Forum logs for 03 Oct 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
dub I have a shitload of 1310nm lasers [00:00]
Bugpowder what can you do with those? [00:00]
dub they're in SFPs (optical transcievers) [00:01]
Bugpowder bad spot on the H20 absorbtion curve [00:01]
Bugpowder 910nm is where it isat [00:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0033995 BTC [+] [00:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00690053 BTC [+] [00:06]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.00690054 = 0.138 BTC [+] [00:06]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.00690055 = 0.2001 BTC [+] [00:06]
Bugpowder heh [00:06]
Bugpowder all the buy back chatter sucking people in [00:07]
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femtotube do any of you know what DMC has in it's portfolio? [00:11]
BTC-Mining Diablo-D3 can tell you [00:12]
mircea_popescu iirc mostly obsi and usagi [00:12]
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assbot [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.94989999 BTC [+] [00:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9499 BTC [+] [00:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.95 = 4.75 BTC [+] [00:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.95 = 1.9 BTC [+] [00:15]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 20 @ 0.00670219 = 0.134 BTC [-] [00:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 325 @ 0.0067022 = 2.1782 BTC [+] [00:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 90 @ 0.0069 = 0.621 BTC [+] [00:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 65 @ 0.00690055 = 0.4485 BTC [+] [00:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.00690059 = 0.0414 BTC [+] [00:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00698317 = 0.014 BTC [+] [00:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.007 = 0.014 BTC [+] [00:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 176 @ 0.00705036 = 1.2409 BTC [+] [00:20]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1500 @ 0.0004418 = 0.6627 BTC [-] [00:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3222 @ 0.00044181 = 1.4235 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 970 @ 0.00044182 = 0.4286 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2100 @ 0.00044182 = 0.9278 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9800 @ 0.00044182 = 4.3298 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5800 @ 0.00044182 = 2.5626 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 200 @ 0.00044183 = 0.0884 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5911 @ 0.00044183 = 2.6117 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8269 @ 0.00044183 = 3.6535 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2746 @ 0.00044183 = 1.2133 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2480 @ 0.00044184 = 1.0958 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5984 @ 0.00044184 = 2.644 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4900 @ 0.00044184 = 2.165 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 208 @ 0.00044185 = 0.0919 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7410 @ 0.00044186 = 3.2742 BTC [+] [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3499 @ 0.00044186 = 1.5461 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1691 @ 0.00044186 = 0.7472 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 880 @ 0.00044186 = 0.3888 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3778 @ 0.00044186 = 1.6693 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 500 @ 0.00044186 = 0.2209 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5040 @ 0.00044186 = 2.227 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00044186 = 0.1767 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 11100 @ 0.00044186 = 4.9046 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3112 @ 0.00044186 = 1.3751 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7407 @ 0.00044186 = 3.2729 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7500 @ 0.00044187 = 3.314 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7193 @ 0.00044193 = 3.1788 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6500 @ 0.00044302 = 2.8796 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1400 @ 0.00046526 = 0.6514 BTC [+] [00:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4900 @ 0.0004418 = 2.1648 BTC [-] [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1675 @ 0.0004418 = 0.74 BTC [-] [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 6996 @ 0.0004418 = 3.0908 BTC [-] [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 8600 @ 0.00044177 = 3.7992 BTC [-] [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2829 @ 0.00044174 = 1.2497 BTC [-] [00:33]
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Doffx Is the Gsdpt div pretty low? I was thinking it might reach 4% a month or so, buts its quite a bit lower than that. Less than 1% [00:44]
femtotube Doffx: maybe thy have not enough shares to pay better div. I know, I know, this is probably a bad joke for today :) [00:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.569999 BTC [+] [00:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41520001 BTC [-] [00:49]
BTC-Mining Doffx, no, around 1% is pretty much what was expected [00:49]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0033995 = 0.068 BTC [+] [00:54]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 400 @ 0.0033995 = 1.3598 BTC [+] [00:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10157 @ 0.00036521 = 3.7094 BTC [+] [00:59]
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mircea_popescu Doffx div was about .7% this month or so [01:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C100T] 850 @ 0.33091416 = 281.277 BTC [+] [01:03]
dub exit [01:05]
dub y [01:05]
dub fuck [01:05]
Doffx I was hoping for more but at least the stock is stable [01:06]
guruvan y fuck? [01:07]
dub focus fail [01:07]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 10 @ 0.0069999 = 0.07 BTC [-] [01:13]
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assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.44999999 BTC [+] [01:23]
guruvan ya know mircea_popescu I'm surprised no one's tried a big short squeeze when they know someone has a big short [01:24]
mircea_popescu guruvan on what ? [01:24]
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guruvan oh anything....since people mostly have to advertise the desire to borrow shares, a short squeeze seems like it would e easy if someone thought of it [01:25]
guruvan wouldn't take that much on GLBSE [01:25]
mircea_popescu you're thinking retail investors. [01:26]
guruvan oh, I'm sure THAT desire isn't lacking around here Smoovious [01:26]
mircea_popescu you can't squeeze specialists. [01:26]
guruvan lol [01:27]
guruvan mircea_popescu: I've certainly seen money mangers get squeezed in the big markets....not often, but big when it happens [01:28]
mircea_popescu well, the term "specialist" is a term of art. [01:28]
mircea_popescu people who borrow shares on margin can be squeezed [01:28]
mircea_popescu people who borrow shares on fixed time intervals can't. [01:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8143 @ 0.00036102 = 2.9398 BTC [-] [01:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2957 @ 0.0003653 = 1.0802 BTC [+] [01:29]
mircea_popescu in practice the later is usually only available to specialists or otherwise select players. [01:29]
mircea_popescu .g specialist finance [01:29]
markac mircea_popescu: http://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Specialist [01:29]
guruvan hmm...good point (can't as easily.....though it could happen, but then it's a game of who ever has the most funds wins) [01:29]
mircea_popescu right. [01:30]
Diablo-D3 [05:12:50] iirc mostly obsi and usagi [01:36]
Diablo-D3 nope [01:36]
Diablo-D3 obsi closed all of his assets, and I dont have any of usagi's stuff [01:37]
Diablo-D3 [05:11:51] do any of you know what DMC has in it's portfolio? [01:37]
Diablo-D3 1000 btcmc, 1000 asicminer, 106 btc-mining [01:37]
mircea_popescu aha [01:37]
mircea_popescu !ticker btc-mining [01:37]
mircea_popescu !ticker btcmc [01:37]
assbot [GLBSE:BTC-MINING] [Bid: 0.93100001] [Ask: 0.959033] [Spread: 0.02803299] [Last: 0.95] [24hVol: 25.44309999] [7dAvg: 0.95297324] [01:37]
assbot [GLBSE:BTCMC] [Bid: 0.5] [Ask: 0.58969999] [Spread: 0.08969999] [Last: 0.45000001] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.521956] [01:37]
mircea_popescu so like 1.6k or so ? [01:38]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: I calculated it as >800 [01:39]
mircea_popescu 106 btc-mining is clearly 1k. [01:39]
Diablo-D3 ... they are 1btc each [01:40]
mircea_popescu o duh [01:40]
mircea_popescu lolol [01:40]
Diablo-D3 and people say I suck at math >_> [01:40]
mircea_popescu so, 100 + 100 + 600 = 800 at current mkt [01:40]
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Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: yeah pretty much [01:40]
mircea_popescu !ticker dmc [01:40]
assbot [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.02] [Ask: 0.07499998] [Spread: 0.05499998] [Last: 0.02] [24hVol: 16.37999649] [7dAvg: 0.07139604] [01:40]
mircea_popescu market hates you. [01:41]
Diablo-D3 probably. [01:41]
mircea_popescu then again smickles was trading .3 / 1.1 yest in spite of being worth ~1.x [01:41]
Doffx What happen with all the DMC drama anyhow. [01:41]
Diablo-D3 Doffx: nefario does coke. [01:41]
Doffx Well I'm sure of that. [01:42]
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Diablo-D3 and now everyone is jumping ship [01:42]
Doffx The Glbse Ship? [01:42]
Diablo-D3 some, some are jumping the entire market [01:42]
dub not sure how anyone can stay at this point [01:42]
dub its suicide [01:42]
Doffx I left a long time ago [01:42]
Doffx I own 1 stock and I tried to sell it [01:42]
mircea_popescu a long, long time ago... but i can still remember [01:42]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: sssh [01:43]
Doffx But then the .0034 bidwall got put up and fucked me. [01:43]
dub I own 1 DMC and a soon as someone pays me one million btc for it, im out [01:43]
Diablo-D3 I guess Im stuck slowly buying everything back [01:43]
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Diablo-D3 might take quite a few months =/ [01:45]
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BTC-Mining I need something to buy... [01:48]
Diablo-D3 so just buy up all the dmc on the market [01:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.5989 = 5.989 BTC [-] [01:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.59 = 5.9 BTC [-] [01:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-] [01:48]
BTC-Mining Meh [01:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50100 @ 0.0003653 = 18.3015 BTC [+] [01:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 5 @ 0.9 = 4.5 BTC [+] [01:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.94 = 1.88 BTC [+] [01:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 10 @ 0.95 = 9.5 BTC [+] [01:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.97 BTC [+] [01:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 10 @ 0.97899 = 9.7899 BTC [+] [01:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 39 @ 0.979 = 38.181 BTC [+] [01:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.979 BTC [+] [01:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.98 BTC [+] [01:55]
Diablo-D3 http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/hash/sha-3/winner_sha-3.html [01:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [+] [01:58]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92423.0 [02:03]
mircea_popescu hey, i got a bunch of addies in that list. go me. [02:04]
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mircea_popescu lol http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/10sxic/til_the_biggest_nerd_i_know_had_never_heard_of/ sgornick wins [02:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00036192 = 6.1526 BTC [-] [02:20]
Diablo-D3 http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems [02:21]
Diablo-D3 wat [02:21]
mircea_popescu ya i was looking at that [02:21]
mircea_popescu "I was turned off by an otherwise-appealing open-source project after seeing that Zynga had contributed to it" [02:22]
mircea_popescu totally. [02:22]
Diablo-D3 I understand how he feels [02:23]
Diablo-D3 "I want to write a simple program in python with two libraries, but one requires python2, and the other python3." [02:23]
Diablo-D3 fffffffffffffffff [02:23]
Azelphur Diablo-D3: I like this subreddit xD [02:23]
mircea_popescu "I want to write a simple program in python with two libraries, but one requires python2, and the other python3." [02:24]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [02:24]
mircea_popescu o wow [02:24]
mircea_popescu SAME [02:24]
Azelphur lmao [02:24]
mircea_popescu eheheeh [02:24]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb77t0ygoF1qfrvjzo1_500.png this is kinda win [02:25]
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Diablo-D3 yeah, clearly bitcoin is fucktarded [02:28]
Diablo-D3 "I used Bash for three years before learning about tab completion" [02:29]
Diablo-D3 THE FUCK [02:29]
Diablo-D3 HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE [02:29]
mircea_popescu :D [02:30]
BTC-Mining Win? Try "Dancing Mad". [02:34]
Diablo-D3 BTC-Mining: which version? [02:37]
Diablo-D3 because the black mages has a good version of it [02:37]
BTC-Mining The full original version is good enough for me. [02:37]
Diablo-D3 fuck, now want to play ff6 [02:38]
Diablo-D3 but dont want terra subplot [02:38]
Diablo-D3 actually, Im almost considering playing either ToP or ff5 again [02:40]
Diablo-D3 or maybe seiken densetsu 3 [02:42]
BTC-Mining Eh, I'd need to get ff5 or seiken densetsu 3 [02:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21006 @ 0.00036077 = 7.5783 BTC [-] [02:45]
BTC-Mining I only played seiken 1/2 and ff 1/4/6 [02:45]
BTC-Mining I just don't have so much time to play everything. [02:46]
Diablo-D3 5 is really damned good [02:46]
Diablo-D3 ToP is really damned good too [02:47]
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BTC-Mining I pretty much never played anything that was not released in North America [02:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+] [02:48]
Diablo-D3 ahh too bad [02:49]
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Diablo-D3 I dont think I can ever play earthbound again [02:49]
Diablo-D3 its just too perfect [02:49]
Diablo-D3 BTC-Mining: tales of phantasia had a jpop intro. on the snes. with lyrics. [02:50]
Diablo-D3 and star ocean was good too [02:51]
Diablo-D3 and so was terranigma [02:51]
Diablo-D3 oh, and the illusion of gaia [02:52]
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BTC-Mining played illusion of gaia and star ocean [02:53]
BTC-Mining not terranigma/ToP/earthbound [02:54]
Diablo-D3 terranigma's internal project name was illusion of gaia 2, but they're unrelated games (same way FF games are) [02:54]
Diablo-D3 star ocean was made by the same team that did tales of phantaisa [02:54]
Diablo-D3 star ocean and ToP are impressive uses of the snes hardware [02:54]
Diablo-D3 oh, and I assume you've already played chrono trigger [02:54]
Diablo-D3 BTC-Mining: Im not sure if you know this, but the black mages is nobuo uematsu's rock band [02:57]
Diablo-D3 him and two other squaresoft composers [02:58]
BTC-Mining yeah of course, never heard anything from them tho [02:58]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 34 @ 0.0033995 = 0.1156 BTC [+] [02:58]
Diablo-D3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YNfX1oU2XA [02:58]
BTC-Mining and yes, I did play Chrono Trigger [02:59]
Diablo-D3 chrono trigger is the best rpg ever. on any platform. [02:59]
Diablo-D3 its basically portal for old school jrpgs [02:59]
Diablo-D3 everything that needs to be there is there [03:00]
Diablo-D3 but nothing more than that [03:00]
Diablo-D3 and it doesnt help I [03:00]
Diablo-D3 er [03:00]
Diablo-D3 and it doesnt help I've beaten it like 50 times [03:00]
BTC-Mining I'm not sure why the cult around Chrono Trigger. Definitely one of the best I ever played but still... [03:01]
Diablo-D3 I dont quite get it either [03:01]
Diablo-D3 I mean, like, Ive played basically every great jrpg ever [03:01]
Diablo-D3 and ct still tops it and I cant figure out why [03:02]
BTC-Mining I don't like that Black Mages version too much. [03:03]
Diablo-D3 try the earthbound papas one [03:03]
Diablo-D3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFm84RcUMmg [03:03]
BTC-Mining Ah, I like real sounding chorus [03:04]
Diablo-D3 earthbound papas is nobuo uematsu's OTHER band. [03:05]
BTC-Mining It's a better band. [03:05]
BTC-Mining I also like this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdWTJg6bf40&feature=related [03:06]
BTC-Mining The fact it's synthetized is a bit annoying, especially for the chorus. [03:06]
Diablo-D3 yeah especially when theres very good synth choirs out there [03:06]
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BTC-Mining But the rest is perfect. Closer to SNES sounds. [03:07]
Diablo-D3 everything needed to do final fantasy music: ewql symphonic orchestra, ewql symphonic choir, ewql stormdrum [03:07]
BTC-Mining Well listen to the link I posted [03:07]
Diablo-D3 yeah it kinda sucks =/ [03:08]
BTC-Mining The choirs? yes [03:08]
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BTC-Mining It's the part the annoys me [03:08]
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Diablo-D3 BTC-Mining: btw [03:10]
Diablo-D3 those three things i named? [03:10]
BTC-Mining The later parts are better [03:10]
Diablo-D3 thats like $3000 worth of software [03:10]
Diablo-D3 and its just VST plugins [03:10]
BTC-Mining ouch [03:10]
Diablo-D3 ewsqlso is like 5 DVDs or some shit [03:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 700 @ 0.00045505 = 0.3185 BTC [+] [03:11]
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Diablo-D3 wait no, 9 [03:11]
mircea_popescu "I think Bitcoin and cryptocurrency stands to challenge and has the potential to topple the very notion of unlawful trade, just like the printing press challenged and toppled the notion of unlawful speech." [03:16]
mircea_popescu my thoughts exactly. [03:16]
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BTC-Mining unlawful speech? [03:17]
BTC-Mining wth is this funny concept? [03:17]
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mircea_popescu right ? [03:18]
mircea_popescu "controlled substances" ? control your mother. [03:18]
dub BTC-Mining: aren't you chinese? should be familiar with that concept [03:19]
Diablo-D3 man [03:19]
Diablo-D3 sqaure is fucktarded for not using this music in a ff6 port [03:19]
BTC-Mining I'm not chinese, no [03:20]
Diablo-D3 m/ o_o m/ [03:20]
Diablo-D3 m/ -_- m/ [03:20]
Diablo-D3 m/ o_o m/ [03:20]
dub oh, I assumed the lack of logic and reasoning was cultural [03:20]
BTC-Mining Which one? [03:20]
mircea_popescu lmao [03:20]
dub my apologies [03:20]
Diablo-D3 dub: you almost owe me a new keyboard [03:20]
BTC-Mining Diablo, which one? [03:21]
Diablo-D3 earthbound papas - dancing mad [03:21]
BTC-Mining ah, the same one [03:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 2 @ 0.0495 = 0.099 BTC [+] [03:22]
BTC-Mining Some sounds are too low while most beats are just... way too high. [03:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [BBBB] 140 @ 0.00016 = 0.0224 BTC [+] [03:24]
BTC-Mining I can't have it loud enough without having the occasional blast shredding my eardrums. [03:25]
Diablo-D3 the way dancing mad was meant to be [03:26]
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rdponticelli_ mircea_popescu: Have you thought about listing ASICMINER on mpex? [03:30]
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mircea_popescu rdponticelli wouldn't really qualify im affraid. [03:31]
Diablo-D3 he could [03:31]
Diablo-D3 it wouldnt be a passthrough either [03:31]
mircea_popescu new business, no cash flow, why am i listing it ? [03:31]
rdponticelli No? [03:31]
Diablo-D3 friedcat will hold onto shares off glbse if you have enough [03:31]
rdponticelli Ok [03:31]
BTC-Mining So anyway. Apparently I'm chinese for being on GLBSE, because it's cultural for chinese people to lack logic. Seems somewhat racist. [03:31]
mircea_popescu if they actually deliver something at some point we can talk ofcourse, but atm seems premature [03:31]
rdponticelli Yea, that was my thought [03:31]
Diablo-D3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHbYIbleQP8 [03:32]
rdponticelli Well, let's see if they deliver [03:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00036134 = 1.5538 BTC [+] [03:36]
Diablo-D3 "When I was your age, we rocket jumped all the way to school uphill, both ways, in boiling lava" [03:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 7800 @ 0.00351 = 27.378 BTC [+] [03:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.57999999 = 1.16 BTC [-] [03:42]
assbot [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 21 @ 0.58 = 12.18 BTC [+] [03:42]
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dub So anyway. Apparently I'm chinese for being on GLBSE [03:44]
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dub not sure I could have illustrated that point any better, thanks. [03:45]
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mircea_popescu lmao [03:50]
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tbcoin Someone could summarize what the fuck is going on with nefarious and goat / TYGRR?? I've been off the topic a while now and I do not understand what happens. [03:59]
Diablo-D3 tbcoin: basically he delisted goat's assets without warning [03:59]
Diablo-D3 and now is trying to force a broken redeem system on goat [03:59]
Diablo-D3 and is also holding hostage any btc goat had on bitcoin [04:00]
BTC-Mining Why hold the BTC? [04:00]
Diablo-D3 because nefario already spent it on coke [04:00]
tbcoin hahaha [04:01]
tbcoin thaks [04:01]
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tbcoin nefarious has given any explanation? forum I see lot of laps about the communication between them [04:01]
Diablo-D3 nope [04:02]
Diablo-D3 even bitcointalk admins have ordered him to give a good reason [04:02]
Diablo-D3 he hasnt responded [04:02]
BTC-Mining Basically, long ago, someone created a scam asset called "GLBSE" [04:02]
tbcoin delisted OK, SEC FUD, but freeze his account? [04:02]
dub it stems from goat holding an asset called GLBSE that was initailly a scam that nefario took over and said he would make legitimate but then didnt and now wants back for some reason [04:02]
Diablo-D3 BTC-Mining: yeah, ut that has nothing to do with it [04:02]
BTC-Mining How so? [04:02]
Diablo-D3 or rather, even if nefario acted out of revenge, he STILL did it [04:03]
BTC-Mining It is related. [04:03]
dub bascially nefario is retarded and glbse.com is a scam [04:03]
BTC-Mining Nefario said he would honor those shares even if the scammer ran away with this. [04:03]
Diablo-D3 BTC-Mining: yes, and he cant [04:03]
Diablo-D3 because glbse shareholders will rape him in both holes [04:03]
BTC-Mining So Chaang understood it as owning GLBSE and decided to buy shares. [04:03]
Diablo-D3 BTC-Mining: yes but [04:03]
Diablo-D3 that doesnt tie into why nefario closed goat's assets [04:04]
tbcoin I withdraw all my funds at the moment to removal TYGRR [04:04]
Diablo-D3 nefario did it because goat made a big stink about it [04:04]
Diablo-D3 tbcoin: a lot of assets are leaving because of what nefario did to goat and dmc [04:04]
BTC-Mining Now Nefario wanted to pay back for the shares but Chaan was unhappy about that and not owning a good part of GLBSE and wanted more for the shares than their IPO price if I recall right. [04:04]
tbcoin Diablo-D3: is logical [04:05]
BTC-Mining Chaang was demanding Nefario to be tagged as a scammer and was uncooperative. [04:05]
Diablo-D3 BTC-Mining: yeah, but the irony now is, nefario might get that tag [04:05]
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BTC-Mining Nefario decides to kick all Chaang's assets off of GLBSE. [04:05]
BTC-Mining No warning. [04:05]
BTC-Mining Should have at least allowed some delays for Chaang to prepare. [04:06]
BTC-Mining But yeah, it's a big mess. [04:06]
tbcoin business in bitcoin are full of BS... [04:07]
Diablo-D3 Smoovious: yes, but nefario still participated in that pissing contest [04:07]
Diablo-D3 and has destroyed glbse in the process [04:07]
Diablo-D3 tbcoin: some yes, some no [04:07]
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tbcoin then, in the magical case of pirate pay something someday, goat would take it or he still refuses to use the nefarious codes? [04:09]
dub the code scheme is broken, goat would be an idiot to entertain any notion of using the solution nefario provided [04:11]
mircea_popescu maybe the entire ideea was to trap him in the scheme [04:12]
mircea_popescu cause it's designed to fail. [04:12]
dub yes, it is. Look at Joel's posts for explanation [04:12]
BTC-Mining What's the issue with the codes? [04:12]
dub insecure, unverifiable, relies on goat and nefario trusting each other which they obviously dont [04:13]
tbcoin Smoovious: he must fulfill their holders, unless deemed in breach of contract after leaving glbse [04:13]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining they were sent in plain text over email [04:13]
mircea_popescu consider i have a copy. [04:13]
BTC-Mining Being on GLBSE at all requires trust in Nefario... Why would GLBSE platform hold any more trust than the codes [04:14]
dub its simpler than that, as soon as there is a dispute (e.g. someone tries to claim twice) everyone is fucked [04:14]
dub because goat cannot trust nefario to have not maliciously issued teh same code twice, and nefario cannot trust goat to have invented the double claim [04:14]
tbcoin the sending of the code was done wrong by Nefario, that's for sure [04:15]
BTC-Mining Well why doesn't he just regenerate the codes and send them encoded? [04:15]
tbcoin BTC-Mining: is an option, now that reach an agreement ... [04:16]
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tbcoin is a fight, like many things other things around here, lengthen and lengthen until people forget and give up all for lost. [04:17]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining that'd be a step in the right direction [04:17]
BTC-Mining That or implement a system for people to submit a BTC adress Nefario can then give to Chaang. [04:17]
mircea_popescu but the problem dub cites still exists [04:17]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining he should put a system in where ppl can load their gpg signatures [04:18]
mircea_popescu then give those to chang [04:18]
mircea_popescu this would be incidentally rebuilding mpex, but hey. for a good cause... [04:18]
BTC-Mining eh, whatever works. [04:18]
mircea_popescu this system ios the only one workable. [04:20]
mircea_popescu nobody can double claim, nefario can prove all the claims legitimate and goat can prove all the claims legitimate [04:20]
Diablo-D3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og35U0d6WKY [04:21]
mircea_popescu but the entire thing is a good exercise of "how would bitcoin look if nefario was satoshi" [04:21]
dub Smoovious: laywers would argue that by doing anything with the list goat is admitting _some_ liability for it [04:21]
dub lawyers might argue that as well [04:21]
mircea_popescu oh, the "try it out see if it fits" solution that idiot proposed on the forum is the worst of them all. [04:22]
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dub liability for nefarios unilateral decision to cause the problem? [04:23]
dub are you, perhaps, chinese? [04:23]
dub just been skimming this btw, quite interesting http://groups.psych.northwestern.edu/gentner/papers/YehGentner05.pdf [04:24]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1100 @ 0.00045505 = 0.5006 BTC [+] [04:27]
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mircea_popescu "Shoe on head, sharpie in pooper and stfu." [04:31]
mircea_popescu ahahaha she's criminal [04:31]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 150 @ 0.0033994 = 0.5099 BTC [-] [04:32]
kakobrekla sharpie in pooper? [04:32]
kakobrekla i dont get it [04:32]
dub its a /b/ thing [04:32]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0033994 = 0.0068 BTC [-] [04:32]
dub alternative to timestamping tits, stick sharpie in pooper [04:33]
kakobrekla a. [04:33]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/res/17150.html [04:33]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0033994 = 0.068 BTC [-] [04:34]
novusordo dub: don't talk about /b/ outside of /b/, newfag [04:34]
mircea_popescu he's not even a fag. [04:34]
novusordo i was not implying he was homosexual. [04:34]
kakobrekla o, you can find a cute ass or two there [04:35]
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novusordo mircea_popescu: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Newfag [04:35]
mircea_popescu i know omg. [04:36]
dub novusordo: there are no rules, you're teh newfag [04:36]
dub but mircea_popescu is right, im an exfag [04:36]
mircea_popescu fagocitosis [04:37]
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novusordo â–² [04:38]
novusordo â–² â–² [04:38]
mircea_popescu lol [04:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 7056 @ 0.00045504 = 3.2108 BTC [-] [04:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00036201 = 5.4302 BTC [+] [04:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00036134 = 14.2368 BTC [-] [04:52]
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assbot [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.959033 BTC [+] [05:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 5 @ 0.96 = 4.8 BTC [+] [05:20]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112551.msg1240930#msg1240930 in the end this is kinda funnay [05:56]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi ^^ [05:56]
Chaang-Noi what maged said about him being a scammer? [05:56]
Chaang-Noi its silly i cant use option 1 or option 2 until i have a new exchange [05:57]
mircea_popescu i like how maged got all excited over the tech part :D [05:57]
Chaang-Noi next maged will come after me for not doing anthing [05:57]
mircea_popescu but anyway, how many actual shareholders do you expect ? a hundred or so ? [05:57]
Chaang-Noi i have several hundred [05:58]
copumpkin moo [05:58]
Chaang-Noi only opyion 3 is a quick fix [05:58]
mircea_popescu several hundred ?! [05:59]
Chaang-Noi is maged saying made a new type of coin? [05:59]
mircea_popescu so what's avg investment, .8 btc [05:59]
Chaang-Noi tygrr-[ had a value of like 40,000 btc [05:59]
Chaang-Noi i had like 8 assets [05:59]
Chaang-Noi i was like half of glbse [05:59]
mircea_popescu o is it ? [06:00]
Chaang-Noi i wont be able to do this like hand [06:00]
Chaang-Noi by [06:00]
mircea_popescu if that's the size then not really no [06:00]
mircea_popescu esp the verification, will require coding [06:00]
Chaang-Noi yeah [06:00]
Chaang-Noi i dont code and maged can tell me to do so [06:01]
Chaang-Noi im sure the shareholders can make something forme [06:01]
mircea_popescu lol [06:01]
Chaang-Noi that is if they accept tghe code system [06:01]
Chaang-Noi if i were them id tell nefario to fuck off [06:01]
Chaang-Noi they know im not an exchange [06:01]
Diablo-D3 Chaang-Noi: maged is still thinking about giving nefario a scammer tag and setup a url filter to label all glbse links as scams [06:01]
copumpkin more people need to do that [06:02]
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mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi the solution is relatively easy for shareholders, they just import key to wallet and sign a message with the new addy [06:02]
Chaang-Noi that means that all my links to assets will be scams? [06:02]
mircea_popescu it is a little complex for you tho as it will require custom coding [06:02]
Chaang-Noi i doubt he will get the tag [06:02]
Chaang-Noi maged was lied to by nefario so maged im sure is pissed [06:03]
Chaang-Noi but nefario im pretty sure will be protected [06:03]
Diablo-D3 nope [06:03]
mircea_popescu you think theymos values his < 5k investment that highly ? [06:03]
Diablo-D3 theymos is selling his glbse shares [06:03]
mircea_popescu im sure he has more coins. [06:03]
Chaang-Noi no where in my contract does it say i have to operate an exchange... [06:03]
Chaang-Noi i never said theymos [06:04]
mircea_popescu well ya but there's not that many shares left you know [06:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 27 @ 0.007 = 0.189 BTC [+] [06:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 30 @ 0.00719999 = 0.216 BTC [+] [06:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00743803 = 0.0298 BTC [+] [06:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00749998 BTC [+] [06:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00870863 = 0.0174 BTC [+] [06:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00916005 = 0.0183 BTC [+] [06:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00975394 BTC [+] [06:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.009788 BTC [+] [06:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00979627 = 0.0392 BTC [+] [06:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 192 @ 0.01 = 1.92 BTC [+] [06:05]
Bugpowder theymos is a little late on the share sale [06:05]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder by like a day actually [06:06]
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mircea_popescu nefario really fucked him over on that one [06:06]
Bugpowder yeah [06:06]
mircea_popescu he goes herpderp i shall sell some shares sat [06:06]
mircea_popescu by monday people are "hey, are you selling cause of nefario ?" [06:06]
mircea_popescu dude's wtf i have no ideea [06:06]
pigeons usagi did you ever explain what gives you the right to close .B before making sure everyone who trusted you with .A gets their coins back? [06:06]
Bugpowder sure he had no idea [06:06]
mircea_popescu pigeons he has no such right. [06:07]
mircea_popescu if A doesn't get full capital back after he closes B he's getting -'d to hell. [06:07]
mircea_popescu might as well find a different mythological creature to be. [06:07]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.799001 = 1.598 BTC [-] [06:08]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.784 BTC [-] [06:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24040 @ 0.00036228 = 8.7092 BTC [-] [06:09]
pigeons usagi: i'm serious i can't read every line of the channel and the forum. can you answer? [06:09]
Bugpowder usagi, what happens to NYAN.A if its assets go bad and B has already been refunded [06:10]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1239970#msg1239970 so deeplink is out of asicminer cause of glbse connection. [06:10]
mircea_popescu is this why you were asking earlier rdponticelli ? [06:10]
pigeons so NYAB.B is not collateral for NYAN.A? [06:10]
Bugpowder My concern with NYAN.A is sufficient that I sold out of B.MPCP.B at 5% below par today [06:11]
Bugpowder I thought CPA was toast? [06:11]
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rdponticelli mircea_popescu: sort of [06:11]
pigeons usagi: so you are getting rid of the collateral for NYAN.A? [06:11]
Bugpowder okay.... bedtime for me I guess [06:11]
mircea_popescu nn [06:12]
rdponticelli I have the same concern [06:12]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli well i can see it, i tell you that. [06:12]
pigeons you will sign something with the key to an address that holds enough collateral to repay NYAN.A? [06:12]
rdponticelli I would like to own some asicminer, or some moore outside of glbse [06:12]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli i think the asicminer ppl do private booking tho neh ? [06:12]
mircea_popescu i dunno moore too well. [06:13]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: yes, they do [06:13]
rdponticelli So it could be convenient [06:13]
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assbot [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.33 BTC [-] [06:14]
dub PROTIP: GLBSE is in th process fo blowing up and closing [06:14]
pigeons well just because the other funds you ran went out of business doesn't mean i don't trust you that NYAN.A is in zero danger, but the agreement was that NYAN.B could be sold and given to .A investors to ensure that? [06:14]
Bugpowder Yeah.. that is the other reason I got out of the B tranche. GLBSE could be gone by Nov 1st. [06:15]
mircea_popescu dub ya think ? [06:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07479999 BTC [-] [06:15]
Bugpowder time to make a bets of bitcoin bet [06:15]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder what's the connection between .b and glbbq ? [06:15]
Bugpowder NYAN.A [06:15]
Chaaang-Noi if nefario has the scammer tag it will hurt glbse im sure [06:15]
mircea_popescu 100 btc out of 1100 ? [06:15]
Bugpowder uhh an who knows what Patrick is exposed to [06:15]
pigeons but you need to close .A first [06:15]
mircea_popescu pirate lol [06:15]
Bugpowder is that transparent? [06:15]
mircea_popescu patrick is mostly exposed to his paycheck, which is why he gets the trust [06:15]
pigeons yes but how is that not screwing over .A? [06:16]
mircea_popescu i have no doubt he made massive losses, but i'm pretty sure he limited his investments to what he can actually cover, unlike pretty much everyone else. [06:16]
Bugpowder I see [06:16]
Bugpowder well I probably acted rashly [06:16]
Bugpowder gotta stop trading on 2 cups of coffee and no breakfast [06:17]
mircea_popescu obviously this is speculation. but the guy is actually licensed to do finance [06:17]
pigeons but .A was collateralized by .B and now is "trust me" [06:17]
Bugpowder just when it was getting good [06:17]
Bugpowder laterrrr [06:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 3 @ 1.32599 = 3.978 BTC [-] [06:18]
assbot [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.32589 BTC [-] [06:18]
pigeons ok, sounds like .A is a worse deal than it was earlier for sure now [06:18]
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pigeons so what if something on NYAN.A goes bad? [06:19]
mircea_popescu !ticker nyan.a [06:19]
assbot [GLBSE:NYAN.A] [Bid: 0.8104] [Ask: 0.98] [Spread: 0.1696] [Last: 0.99] [24hVol: ] [7dAvg: 0.98559992] [06:20]
mircea_popescu pity glbse has no sane 30day volume [06:20]
mircea_popescu with all their depth the 24h is meaningless. [06:20]
pigeons but .C is the one with the OBSI.HRPT? [06:20]
Chaaang-Noi i think they all have obsi.hrpt [06:20]
pigeons well surely not the "low risk only one" [06:21]
Chaaang-Noi i think it did atleast [06:21]
asa1024 !ticker cpa [06:21]
assbot [GLBSE:CPA] [Bid: 0.016] [Ask: 0.02999999] [Spread: 0.01399999] [Last: 0.015] [24hVol: 1.69248001] [7dAvg: 0.03625638] [06:21]
Chaaang-Noi okay it currently has no hrpt [06:21]
Chaaang-Noi but idd [06:21]
Chaaang-Noi did [06:21]
Chaaang-Noi i dot keep up with it all [06:21]
Chaaang-Noi dont* [06:21]
pigeons its fine cause you can always use NYAN.B to cover it. except when ther is no .B to cover it [06:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.58000005 = 1.16 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58000004 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5602 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.56000002 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.56 = 3.36 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.556 = 4.448 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.5511 = 1.1022 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.5508 = 2.2032 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5502 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.55 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 10 @ 0.55 = 5.5 BTC [-] [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-] [06:23]
pigeons does cpa sign an address that has the funds to back it? [06:23]
Chaaang-Noi usagi pigeons has a good point, if this blows up in yourface you will be accused of fraud [06:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0733 BTC [-] [06:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07320004 = 0.1464 BTC [-] [06:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 6 @ 0.07320002 = 0.4392 BTC [-] [06:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07315 = 0.1463 BTC [-] [06:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07315 BTC [-] [06:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07312 = 0.2925 BTC [-] [06:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 18 @ 0.0731 = 1.3158 BTC [-] [06:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 16 @ 0.0708 = 1.1328 BTC [-] [06:24]
Chaaang-Noi i dont mean by trolls, i mean by mods... [06:24]
mircea_popescu and the bleed goes on. [06:24]
mircea_popescu it's very calm [06:25]
mircea_popescu we'd like to point out that nefario was wrong [06:25]
Chaaang-Noi does anyone think i should try to get my listing fees recovered since i am no longer listed and i did not violate the TOS? [06:25]
mircea_popescu and you don't wanna lie... [06:25]
mircea_popescu not to the moo-ooods [06:25]
pigeons which is a joke? .B ? [06:25]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB6qE1W5fUM [06:25]
pigeons no you do not do what you say, you say you will back .A with .B, except when you change your mind [06:25]
pigeons yes i did [06:25]
pigeons it does not explain why you can buy .b without moving that to .A or buying back .A [06:26]
Chaaang-Noi A might need it later, then what? [06:26]
Chaaang-Noi ? [06:26]
Chaaang-Noi no chance to default ever? [06:27]
Chaaang-Noi well void all the contracts, lol [06:27]
pigeons ok well i prefered ".A won't default cause you can use .B to cover" over "trust me" [06:28]
pigeons i'm not a shareholder anymore, i sold the moment i saw you buy "High risk passthrough" shares for a "low risk insured investments only" fund [06:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1099998 = 0.66 BTC [+] [06:32]
pigeons are the holdings of .A public? [06:33]
dub its all low risk DMC [06:33]
dub safe as houses [06:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.11 = 3.3 BTC [+] [06:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2718 @ 0.00036251 = 0.9853 BTC [+] [06:34]
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assbot [GLBSE] [THUNDERCM.MIF.SHARES] 5 @ 0.483 = 2.415 BTC [+] [06:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29492 @ 0.00036527 = 10.7725 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13570 @ 0.0003653 = 4.9571 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00036619 = 15.087 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00036661 = 11.6582 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00036671 = 3.6304 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.00036675 = 17.4206 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50126 @ 0.0003671 = 18.4013 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48727 @ 0.00036754 = 17.9091 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49200 @ 0.00036757 = 18.0844 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00036801 = 14.3524 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58516 @ 0.00036852 = 21.5643 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00036869 = 17.734 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39100 @ 0.0003692 = 14.4357 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35237 @ 0.00036962 = 13.0243 BTC [+] [06:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17032 @ 0.00037006 = 6.3029 BTC [+] [06:37]
BTC-Mining The transparency and safety is in BTC-BOND [06:41]
mircea_popescu you're running out of things to invest in namj [06:42]
pigeons thanks for the link [06:43]
pigeons HRPT does not fit the risk profile for me for .A i would rather they were sold and the btc held until appropriate assets could be found [06:44]
pigeons oh is that what you did? [06:44]
pigeons cool [06:44]
pigeons bless you [06:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00037006 = 5.5509 BTC [+] [06:55]
dub I <3 JoelKatz [06:55]
dub 'I will give you the benefit of the doubt but you are either an idiot or a scammer' [06:57]
Chaang-Noi lol dub [06:58]
Chaang-Noi link? [06:58]
Chaang-Noi he said this too about maged [06:59]
Chaang-Noi I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this was just a bad decision on your part. But several people have already told me privately that they believe you are conspiring with Nefario to appear to pressure him into an agreement that we all know Goat won't accept to shift the blame to Goat. I hope that's not true and that this was just an honest lapse in judgment. [06:59]
mircea_popescu eh ?! [07:01]
mircea_popescu just how thick can this plot get! [07:01]
copumpkin as thick as lexington steele! [07:02]
* copumpkin winks at EskimoBob [07:02]
copumpkin damn, he's not here [07:02]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.46999999 BTC [+] [07:03]
Chaang-Noi oh lol smoovious [07:04]
Chaang-Noi anyone who has read that thread knows what you said. you vs everyone but mages, lol [07:04]
asa1024 people like drama [07:08]
asa1024 they like making it [07:08]
copumpkin I loved Miller's The Crucible [07:12]
copumpkin pretty dramatic [07:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.0003603 = 0.3603 BTC [-] [14:27]
femtotube Chaang-Noi: it's really hard to trust any shares on any exchange now days. [14:36]
Chaang-Noi yup [14:36]
Chaang-Noi i would not buy anything at this time [14:36]
Eisenhower34 true, its hard to trust anybody, not onlyexchanges... [14:37]
Chaang-Noi yup [14:37]
mircea_popescu it'll pass [14:37]
Chaang-Noi no more drama from me mp on the glbse delisting [14:37]
Eisenhower34 maybe if / when pirate pays back? :P [14:37]
Chaang-Noi not sure if you saw my last post [14:37]
Chaang-Noi im sure maged will ban me lol [14:37]
Eisenhower34 at the moment its much easier to list those who didnt default than those who did... [14:39]
assbot [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999998 BTC [-] [14:41]
assbot [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+] [14:41]
Eisenhower34 starting with pirate / matthew / rusty / obsi / BDT / ... the list seems endless [14:41]
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Eisenhower34 hashking / nckrazze / MBT ... [14:42]
Eisenhower34 you only have to go through the lending section and find "scammers" [14:42]
rg [07:39] at the moment its much easier to list those who didnt default than those who did... [14:42]
rg hahah [14:42]
rg pretty much [14:42]
rdponticelli Oh, yes, those who didn't default [14:44]
rdponticelli The would be... [14:44]
rdponticelli s/The/They/ [14:44]
Chaang-Noi i did not default... but was delsited haha [14:48]
Chaang-Noi who else did not default? [14:48]
* farfi hears only crickets [14:51]
Chaang-Noi chirp chirp? [14:51]
* rg defaults for fun [14:51]
rg Chaang-Noi hacked my wallet and stole my BC [14:52]
Chaang-Noi i cant be the only person who did not default can id? [14:52]
farfi tumbleweed then... [14:52]
Chaang-Noi oh there was versicudo or whatever [14:52]
Chaang-Noi he did not default [14:52]
Chaang-Noi any others? [14:52]
rg Chaang-Noi: won't you default if pirate never pays? [14:52]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1947 @ 0.00045474 = 0.8854 BTC [+] [14:52]
Chaang-Noi i paid my insured bonds already, i dont understand your question [14:53]
rg well all your money was with pirate [14:53]
rg if pirate doesnt give it back [14:53]
rg you have no money [14:53]
rg thus default [14:53]
Chaang-Noi i did not give all my money to pirate [14:53]
Chaang-Noi i has risk management skills [14:53]
rg ok 94% [14:53]
Chaang-Noi seems no one else had them [14:53]
Chaang-Noi i paid back everything [14:53]
rg chang [14:53]
rg how many ltc do yuo have [14:53]
rg out of curiosity [14:54]
rg did you get to 100k yet? [14:54]
Chaang-Noi check the address you sent to yesterday [14:54]
Chaang-Noi its well over 100k [14:54]
rg nice! [14:54]
Chaang-Noi fuck im going to buy more at market right now [14:54]
Chaang-Noi watch it go up [14:54]
rg why not sell now for a healthy profit [14:54]
rg ? [14:54]
rg actually i guess it wouldnt be too healthy [14:54]
rg i sold to you at 0.006 before [14:54]
Chaang-Noi i sold a lot at .008 to .006 [14:56]
Chaang-Noi but i bought a lot at .0005 to .002 [14:57]
Chaang-Noi my 100k plus ltc are more or less free [14:57]
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femtotube ;;seen nefario [15:12]
gribble nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 16 hours, 12 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: Those assets are not listed or traded anymore [15:12]
femtotube where is this guy? [15:12]
farfi I guess with all Pirate and goat related stuff gone... has no reason to come here... [15:13]
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femtotube is he in forum? [15:14]
Chaang-Noi are you anti goat stuff farfi? [15:14]
Chaang-Noi he has been afk the forum as well [15:15]
femtotube anti goat? meaningless :) [15:15]
femtotube I am no anti* blah. If one fucked up and other did too, then lets untangle the cluster-fuck and move on. [15:16]
Chaang-Noi not sure how i fucked up but meh [15:17]
femtotube looks like those forum mods have no balls to ask the proper questions :) [15:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10328 @ 0.0003603 = 3.7212 BTC [-] [15:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00036019 = 3.6379 BTC [-] [15:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30372 @ 0.00036003 = 10.9348 BTC [-] [15:18]
femtotube political correctness is the main cause for most of the fuck ups [15:18]
Chaang-Noi i was not being politicaly correct haha [15:19]
assbot [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 3 @ 0.43 = 1.29 BTC [+] [15:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4152 = 0.8304 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 6 @ 0.4152 = 2.4912 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 11 @ 0.415 = 4.565 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 20 @ 0.4101 = 8.202 BTC [-] [15:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [LTC-MINING] 11 @ 0.41 = 4.51 BTC [-] [15:24]
farfi Chaang-Noi- of course not [15:25]
Chaang-Noi okay :) [15:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54121001 BTC [-] [15:26]
farfi Have some myself... waiting patiently... [15:26]
Chaang-Noi i dont know how it will get fixed [15:26]
farfi VERY patiently then :) [15:26]
Chaang-Noi it will be nice if nefario does take liability for things going wrong [15:27]
rg http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57524109-38/justice-dept-to-defend-warrantless-cell-phone-tracking/ [15:27]
rg FUCK [15:27]
rg YOU [15:27]
rg and people wonder why i dont have aphone [15:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.34961279 BTC [-] [15:27]
mircea_popescu lol [15:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.41785599 BTC [+] [15:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [+] [15:27]
mircea_popescu it's ok, i don't have one either. [15:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54121 BTC [-] [15:28]
Chaang-Noi i have a phone,. but i only use it as a portable internet connection [15:28]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [+] [15:28]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.077 BTC [-] [15:29]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.5412 = 3.2472 BTC [-] [15:29]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 5 @ 0.54120001 = 2.706 BTC [+] [15:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.076 BTC [-] [15:32]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [-] [15:32]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.074 BTC [-] [15:32]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.073 BTC [-] [15:32]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.072 BTC [-] [15:32]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.071 BTC [-] [15:32]
Chaang-Noi everything seems sell :/ [15:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54989999 BTC [+] [15:34]
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assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+] [15:39]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.375 BTC [-] [15:39]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.336 BTC [-] [15:39]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.2502 = 1.0008 BTC [-] [15:39]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.25 BTC [-] [15:39]
femtotube even dead cats are not bouncing [15:40]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.54999999 = 4.95 BTC [+] [15:41]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.55 = 4.95 BTC [+] [15:41]
femtotube ok, one dead cat did a tiny bounce :) [15:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35228 @ 0.00036003 = 12.6831 BTC [-] [15:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.0003599 = 5.2905 BTC [-] [15:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8037 @ 0.00035987 = 2.8923 BTC [-] [15:43]
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assbot [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 5 @ 0.01 = 0.05 BTC [+] [16:01]
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assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.067 BTC [-] [16:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 8 @ 0.066 = 0.528 BTC [-] [16:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.06512 = 0.1302 BTC [-] [16:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [-] [16:04]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5966 @ 0.00045478 = 2.7132 BTC [+] [16:09]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.00339 = 0.1695 BTC [+] [16:09]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.24 BTC [-] [16:10]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 11 @ 0.5599 = 6.1589 BTC [+] [16:29]
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Chaang-Noi lol [16:30]
Chaang-Noi the reatrds took the lack of understanding a mining bond to the delisting [16:30]
Chaang-Noi saying nefario delisted cuz i did not mine when i had a mining bond! [16:30]
Chaang-Noi ahhahahahahahaha [16:30]
Chaang-Noi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112551.msg1241829#msg1241829 [16:30]
Chaang-Noi i thought drama was done [16:30]
Chaang-Noi but they keep pulling me back in [16:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.22000001 BTC [-] [16:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.22 BTC [-] [16:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15163 @ 0.00035987 = 5.4567 BTC [-] [16:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24140 @ 0.00035983 = 8.6863 BTC [-] [16:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.60500002 BTC [-] [16:37]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.60500003 BTC [+] [16:38]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.60500001 BTC [-] [16:38]
Chaang-Noi this chan is always active [16:38]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 5 @ 0.605 = 3.025 BTC [-] [16:38]
Chaang-Noi why dead now? [16:38]
Chaang-Noi only action is people selling glbse shares.... [16:38]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-] [16:39]
rdponticelli Exactly, ppl is busy selling [16:41]
rdponticelli Don't found time to talk [16:41]
rdponticelli lol [16:41]
imsaguy2 "payback is to build trust for the future" [16:46]
DeaDTerra evening :) [16:46]
imsaguy2 so basically, anyone doing any business, legit or not, can be labelled a scammer [16:46]
DeaDTerra any angry screaming crowd I have to take care of yet? [16:47]
imsaguy2 not yet today [16:47]
DeaDTerra oki, I have yet to get any death threats so that's a plus. I have had some angry people, but they were very civilized about their anger. I am impressed [16:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 2 @ 0.04499838 = 0.09 BTC [+] [16:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 62 @ 0.04499839 = 2.7899 BTC [+] [16:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.0449984 BTC [+] [16:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 50 @ 0.04499866 = 2.2499 BTC [+] [16:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 20 @ 0.044999 = 0.9 BTC [+] [16:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 170 @ 0.045 = 7.65 BTC [+] [16:48]
rdponticelli I foresee everybody labeled as scammer by default... [16:49]
farfi guilty until proven innocent [16:50]
farfi just like the real world [16:50]
imsaguy2 heh [16:51]
DeaDTerra yea that logic is just retarded. [16:51]
DeaDTerra You are a scammer, why? because you can't prove that you aren't. Well I haven't scammed anyone yet? doesn't matter you can't prove that you won't [16:52]
imsaguy2 essentially [16:52]
imsaguy2 and if you pay everyone back, by definition, that isn't a ponzi [16:52]
rdponticelli That paired with the lynch mobs is scary [16:52]
imsaguy2 but I'll just shut up and go back to my corner [16:52]
DeaDTerra I never guaranteed anything. I actually stated the only thing I guarantee is that I will try my best. [16:53]
DeaDTerra But they will probably get me a scam tag some how anyways. [16:53]
rdponticelli There's no place left in the corner [16:53]
OneEyed I don't think why Chaang-Noi would be labelled a scammer for not investing into mining equipment. I've just posted in the thread asking how it would make a difference. [16:54]
rdponticelli Funnier thing is that I bet most people even made a profit if you count it in fiat [16:55]
DeaDTerra The idea is if he doesn't invest into mining then he might not be able to pay it back hence he's a scamer. [16:55]
DeaDTerra i can see how people have thought but it's not logical. yet again people are jumping to conclusions [16:55]
rdponticelli You have to be aware that you're kind of shorting BTC when you invest [16:55]
OneEyed rdponticelli is the only one converting to FIAT when it's time to compute a profit/loss :) [16:55]
OneEyed Ooops, forgot one word [16:56]
OneEyed rdponticelli: usagi is the only one converting to FIAT when it's time to compute a profit/loss :) [16:56]
rdponticelli OneEyed: I'm not [16:56]
rdponticelli But I'm saying that if you want your btc so much, keep them [16:56]
kakobrekla and if you dont want them, send over here. [16:57]
rdponticelli If you buy equipment, you're investing in the security of the network, but you may lost profitability in pure BTC [16:57]
OneEyed How can people invest in perpetual (i.e. no buyback date!) fixed mining bonds? [16:57]
rdponticelli But if BTC isn't secure, btc is worth nothing [16:57]
OneEyed This reminds be of this "mining turds" thread, which was right to the point [16:58]
rdponticelli So, you have to look at the big picture [16:58]
assbot [GLBSE] [SILVER] 15 @ 0.00999999 = 0.15 BTC [+] [16:58]
rdponticelli There's plenty of people who just throw coins at things... [16:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39933 @ 0.00035983 = 14.3691 BTC [-] [16:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29567 @ 0.00035978 = 10.6376 BTC [-] [16:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.00339 = 0.1424 BTC [+] [17:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1128 @ 0.0033994 = 3.8345 BTC [+] [17:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1018 @ 0.0033995 = 3.4607 BTC [+] [17:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 2212 @ 0.0034 = 7.5208 BTC [+] [17:00]
Chaang-Noi imsaguy2 i loled at that as well [17:00]
Chaang-Noi DeaDTerra you just called me a scammer? [17:01]
DeaDTerra no [17:03]
OneEyed Chaang-Noi: he didn't, he just explained how people seem to see it [17:03]
DeaDTerra I just said that I understand how they are thinking but the logic is totally incorrect [17:03]
Chaang-Noi okay [17:03]
Chaang-Noi okay thanks [17:03]
DeaDTerra Instead of backing the bonds with hardware you are backing it with private capital that doesn't make you a scammer. [17:03]
OneEyed People should learn to do some basic mathematical infinite sums or integration before investing in such a "perpetual" bond [17:03]
DeaDTerra not paying makes you a scammer. But I mean GIGAVPS could just say fuck it I am not paying even though he has hardware, so hardware does not mean securer or better backing. [17:04]
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Chaang-Noi btw sorry to see you leave DeaDT [17:04]
OneEyed (or count on finding gullible people to buy the bonds) [17:04]
Chaang-Noi deadt was about the oly guy i trusted with my btc for a while [17:04]
Chaang-Noi only [17:04]
DeaDTerra I am not leaving, just stepping down for a while ^^ I need to finish school and I need to see how the market develops. I will keep running my own projects behind the scene ;) so don't worry about me [17:04]
Chaang-Noi best of luck [17:05]
DeaDTerra thanks m8, same to you. I hope Nefario changes his mind and relists your assets again. [17:05]
Chaang-Noi he wont [17:05]
imsaguy2 If you buy equipment.. but you may lost profitability in pure BTC << True, but you're also diversifying a bit so taht if the exchange rate starts going down, you'll still have a net gain in USD because of the mining income [17:06]
imsaguy2 its essentially a diversification [17:06]
imsaguy2 people miss that concept [17:06]
imsaguy2 right now it isn't obvious because diff and price are going up [17:06]
imsaguy2 if/when there's a time it comes crashing down again (ala last June), they'll be glad its there [17:06]
rdponticelli Yeap, that's what I meant [17:06]
imsaguy2 Yes, its essentially a short [17:06]
imsaguy2 you can't have everything [17:07]
imsaguy2 there's always a cost/benefit [17:07]
Chaang-Noi if nefario delisted me cuz mining bonds oh lol [17:08]
rdponticelli So, if somebody just want their coins, he must held them himself [17:08]
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rdponticelli If you're putting them somewhere, anywhere, you're risking, and in a way you're shorting [17:08]
imsaguy2 aye [17:08]
Chaang-Noi if you dont hold it you dont own it [17:09]
rdponticelli But is important to notice too that investing in hardware, and even in mining bond, is investing in the security of the network [17:10]
imsaguy2 there's a very rudimentary definition [17:10]
Chaang-Noi who wants to sell me 720 ltc? [17:11]
rdponticelli So what you loose on nominal terms in pure btc, you gain on the relative value between btc and other commodities [17:11]
rdponticelli Because you have a more secure network [17:11]
imsaguy2 lol [17:12]
imsaguy2 ltc, good one [17:12]
Chaang-Noi ? [17:12]
Chaang-Noi you dont like ltc? [17:12]
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rdponticelli imsaguy2: My definition was rudimentary? [17:15]
rdponticelli There's anything wrong with them? [17:16]
rdponticelli s/them/it/ [17:16]
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assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.21530001 = 0.4306 BTC [-] [17:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 5 @ 0.2153 = 1.0765 BTC [-] [17:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 23 @ 0.2153 = 4.9519 BTC [-] [17:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 9 @ 0.2152 = 1.9368 BTC [-] [17:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 50 @ 0.215 = 10.75 BTC [-] [17:17]
Chaang-Noi sell sell sell [17:17]
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mircea_popescu so in case anyone cares : i've switched my blog to english now. [17:19]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/me-they-say/ this'd be the first article. [17:19]
Azelphur it still has that scary dude in the header [17:20]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli coming up next, i'ma weigh on mpex listing criteria. [17:20]
mircea_popescu Azelphur well ya, that's me lol [17:20]
Chaang-Noi anyone think i will get banned for "scamming" from the forum soon? [17:20]
Azelphur :P [17:20]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi i haven't caught up with it all yet [17:20]
mircea_popescu but did anyone get banned for scamming yet ? [17:21]
Chaang-Noi others have [17:21]
mircea_popescu i thought they just tag [17:21]
Chaang-Noi i was told i would get banned if i did not do someht maged asked [17:21]
Chaang-Noi or demanded [17:21]
Chaang-Noi i did not do it [17:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9429 @ 0.00035978 = 3.3924 BTC [-] [17:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52271 @ 0.00035974 = 18.804 BTC [-] [17:24]
imsaguy2 Chaang-Noi: banned? [17:25]
imsaguy2 how are they going to do that? [17:25]
imsaguy2 ip bans are useless [17:25]
Chaang-Noi my acount [17:25]
Chaang-Noi Sorry to bring you into this, but I have to. [17:25]
Chaang-Noi Within the next 48 hours, please CC Maged@lordaeron.org and theymos@mm.st in an email to Nefario that contains the Bitcoin address you want him to send to. GPG sign it if you have a recognized GPG key. [17:25]
Chaang-Noi Failure to do so will result in you being marked as a scammer and possibly even banned for the following reasons: [17:25]
Chaang-Noi 1) Publicly lying about having sent Nefario a Bitcoin address. This will be considered libel and ALL posts, made by anybody, referencing this specific lie will be DELETED to protect the forum from legal action. [17:25]
Chaang-Noi 2) Not attempting to uphold your contract with your investors in good faith. [17:25]
Chaang-Noi I've had it with these games, from BOTH Nefario and you. [17:25]
Chaang-Noi but the thing is... i did not play games or lie [17:26]
Chaang-Noi nefario lied to maged [17:26]
Chaang-Noi and them maged covered for nefario saying it was a misunderstanding [17:26]
imsaguy2 interesting [17:26]
imsaguy2 so now they are claiming libel? [17:27]
mircea_popescu why are you dumping their emails lol [17:27]
imsaguy2 but all the other slanders are ok? [17:27]
Chaang-Noi he then went on to say i was acting in bad faith after i send him the weeks emails [17:27]
mircea_popescu so wait you didn't send a btc address ?! [17:27]
Chaang-Noi theymos told me that PM are not private messages but personallal messages [17:27]
mircea_popescu lolz [17:27]
Chaang-Noi if maged wanted it to be private he would have sent via email [17:27]
mircea_popescu ahaha you little bitch you [17:28]
Chaang-Noi i sent the address to nefario [17:28]
Chaang-Noi not to theymos and maged [17:28]
Chaang-Noi so they can ban my ass [17:28]
Chaang-Noi smoovious... no one cares what you think... you are a retard for not understandig what a bond is [17:29]
rdponticelli lol, getting your ass banned could be the next step... [17:29]
Chaang-Noi i expect they will ban me [17:29]
Chaang-Noi glbse is almost destroyed [17:29]
Chaang-Noi they need revenge [17:29]
mircea_popescu "they" [17:29]
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Chaang-Noi i was going to get banned if i did not do what maged demanded [17:30]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIT.INC] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+] [17:30]
Chaang-Noi how fucked up is that [17:30]
Azelphur GLBSE/MPEx are prolly gonna die anyway, because all the US assets are unable to follow SEC regulations [17:31]
Azelphur so at some point in the future all the US assets will have to delist [17:31]
Chaang-Noi smoovious lick my cock cunt... [17:31]
imsaguy2 Azelphur, even if not illegal, they won't have the funds to defend themselves [17:31]
Azelphur that too :p [17:32]
Chaang-Noi in a way im glad i got delisted. [17:32]
Chaang-Noi im glad im out, but im not glad i cant pay people back [17:32]
Chaang-Noi cuz this shit will not ever end [17:32]
Chaang-Noi you cant even understand how a mining bond works... [17:33]
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Chaang-Noi did you start the scammer thread yet? [17:33]
Chaang-Noi lol [17:33]
Chaang-Noi idot [17:33]
Chaang-Noi sorry typo, i meant asshat.. [17:34]
kakobrekla idot is much worse. [17:34]
kakobrekla smells like iDevice. [17:34]
Chaang-Noi :) [17:34]
imsaguy2 is that like iderp? [17:35]
kakobrekla ya! [17:35]
Chaang-Noi i:) [17:35]
Chaang-Noi i know a lot of people do not like me, and many more even hate me, but really if you cant understand how a mining bond works, this is not the palce for you. [17:36]
Chaang-Noi yes nefario and glbse did exactly what i wanted them to do, im the pupet master... [17:36]
jcpham opportunistic troll here [17:36]
Chaang-Noi lol [17:36]
jcpham read more goddamn goat text [17:36]
Chaang-Noi :) [17:37]
Chaang-Noi smoovious is just jelly, has no btc, so calls me scammer cuz cant understand contract... [17:38]
Chaang-Noi lol [17:38]
* MrTiggr hands out popcoin [17:38]
MrTiggr nomnomnom [17:38]
MrTiggr yu never fail to provide, goat [17:38]
MrTiggr YU TOO smoo [17:38]
MrTiggr :P [17:38]
MrTiggr take yer troll hat off :P [17:38]
MrTiggr kiss and make up you two, we know yu dont mean it [17:39]
Chaang-Noi hey tiggr, how has it been? [17:39]
jcpham my hat comes off and on with ease [17:39]
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MrTiggr o/ goat [17:39]
jcpham it's an old hat [17:39]
Chaang-Noi smoo is hung up on the bonds [17:39]
MrTiggr ya i see that [17:39]
MrTiggr stop feeding the trolls :P [17:39]
MrTiggr no offense smoo [17:40]
Chaang-Noi its been going on for months and he just now is rejecting them [17:40]
Chaang-Noi im bored [17:40]
MrTiggr lol [17:40]
* MrTiggr hands out popcoin [17:40]
Chaang-Noi smoo is the only toy i can play with :9 [17:40]
jcpham Chaang-Noi suicide? [17:40]
* MrTiggr hands out popcoin [17:40]
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Chaang-Noi oh smoo [17:40]
Chaang-Noi not everyone can understand... [17:41]
MrTiggr damn .. whenever i am hungry i just know to look for goat or smoo on my graohs these days :P [17:41]
Chaang-Noi we still lvoe you [17:41]
Chaang-Noi tiggr, odds on my getting banned in the next few days on the forum? [17:41]
MrTiggr go roll a spliff and go watch the blockchain spend for a while at ISeeCoins.org [17:41]
MrTiggr ;) [17:41]
MrTiggr its mezmerizing [17:42]
Chaang-Noi maged said i would be banned in 48 hours... [17:42]
Chaang-Noi its been like 24 [17:42]
MrTiggr lol [17:42]
Chaang-Noi i need weed [17:42]
jcpham banned from what? [17:42]
Chaang-Noi but dont haz [17:42]
MrTiggr is that bitcoin-hours? [17:42]
Chaang-Noi the forum [17:42]
jcpham so make another account? [17:42]
MrTiggr liek dog-years but diff [17:42]
Chaang-Noi why would i make a new account? [17:42]
MrTiggr n1 smoo [17:42]
jcpham because you seem to care about being banned [17:43]
Chaang-Noi i dont care [17:43]
Chaang-Noi well i do care [17:43]
Chaang-Noi i gave 50 btc to the forum as a donoation [17:43]
Chaang-Noi and about 100 btc in adds [17:43]
Chaang-Noi cuz i love btc [17:43]
MrTiggr turn "autolayout" on at iseecoins for maximum psychadelic effect :P [17:43]
MrTiggr chillax [17:43]
Chaang-Noi but if they do ban me, i wont come back [17:43]
chmod755 ;;bc,goatbanestimate [17:44]
Chaang-Noi :) [17:44]
gribble Error: "bc,goatbanestimate" is not a valid command. [17:44]
MrTiggr cuz i love btc << WORD to that [17:44]
Chaang-Noi ahhh damn you gribble [17:44]
MrTiggr thats why we're here isnt it [17:44]
Chaang-Noi they be protecting nefario and glbse [17:44]
Chaang-Noi but i was not wrong [17:44]
Chaang-Noi will they abuse power even more and snuff me? [17:44]
Chaang-Noi we will see [17:44]
* MrTiggr watches as always [17:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 7090 @ 0.00341 = 24.1769 BTC [-] [17:45]
Chaang-Noi im watching too [17:45]
Chaang-Noi but wishing i was high [17:45]
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MrTiggr Smoovious: hrmmm ... mebbe try Ctrl-+ [17:47]
MrTiggr then F11 [17:47]
MrTiggr but damn its pretty :D [17:48]
MrTiggr i like to watch the little dots fire out to a satoshifish as they are spent on 1dice* [17:48]
chmod755 Chaang-Noi, sexually? [17:49]
MrTiggr thnx - noted [17:49]
Chaang-Noi ? [17:49]
MrTiggr notice ive added a "scrfeenshot" button Smoovious [17:49]
MrTiggr so you can save cool shit that hapens :D [17:50]
OneEyed Fuck me, I hadn't seen NYAN.B closing announce. I've missed yesterday's movie of the day [17:50]
Chaang-Noi snuff as in fliming a killing? [17:50]
Chaang-Noi no iv never made a snuff film jackass [17:50]
MrTiggr Smoovious: yes [17:50]
MrTiggr also goto iseecoins.org/Wot.html [17:51]
MrTiggr thats a graph of the otc Web Of Trust ratings system [17:51]
MrTiggr searchable and stuff [17:51]
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Chaang-Noi Cannot GET /Wot.html [17:51]
MrTiggr be patient [17:51]
MrTiggr its bloody huge [17:51]
MrTiggr WoT.html [17:51]
MrTiggr case [17:51]
Chaang-Noi HH [17:51]
Chaang-Noi ahh [17:51]
MrTiggr or gotot the link on the top bar of the main site [17:51]
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MrTiggr ViewGraphs i think i called it [17:52]
OneEyed Isn't there a catch 22 in the proposed motion https://glbse.com/vote/view/156? [17:52]
MrTiggr its there too [17:52]
OneEyed "If implemented, I would not allow investors to cherry-pick assets from the fund but would instead send them a fair mix of around 5 assets, fairly weighted considering the NAV of NYAN.B and the valuation of the securities which the investors have chosen in motion 155." [17:52]
OneEyed So NYAN.B would use its very low NAV, while the assets exchanged for will get the fantasy value if chosen in motion 155? [17:52]
Chaang-Noi yes oneeyed its lol [17:52]
OneEyed (I should read the thread, that may be in it already) [17:53]
kakobrekla all i see is black MrTiggr, opera and chrome [17:53]
Chaang-Noi i see the globe [17:53]
kakobrekla cant see shit captain [17:54]
Chaang-Noi why is the green dot pirateat40??????????? [17:54]
kakobrekla nothing here [17:54]
kakobrekla oh well [17:54]
kakobrekla bbl [17:54]
chmod755 [GLBSE] [GOATSONABOAT] 2380 @ 0.001 = 2.38 BTC [-] [17:55]
MrTiggr it is like 9MB [17:55]
Chaang-Noi oh fuck [17:55]
MrTiggr im sory but its slow [17:55]
MrTiggr but in my defense [17:55]
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MrTiggr its fully serchable and has cool metrics [17:55]
Chaang-Noi MrTiggr very cool [17:55]
Chaang-Noi how can i search it? [17:55]
copumpkin mooooooooo [17:55]
MrTiggr thx goat [17:55]
MrTiggr saerch at top, Chaang-Noi [17:56]
Chaang-Noi if i want to find me what do i search? [17:56]
Chaang-Noi k [17:56]
MrTiggr then full details come up on left panel [17:56]
MrTiggr can navigate from there [17:56]
MrTiggr just search your otc username [17:56]
MrTiggr Smoovious: i have that here on desktop :P [17:57]
MrTiggr just havnet wegl'd it yet [17:57]
Chaang-Noi 'davux' [17:57]
MrTiggr *webGL [17:57]
Chaang-Noi why does it thin chaang-noi is 'davux' [17:57]
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MrTiggr yes just -otc [17:57]
imsaguy2 its old data [17:57]
imsaguy2 its missing many of recent ratings [17:57]
MrTiggr which is stil 2600 nodes and 14K edges [17:57]
Chaang-Noi yeah im not on it [17:58]
MrTiggr yes its 5 days old [17:58]
MrTiggr ive been busy on iseecoins.org [17:58]
imsaguy2 wtf, refresh [17:58]
Chaang-Noi why am i not o it? cuz i never used otc? [17:58]
MrTiggr OKOK ill go refresh now [17:58]
MrTiggr takes me about 45 mins to build a new on [17:58]
MrTiggr yes if you arent rated on otc you wont be there, Chaang-Noi [17:58]
Chaang-Noi ahh [17:59]
Chaang-Noi im not rated [17:59]
MrTiggr aight ..BRB ... off to build the latest WoT Graph [17:59]
Chaang-Noi off for sex [18:00]
Chaang-Noi doubt i will be back tonight [18:00]
Chaang-Noi peace [18:00]
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imsaguy2 off for sex << generally those that say that, aren't getting it [18:04]
jcpham boosh [18:04]
jcpham i got some last night like a boss [18:05]
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jcpham i feel frisky today too [18:05]
imsaguy2 perhaps, but did you leave irc claiming you're about to get some? [18:05]
jcpham no i got the order all wrong [18:05]
jcpham i had the sex first then claimed to have [18:05]
imsaguy2 lol Smoovious [18:05]
imsaguy2 I thought goat was married and had a kid? [18:05]
imsaguy2 please don't tell me he pulled a jesus [18:06]
jcpham is that like a donkey punch? [18:06]
PsychoticBoy off for sex << generally those that say that, aren't getting it<< Or paying for it ;) [18:06]
PsychoticBoy sucky sucky ten dollah [18:07]
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OneEyed PsychoticBoy: that's not like he is in a country where paying for sex is easy and well accepted… oh, wait [18:09]
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PsychoticBoy hehe ;) [18:09]
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PsychoticBoy He had a mining bond named Tygrr-bond.a , and did not have any mining hardware !!! [18:10]
OneEyed Smoovious: you're thinking about a ponzi over a ponzi? That's a possibility on the table since day 1, and bitcoinmax is also suspected to have done that [18:10]
OneEyed PsychoticBoy: well, when you invest in a fund indexed on Euros, an Euro fund, then you have no guarantee that your money is kept in Euros, that's just a reference value [18:11]
PsychoticBoy but still, you cant issue a mining bond when you dont own hardware, its ethical not correct, so FRAUD [18:12]
PsychoticBoy So be saying this, I agree Goat should get a SCAMMER tag and he should never get the chance to issue shares of his crap on ANY exchange [18:13]
OneEyed "Mining bond" doesn't mean you'll mine yourself. Or does it? Or can you invest in a mining operation? Directly? Also indirectly? What is acceptable and what is not? How does that make even a tiny difference for the investors? This is a bond, not a share, you don't own the hardware assets in any way [18:14]
* PsychoticBoy agrees bigtime [18:15]
OneEyed Smoovious: so, please, tell me: what would it change *for you* as an investor? [18:15]
PsychoticBoy everything [18:15]
PsychoticBoy he sold lies [18:15]
OneEyed He sold the promised of a return corresponding to a well known value [18:15]
PsychoticBoy he initially said he hard the hardware to back it up [18:15]
PsychoticBoy *had [18:15]
OneEyed PsychoticBoy: doesn't he? I thought he told he was the majority investor or owner of a massive mining operation? [18:16]
PsychoticBoy lies [18:16]
PsychoticBoy he owns maybe 1 single and some gpu but my little brother also got that ;) [18:17]
OneEyed :) [18:17]
PsychoticBoy thats the whole point ^^ [18:18]
OneEyed Seriously, I think that investors are to blame here. Especially considering this is Goat, whose morality doesn't appear to be that high :) [18:18]
PsychoticBoy he really is a goat [18:19]
OneEyed Nowhere in the contract is what will be done with the money described. What did you think? That he bought hardware, or that he invested into other mining operations? [18:19]
PsychoticBoy no he smoked it all ;) basepipe heaven [18:19]
OneEyed The two alternatives are really different, because in one case there are assets (that the bond owners couldn't claim anyway), and in the second case there are none [18:19]
PsychoticBoy goat major investor in SR, lol, I am just yapping out my ass now [18:20]
* OneEyed is so happy to be investment-free right now [18:20]
PsychoticBoy I personally got more than 1.5k btc in glbse assets so plz let glbse live [18:21]
PsychoticBoy :D [18:21]
OneEyed So, PsychoticBoy and Smoovious: if you invest dollars into a Euro fund, do you expect the dollars to be converted in Euros and be kept as bills? Or do you expect to get dividends based on the fluctuation of the EUR/USD? [18:21]
OneEyed ^dividends^returns [18:22]
PsychoticBoy mining and eur/usd are uncomparable [18:22]
PsychoticBoy div is not the point [18:22]
OneEyed Smoovious: there are some funds where you invest dollars and get equivalent returns of if you had longed Euros [18:22]
PsychoticBoy I dont buy shares specially for div, no [18:23]
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OneEyed Smoovious: people could also invest in mining operations instead of going through Goat if you consider doing it directly [18:24]
OneEyed Was it supposed to be a pass-through or a hardware owner? I still can't understand what investors expected. One or the other or any of them or both. [18:24]
kakobrekla ;;ticker [18:24]
gribble Best bid: 12.714, Best ask: 12.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.09600, Last trade: 12.81, 24 hour volume: 49780, 24 hour low: 12.55, 24 hour high: 12.8999 [18:24]
OneEyed Smoovious: well, Goat operation is, in some sorts, a declared Ponzi, which can work if the reference dividend (1MH/s mining) falls quick enough [18:25]
PsychoticBoy smoovious made the whole point clear: now if he had opened up the bond, named it something other than 'mining' related... that it was a personal loan, and that he would repay the bonds, at a rate determined by difficulty and 1 MH, etc etc etc... that would have been straight up... and we could invest or not, honestly... but no [18:25]
OneEyed (when I say "work", I mean "work for him", because perpetual also means that he has to pay forever if he doesn't buyback) [18:25]
PsychoticBoy so it was indeed a get rich quick scam [18:26]
OneEyed Probably [18:26]
OneEyed With only one benefitor :) [18:26]
femtotube bumm...bummm...bummm [18:26]
OneEyed But even if it had been a real mining operation, it would have been the same for the investors. [18:26]
OneEyed They would have gained or lost exactly the same amount of money. [18:26]
OneEyed The fact that you now *know* that he didn't buy hardware should not change anything of the perception you have of the contract and the expected returns, since they are equivalent. [18:27]
PsychoticBoy I assumed it earlier, I know it for about 3 weeks [18:27]
OneEyed That was my only point. If he had invested into a mining operation, then the investors would not have lost or gained one satoshi. So I don't see why investors are complaining. [18:28]
OneEyed Smoovious: sure, I don't know anything about their dispute. Except that I've seen that Nefario did not explain why he did this, and I lost the trust I had in GLBSE at this time, since I don't know if the same kind of dispute could happen with other asset owners or not. [18:29]
OneEyed So even if Goat is at fault, which may be totally the case, Nefario also is. [18:29]
femtotube why Goat thinks he gets banned? [18:29]
OneEyed Smoovious: but why do you think the risk is heavier? Did he fail to pay? [18:29]
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OneEyed Smoovious: did he not pay and say "sorry guys, I'm broke and I didn't invest your money"? *That* would be a scam, and I would be 100% on your side. But here, now that people know that he doesn't have mining hardware, he cannot even say "My hardware broke, sorry, no returns until I get a replacement" [18:30]
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femtotube "Smoovious | and come on... I can't be the only one who saw how obvious..." Every one with a half a brain must have understood it but you see, lots of pole have coin in his crap so... [18:31]
OneEyed So unless he intends to run, I see that more as a guarantee. I would prefer to invest into a guaranteed 1MH/s equivalent rather than some hardware whose returns would be distributed to me capped at 1MH/s equivalent. [18:31]
femtotube and saved probably most investors coin [18:32]
OneEyed Smoovious: I fault him for the way he handled it as well. [18:32]
OneEyed Smoovious: he acts not only as an exchange but also as a broker. The brokering part cannot be stopped this way, even if the exchange delists (by freezing for example) the asset. [18:33]
OneEyed And handling the brokering part to Goat this way is wrong: not only Nefario didn't use a secure way of identifying the claims, prevent double claims and so on, but also he forces people to go to Goat, while some of them had maybe invested in Goat assets only because GLBSE acted as a middle man [18:34]
OneEyed Smoovious: let's agree to disagree here, I just read the contract, I don't see a fraud, but that is my interpretation. People should learn to read contracts too before investing. [18:35]
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OneEyed Smoovious: he has *no way* to contact them, does he? [18:35]
OneEyed Smoovious: not everyone uses bitcointalk [18:37]
femtotube what do you guy do withe those GLBSE codes? Do I need to send it to nefario to get my coin back? [18:37]
OneEyed Smoovious: I used bitcoins before I joined bitcointalk or the bitcoin channels on IRC. I could have used GLBSE without joining them too (this is not the case as I happened to discover about GLBSE on the forum) [18:38]
OneEyed I don't have any share managed by Goat (nor any share at all at this time), so I can't see the message [18:39]
OneEyed Smoovious: how are bond holders supposed to contact Goat? By email? [18:41]
OneEyed (I haven't seen the message on the forum) [18:41]
OneEyed Ok [18:42]
OneEyed Thiis is *really* not what a broker should do… [18:42]
OneEyed Smoovious: it is obviously, as it is the sole owner of the shares attribution [18:42]
PsychoticBoy It is not compareble with the stock world you know it, its not nasdaq or AEX or some [18:43]
OneEyed PsychoticBoy: why not in this case? You even see coinbr starting as a broker for the MPEX exchange [18:43]
OneEyed The only difference I see is that in the real world, the company itself has the needed information to invite shareholders to general assemblies and such [18:44]
OneEyed Smoovious: right [18:44]
PsychoticBoy It is not comparable, it is an open market [18:44]
PsychoticBoy sure we all (early bitcoin adopters) got spoiled [18:45]
PsychoticBoy thats how it should work on glbse [18:46]
OneEyed Agreed with both of you [18:46]
mircea_popescu I personally got more than 1.5k btc in glbse assets so plz let glbse live << doesn't seem likely at this point. [18:46]
OneEyed Smoovious: are you saying such a imprecise contract would have been refused? [18:46]
PsychoticBoy It is mircea :( [18:47]
mircea_popescu maybe if someone half-competent took over management. which isn't likely given the sort of money it makes. [18:47]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07859999 = 0.3144 BTC [+] [18:47]
PsychoticBoy but I am slowly pulling some btc out, even if its at a loss [18:47]
pigeons capex is the most corrupt of all the SL exchanges [18:48]
OneEyed Smoovious: which is close to my previous point: the contract was imprecise, and did not require nor imply (IMO) that mining hardware would be acquired. Now, GLBSE should take its share of blame for allowing such vague contracts. [18:48]
mircea_popescu OneEyed do you think i should dig up the logs of where i was asking goat to put up pics of his imaginary righs ? [18:48]
mircea_popescu starting march or something like that. [18:48]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: you belong to those thinking he has to own mining rigs to offer such a contract whose coupons are based on a fixed mining performance? [18:48]
mircea_popescu i belong to those who knew he doesn't and pretty much said so 6 months ago [18:49]
mircea_popescu thus are unsurprised now, just vaguely amused at forum "investor" idiocy. [18:49]
PsychoticBoy I know, I also asked goat back in may, but he only said: go ride a bike little boy, so at that point I really lhate goat [18:49]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: yes, I understand. But even knowing he doesn't own some, as long as the investors get exactly what they paid for, i.e. coupons indexed on PPS 1MH/s, I don't see as a violation of the contract itself. But I won't redo the discussion here :) [18:50]
OneEyed I really hope the coinbr/MPEX deal will make a better exchange system. [18:50]
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mircea_popescu OneEyed its not a violation of the contract. it's a contract under false premises. [18:50]
mircea_popescu what deal ? [18:50]
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OneEyed Working together, even if you have nothing to do to make it happen, just let it happen :) [18:51]
mircea_popescu :) [18:51]
mircea_popescu jurov has been working at it for >3 months now i think [18:51]
mircea_popescu tho in truth there were maybe 8 or 9 people/teams that at some point started [18:52]
mircea_popescu but back to the contract : if i sell you a car when i own no car, even if later i acquire and deliver you a car i can still be charged for fraud. [18:52]
mircea_popescu that people in general don't bother is true, but it's still what it is. [18:52]
mircea_popescu obviously it's unclear how much of that does or should carry over into btc. [18:53]
jurov i'm working on it part time since mpex launched beta.. and going crazy from it ... [18:53]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: if I sell you a "temperature bond" whose dividends are indexed on what the average temperature is at 6:00 in Paris every day, would it be a fraud not to invest into hot air? [18:53]
mircea_popescu OneEyed depends if you sell me this bond and claim you will invest into hot air or not [18:54]
mircea_popescu if you claim that you're selling it on the basis of your vast holdings of hot air then yes it is. [18:54]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: I would use the same terms as Goat contract, but replace PPS 1MH/s by "average air temperature at 6:00 minus 20 degrees" [18:54]
mircea_popescu take a simpler example : if you write a bad check, whether you eventually cover it or not, you still break the law. [18:54]
mircea_popescu OneEyed the terms of goat's contract were, at all times relevant, "test". [18:55]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: if you refer to claims made outside of the contract, I have to agree with you, however, if you stick to the contract, I don't see he defrauded people. [18:55]
mircea_popescu ^^ [18:55]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: is it really the case? [18:55]
mircea_popescu yep [18:55]
OneEyed "test"? [18:55]
mircea_popescu exactly so. [18:55]
OneEyed Shit [18:55]
mircea_popescu lol. [18:55]
OneEyed And people bought bonds??? [18:55]
mircea_popescu yes. [18:55]
OneEyed Oh my… [18:55]
mircea_popescu which is why i say, above. [18:55]
OneEyed (yes, UTF8) [18:55]
mircea_popescu forum "investors" and glbse "investing" are jokes, always were [18:55]
OneEyed Where does the contract I've read from then? [18:56]
mircea_popescu people never noticed before mostly cause i wasn't around to point it out. [18:56]
mircea_popescu OneEyed recent and unilateral version. [18:56]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: don't act as if you were *the* messiah announcing what's true and what's not :) [18:56]
mircea_popescu actually i fucked that up, i think it was "Test." [18:56]
OneEyed Eheh [18:56]
mircea_popescu OneEyed except i was :D [18:56]
mircea_popescu my pr girl called the pirate thing a scam, at a time nobody else was, the list goes on and on. for better or worse, i r messiah. [18:57]
OneEyed I've read about Jesus bugs today [18:57]
OneEyed A bug which you have nailed down, but reappears three days later [18:57]
mircea_popescu hahaha [18:57]
mircea_popescu that'd be lazarus neh ? [18:57]
mircea_popescu o no wait, that was the leper, nevermind [18:57]
OneEyed :) [18:57]
OneEyed Btw, I see in Usagi thread (NYAN.B closing) that the girl and others were "locally banned". Is that enforced by the moderators, or do you control yourself? [18:58]
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OneEyed "Backlog digested" [19:00]
OneEyed "Ready to process" [19:00]
OneEyed (it was funnier in my head read with a robotic voice) [19:00]
mircea_popescu OneEyed it's a joke [19:00]
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OneEyed mircea_popescu: I hadn't read the whole thread, I just read your new local rules indeed :) [19:02]
mircea_popescu hm ? [19:02]
OneEyed One thing I don't understand about usagi desire to close CPA: why doesn't he hand it over to someone else if he doesnt' want to manage it anymore? [19:03]
mircea_popescu whom ? [19:03]
OneEyed I don't know, but he would probably know people trusting him to get a healthy asset and that he trusts to hand it over [19:04]
OneEyed Or does that mean that he doesn't know competent people, or that those people wouldn't touch CPA with a 10 foot pole? [19:05]
mircea_popescu it means there are very few competent people, and nobody is interested in a. taking over a blown asset ; b. doing anything on glbse [19:06]
mircea_popescu etc [19:06]
OneEyed Smoovious: why would such a guy take a BTC loan with all the risks if brings? [19:07]
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OneEyed Smoovious: why not invest in $? Or do you want to bring in people with € as well, through BTC? [19:09]
OneEyed Oh, bond, no shares? [19:09]
mircea_popescu o hey, we're over 3mn diff [19:10]
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OneEyed Is that new that LinkedIn is trying to be the new Twitter? [19:16]
OneEyed "Now you can follow thought leaders on LinkedIn - Barack Obama - Follow Barack" [19:16]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Your -pr girl wasn't the only one calling pirate a scam. There were lots of other people. On the other hand, there's still no hard evidence that anyone has seen that it is. Not yet. The only thing going for the notion is time, but there are alternative explanations. [19:17]
midnightmagic Yeah, so? [19:17]
midnightmagic A fictional movie-jail. [19:17]
OneEyed midnightmagic: according to your reasoning, we may never be able to call it a scam, if he continues to pretend he will pay later for centuries. Right? [19:17]
midnightmagic OneEyed: Wrong. [19:17]
OneEyed midnightmagic: note the "may", as we may discover it is a scam by proving it is a scam if, for example, accounting books are found [19:18]
OneEyed midnightmagic: what I'm saying is that in the absence of proof that it is a scam and in the absence of proof that it isn't, given the current situation, it is most likely a scam [19:19]
midnightmagic OneEyed: You said "centuries". [19:19]
OneEyed (it may not be a scam, but pirateat40 has not offered any evidence [not even soft evidence] that the bitcoins were invested in anything real) [19:19]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic earlier than march ? [19:19]
midnightmagic OneEyed: And no, given the balance of probabilities, "most likely" is too strong, even now. [19:20]
mircea_popescu eh come on. [19:20]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: The instant rumours arrived, yes. [19:20]
OneEyed midnightmagic: you are delusional :) [19:20]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic pls to link me or something [19:20]
midnightmagic OneEyed: Don't get me wrong. The balance is on the scam side. [19:21]
OneEyed midnightmagic: you have probably seen many signals that indicate that it may be a scam (people not getting money for the main one, without any explanation). Have you seen any signal that may indicate it is not a scam? [19:21]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: It was on IRC. [19:21]
OneEyed midnightmagic: judging if an investment is a scam is not the same thing as judging people, there is no "innocent until proven guilty", this is much more balanced. And right now, the balance clearly goes to the scam side, and by an enormous lot [19:22]
midnightmagic OneEyed: Yes. The explanations he's given, so far, do not suggest scam. Only the actions themselves suggest an alternate explanation--that being scam. [19:22]
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OneEyed midnightmagic: the explanations were not backed by any fact, right? Any. [19:23]
midnightmagic OneEyed: Speculation on the actions is just that. [19:23]
midnightmagic There are no actual facts about the movement of money either way. [19:23]
midnightmagic Smoovious: He never said publically when. [19:23]
midnightmagic But yes, he did say he would explain. [19:23]
OneEyed midnightmagic: so turn it the other way: only vague declarations may suggest an alternate explanation -- that it is not a scam. [19:24]
midnightmagic But why explain when it could taint any legal defence he might be mounting? [19:24]
midnightmagic OneEyed: Yes, that is why I say the balance appears to be on "scam". However, in the absence of facts, it is foolish to draw firmer conclusions. [19:24]
OneEyed midnightmagic: once again, what makes you believe it can be a non-scam? Only his declarations? You're a trusting guy :) [19:24]
midnightmagic OneEyed: I just told you. I don't believe it's a non-scam. Why do you think this is a binary choice? [19:25]
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OneEyed midnightmagic: sure, it would be foolish to assume in any way it is not a scam, as not a single fact suggests that it is not one. Not one! Did we find out the accounts supposed to have been repayed for example? Or did we get an amount? Nothing, none, zip. [19:25]
midnightmagic Disclosure: I have zero dollars invested; I "own" zero pirate debt. I have zero to gain from his being, or not being, a scam, except in the circuitous rep-of-bitcoin sense. [19:26]
midnightmagic OneEyed: That is correct, it would be foolish to assume or conclude it is not a scam. [19:26]
OneEyed Smoovious: a lot of *facts* call for scam. He took the money. He met only selected people in Vegas when he told he would meet anyone willing to, and some people have testified that they asked him to meet. He pretended that Trendon Shavers was a DBA, and that it was the name of a guy who didn't even speak English. [19:27]
midnightmagic OneEyed: If I had concluded it was not a scam, I would have been on the "buying up pirate debt" train a long time ago. [19:27]
midnightmagic OneEyed: You should be more careful about the word "testified". [19:27]
OneEyed midnightmagic: pretended if you wish [19:28]
OneEyed Smoovious: sure, as I don't expect water to turn into wine on my table, if it does, well, so much the better [19:28]
midnightmagic OneEyed: I would be interested to know about the "name of a guy who didn't even speak English" part. Where did you read that? [19:28]
OneEyed midnightmagic: you could find it on the forum, I'm not sure I would be able to find it in a reasonable time, but you should look for yourself, try "Trendon Shavers" "DBA" "English" if the forum software lets you do that [19:29]
midnightmagic Smoovious: In reality, people should have been more cognisant of the risks: you can't "assume it was" as though you are certain. You just have to evaluate the risk and behave accordingly. [19:29]
midnightmagic Smoovious: For example, hedging against it in direct proportion to your personal certainty. [19:29]
OneEyed Found [19:29]
midnightmagic OneEyed: Thank you, I appreciate that. [19:29]
OneEyed (I'm trying to get thr gith link) [19:30]
midnightmagic sure. [19:30]
OneEyed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108932.msg1187306#msg1187306 [19:30]
midnightmagic much boliged. [19:30]
midnightmagic er.. obliged. [19:30]
OneEyed midnightmagic: sure, people can be lying, maybe he didn't write that, you can never be certain if you haven't witnessed it yourself [19:31]
midnightmagic Smoovious: In my case, I chose not to participate at all, as sticking to my Grand Plan was more important to me. [19:31]
midnightmagic That, and the inertia of how difficult I'd made reconstructing my offline wallet. [19:31]
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assbot [GLBSE] [MMM] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-] [19:37]
assbot [GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 0.544 BTC [-] [19:37]
OneEyed Smoovious: you're realizing that posting this out of context and without any link makes it profundly ininteresting? Not that there is much discussion here. [19:41]
midnightmagic OneEyed: I found pirateat40 saying that in my logs. It was on #btcst, 2012, 08/21, around 14:55:38 pacific time. [19:42]
OneEyed Smoovious: so don't you know any alcoolic person? [19:43]
OneEyed Smoovious: this acknowledges it as a disease, that can be cured, but is not easy to. I guess if the impregnated person was at risk of harming students in any way, then other texts and sanctions would apply. [19:44]
OneEyed Smoovious: sure, as people who get depressed, they can just work this out themselves, no need for help, that's not a disease [19:44]
femtotube what the going price for 1 Mh/s now days? [19:45]
OneEyed I'm not saying that's a reasonable plan, 5 strikes also seem a lot to me. But you should try to put yourself into other people shoes before judging. Do you really think the teacher unions would battle to obtain such a text just for free, out of the blue, without any discussion, just because union teachers get drunk all the time maybe? [19:46]
OneEyed femtotube: ask Nefario :) [19:46]
femtotube OneEyed: lol [19:46]
OneEyed Smoovious: I've seen drunk people be very good teachers, at least in conferences :) [19:46]
OneEyed By "drunk" I mean "intoxicated", not "so drunk that they vomit all over the place" [19:47]
OneEyed (does drinking two glasses of wine make you intoxicated and unable to teach? - depend on the person I guess) [19:47]
OneEyed Here, it is written "under the influence of intoxicating liquor" [19:48]
OneEyed Smoovious: didn't mean you wouldn't have done a good job [19:48]
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OneEyed Smoovious: of course, if it endangers yourself or other people, I can get that! [19:49]
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GamblingMan What's up with the Satoshi Dice dividend yesterday? [19:50]
GamblingMan I bought some shares thinking it would pay a decent dividend... [19:50]
OneEyed Smoovious: but would for example a librarian endanger other people by having drunk a little too much, or should he be helped to avoid that it happens again? [19:50]
GamblingMan Looks like the dividend is less than 6% a year! [19:50]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00045478 = 2.3649 BTC [+] [19:50]
OneEyed Smoovious: yeah, so if you are tired because of the chemo you're taking to fight your cancer, you're fucking with your employer, and he should get rid of you, right? [19:51]
GamblingMan I bought some because mircea_popescu claimed it was the highest paying asset on the GLBSE, but it looks like it is actually the lowest.... [19:51]
OneEyed Because you're not doing your best [19:51]
OneEyed You could delay the chemo until your next vacation for example, it's not like you would die tomorrow. Why should it care that you're trying to buy 5 more years of life in 15 years? [19:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.54140003 = 1.6242 BTC [-] [19:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54140002 BTC [-] [19:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5414 BTC [-] [19:52]
OneEyed Smoovious: you wrote "get my best". So I guess you never stay late with friends either, because you could be tired. [19:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 9 @ 0.5414 = 4.8726 BTC [-] [19:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5412 BTC [-] [19:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 28 @ 0.541 = 15.148 BTC [-] [19:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [-] [19:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [-] [19:52]
midnightmagic ... That's pretty rude. [19:52]
OneEyed Smoovious: nor eat fat food, they make you think slower because more blood is diverted to the stomach, and less to the brain (true fact) [19:52]
midnightmagic OneEyed: That's not a fact. Fats it turns out may be better for humans, including human brains. [19:53]
OneEyed midnightmagic: on the long term, yes, not while you're digesting [19:53]
GamblingMan So nobody wants to talk about assets in here? [19:53]
midnightmagic OneEyed: Also not true, as the insulin spike of even complex carbs is very very bad for you. [19:53]
midnightmagic GamblingMan: Didn't you read what the channel founder said? Free-for-all in here.. lol [19:54]
OneEyed midnightmagic: are you saying that eating fat food compared to a light meal does not divert blood for digestion? [19:54]
GamblingMan Lets free for all talk about Satoshi Dice and how the dividend yesterday sucked ass. [19:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.10169999 = 0.3051 BTC [+] [19:54]
GamblingMan I want to hear someone's opinion on what happened. [19:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 3 @ 0.00951003 = 0.0285 BTC [-] [19:55]
GamblingMan Is the site dying, was it misrepresented, did the volume of bets drop significantly? [19:55]
midnightmagic OneEyed: I'm saying fats crush appetites better than carbs do, and that comparison is a good example of a false analogy. [19:55]
GamblingMan Why did the dividend fall to below that of most high yielding assets on the NYSE? [19:55]
jcpham SD was and always has been boring [19:55]
jcpham as an asset, as a site, and an anything [19:55]
GamblingMan They're flooding the market with shares and cutting the hell out of the dividend. [19:55]
OneEyed Ok, so eating a big plate of French fries makes you more efficient while you're digesting than eating a salad, right? Can't believe this :) [19:56]
GamblingMan Not sure why I thought it wasn't a scam, being listed on the Mpex [19:56]
midnightmagic GamblingMan: SatoshiDice is a distributed denial of service attack that the creators have convinced users to do to themselves, while stealing their money, and forcing the users themselves to bloat their own blockchain .dat files. They are exploiting a human cognitive bias to do so, and are therefore evil. [19:56]
jcpham mpex isn't a scam as far as i know [19:56]
jcpham itake offense to the accusation [19:56]
OneEyed GamblingMan: you have everything you need to compute the expected returns yourself, did you do it? [19:56]
GamblingMan No. I listened to mircea_popescu. :( [19:56]
jcpham problem one [19:57]
GamblingMan Turns out that was a horrible financial decision. [19:57]
midnightmagic OneEyed: Another false analogy. (french fries vs. salad.) You never said french fries and salad in your original false statement. [19:58]
GamblingMan Seems like Satoshi Dice got tired of scamming users and decided to go for shareholders. [19:58]
midnightmagic And neither did I. [19:58]
copumpkin GamblingMan: scamming users? o.O [19:58]
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midnightmagic I'm going to go away now. Feel free to get in the last word. Or two. [19:58]
OneEyed :) [19:58]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.109 = 0.218 BTC [-] [19:58]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.109 = 0.327 BTC [-] [19:58]
midnightmagic fuck, luke, another excess flood?! [19:58]
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GamblingMan copumpkin: Have you ever made 100 best on SD and seen what the actual vs. claimed return is? [19:59]
OneEyed GamblingMan: how are they scamming users? Or shareholders? [19:59]
GamblingMan *bets [19:59]
copumpkin GamblingMan: nope, but isn't it verifiable on the blockchain? they don't provide their own randomness [19:59]
copumpkin GamblingMan: expectation only works over infinite samples [19:59]
copumpkin any finite number can deviate arbitrarily far from it [19:59]
OneEyed copumpkin: they could inject their own transcations at appropriate places [19:59]
GamblingMan Show me 1 independent test that ever gives an above average return with more than 100 bets in the sample. [19:59]
copumpkin OneEyed: how does that help them? [19:59]
GamblingMan You won't be able too... [19:59]
OneEyed copumpkin: don't they know the random numbers in advance? [20:00]
copumpkin OneEyed: no, unless they mine [20:00]
copumpkin and have a lot of mining power [20:00]
GamblingMan Do your own test. [20:00]
OneEyed copumpkin: what do you mean? They work from the memory pool, since they work in 0-confirmation mode [20:00]
copumpkin so you're seriously telling me "I went to a casino and played for days, and I lost money! mommy mommy they're scamming" [20:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 2 @ 0.18620001 = 0.3724 BTC [-] [20:00]
copumpkin lol [20:00]
copumpkin anyway, I have to go to a meeting [20:00]
GamblingMan copumpkin: Only if the casino claimed they repaid 98% and I lost 50% consistently. [20:00]
GamblingMan Satoshi Dice is a terrible site to use, terrible company to invest in, and it is listed on a terrible exchange. [20:01]
OneEyed GamblingMan: if you send me what is needed to play 100 transactions, I'll do it (one line script) and you'll be able to observe the results [20:02]
assbot [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 3 @ 0.09604001 = 0.2881 BTC [-] [20:02]
GamblingMan Their claimed returns for shareholders match their claimed returns to users. [20:02]
OneEyed That would be 0.0105*100, or 1.05 BTC if I'm not mistaken [20:02]
GamblingMan OneEyed: I've already performed several tests. I know what the result will be. [20:02]
GamblingMan I don't need you to do it for me. [20:02]
OneEyed So, what did you find? [20:02]
GamblingMan If you want to see for yourself that SD is scamming, go ahead and test. [20:03]
OneEyed I don't gamble :) [20:03]
OneEyed Why would I play a game where the odds are against me, [20:03]
OneEyed ? [20:03]
GamblingMan Their best claimed return address actuall returns less than 48% consistently in my tests that were performed over a several week period. [20:03]
assbot [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.00961001 = 0.0961 BTC [-] [20:03]
GamblingMan That is why I figured I'd invest with them.... But then the claimed dividend payment was less than 1/3 of what I was expecting after talking to mircea. [20:04]
OneEyed GamblingMan: you should publish your results then, people would be interested in that. [20:04]
GamblingMan OneEyed: I tried once. Everyone bashed me and reacted like people did in here when I mentioned it. [20:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.18620001 BTC [-] [20:04]
GamblingMan I was told that the stated odds "are just guidelines" [20:04]
GamblingMan When in fact their guidelines are 100% inflated. [20:05]
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OneEyed Ohhh, the min bet is 0.001, I thought it was 0.01, so the test could be done with 500 send for .75 BTC [20:05]
OneEyed (including the fees [20:06]
GamblingMan Stating odds that are misleading and then claiming they're guidelines, is what makes me use the word scammer. [20:06]
OneEyed ) [20:06]
GamblingMan OneEyed: Try it yourself with 100. [20:06]
GamblingMan You'll get 45% back. ;) [20:06]
GamblingMan If you use the address with the highest odds. [20:06]
GamblingMan I actually returned an average of 48% through all of my testing... [20:07]
OneEyed Interesting [20:07]
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GamblingMan Interesting indeed. [20:09]
GamblingMan Run a test, publish it, and prepare to be flamed. [20:09]
OneEyed So you're talking about trying it with 1dice9wVtrKZTBbAZqz1XiTmboYyvpD3t? [20:11]
OneEyed Let's do this with 100 x 0.001 runs from 1B7xUkzFcwsaviJQL1XfRJazj4zXC764i7 [20:13]
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GamblingMan What is the stated return on the website for that address? [20:14]
OneEyed Shit, transactions not accepted to memory pool, sucker, after some of them. I'll have to wait a bit to get 100 of them [20:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.0033 = 0.99 BTC [-] [20:15]
OneEyed GamblingMan: 98.1% [20:15]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3740 @ 0.00045477 = 1.7008 BTC [-] [20:16]
GamblingMan Great. I'm expecting your test to return somewhere in the 45-55% range. [20:16]
mircea_popescu is this ognasty again ? [20:21]
assbot [GLBSE] [RAREEARTH] 10 @ 0.00999999 = 0.1 BTC [+] [20:22]
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OneEyed Either I'm doing something wrong with SatoshiDice, or something is wrong on their side… [20:30]
mircea_popescu wha happened ? [20:31]
OneEyed Look at http://blockchain.info/address/1B7xUkzFcwsaviJQL1XfRJazj4zXC764i7?filter=0 [20:31]
OneEyed I send bets of 0.001 [20:31]
OneEyed (the minimum bet) [20:31]
OneEyed to the 97.9% win address, with an expected gain of 1.004x when I win [20:31]
mircea_popescu aha [20:31]
OneEyed And it pays back 0.00050442 [20:31]
mircea_popescu so ? [20:32]
OneEyed It's hardly 0.001 * 1.004 [20:32]
mircea_popescu but it pays back both when you lose and when you win [20:32]
mircea_popescu and it substracts 0.0005 in all cases topay miner fees [20:32]
OneEyed I should win almost every time (97.9% of the time) [20:33]
OneEyed But ok, the .0005 is deduced [20:33]
mircea_popescu .py 0.001 * 1.004 - 0.0005 [20:33]
OneEyed I thought *they* payed it :) [20:33]
OneEyed Ok, makes sense [20:33]
OneEyed Thanks :) [20:33]
markac 0.000504 [20:33]
mircea_popescu OneEyed im not an expert on the entire thing tbh, i just list em. [20:33]
OneEyed Yes, makes perfect sense now [20:33]
mircea_popescu there's a big ass independent audit thread in btctalk, want me to dig it ? [20:33]
OneEyed No, I've read it [20:33]
OneEyed I'm just checking some claims by GamblingMan [20:33]
mircea_popescu those people are significantly more on the ball than i am [20:33]
OneEyed And by doing so, I'm probably increasing his future dividends by 1 satoshi or so :) [20:34]
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mircea_popescu lol i re-read the list, seems to me unlikely he had any shares. [20:34]
OneEyed Hence your ognasty remark, makes sense [20:35]
mircea_popescu well there was some guy bashing by that name, also off webchat, yest i think [20:36]
OneEyed Yes, I was here, using the same IP as OgNasty before [20:36]
mircea_popescu but anyway, iirc AAPL paid something like .5% a year last, so [20:36]
mircea_popescu we're safe on that score [20:36]
GamblingMan OneEyed: What were your results? [20:38]
OneEyed GamblingMan: none, I stopped in the middle and changed the 1dice address in order to diversify the bets, but that should still average the advertised returns [20:39]
OneEyed GamblingMan: I gave you the address, you can follow it yourself [20:39]
OneEyed 1B7xUkzFcwsaviJQL1XfRJazj4zXC764i7 [20:39]
GamblingMan I thought you'd post a nice %. I already know what your results will be... [20:40]
GamblingMan I wanted to see you post the number. [20:40]
OneEyed GamblingMan: I wanted you to send me money to do the test [20:40]
GamblingMan 97.9% - I think not. [20:40]
mircea_popescu what is this, transactional psychology for beginners ? [20:40]
OneEyed GamblingMan: one doesn't always get what he wants [20:40]
OneEyed GamblingMan: did you deduce the fees? [20:40]
GamblingMan No, I pasted your expected return listed above. [20:40]
OneEyed GamblingMan: it looks like .0005 are deduced from the gains [20:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41736 @ 0.00036061 = 15.0504 BTC [+] [20:41]
GamblingMan Strange that a site like Satoshi Dice can't figure out how to send transactions with no fees... That is beginner BTC stuff. [20:41]
mircea_popescu GamblingMan suppose it doesn't want to send them w/o a fee. [20:41]
GamblingMan I'm all for that. [20:42]
OneEyed GamblingMan: if he did, they would not be relayed by standard bitcoind, and people would not see the result immediately [20:42]
OneEyed ^he^it [20:42]
assbot [GLBSE] [GOLD] 5 @ 0.00998999 = 0.0499 BTC [-] [20:42]
mircea_popescu OneEyed anyway, the system whereby you pay post to me, i pay post to you seems pretty fair. [20:42]
GamblingMan mircea_popescu: You claimed in here that SD was the highest yielding asset on the GLBSE. [20:42]
GamblingMan Care to modify that statement? [20:42]
mircea_popescu seeing how it's not an asset on the glbbq... [20:42]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: yup [20:42]
mircea_popescu i doubt i claimed that. [20:43]
GamblingMan It looks more like the lowest to me after seeing the last dividend. [20:43]
mircea_popescu so sell out and invest in something else eh ? [20:43]
GamblingMan "i doubt i claimed that." - ridiculous [20:43]
GamblingMan I've sold off a few thousand shares already this morning. [20:43]
GamblingMan I guess I might as well cut my losses now and sell a few thousand more. [20:43]
mircea_popescu good, so that's settled then. [20:44]
GamblingMan I doubt my asks will ever hit again... [20:44]
GamblingMan Hopefully they do, looks like I took out the decent bid walls. [20:44]
OneEyed GamblingMan: are you using the GLBSE passthrough? [20:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.003225 = 0.9675 BTC [-] [20:44]
mircea_popescu about 66k at 0.32 i see. [20:44]
GamblingMan OneEyed: yes [20:44]
OneEyed GamblingMan: you know that it retains an additional 5% of the dividends, right? [20:44]
mircea_popescu .py 66000 * 0.00320000 [20:45]
markac 211.2 [20:45]
mircea_popescu coupla hundred btc to go. [20:45]
GamblingMan It would have to retain 80% of the dividends to make the yield even close to acceptable for that valuation. [20:45]
OneEyed GamblingMan: so why did you buy in? [20:45]
GamblingMan mircea_popescu claimed it was the highest yielding asset. [20:45]
GamblingMan I took a risk without doing DD. [20:45]
GamblingMan Got burned. [20:46]
GamblingMan now I know that mircea_popescu is 100% full of shit. [20:46]
GamblingMan I am better off now. :) [20:46]
mircea_popescu ahahaha this is ridiculous. [20:46]
GamblingMan mircea_popescu: you were in here bashing someone for not knowing "GSDPT is the highest yielding asset on GLBSE" [20:47]
GamblingMan Your claim was 100% wrong. [20:47]
mircea_popescu well, actually mpoe.etf was for the longest time the highest yielding [20:47]
mircea_popescu not gsdpt. [20:47]
mircea_popescu course from what i hear mpoe.etf is closing down, so too late for that. [20:48]
GamblingMan mpoe.etf was NEVER the highest yielding asset. [20:48]
mircea_popescu !pl mpoe.etf [20:48]
assbot !pl [@] [] [20:48]
mircea_popescu !pl mpoe.etf .1 [20:48]
assbot Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc). [20:48]
GamblingMan Those types of claims are what make you full of shit. [20:48]
assbot MPOE.ETF [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.02470282 BTC. Last price: 0.3 BTC. Capital gain: 0.2 BTC. Total: 0.22470282 BTC. (224.7%) [20:48]
mircea_popescu srsly. it ipo'd at .1 [20:48]
mircea_popescu and i hear it's getting closed out at about 1 or something like that. [20:48]
OneEyed Ok, here is my result. I had .15 at this address, I now have .06685859. I placed 80 + 24 bets (104 total), paying .0005 fees every time I sent and every time I won. I expected: .15 - .0015*104 + 80*(.001*.97653*1.04 - .0005*.97653) + 24*(.001*.244141*4.003 - .0005*.244141) [20:49]
GamblingMan Anyone can IPO anything at whatever they want and then stop selling cheap shares. I know you're familiar with manipulation. [20:49]
OneEyed .py .15 - .0015*104 + 80*(.001*.97653*1.04 - .0005*.97653) + 24*(.001*.244141*4.003 - .0005*.244141) [20:49]
markac 0.056711518152 [20:49]
OneEyed So I lost less than expected [20:49]
rdponticelli S,MPOE It's going to be closed? [20:49]
OneEyed Yeah, I'm lucky :) [20:49]
sgnb sgornick smickles Smoovious SNS SomeoneWeird SuprTiggr` [20:49]
OneEyed (not enough to win money though) [20:49]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli nope [20:49]
GamblingMan You should have stuck with the original test, but I assume after losing a few dozen times in a row using the 98% address, you gave up. ;) [20:50]
GamblingMan Someone buy my last 2,000 SD shares! [20:50]
OneEyed No, I was already above the expectation. You can check itself, I've done no other transaction on this address [20:50]
OneEyed I will not, in order to spend the last 0.05 I have there :) [20:51]
rdponticelli I meant MPOE.ETF... Anyway, do you know if smickles allow to redeem the shares for S.M?POE [20:51]
mircea_popescu at this point im torn whether to ignore the idiot or keep him on for amusement purposes. [20:51]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli that yes [20:51]
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mircea_popescu rdponticelli i think you'll have to ask him that [20:51]
GamblingMan ignore the idiot [20:51]
GamblingMan haha [20:51]
GamblingMan then beg more people to come in here. [20:51]
GamblingMan Garr255 Gladamas GoMaD Graet gribble Grishnakh grubles Guest86490 guruvan guruvan- [20:51]
rdponticelli Yeah, I intended asking, but hes away [20:51]
mircea_popescu GamblingMan your input wasn't really solicited in the matter. [20:51]
GamblingMan ignore me? [20:52]
GamblingMan your input is worthless [20:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3064 @ 0.00036061 = 1.1049 BTC [+] [20:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11574 @ 0.00036061 = 4.1737 BTC [+] [20:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4918 @ 0.00035964 = 1.7687 BTC [-] [20:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20444 @ 0.00035946 = 7.3488 BTC [-] [20:53]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [20:54]
gribble Best bid: 12.72, Best ask: 12.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.08000, Last trade: 12.8, 24 hour volume: 34946, 24 hour low: 12.55, 24 hour high: 12.8999 [20:54]
mircea_popescu .py 14.3961 * 12.72 [20:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.003225 = 2.2575 BTC [-] [20:54]
markac 183.118392 [20:54]
GamblingMan just a few more to sell now... [20:54]
GamblingMan Sucks to take a loss on this crap, but it is what a deserve for funneling money to Mpex. [20:54]
GamblingMan lesson learned. [20:54]
OneEyed Shit, I managed to increase the balance while trying to empty it :) [20:54]
OneEyed I'll try harder [20:55]
GamblingMan Buy my SD shares with it! [20:55]
GamblingMan You can probably buy a few thousand shares. [20:55]
OneEyed GamblingMan: I won't, you told me it was a bad deal :) [20:56]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.003201 = 0.016 BTC [-] [20:56]
GamblingMan Smart man. [20:56]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.1091 = 3.9276 BTC [+] [20:56]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 64 @ 0.109 = 6.976 BTC [-] [20:56]
GamblingMan SELL SELL SELL [20:57]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 38 @ 0.0032 = 0.1216 BTC [-] [20:57]
OneEyed Shit, won again [20:58]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.0032 = 0.32 BTC [-] [20:58]
mircea_popescu it boggles me. do you actually think causing further panic on glbse hurts me somehow ?! [20:58]
OneEyed Argh, more than .10 now! [20:58]
GamblingMan OneEyed: Only an 80% loss? You're rocking that 98% address. lol [20:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [20:59]
OneEyed GamblingMan: you're kidding? I started with 0.15, 0.05 being for the fees! [20:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 1 BTC [+] [21:00]
OneEyed I played 128 games so far, with 0.0005 in fees every time [21:00]
OneEyed And 0.0005 deduced from every win [21:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:00]
OneEyed I'm at 0.09154748 BTC now [21:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:00]
OneEyed I have more than the original 0.15 amount minus the fees [21:01]
mircea_popescu really tho, if it were up to me i'd make the fee larger. [21:01]
mircea_popescu there's really little benefit in all the btcdust transactions [21:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:01]
GamblingMan I agree. At least a higher fee would benefit mining pool owners. [21:01]
OneEyed GamblingMan: but I've no doubt I'll loose everything, but right now, my returns are more than 100% if you remove the fees (which were high because I chose to start with .001 + .0005 of fees) [21:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [CBGB] 2 @ 0.48 = 0.96 BTC [-] [21:01]
OneEyed So if the game is flawed, it's biased towards me right now, I guess that's why you get low dividends :) [21:02]
OneEyed Ok, now let's lose those .9 for good [21:02]
kakobrekla ;;seen usagi [21:02]
gribble usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 40 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: I can bounce back but it would really piss me off [21:02]
OneEyed (oops, .09, not .9) [21:02]
GamblingMan Why would usagi bouncing back piss him off? [21:03]
mircea_popescu OneEyed actually they did have a shit month, about half down from statistical expectation [21:03]
GamblingMan I have a feeling that next month will be even shittier. ;) [21:03]
GamblingMan Anyone want to bet on THAT? [21:03]
mircea_popescu i remember even a decade ago, the shills were a lot better. [21:03]
GamblingMan Same shill from 2 decades ago right here. ;) [21:04]
mircea_popescu GamblingMan if you were someone, as opposed to random anon you could prolyl borrow shares and sell them for your bet. [21:04]
GamblingMan borrow shares? [21:04]
GamblingMan Why would I want to pay interest to own shitty shares? [21:04]
mircea_popescu you're new at this entire finance thing are you. [21:05]
GamblingMan I expect the interest on borrowing would be higher than the dividends. [21:05]
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GamblingMan I'm not a finance expert if that is what you're asking. [21:05]
GamblingMan I'm just a guy with a shit ton of BTC and was looking to put some of it to work. [21:05]
GamblingMan Satoshi Dice was a bad first investment. [21:06]
OneEyed Yeah, I ended up with 1 satoshi on this address [21:06]
GamblingMan So let me ask you this mircea_popescu: What is the worst investment I could make on the GLBSE? [21:06]
mircea_popescu i have no ideea, i don't follow that much. [21:06]
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GamblingMan C'mon. I really would like to buy the worst asset in your opinion and track the results of it vs. SD [21:07]
GamblingMan Give me a guarenteed loser. [21:07]
GamblingMan Garr255 Gladamas GoMaD Graet Grishnakh Guest86490 [21:07]
mircea_popescu ignore GamblingMan ALL [21:07]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:07]
GamblingMan I guess he doesn't like giving investment advice now? [21:08]
GamblingMan He was quick to recommend Satoshi Dice before... [21:08]
GamblingMan Now I can't even get a crap recommendation... [21:08]
OneEyed I'll guess this transaction will take a long time to be included in the blockchain, 1 satoshi and no fee: http://blockchain.info/tx/7fd45788453c8da25498335623a52acc9215071543b2f1055773ac33321bbceb [21:08]
GamblingMan Nobody likes my 69 share trades? [21:09]
GamblingMan!*@* added to ignore list. [21:09]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:11]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:11]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:12]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:14]
rg [14:06] So let me ask you this mircea_popescu: What is the worst investment I could make on the GLBSE? [21:16]
rg probably a dead asset.. [21:16]
mircea_popescu such as... what ? all of them ? [21:16]
jurov lol, like mircea's biggest expert on glbse :) [21:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23856 @ 0.00035946 = 8.5753 BTC [-] [21:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00035943 = 8.6623 BTC [-] [21:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11544 @ 0.00035922 = 4.1468 BTC [-] [21:18]
PsychoticBoy mircea dont act like glbse lists only scams and death assets to make mpex look good, its not cool [21:19]
jurov GamblingMan.. and what do you guess about me? [21:19]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITCOINTORRENTZ] 2 @ 0.35 = 0.7 BTC [+] [21:19]
jurov you can visit coinbr.com to improve your guess [21:20]
jurov yep [21:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 1 @ 0.57000001 BTC [-] [21:21]
assbot [GLBSE] [MOVETO.FUND] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-] [21:21]
jurov it's pretty much nicely explained on it [21:21]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:21]
jurov i'd like to know what would you say about GamblingMan, if you forgot that was you [21:21]
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jurov If. [21:22]
jurov yes. and i'm too lazy to open it.. am not alone it sems [21:23]
jurov *seems [21:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.07110001 BTC [-] [21:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 35 @ 0.0711 = 2.4885 BTC [-] [21:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 53 @ 0.0032 = 0.1696 BTC [-] [21:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.53999999 BTC [-] [21:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.03980004 BTC [-] [21:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.0398 BTC [-] [21:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 21 @ 0.0711 = 1.4931 BTC [-] [21:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 15 @ 0.071 = 1.065 BTC [-] [21:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 1 @ 0.103992 BTC [-] [21:32]
mircea_popescu PsychoticBoy tis the sad truth of the matter. [21:32]
assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.01999999 BTC [+] [21:33]
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assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 1 @ 0.027 BTC [+] [21:33]
assbot [GLBSE] [M.ETF] 13 @ 0.051 = 0.663 BTC [-] [21:33]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.21089998 BTC [+] [21:35]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/ [21:41]
mircea_popescu comments welcome. [21:41]
chmod755 [GLBSE] [MIRCEAPOPESCU] 10 @ 0.021 = 0.21 BTC [+] [21:42]
mircea_popescu ahaha nowai ? [21:43]
mircea_popescu o. lol/ [21:43]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1160 @ 0.00045477 = 0.5275 BTC [-] [21:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4899 BTC [+] [21:45]
assbot [GLBSE] [NASTY] 2 @ 0.49 = 0.98 BTC [+] [21:45]
mod6 wat?! [21:48]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 69 @ 0.0032 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [21:48]
mircea_popescu mod6 trilema, now is english. [21:49]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.07488989 BTC [+] [21:58]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.0748899 BTC [+] [21:58]
mircea_popescu gawd the forum-glbse-goat drama just keeps on givin'. [21:58]
asa1024 w00t for more drama!!! [21:59]
kakobrekla urlpls [22:00]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112551.msg1241881#msg1241881 [22:01]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [+] [22:06]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 3 @ 0.008988 = 0.027 BTC [+] [22:08]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 14 @ 0.01 = 0.14 BTC [+] [22:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63900 @ 0.00036106 = 23.0717 BTC [+] [22:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2389 @ 0.00036124 = 0.863 BTC [+] [22:09]
femtotube How can this usagi delete posts from his forum thread? [22:09]
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kakobrekla why do you people keep switching your nicknames [22:10]
mircea_popescu everyone can delete their own posts [22:12]
Diablo-D3 smickles: sorry, I have to turn you down on your accounting offer [22:16]
Diablo-D3 smickles: I think Im just going to continue buying back DMC until theres none left [22:16]
mircea_popescu in which case accounting might even be detrimental :D [22:16]
mircea_popescu http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/iran-crackdown-money-changers-currency-102042205.html [22:16]
mircea_popescu iran needs bitcoin [22:16]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: they execute people over there for using tor [22:16]
mircea_popescu myea [22:17]
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Ignatius-otc so mircea_popescu I was reading your recent post ( http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/ ) and can't help but wonder about potential listing son mpex. per the guidelines listed virtually no businesses qualify [22:31]
Ignatius-otc is there anything in the works to bring in new assets to mpex, or are you just letting that take care of itself? [22:31]
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rg chang [22:33]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1440 @ 0.00045477 = 0.6549 BTC [-] [22:34]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: s^Kludge^Kluge, s^ideea^idea [22:35]
Ignatius-otc true^ [22:35]
OneEyed Maybe s^financial business^financial instrument [22:36]
mircea_popescu OneEyed the first is intentional. [22:38]
mircea_popescu i'm that mean. [22:38]
OneEyed :) [22:38]
OneEyed Trilema was the BBS? [22:38]
mircea_popescu taking the 5th [22:39]
OneEyed :) [22:39]
mircea_popescu and took out the business altogether. a financial. we can noun [22:39]
OneEyed Fuck your link to David Thorne site, last time I landed there I spent two hours reading it [22:41]
mircea_popescu you're screwed. [22:42]
mircea_popescu and his name is bo ftr. [22:42]
mircea_popescu short for bob. [22:42]
femtotube "mircea_popescu | everyone can delete their own posts " no, he ask forum mods to delete users questions from the form threads he has started [22:43]
mircea_popescu o ?1 and they do ? [22:44]
femtotube look like they do [22:44]
femtotube looks* [22:44]
femtotube AMAZING! :) [22:44]
mircea_popescu o nowai ? [22:44]
OneEyed femtotube: that's what I was asking earlier today, since it looked like some of the girl posts had been removed, I wondered if it was self-control or moderation [22:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.0748899 BTC [+] [22:44]
OneEyed Oops, was directed to mircea_popescu [22:44]
mircea_popescu OneEyed there were ? [22:45]
mircea_popescu o boy, she'll be livid. [22:45]
femtotube https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114921.0;topicseen look at this [22:45]
Ignatius-otc rightfully so [22:45]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114921.msg1241624#msg1241624 [22:45]
mircea_popescu this is still there ? [22:45]
femtotube https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114921.msg1242516#msg1242516 [22:45]
femtotube hold on, my mistake I looked at the wrong url :) [22:46]
mircea_popescu lol just because the nitwit deletes her content in a quote she makes [22:46]
mircea_popescu doth not mean the forum mods are insane. [22:46]
Ignatius-otc mircea_popescu, is there anything in the works to bring in new assets to mpex, or are you just letting that take care of itself? [22:47]
femtotube huh... I almost thought that mods are gone mad too. Sorry [22:47]
mircea_popescu Ignatius-bot there's a lot in the works, but these are finnicky things to do even when you're not working in btc [22:47]
mircea_popescu my main focus is getting futures with delivery listed atm. which is... impossible, pretty much. [22:48]
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assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 82 @ 0.11 = 9.02 BTC [+] [22:48]
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OneEyed New stuff about bitcoinica in #bitcoin-otc: phantomcircuit | as far as i can tell now bitcoinica has not ever been able to cover it's obligations [22:50]
OneEyed phantomcircuit | and tihan seale aka wendon group has not EVER put funds into the business despite phantomcircuit | and tihan seale aka wendon group has not EVER put funds into the business despite repeatedly saying he has [22:50]
jcpham that was a rumor [22:50]
jcpham that bitcoinica was insolvent at the moment the consultancy took control [22:50]
OneEyed Well, I guess phantomcircuit is quite a good source [22:50]
jcpham ikr [22:50]
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mircea_popescu OneEyed that's hardly new stuff. [22:51]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: I haven't read it before [22:51]
mircea_popescu the reason tihan got involved was simply that zhou was bleeding equity [22:51]
mircea_popescu it's in emails published a while ago [22:51]
OneEyed But I have never even used bitcoinca, so it was more like yet another movie to me [22:51]
mircea_popescu i never used it either. [22:51]
dub I lost $7 [22:52]
mircea_popescu OneEyed do you actually care to see it ? [22:52]
OneEyed No :) [22:52]
pigeons mircea_popescu: oh so you're working on a system where users can take delivery or provide hash power for the contracts? [22:56]
mircea_popescu no. i am working on a system where users can pay bitcoin and take WTI [22:56]
OneEyed WTI == ? [22:56]
pigeons good, keep it as a bucket shop ;) [22:56]
mircea_popescu light sweet crude. or whatever, really, as long as it's settled physically. [22:57]
mircea_popescu this will be the driver making bitcoin cross the 1k usd barrier : when people finally figure out they can settle intl trade in commodities anon. [22:57]
mircea_popescu will give the govt a hissy fit. [22:57]
Ignatius-otc lol [22:58]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: I just realized that on your post, you don't answer the "how does one list on mpex". Shouldn't you at least give an email to use to propose you a new asset for MPEX? [22:58]
mircea_popescu OneEyed no. [22:59]
dub femtotube: can you show us a fixed mh mining bond that does have actual hardware hashing? [22:59]
mircea_popescu if they can;t find the email / irc in the faq im too beelitist for them. [22:59]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: so this is more "What can be listed on MPEX?", not "How does one list on MPEX?". [22:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13911 @ 0.00036124 = 5.0252 BTC [+] [22:59]
mircea_popescu dub giga's neh ? [22:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15589 @ 0.00036128 = 5.632 BTC [+] [22:59]
mircea_popescu OneEyed stickler. [22:59]
dub mircea_popescu: gig has under half of the 200gh he has issued [22:59]
mircea_popescu mmm [23:00]
Ignatius-otc thats sick [23:00]
mircea_popescu i thought he had about 40% in gpus and about 90% in fpga ? [23:00]
dub I think bob and others have had an extra hard week buying off SR [23:00]
dub crack cocain is a helluva drug [23:00]
dub http://gigamining.com/mgpumon/ <-giga [23:01]
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mircea_popescu dub that's the gpu farm tho [23:01]
dub mircea_popescu: no, its pgas [23:01]
mircea_popescu there's two tho. [23:02]
mircea_popescu http://kcmo.gigamining.com:41080/ [23:02]
dub well theres a few gpus in there [23:02]
mircea_popescu no listen. there's the one you linked. old one. and there's this new one [23:02]
dub thats still only 150gh total [23:03]
dub he has admitted this in the forum [23:03]
mircea_popescu http://gigamining.com/ top links up there [23:03]
dub has YABMC ever shown evidense of having hashign to back it, beyond 'imsaguy has a farm' [23:03]
mircea_popescu SUMMARY 51,231.88 + 99 so i guess you're right, like 150k [23:03]
Diablo-D3 how many blocks until reward cut [23:04]
mircea_popescu still, 150k + the 4 rigs he has on order, i'd say it's pretty decent [23:04]
dub its been a lot less too [23:04]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 it works out to november the 30th [23:04]
Diablo-D3 that soon? meh [23:04]
dub my point that for most bonds its only ever been loosely implied that there is hashing backing them [23:04]
dub and there is no way to tell or reason to care [23:05]
mircea_popescu dub there's reason to care. way to tell is a little complex. [23:05]
dub I guess theres the implication that someone with a large farm is likely to continue having bitcoins [23:07]
mircea_popescu dub mh bonds w/o a farm are like usagi insurance : they work great unless they become useful (ie, diff drops) [23:08]
dub but the contracts are quite clear, its not even suggested that the dividends come from mined coins [23:08]
mircea_popescu in wehich case chain-of-default and "who would have thought of this" [23:08]
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dub imo it takes teh same level of idiocy to assume mining bonds have hashing and that usagi has the money to actually insure shit [23:11]
dub the trust in mining bonds came from the issuers reputation [23:12]
Ignatius-otc I always assuemd usagi could payout. I contacted him about insuring an asset and was told I could be covered for every bitcent I deposited into the insurance plan...thats not ins;) [23:12]
dub Ignatius-otc: its great that he told you stuff but seriously.. [23:13]
Ignatius-otc no, dub, I mean he only offered to cover what was paid in. real insurance does not work quite like that [23:13]
dub why did you assume in the first place that this random person with no reputation, that cant even decide on the sex of the internet personal it projects, would do anything it said it would [23:15]
Ignatius-otc large asset issuer, plenty of people who claim he is trustworthy [23:15]
Ignatius-otc well, at *that* time [23:15]
mircea_popescu Ignatius-otc ikr ? [23:15]
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Ignatius-otc I wanted to issue my own asset on glbse so I contacted several current issuers including usagi. I saw he ran CPA so I inquired about insuring my asset for shareholder benefit. Nothing ever came of it [23:16]
dub this is really the root of the problem [23:17]
Ignatius-otc At the time I even mentioned to him it would be beneficial if the insurer defaulted and my asset didnt, should have added some credibility;) [23:17]
dub scammer can simply creat a lot of 'companies' and people magically assign trust [23:17]
mircea_popescu http://paste.pound-python.org/raw/24149/ looky what the trawlers dredged up [23:17]
Ignatius-otc theres not much magic to it dub [23:17]
Ignatius-otc you act as if the guy didnt hang around for months paying out divs normally [23:17]
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dub which asset? [23:18]
Ignatius-otc was that directed at me dub? I havent owned his assets but nyans paid out fine? [23:20]
dub nyans have been around for months? [23:20]
Ignatius-otc so you are saying usagi does not have any assets which are odler than 3 months and have paid out divs consistently? [23:21]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [+] [23:21]
Ignatius-otc I thought he did, a minign turd at the least? If not nevermind my apologies [23:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-] [23:23]
dub its cool that GLBSE doesnt list the date an asset was created [23:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35811 @ 0.00036128 = 12.9378 BTC [+] [23:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12073 @ 0.00036159 = 4.3655 BTC [+] [23:24]
mircea_popescu dub wink wink [23:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.54 BTC [+] [23:25]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5562 BTC [+] [23:25]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.5598 = 1.1196 BTC [+] [23:25]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [-] [23:26]
Ignatius-otc I give up, I spent some time searching the forums but fail to find an asset meeting my criteria, lawl [23:27]
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Ignatius-otc are there any assets you can recommend dub? [23:28]
mircea_popescu Ignatius-bot ;) [23:28]
dub none atm [23:29]
dub I'd GTFO GLBSE if you still can tbh [23:29]
Ignatius-otc I pulled out awhile ago:( I tried really hard to make it work there but couldnt do so. [23:30]
dub hard to have faith in assets issued on a scam exchange [23:30]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [-] [23:30]
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assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.19000001 BTC [+] [23:32]
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mircea_popescu !ticker s.mpoe [23:45]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.00035922 / 0.00036301 / 0.00037006 (1917311 shares, 696.02 BTC), 30day: 0.00034 / 0.00038901 / 0.00042 (64296880 shares, 25,012.49 BTC) [23:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3900 @ 0.00045476 = 1.7736 BTC [-] [23:49]
assbot [GLBSE] [PIMP] 1 @ 0.08999999 BTC [+] [23:50]
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