedir /tmp/dirthatyoumadefortheoccasion << got it. will work on this tonight.	[22:31]
assbot	Logged on 04-11-2015 13:43:59; mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that's not so good. <+asciilifeform> which is not a thing that you want. << Ah, ok. Thanks for looking at it. Instead of using ~/.gnupg, would it be alright to create a ~/.gpgtmp upon startup and rm ~/.gpgtmp when complete?	[22:31]
trinque	*digests	[22:31]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: you're the u.s. legal/policing expert 'round these parts :)	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Alright	[22:32]
pete_dushenski	security and finance are my qntra fortes	[22:32]
BingoBoingo	Sometimes it can help to branch out	[22:34]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Man Convicted as Serial Killer Over Circumstantial Evidence - http://qntra.net/2015/11/man-convicted-as-serial-killer-over-circumstantial-evidence/	[22:35]
jurov	trinque you should be set	[22:36]
trinque	jurov: :) ty	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	the circumserial killer.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	how come nobody says 'parallel killer'	[22:38]
pete_dushenski	not everyone's shiva	[22:40]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2015#1316544 << the back-and-forth over gpg registration would be entertaining, at least	[22:41]
assbot	Logged on 05-11-2015 01:02:00; mircea_popescu: why ?	[22:41]
BingoBoingo	how come nobody says 'parallel killer' << Like McVeigh?	[22:42]
trinque	the nazis had quite the multiprocessing going for a time	[22:42]
pete_dushenski	mao too	[22:43]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes for my curiosity, does your outfit hire ?	[22:48]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: spiffy article. but fails to mention that the writings of s. have not (afaik - has anyone tried hard?) been seen by the public; nor is it publicly known how and where usg obtained them (it is known, iirc, that they were NOT public)	[22:50]
asciilifeform	by all indications, they jailed the crippled man and ransacked his home.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	where they found some schizo notebook of his	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Aha, hinted but yes a point for the comments!	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	which we know was "of his" because washington post would never lie.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	and stitched it into something for the jury.	[22:52]
asciilifeform	aha.	[22:52]
asciilifeform	'his.'	[22:52]
asciilifeform	the whole thing smells as strongly as anyone might wish, of usg pushing the bounds of the possible.	[22:52]
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BingoBoingo	Definitely for the comments, because I was not thinking of this part	[22:53]
asciilifeform	this, in short, is why i found the case interesting to begin with...	[22:53]
asciilifeform	in ru we say the case was 'stitched together'	[22:54]
asciilifeform	or 'stitched with white thread'	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	"\|Ulanoff completely fails to examine this "oh yeah, we suck in some areas claim". Why? The guy's a "car reporter". No more, no less. If he says negative things about the companies that pay his salary, he gets fired and the publication for whom he works never gets another scoop/lead/exclusive." << BUT WHY ?	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	"because the public doesn't matter." ah, okay.	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	so then...	[22:54]
asciilifeform	(this comes from old notebooks having held together with thread, that turned dark with dirt and age. when pages were inserted or removed surreptitiously, new thread was often used to stitch the thing back)	[22:55]
asciilifeform	hence the application to spurious criminal cases.	[22:55]
asciilifeform	white thread.	[22:55]
BingoBoingo	aha	[22:55]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate' -- missing a dash	[22:56]
asciilifeform	killing -- the real estate	[22:56]
asciilifeform	--	[22:56]
BingoBoingo	"Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead killing the sheriff." better?	[22:57]
asciilifeform	still can't parse	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	"Apple's fabrication partners appear to be taking the opposite approach, which is to select parts whose tolerance errors cancel each other out." << this is wartime engineering.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	that's how the nazis were beaten.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	+-5% mechanical parts and patience.	[22:59]
asciilifeform	it is soviet sop.	[22:59]
BingoBoingo	"Of course the political assassination theory neglects motive for killing the real estate agent instead of killing the sheriff." << better?	[22:59]
asciilifeform	was ~the only~ way to get functioning circuits, for instance.	[22:59]
asciilifeform	(chix with bucketz sorting transistors)	[22:59]
asciilifeform	phun phakt, the reject parts went to... schools	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	i don't recall who had this display of "100 ohm resistors" that measured from 30 to a whopping 1.5k	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:59]
asciilifeform	which is how my brother still doesn't fully believe, in his gut heart, that physics works	[23:00]
asciilifeform	he learned on the 1.5k 100ohm resistors.	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	gutheart lol	[23:00]
asciilifeform	see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-05-2014#654839	[23:01]
assbot	Logged on 02-05-2014 02:36:33; asciilifeform: decimation: for some reason, this reminds me of a tale my consulting partner (physicist, grew up in india, 1970s) told me. students would qualify on instruments that barely worked, but belonged, to, e.g. the great Bose.	[23:01]
mod6	asciilifeform: are you impartial to /tmp instead of ~/gnupgtmp ? I just put in the changes and this is what gpg spit back at me: http://dpaste.com/23A824E.txt	[23:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GMur5G )	[23:02]
asciilifeform	mod6: home dir is prolly the correct approach	[23:03]
asciilifeform	mod6: see if perl doesn't have a built-in notion of temp dirs	[23:03]
mod6	ah, similar to your py implementation? i'll take a look.	[23:03]
asciilifeform	'v' doesn't deal in secrets, ergo the actual location is unimportant.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	and in today's milking news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/91c1efcf80578e17d367a6cfc6d97787/tumblr_miljedZhkU1rdbtrjo1_1280.jpg	[23:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GMuuhM )	[23:03]
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mod6	at first glance, looks like one needs to "use File::Tempdir", so will veer away from that.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	homedir oughta work, but the trick is that you gotta know that it's one you made, every time	[23:08]
asciilifeform	and not one that was previously lying around, that is now about to have its contents zapped	[23:08]
asciilifeform	in lisp parlance, it has to be a 'gensym'	[23:08]
asciilifeform	-- a unique thing that never was and never will be again.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	(literally)	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	q : wouldn't the right way to do this be, "gen session key" ?	[23:09]
asciilifeform	it would, if there were secretz	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	so what if they aren't ?	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	it does offer a firm guarantee that "always the one you made"	[23:10]
mod6	my thought was to create if it doesn't exist, otherwise die. and delete at the end of execution. however there is a scenario where if for instance a seal exists from a key that is not in the wot and the application exits before main returns.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	gen memory key, keep it in a file keyed thus, delete on finish.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	create in such a way that creation fails if dir existed. problem solved.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	you can still be lied to.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	sure.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	symlinks among others	[23:11]
asciilifeform	and at the end of the day, 'v' is a unix proggy and isn't even a compiled thing, and utterly depends on 1,000,001 things that no one has examined since 1991.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	true.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	just a thought.	[23:11]
mod6	i guess i could hash the epoch time and append it to the dir name, store it as a global for "session" key.	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	how's a time dependency help you ?	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	"time" is not your friend.	[23:12]
mod6	just something unique to when executed.	[23:12]
asciilifeform	this kind of thing can only be implemented as a global thing.	[23:13]
mod6	hmm.	[23:13]
mod6	i don't wanna over complicate this to begin with.	[23:13]
asciilifeform	'fortunately' it can't be done at all on unix.	[23:14]
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BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/NbOUr5U.jpg	[23:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GMvF0D )	[23:18]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[23:28]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 437.84, vol: 107876.68218332 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 425.989, vol: 58789.66874 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 434.2, vol: 283207.14469946 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 415.0, vol: 16.91547596 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 466.847448, vol: 128374.06380000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 431.0, vol: 442.62947362 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 396.64464, vol: 774.64764333 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[23:28]
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BingoBoingo	;;more	[23:39]
gribble	average: 441.223864598	[23:39]
trinque	ShrinkDebugFile() << lol, the autism in this thing	[23:45]
asciilifeform	trinque: how so ?	[23:46]
trinque	that it's a debug log and someone thought well gee if it gets too big better shrink it	[23:46]
trinque	wtf?!	[23:46]
trinque	I'm debugging! leave it!	[23:46]
asciilifeform	trinque: iirc it doesn't shrink, in the classical 0.5.3, if debug flag is on.	[23:46]
trinque	furthermore that it's even the job of the thing to clumsily rotate its own log	[23:46]
asciilifeform	trinque: would you prefer that it depend on a unix log rotator ?	[23:47]
phf	mod6: use File::Temp qw/:mktemp/; $foo = mkdtemp("/tmp/fooXXXXXXX"); print $foo." "; # => /tmp/foowq51sxd	[23:47]
asciilifeform	can't have it both ways	[23:47]
phf	i'm not sure how more easy can this be	[23:47]
mod6	i dont wanna "use" anything if it can be helped.	[23:47]
asciilifeform	^	[23:47]
trinque	asciilifeform: yes I would prefer that it only do one thing, but you are correct that it calls this only if !fDebug	[23:47]
phf	mod6: file::temp is perl stock	[23:48]
phf	mkdtemp is a canonical way of creating a temporary directory on unix, that'll also ensure a) no collisions b) proper permissions, i.e. 700	[23:48]
trinque	asciilifeform: one might rotate a production log, fine	[23:50]
trinque	the rotation was put in the debug log; that is mega-autism	[23:50]
trinque	and not even rotation, goofy head-trimming	[23:51]
asciilifeform	i must confess that i disagree. the thing runs, as it might, self-contained, to the extent practical.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	if you recall, the original wasn't even assured of running on a unix	[23:51]
asciilifeform	where a log autorotator can be had	[23:51]
trinque	if it were the ADA version or even one written with as few deps as possible, I'd grant you're right	[23:51]
trinque	this is not standalone at all	[23:52]
asciilifeform	thing was written for winblowz, in its heart, by a winblowz programmer, this is beyond dispute.	[23:52]
trinque	how does the fact that it was written for windows argue for the retardation staying	[23:54]
asciilifeform	staying ?	[23:54]
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asciilifeform	on a machine like pogo it does not make sense to produce the log at all	[23:55]
asciilifeform	in any form.	[23:56]
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asciilifeform	trinque: this is reminiscent of the thread concerining upnp.	[23:58]
asciilifeform	*concerning	[23:58]
asciilifeform	we threw it out, because it is really a harmful thing, but later ended up with an impression that it will have to be - in a separate process, yes - put back, if pogo is to be deployed to civilian households	[23:59]

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