Forum logs for 03 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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bounce	checkdavid is "everyone" now?	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	i'm being journalistic, stop hating.	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	do you want me to go practice my pistol skills on leah's range ?	[00:01]
Mats_cd03	sounds hot	[00:01]
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bounce	turns out "everyone" hates paparazzi. scientific fact.	[00:02]
CheckDavid	My friends criticize my likings in woman	[00:02]
CheckDavid	That's why I said it's style	[00:03]
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CheckDavid	*my	[00:03]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nice find	[00:03]
bounce	s/coce/coke/ and I didn't even notice. such a den of corruption.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid i nearly said "well fuck them", but then i checked myself.	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	so people who have been following asicminer a lot closer than me... how bad is it ?	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	missed dividends et all, whole thing coming unglued ?	[00:05]
thestringpuller	;;mine	[00:07]
gribble	Error: "mine" is not a valid command.	[00:07]
thestringpuller	;;generate	[00:08]
gribble	Error: "generate" is not a valid command.	[00:08]
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thestringpuller	;;gen	[00:08]
gribble	Error: "gen" is not a valid command.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	genrate dude.	[00:08]
thestringpuller	thank you mircea_popescu	[00:08]
thestringpuller	:P	[00:08]
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mircea_popescu	bounce waits for a couple of /good/ devs and assorted other techies to team up and find themselves /competent/ management to lord it over them. that'll be the day. <<< how the fuck do you think mpex works.	[00:09]
BingoBoingo	!t h am1	[00:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.57100010 / 0.57405722 / 0.61789884 (85 shares, 48.79486377 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60507272 / 0.67470380 (725 shares, 438.67772256 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.61177017 / 0.69510000 (3175 shares, 1942.37027936 BTC)	[00:10]
thestringpuller	time at work flies when mircea_popescu is online	[00:10]
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mircea_popescu	kik	[00:10]
thestringpuller	I thank you for making my work day during "busy work" from keeping me from going insane.	[00:10]
jurov	http://thebitcoinnews.co.uk/2014/04/02/prypto-group-limited-to-be-listed-on-bitcoinbourse-eu-from-april-15th-2014/	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/b4a37cb3a29bd98adea2e82c27fc171c/tumblr_mkm7tvzCix1rmcr76o1_500.jpg	[00:11]
jurov	IPO for scratch cards. Not impressed.	[00:11]
ozbot	Prypto Group Limited to be listed on BitcoinBourse.eu from April 15th, 2014. \| The Bitcoin News	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	have a coupla metro whores.	[00:11]
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moiety	CheckDavid: they bring the girls, i infiltrate -assets with cute :D	[00:11]
*	bounce can't afford mpex so no idea how it works	[00:12]
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mircea_popescu	(you can tell they're strippers by the back grill they sport there)	[00:12]
Mats_cd03	they need to spend more time in the gym	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	at their age ?	[00:12]
BCB	http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2014-04-02/	[00:13]
ozbot	Dilbert comic strip for 04/02/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	i think that makes 5 ?	[00:13]
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jurov	BCB, Trezor folks used this on facebook and wrote a comment "can't happen with Trezor"	[00:13]
moiety	there a fight going on outside somewhere :(	[00:13]
jurov	do tell about missing a point	[00:13]
CheckDavid	moiety: haha good job	[00:13]
moiety	there's*	[00:14]
moiety	sorry im like super distracted this pat few days	[00:14]
BCB	jurov: link?	[00:14]
punkman	moiety, http://25.media.tumblr.com/26c81247ed77ecf150566fe28c47af45/tumblr_mh9jtdJxi21rebih1o1_1280.jpg	[00:14]
bounce	bitcoinbourse is the "I SUE YOO" guy, no?	[00:14]
moiety	jurov: omg!! lololololol	[00:14]
moiety	jurovan* sorry i have no idea why i typed jurov	[00:15]
jurov	https://www.facebook.com/BitcoinTrezor?fref=ts	[00:15]
Mats_cd03	i drooled butt grease from bad pizza once	[00:15]
moiety	punkman -- im still doing it	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:15]
Mats_cd03	true story... ruined some shorts	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	moiety got a crush ?	[00:15]
moiety	lol i havent even talked to him for a few days lol	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 i think that's called olestra.	[00:15]
jurov	bounce, that's dotcoin	[00:16]
moiety	mybrain totally isnt in gear, sorry again punkman	[00:16]
Mats_cd03	it was a place called ciceros pizza thats in san jose ca	[00:16]
jurov	bounce, not sure if that's the guy you hace in mind	[00:16]
*	bounce has been reading too many things lately	[00:16]
Mats_cd03	cicero is an asshole, apparently	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	so kraken pretty much sunk post theyr 600 btc debacle did it.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	a well. live and fucking learn, when the girl tells you to stfu and fix things you stfu and fix things.	[00:17]
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mircea_popescu	o wait... the girl is no longer on the forum. inexplicably, all the rubes muchly relieved. d'oh.	[00:17]
bounce	of course. saves a lot of singtfu and fixing things.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic as far as i know, stamp's problems in our heads all trace to kakobrekla not likeing them, which was a year ago and he never really explained past "i met them and they're fucktarded".	[00:18]
bounce	the -assets rating agency in action	[00:19]
kakobrekla	go ahead and like them.	[00:19]
jurov	kako explained he has inside info about bitstamp being in mysql backed once a day or so	[00:19]
jurov	and about nejc being an asshole	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i ain't arguing, you speak their language.	[00:19]
*	bounce would concur with the mysql verdict	[00:19]
jborkl	mircea_popescu> so kraken pretty much sunk post theyr 600 btc debacle did it. ??	[00:19]
jborkl	they out	[00:19]
jborkl	?	[00:19]
kakobrekla	kako explained he has inside info about bitstamp being in mysql backed once a day or so < on the same server. only.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	jborkl apparently doing less volume on their exchange than i do buying stockings.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	the -assets rating agency in action << word.	[00:20]
Neil	More insane hashing power seems to have hit the network. With the price dropping precipitously there must be miners who are hurting.	[00:20]
Mats_cd03	good	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	Neil yeah. the ones not backed by governments.	[00:20]
jborkl	oh and now that -pr is banned, who is going to tell the 3 sock puppets they suck?	[00:21]
bounce	backups on the same server. oh dear. well, I suppose it /might/ guard against mysql inexplicably fscking up in some creative way or other	[00:21]
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mircea_popescu	jborkl the theory i heard was more like "well now that mpoe-pr is not there to walk all over their faces, kinda lost interest in the whole show"	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	apparently more poeople were tuning into tardstalk to check out the lady with a chainsaw at the special olympics	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	than for the actual special olympics.	[00:22]
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jborkl	good point	[00:22]
kakobrekla	and also, "he never really explained past " < - i did a lot of explaining around, just maybe not in your private window.	[00:22]
bounce	does give the test to the "been propping them up" hypothesis	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla was it in the log somewhere ?	[00:23]
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kakobrekla	forums, logs, emails, written in stone, you name it	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	cool lol.	[00:23]
Neil	6 blocks in 10 mins ffs	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	far as i'm concerned it's still "kako didn't like them"	[00:24]
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kakobrekla	well they dont know what they are doing	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	my brain actually works like this. once you become stupid i might start caring about the details of whart they did.	[00:24]
kakobrekla	i dunno why i should like them.	[00:24]
bounce	the brave new bitcoin world so needs code auditors, as well as financial auditors.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	but until then, whatever. too much stuff to remember anyway.	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	.d	[00:24]
ozbot	5.007 billion \| Next Diff in 503 blocks \| Estimated Change: 17.8722% in 2d 20h 48m 20s	[00:24]
kakobrekla	eh mp, question everything.	[00:25]
mike_c	it's all explained right here. http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=5	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla "why am i lazy ?"	[00:25]
kakobrekla	does this has something to do with your last line in pm?	[00:25]
kakobrekla	have	[00:25]
bounce	heck, not even code autitors so much as systems design auditors	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	no, that's different lazy.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	bounce let's not bounce ahead of ourselves by leaps and bounces.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	start by getting everyone to FUCKING REPORT BY STANDARD!	[00:26]
bounce	vewwy punny	[00:26]
kakobrekla	anyway i slept for an hour, been up all day, need a break. later	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	there's a standard, every fuckwit dimwit and captain foreskinhead out there thinks they know better.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	cheers.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	this one's for moiety : http://25.media.tumblr.com/80bc3ec4c57cfc2e146892d57b5e83a1/tumblr_mkm81qiJRT1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg	[00:27]
bounce	You are the unexpected inquisition and I claim my comfy chair, thanks.	[00:27]
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moiety	yay hollandish outings! nice windmill mircea_popescu :P	[00:29]
thestringpuller	;;google site:trilema.com airgap	[00:29]
gribble	How to airgap. A practical guide. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; Octombrie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[00:29]
moiety	this one is for punkman: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7082531328/hE69CD758/	[00:29]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: how much must we pay for a "production guide" ?	[00:30]
moiety	why do i live in scotland and not holland? seriously	[00:30]
bounce	because you don't like genever	[00:31]
punkman	this is for people who want to start an "exchange": http://i.imgur.com/5C8zhB5.jpg	[00:31]
moiety	bounce: i believe i would though	[00:32]
KRS-One	heh	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller a production guide ?	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	aww poor happy, has to wear freezer bag shoes now ;/	[00:37]
moiety	lol http://i.imgur.com/3CILnz4.jpg	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	cads: hey guys, where should I learn marketing? << for srsly.	[00:39]
moiety	ok i promise to refrain	[00:39]
cads	mircea_popescu: I have all the marketing acumen of an aspergers kid.	[00:40]
cads	note how the idea that I compile a list of companies that might need my services and cold call them was like this huge epiphany for me :)	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	it shows. but srsly, it's a pretty large topic.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	what are you doing even ? saas ?	[00:40]
cads	prototyping as a service	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	you don't coldcall something like that.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	you ask your previous custom to refer new custom.	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	"Hey, we're looking to expand, can you think of anyone who could use our services ?"	[00:41]
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ThickAsThieves	[ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 13019648 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 4.85	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	check that out, ThickAsThieves finally figured how to run a client for atc :D	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	not me	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	in #altcoin	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	they ar emaking atc bot stuffs	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	cool!	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	i'm kinda curious what happens should cads coldcall some random doods and then proceed to "get someone medium level on the phone and then explain something like"	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	should be a webcast. i'm sorry i said anytihing even.	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	referrals are best	[00:44]
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ThickAsThieves	if you wanna reach out, find the most appropriate venues	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	(not the phone)	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 what decent size budget when his entire line is like 20k a year ?	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	that's basically...steaks.	[00:44]
punkman	cads, you get my pm?	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves incidentally, best fun i ever had in boston was the day i decided ima coldcall small publishers for my book.	[00:45]
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mircea_popescu	turns out buncha eager shaved beavers work for low end publishing houses in 2000s boston. i ended up with many new friends.	[00:45]
cads	mircea_popescu: I'm thinking it'll be fun	[00:45]
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cads	oh hey, yeah	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	finding a book publisher isnt easy, so i can see phone calling being a method of you dont have connections	[00:46]
cads	I could always seduce the secretaries as I went along	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	cads only if you're the sort of type that enjoys failing in a humiliating manner	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	which you only actually comprehend months after the event.	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	finding a book PRINTER aint much easier	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i didn't phonecall. i inperson called.	[00:46]
cads	mircea_popescu: welcome to my life!	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	Google Apps is trying so hard to purge their grandfathered free users	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	and secretaries you don't seduce. they're always busy at work.	[00:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.06539228 = 0.9155 BTC [-] {3}	[00:48]
ThickAsThieves	in a couple weeks i'll surely have former clients calling me	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	5th wheel intern-ish girlies without clear responsibilities, which'd be the ones answering to a call like that, those you can seduce.	[00:48]
cads	really I know if we just go to a trade show and knock some people unconscious with our sturdy ass prototypes, we'll come away with at least people we can talk to without 99.999% failure	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	the rough equivalent being the it corp dudes that go to check out the babes at it conferences.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/13/booth-babes-dont-convert/	[00:48]
ozbot	Booth Babes Don’t Work \| TechCrunch	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	that guy rants about them.	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	course in typical nerd fashion he misrepresents what happened, but hey.	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	they should try booth whores	[00:49]
ThickAsThieves	might work better	[00:49]
cads	blah I'm going to read that article by extrapolating it from its title	[00:49]
cads	nice article, doesn't surprise me	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	that's because you equally don't have a clue :)	[00:50]
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cads	yeah my conference experience is limited to math conferences	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	most conferences are scams	[00:51]
cads	where 90% of the crowd would probably kill to have booth babes	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	so why not get some booth babes ?	[00:51]
ThickAsThieves	who will talk to them to hire them?	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	how hard can it fucking be, freakin campuses.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	o that. myeah.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	"you" can have a girl hang around the whole day for the cost of two beers, except not YOU.	[00:52]
cads	lol, maybe a student organized math conference with cute undegrad booth babes is in order	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	cads do this as a power play. it's what i'd do if i were somehow inexplicably interested in math academia.	[00:53]
cads	the AMA and university bodies and others that organize math conferences tend to be way to conservative to take that as anything other than a joke	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	get the hottest 12 chicks to boothbabe topless, only invite to present those professors who you owe favours to.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	kick out the dinosaurs, humiliatingly so.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	before you know it, you now control peer review in your field.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	basically, always and everywhere take THEM as the joke, see how long they last.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	not that hard rly.	[00:54]
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cads	I'd be known as that mathematician that hasn't done any actual math, but has a harem of booth babes and has pushed forward the field into the next millenium.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	sound familiar ? :D	[00:55]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: yea how would one use airgapping in production?	[00:55]
thestringpuller	would be a neat guide since I have yet to find a way to do it practically for something in production	[00:56]
cads	Other mathematicians that would publish with me would eventually measure themselves according to their Cads number.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller well that general question has been answered in the general as best it could on the post man.	[00:56]
mike_c	how can i airgap my web server?	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	to actually implement it you hire someone to do it you know ?	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	you're asking "so how do i build my house". well... hire an architect ?	[00:56]
cads	the cads number - the number of times you've come up with a math breakthrough while recieving fellatio from one of my booth babes	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	cads to quote diogenes, if only it were that easy.	[00:57]
thestringpuller	I'm more asking "how do I learn to build a house" don't say "stay in schoo"	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	well what would i say ;/	[00:57]
thestringpuller	:D	[00:57]
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cads	airgapping bothers me, but the way I'd use it is as a fully offline reference system	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	but the man doth have a point. i find it shocking that us pretend-academia will offer "women's studies" shit about that twerking girl, but there's no actual airgapping programme anywhere.	[00:59]
cads	systems goes online once in its life to acquire the required reference materials, and then gets all its wireless adaptors removed	[00:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0444 = 0.222 BTC [+]	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	cads that's airbandaided.	[00:59]
thestringpuller	how else would the college derp get laid without a women studies class?	[00:59]
bounce	"arrange things such that sensitive stuff is offline as much as possible"	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves:hourly from the get-go just doesnt work << it does work in some fields. lawyers are the typical usecase, but also many high-demand few specialist engineering fields. you pay the hourly rate to qualify yourself as an actual customer	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	rather than random schmoe bored online.	[01:00]
bounce	some jugging around with public key crypto goes a ways there	[01:00]
cads	mircea_popescu: I know there's a military handbook that describes design of airgapped systems (the red/black system design philosophy)	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	cads sure.	[01:00]
cads	such a traditional system might still use punch cards to transfer data from the black to the red system	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves:trying to "play" it to what you think the client will accept << what the fuck self-sabotaging second guessing bullshit is this, seriously! bejaysus.	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/cum-iti-negociezi-salariul/	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	this should be translated to english	[01:02]
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bounce	depends. if you do an automated transcription of ethernet frames to punch tape and back again, you don't really have an air gap. just like putting a wireless hop in the network to have an "air gap" doesn't really work.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	^	[01:03]
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bounce	ISTR the cacert people had a description up of how they did it: serial cable to the box with the signing key and a custom protocol that only understood signing requests and returned signed certificates, no other connection to anything whatsoever.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/	[01:04]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	there's no way this is right	[01:05]
bounce	that still depends on the front making intelligent decisions as to what to sign, but, you know...	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	the self-sabotaging of that nature probly is an american cultural thingy	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	customer always right, every service person is your bitch	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	stuff like that	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	yes hourly does indeed work out fine in higher-paying fields	[01:05]
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ThickAsThieves	but i do question why it is more accepted, other than people are more loose with their money	[01:06]
ThickAsThieves	even lawyers want a retainer anyway	[01:06]
ThickAsThieves	not THAT different	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	because you have to establish yourself to the provider, not the other way around.	[01:06]
cads	bounce: hum, I'd like to read that document	[01:06]
bounce	been years since I'd seen it. probably somewhere up at cacert.org	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	fast food chains compete for customers. rich people compete for seats at the hot club.	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	yes but ive never felt more cheesed for my hourly payout than with a lawyer	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	ever saw those queues in front of major clubs ?	[01:07]
cads	what I recall was that these punched cards were transfered over by humans, but I remember nothing of how they'd use that to prevent arbitrary content from entering the red system	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	my last one still hasnt sent an invoice of any kind, after many requests	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	but was quick to tell me the retainer was up	[01:07]
ThickAsThieves	and that i owed	[01:07]
cads	my source material is probably the wikipedia article on the military design document I mentioned earlier, instead of the actual document	[01:08]
ThickAsThieves	nigga wont show me	[01:08]
ThickAsThieves	cuz i know he's making it up	[01:08]
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ThickAsThieves	i wonder if he's reading this	[01:08]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[01:08]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves sue him.	[01:09]
benkay	make him present his derriere before your new lawyer	[01:09]
ThickAsThieves	i just might, would be nice to get the damn bill first...	[01:09]
mike_c	http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/ << i agree, but a lot of volatility right now. it could bounce below.	[01:09]
ThickAsThieves	google apps is fucking with me for real now	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	cads diametric you two should joint or several work out something i can ipo.	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	i already followed their instructions to activate the accounts the wanna shut down	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	mike_c considering how it bounced right off 500...	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	and now they say i havent done it yet	[01:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00094654 = 15.9965 BTC [+] {2}	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	another 25% seems quite outlandish in my head.	[01:10]
mike_c	yeah, i hope you are right (i am in on that bet).	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves prolly have to move it on punched paper acroiss airgap	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	meh, for tomorrow, for now, off to the rap show!	[01:11]
cads	bruce schneir described the airgapping "effort" he was using to research the NSA papers and write the articles reviewing them.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	cads you mean bnc connector ? or is there some diff ?	[01:12]
cads	which consisted of a brand new laptop that had never been connected to the internet, and a thumbdrive	[01:12]
cads	and... I'm hoping he really did something better than i'm thinking	[01:12]
bounce	that means something like linux or a *BSD is Right Out because... those come FROM the internet!!1!	[01:13]
moiety	22:47 and secretaries you don't seduce. they're always busy at work. << a good secretary can't be seduced. this is true. however, also means loyalty.	[01:14]
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cads	actually	[01:14]
cads	https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/air_gaps.html	[01:14]
ozbot	Schneier on Security: Air Gaps	[01:14]
cads	I'm being more pessimistic than necessary - his advice is actually about as decent as you can get	[01:14]
cads	for example use read only cdrs to dump data into the machine	[01:15]
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cads	I don't like that he suggests a usb key, because usb keys have been penetrated before	[01:15]
bounce	wipe it and format it on a linux machine	[01:16]
bounce	(or anything but a windows machine, really)	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-suspect-schneier-is-an-us-agent/ cads mdear.	[01:16]
ozbot	Why I suspect Schneier is an US agent. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:16]
cads	"Malware can silently write data to a USB stick, but it can't spin the CD-R up to 1000 rpm without your noticing. "	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	that thing is beyond ludicrous.	[01:16]
cads	haha, I suspect that too	[01:17]
bounce	well, the sentiment is sensible enough: minimise infection vectors, build in barriers and things that might tip you off	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	jurov "In this paper we will describe some of the shortcomings and suggest solution"	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	needs proofread.	[01:18]
bounce	the execution in the context of stupidly complex machinery a bit less so	[01:18]
jurov	mircea_popescu: ?	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	earlier link ou dropped from your hackathon thing ?	[01:18]
cads	mircea_popescu: but what prominent security expert is _not_ under reasonable suspicion of being a government agent?	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	plenty.	[01:19]
jurov	ah that	[01:19]
jurov	http://explo.yt/post/2014/02/26/Bruce-Schneier-passwords-fail my take on his other advice	[01:19]
ozbot	Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions	[01:19]
cads	yeah, I suddenly want to read some more criticisms	[01:20]
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cads	the suggestions he gives for airgaps would not protect against the kind of measures the NSA is claimed to be able to take	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	which is precisely why he makes the sort of cargo cult suggestions he does make.	[01:21]
cads	mircea_popescu: what are the odds you put on Snowden himself being a US agent?	[01:22]
bounce	wonder how hard it is to TEMPEST-proof a laptop. if a can of metallic paint to the inside of the shell is enough that should be a nice enough niche earner	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	nil.	[01:22]
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mircea_popescu	bounce or make a nice al case :p	[01:23]
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cads	I think that the capabilities being divulged are too over the top and being divulged in a way engineered to make the vast majority of people accept them.	[01:23]
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mircea_popescu	there's a difference between snowden and "what the guardian represents".	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	were you asking about the latter ?	[01:24]
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cads	snowden's revalations have continued to detail a number of really extensive cyber capabilities that the NSA has	[01:25]
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cads	including stuff that the media has spun as "the ability to store all the transfers on the internet for a whole 4 day review period"	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	did you read the actual leaks	[01:26]
cads	no	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	or 2nd and 3rd hand commentary by us propaganda sources?	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	then what are you talking about.	[01:26]
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cads	I mean, you're familiar that QUANTUM is allegedly a massive attack and risk mitigation suite with a huge encyclopedia of attacks and expert systems for deploying them. And that other aspects of the tailored access unit have allegedly done such things as pushing backdoors into cryptoprotocols.	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	the latter claim is uncontroversial.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	kinda the reason why the rsa corp is going the way of cisco.	[01:32]
cads	the way it's being covered just seems suspicios - the technologies are made to sound super duper scary, almost unimaginable, and nobody I've read is writing any serious counterplans	[01:33]
cads	and now, even with the revelations, normal people are even _less_ likely to want to imagine their capabilities and how to fight them	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	the counterplan is quite obvious : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/447044579049873408	[01:34]
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BingoBoingo	I wonder if reutereEmily is going to cover the NeoBee fiasco	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo she kinda did just disappear huh	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	i guess fell down the reading rabbit hole	[01:36]
cads	so one hypothesis is that there's a body of people that had this information made up to some extent, at the very least glorifying the capabilities and making them seem starkly unopposeable.	[01:36]
cads	Nowhere do we see documents on what the NSA percieved to be a serious threat!	[01:37]
cads	what scares the NSA?	[01:37]
cads	or the people behind it?	[01:37]
cads	it's not in the documents	[01:37]
bounce	that with tweets maxing at 160 chars and irc messages at a little more, wouldn't it make sense for ozbot to special-case twitter.com/.../status/... and include the actual tweet?	[01:37]
BingoBoingo	Possibly. She has yet to tweet this month, and seemed rather interested in the topic. This reading thing is a hell of a drug	[01:37]
cads	maybe the agency doesn't know itself well enough to imagine it has _any_ fears	[01:37]
cads	but more likely those documents simply didn't make it into the package snowden has revealed	[01:38]
Duffer1	cads what scares the NSA? >> any entity that could threaten its funding	[01:38]
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cads	I think it's reasonable that they would have made study of factors that could legitimately destabilize them, and come up with ways to counter.	[01:38]
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cads	and where are those studies?	[01:38]
cads	I would imagine those would be the first to be released if snowden had them, and was hardcore	[01:39]
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cads	after building the case that they're fucking everyone, he would have been like "but this. This is what they really don't want you to see"	[01:39]
Duffer1	strategies to counter congress likely weren't as available as the rest of snowden's material	[01:39]
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cads	that's highly likely, and it would be nice if someone acknowledged the documents snowden didn't manage to get	[01:40]
mike_c	countering congress is easy. ask j edgar	[01:40]
Duffer1	though given clappers' behavior it's not like we even need snowden to know such material exists	[01:41]
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moiety	BingoBoingo: can we play chess tomorrow or soon? preferrably after you have had a ton of vodka	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	bounce this is a good point actually.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	cads snowden was a contractor. he didn't have access to the strategic bundle.	[01:42]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Possibly	[01:42]
moiety	can anyone explain to me how a self-confessed "indoor cat" like snowden ended up with a model gf? im suspicious of this	[01:43]
moiety	possibly is good enough for me :D	[01:43]
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turbo_ac100	I have a different user ID on the keyserver and eregistered here. Matters?	[01:45]
cads	mircea_popescu: also I know you don't like schneier, but for a while he had his "NSA Exploit of the day" that was a near daily analysis of a new exploit from his researches of the leaked documents - here he apparently concludes that with basically saying, I've shown you all these exploits. Now we need to come up with ways to defend against them because not only the NSA will use them, but also criminals and other countries	[01:47]
asciilifeform	cads: are you familiar with the 'two NSAs' hypothesis?	[01:48]
bounce	"criminals and other countries"	[01:48]
cads	more recently he covered something called MYSTIC, which is a system that can "record 100% of a nation's phone calls"	[01:49]
asciilifeform	phone should be regarded as something like plaintext email.	[01:50]
cads	it's kinda like he's playing some kind of theatre, dazzling and shocking us with these capabilities, then here and there dropping a paragraph about how we should do something against them	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	moiety i never saw his gf. pix ?	[01:50]
cads	never suggesting anything against it	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 not particularly.	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	cads wait, you doubting 100% of all plaintext phonecalls are being recorded ?	[01:51]
cads	no, not at all	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	i dun follow your argument then	[01:51]
bounce	too bad cryptophones et al are still too spendy	[01:52]
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moiety	mircea_popescu: http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Lindsay-mills-cupcakes.jpg	[01:52]
turbo_ac100	kakobrekla: make my day :)!	[01:52]
cads	mircea_popescu: if he's an agent why talk about these capabilities? To brag. And more importantly to mislead and misinform.	[01:53]
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moiety	http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/v8Ia1C08LqY/hqdefault.jpg	[01:53]
moiety	now explain how he met her?!	[01:53]
moiety	http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8520081840_cabe3ee1f4_z.jpg?from=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8510/8520081840_cabe3ee1f4_z.jpg	[01:54]
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cads	when he covers a larger new outlet's story on the revelation of a new capability, he's always pointing out the technical ways in which the capabilities go further than the article explains	[01:54]
bounce	journos are not great at this tech thing	[01:55]
cads	so possibly he's doing us a favor by explaining the capabilities in more complete way	[01:56]
cads	even if he was an agent he could be reporting faithfully	[01:56]
cads	especially if someone else knows it's cooked up documents anyways	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	moiety she's not THAT hot is she ?	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	bounce maybe with s.nsa...	[01:57]
cads	everyone knows they're recording the phone calls, now everyone believes that they can only keep the phone calls for a month, that the program to do it is called MYSTIC, and that it hasn't been used against the US	[01:57]
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cads	two of those three are probably false :D	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	moiety anyway, smart chicks dig famous underdogs.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	cads he's just a random has-been talking about the topic of the moment, imo.	[01:58]
moiety	mircea_popescu: no but still, how did they meet? and she did know about what e was going to do, they left their home in may.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	not much more not much less.	[01:58]
bounce	one of the reasons I bought a nokia e52 was because there was cryptophone source available that was supposed to work on that thing	[01:58]
bounce	then reality hit.	[01:58]
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mircea_popescu	es ?	[01:59]
skinnkavaj	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=554902.0	[01:59]
ozbot	Why coinmarketcap.com got destroyed	[01:59]
moiety	edward snowden	[01:59]
wutwhutwut	http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/	[01:59]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before June	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	skinnkavaj more like "because they fucked up a bitbet."	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	"then got banned by bitbet, then curtains."	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	moiety i imagine cupcake mantits met snowden the same way you met BingoBoingo	[02:00]
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skinnkavaj	Stop trolling	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	not to imply anything about either your bra filling abilities or his bar hopping skills.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	skinnkavaj i'm not trolling yo.	[02:00]
moiety	i dont even know how i ended up on that site. but im glad i met BingoBoingo	[02:00]
cads	anyways mircea_popescu I'm glad my argument for heavily doctored NSA papers is not strong. I saw similar arguments claiming the pentagon papers were exactly what the higher ups wanted released, nothing more, nothing less, and those arguments seem cranky	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	first line of damage control.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	not so far off from claiming neobee floundered because mpex.	[02:03]
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bounce	it's a valid concern, though. spy shops must be masters of misinformation.	[02:04]
cads	"obviously the corporate leaks were not done by the CEO" "But he's gotten great publicity!" "he's going to spend his life in jail" "yeah but he'll be a mover/shaker in the real world via his letters" "he hanged himself last night" "yeah but this was all of his plan so that now he can laugh at us and manipulate the stock market from Hell"	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	nsa is not a spy shop tho.	[02:05]
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mircea_popescu	the us made the mistaken strategic decision to move from humint to sigint at the end of the cold war.	[02:05]
bounce	at the same time I find it hard to see what this leak could possibly achieve being misinformation. what would they steer us away from and how massive would that have to be?	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	the us humint was never any good, even at the height of the cold war they were more of a laughingstoc operationally,	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	rthe only difference betweenthem and the french being that the french had no money, either.	[02:06]
bounce	they're not a human spy shop, no. they do deal in information and so also in misinformation.	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	so basically think fat kid that's allowed in the sikrit fraternity because he lets everyone borrow the stuff his rich parents buy him	[02:06]
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mircea_popescu	anyway : meanwhile things have deteriorated, and the us "spyshop" doesn't even count. it's in there in the 3rld world, between congo and indonesia or something	[02:07]
bounce	that more or less defines the us int'l relations, spyish or otherwise	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	i guess.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	generally diplomacy by and large goes the way of spyshop-y.	[02:07]
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cads	is it really hard to believe that they'd reveal some version of their capabilities knowing that fear and uncertainty would actually legitimize those practices?	[02:09]
bounce	I forget whose documentary it was where some cia operative went "well we just have to step into all these messes you lot (==all the world) keep on being in" -- meaning it seriously and conveniently turning a blind eye to the glaring fact it's the us, more specifically the cia, that's been busy causing the messes in the first place	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	cads this sort of thinking is fed by watching movies and faping on reddit.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	on the actual ground, the us has serious problems hiring people who don't spend most of their time wondering if "deep down" theyt're really women or not.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	shit bullet as asciilifeform;d say.	[02:10]
cads	mircea_popescu: touche	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	also, sargent is not allowed to beat recruits	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea how you imagine someone with the capability of running an actual spyshop could be lured to work for the us	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	when there's so many so very much better offers o nthe table.	[02:11]
bounce	the us fan club named nato and the inner "five eyes" circle keeps on fapping on all that wonderful computer-y stuff nsa and gchq must shirley have	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	you know, brain surgeon ain't likely to work for the cockroach infested hospital. because he prefers working with people he respects,	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	and who respect themselves enough not to live in the cockroach trap.	[02:12]
moiety	lol shit bullet is a new one on me	[02:12]
bounce	so who's got good or at least respectable humint going on these days?	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	china russia israel korea brazil more or less in order	[02:14]
bounce	not a european country among them. huh.	[02:16]
mike_c	um, which korea?	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	bounce watch the influence spheres move as a result.	[02:16]
midnightmagic	mike_c MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu MisterE_ mixdio_	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	mike_c the 2nd best one :p	[02:16]
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cads	south?	[02:16]
cazalla	north korea is best korea	[02:16]
cads	their emperor is a God!	[02:16]
mike_c	north korea isn't good at anything except extorting money from the us.	[02:17]
bounce	not sure if it's a cause or an effect, but the shifting is happening, yes	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	and inventing hairdos	[02:17]
cads	and their economy is so productive.	[02:17]
mike_c	and applying makeup to their soldiers	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you seen that pic ?	[02:17]
bounce	didn't they run their own usd presses?	[02:17]
mike_c	yeah :)	[02:17]
cads	lol	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/hair-the-musical/ epic fucking shit.	[02:18]
ozbot	Hair, the musical pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:18]
mike_c	their faces would glow in the dark	[02:18]
asciilifeform	the interesting thing is that nsa-as-we-know-it, but with a pill against modern crypto hidden in an 'indiana jones'-style vault, would scarcely be distinguishable from what we can now see	[02:20]
asciilifeform	see winston churchill and the demolition of coventry.	[02:20]
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asciilifeform	it's a pill that would be kept in reserve for some unspecified 'dire times' that never come - as nukes are	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and the average cunt with a hidden angler fish right under the flesh would be also indistinguishable from the average cunt.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	because you can only really use it once.	[02:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00094718 = 2.4627 BTC [+]	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	there's a romaina guy that did extensive "research" on this topic, his name was lucian blaga	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	one of his lines is meanwhile common cultural cliche in romanian, "sa nu strivim corola the minuni a lumii"	[02:22]
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mircea_popescu	something like "let us not dispell the world's corolla of wonder"	[02:22]
asciilifeform	lol	[02:23]
asciilifeform	which topic? cunt cum angler-fish?	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	it's mostly used derrisively to bother anticultural and antiintellectual lines	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	(who aren't likely to get the reference or have read the guy's work)	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	no, he was a philosopher, theory of knowledge.	[02:23]
cads	asciilifeform: is that the "two NSAs hypothesis"?	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	1956 nobel prize nominee etc	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	(communists protested the nomination)	[02:24]
asciilifeform	cads: the two-nsa hypothesis is that the americans have a stable of folks with brains squirreled away somewhere	[02:24]
asciilifeform	it's mostly a product of my diseased imagination, but has some grounding in soviet history	[02:24]
cads	... err, "squirreled away"?	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually, is there anything in russian by the guy ?	[02:25]
asciilifeform	nsa writes crapware for winblows, 'meta-nsa' then would do something interesting.	[02:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: rezun (pseudonym suvorov) and his histories of gru, which he ran away from	[02:25]
cads	this would be the "strategic level" that mircea_popescu alluded to	[02:25]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i mean by lucian blaga	[02:26]
asciilifeform	not that i know of	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	i can't conveniently search for the shit, no good kbd	[02:26]
cads	ie, we just saw leaks from the software development department	[02:26]
cads	we didn't see leaks from the operations and strategy department	[02:26]
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asciilifeform	cads: likewise no leaks from the math farms.	[02:27]
cads	right!	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	there's a german Peter Sragher version which is pretty decent. but otherwise the guy seems an incredibly well kept secret. funny how that works.	[02:27]
asciilifeform	these people claim (not entirely implausible) to be the largest employer of math phd types in the usa	[02:27]
asciilifeform	what, if anything, they have to show for it, is another matter	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	well, academia is hte largest, but ohter than that as a single entity, i believe it.	[02:27]
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cads	all those mathematicians and they're still a laughingstock to mircea_popescu	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	http://www.amazon.co.uk/Die-luziferische-Erkenntnis-Lucian-Blaga/dp/3643504055	[02:28]
asciilifeform	personally i've no evidence in favour or against the 'they've got the pill and are sitting on it' hypothesis	[02:29]
cads	I seriously doubt either of the koreas have higher technical capalities	[02:29]
ozbot	Die luziferische Erkenntnis: Amazon.co.uk: Lucian Blaga, Rainer Schubert: Books	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	cads understand that a spyshop is not math kids.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	if you were a party organiser and all you had to show me were math wallflowers i'd equally point and laugh at you.	[02:29]
turbo_ac100	;;later tell kakobrekla im turbo_ac100 on otc now.	[02:29]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:29]
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mircea_popescu	technical capabilities are not the question.	[02:29]
cads	free as the north one is to grant the humint operators the latitude needed to implement every single tactic from their wet dreams	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	zee germanz had much better "technical capabilities" than their intellectual, strategic and ultimately human capabilities.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	what do you think sunk hitler, technological inferiority ? puhleaze.	[02:30]
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mircea_popescu	cads that's nonsense, the north korea is much less free than the average. in fact, about as unfree as the us.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	if you actually bother looking at the facts, the two regimes are scarcely different.	[02:30]
cads	haha, all I know about what sunk the germans I learned from a fictional account of breaking the Enigma machine	[02:31]
cads	ie, fiction - apparently we were dycyphering everything	[02:31]
cads	but using it in a way such that they could not deduce that we were decyphering everything	[02:31]
bounce	the germans had some good cryptologists too. funny how you never hear about them.	[02:31]
cads	maybe that happened during part of it	[02:31]
cads	yeah	[02:31]
cads	I can't imagine we didn't enjoy the exact same treatment	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	bounce you know how wikipedia-history based on press-narratives works.	[02:32]
cads	haha, the book I refer to was neal stephenson's cryptonomicon	[02:32]
cads	soooo	[02:32]
cads	I'm not even /claiming/ any kind of historical knowledge :)	[02:32]
asciilifeform	anyone who had the misfortune of attending u.s. schools is in for a little mindfuck - the evidence that sk (at the behest of its puppeteer across the ocean) started the korean war is, imho, convincing.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	well i wasn't talking of you strictly :[	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	:p*	[02:32]
cads	usually I'm less clueless than that but I'll at least not argue based on it :)	[02:33]
bounce	esp. going on the end they also put a lot of faith in "wonder weapons", "victory weapons", and such. bit of a parallel with the US, that	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	bounce dreaming is the last refuge of the defeated. you know who else did it ?	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	the paleologoi. christ himself, you see, was going to come lift the siege.	[02:33]
asciilifeform	i'll take the liberty of translating the russian expression for these - 'wonderwaffles'	[02:33]
asciilifeform	('wunderwaffe' original)	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	waffe doesn't mean waffle lmao	[02:34]
asciilifeform	naturally.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	Der Wafflen SS!	[02:34]
asciilifeform	it's a derisive poke	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	god help you if you bring any outside syrups	[02:34]
bounce	you know, it's not even so much wikipedia as some good old fashioned propaganda that put bletchley park on such a socket	[02:34]
asciilifeform	'вундервафля'	[02:35]
bounce	could be something to do with the shameful treatment of turing, too, though. (including the recent "rehabilitation" thing)	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	bounce i'd say it's uncontroversial that they did a lot of very good work. the problem with the propapress -> wikipedia -> reddit machine oif nonthink is that it flattens alternatives	[02:35]
cads	bounce: yeah, now I wonder about the enemy's opposing cryptoparks	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	very totalitarian system. soon enouhg ALL THERE IS is X topic.	[02:35]
bounce	they did do a lot of good work, but they certainly weren't the only ones	[02:36]
cads	bounce: and whether they had attacks against our techs	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[02:36]
asciilifeform	https://www.google.com/search?q=вундервафля&source=lnms&tbm=isch	[02:36]
cads	I'm sure they did but I've heard nary a one	[02:36]
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bounce	paleologoi doesn't light a bulb nor produces comprehensible search results. colour me uninformed.	[02:37]
cads	dat moment when you realize you suddenly need to know a lot more about what was going in and around some historical event.	[02:38]
cads	bounce: I think that was his point	[02:38]
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asciilifeform	handbook that describes design of airgapped systems (the red/black system design philosophy) << read the crap. red/black has nothing to do with airgaps, for the most part.	[02:49]
asciilifeform	it is mainly about separating wiring for 'red' (plaintext that must not leave) and 'black' ciphertext that can go outside the walls	[02:49]
asciilifeform	incl. power supplies	[02:49]
asciilifeform	everyone's seen the photos of the general sitting next to two keyboards, two monitors, etc.	[02:50]
asciilifeform	but this is not mandatory - there are plenty of gadgets with 'red' and 'black' connectors on one panel	[02:50]
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asciilifeform	(trivial example: anything that enciphers/deciphers)	[02:50]
asciilifeform	now, these gadgets are blessed by a priest, sprinkled with holy water before deployment, etc.	[02:52]
asciilifeform	whether this has anything to do with practical security is a puzzle for students of u.s. bureaucracy.	[02:52]
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asciilifeform	usb keys have been penetrated before << this refers to various experiments where you re-flash the microcontroller inside a usb drive, to do various useful things.	[02:53]
asciilifeform	i've tried this personally - it works. (you need a drive for which either docs or some reverse-engineerable flash diddler from the factory are available.)	[02:54]
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bounce	not just that. there's been cases where the gold key image had some virus or other, causing $largenum of usb keys to ship that way from factory	[02:54]
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mike_c	no reason cardano wouldn't be susceptible to that is there?	[02:54]
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asciilifeform	and then there's the winblows-specific crap, which i regard as uninteresting:	[02:55]
asciilifeform	http://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/plug-and-prey-malicious-usb-devices	[02:55]
ozbot	Plug and Prey: Malicious USB Devices	[02:55]
asciilifeform	mike_c: cardano emulates a usb drive, when connected to pc.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	it's not actually reflashable is it ?	[02:55]
asciilifeform	not from usb.	[02:56]
asciilifeform	but it is worth pointing out that many, if not most, usb gadgets - are.	[02:56]
asciilifeform	incidentally, this is one of the reasons it took me so long to find an appropriate micro for cardano	[02:56]
bounce	do cheap usb keys do any wear leveling, like ssds do?	[02:57]
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asciilifeform	most of the available ones are designed to be reflashed via usb	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[02:57]
asciilifeform	bounce: they do.	[02:57]
bounce	the keys I have here are all well before the large leaps around the time of the barefoot controller. perhaps should replace a few. then again, I'd get inferior flash.	[02:58]
asciilifeform	generally, the newer the 'flash', the more threadbare the actual eeprom cells	[02:59]
asciilifeform	in the sense that a recent 'ssd' would barely last a few thousand write cycles without leveling.	[02:59]
bounce	right. so ideally would want a new controller with old chips	[02:59]
asciilifeform	this subject has been beaten to death in engineering literature	[02:59]
bounce	dunno. 40 nm slc or something.	[03:00]
bounce	(notice how the industry counts: single. multi. triple.)	[03:00]
asciilifeform	re: usb: it is important to remember that using winblows is a strictly voluntary surrender.	[03:01]
bounce	the volunteers tend to not see it that way	[03:01]
asciilifeform	anyone who does, and uses an external drive that faithfully stores bits (no micro diddling) is vulnerable to a world of fun	[03:01]
asciilifeform	e.g. icon parser overflows, etc.	[03:01]
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asciilifeform	cardano uses a micro-sd card for storage, and assumes that said card was built by the devil	[03:02]
asciilifeform	so the card only sees crypted blocks.	[03:02]
asciilifeform	and never a key	[03:02]
asciilifeform	(lives on its own bus, too. because basic literacy.)	[03:03]
bounce	huh, since today ze wifi developed a habit of cutting all live connections every hour or so. possibly the isp did an "upgrade", they pulled that before, with similar effects. oh the joys of CPEs, even brand name issue ("cisco" here)	[03:04]
asciilifeform	bounce: you're using a router supplied by other people ?!	[03:04]
bounce	I'm not (directly) paying for the connection either	[03:05]
asciilifeform	there are dumb isps where i live, that want you to use their router. most of them are easily dealt with (MAC spoof)	[03:05]
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bounce	were it up to me I'd separate out the docsis3 part into a standalone thingy and do the rest elsewhere.	[03:06]
asciilifeform	buy a generic docsis modem, reflash the addr, problem solved.	[03:07]
bounce	can't do that in this situation though. I suppose I could at least separate out ze wifi with an extra box.	[03:08]
bounce	the important stuff is all on wire that that doesn't seem to suffer	[03:08]
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bounce	lot of docsis2 kit floating around fer cheapers, docsis3 not so much	[03:12]
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mike_c	for you 3d printing nerds:	[03:31]
mike_c	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WWHpWgaq7I	[03:31]
ozbot	Taste Testing 3D-Printed Food - YouTube	[03:31]
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moiety	i heard 3d printing	[03:34]
mike_c	3d print your candy	[03:35]
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moiety	mike_c: thats epic, thanks for shairing... i would make a million of the rainbow cube thingys	[03:38]
mike_c	interlocking candy is pretty cool	[03:38]
moiety	only <$5k!	[03:39]
moiety	o.o	[03:39]
moiety	though, thats epic personalised presents for the rest of your days	[03:40]
moiety	i wonder if it could do interlocking tablet	[03:41]
MisterE	orning	[03:45]
MisterE	morning	[03:45]
MisterE	;;ticker --market huobi	[03:46]
gribble	Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'bitmynt', 'btsp', 'btcavg', 'krk', 'btcde', 'btce', 'bfx'] or 'all'	[03:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0449 = 0.1796 BTC [+]	[03:46]
MisterE	;;ticker --market all	[03:46]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 427.5, vol: 36070.62603398 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 419.159, vol: 32637.1552 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 426.41, vol: 29119.54721647 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 434.45, vol: 188.43956285 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 398.397078, vol: 9760.74860000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 440.01, vol: 4.2822138 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 468.112001377, vol: 194.25015683 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[03:46]
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moiety	morning MisterE :)	[03:51]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[03:55]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 428.41, Best ask: 429.32, Bid-ask spread: 0.91000, Last trade: 429.33, 24 hour volume: 36275.95162166, 24 hour low: 425.53, 24 hour high: 494.98, 24 hour vwap: 455.536355556	[03:55]
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mircea_popescu	urgently need moar drama to prop up exchange rate	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	and lulz	[03:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.056 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2}	[03:56]
MisterE	lel	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	NeoBee branches full of AIDs needles?	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	moar like bitpay steps in to rescue coinbase which steps in to rescue kraken which steps in to rescue neobee which steps in to rescue i forget what	[03:57]
cazalla	imagine explaining this one when you're older http://i.imgur.com/ZcCxcwC.png	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	cazalla im not so sure there exist any tattoo on any twentysomething that could be explained by a 50 something	[03:58]
cazalla	neobeo stepped in to rescue weex remember	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	o right	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	because teh ceo had personal funds there.	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	very good way to run corps.	[04:01]
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Duffer1	wait waaht	[04:08]
Duffer1	first lawl tattoo	[04:09]
Duffer1	second someone had money in weex?	[04:09]
Duffer1	nm why am i surprised	[04:09]
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moiety	omg my eyes burn at thattattoo mircea_popescu	[04:17]
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moiety	ffs.. i had to look, and yes someone has done it. http://futurefashionstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Pallas-Cat-Riding-a-Fox-15-Top-Cat-Tattoo.jpg	[04:22]
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moiety	asciilifeform: i have a manul i cant read! its in russian i think	[04:25]
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asciilifeform	moiety: ?	[04:42]
moiety	asciilifeform: this one http://i.imgur.com/5tUUa.jpg	[04:42]
asciilifeform	moiety: 'Pet the cat.' under: 'Pet the cat, bitch'	[04:43]
dignork	moiety, I had this as wallpaper on my desktop pc :)	[04:43]
moiety	lolol thank you very much asciilifeform!	[04:43]
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moiety	dignork: heres mine http://i.imgur.com/8RGgUEd.png :D	[04:44]
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dignork	moiety, neat, but no text. p.s. windows?	[04:45]
moiety	dignork: i rotate my manuls, some are unlabelled. and i would prefer a non-microshaft machine, but priorities just now	[04:46]
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asciilifeform	moiety: http://messybeast.com/genetics/hyb-lynx-bobcat.htm	[04:47]
moiety	asciilifeform: thats incredible. its really interesting how they are all a bit different. I'm espcieally surprised at the ocelot hybrid. (and the fact theres such a thing as a cryptozoologist)	[04:51]
moiety	"bobelots" lol	[04:51]
dignork	moiety, http://megademotivator.ru/uploads/posts/images/vot-on-111-glazhenyj-manul_1.jpg - "already petted"	[04:53]
moiety	lololol ^ [still embarrased i thought he was really that size D:]	[04:54]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: That one might be, "glandular disorder"	[04:57]
moiety	lolol BingoBoingo "he's just big boned!"	[04:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [-]	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	The late colonel http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/31/tech/social-media/apparently-this-matters-rip-colonel-meow/	[04:59]
moiety	asciilifeform: i didn't know they had a name for this either http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_cat [Alien Big Cats]	[05:00]
moiety	BingoBoingo: is he just famous for looking grumpy too?	[05:01]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: That's a different one	[05:01]
moiety	i know grumpy cat but this one looks rather sour too... what did he do?	[05:01]
moiety	ah.. "proud, plotting and evil, as though he might actually murder a small human just for sport."	[05:02]
moiety	I didn't know you had a cat BingoBoingo! :P	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	moiety: I don't	[05:02]
moiety	just kidding, you need to get a corgi	[05:03]
BingoBoingo	Eh	[05:03]
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cazalla	moiety: i know about one of those phantom cats (blue mountains panther), we were always told it broke free when a cage overturned from a circus travelling up the mountain	[05:13]
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moiety	cazalla: ever seen it? i wonder how many of these phantom cats were secret exotic pets that got loose	[05:15]
cazalla	moiety: nope and i don't know anyone that does, the story changes over time though - where the circus caravan overturned etc	[05:16]
moiety	cazalla: that's one thing that can be said for our nessie, she doesn't ever move lol	[05:18]
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jayk	oh me oh my	[05:21]
jayk	love that country pie	[05:21]
jayk	!dirtypic	[05:21]
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BingoBoingo	.bait	[05:27]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5gib2usBi1rx9omho1_500.jpg	[05:27]
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KRS-One	no moar bait =(	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: But bait is your favorite	[05:35]
KRS-One	yeah..must fix ozbot..i knew something was going wrong toward the end. He was spitting out links to 70's and black and white porn.	[05:37]
KRS-One	They didn't shave in the 70's..our poor parents had sub par pron indeed. We have it so much better these days.	[05:37]
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moiety	whenever i write anything, i just sound sarcastic as fuck D:	[05:57]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[14:20]
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bounce	http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-exchange-platform-solution-093200699.html	[14:34]
ozbot	Bitcoin And Cryptocurrency Exchange Platform Solution For Operators Launched by PFSOFT - Yahoo Finan	[14:34]
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mircea_popescu	they want money for it ?	[14:41]
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bounce	it doesn't say they're giving it away. looks like yahoo was a bit late in picking up this press release.	[14:46]
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BingoBoingo	This was a thoroughly underwhelming storm for these awfully inconsiderate sirens to roused me from bed so.	[14:49]
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mircea_popescu	lol you got weather sirens ?	[15:03]
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VanCleef	hey mp	[15:06]
VanCleef	any new companies being ipo'd on mpex this year?	[15:06]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/obama-clinton-or-the-end-of-the-republic/	[15:09]
ozbot	Obama-Clinton, or the end of the republic. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	VanCleef none so far.	[15:09]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, goes with the area's propensity for tornadoes	[15:12]
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mircea_popescu	oh that far up north ? didn't know.	[15:19]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[15:20]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 436.18, Best ask: 437.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 437.0, 24 hour volume: 42403.99452722, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 490.56, 24 hour vwap: 444.403658178	[15:20]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, I'm much closer to st louis than chicago. Right about the same latitude as this airport http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Storms-cause-damage-at-Lambert-Airport-minor-injuries-reported-120523519.html	[15:21]
BingoBoingo	http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Severe-weather-warnings-issued-for-St-Louis-area-253710611.html	[15:22]
ozbot	Storms prompt tornado warnings, cause damage in St. Louis area \|	[15:22]
BingoBoingo	This morning's thing that couldn't quite keep it together long enough to make it here intact	[15:23]
chetty	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-02/venezuelas-maduro-explains-why-its-rich-are-revolting-and-us-responsible	[15:23]
ozbot	In A NYT Op-Ed, Venezuela's Maduro Explains Why It's The Rich That Are Revolting \| Zero Hedge	[15:23]
BingoBoingo	The rich, the air, who is revolting next today?	[15:24]
VanCleef	gay mafia?	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo oh i c	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	well it's zeroclue, so.	[15:25]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Eight years ago yesterday a classmate at the time got to see their roof flipped off of their apartment and discarded on the golf course.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	anyway, nice bit, it signals the switch of the us from reagan-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world to obama-esque "promoter of democracy" in the world.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	the difference between the two democracies aptly described by the differences between the two berlins, on either side of the wall.	[15:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0584 = 0.292 BTC [+]	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo and didn't even have to buy the lsd...	[15:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0439 = 0.1317 BTC [-]	[15:28]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nah, springtime here and LSD would be too much.	[15:29]
BingoBoingo	Here's a particularly interesting storm from when I was in Carbondale for Grad school http://www.spc.noaa.gov/misc/AbtDerechos/casepages/may82009page.htm	[15:29]
BingoBoingo	"The city of Carbondale was nearly impassable because of fallen trees and debris, and 34 properties were deemed total losses. The campus of Southern Illinois University suffered extensive damage, with nearly 100 windows blown out of residence halls. An unofficial gust to 106 mph was recorded on the roof of the Carbondale airport."	[15:30]
jadne	rawr	[15:32]
BingoBoingo	The weather service report neglects to mention how many properties were total losses before the storm.	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	ajaja that venezuelan piece is quite the thing.	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	"we have the lowest inequality in the region [everyone is poor now]"	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	"Democracy (in the terminology and reality of socialists) seems to be the path of long lines of people waiting, clutching a government issued piece of paper, entitling them to a ration of food, water, health care, gasoline...and of course...toilet paper, not confiscated already for government officials delicate bottoms."	[15:34]
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BingoBoingo	Why forums can't work: "Since 1998, the movement founded by Hugo Chávez has won more than a dozen presidential, parliamentary and local elections through an electoral process that former American President Jimmy Carter has called “the best in the world.” Recently, the United Socialist Party received an overwhelming mandate in mayoral elections in December 2013, winning 255 out of 337 municipalities."	[15:35]
BingoBoingo	Plato was right!	[15:35]
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BingoBoingo	More BitcoinBourse: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/your-company-shares-on-bitcoin-bourse.293679/	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	so glbse group 3 is well represented ?	[15:42]
BingoBoingo	Well, CryptoStocks 2.0	[15:43]
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BingoBoingo	I dunno that they even seem to put in the effort in developing chumptronics to fall into the GLBSE/BTC-TC/Buttfunder camp	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	my own counting scheme is 1. glbse ; 2. btctc, bitfunder, havelock ; 3. bitcoinbourse etc	[15:45]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	o right, cause the kumala thing existed all along huh ?	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	no, you have a point.	[15:45]
ThickAsThieves	mp down with the hags! my only real experience with hags is on nonprofit boards as clients	[15:45]
ThickAsThieves	such wretches	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves innit ?	[15:45]
BingoBoingo	Yeah, Cryptostocks is old, but I guess Crytostocks was the first 3rd gen chumpotron of this sort	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	i'm personally only quoting the italians, as all old women i know are actually pretty great	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	well not all old women aare hags	[15:46]
BingoBoingo	The third gen advance is being so overtly scammy and obtuse to any outside diligence the things might continue indefinitely	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	but many on nonprofit boards are, in my experience at least	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway, medieval/renaissance italian literature hates the cateogry like no other.	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	by comparison, niggers were popular in the southern us pre and post civil war.	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	i think an environment does temper a hag	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	they are definitely bitter about something	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	probly long forgotten	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	Well that popularity has largely been supplanted by tractors and pickup trucks	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	wait people now hate tractors ?	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	maybe they are alpha males trapped in a woman's body	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	and systemically dismantled over the years	[15:48]
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mircea_popescu	maybe that's the punishment for being an asshole.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	you're reborn as a woman and get to live forever.	[15:48]
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ThickAsThieves	hehe	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	life is heaven, life is hell	[15:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well tractors are now popular in the way coloreds used to be popular. They are useful implements, but a pain to maintain.	[15:49]
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mircea_popescu	they were kinda my favourite toys as a little boy...	[15:49]
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ThickAsThieves	humoursly enough, my favorites were lambos	[15:50]
ThickAsThieves	yellow ones	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[15:50]
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mircea_popescu	omfg i just had the evilest thought. suppose you have a bad dog like this one : http://i.imgur.com/5C8zhB5.jpg	[15:50]
BingoBoingo	Maybe Goat's next lambo will be the original model	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	suppose you add large-ish suction cups as part of the bottoms of the casts	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	so he can now... climb walls	[15:50]
ThickAsThieves	get off the dope!	[15:51]
BingoBoingo	Where is moiety for this dog talk	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	dude it's good stuff.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	dogbombardment	[15:51]
BingoBoingo	Might be a decent source of entropy	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	fill all the lights with bacon...	[15:52]
moiety	someone say dog?	[15:53]
BingoBoingo	Or cheese. Cheese makes dogs gassy for greater lulz	[15:53]
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moiety	mircea_popescu: how is that an evil thought??? spider-dog FTW!	[15:53]
moiety	imagine the sounds it would make tooo	[15:54]
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moiety	was goat's lambo actually real btw or a trollstory	[15:54]
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mircea_popescu	just like all the rest of goat's stuff. if you're the sort of person that believes things some guy claims, it was real.	[15:55]
moiety	didn't think so	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	if not, you can join the line. it started back in 2012, when he was going to prove he had a mining farm.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	anyminute now.	[15:55]
BingoBoingo	His forum is... interesting	[15:56]
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moiety	i thought .. hmm right then at the 21 y/o thai wife	[15:56]
moiety	ok so ... who has a dog we can attach suction cups to?	[15:56]
moiety	spider-cats? i have two	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	if anyone is old enough to remember the picostocks / 100blabla scam ? the one that briefly took on buzzdave after his basicminer scamstint, before the girl drove him out ?	[15:57]
BingoBoingo	I remember it a bit.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	that one was pretty much the same thing, guy claiming he's rich and he has bought X miners, then that thing went scam	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	but the rich guy somehow hadn't lost anything, and immediately bought just as much of Y thing.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	this is the typical way imagined fortunes work, and it belies their virtuality. the guy wasn't actually invested, but merely pretended to be invested.	[15:58]
BingoBoingo	Dave's still something http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/meet-the-manic-miner-who-wants-to-mint-10-of-all-new-bitcoins/	[15:58]
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mircea_popescu	the actuality of the failure of the purported investment does nothing to alleviate the causes of the pretense, and so the pretense is simply rehashed.	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	re-making the claim costs about as much as it cost originally.	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	same with goat. he was in here explaining how great future silver has,	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	then silver went to shit, but that's ok, cause he was really invested in... whatever went up.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	retroactively.	[15:59]
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BingoBoingo	Who the fuck though wears a down jacket in a datacenter?	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo for completitude's sake, the blatant set really should be cryptostocks / picostocks / bitcoinbourse	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	mp, do you think you'll ever invest in mining infrastructure? do you think governments will? what if china controls all our coinz?	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	and we have the equivalent "exchanges", icbit, bitfinex etc	[16:01]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i said government had, a couple months after they had started, a few months ago.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	i personally possibly not. it's just not one of my strenghts.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	i don't own power plants either ;/	[16:02]
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ThickAsThieves	which governments mine?	[16:02]
BingoBoingo	picostocks is prolly more a 2.5 gen chumpotron	[16:02]
ThickAsThieves	i feel like if the US is gonna tax it, they should support it	[16:02]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo they never were anything but blatant about it, weren't they ?	[16:03]
chetty	National Foundation for the bitcoin	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that type of concern is vastly alleviated by the btc cap. we've already mined more than half the total.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	nobody will control all the coins, too late for that.	[16:03]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: They were blatant, but the weren't quite as refined in their Haxxed, coins are gone as Cryptostocks/Vircurex was where some separation was imagined	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	(this incidentally is one major point proponents of alternative coins don't realise. one of the most important permanence factors in a coin is just how well distributed the coinbase is. this is not something later coins will readilyt achieve, bitcoin achieved by accident	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	i understand that much, but the mining ecosystem is its own thing	[16:04]
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mircea_popescu	or not really accident, more like the interplay of will and understanding, as limited by reality - i demonstrated this once in here using asciilifeform as my victim)	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves sure, but not nearly as threatening	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	for example, it's not absurd to think cex.io has more than 51% right now	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	and is hiding the "excess"	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	cex is a minor player.	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	you may not know this, but there's a major miner bezzle market going	[16:05]
BingoBoingo	It's also not absurd to imagine cex.io doesn't have any hardware	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	sorry by cex i mean ghash.io pool + the remainder	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	where people pay a slight premium to be allowed to pretend they mine by the actual miners.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	this works to everyone's benefit : the actual miners get to conceal their mining, which they want to do	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	i mean the remotely measurable stuff	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	the pretenders get to pretend like they matter, which ios really all they're interested in	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	not reported bs	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	nothing is remotely measurable.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	in mining.	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	so the pool reports are a lie?	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	the connection between mining and identity is aribtrary. purely.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	if i own 1petahash worth of mining gear, and we have a deal that you claim to own 1petahash worth of mining, we can work it so no third party can ever discover this.	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	i agree	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	but that goes to my point as much as yours	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	i want this, because a mine is a physical thing, it needs proxying.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	you want this because you're a goat	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	best of all worlds.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	no, it's more subtle than that ThickAsThieves	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	remember how i told tg2 to stfu yest, because it's not HIS job to tell the exchanges how to exchange ? it's not.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	in exactly the same way, it's not your job to "verify" that the miners don't 51%	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	i have him ignored	[16:09]
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mircea_popescu	its their own self interest that does.	[16:09]
BingoBoingo	!t h cog	[16:09]
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mircea_popescu	not in any sense within your control.	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	i dont want that job	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	well i use you generically.	[16:09]
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ThickAsThieves	are you sayng that if mining power centralized to an unhealthy degree, so what?	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	i am saying that a) it cannot happen and b) this irrespective of what you know or don't know.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	so in your terms "if you think it is or you think it isn't, so what ?"	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	i mean i hear you, but this isnt quite about what i think or know, so much as what "is"	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	there is no i.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	there is no is.*	[16:11]
ThickAsThieves	maybe tackle from another angle,	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[16:11]
ThickAsThieves	would you say the more miners the better?	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	up to a threshold. then it doesn't really matter	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	a dynamic threshold?	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	possibly, depending what context you working in	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	suppose most miners are indeed in china	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	and bitcoin is a huge thing	[16:12]
BingoBoingo	Interesting point: Discus Fish. Was a nothing six months ago. Now relayed to b.info 2 of the last six blocks first	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	and US blows up china	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	ha-ha.	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	i know i know	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	i can't discuss the impossible tho, because anything can be logically derived from nonsense.	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	i'm basically trying to make a case for mining diversification	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	but you're misstating it. if most of the world is china, then most of the world is going to be china	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	why get drunk on air?	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	and for institutions to support that mining	[16:13]
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mircea_popescu	institutions have no business existing.	[16:14]
asciilifeform	antephialtic: re: trezor: open the widget and let it speak for itself.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	the future is of individuals, who are going to be the institutions. like it or not.	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	i dunno	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	well sure, but this "institution" bs is gone.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	we're going back to caesar who is personally the emperor,	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	i can buy it, except for that all history and all things in the universe say otherwise	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	running an empire of generals and senators who ARE, they themselves personally, the respective institutions.	[16:15]
ThickAsThieves	things contract into form, and explose into chaos over and over	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	the "country of laws not men" failed much like the giant leap forward failed.	[16:15]
BingoBoingo	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/03/1240258/russian-glonass-down-for-12-hours	[16:15]
ozbot	Russian GLONASS Down For 12 Hours - Slashdot	[16:15]
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ThickAsThieves	are you saying the the age of the individual through tech can evade becoming to "centralized" and live between chaos and form?	[16:16]
ThickAsThieves	too*	[16:16]
BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2014_March_24#Mircea_Popescu	[16:16]
BingoBoingo	Wiki hates	[16:16]
ozbot	Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 March 24 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i suppose, depending on what exactly ou mean by that.	[16:16]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: that loltron is still going?!	[16:16]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Just closed.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo o, they beleeted it ? awww.	[16:17]
asciilifeform	last i checked, i was proclaimed a spammer and given a shitburial	[16:17]
truffles	orly	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well because you were, what, you dare contest teh wisdom that is ?	[16:17]
truffles	biggest spammer above u dood	[16:17]
truffles	^^^	[16:18]
truffles!@	added to ignore list.	[16:18]
BingoBoingo	Eh, give it a few years and then wikipedia will be subsumed by wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/archive/fail/wikipedia	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	i dunno about that. ideally we dun pour effort into dirt	[16:20]
BingoBoingo	I doubt effort will be needed	[16:20]
dirt_	dont effort into me	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	anyway, once public education becomes a thing of the past, we'll be back to having actual literacy and actual encyclopedists will write actual encyclopedias,	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	which will be actually worth reading	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	lolstate oops dirt_	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	:D	[16:21]
asciilifeform	truffles: small blog - http://www.loper-os.org	[16:21]
ThickAsThieves	what i mean is, by my own understanding so far, it seems all things centralize over time. in the context of human civilization this is seen quite obviously in, probably, all things observable	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	things centralise as they die.	[16:21]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: COunterexample - Yugoslavia	[16:22]
ThickAsThieves	it's a cycle, yes	[16:22]
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ThickAsThieves	and despite its elegance, i'm not sure bitcoin can avoid this	[16:22]
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ThickAsThieves	of course, the timeline for any given thing centralizing and dying is uknown	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	my own view of that cycle is something like : a cool thing makes inroads. the people doing the cool thing eventually die, their successors aim to maintain that greatness	[16:22]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Counterexample - Rawandan Hotelliers	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	so they resort to the fuel available : centralising	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	and then eventually that runs out too and that's that.	[16:22]
ThickAsThieves	i think there that danger must exist in bitcoin somewhere	[16:23]
asciilifeform	incidentally, i was proclaimed an unrepentant spammer, years ago, by no less a spam god than pg (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=91)	[16:23]
ThickAsThieves	if not mining, if not owning of majority coins, then somewhere else	[16:23]
ThickAsThieves	eventually	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	suppose you all get extradited to the us to stand trial as witnesses in civil proceedings against unrelated third parties, and are liek waterboarded for lyf. as the forum says will happen.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	the idiots left to replace you will decide well... the only way to maintain the glory of -assets that was	[16:23]
chetty	well perhaps none of us will live long enough to see the next centralization	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	is to all pretend we're mp	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	so the channel spends a while as a dump of copy/pasted material	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	and slightly re-written webcopy	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	and then eventually dies.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	that's the cycle.	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	maybe the centralization is bitcoin itself	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	load up on your ATCs!	[16:24]
asciilifeform	re: GLONASS: russia fucked the goat when it decided, in late '70s, to copy american CPUs so that warez can be used instead of investing in software dev.	[16:25]
asciilifeform	it remains to be seen whether it will recover from this mistake.	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dun think that was such a bad call myself.	[16:25]
asciilifeform	check out the latest 'Elbrus', for instance. x86, runs... xp.	[16:25]
ozbot	Looper (2012) - IMDb	[16:25]
asciilifeform	;;google siberian pipeline explosion	[16:26]
gribble	Siberian pipeline sabotage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhgorod pipeline ( 1983 ) - Wikipedia: ; Update: Agent Farewell and the Siberian Pipeline Explosion ...:	[16:26]
asciilifeform	did this teach anything? of course not.	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	i'd like to see a blog that consistently tackled the topics that make people like us most uncomfortable	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	mp: so make it	[16:26]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: But different things make us uncomfortable unequally	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the point of blogging is to explore exactly that.	[16:27]
asciilifeform	truffles: the cheap flick with the time machine mafia?	[16:27]
ThickAsThieves	bingo that's even better	[16:27]
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asciilifeform	truffles: not sure how it relates	[16:27]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: Just blag already	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if memory serves, the lessons learned were more about vetrov	[16:27]
ThickAsThieves	well, to be candid, and i love you guys, but right now our blog army is mostly preachers to the same choir	[16:28]
asciilifeform	truffles: 'lopers' were aliens from clifford simak's 'city'	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	so make it :D	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	the point was never to agree. the point was to disagree well.	[16:28]
VanCleef	i have feelings for u too	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	thinking out loud, so sorry if this sucks, but i was also wondering whether having scheduled debate/topic events in channel would be cool	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	it'd certainly relieve me of the need to be always here whenever you schmucks manage to get an idea or something :D	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	kinda invite outsiders to watch and see the channel flex	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	nah see, that's just moving the choir mentality down the road.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	fuck the outsiders.	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	they wanna participate they'd better find it.	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	it's not like we'd "market" it	[16:30]
asciilifeform	truffles: it was a minor subplot. they find these critters on jupiter, living in the gas, and decide to study them. by building a machine which transforms people into them, so they can see what their life is like. and then, for years, no one returns to be converted back. eventually one fellow comes back. and tells how much more fun it is than being human. end result: mankind vanishes, converted to lopers.	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	so much as post the schedule	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	or such	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/8af209a669c2530419926ed6f84527a6/tumblr_mk7vm9TzcU1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	this, actually, i propose as quite an illustrative 10k words summary of -assets	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	aren't the girls on the left just as hot as the one on the right ?	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	sure. and more numerous to boot.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	however, they are perfectly useless, and will not matter.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	she on the right matters. they on the left don't even exist.	[16:31]
antephialtic	mircea_popescu: w.r.t. to owning the hashpower, it is clear that the most effective way to launder the proceeds of some crime through bitcoin is to purchase mining hardware with the dirty cash	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	The found and CEO of BitPay, Tony Gallippi, commented: “The launch of our new brand and logo aligns with our open-source culture."	[16:32]
antephialtic	in return for "clean coins"	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic or purchase mining power.	[16:32]
VanCleef	tony seems really dodgy	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	i've met him, he's hard to read	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	he's the only brain left in the bitcoin scamfoundation troop.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	for as long as he can put up with the imbeciles, at any rate.	[16:33]
VanCleef	did he have a nice smell?	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	he seems kind	[16:33]
antephialtic	VanCleef: BitPay is doing some good stuff. They are the only company that actually invests in the protocol itself	[16:33]
VanCleef	bitpay is the paypal of bitcoin reality	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	with a hint of nervousness	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	because	[16:33]
asciilifeform	why does the protocol need 'investment' ?	[16:33]
BingoBoingo	I dunno how I feel about Bitpay promoting some node.js BBQ stuff they's been pimping	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	that's why	[16:33]
BingoBoingo	Seems Intersango like	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic nah, not only and not even notable.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	conformal is much more "only" and definitely more notable.	[16:34]
VanCleef	its just my humble opinion, i dont trust bitpay	[16:34]
antephialtic	Not the node.js stuff, that is a gimmick to get more shitty stack-overflow copy/pasting devs building crappy webapps	[16:34]
punkman	in an alternate universe, we have node.ps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS	[16:34]
antephialtic	BitPay pays Jeff Garzik's salary	[16:34]
antephialtic	for him to work on bitcoin-core fulltime	[16:34]
VanCleef	yeh and Jeff Garzik is a snitch	[16:34]
VanCleef	i dont trust him either	[16:34]
BingoBoingo	antephialtic: You know TradeFortress was a hugbox node.js fan	[16:34]
ThickAsThieves	i'm just floating whims	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	so what of it ? conformal pays its devs the salary to work on bitcoin-core full time.	[16:35]
ThickAsThieves	not trying to start a revolution	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	let me underscore that the core devs of bitcoin are at conformal not at the scam foundation.	[16:35]
antephialtic	name one miner mining off of btcd	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[16:35]
BingoBoingo	Actual miners are the least knowable thing in BTC	[16:35]
antephialtic	look at the commit log, they fix chain-splitting bugs constantly	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	yeah, when they're not hardforking the chain	[16:36]
antephialtic	mircea_popescu: as a grotesque consequence of the sad state of the bitcoin-core codebase, bitcoin-core is unreplaceable	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	you really don't want to go into utility. so far the pretend-core devs are a liability overall.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	that nonsense has no currency here.	[16:36]
ThickAsThieves	reddit doesnt seem to notice that every China-is-doomgloom post is by the same guy	[16:36]
BingoBoingo	truffles: There's always only been one topic here	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	i know, the circlejerk that is the pretend-core likes to convice themselves they're needed because they're stupid.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	that's not how tech works.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	not since 1800s at least.	[16:37]
antephialtic	mircea_popescu: I respect you. But I don't see you committing patches and fixing bugs. It's dirty work, but somebody has to do it.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	dirty work does not become notable by virtue of being dirty.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	;;google "there's some lovely filth down here"	[16:37]
gribble	Oh! There is some lovely filth down here - YouTube: ; Monty Python Holy Grail : Autonomous Collective - YouTube: ; Monty Python and the Holy Grail:	[16:37]
antephialtic	yes, but it has utility.	[16:37]
VanCleef	its good that bitcoin is centralised to a few core devs	[16:38]
asciilifeform	antephialtic: what genuine bug has been patched since satoshi left ?	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	that's a case by case basis. in their case, it does not.	[16:38]
BingoBoingo	truffles: The topic is and has always been everything. It is unchanging	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic in point of fact nobody sane uses their releases, most bitcoin is on .6 at the latest	[16:38]
antephialtic	asciilifeform: chain fork that happened	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	in this sense, if they went home today, or if they went home in 2013, it'd have made no difference	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	this is the definition of not useful.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: chain fork that happened << it didn't "happen". mike hearn manufactured it.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	the rest of them enabled it.	[16:39]
antephialtic	I disagree, P2SH is actually a big improvement in security by making multisig not a huge bitch to use	[16:39]
asciilifeform	i remember this. and thought that other people did, too.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic you're sliding the conversation all over the place.	[16:39]
antephialtic	well, my overall point (which you disagree with me on) is that the core devs provide value to all bitcoin users.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	indeed, i fully disagree with that point.	[16:40]
BingoBoingo	I dunno that easy ECDSA multisig is a feature and not a "feature"	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	overall, they're a slight liability so far, and the trend is negative	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	they'll be a major liability this time next year, at the rate they're going.	[16:40]
asciilifeform	the core devs remind me of vagrants who pour water on cars at stoplights and then demand money for the 'wash.'	[16:40]
ThickAsThieves	i concur, i feel like they trailblazing in the dark toward a cliff	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	actually that's exactly it. vagrants with dirty rags at ny stop lights.	[16:40]
VanCleef	lol perfect description ascii	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	"they're useful", i nthe sense of mostly hungry.	[16:41]
ThickAsThieves	thats not to say that i think meaning isnt possible	[16:41]
ThickAsThieves	meaningful*	[16:41]
asciilifeform	'i washed yer car, pony up' - 'i might throw you a penny, but you should've used water, not piss'	[16:41]
antephialtic	heh.	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "what the fuck are you doing here ?" "washing your wife, what does it look like!" "get out! " "hey, you owe me fifty bucks"	[16:42]
antephialtic	but I do agree with you that conformal giving them some competition is a boon. I hope btcd becomes a fully viable alternative	[16:42]
antephialtic	(to the point where protocol additions/modifications can be implemented there first)	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	antephialtic and i agree with you[r unstated point] that they're too young yet to have shown they suck,	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	so the future is still largely unknown.	[16:42]
ThickAsThieves	last night, driving home, i see these large flashy signs saying "NARCOTICS CHECKPOINT"	[16:43]
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ThickAsThieves	then tons of cop lights for a half-mile	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	with people pulled over	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	i wasnt pulled over	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	but i do wonder hoe the fuck this works	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	how*	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	"Do you have drugs?" "No." "Carry on" ?	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	outrageous.	[16:44]
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ThickAsThieves	we are definitely overstaffed in this county	[16:45]
VanCleef	spread your cheeks and cough	[16:45]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell justusranvier http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#601622 prolly interest you.	[16:46]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:46]
ThickAsThieves	is it an idiot trap? i mean all you do is say "is that an order?" "am i free to leave?" and that's it rigght?	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	i'd fucking sue the town.	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	last weekend,	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	"you delayed me. pay up. you didn't pay up of your own accord. here's my lawyer. pay him too."	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	they has a first-time craft beer festival	[16:47]
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ThickAsThieves	partially promoted and organized by the city	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	well,	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	5 years ago the city had a nice new parking lot made near the area	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	free every day all day	[16:48]
ThickAsThieves	then you go the event and it's all blocked off	[16:48]
ThickAsThieves	with someone collecting fees	[16:48]
ThickAsThieves	AND it was a pay event	[16:48]
ThickAsThieves	i dont get it...	[16:48]
VanCleef	dont they search your car?	[16:48]
VanCleef	if they wanted to	[16:49]
ThickAsThieves	so we pay for the lot, and when we need it most you charge us again?	[16:49]
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BingoBoingo	Eh, the state universities in Illinois have this odd rule where parking must be financed separately from the university it is attached to	[16:50]
BingoBoingo	The end result is a desire to sit in the parking garage for a lecture rather than any of the lecture halls	[16:51]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell cads http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-04-2014#601035 << where is this ?	[16:52]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'll say they learned vetrov's lesson when they quit winblows.	[16:53]
moiety	what an epic day! I can think straight again! *getting to keep my house a wee bit longer!	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	nah, they just changed how they did personnel . for the nth time.	[16:54]
asciilifeform	nato strategy for getting russians to eat shit, however, is brilliant - eat it themselves.	[16:54]
BingoBoingo	congrats moiety	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	homeless moiety ?!	[16:54]
asciilifeform	'they're eating it, why shouldn't we'	[16:54]
moiety	not yet mircea_popescu	[16:54]
*	moiety beams	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform brilliant is one way to call it...	[16:54]
moiety	thanks BingoBoingo :D	[16:54]
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antephialtic	http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SECRET_CUBAN_TWITTER_ABRIDGED	[16:57]
ozbot	News from The Associated Press	[16:57]
antephialtic	"The U.S. government masterminded the creation of a "Cuban Twitter" - a communications network designed to undermine the communist government in Cuba, built with secret shell companies and financed through foreign banks, The Associated Press has learned."	[16:58]
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moiety	let's celebrate with a manul: this is the face i mde at my landlord today https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1125248520/manul_profile.png	[16:59]
asciilifeform	where's the russian webturd for stirring unrest in the u.s.? why the neglect.	[16:59]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I dunno that the russians need one/lack the discipline to conceal their involvement	[17:02]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves "narcotics checkpoint" aka "seeing if there are any shady people on the road"... travelling in a car is second only to travelling by air with regard to how few rights you have	[17:03]
BingoBoingo	At least Max Keiser is going to get his ass kicked http://www.coindesk.com/londons-iconic-o2-venue-host-bitcoin-fight-night/	[17:04]
VanCleef	how do you lose against a crack head tho?	[17:05]
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moiety	BingoBoingo: i think this is worth a trip to london	[17:05]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg6052465#msg6052465	[17:06]
BingoBoingo	moiety: Maybe from scotland, it's what 15 minutes on a bicycle?	[17:06]
moiety	approx 8 hours via train, 12 via bus, 3 via plane	[17:07]
BingoBoingo	But they look so close on the map.	[17:07]
moiety	lolol probably cus you could fit britain into where you live XD	[17:07]
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moiety	takes 5 hours just to drive tonewcastle form here	[17:08]
moiety	(making good time)	[17:08]
nubbins`	what's a plane ride cost, $1?	[17:08]
nubbins`	:D	[17:08]
jurov	where's bitcointa-lk firefox plugin?	[17:09]
moiety	lol not from this city £100+	[17:09]
moiety	it the only flight you can get i think nubbins` lol (to london)	[17:09]
nubbins`	heh	[17:09]
nubbins`	still. they wouldn't let you into the airport for £100 here	[17:09]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Github	[17:09]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointa.lk/pages/browser-extension/	[17:10]
ozbot	Browser Extension \| Bitcointa.lk	[17:10]
moiety	and its those shady wee 12 seater things	[17:10]
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moiety	this is where i live (photographer friends pic) http://i.imgur.com/4CX29Ql.png	[17:11]
BingoBoingo	That's not a place... That's a dock or a bridge	[17:11]
moiety	http://i.imgur.com/R5K8TRh.png	[17:12]
moiety	we has both :D thats the city	[17:12]
BingoBoingo	Is that a volcano in the middle?	[17:13]
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moiety	3 photographer friends have started an fb page withtheir pictures of the place, ivebeen stealing them all lol	[17:13]
moiety	yep	[17:13]
moiety	dormant	[17:13]
nubbins`	man. i've been trying to order medium black organic t-shirts for like a fuckin month	[17:14]
nubbins`	but they're always sold out of MEDIUM	[17:14]
nubbins`	all 5 warehouses	[17:14]
nubbins`	hundreds of all other sizes in stock	[17:14]
jurov	buy L and cook them?	[17:15]
jurov	and label them "pre-shrunk"	[17:16]
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BingoBoingo	Buy small and call them fat?	[17:16]
moiety	lolol ^	[17:16]
nubbins`	heh.	[17:17]
nubbins`	well last time the customer just got a bunch of large	[17:17]
BingoBoingo	If you want to be polite about it you can call the smalls "fitted"	[17:18]
nubbins`	but this order, they're asking for 20 mediums in a 50-shirt order	[17:18]
nubbins`	i'm going to suggest charcoal grey instead of black	[17:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.063099 = 0.1262 BTC [+]	[17:19]
BingoBoingo	Maybe institute a bezzel where your "insurer" won't let you organic, because moths	[17:19]
nubbins`	heh	[17:19]
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jurov	BingoBoingo: thx, I realized I can click the (Github) on their plugin page	[17:21]
BingoBoingo	jurov: welcome	[17:23]
nubbins`	one of the nicest smells is just after you finish grinding coffee beans	[17:23]
nubbins`	there's this brief whiff of co2-heavy air that comes out	[17:23]
nubbins`	only lasts a second or two	[17:24]
BingoBoingo	http://nypost.com/2014/04/03/alcoholic-court-stenographers-gibberish-imperils-guilty-verdicts/	[17:24]
ozbot	Rogue alcoholic court reporter kept writing ‘I hate my job’ \| New York Post	[17:24]
nubbins`	always wondered why they don't keep voice recordings	[17:26]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: it's all part of the 'rule of law' bullshit, where they get to decide that certain things never happened	[17:26]
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asciilifeform	or that tone of voice never happened (SOP) etc.	[17:27]
nubbins`	"Strike those comments from the record!" / "rewind the tape 30 seconds!"	[17:27]
BingoBoingo	Also text doesn't convey the judge's drunk sluring	[17:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04400042 = 0.308 BTC [-] {4}	[17:27]
asciilifeform	yeah but then, unless an expert monkey walks the recording, it becomes obvious	[17:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05791428 = 0.4054 BTC [+] {4}	[17:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {4}	[17:27]
asciilifeform	that something was snipped	[17:27]
asciilifeform	'the memory hole'	[17:27]
asciilifeform	only really works well with text	[17:27]
nubbins`	for shame	[17:28]
nubbins`	stenography shorthand, fascinating	[17:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06060114 = 0.4848 BTC [-]	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` lol pretty epic	[17:38]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348977.msg6053033#msg6053033	[17:40]
ozbot	This is the story of your loss.	[17:40]
nubbins`	straight troll now ;(	[17:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00096 = 9.168 BTC [+]	[17:40]
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antephialtic	"Marcel Popescu"	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile in the best america : http://www.thedailysheeple.com/venezuela-enforces-fingerprint-registry-to-buy-groceries-what-to-do-before-rationing-starts-in-america_042014	[17:44]
antephialtic	is that your french cousin?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea ?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	you'll have to take me slowly, my forum reports stopped coming in. i have no fucking idea.	[17:45]
pankkake	wow, venezuela is scary. I fear it's the future of France :(	[17:45]
nubbins`	"People who go shopping every day hurt us all"	[17:45]
nubbins`	^ pretty lucid	[17:45]
pankkake	and I'm a hoarder already	[17:46]
Apocalyptic	might as well be pankkake	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	pankkake the not so distant future.	[17:46]
nubbins`	you're not a hoarder, you're a nervous buyer.	[17:46]
Apocalyptic	but Sapin is gonna save you all	[17:46]
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nubbins`	anyway, just pointing out the name of the website that article is posted on	[17:46]
pankkake	Now, think about those “loyalty cards” that every grocery store in North America promotes when you go through the checkout.	[17:46]
nubbins`	"the daily sheeple" -- almost as cringe-worthy as the Frank & Oak ads	[17:47]
pankkake	eh, this is actually true, loyalty cards just got financially interesting this year	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	they had them since the 80s	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	one of buffett's first businesses was some discount stamp operation.	[17:47]
nubbins`	"Food Minister Felix Osorio said the process was off to a smooth start. He says the system will sound an alarm when it detects suspicious purchasing patterns, ensuring that less-than-honest customers will be beaten to death by the angry mob that surrounds them"	[17:48]
pankkake	stores I go to had like 0.03% savings, now it's 5%	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha	[17:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00095961 = 22.7907 BTC [-] {2}	[17:48]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, have you seen http://www.lecontrarien.com/scoop-faites-comme-le-nouveau-ministre-de-leconomie-rien-a-la-banque-tout-en-actifs-tangibles-03-04-2014-edito ?	[17:48]
Apocalyptic	pretty lulzy	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	venezuela, set to become first country without inequality. "in our stores, nobody buys nuttin'" one county comissioner stated.	[17:49]
pankkake	lol, no haven't seen	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	Apocalyptic you french too ?	[17:49]
Apocalyptic	i have lived in France for a decent time	[17:49]
nubbins`	"maybe if we give EVERYONE a job toting a rifle around a grocery store..."	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[17:50]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 5987463980.93 based on data since last change \| 6793092876.89 based on data for last three days	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	burly	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	ah i c.	[17:50]
nubbins`	anyway the funny thing about these "sheeple" / "SHTF" websites is that they offer advice that would have been perceived as obvious and sensible a generation or two ago	[17:50]
moiety	nubbins`: I'm free for work....lol	[17:50]
nubbins`	"plant a garden" / "eat local food" / "store long-term food supplies"	[17:51]
nubbins`	etc	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	ah the GOOG finally split	[17:51]
nubbins`	modern dum-dums read this and say "lel what are you worried about"	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` indeed. which is the genius of it, they just copy/paste old almanacs	[17:51]
nubbins`	yup.	[17:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]	[17:51]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, the declaration has actually been removed from the official website this morning	[17:52]
nubbins`	it's amazing how quickly a society forgets	[17:52]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/WrLl6wn.gif cat ftw.	[17:52]
Apocalyptic	just noticed the update, it's so good	[17:52]
rithm	i thought everything bitcoin-related was a scam	[17:52]
nubbins`	rithm it is	[17:52]
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rithm	ahh k	[17:53]
nubbins`	bummer, huh?	[17:53]
thestringpuller	http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/bitcoin/36-cities-in-20-states-abandon-the-dollar.php?iris=183550&utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=cpm&utm_content=ko1&utm_campaign=bitcoin	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	ah come on	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` your face's a scam	[17:54]
nubbins`	thestringpuller: "What is replacing the dollar in these U.S. cities and companies? Watch this fuckin video to find out because we can't be bothered to just tell you"	[17:54]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: how else am i supposed to beguile the ladies?	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	darn.	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.04265959 = 1.0665 BTC [-] {6}	[17:54]
Asa9	nice cat gif	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	Asa9 now that cat definitely's a scam	[17:55]
nubbins`	heh.	[17:55]
nubbins`	cat is running a fractional reserve	[17:55]
numerisTrade	/j #ripple	[17:55]
nubbins`	"nonono i totally have a dozen eggs, just come back tomorrow"	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	well... a fractional chicken serve, anyway.	[17:56]
nubbins`	"DID YOUR CITY JUST DUMP THE DOLLAR?"	[17:57]
antephialtic	"Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC."	[17:57]
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nubbins`	i feel like i should post a link from an alarmist end-of-times website to fit in	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	"our city dump is already overfull. we can't dump no dollar"	[17:57]
nubbins`	i came across one of these a while ago: http://www.zwiggystradetokens.com/1983-st-johns-trade-token-gilbert-dollar-p-1219.html	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` like http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Your-Boyfriend-Think-You're-Cute ?	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	note the fucking tranny opening cartoon	[17:58]
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nubbins`	heh	[17:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 25 @ 0.05889992 = 1.4725 BTC [+] {2}	[17:58]
nubbins`	keep #2, throw out the rest	[17:59]
nubbins`	altho TBF if you're not naturally confident, faking it ain't gonna work	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	confident is not cute.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	submissive is cute, and that's hard to fake.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	"Make sure you take a shower,wash your hair, body, feet, etc"	[17:59]
nubbins`	oh, shit, we're going for "cute"	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	sometimes i wonder where in africa is this us of a.	[18:00]
nubbins`	speaking of cute, my wife bought a pair of these insane leggings:	[18:00]
nubbins`	http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0115/5832/products/AT-Finn_JakeLegs-5-WEB_1024x1024.png?v=1384144933	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	"Don't wear some booty shorts that make your butt hang out, low cut shirts, really tight clothing, or sheer clothing. Hanging all your stuff out isn't cute, it's gross. Be modest."	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	apparently, some muslim part of africa at any rate.	[18:01]
nubbins`	"wear floor-length skirts and turtleneck sweaters"	[18:01]
nubbins`	http://www.theonion.com/articles/suburban-mom-wows-family-with-most-androgynous-loo,34397/	[18:01]
ozbot	Suburban Mom Wows Family With Most Androgynous Look Yet \| The Onion - America's Finest News Source	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	how to "accidentally" get shot, a guide. #1 : "Randomly poke him in his stomach, arm, or face. "	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	"Randomly look at him and say you're a flirt. Make sure you sound playfully and sweet. Surely you two will get in a play argument about who is a bigger flirt."	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	ah these wikis are so great.	[18:02]
nubbins`	"AUU MAI GAUUEDDDD AIIM SUCH A FLUUUURRRT"	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/aantonooooop/status/451722966749827073	[18:04]
ozbot	Twitter / aantonooooop: If @Mircea_Popescu is the ...	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	someone made a "fake andreas".	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	question that remains is who the fuck is the real andreas.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	please stand up.	[18:04]
pankkake	oh that's where the "Neo&Bee only failed because it wasn't a DAC." is from	[18:05]
pankkake	haha it's pure genius	[18:05]
kakobrekla	a digital to analogue converter? i dun get it.	[18:06]
pankkake	Decentralized Autonomous Corporation	[18:07]
nubbins`	hm, considering making a bet about whether HIF will pay a dividend on schedule	[18:07]
kakobrekla	stupid acronym	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla some reddit derps took mpex contracts, threw out most of the good bits [they didn';t understood] and "branded it"	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	now they'll be forever remembered	[18:07]
kakobrekla	orly	[18:07]
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mircea_popescu	as those reddit derps that tried to name something they stole but not actually understood in a futile attempt to be forever remembered that nevertheless sorta worked	[18:08]
Asa9	omg THE goldstein of bitcoin!	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	for a year or so	[18:08]
Asa9	an honor sir!	[18:08]
kakobrekla	;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet	[18:09]
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kakobrekla	meh	[18:09]
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mircea_popescu	it's not a bad thing to be, tbh. if the choice is that book, the only other option is the chick when young	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	and i dun wanna be a chick, even should she be young.	[18:09]
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mircea_popescu	so why da fuck does nobody go "omg s.nsa must post pics we do not believe this" ?	[18:10]
asciilifeform	perhaps they were put to sleep by the first set of pics.	[18:10]
asciilifeform	do people even like to look at printed circuits any more?	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	sucks to be me	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	i wish i could be marcel popescu of the forums instead	[18:11]
pankkake	no the only thing that matters is the PCB color	[18:11]
asciilifeform	i'm twirling a brand new one in my fingers now. what a beautiful crystallized piece of civilization this bugger is.	[18:11]
asciilifeform	think of all of the engineering sweat that goes into the tech (not to mention little chinese girls denied toilet breaks)	[18:12]
nubbins`	i base my tech purchases on the amount of pee being held in by the people making the item in question	[18:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0608355 = 1.2167 BTC [+] {2}	[18:13]
nubbins`	generally this is unknowable so it's been a while since i bought anything new	[18:13]
Asa9	bladder augmentation	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	well here's the pic anyway : http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement/ (grep for ps)	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	tho you really don't deserve it.	[18:13]
asciilifeform	to be fair, i understand why skeptics don't care much for photos now.	[18:13]
asciilifeform	photo doesn't prove that a widget functions as promised.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if you fail miserably your punishment will be to dwell on the forums for two years.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	guaranteed to change the way you look at ... i dunno, a glass of water.	[18:14]
nubbins`	sexy boards	[18:14]
nubbins`	i can only imagine what lies beneath the sticker	[18:14]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: these are i/o panels.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SEE IT S FAKE BY THE PIXELS	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	omfg i need another internet.	[18:15]
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asciilifeform	i like how the 'customs inspection' time of this crap is... 10 minutes.	[18:16]
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asciilifeform	and yes, the sticker tells the truth, afaik - these came out of the plating baths on 4/1.	[18:16]
nubbins`	have you guys figured out packaging/documentation/instructions/etc for these little beasts yet?	[18:16]
antephialtic	you gotta have today's newspaper in the background of the pic	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` not fully.	[18:17]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: ask a fellow who owns a kalashnikov. did it come with instructions?	[18:17]
asciilifeform	'this side towards enemy'	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	i do think he has a point, we'll have to figure it out	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	even if the figuring ends up being "fu go away"	[18:18]
asciilifeform	in all seriousness, i intend to print 'cardano - design & operation' in dead tree, for a few lucky folks	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	with illustrations	[18:18]
dignork	https://www.ar15.com/content/webPDF/AK47USArmyOperatorManual.pdf	[18:19]
asciilifeform	and commented sources.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	"cardano, the missing manul" ?	[18:19]
nubbins`	well, y'know kids these days. nice packaging + a couple of "unboxing videos" = more sales	[18:19]
asciilifeform	on the nato side,	[18:19]
asciilifeform	http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu277/WolfTrack_album/ForIdiots.jpg	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you ever seen the landmines ?	[18:19]
mike_c	;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet << for everybody who asks "how to i get wot ratings". here's one way.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	"this end towards enemy"	[18:19]
asciilifeform	claymore	[18:19]
asciilifeform	russian version, afaik, lacks the helpful tip.	[18:20]
nubbins`	lel	[18:20]
asciilifeform	nm	[18:20]
asciilifeform	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Non_armed_mon50_anti-personnel_clustermine.jpg	[18:20]
asciilifeform	there it is.	[18:20]
asciilifeform	'к противнику'	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	potrivnicii hahaha	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	"potrivnic" means opponent in romanian	[18:21]
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antephialtic	ascilifeform: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/AK-47_Operator's_Manual	[18:21]
antephialtic	whoops, didn't see someone had already posted	[18:21]
asciilifeform	what do you know. everything has a manual.	[18:21]
asciilifeform	probably even army spoon.	[18:21]
dignork	toilet paper?	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	"do not chew"	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` lol marsellus.	[18:22]
nubbins`	:D	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	i shall be mp aka marsellus goldstein	[18:22]
nubbins`	marsellus popescuus	[18:22]
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andreas_	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/emFvrWIk	[18:22]
ozbot	Pastebin: emFvrWIk \| IRCCloud	[18:22]
asciilifeform	find a silica gel packet that came with electronic parts. mine here is printed: 'do not eat.'	[18:22]
chetty	British Army TP used to say "on her majesties service" on each sheet	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i saw some "do not feed to children"	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	chetty ahahahaah	[18:23]
nubbins`	"do not insert genitals into blender"	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	probably for stress relieving	[18:23]
Asa9	lol	[18:23]
asciilifeform	re: trolls, pcb photos, and skepticism: i'm waiting for the clever idiots. 'you stuffed winblows in there'	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	there's sadly no middle class idiocy. people are either very dumb or passibly smart.	[18:26]
nubbins`	all-black packaging plz	[18:26]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder how the hell this works out in practice, it's out and out antistatistical.	[18:26]
nubbins`	classy	[18:26]
asciilifeform	i have this (perhaps false?) memory that the net used to contain clever idiots.	[18:26]
moiety	http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/31/toilet-paper-that-costs-150-a-plop-erm-i-mean-pop-4684394/	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	i think it may be more of an artefact of your age asciilifeform	[18:26]
asciilifeform	maybe they all OD'd on aol stock in the '90s or something	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	when you were a kid things maybe looked taller.	[18:26]
asciilifeform	possibly.	[18:26]
nubbins`	this is why i don't re-watch movies i enjoyed as a kid	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	^	[18:27]
mike_c	some hold up though.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	i sometimes do, but it's always a debate.	[18:27]
nubbins`	the scattered one, yes	[18:27]
asciilifeform	hilariously, virtually all the folks who read my blog think i must be at least 50y.o.	[18:27]
nubbins`	the dark crystal vs the mask	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	i rewatched jungle book and i was completely underwhelmed	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	(as a kid, i could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me)	[18:27]
asciilifeform	russian prison proverb - 'do not return to the place where you had joy'	[18:28]
mike_c	does the dark crystal hold up? i would be nervous to watch again because i loved it as a kid.	[18:28]
nubbins`	mike_c yeah	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	you two may be different people, as a psa.	[18:28]
nubbins`	skeksis are still fucking badass	[18:28]
asciilifeform	could not understand english, so it was all splendid gibledygook to me << that was me, watching american animation on bootled vhs, in '90.	[18:28]
mike_c	heh. awesome	[18:28]
asciilifeform	*bootleg	[18:28]
pankkake	BFL sends me a mail with… this image: https://gallery.mailchimp.com/5015fc3486176144c53751877/images/take_my_bitcoins_logo.png	[18:29]
nubbins`	there's something nice about watching a movie in a language you don't understand, though	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform pretty much yeah :D	[18:29]
nubbins`	the first time i saw pan's labyrinth was spanish audio with korean subtitles	[18:29]
rithm	take_my_bitcoins_logo.png trollmode over9000	[18:29]
nubbins`	pankkake so does this mean they're offering refunds...?	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` watch spielen wir liebe then.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	guaranteed trip.	[18:30]
rithm	so NEOBEE or is that yesterday's lolercoaster	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	NewBie shall return! from ashes!	[18:31]
rithm	"people are threatening me everything is mysterious let's be vague on bitscumtalk"	[18:31]
asciilifeform	is there a short/sweet sum-up somewhere of wtf 'neobee' was?	[18:31]
asciilifeform	the way it looks to me, it's replay of 'pirate' ?	[18:32]
kakobrekla	from some guy: > Upon review of your Bitstamp account we have to notify you that your verification documents do not meet our verification standards.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	bitscumtalk lol	[18:32]
rithm	sonething something ipo physical location cryptocurrency	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	this reminds me of the weird homoerotic teenager party game	[18:32]
kakobrekla	after he has been verified.	[18:32]
nubbins`	asciilifeform the general consensus is that btc flowed from "investors" through tat to neo to cypriot advertisers who kicked back to neo	[18:32]
nubbins`	or something	[18:32]
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asciilifeform	was 'neobee' ever more than of 'entomological' interest to thinking folks?	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla verifications reverify every fie.	[18:33]
rithm	everything is the same oops your money is gone pirate replay	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform originally it claimed, without substantiation, that it may be. so thinking folks originally reserved judgement	[18:33]
rithm	it's the exit strategy of the world. no accountability	[18:33]
rithm	erm except MPEx tho	[18:33]
rithm	couch couch	[18:34]
rithm	*cough	[18:34]
nubbins`	was just gonna say, nsa/mg are the only btc corps i can think of that didn't immediately blow their fuckin wad on salaries	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	how scandalous this must be.	[18:34]
nubbins`	imagine, startups that are more interested in making things than drawing a fat paycheque	[18:34]
rithm	crqazy talk	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	YOU MUST GROW FAST	[18:35]
rithm	step one is buy the gulfstream	[18:35]
rithm	step two is learn to fly	[18:35]
nubbins`	as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money	[18:35]
nubbins`	pink eye didn't pay out a dime in wages for our first 2 years	[18:35]
nubbins`	even now, it's minimum wage for billable hours only	[18:35]
rithm	step three smile, shake hands, take monies, talk smart <---that's all one step	[18:36]
asciilifeform	i've spent ~2 btc, so far.	[18:36]
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Apocalyptic	as owner of a small business, i'm amused by how eager most "companies" in this space are to spend money << amazes me as well	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	more like 1.6	[18:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10915 @ 0.00010999 = 1.2005 BTC [+] {3}	[18:36]
rithm	step four abscond with monies	[18:36]
rithm	step five $$$	[18:36]
nubbins`	"let's open an office with neon signs and track lighting and wood panelling and GLASS EVERYWHERE"	[18:36]
nubbins`	"we can afford to do this for a couple of weeks"	[18:37]
asciilifeform	to be fair, i did blow $xxxx of lunch money modernizing my bench. but that's not an s.nsa expense item.	[18:37]
nubbins`	aha! so remember those shit plastisol inks that were "donated" to us, and were unusable, and the dump wouldn't take?	[18:37]
nubbins`	convinced the asshole donators to take 'em back	[18:38]
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rithm	how about those shiny new GOOGL class C's	[18:39]
VanCleef	goes well with a segway	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	i'd take a two year put on google/bitcoin	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	the problem is that fucking market has no liquidity whatsoever	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	perhaps due to the fact everyone knows fiat is fucked.	[18:40]
rithm	the fungibility of bitcoin decimal units is the only thing that can bail anyone out of trillions in debt	[18:42]
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asciilifeform	VanCleef: segway goes well with... cliffs.	[18:43]
asciilifeform	;;google segway cliff	[18:43]
gribble	Segway tycoon Jimi Heselden dies in cliff plunge on one of his own ...: ; Jimi Heselden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Segway company owner rides scooter off cliff, dies - NBC News:	[18:43]
rithm	i'm counting down the days until zombies myself	[18:43]
rithm	spend a little time each night sharpening my axe	[18:43]
asciilifeform	rithm: everyone knows you sharpen a sapper's spade for zombies, not axe.	[18:44]
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rithm	your legs are strong, and you're so, so long and you don't come from this town	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if zombies give better head.	[18:45]
rithm	if you use a machete sure	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	seeing how crackheads aren't so bad, and that'd seem the next ogical step	[18:45]
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mod6	crackheads have less teef, not sure about zombies.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	if zombies have teef they're probably a) not theirs and b) lodged in their backs etc.	[18:47]
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rithm	mircea_popescu seems like the type to bareback a zombie	[18:47]
rithm	idk	[18:47]
*	nubbins` blinks	[18:47]
nubbins`	that's a sapper's spade?	[18:47]
nubbins`	i have one of those	[18:47]
nubbins`	it was called a "camping shovel"	[18:48]
mod6	entrenching tool	[18:48]
mod6	many uses	[18:48]
asciilifeform	http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/01.html	[18:49]
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mike_c	rithm: google is learning from mpex :) more non-voting shares!	[18:51]
nubbins`	was always curious about the serrated edge	[18:51]
nubbins`	eventually decided it was for tree roots	[18:52]
mod6	nice asciilifeform	[18:52]
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mircea_popescu	buffett actually made the observation sometime in the 80s that their nonvoting shares turned out to be more valuable than their voting shares	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	and starting detaching selling off his voting rights	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile in the land of the desperate, "Facing the success of Anna Tatu's Valentine banners, we have redesigned them & removed the reference to "Valentine". Now you can use them all year long!"	[18:53]
nubbins`	TATU	[18:53]
nubbins`	sorry, t.A.T.u.	[18:54]
VanCleef	whatever happened to those chicks?	[18:54]
nubbins`	not sure, very popular in korea when i was there	[18:54]
nubbins`	entire discog available in every karaoke room	[18:54]
VanCleef	sickness	[18:54]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: incl. 'yugoslavia' ?	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` they came of age and so were no longer interesting to pedos ?	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	http://redblow.com/stuff/anna-tatu-naked-in-grocery-shop/anna-tatu-11.jpg < that's her anyway.	[18:55]
nubbins`	asciilifeform that's the one song name i remember	[18:55]
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mircea_popescu	they had a "things she said" one, i dun recall the yugoslavia bit	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	not being around at the time.	[18:56]
nubbins`	booze in the grocery store	[18:56]
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nubbins`	things you don't see here	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` europe is actually free.	[18:56]
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asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tdf3gEHZgo	[18:56]
ozbot	t.A.T.u. - Yugoslavia - YouTube	[18:56]
asciilifeform	that one.	[18:56]
asciilifeform	(english subs)	[18:56]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu more common here is to have a full liquor store attached to the grocery store	[18:56]
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mircea_popescu	"Kochanski’s botched transcripts include the 2010 mortgage-fraud trial of Aaron Hand, who was also convicted of trying to hire a hit man to take out a witness against him."	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	someone should conduct a study of "how many times did the prosecution claim hitman to try and get a tough case past the jury"	[18:57]
asciilifeform	having been on a u.s. jury, i'll say that it ought to be enough to cure anyone of 'rule of law' delusion.	[18:57]
nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Sobeys/@47.567024,-52.716654,2a,90y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1shttps:%2F%2Flh3.googleusercontent.com%2F-ybKcOwZQd1I%2FUlP3czrACGI%2FAAAAAAAAAio%2Fn56IgQQyHPQ%2Fs203%2F2013-10-08!2e4!3e12!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xdc3cfa9c288b7d43!6m1!1e1	[18:58]
ozbot	Google Maps	[18:58]
nubbins`	...now that's a link	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	o ? how did it go ?	[18:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.50703232 BTC to 4`992 shares, 50221 satoshi per share	[18:58]
asciilifeform	it was a petty theft case, long ago. some bugger was evicted from an apartment, and his belongings were carried out by a set of hired hands. one of whom stole a garbage bag full of pron. also containing a (usg-issued) laptop.	[18:59]
jurov	nubbins` here you can see small grocery attached to liquor store instead xD	[18:59]
asciilifeform	the latter had the mandatory bios rootkit, and 'called home'	[18:59]
nubbins`	:D	[18:59]
asciilifeform	but none of this is interesting. the educational bit is how the trials actually go	[18:59]
nubbins`	generally you only see booze and groceries in the same store when you visit rural areas	[18:59]
turbo_ac100	mike_c: well for the first one it seems reasonable to me. Maybe because I don't know too much about WOT :P	[18:59]
asciilifeform	e.g. both sides will stipulate something (said something being obvious crock of shit) to be 'fact' and go from there	[19:00]
nubbins`	altho this varies by province. quebec famously sells wine in gas stations	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's adversarial system with you.	[19:00]
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nubbins`	here in newfoundland, every corner store and gas station sells beer, but no wine/booze	[19:00]
asciilifeform	ended in a mistrial, and the next set of jury chumpers naturally won't be told anything, everyone pretends the 1st go never happened, etc.	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	not necessarily anything wrong with it, is there ?	[19:00]
nubbins`	i was an alternate juror once, never ended up being needed	[19:01]
asciilifeform	adversarial system... not necessarily anything wrong with it << i'd rather they skipped straight to trial by chainsaw combat	[19:01]
asciilifeform	same result, more honest, cheaper.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	no but bear with me a minute.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	each side stipulates a crock of shit as fact and they go from there.	[19:01]
nubbins`	selection process was interesting. domestic assault trial, defendant turned away every female juror until his limit was up	[19:01]
asciilifeform	ah yes!	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	this seems intellecrtually quite respectable no ?	[19:02]
asciilifeform	voir dire	[19:02]
asciilifeform	it's a circus all its own.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	i may be the only person here that actually appreciates common law.	[19:02]
asciilifeform	they systematically banish anyone with the slightest inkling of a clue from the room	[19:02]
nubbins`	^	[19:02]
asciilifeform	i've been to four of these	[19:02]
asciilifeform	one time got picked. they ran out of 'strikes'	[19:02]
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nubbins`	it was fun seeing people trying to get out of jury duty	[19:03]
nubbins`	"no b'y i gotta work"	[19:03]
nubbins`	st. john's being a city of less than 200k people, two of the jurors were excused because their sons played soccer with the prosecutor's son	[19:04]
Apocalyptic	lol	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	"my ex used to date his brother's ex your honor"	[19:05]
asciilifeform	trials were probably more interesting in the days of 'peine forte et dure' etc.	[19:05]
asciilifeform	i'ma ask for me lisp machine to be brought to my peine forte et dure.	[19:05]
asciilifeform	60kg.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	wywialm best way to figure out wtf atc is is to grep the logs for it.	[19:06]
mike_c	;;later tell turbo_ac100 i think it is quite reasonable. i was presenting it as a good example of how to get rated.	[19:07]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[19:08]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 447.31, Best ask: 447.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 447.31, 24 hour volume: 30559.63876518, 24 hour low: 416.11, 24 hour high: 457.36, 24 hour vwap: 439.818273209	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 314.59764223*439.818273209	[19:08]
gribble	138365.791761	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	;;google brk-a	[19:08]
gribble	BRK-A: Summary for Berkshire Hathaway Inc. Common - Yahoo ...: ; Berkshire Hathaway Inc.: NYSE:BRK.A quotes & news - Google ...: ; BRKA - Berkshire Hathaway Inc Stock quote - CNNMoney.com:	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 186199.00 / 138365.791761	[19:08]
gribble	1.34570111319	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	tsk tsk.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	ahead by 35%	[19:09]
asciilifeform	re: voir dire: it often gets ridiculous. 'who here was a policeman? lawyer? once knew a policeman? once saw a policeman?'	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but WHY do you say it's ridiculous ?	[19:09]
bounce	what's wrong with institutions that $person dies, $institution dies is preferrable?	[19:09]
asciilifeform	bounce: nothing is wrong with this. because new caesars can be born.	[19:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you should see, with your own eyes, who is left at the end of this procedure.	[19:10]
asciilifeform	i did see - by sheer accident.	[19:11]
bounce	to every ceasar there's a bunch of fscktards and even more mediocre guys holding down the place	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	i have participated	[19:11]
bounce	I don't really see a difference here, except much less continuity	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	on the strategist end of things, ie, picking who to throw off.	[19:11]
asciilifeform	that must've been puddles of fun.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[19:12]
asciilifeform	i assume everyone has seen the 'peoples of walmart' crap. well, that's who gets to sit on the jury.	[19:12]
bounce	wasn't it "a few good men" where the hot shot lawyer guy urged to keep the nigger because of his nicely shined shoes?	[19:13]
bounce	though I may well be misremembering. what a jury needs at a military trial is a bit of fridge logic.	[19:15]
Mats_cd03	"Adversarial system"? Who are you, Scalia?	[19:15]
asciilifeform	fridge logic ?	[19:15]
asciilifeform	and since when does a military trial use a jury ?	[19:15]
bounce	;;google fridge logic tvtropes	[19:16]
gribble	Main/Fridge Logic - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: ; Main/Fridge Brilliance - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes: ; Main/Fridge Horror - Television Tropes & Idioms - TV Tropes:	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but this doesn;t work for your arghument, it works against it.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	the people of wallmart thing	[19:16]
Mats_cd03	courts martial	[19:16]
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mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 apparently.	[19:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ?	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the fact that the jury is selected for stupidity does not on the face support the theory that the trial is ineffectual.	[19:17]
Mats_cd03	e.g. a flag officer under courts martial gets a jury of his peers (other flag officers - generals)	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 apparently i'm marsellus goldstern scalia.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you did the exact same thing when you made cardano designs : selected the parts for stupidity.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	well... goose, gander.	[19:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63808 @ 0.00096078 = 61.3055 BTC [+] {3}	[19:18]
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Mats_cd03	dongsellus dongstern donglia	[19:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it is certainly effective for... a purpose. just not the stated one - 'findings of fact'	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	and it's "findings of fact AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE CASE"	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	it's not an apollo expedition.	[19:18]
Mats_cd03	its my greatest disappointment in life	[19:19]
bounce	who'd find facts in an apollo capsule anyway?	[19:19]
asciilifeform	well over here they also have an interesting legal concept, 'plea bargain'	[19:19]
Mats_cd03	that ill never be able to traverse the stars	[19:19]
asciilifeform	where 99% of the accused plead guilty to some largely-fictional charge	[19:19]
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mircea_popescu	plea bargains and juries are not really much related thi	[19:20]
asciilifeform	but they go great together.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	im not sure i could articulate your thesis atm.	[19:20]
Mats_cd03	asciilifeform: sad stacks, not enough people have the balls to go to trial and prefer to plea	[19:20]
Mats_cd03	you know, game theory, etc etc	[19:20]
bounce	nah. they're more of an extortionate fix to a "justice" system with too many overly vague overly broad criminal laws	[19:20]
Mats_cd03	the average prosecutor can only manage n trials at any time in a jurisdiction	[19:21]
Mats_cd03	the trick is being n+1 when the time comes ;)	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	bounce pretty much.	[19:21]
pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/223p2y/unraveling_the_neo_bee_wave_of_resignations_by/	[19:21]
ozbot	Unraveling the Neo & Bee - Wave of resignations by employees and Mr. Neo disappeared : neobee	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i hope you're aware you're engaging in the crime of COMMERCIAL BUSINESS BLACKMAIL	[19:22]
bounce	ie they're a way to wriggle past bill shock (where the bill is the sentence as well as the rest of the cost) while at the same time allowing the "justice" department to show they're worth their money by "producing" convicts	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	convictions.	[19:22]
pankkake	I'm surprised no one ever offered me money to shut up	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	if they could produce convictions without convicts they'd be happiest.	[19:22]
pankkake	threats, but not coins	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	pankkake they were trying to buy the girl over tho...	[19:23]
Apocalyptic	threats are cheap, like air	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	see, if only you had tits..	[19:23]
Apocalyptic	coins on the other hand...	[19:23]
bounce	aaron schwarz is a good illustration where the DoJ deliberately went for it only it backfired. though apparently hasn't backfired enough.	[19:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00557205 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {4}	[19:23]
Mats_cd03	http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/04/s-korea-runaway-drone-n-korea-20144211321213993.html	[19:23]
ozbot	S Korea and the runaway drone - Opinion - Al Jazeera English	[19:23]
pankkake	if I was a girl, I would have been a prostitute	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	then you'd have been a "girl you'll be a woman soon".	[19:23]
bounce	hmm... you're saying they're competing with the (commercially run) jail system? :-)	[19:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04178331 = 1.0028 BTC [-] {11}	[19:24]
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bounce	no convicts -> empty jails. doesn't appear to be a goal of the system. though it could be, I'll give you that. though not in a country where the culture prescribes conflicts must be about people. a conviction is an outcome of such a conflict.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	bounce the jail filling is not a goal of the justice dept.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	other people make that buck.	[19:26]
bounce	who drives it, though? seeing the large amounts of poor held pretty much indefinitely in pre-trial holding cells	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	congress. its the original backbone of pork	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	running a jail was the way to put yourself on the map, see ?	[19:29]
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mircea_popescu	all through the 1800s	[19:29]
benkay	o/	[19:30]
bounce	geh. talk about unintended consequences.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	that entire storyline about how easy the mobsters had it in jail ? well , the jails were run by congressmen which they had elected, and were going to reelect.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the flow of campaign funds has mostly moved, but not entirely. and history is what shapes mechanisms.	[19:32]
bounce	am I correct in presuming the no institutions thing is about ensuring someone takes responsibility?	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	"why is the road here" "because this is the path cows took coming home"	[19:32]
asciilifeform	in wash. d.c., there is a private museaum, 'crime & punishment', with famous electric chairs, etc. they also have a reconstructed example of such a jail cell	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	bounce to a large degree.	[19:32]
bounce	so lingering connections and all that	[19:32]
asciilifeform	looks quite like a '40s hotel room	[19:32]
asciilifeform	complete with escritoire, if i recall.	[19:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26090 @ 0.00096355 = 25.139 BTC [+]	[19:34]
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bounce	there's prisons much more elaborate than that in latin america. you get to buy-in (and buy-out when you leave) for considerable sums of money, though	[19:34]
Mats_cd03	it gets better	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the "suspended sentence" is the proof of the separation between convict and conviction, and the respective beneficiary institutions.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	the cleavage is pretty deep	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the suspended sentence yielded its own excrescence, the social worker	[19:35]
Mats_cd03	in some places in asia, notably china, its popular for the moneyed to pay others to sit their duration of a prison sentence	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	which had a weak footing but meanwhile anchored itself in family care through the mediation of pseudo-healthcare (ie psychology)	[19:36]
asciilifeform	the town where the courthouse stood (see my recollections about juries previously) was a real laugh:	[19:36]
Mats_cd03	id rob banks for funsies if that was possible	[19:36]
asciilifeform	every other door was a 'bondsman' (lending bail money) or a contractor which sold gps collars	[19:36]
asciilifeform	for 'suspended sentences'	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	all these being counted as part of that "thriving, market economy which made the us great"	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	except they're uneconomical and antimarket.	[19:37]
asciilifeform	Mats_cd03: among the chechens, etc. the clan picks a 'youngest son' or whatever to do the time in his brother's place	[19:37]
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asciilifeform	or, more generally, some designated luser with no better purpose at the moment.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	the us has this institution too	[19:38]
asciilifeform	he'll dutifully confess and move in.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	"designated driver"	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	the schmuck that doesn't drink or have fun so his friends can have sex they don't then have to account for.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	or moreover... her.	[19:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: afaik 'designated drivers' only exist in ministry of health propaganda - the usual reality is that everyone is thoroughly picked, including the drivers	[19:39]
asciilifeform	*pickled	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	well i could argue the same re chechen practice :)	[19:39]
asciilifeform	said propaganda is riotously funny, when you drive by pub after pub with enormous parking lots	[19:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00096095 = 2.4024 BTC [-] {2}	[19:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 76 @ 0.05041577 = 3.8316 BTC [+] {8}	[19:53]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.06 = 1.8 BTC [+]	[19:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 11 @ 0.08799999 = 0.968 BTC [+] {3}	[19:59]
Mats_cd03	riotously funny in the sense that car accidents are amusing	[20:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.05415384 = 0.704 BTC [-] {3}	[20:03]
surfcapmgmt	Heavy volume on COG	[20:03]
surfcapmgmt	just resumed trading about an hour ago	[20:04]
kakobrekla	!t h cog	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 7D: 0.04899999 / 0.05613435 / 0.08800000 (131 shares, 7.35359994 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03278706 / 0.08800000 (1020 shares, 33.44280011 BTC)	[20:05]
kakobrekla	a whole 7 btc.	[20:05]
kakobrekla	heavy shit.	[20:05]
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surfcapmgmt	mmm hmmm	[20:05]
Apocalyptic	haha kako	[20:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12794 @ 0.00012477 = 1.5963 BTC [+] {18}	[20:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7371 @ 0.00014965 = 1.1031 BTC [+] {16}	[20:07]
surfcapmgmt	!t h AM1	[20:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.55013000 / 0.58130688 / 0.60809900 (80 shares, 46.50455064 BTC), 7D: 0.52200000 / 0.60393113 / 0.67470380 (734 shares, 443.28544940 BTC), 30D: 0.52200000 / 0.6116147 / 0.69510000 (3166 shares, 1936.37213073 BTC)	[20:07]
kakobrekla	;;gettrust surfcapmgmt	[20:07]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user surfcapmgmt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=surfcapmgmt \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=surfcapmgmt \| Rated since: never	[20:08]
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pankkake	I believe it's "idiot deluxe"	[20:09]
bounce	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mobile-payments-service-to-launch-this-month-9232906.html -- contrast with that other mobile payment thing, where the registration works the other way around	[20:09]
ozbot	Mobile payments service to launch this month - Business News - Business - The Independent	[20:09]
kakobrekla	yeah pankkake it seems so	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 100101 @ 0.0001681 = 16.827 BTC [+] {48}	[20:11]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 31869 @ 0.00017159 = 5.4684 BTC [+] {7}	[20:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0607 = 0.3035 BTC [-]	[20:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18118 @ 0.00019999 = 3.6234 BTC [+]	[20:16]
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pLambert	mircea_popescu: I just tried to post a comment on trilema, it says it only accepts comments from humans, what did I do wrong?	[20:18]
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antephialtic	tor exit node?	[20:20]
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mircea_popescu	either an old cached page or too quick post ?	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	tor dun do anything.	[20:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 21 @ 0.039 = 0.819 BTC [+]	[20:26]
dignork	pLambert, there is a capcha on a page, did you solve it?	[20:27]
surfcapmgmt	!t h COG	[20:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 7D: 0.01700007 / 0.05333935 / 0.08800000 (155 shares, 8.26760000 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03290881 / 0.08800000 (1044 shares, 34.35680017 BTC)	[20:27]
pLambert	hmm, didn't see a captcha	[20:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 14 @ 0.02534213 = 0.3548 BTC [-] {8}	[20:28]
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benkay	surfcapmgmt: welcome to -assets.	[20:29]
pLambert	I don't see any captcha, oh well, I guess you will never see my deeply insightful comment :(	[20:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0428 = 0.642 BTC [-]	[20:30]
jurov	pLambert: just reload and retry	[20:31]
pLambert	basically, I was saying I look forward to a Hillary/M Obama vs Rand Paul/Justin Amash debate. in many more words	[20:31]
pLambert	reloaded, still don't see any captcha	[20:31]
jurov	i don't remember any captcha, just retrying usually works	[20:32]
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the20year2	amash would be a great choice	[20:34]
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antephialtic	hahaha. if you think rand paul (if he ever gets nominated, which is unlikely but not entirely impossible) would nominate amash you are deluded.	[20:36]
benkay	clinton + warren?	[20:37]
antephialtic	nah, clinton won't want someone who will make her look conservative in comparison	[20:37]
pLambert	amash will just barely be old enough, born in 1980	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	pLambert there's no captcha tho	[20:37]
pLambert	then why does it think i am inhuman?	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	just try again, but make sure you use a fresh copy of a page, and count to 5 before submitting	[20:38]
pLambert	meh, I am over it now	[20:38]
antephialtic	rand paul's VP would be a safe establishment pick. Something like paul ryan. Maybe even John McCain	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema antispam	[20:38]
gribble	Noiembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Orice cuplu functional… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Mai 2009 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	meh	[20:38]
pLambert	blech, I hate McCain	[20:38]
antephialtic	hillary would pick a white dude. someone from the midwest or south.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress/	[20:39]
ozbot	Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:39]
pLambert	I don't think Paul is going to pick a VP who has a record of calling him a "wacko bird"	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	there, it's explained how it works..	[20:39]
antephialtic	well I don't think paul will get nominated so it doesn't matter. I like paul as much as the next guy, but the big money republicans don't like him even if the tea party libertarian set does	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	and the republican vote is going to be split no matter what. the old reps have no actual incentive to submit to the tea party, even if the party ends with them. the tea party has zero incentive to "work through the system"	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	so anyone the democrats propose gets it in 2016.	[20:40]
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antephialtic	but: democrats are looking like they might get crushed in the midterms	[20:40]
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mircea_popescu	congress and presidency, different things.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	theres going to be a landslide dem president with a 2/3+ teaparty majority house and senate	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	then congress gets written out of politics and merriment ensues.	[20:41]
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antephialtic	yes, but important for future of US. more divided government = more unproductive petty politics, more kicking the big problems down the road, less stability, US bonds get downgraded again, yadda yadda yadda	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	nah, that's how it worked till now.	[20:42]
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mircea_popescu	things are going to come to a head tho, much like venezuela's internal debate.	[20:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042805 = 0.1712 BTC [+] {2}	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	pLambert see that time it worked.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	you probably wrote your thing in a notepad then pasted it in and submitted. that's 90% of what makes legitimate folks get called inhuman.	[20:44]
pLambert	hmm, not sure why it didn't work before, I had follwed a link out of the -asset logs, would that affect anything?	[20:44]
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pLambert	no notepad, I just typed into the comment field	[20:44]
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pLambert	The other thing I wanted to mention is when you villify old women, that should be directed at selfish haggy types and not selfless grandmotherly types.	[20:45]
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pLambert	but you can probably find a nice dichotomy in any group using selfish/selfless criterion	[20:47]
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mircea_popescu	pLambert odd. nah link shouldn't have affected nuttin	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	btw kakobrekla would you consider changing log link structure from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-04-2014 to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/02-Apr-2014/ or something and adding a xml sitemap for google so that it index it all anbd you dont have to implement asearch button ?	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	pLambert not that many grandmothers in politics which was the general context	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	not sure the dichotomy is altruism either.	[21:02]
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pLambert	right, your point is correct, people who end up as nice grandmothers spend to much time raising children to rise in politics	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	macbeth, the prototype, is not discussable in those terms for instance	[21:03]
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pLambert	macbeth is the prototype of what?	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	the haggly political woman.	[21:03]
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pLambert	I don't follow?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	you seen the play ?	[21:04]
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mike_c	google indexes the logs. i search them all the time	[21:07]
pLambert	yes, I saw MacBeth, but it was a long time ago	[21:07]
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mircea_popescu	so take the lady out sometime, it's still a great play.	[21:08]
mike_c	;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com neobee	[21:08]
gribble	NEXT: 24-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 21-09-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: ; NEXT: 25-02-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log:	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	fuck me google much progressed. i stand corrected.	[21:08]
pankkake	sitemaps allow for perfect and fast indexing though	[21:08]
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pLambert	Just went out last weekend to see Les Mis, all local talent, was much better singing than the hollywood movie last year.	[21:09]
pankkake	http://i.imgur.com/h5xi9KL.jpg too bad I can't change my avatar	[21:09]
pLambert	anyway, how does MacBeth relate to anything?	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	well how am i going to explain that if you don't know the play ;/	[21:10]
asciilifeform	pankkake: is that... turdmeister?	[21:10]
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pankkake	yeah	[21:10]
pLambert	I remember the general plot	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	so tell it to me	[21:10]
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bounce	what, you're modeling your NWO on shakespeare plays without knowing the plot?	[21:11]
pLambert	iirc, macbeth tries to take over scotland, everybody dies in the end	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	yea, i'm hoping assets makes the cliffnotes for me o.O	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	pLambert well that's not much.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	"Stop up th’ access and passage to remorse,"	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	that stuff.	[21:12]
Urushiol	any word on HIF dividends / earnings yet? If I understand correctly, it should be more than 3 months' worth.	[21:12]
pLambert	wikipedia "Consumed by ambition and spurred to action by his wife, Macbeth murders King Duncan and takes the throne for himself. He is then wracked with guilt and paranoia, and he soon becomes a tyrannical ruler as he is forced to commit more and more murders to protect himself from enmity and suspicion. The bloodbath and consequent civil war swiftly take Macbeth and Lady Macbeth into the realms of arrogance, madness, and dea	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	Urushiol we're awaiting it with bated breath	[21:13]
mike_c	asciilifeform: i believe i've heard you talk about this before, but i can't remember the specifics. If I generated and published say 20,000 adddresses out of a single wallet do you think I am leaking anything that would significantly hurt the security of that wallet?	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	pLambert not the guy. his wife.	[21:13]
pLambert	basically what I said	[21:13]
benkay`	mike_c: what is a wallet?	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	lady macbeth dood, we're discussing women in politics here.	[21:13]
asciilifeform	mike_c: if you do this, you will live or die by your RNG.	[21:13]
pLambert	his wife starts the murders, pushes him into action	[21:13]
mike_c	sorry, a specific set of keys	[21:13]
asciilifeform	mike_c: see the android btc wallet incident.	[21:13]
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pLambert	so, she is trying to take scotland for her family, therefore selfish and fit for politics rather than grandmothering, so my point stands	[21:14]
mike_c	i remember that, i'll dig it up. thanks.	[21:14]
asciilifeform	incidentally	[21:14]
asciilifeform	all public-key crypto lives and dies by rng	[21:14]
asciilifeform	not only, as commonly supposed, for key gen	[21:14]
pLambert	HIF guy said report should be out by 10th	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	pLambert or conversely, she is trying to promote her hubby, so selfless and your point fails.	[21:14]
asciilifeform	but for signature nonces	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	kinda what happens when you try to measure things by orthogonal measures.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	"how thick is a width of a meter ?" "dude dunno, as thick as the wind blowing may make it seem. otherwise, it's wide"	[21:15]
Urushiol	mircea_popescu: what I find particularly surprising is that it wasn't calculated by the community already, given volume is available through the API	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	Urushiol "community" is made out of law specialists not math specialists :D	[21:15]
asciilifeform	and not only signature, but small bits of encryption as well. anyone who doesn't grasp this mustn't wait, but open a textbook and work out what happens if you rsa a small bit of whatever, without padding.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	;;google are you the brain specialist	[21:15]
gribble	Monty Python - Gumby Brain Specialist - YouTube: ; Gumby brain specialist - YouTube: ; Monty Python - Brain Surgery - YouTube:	[21:15]
mike_c	bitbet has certainly published a lot of their addresses by now. hopefully they have good RNG!	[21:16]
pLambert	asciilifeform: I don't think you can just take volume, who knows how much they will take out for expenses?	[21:16]
asciilifeform	volume?	[21:16]
asciilifeform	i think i missed something	[21:16]
Urushiol	mircea_popescu: it would require coding specialists mostly, which we have already. just get volume for each fund in that time frame and apply HIF's percentage returns. I haven't finished my Python quite yet, otherwise I would attack it.	[21:16]
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Urushiol	pLambert: it will give you a max though	[21:18]
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Urushiol	and take their projected expenses as assumptions	[21:18]
pLambert	yes, right. so what is that amount?	[21:18]
Urushiol	I believe it's in the prospectus, no? It was months ago that I read it last so I can't recall for certain.	[21:19]
pLambert	oops, should have responded to Urushol, not asciilifeform	[21:19]
Urushiol	that's what I thought you meant.	[21:19]
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mircea_popescu	i think two unrelated convos became cojoined at the hip here	[21:20]
pLambert	isn't that how irc is supposed to work?	[21:21]
Urushiol	purple, I think	[21:21]
Urushiol	:)	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	irc i dunno, but science often does.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	wtf is a 'coding specialist' - like a programmer, but moar fashion?	[21:26]
asciilifeform	(perhaps i ought to know better than to ask such questions...)	[21:27]
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asciilifeform	feels a little like the '90s american fashion of calling janitor 'building engineer'	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	was a hooker called a "slime technician" ?	[21:28]
asciilifeform	i've actually seen people describe employing 'programmers' and 'coders' both	[21:28]
asciilifeform	the latter usually referring to a 'human compiler'	[21:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.0075 = 0.315 BTC [+]	[21:29]
asciilifeform	a human compiler is a kind of wretch, usually overseas, who is nominally paid to turn 'human' language spec into a program.	[21:29]
asciilifeform	the results, for those who have not witnessed this personally, are usually exactly what one would expect.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	sounds a lot like elance or w/e	[21:30]
asciilifeform	int add1(int x) {if (x == 1) 2 ....	[21:31]
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asciilifeform	this is one of those things where i can't help but think that anyone who pays for it - deserves what he gets	[21:32]
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kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555854.0	[21:44]
ozbot	Bitstamp going paranoid about ID verification	[21:44]
kakobrekla	lel, moar of this.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	'submit a high resolution image of yourself holding your ID' << anyone else reminded of '419 baiting' ?	[21:45]
asciilifeform	or, for that matter, arsecoin	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	yeah lol	[21:46]
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Namworld	I know about Bitstamp verifications... it's lulzy. They ask for more dox than the government itself or banks.	[21:49]
Namworld	Soon they'll ask for blood samples.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	there's an excellent point about fraud management made by an actual competent person long ago	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/adnotated-words-of-wisdom-on-the-topic-of-online-fraud/	[21:51]
ozbot	Adnotated words of wisdom on the topic of online fraud pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	obviously clueless kids left to reproduce irl the emperor of flies circus going on in their head wouldn't know about it.	[21:51]
Namworld	Too much fraud management = zero actual customers, all fraudsters with fake docs?	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	uyp	[21:52]
bounce	"congress gets written out of politics" how?	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	Legitimate Customers	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	You can’t stop all fraud. Some will get through your defenses. Currency exchange profit margins are too narrow to absorb much of it, so you need a healthy legitimate customer base across whom you can distribute those costs. As chargebacks come in, it’s tempting to focus entirely on eliminating fraud. Unfortunately, that focus inconveniences legitimate customers so much that they go elsewhere.	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	bounce presidential order.	[21:52]
bounce	"coding specialist" is someone who knows about "line coding" and such. more or less what the w3c tried (and inevitably failed) to conveniently can with xml	[21:53]
bounce	you know, discering a signal, framing, all that jazz	[21:53]
bounce	presidential order kicking out congress? that's going to be some riot.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	hardly.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	congress lost most legislative power already, gradually.	[21:58]
benkay```	most likely it'll start small with some executive order overriding some congressional mandate.	[21:58]
benkay```	wow how'd i get to three tacks	[21:58]
benkay```	internet is wacky today	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	recently they tried to enforce the power of the purse and were made a mockery of for it.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	not even the point that it failed, their attempt, but congressional dignity proved an empty word.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	that was a test, it was failed, congress is going away.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	the only way out was toi have obama hung for the crows to peck at for two months, on capitol hill.	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	admittedly a bar too high.	[21:59]
pLambert	bounce: already the president makes executive orders to do whatever he wants	[22:00]
bounce	not too much on the promises made though	[22:00]
bounce	that deliberate then?	[22:00]
pLambert	promises? you mean the things Obama said he would do, and then didn't do even though he clearly has the authority to do them already?	[22:01]
bounce	I s'pose nobody cared since he got re-elected regardless. oh well.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	but seriously, i tell you you can't have a new car and you close down the fucking parks in response ?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	that's it, you can't have electricity anymore either.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	complete defunding of everything starting right now.	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	no secret service, no airforce one, no white house. go check into an 8ball motel.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	think it through.	[22:05]
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bounce	s/ven/sn/	[22:07]
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mircea_popescu	o yeah, which reminds me, how is ven, the revolutionary currency of the internet nefario discovered somewhere ?	[22:09]
kakobrekla	http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/v2/pair/ven/eur/kraken/10-days	[22:11]
ozbot	VEN / EUR (VEN/EUR) price chart, 10-days, Kraken	[22:11]
Namworld	Ah yes, this point about too much security/regulation is excellent.	[22:12]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla aha! i wish i remembered what it was supposed to be trading for back in 2012	[22:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00386208 = 0.4248 BTC [-] {7}	[22:14]
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dexx	Apocalyptic: what's up with bitcoinstrings.com?	[22:14]
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kakobrekla	kraken will trade you dead grandmother if the logo is nice.	[22:15]
Apocalyptic	dexx, why would I know ?	[22:15]
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dexx	isn't this your website? and nvm: it's back up for me now	[22:15]
Apocalyptic	it's not	[22:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.041899 = 0.6285 BTC [-]	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	"Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing."	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	ah the guy's so good.	[22:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0416 = 0.2496 BTC [-] {2}	[22:17]
Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=506332.0	[22:18]
ozbot	[WTS] 1981 DeLorean DMC-12	[22:18]
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pLambert	"Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager." How much do you need to bet to get a bitbet accepted?	[22:28]
nubbins`	depends	[22:28]
nubbins`	what was your bet?	[22:28]
benkay```	Mircea Popescu will be arrested and extradited to the US in 2014	[22:29]
benkay```	Rejection reason: If you're going to play the cool internet cat, go get some BTC, then submit your retardation with paid wager.	[22:29]
pankkake	ahah http://bitbet.us/propositions/	[22:29]
benkay```	^^ nubbins`	[22:29]
pankkake	first time I see such rejection	[22:29]
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pankkake	I like this bet	[22:30]
nubbins`	heh	[22:30]
nubbins`	pLambert "Consider submitting with substantial paid wager" is a common rejection reason. not sure if there's a cut-and-dry minimum, but i've seen bets with 0.0x btc on either side	[22:31]
pLambert	I thought the guys at bitcointalk who are so sure MP is going to get dragged across the ocean would like to put some money on it?	[22:32]
TomServo	haha, Pussy Riot publicly beaten on video by July 25, 2014	[22:32]
TomServo	Didn't that actually happen?	[22:32]
pLambert	I don't think they allow bets about people getting hurt or killed?	[22:32]
nubbins`	TomServo yes	[22:33]
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nubbins`	bunch of cossacks whipped them with knotted ropes	[22:33]
nubbins`	pLambert ah, too true	[22:33]
pankkake	yeah but the tough bitcointalk guys don't bet	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	pLambert bitbet charges 1% of the pool, and puts .1 btc on the new bets.	[22:34]
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nubbins`	someone could just put 100btc on yes and then fly to russia and beat the shit out of them	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	thus if submitter places a 10btc bet he is in effect going "i'm not tryin' to mooch ya"	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	and there was some derpage about s.mpoe falling on the forum if i recall	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	turned out the guy's budget was maybe .1 or something like that.	[22:35]
nubbins`	pLambert: also, the btctalk crowd who would love to see MP extradited also probably would never send a single satoshi to bitbet, purely on principle	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah, it'd totally be the principle :p	[22:35]
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nubbins`	i'm being diplomatic ;D	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	reminds me of the principled 20somethings that are on a diet	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	the incidental that they can't afford food anyway notwithstanding	[22:36]
nubbins`	heh.	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	tis a matter of principle.	[22:36]
pankkake	it's not that they don't have the funds, I've offered very small bets. it's that they don't even believe themselves	[22:36]
pLambert	but it might be useful to bet on yes, cause who knows what will happen to mpex investments if mp gets arrested, sort of a hedge?	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	"mp arrested for the crime of being mean to forum dwellers and bureaucrats"	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	sounds like a ton of publicity.	[22:37]
nubbins`	pLambert expound plz	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	while he does i wanna pontificate on the following theme :	[22:39]
pLambert	well, say you have some shares of s.mpoe. If mp gets arrested, their price will go down, I think. so if you bet that mp will get arrested, it will offset the loss from your shares?	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	since about the 90s or so, basic us education has been filtering quite perversely : you get an a or a+ for succeeding at the task, usually an a or rarely a b "for effort" by delivering a credible simulacra of having tried, and an f or rarely a c for actually trying and failing.	[22:39]
nubbins`	well you're making some assumptions there	[22:39]
nubbins`	namely that bitbet would continue to function	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	this has resulted in a generationful of people who can do nothing but and nothing other than "convincingly" trying.	[22:40]
pLambert	heh, good point. I assume it will function without mp?	[22:40]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu the true horror of this situation won't be realized for another few decades	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	pLambert if one then why not the other as well ?	[22:40]
nubbins`	^	[22:41]
nubbins`	conversely, if not mpoe, why not bitbet?	[22:41]
pLambert	failling and shares dropping are not exactly the same	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` indeed. i routinely meet 20somethings who have not actually tried ANYTHING the past decade.	[22:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0607 = 0.3642 BTC [-]	[22:41]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu trying things isn't required. i have a CS degree even though i only made two working programs during the course of my degree	[22:41]
nubbins`	had to teach myself, essentially from scratch	[22:41]
pankkake	two working programs? that's better than most	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	so in this sense, as far as the forum is concerned, having made that bet proposition is good enough.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	even if the world laughs at them, they've... tried.	[22:42]
jborkl	mircea, to go along with your point - I send my kids to private school 6 and 4 years old. The 6 year old can do algebra, multiplication, read, write and knows some of the periodic table < public school peers are very far behind	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	i believe you.	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	where's this ?	[22:42]
nubbins`	all childs left behind	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` exactly like venezuela, you knoiw ? "we've reduced inequality, everyone has the same amt of toilet paper now"	[22:43]
nubbins`	pLambert: so mp gets rendered, bitbet.us shows a DoJ logo. what now?	[22:43]
jborkl	Texas, the state has a robin hood theory	[22:43]
jborkl	to take from wealthy districts to prop up the poor	[22:43]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu "if you don't have enough toilet paper feel free to use the barrel of this rifle"	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	bitbet2.us pops up.	[22:43]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu stop stealing answers ;(	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	lmao!	[22:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06059002 = 1.2118 BTC [-] {2}	[22:44]
nubbins`	tbh seizing domains is such a non-problem	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	no but this is the beauty of it. bitbet is... well... public.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing to steal.	[22:44]
nubbins`	i mean, look at the pirate bay. most reviled website in history	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	redirect it all you want, tomorrow any one of you can host it just as well.	[22:45]
nubbins`	still standing 11 years later	[22:45]
pankkake	http://thepiratebay.se/legal	[22:46]
nubbins`	^^^	[22:46]
bounce	it is a problem if, say, kansas or ohio judges order domains seized from overseas companies that do things perfectly legal there	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	did they updarte it ?	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	i recall that page was hilarious a decade ago	[22:46]
pankkake	I don't think there's new stuff	[22:47]
nubbins`	bounce: it's a .us domain, they can do what they want with it :P	[22:47]
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pankkake	TPB isn't such a high profile target anymore too	[22:47]
nubbins`	that said, who cares what TLD is used	[22:47]
bounce	(relatedly, peeps getting into a right tizzy for having their .ly domains rescinded because they're clearly against the local customs in .ly)	[22:47]
nubbins`	pankkake mostly because they realized they were trying to box the wind	[22:47]
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nubbins`	doesn't quite matter how good your left hook is, y'know?	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	pankkake what's strangest to my eyes, really, is that in 2004 the attitude of piratebay was directly obvious to the average net denizen.	[22:48]
nubbins`	;;google .ly tld	[22:48]
gribble	.ly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; NIC.LY - Libya ccTLD...: ; ly Domains - International Domain Registration:	[22:48]
bounce	'twas .com and .net, IIRC. those aren't supposed to be ".us", it was just that the registrar is conveniently a us company	[22:48]
nubbins`	libya!	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	today, the attitude of tardstalk is quite the opposite	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	what a coupla bad us presidents do to the world.	[22:48]
pankkake	maybe money is the root of all evil	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	either that or lazy stupidity.	[22:48]
nubbins`	nah	[22:49]
nubbins`	the root of money is the root of all evil	[22:49]
bounce	what's that say about the bunch that breathe the "follow the money" mantra and came up with AML?	[22:49]
nubbins`	might as well take it to brass tacks	[22:49]
Mats_cd03	my dong is the root of all evil	[22:50]
nubbins`	Mats_cd03 is that because it's the size of a stack of dimes?	[22:50]
pankkake	nubbins`: yes, this as been tpb's strategy too: it DECENTRALIZED itself!!!	[22:50]
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nubbins`	;;google jumpin jesus tonight	[22:51]
gribble	'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts worldwide laughs ... - CBC: ; Canadian has a typical 'Irish mammy' reaction to her son getting ...: ; 'Jumping Jesus' snowbound video prompts (1 more message)	[22:51]
Mats_cd03	its also the same thickness	[22:51]
nubbins`	^ apparently this has caused quite the international stir	[22:51]
nubbins`	if you wanna hear a thick newfoundland accent, that's as good a place as any to start	[22:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00556115 = 0.5895 BTC [-] {3}	[22:54]
nubbins`	MUDDER I'M STUCK	[22:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31274 @ 0.00096001 = 30.0234 BTC [-] {2}	[22:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45426 @ 0.00095819 = 43.5267 BTC [-] {2}	[22:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599 = 0.1797 BTC [+]	[22:58]
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nubbins`	ehhh	[23:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00562121 = 0.1293 BTC [+] {3}	[23:01]
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nubbins`	not even a good one-off quip	[23:01]
nubbins`	let alone something that gets cummed out every time you quit irc	[23:02]
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Mats_cd03	ur so dirty	[23:03]
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nubbins`	imagine the unfiltered version	[23:05]
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Duffer1	Mircea Popescu i believe a Clinton/Warren ticket would be far more likely	[23:13]
Duffer1	er mircea_popescu ^	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	jack warrem ? which warren ?	[23:17]
Duffer1	elizabeth	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	a hm	[23:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.0009616 = 8.0294 BTC [+]	[23:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]	[23:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]	[23:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0599999 = 0.18 BTC [+]	[23:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]	[23:28]
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Mats_cd03	lol	[23:34]
Mats_cd03	it would amuse me to see that	[23:35]
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Mats_cd03	but unlikely	[23:35]
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dexx	https://github.com/sipa/bips/blob/e04e99c315dd4067e267b62f84c9eeffeeccf94e/bip-0042.mediawiki#details unlimited bitcoin for everyone ;) (fixed btw now)	[23:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050004 = 0.121 BTC [-]	[23:40]
nubbins`	heh, good find	[23:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.60799998 = 1.216 BTC [+]	[23:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.608099 = 2.4324 BTC [+]	[23:49]
Namworld	http://i.imgur.com/3e2khf9.jpg	[23:50]
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dexx	^ kinda disturbing	[23:51]
Namworld	Yes. But hilarious.	[23:52]
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