Forum logs for 04 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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decimation at any rate, I suspect the whole petraeus affair is merely designed to pour encourager les autres while simultaneously dinging a potential political rival [00:04]
* BingoBoingo remembers in early 2012 before scandal Petraeus being floated as a more serious threat to Obola than Congress [00:05]
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BingoBoingo Oh, the Harry Potter thing updated with two new chapters and still isn't over yet. [00:07]
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decimation “There is light in the world, and it is us!" Eliezer Yudkowsky, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality << "We are the ones we've been waiting for" Obama [00:12]
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* BingoBoingo still only on chapter 66 and closing chapters, which ought to be expected as I'm from a town with "auf wiedersehen" on the signs at its borders [00:15]
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trinque decimation: hilarious how close that is to christian rhetoric [00:17]
trinque same heaven on earth myth too [00:17]
trinque just with gadgets [00:17]
decimation trinque: as a Christian I find their statements abhorrent [00:18]
decimation because it asserts a form of 'christianity' without Christ [00:18]
decimation "man is your god, and I am your prophet" [00:19]
trinque right-o, it's a sort of techno-atheist christianity [00:19]
* BingoBoingo is dissapoint in this fanfic/propaganda piece. Halfway through and no fucking? [00:19]
trinque decimation: seems like bitcoin has attracted a lot of christians, not that I mind. I'm curious why that is, if so [00:20]
decimation BingoBoingo: what about your woodchipper fetish harry potter? [00:20]
trinque maybe there are more out there than I think [00:20]
BingoBoingo decimation: Had the virtue of being short. At least blood has a lubricant quality all its own. [00:21]
BingoBoingo decimation: And I did not write the woodchipper fanfic. Merely found it searching for tales of awesome machines. [00:22]
decimation trinque: for myself, my interest in bitcoin flows directly from my interest in competent government [00:23]
trinque makes sense [00:24]
decimation I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary [00:26]
danielpbarron decimation, what do you think of this?: Revelation 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[a] the name of the beast, or the number of his name. [00:27]
gabriel_laddel ... [00:28]
trinque danielpbarron: sounds like antibitcoin [00:28]
danielpbarron "no one may buy or sell except one who has ... the number of his name" [00:28]
danielpbarron isn't a private key a number? [00:29]
trinque danielpbarron: heh I could project the beast's key and my key onto that too [00:29]
decimation danielpbarron: revelation is a difficult book. I have no idea what that means [00:29]
trinque danielpbarron: I enjoy thinking of the usgov as the whore, though I've heard people argue thats the catholic church [00:30]
trinque ...supposedly [00:30]
decimation danielpbarron: it is very interesting though [00:31]
danielpbarron i'm not saying GPG and the WoT is the number and the beast necessarily, but the similarity is more striking than most ideas i've heard [00:31]
danielpbarron seems more likely than the idea that carbon credits and rfid chips are the beast and mark [00:32]
decimation hehe [00:32]
trinque danielpbarron: evil does that doesn't it? takes something and twists it just a hair [00:33]
trinque bitcoin plus some kind of address validation scheme plus govt-captured mining [00:33]
trinque sure, it'd be just like that [00:33]
danielpbarron no twist needed [00:33]
danielpbarron Romans 13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have [00:35]
danielpbarron but this could also refer to the serene republic [00:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00037984 = 4.8999 BTC [+] {2} [00:36]
decimation danielpbarron: that was what I was going to bring up next. this text (romans 13) is difficult to put into practice in a universal suffrage democracy [00:37]
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decimation who exactly is to be the object of your submission? the law as written? or as interpreted by bureaucrats? or as voted by your neighbor? [00:37]
danielpbarron the USG is surely wicked in that it enforces laws that are counter to The Bible [00:38]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Could even the good doktor mark such a large keyspace as RSA as his numebers? [00:38]
danielpbarron but if we are to take God at His word, even this wicked government is for good [00:38]
decimation danielpbarron: aye [00:38]
BingoBoingo Anyways, revelations is awfully late to be considered God's word. [00:39]
decimation but that 'goodness' might be delivered through great destruction [00:39]
trinque sounds a lot more like that guy John went on one hell of a psychedelic trip [00:39]
BingoBoingo End of the world stuff would probably be better in Ezekiel with the horse dicks [00:39]
danielpbarron BingoBoingo, interestingly enough consider if someone came along who could factor any number of arbitrary length -- would that not appear to be a miracle? [00:40]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: I'd need to know if they have a time machine or not. [00:40]
danielpbarron such a person could sign a message as any user [00:40]
BingoBoingo Depends on how good their time machine is [00:40]
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trinque danielpbarron: the passivity in romans 13 is the kind of thing I rejected on the way out of the church [00:42]
trinque I could see myself in the past saying "well, if this 'authority' is not godly, they're no real authority" [00:43]
danielpbarron i think it's along the lines of how this world is temporary anyway -- it's like the tower of babel to try to make heaven on earth [00:43]
danielpbarron i mean, USG or b-a in charge either way this all gets destroyed ultimately ; but i think i'd rather have b-a in charge if there is a choice [00:45]
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trinque danielpbarron: ultimately no one's in charge of much [00:47]
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-assbot- You voiced roseebit for 30 minutes. [00:48]
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BingoBoingo danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. Tis the extraordinarily rare prophet of doom who gets to see the doom while living. Jeremiah didn't [00:48]
mircea_popescu roseebit are you in the wot ? [00:48]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I think whoever they are is in the DoS loop [00:48]
mircea_popescu howdja mean ? [00:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: They keep getting voiced, bumped to guest*** and rejoining [00:49]
mircea_popescu oh that yeah [00:49]
adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040396 << are we confusing prime factorization and discrete logarithms? [00:50]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 03:36:26; danielpbarron: such a person could sign a message as any user [00:50]
danielpbarron isn't a private key a composite number with two very large prime numbers? [00:50]
trinque +BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: But there is always the constraint that particular lives are bound by finitude. << my world ends whether "the" world ends or not [00:50]
danielpbarron or rather, relating to such a number [00:50]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Depends on your algorithm. [00:51]
adlai not really, there's just a single prime in bitcoin crypto, and there's no need to factor anything [00:51]
mircea_popescu looking in the logs, apparently alf created a new word nao, "portatronic" [00:51]
mircea_popescu sounds like a great vc toiletry service. [00:51]
danielpbarron i guess i meant GPG specifically [00:52]
adlai ok, so the confusion was on my end :) [00:52]
adlai although not all gpg keys are rsa [00:52]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron in the rsa scheme [00:54]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Even with GPG not everything is RSA. Some people are stupid and use version 2-ish though it lacks backwards compatibility or they use 80's fail crypto which breaks easily. [00:54]
BingoBoingo 70's and 90's RSA is the strong stuff [00:55]
mircea_popescu lol criptoenology [00:56]
BingoBoingo IN the very worst case and RSA fails at least private languages aren't too bad compared to DES, provided the grammar and semantics are unique [00:57]
danielpbarron even though it's still not proven, i'll go out on a limb saying that the ability to factor a number of arbitrary length would have to come from a supernatural source, and such a being could probably break all the alternative methods [00:58]
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nubbins` such a strange place, this [01:00]
BingoBoingo If anyone has a time machine to lend I have all kinds of trans cholonolgical arbitrage opportunities that can enrish you provided you give me exactly one whole minute longer than it takes to start the machine alone with it. [01:00]
trinque hahaha [01:01]
nubbins` ^ me from the future [01:01]
adlai well anyone can factor a number of arbitrary length in arbitrary time... consistently being able to factor arbitrary length numbers in constant time, now that is a 'supernatural' algorithm, relative to current knowledge [01:02]
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trinque paradox police got him [01:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5814 @ 0.00037993 = 2.2089 BTC [+] [01:04]
mircea_popescu this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done. [01:04]
mircea_popescu and i have some practical experience wiht the issue. [01:04]
mircea_popescu anyonw wanna send 50 bux via paypal for me ? [01:05]
* adlai is no longer a pay pal >:( [01:06]
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danielpbarron mircea_popescu, i can do that [01:06]
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mircea_popescu i remember a time, maybe 10 or so years ago, when having a paypal was like, a point of pride. [01:07]
adlai >:( expresses annoyance, not shame (or lack of pride) [01:09]
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adlai ;;ticker --market all [01:10]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 276.71, vol: 18996.35978116 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 274.711, vol: 18812.28951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 279.58, vol: 84375.6220414 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 278.13706, vol: 152561.77060000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 276.31875, vol: 22.90894774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 280.367, vol: 178.00907986 | Volume-weighted last average: 278.248147885 [01:10]
adlai chicken coming down to roost [01:10]
mircea_popescu where is that valkirie [01:10]
danielpbarron lol paypal nags me every time i log in now about how i haven't given them enough KYC but they let me send money regardless [01:10]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AlEvy0fJto [01:11]
assbot Richard Wagner - The ride of the Valkyries from "Die Walküre" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJS1rJ ) [01:11]
* adlai needs to try this as coding music [01:11]
mircea_popescu totally. [01:12]
adlai got good mileage out of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhT0g9jULpw but can't get too locked to one genre [01:13]
assbot Metallica - Ride The Lightning - Full Album (HD 720p) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJSQ3B ) [01:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the notion of a "deprecated symbol" boggles my mind., [01:13]
mircea_popescu can you explain wtf it's supposed to be even ? [01:13]
decimation adlai: recently i've become a fan of arvo pärt (yes, via moldbug) [01:14]
adlai also tatran [01:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1040051 << this is exactly correct. obscure fucking sides of an obscure place in an fucking thing (linux) [01:15]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 22:23:41; ascii_field: every time i do this, i get the distinct feeling that i'm the only living thing other than the package maintainer/developer who tried to build it [01:15]
mircea_popescu obscuritas in tenebrae. [01:15]
adlai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNudxZEIfqU [01:15]
assbot TATRAN - WW III (Album Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zUGKFo ) [01:15]
BingoBoingo this "private language" thing is a lot easier said than done. << Is any truly dark art otherwise? When you surrender the truth of mathematics to language? [01:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: wtf it's supposed to be << it's precisely what it looks like to the unarmed eye: a perfectly good symbol that a shitgnome whose arsehole pines for the stake decided to zap to boost his feeling of relevance and be '1337 contributor' [01:17]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: obscure fucking sides of an obscure place << widely used gizmo. but apparently everybody but me just takes the binary [01:18]
decimation asciilifeform: how can you 'do' package management without keeping track of the symbols [01:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform overheard right now "o yeah ? well the gentoo manual was down for likle... 3 days. i don't think this is a good sign" [01:18]
adlai fwiw, 'private language' has served organisms rather well for countless generations, we've only been toying with information hiding for an instant in comparison [01:19]
asciilifeform decimation: subject of thread was yet another case of gizmo that won't build on account of 'obsolete' things having been removed from something [01:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform your idea of widely differs from nature. [01:20]
mircea_popescu what's widely, 50 actual usecases which all depend on the same three contractors ? [01:20]
decimation asciilifeform: yes but didn't you once say that package management can only be properly done at the language level? [01:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neh those use proprietary adas [01:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the 'widely' is mostly uni students [01:20]
asciilifeform decimation: aha [01:20]
asciilifeform decimation: but i didn't create the universe in question, nobody asked me [01:20]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2015#1012685 [01:20]
assbot Logged on 08-02-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: trying to explain that it is quit impossible to have a package management system above the language level that is not dumbed down by support for braindamaged languages. [01:20]
asciilifeform aha [01:21]
asciilifeform decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. [01:21]
adlai asciilifeform: any particular reason for your love of ada, specifically? [01:21]
asciilifeform (yes, let's call things by their true names - sabotage) [01:21]
asciilifeform adlai: i'd love to learn of a substitute for ada [01:21]
decimation asciilifeform: well, this is a general problem in C programming - the failure to provide a global namespace [01:21]
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decimation "no, I want the writef() that does the stuff, not the writef() that displays singing monkeys" [01:22]
asciilifeform that is, a hard-standardized (iso preferred) prog. lang. with safe types and deterministic memory usage, that has extant compiler back-ends for all major cpu architectures [01:22]
asciilifeform and is happy with, e.g., 64k of total machine ram [01:22]
asciilifeform ^ ocaml, say, is right out [01:23]
asciilifeform ditto erlang [01:23]
asciilifeform ada's the only game in town for this not-uncommon set of constraints [01:23]
decimation asciilifeform: also it's probably never going to attract hipsters [01:23]
asciilifeform in much the same way that mpex is the only game in town in its field [01:23]
asciilifeform i don't give a flying fuck either way about the hipsters [01:24]
BingoBoingo decimation: but in this case the package manager is not at fault. someone deliberately sabotaged a library. << So on OpenBSD I'm nt finding an Ada port or package that works with sufficient frequency to make it too the tree. Looking like the turdswitch may have been flipped in GCC [01:24]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: there's a set of ports for 'dragonfly bsd' [01:24]
asciilifeform which ought to work on others [01:24]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Dragonfly ports are mostly loose FreeBSD ports with little guarentee of working. There are older Ada and the visual Ada IDE ports for OpenBSD, but... it seems fuckers would on the whole rather test "go" [01:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if gcc works, so will ada, enable it when configuring gcc [01:26]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you insist on the ada foundation's bleeding edge thing - that's another matter that i can't help with [01:26]
mircea_popescu !up roseebit [01:26]
-assbot- You voiced roseebit for 30 minutes. [01:26]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah, "uni studends" right. "use" mhm kay. [01:27]
* BingoBoingo is working on the pressing problem of testing other possible bitcoind/qts atm [01:27]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So far been searchin for 95 compatible gnat and IDE safety net [01:27]
asciilifeform http://www.gentoo.org/security/en/glsa/glsa-201502-15.xml << speaking of gentoo... [01:28]
assbot Gentoo Linux Documentation [01:28]
* adlai stumbles upon https://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/impl/alsp/0.html [01:28]
asciilifeform ^ you don't have to use winblows to be pwned using winblows pwnhole [01:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DJYVgv ) [01:28]
adlai Version: 1.0 (17-MAR-86) [01:28]
asciilifeform ^ don't keep windblows box in the house. then no need for 'samba' and the associated idiocies [01:28]
adlai iirc that's before 0.5.3 [01:28]
mircea_popescu what is samba again ? [01:29]
adlai windows filesharing [01:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Windows NFS substitute [01:29]
decimation mircea_popescu: it's an implementation of cifs, which is the standard windows network filesystem [01:29]
mircea_popescu "Samba is a suite of SMB and CIFS client/server programs." szus nothing to me [01:29]
mircea_popescu oh oh [01:29]
asciilifeform adlai: interestingly, symbolics lisp mach. had full datastructure interoperability between zetalisp, common lisp, fortran, ada, - even c. [01:29]
adlai "had"? i thought there was at least one working lispm in the republic! [01:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1040172 << but srsly, you watching its uptime ? [01:30]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 23:59:18; PeterL: sorry, cazalla [01:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17346 @ 0.00038114 = 6.6113 BTC [+] {2} [01:30]
asciilifeform adlai: haven't switched it on in a good long while. [01:30]
decimation asciilifeform: re: software that kills < http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1319903 < the toyota thing was discussed here in the past [01:31]
assbot Toyota Case: Single Bit Flip That Killed | EE Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GibvJH ) [01:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26954 @ 0.00038246 = 10.3088 BTC [+] [01:31]
* BingoBoingo confesses running to OpenBSD instead of Gentoo not because of knowledge, but from a lack of knowledge. Still determine personal minimal set of installed software. No confident enough to make best choices on a whole workstation (as opposed to appliance) stack. [01:31]
asciilifeform speaking of the ada foundation, i randomly tested their mac port ( http://mirrors.cdn.adacore.com/art/ee55f5eb79cb118552c03fc83fa2d5c1580f5353 ) and it only segfaults. [01:31]
asciilifeform as in, every single one of the executables. [01:31]
asciilifeform does -anybody- test this crap ? [01:31]
mircea_popescu dude that shadbase.com thing... [01:32]
decimation asciilifeform: I spent a few days trying to get ada working on osx 10.9, gave up [01:32]
mircea_popescu wtf is it, someone's lcd trip ? [01:32]
asciilifeform decimation: use gcc's. [01:32]
decimation macports has a 'port' of gcc-gnat , but it requires an existing ada compiler to build [01:32]
adlai lcd trip = lsd + advertisements? [01:32]
asciilifeform decimation: comes with one, typically [01:32]
decimation it swore that it didn't [01:33]
decimation I don't understand why [01:33]
asciilifeform i suppose that was only on real computer [01:33]
mircea_popescu adlai lol [01:33]
gabriel_laddel lcd trip? [01:34]
mircea_popescu it's a joke! [01:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040184 << obviously, their ada wasn't tested. [01:34]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 01:03:49; pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_INR8ZXIAIIs2q.jpg << lulzy shot of coinbase orderbook, allegedly from earlier today, showing an order for *negative* bitcoin [01:34]
gabriel_laddel haha... [01:34]
decimation asciilifeform: macports suggested four alternatives, none of which were available or worked [01:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00037921 = 5.0435 BTC [-] [01:34]
adlai asciilifeform: what's the lispm good for these days? i'm intrigued by them but (as you yourself have said) software sim is much more practical these days [01:34]
BingoBoingo One of these days, would love to use as main online computter http://webspace.webring.com/people/a7/717171/Blacky.html [01:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK1krB ) [01:35]
asciilifeform adlai: for satisfying curiosity about what it actually felt like in the period [01:35]
asciilifeform adlai: for just about everything else, the emulator [01:35]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040208 << it's only like the... 5th or so to falsely claim firstness on that score. [01:35]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 01:10:36; pete_dushenski: at the time it seemed like a basement operation [01:35]
asciilifeform adlai: though if you want a '100% authentic' experience with the emulator, you'll need a symbolics keyboard and an adapter [01:35]
mircea_popescu but hey, bitcoin ragazine material. [01:35]
asciilifeform (not available commercially. i reversed the keyboard, then some german fella made adapter) [01:36]
asciilifeform not even sure if he used my schematic or not [01:36]
asciilifeform don't much care today [01:36]
adlai you used a regular keyboard with the lispm? [01:36]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040212 << iirc this exists, since about 2011. davout's thing. [01:36]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 01:11:52; Pierre_Rochard: ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking [01:36]
asciilifeform adlai: no. reverse [01:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: There were people inquiring about qntra submisisons on the firstness of that, but when pressed to source... saw necessary hedges unnews'd it [01:36]
adlai or the symbolics keyboard with the emulator? [01:36]
asciilifeform lispm keyboard with pc [01:36]
adlai ok [01:36]
BingoBoingo adlai: Why can't scalpl beat http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/ [01:37]
assbot Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK2bIF ) [01:37]
asciilifeform adlai: http://www.asciilifeform.com/images/3.png [01:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK2nYt ) [01:38]
adlai BingoBoingo: "why did the dinosaur cross the road? because the chicken hadn't yet evolved" [01:38]
asciilifeform adlai: of what? of http://www.asciilifeform.com/bolix/bolix.png [01:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK2uDh ) [01:38]
asciilifeform there was another, later white kbd, which i have, with entirely different internals - but protocol-compatible with the old scanned-matrix one pictured here [01:39]
BingoBoingo adlai: If I had knowledge to author regex, I'd have a refutation... [01:39]
adlai no, you'd have two problems [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00037649 = 11.8594 BTC [-] [01:39]
adlai regex authorship is a treacherous knowledge [01:40]
asciilifeform lispm gives an interesting feeling straight away - of computer that cost what a business airplane cost, and intended to maximize the thinking power of an economically-important thinking person [01:40]
asciilifeform for instance, the console was really a powerful computer in its own right (contained video rendered and sound card) and could be separated from the (very loud!) machine by, iirc, 200 metres! [01:41]
asciilifeform a multiaxial shielded cable was included for this purpose [01:41]
asciilifeform we -still!!!!- don't have this with x86 pc! [01:41]
BingoBoingo adlai: A number of technologies produce by a factor of ten more probems than they solve, why would regex be so bad. Not like it is python... [01:41]
asciilifeform i listen to fucking fans all day long [01:41]
asciilifeform because we don't have this. [01:41]
mircea_popescu haha fawks was evil. [01:41]
BingoBoingo haha fawks was evil. << The phoenix, no. Chaotic neutral [01:42]
mircea_popescu i mean evil as in, wicked. [01:42]
gabriel_laddel interestingly, the common lisp standard doesn't contain regular expressions. Why? Because they're unnecessary when you don't ever have to parse input. [01:42]
asciilifeform ^ [01:42]
asciilifeform see also naggum [01:42]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040220 << beria is the better comparison point. [01:43]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 01:16:52; asciilifeform: hruschev was a whole gensec and what did that get him after retirement. [01:43]
BingoBoingo Amazingly sbcl, no problem on OpenBSD. Any Ada at all, huge fucking pain. [01:43]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:43]
adlai does it thread? [01:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: tried the one built into gcc yet? [01:43]
asciilifeform adlai: sbcl, iirc, threads everywhere at this point [01:44]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel you stil lthink 18mn units sold means something ? [01:44]
asciilifeform if asking about ada, the standard requires platform-independent 100% usable threading [01:44]
asciilifeform in fact, it requires program to behave in exactly the same way on any platform, if using only what is contained in the standard [01:44]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: with respect to the claim that console gaming is 'dead' - yes. [01:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Haven't got response to it yet, lack time for my Micheal J Fox hands. adlai Even bitcoin-qt threads beautifully here [01:44]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040238 << it's never the case that you can find one of these "things that be" (as per http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-03-2015#1038150 ) that doesn't have a mole ready to go wherever. [01:45]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 01:26:15; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK. [01:45]
assbot Logged on 01-03-2015 20:35:08; mircea_popescu: but seriously, wikipedia is returned because "fact:wikipedia is what we promote" rather than any "algorithmics" [01:45]
mircea_popescu it's kind-of like looking for a soviet army unit without a political comissar. [01:45]
adlai http://www.sbcl.org/platform-table.html < pogobsd seems unsupported [01:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK4XxI ) [01:45]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel "dead" in the sense of, "not what gaming is" [01:45]
mircea_popescu they had a chance at making games = consoles, prior to 94 [01:45]
asciilifeform adlai: who the fuck needs regex when you have set-macro-character ( http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_set_ma.htm ) and brain [01:46]
gabriel_laddel adlai: https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=comp.lang.lisp/XpvUwF2xKbk/Xz4Mww0ZwLIJ [01:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK5aAM ) [01:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK5aRr ) [01:46]
mircea_popescu apple came a lot closer to making phones = iphone [01:46]
mircea_popescu ultimately also failed. it's a hard fcking thing. [01:46]
mircea_popescu but ibm did succeed, making computers = their micros. [01:46]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I watched citizenfour at my drunk and most socially aware BAC. They talked about the shortlived Snowden2.0 in Russia. His opsec failure was making any contact with Greenhole. [01:47]
adlai asciilifeform: who the fuck needs lispworks when you have http://l1sp.org/search?q=s-m-c [01:47]
assbot s-m-c - l1sp.org search ... ( http://bit.ly/1DK5GyT ) [01:47]
asciilifeform adlai: it seems to link right back to lispworkd [01:47]
asciilifeform s [01:47]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: kk. [01:48]
adlai well yes, but shorter and clearer what you're sinking to, cf http://l1sp.org/cl/3.1.2.1.2.3 [01:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GidMEQ ) [01:48]
mircea_popescu gabriel_laddel so yeah, not dead dead. "dead". [01:48]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, "xerox" is still how you say copier machine / to copy paper by machine in most of the world. [01:49]
adlai gabriel_laddel: c.l.l... [01:49]
gabriel_laddel adlai: ? [01:49]
gabriel_laddel adlai: I was linking you to it b/c you asked why one might want a lispm [01:49]
gabriel_laddel adlai: apparently the text editor rocks [01:49]
gabriel_laddel Which is unsurprising. [01:49]
asciilifeform adlai: 3.1.2.1.2.3 is clearer than f_set_ma ?!?! on what planet, wtf [01:50]
* BingoBoingo amazed building python2.7.8 from ports much less pain than building sbcl whatever the available was. [01:50]
mircea_popescu it occurs to me you're all very drunk. [01:50]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But on what? (easier to answer for what I am drunk on than the others) [01:50]
adlai for values of EtOH approaching Δ9-THC [01:50]
BingoBoingo You Jews and your herbs [01:51]
BingoBoingo Moses set a bad example [01:51]
adlai gabriel_laddel: i'm reading, thank you. asciilifeform dunno, i recognize many sections by number [01:51]
decimation asciilifeform: regex does seem to be a kind of 'hair shirt' that is proudly worn by modern programmers [01:51]
asciilifeform adlai: lol, i do also, but the other folks here ?! [01:51]
asciilifeform doubt it [01:52]
adlai ;;isup l1sp.org/mop [01:54]
gribble l1sp.org/mop is up [01:54]
adlai lies [01:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040271 << tbh, i suspect there are fundamental problems that prevent functional implementations of this segregation in functional currencies. you're essentially stuck choosing : either fiat currency and imaginary "segregation" (of definitionally worthless "money") or else strong currency and no segregation. [01:54]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 01:47:14; Pierre_Rochard: decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation) [01:54]
mircea_popescu the correct solution probably is to simply put someone in charge, and have them answer with their head. [01:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00038039 = 24.1928 BTC [+] {2} [01:55]
adlai you people seen tlsnotary yet? [01:55]
mircea_popescu which will make large banking concerns impossible, but perhaps to no detriment. [01:55]
decimation BingoBoingo: one thing snowden is his brazen equivocation between domestic and foreign espionage [01:55]
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mircea_popescu decimation missing a verb ? [01:55]
decimation ah sorry, ^ one thing that bothers me about snowden [01:56]
gabriel_laddel adlai: No, but looking at the website.... why do you mention it? [01:56]
mircea_popescu can you explain the difference ? [01:56]
adlai tlsnotary lets you turn any bank with functional online services into the fiat side of a wot-based exchange [01:57]
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asciilifeform in other nyooz, today at $censored_firm we were suddenly excited to learn that a very, very costly $censored_guild_professional will accept a document via 'pgp'... only to learn that he was speaking of a 100%-proprietary turdware [01:57]
adlai tlsnotary [purports to let you]*, (but they seem to know what they're doing, as far as i can tell) [01:57]
asciilifeform that won't touch normal pgp keys, and requires centrally-blessed 'certs' [01:57]
BingoBoingo decimation: Snowden is still you enough for an Anerican to be angry about his circumstances of origin. Provided the documentary interviews actually involved him he seemed personally slighted that his HK room hotel phone listened. [01:57]
adlai gabriel_laddel: i was just trying to show off more l1sp.org features [01:58]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Aha they took reop as is... Even with the part where it only exists as a "go" turd [01:59]
decimation BingoBoingo: snowden seems to be 5% 'whistleblower' and 95% 'media sensation' [01:59]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nope. ssl-based crap [01:59]
adlai asciilifeform: the convenience of pgp with all the trustlessness of ssl! [01:59]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: by $american_megacorp [01:59]
asciilifeform very similar to what's used in usg dod [01:59]
mircea_popescu adlai lmao exactly. [02:00]
asciilifeform anyway, you lot missed the only remarkable fact about this tale [02:00]
BingoBoingo decimation: Media sensation part seem sto mostly have been an asbestos jacket. He seems, if film was honest to know it was a life shortening ploy, but less so than what manning did. [02:00]
asciilifeform that the fella actually thought he was 'using pgp' [02:00]
asciilifeform i.e., that this is what pgp is [02:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why do you think the idiocy of a bureaucrat is remarkable to any degree ? [02:00]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: S.Mime [02:00]
adlai http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2014-September/022803.html < tlsnotary overview by the author, conveys details better than a tl;dr [02:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKbcRZ ) [02:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not a bureaucrat [02:00]
mircea_popescu he thinks his life is a life, and his woman a woman, and so on and so forth [02:00]
mircea_popescu orly ? [02:00]
* adlai guesses that $censored_guild has set the bar rather low... [02:02]
decimation ultimately, snowden's downfall is that he's a libertard, and that by 'creating a conversation' or 'raising awareness' he can accomplishing anything is a fallacy [02:02]
asciilifeform adlai: apparently. [02:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe have one of the more socially perceptive girls screen the citizenfour thing to see if it is worthy of your eyes. Nothing about it suggest weakening opsec in the slightest. Just do they get the same Greenwald was the snitch vibe that I did. [02:02]
mircea_popescu decimation a lot has been accomplished however. [02:02]
* adlai mourns the pun's sad lonely death [02:03]
decimation mircea_popescu: satans invisible world revealed? [02:03]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: WOuld explain alot about Omi*'s reported media empire failure method [02:03]
mircea_popescu decimation nope. understand : when usg wants to impress me it's stuck prosecuting derps like shrem. [02:04]
decimation BingoBoingo: it's pretty obvious that snowden got 'help' from somebody [02:04]
mircea_popescu when i want to impress it i need but point to that. [02:04]
mircea_popescu score is about 1000:1 so far. [02:04]
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mircea_popescu just for this reason. [02:04]
mircea_popescu puts every single usg drone in a very uncomfortable position. [02:04]
asciilifeform greenwald is the same animal as every other creature who 1) had a copy of The Goods + 2) sat and continues to sit on it [02:04]
asciilifeform + 3) throws out censored gibblets [02:05]
BingoBoingo decimation: May also be infered from film that he prolly fucked the Poitras chick to here positive reception [02:05]
adlai the state of "digital signatures" in the fiat world is quite sad... if anybody wants a sad laugh, https://boards.greenhouse.io/hellosign/jobs/5726 [02:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform meta-people, basically. unable to act because stuck pondering implications as a passtime. [02:05]
assbot Job Application for API Evangelist at HelloSign ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKd0dZ ) [02:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: much too charitable a reading [02:05]
asciilifeform i see them as fellating usg actively, plain and simple [02:05]
mircea_popescu adlai all this "evangelist" bs. they should just hire linda for an evening's outcall and stfu already. [02:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the two aren't distinct. [02:05]
decimation asciilifeform: they would see themselves as reformers [02:05]
mircea_popescu the usg essentially consists of this : "instead of doing anything, why not sit on your ass and ruminate the future ?" [02:06]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc greenwald doesn't go chicks [02:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: schwartz summed it up as 'More Studies Needed! (tm)' [02:06]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No greenwald loves the cock. Talking likely Snowden Poitras affair [02:06]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i muchly doubt anyone ever fucked the poitras chick. [02:06]
asciilifeform why not ? [02:07]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But you haven't even heard the loving narration. [02:07]
mircea_popescu she has that vibe. the female equivalent of the male creep. [02:07]
asciilifeform to borrow dan mocsny's device, 'like the ruins of a great city, you can tell the woman was once beautiful - but you wouldn't want to move into parthenon' [02:07]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Thar she does, but snowden was compelled to "prison rules" [02:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform more studies needed, this is the controversy, progress and change, all sortsa gunk. [02:07]
decimation http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-assange-wikileaks-and-russia-2013-8?op=1 [02:08]
assbot Snowden, Assange, WikiLeaks, and Russia - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1GigUAw ) [02:08]
gabriel_laddel Germane to the discussion of "humanity sucks", http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/crap.htm [02:08]
assbot STURGEON WAS AN OPTIMIST ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gih0bx ) [02:08]
BingoBoingo Snowden2 though contacted the wrong one of the set of journalists first and was quieted. [02:08]
asciilifeform !b 1 [02:09]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040339 << this much is true. [02:09]
BingoBoingo Film was ambiguous, but leaned towards greenwald having been contacted first. [02:09]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 03:00:58; *: BingoBoingo remembers in early 2012 before scandal Petraeus being floated as a more serious threat to Obola than Congress [02:09]
decimation BingoBoingo: you mean wikileaks? [02:09]
adlai or one from the wrong set from the set of sets of journalists [02:09]
* adlai recalls some mention of poitras being contacted first, but read this in an interview with her and only her [02:10]
BingoBoingo decimation: I mean Petraeus was on track to be the next two term president following Obola based on his opposition to Obola which would have followed both without consequence [02:10]
decimation snowden might have contacted wikileaks acting as a foil for the russian security services [02:11]
* adlai wonders how much longer the business model of leak-digestion will survive, before leakers just... leak [02:11]
decimation at any rate, I don't think poitras or greenwald have enough of a clue to move a person of interest across borders [02:11]
BingoBoingo adlai: Snowden successfully contacted Poitras first. More than a year after attempting Greenwald the frist time. Not sure, but second snowden seemed to contact Greenwald while snowden1 in Moscow. Disappeared. [02:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040355 << you shall know a lizzard always and everywhere by this sign, that being a reptile has no grasp or appreciation for mammal reproduction. [02:12]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 03:15:38; *: BingoBoingo is dissapoint in this fanfic/propaganda piece. Halfway through and no fucking? [02:12]
mircea_popescu they lay fucking eggs. [02:12]
asciilifeform !b 3 [02:12]
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adlai but this is not even his final form! beware platypus-hitler [02:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040363 << wait so you're against interest ?! [02:13]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 03:22:22; decimation: I also think the fiat machine that enables mass theft from everyone's savings is a form of usary [02:13]
adlai BingoBoingo: i've lost track of the snowden's of yesteryear [02:13]
mircea_popescu the us fed is just about ready to implement the ancient christian venice. [02:13]
decimation mircea_popescu: the meating of usary has changed over the ages [02:13]
mircea_popescu so what do you mean ? [02:14]
mircea_popescu (and it's usury) [02:14]
BingoBoingo adlai: You are kinda in the USian ideology testlab. sounds dangerous [02:14]
adlai usary! [02:14]
decimation 'theft of money lent' [02:14]
mircea_popescu as in, defalcation ? [02:14]
decimation heh I suppose so [02:14]
decimation perhaps 'theft' is more appropriate [02:14]
adlai BingoBoingo: ...? [02:14]
* adlai isn't sure whether BingoBoingo is talking about geopolitics, ideology, or some mix of them; and to what degree trolling/mockery is distinguishable from his own actual opinions/beliefs [02:15]
BingoBoingo adlai: Modern Israel is nothing more or less than the average middle west resident imagines gryffindor to be [02:15]
mircea_popescu the common law has some categories. there's robbery, with violence. there's theft, without violence but with the knowledge of the victim. there's fraud, without the initial knowledge of the victim. there's embezzelment, where the victim isn't a person per se. and there's defalcation, which is merely negligent or reckless, rather than intentional. [02:15]
BingoBoingo adlai: Maybe the point is you can't know. [02:16]
decimation it's hard to say, because who can divine the intent of usg? [02:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040368 << everything's a number, in the sense of , ennumerable. [02:16]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 03:25:17; danielpbarron: isn't a private key a number? [02:16]
adlai slightly related, friend who worked one of those shit-selling carts in a canadian mall, hocking 'Dead Sea' products, got asked by a straight-faced mark: "isn't that where captain jack sparrow was from?" [02:16]
* BingoBoingo working on that since I can't code for shit [02:17]
BingoBoingo slightly related, friend who worked one of those shit-selling carts in a canadian mall, hocking 'Dead Sea' products, got asked by a straight-faced mark: "isn't that where captain jack sparrow was from?" << At our local malls those were all hookers at the carts [02:17]
adlai mircea_popescu: it gets better when you realize that even everypair's a number [02:17]
mircea_popescu adlai who ? [02:18]
adlai eg, "compressed ECDSA key" is pretty much the same general idea as the proof that there are 'as many' rational numbers as integers [02:18]
mircea_popescu there's a lot of space in that pretty much. [02:19]
adlai uncompressed ECDSA key = (x,y) on the curve; compressed = a single number that can have the coordinates extracted from it, because the lines described by the range of compressed keys each intersect the [top half of the] curve at one point [02:19]
BingoBoingo Are we sure the fanfic propaganda guy isn't a teen girl "As it turned out, nobody had worked out that her challenging Neville to a Most Ancient Duel meant that she liked him. She'd thought it would be obvious but no, nobody else had even thought of that apparently." [02:20]
mircea_popescu lmai [02:21]
asciilifeform concat (int a, int b) -> int n [02:21]
asciilifeform ^ proof [02:21]
mircea_popescu why are all these derps so adolescent ? [02:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so 22/3 = 2/23 ? [02:21]
mircea_popescu why not f(a,b) = 1 then [02:21]
adlai concatenation doesn't work, you need to interleave [02:22]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Actual line from text you though worthy of offering a solution to: "Currently she was being referred to as the Sparkly Unicorn Princess of the Noble and Most Ancient House of Sparklypoo." [02:22]
adlai (or use funky encodings) [02:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: just proving membership in ring! [02:22]
mircea_popescu cast down the heretic adlai, he means to leaven our numbers! [02:22]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not equality [02:22]
* adlai is still trying to get over the amazement that there's the 'same number' of rationals and complexes [02:23]
mircea_popescu not so. [02:23]
mircea_popescu only if your definition of complexes is based on rational parameters. [02:23]
mircea_popescu 1+ei is not in that set. [02:23]
BingoBoingo ^ [02:23]
adlai ok ok ok [02:23]
mircea_popescu true that this is the pedestrrian definition given in school [02:24]
BingoBoingo Aleph as many subs [02:24]
mircea_popescu a fine example of "teachning kids math = making kids unable to understand math" [02:24]
mircea_popescu and ima link http://trilema.com/2014/its-not-the-sauce-its-the-poultry-and-other-metamathematical-considerations/ here because it's muy related. [02:24]
assbot It's not the sauce, it's the poultry and other metamathematical considerations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DKl6TD ) [02:24]
* adlai hasn't seen mention of transrationals yet in the thread, just thinking of dimension changes [02:24]
asciilifeform 'The darwin x86_64 gnat crashes with "illegal instruction: 4" on my macbook pro / OS X 10.7.5 :-(Edit: I upgraded to OS X 10.8.3. Now gnat works...' -- from a forum comment. shitgnomism. [02:25]
asciilifeform and fuck, i blew a benjie on chinese aftermarket ssd made just for that box, so it would hold this thing [02:25]
asciilifeform was to be the ada-in-bed machine [02:25]
asciilifeform (box in question has proprietary disk controller that won't take standard drives) [02:26]
asciilifeform every time i pick it up from shelf, thinking of using it for something... [02:26]
asciilifeform this. [02:26]
BingoBoingo * adlai hasn't seen mention of transrationals yet in the thread, just thinking of dimension changes << Aleph progresses in cardenality up through ALeph sub aleph [02:27]
asciilifeform me to colleague: 'mac has to be good for... something?' him: 'take it to the range, it'll make good target' [02:28]
* adlai is still in א₀ [02:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you know, people have been trained to believe in this "upgrade and everything's gonna be better" mantra. [02:29]
mircea_popescu worst fucking idea ever. but it's so much like "progress", and "what the consumers should come to expect" [02:29]
adlai (not yet convinced that real numbers 'exist' outside of theory and approximations) [02:29]
BingoBoingo me to colleague: 'mac has to be good for... something?' him: 'take it to the range, it'll make good target' << 9" model and .22 LR makes a nice pop when phosphors are too faded [02:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's the direct effect of shitgnomism where 'the doctor healed the patient's ear, but did poke out an eye, i fear' [02:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wrong mac [02:30]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that one doesn't deserve it [02:30]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Everything later is just NeXT abotus [02:30]
BingoBoingo *abortus [02:31]
BingoBoingo Born of the same reasoning that leads one to jack off inside a pussy in a .gif [02:31]
BingoBoingo But still eventually CRT phosphors become worn and mercy needs to be applied [02:32]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i've a massive 'sun' trinitron here that 'needs mercy' [02:33]
BingoBoingo The lead on glass on lead pop is a satisfying noise [02:33]
decimation asciilifeform: the devilish thing about apple 'upgrades' is that the old versions no longer exist [02:33]
decimation try 'upgrading' a 10.6 mac to 10.7 and not 10.8, for instance [02:33]
asciilifeform decimation: exists as much as you want. l33t w4r3z [02:34]
decimation asciilifeform: aye [02:34]
trinque decimation: not that I run OS X, but I think that justifies torrenting anything prior [02:34]
asciilifeform decimation: problem is that the later turds won't run on that box [02:34]
asciilifeform they EOLed a '09 box, yes [02:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Are there any open spaces? the cheapest .22 LR rounds tend to be more satisfying. If you have a camera that can capture slow motion, especially avoid the copper plate ones [02:34]
asciilifeform i shit thee not [02:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: nearest 'open' space in your customary sense is many hours away. [02:35]
BingoBoingo decimation: Mac OS versions ended at 7.x [02:35]
asciilifeform and has a 'tresspassers will be shot again' sign, most certainly. [02:35]
decimation asciilifeform: yes, I have a couple of early intel macbooks that have been abandoned [02:35]
adlai survivors* [02:35]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Weird. Five minutes walk from here is a zone where absolute lawlessness is permitted [02:36]
decimation they run 10.6.8, and will forever I guess [02:36]
asciilifeform decimation: aha. this one does. [02:36]
decimation even macports is failing to keep updates going, because they were 32-bit [02:36]
* adlai feels that survivors of https://www.bitfinex.com/account/api are likely to be shot again, by their own trigger [02:36]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Giljnh ) [02:36]
decimation I did manage to hack the efi bootloader into 'dual booting' gentoo once [02:37]
decimation but it was pointless because of the driver brokenness [02:37]
asciilifeform decimation: a box without 100% working suspend-to-ram is worthless to me [02:37]
asciilifeform decimation: if BingoBoingo lived here i'd give it to him to shoot. [02:37]
adlai random retardation of the day: trade history has no indication of whether an action took place on margin or was an asset exchange [02:37]
asciilifeform decimation: hence total lack of interest in attempting to put a civilized unixlike on these [02:37]
decimation yeah. it's a lost cause [02:37]
decimation it would be more 'comfortable' to use one of those tadpole laptops [02:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Honestly I'd prolly try to save it if I made it. Hard to find anything with built in 13w3 [02:38]
asciilifeform i've ran across folks who claim to have done it - but on close examination, it always turns out that they're living with some 'small' imperfection that i find utterly intolerable [02:38]
asciilifeform (e.g. the suspend mode thing) [02:38]
adlai s2ram is just a fancy way of saying "leave the dustoff at the bureau, all you need is quick hands and an evidence bag" [02:39]
decimation yeah the suspend mode thing is really annoying [02:39]
decimation without it you just have a rather useless desktop [02:39]
asciilifeform adlai: don't process 'interesting' bits on a proprietary crudware box [02:39]
BingoBoingo decimation: If you get the chance A/Ux is a pretty fun unix [02:39]
decimation eh, I rather have one of asciii's genera boxen [02:40]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo has said this in the past, and it boggles my mind - what posixy gadget of any interest whatsoever builds on a/ux ? [02:40]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: My fascination stems from it being the first vagually *nixy thing I encountered. [02:40]
asciilifeform ah [02:40]
asciilifeform i suppose this is how folks end up with 'shoe fetish' etc [02:41]
* decimation recalls using an ancient hp 'portable' computer running hp/ux as a youth [02:41]
BingoBoingo less than 3 years later I enountered mandrake linux more than 10 years more recent and was disappoint [02:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00037125 = 16.1865 BTC [-] {2} [02:41]
BingoBoingo Now I yearn for Ti-89BSD [02:41]
adlai ah more excellent kodmuzik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNI-2i6t7Zs [02:42]
assbot The Bad Plus - Seven Minute Mind - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GimfrJ ) [02:42]
adlai though it irks me to no end that the song is not in fact seven minutes long [02:42]
* asciilifeform dreams every day of program-in-bed [02:42]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Prolly. [02:42]
* asciilifeform doesn't expect to actually get to do it, ever [02:42]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: If you did, imagine the warfain you'd need [02:43]
decimation asciilifeform: what about your chorded keyboard device? does that feel comfortable while lying down [02:43]
BingoBoingo *warfarin [02:43]
asciilifeform decimation: no and you can't program with it anyway [02:43]
asciilifeform (assuming you were speaking of 'microwriter') [02:43]
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decimation yeah, but it seems a chorded entry system of some kind would allow you to lay on your back [02:44]
asciilifeform decimation: not even thinking of anything so ambitious [02:44]
BingoBoingo At some point faced with the twin maws of conspiracy and poisons one must choose discomfort of some measure. [02:44]
asciilifeform just an actual computer that can be used other than on a desk [02:44]
* adlai has yet to see a good human-touchscreen api for reading and editing source code... but assuming one existed, a 'tablet' would be quite convenient for bedcode [02:44]
asciilifeform adlai: and a pill that lets you fart 10000N*m would be very convenient for transatlantic flight [02:45]
asciilifeform but same idea. [02:45]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [02:45]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DG3NMA.txt ) [02:45]
* gabriel_laddel is lying on a couch, writing on a laptop computer [02:45]
adlai like the romans ate? [02:45]
adlai that cramps my vestigial wings [02:45]
decimation adlai: try waving your hands around like tom cruise in 'minority report' for about 10 minutes and see how you feel [02:46]
trinque adlai: I've got a sort of AST making circle menu thing in my head [02:46]
trinque have never tried to make it [02:46]
trinque you'd sort of crawl along the grammar [02:46]
gabriel_laddel adlai: nah, lying on my back [02:46]
trinque eventually though you need to type words... [02:46]
asciilifeform trinque: i tried just this [02:46]
adlai decimation: touchscreen ≠ glove-activated vaporware [02:46]
asciilifeform not recommended. [02:46]
trinque asciilifeform: cooler to look at for 5min I'd guess [02:46]
asciilifeform touch screen in the best of times sucks for the same reason as mouse [02:47]
asciilifeform clutters visual cortex & attention span window with what ought to be 100% spinal column work [02:47]
adlai ideally, something where i could hold the device with one hand, and do all tasks with a single finger... you can enter text quite fast using gesture typing, and a program-aware editor can do much much much better than the current keyboards because namespacing greatly narrows the likely lexemes [02:48]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> clutters visual cortex << Wait you trust that api??? [02:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ? [02:49]
* asciilifeform thinks that if BingoBoingo is going to 'don't trust your brain' he needs to share the good dope first [02:49]
decimation http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/DasherSummary2.html [02:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GinBmi ) [02:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That high up on the brain, thing could lie. Gotta trust the lizard brain and little higher [02:50]
decimation ^ above link demonstrates 'alternate text entry' [02:50]
asciilifeform decimation: ew [02:50]
decimation hehe yeah [02:50]
trinque asciilifeform: yeah roughly that but with grammar rules [02:50]
decimation it would be good if you could only move your tongue though [02:50]
trinque it'd probably suck [02:50]
BingoBoingo If the responsible part of the brain touches the skull, my general rule is to doubt it [02:50]
trinque er meant decimation [02:51]
decimation adlai: gesture typing sucks, at least as implemented on 'modern' phones [02:52]
adlai why should you trust an internal part of the brain any more than the grey stuff? it's not like you have [consciously available] stimuli re: what's happening there [02:52]
decimation I liked 'typing' gestures into my palm pilot, but somehow that technology disappeared [02:52]
asciilifeform decimation: i loved that thing [02:52]
asciilifeform decimation: it... worked [02:52]
adlai as i said, gesture typing needs to be boosted with program-awareness [02:52]
decimation yeah, modern gesture 'typepads' suck by comparison [02:52]
asciilifeform and didn't throw glitter garbage in your face [02:52]
asciilifeform ever. [02:52]
decimation asciilifeform: especially considering it had like 1% of the modern smartphone's cpu [02:53]
adlai when your likely input set is an entire language, even a crappy markov chain leaves tons of noise [02:53]
trinque adlai: I worked on a visual programming bullshit thing for a year and a half as a job [02:53]
asciilifeform decimation: precisely -why- [02:53]
trinque really don't think it can be made to do more than toy interfaces for end users [02:53]
decimation adlai: somehow customizing the input 'typepad algorithm' is a 'missing option' on all smart devices [02:53]
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trinque at least without a huge slowdown compared to typing it out [02:54]
trinque for example imagine doing sql joins with a venn diagram [02:54]
trinque say 20 joins [02:54]
trinque :p [02:54]
trinque but it seems like such genius with a single join! [02:54]
BingoBoingo http://www.drunkard.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=36899 [02:54]
assbot Modern Drunkard Forum • View topic - Lizard Brain's taking over ... ( http://bit.ly/1zX5VFq ) [02:54]
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decimation trinque: asciilifeform has explained before why graphical interfaces suck for programming [02:55]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-02-2015#1019353 [02:55]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2015 05:30:33; decimation: https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like to be able to make use of the rather-hefty chunk of my brain that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way that is difficult to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual tasks (the motion of mechanical parts [02:55]
trinque ^ yep [02:55]
asciilifeform ^ soemwhere in there yes [02:56]
trinque language is precisely for this [02:56]
adlai typing [+slime-fuzzy] is likely to remain faster than pretty much any other muscle-based input, just due to evolutionary accident... but the quest here, as i see it, is for a drastically more convenient interface, which sacrifices less than the current ones (which aren't even that convenient) [02:56]
trinque this being describing some set of actions, facts, whatever, for something else to learn and/or carry out [02:56]
trinque adlai: what I'd like to see is the structure of the program in some way [02:56]
trinque use the visual part to traverse, not to write code [02:56]
asciilifeform so far, every alternative i've tried vs qwerty keyboard - simply stinks [02:56]
asciilifeform notice that i didn't end my 'engelbart's violin' article with 'and now i use microwriter' [02:57]
decimation asciilifeform: have you followed the 'movement' to re-create stenotypes? [02:57]
trinque there are types of code mess that at least seem like they'd "look like shit" with the right goggles [02:57]
asciilifeform but with 'i should have been forced to use microwriter since age 3' [02:57]
asciilifeform decimation: fuck stenotypes [02:57]
asciilifeform decimation: confined to natural lang. [02:57]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, I looked into them, but they seem useless for programming [02:57]
decimation aye [02:57]
asciilifeform and what 're-create' [02:58]
asciilifeform they never went anywhere [02:58]
asciilifeform visit a courthouse anywhere in usa [02:58]
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asciilifeform so much stenotype 'can eat them with your arse' [02:58]
decimation the story I got was that those devices are priced at bezzle rates [02:58]
decimation plus the training to use them [02:58]
adlai anybody tried one-handed dvorak? [02:58]
asciilifeform certified guildsmen [02:58]
asciilifeform but if you just want one for no reason - ebay [02:58]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah but try to hook it up to your computer to run emacs :) [02:58]
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asciilifeform decimation: a good many have standard rs232 tty [02:59]
decimation ah well then maybe it's straightforward [02:59]
decimation some folks try to make a 'ghetto steno' using a keyboard [02:59]
decimation but most keyboards cannot handle chorded keypresses [03:00]
asciilifeform decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/mwemu/mwemu.html << go right ahead [03:00]
assbot MwEmu ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gippf9 ) [03:00]
asciilifeform ^ i wrote this for folks who just couldn't help but want [03:00]
decimation hehe [03:00]
adlai being able to fully operate a keyboard-drived ui (stumpwm, emacs) with one hand would be a huge step towards using the laptop conveniently in most any position [03:01]
asciilifeform adlai: what would you use for the machine itself ? [03:01]
asciilifeform adlai: any hobbyist worth his salt can build a keyboard [03:01]
asciilifeform but the computer - we don't have. [03:01]
adlai any vanilla keyboard, mapped to some bastardization of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard#One-handed_versions [03:02]
assbot Dvorak Simplified Keyboard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GipKhO ) [03:02]
asciilifeform why the preoccupation with single hand, anyway? just came back from iran, got chopped ? [03:03]
decimation http://plover.stenoknight.com/2011/10/split-screen-demonstration.html < guy doing 'steno' on a qwerty keyboard [03:03]
assbot Plover, the Open Source Steno Program: Split-Screen Demonstration ... ( http://bit.ly/1GipT4M ) [03:03]
decimation if not single hand, why not single finger? or two? can do with morse [03:04]
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trinque adlai: I've got most of what I do in stump down to a single-handed binding [03:05]
decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_icJLmsFNU < 60 wpm morse 'entry' [03:06]
assbot High Speed Morse Code with an N3ZN Telegraph key by WØAAA - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiqpQg ) [03:06]
BingoBoingo adlai> being able to fully operate a keyboard-drived ui (stumpwm, emacs) with one hand would be a huge step towards using the laptop conveniently in most any position << You'd be surprised what you can do when you surrender to WIMP, your keyboard has a clit, and the ETOH has reduced you to half f a lizard's funtioning brain mass [03:06]
trinque not as happy with stump as I'd hoped [03:06]
asciilifeform decimation: 'glass arm' candidate [03:06]
adlai for one, you'd be able to touchtype 'roman style' ( http://blogs.getty.edu/iris/files/2012/08/reclining_triclinium.jpg ); also, you'd have a hand free for tending to non-computer matters, such as pets or your poison of choice [03:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Giqsvs ) [03:06]
trinque I want an uppermost level concept of task, then several layouts for that task [03:06]
trinque I'm building that now around stump [03:06]
adlai anything public? [03:07]
decimation asciilifeform: nah, he's using a keyer with very small entry force [03:07]
trinque might jack the "tasks" back into helm [03:07]
asciilifeform decimation: even worse [03:07]
decimation if you wanna hurt your hand you use a straight key [03:07]
trinque adlai: neh once I extract the tasks thing from my config maybe [03:07]
asciilifeform decimation: it's the repetitive action that nails you [03:07]
asciilifeform telegraphers were the first to discover [03:07]
decimation asciilifeform: sure, but only if you are doing it with alot of force [03:07]
decimation note he's moving his hand side-to-side [03:07]
trinque adlai: but! it improves daily as stumpwmrc and the repl side by side are a binding [03:07]
adlai trinque: please /join #stumpwm and share if/when you do [03:07]
trinque yeah maybe so [03:08]
decimation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPsgEdmlUf0 < high speed straight key, impressive [03:08]
assbot High speed morse telegraphy using a straight key - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiqP9j ) [03:08]
* adlai has often pondered how to get stumpwm more aware of what the windows are doing, but the ways he imagines doing this involve teaching stumpwm more about the programs than they like to reveal programmatically [03:08]
trinque adlai: I'm just farting around with window titles [03:09]
trinque define-frame-preference [03:09]
trinque and in fact this sucks, since emacs changes it several times after making a new frame and loading shit [03:09]
trinque need to find a good place to call place-existing-windows [03:09]
adlai see why i'm so curious about the lispm :P [03:09]
* BingoBoingo wonders if he is the exception planning his interface not around his most capable moments, but around his least... [03:09]
trinque adlai: man I want one too [03:09]
trinque even if all it does is edit text, check email, and transfer files [03:10]
adlai BingoBoingo: on the contrary, i think of all this as 'stoner-proof productivity' [03:10]
ben_vulpes hear hear [03:10]
trinque adlai: yeah [03:10]
asciilifeform decimation: ru text says 'telegraphy bowl ... 1st stage, 2-4 feb. '07, brest' [03:10]
decimation hehe yeah [03:10]
decimation he was almost certainly east german [03:10]
adlai my goal is to increase transaction costs for distractions, and decrease them for productive activities - and have some reasonably real-time control over the productivity gradient [03:10]
trinque I can be blazed as hell and press one button [03:10]
trinque boom, project is open and arranged [03:10]
decimation my understanding is that in the ru high speed telegraphy is something of a minor sport [03:11]
BingoBoingo adlai: But even if your choice of intoxicant you set a floor for its effect [03:11]
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BingoBoingo !up Asenath [03:11]
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adlai "even if"? [03:11]
asciilifeform decimation: must be a practice run - plug is dangling on the floor [03:11]
decimation aye [03:11]
ben_vulpes adlai: this distraction thing is a human factors problem. [03:11]
ben_vulpes discipline thyself. [03:12]
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* adlai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdbORXEmbnk [03:12]
assbot You rack disciprine - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zX7Mdv ) [03:12]
BingoBoingo adlai: Do you indulge in any aqueous intoxicants which push both your peripheral and centeral nervous system to functional minimums [03:12]
trinque "do you like booze, bro?" [03:13]
trinque lol [03:13]
BingoBoingo trinque: Maybe? [03:13]
* adlai makes no a-priori constraints on intoxicant choices, since supply, demand, and the threat of violence are strict enough already [03:13]
decimation asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9S-NzsUD5w < another contestant apparently at the same competition, except she is using a keyer [03:13]
assbot High Speed Telegraphy Transmission - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zX7WBA ) [03:14]
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asciilifeform decimation: woah [03:14]
decimation yeah that's highly impressive [03:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ^ check out the gurl [03:14]
adlai although i have a 'standing desk', which places a lower limit to the motor control necessary for all computer use [03:15]
decimation she doesn't have anything that is slowing down the propagation along her myelin sheaths :) [03:15]
asciilifeform lol re: the ru-built exam box [03:15]
decimation yeah it is probably providing audible 'beeps' [03:16]
asciilifeform the one in the first min. appears to be a digital decoder [03:16]
decimation typically the way the keyer works is that one side is continuous dashes and the other is continuous dots [03:16]
asciilifeform not mere buzzer [03:16]
decimation asciilifeform: probably the 'keyer' electronics [03:16]
asciilifeform decimation: i know, built one meself as a boy, who hasnt [03:16]
asciilifeform both kinds [03:17]
decimation the fancy ones have alternating dots and dashes when held together [03:17]
adlai this (gurl's skill) is really just a matter of having a good word->twich compiler [03:17]
decimation she might have some kind of 'grading' software [03:17]
asciilifeform every bit as interesting as what a good pianist does [03:17]
mircea_popescu whoa nelly [03:18]
asciilifeform where are the telegraphygurlz in usa!? [03:18]
* mircea_popescu goes back to catching up oin the log for the 3rd time today [03:18]
asciilifeform what even is this place [03:18]
asciilifeform without them [03:18]
decimation asciilifeform: I think ru still uses telegraphy in aircraft [03:18]
asciilifeform decimation: telegraphy is the 'internet of last resort' [03:18]
asciilifeform from now until alpha centauri [03:18]
asciilifeform doesn't get any lower tech while still electric [03:19]
decimation asciilifeform: we don't even have typistgurls in the usa anymore [03:20]
asciilifeform but even in ru they bowed out and gave agents portable tape-punchies [03:20]
adlai develop a good compiler-compiler for new daily telegraphies, and you don't even need crypto! [03:20]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040834 << not everyone lives in chicago you know. [03:20]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 05:32:01; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Weird. Five minutes walk from here is a zone where absolute lawlessness is permitted [03:20]
adlai the real competition should be "who can learn fastest a new randomly-generated telegraph encoding" [03:20]
asciilifeform http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/r350/burst.htm << puncher [03:21]
assbot R-350 Burst Encoder ... ( http://bit.ly/1GitakB ) [03:21]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I live on th other side of Illinois North/South Axis, still more lawless, especially if diversity is invoked [03:21]
mircea_popescu adlai or hire one, 599 /month [03:21]
decimation asciilifeform: inside a tu-95 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSVtYib8StY < note the straight key against the outside bulkhead at the comms position [03:22]
asciilifeform notice also the pen for cheating [03:22]
assbot Exploring the Tupolev Tu-95 "Bear" - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1GitoYW ) [03:23]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1040868 << why ? [03:23]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 05:38:28; *: asciilifeform dreams every day of program-in-bed [03:23]
mircea_popescu seriously now. why not shower in bed ? [03:23]
mircea_popescu why not program in wheelchair ? [03:23]
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mircea_popescu be as genius as that hawkins dude [03:23]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's like asking a shoe fetishist, why shoes, why not socks, hats [03:23]
adlai i'm guessing the ones for hire have hardcoded, monolithic parser-compilers, from countless hours spent translating the same encoding... sure, it's impressive to watch, but useless when a new alphabet pops up [03:23]
asciilifeform i like bed, blankets, warmth [03:23]
asciilifeform idleness [03:23]
mircea_popescu i've been known to do that. [03:23]
mircea_popescu also ask lesbos why no c0k [03:23]
asciilifeform aha [03:23]
asciilifeform good question, no? [03:24]
asciilifeform but never an interesting answer [03:24]
asciilifeform because spinal column can't talk [03:24]
adlai another solution is dictation, but it seems that for years to come, the best way to dictate code is via a human typist [03:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113000 @ 0.00036114 = 40.8088 BTC [-] {4} [03:26]
adlai !down [03:27]
adlai !down adlai [03:27]
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mircea_popescu noob adlai [03:28]
mircea_popescu "you can enter text quite fast using gesture typing" basically you lot just aspire to be cripples. [03:31]
mircea_popescu "oh, how glorious if i couldn't stand and i only had one weavery appendage i could move" [03:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60200 @ 0.00037881 = 22.8044 BTC [+] [03:31]
* asciilifeform 'tried' once (broke a hand) - didn't like [03:31]
decimation mircea_popescu: if one day you have a stroke and could only blink one eye, you might find the skill useful [03:31]
mircea_popescu i would certainly not use my only fucking remining blinker to code omfg. [03:32]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu is colorblind, that's a kind of crippled [03:32]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: you're not the poor sod who'd starve without coding either. [03:33]
ben_vulpes [04:55] that the fella actually thought he was 'using pgp' << wait wut? who biffed at this epic scale? [03:34]
* BingoBoingo doesn't imagine his ideal interface for coding uses, but for handling "ideal datacenter" eventually [03:34]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes i'd blink my way to broadway success! [03:34]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-2dfEc70gU << airplane from earlier [03:34]
assbot RARE | Tupolev Tu-95MS Inflight | HD - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Givx6Z ) [03:34]
asciilifeform peculiarly good film [03:35]
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decimation asciilifeform: the 'long range aviation command' still flies those things [03:35]
* asciilifeform not specialist, doesn't know what the point of those machines is, if you have rocket [03:37]
asciilifeform but for some odd - i suspect, ceremonial - reason - they still exist [03:37]
decimation well, they can carry rockets [03:38]
asciilifeform (ballistic rocket) [03:38]
asciilifeform why such a thing as 'trans-oceanic bomber' is needed, is beyond me [03:38]
decimation heh. to annoy countries across the ocean [03:39]
trinque you can't buzz your enemies with a rocket, turning back at the last moment [03:39]
asciilifeform so - ceremonial. [03:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25533 @ 0.00038703 = 9.882 BTC [+] [03:40]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: ceremonial, and... at one point they outnumbered rockets... Hence NIke Hercules [03:40]
asciilifeform at one point musketry. [03:40]
asciilifeform at one point slings. [03:41]
asciilifeform but for some peculiar reason - no musket brigades in modern armies [03:41]
asciilifeform nor sling corps [03:41]
mircea_popescu ahem. [03:42]
mircea_popescu ;;google 13eme dragons parachutistes [03:42]
gribble 13th Parachute Dragoon Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; 13e régiment de dragons parachutistes - Ministère de la Défense: ; 13eme RDP - Régiment des dragons parachutistes (1 more message) [03:42]
mircea_popescu suck on that for a while. paradragoons! [03:42]
decimation wait, I thought dragoons were horse-mounted infantry [03:43]
decimation do they paracute with their horse? [03:44]
mircea_popescu lol. [03:44]
asciilifeform laugh, but ru parachutists often had dogs [03:44]
asciilifeform nobody trained the beasts to pull the cord, no. dropped in boxes [03:44]
asciilifeform with autoparachute [03:45]
decimation oh, re: La Marseillaise < I find the lyrics hilarious, especially in modern times [03:45]
decimation a white communist and a black algerian living in the suburbs could both sing La Marseillaise and mean exactly opposite things [03:45]
asciilifeform (you can drop anything you want with chutes, even tank. read how.) [03:46]
decimation asciilifeform: a dog is a useful asset in the military, for a variety of tasks [03:46]
asciilifeform well yes [03:46]
asciilifeform http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2882621/Special-forces-soldiers-dogs-tandem-parachute-freefall-10-000ft.html << nato soldiers had dogs tied to them instead [03:47]
asciilifeform turns out [03:47]
assbot Special forces soldiers and their dogs take part in tandem parachute freefall | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQt80R ) [03:47]
trinque sounds like a great way to get sprayed with shit and piss on the way down [03:48]
asciilifeform if muzzle falls off, [03:48]
asciilifeform http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Picture_of_inverted_hanging.png/220px-Picture_of_inverted_hanging.png [03:48]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQtlB0 ) [03:49]
decimation 'and the dog too!' [03:49]
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asciilifeform decimation: the dog was there to add 'spice' [03:50]
asciilifeform he'd nibble a bit [03:50]
asciilifeform notice both hanging by legs [03:50]
mircea_popescu motherfucker [03:50]
mircea_popescu google is now serving "filtered" results and no way to turn the shit off anymore ?! [03:50]
mircea_popescu WHAT THE FUCK AMERICA! GET LOST! [03:50]
mircea_popescu ;;google skydiving fucking gif [03:51]
gribble fuck yeah skydiving: ; Referees Showing Some Sass, a Skydiving Seizure, and the GIFs ...: ; airplane+skydiver=fuck - Album on Imgur: [03:51]
mircea_popescu ^ was going to say teh americans are taking their bitches [03:51]
mircea_popescu but no, they aren't. [03:51]
trinque censorship, the humor destroyer [03:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'google images' ? [03:52]
asciilifeform still shows as optional here [03:52]
mircea_popescu Moderate SafeSearch is on and clickable. if you click on it tho,. "Set your SafeSearch preferences in the blue box below." and the blue box says [03:52]
mircea_popescu SafeSearch Filtering [03:52]
mircea_popescu Google's SafeSearch blocks web pages containing explicit sexual content from appearing in search results. [03:52]
mircea_popescu Show most relevant results [03:52]
mircea_popescu Filter explicit results. [03:52]
mircea_popescu which bs. [03:52]
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trinque google "skydiving fucking"... get http://s17.photobucket.com/user/wetfrombirthx/media/newyears08066.jpg.html [03:53]
assbot newyears08066.jpg Photo by wetfrombirthx | Photobucket ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiyO6n ) [03:53]
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BingoBoingo !up BananaLotus [03:53]
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BingoBoingo !up guruvan [03:53]
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mircea_popescu trinque there's this one bangbros if memory serves scene [03:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: works as usual here [03:53]
mircea_popescu where they did actually spend the 28k or w/e to shoot a chick being pounded in air [03:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i guess it won't last. [03:53]
mircea_popescu google has been on a shitmission the past 5 years or so, it becomes less and less useful. [03:54]
asciilifeform what's been censored anyway [03:54]
asciilifeform w4r3z ? [03:54]
mircea_popescu well, apparently for some reason i can't have pronz in google nao. [03:54]
asciilifeform weird [03:54]
asciilifeform what else is 'images' used for. [03:54]
mircea_popescu last week they came up with the "no pronz in bloigger" thing, which got everyone riled up so they decided they'll just implement it covertly instead of overtly [03:55]
trinque mircea_popescu: found this http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=13d_1318607927 [03:55]
assbot LiveLeak.com - Skydiving Sex Stunt (un-censored version!) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Giz8lA ) [03:55]
mircea_popescu and generally speaking i'm sick and fucking tired of the new generation of usians and their ideas about the world. [03:55]
asciilifeform new? [03:56]
mircea_popescu newly voiced. [03:56]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Titties of the continent http://motherchubbypornphotos.org/teenfatanalsex/piece/piec/pi1025.jpg [03:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:56]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GizfO0 ) [03:56]
asciilifeform as if the old idiots didn't try to censor pr0n [03:56]
* mircea_popescu is fucking riled up. [03:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i read as 'fatal anal sex' [03:56]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: lol [03:56]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: does engl. have a catch-term for 'fatal buggery' ? [03:56]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Maybe yoy are being singled out [03:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yes, "Mr Hands" [03:57]
mircea_popescu conspiraci! [03:57]
asciilifeform ru 'turkish wedding' [03:57]
trinque BingoBoingo: *shudder* [03:57]
asciilifeform normally implies spade handle or the like [03:57]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Mr Hands died organically, by horse and normal intestinal flora [03:58]
asciilifeform 'by horse' l0l [03:58]
BingoBoingo !up gabriel_laddel [03:58]
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gabriel_laddel Thanks. [03:58]
gabriel_laddel BingoBoingo: r.e., tits - eww. [03:58]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Literlly, Horse fucked Mr Hands to death [03:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform some people do a lot more than spade handles, for fun. let me introduce you to daisy, from ny. http://gatsbyswhore.tumblr.com/ << [03:59]
trinque BingoBoingo: only took a few good thrusts [03:59]
assbot Gatsby's Whore ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQv757 ) [03:59]
gabriel_laddel SUBJECTIVE TASTE ISN'T [03:59]
BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Seriously that one, small waist big tits, what is the problem? [03:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l [03:59]
gabriel_laddel I guess I just have different tastes [04:00]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: good candidate for smuggling 'mule' [04:00]
mircea_popescu yup. [04:00]
asciilifeform ... or not. could fall out [04:00]
asciilifeform much too easily [04:01]
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mircea_popescu i kinda suspect that's how the entire anal stretcher niche got to be a thing. [04:01]
mircea_popescu nah. [04:01]
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asciilifeform but at any rate, betcha that thing's way out of calibration [04:01]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/ffd6514e0619eaaa5d2295c912d807ef/tumblr_n877uvkGV61sg0ns8o1_1280.jpg [04:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiA9df ) [04:01]
trinque bet it makes for easier human skull exit [04:01]
mircea_popescu "even the asshole shoots once" [04:01]
gabriel_laddel http://www.shadbase.com/gamer360/ [04:01]
assbot Shädbase - L33t Gamer ... ( http://bit.ly/1GiAf4J ) [04:01]
trinque I wonder if there've been cultures that did fisting as a sort of obvious "of course you fist before squatting out humans" [04:02]
mircea_popescu ;;ud squatting out [04:02]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squatter | squatter. In public toilets one who sits all day on a commode waiting for a penis to come at him through a glory ... We can't get these squatters out of our house! [04:02]
asciilifeform trinque: questionable given the actual bottleneck in the system (cervix) [04:03]
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asciilifeform trinque: not that no one tried - but how well worked. [04:03]
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BingoBoingo ... or not. could fall out << Sutures [04:04]
trinque BingoBoingo: zipper! [04:04]
asciilifeform superglue [04:04]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo behind the times [04:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you have a purely anatomical view of what is a physiological process. [04:04]
mircea_popescu the girls that fist that i fucked don't have worse grasp than the naive set. [04:04]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> superglue << Too great a chance of "healing" [04:04]
mircea_popescu similarly, the girls that can swallow a snake don't puke a lot. [04:05]
asciilifeform ^ that one actually makes naive sense [04:05]
BingoBoingo Sutures spaced, don't make matching folds the same... cyanoacrylate though... [04:05]
trinque mircea_popescu: the thing does seem to have an "accepting" mode [04:06]
trinque activated by being well-fucked among other methods I'm sure [04:06]
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mircea_popescu now obviously if done badly/traumatically the results are more like you know, that guy with the telephone poole [04:06]
mircea_popescu another internet classic which is apparently disappeared. [04:07]
mircea_popescu pretty sure it was on rotten.com [04:08]
trinque I'm off, goodnight all [04:09]
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gabriel_laddel hahaha [04:19]
asciilifeform tried to take photo, but 2 in the morning and damn near impossible to get a good shot through glass and mosquito net [04:19]
gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: Why did you choose to name the #b-a lordship as such? Is there a historical system of governance you are drawing inspiration from in particular? [04:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the photo in question was the famous 'goatse' [04:20]
asciilifeform and it can never disappear [04:20]
asciilifeform the lonesome disk that survives the great nukefest will turn out to contain it [04:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00038703 = 15.7908 BTC [+] [04:22]
adlai true legends never die, they simply fade to plaintext... http://goatse.ch/ [04:22]
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adlai gabriel_laddel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Serene_Republic [04:24]
assbot Most Serene Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQAjWW ) [04:24]
BingoBoingo * asciilifeform got up to check on... deer trying to get in << Left side of their face seems to be more receptive to blunt trauma if it comes to that... if your deer are anything like ours [04:24]
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cazalla haha holy fuck, derpopulous actually told the australian senate (with a straight face) he invisions a kid on a skateboard in indonesia running a billion dollar remittance business [05:02]
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fluffypony lol cazalla [05:32]
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kakobrekla http://i.imgur.com/ose0MfD.gifv [06:39]
assbot This is bad, i guess. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NfnWIa ) [06:39]
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fluffypony ah South Africa [06:43]
fluffypony we're even training our lions, now [06:43]
fluffypony source vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeaztQK9If0 [06:45]
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adlai clever girl! [06:47]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://i.imgur.com/nnJLHk9.jpg [06:55]
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mircea_popescu happened to someone else too! [06:55]
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fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.msg10633083#msg10633083 [08:15]
assbot Chinese Mining mogul FriedCat has stolen more than a million in AM hash SCAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1EMBJ5p ) [08:15]
fluffypony "I think FriedCat is not a real name. Does anyone know about FriedCat's real identity ?" [08:15]
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mircea_popescu cazalla i had not no [19:46]
mircea_popescu Dear Customer, [19:48]
mircea_popescu We detected irregular card activity on your American Express Check Card on 4 March, [19:48]
mircea_popescu 2015. As the Primary Contact, you must verify your credit card activity before you can [19:48]
mircea_popescu continue using your card, and upon verification, we will remove any restrictions [19:48]
mircea_popescu placed on your card. [19:48]
mircea_popescu dude, the fucking notion that this shit sounds credible. [19:49]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly, [19:51]
mircea_popescu Theodore Sturgeon, respected creative and prolific science fiction author, shed the following offhand remark which instantly codified as Sturgeon's Law: "90% of everything is shit." One might visit a university library and walk through Women's Studies or hyphenated-American literature areas and wonder where Sturgeon's 10% is cloistered. Why pay parking fees? The 90% will come knocking at your door, then break it down d [19:51]
mircea_popescu emanding entry. [19:51]
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asciilifeform sumbody's been reading al [19:54]
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asciilifeform and mircea_popescu appears to get exactly the same spam as my spam-magnet, turd for turd [19:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im sure it's all the same. but the point being... this works ? [19:56]
mircea_popescu why. how. [19:56]
asciilifeform cargo cult [19:56]
asciilifeform quite likely it never once worked. [19:56]
asciilifeform or, to the spamz0r's great misfortune - exactly once. [19:56]
asciilifeform resulting in lifetime cargoaddiction [19:57]
mircea_popescu heh [19:57]
mircea_popescu sadly i don't have credit cards, as i don't subscribe to open liability deals. but i wonder what the original texts say [19:57]
mircea_popescu i imagine this must be cribbed off one [19:57]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i don't have credit cards << do you deal with credit at all (i.e. loc)? [19:58]
mircea_popescu sure. [19:59]
thestringpuller random point: do you think bitcoin will ever be ready for credit? [19:59]
thestringpuller given people playing banker in 2012 [19:59]
asciilifeform iirc wot folks have borrowed from one another before [19:59]
thestringpuller ah I guess the liquidity loan from F.MPIF -> S.WOL is similar [20:00]
thestringpuller but that was interest free loan no? [20:00]
asciilifeform (though it is potentially - and thus, in fact is - an infinite-liability deal; how can you guarantee that you will find the coin to repay) [20:00]
thestringpuller ^- exactly [20:01]
asciilifeform and what kind of collateral could possibly suffice for btc [20:01]
thestringpuller ^- really nothing. definitely not fiat [20:01]
asciilifeform (let's say tomorrow's 'day x' and 1 btc > your organs) [20:01]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: repay with your life? (not in sense of deadmen don't pay, but contractual servitude) [20:02]
asciilifeform so borrowing btc, as shown above, is an uncapped liability [20:02]
asciilifeform as is, conversely, lending [20:02]
asciilifeform (you lose 1btc because poor schmuck couldn't come up the the ten sets of organs, only one, and you lost most of what you lent him) [20:02]
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asciilifeform thestringpuller: what somebody's worth as a slave is still a finite sum, that isn't especially difficult to come up with (ask the romans) [20:03]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: then in that case entire meatspace family is in servitude? wasn't this a thing in history? Can't repay debt so X generation of people are slaves? [20:03]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller these things aren't related. bitcoin has been fine for credit for years. idiots aren't or ever will be ready for life. [20:03]
mircea_popescu but that was interest free loan no? << no. [20:03]
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asciilifeform ^ if above reasoning is flawed, i'd like to learn how [20:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform by having bitcoin revenue, of course. [20:04]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: problem is that most sources of bitcoin revenue are made of flesh and likely to suffer damage on hypothetical 'day x' [20:04]
mircea_popescu this is not true. [20:04]
asciilifeform say, you are in the habit of selling $gizmos for btc [20:04]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: but what if your revenue stream is no longer a stream but a trickle like man with swollen protrate trying to pee? [20:04]
mircea_popescu imaginary sources of bitcoin, pretend "bitcoin businesses" like coinbase or w/e suffer from the problem ytou describe [20:05]
mircea_popescu actual bitcoin companies, such as for instance listed on mpex, generally don't have the problem. [20:05]
asciilifeform btc heats up, begins to climb, revenue drops.. [20:05]
mircea_popescu this widely consensusified notion has no met any sort of practical validation so far. [20:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mpex, as i understand, consists of ultra-long-haul folks [20:05]
mircea_popescu bitbet largest revenue to date is not when btc was 3 bux [20:05]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i would say this is true for the zero asset corporations. the non-zero asset corporations seem to be holdling their own, but too early to tell. [20:05]
mircea_popescu anywya, it was a point long discussed (among the financial minds) that the nature of btc makes distinction of loans and equity difficult. this was principally centered around the mpoe bonds back when those ran. [20:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is your explanation essentially that exchange value of btc (in the secular world at large, not speaking of usd in particular) and the btc income of a well-organized business are tightly coupled and the 'rope never breaks' ? [20:07]
mircea_popescu buncha threads from 2011/2012 prolly very informative for this topic [20:07]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform the explanation is that "exchange value of btc" is a broadly meaningless notion, and only vaguely useful as a temporary crutch. [20:08]
mircea_popescu there is no such thing as the "exchange value of money". money is the one thing without an exchange value, being the exchange value of all things. [20:08]
asciilifeform defined strictly for the purpose of this line of inquiry as 'that which might cause btc sphincters to tighten and less to be spent tomorrow' [20:09]
mircea_popescu consider the bank loans you money for a mortgage, and tomorrow houses go for 2 dollars each. [20:09]
mircea_popescu this sort of counterfactual is a tad nonsensical. [20:09]
mircea_popescu but that aside : the terms of the loan specify the recourse, and that's that. [20:09]
asciilifeform 'asteroid falls, everyone died' [20:09]
mircea_popescu (which is why i won't take a mortgage deal that has recourse past the item bought, nor would any sane businessman. yet usian idiot consumers regularly do, because hey. they've come to expectorate.) [20:10]
asciilifeform but mircea_popescu is right re: earlier observation that the mega-bubble didn't seem to kill anyone [20:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik 100% of mortgage deals in usa do [20:11]
mircea_popescu nope. [20:11]
mircea_popescu only chump ones. [20:11]
asciilifeform that is, if you default they take money+house [20:11]
mircea_popescu you can write whatever contracts you wish. [20:11]
asciilifeform and the money consists of what 'is worth now' according to magic arse rng [20:11]
mircea_popescu the trick is to not write that many donations while alive [20:12]
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asciilifeform there are non-chumpatronic mortgages? [20:12]
mircea_popescu of course. [20:12]
asciilifeform how does that even work [20:12]
mircea_popescu limited recourse, or no recourse deals. [20:12]
asciilifeform no recourse ? [20:12]
mircea_popescu the former are mortgages proper (if the payer goes bust you get the item and that is all) , the latter are commercial paper (if the payer goes bust you suck it). [20:13]
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asciilifeform how can it work in the latter case, payer stops paying and keeps the goods ? [20:14]
mircea_popescu no recourse real estate deals are in the vast majority of the time attempts by some crown or other to hike the land values. [20:14]
asciilifeform or - his creditors [20:14]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: you've said GNAT is bad, you would not have it with a GNU or in a zoo? [20:14]
mircea_popescu like, give a million no recourse loan to the nude girlies show to produce itself on your new fairgrounds [20:14]
thestringpuller What ada compiler should I learn on? [20:14]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: gnat's the only game in town for ada [20:14]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform payer can't keep going and stop paying. [20:14]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: gnat [20:15]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: how to get it on your system is a puzzler that you would have to resolve [20:15]
thestringpuller nah already done [20:15]
asciilifeform (will point out, for the record, that there are other adas, not descended from gnat - but i will never see them so long as i live, and quite likely neither will you) [20:16]
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [20:16]
thestringpuller lol gtk-ada [20:16]
gribble Current Blocks: 346203 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 548 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47829064524.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.45197 [20:16]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: for folks who need graphical whatevery [20:16]
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thestringpuller what was that thing you showed us a while back...ratpoison? Some OS [20:18]
thestringpuller http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratpoison << ah found it [20:19]
asciilifeform hanbot: if it's a reasonably recent gentoo with reasonably recent contents, there is no escape but to read the manual. [20:19]
asciilifeform hanbot: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64 << 'installation' << assuming you're on an x86 system [20:20]
assbot Handbook:AMD64 - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fbigt9 ) [20:20]
mike_c hanbot: if you install gentoo and eulora from scratch it would be cool to have a step-by-step for http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora#Gentoo [20:29]
assbot Installing Eulora - Eulorum ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3E4Yd ) [20:29]
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gabriel_laddel http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/egggun.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/rit.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/pringle.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/blood.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/fat.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/olestra.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/petit.htm http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/garden.htm [20:43]
assbot ASK DR. SCHUND ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HABT ) [20:43]
assbot INTELLIGENT DYE SIGN ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HBWm ) [20:43]
assbot THE FREE SAMPLE ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HDNY ) [20:43]
assbot ASK DR. SCHUND ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HDO4 ) [20:43]
assbot THE FAT IS IN THE FIRE ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HCcX ) [20:44]
assbot IT'S NOT JUST FOR LUNCH ANY MORE! ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HDOc ) [20:44]
assbot Petitjean's Quantitative Chirality ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HE4D ) [20:44]
assbot ASK DR. SCHUND ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3HE4L ) [20:44]
gabriel_laddel ^ All Al articles absent from the homepage. [20:44]
gabriel_laddel (that can be found in the first 10 pages of google results) [20:44]
gabriel_laddel (that are not preliminary drafts of PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY) [20:45]
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gabriel_laddel oh, and these: https://www.fictionpress.com/u/427609/Uncle-Al [20:48]
assbot Uncle Al | FictionPress ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbnmFM ) [20:48]
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mircea_popescu ding [21:08]
mircea_popescu ha! [21:08]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041299 o.O [21:18]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 11:11:30; fluffypony: "I think FriedCat is not a real name. Does anyone know about FriedCat's real identity ?" [21:18]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041297 sad that it had to turn into http://trilema.com/2013/the-analysis-of-a-failure-asicminer/ [21:19]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 11:11:21; fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974058.msg10633083#msg10633083 [21:19]
assbot The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BJ9zHy ) [21:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041314 << nice c man! [21:19]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 12:30:34; cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/leaked-emails-detail-inner-workings-of-josh-garzas-scams/ [21:19]
mircea_popescu "Garza deliberately mislead" << misled. [21:20]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, fixed [21:22]
mircea_popescu so nice to see qntra redo the bitbet history with this gaw scam [21:22]
mircea_popescu back in 2012 all the rage were "bfl miners" [21:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041360 << lawl! [21:25]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 13:57:22; mod6: i've never seen this before. [21:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041381 << sounds legit. [21:25]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 14:04:18; jurov: so i propose to go on to 0.5.3.2 .. release early, release often [21:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041397 <<< these homos... [21:27]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 14:19:27; jurov: i am just not placing any expectations to any piece of software anymore [21:27]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041403 << i guess i lose for being vague! [21:29]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 14:26:17; Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041323 < thanks for the tip, I’ll set up a euro bank account when I’m in france this summer [21:29]
Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: you lose due to recency bias! I’ll extend the thanks to you regardless haha [21:30]
mircea_popescu lol [21:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041414 << here's the long story : traditionally, "int" means a word, and word means a register size, which is machine dependent (was 8 bit, then 16, then 32 and now is 64). because historically the register was inconvenient for human use, the notion of "long int" was born, as a dword (two words) or qword (four). because historically the register was inconvenient for memor [21:33]
mircea_popescu y usage, the notion of short int was created, sometimes as small as a byte (8 bits). [21:33]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 14:34:51; PeterL: why in c is a long int the same size as int? [21:33]
mircea_popescu both of these are becoming obsolete as ram is cheap and 64 bits plentiful. so in the future, int will just mean "integer number" and that's that, [21:34]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041474 hehehehehe [21:41]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 18:24:10; sjsqd: do you know if anyone from the previous foundation is aware of it? [21:41]
mircea_popescu yeah, inasmuch as gavin tiptoes around my lunch hour, i would propose they're painfully aware of it, yes. [21:41]
mircea_popescu dude it's so great to come to logs after a nice meal and find all sorts of gems like these. [21:42]
mircea_popescu i vote #b-a best afternoon show in town. [21:43]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041509 << ironically enough, the client the OTHERS work on is different from bitcoin core. [21:45]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 18:29:13; sjsqd: but I assume the client you work on is different to bitcoin core? [21:45]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/socialism-saved-for-later-lolz/ [21:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 166 @ 0.012 = 1.992 BTC [+] [21:58]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [22:04]
gribble Current Blocks: 346213 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 538 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 20 hours, 13 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47691297024.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.15687 [22:04]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041515 << technically foundation wasn't born yet. so no, it's better custodianship of the bitcoin codebase than the fake foundation has been displaying. [22:05]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 18:29:42; asciilifeform: sjsqd: starting point was phoundation's release circa 2012 [22:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 202 @ 0.012 = 2.424 BTC [+] {2} [22:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041549 << omfg the insanities [22:07]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 18:38:01; sjsqd: you basically earn based upon your proportion of page views [22:07]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2015#1041571 << https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 [22:09]
assbot Logged on 04-03-2015 18:41:39; sjsqd: even with hundreds of thousands of page views I only ever made about 70 USD over 2-3 years [22:09]
assbot Bitcoin Address 16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWOPLI ) [22:09]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what is that trilema address? [22:15]
mircea_popescu yea [22:16]
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ben_vulpes ryan-c: do i know you? [22:32]
ryan-c ben_vulpes: I don't think so. I'm not Ryan X Charles. [22:33]
BingoBoingo That's always good to hear. The world needs less javascript. [22:34]
ryan-c lol [22:34]
ben_vulpes nah, another ryan c. [22:34]
ryan-c when all you have is a hammer... [22:34]
ryan-c ben_vulpes: https://keybase.io/ryanc is me [22:35]
BingoBoingo You just end up poorly reimplementing Common Lisp or Ada [22:35]
assbot Ryan Castellucci (ryanc) | Keybase ... ( http://bit.ly/1DWTBcg ) [22:35]
mircea_popescu how many ryan-c are there ? :D [22:35]
ryan-c mircea_popescu: probably at least 50,000 in the US [22:36]
mircea_popescu thinking about it... yeah. [22:36]
BingoBoingo ryan-c: You know keyservers exist in a much more user friendly form than that abomination make by the okcupid people [22:36]
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ryan-c BingoBoingo: My gpg keys are in pgp.mit.edu and sks-keyservers as well. [22:37]
BingoBoingo Ah [22:37]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: i curious about the no-recourse mortgages as well. lender returns payment stream, keeps asset? [22:41]
mircea_popescu lender returns nothing at all. [22:42]
ben_vulpes so borrower defaults, lender gets house and payments. [22:44]
ben_vulpes oop! limited recourse i mean. [22:44]
mircea_popescu let's work a model. suppose i own 85`000 square footage of marble flooring, used for running a harem. suppose i come to the conclusion my harem doesn't attract good / numerous enough cuntage. suppose i decide this is because there's no belly dancing happening. suppose i go to a belly dancer in city and say, listen, i'll loan you 10k golden pistoons if you start a belly dancing school on my marlbe acreage. [22:44]
mircea_popescu this is the sort of thing. the professional has no interest in leaving their current place just because i want to relocate them, and the situation isn't feudal, where i just order them moved. [22:45]
mircea_popescu now, if the school goes well and makes money im getting my pistoons back. [22:45]
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mircea_popescu if not, fuck me and my stupid "palace" with no running water up on a mountain in the desert. [22:45]
mircea_popescu belly dancer expert walks and i'm more than welcome to repay myself. [22:45]
ben_vulpes i think i get it. [22:46]
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mircea_popescu the idea being that contracts (of the old sort) are flexible and useful, just as long as the chumps grok that there is no such thing as "a standard contract". [22:48]
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mircea_popescu and as to limited recourse, it can be limited whatever way. generally it is, "lend me this money to buy this house, i pay you so and so, and if i don't you keep the house." [22:51]
mircea_popescu which is the very definition of mortgage (a topic of not little historical interest, because it's one of the rare cases where we can observe biological evolution at work in what's supposed to be fleshless abstractions) [22:52]
mircea_popescu there's a lot of similarity between how prokaryotes ended up with mitochondria and how commerce ended up with the mortgage. [22:52]
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felipelalli good night BingoBoingo! [23:11]
BingoBoingo later [23:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.04499913 = 2.07 BTC [+] {2} [23:11]
mike_c the first trade after that debacle is a buy? [23:18]
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mircea_popescu !up dragosb [23:28]
-assbot- You voiced dragosb for 30 minutes. [23:28]
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felipelalli About coinbr.com, what happens if my account stay negative "forever"? I will be in debt or it shall be forgiven? [23:28]
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dragosb Hello Mircea ! I read a article on your blog about How to be a good poker player, and I was pondering do you play on-line or live? [23:30]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/aspiring-bitcoin-journalist-arrested-for-recruiting-for-isis/ [23:30]
mircea_popescu dragosb i play very little these days. i mostly played live, and mostly pre-consumer internet. [23:30]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, on that score : as mike_c correctly pointed out a week or so ago, headsup is actually a broken game now, courtesy of teh damned computers. [23:31]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: long story : traditionally, "int" means a word... << obtain, from purely historical interest, if you don't already own it, k&r 1st ed. good tour of the weirdo word (and byte!) sizes on the archs of the day. predecessor 'B' was 'typeless' (all things are machine-word width) and this was not uncommon then [23:33]
mircea_popescu indeed. [23:34]
mircea_popescu kinda how a mpcomputer would work , for that matter. [23:34]
mircea_popescu wtf type bs. [23:34]
mircea_popescu just say how many lengths of chord you want to hang yourself with. [23:34]
* asciilifeform goes further than mircea_popescu, dispenses with 'machine word' concept. want bits, say how many. [23:34]
asciilifeform we know how to build serial ALUs. [23:35]
mircea_popescu heh [23:35]
mircea_popescu yeah. that's further than i'd go. [23:35]
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mircea_popescu (nttawwi) [23:35]
[]bot Bet placed: 5.03285372 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 66.0688022 BTC. Current weight: 73,586. [23:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5480 @ 0.00038199 = 2.0933 BTC [+] {2} [23:37]
asciilifeform http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/chist.html << for classicists/aficionados only [23:38]
assbot Chistory [23:38]
samO_ scoopbot sergiohlb shesek sjsqd so starsoccer Stellarflip STRML [23:38]
samO_ scoopbot sergiohlb shesek sjsqd so starsoccer Stellarflip STRML [23:38]
mircea_popescu o hey dmr [23:39]
asciilifeform of course, who else [23:39]
* asciilifeform isn't yet aware of any secondary/tertiary derpologists having suckerfished on to this subject - but who knows [23:40]
asciilifeform http://www.e-reading.link/bookreader.php/138815/Expert_C_Programming:_Deep_C_Secrets.pdf << l33t w4r3z. have this in dead tree, it's one of the most riotously entertaining books on any kind of programming whatsoever, imho [23:42]
thestringpuller RIP dmr, mah nigga. [23:42]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlJDV8 ) [23:42]
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asciilifeform i heartily recomment 'deep c' even to folks who despise c and hardly program at all in anything [23:42]
thestringpuller ada isn't so bad. dunno why people are complaining... [23:43]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: folks are used to their sawed-off shotguns, balk at slightly heavier, longer 'thompson' [23:44]
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BingoBoingo thestringpuller: You only say that becasue you are going through practice where Ruby forces still more bondage and discipline upon you [23:44]
* BingoBoingo kinda wants Mosin, has never lost to itself [23:44]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: phun phact: to ru folks, 'sawed-off' - 'обрез' - means precisely a cut-off mosin [23:45]
asciilifeform rather than shotgun [23:45]
BingoBoingo lol [23:45]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.nakop.ru/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&attach_id=160390 << it [23:45]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlK1TK ) [23:45]
BingoBoingo Mosin also at $150/piece also solves http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ for body/vehicle armor [23:46]
assbot Strategy for the antisocial struggle. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlK5Tn ) [23:46]
asciilifeform http://www.admemo.ru/arms-mosin-rifle/mosin-obrez.jpg << also it [23:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GlKbdI ) [23:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: What of the wrist of who fires that [23:46]
asciilifeform what of the ears [23:47]
BingoBoingo Ears are guarenteed to fail on a long enough timeline, visit nursing home if you have pretenses otherwise. [23:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: incidentally, mosin is for some reason extremely common in usa [23:48]
asciilifeform like, 100 usd [23:48]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Isn't it beautiful? [23:48]
asciilifeform comes, iirc, in a gigantic block of 'cosmoline' but otherwise virginal [23:48]
asciilifeform complete with trihedral bayonet [23:48]
BingoBoingo The best deer rifle in history is the cheapest. [23:48]
asciilifeform you'll be using ancient ru corrosive primers though. [23:49]
asciilifeform and no chrome [23:49]
asciilifeform hope you like scrubbing [23:49]
BingoBoingo Bolt action so cleaning... More popular "deer" rifle is sks, still corrosive primers, much less range, still moar cleaning [23:50]
asciilifeform 'sks' iirc takes modern (7,62x39) rounds [23:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not so sure it does, no. [23:50]
mircea_popescu i doubt mosin pierces kevlar. [23:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Yes sks, you also get diminished charge behind bullet for no less cleaning [23:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: full-sized rifle cartridge, one of the 'hottest' still made (7,62x54r) [23:51]
mircea_popescu even so. [23:51]
asciilifeform (mosin, that is) [23:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Equivalent to US .30-06 caliber. Beats any man wearable armour [23:51]
mircea_popescu is it ? [23:51]
BingoBoingo yes [23:51]
asciilifeform bad formulation [23:51]
* mircea_popescu defers. [23:52]
asciilifeform all depends on range, angle of impact [23:52]
asciilifeform basics here [23:52]
mircea_popescu in any case im notsure you'd want a plain bolt action for that purpose. [23:52]
mircea_popescu more like a "tough as nails, swiss made SKS". like the mac10 maybe. [23:52]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, not for the whole club, but if you have people designated to hit marks at a distance... [23:52]
mircea_popescu ...then they' dwant a modern sniper rifle. [23:53]
* mircea_popescu has never actually seen a mosin used in practice. ever. anywhere. [23:53]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Mac10's caliber is recognized now as sub pistol, .380 ACP isn't beating a single sheet of kevlar [23:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: largely a third-world (afghanistan, africa) item currently, afaik [23:53]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo it's all in the filling. they make dup double strength cartridges now. [23:54]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: moder sniper rifle has bullets of similar power to mosin, simply smaller case [23:54]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo nah, much better barrel. accuracy is a thing. [23:54]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sure, but at the point barrels make a difference operator makes a far greater difference [23:55]
mircea_popescu by the time you're shooting policemen you're not going to save on the rifle. those suckers cost thje enemy like 1.5-3 mn a pop. [23:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: there's a beautiful treatise, 'art of the sniper' ('искусство снайпера') - ru of course - highly recommended if aficionado or even mild interest in the history. describes precisely what modern designers changed [23:55]
asciilifeform (by one potapov) [23:55]
mircea_popescu you know i suspect potapov is like the ru mil pythagoras. [23:56]
mircea_popescu everything seems to be written by one potapov [23:56]
asciilifeform yer thinking bourbaki mebbe [23:56]
BingoBoingo USia claimed its own for a bt in the Hathcock guy [23:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform same idea. [23:56]
asciilifeform aha [23:56]
BingoBoingo Hathcock's narrative though included using light machine guns as bolt action rifle because US lacked adequate sniper rifle for 'Nam [23:57]
asciilifeform americans took the whole 'golden sniper toilet' thing almost to logical conclusion, with microprocessorized wind&elevation calculators, bullets turned on lathes (!), etc [23:57]
asciilifeform ru school of thought took, unsurprisingly, opposite tack [23:58]
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asciilifeform (simple weapons, but highly skilled professionals) [23:58]
* asciilifeform is an armchair general and recommends that aficionados seek out the primary sources. [23:59]
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