Forum logs for 03 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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bounce checkdavid is "everyone" now? [00:00]
mircea_popescu i'm being journalistic, stop hating. [00:01]
mircea_popescu do you want me to go practice my pistol skills on leah's range ? [00:01]
Mats_cd03 sounds hot [00:01]
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bounce turns out "everyone" hates paparazzi. scientific fact. [00:02]
CheckDavid My friends criticize my likings in woman [00:02]
CheckDavid That's why I said it's style [00:03]
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CheckDavid *my [00:03]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nice find [00:03]
bounce s/coce/coke/ and I didn't even notice. such a den of corruption. [00:03]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid i nearly said "well fuck them", but then i checked myself. [00:04]
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mircea_popescu so people who have been following asicminer a lot closer than me... how bad is it ? [00:05]
mircea_popescu missed dividends et all, whole thing coming unglued ? [00:05]
thestringpuller ;;mine [00:07]
gribble Error: "mine" is not a valid command. [00:07]
thestringpuller ;;generate [00:08]
gribble Error: "generate" is not a valid command. [00:08]
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thestringpuller ;;gen [00:08]
gribble Error: "gen" is not a valid command. [00:08]
mircea_popescu genrate dude. [00:08]
thestringpuller thank you mircea_popescu [00:08]
thestringpuller :P [00:08]
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mircea_popescu bounce waits for a couple of /good/ devs and assorted other techies to team up and find themselves /competent/ management to lord it over them. that'll be the day. <<< how the fuck do you think mpex works. [00:09]
BingoBoingo !t h am1 [00:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.57100010 / 0.57405722 / 0.61789884 (85 shares, 48.79486377 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60507272 / 0.67470380 (725 shares, 438.67772256 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.61177017 / 0.69510000 (3175 shares, 1942.37027936 BTC) [00:10]
thestringpuller time at work flies when mircea_popescu is online [00:10]
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mircea_popescu kik [00:10]
thestringpuller I thank you for making my work day during "busy work" from keeping me from going insane. [00:10]
jurov [00:11]
mircea_popescu [00:11]
jurov IPO for scratch cards. Not impressed. [00:11]
ozbot Prypto Group Limited to be listed on from April 15th, 2014. | The Bitcoin News [00:11]
mircea_popescu have a coupla metro whores. [00:11]
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moiety CheckDavid: they bring the girls, i infiltrate -assets with cute :D [00:11]
* bounce can't afford mpex so no idea how it works [00:12]
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mircea_popescu (you can tell they're strippers by the back grill they sport there) [00:12]
Mats_cd03 they need to spend more time in the gym [00:12]
mircea_popescu at their age ? [00:12]
BCB [00:13]
ozbot Dilbert comic strip for 04/02/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive. [00:13]
mircea_popescu i think that makes 5 ? [00:13]
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jurov BCB, Trezor folks used this on facebook and wrote a comment "can't happen with Trezor" [00:13]
moiety there a fight going on outside somewhere :( [00:13]
jurov do tell about missing a point [00:13]
CheckDavid moiety: haha good job [00:13]
moiety there's* [00:14]
moiety sorry im like super distracted this pat few days [00:14]
BCB jurov: link? [00:14]
punkman moiety, [00:14]
bounce bitcoinbourse is the "I SUE YOO" guy, no? [00:14]
moiety jurov: omg!! lololololol [00:14]
moiety jurovan* sorry i have no idea why i typed jurov [00:15]
jurov [00:15]
Mats_cd03 i drooled butt grease from bad pizza once [00:15]
moiety punkman -- im still doing it [00:15]
mircea_popescu lmao [00:15]
Mats_cd03 true story... ruined some shorts [00:15]
mircea_popescu moiety got a crush ? [00:15]
moiety lol i havent even talked to him for a few days lol [00:15]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 i think that's called olestra. [00:15]
jurov bounce, that's dotcoin [00:16]
moiety mybrain totally isnt in gear, sorry again punkman [00:16]
Mats_cd03 it was a place called ciceros pizza thats in san jose ca [00:16]
jurov bounce, not sure if that's the guy you hace in mind [00:16]
* bounce has been reading too many things lately [00:16]
Mats_cd03 cicero is an asshole, apparently [00:16]
mircea_popescu so kraken pretty much sunk post theyr 600 btc debacle did it. [00:16]
mircea_popescu a well. live and fucking learn, when the girl tells you to stfu and fix things you stfu and fix things. [00:17]
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mircea_popescu o wait... the girl is no longer on the forum. inexplicably, all the rubes muchly relieved. d'oh. [00:17]
bounce of course. saves a lot of singtfu and fixing things. [00:17]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic as far as i know, stamp's problems in our heads all trace to kakobrekla not likeing them, which was a year ago and he never really explained past "i met them and they're fucktarded". [00:18]
bounce the -assets rating agency in action [00:19]
kakobrekla go ahead and like them. [00:19]
jurov kako explained he has inside info about bitstamp being in mysql backed once a day or so [00:19]
jurov and about nejc being an asshole [00:19]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i ain't arguing, you speak their language. [00:19]
* bounce would concur with the mysql verdict [00:19]
jborkl mircea_popescu> so kraken pretty much sunk post theyr 600 btc debacle did it. ?? [00:19]
jborkl they out [00:19]
jborkl ? [00:19]
kakobrekla kako explained he has inside info about bitstamp being in mysql backed once a day or so < on the same server. only. [00:20]
mircea_popescu jborkl apparently doing less volume on their exchange than i do buying stockings. [00:20]
mircea_popescu the -assets rating agency in action << word. [00:20]
Neil More insane hashing power seems to have hit the network. With the price dropping precipitously there must be miners who are hurting. [00:20]
Mats_cd03 good [00:20]
mircea_popescu Neil yeah. the ones not backed by governments. [00:20]
jborkl oh and now that -pr is banned, who is going to tell the 3 sock puppets they suck? [00:21]
bounce backups on the same server. oh dear. well, I suppose it /might/ guard against mysql inexplicably fscking up in some creative way or other [00:21]
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mircea_popescu jborkl the theory i heard was more like "well now that mpoe-pr is not there to walk all over their faces, kinda lost interest in the whole show" [00:21]
mircea_popescu apparently more poeople were tuning into tardstalk to check out the lady with a chainsaw at the special olympics [00:22]
mircea_popescu than for the actual special olympics. [00:22]
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jborkl good point [00:22]
kakobrekla and also, "he never really explained past " < - i did a lot of explaining around, just maybe not in your private window. [00:22]
bounce does give the test to the "been propping them up" hypothesis [00:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla was it in the log somewhere ? [00:23]
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kakobrekla forums, logs, emails, written in stone, you name it [00:23]
mircea_popescu cool lol. [00:23]
Neil 6 blocks in 10 mins ffs [00:23]
mircea_popescu far as i'm concerned it's still "kako didn't like them" [00:24]
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kakobrekla well they dont know what they are doing [00:24]
mircea_popescu my brain actually works like this. once you become stupid i might start caring about the details of whart they did. [00:24]
kakobrekla i dunno why i should like them. [00:24]
bounce the brave new bitcoin world so needs code auditors, as well as financial auditors. [00:24]
mircea_popescu but until then, whatever. too much stuff to remember anyway. [00:24]
BingoBoingo .d [00:24]
ozbot 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 503 blocks | Estimated Change: 17.8722% in 2d 20h 48m 20s [00:24]
kakobrekla eh mp, question everything. [00:25]
mike_c it's all explained right here. [00:25]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla "why am i lazy ?" [00:25]
kakobrekla does this has something to do with your last line in pm? [00:25]
kakobrekla have [00:25]
bounce heck, not even code autitors so much as systems design auditors [00:25]
mircea_popescu no, that's different lazy. [00:26]
mircea_popescu bounce let's not bounce ahead of ourselves by leaps and bounces. [00:26]
mircea_popescu start by getting everyone to FUCKING REPORT BY STANDARD! [00:26]
bounce vewwy punny [00:26]
kakobrekla anyway i slept for an hour, been up all day, need a break. later [00:26]
mircea_popescu there's a standard, every fuckwit dimwit and captain foreskinhead out there thinks they know better. [00:26]
mircea_popescu cheers. [00:26]
mircea_popescu this one's for moiety : [00:27]
bounce You are the unexpected inquisition and I claim my comfy chair, thanks. [00:27]
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moiety yay hollandish outings! nice windmill mircea_popescu :P [00:29]
thestringpuller ;;google airgap [00:29]
gribble How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; Octombrie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [00:29]
moiety this one is for punkman: [00:29]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: how much must we pay for a "production guide" ? [00:30]
moiety why do i live in scotland and not holland? seriously [00:30]
bounce because you don't like genever [00:31]
punkman this is for people who want to start an "exchange": [00:31]
moiety bounce: i believe i would though [00:32]
KRS-One heh [00:32]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller a production guide ? [00:37]
mircea_popescu aww poor happy, has to wear freezer bag shoes now ;/ [00:37]
moiety lol [00:39]
mircea_popescu cads: hey guys, where should I learn marketing? << for srsly. [00:39]
moiety ok i promise to refrain [00:39]
cads mircea_popescu: I have all the marketing acumen of an aspergers kid. [00:40]
cads note how the idea that I compile a list of companies that might need my services and cold call them was like this huge epiphany for me :) [00:40]
mircea_popescu it shows. but srsly, it's a pretty large topic. [00:40]
mircea_popescu what are you doing even ? saas ? [00:40]
cads prototyping as a service [00:41]
mircea_popescu you don't coldcall something like that. [00:41]
mircea_popescu you ask your previous custom to refer new custom. [00:41]
mircea_popescu "Hey, we're looking to expand, can you think of anyone who could use our services ?" [00:41]
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ThickAsThieves [ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 13019648 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 4.85 [00:42]
mircea_popescu check that out, ThickAsThieves finally figured how to run a client for atc :D [00:42]
ThickAsThieves not me [00:42]
mircea_popescu a ok [00:42]
ThickAsThieves in #altcoin [00:42]
ThickAsThieves they ar emaking atc bot stuffs [00:42]
mircea_popescu cool! [00:43]
mircea_popescu i'm kinda curious what happens should cads coldcall some random doods and then proceed to "get someone medium level on the phone and then explain something like" [00:43]
ThickAsThieves hehe [00:43]
mircea_popescu should be a webcast. i'm sorry i said anytihing even. [00:43]
ThickAsThieves referrals are best [00:44]
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ThickAsThieves if you wanna reach out, find the most appropriate venues [00:44]
ThickAsThieves (not the phone) [00:44]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 what decent size budget when his entire line is like 20k a year ? [00:44]
mircea_popescu that's basically...steaks. [00:44]
punkman cads, you get my pm? [00:45]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves incidentally, best fun i ever had in boston was the day i decided ima coldcall small publishers for my book. [00:45]
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mircea_popescu turns out buncha eager shaved beavers work for low end publishing houses in 2000s boston. i ended up with many new friends. [00:45]
cads mircea_popescu: I'm thinking it'll be fun [00:45]
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cads oh hey, yeah [00:46]
ThickAsThieves finding a book publisher isnt easy, so i can see phone calling being a method of you dont have connections [00:46]
cads I could always seduce the secretaries as I went along [00:46]
mircea_popescu cads only if you're the sort of type that enjoys failing in a humiliating manner [00:46]
mircea_popescu which you only actually comprehend months after the event. [00:46]
ThickAsThieves finding a book PRINTER aint much easier [00:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i didn't phonecall. i inperson called. [00:46]
cads mircea_popescu: welcome to my life! [00:46]
ThickAsThieves ah [00:46]
ThickAsThieves Google Apps is trying so hard to purge their grandfathered free users [00:47]
mircea_popescu and secretaries you don't seduce. they're always busy at work. [00:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06539228 = 0.9155 BTC [-] {3} [00:48]
ThickAsThieves in a couple weeks i'll surely have former clients calling me [00:48]
mircea_popescu 5th wheel intern-ish girlies without clear responsibilities, which'd be the ones answering to a call like that, those you can seduce. [00:48]
cads really I know if we just go to a trade show and knock some people unconscious with our sturdy ass prototypes, we'll come away with at least people we can talk to without 99.999% failure [00:48]
mircea_popescu the rough equivalent being the it corp dudes that go to check out the babes at it conferences. [00:48]
mircea_popescu [00:48]
ozbot Booth Babes Don’t Work | TechCrunch [00:48]
mircea_popescu that guy rants about them. [00:48]
mircea_popescu course in typical nerd fashion he misrepresents what happened, but hey. [00:49]
ThickAsThieves they should try booth whores [00:49]
ThickAsThieves might work better [00:49]
cads blah I'm going to read that article by extrapolating it from its title [00:49]
cads nice article, doesn't surprise me [00:49]
mircea_popescu that's because you equally don't have a clue :) [00:50]
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cads yeah my conference experience is limited to math conferences [00:50]
ThickAsThieves most conferences are scams [00:51]
cads where 90% of the crowd would probably kill to have booth babes [00:51]
mircea_popescu lmao [00:51]
mircea_popescu so why not get some booth babes ? [00:51]
ThickAsThieves who will talk to them to hire them? [00:51]
mircea_popescu how hard can it fucking be, freakin campuses. [00:51]
mircea_popescu o that. myeah. [00:51]
mircea_popescu "you" can have a girl hang around the whole day for the cost of two beers, except not YOU. [00:52]
cads lol, maybe a student organized math conference with cute undegrad booth babes is in order [00:52]
mircea_popescu cads do this as a power play. it's what i'd do if i were somehow inexplicably interested in math academia. [00:53]
cads the AMA and university bodies and others that organize math conferences tend to be way to conservative to take that as anything other than a joke [00:53]
mircea_popescu get the hottest 12 chicks to boothbabe topless, only invite to present those professors who you owe favours to. [00:53]
mircea_popescu kick out the dinosaurs, humiliatingly so. [00:53]
mircea_popescu before you know it, you now control peer review in your field. [00:53]
mircea_popescu basically, always and everywhere take THEM as the joke, see how long they last. [00:54]
mircea_popescu not that hard rly. [00:54]
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cads I'd be known as that mathematician that hasn't done any actual math, but has a harem of booth babes and has pushed forward the field into the next millenium. [00:55]
mircea_popescu sound familiar ? :D [00:55]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: yea how would one use airgapping in production? [00:55]
thestringpuller would be a neat guide since I have yet to find a way to do it practically for something in production [00:56]
cads Other mathematicians that would publish with me would eventually measure themselves according to their Cads number. [00:56]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller well that general question has been answered in the general as best it could on the post man. [00:56]
mike_c how can i airgap my web server? [00:56]
mircea_popescu to actually implement it you hire someone to do it you know ? [00:56]
mircea_popescu you're asking "so how do i build my house". well... hire an architect ? [00:56]
cads the cads number - the number of times you've come up with a math breakthrough while recieving fellatio from one of my booth babes [00:56]
mircea_popescu cads to quote diogenes, if only it were that easy. [00:57]
thestringpuller I'm more asking "how do I learn to build a house" don't say "stay in schoo" [00:57]
mircea_popescu well what would i say ;/ [00:57]
thestringpuller :D [00:57]
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cads airgapping bothers me, but the way I'd use it is as a fully offline reference system [00:58]
mircea_popescu but the man doth have a point. i find it shocking that us pretend-academia will offer "women's studies" shit about that twerking girl, but there's no actual airgapping programme anywhere. [00:59]
cads systems goes online once in its life to acquire the required reference materials, and then gets all its wireless adaptors removed [00:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0444 = 0.222 BTC [+] [00:59]
mircea_popescu cads that's airbandaided. [00:59]
thestringpuller how else would the college derp get laid without a women studies class? [00:59]
bounce "arrange things such that sensitive stuff is offline as much as possible" [01:00]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves:hourly from the get-go just doesnt work << it does work in some fields. lawyers are the typical usecase, but also many high-demand few specialist engineering fields. you pay the hourly rate to qualify yourself as an actual customer [01:00]
mircea_popescu rather than random schmoe bored online. [01:00]
bounce some jugging around with public key crypto goes a ways there [01:00]
cads mircea_popescu: I know there's a military handbook that describes design of airgapped systems (the red/black system design philosophy) [01:00]
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mircea_popescu cads sure. [01:00]
cads such a traditional system might still use punch cards to transfer data from the black to the red system [01:01]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves:trying to "play" it to what you think the client will accept << what the fuck self-sabotaging second guessing bullshit is this, seriously! bejaysus. [01:02]
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mircea_popescu [01:02]
mircea_popescu this should be translated to english [01:02]
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bounce depends. if you do an automated transcription of ethernet frames to punch tape and back again, you don't really have an air gap. just like putting a wireless hop in the network to have an "air gap" doesn't really work. [01:03]
mircea_popescu ^ [01:03]
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bounce ISTR the cacert people had a description up of how they did it: serial cable to the box with the signing key and a custom protocol that only understood signing requests and returned signed certificates, no other connection to anything whatsoever. [01:04]
mircea_popescu [01:04]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June [01:05]
mircea_popescu there's no way this is right [01:05]
bounce that still depends on the front making intelligent decisions as to what to sign, but, you know... [01:05]
ThickAsThieves the self-sabotaging of that nature probly is an american cultural thingy [01:05]
ThickAsThieves customer always right, every service person is your bitch [01:05]
ThickAsThieves stuff like that [01:05]
ThickAsThieves yes hourly does indeed work out fine in higher-paying fields [01:05]
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ThickAsThieves but i do question why it is more accepted, other than people are more loose with their money [01:06]
ThickAsThieves even lawyers want a retainer anyway [01:06]
ThickAsThieves not THAT different [01:06]
mircea_popescu because you have to establish yourself to the provider, not the other way around. [01:06]
cads bounce: hum, I'd like to read that document [01:06]
bounce been years since I'd seen it. probably somewhere up at [01:06]
mircea_popescu fast food chains compete for customers. rich people compete for seats at the hot club. [01:07]
ThickAsThieves yes but ive never felt more cheesed for my hourly payout than with a lawyer [01:07]
mircea_popescu ever saw those queues in front of major clubs ? [01:07]
cads what I recall was that these punched cards were transfered over by humans, but I remember nothing of how they'd use that to prevent arbitrary content from entering the red system [01:07]
ThickAsThieves my last one still hasnt sent an invoice of any kind, after many requests [01:07]
ThickAsThieves but was quick to tell me the retainer was up [01:07]
ThickAsThieves and that i owed [01:07]
cads my source material is probably the wikipedia article on the military design document I mentioned earlier, instead of the actual document [01:08]
ThickAsThieves nigga wont show me [01:08]
ThickAsThieves cuz i know he's making it up [01:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0646 = 0.1292 BTC [-] [01:08]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if he's reading this [01:08]
ThickAsThieves hehe [01:08]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06388734 = 1.5972 BTC [-] {9} [01:09]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves sue him. [01:09]
benkay make him present his derriere before your new lawyer [01:09]
ThickAsThieves i just might, would be nice to get the damn bill first... [01:09]
mike_c << i agree, but a lot of volatility right now. it could bounce below. [01:09]
ThickAsThieves google apps is fucking with me for real now [01:10]
mircea_popescu cads diametric you two should joint or several work out something i can ipo. [01:10]
ThickAsThieves i already followed their instructions to activate the accounts the wanna shut down [01:10]
mircea_popescu mike_c considering how it bounced right off 500... [01:10]
ThickAsThieves and now they say i havent done it yet [01:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00094654 = 15.9965 BTC [+] {2} [01:10]
mircea_popescu another 25% seems quite outlandish in my head. [01:10]
mike_c yeah, i hope you are right (i am in on that bet). [01:10]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves prolly have to move it on punched paper acroiss airgap [01:10]
ThickAsThieves meh, for tomorrow, for now, off to the rap show! [01:11]
cads bruce schneir described the airgapping "effort" he was using to research the NSA papers and write the articles reviewing them. [01:12]
mircea_popescu cads you mean bnc connector ? or is there some diff ? [01:12]
cads which consisted of a brand new laptop that had never been connected to the internet, and a thumbdrive [01:12]
cads and... I'm hoping he really did something better than i'm thinking [01:12]
bounce that means something like linux or a *BSD is Right Out because... those come FROM the internet!!1! [01:13]
moiety 22:47 and secretaries you don't seduce. they're always busy at work. << a good secretary can't be seduced. this is true. however, also means loyalty. [01:14]
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cads actually [01:14]
cads [01:14]
ozbot Schneier on Security: Air Gaps [01:14]
cads I'm being more pessimistic than necessary - his advice is actually about as decent as you can get [01:14]
cads for example use read only cdrs to dump data into the machine [01:15]
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cads I don't like that he suggests a usb key, because usb keys have been penetrated before [01:15]
bounce wipe it and format it on a linux machine [01:16]
bounce (or anything but a windows machine, really) [01:16]
mircea_popescu cads mdear. [01:16]
ozbot Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [01:16]
cads "Malware can silently write data to a USB stick, but it can't spin the CD-R up to 1000 rpm without your noticing. " [01:16]
mircea_popescu that thing is beyond ludicrous. [01:16]
cads haha, I suspect that too [01:17]
bounce well, the sentiment is sensible enough: minimise infection vectors, build in barriers and things that might tip you off [01:18]
mircea_popescu jurov "In this paper we will describe some of the shortcomings and suggest solution" [01:18]
mircea_popescu needs proofread. [01:18]
bounce the execution in the context of stupidly complex machinery a bit less so [01:18]
jurov mircea_popescu: ? [01:18]
mircea_popescu earlier link ou dropped from your hackathon thing ? [01:18]
cads mircea_popescu: but what prominent security expert is _not_ under reasonable suspicion of being a government agent? [01:19]
mircea_popescu plenty. [01:19]
jurov ah that [01:19]
jurov my take on his other advice [01:19]
ozbot Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions [01:19]
cads yeah, I suddenly want to read some more criticisms [01:20]
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cads the suggestions he gives for airgaps would not protect against the kind of measures the NSA is claimed to be able to take [01:21]
mircea_popescu which is precisely why he makes the sort of cargo cult suggestions he does make. [01:21]
cads mircea_popescu: what are the odds you put on Snowden himself being a US agent? [01:22]
bounce wonder how hard it is to TEMPEST-proof a laptop. if a can of metallic paint to the inside of the shell is enough that should be a nice enough niche earner [01:22]
mircea_popescu nil. [01:22]
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mircea_popescu bounce or make a nice al case :p [01:23]
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cads I think that the capabilities being divulged are too over the top and being divulged in a way engineered to make the vast majority of people accept them. [01:23]
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mircea_popescu there's a difference between snowden and "what the guardian represents". [01:24]
mircea_popescu were you asking about the latter ? [01:24]
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cads snowden's revalations have continued to detail a number of really extensive cyber capabilities that the NSA has [01:25]
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cads including stuff that the media has spun as "the ability to store all the transfers on the internet for a whole 4 day review period" [01:26]
mircea_popescu did you read the actual leaks [01:26]
cads no [01:26]
mircea_popescu or 2nd and 3rd hand commentary by us propaganda sources? [01:26]
mircea_popescu then what are you talking about. [01:26]
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cads I mean, you're familiar that QUANTUM is allegedly a massive attack and risk mitigation suite with a huge encyclopedia of attacks and expert systems for deploying them. And that other aspects of the tailored access unit have allegedly done such things as pushing backdoors into cryptoprotocols. [01:30]
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mircea_popescu the latter claim is uncontroversial. [01:32]
mircea_popescu kinda the reason why the rsa corp is going the way of cisco. [01:32]
cads the way it's being covered just seems suspicios - the technologies are made to sound super duper scary, almost unimaginable, and nobody I've read is writing any serious counterplans [01:33]
cads and now, even with the revelations, normal people are even _less_ likely to want to imagine their capabilities and how to fight them [01:33]
mircea_popescu the counterplan is quite obvious : [01:34]
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turbo_ac100 ;;gpg eregister turbo_ac100 32CCD4DEC831411C [01:35]
gribble Request successful for user turbo_ac100, hostmask turbo_ac100! Get your encrypted OTP from [01:35]
BingoBoingo I wonder if reutereEmily is going to cover the NeoBee fiasco [01:36]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo she kinda did just disappear huh [01:36]
mircea_popescu i guess fell down the reading rabbit hole [01:36]
cads so one hypothesis is that there's a body of people that had this information made up to some extent, at the very least glorifying the capabilities and making them seem starkly unopposeable. [01:36]
cads Nowhere do we see documents on what the NSA percieved to be a serious threat! [01:37]
cads what scares the NSA? [01:37]
cads or the people behind it? [01:37]
cads it's not in the documents [01:37]
bounce that with tweets maxing at 160 chars and irc messages at a little more, wouldn't it make sense for ozbot to special-case and include the actual tweet? [01:37]
BingoBoingo Possibly. She has yet to tweet this month, and seemed rather interested in the topic. This reading thing is a hell of a drug [01:37]
cads maybe the agency doesn't know itself well enough to imagine it has _any_ fears [01:37]
cads but more likely those documents simply didn't make it into the package snowden has revealed [01:38]
Duffer1 cads what scares the NSA? >> any entity that could threaten its funding [01:38]
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cads I think it's reasonable that they would have made study of factors that could legitimately destabilize them, and come up with ways to counter. [01:38]
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cads and where are those studies? [01:38]
cads I would imagine those would be the first to be released if snowden had them, and was hardcore [01:39]
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cads after building the case that they're fucking everyone, he would have been like "but this. This is what they really don't want you to see" [01:39]
Duffer1 strategies to counter congress likely weren't as available as the rest of snowden's material [01:39]
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cads that's highly likely, and it would be nice if someone acknowledged the documents snowden didn't manage to get [01:40]
mike_c countering congress is easy. ask j edgar [01:40]
Duffer1 though given clappers' behavior it's not like we even need snowden to know such material exists [01:41]
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moiety BingoBoingo: can we play chess tomorrow or soon? preferrably after you have had a ton of vodka [01:41]
mircea_popescu bounce this is a good point actually. [01:41]
mircea_popescu cads snowden was a contractor. he didn't have access to the strategic bundle. [01:42]
BingoBoingo moiety: Possibly [01:42]
moiety can anyone explain to me how a self-confessed "indoor cat" like snowden ended up with a model gf? im suspicious of this [01:43]
moiety possibly is good enough for me :D [01:43]
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turbo_ac100 I have a different user ID on the keyserver and eregistered here. Matters? [01:45]
cads mircea_popescu: also I know you don't like schneier, but for a while he had his "NSA Exploit of the day" that was a near daily analysis of a new exploit from his researches of the leaked documents - here he apparently concludes that with basically saying, I've shown you all these exploits. Now we need to come up with ways to defend against them because not only the NSA will use them, but also criminals and other countries [01:47]
asciilifeform cads: are you familiar with the 'two NSAs' hypothesis? [01:48]
bounce "criminals and other countries" [01:48]
cads more recently he covered something called MYSTIC, which is a system that can "record 100% of a nation's phone calls" [01:49]
asciilifeform phone should be regarded as something like plaintext email. [01:50]
cads it's kinda like he's playing some kind of theatre, dazzling and shocking us with these capabilities, then here and there dropping a paragraph about how we should do something against them [01:50]
mircea_popescu moiety i never saw his gf. pix ? [01:50]
cads never suggesting anything against it [01:50]
mircea_popescu turbo_ac100 not particularly. [01:50]
mircea_popescu cads wait, you doubting 100% of all plaintext phonecalls are being recorded ? [01:51]
cads no, not at all [01:51]
mircea_popescu i dun follow your argument then [01:51]
bounce too bad cryptophones et al are still too spendy [01:52]
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moiety mircea_popescu: [01:52]
turbo_ac100 kakobrekla: make my day :)! [01:52]
cads mircea_popescu: if he's an agent why talk about these capabilities? To brag. And more importantly to mislead and misinform. [01:53]
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moiety [01:53]
moiety now explain how he met her?! [01:53]
moiety [01:54]
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cads when he covers a larger new outlet's story on the revelation of a new capability, he's always pointing out the technical ways in which the capabilities go further than the article explains [01:54]
bounce journos are not great at this tech thing [01:55]
cads so possibly he's doing us a favor by explaining the capabilities in more complete way [01:56]
cads even if he was an agent he could be reporting faithfully [01:56]
cads especially if someone else knows it's cooked up documents anyways [01:56]
mircea_popescu moiety she's not THAT hot is she ? [01:57]
mircea_popescu bounce maybe with s.nsa... [01:57]
cads everyone knows they're recording the phone calls, now everyone believes that they can only keep the phone calls for a month, that the program to do it is called MYSTIC, and that it hasn't been used against the US [01:57]
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cads two of those three are probably false :D [01:58]
mircea_popescu moiety anyway, smart chicks dig famous underdogs. [01:58]
mircea_popescu cads he's just a random has-been talking about the topic of the moment, imo. [01:58]
moiety mircea_popescu: no but still, how did they meet? and she did know about what e was going to do, they left their home in may. [01:58]
mircea_popescu not much more not much less. [01:58]
bounce one of the reasons I bought a nokia e52 was because there was cryptophone source available that was supposed to work on that thing [01:58]
bounce then reality hit. [01:58]
* moiety has looked into es a lot [01:59]
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mircea_popescu es ? [01:59]
skinnkavaj [01:59]
ozbot Why got destroyed [01:59]
moiety edward snowden [01:59]
wutwhutwut [01:59]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June [01:59]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj more like "because they fucked up a bitbet." [01:59]
mircea_popescu "then got banned by bitbet, then curtains." [01:59]
mircea_popescu moiety i imagine cupcake mantits met snowden the same way you met BingoBoingo [02:00]
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skinnkavaj Stop trolling [02:00]
mircea_popescu not to imply anything about either your bra filling abilities or his bar hopping skills. [02:00]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj i'm not trolling yo. [02:00]
moiety i dont even know how i ended up on that site. but im glad i met BingoBoingo [02:00]
cads anyways mircea_popescu I'm glad my argument for heavily doctored NSA papers is not strong. I saw similar arguments claiming the pentagon papers were exactly what the higher ups wanted released, nothing more, nothing less, and those arguments seem cranky [02:01]
mircea_popescu first line of damage control. [02:02]
mircea_popescu not so far off from claiming neobee floundered because mpex. [02:03]
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bounce it's a valid concern, though. spy shops must be masters of misinformation. [02:04]
cads "obviously the corporate leaks were not done by the CEO" "But he's gotten great publicity!" "he's going to spend his life in jail" "yeah but he'll be a mover/shaker in the real world via his letters" "he hanged himself last night" "yeah but this was all of his plan so that now he can laugh at us and manipulate the stock market from Hell" [02:05]
mircea_popescu nsa is not a spy shop tho. [02:05]
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mircea_popescu the us made the mistaken strategic decision to move from humint to sigint at the end of the cold war. [02:05]
bounce at the same time I find it hard to see what this leak could possibly achieve being misinformation. what would they steer us away from and how massive would that have to be? [02:05]
mircea_popescu the us humint was never any good, even at the height of the cold war they were more of a laughingstoc operationally, [02:06]
mircea_popescu rthe only difference betweenthem and the french being that the french had no money, either. [02:06]
bounce they're not a human spy shop, no. they do deal in information and so also in misinformation. [02:06]
mircea_popescu so basically think fat kid that's allowed in the sikrit fraternity because he lets everyone borrow the stuff his rich parents buy him [02:06]
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mircea_popescu anyway : meanwhile things have deteriorated, and the us "spyshop" doesn't even count. it's in there in the 3rld world, between congo and indonesia or something [02:07]
bounce that more or less defines the us int'l relations, spyish or otherwise [02:07]
mircea_popescu i guess. [02:07]
mircea_popescu generally diplomacy by and large goes the way of spyshop-y. [02:07]
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cads is it really hard to believe that they'd reveal some version of their capabilities knowing that fear and uncertainty would actually legitimize those practices? [02:09]
bounce I forget whose documentary it was where some cia operative went "well we just have to step into all these messes you lot (==all the world) keep on being in" -- meaning it seriously and conveniently turning a blind eye to the glaring fact it's the us, more specifically the cia, that's been busy causing the messes in the first place [02:09]
mircea_popescu cads this sort of thinking is fed by watching movies and faping on reddit. [02:09]
mircea_popescu on the actual ground, the us has serious problems hiring people who don't spend most of their time wondering if "deep down" theyt're really women or not. [02:10]
mircea_popescu shit bullet as asciilifeform;d say. [02:10]
cads mircea_popescu: touche [02:10]
mircea_popescu also, sargent is not allowed to beat recruits [02:11]
mircea_popescu i have no idea how you imagine someone with the capability of running an actual spyshop could be lured to work for the us [02:11]
mircea_popescu when there's so many so very much better offers o nthe table. [02:11]
bounce the us fan club named nato and the inner "five eyes" circle keeps on fapping on all that wonderful computer-y stuff nsa and gchq must shirley have [02:11]
mircea_popescu you know, brain surgeon ain't likely to work for the cockroach infested hospital. because he prefers working with people he respects, [02:12]
mircea_popescu and who respect themselves enough not to live in the cockroach trap. [02:12]
moiety lol shit bullet is a new one on me [02:12]
bounce so who's got good or at least respectable humint going on these days? [02:13]
mircea_popescu china russia israel korea brazil more or less in order [02:14]
bounce not a european country among them. huh. [02:16]
mike_c um, which korea? [02:16]
mircea_popescu bounce watch the influence spheres move as a result. [02:16]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu MisterE_ mixdio_ [02:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c the 2nd best one :p [02:16]
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cads south? [02:16]
cazalla north korea is best korea [02:16]
cads their emperor is a God! [02:16]
mike_c north korea isn't good at anything except extorting money from the us. [02:17]
bounce not sure if it's a cause or an effect, but the shifting is happening, yes [02:17]
mircea_popescu and inventing hairdos [02:17]
cads and their economy is so productive. [02:17]
mike_c and applying makeup to their soldiers [02:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c you seen that pic ? [02:17]
bounce didn't they run their own usd presses? [02:17]
mike_c yeah :) [02:17]
cads lol [02:18]
mircea_popescu epic fucking shit. [02:18]
ozbot Hair, the musical pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:18]
mike_c their faces would glow in the dark [02:18]
asciilifeform the interesting thing is that nsa-as-we-know-it, but with a pill against modern crypto hidden in an 'indiana jones'-style vault, would scarcely be distinguishable from what we can now see [02:20]
asciilifeform see winston churchill and the demolition of coventry. [02:20]
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asciilifeform it's a pill that would be kept in reserve for some unspecified 'dire times' that never come - as nukes are [02:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and the average cunt with a hidden angler fish right under the flesh would be also indistinguishable from the average cunt. [02:21]
asciilifeform because you can only really use it once. [02:21]
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mircea_popescu there's a romaina guy that did extensive "research" on this topic, his name was lucian blaga [02:22]
mircea_popescu one of his lines is meanwhile common cultural cliche in romanian, "sa nu strivim corola the minuni a lumii" [02:22]
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mircea_popescu something like "let us not dispell the world's corolla of wonder" [02:22]
asciilifeform lol [02:23]
asciilifeform which topic? cunt cum angler-fish? [02:23]
mircea_popescu it's mostly used derrisively to bother anticultural and antiintellectual lines [02:23]
mircea_popescu (who aren't likely to get the reference or have read the guy's work) [02:23]
mircea_popescu no, he was a philosopher, theory of knowledge. [02:23]
cads asciilifeform: is that the "two NSAs hypothesis"? [02:24]
mircea_popescu 1956 nobel prize nominee etc [02:24]
mircea_popescu (communists protested the nomination) [02:24]
asciilifeform cads: the two-nsa hypothesis is that the americans have a stable of folks with brains squirreled away somewhere [02:24]
asciilifeform it's mostly a product of my diseased imagination, but has some grounding in soviet history [02:24]
cads ... err, "squirreled away"? [02:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform actually, is there anything in russian by the guy ? [02:25]
asciilifeform nsa writes crapware for winblows, 'meta-nsa' then would do something interesting. [02:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: rezun (pseudonym suvorov) and his histories of gru, which he ran away from [02:25]
cads this would be the "strategic level" that mircea_popescu alluded to [02:25]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i mean by lucian blaga [02:26]
asciilifeform not that i know of [02:26]
mircea_popescu i can't conveniently search for the shit, no good kbd [02:26]
cads ie, we just saw leaks from the software development department [02:26]
cads we didn't see leaks from the operations and strategy department [02:26]
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asciilifeform cads: likewise no leaks from the math farms. [02:27]
cads right! [02:27]
mircea_popescu there's a german Peter Sragher version which is pretty decent. but otherwise the guy seems an incredibly well kept secret. funny how that works. [02:27]
asciilifeform these people claim (not entirely implausible) to be the largest employer of math phd types in the usa [02:27]
asciilifeform what, if anything, they have to show for it, is another matter [02:27]
mircea_popescu well, academia is hte largest, but ohter than that as a single entity, i believe it. [02:27]
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cads all those mathematicians and they're still a laughingstock to mircea_popescu [02:28]
mircea_popescu [02:28]
asciilifeform personally i've no evidence in favour or against the 'they've got the pill and are sitting on it' hypothesis [02:29]
cads I seriously doubt either of the koreas have higher technical capalities [02:29]
ozbot Die luziferische Erkenntnis: Lucian Blaga, Rainer Schubert: Books [02:29]
mircea_popescu cads understand that a spyshop is not math kids. [02:29]
mircea_popescu if you were a party organiser and all you had to show me were math wallflowers i'd equally point and laugh at you. [02:29]
turbo_ac100 ;;later tell kakobrekla im turbo_ac100 on otc now. [02:29]
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mircea_popescu technical capabilities are not the question. [02:29]
cads free as the north one is to grant the humint operators the latitude needed to implement every single tactic from their wet dreams [02:29]
mircea_popescu zee germanz had much better "technical capabilities" than their intellectual, strategic and ultimately human capabilities. [02:30]
mircea_popescu what do you think sunk hitler, technological inferiority ? puhleaze. [02:30]
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mircea_popescu cads that's nonsense, the north korea is much less free than the average. in fact, about as unfree as the us. [02:30]
mircea_popescu if you actually bother looking at the facts, the two regimes are scarcely different. [02:30]
cads haha, all I know about what sunk the germans I learned from a fictional account of breaking the Enigma machine [02:31]
cads ie, fiction - apparently we were dycyphering everything [02:31]
cads but using it in a way such that they could not deduce that we were decyphering everything [02:31]
bounce the germans had some good cryptologists too. funny how you never hear about them. [02:31]
cads maybe that happened during part of it [02:31]
cads yeah [02:31]
cads I can't imagine we didn't enjoy the exact same treatment [02:32]
mircea_popescu bounce you know how wikipedia-history based on press-narratives works. [02:32]
cads haha, the book I refer to was neal stephenson's cryptonomicon [02:32]
cads soooo [02:32]
cads I'm not even /claiming/ any kind of historical knowledge :) [02:32]
asciilifeform anyone who had the misfortune of attending u.s. schools is in for a little mindfuck - the evidence that sk (at the behest of its puppeteer across the ocean) started the korean war is, imho, convincing. [02:32]
mircea_popescu well i wasn't talking of you strictly :[ [02:32]
mircea_popescu :p* [02:32]
cads usually I'm less clueless than that but I'll at least not argue based on it :) [02:33]
bounce esp. going on the end they also put a lot of faith in "wonder weapons", "victory weapons", and such. bit of a parallel with the US, that [02:33]
mircea_popescu bounce dreaming is the last refuge of the defeated. you know who else did it ? [02:33]
mircea_popescu the paleologoi. christ himself, you see, was going to come lift the siege. [02:33]
asciilifeform i'll take the liberty of translating the russian expression for these - 'wonderwaffles' [02:33]
asciilifeform ('wunderwaffe' original) [02:33]
mircea_popescu waffe doesn't mean waffle lmao [02:34]
asciilifeform naturally. [02:34]
mircea_popescu Der Wafflen SS! [02:34]
asciilifeform it's a derisive poke [02:34]
mircea_popescu god help you if you bring any outside syrups [02:34]
bounce you know, it's not even so much wikipedia as some good old fashioned propaganda that put bletchley park on such a socket [02:34]
asciilifeform 'вундервафля' [02:35]
bounce could be something to do with the shameful treatment of turing, too, though. (including the recent "rehabilitation" thing) [02:35]
mircea_popescu bounce i'd say it's uncontroversial that they did a lot of very good work. the problem with the propapress -> wikipedia -> reddit machine oif nonthink is that it flattens alternatives [02:35]
cads bounce: yeah, now I wonder about the enemy's opposing cryptoparks [02:35]
mircea_popescu very totalitarian system. soon enouhg ALL THERE IS is X topic. [02:35]
bounce they did do a lot of good work, but they certainly weren't the only ones [02:36]
cads bounce: and whether they had attacks against our techs [02:36]
mircea_popescu exactly. [02:36]
asciilifeformвундервафля&source=lnms&tbm=isch [02:36]
cads I'm sure they did but I've heard nary a one [02:36]
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bounce paleologoi doesn't light a bulb nor produces comprehensible search results. colour me uninformed. [02:37]
cads dat moment when you realize you suddenly need to know a lot more about what was going in and around some historical event. [02:38]
cads bounce: I think that was his point [02:38]
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asciilifeform handbook that describes design of airgapped systems (the red/black system design philosophy) << read the crap. red/black has nothing to do with airgaps, for the most part. [02:49]
asciilifeform it is mainly about separating wiring for 'red' (plaintext that must not leave) and 'black' ciphertext that can go outside the walls [02:49]
asciilifeform incl. power supplies [02:49]
asciilifeform everyone's seen the photos of the general sitting next to two keyboards, two monitors, etc. [02:50]
asciilifeform but this is not mandatory - there are plenty of gadgets with 'red' and 'black' connectors on one panel [02:50]
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asciilifeform (trivial example: anything that enciphers/deciphers) [02:50]
asciilifeform now, these gadgets are blessed by a priest, sprinkled with holy water before deployment, etc. [02:52]
asciilifeform whether this has anything to do with practical security is a puzzle for students of u.s. bureaucracy. [02:52]
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asciilifeform usb keys have been penetrated before << this refers to various experiments where you re-flash the microcontroller inside a usb drive, to do various useful things. [02:53]
asciilifeform i've tried this personally - it works. (you need a drive for which either docs or some reverse-engineerable flash diddler from the factory are available.) [02:54]
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bounce not just that. there's been cases where the gold key image had some virus or other, causing $largenum of usb keys to ship that way from factory [02:54]
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mike_c no reason cardano wouldn't be susceptible to that is there? [02:54]
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asciilifeform and then there's the winblows-specific crap, which i regard as uninteresting: [02:55]
asciilifeform [02:55]
ozbot Plug and Prey: Malicious USB Devices [02:55]
asciilifeform mike_c: cardano emulates a usb drive, when connected to pc. [02:55]
mircea_popescu it's not actually reflashable is it ? [02:55]
asciilifeform not from usb. [02:56]
asciilifeform but it is worth pointing out that many, if not most, usb gadgets - are. [02:56]
asciilifeform incidentally, this is one of the reasons it took me so long to find an appropriate micro for cardano [02:56]
bounce do cheap usb keys do any wear leveling, like ssds do? [02:57]
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asciilifeform most of the available ones are designed to be reflashed via usb [02:57]
mircea_popescu myeah [02:57]
asciilifeform bounce: they do. [02:57]
bounce the keys I have here are all well before the large leaps around the time of the barefoot controller. perhaps should replace a few. then again, I'd get inferior flash. [02:58]
asciilifeform generally, the newer the 'flash', the more threadbare the actual eeprom cells [02:59]
asciilifeform in the sense that a recent 'ssd' would barely last a few thousand write cycles without leveling. [02:59]
bounce right. so ideally would want a new controller with old chips [02:59]
asciilifeform this subject has been beaten to death in engineering literature [02:59]
bounce dunno. 40 nm slc or something. [03:00]
bounce (notice how the industry counts: single. multi. triple.) [03:00]
asciilifeform re: usb: it is important to remember that using winblows is a strictly voluntary surrender. [03:01]
bounce the volunteers tend to not see it that way [03:01]
asciilifeform anyone who does, and uses an external drive that faithfully stores bits (no micro diddling) is vulnerable to a world of fun [03:01]
asciilifeform e.g. icon parser overflows, etc. [03:01]
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asciilifeform cardano uses a micro-sd card for storage, and assumes that said card was built by the devil [03:02]
asciilifeform so the card only sees crypted blocks. [03:02]
asciilifeform and never a key [03:02]
asciilifeform (lives on its own bus, too. because basic literacy.) [03:03]
bounce huh, since today ze wifi developed a habit of cutting all live connections every hour or so. possibly the isp did an "upgrade", they pulled that before, with similar effects. oh the joys of CPEs, even brand name issue ("cisco" here) [03:04]
asciilifeform bounce: you're using a router supplied by other people ?! [03:04]
bounce I'm not (directly) paying for the connection either [03:05]
asciilifeform there are dumb isps where i live, that want you to use their router. most of them are easily dealt with (MAC spoof) [03:05]
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bounce were it up to me I'd separate out the docsis3 part into a standalone thingy and do the rest elsewhere. [03:06]
asciilifeform buy a generic docsis modem, reflash the addr, problem solved. [03:07]
bounce can't do that in this situation though. I suppose I could at least separate out ze wifi with an extra box. [03:08]
bounce the important stuff is all on wire that that doesn't seem to suffer [03:08]
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bounce lot of docsis2 kit floating around fer cheapers, docsis3 not so much [03:12]
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mike_c for you 3d printing nerds: [03:31]
mike_c [03:31]
ozbot Taste Testing 3D-Printed Food - YouTube [03:31]
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moiety i heard 3d printing [03:34]
mike_c 3d print your candy [03:35]
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moiety mike_c: thats epic, thanks for shairing... i would make a million of the rainbow cube thingys [03:38]
mike_c interlocking candy is pretty cool [03:38]
moiety only <$5k! [03:39]
moiety o.o [03:39]
moiety though, thats epic personalised presents for the rest of your days [03:40]
moiety i wonder if it could do interlocking tablet [03:41]
MisterE orning [03:45]
MisterE morning [03:45]
MisterE ;;ticker --market huobi [03:46]
gribble Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'bitmynt', 'btsp', 'btcavg', 'krk', 'btcde', 'btce', 'bfx'] or 'all' [03:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0449 = 0.1796 BTC [+] [03:46]
MisterE ;;ticker --market all [03:46]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 427.5, vol: 36070.62603398 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 419.159, vol: 32637.1552 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 426.41, vol: 29119.54721647 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 434.45, vol: 188.43956285 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 398.397078, vol: 9760.74860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 440.01, vol: 4.2822138 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 468.112001377, vol: 194.25015683 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) [03:46]
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moiety morning MisterE :) [03:51]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [03:55]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.41, Best ask: 429.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.91000, Last trade: 429.33, 24 hour volume: 36275.95162166, 24 hour low: 425.53, 24 hour high: 494.98, 24 hour vwap: 455.536355556 [03:55]
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mircea_popescu urgently need moar drama to prop up exchange rate [03:55]
mircea_popescu and lulz [03:55]
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MisterE lel [03:57]
BingoBoingo NeoBee branches full of AIDs needles? [03:57]
mircea_popescu moar like bitpay steps in to rescue coinbase which steps in to rescue kraken which steps in to rescue neobee which steps in to rescue i forget what [03:57]
cazalla imagine explaining this one when you're older [03:58]
mircea_popescu cazalla im not so sure there exist any tattoo on any twentysomething that could be explained by a 50 something [03:58]
cazalla neobeo stepped in to rescue weex remember [03:58]
mircea_popescu o right [04:01]
mircea_popescu because teh ceo had personal funds there. [04:01]
mircea_popescu very good way to run corps. [04:01]
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Duffer1 wait waaht [04:08]
Duffer1 first lawl tattoo [04:09]
Duffer1 second someone had money in weex? [04:09]
Duffer1 nm why am i surprised [04:09]
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moiety omg my eyes burn at thattattoo mircea_popescu [04:17]
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moiety ffs.. i had to look, and yes someone has done it. [04:22]
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moiety asciilifeform: i have a manul i cant read! its in russian i think [04:25]
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asciilifeform moiety: ? [04:42]
moiety asciilifeform: this one [04:42]
asciilifeform moiety: 'Pet the cat.' under: 'Pet the cat, bitch' [04:43]
dignork moiety, I had this as wallpaper on my desktop pc :) [04:43]
moiety lolol thank you very much asciilifeform! [04:43]
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moiety dignork: heres mine :D [04:44]
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dignork moiety, neat, but no text. p.s. windows? [04:45]
moiety dignork: i rotate my manuls, some are unlabelled. and i would prefer a non-microshaft machine, but priorities just now [04:46]
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asciilifeform moiety: [04:47]
moiety asciilifeform: thats incredible. its really interesting how they are all a bit different. I'm espcieally surprised at the ocelot hybrid. (and the fact theres such a thing as a cryptozoologist) [04:51]
moiety "bobelots" lol [04:51]
dignork moiety, - "already petted" [04:53]
moiety lololol ^ [still embarrased i thought he was really that size D:] [04:54]
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BingoBoingo moiety: That one might be, "glandular disorder" [04:57]
moiety lolol BingoBoingo "he's just big boned!" [04:58]
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BingoBoingo The late colonel [04:59]
moiety asciilifeform: i didn't know they had a name for this either [Alien Big Cats] [05:00]
moiety BingoBoingo: is he just famous for looking grumpy too? [05:01]
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BingoBoingo moiety: That's a different one [05:01]
moiety i know grumpy cat but this one looks rather sour too... what did he do? [05:01]
moiety ah.. "proud, plotting and evil, as though he might actually murder a small human just for sport." [05:02]
moiety I didn't know you had a cat BingoBoingo! :P [05:02]
BingoBoingo moiety: I don't [05:02]
moiety just kidding, you need to get a corgi [05:03]
BingoBoingo Eh [05:03]
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cazalla moiety: i know about one of those phantom cats (blue mountains panther), we were always told it broke free when a cage overturned from a circus travelling up the mountain [05:13]
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moiety cazalla: ever seen it? i wonder how many of these phantom cats were secret exotic pets that got loose [05:15]
cazalla moiety: nope and i don't know anyone that does, the story changes over time though - where the circus caravan overturned etc [05:16]
moiety cazalla: that's one thing that can be said for our nessie, she doesn't ever move lol [05:18]
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jayk oh me oh my [05:21]
jayk love that country pie [05:21]
jayk !dirtypic [05:21]
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BingoBoingo .bait [05:27]
ozbot [05:27]
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KRS-One no moar bait =( [05:32]
BingoBoingo KRS-One: But bait is your favorite [05:35]
KRS-One yeah..must fix ozbot..i knew something was going wrong toward the end. He was spitting out links to 70's and black and white porn. [05:37]
KRS-One They didn't shave in the 70's..our poor parents had sub par pron indeed. We have it so much better these days. [05:37]
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moiety whenever i write anything, i just sound sarcastic as fuck D: [05:57]
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bounce [14:34]
ozbot Bitcoin And Cryptocurrency Exchange Platform Solution For Operators Launched by PFSOFT - Yahoo Finan [14:34]
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mircea_popescu they want money for it ? [14:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.000953 = 9.4824 BTC [-] [14:45]
bounce it doesn't say they're giving it away. looks like yahoo was a bit late in picking up this press release. [14:46]
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BingoBoingo This was a thoroughly underwhelming storm for these awfully inconsiderate sirens to roused me from bed so. [14:49]
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mircea_popescu lol you got weather sirens ? [15:03]
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VanCleef hey mp [15:06]
VanCleef any new companies being ipo'd on mpex this year? [15:06]
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mircea_popescu [15:09]
ozbot Obama-Clinton, or the end of the republic. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [15:09]
mircea_popescu VanCleef none so far. [15:09]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah, goes with the area's propensity for tornadoes [15:12]
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mircea_popescu oh that far up north ? didn't know. [15:19]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [15:20]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 436.18, Best ask: 437.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 437.0, 24 hour volume: 42403.99452722, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 490.56, 24 hour vwap: 444.403658178 [15:20]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, I'm much closer to st louis than chicago. Right about the same latitude as this airport [15:21]
BingoBoingo [15:22]
ozbot Storms prompt tornado warnings, cause damage in St. Louis area | [15:22]
BingoBoingo This morning's thing that couldn't quite keep it together long enough to make it here intact [15:23]
chetty [15:23]
ozbot In A NYT Op-Ed, Venezuela's Maduro Explains Why It's The Rich That Are Revolting | Zero Hedge [15:23]
BingoBoingo The rich, the air, who is revolting next today? [15:24]
VanCleef gay mafia? [15:24]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo oh i c [15:25]
mircea_popescu well it's zeroclue, so. [15:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.04391818 = 0.4831 BTC [-] {2} [15:26]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Eight years ago yesterday a classmate at the time got to see their roof flipped off of their apartment and discarded on the golf course. [15:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, nice bit, it signals the switch of the us from reagan-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world to obama-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world. [15:26]
mircea_popescu the difference between the two democracies aptly described by the differences between the two berlins, on either side of the wall. [15:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0584 = 0.292 BTC [+] [15:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo and didn't even have to buy the lsd... [15:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05889989 = 0.1767 BTC [+] [15:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0439 = 0.1317 BTC [-] [15:28]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah, springtime here and LSD would be too much. [15:29]
BingoBoingo Here's a particularly interesting storm from when I was in Carbondale for Grad school [15:29]
BingoBoingo "The city of Carbondale was nearly impassable because of fallen trees and debris, and 34 properties were deemed total losses. The campus of Southern Illinois University suffered extensive damage, with nearly 100 windows blown out of residence halls. An unofficial gust to 106 mph was recorded on the roof of the Carbondale airport." [15:30]
jadne rawr [15:32]
BingoBoingo The weather service report neglects to mention how many properties were total losses before the storm. [15:32]
mircea_popescu lmao [15:32]
mircea_popescu ajaja that venezuelan piece is quite the thing. [15:33]
mircea_popescu "we have the lowest inequality in the region [everyone is poor now]" [15:33]
mircea_popescu "Democracy (in the terminology and reality of socialists) seems to be the path of long lines of people waiting, clutching a government issued piece of paper, entitling them to a ration of food, water, health care, gasoline...and of course...toilet paper, not confiscated already for government officials delicate bottoms." [15:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00095298 = 14.1041 BTC [-] {2} [15:34]
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BingoBoingo Why forums can't work: "Since 1998, the movement founded by Hugo Chávez has won more than a dozen presidential, parliamentary and local elections through an electoral process that former American President Jimmy Carter has called “the best in the world.” Recently, the United Socialist Party received an overwhelming mandate in mayoral elections in December 2013, winning 255 out of 337 municipalities." [15:35]
BingoBoingo Plato was right! [15:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00095544 = 0.6688 BTC [+] [15:39]
BingoBoingo More BitcoinBourse: [15:41]
mircea_popescu so glbse group 3 is well represented ? [15:42]
BingoBoingo Well, CryptoStocks 2.0 [15:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.10144642 = 1.0145 BTC [-] [15:44]
BingoBoingo I dunno that they even seem to put in the effort in developing chumptronics to fall into the GLBSE/BTC-TC/Buttfunder camp [15:45]
mircea_popescu my own counting scheme is 1. glbse ; 2. btctc, bitfunder, havelock ; 3. bitcoinbourse etc [15:45]
BingoBoingo Ah [15:45]
mircea_popescu o right, cause the kumala thing existed all along huh ? [15:45]
mircea_popescu no, you have a point. [15:45]
ThickAsThieves mp down with the hags! my only real experience with hags is on nonprofit boards as clients [15:45]
ThickAsThieves such wretches [15:45]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves innit ? [15:45]
BingoBoingo Yeah, Cryptostocks is old, but I guess Crytostocks was the first 3rd gen chumpotron of this sort [15:46]
mircea_popescu i'm personally only quoting the italians, as all old women i know are actually pretty great [15:46]
ThickAsThieves well not all old women aare hags [15:46]
BingoBoingo The third gen advance is being so overtly scammy and obtuse to any outside diligence the things might continue indefinitely [15:46]
ThickAsThieves but many on nonprofit boards are, in my experience at least [15:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, medieval/renaissance italian literature hates the cateogry like no other. [15:46]
mircea_popescu by comparison, niggers were popular in the southern us pre and post civil war. [15:47]
ThickAsThieves i think an environment does temper a hag [15:47]
ThickAsThieves they are definitely bitter about something [15:47]
ThickAsThieves probly long forgotten [15:47]
BingoBoingo Well that popularity has largely been supplanted by tractors and pickup trucks [15:47]
mircea_popescu wait people now hate tractors ? [15:48]
ThickAsThieves maybe they are alpha males trapped in a woman's body [15:48]
ThickAsThieves and systemically dismantled over the years [15:48]
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mircea_popescu maybe that's the punishment for being an asshole. [15:48]
mircea_popescu you're reborn as a woman and get to live forever. [15:48]
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ThickAsThieves hehe [15:48]
ThickAsThieves life is heaven, life is hell [15:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well tractors are now popular in the way coloreds used to be popular. They are useful implements, but a pain to maintain. [15:49]
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mircea_popescu they were kinda my favourite toys as a little boy... [15:49]
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ThickAsThieves humoursly enough, my favorites were lambos [15:50]
ThickAsThieves yellow ones [15:50]
mircea_popescu ha! [15:50]
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mircea_popescu omfg i just had the evilest thought. suppose you have a bad dog like this one : [15:50]
BingoBoingo Maybe Goat's next lambo will be the original model [15:50]
mircea_popescu suppose you add large-ish suction cups as part of the bottoms of the casts [15:50]
mircea_popescu so he can now... climb walls [15:50]
ThickAsThieves get off the dope! [15:51]
BingoBoingo Where is moiety for this dog talk [15:51]
mircea_popescu dude it's good stuff. [15:51]
mircea_popescu dogbombardment [15:51]
BingoBoingo Might be a decent source of entropy [15:52]
mircea_popescu fill all the lights with bacon... [15:52]
moiety someone say dog? [15:53]
BingoBoingo Or cheese. Cheese makes dogs gassy for greater lulz [15:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.043675 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2} [15:53]
moiety mircea_popescu: how is that an evil thought??? spider-dog FTW! [15:53]
moiety imagine the sounds it would make tooo [15:54]
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moiety was goat's lambo actually real btw or a trollstory [15:54]
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mircea_popescu just like all the rest of goat's stuff. if you're the sort of person that believes things some guy claims, it was real. [15:55]
moiety didn't think so [15:55]
mircea_popescu if not, you can join the line. it started back in 2012, when he was going to prove he had a mining farm. [15:55]
mircea_popescu anyminute now. [15:55]
BingoBoingo His forum is... interesting [15:56]
* moiety rolls eyes [15:56]
moiety i thought .. hmm right then at the 21 y/o thai wife [15:56]
moiety ok so ... who has a dog we can attach suction cups to? [15:56]
moiety spider-cats? i have two [15:56]
mircea_popescu if anyone is old enough to remember the picostocks / 100blabla scam ? the one that briefly took on buzzdave after his basicminer scamstint, before the girl drove him out ? [15:57]
BingoBoingo I remember it a bit. [15:57]
mircea_popescu that one was pretty much the same thing, guy claiming he's rich and he has bought X miners, then that thing went scam [15:57]
mircea_popescu but the rich guy somehow hadn't lost anything, and immediately bought just as much of Y thing. [15:57]
mircea_popescu this is the typical way imagined fortunes work, and it belies their virtuality. the guy wasn't actually invested, but merely pretended to be invested. [15:58]
BingoBoingo Dave's still something [15:58]
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mircea_popescu the actuality of the failure of the purported investment does nothing to alleviate the causes of the pretense, and so the pretense is simply rehashed. [15:58]
mircea_popescu re-making the claim costs about as much as it cost originally. [15:58]
mircea_popescu same with goat. he was in here explaining how great future silver has, [15:59]
mircea_popescu then silver went to shit, but that's ok, cause he was really invested in... whatever went up. [15:59]
mircea_popescu retroactively. [15:59]
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BingoBoingo Who the fuck though wears a down jacket in a datacenter? [16:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo for completitude's sake, the blatant set really should be cryptostocks / picostocks / bitcoinbourse [16:01]
ThickAsThieves mp, do you think you'll ever invest in mining infrastructure? do you think governments will? what if china controls all our coinz? [16:01]
mircea_popescu and we have the equivalent "exchanges", icbit, bitfinex etc [16:01]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i said government had, a couple months after they had started, a few months ago. [16:01]
mircea_popescu i personally possibly not. it's just not one of my strenghts. [16:02]
mircea_popescu i don't own power plants either ;/ [16:02]
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ThickAsThieves which governments mine? [16:02]
BingoBoingo picostocks is prolly more a 2.5 gen chumpotron [16:02]
ThickAsThieves i feel like if the US is gonna tax it, they should support it [16:02]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they never were anything but blatant about it, weren't they ? [16:03]
chetty National Foundation for the bitcoin [16:03]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves that type of concern is vastly alleviated by the btc cap. we've already mined more than half the total. [16:03]
mircea_popescu nobody will control all the coins, too late for that. [16:03]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: They were blatant, but the weren't quite as refined in their Haxxed, coins are gone as Cryptostocks/Vircurex was where some separation was imagined [16:04]
mircea_popescu (this incidentally is one major point proponents of alternative coins don't realise. one of the most important permanence factors in a coin is just how well distributed the coinbase is. this is not something later coins will readilyt achieve, bitcoin achieved by accident [16:04]
ThickAsThieves i understand that much, but the mining ecosystem is its own thing [16:04]
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mircea_popescu or not really accident, more like the interplay of will and understanding, as limited by reality - i demonstrated this once in here using asciilifeform as my victim) [16:05]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves sure, but not nearly as threatening [16:05]
ThickAsThieves for example, it's not absurd to think has more than 51% right now [16:05]
mircea_popescu why ? [16:05]
ThickAsThieves and is hiding the "excess" [16:05]
mircea_popescu cex is a minor player. [16:05]
mircea_popescu you may not know this, but there's a major miner bezzle market going [16:05]
BingoBoingo It's also not absurd to imagine doesn't have any hardware [16:05]
ThickAsThieves sorry by cex i mean pool + the remainder [16:06]
mircea_popescu where people pay a slight premium to be allowed to pretend they mine by the actual miners. [16:06]
mircea_popescu this works to everyone's benefit : the actual miners get to conceal their mining, which they want to do [16:06]
ThickAsThieves i mean the remotely measurable stuff [16:06]
mircea_popescu the pretenders get to pretend like they matter, which ios really all they're interested in [16:06]
ThickAsThieves not reported bs [16:06]
mircea_popescu nothing is remotely measurable. [16:06]
mircea_popescu in mining. [16:06]
ThickAsThieves so the pool reports are a lie? [16:06]
mircea_popescu the connection between mining and identity is aribtrary. purely. [16:07]
mircea_popescu if i own 1petahash worth of mining gear, and we have a deal that you claim to own 1petahash worth of mining, we can work it so no third party can ever discover this. [16:07]
ThickAsThieves i agree [16:08]
ThickAsThieves but that goes to my point as much as yours [16:08]
mircea_popescu i want this, because a mine is a physical thing, it needs proxying. [16:08]
mircea_popescu you want this because you're a goat [16:08]
mircea_popescu best of all worlds. [16:08]
mircea_popescu no, it's more subtle than that ThickAsThieves [16:08]
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mircea_popescu remember how i told tg2 to stfu yest, because it's not HIS job to tell the exchanges how to exchange ? it's not. [16:08]
mircea_popescu in exactly the same way, it's not your job to "verify" that the miners don't 51% [16:09]
ThickAsThieves i have him ignored [16:09]
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mircea_popescu its their own self interest that does. [16:09]
BingoBoingo !t h cog [16:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.02949251 / 0.05480000 (895 shares, 26.39580023 BTC) [16:09]
mircea_popescu not in any sense within your control. [16:09]
ThickAsThieves i dont want that job [16:09]
mircea_popescu well i use you generically. [16:09]
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ThickAsThieves are you sayng that if mining power centralized to an unhealthy degree, so what? [16:09]
mircea_popescu i am saying that a) it cannot happen and b) this irrespective of what you know or don't know. [16:10]
mircea_popescu so in your terms "if you think it is or you think it isn't, so what ?" [16:10]
ThickAsThieves i mean i hear you, but this isnt quite about what i think or know, so much as what "is" [16:11]
mircea_popescu there is no i. [16:11]
mircea_popescu there is no is.* [16:11]
ThickAsThieves maybe tackle from another angle, [16:11]
mircea_popescu aite. [16:11]
ThickAsThieves would you say the more miners the better? [16:11]
mircea_popescu up to a threshold. then it doesn't really matter [16:12]
ThickAsThieves a dynamic threshold? [16:12]
mircea_popescu possibly, depending what context you working in [16:12]
ThickAsThieves suppose most miners are indeed in china [16:12]
mircea_popescu aite. [16:12]
ThickAsThieves and bitcoin is a huge thing [16:12]
BingoBoingo Interesting point: Discus Fish. Was a nothing six months ago. Now relayed to 2 of the last six blocks first [16:12]
ThickAsThieves and US blows up china [16:13]
mircea_popescu ha-ha. [16:13]
ThickAsThieves i know i know [16:13]
mircea_popescu i can't discuss the impossible tho, because anything can be logically derived from nonsense. [16:13]
ThickAsThieves i'm basically trying to make a case for mining diversification [16:13]
mircea_popescu but you're misstating it. if most of the world is china, then most of the world is going to be china [16:13]
mircea_popescu why get drunk on air? [16:13]
ThickAsThieves and for institutions to support that mining [16:13]
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mircea_popescu institutions have no business existing. [16:14]
asciilifeform antephialtic: re: trezor: open the widget and let it speak for itself. [16:14]
mircea_popescu the future is of individuals, who are going to be the institutions. like it or not. [16:14]
ThickAsThieves i dunno [16:14]
mircea_popescu well sure, but this "institution" bs is gone. [16:14]
mircea_popescu we're going back to caesar who is personally the emperor, [16:14]
ThickAsThieves i can buy it, except for that all history and all things in the universe say otherwise [16:14]
mircea_popescu running an empire of generals and senators who ARE, they themselves personally, the respective institutions. [16:15]
ThickAsThieves things contract into form, and explose into chaos over and over [16:15]
mircea_popescu the "country of laws not men" failed much like the giant leap forward failed. [16:15]
BingoBoingo [16:15]
ozbot Russian GLONASS Down For 12 Hours - Slashdot [16:15]
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ThickAsThieves are you saying the the age of the individual through tech can evade becoming to "centralized" and live between chaos and form? [16:16]
ThickAsThieves too* [16:16]
BingoBoingo [16:16]
BingoBoingo Wiki hates [16:16]
ozbot Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 March 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [16:16]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i suppose, depending on what exactly ou mean by that. [16:16]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that loltron is still going?! [16:16]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Just closed. [16:17]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo o, they beleeted it ? awww. [16:17]
asciilifeform last i checked, i was proclaimed a spammer and given a shitburial [16:17]
truffles orly [16:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well because you were, what, you dare contest teh wisdom that is ? [16:17]
truffles biggest spammer above u dood [16:17]
truffles ^^^ [16:18]
truffles!*@* added to ignore list. [16:18]
BingoBoingo Eh, give it a few years and then wikipedia will be subsumed by [16:19]
mircea_popescu i dunno about that. ideally we dun pour effort into dirt [16:20]
BingoBoingo I doubt effort will be needed [16:20]
dirt_ dont effort into me [16:20]
mircea_popescu anyway, once public education becomes a thing of the past, we'll be back to having actual literacy and actual encyclopedists will write actual encyclopedias, [16:20]
mircea_popescu which will be actually worth reading [16:21]
mircea_popescu lolstate oops dirt_ [16:21]
mircea_popescu :D [16:21]
asciilifeform truffles: small blog - [16:21]
ThickAsThieves what i mean is, by my own understanding so far, it seems all things centralize over time. in the context of human civilization this is seen quite obviously in, probably, all things observable [16:21]
mircea_popescu things centralise as they die. [16:21]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: COunterexample - Yugoslavia [16:22]
ThickAsThieves it's a cycle, yes [16:22]
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ThickAsThieves and despite its elegance, i'm not sure bitcoin can avoid this [16:22]
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ThickAsThieves of course, the timeline for any given thing centralizing and dying is uknown [16:22]
mircea_popescu my own view of that cycle is something like : a cool thing makes inroads. the people doing the cool thing eventually die, their successors aim to maintain that greatness [16:22]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Counterexample - Rawandan Hotelliers [16:22]
mircea_popescu so they resort to the fuel available : centralising [16:22]
mircea_popescu and then eventually that runs out too and that's that. [16:22]
ThickAsThieves i think there that danger must exist in bitcoin somewhere [16:23]
asciilifeform incidentally, i was proclaimed an unrepentant spammer, years ago, by no less a spam god than pg ( [16:23]
ThickAsThieves if not mining, if not owning of majority coins, then somewhere else [16:23]
ThickAsThieves eventually [16:23]
mircea_popescu suppose you all get extradited to the us to stand trial as witnesses in civil proceedings against unrelated third parties, and are liek waterboarded for lyf. as the forum says will happen. [16:23]
mircea_popescu the idiots left to replace you will decide well... the only way to maintain the glory of -assets that was [16:23]
chetty well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization [16:23]
mircea_popescu is to all pretend we're mp [16:23]
mircea_popescu so the channel spends a while as a dump of copy/pasted material [16:24]
mircea_popescu and slightly re-written webcopy [16:24]
mircea_popescu and then eventually dies. [16:24]
mircea_popescu that's the cycle. [16:24]
ThickAsThieves maybe the centralization is bitcoin itself [16:24]
ThickAsThieves load up on your ATCs! [16:24]
asciilifeform re: GLONASS: russia fucked the goat when it decided, in late '70s, to copy american CPUs so that warez can be used instead of investing in software dev. [16:25]
asciilifeform it remains to be seen whether it will recover from this mistake. [16:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dun think that was such a bad call myself. [16:25]
asciilifeform check out the latest 'Elbrus', for instance. x86, runs... xp. [16:25]
ozbot Looper (2012) - IMDb [16:25]
asciilifeform ;;google siberian pipeline explosion [16:26]
gribble Siberian pipeline sabotage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhgorod pipeline ( 1983 ) - Wikipedia: ; Update: Agent Farewell and the Siberian Pipeline Explosion ...: [16:26]
asciilifeform did this teach anything? of course not. [16:26]
ThickAsThieves i'd like to see a blog that consistently tackled the topics that make people like us most uncomfortable [16:26]
ThickAsThieves mp: so make it [16:26]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: But different things make us uncomfortable unequally [16:27]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the point of blogging is to explore exactly that. [16:27]
asciilifeform truffles: the cheap flick with the time machine mafia? [16:27]
ThickAsThieves bingo that's even better [16:27]
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asciilifeform truffles: not sure how it relates [16:27]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Just blag already [16:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if memory serves, the lessons learned were more about vetrov [16:27]
ThickAsThieves well, to be candid, and i love you guys, but right now our blog army is mostly preachers to the same choir [16:28]
asciilifeform truffles: 'lopers' were aliens from clifford simak's 'city' [16:28]
mircea_popescu so make it :D [16:28]
mircea_popescu the point was never to agree. the point was to disagree well. [16:28]
VanCleef i have feelings for u too [16:28]
ThickAsThieves thinking out loud, so sorry if this sucks, but i was also wondering whether having scheduled debate/topic events in channel would be cool [16:29]
mircea_popescu it'd certainly relieve me of the need to be always here whenever you schmucks manage to get an idea or something :D [16:29]
ThickAsThieves kinda invite outsiders to watch and see the channel flex [16:29]
mircea_popescu nah see, that's just moving the choir mentality down the road. [16:30]
mircea_popescu fuck the outsiders. [16:30]
mircea_popescu they wanna participate they'd better find it. [16:30]
ThickAsThieves it's not like we'd "market" it [16:30]
asciilifeform truffles: it was a minor subplot. they find these critters on jupiter, living in the gas, and decide to study them. by building a machine which transforms people into them, so they can see what their life is like. and then, for years, no one returns to be converted back. eventually one fellow comes back. and tells how much more fun it is than being human. end result: mankind vanishes, converted to lopers. [16:30]
ThickAsThieves so much as post the schedule [16:30]
ThickAsThieves or such [16:30]
mircea_popescu [16:30]
mircea_popescu this, actually, i propose as quite an illustrative 10k words summary of -assets [16:31]
mircea_popescu aren't the girls on the left just as hot as the one on the right ? [16:31]
mircea_popescu sure. and more numerous to boot. [16:31]
mircea_popescu however, they are perfectly useless, and will not matter. [16:31]
mircea_popescu she on the right matters. they on the left don't even exist. [16:31]
antephialtic mircea_popescu: w.r.t. to owning the hashpower, it is clear that the most effective way to launder the proceeds of some crime through bitcoin is to purchase mining hardware with the dirty cash [16:32]
ThickAsThieves The found and CEO of BitPay, Tony Gallippi, commented: “The launch of our new brand and logo aligns with our open-source culture." [16:32]
antephialtic in return for "clean coins" [16:32]
mircea_popescu antephialtic or purchase mining power. [16:32]
VanCleef tony seems really dodgy [16:32]
ThickAsThieves i've met him, he's hard to read [16:32]
mircea_popescu he's the only brain left in the bitcoin scamfoundation troop. [16:32]
mircea_popescu for as long as he can put up with the imbeciles, at any rate. [16:33]
VanCleef did he have a nice smell? [16:33]
ThickAsThieves he seems kind [16:33]
antephialtic VanCleef: BitPay is doing some good stuff. They are the only company that actually invests in the protocol itself [16:33]
VanCleef bitpay is the paypal of bitcoin reality [16:33]
ThickAsThieves with a hint of nervousness [16:33]
ThickAsThieves because [16:33]
asciilifeform why does the protocol need 'investment' ? [16:33]
BingoBoingo I dunno how I feel about Bitpay promoting some node.js BBQ stuff they's been pimping [16:33]
ThickAsThieves that's why [16:33]
BingoBoingo Seems Intersango like [16:33]
mircea_popescu antephialtic nah, not only and not even notable. [16:34]
mircea_popescu conformal is much more "only" and definitely more notable. [16:34]
VanCleef its just my humble opinion, i dont trust bitpay [16:34]
antephialtic Not the node.js stuff, that is a gimmick to get more shitty stack-overflow copy/pasting devs building crappy webapps [16:34]
punkman in an alternate universe, we have [16:34]
antephialtic BitPay pays Jeff Garzik's salary [16:34]
antephialtic for him to work on bitcoin-core fulltime [16:34]
VanCleef yeh and Jeff Garzik is a snitch [16:34]
VanCleef i dont trust him either [16:34]
BingoBoingo antephialtic: You know TradeFortress was a hugbox node.js fan [16:34]
ThickAsThieves i'm just floating whims [16:35]
mircea_popescu so what of it ? conformal pays its devs the salary to work on bitcoin-core full time. [16:35]
ThickAsThieves not trying to start a revolution [16:35]
mircea_popescu let me underscore that the core devs of bitcoin are at conformal not at the scam foundation. [16:35]
antephialtic name one miner mining off of btcd [16:35]
mircea_popescu why ? [16:35]
BingoBoingo Actual miners are the least knowable thing in BTC [16:35]
antephialtic look at the commit log, they fix chain-splitting bugs constantly [16:35]
mircea_popescu yeah, when they're not hardforking the chain [16:36]
antephialtic mircea_popescu: as a grotesque consequence of the sad state of the bitcoin-core codebase, bitcoin-core is unreplaceable [16:36]
mircea_popescu you really don't want to go into utility. so far the pretend-core devs are a liability overall. [16:36]
mircea_popescu that nonsense has no currency here. [16:36]
ThickAsThieves reddit doesnt seem to notice that every China-is-doomgloom post is by the same guy [16:36]
BingoBoingo truffles: There's always only been one topic here [16:36]
mircea_popescu i know, the circlejerk that is the pretend-core likes to convice themselves they're needed because they're stupid. [16:36]
mircea_popescu that's not how tech works. [16:37]
mircea_popescu not since 1800s at least. [16:37]
antephialtic mircea_popescu: I respect you. But I don't see you committing patches and fixing bugs. It's dirty work, but somebody has to do it. [16:37]
mircea_popescu dirty work does not become notable by virtue of being dirty. [16:37]
mircea_popescu ;;google "there's some lovely filth down here" [16:37]
gribble Oh! There is some lovely filth down here - YouTube: ; Monty Python Holy Grail : Autonomous Collective - YouTube: ; Monty Python and the Holy Grail: [16:37]
antephialtic yes, but it has utility. [16:37]
VanCleef its good that bitcoin is centralised to a few core devs [16:38]
asciilifeform antephialtic: what genuine bug has been patched since satoshi left ? [16:38]
mircea_popescu that's a case by case basis. in their case, it does not. [16:38]
BingoBoingo truffles: The topic is and has always been everything. It is unchanging [16:38]
mircea_popescu antephialtic in point of fact nobody sane uses their releases, most bitcoin is on .6 at the latest [16:38]
antephialtic asciilifeform: chain fork that happened [16:38]
mircea_popescu in this sense, if they went home today, or if they went home in 2013, it'd have made no difference [16:38]
mircea_popescu this is the definition of not useful. [16:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: chain fork that happened << it didn't "happen". mike hearn manufactured it. [16:39]
mircea_popescu the rest of them enabled it. [16:39]
antephialtic I disagree, P2SH is actually a big improvement in security by making multisig not a huge bitch to use [16:39]
asciilifeform i remember this. and thought that other people did, too. [16:39]
mircea_popescu antephialtic you're sliding the conversation all over the place. [16:39]
antephialtic well, my overall point (which you disagree with me on) is that the core devs provide value to all bitcoin users. [16:40]
mircea_popescu indeed, i fully disagree with that point. [16:40]
BingoBoingo I dunno that easy ECDSA multisig is a feature and not a "feature" [16:40]
mircea_popescu overall, they're a slight liability so far, and the trend is negative [16:40]
mircea_popescu they'll be a major liability this time next year, at the rate they're going. [16:40]
asciilifeform the core devs remind me of vagrants who pour water on cars at stoplights and then demand money for the 'wash.' [16:40]
ThickAsThieves i concur, i feel like they trailblazing in the dark toward a cliff [16:40]
mircea_popescu actually that's exactly it. vagrants with dirty rags at ny stop lights. [16:40]
VanCleef lol perfect description ascii [16:41]
mircea_popescu "they're useful", i nthe sense of mostly hungry. [16:41]
ThickAsThieves thats not to say that i think meaning isnt possible [16:41]
ThickAsThieves meaningful* [16:41]
asciilifeform 'i washed yer car, pony up' - 'i might throw you a penny, but you should've used water, not piss' [16:41]
antephialtic heh. [16:41]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform "what the fuck are you doing here ?" "washing your wife, what does it look like!" "get out! " "hey, you owe me fifty bucks" [16:42]
antephialtic but I do agree with you that conformal giving them some competition is a boon. I hope btcd becomes a fully viable alternative [16:42]
antephialtic (to the point where protocol additions/modifications can be implemented there first) [16:42]
mircea_popescu antephialtic and i agree with you[r unstated point] that they're too young yet to have shown they suck, [16:42]
mircea_popescu so the future is still largely unknown. [16:42]
ThickAsThieves last night, driving home, i see these large flashy signs saying "NARCOTICS CHECKPOINT" [16:43]
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ThickAsThieves then tons of cop lights for a half-mile [16:43]
ThickAsThieves with people pulled over [16:44]
ThickAsThieves i wasnt pulled over [16:44]
ThickAsThieves but i do wonder hoe the fuck this works [16:44]
ThickAsThieves how* [16:44]
ThickAsThieves "Do you have drugs?" "No." "Carry on" ? [16:44]
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mircea_popescu outrageous. [16:44]
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ThickAsThieves we are definitely overstaffed in this county [16:45]
VanCleef spread your cheeks and cough [16:45]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell justusranvier prolly interest you. [16:46]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:46]
ThickAsThieves is it an idiot trap? i mean all you do is say "is that an order?" "am i free to leave?" and that's it rigght? [16:46]
mircea_popescu i'd fucking sue the town. [16:47]
ThickAsThieves last weekend, [16:47]
mircea_popescu "you delayed me. pay up. you didn't pay up of your own accord. here's my lawyer. pay him too." [16:47]
ThickAsThieves they has a first-time craft beer festival [16:47]
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ThickAsThieves partially promoted and organized by the city [16:47]
ThickAsThieves well, [16:47]
ThickAsThieves 5 years ago the city had a nice new parking lot made near the area [16:47]
ThickAsThieves free every day all day [16:48]
ThickAsThieves then you go the event and it's all blocked off [16:48]
ThickAsThieves with someone collecting fees [16:48]
ThickAsThieves AND it was a pay event [16:48]
ThickAsThieves i dont get it... [16:48]
VanCleef dont they search your car? [16:48]
VanCleef if they wanted to [16:49]
ThickAsThieves so we pay for the lot, and when we need it most you charge us again? [16:49]
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BingoBoingo Eh, the state universities in Illinois have this odd rule where parking must be financed separately from the university it is attached to [16:50]
BingoBoingo The end result is a desire to sit in the parking garage for a lecture rather than any of the lecture halls [16:51]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell cads << where is this ? [16:52]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'll say they learned vetrov's lesson when they quit winblows. [16:53]
moiety what an epic day! I can think straight again! *getting to keep my house a wee bit longer! [16:53]
mircea_popescu nah, they just changed how they did personnel . for the nth time. [16:54]
asciilifeform nato strategy for getting russians to eat shit, however, is brilliant - eat it themselves. [16:54]
BingoBoingo congrats moiety [16:54]
mircea_popescu homeless moiety ?! [16:54]
asciilifeform 'they're eating it, why shouldn't we' [16:54]
moiety not yet mircea_popescu [16:54]
* moiety beams [16:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform brilliant is one way to call it... [16:54]
moiety thanks BingoBoingo :D [16:54]
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antephialtic [16:57]
ozbot News from The Associated Press [16:57]
antephialtic "The U.S. government masterminded the creation of a "Cuban Twitter" - a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba, built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned." [16:58]
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moiety let's celebrate with a manul: this is the face i mde at my landlord today [16:59]
asciilifeform where's the russian webturd for stirring unrest in the u.s.? why the neglect. [16:59]
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* BingoBoingo wonders if the back ditch is going to be able to handle all of this rain without spilling it into the house [17:01]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I dunno that the russians need one/lack the discipline to conceal their involvement [17:02]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves "narcotics checkpoint" aka "seeing if there are any shady people on the road"... travelling in a car is second only to travelling by air with regard to how few rights you have [17:03]
BingoBoingo At least Max Keiser is going to get his ass kicked [17:04]
VanCleef how do you lose against a crack head tho? [17:05]
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moiety BingoBoingo: i think this is worth a trip to london [17:05]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu [17:06]
BingoBoingo moiety: Maybe from scotland, it's what 15 minutes on a bicycle? [17:06]
moiety approx 8 hours via train, 12 via bus, 3 via plane [17:07]
BingoBoingo But they look so close on the map. [17:07]
moiety lolol probably cus you could fit britain into where you live XD [17:07]
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moiety takes 5 hours just to drive tonewcastle form here [17:08]
moiety (making good time) [17:08]
nubbins` what's a plane ride cost, $1? [17:08]
nubbins` :D [17:08]
jurov where's bitcointa-lk firefox plugin? [17:09]
moiety lol not from this city £100+ [17:09]
moiety it the only flight you can get i think nubbins` lol (to london) [17:09]
nubbins` heh [17:09]
nubbins` still. they wouldn't let you into the airport for £100 here [17:09]
BingoBoingo jurov: Github [17:09]
BingoBoingo [17:10]
ozbot Browser Extension | [17:10]
moiety and its those shady wee 12 seater things [17:10]
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moiety this is where i live (photographer friends pic) [17:11]
BingoBoingo That's not a place... That's a dock or a bridge [17:11]
moiety [17:12]
moiety we has both :D thats the city [17:12]
BingoBoingo Is that a volcano in the middle? [17:13]
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moiety 3 photographer friends have started an fb page withtheir pictures of the place, ivebeen stealing them all lol [17:13]
moiety yep [17:13]
moiety dormant [17:13]
nubbins` man. i've been trying to order medium black organic t-shirts for like a fuckin month [17:14]
nubbins` but they're always sold out of MEDIUM [17:14]
nubbins` all 5 warehouses [17:14]
nubbins` hundreds of all other sizes in stock [17:14]
jurov buy L and cook them? [17:15]
jurov and label them "pre-shrunk" [17:16]
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BingoBoingo Buy small and call them fat? [17:16]
moiety lolol ^ [17:16]
nubbins` heh. [17:17]
nubbins` well last time the customer just got a bunch of large [17:17]
BingoBoingo If you want to be polite about it you can call the smalls "fitted" [17:18]
nubbins` but this order, they're asking for 20 mediums in a 50-shirt order [17:18]
nubbins` i'm going to suggest charcoal grey instead of black [17:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.063099 = 0.1262 BTC [+] [17:19]
BingoBoingo Maybe institute a bezzel where your "insurer" won't let you organic, because moths [17:19]
nubbins` heh [17:19]
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jurov BingoBoingo: thx, I realized I can click the (Github) on their plugin page [17:21]
BingoBoingo jurov: welcome [17:23]
nubbins` one of the nicest smells is just after you finish grinding coffee beans [17:23]
nubbins` there's this brief whiff of co2-heavy air that comes out [17:23]
nubbins` only lasts a second or two [17:24]
BingoBoingo [17:24]
ozbot Rogue alcoholic court reporter kept writing ‘I hate my job’ | New York Post [17:24]
nubbins` always wondered why they don't keep voice recordings [17:26]
asciilifeform nubbins`: it's all part of the 'rule of law' bullshit, where they get to decide that certain things never happened [17:26]
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asciilifeform or that tone of voice never happened (SOP) etc. [17:27]
nubbins` "Strike those comments from the record!" / "rewind the tape 30 seconds!" [17:27]
BingoBoingo Also text doesn't convey the judge's drunk sluring [17:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04400042 = 0.308 BTC [-] {4} [17:27]
asciilifeform yeah but then, unless an expert monkey walks the recording, it becomes obvious [17:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05791428 = 0.4054 BTC [+] {4} [17:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {4} [17:27]
asciilifeform that something was snipped [17:27]
asciilifeform 'the memory hole' [17:27]
asciilifeform only really works well with text [17:27]
nubbins` for shame [17:28]
nubbins` stenography shorthand, fascinating [17:28]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06060114 = 0.4848 BTC [-] [17:38]
mircea_popescu nubbins` lol pretty epic [17:38]
nubbins` [17:40]
ozbot This is the story of your loss. [17:40]
nubbins` straight troll now ;( [17:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00096 = 9.168 BTC [+] [17:40]
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antephialtic "Marcel Popescu" [17:44]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in the best america : [17:44]
antephialtic is that your french cousin? [17:45]
mircea_popescu i have no idea ? [17:45]
mircea_popescu you'll have to take me slowly, my forum reports stopped coming in. i have no fucking idea. [17:45]
pankkake wow, venezuela is scary. I fear it's the future of France :( [17:45]
nubbins` "People who go shopping every day hurt us all" [17:45]
nubbins` ^ pretty lucid [17:45]
pankkake and I'm a hoarder already [17:46]
Apocalyptic might as well be pankkake [17:46]
mircea_popescu pankkake the not so distant future. [17:46]
nubbins` you're not a hoarder, you're a nervous buyer. [17:46]
Apocalyptic but Sapin is gonna save you all [17:46]
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nubbins` anyway, just pointing out the name of the website that article is posted on [17:46]
pankkake Now, think about those “loyalty cards” that every grocery store in North America promotes when you go through the checkout. [17:46]
nubbins` "the daily sheeple" -- almost as cringe-worthy as the Frank & Oak ads [17:47]
pankkake eh, this is actually true, loyalty cards just got financially interesting this year [17:47]
mircea_popescu they had them since the 80s [17:47]
mircea_popescu one of buffett's first businesses was some discount stamp operation. [17:47]
nubbins` "Food Minister Felix Osorio said the process was off to a smooth start. He says the system will sound an alarm when it detects suspicious purchasing patterns, ensuring that less-than-honest customers will be beaten to death by the angry mob that surrounds them" [17:48]
pankkake stores I go to had like 0.03% savings, now it's 5% [17:48]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [17:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00095961 = 22.7907 BTC [-] {2} [17:48]
Apocalyptic pankkake, have you seen ? [17:48]
Apocalyptic pretty lulzy [17:49]
mircea_popescu venezuela, set to become first country without inequality. "in our stores, nobody buys nuttin'" one county comissioner stated. [17:49]
pankkake lol, no haven't seen [17:49]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic you french too ? [17:49]
Apocalyptic i have lived in France for a decent time [17:49]
nubbins` "maybe if we give EVERYONE a job toting a rifle around a grocery store..." [17:50]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [17:50]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 5987463980.93 based on data since last change | 6793092876.89 based on data for last three days [17:50]
ThickAsThieves burly [17:50]
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mircea_popescu ah i c. [17:50]
nubbins` anyway the funny thing about these "sheeple" / "SHTF" websites is that they offer advice that would have been perceived as obvious and sensible a generation or two ago [17:50]
moiety nubbins`: I'm free for [17:50]
nubbins` "plant a garden" / "eat local food" / "store long-term food supplies" [17:51]
nubbins` etc [17:51]
ThickAsThieves ah the GOOG finally split [17:51]
nubbins` modern dum-dums read this and say "lel what are you worried about" [17:51]
mircea_popescu nubbins` indeed. which is the genius of it, they just copy/paste old almanacs [17:51]
nubbins` yup. [17:51]
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Apocalyptic pankkake, the declaration has actually been removed from the official website this morning [17:52]
nubbins` it's amazing how quickly a society forgets [17:52]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:52]
mircea_popescu cat ftw. [17:52]
Apocalyptic just noticed the update, it's so good [17:52]
rithm i thought everything bitcoin-related was a scam [17:52]
nubbins` rithm it is [17:52]
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rithm ahh k [17:53]
nubbins` bummer, huh? [17:53]
thestringpuller [17:53]
mircea_popescu ah come on [17:54]
mircea_popescu nubbins` your face's a scam [17:54]
nubbins` thestringpuller: "What is replacing the dollar in these U.S. cities and companies? Watch this fuckin video to find out because we can't be bothered to just tell you" [17:54]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: how else am i supposed to beguile the ladies? [17:54]
mircea_popescu darn. [17:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.04265959 = 1.0665 BTC [-] {6} [17:54]
Asa9 nice cat gif [17:55]
mircea_popescu Asa9 now that cat definitely's a scam [17:55]
nubbins` heh. [17:55]
nubbins` cat is running a fractional reserve [17:55]
numerisTrade /j #ripple [17:55]
nubbins` "nonono i totally have a dozen eggs, just come back tomorrow" [17:56]
mircea_popescu well... a fractional chicken serve, anyway. [17:56]
antephialtic "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC." [17:57]
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nubbins` i feel like i should post a link from an alarmist end-of-times website to fit in [17:57]
mircea_popescu "our city dump is already overfull. we can't dump no dollar" [17:57]
nubbins` i came across one of these a while ago: [17:57]
mircea_popescu nubbins` like're-Cute ? [17:57]
mircea_popescu note the fucking tranny opening cartoon [17:58]
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nubbins` heh [17:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.05889992 = 1.4725 BTC [+] {2} [17:58]
nubbins` keep #2, throw out the rest [17:59]
nubbins` altho TBF if you're not naturally confident, faking it ain't gonna work [17:59]
mircea_popescu confident is not cute. [17:59]
mircea_popescu submissive is cute, and that's hard to fake. [17:59]
mircea_popescu "Make sure you take a shower,wash your hair, body, feet, etc" [17:59]
nubbins` oh, shit, we're going for "cute" [17:59]
mircea_popescu sometimes i wonder where in africa is this us of a. [18:00]
nubbins` speaking of cute, my wife bought a pair of these insane leggings: [18:00]
nubbins` [18:00]
mircea_popescu "Don't wear some booty shorts that make your butt hang out, low cut shirts, really tight clothing, or sheer clothing. Hanging all your stuff out isn't cute, it's gross. Be modest." [18:00]
mircea_popescu apparently, some muslim part of africa at any rate. [18:01]
nubbins` "wear floor-length skirts and turtleneck sweaters" [18:01]
nubbins`,34397/ [18:01]
ozbot Suburban Mom Wows Family With Most Androgynous Look Yet | The Onion - America's Finest News Source [18:01]
mircea_popescu how to "accidentally" get shot, a guide. #1 : "Randomly poke him in his stomach, arm, or face. " [18:01]
mircea_popescu "Randomly look at him and say you're a flirt. Make sure you sound playfully and sweet. Surely you two will get in a play argument about who is a bigger flirt." [18:02]
mircea_popescu ah these wikis are so great. [18:02]
mircea_popescu [18:04]
ozbot Twitter / aantonooooop: If @Mircea_Popescu is the ... [18:04]
mircea_popescu someone made a "fake andreas". [18:04]
mircea_popescu question that remains is who the fuck is the real andreas. [18:04]
mircea_popescu please stand up. [18:04]
pankkake oh that's where the "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC." is from [18:05]
pankkake haha it's pure genius [18:05]
kakobrekla a digital to analogue converter? i dun get it. [18:06]
pankkake Decentralized Autonomous Corporation [18:07]
nubbins` hm, considering making a bet about whether HIF will pay a dividend on schedule [18:07]
kakobrekla stupid acronym [18:07]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla some reddit derps took mpex contracts, threw out most of the good bits [they didn';t understood] and "branded it" [18:07]
mircea_popescu now they'll be forever remembered [18:07]
kakobrekla orly [18:07]
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mircea_popescu as those reddit derps that tried to name something they stole but not actually understood in a futile attempt to be forever remembered that nevertheless sorta worked [18:08]
Asa9 omg THE goldstein of bitcoin! [18:08]
mircea_popescu for a year or so [18:08]
Asa9 an honor sir! [18:08]
kakobrekla ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet [18:09]
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kakobrekla meh [18:09]
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mircea_popescu it's not a bad thing to be, tbh. if the choice is that book, the only other option is the chick when young [18:09]
mircea_popescu and i dun wanna be a chick, even should she be young. [18:09]
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mircea_popescu so why da fuck does nobody go "omg s.nsa must post pics we do not believe this" ? [18:10]
asciilifeform perhaps they were put to sleep by the first set of pics. [18:10]
asciilifeform do people even like to look at printed circuits any more? [18:11]
mircea_popescu sucks to be me [18:11]
mircea_popescu i wish i could be marcel popescu of the forums instead [18:11]
pankkake no the only thing that matters is the PCB color [18:11]
asciilifeform i'm twirling a brand new one in my fingers now. what a beautiful crystallized piece of civilization this bugger is. [18:11]
asciilifeform think of all of the engineering sweat that goes into the tech (not to mention little chinese girls denied toilet breaks) [18:12]
nubbins` i base my tech purchases on the amount of pee being held in by the people making the item in question [18:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0608355 = 1.2167 BTC [+] {2} [18:13]
nubbins` generally this is unknowable so it's been a while since i bought anything new [18:13]
Asa9 bladder augmentation [18:13]
mircea_popescu well here's the pic anyway : (grep for ps) [18:13]
mircea_popescu tho you really don't deserve it. [18:13]
asciilifeform to be fair, i understand why skeptics don't care much for photos now. [18:13]
asciilifeform photo doesn't prove that a widget functions as promised. [18:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if you fail miserably your punishment will be to dwell on the forums for two years. [18:14]
mircea_popescu guaranteed to change the way you look at ... i dunno, a glass of water. [18:14]
nubbins` sexy boards [18:14]
nubbins` i can only imagine what lies beneath the sticker [18:14]
asciilifeform nubbins`: these are i/o panels. [18:14]
mircea_popescu omfg i need another internet. [18:15]
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asciilifeform i like how the 'customs inspection' time of this crap is... 10 minutes. [18:16]
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asciilifeform and yes, the sticker tells the truth, afaik - these came out of the plating baths on 4/1. [18:16]
nubbins` have you guys figured out packaging/documentation/instructions/etc for these little beasts yet? [18:16]
antephialtic you gotta have today's newspaper in the background of the pic [18:16]
mircea_popescu nubbins` not fully. [18:17]
asciilifeform nubbins`: ask a fellow who owns a kalashnikov. did it come with instructions? [18:17]
asciilifeform 'this side towards enemy' [18:17]
mircea_popescu i do think he has a point, we'll have to figure it out [18:18]
mircea_popescu even if the figuring ends up being "fu go away" [18:18]
asciilifeform in all seriousness, i intend to print 'cardano - design & operation' in dead tree, for a few lucky folks [18:18]
mircea_popescu with illustrations [18:18]
dignork [18:19]
asciilifeform and commented sources. [18:19]
mircea_popescu "cardano, the missing manul" ? [18:19]
nubbins` well, y'know kids these days. nice packaging + a couple of "unboxing videos" = more sales [18:19]
asciilifeform on the nato side, [18:19]
asciilifeform [18:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you ever seen the landmines ? [18:19]
mike_c ;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet << for everybody who asks "how to i get wot ratings". here's one way. [18:19]
mircea_popescu "this end towards enemy" [18:19]
asciilifeform claymore [18:19]
asciilifeform russian version, afaik, lacks the helpful tip. [18:20]
nubbins` lel [18:20]
asciilifeform nm [18:20]
asciilifeform [18:20]
asciilifeform there it is. [18:20]
asciilifeform 'к противнику' [18:20]
mircea_popescu potrivnicii hahaha [18:21]
mircea_popescu "potrivnic" means opponent in romanian [18:21]
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antephialtic ascilifeform:'s_Manual [18:21]
antephialtic whoops, didn't see someone had already posted [18:21]
asciilifeform what do you know. everything has a manual. [18:21]
asciilifeform probably even army spoon. [18:21]
dignork toilet paper? [18:21]
mircea_popescu "do not chew" [18:22]
mircea_popescu nubbins` lol marsellus. [18:22]
nubbins` :D [18:22]
mircea_popescu i shall be mp aka marsellus goldstein [18:22]
nubbins` marsellus popescuus [18:22]
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andreas_ [18:22]
ozbot Pastebin: emFvrWIk | IRCCloud [18:22]
asciilifeform find a silica gel packet that came with electronic parts. mine here is printed: 'do not eat.' [18:22]
chetty British Army TP used to say "on her majesties service" on each sheet [18:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i saw some "do not feed to children" [18:23]
mircea_popescu chetty ahahahaah [18:23]
nubbins` "do not insert genitals into blender" [18:23]
mircea_popescu probably for stress relieving [18:23]
Asa9 lol [18:23]
asciilifeform re: trolls, pcb photos, and skepticism: i'm waiting for the clever idiots. 'you stuffed winblows in there' [18:24]
mircea_popescu there's sadly no middle class idiocy. people are either very dumb or passibly smart. [18:26]
nubbins` all-black packaging plz [18:26]
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mircea_popescu i wonder how the hell this works out in practice, it's out and out antistatistical. [18:26]
nubbins` classy [18:26]
asciilifeform i have this (perhaps false?) memory that the net used to contain clever idiots. [18:26]
moiety [18:26]
mircea_popescu i think it may be more of an artefact of your age asciilifeform [18:26]
asciilifeform maybe they all OD'd on aol stock in the '90s or something [18:26]
mircea_popescu when you were a kid things maybe looked taller. [18:26]
asciilifeform possibly. [18:26]
nubbins` this is why i don't re-watch movies i enjoyed as a kid [18:27]
mircea_popescu ^ [18:27]
mike_c some hold up though. [18:27]
mircea_popescu i sometimes do, but it's always a debate. [18:27]
nubbins` the scattered one, yes [18:27]
asciilifeform hilariously, virtually all the folks who read my blog think i must be at least 50y.o. [18:27]
nubbins` the dark crystal vs the mask [18:27]
mircea_popescu i rewatched jungle book and i was completely underwhelmed [18:27]
mircea_popescu (as a kid, i could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me) [18:27]
asciilifeform russian prison proverb - 'do not return to the place where you had joy' [18:28]
mike_c does the dark crystal hold up? i would be nervous to watch again because i loved it as a kid. [18:28]
nubbins` mike_c yeah [18:28]
mircea_popescu you two may be different people, as a psa. [18:28]
nubbins` skeksis are still fucking badass [18:28]
asciilifeform could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me << that was me, watching american animation on bootled vhs, in '90. [18:28]
mike_c heh. awesome [18:28]
asciilifeform *bootleg [18:28]
pankkake BFL sends me a mail with… this image: [18:29]
nubbins` there's something nice about watching a movie in a language you don't understand, though [18:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty much yeah :D [18:29]
nubbins` the first time i saw pan's labyrinth was spanish audio with korean subtitles [18:29]
rithm take_my_bitcoins_logo.png trollmode over9000 [18:29]
nubbins` pankkake so does this mean they're offering refunds...? [18:30]
mircea_popescu nubbins` watch spielen wir liebe then. [18:30]
mircea_popescu guaranteed trip. [18:30]
rithm so NEOBEE or is that yesterday's lolercoaster [18:31]
mircea_popescu NewBie shall return! from ashes! [18:31]
rithm "people are threatening me everything is mysterious let's be vague on bitscumtalk" [18:31]
asciilifeform is there a short/sweet sum-up somewhere of wtf 'neobee' was? [18:31]
asciilifeform the way it looks to me, it's replay of 'pirate' ? [18:32]
kakobrekla from some guy: > Upon review of your Bitstamp account we have to notify you that your verification documents do not meet our verification standards. [18:32]
mircea_popescu bitscumtalk lol [18:32]
rithm sonething something ipo physical location cryptocurrency [18:32]
mircea_popescu this reminds me of the weird homoerotic teenager party game [18:32]
kakobrekla after he has been verified. [18:32]
nubbins` asciilifeform the general consensus is that btc flowed from "investors" through tat to neo to cypriot advertisers who kicked back to neo [18:32]
nubbins` or something [18:32]
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asciilifeform was 'neobee' ever more than of 'entomological' interest to thinking folks? [18:33]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla verifications reverify every fie. [18:33]
rithm everything is the same oops your money is gone pirate replay [18:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform originally it claimed, without substantiation, that it may be. so thinking folks originally reserved judgement [18:33]
rithm it's the exit strategy of the world. no accountability [18:33]
rithm erm except MPEx tho [18:33]
rithm couch couch [18:34]
rithm *cough [18:34]
nubbins` was just gonna say, nsa/mg are the only btc corps i can think of that didn't immediately blow their fuckin wad on salaries [18:34]
mircea_popescu how scandalous this must be. [18:34]
nubbins` imagine, startups that are more interested in making things than drawing a fat paycheque [18:34]
rithm crqazy talk [18:34]
mircea_popescu YOU MUST GROW FAST [18:35]
rithm step one is buy the gulfstream [18:35]
rithm step two is learn to fly [18:35]
nubbins` as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money [18:35]
nubbins` pink eye didn't pay out a dime in wages for our first 2 years [18:35]
nubbins` even now, it's minimum wage for billable hours only [18:35]
rithm step three smile, shake hands, take monies, talk smart <---that's all one step [18:36]
asciilifeform i've spent ~2 btc, so far. [18:36]
* nubbins` genuinely applauds alf [18:36]
Apocalyptic as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money << amazes me as well [18:36]
mircea_popescu more like 1.6 [18:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10915 @ 0.00010999 = 1.2005 BTC [+] {3} [18:36]
rithm step four abscond with monies [18:36]
rithm step five $$$ [18:36]
nubbins` "let's open an office with neon signs and track lighting and wood panelling and GLASS EVERYWHERE" [18:36]
nubbins` "we can afford to do this for a couple of weeks" [18:37]
asciilifeform to be fair, i did blow $xxxx of lunch money modernizing my bench. but that's not an s.nsa expense item. [18:37]
nubbins` aha! so remember those shit plastisol inks that were "donated" to us, and were unusable, and the dump wouldn't take? [18:37]
nubbins` convinced the asshole donators to take 'em back [18:38]
* nubbins` cackles [18:38]
rithm how about those shiny new GOOGL class C's [18:39]
VanCleef goes well with a segway [18:40]
mircea_popescu i'd take a two year put on google/bitcoin [18:40]
mircea_popescu the problem is that fucking market has no liquidity whatsoever [18:40]
mircea_popescu perhaps due to the fact everyone knows fiat is fucked. [18:40]
rithm the fungibility of bitcoin decimal units is the only thing that can bail anyone out of trillions in debt [18:42]
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asciilifeform VanCleef: segway goes well with... cliffs. [18:43]
asciilifeform ;;google segway cliff [18:43]
gribble Segway tycoon Jimi Heselden dies in cliff plunge on one of his own ...: ; Jimi Heselden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff, dies - NBC News: [18:43]
rithm i'm counting down the days until zombies myself [18:43]
rithm spend a little time each night sharpening my axe [18:43]
asciilifeform rithm: everyone knows you sharpen a sapper's spade for zombies, not axe. [18:44]
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rithm your legs are strong, and you're so, so long and you don't come from this town [18:45]
mircea_popescu i wonder if zombies give better head. [18:45]
rithm if you use a machete sure [18:45]
mircea_popescu seeing how crackheads aren't so bad, and that'd seem the next ogical step [18:45]
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mod6 crackheads have less teef, not sure about zombies. [18:46]
mircea_popescu if zombies have teef they're probably a) not theirs and b) lodged in their backs etc. [18:47]
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rithm mircea_popescu seems like the type to bareback a zombie [18:47]
rithm idk [18:47]
* nubbins` blinks [18:47]
nubbins` that's a sapper's spade? [18:47]
nubbins` i have one of those [18:47]
nubbins` it was called a "camping shovel" [18:48]
mod6 entrenching tool [18:48]
mod6 many uses [18:48]
asciilifeform [18:49]
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mike_c rithm: google is learning from mpex :) more non-voting shares! [18:51]
nubbins` was always curious about the serrated edge [18:51]
nubbins` eventually decided it was for tree roots [18:52]
mod6 nice asciilifeform [18:52]
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mircea_popescu buffett actually made the observation sometime in the 80s that their nonvoting shares turned out to be more valuable than their voting shares [18:52]
mircea_popescu and starting detaching selling off his voting rights [18:53]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in the land of the desperate, "Facing the success of Anna Tatu's Valentine banners, we have redesigned them & removed the reference to "Valentine". Now you can use them all year long!" [18:53]
nubbins` TATU [18:53]
nubbins` sorry, t.A.T.u. [18:54]
VanCleef whatever happened to those chicks? [18:54]
nubbins` not sure, very popular in korea when i was there [18:54]
nubbins` entire discog available in every karaoke room [18:54]
VanCleef sickness [18:54]
asciilifeform nubbins`: incl. 'yugoslavia' ? [18:54]
mircea_popescu nubbins` they came of age and so were no longer interesting to pedos ? [18:54]
mircea_popescu < that's her anyway. [18:55]
nubbins` asciilifeform that's the one song name i remember [18:55]
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mircea_popescu they had a "things she said" one, i dun recall the yugoslavia bit [18:55]
mircea_popescu not being around at the time. [18:56]
nubbins` booze in the grocery store [18:56]
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nubbins` things you don't see here [18:56]
mircea_popescu nubbins` europe is actually free. [18:56]
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asciilifeform [18:56]
ozbot t.A.T.u. - Yugoslavia - YouTube [18:56]
asciilifeform that one. [18:56]
asciilifeform (english subs) [18:56]
nubbins` mircea_popescu more common here is to have a full liquor store attached to the grocery store [18:56]
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mircea_popescu "Kochanski’s botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him." [18:57]
mircea_popescu someone should conduct a study of "how many times did the prosecution claim hitman to try and get a tough case past the jury" [18:57]
asciilifeform having been on a u.s. jury, i'll say that it ought to be enough to cure anyone of 'rule of law' delusion. [18:57]
nubbins`,-52.716654,2a,90y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!!2e4!3e12!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xdc3cfa9c288b7d43!6m1!1e1 [18:58]
ozbot Google Maps [18:58]
nubbins` that's a link [18:58]
mircea_popescu o ? how did it go ? [18:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.50703232 BTC to 4`992 shares, 50221 satoshi per share [18:58]
asciilifeform it was a petty theft case, long ago. some bugger was evicted from an apartment, and his belongings were carried out by a set of hired hands. one of whom stole a garbage bag full of pron. also containing a (usg-issued) laptop. [18:59]
jurov nubbins` here you can see small grocery attached to liquor store instead xD [18:59]
asciilifeform the latter had the mandatory bios rootkit, and 'called home' [18:59]
nubbins` :D [18:59]
asciilifeform but none of this is interesting. the educational bit is how the trials actually go [18:59]
nubbins` generally you only see booze and groceries in the same store when you visit rural areas [18:59]
turbo_ac100 mike_c: well for the first one it seems reasonable to me. Maybe because I don't know too much about WOT :P [18:59]
asciilifeform e.g. both sides will stipulate something (said something being obvious crock of shit) to be 'fact' and go from there [19:00]
nubbins` altho this varies by province. quebec famously sells wine in gas stations [19:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's adversarial system with you. [19:00]
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nubbins` here in newfoundland, every corner store and gas station sells beer, but no wine/booze [19:00]
asciilifeform ended in a mistrial, and the next set of jury chumpers naturally won't be told anything, everyone pretends the 1st go never happened, etc. [19:00]
mircea_popescu not necessarily anything wrong with it, is there ? [19:00]
nubbins` i was an alternate juror once, never ended up being needed [19:01]
asciilifeform adversarial system... not necessarily anything wrong with it << i'd rather they skipped straight to trial by chainsaw combat [19:01]
asciilifeform same result, more honest, cheaper. [19:01]
mircea_popescu no but bear with me a minute. [19:01]
mircea_popescu each side stipulates a crock of shit as fact and they go from there. [19:01]
nubbins` selection process was interesting. domestic assault trial, defendant turned away every female juror until his limit was up [19:01]
asciilifeform ah yes! [19:02]
mircea_popescu this seems intellecrtually quite respectable no ? [19:02]
asciilifeform voir dire [19:02]
asciilifeform it's a circus all its own. [19:02]
mircea_popescu i may be the only person here that actually appreciates common law. [19:02]
asciilifeform they systematically banish anyone with the slightest inkling of a clue from the room [19:02]
nubbins` ^ [19:02]
asciilifeform i've been to four of these [19:02]
asciilifeform one time got picked. they ran out of 'strikes' [19:02]
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nubbins` it was fun seeing people trying to get out of jury duty [19:03]
nubbins` "no b'y i gotta work" [19:03]
nubbins` st. john's being a city of less than 200k people, two of the jurors were excused because their sons played soccer with the prosecutor's son [19:04]
Apocalyptic lol [19:04]
mircea_popescu "my ex used to date his brother's ex your honor" [19:05]
asciilifeform trials were probably more interesting in the days of 'peine forte et dure' etc. [19:05]
asciilifeform i'ma ask for me lisp machine to be brought to my peine forte et dure. [19:05]
asciilifeform 60kg. [19:05]
mircea_popescu wywialm best way to figure out wtf atc is is to grep the logs for it. [19:06]
mike_c ;;later tell turbo_ac100 i think it is quite reasonable. i was presenting it as a good example of how to get rated. [19:07]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:07]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [19:08]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 447.31, Best ask: 447.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 447.31, 24 hour volume: 30559.63876518, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 457.36, 24 hour vwap: 439.818273209 [19:08]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 314.59764223*439.818273209 [19:08]
gribble 138365.791761 [19:08]
mircea_popescu ;;google brk-a [19:08]
gribble BRK-A: Summary for Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Common - Yahoo ...: ; Berkshire Hathaway Inc.: NYSE:BRK.A quotes & news - Google ...: ; BRKA - Berkshire Hathaway Inc Stock quote - [19:08]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 186199.00 / 138365.791761 [19:08]
gribble 1.34570111319 [19:08]
mircea_popescu tsk tsk. [19:09]
mircea_popescu ahead by 35% [19:09]
asciilifeform re: voir dire: it often gets ridiculous. 'who here was a policeman? lawyer? once knew a policeman? once saw a policeman?' [19:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but WHY do you say it's ridiculous ? [19:09]
bounce what's wrong with institutions that $person dies, $institution dies is preferrable? [19:09]
asciilifeform bounce: nothing is wrong with this. because new caesars can be born. [19:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you should see, with your own eyes, who is left at the end of this procedure. [19:10]
asciilifeform i did see - by sheer accident. [19:11]
bounce to every ceasar there's a bunch of fscktards and even more mediocre guys holding down the place [19:11]
mircea_popescu i have participated [19:11]
bounce I don't really see a difference here, except much less continuity [19:11]
mircea_popescu on the strategist end of things, ie, picking who to throw off. [19:11]
asciilifeform that must've been puddles of fun. [19:11]
mircea_popescu sure. [19:12]
asciilifeform i assume everyone has seen the 'peoples of walmart' crap. well, that's who gets to sit on the jury. [19:12]
bounce wasn't it "a few good men" where the hot shot lawyer guy urged to keep the nigger because of his nicely shined shoes? [19:13]
bounce though I may well be misremembering. what a jury needs at a military trial is a bit of fridge logic. [19:15]
Mats_cd03 "Adversarial system"? Who are you, Scalia? [19:15]
asciilifeform fridge logic ? [19:15]
asciilifeform and since when does a military trial use a jury ? [19:15]
bounce ;;google fridge logic tvtropes [19:16]
gribble Main/Fridge Logic - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: ; Main/Fridge Brilliance - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: ; Main/Fridge Horror - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: [19:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but this doesn;t work for your arghument, it works against it. [19:16]
mircea_popescu the people of wallmart thing [19:16]
Mats_cd03 courts martial [19:16]
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mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 apparently. [19:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ? [19:16]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact that the jury is selected for stupidity does not on the face support the theory that the trial is ineffectual. [19:17]
Mats_cd03 e.g. a flag officer under courts martial gets a jury of his peers (other flag officers - generals) [19:17]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 apparently i'm marsellus goldstern scalia. [19:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you did the exact same thing when you made cardano designs : selected the parts for stupidity. [19:18]
mircea_popescu well... goose, gander. [19:18]
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Mats_cd03 dongsellus dongstern donglia [19:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it is certainly effective for... a purpose. just not the stated one - 'findings of fact' [19:18]
mircea_popescu why not ? [19:18]
mircea_popescu and it's "findings of fact AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE CASE" [19:18]
mircea_popescu it's not an apollo expedition. [19:18]
Mats_cd03 its my greatest disappointment in life [19:19]
bounce who'd find facts in an apollo capsule anyway? [19:19]
asciilifeform well over here they also have an interesting legal concept, 'plea bargain' [19:19]
Mats_cd03 that ill never be able to traverse the stars [19:19]
asciilifeform where 99% of the accused plead guilty to some largely-fictional charge [19:19]
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mircea_popescu plea bargains and juries are not really much related thi [19:20]
asciilifeform but they go great together. [19:20]
mircea_popescu im not sure i could articulate your thesis atm. [19:20]
Mats_cd03 asciilifeform: sad stacks, not enough people have the balls to go to trial and prefer to plea [19:20]
Mats_cd03 you know, game theory, etc etc [19:20]
bounce nah. they're more of an extortionate fix to a "justice" system with too many overly vague overly broad criminal laws [19:20]
Mats_cd03 the average prosecutor can only manage n trials at any time in a jurisdiction [19:21]
Mats_cd03 the trick is being n+1 when the time comes ;) [19:21]
mircea_popescu bounce pretty much. [19:21]
pankkake [19:21]
ozbot Unraveling the Neo & Bee - Wave of resignations by employees and Mr. Neo disappeared : neobee [19:21]
mircea_popescu pankkake i hope you're aware you're engaging in the crime of COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BLACKMAIL [19:22]
bounce ie they're a way to wriggle past bill shock (where the bill is the sentence as well as the rest of the cost) while at the same time allowing the "justice" department to show they're worth their money by "producing" convicts [19:22]
mircea_popescu convictions. [19:22]
pankkake I'm surprised no one ever offered me money to shut up [19:22]
mircea_popescu if they could produce convictions without convicts they'd be happiest. [19:22]
pankkake threats, but not coins [19:23]
mircea_popescu pankkake they were trying to buy the girl over tho... [19:23]
Apocalyptic threats are cheap, like air [19:23]
mircea_popescu see, if only you had tits.. [19:23]
Apocalyptic coins on the other hand... [19:23]
bounce aaron schwarz is a good illustration where the DoJ deliberately went for it only it backfired. though apparently hasn't backfired enough. [19:23]
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Mats_cd03 [19:23]
ozbot S Korea and the runaway drone - Opinion - Al Jazeera English [19:23]
pankkake if I was a girl, I would have been a prostitute [19:23]
mircea_popescu then you'd have been a "girl you'll be a woman soon". [19:23]
bounce hmm... you're saying they're competing with the (commercially run) jail system? :-) [19:23]
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bounce no convicts -> empty jails. doesn't appear to be a goal of the system. though it could be, I'll give you that. though not in a country where the culture prescribes conflicts must be about people. a conviction is an outcome of such a conflict. [19:26]
mircea_popescu bounce the jail filling is not a goal of the justice dept. [19:26]
mircea_popescu other people make that buck. [19:26]
bounce who drives it, though? seeing the large amounts of poor held pretty much indefinitely in pre-trial holding cells [19:27]
mircea_popescu congress. its the original backbone of pork [19:28]
mircea_popescu running a jail was the way to put yourself on the map, see ? [19:29]
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mircea_popescu all through the 1800s [19:29]
benkay o/ [19:30]
bounce geh. talk about unintended consequences. [19:31]
mircea_popescu that entire storyline about how easy the mobsters had it in jail ? well , the jails were run by congressmen which they had elected, and were going to reelect. [19:32]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the flow of campaign funds has mostly moved, but not entirely. and history is what shapes mechanisms. [19:32]
bounce am I correct in presuming the no institutions thing is about ensuring someone takes responsibility? [19:32]
mircea_popescu "why is the road here" "because this is the path cows took coming home" [19:32]
asciilifeform in wash. d.c., there is a private museaum, 'crime & punishment', with famous electric chairs, etc. they also have a reconstructed example of such a jail cell [19:32]
mircea_popescu bounce to a large degree. [19:32]
bounce so lingering connections and all that [19:32]
asciilifeform looks quite like a '40s hotel room [19:32]
asciilifeform complete with escritoire, if i recall. [19:33]
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bounce there's prisons much more elaborate than that in latin america. you get to buy-in (and buy-out when you leave) for considerable sums of money, though [19:34]
Mats_cd03 it gets better [19:35]
mircea_popescu anyway, the "suspended sentence" is the proof of the separation between convict and conviction, and the respective beneficiary institutions. [19:35]
mircea_popescu the cleavage is pretty deep [19:35]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the suspended sentence yielded its own excrescence, the social worker [19:35]
Mats_cd03 in some places in asia, notably china, its popular for the moneyed to pay others to sit their duration of a prison sentence [19:36]
mircea_popescu which had a weak footing but meanwhile anchored itself in family care through the mediation of pseudo-healthcare (ie psychology) [19:36]
asciilifeform the town where the courthouse stood (see my recollections about juries previously) was a real laugh: [19:36]
Mats_cd03 id rob banks for funsies if that was possible [19:36]
asciilifeform every other door was a 'bondsman' (lending bail money) or a contractor which sold gps collars [19:36]
asciilifeform for 'suspended sentences' [19:36]
mircea_popescu all these being counted as part of that "thriving, market economy which made the us great" [19:37]
mircea_popescu except they're uneconomical and antimarket. [19:37]
asciilifeform Mats_cd03: among the chechens, etc. the clan picks a 'youngest son' or whatever to do the time in his brother's place [19:37]
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asciilifeform or, more generally, some designated luser with no better purpose at the moment. [19:37]
mircea_popescu the us has this institution too [19:38]
asciilifeform he'll dutifully confess and move in. [19:38]
mircea_popescu "designated driver" [19:38]
mircea_popescu the schmuck that doesn't drink or have fun so his friends can have sex they don't then have to account for. [19:38]
mircea_popescu or moreover... her. [19:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik 'designated drivers' only exist in ministry of health propaganda - the usual reality is that everyone is thoroughly picked, including the drivers [19:39]
asciilifeform *pickled [19:39]
mircea_popescu well i could argue the same re chechen practice :) [19:39]
asciilifeform said propaganda is riotously funny, when you drive by pub after pub with enormous parking lots [19:40]
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Mats_cd03 riotously funny in the sense that car accidents are amusing [20:00]
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surfcapmgmt Heavy volume on COG [20:03]
surfcapmgmt just resumed trading about an hour ago [20:04]
kakobrekla !t h cog [20:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 7D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03278706 / 0.08800000 (1020 shares, 33.44280011 BTC) [20:05]
kakobrekla a whole 7 btc. [20:05]
kakobrekla heavy shit. [20:05]
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surfcapmgmt mmm hmmm [20:05]
Apocalyptic haha kako [20:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.55013000 / 0.58130688 / 0.60809900 (80 shares, 46.50455064 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60393113 / 0.67470380 (734 shares, 443.28544940 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.6116147 / 0.69510000 (3166 shares, 1936.37213073 BTC) [20:07]
kakobrekla ;;gettrust surfcapmgmt [20:07]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user surfcapmgmt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [20:08]
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pankkake I believe it's "idiot deluxe" [20:09]
bounce -- contrast with that other mobile payment thing, where the registration works the other way around [20:09]
ozbot Mobile payments service to launch this month - Business News - Business - The Independent [20:09]
kakobrekla yeah pankkake it seems so [20:10]
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pLambert mircea_popescu: I just tried to post a comment on trilema, it says it only accepts comments from humans, what did I do wrong? [20:18]
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antephialtic tor exit node? [20:20]
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mircea_popescu either an old cached page or too quick post ? [20:22]
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mircea_popescu tor dun do anything. [20:24]
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dignork pLambert, there is a capcha on a page, did you solve it? [20:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 7D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03290881 / 0.08800000 (1044 shares, 34.35680017 BTC) [20:27]
pLambert hmm, didn't see a captcha [20:27]
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benkay surfcapmgmt: welcome to -assets. [20:29]
pLambert I don't see any captcha, oh well, I guess you will never see my deeply insightful comment :( [20:29]
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jurov pLambert: just reload and retry [20:31]
pLambert basically, I was saying I look forward to a Hillary/M Obama vs Rand Paul/Justin Amash debate. in many more words [20:31]
pLambert reloaded, still don't see any captcha [20:31]
jurov i don't remember any captcha, just retrying usually works [20:32]
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the20year2 amash would be a great choice [20:34]
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antephialtic hahaha. if you think rand paul (if he ever gets nominated, which is unlikely but not entirely impossible) would nominate amash you are deluded. [20:36]
benkay clinton + warren? [20:37]
antephialtic nah, clinton won't want someone who will make her look conservative in comparison [20:37]
pLambert amash will just barely be old enough, born in 1980 [20:37]
mircea_popescu pLambert there's no captcha tho [20:37]
pLambert then why does it think i am inhuman? [20:38]
mircea_popescu just try again, but make sure you use a fresh copy of a page, and count to 5 before submitting [20:38]
pLambert meh, I am over it now [20:38]
antephialtic rand paul's VP would be a safe establishment pick. Something like paul ryan. Maybe even John McCain [20:38]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema antispam [20:38]
gribble Noiembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Orice cuplu functional… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Mai 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [20:38]
mircea_popescu meh [20:38]
pLambert blech, I hate McCain [20:38]
antephialtic hillary would pick a white dude. someone from the midwest or south. [20:39]
mircea_popescu [20:39]
ozbot Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:39]
pLambert I don't think Paul is going to pick a VP who has a record of calling him a "wacko bird" [20:39]
mircea_popescu there, it's explained how it works.. [20:39]
antephialtic well I don't think paul will get nominated so it doesn't matter. I like paul as much as the next guy, but the big money republicans don't like him even if the tea party libertarian set does [20:40]
mircea_popescu and the republican vote is going to be split no matter what. the old reps have no actual incentive to submit to the tea party, even if the party ends with them. the tea party has zero incentive to "work through the system" [20:40]
mircea_popescu so anyone the democrats propose gets it in 2016. [20:40]
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antephialtic but: democrats are looking like they might get crushed in the midterms [20:40]
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mircea_popescu congress and presidency, different things. [20:40]
mircea_popescu theres going to be a landslide dem president with a 2/3+ teaparty majority house and senate [20:41]
mircea_popescu then congress gets written out of politics and merriment ensues. [20:41]
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antephialtic yes, but important for future of US. more divided government = more unproductive petty politics, more kicking the big problems down the road, less stability, US bonds get downgraded again, yadda yadda yadda [20:42]
mircea_popescu nah, that's how it worked till now. [20:42]
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mircea_popescu things are going to come to a head tho, much like venezuela's internal debate. [20:42]
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mircea_popescu pLambert see that time it worked. [20:43]
mircea_popescu you probably wrote your thing in a notepad then pasted it in and submitted. that's 90% of what makes legitimate folks get called inhuman. [20:44]
pLambert hmm, not sure why it didn't work before, I had follwed a link out of the -asset logs, would that affect anything? [20:44]
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pLambert no notepad, I just typed into the comment field [20:44]
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pLambert The other thing I wanted to mention is when you villify old women, that should be directed at selfish haggy types and not selfless grandmotherly types. [20:45]
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pLambert but you can probably find a nice dichotomy in any group using selfish/selfless criterion [20:47]
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mircea_popescu pLambert odd. nah link shouldn't have affected nuttin [21:00]
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mircea_popescu btw kakobrekla would you consider changing log link structure from to or something and adding a xml sitemap for google so that it index it all anbd you dont have to implement asearch button ? [21:01]
mircea_popescu pLambert not that many grandmothers in politics which was the general context [21:01]
mircea_popescu not sure the dichotomy is altruism either. [21:02]
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pLambert right, your point is correct, people who end up as nice grandmothers spend to much time raising children to rise in politics [21:02]
mircea_popescu macbeth, the prototype, is not discussable in those terms for instance [21:03]
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pLambert macbeth is the prototype of what? [21:03]
mircea_popescu the haggly political woman. [21:03]
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pLambert I don't follow? [21:04]
mircea_popescu you seen the play ? [21:04]
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mike_c google indexes the logs. i search them all the time [21:07]
pLambert yes, I saw MacBeth, but it was a long time ago [21:07]
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mircea_popescu so take the lady out sometime, it's still a great play. [21:08]
mike_c ;;google neobee [21:08]
gribble NEXT: 24-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 21-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 25-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: [21:08]
mircea_popescu fuck me google much progressed. i stand corrected. [21:08]
pankkake sitemaps allow for perfect and fast indexing though [21:08]
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pLambert Just went out last weekend to see Les Mis, all local talent, was much better singing than the hollywood movie last year. [21:09]
pankkake too bad I can't change my avatar [21:09]
pLambert anyway, how does MacBeth relate to anything? [21:09]
mircea_popescu well how am i going to explain that if you don't know the play ;/ [21:10]
asciilifeform pankkake: is that... turdmeister? [21:10]
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pankkake yeah [21:10]
pLambert I remember the general plot [21:10]
mircea_popescu so tell it to me [21:10]
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bounce what, you're modeling your NWO on shakespeare plays without knowing the plot? [21:11]
pLambert iirc, macbeth tries to take over scotland, everybody dies in the end [21:12]
mircea_popescu yea, i'm hoping assets makes the cliffnotes for me o.O [21:12]
mircea_popescu pLambert well that's not much. [21:12]
mircea_popescu "Stop up th’ access and passage to remorse," [21:12]
mircea_popescu that stuff. [21:12]
Urushiol any word on HIF dividends / earnings yet? If I understand correctly, it should be more than 3 months' worth. [21:12]
pLambert wikipedia "Consumed by ambition and spurred to action by his wife, Macbeth murders King Duncan and takes the throne for himself. He is then wracked with guilt and paranoia, and he soon becomes a tyrannical ruler as he is forced to commit more and more murders to protect himself from enmity and suspicion. The bloodbath and consequent civil war swiftly take Macbeth and Lady Macbeth into the realms of arrogance, madness, and dea [21:13]
mircea_popescu Urushiol we're awaiting it with bated breath [21:13]
mike_c asciilifeform: i believe i've heard you talk about this before, but i can't remember the specifics. If I generated and published say 20,000 adddresses out of a single wallet do you think I am leaking anything that would significantly hurt the security of that wallet? [21:13]
mircea_popescu pLambert not the guy. his wife. [21:13]
pLambert basically what I said [21:13]
benkay` mike_c: what is a wallet? [21:13]
mircea_popescu lady macbeth dood, we're discussing women in politics here. [21:13]
asciilifeform mike_c: if you do this, you will live or die by your RNG. [21:13]
pLambert his wife starts the murders, pushes him into action [21:13]
mike_c sorry, a specific set of keys [21:13]
asciilifeform mike_c: see the android btc wallet incident. [21:13]
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pLambert so, she is trying to take scotland for her family, therefore selfish and fit for politics rather than grandmothering, so my point stands [21:14]
mike_c i remember that, i'll dig it up. thanks. [21:14]
asciilifeform incidentally [21:14]
asciilifeform all public-key crypto lives and dies by rng [21:14]
asciilifeform not only, as commonly supposed, for key gen [21:14]
pLambert HIF guy said report should be out by 10th [21:14]
mircea_popescu pLambert or conversely, she is trying to promote her hubby, so selfless and your point fails. [21:14]
asciilifeform but for signature nonces [21:14]
mircea_popescu kinda what happens when you try to measure things by orthogonal measures. [21:14]
mircea_popescu "how thick is a width of a meter ?" "dude dunno, as thick as the wind blowing may make it seem. otherwise, it's wide" [21:15]
Urushiol mircea_popescu: what I find particularly surprising is that it wasn't calculated by the community already, given volume is available through the API [21:15]
mircea_popescu Urushiol "community" is made out of law specialists not math specialists :D [21:15]
asciilifeform and not only signature, but small bits of encryption as well. anyone who doesn't grasp this mustn't wait, but open a textbook and work out what happens if you rsa a small bit of whatever, without padding. [21:15]
mircea_popescu ;;google are you the brain specialist [21:15]
gribble Monty Python - Gumby Brain Specialist - YouTube: ; Gumby brain specialist - YouTube: ; Monty Python - Brain Surgery - YouTube: [21:15]
mike_c bitbet has certainly published a lot of their addresses by now. hopefully they have good RNG! [21:16]
pLambert asciilifeform: I don't think you can just take volume, who knows how much they will take out for expenses? [21:16]
asciilifeform volume? [21:16]
asciilifeform i think i missed something [21:16]
Urushiol mircea_popescu: it would require coding specialists mostly, which we have already. just get volume for each fund in that time frame and apply HIF's percentage returns. I haven't finished my Python quite yet, otherwise I would attack it. [21:16]
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Urushiol pLambert: it will give you a max though [21:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13533 @ 0.00096365 = 13.0411 BTC [+] {2} [21:18]
Urushiol and take their projected expenses as assumptions [21:18]
pLambert yes, right. so what is that amount? [21:18]
Urushiol I believe it's in the prospectus, no? It was months ago that I read it last so I can't recall for certain. [21:19]
pLambert oops, should have responded to Urushol, not asciilifeform [21:19]
Urushiol that's what I thought you meant. [21:19]
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mircea_popescu i think two unrelated convos became cojoined at the hip here [21:20]
pLambert isn't that how irc is supposed to work? [21:21]
Urushiol purple, I think [21:21]
Urushiol :) [21:21]
mircea_popescu irc i dunno, but science often does. [21:22]
asciilifeform wtf is a 'coding specialist' - like a programmer, but moar fashion? [21:26]
asciilifeform (perhaps i ought to know better than to ask such questions...) [21:27]
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asciilifeform feels a little like the '90s american fashion of calling janitor 'building engineer' [21:27]
mircea_popescu was a hooker called a "slime technician" ? [21:28]
asciilifeform i've actually seen people describe employing 'programmers' and 'coders' both [21:28]
asciilifeform the latter usually referring to a 'human compiler' [21:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0075 = 0.315 BTC [+] [21:29]
asciilifeform a human compiler is a kind of wretch, usually overseas, who is nominally paid to turn 'human' language spec into a program. [21:29]
asciilifeform the results, for those who have not witnessed this personally, are usually exactly what one would expect. [21:30]
mircea_popescu sounds a lot like elance or w/e [21:30]
asciilifeform int add1(int x) {if (x == 1) 2 .... [21:31]
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asciilifeform this is one of those things where i can't help but think that anyone who pays for it - deserves what he gets [21:32]
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kakobrekla [21:44]
ozbot Bitstamp going paranoid about ID verification [21:44]
kakobrekla lel, moar of this. [21:44]
asciilifeform 'submit a high resolution image of yourself holding your ID' << anyone else reminded of '419 baiting' ? [21:45]
asciilifeform or, for that matter, arsecoin [21:45]
mircea_popescu yeah lol [21:46]
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Namworld I know about Bitstamp verifications... it's lulzy. They ask for more dox than the government itself or banks. [21:49]
Namworld Soon they'll ask for blood samples. [21:49]
mircea_popescu there's an excellent point about fraud management made by an actual competent person long ago [21:51]
mircea_popescu [21:51]
ozbot Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [21:51]
mircea_popescu obviously clueless kids left to reproduce irl the emperor of flies circus going on in their head wouldn't know about it. [21:51]
Namworld Too much fraud management = zero actual customers, all fraudsters with fake docs? [21:51]
mircea_popescu uyp [21:52]
bounce "congress gets written out of politics" how? [21:52]
mircea_popescu Legitimate Customers [21:52]
mircea_popescu You can’t stop all fraud. Some will get through your defenses. Currency exchange profit margins are too narrow to absorb much of it, so you need a healthy legitimate customer base across whom you can distribute those costs. As chargebacks come in, it’s tempting to focus entirely on eliminating fraud. Unfortunately, that focus inconveniences legitimate customers so much that they go elsewhere. [21:52]
mircea_popescu bounce presidential order. [21:52]
bounce "coding specialist" is someone who knows about "line coding" and such. more or less what the w3c tried (and inevitably failed) to conveniently can with xml [21:53]
bounce you know, discering a signal, framing, all that jazz [21:53]
bounce presidential order kicking out congress? that's going to be some riot. [21:57]
mircea_popescu hardly. [21:58]
mircea_popescu congress lost most legislative power already, gradually. [21:58]
benkay``` most likely it'll start small with some executive order overriding some congressional mandate. [21:58]
benkay``` wow how'd i get to three tacks [21:58]
benkay``` internet is wacky today [21:58]
mircea_popescu recently they tried to enforce the power of the purse and were made a mockery of for it. [21:58]
mircea_popescu not even the point that it failed, their attempt, but congressional dignity proved an empty word. [21:58]
mircea_popescu that was a test, it was failed, congress is going away. [21:58]
mircea_popescu the only way out was toi have obama hung for the crows to peck at for two months, on capitol hill. [21:59]
mircea_popescu admittedly a bar too high. [21:59]
pLambert bounce: already the president makes executive orders to do whatever he wants [22:00]
bounce not too much on the promises made though [22:00]
bounce that deliberate then? [22:00]
pLambert promises? you mean the things Obama said he would do, and then didn't do even though he clearly has the authority to do them already? [22:01]
bounce I s'pose nobody cared since he got re-elected regardless. oh well. [22:03]
mircea_popescu but seriously, i tell you you can't have a new car and you close down the fucking parks in response ? [22:04]
mircea_popescu that's it, you can't have electricity anymore either. [22:04]
mircea_popescu complete defunding of everything starting right now. [22:04]
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mircea_popescu no secret service, no airforce one, no white house. go check into an 8ball motel. [22:05]
mircea_popescu think it through. [22:05]
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* bounce apparently (well, generally ignoring the drama over there) haven't kept up enough to see that [22:06]
bounce s/ven/sn/ [22:07]
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mircea_popescu o yeah, which reminds me, how is ven, the revolutionary currency of the internet nefario discovered somewhere ? [22:09]
kakobrekla [22:11]
ozbot VEN / EUR (VEN/EUR) price chart, 10-days, Kraken [22:11]
Namworld Ah yes, this point about too much security/regulation is excellent. [22:12]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla aha! i wish i remembered what it was supposed to be trading for back in 2012 [22:13]
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dexx Apocalyptic: what's up with [22:14]
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kakobrekla kraken will trade you dead grandmother if the logo is nice. [22:15]
Apocalyptic dexx, why would I know ? [22:15]
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dexx isn't this your website? and nvm: it's back up for me now [22:15]
Apocalyptic it's not [22:16]
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mircea_popescu "Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing." [22:16]
mircea_popescu ah the guy's so good. [22:16]
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Duffer1 [22:18]
ozbot [WTS] 1981 DeLorean DMC-12 [22:18]
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pLambert "Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager." How much do you need to bet to get a bitbet accepted? [22:28]
nubbins` depends [22:28]
nubbins` what was your bet? [22:28]
benkay``` Mircea Popescu will be arrested and extradited to the US in 2014 [22:29]
benkay``` Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager. [22:29]
pankkake ahah [22:29]
benkay``` ^^ nubbins` [22:29]
pankkake first time I see such rejection [22:29]
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pankkake I like this bet [22:30]
nubbins` heh [22:30]
nubbins` pLambert "Consider submitting with substantial paid wager" is a common rejection reason. not sure if there's a cut-and-dry minimum, but i've seen bets with 0.0x btc on either side [22:31]
pLambert I thought the guys at bitcointalk who are so sure MP is going to get dragged across the ocean would like to put some money on it? [22:32]
TomServo haha, Pussy Riot publicly beaten on video by July 25, 2014 [22:32]
TomServo Didn't that actually happen? [22:32]
pLambert I don't think they allow bets about people getting hurt or killed? [22:32]
nubbins` TomServo yes [22:33]
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nubbins` bunch of cossacks whipped them with knotted ropes [22:33]
nubbins` pLambert ah, too true [22:33]
pankkake yeah but the tough bitcointalk guys don't bet [22:33]
mircea_popescu pLambert bitbet charges 1% of the pool, and puts .1 btc on the new bets. [22:34]
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nubbins` someone could just put 100btc on yes and then fly to russia and beat the shit out of them [22:34]
mircea_popescu thus if submitter places a 10btc bet he is in effect going "i'm not tryin' to mooch ya" [22:34]
mircea_popescu and there was some derpage about s.mpoe falling on the forum if i recall [22:35]
mircea_popescu turned out the guy's budget was maybe .1 or something like that. [22:35]
nubbins` pLambert: also, the btctalk crowd who would love to see MP extradited also probably would never send a single satoshi to bitbet, purely on principle [22:35]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah, it'd totally be the principle :p [22:35]
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nubbins` i'm being diplomatic ;D [22:35]
mircea_popescu reminds me of the principled 20somethings that are on a diet [22:36]
mircea_popescu the incidental that they can't afford food anyway notwithstanding [22:36]
nubbins` heh. [22:36]
mircea_popescu tis a matter of principle. [22:36]
pankkake it's not that they don't have the funds, I've offered very small bets. it's that they don't even believe themselves [22:36]
pLambert but it might be useful to bet on yes, cause who knows what will happen to mpex investments if mp gets arrested, sort of a hedge? [22:36]
mircea_popescu "mp arrested for the crime of being mean to forum dwellers and bureaucrats" [22:37]
mircea_popescu sounds like a ton of publicity. [22:37]
nubbins` pLambert expound plz [22:38]
mircea_popescu while he does i wanna pontificate on the following theme : [22:39]
pLambert well, say you have some shares of s.mpoe. If mp gets arrested, their price will go down, I think. so if you bet that mp will get arrested, it will offset the loss from your shares? [22:39]
mircea_popescu since about the 90s or so, basic us education has been filtering quite perversely : you get an a or a+ for succeeding at the task, usually an a or rarely a b "for effort" by delivering a credible simulacra of having tried, and an f or rarely a c for actually trying and failing. [22:39]
nubbins` well you're making some assumptions there [22:39]
nubbins` namely that bitbet would continue to function [22:39]
mircea_popescu this has resulted in a generationful of people who can do nothing but and nothing other than "convincingly" trying. [22:40]
pLambert heh, good point. I assume it will function without mp? [22:40]
nubbins` mircea_popescu the true horror of this situation won't be realized for another few decades [22:40]
mircea_popescu pLambert if one then why not the other as well ? [22:40]
nubbins` ^ [22:41]
nubbins` conversely, if not mpoe, why not bitbet? [22:41]
pLambert failling and shares dropping are not exactly the same [22:41]
mircea_popescu nubbins` indeed. i routinely meet 20somethings who have not actually tried ANYTHING the past decade. [22:41]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu trying things isn't required. i have a CS degree even though i only made two working programs during the course of my degree [22:41]
nubbins` had to teach myself, essentially from scratch [22:41]
pankkake two *working* programs? that's better than most [22:42]
mircea_popescu so in this sense, as far as the forum is concerned, having made that bet proposition is good enough. [22:42]
mircea_popescu even if the world laughs at them, they've... tried. [22:42]
jborkl mircea, to go along with your point - I send my kids to private school 6 and 4 years old. The 6 year old can do algebra, multiplication, read, write and knows some of the periodic table < public school peers are very far behind [22:42]
mircea_popescu i believe you. [22:42]
mircea_popescu where's this ? [22:42]
nubbins` all childs left behind [22:42]
mircea_popescu nubbins` exactly like venezuela, you knoiw ? "we've reduced inequality, everyone has the same amt of toilet paper now" [22:43]
nubbins` pLambert: so mp gets rendered, shows a DoJ logo. what now? [22:43]
jborkl Texas, the state has a robin hood theory [22:43]
jborkl to take from wealthy districts to prop up the poor [22:43]
nubbins` mircea_popescu "if you don't have enough toilet paper feel free to use the barrel of this rifle" [22:43]
mircea_popescu pops up. [22:43]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu stop stealing answers ;( [22:44]
mircea_popescu lmao! [22:44]
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nubbins` tbh seizing domains is such a non-problem [22:44]
mircea_popescu no but this is the beauty of it. bitbet is... well... public. [22:44]
mircea_popescu there's nothing to steal. [22:44]
nubbins` i mean, look at the pirate bay. most reviled website in history [22:45]
mircea_popescu redirect it all you want, tomorrow any one of you can host it just as well. [22:45]
nubbins` still standing 11 years later [22:45]
pankkake [22:46]
nubbins` ^^^ [22:46]
bounce it is a problem if, say, kansas or ohio judges order domains seized from overseas companies that do things perfectly legal there [22:46]
mircea_popescu did they updarte it ? [22:46]
mircea_popescu i recall that page was hilarious a decade ago [22:46]
pankkake I don't think there's new stuff [22:47]
nubbins` bounce: it's a .us domain, they can do what they want with it :P [22:47]
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pankkake TPB isn't such a high profile target anymore too [22:47]
nubbins` that said, who cares what TLD is used [22:47]
bounce (relatedly, peeps getting into a right tizzy for having their .ly domains rescinded because they're clearly against the local customs in .ly) [22:47]
nubbins` pankkake mostly because they realized they were trying to box the wind [22:47]
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nubbins` doesn't quite matter how good your left hook is, y'know? [22:47]
mircea_popescu pankkake what's strangest to my eyes, really, is that in 2004 the attitude of piratebay was directly obvious to the average net denizen. [22:48]
nubbins` ;;google .ly tld [22:48]
gribble .ly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; NIC.LY - Libya ccTLD...: ; ly Domains - International Domain Registration: [22:48]
bounce 'twas .com and .net, IIRC. those aren't supposed to be ".us", it was just that the registrar is conveniently a us company [22:48]
nubbins` libya! [22:48]
mircea_popescu today, the attitude of tardstalk is quite the opposite [22:48]
mircea_popescu what a coupla bad us presidents do to the world. [22:48]
pankkake maybe money is the root of all evil [22:48]
mircea_popescu either that or lazy stupidity. [22:48]
nubbins` nah [22:49]
nubbins` the root of money is the root of all evil [22:49]
bounce what's that say about the bunch that breathe the "follow the money" mantra and came up with AML? [22:49]
nubbins` might as well take it to brass tacks [22:49]
Mats_cd03 my dong is the root of all evil [22:50]
nubbins` Mats_cd03 is that because it's the size of a stack of dimes? [22:50]
pankkake nubbins`: yes, this as been tpb's strategy too: it DECENTRALIZED itself!!! [22:50]
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nubbins` ;;google jumpin jesus tonight [22:51]
gribble 'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts worldwide laughs ... - CBC: ; Canadian has a typical 'Irish mammy' reaction to her son getting ...: ; 'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts (1 more message) [22:51]
Mats_cd03 its also the same thickness [22:51]
nubbins` ^ apparently this has caused quite the international stir [22:51]
nubbins` if you wanna hear a thick newfoundland accent, that's as good a place as any to start [22:51]
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nubbins` MUDDER I'M STUCK [22:54]
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nubbins` ehhh [23:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00562121 = 0.1293 BTC [+] {3} [23:01]
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nubbins` not even a good one-off quip [23:01]
nubbins` let alone something that gets cummed out every time you quit irc [23:02]
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Mats_cd03 ur so dirty [23:03]
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nubbins` imagine the unfiltered version [23:05]
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Duffer1 Mircea Popescu i believe a Clinton/Warren ticket would be far more likely [23:13]
Duffer1 er mircea_popescu ^ [23:14]
mircea_popescu jack warrem ? which warren ? [23:17]
Duffer1 elizabeth [23:17]
mircea_popescu a hm [23:18]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0009616 = 8.0294 BTC [+] [23:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-] [23:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0599 = 0.1198 BTC [+] [23:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599999 = 0.18 BTC [+] [23:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0599999 = 0.3 BTC [+] [23:28]
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Mats_cd03 lol [23:34]
Mats_cd03 it would amuse me to see that [23:35]
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Mats_cd03 but unlikely [23:35]
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dexx unlimited bitcoin for everyone ;) (fixed btw now) [23:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050004 = 0.121 BTC [-] [23:40]
nubbins` heh, good find [23:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60799998 = 1.216 BTC [+] [23:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.608099 = 2.4324 BTC [+] [23:49]
Namworld [23:50]
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dexx ^ kinda disturbing [23:51]
Namworld Yes. But hilarious. [23:52]
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