Forum logs for 04 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	this new set of bashes are pretty cool	[00:00]
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mircea_popescu	;;marielynn	[00:00]
gribble	Error: "marielynn" is not a valid command.	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	;;seen marielynn	[00:00]
gribble	marielynn was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: Okay, I only want palatable :P	[00:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 103.64066680 BTC to 13`595 shares, 762344 satoshi per share	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	!t h cog	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00689999 / 0.00717103 / 0.00749777 (13 shares, 0.09322341 BTC), 7D: 0.00600041 / 0.00798867 / 0.01000000 (206 shares, 1.64566602 BTC), 30D: 0.00399993 / 0.01001049 / 0.03499997 (2737 shares, 27.39871525 BTC)	[00:01]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/M_McDonough/status/462686941314818048/photo/1 << canada down to 4th in natural gas exports	[00:01]
ozbot	Twitter / M_McDonough: World's Top Five Natural Gas ...	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	did that thing just dissolve ?	[00:01]
kakobrekla	prolly	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	so traded 4 to 35, settled at 7.6 ?	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	sounds about right.	[00:02]
kakobrekla	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=117	[00:02]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[00:02]
kakobrekla	what is this -2	[00:02]
kakobrekla	lots of ppl from mit here?	[00:02]
pankkake	with some goaty drama	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lol apparently.	[00:02]
fluffypony	lol	[00:02]
ryepdx	Outside of Bitfinex, is there any way to short Bitcoin in USD? I'm interested in exploring the possibility of creating a Bitcoin wallet that maintains a constant USD balance no matter what the exchange rate does.	[00:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 100 @ 0.00506315 = 0.5063 BTC [-] {11}	[00:02]
bitcoinpete	ryepdx: so just like a regular bank account then	[00:03]
kakobrekla	first dissolve the company then sell the shares!	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	right, seems like "sell bitcoins, keep dollars" would bte the way to go	[00:03]
ryepdx	Right. But without the risk of someone deciding you shouldn't have a bank account anymore.	[00:03]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=588220.msg6519510#msg6519510	[00:03]
ozbot	Should KENILWORTH be reported to Austrailian Securities Commission?	[00:03]
bitcoinpete	ryepdx: so like cash under your mattress	[00:04]
fluffypony	ryepdx: except someone is holding the USD in a bank account, right, and THEIR bank account can be closed	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	ryepdx not sure that risk can be avoided. for instance, yo ucould buy a delivered future like the x.eur	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	but it's still tied to the deliverability of the underwriter.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	in short, for as long as you wish to hold a franchise (in this case, the dollar) you're bound by the rights of the franchise owner.	[00:04]
TheNewDeal	ryepdx, not a leveraged short, but start an account on bitstamp, sell btc at a price you want to short at, set up buy orders below said sale	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal and if someone decides bitstamp should no longer have a bank account ?	[00:05]
fluffypony	^^^	[00:05]
TheNewDeal	counterparty risk...	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	i mean, his idea is sound, in theory, i can see why that is desirable	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	decouple one bitcoin benefit from the others.	[00:05]
ryepdx	Yeah. BridgeWalker got bit by that, hard. They were using Gox.	[00:05]
TheNewDeal	guy was talking about bitfinex, so ...	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	it's just that it doesn't seem structurally decouple-able.	[00:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 69 @ 0.00481682 = 0.3324 BTC [-] {4}	[00:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20163 @ 0.00097187 = 19.5958 BTC [+]	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal well i glossed over that bit of nonsense.	[00:06]
ryepdx	I realize that getting in and out with actual dollars will require centralized brokers. Gateways from and to fiat will always be vulnerable...	[00:06]
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mircea_popescu	ryepdx prolly your best bet is an otc contract with a trusted party.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust ryepdx	[00:07]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ryepdx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ryepdx \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ryepdx \| Rated since: Tue May 24 01:12:57 2011	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	which is something you don't have access to yet.	[00:07]
ryepdx	;;eauth	[00:07]
gribble	(eauth ) -- Initiate authentication for user . You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[00:07]
fluffypony	needs moar ratings	[00:07]
ryepdx	;;eauth rye	[00:07]
gribble	Request successful for user rye, hostmask ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/680F5108B06DBB77	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0321019 = 0.1605 BTC [+]	[00:08]
moiety	kakobrekla: i made it 0. im not having a neg bash addition!	[00:08]
kakobrekla	moiety :D	[00:08]
ryepdx	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:736a4f34eb8a3a3b9e41887e3b563bdca818765969c8700121e399da	[00:08]
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fluffypony	;;rated moiety	[00:08]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust rye	[00:08]
fluffypony	oh noez	[00:08]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask ryepdx!~ryan@c-76-115-78-13.hsd1.or.comcast.net. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user rye: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=rye \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rye \| Rated since: Thu May 1 15:06:26 2014	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	ryepdx i guess make a deal with benkay ?	[00:09]
fluffypony	;;rate moiety 1 the Cat Lady of Bitcoin Assets	[00:09]
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moiety	o/ lol	[00:09]
moiety	cat lady. nice	[00:09]
fluffypony	s'true	[00:09]
fluffypony	if I say "manul lady" nobody will know what that iw	[00:10]
fluffypony	*is	[00:10]
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TheNewDeal	hahaha	[00:10]
benkay	!up Micon	[00:10]
moiety	;; rate fluffypony 1 Creator of epic manul art	[00:10]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony or think it has to do with masturbation	[00:10]
benkay	!up Micon_	[00:10]
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Micon	Micon_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[00:10]
Micon_	hi	[00:10]
moiety	meh i use manuls everywhere	[00:10]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: exactly	[00:10]
TheNewDeal	you could put a sweet manul link in the rating	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	Micon_ hey. so the deal is this : bitbet offers an open affiliate deal, where anyone sending traffic gets 100% the house rake	[00:10]
Micon	Micon_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[00:10]
moiety	wait.. mircea_popescu i have my location on tweeter as "looking for manuls" :/ eep	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	Micon_ the payments for april were 0.09 BTC. this is fucking ridiculous. now, what can you do for me ?	[00:11]
Micon_	?	[00:11]
Micon_	I suppose I could wish you the best of luck :)	[00:11]
Micon_	and suggest an a-ads.com run	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	how about manage a horde of affs ?	[00:11]
ryepdx	mircea_popescu: Okay, thanks. Was kinda hoping someone had already set up a security of some kind, but I guess I'm treading new-ish ground.	[00:11]
Micon_	if I didn't have my own horde to manage for SwC I'd seriously consider your offer	[00:12]
fluffypony	ryepdx: build it and they will come? :-P	[00:12]
TheNewDeal	how does this house deal work - how can you make sure that someone isn't just giving the rake to themself?	[00:12]
Micon	Micon_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[00:12]
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mircea_popescu	Micon_ hm. okay.	[00:12]
ryepdx	mirceau_popescu: Affs == affiliates?	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[00:13]
Micon_	I do thank you for making bitbet to help kill betsofbit.coscam	[00:13]
TheNewDeal	I guess I could read tfm	[00:13]
Micon	Micon_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[00:13]
Micon	Micon_ midnightmagic MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio	[00:13]
Micon_	good riddance, coinjedi	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	Micon_ also, re the wot thing : there isn't really a top. http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ << that's the long story.	[00:13]
ryepdx	Was thinking that. Was also hoping I wouldn't have to manage a bunch of affiliates myself.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal like normal in aff systems lol	[00:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03399412 = 0.17 BTC [+]	[00:14]
Micon_	mircea_popescu - I am interested in how to define trust for us early btc barons and accept other friendlies as time goes	[00:14]
Micon_	I know many legitimate humans want to connect and make btc businesses	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	i just had lunch with a couple.	[00:15]
Micon_	there are so many segments to fill now and many more segments that haven't been created yet	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	right.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	well, this chan is your friend then.	[00:15]
Micon_	a place like this is needed badly at this stage	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	get in the wot so you can self-voice yourself for the future	[00:15]
Micon_	ah yes, instructions on that?	[00:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03399291 = 0.102 BTC [-]	[00:16]
TheNewDeal	can i ref myself?	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	Micon_ http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication	[00:16]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Anyone can make referral links, they look like http://bitbet.us/bet/801/american-league-team-will-win-the-mlb-world/?ref=16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok	[00:17]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Just sub in an address of yours	[00:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00096939 = 15.0255 BTC [-]	[00:18]
TheNewDeal	but my question is, what happens if I create a ref link, then I myself send bets through the link	[00:19]
fluffypony	then you'll get the credit	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal you ever been an affiliate before ?	[00:20]
TheNewDeal	nope	[00:20]
fluffypony	TheNewDeal: there are lots of ways of gaming an affiliate system, and even more ways of being caught	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	pretty much.	[00:20]
fluffypony	anyone who's seriously played with affiliate systems has tried cookie stuffing Amazon and had their account frozen	[00:21]
pankkake	I did it by mistake the first times I used bitbet	[00:21]
moiety	do we have a first steps in assets guide? this would be good for ze wiki	[00:21]
pankkake	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation perhaps	[00:21]
fluffypony	moiety: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide	[00:21]
ozbot	wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	moiety you can cobble it together, out of nano's gribble intro linked above and the general assbot stuff.	[00:22]
pankkake	https://blockchain.info/address/1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK my tries of spamming for bitbet, 0.04 total. not as bad as I remember	[00:22]
ozbot	Bitcoin Address 1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK	[00:22]
moiety	aye be nice to collate it all together and hand a hand holding step by step	[00:22]
moiety	and have a *	[00:22]
fluffypony	moiety: just don't tell kakobrekla about it, he hates hand holding	[00:23]
fluffypony	:-P	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/white-house-legal-immunity-telecoms-firms-bill?CMP=twt_fd	[00:24]
ozbot	White House seeks legal immunity for firms that hand over customer data \| World news \| theguardian.	[00:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00674 = 0.1483 BTC [+] {2}	[00:27]
fluffypony	A Mormon guy goes into a hotel and checks in, he says "I hope the porn in my room is disabled". The guy behind the desk replies "no it's just regular porn you sick fuck".	[00:27]
moiety	fluffypony: not entirely hand holding just a 'dont ask why if you cant be arsed to read the collated info and steps or manuls shall be set upon you' thingy	[00:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.076 = 0.836 BTC [+]	[00:28]
fluffypony	moiety: I'm all for it, was just teasing kakobrekla	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if mormon porn includes the special underwear.	[00:29]
moiety	special underwear?!	[00:29]
moiety	queefwear?	[00:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07697711 = 0.5388 BTC [+] {3}	[00:29]
TheNewDeal	flullypony I like that one	[00:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07698997 = 0.7699 BTC [+] {3}	[00:30]
moiety	i had a large bot guide typed out and my laptop died	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	moiety yes, mormons use special blessed underwear. also, this is why you save periodically.	[00:31]
TheNewDeal	who is the Milk character that's referenced at the bottom of the bitbet faq?	[00:31]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves im not sure i get what you're asking there. /// I'll break it down into bits	[00:31]
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moiety	i know D; i havent lost anything in ages. this will be the reminder for the next few years XD	[00:32]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: be sure to use the new symbol	[00:32]
ThickAsThieves	1. You want to have an open market for artwork be an integral part of Eulora	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal old story.	[00:32]
ThickAsThieves	I assume this consists of incentivizing designers to make skins and such	[00:32]
fluffypony	oh you mean actual bits, not Bitpay bits	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves not exactly, no.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	i want to have a services market, as integral part of bitcoin.	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	i'm a lil lost	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	you mean the freelancer.com thing?	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	that, except not a piece of shit.	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	ahhhh that clears much up,	[00:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 56 @ 0.00472641 = 0.2647 BTC [-] {4}	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	see i was always picturing you'd have some sort of eulora-specific market	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	as part of the game	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	like how Dota 2 does it	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	to make "hats"	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	or other armor skins	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	something integrated yet separate from the game	[00:35]
ThickAsThieves	but not totally encompassing like a freelance.com	[00:35]
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ThickAsThieves	(something worth considering either way, Dota 2 is fucking raking it in)	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	yes, but that is not a choice on dota's part, but a forced mistake.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	nothing forces my hand there/	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	choice and forced mistake are different how exactly?	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	dota didn't make the choice tonot make a freelance.com killer.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	they never had that option.	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	while i dont disagree	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	like, poor indian woman marries some poor indian schmuck rather than me.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	well... forced mistake on her part.	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	i do question whether or not dota's approach is better	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	for the sake of the game itself	[00:37]
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ThickAsThieves	it will be rather difficult to develop a thriving eulora skin market in bitlancer.io	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	compared to having one hosted in the game	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	eulora does not include a web browser, nor will it.	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	nor does dota	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	most games cheat and include shit via in-game browsers	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	(though Steam does)	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	usure ?	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	part of the marker is extra-dota	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	part is intra	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	market*	[00:39]
ThickAsThieves	they each have gateways to the other though	[00:40]
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BingoBoingo	The in game browser is one of the worst things about Eve	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	doesn't this design start to sound to you like that famous turtle ?	[00:40]
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ThickAsThieves	yes and no, i think there are marketing considerations	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	http://liberationbc.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/turtle-caught-in-plastic-ring.jpg	[00:40]
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ThickAsThieves	i'm sure i can totally articulate why i think dota's approach has advantages, but i'll try	[00:41]
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ThickAsThieves	branding/community - Having it intregrated allows focus on the game, removes distractions, and creates a sense of worth, even for "worthless" skins	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	moving it to a bitlance.io would throw it into the wild	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	it would compete more directly with other work	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	and thin out the focus and perceived value of the brand	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	competition is bad ?	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	not in a general sense, no	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	but in the end Eulora is it's own player, competing	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not saying to pretend competition doesnt exist	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	how does that work ?	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	i'm saying that dominating customer attention gains benefit	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	people like the option of options, to feel they have choice, but in a marketing sense, they dont functionally like it too much choice	[00:45]
ThickAsThieves	this crosses over to your designers too	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	yes. but strategically, do i want to encourage a few good people to make a few good skins as you call them	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	or each idiot to make a ms paint drawing ?	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	no no	[00:46]
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ThickAsThieves	you want the players to be enthusiasts of the designers and designs	[00:46]
KLYE	I was summoned here by an email. How goes all?	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	and you wantthe designers to know they have a dedicated thriving community to consume them	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	KLYE what's this strip cam biz ?	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves true.	[00:47]
KLYE	It's my initial seeding of what eventually will be the new standard for live adult entertainment	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	but i don't believe the best way to achieve that is through half-assing the marketplace design.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	KLYE do explain.	[00:48]
ThickAsThieves	while Dota is in no way a perfect bitlancer, it is also debatable to call it half-assed tfor the purposes it was designed	[00:48]
KLYE	Well MP. Right now I am collecting initial investment capital to acquire my Studio proper equipment and space to essentially prove that my business plan is profitable and viable	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yes, true, for the purposes and in the constraints they had they did great. i still think it a forced mistake.	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	(i could easily mark improvements for dota's market as applied though)	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	nothing bad about it, these happen. that's why "forced"	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	KLYE who's going to camwhoire for you ?	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	so this goes back to my questions, as my goal wasnt to compare market approaches anyway	[00:50]
KLYE	I have a local harem here. And I am constantly recruiting both locally and abroad.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	you don't say.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	have this local harem strip and hold a sign saying "hello mp!".	[00:51]
fluffypony	that's a good starting point	[00:51]
KLYE	As it sits at this current moment I am looking into exactly what Cameras I'd like to invest in.. I need PTZ technology built in. But I also don't want to invest in cheap hardware and have it break quickly	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	now i should rephrase to, will there be an inital set pf graphics the game is launched with, with a style guide - separately from any continuously solicited graphics -- or is my vision of "coninuously created graphics" off the mark, where theyll be not even a shade of the dota community approach	[00:51]
KLYE	Hahaha. That can be arranged MP.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	go for it.	[00:52]
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fluffypony	plus it'll be fun, I'm tired of .bait	[00:52]
BingoBoingo	.bait	[00:52]
ozbot	http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5lzsqtYG31qzpi5po1_1280.jpg	[00:52]
KLYE	My one is away at school at the moment. Another is enroute from BC.. I have a small handful of girls that would enjoy this though. Once I explain to them who you are I imagine they would without question.	[00:53]
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mircea_popescu	KLYE well so you have a few hours, set something up.	[00:54]
KLYE	Do you mind if I quickly go check my threads and email? I slept a little longer than I wanted to this morning and need to catch up with a few investors I imagine.	[00:54]
ThickAsThieves	hello hanbot	[00:54]
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KLYE	Hahaha, The thing about whores MP is they are not easily summon-able. Hard to get them over (let alone all of them in one room) and an absolute bastard to get them to leave once they are here.. :P	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the current thinking is that if by style guide you mean, that the same hand visibly had designed everything, that that's a luxury we don't want to afford	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	much like kyle's camho biz does not need super cameras as much as it needs super eager sluts.	[00:56]
KLYE	That, And it is a terrible conflict of interest for all of my consorts to know about eachother. I am honest with them I am not monogamous.. But I haven't tested putting them in close proximity to one another.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	KLYE the difference between a harem and anything else is that the harem does things on the spot.	[00:57]
KLYE	My harem is not live in though.. Not yet.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	gotta be very careful not to use words you can't back, in this rap biz :p	[00:57]
fluffypony	hanbot: good evenings	[00:57]
KLYE	Hahah, Explain MP.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves there's a lot to discuss on this point, but i think style may emerge.	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves the current thinking is that if by style guide you mean, that the same hand visibly had designed everything, that that's a luxury we don't want to afford /// not exactly, a style guide is more like a branding guidelines document, it defines the overall style of the game, creating boundaries for artists	[00:58]
ThickAsThieves	for example,	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	KLYE not really much to explain. if i ask you and you say you got a harem o' girls, you gotta have them then.	[00:58]
ThickAsThieves	WoW's style guide might say "please try to use blocky, child-friendly shapes"	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	at that level the answer is yes.	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	where Rift's might say "designs should not resemble WoW and be more photo=realistic"	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	"please make everything look like heroes series, mp loved those	[00:59]
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ThickAsThieves	hehe	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	it just makes sure all the furniture looks good in the room	[00:59]
KLYE	I certainly hope you aren't discrediting me for not being able snap my fingers and have the whores over now. These women like booze and parties. As it sits I have neither, nor is it that time of day yet. And as explained before I am hesitant to get them all together. They may be whores.. But last thing I need is them all pissed off at me for putting them in the same room as one another.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	KLYE not yet.	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	but eventually you gotta follow through, it's what business is built on.	[01:00]
ThickAsThieves	a style guide might also get technical to help 3d artists know the boundaries and specs of each hero race	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves there's only one race.	[01:01]
ThickAsThieves	interesting	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves however, to round that point : no modern game can feasibly made by exactly 1 person. practical games are made by teams, and a lot of content is needed. as the game goes through its cycle, the teams change anyway.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	so very much coherence of style is a bridge too far in all cases anyway.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	this from a very demanding and in depth art perspective.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	KLYE anyway, they don't have to be in the same room specifically, if you don't intend them to do group work.	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	there are ways to mitigate this to almost seamless effect	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	dota 2 most certainly maintains a style	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	despite dozens of outside contributors	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	just need good art directors and PMs	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	but to some degree... style may also be an emergent property of groups	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	perhaps something yo udon't want to fuck with	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	styke may evolve	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	so it's a complicated thing.	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	and should be allowed to	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	if not constrained	[01:03]
KLYE	Alright MP. I will see what I can do. It seems that the FUDsters have started attacking my thread. I will see if I can summon some girls over for your photo shoot. In the mean time I must go troll hunting.	[01:03]
KLYE	I appreciate the summon.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	KLYE dun worry about them lol	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	their effect is usually +ev.	[01:04]
ThickAsThieves	this topic (and more i wish to bring up) is very interesting to me, so I apologize if it's boggong the channel	[01:04]
ThickAsThieves	bogging*	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	eh fuck the log readers, what do we care.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	:D	[01:04]
ThickAsThieves	do you intend to have "hats" for sale?	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	and thus a more segmented relationship with designers as businesses	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	the whole thing.	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	well that got me thinking,	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	crossover is where it's at.	[01:06]
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ThickAsThieves	so u can customize my hero, why not town music, HUD, mayve even environments	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is a fucking game currency trying to spill over into irl.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	why stop there.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i don't see why niot. the client is open source anyway.	[01:06]
fluffypony	KLYE: meh, ignore the trolls. WRT "FastLoans4You" I think you need to make it clear that you haven't claimed to meet regulatory compliance with Canadian law.	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: FastLoans for you registered yesterday.	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	if client is open source, then i could just hack in my own HUDs and music? or is it to be compiled in such a way to make that impractical for most?	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i imagine you should be able to. it may be complicated but i don't think so. it's defionitely not deliberately obfuscated.	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	hrm	[01:08]
ThickAsThieves	this is not a problem you think?	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	prolly someone will figure it out first, then write a guide,	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	like anything else foss.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	why would it be a problem ?	[01:08]
ThickAsThieves	well you lose all walls for your garden and throw it into the middle of the highway	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	i don't believe in forcing people.	[01:08]
ThickAsThieves	a concept i generally agree with as well	[01:09]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: sure, so I think him putting a picture up of KLYE and bringing up the homeless/begging thing is ridiculous, but I think it's worth his while speaking to the regulatory issue raised - you're either claiming compliance or you're outrightly stating defiance	[01:09]
ThickAsThieves	however, this is a business, so i'm trying to sort it out	[01:09]
fluffypony	either is acceptable	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony you gotta comply with some regulations to camwhore now !?	[01:09]
ThickAsThieves	your market woudl have competition with outside markets	[01:09]
ThickAsThieves	thereby removing stability	[01:09]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: the regulations were wrt the IPO	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	a	[01:10]
fluffypony	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587618.msg6519384#msg6519384	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	the whole dedicated community of players to consume designs thing	[01:10]
ozbot	Klyemax Studios IPO (revised)	[01:10]
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mircea_popescu	it's bitcoin, there's no regulation.	[01:10]
fluffypony	what's really funny is in South Africa we also have to have a prospectus if we want to make shares publicly available	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you lost me.	[01:10]
fluffypony	but there's no requirement to register it	[01:10]
fluffypony	we just have to make the prospectus available	[01:10]
fluffypony	which is a lol	[01:10]
BingoBoingo	I'm wondering who FastLoans4you is an alt of.	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	well i can make TATlora.io and get my own designers and pay them a better cut than you	[01:11]
Duffer1	BB reads a lot like minerpart	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah, sure.	[01:11]
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fluffypony	Duffer1: BB?	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	so while this may be good as an excercise in competition,	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	it's possibly bad in that this is a situation you could control if you chose to	[01:12]
Duffer1	fluffypony bingoboingo	[01:12]
fluffypony	oh lol	[01:12]
Duffer1	:P	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	thereby making your own company dominant	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves this sort of control is illusory.	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	and mor eprofitable	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	dota 2 has it	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	so it thinks	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	there's no mentionable outside market	[01:13]
fluffypony	I don't think BingoBoingo is minerpart, BingoBoingo is too rational	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	for dota skins	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	yet.	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	some hacks try, but mostly fall flat	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	if not entirely	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	there won't be a market for dota, eventually.	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	there wont be a market for eulora eventually	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	now that i doubt.	[01:13]
Duffer1	fluffypony i agree, i used "BB" instead of bingoboingo to respond to him, i should have said: Bingoboingo, i believe Loans is Minerpart	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	a transcendant game is not something i have much confidence in	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	see, the less control a thing attempts to project, the more difficult to kill it gets.	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	people have tastes abnd like to migrate around	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[01:14]
fluffypony	oh Duffer1, makes more sense	[01:14]
Duffer1	:)	[01:14]
fluffypony	that's entirely possible	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	i mean what, we have WoW and Final Fantasy, maybe GTA, as long term successes	[01:15]
ThickAsThieves	all totally closed	[01:15]
ThickAsThieves	and all dying but GTA	[01:15]
ThickAsThieves	though i suspect this last one was the peak	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to come back to some track. i don't believe in forcing people to pay, my idea of peddling games is not modeled on peddling heroin.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	the blizzard bleed the suckers model is meh.	[01:16]
ThickAsThieves	sure	[01:16]
ThickAsThieves	but what is it then	[01:16]
ThickAsThieves	entertainment, no?	[01:17]
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BingoBoingo	!up KLYE	[01:17]
assbot	Insufficient rights, BingoBoingo, !up yourself on PM first.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[01:17]
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BingoBoingo	!up KLYE	[01:17]
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KLYE	Did my last message go through	[01:18]
ThickAsThieves	entertainment is still a consumable of sorts isnt it?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	KLYE: No idea, what was it?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	anyway, my entire point is that your "well you could squeeze the balls harder, get more $$$" is not actyually a valid argument.	[01:18]
ThickAsThieves	but that wasntg my point	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	so thgen we';re talking at cross purpoise.	[01:19]
KLYE	BTC isn't considered currency in Canada as far as I know, It's considered a grey area. And until phase two when the Klyemax IPO hits an exchange I do not think we have to worry about the MSC.	[01:19]
ThickAsThieves	my point was the balls are gonna get pumped	[01:19]
ThickAsThieves	and that you have control over how much profit you share	[01:19]
KLYE	And by that time we will have proven the studio profitable and have solid revenue streams.	[01:19]
ThickAsThieves	to some degree at least	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	that control is illusory.	[01:19]
cazalla	KLYE: mfc fo' life	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	well i would love to be wrong	[01:20]
KLYE	MFC is going to be obsolete once klyemax launches	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	it's entirely possible your model works fine, despite no other game adopting it	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	or succeeding at doing so	[01:20]
ThickAsThieves	that i know of at least	[01:20]
KLYE	I'll piggyback on them until my serverside and web clients are done.. After that the plan is to smash them. :D	[01:21]
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fluffypony	KLYE: I'm South African, so I can't comment on Canadian regulation, but I think it's important to make those points clear in your reply to FastLoans4You	[01:22]
fluffypony	because pretend-compliance didn't stop anyone from losing money to Neo&Scamee	[01:22]
ThickAsThieves	are there any open-sourced games with profitable thriving economies?	[01:23]
BingoBoingo	Bitcoin?	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves not afaik	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	open source can't traditionalyl afford to pay financier fat cats to look at the stuff	[01:23]
BingoBoingo	Bitcoin is totally open source and a game.	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	indeed, but doesn the chicken come before the egg in that regard?	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	as in, they dont get financed because they dont make money	[01:25]
pankkake	unless anyone can run its own server/world, the game isn't really open source	[01:25]
pankkake	google isn't open source because chrome is	[01:25]
cazalla	KLYE: if i wanted to get into porn, i'd skip cams and produce content along the lines of insex, clearly a demand but payment processor issues fucked it, no issues there with bitcoin	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	pankkake omg you put the k in otaku	[01:25]
ThickAsThieves	last i checked, you can host WoW servers	[01:25]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I guess PlaneShift is about the biggest	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	cazalla but let the guy run his onw thing lol	[01:25]
pankkake	why?	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	pankkake wtf everyone run his own universe, 4ever alone	[01:26]
KLYE	Go for making just straight up videos?	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well yeah but i think he meant besides that	[01:26]
pankkake	I mean run a competing universe, the point wasn't being alone	[01:26]
BingoBoingo	Ah, I see.	[01:26]
ThickAsThieves	some indie WoW servers did pretty well	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	pankkake but if everyone does then... everyone has to be alone neh	[01:26]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: http://sourceforge.net/projects/planeshift/	[01:27]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: You mean like what altcoins are. People dicking around on their own chains?	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	i thot he hated altcoins	[01:27]
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ThickAsThieves	but ultimately people want the real deal	[01:27]
pankkake	bitcoin great because it is altcoinable	[01:27]
pankkake	+is	[01:27]
ThickAsThieves	as ironic as it sounds	[01:27]
pankkake	but it doesn't mean you have to altcoin it	[01:27]
cazalla	KLYE: watch a documentary named "Graphic Sexual Horror", it might give you some ideas	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so you hate altcoins or just the altcoin makers ?	[01:27]
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pankkake	same reason you don't run your own linux distribution. you could… but WHY	[01:28]
KLYE	Thank you for the advice Cazalla. :D	[01:28]
fluffypony	pankkake: because Fluffynix is a big deal, just like FluffyCoin is	[01:28]
fluffypony	:--P	[01:28]
ThickAsThieves	do people play Planeshift tho? more importantly who makes money around it?	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	nobody.	[01:29]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: look, it's been around for 12 years, so part of the PS community is historical	[01:29]
fluffypony	but yeah, they have a strong followin	[01:29]
fluffypony	*following	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	i dun think it was ever more than a few dozen people on	[01:29]
pankkake	more to the point, the selling point of an online game is usually world access, not binary client access	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	pankkake blizzard notably tried to do both	[01:30]
pankkake	yeah, that made me lol. I always thought the game was free, and you had to subscribe	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	worked ok ion the late 90s early 00s	[01:30]
ThickAsThieves	when it comes to multiplayer, i find access to people to play with being very high on my list	[01:30]
ThickAsThieves	i can get interested independently	[01:31]
ThickAsThieves	but i'll only stay of there's a context of humans to share the experience	[01:31]
ThickAsThieves	if*	[01:31]
ThickAsThieves	if i hadnt made any dota friends, i'd have quit long ago	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	mmorpgs, ultimate pimpin'.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	come let me sell you your wife's time.	[01:31]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[01:32]
ThickAsThieves	i play after she's asleep mostly	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	you'll be happy if i sell her to a dozen other dudes, too,	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	because thus you can raid	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/uYWFh6l.jpg	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/jgqxkW8.jpg << why is that guy shown twice, once dressed in wallpaper ?	[01:36]
ThickAsThieves	hitler	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	cgcardona: no more monopoly money?! << it changes each quarter	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	except in april i forgot, so did it nao	[01:38]
cgcardona	i see	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	and the guy who did the drawing... one second	[01:39]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: you will be the first to try these cookies. r&d is refining the recipe	[01:39]
thestringpuller	i assume yoy have high standards for cookies	[01:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2010/iepurasule-ai-basca/	[01:41]
ozbot	Iepurasule, ai basca ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	guy's site is linked in there. marius lupu.	[01:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0322999 = 0.323 BTC [+]	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller sure. cookies!	[01:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03399113 = 0.3399 BTC [+]	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete: "The end result is the first of its kind: << these fucktards. they really imagine that if you put a "delicious" label on canned shit it'll be a delicious can of shit.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	wait, someone's name is Roya Mahboob ?	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	this is almost better than mr beaglehole.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla should totally marry roya mahboob	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	he could me matic mahboob	[01:47]
kakobrekla	and have a son madick	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	!b 5	[01:47]
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mircea_popescu	ERROAR!	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	the horroar	[01:48]
kakobrekla	meh dpaste..	[01:48]
kakobrekla	the quote still made it to the queue	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete: this week's couple has saved $2.7M and the post decided that this was only 2/5 stars of readiness << this is fucking nonsense, srsly.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	if almost 3 mil isn't enough...	[01:49]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony " The problem is that the cost of transacting makes it impossible for people outside of that country to get involved." << that's in no way the poroblem. i wouldn't micrlodend in fucklandia under any circumstances.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	the reason the microlending works, in shitholecreek, detroit or bungagunga, kneya is that the lender also holds political power	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	and you can't stiff him.	[01:52]
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mircea_popescu	benkay: just because someone's doing it doesn't mean to not do it. <<< it does. except it has to be someone, and it that case it wasn't someone, just no-one.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: kakobrekla: so they're going to lend legitimacy to all the scammy DACs << they have to be hurt to learn. not in any sense new.	[01:59]
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benkay	mircea_popescu: i tend to assume that anyone who's not killing their niche is leaving market share on the floor. perhaps an unseasoned approach.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	what i meant was, someone doing it would be a reason not to do it. the problem there is that nobody is doing it	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	or w/e, they doing it are not somebody.	[02:01]
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benkay	or there's another thing to be done.	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	that too	[02:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 363 @ 0.00197598 = 0.7173 BTC [-] {9}	[02:07]
benkay	;;later tell jurov is the pythonic approach to debugging twisted apps seriously to just log everything that happens and tail that during development?	[02:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/ how can this be so heavy on yes ?	[02:10]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	.d	[02:10]
ozbot	8.001 billion \| Next Diff in 1395 blocks \| Estimated Change: 7.4652% in 8d 22h 49m 35s	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	that's maybe 5 periods.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	12% each time.	[02:11]
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kakobrekla	kanzure Keefe Ken` kermit khersonus kill-9all KLYE knotwork_ KRS1 Kushed	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	!up KLYE	[02:14]
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KLYE	Thanks for voice MP	[02:14]
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KLYE	I've been asked to join some people at a wedding social. So I think I might take the night off and go and do that.. Might get lucky and find some nice potential talent.	[02:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 214 @ 0.00453981 = 0.9715 BTC [+] {3}	[02:16]
KLYE	I sent out some text MP for the picture you requested. And got blown off by most of the talent as they are busy getting drunk or banged by someone it seems. One wanted to come over but that is hardly what you asked. :/	[02:17]
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KLYE	I have dug up some screenies that one of our viewers managed to snap from the first show. This talent is away at field school for the next week or so and isn't one of the prettiest by any means.. great tits and ass on her though. http://imgur.com/a/SVIg8	[02:18]
KLYE	NSFQW	[02:18]
KLYE	NSFW*	[02:18]
BingoBoingo	Damn, I though you really wanted to tell us Not Safe Fucking Quit Work	[02:21]
KLYE	LOL	[02:23]
KLYE	Well, twas bare back	[02:23]
KLYE	Sadly she wouldn't let me sodomize her on cam.. Even whores have morals I've learned	[02:23]
BingoBoingo	There's probably Trilema articles to help with that.	[02:27]
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Naphex	mircea_popescu:i want to have a services market, as integral part of bitcoin. <<< one would be very nice	[02:39]
Naphex	to do it in mp's style i'd have gpg contracts, and wot-like rating	[02:39]
Naphex	escrow and some sort of mediation / dispute resolution	[02:41]
Naphex	then you can host whatever services	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[02:41]
Naphex	better rating to rapidly asses performance	[02:41]
Naphex	but for example, for software development	[02:43]
Naphex	would users bid on projects to win them, or project lists?	[02:43]
Naphex	or just any way for users to aggree on contracts w/ dispute reso after	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	well that's where it gets complicated.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	prolly the best way to work it is to have buyers specify contracts and providers accept them	[02:50]
Naphex	well you could do some hippy stuff, and stack it in a form of relationship.	[02:51]
BingoBoingo	!up KLYE	[02:52]
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Naphex	where a buyer specifies specs, providers can start a relation and do proposal and try too reach agreement	[02:52]
KLYE	Thanks BB	[02:52]
Naphex	then they can draw up a contract, or use simple preset drafts	[02:52]
KLYE	Anyone know of a place online that does nice business cards for BTC?	[02:53]
KLYE	I think it would be in the ventures best interest to have some made up to be given to potential clients instead of me giving out my personal cell number.	[02:53]
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mircea_popescu	Naphex yea.	[02:57]
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BingoBoingo	KLYE: Maybe talk to nubbins'	[03:02]
KLYE	Thanks BB.	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	KLYE: Given your industry I'm not sure how to take you abreviating my name that way...	[03:07]
KLYE	hahaah. Purely sexual of course.	[03:08]
KLYE	;)	[03:08]
KLYE	Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection	[03:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3919 @ 0.00096577 = 3.7849 BTC [-] {2}	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	that's ok, i got plenty of those.	[03:12]
Naphex	Q:	[03:16]
Naphex	can't he just pay cam girls	[03:17]
Naphex	to have I love MP:)	[03:17]
Naphex	and show that?:p	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	obv.	[03:18]
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Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqlvk51uS1M#t=14146	[03:34]
ozbot	MIT Bitcoin Expo 2014 - YouTube	[03:34]
benkay	;;later tell princessnell stop making sense	[03:35]
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kakobrekla	!jd mpif	[04:33]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.83390546 BTC; -0.04004434 BTC (-0.0244%) since last check 11h 35m 15s ago.	[04:33]
kakobrekla	this thing is more volatile than i though	[04:33]
kakobrekla	t	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	it is pretty volatile yea	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	tbh if it manages to make a couple of percents in a month i'll be happy.	[04:34]
kakobrekla	to cover for panacea losses yea	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	ima stab you in the tit.	[04:38]
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kakobrekla	its not like they are made of soap	[04:43]
kakobrekla	right?	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	http://www.rstreet.org/2014/05/01/r-street-looking-for-a-director-of-its-governance-project/	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	if anyone's bored.	[04:45]
kakobrekla	https://threatpost.com/researchers-say-accelerometers-are-perfect-for-pervasive-tracking/105886	[04:57]
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mircea_popescu	yeah but i mean... you have to accelerate the things	[05:07]
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mircea_popescu	i guess it probably works just by moving around	[05:08]
hanbot	:*	[05:12]
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asciilifeform	re: solid state gyro fingerprinting - betcha this also works with satanic rngs.	[05:16]
asciilifeform	find characteristic biases	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	maybe so	[05:19]
asciilifeform	kgb typewriter fingerprints, the famous yellow dots in colour laser printer, this crap - 'history does not repeat, but it rhymes.'	[05:21]
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benkay	;;seen jurov	[05:32]
gribble	jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: [13:57] jurov on it << dun see it	[05:32]
asciilifeform	there was a paper ages ago, on device fingerprinting through acoustic artifacts (buzz speaker, see what microphone picks up)	[05:32]
asciilifeform	anyone who gives a damn can dig it up.	[05:32]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[10:36]
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mircea_popescu	!up arsenische	[10:40]
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mircea_popescu	hey there.	[10:40]
arsenische	mircea_popescu: hi	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	so i see you've dropped that notion that advertisers should follow the publishers and evaluate them one by one	[10:42]
mircea_popescu	which is a move towards sanity.	[10:42]
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arsenische	yes, there should be some other way to do it	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	ok. what are your plans with the thing currently ?	[10:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18021 @ 0.00083899 = 15.1194 BTC [-] {2}	[10:49]
arsenische	there is much work to be done. we need to find a solution for better ad unit classification and evaluation. improve accounting and statistics for advertisers.	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	currently, what's your revenue model ? you charge advertisers a % ? how much ?	[10:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00083874 = 6.8777 BTC [-] {2}	[10:53]
fluffypony	won't that lead to an environment where advertisers cherry-pick only the especially large publishers and ignore all the little ones?	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	no, because advertisers can't possibly be arsed to do that.	[10:54]
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fluffypony	well that's the other thing	[10:54]
fluffypony	were I an advertiser I'd maybe do that the first time round	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	that's the main thing :p	[10:55]
fluffypony	then be too lazy afterwards	[10:55]
fluffypony	unless you made it REALLY easy with categories	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	arsenische ?	[10:55]
fluffypony	lol	[10:56]
punkman	you want to make money rapping, better not talk like a fag: http://rappers.mdaniels.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/	[10:56]
arsenische	sorry, I have poor connection	[10:56]
fluffypony	Wu-Tang up front? nice	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	punkman is there such a thing as fagrap ? i mean there's everything else, some chick introduced me to her christian rap brother.	[10:56]
arsenische	Twenty percent of all monies paid by advertisers will be considered AnonymousAds fees.	[10:56]
mircea_popescu	arsenische okay, i have a proposition for you. it goes like this :	[10:57]
arsenische	(that was a quote from https://a-ads.com/terms_of_service)	[10:57]
mircea_popescu	1. you get in the wot, we go partners in yoru anon ads service, work it pretty much on the bitbet model. it can be listed on mpex.	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	2. we kick out all the current publishers. we require all publishers to come here and have their platform approved to be added to a-a.	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	we'll be insanely picky, in that, only actual blogs carrying actual interesting material written by interestin people will be accepted. jurov's thing may not make the cut even.	[10:59]
punkman	mircea_popescu: there is indeed fagrap, for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soce,_the_elemental_wizard	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	punkman nuts.	[11:01]
arsenische	mircea_popescu: sorry, what is bitbet model?	[11:03]
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mircea_popescu	arsenische kakobrekla did the coding and maintains the codebase, he gets a signed list of bitcoin addresses to use whenever needed. i keep the books, and generally handle the business side for it.	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET << that is the contract, if you've never read it	[11:05]
ozbot	S.BBET last 37@0.00054000	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	!jd mpif	[11:05]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.82465569 BTC; -0.00924977 BTC (-0.0056%) since last check 6h 32m 21s ago.	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bmwy5O7CYAA94Si.jpg lol	[11:07]
punkman	hah	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmvmpI5IIAEq6LO.jpg:large how hot is this chick, esteemed chan ? on a 1 to 10 scale. ty.	[11:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00717322 = 0.2152 BTC [-] {2}	[11:08]
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mircea_popescu	!up arsenische	[11:10]
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punkman	hmm 8 or 9, let's say 8.5	[11:10]
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fluffypony	7 tops	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	if i get 5 votes ima share my own.	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	!up JoshG	[11:12]
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mircea_popescu	JoshG you there ?	[11:12]
JoshG	sup	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	you the arcemu guy ?	[11:13]
JoshG	Apepars that way :p	[11:13]
JoshG	appears* ah	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	;;ident JoshG	[11:13]
gribble	Nick 'JoshG', with hostmask 'JoshG!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro', is not identified.	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	get in the wot i'll give you a rating.	[11:13]
JoshG	wot?	[11:13]
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mircea_popescu	yes, the web of trust. this thing :	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust Hasbro	[11:14]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasbro: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Hasbro \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Hasbro \| Rated since: never	[11:14]
arsenische	I appreciate your suggestion to focus on the most valuable publishers and get rid of all the trash. But... won't it be difficult to maintain a binary approach (accept/reject)? Maybe we could just evaluate ad units to have some "quality" attribute, and allow advetisers to set the theshold for their campaigns.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	arsenische nah, because your thing exists to serve the advertiser, and the advertiser needs to have an absolute he can rely on.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	showing 1mn impressions/10k clicks a day when he knows it's all bots is worth 0 to anyone.	[11:15]
Hasbro	How do I “get in” ?	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	arsenische anyway, it's a big move, feel free to think it through, ask any questions. no pressure.	[11:15]
Hasbro	;;rate	[11:15]
gribble	(rate []) -- Enters a rating for in the amount of . Use optional field to enter any notes you have about this user. must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	well... no pressure other than the fact that obviously i want something like this, so if you pass i'll just have someone write a ocmpetitor.	[11:16]
fluffypony	Hasbro: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	Hasbro http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication	[11:16]
Hasbro	too fancy for me	[11:16]
arsenische	mircea_popescu: I will, thank you	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	either.	[11:16]
Hasbro	dcc me all your bitcodes	[11:17]
Hasbro	I’ll be here, ty	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	Hasbro lol take the advice of strangers, it's the best kind of advice you'll ever get. you wanna be in that thing.	[11:17]
fluffypony	lol dcc...that was THE WAY to get warez back in the days	[11:17]
Hasbro	mircea_popescu: trusting me would be a very bad idea	[11:17]
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mircea_popescu	orly?	[11:18]
Hasbro	depends, asl?	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	i'm old and male.	[11:19]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: this might be of interest http://decknetwork.net/	[11:20]
Hasbro	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zvGRNu08B4	[11:20]
ozbot	ytcracker - Warez Loder - YouTube	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	punkman by no means a novel concept, being picky.	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	heck, i've been picky all my life to surprisingly positive results. i'm not even fat.	[11:22]
punkman	rather rare in the online advertising biz though	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	so is making money.	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	you know, it's not just the bitcoin forum that works on the "least value is most visible" principle.	[11:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2378 @ 0.00084091 = 1.9997 BTC [+]	[11:23]
bounce	"back in the day" for me is tape swapping, as dcc just wasn't fast enough	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	"back in the day" for me is plugging z80s into the tv	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	because the romanians actually broadcast stolen code over tv.	[11:27]
*	bounce heard the programs flowing through the air too. radio though, and not stolen of course. because civilised and all that. yeah.	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	fuck you and your civilised moms :D	[11:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10463 @ 0.00084516 = 8.8429 BTC [+]	[11:28]
bounce	still have a book with bunches of hexencoded code printed, for you to type over. I perhaps should scan the thing, then see if I can't OCR and put it in an emulator.	[11:29]
fluffypony	I think I still have my C64 code book	[11:30]
fluffypony	with handwritten snippets at the back	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	bounce first blogpost!	[11:30]
bounce	o_O?	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	scan it, post it.	[11:30]
bounce	heh, right. I got plenty original material to post, just can't be arsed to find a place to post it, then post it.	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	well what if i told you there;s going to be a marvelous ad network, allowing ytou to make entire pennies each day!	[11:31]
bounce	ZOMG GOTTA GIT ON DAT GRAVVY TRAIN	[11:32]
fluffypony	s/pennies/satoshis	[11:32]
bounce	here's an idea: shared webhosting for satoshis. 10000 websites hosted on an aws micro.	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	yeah dude, totally.	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	and if i wanna punish someone, but i mean, REALLY punish them	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	i give them one week tech support on that line.	[11:34]
bounce	static only content only, obviously. I'd set it up if aws let me sign up (which they don't--need phone and cc and then the derping really starts. what do they want now, my first born?)	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	prolly work as abortifacient too	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	i used to have a first born	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	but then i signed up for an aws micro	[11:36]
bounce	as long as it's cheap, eh	[11:37]
*	assbot removes voice from arsenische	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	hey, what terminally ill gpg implementation do osx folks use ?	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	i keep forgetting	[11:41]
fluffypony	standard gpg	[11:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC [+]	[11:42]
fluffypony	http://brew.sh + brew install gpg	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	ty	[11:42]
*	assbot removes voice from Hasbro	[11:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084824 = 5.0046 BTC [+]	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	!up Hasbro	[11:43]
assbot	Voicing Hasbro for 30 minutes.	[11:43]
*	assbot gives voice to Hasbro	[11:43]
Hasbro	gpg eregister	[11:44]
Hasbro	how do I send that	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	;;gpg eregister	[11:44]
gribble	(gpg eregister ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your (1 more message)	[11:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2121 @ 0.00084824 = 1.7991 BTC [+]	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	punkman so i checked two sites randomly from those deck guys. one doesn't load at all (http://www.yayhooray.com/) the other does not show the ads (http://butdoesitfloat.com/)	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	at 9k per month for a spot in a rotation, this is NOT being picky.	[11:56]
punkman	maybe nobody has bought ads on that	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	i could see why not.	[11:58]
punkman	no, it has ads, you just need more JS	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	lolk.	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	;;ident Hasbro	[12:00]
gribble	Nick 'Hasbro', with hostmask 'Hasbro!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro', is identified as user 'Hasbro', with GPG key id 51D245C43C2D4FA1, key fingerprint 6BEB20114F1E24F9029A1CDE51D245C43C2D4FA1, and bitcoin address None	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	;;rate Hasbro 1 ArcEmu guy.	[12:00]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Hasbro has been recorded.	[12:00]
Hasbro	tyvm	[12:00]
Hasbro	<3	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	Hasbro now you can voice yourself here. reg with gribble and then pm assbot !up	[12:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Ukraine/article1407120.ece	[12:01]
*	assbot gives voice to Hasbro	[12:01]
Hasbro	I think I am registered with gribble	[12:02]
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BigBitz	;;gpg info Hasbro	[12:02]
gribble	User 'Hasbro', with keyid 51D245C43C2D4FA1, fingerprint 6BEB20114F1E24F9029A1CDE51D245C43C2D4FA1, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014, last authed on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Hasbro . Currently authenticated from hostmask Hasbro!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro .	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	you are, yes.	[12:02]
BigBitz	you're authed, also.	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	it expires your session if you ever blink (ie, if it doesn' see you)	[12:02]
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Hasbro	damn so now you and LE have my fingerprint :/	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	your gpg fingerprint ?	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	that's an arbitrary string, you can make as many as you want.	[12:03]
BigBitz	That's public anyway, Hasbro :)	[12:03]
Hasbro	nu uh	[12:03]
*	assbot gives voice to BingoBoingo	[12:03]
BigBitz	if you load it to keyservers... yes :)	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	kinda why they're called public keys. to be public.	[12:04]
BigBitz	Public Keys mean........ public.	[12:04]
Hasbro	I’m just kiddin'	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	nu uh	[12:04]
BigBitz	YOU BETTER BE!	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz mac ppl. what do they know of lulz.	[12:04]
*	BigBitz uses Mac :)	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	conspiraci	[12:05]
BigBitz	perhaps I just validated your point :>	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[12:05]
Hasbro	lol	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	self validating point is self validating itself	[12:05]
*	bounce didn't use gpg key exactly because key servers	[12:05]
BigBitz	hehe	[12:05]
Hasbro	what’s wrong with key servers	[12:05]
BigBitz	bounce uploaded his private key :/	[12:05]
BigBitz	UH OH SPEGGAHITO.	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	key servers killed my auntie	[12:05]
Hasbro	lol	[12:05]
BigBitz	public flogging, mircea_popescu?	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	this is how we know the earth to be banana shaped	[12:06]
Hasbro	http://instagram.com/syndicatesbabes	[12:07]
ozbot	Instagram	[12:07]
mircea_popescu	.d	[12:08]
ozbot	8.001 billion \| Next Diff in 1335 blocks \| Estimated Change: 6.7080% in 8d 15h 20m 44s	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	.bait	[12:08]
ozbot	http://37.media.tumblr.com/7f6bd0e4c2224bc96384f6a120d5985a/tumblr_n2ewzy5HMs1rphicao1_1280.jpg	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	wow a bait that didn't suck.	[12:08]
Hasbro	.bait	[12:08]
ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7417703d56cab2d50870dcc0e16aed4/tumblr_mxzmlyZA7N1qe1pp3o1_1280.jpg	[12:08]
Hasbro	can’t fap to that	[12:08]
fluffypony	BigBitz sup	[12:09]
Naphex	morning	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	hola	[12:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.076 = 0.228 BTC [-]	[12:10]
BigBitz	fluffypony not much bro.	[12:11]
BigBitz	sup with you ?	[12:12]
fluffypony	busy busy	[12:12]
BigBitz	counting all your money?	[12:12]
BigBitz	or is that just mircea_popescu ?	[12:12]
fluffypony	lol	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	im counting the money, he's cunting the blondies, we got a whole system	[12:13]
fluffypony	"cunting the blondies"	[12:13]
fluffypony	sounds about right	[12:13]
BigBitz	how do I get involved in this counting and cunting action?	[12:13]
Naphex	so localbitcoins got bit?;o	[12:13]
BigBitz	with preference to the cunting...	[12:13]
Naphex	what is it with people not securing their bootloader and datacenters	[12:14]
Naphex	just rebooting servers trolol	[12:14]
BigBitz	Naphex LBC has been bit a few times. I prevented their last big one.	[12:14]
BigBitz	Naphex fools be foolin'	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	Naphex yes. best part about it is the "everything's safe, we got wiped."	[12:14]
fluffypony	Naphex: it's also really shitty on the DC's part	[12:14]
BigBitz	the time the guy got away with 80BTC I found it and alerted jeramis before they lost a lot of their BTC.	[12:14]
BigBitz	so simple...	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz what, you host ?	[12:15]
BigBitz	ENFORCE MFA FOR WITHDRAW, PLOX.	[12:15]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu no.	[12:15]
BigBitz	I secure.	[12:15]
BigBitz	DoctorBTC in -otc was talking/asking about image related malware.	[12:15]
BigBitz	I got interested...	[12:15]
BigBitz	He told me someone was stealing BTC from LBC using image based malware.	[12:16]
BingoBoingo	Oh, a-ads might do something?	[12:16]
BigBitz	they weren't.	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo up to arsenische atm.	[12:16]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Interesting.	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz what i don't get is, why the fuck would local bitcoins hold any bitcoins. just run it like craigslist, what do you want to hold on to the risk for.	[12:16]
BigBitz	enforced escrow.	[12:16]
BigBitz	makes sense; if you can secure your shit.	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	fuck that. it's nonsense. you can't enforce escrow.	[12:17]
BigBitz	adds some validitity to the trade.	[12:17]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu enforced in the sense it must be filled before it can be traded.	[12:17]
BigBitz	proof, at least, there is bitcoin available.	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	yes ok. but that can be done many other (better) ways	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	and isn't actually escrow	[12:17]
BigBitz	Yup.	[12:17]
BigBitz	I'm aware :)	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	so you know, they just eat a pie of risk for no upside.	[12:17]
mircea_popescu	but then again... hey. business isn't a skill we're born with.	[12:18]
BigBitz	speak to jereamis I think he's seen enough upside ;)	[12:18]
BigBitz	business acumen isn't rife in Bitcoin land.	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	as they say, the best way to sink a good team with a good idea is a bad revenue stream.	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz in fact, local bitcoins could just verify a btc address signature, for the same effects, not having to hold any btc in the process.	[12:19]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: going back to KLYE discussion earlier - do you think there is a market for insex type content + bitcoin?	[12:19]
BigBitz	sure but that's as worthwhile as saying "here it is" then moving it instantly.	[12:19]
mircea_popescu	cazalla only for people who actually control a harem of willing babes.	[12:19]
BigBitz	someone hit up Dan BIlaizare.	[12:20]
punkman	did KLYE deliver the harem pic?	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz not exactly different in effect than the pseudo-escrow.	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	punkman nah.	[12:20]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu it's not quite pseudo -- they get the coin.	[12:20]
BigBitz	IT's the release actions which have had flaws.	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz someone explained in here why this model is very vulnerable irl.	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	"cams will see the person leave with their own item" sort of thing.	[12:21]
BigBitz	coz ppl b stuped.	[12:21]
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BingoBoingo	arsenische: Oh, you run a-ads?	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz also, kinda trivial to verify address has been meanwhile emptied, doesn't show so good on the proposed seller.	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	lol all these fucktards spending on google ads for "bitcoin" for their shitty fiat scams. "Bitcoin - Welcome Bonus, 1:10, Starting 100 €"	[12:26]
BigBitz	lol	[12:26]
BigBitz	The world is still full of stupid people who don't know Bitcoin from sand.	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	so you're saying that the notion that someone googling bitcoin would actually fall for the most tired webscams is not exactly without basis ?	[12:27]
BigBitz	education isn't exactly non-existant but "MAKE DEM QUICK BUCKS"	[12:27]
BigBitz	I'm saying some people think they can have their cake and eat it. for free.	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	welll... they can definitely... eat it.	[12:29]
BigBitz	:)	[12:29]
BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eil5FNfQGfY	[12:29]
ozbot	Lil Debbie - BAKE A CAKE - Official Video - YouTube	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/03/facebook-twists-reality-again-and-risks-ruining-your-children/	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	fox news hating on oculus rift.	[12:30]
BigBitz	Fox News Hating.	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	"there is no fda in the tech space!!!11"	[12:30]
BigBitz	You need no further words, generally.	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	"think of the children!!!1"	[12:30]
BigBitz	oneEleveN	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	"Zuckerberg’s obvious theory (given that he expresses no conscious desire to do harm) is that Facebook and the Oculus VR are good businesses and good ways to communicate and have fun. My theory is that Facebook is an addictive technological drug that, like every drug, gives people temporary pleasure and, ultimately, causes many people to become psychiatrically ill."	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	right. because doctor a-blow is now allowed to put his opinions on the same table.	[12:31]
BigBitz	:\|	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	"We are deploying powerful technology drugs to our young people"	[12:31]
BigBitz	"DRUGS ARE GOOD. From Facebook"	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	we. you know, doctor a-blow is... somehow, don't ask how, part of all this.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	he like knows and shit. he's like invented google, he's in this tech thing. we.	[12:31]
BigBitz	mircea_popescu I get the impression I don't even need to be here for you to converse...	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	"Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team." unintentional irony ftw.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	BigBitz well atm i was ranting	[12:32]
BigBitz	:)	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo damn that short ugly thing's voice is annoying.	[12:33]
Naphex	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-03/obama-administration-launches-plan-make-internet-id-reality	[12:33]
ozbot	Obama Administration Launches Plan To Make An "Internet ID" A Reality \| Zero Hedge	[12:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07616666 = 0.2285 BTC [+] {2}	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	Naphex i gues they never heard of gpg still huh.	[12:34]
Naphex	hehe prolly	[12:34]
Naphex	they are going for x509 certificates	[12:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: See, When you complain about us getting Britney Spears... Those were the bad, but not so bad days. Now we have those things.	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	ikr.	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	!up arsenische	[12:37]
assbot	Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.	[12:37]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you nut, i just realised you were asking the guy questions he had no voice.	[12:37]
BigBitz	!up mircea_popescu	[12:37]
assbot	Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.	[12:37]
*	assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu	[12:37]
BigBitz	w00t	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	!up urmom	[12:37]
assbot	Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	should be enough for her.	[12:37]
BigBitz	Doubtful.	[12:37]
BigBitz	She's a go-er.	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[12:37]
BigBitz	She'll fuck you, probably.	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	a wink's as good as a nudge.	[12:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1094 @ 0.00325487 = 3.5608 BTC [+]	[12:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00084767 = 8.5615 BTC [-]	[12:44]
Naphex	<+mircea_popescu> Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?	[12:47]
Naphex	probably	[12:47]
Naphex	thats how they do all gov eauctions everywhere	[12:47]
Naphex	with x509 and https	[12:47]
Naphex	and ofcourse all platforms are shitty, expensive, horrible	[12:48]
BingoBoingo	Don't forget the key escrow	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	Naphex what i mean is, technically speaking any https site satisfies the "it uses x509" criterion. and so, a contractor could in principle slap a lamp on a box, draw up 3 pages and there you go, invoice for 50 billion.	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	not that this isn't how it'll end up working	[12:51]
Naphex	well it will have specs attached	[12:51]
Naphex	but it will most likely use x509 certificates, and "ssl authentication"	[12:52]
Naphex	you gotta have that certificate imported and loaded to log in	[12:52]
Naphex	so thats what your gov id will be	[12:52]
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Naphex	and most likely use adobe with x509 to sign/encrypt send pdf documents	[12:55]
Naphex	:))	[12:55]
Naphex	https://www.e-licitatie.ro/Public/Common/Content.aspx?f=PublicHomePage is a famous case i think ;]	[12:57]
Naphex	i think that 'portal' - thats what they call shitty webapps that cost hundreds of milions	[12:58]
Naphex	went for around 30, 40 mil eur	[12:58]
Naphex	so you get that web app, with x509 certificates/documents and thats bout it	[12:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084529 = 2.5781 BTC [-]	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	Naphex which is why it sucks being the government.	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	you're like that stupid kid everyone beats up and takes lunch money from. even the girls.	[13:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 534 @ 0.00019097 = 0.102 BTC [-] {3}	[13:05]
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Naphex	well imo	[13:09]
Naphex	the thing is, you can drag gov auctions forever	[13:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5657 @ 0.00084519 = 4.7812 BTC [-] {2}	[13:09]
Naphex	so a lot of companies will just price that in their bid, pushing it up	[13:09]
Naphex	a lot of other fun stuff like corruption, inside deals, and pref specs go on as well	[13:11]
Naphex	which will just add up	[13:11]
Naphex	also companies have to finance most up front, then wait for gov money	[13:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2525 @ 0.0001852 = 0.4676 BTC [-] {11}	[13:19]
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Hasbro	you know it’s early am when I’m reading hair dying techniques at 622am	[13:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1972 @ 0.00018138 = 0.3577 BTC [-] {6}	[13:23]
fluffypony	Hasbro: hair chalk is the solution	[13:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00014841 = 0.5194 BTC [-] {3}	[15:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07502107 = 0.9003 BTC [-] {3}	[15:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.06474168 = 0.4532 BTC [-]	[15:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0750977 = 1.502 BTC [+] {3}	[15:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 907 @ 0.00084854 = 0.7696 BTC [-]	[15:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] {2}	[15:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21849 @ 0.00084331 = 18.4255 BTC [-]	[15:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00084468 = 2.9564 BTC [+]	[15:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07271111 = 0.1454 BTC [-] {2}	[15:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00084275 = 11.04 BTC [-] {2}	[15:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00084468 = 3.3787 BTC [+]	[15:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2024 @ 0.00084115 = 1.7025 BTC [-]	[15:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00084384 = 8.1009 BTC [+] {2}	[15:42]
FabianB	!t m S.MPOE	[15:50]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00083786 / 0.00091525 / 0.00097187 (488970 shares, 447.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096558 / 0.00098485 (5245781 shares, 5,065.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096921 / 0.00101 (19564348 shares, 18,962.04 BTC)	[15:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48322048 BTC [+]	[16:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0319899 = 0.3839 BTC [+]	[16:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4678 @ 0.00084265 = 3.9419 BTC [-] {2}	[16:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1495 @ 0.00014824 = 0.2216 BTC [-]	[16:15]
kakobrekla	!up PsychoticBoy	[16:15]
assbot	Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.	[16:15]
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kakobrekla	!jd mpif	[16:19]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.83914054 BTC; +0.01448485 BTC (+0.0088%) since last check 5h 14m 6s ago.	[16:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00084728 = 3.9822 BTC [+]	[16:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00084728 = 8.3033 BTC [+]	[16:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2313 @ 0.00084182 = 1.9471 BTC [-] {2}	[16:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.475 = 2.85 BTC [-]	[16:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07502333 = 0.4501 BTC [+] {3}	[16:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.075101 = 0.3004 BTC [+]	[16:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]	[16:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00084129 = 11.6519 BTC [-] {2}	[16:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.075101 = 1.2016 BTC [+]	[16:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075101 = 0.751 BTC [+]	[17:03]
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ThickAsThieves	look at this bullshit https://twitter.com/TheRealAltcoin/status/462960434652667905	[17:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9676 @ 0.00084635 = 8.1893 BTC [+] {2}	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	she's "Director of Public Affairs" for BTCFoundation	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	jurov has a blog?	[17:26]
BigBitz	Still...	[17:27]
BigBitz	you'd fuck her.	[17:27]
fluffypony	"Happily married // Committed to ever after // Champion for innovative technology & policies that empower people // Director of Public Affairs"	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	lol, she leads her twitter description with	[17:28]
fluffypony	lawlz.	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	you beat me to it	[17:28]
BigBitz	:)	[17:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0008466 = 6.9421 BTC [+]	[17:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00014888 = 0.2084 BTC [-]	[17:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]	[17:29]
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pankkake	jurov's blog is http://explo.yt/	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves lol.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	lying is a scammer's true nature.	[17:43]
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ThickAsThieves	oh yeah i forgot jurov had a blog cuz i filed it under MPEx tutorials	[17:45]
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mircea_popescu	since when is the alleged foundation supporting ripple anyway	[17:48]
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ThickAsThieves	surely they are plutonium level members	[17:49]
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mircea_popescu	so ?	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	pay to play	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	what, if bin laden becomes a tritium level member they're going to support bombing tall ny buildings ?	[17:49]
asciilifeform	osmium level.	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	i thought you supported no-moderation advertising?!	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	speaking of which, i wanna serve bitbet mike_c dynamic ads	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	halp	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves srsly.	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	i have the biggest and most hits in the paraverse	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves understand tho : this is moderated as to venue, not as to content.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	exactly opposite	[17:52]
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ThickAsThieves	i'm just playin re BTCFundnation	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	shilling aint advertising	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	well it is	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	but	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	yknow	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	my blog has 56 unique users, is that good?	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's sort-of good.	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	i could probably add a hundred or so if i plugged it to the forum	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	but i dont want stalkers and trolls	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/	[17:55]
ozbot	Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	there, you got lamp, you prolly got awstats	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	dammit you killed my cookie again	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	i did not kill no cookies	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	i just eat them	[17:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.1405 = 0.562 BTC [+]	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	hmm does cookie eating coincide with header gfx changes?	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	you have mircerberus art now	[17:58]
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ThickAsThieves	holy shit you have 240k unique users?!	[17:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 771 @ 0.0008426 = 0.6496 BTC [-]	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	it's the web you know ?	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	well i'm still gonna treat you normal, your head is big enough	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	and now you have 3	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03130001 = 0.1565 BTC [-] {2}	[18:01]
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artifexd	Need more proof that mircea_popescu is the Chuck Norris of finance? Apparently he can divide by zero. Ref: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/	[18:15]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd wait wut ?	[18:15]
artifexd	P/E is "Price divide by earnings", right? Zero earnings means dividing by zero.	[18:16]
artifexd	Wait. Nevermind. My eyes jumped ahead of my brain.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	"The P/E implied value per share is thus 0 BTC." unzips, depacks and deflates as "the value of each share calculated on the basis of the P/E of this company so far would be 0"	[18:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11132 @ 0.00084585 = 9.416 BTC [+] {2}	[18:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07649999 = 0.153 BTC [+]	[18:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4024 @ 0.00084781 = 3.4116 BTC [+]	[18:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.64309480 BTC to 8`410 shares, 31428 satoshi per share	[19:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.032 = 0.224 BTC [+] {2}	[19:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03300011 = 0.132 BTC [-]	[19:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]	[19:55]
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bitcoinpete	;;later tell punkman now i wanna catch up on some wu tang clan!	[20:12]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:12]
fluffypony	all you need is a vocab of 9k words!	[20:12]
kakobrekla	!jd mpif	[20:13]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.89471781 BTC; +0.05557727 BTC (+0.0339%) since last check 3h 53m 41s ago.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[20:13]
BingoBoingo	whelp, just got back from the hospital	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	did you hit on the nurses or did they hit on you	[20:14]
fluffypony	BingoBoingo: are you HIV aladeen or HIV aladeen?	[20:14]
bitcoinpete	fluffypony: ha!	[20:15]
bitcoinpete	i have some aladeen news for you	[20:15]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: DIdn't test for that. Instead I was diagnosed with aladeen.	[20:15]
fluffypony	you are...HIV aladeen...	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	wtf is this aladeen mangosteen	[20:15]
fluffypony	:) ... :( ... :) ... :/	[20:15]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Reference to some Jew movie	[20:15]
bitcoinpete	my body double's latest movie: the dictator	[20:16]
bitcoinpete	"Sacha Baron Cohen attended The 84th Annual Academy Awards (2012) in character and full costume as Aladeen, accompanied by his "virgin guards". While giving an interview on the red carpet to an unsuspecting Ryan Seacrest he brandished an urn he claimed to contain the remains of deceased North Korean dictator Jong-il Kim. Cohen then spilled the ashes all over Seacrest's tuxedo. As a result, Cohen was banned from entering the auditori	[20:21]
bitcoinpete	or participating in the events."	[20:21]
fluffypony	totally not a setup at all	[20:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.0008499 = 2.3372 BTC [+] {2}	[20:22]
bitcoinpete	meh promo	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	he didn't even have a ticket	[20:23]
bitcoinpete	General Aladeen: [to his pregnant wife] Are you having a boy or an abortion?	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/NYJ2w82WifU	[20:26]
ozbot	THE DICTATOR - HIV Aladeen - YouTube	[20:26]
fluffypony	lol bitcoinpete	[20:27]
Framedragger	i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet	[20:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43244 @ 0.00084497 = 36.5399 BTC [-] {7}	[20:30]
fluffypony	lol	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	hello to you too Framedragger	[20:33]
Framedragger	long time	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	;;google pompastic	[20:33]
gribble	THE WORDORIUM - A Dictionary of Daffy Definitions: POMPASTIC: ; pompastic! on Pinterest: ; Ashish prints and pom poms \| Graphic Prints / Clashing colours \| Pint…:	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	;;google where is vragnaroda to teach this guy grammer.	[20:33]
gribble	No matches found.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	sadly.	[20:33]
Framedragger	gribble fails at google	[20:34]
pankkake	the correct form is… pompatic?!	[20:34]
Framedragger	first hit here is http://www.wordorium.blogspot.com/2005/03/pompastic.html	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	mr bombastik pretty fantastik...	[20:34]
Framedragger	which actually provides some sense	[20:34]
Framedragger	i choose the "to shake a pompom vigorously" interpretation	[20:35]
Framedragger	i guess closest 'legit' match is http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=pomposity&allowed_in_frame=0	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	so you just meant pompous ?	[20:36]
fluffypony	pompous-nisity	[20:36]
Framedragger	i guess. i just made a literal mapping from own tongue onto english. but english failed on me :( so, "pompous"	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	the mapping failed you!	[20:37]
fluffypony	close enough	[20:37]
pankkake	http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pompatic a.1.Pompous	[20:37]
ozbot	Pompatic - definition of Pompatic by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.	[20:37]
Framedragger	aha.	[20:37]
bitcoinpete	"FXBTC said that long-term financial losses stemming from what it termed a “blockade” by the PBOC resulted in the management team deciding to end the service."	[20:38]
bitcoinpete	http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-bitcoin-exchange-fxbtc-to-close-citing-central-bank-pressure/ <	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[20:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0008418 = 10.0174 BTC [-]	[20:39]
bitcoinpete	"Russian or Ukrainian" buyer snaps up £140m flat at 1 hyde park and BoE screams "top!"	[20:50]
bitcoinpete	http://www.bbc.com/news/business-27253097	[20:50]
ozbot	BBC News - Bank of England warns on house price 'correction'	[20:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0044012 = 0.11 BTC [-] {2}	[20:54]
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chetty	http://news.yahoo.com/russian-bombers-fighter-jets-seen-over-crimea-143320553.html;_ylt=AwrTWVXoVWZThysAFHrQtDMD	[20:56]
ozbot	Russian bombers, fighter jets 'seen over Crimea' - Yahoo News	[20:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 66 @ 0.00199999 = 0.132 BTC [+] {3}	[20:59]
bitcoinpete	http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/1814/20140417/china-prepares-massive-investments-crimea.htm#.U1UydF9eYHA.twitter	[21:00]
ozbot	China Prepares Massive Investments in Crimea : World : ChinaTopix.com	[21:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00441948 = 0.1237 BTC [+] {2}	[21:01]
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benkay	re garding fox news: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LZpVr4hhxjE/U2QMGWIaWXI/AAAAAAAAGaM/Xj1VBJMyS-0/s1600/Fox+Obamacare.jpg	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	so much win.	[21:09]
benkay	stories from the loltron	[21:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13162 @ 0.00084314 = 11.0974 BTC [+] {2}	[21:11]
kakobrekla	http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2014/201404/news30/2014-0430-23ee.html	[21:11]
benkay	client wants to do a thing with asymmetric crypto on the major mobile platforms, my guys are handling the ios side. apple provides a handy dandy set of apis for generating keys (your second 4096 bit key on a bleeding edge iphone will take over a minute to gather 'adequate' 'entropy', btw).	[21:12]
bounce	so... the chinese knew (or suspected) about the crimea thing beforehand? and that nevada thing, does that mean the poor farmer gets his cattle back now?	[21:12]
benkay	apple's api's are more than happy to give you the raw bytes of the private key, but it seems they then forgot to build out the calls to import that key back into their play-pi.	[21:13]
benkay	guess what the client's considering	[21:13]
benkay	come on guess	[21:13]
bounce	"give benkay mo' moneis"	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:13]
benkay	well that's a given, bounce no points	[21:14]
bounce	the rest is your problem. :-p	[21:14]
benkay	(they're dangerously savvy and like to help make decisions).	[21:14]
benkay	BUT SRSLY MOAR GUESSES	[21:14]
benkay	i'll tell after two	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	install windows on ios ?	[21:14]
benkay	getting close	[21:15]
benkay	does have to do with known turds	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	install macosx on ios ?	[21:15]
bounce	generating 4kbit keys takes over a minute? try validating a 1kbit signature on a z80 (certain ti calculators with signed firmware)	[21:15]
benkay	ios is already stripped down macos, troll	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	how does your client know this.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	bounce the chinese knew.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	that they knew you knew the moment they didn't say anything.	[21:15]
benkay	rolling openssl into the project	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	openssl is not in ios ?!	[21:16]
bounce	for extra safety, sure, why not	[21:16]
benkay	http://cdn.niketalk.com/5/51/51df70cf_tumblr_lm8xntfhTT1ql141xo1_400.gif	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla kokobakukan.com	[21:16]
kakobrekla	what, the thing is amazing.	[21:17]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	"What’s “kokobakukan”?! “kokobakukan”is the space that there are interesting things for you."	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	http://explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Kris/honey2.png	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	Charles Gasparino @CGasparino · 1h never heard @felixsalmon or @cafreeland bemoan working class kids priced outta williamsburg but God forbid it happens to hipsters in SF	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	guy has a point.	[21:20]
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benkay	i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet << pompastic you say? quite the portmanteau.	[21:23]
benkay	pompous + bombastic?	[21:24]
benkay	wth asses	[21:24]
benkay	pathetic logs this morning	[21:24]
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Framedragger	yeah, pretty much that	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	http://clientsfromhell.net/post/84718913347/client-i-uploaded-the-twitter-background-you-sent	[21:26]
benkay	is it my eyes or are the winklevii doing something useful? http://winkdex.com/#/	[21:28]
benkay	mircea_popescu: let me know how broken it is without js	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	http://clientsfromhell.net/post/84616669366/client-this-html-email-template-you-did-doesnt	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	that goes to you.	[21:28]
benkay	fired.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	benkay what's useful about that exactly ?	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker on a website ?	[21:29]
gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg\|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market \|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)	[21:29]
benkay	well is somewhere in between the bloomberg quote and ;;ticker, no?	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	it's somewhere betweet "unadulterated nonsense" and "who gives a shit", but sure.	[21:30]
benkay	lawdy	[21:30]
benkay	bitcoincharts.org nonsense as well then?	[21:30]
Framedragger	hah, check out their bios on http://winkdex.com/#/about	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea who those are.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	Hmm, bitcoincharts.org isn't loading right now.	[21:31]
Framedragger	at least they have a sense of humour (maybe)	[21:31]
benkay	dot com dot butts	[21:31]
benkay	hey mircea_popescu on an entirely different topic what was this situation where romania just gave oodles of cash away to 'businessmen' once upon a time? sounds like quite the story.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	benkay http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506512	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	benkay context ?	[21:32]
kakobrekla	Framedragger you dont work in IT do you... ever heard of redundancy?	[21:33]
Framedragger	;)	[21:33]
fluffypony	[20:16:16] mircea_popescu: openssl is not in ios ?! <- they implement Open Group's CDSA/CSSM, they hate OpenSSL because it doesn't maintain a stable API between versions	[21:33]
Framedragger	their twitter images are also symmetrical	[21:33]
Framedragger	call it 'sharding'	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony good reason to hate it, incidentally.	[21:34]
fluffypony	agreed	[21:34]
fluffypony	there was a quote about it	[21:34]
fluffypony	"Apple does keep an older version of OpenSSL around that isn't vulnerable to the exploit. Safely chained to a wall. In the dungeon. It prods it with sticks now and again to make sure it's still breathing."	[21:35]
benkay	mircea_popescu: your comment was along the lines of 'romania gave a bunch of money to basically anyone who showed up claiming to be a businessman and a bunch of guys blew it in advertising'	[21:35]
benkay	iirc you also made a comment about massive gold reserves in proximity	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	benkay a, was a more complex discussion, see the whole log.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	that was after the revolution, early 90s	[21:35]
benkay	ayeah, trying to find it.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ahaha only now i get the joke. lmao.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	"invest with the twinkletoss brothers! there's a spare included!"	[21:38]
kakobrekla	;)	[21:38]
danielpbarron	is it safe to assume that a user operating a pass-through for MPEx has a lot to lose if he were to decide to run with the money? To clarify, is it MPEx's official policy to publically shame and/or revoke access for such a user?	[21:42]
benkay	identity operating the mpex keys will be toast for sure.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	in general you'd expect the rotten pt operator to withdraw everything from mpex before he actually runs.	[21:43]
danielpbarron	mircea_popescu: but would his access be void? (value of 30 BTC)	[21:43]
benkay	but mircea_popescu wouldja revoke the keys?	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[21:43]
kakobrekla	if you know who it is	[21:44]
danielpbarron	nice :D	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	well you gotta know who he is.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	how could you not	[21:44]
benkay	you gotta know the keyid he's using, non?	[21:44]
benkay	kinda the point of mpex - put down 30B, get access no questions asked.	[21:45]
danielpbarron	I don't need to know, but i'm confident MPEx could figure that one out	[21:45]
kakobrekla	but mpex cant	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	you shouldn't be confident mpex will figure anything.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	but if you ever asked your pt op for a mpex signed stat, for instance, you should know	[21:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1160 @ 0.00084176 = 0.9764 BTC [-]	[21:46]
benkay	pt ops should be considered bad actors if they refuse to provide those, then. no amount of 'gotta preserve the secrecy of my keys with mpex' allowed.	[21:46]
danielpbarron	i agree	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	well it's entirely up to you.	[21:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3140 @ 0.00084118 = 2.6413 BTC [-]	[21:47]
kakobrekla	yeah but you can go to buttfucker and post a passthrough as evedence present a malfucked pgp signature which none of the 'investors' know how to check anyway and thats that	[21:47]
chetty	no way around the basics, due diligence and trust	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	well nobody forces anyone to not know / not think / etc	[21:48]
danielpbarron	for example: a user is in the WoT, and has a rating of 3 or more given by mircea_popescu, describing him as an operator of a specific pass-through; is it safe to trust this user on that information alone?	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	no.	[21:52]
fluffypony	not enough information given	[21:52]
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mircea_popescu	it's never safe to trust.	[21:52]
danielpbarron	doesn't this necessarily mean that MPEx knows the user's credentials, and could disable them if it turned out to be a scam?	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	no, it does not.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	you can find out what it means by asking the rater what they meant.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	you're not at liberty to arbitrarily decide what someone else's rating means.	[21:53]
danielpbarron	ok, mircea_popescu what did you mean when you rated jurov?	[21:53]
fluffypony	danielpbarron: I think part of the WoT is extrapolation of information upon which a conclusion can be drawn, and sometimes that information needs to be expanded by talking to the rater	[21:53]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron i meant the guy has been operating a mpex broker for about two years now, it never ran into any difficulty, and met him twice in person	[21:54]
danielpbarron	mircea_popescu: do you know which GPG key he uses to place orders on MPEx?	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	;;rated jurov	[21:55]
chetty	danielpbarron, do you trust yourself to never eat that piece of chocolate cake you know you shouldn't have?	[21:55]
gribble	You rated user jurov on Mon Apr 21 06:09:46 2014, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: Years of promises kept..	[21:55]
danielpbarron	chetty: 99.99%, ya	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	i'm pretty sure (5/10) that i know enough of the guy to have an opinion, and that opinion is he should be trustworthy.	[21:55]
chetty	danielpbarron, that I think is the point - trust has degrees, you should be aware of them	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	dun tell me jurov ran off ?!	[21:56]
danielpbarron	lol probably not; just doing some due dilligence	[21:56]
bounce	what, like kevin bacon or something? confused	[21:56]
benkay	i mean i been trying to get ahold of him all weekend, but that was after he said he was going to be unavailable all weekend	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:57]
danielpbarron	that's a good thing, right?	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron sure.	[21:57]
bounce	man of his word. he breaks it, you derate him.	[21:57]
danielpbarron	keeping his word	[21:57]
benkay	but that's all any of us are.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	i thought you meant doing your dd as a good thing.	[21:58]
danielpbarron	that too, but I wasn't unsure of that one	[21:58]
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mircea_popescu	it's a finicky thing, too.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	http://www.deadline.com/2014/05/white-house-correspondents-dinner-2014-live-blog/	[22:03]
ozbot	White House Correspondents' Dinner 2014 -- Live Blog	[22:03]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/idrrdgjETxY << guy's actually real bad.	[22:08]
ozbot	Joel McHale at the 2014 White House Correspondents' Dinner (HD Complete) - YouTube	[22:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07520012 = 0.6016 BTC [-] {2}	[22:13]
benkay	who's the author of that piece on why women don't go into the sciences?	[22:14]
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benkay	!up gesell	[22:14]
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mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/454333198307061760/HrKaTPLj.jpeg << dude all the work they put into making that prude vaguely appear sexy	[22:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11184 @ 0.00084376 = 9.4366 BTC [+]	[22:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3166 @ 0.00084743 = 2.683 BTC [+]	[22:20]
benkay	asciilifeform: would you grace me with a link to that piece explaining why women look at the sciences and run screaming in the opposite direction?	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	“You guys sound like you are on a roller coaster right now, McHale said to the crowd as they groaned to another one of his flopped jokes."	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	if only that rust chick whatever her name was were there to stand up and derp.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	"please not to refer to all the unemployable women here hoping for a good marriage by a term implying we're thai ladyboys"	[22:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5697 @ 0.00084743 = 4.8278 BTC [+]	[22:22]
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davout	benkay: that what you're thinking of ? -> http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science	[22:23]
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benkay	davout: many thanks	[22:28]
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benkay	http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303380004579520041301275638?mod=WSJ_hp_RightTopStories&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303380004579520041301275638.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_RightTopStories	[22:32]
benkay	i get it! mircea_popescu's farming slavegirls to keep himself looking young forever: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579541950544978572?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303417104579541950544978572.html	[22:34]
benkay	"Findings from both research groups grew out of experiments in which the blood circulation systems of old and young mice were surgically connected, in a manner akin to Siamese twins. In such experiments, older mice essentially got younger while younger mice got older."	[22:35]
benkay	eeeeew	[22:35]
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mircea_popescu	you sayin' i got woman blood ?	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	!up transfix	[22:39]
benkay	probably don't want to cross the hormonal streams	[22:39]
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mircea_popescu	Naphex http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-cultura-sociala/#comment-64793 ("e pe investitii")	[22:41]
fluffypony	jurov: willkommen	[22:45]
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Apocalyptic	sounds like fun	[22:45]
Apocalyptic	you've seen Gasparovic ?	[22:45]
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davout	jurov: what's a manul?	[22:45]
moiety	you rang? ... i heard bears and manuls	[22:46]
Apocalyptic	rumour has it he likes to hunt bears and /collegues/	[22:46]
moiety	manuls hunt you jurov	[22:46]
davout	jurov: nah, was on a week end too :D	[22:46]
davout	except french style week end, five days long	[22:47]
fluffypony	davout: http://i.imgur.com/tNaMm.jpg	[22:47]
fluffypony	that glorious animal	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	they did that shit here too, may 1-4	[22:47]
jurov	moiety, can you poignantly explain to him?	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic sorry, who ?	[22:47]
jurov	oh fluffy did	[22:47]
jurov	gasparovic is slovak soon to be expresident, what he did?	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	oic	[22:48]
moiety	they will rip your face off without a second thought Apocalyptic :D	[22:48]
fluffypony	moiety: not the derpy ones	[22:49]
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Apocalyptic	dem manuls	[22:49]
jurov	lol this got tangled beyond repair	[22:49]
fluffypony	they'll just lick you to death	[22:49]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, jurov i'm refering to this incident when one of his fellow hunter was killed during a hunt	[22:49]
moiety	no such thing... just sleeping ones	[22:49]
moiety	lol jurov	[22:50]
jurov	Apocalyptic: and then mr.president was on retconned vacation in croatia? oh yes	[22:50]
Apocalyptic	yes jurov	[22:50]
davout	fluffypony: ty!	[22:50]
jurov	also, just to throw in another unrelated topic.. benkay, you're the third nigga i had to scream "but i dun have test mpex what do i doooooooo!!!!"	[22:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1689 @ 0.00084743 = 1.4313 BTC [+]	[22:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.03245072 = 1.3954 BTC [+] {5}	[22:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03300105 = 0.33 BTC [-]	[22:52]
jurov	(context: i''m trying to hire someone to improve MPExAgent)	[22:52]
jurov	(and benkay is the last one so far)	[22:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 744 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1616 BTC [+]	[22:53]
kakobrekla	whats wrong with mpexagent	[22:53]
jurov	i want round cornerz	[22:53]
fluffypony	jurov: and responsive HTML 5 animation?	[22:54]
fluffypony	with jQuery!	[22:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00084743 = 6.8642 BTC [+]	[22:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 867 @ 0.00015 = 0.1301 BTC [-]	[22:54]
jurov	yup. and http auth. and botstrip	[22:54]
jurov	and sockets	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	clearly all this needs mpex sadbox. o.O	[22:54]
fluffypony	NODE.jquery	[22:54]
jurov	er.websockets	[22:54]
jurov	indeed it does	[22:54]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: a sadbox is where Jimmothy goes	[22:54]
jurov	at leats niggaz.txt needz that	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	kik	[22:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 213 @ 0.00053999 = 0.115 BTC [-]	[22:57]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5490 @ 0.00084392 = 4.6331 BTC [-]	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 462 @ 0.00053999 = 0.2495 BTC [-]	[23:02]
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jurov	ooooh SatoshiJack sent me some dough...gotta learn blackjack someday, never played it :)	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	!up bitcoingirl	[23:03]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl hey there.	[23:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1150 @ 0.00021725 = 0.2498 BTC [+]	[23:04]
bitcoingirl	hey	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	you type in the lower box and hit enter aha!	[23:04]
bitcoingirl	ok got it	[23:04]
bitcoingirl	this is a new experience for me	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	learn something new every day!	[23:04]
bitcoingirl	just hope my ip isn't getting hacked right now	[23:04]
fluffypony	jurov: I suck at it	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	so, im looking for a mpex ambassador. dja know what mpex i ?	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	is*	[23:04]
bitcoingirl	http://mpex.co	[23:05]
ozbot	MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[23:05]
bitcoingirl	where is this based	[23:05]
bitcoingirl	what country	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	it's not based anywhere, it's a bitcoin corp.	[23:05]
jurov	in Transnistria	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the deal would be : you go to whatever bitcoin conferences you feel like, i'll cover your entrance fee. you talk to people, explain stuff to them.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	i'll give you a pile of facts to work with.	[23:06]
bitcoingirl	i do that	[23:06]
bitcoingirl	i *can do that	[23:06]
jurov	and i'll give you coinbr discount coupons	[23:06]
diametric	anyone heard of Bitcoin Armory?	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl alrighty, when do you want to start ?	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	diametric sure.	[23:07]
bitcoingirl	lets start at Amsterdam conference	[23:07]
bitcoingirl	2 weeks away	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	cool idea. maybe ThickAsThieves shows up there too.	[23:07]
diametric	mircea_popescu: have an opinion?	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	diametric they're not awful.	[23:07]
diametric	i'm still researching, but i just learned they're based about 15 minutes from my house.	[23:08]
bitcoingirl	i don't know what thickastheives is	[23:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-] {3}	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl it's the irc nick of john carvalo, a bitcoin guy.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	i mentioned his name because many irc clients blink if you'r ementioned, and so he knows.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl do you have a blog somewhere, i forget ?	[23:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0316409 = 0.3164 BTC [-]	[23:09]
bitcoingirl	on Forbes	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	link ?	[23:09]
bitcoingirl	http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/	[23:09]
ozbot	Perianne Boring - Boring Economics - Forbes	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	a ty	[23:09]
Duffer1	great photo	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	did you ever use gpg ?	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 yeah she looks a million.	[23:10]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl you ever use gpg ?	[23:10]
bitcoingirl	i don't know hat irc nick means	[23:10]
bitcoingirl	no	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	ok, one at a time. irc is the network we're in. it's like a sort of skype, only works a lot better.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	a nick is a name. for instance, your nick is bitcoingirl	[23:11]
bitcoingirl	and multiple people are viewing our conversation?	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	currently, yes.	[23:11]
Duffer1	everyone you see on the left	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	there's a list of them to the right (oir left). there's also the channel logs, which plenty of people read.	[23:12]
bitcoingirl	I don't know who john carvalo is - never heard of him	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	ttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com <	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl he used to run asicminer PTs and was on their board.	[23:12]
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bitcoingirl	what is that link?	[23:12]
bitcoingirl	not working	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	that's the link to the webpage where the log of this channel lives	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com there	[23:13]
bitcoingirl	excuse me, I'm obviously not a tech person - more into economic policy	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	not a crime.	[23:14]
Duffer1	diametric i'm using armory	[23:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 337 @ 0.00084743 = 0.2856 BTC [+]	[23:14]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoingirl so what do you know about me ?	[23:14]
bitcoingirl	when you say channel - are you talking about the stats?	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	no, when i say channel i mean exactly that. this space, where we talk, it's the channel. it's name is #bitcoin-assets	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	its name*	[23:15]
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bitcoingirl	ok got it. are you saying john is already going to be at Amsterdam so you don't need another ambassador there?	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	not at all. i say he's already going, and maybe you have a drink. he's not my ambassador, because he's a boy	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	and i have a strict girls-only for ambassador roles policy.	[23:17]
bitcoingirl	sounds sexist	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[23:18]
bitcoingirl	so what do i have to do	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	well he also doesn't have a forbes blog, nor was he invited to the whcd.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	well, you ever represented an industry leader before ?	[23:18]
bitcoingirl	yes, i have a consulting firm in DC where I do this professionally	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	cool. so, what do you know about me ?	[23:19]
bitcoingirl	http://trilema.com < this website which has content i would never associate myself with	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	what's the problem with it ?	[23:21]
Apocalyptic	people aren't ready for trilema yet	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic at least she's honest.	[23:21]
bitcoingirl	anti gay anti women articles	[23:21]
bitcoingirl	plus anti bitcoin foundation content	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	are you merely skimming titles or also read soem stuff ?	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	a, that for sure.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	you will find pretty much all of bitcoin is anti the alleged foundation.	[23:22]
bitcoingirl	not in the US	[23:22]
bitcoingirl	this is business and the foundation is here to stay	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	who told you this ? :)	[23:22]
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mircea_popescu	!up bgupta	[23:24]
assbot	Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.	[23:24]
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Duffer1	c'est la comedie humaine	[23:25]
bitcoingirl	the foundation may have their own issues / challenges, but opposing them is not something I'm interested in getting involved it. not going to lead to anywhere	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	you know the average lifetime of bitcoin things i've opposed historically is somewhere south of one year ?	[23:25]
Duffer1	ignoring/opposing, same dif	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	i'll crush these schmucks too, not a question of whether, a question of when i feel like pushing hard enough.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	china/crimea: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2014&bots=true#544315	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	obviously your own political stands are your own, but the thing that isn't going to lead anywhere is trying to support the walking dead.	[23:27]
bitcoingirl	im not comfortable having this question over an open source	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	aite, let's go private then	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform indeed.	[23:28]
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danielpbarron	this channel rules	[23:34]
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jurov	heh what a suspension...i'd even bet whether mp changes bitcoingirl's stance toward bitcoin foundation	[23:39]
jurov	at least there's interesting trilema post upcoming	[23:40]
kakobrekla	ill bet no	[23:40]
chetty	anti gay? anti woman? anybody know which articles those would be?	[23:40]
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Duffer1	none that i'm aware of, she's probably skimmed the titles	[23:41]
Apocalyptic	ill bet no // about the fact he will change her mind or the post ?	[23:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00328679 = 0.3287 BTC [+]	[23:41]
kakobrekla	the former	[23:42]
fluffypony	kakobrekla: no there won't be one, or no it won't be interesting?	[23:44]
fluffypony	ITT: analyse what kakobrekla REALLY means :-P	[23:44]
fluffypony	o you said former	[23:44]
fluffypony	sadface.	[23:44]
Apocalyptic	dat kako	[23:46]
Apocalyptic	confusing everyone	[23:46]
fluffypony	it's his super-power	[23:47]
fluffypony	mine is IRC-ing drunk	[23:47]
*	assbot gives voice to thestringpuller	[23:48]
thestringpuller	;;ud real human bean	[23:48]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=human%20bean \| A person who is addicted to beans and more specificly jelly beans. ... I'm turning into a human bean - I had 4 packets of jelly beans yesterday. by Eli-bean ...	[23:48]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: human bean	[23:48]
chetty	http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/02/nyc-cyclist-arrested-for-using-cellphone-to-film-cop-told-iphones-are-being-used-as-guns/?onswipe_redirect=no&oswrr=1	[23:49]
ozbot	NYC cyclist arrested for using cellphone to film cop, told iPhones are ‘being used as guns’	[23:49]
chetty	is the cardano coming equiped with special toys?	[23:50]
*	cipi is now known as CiPi	[23:50]
Apocalyptic	told iPhones are ‘being used as guns’ // not sure if serious or...	[23:51]
*	assbot removes voice from bgupta	[23:55]
kakobrekla	yes, photo gun, shoots pictures.	[23:55]
davout	^	[23:56]
chetty	and taking pictures steals your soul ..	[23:57]
*	Luke-Jr (~luke-jr@gateway/tor-sasl/luke-jr) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:58]

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