Forum logs for 04 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	(not that he needs'em for anything, but might not resist urge to discover if it was a true microscope in the sense of cracking a skull well)	[00:00]
decimation	asciilifeform: somewhat related, I was reading about system 360 earlier today	[00:00]
decimation	interestingly even though there were many thousands made, hardly any survive	[00:00]
asciilifeform	just same as 'cray'	[00:00]
asciilifeform	or for that matter, very few symbolics lisp machines survive in working order	[00:01]
asciilifeform	even though they were much more compact than a 360	[00:01]
asciilifeform	helps to recall that neither was a 'mass' item in the modern sense	[00:01]
asciilifeform	a few thou. sold	[00:01]
asciilifeform	iirc.	[00:02]
decimation	yeah there's a smbx 3600 keyboard on ebay for 1800	[00:02]
asciilifeform	wat?!!!	[00:02]
decimation	and a working 'macivory' for 6800	[00:02]
*	asciilifeform blows dust off smbx keyboardz	[00:02]
decimation	http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-3600-LISP-MACHINE-KEYBOARD-/321810769726	[00:03]
assbot	RARE Vintage Computer Symbolics 3600 Lisp Machine Keyboard \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIDp1 )	[00:03]
decimation	http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-LISP-MACHINE-MACIVORY-III-APPLE-MACINTOSH-QUADRA-950-/221830615247	[00:03]
asciilifeform	l0l!!!	[00:03]
assbot	Vintage Computer Symbolics Lisp Machine Macivory III Apple Macintosh Quadra 950 \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIEtd )	[00:03]
decimation	who knows what they are gonna get	[00:03]
asciilifeform	last i checked, david schmidt will sell these for ~200 or so	[00:03]
asciilifeform	perhaps he ran out	[00:03]
gernika	Following up on the "programmer lock-in" thread. Let's say you somehow saved up some capital and want to get out. What do you buy with the small amount of capital? Convencience store? Restaurant? Who will work there? Not your cousin from India - you're 3rd gen. American/Brittish/Whatever.	[00:04]
asciilifeform	incidentally, to my knowledge all published schematics for that keyboard are plagiarized from my reversed drawing: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/Symbolics3600Keyboard.png	[00:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UjIQZq )	[00:05]
decimation	gernika: that's kinda the point of the earlier converation. as long as you count your wealth in usd, you are owned by usg and are wealthy at their pleasure	[00:06]
gernika	decimation You're right I see the tie-in.	[00:08]
decimation	asciilifeform: but the point I was making with the s/360 is that apparently the one the FAA used for ARTCC was a 'triplex' computer with full voting!	[00:09]
asciilifeform	'tandem' used to make a mini with triplexing	[00:09]
decimation	no wonder it took them 40 years to 'replace' it	[00:09]
decimation	some pictures http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/voy/museum/pictures/display/3-1.htm	[00:10]
assbot	IBM 360 display left ... ( http://bit.ly/1III3NR )	[00:10]
decimation	I would bet $20 that they aren't gonna use a 'triplex' computer to replace it	[00:10]
asciilifeform	no shit.	[00:11]
decimation	I actually visited a fully-operating s/360 working at an faa ARTCC as a youth	[00:14]
decimation	the most impressive thing was the wall of lead-acid batteries - meant to run the thing for 10 minutes while the generators kicked-on	[00:14]
asciilifeform	eh, that's still sop	[00:15]
asciilifeform	at any reasonable plant	[00:15]
decimation	I recall the working s/360 as being very ... large	[00:15]
decimation	took up about 10 racks if I recall	[00:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19393 @ 0.00054806 = 10.6285 BTC [+] {2}	[00:18]
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decimation	asciilifeform: lulz: http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/05/eram-crash-sparked-by-insufficient-ram/ "The computer system made by Lockheed Martin interpreted the flight as a more typical low altitude operation, and began processing it for a route below 10,000 feet. The extensive number of routings that would have been required to deconflict the aircraft with lower altitude flights used a large amount of available ...	[00:36]
assbot	ERAM crash sparked by insufficient RAM \| Air Traffic Management \| Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIL5l8 )	[00:36]
decimation	... memory and interrupted the computer’s other flight-processing functions."	[00:37]
decimation	"Reuters reports that a controller would have entered the usual altitude for a U-2 plane – about 60,000 feet – forcing the system to consider all altitudes between ground level and infinity and generating a conflict which caused the system to begin cycling through restarts."	[00:37]
asciilifeform	since when does u2 even file plans	[00:39]
asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!	[00:41]
asciilifeform	mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:	[00:41]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000142.html	[00:41]
assbot	[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Mempool Jettison Trigger ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6ec1q )	[00:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00052228 = 4.7527 BTC [-] {3}	[00:42]
asciilifeform	oh and zoolag is back.	[00:42]
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decimation	asciilifeform: actually it's a good point (the u2) - you see the results with that f16 vs cessna crash	[00:49]
decimation	us mil operates 'outside civilian system' on us soil to some degree	[00:49]
decimation	thus setting up the ironic situation where one side of usg wants to clamp down on 100 foot drone-flying while f16s blaze around where they please	[00:50]
decimation	and furthermore their brand new 'air traffic management' computer is vulnerable to resource starvation	[00:50]
asciilifeform	'All this was in part spawned by a long going if little voiced thread in #b-a on the topic of "how can PGP folk be this fucking retarded. Sort-of like the colonial European's expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language also. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons.' << YES!	[01:00]
asciilifeform	^^ mircea_popescu winz. ^^	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	shit i stepped away for a second and i got way behind	[01:00]
*	asciilifeform while mircea_popescu was out, was in the middle of finally writing the motherfucking broadcast but paused to post the mempool guillotine	[01:01]
asciilifeform	which has been up the sleeve for too long	[01:01]
asciilifeform	ought to be tried by somebody.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	aha	[01:02]
asciilifeform	(and yes, i test'em before posting, but i mean here ~really~ test!)	[01:02]
asciilifeform	like, on live goats	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	poor goats.	[01:02]
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asciilifeform	also ok to use live lusers	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	or i should expect it;s obvious	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	also ok to use live lusers << Pull request to Bitcoin Core GitRub?	[01:04]
asciilifeform	how could be otherwise !	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	ikr?	[01:04]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: where to get'em is b/w you and the godz	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	the godz of metal.	[01:04]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:04]
asciilifeform	'the gods of the copybook headings' (tm) (r) (kipling!)	[01:04]
asciilifeform	>> http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm <<	[01:05]
assbot	Poems - 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings' ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIOaBE )	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vsi2B8F0R8/VbRFXBfZSSI/AAAAAAAAEhA/WJN0RBxajnI/s1600/Panic%2BRoom%2BBar%2BRescue.jpg	[01:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IIOccQ )	[01:05]
*	assbot gives voice to pete_dushenski	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ftr, everyone worth talking to is in point of fact +ev in prisno.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	talk to someone who's ever done any time. there's a ton of mexicans doing time in us prisons to make money for their family bacvk home.	[01:06]
asciilifeform	that's only +ev if $1/day is money somewhere you come from	[01:07]
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mircea_popescu	actually i would guess currently the earned income this way is about 12-15kish a year.	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	liquid tho.	[01:08]
asciilifeform	see also the other 'jail', http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-05-2015#1119753	[01:08]
assbot	Logged on 04-05-2015 18:55:44; ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living	[01:08]
asciilifeform	'In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,	[01:10]
asciilifeform	By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;	[01:10]
asciilifeform	But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,	[01:10]
asciilifeform	And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."'	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	decimation they';re not capable of it. there's this very insistently nursed delusion among white useless usians that somehow some types of work are "below" them in the sense that OF COURSE they could do it. not so. alf has it : fuck you for "being able to" put the fries in the frier once. do it every day forever.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	so no. they are not capable, of any kind of work.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	not capable of intellectual work because not smart enough.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	not capable of labour because not patient enough.	[01:12]
*	assbot gives voice to TheNewDeal	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	the only work they're capable of is reddit shitslinging, and there's a ton of dudes doin that cheaper and better already. easily 100x what's needed anyway.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	also - programmer is not a craftsman. "programmer" is the boy equivalent of the "artsy" chick. one does stupid shit and "sells it" on etsy, the other does stupid shit and "sells it" on github	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	the difference is absolutely nil.	[01:13]
asciilifeform	again with reddit php == programming notion	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	this is what it is.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	talk to a recent cs graduate.	[01:14]
gernika	mircea_popescu I thought all usians dipped fries in the frier as teens or college students at least. Do the younger ones not go through that anymore?	[01:14]
asciilifeform	does mircea_popescu need working komputermaschinen for anything?	[01:14]
TheNewDeal	manual labor is an option as well	[01:14]
asciilifeform	or is he happy with gefingerpoken	[01:15]
asciilifeform	and the 'recent graduate' - straight to the furnace, yes	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	gernika: Not enough jobs to hire them all for it	[01:15]
asciilifeform	doesn't change what programming/medicine/bridge-building ~is~	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	gernika is it a patently retarded idea to buy "restaurant". a restaurant is not a box of candies. if you haven't spent a decade working in one, you have no business OWNING one.	[01:15]
asciilifeform	butbut want moneyz for having moneyz!	[01:15]
asciilifeform	like ted turner!	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	bar. pizzeria. thjeir mother on a stick.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	fucking country was full to the brim of bad pink collar places like that badly run by inept cocklets who had somehow imagined they run themselves.	[01:16]
TheNewDeal	offer is still on the record for those interested in the bitcoin no over 350 bezzlers. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1221804	[01:17]
assbot	Logged on 02-08-2015 01:07:52; TheNewDeal: I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable	[01:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'Meanwhile everyone else continues to practice medicine as best the means available allow also, but according to what the knowledge of the time allows. And everyone else is going to be the professionals in the field of medicine in Sicily cca 1200, whereas our teleported professional is just going to be a quaint curio, undistinguishable and undistinguished from the weird old lady making pretty young things swall	[01:19]
asciilifeform	ow live frogs whole, fresh out of the swamp, for her own perverse enjoyment of seeing the young sluts suffer. Hey, it cured Sue's pregnancy, it did! What spontaneous abortion, what coincidence, are you from like the future ?' << this is, as often is, not the complete story. there ~were~ folks who made a reputation for actually curing something	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	gernika also all usians dipped their cock in pussy juice in college. afaik not done anymore.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	gernika, mircea_popescu: actually this is still sop. i am the odd man out among my circle for ~never~ having done a lick of honest work	[01:20]
asciilifeform	(in the sense of 'deep fryer')	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	you're too old for this discussion.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	talk to 20 yos.	[01:22]
asciilifeform	hm	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	and yes, sure there were folks who made a reputation. then as now.	[01:23]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2014#876727 see also	[01:23]
assbot	Logged on 16-10-2014 00:01:42; asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	obama has a reputation for bringing nobel peace, and paracelsus had a reputation for curing spiritual warts.	[01:23]
asciilifeform	ain't talking of xerxes's reputation for subduing the ocean with whip	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	but necessarily you are.	[01:24]
asciilifeform	because we haven't a chronoscope? possibly.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	and because who at the time is going to be your ossasepia.	[01:24]
asciilifeform	or possibly a few folks actually knew 'just enough to be dangerous'	[01:24]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223301 << not dollar value, however. but yes.	[01:26]
assbot	Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman \| trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223358 << lawl.	[01:27]
assbot	Logged on 03-08-2015 19:39:51; kakobrekla: fluffypony mp is a safe bet	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	seriosly, i'd like to point out the pattern of it. clearly the guy is buying tailings, ie, overflow traffic/whatever's available to fit his budget. ends up with what overflows.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	i'm quite flattered, honestly. to think someone hates my shit enough that he's willing to spend to mess with it for part of a day likely more than what people paid to read it in its entire history...	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	it's its own, special brand of compliment.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	sorta like the situation of a spy, really - the enemy is willing to spend millions to nail him, whereas his own team has to be fought for a 10k allocation sort of deal.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	usg 'drop ten million rocket to nail a camel' is generous !	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	something like that, but really this looks more like butthurt noob "with connections"	[01:31]
asciilifeform	and 'his own team has to be fought for 10k' is for the same fundamental reason that a programmer who saves a $maxint reactor gets a $smallint bonus for his trouble	[01:31]
asciilifeform	or perhaps is simply fired slightly later	[01:31]
asciilifeform	or why the food-lever-operator chimp gets a slightly weaker beating as his 'salary'	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	dumb way to run things.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	i know of nothing which was ever run in any other way.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	could exist, perhaps!	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	i never ran things in that dumb manner.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	like island of stability somewhere ten metres below the known mendeleev table	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	also, japan didn't.	[01:33]
asciilifeform	no?	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	you save reactor - you get it. it's yours now.	[01:33]
asciilifeform	only if blue blood	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	has its failings, but at least it's fun to be in.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	nah. if "blue blood" i nthe sense of, willing to put up a fucking banner.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	or w/e they use.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	it's also a dumb system, for the record. tho perhaps less dumb and certainly dumb for different reasons.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	(to understand why it's dumb - imagine your prize for rescuing drowning damsel is the damsel. what if you don't want damsels, just enjoy swimming ?)	[01:35]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:35]
asciilifeform	american system is even more 'interesting':	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	it broadly sunk the shogunate at any rate.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	your 'reward' is the damsel's menstrual output	[01:36]
asciilifeform	and little else	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	heh	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	draw out this simile for my benefit, i dun follow.	[01:36]
TheNewDeal	!down TheNewDeal	[01:36]
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asciilifeform	worker bee gets the 'responsibility' but not the mega-cashout if the thing sells	[01:36]
asciilifeform	work weekends, nights - sure	[01:37]
asciilifeform	for... 0.1 % of $maybe.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	ah.	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	shinohai : buncha other people are running eulora with gallium 4.0, incl on llvmpipe. that wouldn't likely be it.	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	shinohai but you're the only one wioth mesa < 10. so that'd likely be it.	[01:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: to pound in the last nail (for now) in the subject: razi, avicenna, et al had it easy compared to modern folk: they could at least charge the rich folks of their time for providing something superficially like working medicine	[01:40]
asciilifeform	but no one will pay for, e.g., de-drepperization of bitcoin	[01:40]
asciilifeform	because 'who the fuck pays for sunlight'	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	you're model of how these guys' lives worked is really very bad you know.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	my model is based on the same almost-nonexistent record as everybody else's ...	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	in the case of avicenna it's not that bad, and a ton has been done to try and figure out his context.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	HOLY SHIT	[01:44]
asciilifeform	did anyone else spot the boojum in the mempool mechanism ?	[01:44]
asciilifeform	revealed by the most recent experiment i suggested	[01:44]
asciilifeform	looks like...	[01:45]
asciilifeform	boost map stuctures DON'T FREE MEMORY when they lose members.	[01:45]
asciilifeform	THIS is why, e.g., orphanage limits did nothing	[01:46]
asciilifeform	who does not believe, is welcome to go and try the experiment in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000142.html	[01:46]
assbot	[BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Mempool Jettison Trigger ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6ec1q )	[01:46]
*	asciilifeform head-desks	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	they only free when destroyed yes	[01:50]
asciilifeform	except they don't	[01:50]
asciilifeform	perhaps instead of waiting for this finding, mircea_popescu ought to have paid a nickel to an interchangeable chunk of protoplasm from 'fiverr' or 'etsy' to discover it.	[01:50]
asciilifeform	given as 'all programming is same'	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	ask anyone if what you're doing is programming and let me knopw what they say.	[01:50]
asciilifeform	just asked woman. said 'yes'	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	damn.	[01:50]
asciilifeform	'on account of, what else is it'	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	well... there goes that argument.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	though she as often describes it as 'the war'	[01:51]
asciilifeform	in the sense of something i might conceivably one day 'come back from'	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	fat hope.	[01:51]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:51]
asciilifeform	http://www.lyricsfreak.com/d/denis+leary/lifes+gonna+suck_20234052.html << obligatory	[01:52]
assbot	Life's Gonna Suck Lyrics - Denis Leary ... ( http://bit.ly/1P2oDEo )	[01:52]
asciilifeform	'You're gonna be a giant mess	[01:52]
asciilifeform	When you get back from the war'	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	i don't think you were that unmessy to begin with anyway.	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	proof : couldn't get even mcdonalds job.	[01:53]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:53]
asciilifeform	was even turned away at a bicycle repair pit	[01:54]
asciilifeform	(among other)	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	and you wanted to be my side of the street bicycle powered knife sharpener!	[01:54]
asciilifeform	those don't have to be hired by a boss, all they gotta do is not scare folks away and sharpen	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	in other news - ima point out to our esteemed us smoking colleagues that actual habanero montecristos are about a dime a dozen here.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	dogs smoke them	[01:55]
asciilifeform	habanero, as with pepper ?	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	ie from havana, cuba.	[01:55]
asciilifeform	ah	[01:55]
*	asciilifeform clearly needs sleep	[01:56]
*	asciilifeform bbl	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/03/no-you-dont-understand-elite-discontent/ << that first quote made me lose interest in the dood.	[01:57]
assbot	No, you don’t understand elite discontent. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ66Pi )	[01:57]
pete_dushenski	rightly so.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	really, that's what he got out of whatever summary he read, that plato lamented writing. probably because "he despised poor people"	[01:58]
pete_dushenski	i was feeling soldiery today so i... soldiered on.	[01:58]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: he actually admitted to reading summaries	[01:59]
pete_dushenski	that's not even a joke.	[01:59]
pete_dushenski	in the footnotes of his original he cited motherfucking summaries written by contemporary tards	[01:59]
pete_dushenski	Venkatesh Rao is some kinda troll.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	he was "being ironic", in current pop-parlance. had plato in fact and earnestly "bemoaned progress" played straight, he'd have complained about the innovation of allowing teen boys not be raped (mostly championed by socrates, for that matter).	[02:00]
pete_dushenski	he was being pseudo-intellectual and name-dropping like the thinly veiled charlatanic 'progressive' he is.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	http://sexpr.sourceforge.net/ << check it out. someone should add regexp	[02:02]
assbot	sfsexp home page ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ6Cg2 )	[02:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2576 @ 0.00053817 = 1.3863 BTC [+]	[02:02]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: and you're right. plato's lamentation of oral storytelling clearly wasn't his most serious gripe with technology	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	he was making a point. which point incidentally stands,	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	except apparently doesn't stand too well to the reading of barely literate goats bereft of the time to comprehend context.	[02:04]
pete_dushenski	"What we - and yes, I include myself firmly in this much despised camp – view as degeneracy are the expected developments ; that is, the highly predictable and completely foreseeable destruction wrought by making good things “accessible” and “easy-to-use.”" << this is what stands from plato's lament	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	you gotta appreciate plato's personal history.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	not only was the man part of a b-a of his time, but they actually took power.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	and then fucked everything up.	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	vividly.	[02:05]
pete_dushenski	well, he was assumed too much rationality in man, no ?	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	who even knows.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	whatever the fuck happened there is still an open question.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!	[02:08]
pete_dushenski	or just more alpaca socks to buy.	[02:09]
gernika	pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah, im sure that's what it is.	[02:09]
pete_dushenski	gernika: can't say i am. link ?	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	gernika are you like, the most well read of us on the people we don't like ?	[02:10]
gernika	pete_dushenski: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/the-gervais-principle/	[02:10]
assbot	The Gervais Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1MJ7q4B )	[02:10]
pete_dushenski	i honestly just stumbled across this rao dude today and he happened to serve up the right fodder at the right moment. so i fired, fired, fired away.	[02:10]
gernika	mircea_popescu: somehow they lead me here. They got me thinking at least. Or at least trying to.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	it's not a crime by any means. as they say, there's a blessing for everything	[02:12]
pete_dushenski	is gernika also a pro on twobitidiot and tim swanson ?	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	perfection in any field's still a perfection.	[02:12]
gernika	pete_dushenski sadly unfamiliar with their work. I totally missed out on the tardstalk madness.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	what man buys a goat that is already milking a cow.	[02:13]
pete_dushenski	gernika: eh, they're more twitterati ftr, for what little difference that makes.	[02:13]
pete_dushenski	and you're really NOT missing out.	[02:15]
gernika	pete_dushenski anyway I admit I was fond of the Gervais Principle, and it gave me a model to try and think about wtf executives and managers do all day.	[02:15]
pete_dushenski	though they each earned a contravex article in their respective heydeys.	[02:15]
pete_dushenski	heh. 7.3 gh/s gets you 10.5% of the ethereum mining power and the top individual miner spot.	[02:16]
pete_dushenski	gernika: i'll give it a peek here.	[02:17]
gernika	pete_dushenski: cool. I think my problem with Rao now is that he bases the Gervaise Principle off of The Office which was written by kids like B.J. Novak - and how the hell does he know anything about what executives do? He may, I just don't see how he got the knowledge.	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	wait a second. you're not seriously trying to understand "what executives do" by reading bloggers' commentary on tv shows ?!	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	this is almost like trying to understand whether alf is a programmer by asking his girlfriend whether he likes the eggs runny.	[02:21]
gernika	mircea_popescu I had hopes, yes.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[02:22]
pete_dushenski	this is pure rao.	[02:22]
pete_dushenski	'understanding an eagle's viewpoint by living as a worm in dirt'	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway. have you happened to at any point notice the similarity between the "companies promoite the wrong people - not me!" and the usual complaint trhe same people make about women "they fuck jerks instead of seeing how much of a great sense of humor i have" ?	[02:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12757 @ 0.00051944 = 6.6265 BTC [-] {3}	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	because it's dunning-kruger all through. the dumbass who sucks at life can't correctly evaluate wqhat the people better than him are doing so they ARE better than him. and so he doesn't understand why they get promoted and laid.	[02:24]
pete_dushenski	"my betters suck, they just can't see it like i do"	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	right.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	all these complex (wholly self-contained) mind games to hack the girls panties from offa her fanny	[02:25]
gernika	mircea_popescu on top of that he argues its not even worth being promoted	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	as if she wouldn't just take them off herself anyway	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	gernika or gettinglaid. sure. EGHOW!	[02:25]
pete_dushenski	no perspective, some imagination, and poof, magical stories that conveniently assuage the ego.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	employees going their own way!	[02:26]
pete_dushenski	gernika: "no one NEEDS a ferrari anyways, they're just for showing off"	[02:27]
gernika	lol!	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	well this is much true.	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	also nobody needs to be six foot tall.	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	anyway! this is enouigh for me tonight gents. have a great one.	[02:27]
pete_dushenski	bon soir mp	[02:28]
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pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbIlLmCID5g	[02:57]
assbot	The 100 Greatest Movie Threats of All Time - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1g3dYgJ )	[02:57]
BingoBoingo	Only in East Saint, the body on the road being a carjacking ruse is more novel than there being a body on the road http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article29695969.html	[03:03]
assbot	ESL Police warn: Body on road could be carjacking ruse \| Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNcfcG )	[03:03]
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BingoBoingo	!up Hasimir	[03:13]
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BingoBoingo	!up Belxjander	[03:13]
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BingoBoingo	!up TheRealJohnGalt	[03:13]
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pete_dushenski	;;later tell mircea_popescu "can be ridden for a lot of mileage, and simlarly"	[03:22]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:22]
pete_dushenski	also, "enligthened restraint"	[03:24]
pete_dushenski	also also, "established throgh counting"	[03:26]
Belxjander	thank you for the temp voice...	[03:28]
pete_dushenski	Belxjander: and who might you be ?	[03:40]
pete_dushenski	!gettrust Belxjander	[03:40]
assbot	Belxjander is not registered in WoT.	[03:40]
Belxjander	what the hell does it mean I'm not in the WoT	[03:44]
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pete_dushenski	!up Belxjander	[03:44]
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Belxjander	pete a guy living in Japan who has been reading here a long time	[03:44]
pete_dushenski	Belxjander: then you must be joking about not knowing what the wot means if you've been 'reading here a long time'	[03:45]
pete_dushenski	!h	[03:45]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[03:45]
Belxjander	I'm in the middle of moving so don't really have time to mess with everything until after getting network access sorted at the new place	[03:45]
pete_dushenski	either way, read that link there and follow along.	[03:46]
Belxjander	pete I'm not saying that... I'm surprised the bot can't find me in the WoT	[03:46]
pete_dushenski	also, obligatory : http://www.contravex.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/	[03:46]
assbot	Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1JJrOAG )	[03:46]
pete_dushenski	;;gettrust Belxjander	[03:46]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user Belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pete_dushenski&dest=Belxjander \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Belxjander \| Rated since: Wed Dec 4 14:43:24 2013	[03:46]
pete_dushenski	aha. you're in the old gribble wot.	[03:47]
pete_dushenski	you also need to register in the new assbot wot	[03:47]
pete_dushenski	and you're friends with usagi !	[03:47]
pete_dushenski	bwahaha now there's a badge of dishonour.	[03:47]
Belxjander	then I'll screengrab this for now and get to that sometime after getting online at my new address then	[03:48]
pete_dushenski	no matter. just get in the new wot	[03:48]
Belxjander	okay...as soon as I can then...preferably with my desktop and not from this tablet and rpi-znc setup	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Now, you aren't still running OS X anywhere are you	[03:49]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: sure i am.	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	You read qntra today right?	[03:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5802 @ 0.00051944 = 3.0138 BTC [-] {2}	[03:50]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: actually, just now. i read about that flaw a day or two ago.	[03:50]
pete_dushenski	what, you think i run the latest ?? pah.	[03:50]
BingoBoingo	It is a pretty big, pretty intentional seemign Drepperization	[03:51]
pete_dushenski	i may be stupid in my choice of os, but not THAT stupid.	[03:51]
pete_dushenski	Belxjander: cool beans.	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: It's never to late to embrace OS 9	[03:52]
pete_dushenski	i really should have a machine running that.	[03:53]
pete_dushenski	just for kicks	[03:53]
pete_dushenski	and diversity !	[03:53]
BingoBoingo	And to see what could have been	[03:54]
pete_dushenski	i sorta remember it. i ran it on my first g3 tower iirc	[03:55]
BingoBoingo	ah	[03:56]
Belxjander	using AmigaOS 4.1Final on my desktop myself... definitely niche..	[03:58]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223127 <<< as much as i'd like to fuck a different woman each night, i usually settle for a tissue.. who knows maybe i'll get lucky on the weekend when/if i try to get the foundation's client up and running	[04:02]
assbot	Logged on 03-08-2015 14:06:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223002 << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything	[04:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00051943 = 4.3372 BTC [-] {4}	[04:08]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223409 <<< the guides help but isn't enough to get it over the line for me so until i can build it by myself, i'm stuck using what is available to me	[04:24]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 00:28:01; mircea_popescu: the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.	[04:24]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223464 <<< i called this in pm months ago!	[04:30]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 01:08:38; BingoBoingo: Can't tell if real or fake https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fottn/cointelegraphcom_is_shutting_down_cutting_all/	[04:30]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: I can't go leaking seekrits though	[04:31]
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BingoBoingo	Pattypan squash coming in heavy this year	[04:46]
shinohai	CoinTelegrapgh lel	[04:51]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223457 was half a bitcoin per shitplatform. and lel "running the compiler"	[04:56]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 00:51:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223213 << iirc you got a bitcoin for running the windows compiler, and didn't even get pushed to do the os/x or die. my memory betrayin' me or something ?	[04:56]
jurov	if it was, you'd have folks waiting in line	[04:57]
punkman	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223301 << not dollar value, however. but yes. << exactly. I get immense value from Luxor meat-wot, but it will never be in dollars.	[04:58]
assbot	Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman \| trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing	[04:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00051943 = 3.0387 BTC [-]	[04:58]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223776 << same here. and I go to that stupid restaurant at 00:40, there's 4-5 tables still waiting for food, but the motherfucker has the nerve to say "sorry kitchen's closed".	[05:07]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 04:16:26; mircea_popescu: romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT	[05:07]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223913 << I liked it back in 2009, and it seemed slightly derpy then. but I can no longer read Rao's markov output.	[05:15]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 05:10:01; gernika: pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?	[05:15]
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cazalla	BingoBoingo, sounds yum.. i'm just about ready to get some spring veg into the seed propogator (warm mat and shit)	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	ah	[05:24]
cazalla	either this coming weekend or next	[05:25]
BingoBoingo	cool	[05:25]
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Adlai	dat irc_smart_filter	[05:37]
BingoBoingo	lol	[05:41]
shinohai	LTC:USD sell = 4.20, buy = 4.21, last = 4.20; high = 4.36, low = 4.09, avg = 4.22 \|\| via BTC-e on 2015-Aug-04 08:43:07 Z	[05:42]
shinohai	ltc @ 4.20 hue	[05:43]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1223743 <<< is that the local strip joint you like? :P	[06:06]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 04:05:52; BingoBoingo: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2vsi2B8F0R8/VbRFXBfZSSI/AAAAAAAAEhA/WJN0RBxajnI/s1600/Panic%2BRoom%2BBar%2BRescue.jpg	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: Nah, just beautiful vandalism	[06:06]
jurov	!t m f.mpif	[06:15]
assbot	Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.	[06:15]
punkman	every time ^	[06:15]
jurov	!t m s.mpoe	[06:18]
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jurov	!t m x.eur	[06:19]
assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00383327 / 0.00383327 / 0.00383327 (15 shares, 0.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00366423 / 0.00378283 / 0.00388112 (866 shares, 3.28 BTC), 30D: 0.0035 / 0.00394028 / 0.00430612 (7173 shares, 28.26 BTC)	[06:19]
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shinohai	https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3flyi2/bitlicense_new_york_cronyism_state_of_mind/ctpzkrv	[08:03]
assbot	BitLicense: New York Cronyism State of Mind : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNCno3 )	[08:03]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-claimed-he-rammed-st-louis-police-car-for-the/article_fed4cbc2-24d1-585c-a2d4-2ab5f853644d.html	[09:15]
BingoBoingo	^ Police grabbed him, and as they were arresting him, Labriado yelled several times that "This is for the black people!"	[09:16]
shinohai	fight the power	[09:16]
punkman	too bad he didn't have a bulldozer	[09:17]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223206	[09:18]
assbot	Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:30; ascii_field: ^ somebody buy this man a small airplane.	[09:18]
BingoBoingo	Well we are coming up on the one year anniversary of Ferguson going up in flames.	[09:20]
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mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski heh the editor's getting belted.	[10:50]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust belxjander	[10:53]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=belxjander \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=belxjander \| Rated since: Wed Dec 4 14:43:24 2013	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust belxjander	[10:53]
assbot	belxjander is not registered in WoT.	[10:53]
mircea_popescu	;;later tel belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.	[10:54]
gribble	Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.	[10:54]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[10:54]
mircea_popescu	llol, ddosing qntra now ?	[10:55]
BingoBoingo	looks like it.	[10:56]
BingoBoingo	Was a bit slow earlier it seemed. Just now reaching the inaccessible phase	[10:57]
BingoBoingo	In other news look which forum/dice derp is apparently no frozen to death in Canada https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1142879	[10:57]
assbot	KLYEMAX T-Shirt Fundraiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSaiu )	[10:57]
fluffypony	lol	[10:58]
fluffypony	inb4 KLYE'S ICE COLD CAM GIRLS	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	qntra comin' back on in 3..2..1..	[10:58]
asciilifeform	http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/24/youtube-us-drone-teenager-arrested << lulziez	[10:58]
assbot	US teen behind gun-wielding drone arrested (Wired UK) ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSnlD )	[10:58]
mircea_popescu	aww	[10:59]
BingoBoingo	For the archive https://archive.is/EbbYR	[10:59]
assbot	KLYEMAX T-Shirt Fundraiser ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDSuOd )	[10:59]
asciilifeform	~not for the stunt itself~	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	Malwarebytes reports (archived) that a vulnerability in Apple's latest version of OS X which was reported to exist last month on Stefan Esser's blog (archived) is now appearing on malware in the wild.	[10:59]
mircea_popescu	da fuck, why are they so slow ?	[10:59]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it was an escalator, not a remote 0day	[10:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: It really only appears to have been spotted in use because some braindead adware used it on sudoers	[11:00]
asciilifeform	hence pretty useless except as part of something else	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	a	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	Malwarebytes only noticed the flaw being actively exploited because a particular piece of adware had edited the sudoers file on a testing environment << lmao.	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	ad industry, still driving force behind 0day innovation.	[11:00]
asciilifeform	'The teenage mechanical engineering student, who set up the killer machine as part of college class project, was charged with two counts of assault, interfering with a police officer and failure to obey an officer's signal, after refusing to turn himself in on an outstanding warrant and attacking the officers in question "repeatedly".'	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	they don't get enough credit for this.	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	everyone just thinks "oh, porn".	[11:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i'd expect by now most of the "no go" zones openly advertise "see a cop ? kill a cop" policies.	[11:01]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo " The severity of the flaw though is such that when triggered it can edit any file on the affected machine including files." wtf is that mean	[11:02]
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BingoBoingo	missing word, will fix	[11:02]
BingoBoingo	two words "executable system" goes before last files	[11:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov no! RUNNING THE COMPILER! :D	[11:04]
BingoBoingo	And qntra gets DDoS resurgent when update post button is hit	[11:04]
mircea_popescu	Rao's markov output. << i wonder if this is the necessary fate of all long running "idea" blogs on the internets.	[11:05]
mircea_popescu	obviously this is a poorly researched field, for lack of substance to study. but particularly interesting to me for the obv reasons	[11:06]
BingoBoingo	Well you are creating a dataset. Probably bought yourself some time with the language switch.	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	if that's it ima move to fucking french next.	[11:07]
mircea_popescu	would you still read me if i was in french ?	[11:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'я русский бы выучил только за то что им разговаривал ленин' (TM) (R)	[11:08]
mircea_popescu	(tbh, i think i'm buying a lot of time with my willingness to engage the frivolous, but maybe i'm just reading ideology into reality)	[11:08]
BingoBoingo	Might read in French	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sadly my russian's not nearly good enough to actually write in it	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	now THAT's a way to embarass oneself...	[11:09]
asciilifeform	everybody laughs at the esperantists for a century, but this is kinda why they do it	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	"considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"	[11:09]
asciilifeform	bozo shield.	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	no.fucking.way.	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	wake me up when there's a 500 year tradition of prison culture in esperanto.	[11:10]
asciilifeform	it's a planetoid, not a planet.	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	wake me up when you can go through an entire conversation in huyesperanto	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	planetoids hold no atmosphere.	[11:10]
mircea_popescu	langage breathes.	[11:10]
BingoBoingo	Well the best time to start building 500 years of prison culture in Esparanto is Today. Next best time tomorrow.	[11:11]
asciilifeform	thing is, once big enough to have prisoners, big enough to be 95% derp by weight	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	actual best timne is never.	[11:11]
asciilifeform	like engl.	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform russian is 95% derp by weight too	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	that's not the criteria.	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	the criteria is, whether the remaining 5% are entusiastically sucking the cock or not.	[11:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not as strong a tradition there - yet - of 'everybody gets to write'	[11:11]
mircea_popescu	that may seem like the driver of language shittyfication but it is not.	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	languages go to shit for two reasons. the main one is, elite being humble. the secondary one is, no nation.	[11:12]
mircea_popescu	languages spoken by proud elites of actual nations do greatr. whether the pride is justified or not, and irrespective of what it does to the country otherwise.	[11:12]
chetty	nation as a thing is rapidly turning into history	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	not that rapidly.	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	the once great french nation is going the way of all other failed experiments - austro-hungarian, united-statesian, whatever.	[11:13]
mircea_popescu	the chinese are doing fine, the russians are doing fine, even the fucktarded greeks or romanians are doing fine.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	nationo-language wise at least.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that.	[11:15]
chetty	greeks wont last long, neither will Romania since they are in eu	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	i don't know the greek situation well enough to quote chapter and verse past the general impression, but as to romanian i can sign you a warrant. robotzi is strictly sufficient proof, for decades, perhaps a century.	[11:15]
BingoBoingo	heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that. << It didn't survive. They found a corpse and built around it.	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	"de ce ?" (why ?) "de tot (forever). debarcader (drydock). de verde ce-i iarba (for grass is green). de treci codrii de arama (if you pass the bronze forrest (literary reference)). deranjat la ficat. (upset liver)."	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	that's it.,	[11:16]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what did you think survival was ?	[11:17]
BingoBoingo	I was under the impression survival didn't require resurection after dying on the cross	[11:17]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: tone poemz ?	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	(actually the correct quote is "Foca:De ce? Mo:De tot, debarcader, de verde, ce-i iarba, de maine incepand, de treci codrii de arama, de departe, vezi aproape, destoinic, deranjat la ficat." but anyway)	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform spontaneous tone poemz by two kids making a random cartoon show out of their bedroom.	[11:18]
mircea_popescu	can stand up with fucking poe, and english doesn't just sprout forth poe when scraping its knees on the asphalt in a rollerblading accident	[11:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: we have this beat: http://img.1001mem.ru/posts_temp/14-05-09/3513007.jpg	[11:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IDWSwI )	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[11:19]
asciilifeform	^ these are all poems. in the style indicated above each (e.g., pushkin's)	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	but myeah. i am not the cunt's slightest fuck worried about assrussian.	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date.	[11:21]
asciilifeform	incidentally, anyone can learn to pronounce - with flavour! - these poemz	[11:22]
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asciilifeform	good exercise for folks who like languages but don't know ru yet	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	(anyway, lest the esl reader acquires the wrong impression from the logs - at issue is not that the thing was done, per se. at issue is HOW the thing is done. which is to say : shockingly unexpected, which requires a) a large body of work against which to expect pre-existend and b) a language strong enough to shock against that. these are plain impossible requisites in "reasonable" languages, and they can't be met by p	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	eople who stick together for "reasonable" reasons.)	[11:22]
asciilifeform	see also orlov re: english being a technical pidgin	[11:23]
asciilifeform	used by precisely the folks 'together for reasonable reasons'	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	this is why poetry worked back in the day the english aristrocracy imposed it on the masses, but esperanto and ebonics do not nor will ever work.	[11:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform aha.	[11:23]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date. << So did actual Greek, as did actual Fortran.	[11:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: to be clear, i won't recommend esperanto as a literary language. but will point out that it plays somewhat of the same role morse plays for 'hams', or sign language for the literate deaf. i.e. a ~shield against mainstream cultural poison~	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	wrong kind of shield.	[11:25]
asciilifeform	lets you have a little 'usenet' going. for a spell.	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	corporate job is idem "a shield" for usian fucktards, like working "for the govtr" was a shield that still got germans hung and soviets spat on.	[11:25]
mircea_popescu	i suppose the greatest mysetery of life is that there are shields you want and shields you do not want.	[11:25]
asciilifeform	castle != jail	[11:25]
asciilifeform	(though a jail can be inside a castle, yes)	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	all castle contains a jail.	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter versailles (which is how and why french died) was not a castle, but a jail.	[11:26]
mircea_popescu	i suppose phillipe equalite is the patron saint of dead languages.	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	once he appears, it's the end.	[11:27]
asciilifeform	some shields may cost more than they are worth. but i argue that not-having-britney-spears-in-your-language is worth ~something~ culturally	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	nononon	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	not a matter of cost.	[11:27]
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asciilifeform	just like not having had tumblr pheminism in a language yet, is a great cultural asset	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	some shields are simply not worth having. period. for any cost. they mostly cost "0" anyway.	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not so.	[11:28]
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mircea_popescu	tumblr pheminism is a great strengthener. for a live one.	[11:28]
asciilifeform	recall the old thread about north kr?	[11:28]
mircea_popescu	bout 12 of em,...	[11:28]
asciilifeform	the world's only nation without mcdonalds	[11:28]
asciilifeform	and this may almost make up for everything else	[11:28]
asciilifeform	they will eat own shoes, yes. but not mcd	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	i do not see this.	[11:29]
asciilifeform	like a nature preserve	[11:29]
asciilifeform	see the point of those ?	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	nature preserves are for dead animals.	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	and no i do not.	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	let them die.	[11:29]
asciilifeform	north kr (at least as seen from my distant perch) is a backup copy	[11:30]
asciilifeform	of civilization prior to mcd.	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	hahaha no.	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	not unless you imagine the stale sandwich 3 months in your fridge is a "backup copy" of a sandwich	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	tell you what - if we ever lose sandwiching, ima reinvent it	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	and iom not using your pile of dog vomit.	[11:30]
asciilifeform	and prior to 'worth of individual' and other crocks of shit which have spilled since- everywhere	[11:30]
asciilifeform	it is an old, worm-eaten backup, yes	[11:31]
asciilifeform	but somewhere in it could be a usable kB or two.	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	you can't backup live things.	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	you know what ? there's a usable kb or two on github too	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	go. use.	[11:32]
asciilifeform	it's a culture without reddit and 'worth of indiviiiiidualz'	[11:32]
asciilifeform	gotta be worth something.	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	no, it is not.	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	it is a culture with a fucktarded, buggy, slow implementation of these	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	done by hand out of rice husks.	[11:32]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather see the best in all fields, including poisons.	[11:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu brings up interesting point. entirely possible that north kr will binge to death on reddit, like the red skinned man did on liquor, when the time comes	[11:33]
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mircea_popescu	what ELSE ?	[11:33]
asciilifeform	and on else	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	for them reddit IS the west, much like for yours truly, outlet store catalogues was	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	i was 10 at the time, but still.	[11:34]
asciilifeform	for me it was... the house in 'tom & jerry' !	[11:34]
asciilifeform	(among others)	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	same idea i guess.	[11:35]
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chetty	I wonder if being on the internet so much only makes you guys now see the 'west' as reddit and there just might be actual civilization out there if you get off the computers.	[11:36]
asciilifeform	chetty: there sure is! it lives in the library.	[11:37]
asciilifeform	and smells of mildew and horse glue	[11:37]
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asciilifeform	because stopped happenening around 1960 or so	[11:37]
asciilifeform	can't speak for others, but ~i~ still visit it.	[11:38]
mircea_popescu	chetty you'll probably get asked what asciilifeform got asked yesterday re "industry".	[11:38]
chetty	funny, I recall life before I lived on the computer, and it wasn't that long ago.	[11:38]
mircea_popescu	there still is this civilisation ? where ?	[11:38]
mircea_popescu	retirement homes, maybe. while that lasts.	[11:38]
asciilifeform	thing is, if something is alive inside an impenetrable bubble, it is not alive.	[11:39]
asciilifeform	the 'real programmerz' are not in such a bubble, in that you are interacting with them every time you flip the light switch or turn on the tap, or get into a '747'	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	cop out of major degree.	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	~I~ am not in a bubble, because i actually take untold hours each quarter to talk here.	[11:40]
asciilifeform	or run therealbitcoin, etc	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, everyone else in fucking finance pretty much is	[11:40]
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mircea_popescu	some, the brighter ones, are sort-of trying, twitter, what have you. maybe it works, who knows.	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	and if you wish you can say the same re programmers, and i'll buy it	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	but it also illustrates just how strained the melted cheese is	[11:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they aren't - as far as i can tell - talking	[11:40]
asciilifeform	'spartan speaks with his sword	[11:41]
asciilifeform	'	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	risky argument.	[11:41]
asciilifeform	because talking with the 'fresh grads' (much less the public at large) is increasingly a pearls/swine proposition	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	spartan may well speak with his sword, but this does not promise an easy translation.	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, computing is language.	[11:41]
asciilifeform	and this is felt, in the gut, by just about everyone	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	so let them wot.	[11:41]
asciilifeform	they wot	[11:42]
asciilifeform	it just doesn't include anybody under 50	[11:42]
asciilifeform	analogue wot.	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	understand	[11:42]
BingoBoingo	https://i.imgur.com/Jd3Ph70.jpg	[11:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1gHkw5y )	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	i made this point, vaguely, when we were discussing our own survival, in the form of "lordship lists" etc. but it stands - if you have a systematic closure you're in a bubble.	[11:42]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: wat	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	"nobody under 50" means bubble.	[11:42]
asciilifeform	aha	[11:42]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Cake	[11:43]
asciilifeform	it means 'that's it, we're done'	[11:43]
chetty	hahahaha the old dont trust anyone over 30 has morphed into don't talk to anyone under 50	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	so it does.	[11:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4639 @ 0.00051087 = 2.3699 BTC [+]	[11:45]
asciilifeform	nobody has yet invented the machine for turning mental 'bonsai kitten' into a full-grown animal.	[11:45]
asciilifeform	folks who grew up with javascript in microshit exploder as 'programming' - are lost.	[11:45]
asciilifeform	quite likely - permanently.	[11:46]
asciilifeform	ditto folks who grew up with 'climatocalypse' and 'string theory' as 'physics'	[11:46]
asciilifeform	they are also write-offs.	[11:46]
asciilifeform	like the sicilian doctors circa 1200 from mircea_popescu's article	[11:46]
asciilifeform	not 1 in 1000 is salvageable.	[11:47]
asciilifeform	modern 'west' works the way it works by narrowing the victim's horizon in such a way that from the day he is born, sees entire world only through own arsehole	[11:48]
asciilifeform	knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ?	[11:48]
asciilifeform	i can already hear, mircea_popescu will say, 'with your cock'	[11:49]
asciilifeform	to which i answer 'go to the harem and come back with why tx is not deallocated when mapTransactions is emptied'	[11:50]
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punkman	from my spam folder: "Get paid like Seinfeld‏"	[12:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43161 @ 0.00051087 = 22.0497 BTC [+]	[12:58]
mircea_popescu	"i know hoiw to make sitcom successful in big way (like seinfeld) so please send me some pics of you" ?	[12:59]
punkman	nah, usual "make money while you sleep" fare	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	ok	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform long known, that machine. it consists of a belt and, as mo says, "totu-i din incheietura, ma, degeaba tot..."	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ? << i have an easy enough time, prequals : nude, nice tits, better ass, on knees.	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	works wunderbar.	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!	[13:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38650 @ 0.00050849 = 19.6531 BTC [-]	[13:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00051149 = 1.5856 BTC [+]	[13:18]
jurov	and that woman sure knew how to deallocate after, i spose	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	lol actually you should see hanbot these days, running containers and whatnot. you lot have ruined her.	[13:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54550 @ 0.00050777 = 27.6989 BTC [-] {4}	[13:33]
mod6	asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission	[13:34]
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mircea_popescu	http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-04.log.html#t16:24:41 << ima just leave this here.	[13:45]
assbot	#Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-08-04 ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqHvM5 )	[13:46]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224297 << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..)	[14:01]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission	[14:01]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224291 << was many things-ed by women	[14:02]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 16:03:01; mircea_popescu: to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!	[14:02]
decimation	ascii_field: did you know that openssl has a pure c implementation?	[14:02]
ascii_field	reimplementation ?	[14:02]
ascii_field	(in what sense would this be 'openssl' ?)	[14:03]
decimation	heh	[14:03]
ascii_field	or you mean the original? well no shit, c	[14:03]
decimation	remember how they have that 'we can load object code' functionality?	[14:03]
ascii_field	big phat news	[14:03]
*	ascii_field brainfarted, thought 'boost' for some reason	[14:03]
decimation	yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization	[14:04]
decimation	http://www.openssl.org/source/openssl-fips-2.0.tar.gz < the 'fips' source	[14:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DqMsV9 )	[14:04]
decimation	nevermind the fips shit, they ship a pure c implementatin for cross-platform stuff	[14:04]
ascii_field	snore	[14:05]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224314 << who, me? nope	[14:05]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 17:04:24; decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization	[14:05]
ascii_field	possibly mircea_popescu was retching at the use of intel 'aes accelerator' instruction	[14:06]
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mircea_popescu	not retching. simply not an option.	[14:06]
ascii_field	no shit	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	do that, mgith as well "store your private keys with keybase.io indacloud"	[14:07]
ascii_field	fwiw these don't even execute on my iron	[14:07]
ascii_field	(amd)	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	same cloud the brits store the islanders to create that .io in the firsat place.	[14:07]
jurov	rly amd does not support? even via does	[14:08]
ascii_field	jurov: not ~decade-old amd	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	well if decade old, not intel even	[14:08]
jurov	now i'm curious what alf thinks of via	[14:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00050531 = 3.7898 BTC [-]	[14:09]
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scoopbot_revived	Sunday, August 9th event : Auction! http://trilema.com/2015/sunday-august-9th-event-auction/	[14:20]
ascii_field	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3frn1d/satoshis_coins_have_not_moved_blockchaininfo_is << l0l (via diametric)	[14:24]
assbot	Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. Blockchain.info is dead! : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhY8Zo )	[14:24]
trinque	https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3frn1d/satoshis_coins_have_not_moved_blockchaininfo_is/ctradeg << Anduck	[14:28]
assbot	Anduckk comments on Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. Blockchain.info is dead! ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqRYai )	[14:28]
mod6	<+ascii_field> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224297 << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..) << will review, thx.	[14:29]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission	[14:29]
ascii_field	mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/569110/why-is-memory-still-accessible-after-stdmapclear-is-called	[14:30]
assbot	c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqSmp5 )	[14:30]
ascii_field	with extra lulzy part, that http://stackoverflow.com/a/569151 is catastrophically braindamaged and will segfault, guaranteed	[14:31]
assbot	c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( http://bit.ly/1IhZqnd )	[14:31]
ascii_field	(iterators are invalidated by deleting element)	[14:31]
trinque	hm wrong Anduck, nvm	[14:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20292 @ 0.0005053 = 10.2535 BTC [-] {2}	[14:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17908 @ 0.00050374 = 9.021 BTC [-] {3}	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	"A blockchain explorer has ONE JOB: to show its users valid blocks and transactions. Blockchain.info does not do this. It's worse than worthless; it's deceptive."	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	i agree. bc.i is a pile of useless css.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	irrespective of what "venture capital" it has wasted to date.	[14:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29435 @ 0.00051228 = 15.079 BTC [+] {4}	[14:55]
ascii_field	the whole notion of ten thousand people hanging off the teat of ~one~ node is braindamaged	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	they weren;t supposed to run one node	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile it turns out they lied,	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	and so forth.	[14:56]
ascii_field	all the turdation nodez may as well be one.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	there's a difference between these two situations.	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway. piuk can go dangle, i have very little respect left for his competence	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	technically, intellectual or otherwise	[14:58]
punkman	http://sockpuppet.org/blog/2015/08/04/is-extended-random-malicious/	[15:00]
assbot	Is Extended Random A Malicious NSA Plot? — Quarrelsome ... ( http://bit.ly/1InnpPs )	[15:00]
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ascii_field	finally, names ^^	[15:01]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu ^	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	aha	[15:02]
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ascii_field	'The U.S. Government has these special requirements that you wouldn’t understand. Since they’re a government, they needn’t explain themselves, and we’re not going to explain either.'	[15:03]
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punkman	"GnuTLS had support for OpaquePRF. Someone should ask Simon Josefsson why. OpaquePRF was very simple, so maybe he wrote it for sport."	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	fucking backwards	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	I don't need to explain myself.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	governments - do.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	they're the first ones that do.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	and wtf name is "Clyde Frog"	[15:04]
ascii_field	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Clyde+Frog <	[15:05]
assbot	Urban Dictionary: Clyde Frog ... ( http://bit.ly/1IW6sRL )	[15:05]
punkman	"If I call NSA “Clyde Frog” long enough, eventually other people will too. Someone has to start the meme! "	[15:05]
ascii_field	^	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	bullshit.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	and ftr, the nist ec crapolade was ALWAYS regarded as suspiciouys at best "by people in the business"	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	not "since snowden"	[15:06]
ascii_field	the question of 'what prng to use' has never differed from the question of what kind of animal's shit to smear in wounds	[15:07]
ascii_field	yes, medieval doctors may have debated, horse vs cow	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	anyway. i don;t know who this guy is and don't care what he [thinks he] may have to say on the topic.	[15:08]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: looks to me like he's trying to unearth names/faces	[15:08]
ascii_field	how well - can't say	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	there's going to be none of this "two bit idiot" http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ A/B-and-spam approach to "credibility"	[15:09]
assbot	How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you're talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1InoNBI )	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field he is starting in the wrong place and therefore may never succeed.	[15:09]
*	ascii_field does not know where 'right place' is, so won't comment	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	let me formalize this for reader's benefit.	[15:09]
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mircea_popescu	1. take a complex situation C about which propositions may be formed Pi which are decidably correct or false through a T(Px) function.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	2. take a list L of actors Lj , who decide (D) on which P to rely, and are scored by function S(Lx), according to the impact of their reliance on false P (which is uncomputable at all points before running S)	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	3. create a set S of twobitidiots Sk, who put forth statements Q about various P, so that the actual T(Q(Px)) is normally distributed over the list S.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	in this model, the fact that Sy displays any score on the basis of his past emitted Q is no proof of anything.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	in particular no trust or crediblity may attach to that record, for the simple reason that THAT IS HIS FUCKING JOB.	[15:13]
ascii_field	'stopped clock'	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	the entire list S exists so that "credible" S's can appear so that selected Ls can be fucked over.	[15:14]
ascii_field	like our german ?	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	which one ?	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	in any case : i am not valuing nor even reading "opinions" of anon folk ie Qs.	[15:15]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the 'phuctor debunked' german	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	specifically because if one of these is not open to challenge, he is ipso definition an S. and anons are ipso definitio not open to challenges	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field like the whole swathe of "bitcoin experts", and also like "cryptography experts" of the ilk of some nobody in particular running "socklpuppet.org"	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway. this argument is both too complex to be readily "intuited" by the children and also its results are deeply inconvenient to their wants and expectations (mostly of playing the spy and generalsly speaking "mattering" in their own head), and so i don't expect the S process to go away. it's prolly going to be productive enough to become a mode of "culture" on the interwebs.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	at the very margin, this discussion reduces to the discussion of al schwartz' lack of access to measuring processes, if you recall it.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	because yes, if science were "open to all comers" in this sense, it'd just get ddos'd into the shit by S's.	[15:19]
ascii_field	see also the maths profs shredding unsolicited fermat 'proofs' unread	[15:19]
ascii_field	(also in same thread iirc)	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[15:20]
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mircea_popescu	anyway. makes for great tumblr stars, goes splendid for an ama, can prolly retire to doing voice-overs for "did you know" factoid tv/nature show.	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	so it's a living, best of luck.	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	but derived from it, a decent pseudo-AI project would be to make a long list of propositions, sort them in a thousand or so lists (ie blogs) and "publish" "articles".	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	probably can live off the subscriptions.	[15:23]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the one twist is, as far as i can tell, most of these 'plowing flies' disinfo agents are... unpaid	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	which is why i propose to do the job with a computer. it's plowing, there's no reason to pay for it.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	let the tractor plow.	[15:23]
ascii_field	iirc already proposed in the mircea_popescu article re: reddit spam	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	lower lever there, but yeah.	[15:24]
ascii_field	also alan sokal	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	imo the entire menagerie, orlov, yarvin, whoi have you are simply doing this by hand	[15:24]
ascii_field	o & y don't really belong in the picture	[15:25]
ascii_field	(not that they are honest people, necessarily - but not shannonizers)	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field if you recall, i challenged orlov and he came out with "I am a robot doing the above".	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	literally.	[15:25]
ascii_field	wai when	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	when we discussed the "inflation in romania" factual error in one of his articles.	[15:26]
ascii_field	link ?	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	and i also challenged yarvin, who... kept silent.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	which i color to mean the above.	[15:26]
ascii_field	he's been silent entirely	[15:26]
ascii_field	for some years now	[15:26]
*	mircea_popescu goes to dig the link up	[15:26]
ascii_field	they started paying yarvin to shut the fuck up	[15:27]
ascii_field	recall ?	[15:27]
decimation	it didn't help	[15:27]
ascii_field	'helped' in the basic sense of 'no more mold buggered'	[15:27]
decimation	specifically I'm thinking of him being booted from that conference	[15:28]
decimation	where he was gonna talk about urbit	[15:28]
ascii_field	he probably got a stern talk about that	[15:28]
ascii_field	'you promised, no more sedition, recall?'	[15:28]
decimation	yeah but his blog was already dead for at least a year or two	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	holy shit i confused one blogspot for another!	[15:29]
decimation	'no more past either'?	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481156 << this is what i had in mind	[15:29]
assbot	Logged on 05-02-2014 03:57:45; mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you care, http://fofoa.blogspot.ro/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html is formally incorrect on the listing of romania	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	not orlov is it	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	dear peoiple : seriously, stop with the google blogs. you're indistinct.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise, i have to strike the foregoing. i never challenged orlov.	[15:30]
ascii_field	they keep blogs in public toilets, yes	[15:31]
ascii_field	for similar reason as to why mircea_popescu doesn't want to buy his isp trunk line	[15:31]
decimation	in yarvin's case I always thought it was attaching irony to google.com	[15:31]
decimation	but also because poor/cheap/google is 'free'	[15:32]
ascii_field	free timewise	[15:32]
ascii_field	many folks can't be arsed to administer a box	[15:32]
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decimation	as yarvin wrote: "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory."	[15:35]
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ascii_field	two basic but imho entirely separate problems with mr mold - a) he wasn't entirely mentally clean of usg to begin with ( most of mircea_popescu's observations fall into (a)) b) he was approached, as early as 2010, and told 'your crackpot os will be funded and you can sleep ad libitum, but there is a price'	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	jurov s.qntra shares added.	[15:37]
decimation	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZNzz4SaTYk	[15:37]
assbot	Los Angeles, November 2019 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKxv0G )	[15:37]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field i don't see anything directly wrong with that model.	[15:38]
ascii_field	it is my working hypothesis, at any rate	[15:38]
decimation	ascii_field: and if b happened it almost certainly was at the foot of peter thiel or one of his cronies	[15:38]
ascii_field	decimation: we more or less know it was thiel	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	what did he get anyway ? 20 billion ?	[15:39]
ascii_field	iirc is was south of 15m	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	if that bunch of watsap scammers got 20bn, i have no idea why anyone would take less than 10 bn a head from usg.	[15:39]
ascii_field	just enough to sleep ad libitum	[15:39]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: he took what was given	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	gotta keep up the prices.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	i never heard of anyone sleeping as you say through "Taking what was given"	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	ya know ?	[15:40]
ascii_field	the alternative package probably involved feeding his wife and children to pirannhas	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	heh. if only.	[15:40]
decimation	nah, just let inflation eat	[15:40]
ascii_field	he was, if anyone recalls, freshly broke	[15:40]
decimation	he did beg	[15:40]
ascii_field	after ~8 yrs of sleep-ad-libitum	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	wanna bet this one won't take 4 ?	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	those 8 years were started in a much better time for usg.	[15:41]
ascii_field	already 5	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	o ? well then!	[15:41]
decimation	well, given that his project has a gigantic red target painted on the side for all amateur-political enforcers	[15:41]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: he's part of the annointed caste now. if the dough runs out, can dilute the shares, etc	[15:41]
ascii_field	more or less ad infinitum	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:42]
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mircea_popescu	so i take it the leaky submarine's still being worked on ?	[15:42]
ascii_field	it is	[15:42]
ascii_field	i get daily crapolade in the mailbox still	[15:42]
ascii_field	(can't be arsed to read... for a while now)	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	tbh, it has all the makings of a great DoD "investment"	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	can't be made, most people can't figure out why.	[15:42]
ascii_field	missing important attributes for this	[15:43]
ascii_field	accessibility to flies	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	you did just say you get daily inbox flies ?	[15:43]
ascii_field	(not many flies are fluent with hindley-milner type system)	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	but SOME are. and if those are the ones you want...	[15:43]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: same 6 or so bozos working still	[15:43]
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decimation	he had some hire working in his closet I thought	[15:44]
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ascii_field	he had some bloke as live-in human compiler, aha	[15:44]
decimation	the spirit of the thing seems right: let's bail on the internet as it is a god foresaken hellhole	[15:45]
decimation	the problem is that computers as-existing are in the same box	[15:45]
ascii_field	it was never a good candidate for dod sc4m4tr0n because included too much of mr mold's 'thinking man likes to use his brain' masturbatronic element	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	the dod is changing.	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	us army used to consist of ... soldiers. now it's mostly acneic tomboys of indeterminate gender wanting to play counterstrike	[15:46]
decimation	it would have been interesting as a dod project back in 1980	[15:46]
ascii_field	decimation: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390 << see also.	[15:46]
assbot	Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )	[15:46]
decimation	yeah I've read it. I even attempted to learn urbit, before much good documentation was abvailable	[15:46]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8502 << can you translate this to some sort of english i might understand ?	[15:48]
assbot	Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyApd )	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	it seems more akin to some sort of performance act than speech.	[15:49]
ascii_field	the bozo comment ? nope	[15:49]
ascii_field	it was shannonizer all the way	[15:49]
ascii_field	classic style btw	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	i guess it must be ?	[15:49]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu ought to recognize it	[15:49]
ascii_field	'we just have different goalz!!'	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	my usual approach to reading text of unknown origin is not so different from the pagerank algorithm, whereas the meaning of discourse nodes (words, generally) is narrowed by the other nodes in the graph until the whole thing collapses into something.	[15:50]
scoopbot_revived	MPEx (S.MPOE) July 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpex-smpoe-july-2015-statement/	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	or fails in one of the well known modes.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	this thing just stays paste.	[15:50]
ascii_field	i can't translate, but can offer a barf bag.	[15:50]
*	ascii_field offers bag to mircea_popescu	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[15:51]
decimation	he links to a word-salad blog	[15:52]
decimation	"More: Understand that our teetering, broken, stringy technology stack was written by Boomers, mostly, and other people who didn't know any better. Charitably, the technology wasn't mature, though the luminaries and prophets of the era would vigorously disagree. We're inheriting it, along with the pride of a lifetime's work; rather than take it behind the barn and shoot it, let's gently put it out to pasture and ...	[15:52]
decimation	... emulation. "	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if this is related to the "feelings driven" pseudo cultural economy.	[15:52]
ascii_field	philippino!	[15:52]
jurov	mircea_popescu: one qntra share is missing, it makes together 10601, i got 10600	[15:55]
jurov	or, better, tye report is wrong?	[15:56]
jurov	yes, it's 11220 together	[15:56]
jurov	derp no,it's me	[15:57]
jurov	nevermind	[15:57]
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ascii_field	'SYSLINUX 4.06 EDD 4.06-pre12 Copyright (C) 1994-2012 H. Peter Anvin et al' << noticed today	[16:08]
ascii_field	(as pertaining to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-08-2015#1222148 )	[16:09]
assbot	Logged on 02-08-2015 16:29:55; mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.	[16:09]
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punkman	http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitdefender-suffers-data-breach-customer-records-stolen/ are these daily now	[16:25]
assbot	Bitdefender suffers data breach, customer records stolen \| ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKA6u6 )	[16:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42900 @ 0.00050342 = 21.5967 BTC [-]	[16:31]
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oglafbot	http://oglaf.com/nostrum/	[16:39]
oglafbot	http://oglaf.com/medallions/	[16:39]
assbot	Nostrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKBU6c )	[16:39]
assbot	Beef Medallions ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKBU6k )	[16:39]
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punkman	fucking ants everywhere digging holes through my walls, I think I need to call a professional	[17:37]
fluffypony	punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdKf3MneyI	[17:38]
assbot	Marvel's Ant-Man - Trailer 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SJZqV0 )	[17:38]
punkman	how the fuck do ants cut through concrete?	[17:39]
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jurov	they don't, they fly in	[17:40]
jurov	or it's not actually concrete but cardboard	[17:41]
punkman	wondering if they are building something like this in my walls http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vnFStMEUOl0/Tsp-BV8ew6I/AAAAAAAABG0/-M34xXmw1Y8/s1600/Nest+Archeo.jpg	[17:45]
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jurov	i prefer to wonder when they learn to live in symbiosis with spiders	[18:00]
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danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224509 << I was trying to figure out what this urbit dukedom thing was, in in so doing found this -> http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xB36AE9849D961AC9 << I met this guy at porcfest / he was the only one there who also had his GPG fingerprint on a business card; we signed eachothers keys :D	[18:28]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 18:46:36; assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKyhL9 )	[18:28]
assbot	Search results for '0xb36ae9849d961ac9' ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2GHtV )	[18:28]
danielpbarron	https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/urbit-dev/KNkFS_34P_I << this is him also selling his thingy	[18:28]
assbot	Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2GOpl )	[18:28]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[18:29]
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ascii_field	danielpbarron: fare is a well-known fella	[18:29]
ascii_field	from (back in the stone age!) the 'tunes' project	[18:29]
danielpbarron	i got my picture with him	[18:29]
ascii_field	which (i learned many years later) was quite like what i want to do, except that they did not (to my knowledge) understand hardware and - it involved a few dozen people (!) who agreed on virtually nothing	[18:30]
ascii_field	http://tunes.org << the ruins	[18:30]
assbot	TUNES OS/Language Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2H0EW )	[18:30]
ascii_field	he sold his almost immediately after i did, iirc	[18:32]
ascii_field	btc fell, so he got roughly 2x	[18:32]
ascii_field	or no, not quite	[18:32]
ascii_field	i asked for fixed bag, he - auctioned	[18:32]
ascii_field	(and btc fell)	[18:32]
ascii_field	(by how much - i don't recall)	[18:33]
ascii_field	https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/urbit-dev/for$20sale/urbit-dev/PvXo1t7uNrY/ik5e-9b-cNwJ << where i sold mine	[18:34]
assbot	Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Hpah )	[18:34]
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ascii_field	https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed	[18:35]
assbot	Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2HryV )	[18:35]
ascii_field	and l0l, they censored some of my posts	[18:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56216 @ 0.00051709 = 29.0687 BTC [+] {5}	[18:35]
ascii_field	but not the quoted text!	[18:35]
ascii_field	go figure.	[18:35]
ascii_field	'In what universe does it make cryptologic sense to keep an unchanging key around for years (decades? optimistically - centuries?) on end?' >> i said this to mr mold and i said it also to mpex !	[18:36]
ascii_field	and it bears repeating.	[18:37]
danielpbarron	http://i.imgur.com/4ZFQKYn.jpg << me and fare	[18:39]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MKVVJV )	[18:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00052503 = 25.674 BTC [+] {4}	[18:39]
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decimation	ascii_field: std::vector is enraging	[18:43]
ascii_field	https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados	[18:44]
assbot	Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Ioax )	[18:44]
decimation	there's no mechanism for "malloc" instead - only "calloc"	[18:44]
decimation	because apparently the c++ committee couldn't imagine a use case where you would like to allocate memory but would rather write to it yourself	[18:46]
danielpbarron	oh, on a somewhat related note: the reason I even met Fare was because I suspected that he was friends with one of my assassin targets (turned out to be false intel) so I struck a conversation with him to confirm or deny my suspicion	[18:47]
danielpbarron	(i met a LOT of people this way)	[18:47]
danielpbarron	i had tracked one of my targets down and found him in the main assembly space, and was prepared to follow him out (as you cannot kill someone under the roof of an offical event) but then I saw Fare walk in and I didn't want him to see me following the guy, so I walked up to him instead, and in so doing, lost my actual target :/	[18:49]
ascii_field	danielpbarron: he was a relatively early 'computer sucks and must be rebuilt' person. sadly, i've no idea what he is up to these days.	[18:49]
danielpbarron	well I gave him my card with my fingerprint and url to my website (that links mostly to b-a stuff)	[18:50]
danielpbarron	we also emailed eachother signed keys, and I told him to get in the WoT, but he hasn't replied to that	[18:51]
ascii_field	prolly for same reason al schwartz didn't	[18:51]
ascii_field	and, dollars to doughnuts, that reason is 'that place must be about bitcoin, i don't have any and how the everliving fuck would i ever get any, what am i to do there'	[18:51]
danielpbarron	i don't recall what I said to him, but I'm sure I explained the WoT as I did with most people I met there	[18:52]
ascii_field	notice the tidbit mircea_popescu spilled earlier: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223911	[18:53]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 05:09:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!	[18:53]
ascii_field	if this is so, it means that ~everyone who has subscribed to mpex~ is 'early adopter'	[18:53]
BingoBoingo	Oh printer ink market is dying http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-04/epson-is-about-to-solve-the-most-annoying-problem-with-inkjet-printers	[18:54]
assbot	Epson Is About to Solve the Most Annoying Problem With Inkjet Printers - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKYj3j )	[18:54]
ascii_field	BingoBoingo: nubbins` had this for years	[18:54]
ascii_field	but more generally, inkjet is a scam from day 1	[18:54]
ascii_field	there is not an elixir to make it into anything other than a scam	[18:54]
BingoBoingo	ascii_field: Sure, but now nubbinsisms are apparently being targeted at lusers	[18:55]
ascii_field	the printheads, for instance, are typically designed to fail rapidly	[18:55]
ascii_field	so they can buy printheads	[18:55]
ascii_field	'but it isn't an ink cartridge! stfu and buy'	[18:55]
ascii_field	classic sc4mz0r switcheroo	[18:55]
*	BingoBoingo back in school when needed to print switched to "laser" after buying second black scamjet cartridge	[18:55]
decimation	ascii_field: http://www.cartesianco.com/ < they use 1980's era inkjet cartridges to 'print circuits'	[18:56]
assbot	Cartesian Co ... ( http://bit.ly/1MKYwU8 )	[18:56]
decimation	apparently a binary system: silver nitrate and asorbic acid	[18:56]
decimation	shelf life: 6 months	[18:56]
ascii_field	ancient history	[18:56]
ascii_field	and works about as well as you'd expect	[18:56]
ascii_field	(massive impedance)	[18:56]
decimation	I can't imagine it would work well	[18:56]
decimation	most other circuit printers use silver 'nanoparticles'	[18:57]
ascii_field	ever make 'resistor' with pencil as a boy ?	[18:57]
ascii_field	precisely this	[18:57]
decimation	which suck even more, but have longer shelf life	[18:57]
ascii_field	it is gimmicky crap, all of it	[18:57]
decimation	yeah I would like to hear 'adult use'	[18:57]
ascii_field	none	[18:58]
ascii_field	and don't expect any.	[18:58]
decimation	they are 'iterating' toward a solution, you see	[18:59]
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decimation	at any rate I"m not sure why anyone would want to 'startup' electronics hardware manufacturing - especially board-level stuff	[19:00]
decimation	the margins are razor-thin even if you have adult gear	[19:00]
decimation	!up ascii_field	[19:00]
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ascii_field	'macrofab' went in the entirely other direction (using slaves)	[19:01]
decimation	that seems like a much better solution actually	[19:01]
ascii_field	costwise	[19:01]
ascii_field	quality-wise - not so much	[19:01]
decimation	well, it depends on quality of slave - and his instructions	[19:01]
ascii_field	smt parts were not designed to be placed by hand	[19:01]
decimation	my understanding is that their 'special sauce' is that they are able to print very detailed instructions for slave to follow	[19:01]
decimation	but still need human to execute instructions.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224554 << some actually can do this.	[19:07]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 20:40:56; jurov: they don't, they fly in	[19:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00052935 = 27.1557 BTC [+] {4}	[19:09]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[19:34]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 285.61, Best ask: 285.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 285.61, 24 hour volume: 12327.26729006, 24 hour low: 281.25, 24 hour high: 285.94, 24 hour vwap: None	[19:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15963 @ 0.0005081 = 8.1108 BTC [-]	[20:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.000516 = 10.853 BTC [+] {3}	[20:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00050177 = 20.6729 BTC [-]	[20:24]
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jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-08-2015#1224121 heh	[20:30]
assbot	Logged on 04-08-2015 14:10:12; mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"	[20:30]
jurov	cue http://lojban.org	[20:30]
assbot	Lojban ... ( http://bit.ly/1DrRe4M )	[20:30]
jurov	"a constructed language based on predicate logic"	[20:31]
danielpbarron	flat clump of slag you say?	[20:31]
jurov	lenin, the first eulorian	[20:31]
danielpbarron	http://www.dianacoman.com/Eulora/fcos.html	[20:32]
danielpbarron	(a very useful ingredient)	[20:33]
jurov	плоский слиток шлакa	[20:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11055 @ 0.00052743 = 5.8307 BTC [+] {4}	[20:37]
jurov	perhaps better: сгусток шлакa	[20:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00053309 = 8.5827 BTC [+] {2}	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	in the same vein, http://40.media.tumblr.com/dc5617142344a8a695c2367e21a5e726/tumblr_mq2205wTMc1szbpdho1_1280.jpg	[20:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1E6KdRU )	[20:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.0005168 = 26.2018 BTC [-]	[21:12]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhK9j5aY3lFfCD9036	[21:26]
assbot	Needed Her Money: Alleged Prostitute Rides On The Hood Of A Cop's Car! \| New Video ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWz0e0 )	[21:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98235 @ 0.00051292 = 50.3867 BTC [-] {4}	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 145274 @ 0.00050124 = 72.8171 BTC [-] {3}	[21:47]
scoopbot_revived	US DoD May Surrender Substantial IPv4 Address Territory http://qntra.net/2015/08/us-dod-may-surrender-substantial-ipv4-address-territory/	[21:49]
BingoBoingo	Loosing to ISIL and the Internet	[21:50]
BingoBoingo	*Losing	[21:50]
BingoBoingo	Loosing comes later... in the ass	[21:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12976 @ 0.00049661 = 6.444 BTC [-]	[21:55]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[21:58]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 284.13, vol: 6222.69687933 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 280.56, vol: 5019.50454 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 285.08, vol: 11510.87784978 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 291.84, vol: 0.51593653 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 283.61277, vol: 10554.99960000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 282.7, vol: 36.60723768 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 286.027924, vol: 32.92292037 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[21:58]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[21:58]
gribble	283.757614044	[21:58]
BingoBoingo	Needs moar drama	[21:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00050801 = 24.3337 BTC [+]	[22:27]
decimation	no, you see bitcoin is unusable because the btc/usd price swings wildly	[22:38]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[22:39]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1224678 << wanna bet this will be parcelled out for strictly nominal fee (if any) to favourite sons? just like fucking radio spectrum	[22:39]
assbot	Logged on 05-08-2015 00:49:46; scoopbot_revived: US DoD May Surrender Substantial IPv4 Address Territory http://qntra.net/2015/08/us-dod-may-surrender-substantial-ipv4-address-territory/	[22:39]
gribble	Current Blocks: 368449 \| Current Difficulty: 5.227830484559168E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 368927 \| Next Difficulty In: 478 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 37 minutes, and 30 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 \| Estimated Percent Change: -9.80941	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	Seems like the most stable thing	[22:39]
BingoBoingo	... << wanna bet this will be parcelled out for strictly nominal fee (if any) to favourite sons? just like fucking radio spectrum << Probably not yet. This seems like a clean return to keep the fire burning. Now later...	[22:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20594 @ 0.00052819 = 10.8775 BTC [+] {3}	[22:47]
decimation	there are plenty of other class A blocks	[22:47]
decimation	the 'shortage of ipv4 addresses' is strictly imaginary	[22:47]
asciilifeform	all ultimately controlled by the 'international komyooonity' aka usg	[22:47]
decimation	not all of them, some are controlled by us corps	[22:48]
decimation	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assigned_/8_IPv4_address_blocks	[22:48]
assbot	List of assigned /8 IPv4 address blocks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ma9YIW )	[22:48]
decimation	MIT has a whole class A	[22:48]
asciilifeform	whole list consists of direct crown subsidiaries of usg	[22:49]
asciilifeform	almost a literal catalogue of'em	[22:49]
asciilifeform	e.g., 'general electric', 'at&t'	[22:49]
asciilifeform	'ford motor'	[22:50]
asciilifeform	'halliburton'.	[22:50]
decimation	heh ham radio still has 44/8	[22:50]
decimation	I have a few of those	[22:50]
*	BingoBoingo thinks 2 meter band has promise. Still needs to get radio.	[22:50]
decimation	BingoBoingo: it's kinda like slightly less retarded CB	[22:51]
decimation	I find shortwave to be more interesting	[22:51]
decimation	but it takes years of 'reading logs' to know what's on there	[22:51]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son)	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	Sure, but on the used market there seems to be some actually interesting rigs made for it with broad listening spectrum.	[22:51]
decimation	asciilifeform: it's a big deal, hams know their number is up	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son) << The part where cellular is worthless?	[22:52]
asciilifeform	as for shortwave, virtually nobody owns their band properly speaking - the crackpot stations lease a time slot (typically, weekly)	[22:52]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: the part where they work as amateur stoolies for usg	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[22:52]
asciilifeform	ratting out spectrum violators	[22:52]
asciilifeform	to the point where usg proper barely ever has to hunt for'em	[22:53]
decimation	my understanding is that the fcc doesn't give a fuck unless it interferes with broadcast radio or aircraft	[22:53]
asciilifeform	or licensee complains	[22:53]
decimation	yes, usg has been spoiled	[22:53]
asciilifeform	which is what usually happens	[22:53]
decimation	asciilifeform: they do more than just report 'pirates'	[22:53]
asciilifeform	they actively drive around, do the gruntwork, triangulate	[22:54]
decimation	for instance: http://www.arrl.org/grow-light-rfi	[22:54]
assbot	Grow Light RFI ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaabvT )	[22:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104159 @ 0.0005338 = 55.6001 BTC [+] {2}	[22:54]
decimation	yeah, because usg is too lazy to do it	[22:54]
decimation	who else is gonna keep people off their bands	[22:54]
decimation	apparently 'grow lights' are extremely terrible rfi generators	[22:54]
decimation	to the point that they can effectively jam shortwave for miles	[22:54]
decimation	hams complain to the fcc: why aren't you cracking down on noisy-ass producers?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	i'd be surprised if there weren't some usg collusion with the manufacturers	[22:55]
decimation	hehe that's possible	[22:55]
decimation	hams would be the last to know	[22:55]
asciilifeform	there is nothing intrinsically noisy re: fucking lamp	[22:55]
asciilifeform	srsly	[22:55]
decimation	there is if you are a dumbfuck	[22:55]
asciilifeform	what are they using, arc lights ?	[22:56]
asciilifeform	it is 1870 now ?	[22:56]
decimation	apparently extremely shitty ballasts on florescents	[22:57]
asciilifeform	usg could interdict at customs. doesn't. no prizes for guessing why.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles	[22:58]
decimation	http://www.w0qe.com/RF_Interference/grow_light_electronic_ballasts.html < details	[22:58]
assbot	Grow light electronic ballasts ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaaqqD )	[22:58]
decimation	"Being anonymous and trying to fly under "the radar" is not easy when you are generating this much RF interference. The fourth item in the table was 1/2 mile away and still was easily heard on 40 meters.	[22:58]
decimation	(7 mhz)	[22:59]
decimation	yeah actually if the conditions are right you could pick that stuff up from 1000 miles away	[22:59]
decimation	spams the entire world	[22:59]
decimation	ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights	[22:59]
decimation	I can't imagine that these lights are installed safely	[23:01]
BingoBoingo	poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles << I remember freshman year of undergrad being high as fuck reading about infared indentification of marijuana and not realizing till I sobered up that they were talking grow lights and not smoke.	[23:02]
asciilifeform	l0l	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights << Best part of spectrum for plant growth.	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	Then change color temperature to maximise flowering	[23:02]
decimation	sure, but to handle that kind of power you really should use 220v circuits	[23:02]
decimation	and non-shit magnetic ballasts, cost $$	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	Depends on scale? Maybe scale demands 660 volt or 1.3kilovolt?	[23:03]
decimation	well, I'm assuming most installations use several of these 1000w units	[23:03]
decimation	but if you are going to do it industrially, than 480v three-phase	[23:04]
decimation	using 208v single phase strings	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	Honestly by now I'd expect them to embrace the LED efficienty or build their own reactors.	[23:05]
decimation	I think they do make LED grow lights but then you are talking $$$$	[23:06]
decimation	https://www.blackdogled.com/phytomax800.html < 800w for $2.34k	[23:07]
assbot	PhytoMAX 800 LED Grow Lights \| Black Dog LED Growing Lights ... ( http://bit.ly/1MaaJln )	[23:07]
BingoBoingo	There's always $$$ involved in industry.	[23:08]
decimation	yeah but high pressure sodium is less than $500	[23:09]
decimation	granted, it's less efficent, but you gotta invest for the long term to make back that kind of money	[23:09]
BingoBoingo	Lighting really doesn't need that much time to roi.	[23:10]
BingoBoingo	Anywhere really	[23:10]
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decimation	well, it appears to cost 5x up front for roughly double the efficiency	[23:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33956 @ 0.00053373 = 18.1233 BTC [-]	[23:16]
BingoBoingo	And then add time and a low IR signature	[23:18]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo, decimation: after a certain energy cost, the balance tips to 'grow it in goatfuckistan and fly in on horizon-hugging drone'	[23:19]
decimation	heh it still produces 2730 btu	[23:19]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Of course	[23:19]
asciilifeform	or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope	[23:19]
asciilifeform	(e.coli don't need sunlight)	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	decimation: If serious though why go for apparatus designed for "grow"	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope << Soon	[23:20]
asciilifeform	or not	[23:20]
asciilifeform	i can hardly think of any industry more idiotically hidebound than the dope folks	[23:20]
decimation	I suspect if were simple it would have been done already	[23:20]
BingoBoingo	There's already opiate shitting e. coli probably it will take one niche at a time.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	for instance, where are the u.s. coast guard interdictors sunk by quadcopter-borne demolition charges ?	[23:21]
asciilifeform	or did they succeed in keeping this under wraps	[23:21]
decimation	same thing. I think they still grow poppies for us opiate industry	[23:22]
BingoBoingo	I suspect if were simple it would have been done already << Why no 7nm junction consumer chips?	[23:22]
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decimation	because it's neigh impossible to scale euv light sources?	[23:22]
asciilifeform	decimation: poppy is cheaper - but only when there are no armies coming at you for growing'em	[23:23]
asciilifeform	(cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan)	[23:23]
asciilifeform	the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin	[23:24]
asciilifeform	i will not say that this is factual	[23:24]
asciilifeform	but i will also not say that it is an unfounded belief	[23:24]
decimation	I suspect that usg isn't too heartbroken over it	[23:24]
asciilifeform	they did help afghan restart opium	[23:25]
BingoBoingo	(cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan) << Medical poppy in India, Culinary poppy in Eastern Europe, and Recreational poppy in Afghanistan	[23:25]
decimation	well, what else are they gonna grow? dirt?	[23:25]
asciilifeform	dirt.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	pushing opium at the untermenschen is a long, proud anglo tradition.	[23:25]
BingoBoingo	the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin << US pretty rotten with heroin too. DEA pressure on doctors and economy will do that.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	u.s was rotting with it in 1910	[23:26]
asciilifeform	in ru it was virtually ~unknown~ until '90s	[23:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19986 @ 0.00051451 = 10.283 BTC [-]	[23:26]
BingoBoingo	Back in 1910 US was rotting with tincures of opium. Now Zohydro is stocked to the gills in most pharmacies.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	the internashnal komyoooonity helped to change this.	[23:27]
decimation	according to wikipedia it's not legal to grow poppies for food seed/paste	[23:27]
asciilifeform	any more than hemp, for rope.	[23:27]
decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205975 < jurov got me interested in the european 'poppy bread'	[23:28]
assbot	Logged on 18-07-2015 21:13:26; jurov: and its brother makovník, best stuffed by so much poppy seed that it makes you very sleepy	[23:28]
decimation	http://dobruchut.azet.sk/recept/6087/makovnik-a-orechovnik/	[23:28]
assbot	Makovník a orechovník - Dobruchut.sk ... ( http://bit.ly/1MabGdq )	[23:28]
decimation	asciilifeform: surely in ru/ukraine they have something similar	[23:28]
asciilifeform	could've sworn i had this dish here	[23:29]
asciilifeform	in good old mordor	[23:29]
asciilifeform	but it was probably from an importer	[23:29]
decimation	yeah, you can buy poppy in safeway	[23:29]
decimation	poppy seeds	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	Most "medical" opiates come from Indian latex and EU straw. Seeds aren't an economicaly viable source of drug product.	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	but it was probably from an importer << ROasted seeds are happily imported en mass.	[23:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83767 @ 0.00051451 = 43.099 BTC [-] {2}	[23:32]
BingoBoingo	www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/04/russia_locust_invasion_swarms_of_locusts_devastate_crops_defy_government.html << Meanwhile no US news stories on the molds which are going to reduce North American grain yields substantially this year.	[23:33]
decimation	yeah it's been terribly wet in the midwest	[23:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005285 = 11.5742 BTC [+] {4}	[23:34]
BingoBoingo	I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage.	[23:35]
decimation	yeah makes sense. looks like usg's weather bureau is calling for a cold and wet winter for the southern half of the us	[23:36]
BingoBoingo	Winter doesn't really matter much in the scheme of things outside the California desert.	[23:37]
decimation	not as far as food productiong goes, no	[23:37]
decimation	florida too	[23:37]
BingoBoingo	Dry summers kill crops. Hot wet summers kill crops. The best a we winter does here is offers crops a marginal head start.	[23:38]
BingoBoingo	This year though with the water so far has been awfully bad for orchards.	[23:39]
BingoBoingo	Peach trees are splitting left and right.	[23:39]
decimation	amusingly california is still lacking water	[23:39]
decimation	although it looks like the colorado river will be up	[23:40]
BingoBoingo	They knew it was a desert fuck them	[23:40]
BingoBoingo	Just like the rest of Aztlan	[23:40]
BingoBoingo	In a month and a half it will be interesting to see if edible apples happen this year.	[23:41]
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BingoBoingo	If the apple trees start breaking up like the peach trees when they put out fruit this year that will be a double whammy rare, takes a decade to catch up damage.	[23:44]
BingoBoingo	Winter 2013-2014 we got weeks of subzero weather, but no lasting damage. Summer 2012 mega-drought (by midwest standards) best peaches ever no lasting damage. This year with a bit cooler than normal summer and lots of rain... it looks like shit is going to be expensive for a while	[23:49]
decimation	eh, people will just get apples from new zealand	[23:51]
decimation	or chile	[23:51]
BingoBoingo	Maybe? Or perhaps they just won't get apples because economy.	[23:51]
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