Forum logs for 02 Oct 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 50 @ 0.03 = 1.5 BTC [+] [00:00]
PsychoticBoy ok so then I dont get the problem you closing due to move.to [00:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00036653 = 10.8859 BTC [+] [00:01]
PsychoticBoy so you just want to get out [00:02]
PsychoticBoy ok clear [00:02]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0035 = 0.0175 BTC [-] [00:03]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0035 = 0.0175 BTC [-] [00:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.24989966 BTC [+] [00:06]
Obsi usagi: FUTUREFUND is worth 0 [00:07]
Obsi it was closed out and delisted, can't be traded from what I know [00:07]
assbot [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 22 @ 0.02502 = 0.5504 BTC [+] [00:10]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.0109 = 0.0218 BTC [-] [00:11]
Bugpowder !ticker B.MPCD.B [00:13]
assbot [MPEX:B.MPCD.B] 1day: 0.00099998 / 0.00100051 / 0.00100157 (60000 shares, 60.03 BTC), 30day: 0.00099998 / 0.00101132 / 0.00102622 (504009 shares, 509.72 BTC) [00:13]
assbot [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 1 @ 0.02502 BTC [+] [00:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 21 @ 0.025 = 0.525 BTC [-] [00:15]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.01100001 = 0.022 BTC [+] [00:21]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.011 = 0.044 BTC [-] [00:21]
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BTC-Mining how so? [00:25]
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rdponticelli Starfish defaulted too? [00:25]
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rdponticelli Or are you talking about BDK? [00:26]
Bugpowder starfish reduced interest rate [00:27]
rdponticelli Yeah, long ago [00:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00036629 = 6.4833 BTC [-] [00:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 66 @ 0.011 = 0.726 BTC [-] [00:27]
BTC-Mining How is that a default? [00:27]
rdponticelli And is slowly repaying withdrawals [00:27]
Bugpowder it was totally undervalued [00:28]
dub because people can show problems with your accounting? [00:29]
dub because you play weird identity games? [00:29]
BTC-Mining Erhm, you're not a deposit taker as far as I know? [00:29]
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BTC-Mining So how is that relevent? Other than deposit takes, plenty are not defaulting. [00:29]
knotwork_ Are puts and calls both actually the exact same thing with the pair reversed? So e.g. a USD/BTC put is equally referrable to as a BTC/USD call? [00:31]
BTC-Mining [17:29] lolz dub, people who don't understand accrual or cost basis accounting should be banned from the forums [00:31]
BTC-Mining Isn't it you who claims all stock markets are a zero/negative sum game? [00:31]
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knotwork I am windering because if so, coding need not code two separate strategies one to offer puts one to offer calls, instead just reversing the pair the exact same code could be used [00:33]
knotwork s/windering/wondering/ [00:33]
BTC-Mining knotwork, I am unsure what you mean but... [00:33]
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BTC-Mining with calls, the lower under the stock price it goes, the better, opposite for puts. [00:34]
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knotwork well if you obligate me to buy X at a cetrain price as denominated in Y, isnt that the same as obligating me to sell Y to you at a certain price denominated in X ? [00:34]
BTC-Mining stock > struck* [00:34]
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BTC-Mining Hmm... formula for call is (Current price - Struck price)/current price [00:36]
knotwork BTC-Mining well for eample if you buy from me a put entitling you to put 10 IBM for 1 AAPL on certain date, isnt that the same as buying a call entitling you to buy 1 AAPL for 10 IBM at that same date? [00:36]
BTC-Mining Is it for MPEx? [00:37]
knotwork or if you but a put entitling you to sell me 12 dollars for 1 bitcoin on a certain date, isnt that identical to buying a call entitling you to buy 1 bitcoin from me for 12 dollars on that date? [00:37]
knotwork no this is generically for code to handle puts and calls of any X priced in terms of any Y [00:37]
BTC-Mining I'd guess but... ask mircea_popescu [00:38]
BTC-Mining He knows about options [00:38]
knotwork it seems to me at a glance that a put to sell X for a price in Y is identical to a call to buy Y at a price in X [00:38]
BTC-Mining and it doesn't seem to work that way. [00:38]
knotwork I suspect favourite/local currency preference is only reason it does not work that way most places [00:39]
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knotwork since most places have one asset they think of as "money" and all other assets are "commodities" or "foreign currencies" to buy and sell with prices expressed in the "local favourite" [00:39]
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knotwork but if you are agnostic about assets, as Open Transactions is, any asset can be used to buy any other asset [00:40]
knotwork no forcing people to do two trades, one from asset A into local currency asset then another to buy asset B with that local currency [00:40]
BTC-Mining Example, if I buy a call option struck at 1 USD/BTC and the price is currently 12 USD/BTC when redeemed, the redeem value is (12 - 1)/12 = 0.91666667 BTC [00:41]
knotwork instead just directly offer a price for B expressed in A [00:41]
BTC-Mining Which is confusing me because that's now how I understood options but anyway. [00:41]
knotwork I suspect a big reason for intruding local currency between all assets is simply to double the fees [00:42]
knotwork since the house takes a fee on each trade, they prefer you sell A for local currency paying a fee then buy B paying a fee instead of just trading A for B [00:42]
knotwork also of course they like the fee to be in local currency maybe not some tiny bit of A and/or B neither of which they may be particularly fond of [00:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.2726 BTC [-] [00:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [RSM] 1 @ 0.2725 BTC [-] [00:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [RSM] 5 @ 0.272 = 1.36 BTC [-] [00:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.27 = 0.54 BTC [-] [00:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [RSM] 2 @ 0.267 = 0.534 BTC [-] [00:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [RSM] 10 @ 0.263 = 2.63 BTC [-] [00:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [RSM] 5 @ 0.262 = 1.31 BTC [-] [00:43]
knotwork I am actually surprised that just the lack of percentage fees in Open Transactions isnt causing customers to be pressing hard for development of the clients to make it easier for them to take advantage of the lack of percentage fees on all trades [00:43]
Bugpowder great I cannot sell anything on MPEX [00:44]
Bugpowder wtf [00:44]
Bugpowder can anyone execute a sell order on MPEX right now? [00:47]
Bugpowder single share? [00:47]
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BTC-Mining What do I know [00:49]
Bugpowder Can anyone else sell a share on MPEX? I'm getting an 'insufficient funds' message. [00:50]
rg do you uh... have funds in it [00:51]
Bugpowder yes [00:51]
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Bugpowder I have shares. Can't sell a single share of any asset [00:51]
Bugpowder though I only have .0007 BTC in account [00:51]
mod6 Check your STAT. [00:51]
Bugpowder but that should still be enough to pay for it [00:51]
Bugpowder STAT is fine [00:52]
mod6 you still might have to cover a trade fee [00:52]
mod6 ? ask mp [00:52]
Bugpowder seems afk [00:52]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2500 @ 0.00044183 = 1.1046 BTC [-] [00:52]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.00044183 = 2.2975 BTC [-] [00:52]
Bugpowder well [00:52]
Bugpowder then [00:52]
Bugpowder somebody can [00:52]
BTC-Mining so it can cover a 0.35 sale. Guess that's enough for almost anything [00:52]
BTC-Mining No clue [00:52]
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assbot [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.48999996 BTC [+] [00:59]
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assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.1099999 = 1.43 BTC [+] [01:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 400 @ 0.00044183 = 0.1767 BTC [-] [01:18]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4211 @ 0.00044183 = 1.8605 BTC [-] [01:18]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3200 @ 0.00044183 = 1.4139 BTC [-] [01:18]
dub jesus H crimminey christ in a crimson cabriolet, its international blasphemy day [01:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 9 @ 0.02502 = 0.2252 BTC [+] [01:21]
assbot [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 96 @ 0.025 = 2.4 BTC [-] [01:21]
assbot [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 95 @ 0.01253 = 1.1904 BTC [-] [01:21]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 200 @ 0.003799 = 0.7598 BTC [+] [01:26]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 1 @ 0.13999898 BTC [+] [01:28]
assbot [GLBSE] [GMVT-BOT] 19 @ 0.13999899 = 2.66 BTC [+] [01:28]
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assbot [GLBSE] [NASTY] 6 @ 0.4539 = 2.7234 BTC [+] [01:31]
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Bugpowder WELL THEN - http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jpmorgan-sued-york-over-mortgage-221510528.html [01:41]
Bugpowder Since the SEC has no balls, glad Schneiderman does [01:41]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 1 @ 0.88799999 BTC [+] [01:42]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 2 @ 0.888 = 1.776 BTC [+] [01:42]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.8989 = 2.6967 BTC [+] [01:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28264 @ 0.00036629 = 10.3528 BTC [-] [01:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00036578 = 8.0472 BTC [-] [01:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.00036546 = 6.7139 BTC [-] [01:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 10 @ 0.00389 = 0.0389 BTC [-] [01:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.40100001 BTC [-] [01:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00036653 = 9.8963 BTC [+] [02:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30626 @ 0.00036664 = 11.2287 BTC [+] [02:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6374 @ 0.0003671 = 2.3399 BTC [+] [02:08]
assbot [GLBSE] [SILVER] 1 @ 0.00999998 BTC [+] [02:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10810001 = 0.5405 BTC [-] [02:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.1081 = 0.9729 BTC [-] [02:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10706 = 0.2141 BTC [-] [02:25]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.1061 = 0.3183 BTC [-] [02:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1061 = 0.7427 BTC [-] [02:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.106 = 1.06 BTC [-] [02:32]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 9497 @ 0.00044184 = 4.1962 BTC [+] [02:33]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1003 @ 0.00044184 = 0.4432 BTC [+] [02:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.105001 = 0.315 BTC [-] [02:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-] [02:42]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GOLD] 1 @ 0.0095 BTC [-] [02:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [GOLD] 17 @ 0.00920001 = 0.1564 BTC [-] [02:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [MU] 1 @ 0.1899 BTC [-] [02:45]
assbot [GLBSE] [FDBF] 20 @ 0.149253 = 2.9851 BTC [+] [02:46]
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assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.11139999 = 0.557 BTC [+] [02:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1114 = 0.6684 BTC [+] [02:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1115 = 0.223 BTC [+] [02:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8429 @ 0.00036546 = 3.0805 BTC [-] [02:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44271 @ 0.0003652 = 16.1678 BTC [-] [02:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.1114 = 0.6684 BTC [-] [03:03]
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assbot [GLBSE] [TEEK.USD] 1 @ 0.0777 BTC [+] [03:21]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 689 @ 0.00044183 = 0.3044 BTC [-] [03:24]
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assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.43334 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.43284 = 0.8657 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 9 @ 0.4101 = 3.6909 BTC [-] [03:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 4 @ 0.41 = 1.64 BTC [-] [03:31]
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assbot [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.10169999 BTC [-] [03:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 1 @ 0.1017 BTC [+] [03:35]
mircea_popescu knotwork no they're not identical, they're opposite really. [03:35]
knotwork how so? [03:36]
knotwork you buying from me IS me selling to you surely? [03:37]
mircea_popescu yes. but if i buy a put that means i make money if price goes under strike [03:37]
mircea_popescu if you buy a sell that means you make money if price goes over strike [03:37]
knotwork that is different buyer [03:37]
knotwork I meant, given you are buying a call or put, what is different between you buying a put USD for price in BTC or you buying a call BTC for corresponding price in USD? [03:38]
knotwork possibly the asset in which you pay the fee [03:38]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 3 @ 0.975 = 2.925 BTC [+] [03:38]
knotwork but you could pay the fee in bubblegum or francs or anything, how much you pay for the option does not change the option itself [03:39]
knotwork it seems like my code for how to handle/resolve a call of X priced in Y should be identical to my code for how to handle a put of Y priced in X [03:40]
knotwork just switch the X and Y to switch between call and put [03:40]
mircea_popescu well yea [03:40]
mircea_popescu in that sense [03:40]
knotwork ok good. as what I am trying to figure out is generic code for asset A and asset B calls and puts for any A and B [03:41]
knotwork with any price you pay to buy the option being payable in any asset at all probably [03:41]
knotwork like hey I will pay one AAPL for an option to sell 100 IBM for 50 CISCO [03:41]
knotwork or whatever [03:42]
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knotwork mostly trying to figure out how much of what such a contract would have to take into its internal variables as collateral to be sure it can pay out come payout time [03:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.01230375 = 0.0246 BTC [+] [03:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56457 @ 0.00036596 = 20.661 BTC [+] [03:48]
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assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 3 @ 0.21140027 = 0.6342 BTC [-] [03:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2114 BTC [-] [03:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2112 BTC [-] [03:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.211 BTC [-] [03:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2108 BTC [-] [03:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2106 BTC [-] [03:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.2104 BTC [-] [03:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 2 @ 0.2102 = 0.4204 BTC [-] [03:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-] [03:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 1 @ 0.21140028 BTC [+] [03:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.B] 9 @ 0.21 = 1.89 BTC [-] [03:55]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05 BTC [-] [03:56]
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assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 2 @ 0.12070001 = 0.2414 BTC [-] [04:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 1 @ 0.1207 BTC [-] [04:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 6 @ 0.1205 = 0.723 BTC [-] [04:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 8 @ 0.1002 = 0.8016 BTC [-] [04:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [NYAN.C] 40 @ 0.1 = 4 BTC [-] [04:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [MMM] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [+] [04:08]
BTC-Mining Looking for stocks to buy. Over 200 BTC available. [04:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12936 @ 0.00036644 = 4.7403 BTC [+] [04:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8747 @ 0.0003652 = 3.1944 BTC [-] [04:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00036495 = 5.5107 BTC [-] [04:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18617 @ 0.00036413 = 6.779 BTC [-] [04:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 1 @ 0.14210003 BTC [-] [04:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [MMM] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+] [04:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11038498 BTC [-] [04:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.11038498 = 0.6623 BTC [-] [04:16]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11038499 = 0.2208 BTC [+] [04:16]
assbot [GLBSE] [ZETA-MINING] 2 @ 0.14210002 = 0.2842 BTC [-] [04:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 14705 @ 0.0034 = 49.997 BTC [+] [04:23]
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Bugpowder https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101902.500 [04:31]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.0038 = 0.038 BTC [+] [04:32]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 10 @ 0.00388 = 0.0388 BTC [+] [04:32]
Bugpowder so funny [04:32]
Bugpowder don't people already know htat [04:33]
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grubles ? [04:34]
mircea_popescu aha so evoorhees announced 2k profit for sept. [04:35]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 1 @ 0.00389 BTC [-] [04:37]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 60 @ 0.00388 = 0.2328 BTC [+] [04:37]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07849999 = 0.314 BTC [+] [04:37]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 15 @ 0.0785 = 1.1775 BTC [+] [04:37]
mircea_popescu Has anybody else noticed the contracts os assets on MPEx are much better than the ones on GLBSE? I don't want to get into a debate about exchanges, but having a decent and detailed contract is a good sign for an asset. [04:42]
mircea_popescu my god, people are starting to notice. [04:42]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.55720001 = 1.1144 BTC [+] [04:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5572 BTC [-] [04:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.5572 BTC [-] [04:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 3 @ 0.557 = 1.671 BTC [-] [04:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 27 @ 0.00388 = 0.1048 BTC [+] [04:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07947 BTC [+] [04:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.0795 = 0.2385 BTC [+] [04:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.0797 BTC [+] [04:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 3 @ 0.0797 = 0.2391 BTC [+] [04:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 11 @ 0.079705 = 0.8768 BTC [+] [04:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 25 @ 0.07970999 = 1.9927 BTC [+] [04:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.07971 = 0.3986 BTC [+] [04:44]
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assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07971 BTC [+] [04:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.0003643 = 1.9672 BTC [+] [04:49]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01187783 BTC [-] [04:51]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.01145191 BTC [-] [04:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 13 @ 0.011 = 0.143 BTC [-] [04:53]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 42 @ 0.00388 = 0.163 BTC [+] [04:55]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 57 @ 0.011 = 0.627 BTC [-] [05:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 11 @ 0.0100101 = 0.1101 BTC [-] [05:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 80 @ 0.01001 = 0.8008 BTC [-] [05:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [-] [05:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1114 @ 0.01 = 11.14 BTC [-] [05:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.009002 BTC [-] [05:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 637 @ 0.009 = 5.733 BTC [-] [05:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.10710002 = 0.7497 BTC [-] [05:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.10710001 = 0.4284 BTC [-] [05:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.107 = 0.214 BTC [-] [05:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10500101 = 0.525 BTC [-] [05:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.10500101 = 0.42 BTC [-] [05:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.10500101 = 0.315 BTC [-] [05:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 119 @ 0.00388 = 0.4617 BTC [+] [05:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 480 @ 0.003888 = 1.8662 BTC [+] [05:04]
BTC-Mining And now OBSI pays 0% dividends it seems [05:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 78 @ 0.003888 = 0.3033 BTC [+] [05:06]
mircea_popescu dun dun dun [05:06]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 113 @ 0.009 = 1.017 BTC [-] [05:06]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 87 @ 0.0081 = 0.7047 BTC [-] [05:06]
mircea_popescu what i'm curious about is, how the hell is usagi planning to unwind the MIDDLE of what was supposedly a cdo [05:06]
BTC-Mining I'm pretty sure it was expected by now. Didn't you short some OBSI? [05:07]
BTC-Mining CDO? [05:07]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining cvovered in the meanwhile. but yes, shorted 8-9 covered at 02 lol [05:07]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining i thought so ? [05:07]
mircea_popescu btw, BTC-Mining : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114775.0 [05:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5583 @ 0.00036413 = 2.0329 BTC [-] [05:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47239 @ 0.00036396 = 17.1931 BTC [-] [05:14]
BTC-Mining Oy, nice to know I get some PR [05:16]
mircea_popescu all it takes is not sucking [05:17]
BTC-Mining Free, to top it. [05:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0159213 BTC [+] [05:17]
mircea_popescu and apparently even that is a bridge too far for most ppl [05:17]
BTC-Mining Aye, but in BTC-BOND's case, I'd better manage the portfolio well. [05:18]
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BTC-Mining I have much bigger incentives than regular funds. [05:19]
mircea_popescu how;s that ? [05:21]
BTC-Mining Most of it is my personal portfolio. Any loss eats into it first. [05:23]
mircea_popescu a a [05:23]
BTC-Mining Fund manager still earn more on a portfolio which does better. [05:25]
BTC-Mining But there's no actuall loss for them if it's mismanaged. [05:26]
BTC-Mining Except for a lower share of the dividends. [05:26]
mircea_popescu aha [05:27]
mircea_popescu very easy to mismanage esp if invested on glbse [05:27]
BTC-Mining It's almost a miracle I maaged to grow while the market was shrinking, without shorting. [05:29]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00044183 = 0.4418 BTC [-] [05:30]
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assbot [GLBSE] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00989 BTC [+] [05:39]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 5 @ 0.5 = 2.5 BTC [+] [05:47]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+] [05:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.54995 = 1.0999 BTC [+] [05:49]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 8 @ 0.72 = 5.76 BTC [+] [05:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [+] [05:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.79 = 1.58 BTC [+] [05:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.799 = 1.598 BTC [+] [05:52]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.003888 BTC [+] [05:53]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 2 @ 0.799 = 1.598 BTC [+] [05:53]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS] 1 @ 0.88 BTC [+] [05:53]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1900 @ 0.00044182 = 0.8395 BTC [-] [05:55]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 4100 @ 0.00044182 = 1.8115 BTC [-] [05:55]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59999999 = 1.2 BTC [+] [06:03]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 941 @ 0.003888 = 3.6586 BTC [+] [06:06]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.24959996 BTC [-] [06:06]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1542 @ 0.00388888 = 5.9967 BTC [+] [06:08]
assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.034 = 0.068 BTC [-] [06:12]
assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0331 = 0.662 BTC [-] [06:12]
assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0331 = 0.662 BTC [-] [06:12]
assbot [GLBSE] [SILVER] 4 @ 0.00999999 = 0.04 BTC [+] [06:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 500 @ 0.00351 = 1.755 BTC [+] [06:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00036414 = 0.7283 BTC [+] [06:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8961 @ 0.00036396 = 3.2614 BTC [-] [06:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00036301 = 8.567 BTC [-] [06:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16039 @ 0.00036263 = 5.8162 BTC [-] [06:45]
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assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 20 @ 0.0331 = 0.662 BTC [-] [06:54]
assbot [GLBSE] [PUREMINING] 2 @ 0.1017 = 0.2034 BTC [+] [07:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11049991 BTC [+] [07:09]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.00044182 = 0.4418 BTC [-] [07:11]
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assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.11029989 = 0.6618 BTC [-] [07:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.11029989 = 0.5515 BTC [-] [07:25]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 6 @ 0.008 = 0.048 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.008 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00766014 = 0.0153 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00738504 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00695626 = 0.0139 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00545 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00493982 = 0.0099 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00407394 = 0.0163 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00384931 = 0.0077 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 4 @ 0.00330422 = 0.0132 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.002725 = 0.0055 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.0023859 = 0.0191 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 8 @ 0.00221018 = 0.0177 BTC [-] [07:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 94 @ 0.003 = 0.282 BTC [+] [07:30]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [+] [07:33]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC [+] [07:33]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 100 @ 0.006 = 0.6 BTC [+] [07:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 10300 @ 0.00044182 = 4.5507 BTC [+] [15:49]
Diablo-D3 jesus [15:49]
Diablo-D3 nefario really is going to get a scammer tag [15:50]
Diablo-D3 maged is giving him one more chance to pull his head out of his ass [15:50]
mircea_popescu what now? [15:50]
Diablo-D3 nefario refuses to send goat his btc that have nothing to do with tygrr assets [15:51]
mircea_popescu what, still ? [15:53]
Diablo-D3 yup [15:53]
mircea_popescu da fuck is wrong with that guy ? [15:53]
Diablo-D3 not only would nefario get a scammer tag, all glbse links get scammer tagged too [15:53]
mircea_popescu i mean seriously. is that so hard ? [15:53]
Diablo-D3 I dont know what the hell happened [15:53]
mircea_popescu people keep asking me what i have against glbse. WELL THIS. why not just fucking make sense. [15:53]
Diablo-D3 I wonder if nefario stole all the money [15:54]
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mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 you suppose he spent it and is broke ?! [15:54]
guruvan it's not the first time nefario has pulled this shit with goat [15:54]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: it would take him 5 seconds with a perl script to find out [15:54]
mircea_popescu guruvan hm [15:54]
Diablo-D3 unless he isnt logging all transactions, which makes him a scammer [15:54]
Bugpowder !ticker BDK-BND [15:54]
assbot Invalid ticker. [15:54]
mircea_popescu wait what ? [15:54]
mircea_popescu it's delisted ? [15:54]
Bugpowder !ticker BDK.BND [15:54]
assbot [GLBSE:BDK.BND] [Bid: 0.02500001] [Ask: 0.0495] [Spread: 0.02449999] [Last: 0.04] [24hVol: 20.44668999] [7dAvg: 0.04883857] [15:54]
guruvan last time he tried to get pirate to lock goat's account there [15:54]
Diablo-D3 like thats the thing, remember how he didnt do an audit on me? [15:55]
Diablo-D3 I wonder if glbse _doesnt_ keep a list of tx forever [15:55]
Diablo-D3 and only the last x [15:55]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 wow ?! [15:55]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: well, Ive written shit like this, its trivial, but sometimes fucktards do fucktarded things [15:55]
Diablo-D3 you dont even need to store the archived tx in the db, just dump them to a text list for perm storage [15:56]
mircea_popescu wow was to keeeping txs [15:56]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: no, I said I dont have access to it [15:56]
mircea_popescu i mean i understanf the vague privacy benefit, BUT [15:56]
mircea_popescu he doesn't give a shit about privacy [15:56]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: the csv link only gives you the previous x tx [15:56]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: I didnt say the db didnt retain them [15:56]
guruvan really? that's fucked up [15:56]
Diablo-D3 not the entire history [15:56]
Bugpowder really? [15:57]
Diablo-D3 when I was active trading, it was about a month and a halfs worth [15:57]
mircea_popescu wait a second. wasn't someone saying they lent nefario 400 quid after the Great Conference Nobody Went To ? [15:57]
mircea_popescu srsly, don't tell me nefario spent goat's btc [15:57]
guruvan (side benefit to using MPEx....my history is all saved locally) [15:57]
Diablo-D3 I mean, its easy to code, SORT BY date LIMIT 100 or whatever [15:57]
Diablo-D3 er SORT BY date DESC [15:57]
mircea_popescu guruvan :p [15:57]
guruvan I know that nefario was looking for that loan [15:57]
Diablo-D3 I dont know [15:58]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 if he's on mysql it's order by [15:58]
guruvan lol EskimoBob [15:58]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: er right [15:58]
mircea_popescu sort by is what, postgres ? [15:58]
Diablo-D3 its order by on any sql impl [15:58]
mircea_popescu i dun recall [15:58]
Diablo-D3 its order by on pg too [15:58]
pigeons EskimoBob is a turd sandwich [15:58]
Diablo-D3 its too early in the morning to code [15:58]
mircea_popescu well then dunno wtf sort by you on about :D [15:58]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: vim would have caught it ;) [15:58]
guruvan I guess you've just gotten to be nothing but bitter and foul now EskimoBob - sorry to see that [15:58]
Diablo-D3 either way, if he doesnt retain all tx [15:59]
Diablo-D3 fuck him [15:59]
Diablo-D3 seriously, just fuck him with a chainsaw gently [15:59]
mircea_popescu so wha then, blockchain analysis ? [15:59]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: well no [15:59]
mircea_popescu o, he doesn't use one address either huh [15:59]
Diablo-D3 nothing is done on bitcoin if you move stuff from an asset subaccount to your main account [15:59]
mircea_popescu dun dun dun [16:00]
Diablo-D3 plus both accounts and subaccounts have their own bitcoin addresses [16:00]
Diablo-D3 and not just one [16:00]
Diablo-D3 and you can gen a new one on demand [16:00]
mircea_popescu so basicalyl it's either that he stole customer funds and got drunk on themn, a la hayseed MF global [16:00]
mircea_popescu or else he fucked up the db [16:00]
mircea_popescu these are the alternatives ? [16:00]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: or hes just an asshat [16:00]
mircea_popescu yes, admitting he can't rather than just... is an asshat [16:00]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: yeah [16:00]
Diablo-D3 Im sorry I ever IPO'ed DMC, really [16:01]
Diablo-D3 this hasnt been worth the trouble [16:01]
mircea_popescu ^^ [16:01]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 not personal but : it's a skill and a profession this. [16:01]
mircea_popescu and if you do it naively you just get fucked and it ruins reputations, lives, etcv [16:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 6 @ 0.59000001 = 3.54 BTC [+] [16:01]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-] [16:01]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: yeah well, nefario fucked us all then [16:01]
mircea_popescu just look at kludge. his pretense to be what he ain't fucked up his "non legal" marriage. [16:01]
Diablo-D3 because this shit doesnt just stop here [16:01]
Diablo-D3 it goes everywhere [16:01]
mircea_popescu and his wife. and his mom. [16:01]
Diablo-D3 it fucks everyone whos ever used bitcoin [16:01]
Diablo-D3 and ever will use bitcoin [16:01]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 the sensible have been taking their shit off glbse for months. the sane since august. [16:02]
Bugpowder well [16:02]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: well, I bought half the DMC shares back [16:02]
Diablo-D3 so Im half way there [16:02]
mircea_popescu what are you short, like 1k btc ? [16:02]
mircea_popescu not as bad as many, i tell you that. [16:02]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: depends on the price [16:03]
Diablo-D3 I have >800 btc in assets [16:03]
Diablo-D3 asicmining paying out will probably help a lot [16:03]
Diablo-D3 I mean, nefario has done everything possible to fuck DMC [16:03]
Diablo-D3 like, he didnt properly vet 1mhs bond selllers [16:03]
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Diablo-D3 so they flooded the market and fucked everyone's portfolios [16:04]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: I only hold asicminer, btcmc, and btc-mining [16:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 2 @ 0.07899998 = 0.158 BTC [+] [16:04]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 this vetting problem becomes very serious now, as he refuses to vet SOME people. [16:04]
mircea_popescu it's like... dude. [16:05]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: well the mhash bond problem is this [16:05]
Diablo-D3 when ASICs were announced, the mhash bond people flooded the market with bonds that didnt have hardware to back them [16:05]
Diablo-D3 and semi-pyramid scheme paid out on them until they got their asic hardware [16:05]
Diablo-D3 which then they'd end up with a huge sum of money, hardware, and a bunch of worthless mhash bonds they could buy back at a fraction [16:06]
mircea_popescu yup [16:06]
mircea_popescu anyone with any sense would have seen this, and not allowed all the shit. [16:06]
Diablo-D3 nefario did nothing to these people [16:06]
Diablo-D3 yet he locked DMC's account for being victimized by it [16:07]
guruvan um....that's a little extreme Diablo-D3 - victimized? you were adequately warned here in this channel not to buy up that stuff. [16:08]
Diablo-D3 guruvan: I was "warned" by people who I dont trust [16:08]
mircea_popescu i warned you... [16:08]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: and I dont trust you. [16:09]
mircea_popescu well warned isnt maybe the word. [16:09]
mircea_popescu heh mkay. [16:09]
guruvan I warned you too :) [16:09]
Diablo-D3 guruvan: And I dont trust you [16:09]
mircea_popescu he doesn't trust you either [16:09]
mircea_popescu haha. who do you drust, tiablo ? [16:09]
Diablo-D3 and EskimoBob is a troll, so trust doenst even enter into this [16:09]
guruvan I figured as much [16:09]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: currently? no one. [16:09]
mircea_popescu well that's a problem [16:09]
mircea_popescu not personal, but : if you don't trust anyone in the mkt you can't list. [16:09]
mircea_popescu period. [16:10]
Diablo-D3 I trusted nefario, and look where that went. [16:10]
guruvan but not as bad as trusting eveyone :D [16:10]
mircea_popescu guruvan fo sho. only women should trust everyone, and only if they plan on yearly pregnancies [16:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 4 @ 0.07899999 = 0.316 BTC [+] [16:10]
guruvan heh [16:10]
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* mircea_popescu reads guruvan's post on forum. should he get multiple tags now ? [16:12]
mircea_popescu like, one on his nose, one on his toes... [16:12]
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Diablo-D3 anyhow, I may just buy back as much dmc as possible and see where we're at after that [16:13]
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guruvan It's looking like several are deserved [16:15]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1188 @ 0.00044181 = 0.5249 BTC [-] [16:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11211 @ 0.00036179 = 4.056 BTC [-] [16:16]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 that sounds like the best avenue atm [16:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15668 @ 0.00036158 = 5.6652 BTC [-] [16:16]
guruvan but I think there's only room for the one -0 tagging all GLBSE threads would be a good start [16:16]
guruvan agreed mircea_popescu - that would be the absolute best thing for DMC [16:16]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: a company can buy back its own shares off the open market. [16:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 33500 @ 0.00095464 = 31.9804 BTC [-] [16:20]
assbot [MPEX] [B.MPCD.B] 94000 @ 0.0009495 = 89.253 BTC [-] [16:20]
guruvan Diablo-D3: and if the company has cash, and nothing to spend it on, and shares are cheap, it should buy them back [16:21]
Diablo-D3 guruvan: yes, and we have cash, nothing to sepdn it on, and the shares are cheap. [16:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [RUGATU] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [-] [16:22]
guruvan exactly [16:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 8 @ 0.58000001 = 4.64 BTC [-] [16:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-] [16:23]
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assbot [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 2 @ 0.06199999 = 0.124 BTC [-] [16:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 3 @ 0.062 = 0.186 BTC [+] [16:27]
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mircea_popescu jesus kakobrekla they're ripping you a new one on the forums huh [16:28]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: well, asicminer should be paying out nov or dec [16:28]
Diablo-D3 so that'd be a nice chunk of change [16:28]
Diablo-D3 yeah, or never =/ [16:28]
mircea_popescu my money's on never. [16:28]
Diablo-D3 well then what do you think the best asset on the market is? [16:29]
assbot [GLBSE] [PIMP] 5 @ 0.08999999 = 0.45 BTC [+] [16:29]
Diablo-D3 yeah, but if I get any btc it goes directly into buying dmc [16:30]
assbot [MPEX] [B.MPCD.A] 33500 @ 0.00100076 = 33.5255 BTC [+] [16:30]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.07899999 = 0.395 BTC [+] [16:30]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07899999 BTC [+] [16:31]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: yeah but [16:31]
Diablo-D3 hrm [16:31]
Diablo-D3 even if btc goes up in value it doesnt make dmc shares go down in value [16:31]
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mircea_popescu depends. do you hold mining ? [16:32]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: yeah, its just btcmc, btc-mining, and asicminer [16:32]
Diablo-D3 most of its in btcmc [16:32]
mircea_popescu well if btcv goes to 100 bux they will not stay the same btc [16:33]
Diablo-D3 btcv? [16:33]
mircea_popescu btcs [16:33]
mircea_popescu "afaik he considers his wife as an asset" ahahaha the ppl on the forum [16:34]
mircea_popescu ya, why isn't he selling HIS WIFE he;s not even married to in order to settle some internet monopoly money debt [16:34]
Diablo-D3 EskimoBob: yeah =/ [16:34]
mircea_popescu he should sell his soul. [16:34]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: hes selling his wife? [16:34]
mircea_popescu no he's not [16:34]
Diablo-D3 for how much? can she cook? [16:34]
mircea_popescu just some idiot [16:34]
mircea_popescu im sure she can cook, if you can't cook you can't be a wife [16:34]
mircea_popescu you can at most be a husband [16:34]
Diablo-D3 lolwhat [16:35]
Diablo-D3 seriously though, I guess I could put half of the dmc assets up for sale [16:35]
assbot [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.399999 BTC [+] [16:37]
assbot [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 3 @ 1.4 = 4.2 BTC [+] [16:37]
Diablo-D3 but btc going up in value doesnt cause dmc shares to go down in price [16:37]
Diablo-D3 infact, it drives them up [16:37]
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Diablo-D3 who? [16:38]
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mircea_popescu also related, http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134678546221.jpg [16:39]
MoneyIsD_ Now THAT's an ass(et) [16:41]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu, yes, two dark worlds colliding [16:42]
guruvan Diablo-D3: long term yes, but short term, we see some movement out of securities with a rise in the exchange rate (for people wanting to trade BTC for USD for the anticipated drop) [16:43]
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Diablo-D3 guruvan: hrm [16:44]
Diablo-D3 I guess it could work [16:44]
guruvan looks really awesome to me kakobrekla [16:45]
kakobrekla thanks guruvan :) [16:45]
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mircea_popescu re https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114742.msg1239011#msg1239011 [16:53]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0035 BTC [-] [16:53]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.0034 = 1.02 BTC [-] [16:53]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.0034 = 1.7 BTC [-] [16:53]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.0034 = 3.4 BTC [-] [16:53]
mircea_popescu someone please explain that ito calculus wielding idiot that you don't unwind a cdo bottom up [16:53]
mircea_popescu you unwind it top to bottom [16:53]
mircea_popescu tell him copumpkin ! [16:53]
copumpkin YES! [16:53]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Oct 1 23:12:50 2012 [17:17]
Bugpowder this is so fucked up [17:18]
Bugpowder Just take everything and stick it in A [17:18]
Bugpowder kill off C and B [17:18]
Bugpowder why the fuck does C get assets from A and B? [17:19]
Bugpowder makes no sense [17:19]
mircea_popescu he doesn't know what a cdo is. [17:19]
Bugpowder arbitrary and capricious [17:19]
Bugpowder no "we can use the overflow from NYAN.A to help repair the shareholders of NYAN.C." [17:19]
mircea_popescu but in no event can C be paid anything if B is owed anything, and in no event can B be paid anything if A is owed anything [17:19]
mircea_popescu this is the core concept of tranches [17:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00036447 = 3.6447 BTC [+] [17:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.60089899 = 1.2018 BTC [+] [17:25]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 200 @ 0.0034 = 0.68 BTC [-] [17:27]
DeaDTerra last chance to buy GSDPT [17:35]
DeaDTerra before the dividend [17:35]
DeaDTerra the wall will soon go down [17:35]
DeaDTerra Time to balance the backing before the dividend [17:35]
assbot [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9312 BTC [-] [17:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.9311 BTC [-] [17:36]
Diablo-D3 [10:17:26] oh look, .C becomes the proud owner of 2001 obsi.hrpt's. [17:37]
Diablo-D3 well [17:37]
Diablo-D3 to be fair [17:37]
Diablo-D3 thats what the world did to greece [17:37]
Diablo-D3 steal all the real assets and move all the toxic ones into it [17:37]
Bugpowder wha? [17:37]
Bugpowder greece? [17:37]
mircea_popescu what ?! [17:37]
Diablo-D3 the whole goldman sachs fake mortgage paper scam [17:38]
Bugpowder that is not how I perceive greek financies [17:38]
mircea_popescu he does have a point. the us banks have been selling everyone, from us municipalities to foreign nations [17:38]
Diablo-D3 greece is the one that ended up holding the bag on that [17:38]
mircea_popescu derivative crap made out of toxic crap [17:38]
mircea_popescu i wou;dnt go as far as that, but for sure there's a ton of misbehaviour [17:39]
Diablo-D3 but hey, if our great leaders do that, why is it wrong for usagi to do it [17:39]
Diablo-D3 "steal ALL the things o/" -- goldman sachs motto [17:39]
mircea_popescu that he's nobody's great leader lol [17:39]
Bugpowder euro banks too folks [17:39]
Diablo-D3 usagi: you're collapsing nyan.c for the lulz [17:39]
Diablo-D3 the trolls say you are so it must be true [17:40]
Diablo-D3 I scared usagi away :< [17:40]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder no, just us :D [17:40]
assbot Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc). [17:40]
assbot BMF [1@0.49BTC] (since: 2012-10-01) paid: 0.00199044 BTC. Last price: 0.48 BTC. Capital gain: -0.01 BTC. Total: -0.00800956 BTC. (-1.6%) [17:41]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 5 @ 0.81298522 = 4.0649 BTC [+] [17:41]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 7 @ 0.8 = 5.6 BTC [-] [17:41]
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assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-] [17:43]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112024.msg1238709#msg1238709 lol i like the new goat [17:44]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi are you like this when you're drunk or when you're sober ? [17:45]
Chaang-Noi high... [17:45]
mircea_popescu stick with it. [17:46]
Chaang-Noi on opium [17:46]
Chaang-Noi i just dont cae any more [17:46]
Chaang-Noi care [17:46]
Chaang-Noi i tried to do a good think with glbse and the btc assets stuff [17:46]
Chaang-Noi thing [17:46]
Chaang-Noi almost everyone including nefario hated me for it when i was his biggest support [17:46]
Chaang-Noi oh well, fuck them all [17:46]
Chaang-Noi maged told me i was going to banned unless i did something he demanded in 48 hours... [17:47]
Chaang-Noi such fucking bs [17:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21990 @ 0.00036397 = 8.0037 BTC [-] [17:47]
Chaang-Noi and all cuz nefario lied [17:47]
Chaang-Noi and then maged covered for him and called a misunderstanind [17:47]
Chaang-Noi fuck them all [17:48]
mircea_popescu aww [17:48]
Diablo-D3 Chaang-Noi: actually [17:49]
Diablo-D3 nefario is going to end up with a scammer tag [17:49]
Diablo-D3 Chaang-Noi: because he refuses to return the coins he stole from you [17:49]
Bugpowder tranching the tranche [17:49]
Diablo-D3 which also means all glbse links get automatically scammer tagged too [17:49]
Diablo-D3 yay url filter [17:49]
Diablo-D3 maged is pissed over the whole thing [17:50]
Diablo-D3 Chaang-Noi: too bad you arent a forum mod like me [17:50]
Diablo-D3 you're missing out on the shitstorm in the staff forum [17:50]
Diablo-D3 usagi: thatd [17:51]
Diablo-D3 er [17:51]
Diablo-D3 usagi: that'd be half the forum [17:51]
Diablo-D3 its the only reason why Im a mod and not an admin [17:52]
Diablo-D3 I really would ban half the forum [17:52]
Diablo-D3 !ticker dmc [17:52]
assbot [GLBSE:DMC] [Bid: 0.02] [Ask: 0.05499999] [Spread: 0.03499999] [Last: 0.05] [24hVol: 0.05] [7dAvg: 0.07186227] [17:53]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 lol are you allowed to quote ? :D [17:53]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: nope, technically I shouldnt even talk about it [17:53]
Diablo-D3 but goats goat, and hes a cool guy [17:53]
mircea_popescu goat's chasing teh dragon [17:53]
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Bugpowder !ticker obsi.hrpt [18:07]
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assbot [GLBSE:OBSI.HRPT] [Bid: 0.0032] [Ask: 0.00389453] [Spread: 0.00069453] [Last: 0.003] [24hVol: 87.13085903] [7dAvg: 0.03527857] [18:07]
Bugpowder ouch [18:07]
BTC-Mining Yeah [18:07]
OneEyed !ticker bdk.bnd [18:07]
assbot [GLBSE:BDK.BND] [Bid: 0.03000001] [Ask: 0.0495] [Spread: 0.01949999] [Last: 0.04] [24hVol: 20.44668999] [7dAvg: 0.04883857] [18:07]
Bugpowder I'm like slightly annoyed that I keep loosing 2% here 3% there, but at least I have gotten out of almost all the bullshit [18:08]
Bugpowder BDK.BND appears to have assets that support a NAV of 0.059, according to his spreadsheet. [18:08]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder lol 2-3% is a lot better than what people are doing [18:08]
mircea_popescu most of the hardcore glbse fans are literally -50% every quarter [18:09]
Bugpowder it's like buy OBSI, wait 2 days, panic sell for 8% loss [18:09]
Bugpowder watch as it goes to zero [18:09]
BTC-Mining Try BTC-BOND bugpowder. [18:09]
Bugpowder no [18:09]
Bugpowder nono no [18:09]
OneEyed Bugpowder: I know. I bought some at 0.03 before going to work, and sold them at 0.04 right after, easy +30%… [18:09]
Bugpowder nothing on GLBSE [18:09]
Bugpowder OneEyed that was sorta my plan [18:09]
Bugpowder but I bought too much [18:10]
BTC-Mining I offer a very good protection margin against loss. [18:10]
OneEyed Bugpowder: I have asks at .03, you can sell me :) [18:10]
Bugpowder couldn't exit the whole position cause volume is too low [18:10]
Bugpowder hahaha [18:10]
Bugpowder I bought yours at 0.04 [18:10]
OneEyed Eheh :) The 104 ones? Thanks :) [18:10]
Bugpowder now someone buy them at 0.0495! [18:10]
Bugpowder totally worth it [18:11]
OneEyed (I got 100 at 0.03, and someone sold me 4 at 0.02!) [18:11]
Bugpowder 20% discount! [18:11]
Bugpowder i woke up too late I guess [18:11]
OneEyed If Kluge can reimburse (and it looks like it will), you'll get much more than that by holding them if you can't get a good price anyway! [18:11]
Bugpowder yup [18:11]
Bugpowder I think he will pay out .059 [18:11]
OneEyed I think he will pay much more [18:11]
Bugpowder .1? [18:12]
OneEyed Around .09 [18:12]
Bugpowder well, act now and buy at .0495 [18:12]
Bugpowder 255 shares [18:12]
Bugpowder avail [18:12]
Bugpowder deal of the century [18:12]
OneEyed Nah, I just went out of GLBSE, I went back in to get some very cheap ones, I won't buy at more than .03, I'm sure someone will sell :) [18:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26011 @ 0.00036397 = 9.4672 BTC [-] [18:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12689 @ 0.00036158 = 4.5881 BTC [-] [18:13]
BTC-Mining EskimoBob, although most people who present facts/ask questions are often dismissed as troll on the forum. In your case, it's kind of understandable. Incompetence is not equal to scamming and you keep harassing people as scammers when you believe they are incompetent. [18:13]
mircea_popescu OneEyed 30% over what capital ? [18:14]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: over what I bought; 100 * 0.03 * 1.005 + 2 * 0.02 = 3.055 [18:14]
BTC-Mining But true enough, some OP dismiss anything other than "Let me give you all my money" as trolling. [18:14]
mircea_popescu soooo you made 5 bux ? [18:14]
OneEyed Sold them for 104 * 0.04 = 4.16 [18:14]
OneEyed Well, yeah, 10€, not much, but it took no time and no energy, I just like that :) [18:15]
mircea_popescu look, this is a profession, and it does have a cost [18:15]
mircea_popescu unless there's a way to safely take 10k usd + bets we are just dicking around [18:16]
mircea_popescu "daytrading" [18:16]
* OneEyed is not a daytrader [18:16]
mircea_popescu then i can see it :) [18:16]
OneEyed I just fill time between compilations and test runs [18:16]
mircea_popescu for me, good return on tiny capital just piss me off [18:16]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: come on, we're talking about GLBSE, there is no way to make big bucks with such low liquidity, you know it :) [18:17]
BTC-Mining Usagi, DMC, etc. Scamming is technically the willingful conning of money for keeping it for yourself. In their case you believe they are incompetent which is not willingful or taking money for themselve, yet still go around tagging them as scammers. [18:17]
Bugpowder maybe we need an incompetent tag? [18:17]
Bugpowder it could be yellow [18:17]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining the difference between wilful and incompetent melts away in some cases [18:17]
BTC-Mining Or I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure you tagged them as scammers numerous times. [18:17]
Bugpowder the color of the undies when they realize they lost all the invested coins again [18:17]
mircea_popescu "tony rocky horror shoulda fucken known better" in the immortal words of [18:17]
BTC-Mining mircea: true that. [18:17]
mircea_popescu i forget who [18:17]
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OneEyed I'd tend to agree with EskimoBob here. I'm fan of "don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity", but in the bitcointalk world it looks like malice is often present [18:19]
fimp where does one create a new contract on GLBSE? I don't see that option anywhere [18:20]
Bugpowder dont do it [18:20]
OneEyed usagi: I don't bother hashking? I even filed *criminal charges* against him to get my money back! [18:20]
OneEyed usagi: none, I haven't invested with you, nor accused you of anything, you must be confused. I only asked questions when I didn't understand your answer to posted facts. Check your logs :) [18:21]
OneEyed Numbers [18:22]
OneEyed As available [18:22]
OneEyed The fact that you seem to consider a gain as a loss because when you convert to USD (which is not everyone's currency btw) this shows a gain? [18:23]
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mircea_popescu a loss as a gain [18:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 32 @ 0.0711 = 2.2752 BTC [+] [18:24]
OneEyed I'm not saying it's your fault. I'm saying that I don't understand how it can be considered to have gained value. [18:24]
BTC-Mining Eh. By the way Bugpowder, you know BTC-BOND offers a vast portfolio in front of loaned funds to prevent any loss? I also honor withdrawal upon requests. [18:24]
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OneEyed That I understand. But was it best for investors to invest or not to invest in your company in this timeframe? [18:25]
OneEyed It was best for them to keep their bitcoins out of BMF, right? [18:25]
BTC-Mining Why would BTC fall? [18:27]
Bugpowder BTC-Mining, Sorry I'm sticking to MPEX securities, I don't think GLBSE will be around by Nov 1st. [18:27]
BTC-Mining Ah, believe GLBSE is going bust. Fair enough. [18:28]
OneEyed You still don't answer: wouldn't it have been best for investors to have kept their BTC out of BMF into a cold wallet? They could resold them for a better profit than if they went in and out of BMF, isn't it? [18:28]
OneEyed (I'm not talking about the future, I'm talking about the timeframe from May to now that you took as an example) [18:28]
Eisenhower34 OneEyed yes [18:28]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder nov 1st, that bad ? i was thinking a quarter or two myself. [18:28]
mircea_popescu six months [18:28]
OneEyed If I had $500 then, I would have $1000 now by having bought then sold bitcoins. [18:28]
BTC-Mining Difficulty adjusts itself... less bitcoins will be entering the market, especially after the block halving. [18:28]
OneEyed usagi: so you're saying that BMF is a good investment now, but how can you say it has been a good investment between May and now? [18:29]
Eisenhower34 ^^ y and if you dont hold it you risk a price rise :) [18:29]
Bugpowder Well... I have only been following it for a month... can we plot the decline in volume somehow [18:29]
Eisenhower34 but looking now backward it would have brought more USD if you had keept your BTC in a cold wallet [18:30]
* OneEyed has found a way around it: I started to buy in June, and I'll have sold enough bitcoins in a few days to get my € back, with around 100 BTC remaining, so I can now get long on bitcoins and profit :) [18:30]
OneEyed And I can start the cycle again and limit my € losses [18:30]
OneEyed (even if I limit my profit) [18:30]
Eisenhower34 and if it rise, you lose money... [18:31]
OneEyed usagi: you say that like it's a good thing [18:31]
mircea_popescu OneEyed why be so safe ? i dumped into btc since about forever. [18:31]
BTC-Mining usagi: Why not keep it simple? "Bitcoin mining is a USD based investment" [18:32]
Eisenhower34 not those who kept their btc in a cold wallet..... [18:32]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: because since July I've tried to convince myself of the usefulness of bitcoins, and I'm still not much convinced. I've seen almost no use except for trading. [18:32]
mircea_popescu OneEyed heh. bitcoin is literally the only currency in the world atm. [18:32]
mircea_popescu everything else is govt bonds carrying no interest. [18:32]
Eisenhower34 and if you would have kept your BTC you would have made more... [18:33]
Bugpowder Also, has nefario executed a single adminitrative duty on GLBSE in the past week? [18:33]
Bugpowder red flag [18:33]
BTC-Mining nefario is often busy, he's not always around. [18:34]
mircea_popescu what, a week at a time ? [18:34]
mircea_popescu you leave someone behind if you're gone for a week come on./ [18:34]
Bugpowder he is emailing people [18:34]
mircea_popescu dude imagine your corner 7/11 closed for a week cause owner was busy [18:35]
BTC-Mining I'm not aware of him not working/managing GLBSE right now. [18:35]
pigeons wow kakobrekla i didn't know you swere such a scammer ;) [18:35]
BTC-Mining He's just not in IRC. [18:35]
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kakobrekla yeah im terrible. [18:35]
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BTC-Mining Because actual miners have a much larger profit than actual bond holders (especially fixed) [18:38]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining arguably they also do a lot more of the work [18:38]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5200 @ 0.0004418 = 2.2974 BTC [-] [18:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3443 @ 0.00036158 = 1.2449 BTC [-] [18:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00036114 = 0.4334 BTC [-] [18:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14057 @ 0.00036075 = 5.0711 BTC [-] [18:39]
BTC-Mining Aye but they pay too little. [18:39]
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Eisenhower34 BTC-Mining, the problem is not the small "interest" you get, its more the dramatic price drop [18:40]
Eisenhower34 all mining bonds made something between 1.5% and 2% interest a week [18:41]
assbot [GLBSE] [PLATINUM] 1 @ 0.00999999 BTC [+] [18:41]
Eisenhower34 exactly [18:41]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITNODES] 2 @ 0.265 = 0.53 BTC [-] [18:41]
Eisenhower34 EskimoBob its the same when you buy mining equip yourself... [18:42]
Eisenhower34 ... sure [18:43]
Eisenhower34 not really [18:43]
assbot [GLBSE] [JTME] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-] [18:44]
Eisenhower34 All i say is that mining isnt lucrative right now, not if you buy the equip yourself and not if you buy bonds [18:45]
Eisenhower34 but who would have expected that huge difficulty increase the past few weeks [18:46]
Eisenhower34 noone [18:46]
Eisenhower34 so you cannot blame anybody for any loss you made [18:46]
Eisenhower34 usagi or not? [18:47]
assbot [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.481 BTC [-] [18:47]
assbot [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-] [18:47]
mircea_popescu Eisenhower34 you think this is huge ? [18:48]
Diablo-D3 back [18:48]
mircea_popescu i have bets with people claiming > 100 th in the coming months [18:48]
Diablo-D3 did I miss mutch? [18:48]
Diablo-D3 boring as usual [18:49]
Eisenhower34 micea You know the answer yourself... and you should know that you cannot really compare asig TH scale iwth GPU GH scale, same as you couldnt compare GPU <-> CPU MH scales [18:50]
Diablo-D3 Eisenhower34: well, you can COMPARE [18:50]
Diablo-D3 its just going to be a pretty scary ratio [18:50]
assbot [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-] [18:51]
mircea_popescu Eisenhower34 im just saying, people are betting this. if it comes true, [18:51]
mircea_popescu it will make the prev increase seem like nothing. [18:51]
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mircea_popescu after all, the system doesn't care where you get your hashing, it's all fungible. [18:52]
Diablo-D3 I wish luke would quit reporting posts [18:52]
Diablo-D3 no one listens to him [18:52]
Eisenhower34 I only say that you stated the obvious which doesnt really deserves any answer [18:53]
Eisenhower34 its like someone saying "snow is white" [18:54]
mircea_popescu you said huge increase, i said it's possibly not even that huge. what's the issue ? [18:54]
Eisenhower34 "you think this is huge ?" " i have bets with people claiming > 100 th in the coming months" <- Cpt Obvious to the rescue! [18:55]
Eisenhower34 thats what I say [18:55]
mircea_popescu ... [18:55]
mircea_popescu do you have some sort of previous unresolved issue eating at you ? [18:56]
OneEyed Did anyone see any ASIC-like increase in hashpower, be it on mainnet or on testnet? [18:57]
Eisenhower34 Sorry but you didnt understood the more polite way telling you that, what did you expect me to say? [18:58]
BTC-Mining Don't think anyone has, OneEyed [18:58]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 21 @ 0.05499984 = 1.155 BTC [+] [18:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.05499985 BTC [+] [18:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 50 @ 0.055 = 2.75 BTC [+] [18:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 148 @ 0.065 = 9.62 BTC [+] [18:59]
OneEyed I can't make my mind on whether this is a scam or not, or more exactly on whether they do have a product ready or not (even if they intend to have one eventually) [18:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 103 @ 0.0034 = 0.3502 BTC [-] [18:59]
OneEyed Demonstrating it on testnet would be the best way to get free advertising [19:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.00999998 = 0.02 BTC [+] [19:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [+] [19:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 10 @ 0.067 = 0.67 BTC [+] [19:00]
Eisenhower34 OneEyed I would let it run first for myself [19:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [GOLD] 2 @ 0.00999998 = 0.02 BTC [+] [19:00]
Eisenhower34 for a week or something like that [19:01]
Eisenhower34 before i deliver them :) [19:01]
OneEyed Eisenhower34: I would too, but for some reason I don't understand BFL said it wouldn't [19:01]
Eisenhower34 OneEyed they "say" of course they wouldnt, but its on a different page what they really do :) [19:01]
OneEyed Eisenhower34: sure :) And it's true that it will be much more easy to conceal once they have delivered some ASICs, as they will be harder to identify. [19:02]
Eisenhower34 y maybe they already mine with some of their products [19:03]
Eisenhower34 the last rise from June 2012 looks very suspicious [19:03]
Eisenhower34 and could be caused by ASIC mining [19:03]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [+] [19:03]
OneEyed What happened to ciuciu recently? He seemed to be a nice guy, had pretty interesting deals, but now looks like he shorted a fuse over mircea_popescu and the porn pictures [19:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [GOLD] 8 @ 0.00999998 = 0.08 BTC [+] [19:05]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: did you do anything to him? I don't understand why he goes after MPEX every time he can. Do you owe him money or what? [19:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 9 @ 0.075 = 0.675 BTC [+] [19:06]
OneEyed What does "peddler" mean? [19:06]
pigeons vend/sell [19:06]
OneEyed Thanks pigeons :) [19:07]
OneEyed Oh, I thought the porn on mircea_popescu site was free for all :) [19:07]
pigeons hmm i thought so too [19:07]
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imsaguy2 who said you have to get the facts right when you're trolling? [19:08]
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OneEyed imsaguy2: sure, but he tries very hard to get at MPEX and Mircea, so I guess he really has some motive [19:09]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-] [19:09]
OneEyed Because it's not even entertaining, not humorous, not a good troll [19:09]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00389453 BTC [+] [19:09]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-] [19:09]
imsaguy2 or when you're repeating info that's wrong. [19:11]
OneEyed Trolling is an art, that was taught by masters on Usenet in the ol'good days, before even AOL was allowed to access the news [19:11]
assbot [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [-] [19:12]
imsaguy2 ... [19:12]
OneEyed I remember times when dropping "should I use vi or emacs to edit the configuration file?" in any software newsgroup would degenerate rapidly [19:12]
imsaguy2 OneEyed: I guess he considers that porn peddler [19:12]
imsaguy2 to whom were you referring? [19:12]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3000 @ 0.00044181 = 1.3254 BTC [+] [19:12]
OneEyed imsaguy2: mircea_popescu [19:12]
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OneEyed imsaguy2: I was asking why ciuciu seemed to be so angry at Mircea [19:13]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.1111 BTC [-] [19:13]
imsaguy2 mircea_popescu sells porn? [19:13]
assbot [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 12 @ 0.0515 = 0.618 BTC [-] [19:13]
OneEyed AFAICS, he hosts a BBS which includes porn [19:13]
kakobrekla again? [19:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.0496 BTC [-] [19:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 4 @ 0.04101 = 0.164 BTC [-] [19:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 10 @ 0.04 = 0.4 BTC [-] [19:15]
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OneEyed *That* would cause a huge price drop [19:16]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59999692 = 1.2 BTC [-] [19:16]
OneEyed pirate pays => price drop => people invest into BMF to hedge against BTC price drop => I see what you did here usagi :) [19:17]
mircea_popescu imsaguy2 no dude. i had some involvement back before 2000 [19:18]
mircea_popescu some involvement = silent partner/financing some studios and also ocasionally producing. [19:18]
imsaguy2 technically, the bbs isn't his site [19:18]
imsaguy2 they are two different things [19:18]
OneEyed imsaguy2: ok, hosted under the same root [19:18]
mircea_popescu OneEyed the girl (mpoe-pr) called some bond of his a scam or w/e [19:19]
imsaguy2 No. [19:19]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: wow, I guess the girl hit a nerve then [19:19]
mircea_popescu i have no ideea, not like anyone's buying it or anything [19:19]
mircea_popescu i mean it can't be a ponzi on the strength of lack of volume alone. [19:20]
OneEyed EskimoBob: is that illegal? [19:20]
OneEyed (I'm checking, because I have no idea either) [19:20]
OneEyed Registrants of .us domains must be United States citizens, residents, or organizations, or a foreign entity with a presence in the United States. [19:20]
OneEyed (according to wikipedia, not the most reliable source, but generally good enough) [19:21]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 23 @ 0.0034 = 0.0782 BTC [-] [19:21]
OneEyed "To ensure that these requirements are met, NeuStar frequently conducts "spot checks" on registrant information." [19:21]
mircea_popescu dude lay it to rest already. i have us companies, my cto is an american citizen, etfc [19:21]
mircea_popescu i have every right in the world to register .us [19:21]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITNODES] 1 @ 0.27849 BTC [+] [19:22]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 4 @ 0.59999792 = 2.4 BTC [+] [19:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 4 @ 0.04100001 = 0.164 BTC [+] [19:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.0386 = 0.0772 BTC [-] [19:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 23377 @ 0.0034 = 79.4818 BTC [-] [19:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.01500001 = 0.03 BTC [-] [19:23]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 1 @ 0.041 BTC [-] [19:23]
mircea_popescu !pl cpa .1 [19:24]
assbot Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc). [19:24]
assbot CPA [1@0.1BTC] paid: 0.00569688 BTC. Last price: 0.01500001 BTC. Capital gain: -0.08499999 BTC. Total: -0.07930311 BTC. (-79.3%) [19:24]
imsaguy2 usagi, I can't just go and give you hardware and screw everyone else [19:24]
mircea_popescu !pl .gsdpt .0032 [19:24]
imsaguy2 you don't have that sort of priority [19:24]
assbot Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc). [19:24]
assbot GLBSE 404 [19:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMMO] 8 @ 0.04 = 0.32 BTC [-] [19:24]
mircea_popescu ugh [19:24]
mircea_popescu !pl gsdpt .0032 [19:24]
assbot Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc). [19:24]
assbot GSDPT [1@0.0032BTC] paid: 7.468E-5 BTC. Last price: 0.0034 BTC. Capital gain: 0.0002 BTC. Total: 0.00027468 BTC. (8.6%) [19:24]
imsaguy2 Status Quo [19:24]
mircea_popescu wait so if you have a leading period on the symbol glbse 404's ? [19:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 12 @ 0.0034 = 0.0408 BTC [-] [19:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 5 @ 0.075 = 0.375 BTC [-] [19:25]
kakobrekla might be just a dirty fallback [19:25]
mircea_popescu actually 8.6% a month is kinda jawdropping [19:25]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.075 BTC [-] [19:25]
assbot [GLBSE] [YARR] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [-] [19:26]
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assbot [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.02972999 BTC [+] [19:26]
OneEyed ??? [19:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.02973 BTC [+] [19:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [+] [19:26]
OneEyed I thought YARR couldn't be traded anymore. I must have confused that with something else. [19:26]
mircea_popescu umm [19:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 2 @ 0.0221002 = 0.0442 BTC [-] [19:27]
mircea_popescu i thought so too !? [19:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 3 @ 0.02 = 0.06 BTC [-] [19:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [FZB.A] 1 @ 0.00000005 BTC [-] [19:27]
Chaang-Noi nefario/glbse did send me some coins. [19:27]
Chaang-Noi i guess he will avoid the scammer tag for now [19:27]
mircea_popescu some = ? [19:27]
Chaang-Noi not that it matters, i cant send the btc to anyone [19:28]
Chaang-Noi now i just ahve to hold it forever [19:28]
OneEyed Chaang-Noi: why, he forgot to send the private key along? [19:28]
mircea_popescu I assume these are for the "non disputed" BTC [19:28]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59999792 = 1.2 BTC [+] [19:28]
mircea_popescu was this your btc ? your assets' btc ? is there all of it ? [19:28]
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Chaang-Noi yeah i asked for the non disputed btc he was holding hostage [19:29]
mircea_popescu OneEyed no but he's liable for it to shareholders [19:29]
Chaang-Noi the disputed btc i assume he can make a claim fore [19:29]
Chaang-Noi i was just sent some btc [19:29]
Chaang-Noi he did not send me assets clearly [19:29]
Chaang-Noi it ahs 4 confrims [19:29]
mircea_popescu wait, what ? [19:30]
Chaang-Noi nefario has been sending me e-mails daily [19:30]
Chaang-Noi he is alive [19:30]
mircea_popescu well this "some btc" needs to be clarified wtf it means [19:30]
Chaang-Noi he sent me some btc [19:30]
Chaang-Noi i have more btc than i did [19:30]
OneEyed usagi: more importantly, he didn't explain those (potentially) bad decisions. He pretty much destroyed part of the trust people need to have in him. [19:31]
Chaang-Noi he has not explained why i was delisted, i want the fees refunded [19:31]
Chaang-Noi if i broke some tos or something he needs to tell me, if he offers a service, takes payment then fails to give service its scamming [19:32]
Chaang-Noi that is typical nefario [19:32]
Chaang-Noi says he will do shit [19:32]
Chaang-Noi then takes it back and says fuck you [19:32]
Chaang-Noi now if you bitch, he will delist you [19:32]
OneEyed usagi: are you implying that you know about irregularities? [19:33]
OneEyed It sure looked like it :) [19:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 1 @ 0.00387999 BTC [+] [19:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 5 @ 0.00388 = 0.0194 BTC [+] [19:34]
OneEyed I would trust you not to use them because you disagree with a business relationship [19:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 5 @ 0.00389 = 0.0195 BTC [+] [19:34]
Eisenhower34 If there wouldnt be so many douchebags out there, calling me a scammer all day, i would have already opened a stock market myself... would take ~2 weeks to code it ... [19:35]
OneEyed Eisenhower34: mine would be more like MPEX than GLBSE if I'd do one [19:35]
mircea_popescu Eisenhower34 coding isn;'t the biggest deal. also, who and why is calling you a scammer ? [19:35]
mircea_popescu i don't even know who you are. [19:35]
OneEyed :) [19:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 10 @ 0.003 = 0.03 BTC [-] [19:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIB.BVPS] 1 @ 0.00181 BTC [-] [19:36]
Eisenhower34 read the thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109415.0 already tried to open a project but it doesnt make much sense with all those idiots out there [19:37]
mircea_popescu insurance ? [19:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43900 @ 0.00036273 = 15.9238 BTC [+] [19:39]
mircea_popescu ok this is nonsense. [19:39]
Eisenhower34 that was the idea, but as it has already been pointed out several times its a CDS [19:39]
Eisenhower34 aynway doesnt matter what it was [19:39]
mircea_popescu you lack any verbiage as to the important points : 1. how are claims decided ; 2. how are people prevented from buying insurance on themselves and default. [19:39]
Eisenhower34 with all those idiots asking for doxx and implying that im a scammer [19:39]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 2 @ 0.043 = 0.086 BTC [-] [19:40]
kakobrekla everyone is assumed to be pirate nowdays [19:40]
mircea_popescu Eisenhower34 that'd be a different problem : you've made a website for something that already happens otc [19:40]
mircea_popescu nobody wants/needs it, and if they did they'd make it (those people who already trade cds otc, that is) [19:40]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 1 @ 0.0344 BTC [-] [19:41]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITCOINRS] 1 @ 0.001 BTC [-] [19:41]
Eisenhower34 thats not the problem. the problem are those comments : "Government ID please. ""We wouldn't want this to be another scam right?""Are you willing to provide a legal adress under which someone could be held accountable in case of fraud?" "I'll never conduct business with a "company" who refuses to even tell me the address where they are based." [19:42]
mircea_popescu actually, greyhawk has a point. specifically In that case you are of course aware that providing no contact information/full "Impressum" for your "business" is illegal under German legislation. Your website is a perfect opportunity for an Abmahnanwalt to sue the fuck out of you. [19:42]
mircea_popescu this is factually correct. [19:43]
Eisenhower34 im in the internet biz for more than 5 years [19:43]
Eisenhower34 and I have never been sued [19:43]
mircea_popescu this is a poor argument tho. [19:43]
Eisenhower34 my server and domains are hosted in USA [19:43]
Eisenhower34 and i have a Whois protection [19:44]
OneEyed Satoshi dice September net profit: 2065.3 BTC [19:44]
OneEyed Nice! [19:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00549093 BTC [+] [19:44]
mircea_popescu OneEyed actually shitty [19:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00549094 BTC [+] [19:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00577557 BTC [+] [19:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00617672 = 0.0124 BTC [+] [19:44]
mircea_popescu wasn't statistical expectation 4k ? [19:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIT.INC] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [+] [19:44]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: that may be relatively shitty according to some criteria, but for something that requires no maintenance, that's great [19:45]
OneEyed Compared to the hosting/tech expenses: 50 BTC [19:45]
mircea_popescu :p [19:45]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: how do you make out of MPEX? :) [19:45]
assbot [GLBSE] [BIT.INC] 1 @ 0.05000001 BTC [-] [19:45]
mircea_popescu was 4.5k last month [19:45]
mircea_popescu but admittedly was a very good one [19:45]
OneEyed Only from commissions on sales and PGP registrations? [19:46]
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OneEyed (I mean, only directly from MPEX) [19:46]
mircea_popescu that's mpex. mpoe is my old options page [19:46]
assbot [GLBSE] [BBBB] 8 @ 0.00016 = 0.0013 BTC [+] [19:46]
mircea_popescu o mpex made like 1k [19:46]
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mircea_popescu or just under that [19:46]
* mircea_popescu gives up and pulls the statements [19:46]
OneEyed :) [19:46]
mircea_popescu OneEyed a little over 500 [19:47]
assbot [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.484 BTC [+] [19:47]
assbot [GLBSE] [NASTY] 1 @ 0.4848 BTC [+] [19:47]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: does it require a lot of maintenance or does it run mostly by itself? (I would guess the second) [19:48]
pigeons if mircea_popescu was really making money off porn, he would list it on glbse, so i know he's lying [19:48]
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mircea_popescu well all payments are approved manually for instance. [19:49]
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mircea_popescu pigeons ahahah [19:49]
OneEyed Prudent, but a real burden, especially if you need to go away for a while… [19:49]
assbot [GLBSE] [PIMP] 22 @ 0.08999999 = 1.98 BTC [+] [19:49]
OneEyed EskimoBob: you mean because of uncovered hedge issues? [19:49]
OneEyed ^hedge^lever [19:50]
OneEyed (sorry, not familiar with the words here) [19:50]
Chaang-Noi btw keeps moving up [19:50]
mircea_popescu OneEyed hey, i started the thing knowing this so i'm not complaining. [19:51]
Chaang-Noi i mean btc keeps moving up [19:51]
Chaang-Noi go btc [19:51]
mircea_popescu what hedge issues we talkin about ? [19:51]
Chaang-Noi !ticker [19:51]
assbot Provide ticker. [19:51]
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OneEyed mircea_popescu: I don't know, it was a question on my side :) [19:53]
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assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [-] [19:54]
Chaang-Noi lol nefario was here [19:55]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: how would you handle a situation where Patrick would delay the payback of the principal obtained from MPCD? [19:58]
mircea_popescu sell the claim most likely. [19:58]
gribble Best bid: 12.691, Best ask: 12.69898, Bid-ask spread: 0.00798, Last trade: 12.699, 24 hour volume: 41446, 24 hour low: 12.321, 24 hour high: 12.79 [19:59]
OneEyed What would be the value of the asset? The principal or the money obtained from selling the debt? [19:59]
mircea_popescu i would regard him as being in default for it tho, and neg rate [19:59]
mircea_popescu fact of the matter is, i told him at deposit time when the money needs to come out. [19:59]
mircea_popescu that he cut rates in the meanwhile i'll pass [19:59]
mircea_popescu OneEyed money obtained. [19:59]
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OneEyed You should use MPEX to auction the claim first :) [20:00]
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mircea_popescu OneEyed i was thinking of using bitcoin-auctiobn [20:01]
mircea_popescu mpex isn't an auction platform [20:01]
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OneEyed He can be, if you have 1 share to sell. Just don't put a bid before a certain date, and let people place asks, that would be an auction [20:01]
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OneEyed (or the reverse) [20:02]
mircea_popescu meh. [20:02]
OneEyed You can even put the ask at the original price [20:02]
OneEyed Maybe someone is willing to buy the debt in full, god knows why [20:02]
rg chang [20:02]
rg you there? [20:02]
rg Chaang-Noi; you want to buy some ltc? [20:03]
Chaang-Noi hmm [20:03]
Chaang-Noi how many? [20:03]
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rg 3647 [20:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 32382 @ 0.0034 = 110.0988 BTC [+] [20:03]
Chaang-Noi what price? [20:04]
rg 0.00409 [20:04]
BTC-Mining Someone make me a deal, got BTC burning my pockets. [20:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [BDK.BND] 11 @ 0.0495 = 0.5445 BTC [+] [20:04]
rg that's the highest ask on btc-e [20:04]
rg i just dont feel like logging in there, etc [20:04]
gigavps BTC-Mining give them to me [20:04]
Chaang-Noi okay [20:05]
gigavps i'll take care of them for you [20:05]
rg gigavps: will you eat a can of dog food on webcam for btc? [20:05]
rg ive always wanted to see that [20:05]
gigavps rg no, i have enough for the moment [20:05]
rg since the first day i found out about bitcoin-oc [20:05]
rg otc* [20:05]
BTC-Mining Oh, that's a deal Gigavps? Perhaps you could tell me the many benefits of such a deal? [20:05]
Chaang-Noi rg 14.91623 btc right? [20:05]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining see that dice ticker ? that's yourt dal [20:05]
mircea_popescu deal* [20:05]
rg 14.9 is fine [20:05]
gigavps BTC-Mining depends on how much you have [20:05]
mircea_popescu dividends imminent i think [20:06]
Chaang-Noi ok address? [20:06]
BTC-Mining Ahah, dividends, you say [20:06]
rg 1B8pxbrxdGfUa2nxQHbhqyKYtEHgLGciwe [20:06]
rg what's your addy [20:06]
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assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.07 BTC [-] [20:06]
Chaang-Noi LRfWhBeor9hUPd1bkiUavjrKZeYLArnrmu [20:06]
Chaang-Noi thanks [20:06]
rg b984e2c4916bf484788b4a3ab578b0ba9a8a712ac955941674342260c52104b8 [20:07]
Chaang-Noi 362d47bb3eac8e2a650c77713c39dd72a1bec56d54d085d35b0b8ed3dee3ed47 [20:07]
Chaang-Noi :) [20:07]
mircea_popescu someone should make a scamcoin altchain which uses adresses in the format 1ililililiiiilli [20:07]
mircea_popescu 1 followed just by i and l [20:07]
OneEyed 1iIlo0Oi1l [20:08]
mircea_popescu obviously no checksum [20:08]
Chaang-Noi how about l and o so looololoooool ? [20:08]
mircea_popescu o ya, O/0 workls too [20:08]
mircea_popescu haha goat, could be the lolcoin [20:08]
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rg i need to pay some bills [20:13]
rg deego isnt awake yet [20:13]
rg he always pays my bills [20:13]
rg arf [20:13]
assbot [GLBSE] [JLP-BMD] 1 @ 0.08999999 BTC [+] [20:13]
Chaang-Noi night all.. think i tracked down the dragon... [20:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00400001 BTC [-] [20:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 5 @ 0.004 = 0.02 BTC [-] [20:14]
Chaang-Noi .004? oh lulz [20:14]
Chaang-Noi night [20:14]
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assbot [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.57999999 BTC [+] [20:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.58 = 1.16 BTC [+] [20:17]
OneEyed Obviously that didn't cause you to mass buy OBSI.HRPT, so news are probably not good :) [20:17]
BTC-Mining Wait, gigavps, were you serious? [20:18]
BTC-Mining What would you do with the bitcoins? [20:18]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.00389 = 0.0778 BTC [+] [20:18]
gigavps how often do you see me joking? [20:19]
mircea_popescu awww wait, so patrick harnett defaulted too ? [20:19]
BTC-Mining Not often... but on IRC most are more casual than on the forum. [20:19]
BTC-Mining Patrick Harnett defaulted eh? [20:20]
mircea_popescu i dunno, did he ? [20:20]
mircea_popescu i don't see an announcement, just random bs from usagi & retard gang. [20:21]
BTC-Mining Oh [20:21]
BTC-Mining I have to go harass Amazingrando [20:22]
BTC-Mining I'll be back [20:22]
rg [13:18] how often do you see me joking? [20:23]
rg you used to be fun [20:24]
rg before the rig got too big [20:24]
BTC-Mining Everyone is fun until they start doing business. [20:25]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 75 @ 0.004 = 0.3 BTC [-] [20:25]
BTC-Mining Be careful there usagi... with statements like this people will call you a clown. I mean, more than before. [20:26]
mircea_popescu im still fun [20:26]
BTC-Mining OBSI, OBSI, why don't you pay dividends! [20:26]
BTC-Mining Oh wait... 0% - 1% per day eh. I guess he can pay 0%. [20:27]
BTC-Mining Well if you can, why not?? [20:27]
mircea_popescu there need to be some security pundits [20:27]
assbot [GLBSE] [HYDRO.BONDS] 1 @ 1.33 BTC [-] [20:27]
mircea_popescu contracts get more and more complex, people don't like to read [20:27]
mircea_popescu someone needs to make a stock picks column [20:27]
BTC-Mining My contracts are short and clear. [20:28]
mircea_popescu 0-1% is short and clear too [20:28]
BTC-Mining Oh yeah, we have to give that to Obsi [20:28]
OneEyed BTC-Mining: + "In the event of failure of the entity receiving pass-through investment, these bonds will not be repurchased." [20:28]
mircea_popescu Chaang-Noi "I now have more BTC than I once did. What this is for is unclear." wait. what ?! [20:28]
assbot [GLBSE] [BMF] 1 @ 0.40300001 BTC [-] [20:28]
OneEyed "Whatever the entity is. You cannot check that didn't just steal your BTC. You lose." <-- should have been added too [20:29]
mircea_popescu and ofcourse the entity is secret, so the claim can't be verified. [20:29]
OneEyed That's convenient [20:29]
mircea_popescu OneEyed people need to learn somehow that calling yourself "investor" doesn't make you one [20:29]
OneEyed :) [20:29]
assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07315001 BTC [-] [20:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5520 @ 0.00036447 = 2.0119 BTC [+] [20:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 980 @ 0.00036451 = 0.3572 BTC [+] [20:30]
OneEyed I guess many people feel safer with such "I may screw you clause, invest accordingly" because they feel warned and more empowered by their decision to "invest" [20:30]
BTC-Mining Psst, BTC-BOND. The entity is myself and myself only. [20:30]
mircea_popescu OneEyed possibly true. it does not scale tho. [20:31]
BTC-Mining If you can't trade, loan the funds to me. There's my personal portfolio in front of loaned money to absorb losses. [20:31]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining weren't you complaining you're cash heavy a second ago ? [20:31]
OneEyed The silence can be very noisy sometimes… [20:32]
BTC-Mining I do a lot of trading. I almost always have a large part of funds in bids. [20:32]
BTC-Mining Usually around 10 - 25% [20:32]
BTC-Mining Doesn't mean I can't use more funds. [20:32]
BTC-Mining Could have more bids up or simply keep it placed. [20:33]
OneEyed BTC-Mining: why don't you directly post MIN/MAX/DURATION/INTERESTS? [20:35]
mircea_popescu a good ideea that [20:35]
BTC-Mining MIN/MAX/DURATION/INTERESTS? [20:35]
OneEyed How much you want (MIN/MAX), for how long, and what you're ready to pay as interests for the loan [20:35]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 1 @ 0.84 BTC [-] [20:36]
BTC-Mining It's already all stated in BTC-BOND's contract. [20:36]
BTC-Mining 0.5% weekly, 200% collateral [20:36]
BTC-Mining I can buy back your bonds upon request. [20:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASIC.COOP] 1 @ 0.85 BTC [+] [20:37]
BTC-Mining Aye, happy with them? [20:39]
OneEyed Oh, "secured by GLBSE assets". I would chose FDBF if I wanted to trust GLBSE right now, better interest rates. [20:39]
BTC-Mining Eh... [20:40]
BTC-Mining I want to see first if BFL really delivers their ASIC beggining of November [20:40]
mircea_popescu iirc he holds some mpex stuff too [20:40]
OneEyed That will be funny to look at. [20:41]
BTC-Mining OneEyed: better interest, but what protection does FDBF offer? [20:42]
OneEyed BTC-Mining: none if GLBSE market crashes completely [20:42]
OneEyed usagi: you could do that with Pirate at the beginning too [20:42]
OneEyed usagi: like GBF. Very nice owner, very bad returns. [20:42]
OneEyed usagi: you wouldn't have known by doing your liquidity test at the beginning [20:43]
OneEyed usagi: "be transparent"? [20:43]
OneEyed And yet you'll call out funds :) [20:43]
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BTC-Mining oh, FDBF is a fund. [20:44]
OneEyed BTC-Mining: yep, the most transparent I've seen in a while [20:44]
BTC-Mining BTC-BOND is not a fund [20:44]
OneEyed Yes, I know. But the goal is to get money, right? Given that both are on GLBSE, they are practically indistinguishable by casual investors. [20:45]
BTC-Mining Contractually, they are quite different in how they work however. [20:46]
OneEyed usagi: aren't you in complete control of CPA/BMF/NYAN.* already? [20:47]
OneEyed So you're saying that you'll multiply the investors BTC without ever risking their money? [20:48]
BTC-Mining FDBF is PsychoticBoy and Paladon. [20:48]
OneEyed BTC-Mining: yup [20:48]
BTC-Mining Not friedcat's [20:48]
OneEyed I thought friedcat reference was some kind of a joke I didn't get. Is there really someone nicknamed friedcat? [20:49]
OneEyed Ok, never seen his name. Maybe because there's no asic yet. [20:49]
BTC-Mining aye [20:49]
DeaDTerra FriedCat also runs MOORE and MU [20:49]
BTC-Mining Difference is, FDBF would have losses as soon as any holding they have a loss of value. BTC-BOND would not. [20:50]
BTC-Mining So it might pay less but not without extra benefits. [20:51]
OneEyed usagi: the problem with GLBSE and MPEX is that they act as a broker, in addition to being an exchange. As long as they don't keep an outside copy of the up-to-date investors portfolios, they disappearing make their investors broke [20:51]
mircea_popescu isnt friedcat the face of asicminer ? [20:51]
OneEyed usagi: if a protocol could be worked out with those brokers to ensure the information is not lost if they default or get hacked, then they would be usable without concerns [20:51]
BTC-Mining @mircea_popescu yes [20:52]
mircea_popescu OneEyed actually mpex has brokers. [20:52]
mircea_popescu if you choose to go through one mpex is just the exchange [20:52]
mircea_popescu if you chose to talk to it directly YOU are the broker. [20:52]
copumpkin in soviet romania, BROKER IS YOU [20:53]
mircea_popescu the 20 btc you pay pretty much gets you a floor spot. you can trade on your own acct or be a broker, w/e. [20:53]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: more or less - you can still not prove ownership of a share to the asset owner, can you? [20:53]
mircea_popescu sure you can [20:53]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: (you can only prove that you bought a share, but that doesn't show that you haven't sold it) [20:53]
mircea_popescu you have signed stats. [20:53]
copumpkin it'd be nice to get subset statements [20:53]
mircea_popescu copumpkin possibly. [20:53]
copumpkin so you don't have to reveal your entire holdings to your clients, as a broker [20:53]
OneEyed usagi: is it public? [20:54]
copumpkin but you at least have a statement signed by MPEX saying that you own shit [20:54]
OneEyed usagi: so it doesn't exist [20:54]
BTC-Mining OneEyed, MPEx makes signed statements of account holdings. [20:54]
OneEyed usagi: such a protocol should be submitted to as many pair of eyes as possible [20:54]
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mircea_popescu copumpkin the problem i see with substatements is this : a person could claim falsely they are covering many accounts with the statements for just the largest one [20:54]
OneEyed BTC-Mining: yes, but it forces you to reveal your portfolio, as underlined by copumpkin [20:54]
copumpkin OneEyed: so not to you, since you only have one? [20:54]
mircea_popescu therefore, this would introduce security theatre, no gain of safety. [20:54]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: yeah [20:54]
OneEyed copumpkin: eheh :) [20:55]
mircea_popescu and as such im not doing it. if client doesn't trust broker client doesn't use broker. [20:55]
BTC-Mining OneEyed, think I'd care about revealing my portfolio? [20:55]
mircea_popescu they can ask for order receipts from mpex, to prove broker isnt a bucket shop [20:55]
BTC-Mining https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AvwwyRGyc1WgdGFKVlAtZVAzOGNqS1Brd05MUlFlT2c [20:55]
OneEyed BTC-Mining: some people could [20:55]
BTC-Mining It's been public since I started BTC-BOND [20:55]
guruvan yes it would be nice to be able to show someone one asset signed, without showing the whole portfolio [20:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00036273 = 3.6636 BTC [-] [20:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00036075 = 9.5599 BTC [-] [20:56]
mircea_popescu guruvan see above tho [20:56]
Diablo-D3 back again [20:56]
Diablo-D3 BTC-Mining: pay out yet? [20:56]
BTC-Mining Nope, got to go harass Amazingrando once again [20:57]
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guruvan ah - yeah - that works fine, especially for a project I'm working on over here [20:58]
BTC-Mining Eh, he keeps forgetting about poor BTC-MINING [20:59]
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assbot [GLBSE] [BAKEWELL] 2 @ 0.149 = 0.298 BTC [+] [21:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00719998 BTC [+] [21:13]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 39 @ 0.00719999 = 0.2808 BTC [+] [21:13]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 5 @ 0.8 = 4 BTC [-] [21:18]
assbot [GLBSE] [BFLS.RIG] 15 @ 0.799 = 11.985 BTC [-] [21:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] [PAID] 10000000 @ 0.00002065 = 206.53002099 BTC [21:21]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 300 @ 0.00044181 = 0.1325 BTC [+] [21:21]
mircea_popescu !pl s.dice [21:22]
assbot !pl [@] [] [21:22]
mircea_popescu !pl s.dice .0032 [21:22]
assbot Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc). [21:22]
assbot GLBSE 404 [21:22]
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assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+] [21:22]
femtotube ;;echo blah [21:22]
gribble blah [21:22]
femtotube ;;echo GLBSE only [21:23]
gribble GLBSE only [21:23]
mircea_popescu indeed [21:23]
mircea_popescu !pl s.dice .0032 [21:23]
assbot Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc). [21:23]
mircea_popescu hum [21:23]
assbot GLBSE 404 [21:23]
mircea_popescu !pl gsdpt .0032 [21:23]
assbot Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc). [21:23]
assbot GSDPT [1@0.0032BTC] paid: 7.468E-5 BTC. Last price: 0.00389 BTC. Capital gain: 0.00069 BTC. Total: 0.00076468 BTC. (23.9%) [21:23]
mircea_popescu heh [21:23]
OneEyed Dividends have probably not be paid there yet [21:23]
OneEyed since it's a passthrough to MPEX… [21:23]
mircea_popescu 389 tho ? heh. [21:24]
femtotube OneEyed: 95% of divs only gets passed [21:24]
OneEyed femtotube: yeah, but even those 95% have probably not been passed yet [21:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [BLUECHIP] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [+] [21:25]
femtotube I wonder when those guys will back the bags and move on. He got his 10 years or so upfront [21:25]
mircea_popescu hopefully next month is 2x over expectation and that expectation is 6k or something [21:26]
mircea_popescu femtotube only 10% ever was put up for sale so far. [21:26]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1239647#msg1239647 mebbe help the guy out [21:27]
femtotube 10% of a imaginary value, bloated way out of proportions [21:27]
mircea_popescu all value is imaginary. [21:27]
femtotube what was the size of the issue in BTC? [21:28]
femtotube dice [21:28]
mircea_popescu ~35k [21:28]
femtotube .calc 35x12= [21:30]
markac femtotube: Sorry, can't calculate that. [21:30]
markac Note that .calc is deprecated, consider using .c [21:30]
femtotube .calc 35 * 12 [21:30]
markac femtotube: Sorry, can't calculate that. [21:30]
markac Note that .calc is deprecated, consider using .c [21:30]
femtotube . 35 * 12 = [21:30]
DeaDTerra GSDPT dividend will be paid in a couple of secs :) [21:30]
femtotube .c 35 * 12 = [21:30]
markac 420 [21:30]
mircea_popescu .py 2 * 32 + 5 * 34 + 3 * 37 / 10 [21:30]
markac 245 [21:30]
mircea_popescu pff [21:30]
mircea_popescu .py (2 * 32 + 5 * 34 + 3 * 37) / 10 [21:30]
markac 34 [21:30]
femtotube i did it faster in my head :) lol [21:30]
femtotube .c 35*12= [21:31]
markac 420 [21:31]
femtotube OK, I see [21:31]
mircea_popescu what do you see ? [21:31]
DeaDTerra 12.282453 BTC paid in dividend to GSDPT [21:31]
mircea_popescu .py (2 * 32 + 5 * 34 + 3 * 37.0) / 10 [21:32]
markac 34.5 [21:32]
femtotube LOL, this is funny, that something like that is valued at 4.2MM usd [21:32]
mircea_popescu .py (2 * 32 + 5 * 34 + 3 * 37.0) / 10.0 [21:32]
markac 34.5 [21:32]
mircea_popescu i agree. i don't see how it's worth under 50-100mn. [21:32]
femtotube ??? [21:32]
femtotube yen? [21:32]
mircea_popescu dollars/euros/whatever irrelevant fiat. [21:32]
femtotube whats the cost of 200 h of programming and testing? [21:33]
PsychoticBoy lol come on a simple site and game 4 fucking million, wtf, more like 50K [21:33]
mircea_popescu apple's worth a trillion on the strength of owning a market that's bound to be irrelevant soon [21:33]
mircea_popescu dice owns a market that's set to dominate soon. [21:33]
femtotube apple has NOTHING to do with 200 h of programming and testing [21:33]
mircea_popescu PsychoticBoy i dunno why people keep thinking in terms of "o, a site" [21:33]
mircea_popescu it's not a site. [21:33]
mircea_popescu it's the source of the majority of bitcoin transactions. [21:33]
kakobrekla pain in the ass. [21:33]
PsychoticBoy no its a sinple game, programmed by a 4 year old [21:33]
femtotube who cares, it can be copied so easily [21:33]
mircea_popescu hey, what can i tell you. [21:34]
PsychoticBoy Wish I thought of it [21:34]
mircea_popescu the iphone is an ugly piece of plastic [21:34]
mircea_popescu what sort of reasoning is this [21:34]
mircea_popescu femtotube so copy it, cash in. [21:34]
OneEyed PsychoticBoy: I'm sure you're upset not to have had the idea first. [21:34]
OneEyed I for sure am :) [21:34]
femtotube hmmm... not a bad idea but i do not like gambling [21:34]
PsychoticBoy lol indeed [21:34]
mircea_popescu OneEyed i got tons of ideas for you if you can code worth a shit and are willing to put the hours in [21:34]
mircea_popescu thing is, nobody can code, nobody wants to work, everyone wants to sit tits up and go "oh, these things that people pay money for aren't worth money" [21:35]
mircea_popescu da fuck. [21:35]
femtotube I can not code at all :( but I have some cool ideas too [21:35]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: time is a factor. Concerning whether I can code or not, Ohloh can tell you [21:35]
mircea_popescu OneEyed was just making a point. [21:35]
mircea_popescu yes time is a factor. that's what makes founders make money. they put the time in. [21:35]
OneEyed Yup, agreed [21:36]
OneEyed https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/oneeyed <== shows I like to code [21:37]
femtotube If I can find someone to trust and write good code... [21:38]
femtotube impossible task probably [21:38]
mircea_popescu ;;rate OneEyed 1 So he can code. [21:38]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user OneEyed has been recorded. [21:38]
OneEyed :-> [21:38]
femtotube OneEyed: looking at the URL, you have way too much free time :) [21:39]
mircea_popescu cvs commits to cvs lol. that's something. [21:39]
OneEyed Yeah, I was a student then, and we worked on CVS with the team from a small company named "Cyclic Software" [21:39]
OneEyed CVS had just got client/server capabilities [21:39]
kakobrekla lol at least smpake is getting some traffic cause of bit4x [21:40]
femtotube OneEyed: no more work on kernel? [21:40]
femtotube why did you stop? [21:40]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.111099 = 0.5555 BTC [-] [21:41]
OneEyed femtotube: I didn't "work" on the kernel, I wrote a driver for the watchdog of my dedicated server. I usually contribute when I need something, except for some projects that I find fun for some time, like c:geo [21:41]
femtotube OK, but still.. THE Kernel :) [21:42]
mircea_popescu pff, just a kernel [21:42]
mircea_popescu anyone could have done it. [21:42]
OneEyed :) [21:42]
OneEyed It helps that I teach how to write Linux device drivers in my embedded systems course. That was just a driver, indeed. Read the datasheet, write code, …, profit. [21:43]
mircea_popescu again with the utf [21:43]
OneEyed Yeah. I also have various dashes - – — [21:43]
* mircea_popescu goes on a rampage painting dots on the landscape [21:43]
OneEyed (shit, my font renders them the same way in my terminal) [21:43]
mircea_popescu :D [21:43]
mircea_popescu I WIN [21:43]
OneEyed In a text document they appear with different lengths :) [21:44]
OneEyed (read "widths", sorry) [21:44]
femtotube dam, is there anything positive in the forums or only scamm accusations, rippoffs and everyday crap :( [21:44]
mircea_popescu femtotube there's porn. [21:44]
OneEyed femtotube: yeah, one think I have learned since I joined bitcointalk in July is that it's mostly shit [21:45]
femtotube sure, I have wife and kids right behind me at the moment. [21:45]
OneEyed femtotube: he was not asking you to *produce* porn :) [21:45]
femtotube I did understand that [21:45]
OneEyed (that was a joke, apparently a bad one) [21:45]
femtotube he probably wants to send me some of his porn links [21:45]
mircea_popescu femtotube no, you were just being trolled. [21:46]
femtotube is that what you call trolling? [21:46]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 5300 @ 0.00044181 = 2.3416 BTC [+] [21:47]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3290 @ 0.00044181 = 1.4536 BTC [+] [21:47]
BTC-Mining Forum is 99% whining/scamming [21:47]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining kinda why i like irc. the vast majority of scammers doesn't have the technical ability to hang out yet. [21:47]
femtotube 350000 @ 0.00012501? [21:47]
kakobrekla lol [21:47]
femtotube ppcoin looks like next funnymoney [21:48]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 31 @ 0.00719999 = 0.2232 BTC [+] [21:49]
BTC-Mining funnymoney? Let's shorten it to funmoney. [21:50]
BTC-Mining Or better yet, funney [21:50]
mircea_popescu funnely [21:50]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00410001 BTC [-] [21:51]
femtotube just F* [21:51]
assbot [GLBSE] [CPA] 2 @ 0.015 = 0.03 BTC [-] [21:53]
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assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.0041002 = 0.1189 BTC [+] [22:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.0041002 BTC [+] [22:04]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 70 @ 0.0041001 = 0.287 BTC [-] [22:04]
mircea_popescu femtotube just for my curiosity : does it occur to you s.dice would do much better by stealing the bets than by stealing the shareholders money ? [22:05]
mircea_popescu it processes >200k btc a month anyway [22:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 29 @ 0.00410001 = 0.1189 BTC [-] [22:06]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 344 @ 0.004 = 1.376 BTC [-] [22:06]
assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-] [22:09]
assbot [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.06199999 BTC [+] [22:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.0034 = 1.02 BTC [-] [22:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0034 BTC [-] [22:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 19445 @ 0.0034 = 66.113 BTC [-] [22:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 2 @ 0.00495 = 0.0099 BTC [+] [22:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [MERGEDMINING] 1 @ 0.03 BTC [-] [22:11]
grubles !ticker s.dice [22:12]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1day: 0.0034 / 0.0034 / 0.0034 (148238 shares, 504.01 BTC), 30day: 0.00325001 / 0.00337675 / 0.0034 (1922813 shares, 6,492.86 BTC) [22:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1036 @ 0.00036075 = 0.3737 BTC [-] [22:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00036074 = 6.2408 BTC [-] [22:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33164 @ 0.00036063 = 11.9599 BTC [-] [22:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 90 @ 0.00339999 = 0.306 BTC [-] [22:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 52 @ 0.003392 = 0.1764 BTC [-] [22:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.00339103 = 0.3391 BTC [-] [22:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 700 @ 0.00339102 = 2.3737 BTC [-] [22:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 333 @ 0.00339101 = 1.1292 BTC [-] [22:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1300 @ 0.003391 = 4.4083 BTC [-] [22:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 300 @ 0.00331 = 0.993 BTC [-] [22:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 12 @ 0.003301 = 0.0396 BTC [-] [22:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 58 @ 0.0033 = 0.1914 BTC [-] [22:15]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 1200 @ 0.0033 = 3.96 BTC [-] [22:15]
mircea_popescu haha div paid ? [22:16]
BTC-Mining looks like it [22:18]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GIGAMINING] 2 @ 0.59979999 = 1.1996 BTC [+] [22:23]
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DeaDTerra Dividend was indeed paid for GSDPT [22:25]
OneEyed DeaDTerra: good luck on closing down GBF, I'm reading your post now [22:26]
Diablo-D3 DeaDTerra is closing his fund? [22:26]
OneEyed Diablo-D3: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.msg1239841;topicseen#msg1239841 [22:26]
Diablo-D3 I thought I was subscribed to the gbf thread [22:26]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+] [22:26]
femtotube "mircea_popescu | femtotube just for my curiosity..." I agree, that stealing and walking away not to long after successful IPO are similar acts but they are not really the same. [22:28]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.06 BTC [-] [22:28]
assbot [GLBSE] [DMC] 1 @ 0.02 BTC [-] [22:28]
mircea_popescu but point being, they'd make more that way. [22:28]
Diablo-D3 DeaDTerra: so that 1 BTC I invested, what did it end up coming out as? [22:28]
mircea_popescu site is trusted to the tune of 1/4 mn a month in bets. [22:28]
femtotube mircea_popescu: are they making 4.2 USD that way? [22:29]
femtotube No, they are not [22:29]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: it depends, dodn't forget that if SatoshiDice were to stop paying people, word will spread very rapidly, since they use 0 confirmations payout is immediate [22:29]
DeaDTerra Yes I am closing the fund unfortunatly [22:29]
femtotube Thy can not steal that large of a % [22:29]
DeaDTerra The 1 BTC ended up at 0.9 ^^ [22:30]
mircea_popescu OneEyed except recently they had a day's worth of payments on backlog recall ? [22:30]
OneEyed DeaDTerra: I have had the occasion to tell you already, but I'll say it again a last time: I've not been lucky with my investment, but you were very nice as a manager, and for this I thank you [22:30]
DeaDTerra It was as high as 1.38 then we had tons of defaults and bad investments. [22:30]
BTC-Mining Currently buying in bulk: BIB.BVPS, S.BVPS, GIGAMINING, DMC, ASICMINER or anything else if it's a really good offer. [22:30]
Diablo-D3 DeaDTerra: know how you feel =/ [22:30]
femtotube best way is to run IPO, and than say ... of we can not run it any more. Some gambling blah is after us ... end of the story [22:30]
DeaDTerra Thank you!, It was not a easy decision to make, I must say. [22:30]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: ok, so they could get away with 3 days maybe, so 1/10th of the monthly bets, or 1/5th of the average profit. Might be enough as a scam though. [22:31]
Diablo-D3 I think maybe bitcoin just isnt ready for prime time yet [22:31]
femtotube BTC-Mining: why? [22:31]
DeaDTerra It has been a big part of my life several hours a day for a year, all the people I have meet all the people that have trusted me. Felt horrible to let them all down, but I would rather cut it off now then to deterirate and become a shell of what it once was. [22:31]
gigavps femtotube because moar is betta [22:31]
femtotube "moar is betta" let me process that [22:32]
femtotube gigavps: no, you are wrong :) [22:32]
femtotube at least I can not agree [22:32]
gigavps lol, i am wrong at times [22:32]
femtotube hold on, is DeaDTerra closing the shop? [22:32]
BTC-Mining femtotube: why not? [22:33]
mircea_popescu OneEyed 1/10 of daily bets is the monthly profit for half a year. [22:33]
DeaDTerra I am closing up Gamma Bitcoin Fund [22:33]
mircea_popescu DeaDTerra jeez [22:33]
femtotube !pl GBF 1 [22:33]
assbot Requesting data from GLBSE (might take a while, also might return fishy results as it does not account for splits etc). [22:33]
mircea_popescu there's literally nothing going to be left huh. [22:33]
assbot GLBSE 404 [22:33]
OneEyed mircea_popescu: yeah, my computations were totally out [22:33]
DeaDTerra account based only. [22:33]
mircea_popescu OneEyed iirc they do like 1.9% or something [22:34]
BTC-Mining DeaDTerra, why close it? [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11039988 = 0.2208 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.10800001 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.108 = 0.54 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [-] [22:34]
OneEyed BTC-Mining: it is explained here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.msg1239841;topicseen#msg1239841 [22:34]
DeaDTerra Yea :8, for the communities sake I would like to keep it going, but I don't have the time to keep the quality where I want it, and I don't want to offer a shitty service. [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.105102 = 1.051 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 29 @ 0.105101 = 3.0479 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.105 = 1.26 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.10352448 = 1.1388 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.10311 = 0.2062 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.10302 = 1.0302 BTC [-] [22:34]
femtotube what's the symbol and IPO price you had? [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 12 @ 0.10300101 = 1.236 BTC [-] [22:34]
DeaDTerra several reasons [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.103 = 1.545 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 39 @ 0.101102 = 3.943 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 15 @ 0.101002 = 1.515 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10100006 = 0.505 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 36 @ 0.10100005 = 3.636 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10100002 = 0.505 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 20 @ 0.10100001 = 2.02 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 158 @ 0.101 = 15.958 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 6 @ 0.10031 = 0.6019 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.1002 = 0.2004 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.1001 = 5.005 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.10007 = 0.7005 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.10000002 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.10000002 = 0.5 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.10000002 = 10 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 35 @ 0.10000002 = 3.5 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.10000002 = 1.1 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 163 @ 0.10000001 = 16.3 BTC [-] [22:34]
mircea_popescu hey, BTC-Mining is buying! [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.1 = 0.5 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.1 = 8 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 147 @ 0.1 = 14.7 BTC [-] [22:34]
Diablo-D3 wtf? [22:34]
femtotube BTC-Mining your lucky day! You wanted ASICMINER [22:34]
OneEyed Looks like someone dumped a lot of shares of ASICMINER [22:34]
Diablo-D3 why is asicminer crashing? [22:34]
mircea_popescu OneEyed a lot = 30 btc worth [22:35]
DeaDTerra Several reasons [22:35]
DeaDTerra https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.msg1239841#msg1239841 [22:35]
femtotube .c 30*12= [22:35]
markac 360 [22:35]
DeaDTerra please read the full statement [22:35]
mircea_popescu DeaDTerra are you also discontinuing gsdpt ? [22:35]
DeaDTerra femtotube, it was not share based but account based. [22:35]
femtotube OK [22:36]
BTC-Mining arf... but I didn't have a bid up [22:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11109889 BTC [+] [22:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 7 @ 0.1110989 = 0.7777 BTC [+] [22:36]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 33 @ 0.0033995 = 0.1122 BTC [+] [22:36]
BTC-Mining People need to tell me where to place my bids =/ [22:36]
mircea_popescu so put it up now lolz [22:36]
DeaDTerra No, I do not plan to do that, I might though if SEC says it's illegal or if GLBSE goes the way of having to register everything. I am seing the BTC securities going from gray to dark gray [22:36]
DeaDTerra once it turns just a hint of black I am out. [22:36]
Diablo-D3 yeah [22:37]
mircea_popescu seems more a problem of glbse trust pushing them down than anything. [22:37]
Diablo-D3 its just getting ugly fast =/ [22:37]
DeaDTerra Totally transparent, daily updated log books and the whole portfolio updated daily and publically open [22:37]
OneEyed DeaDTerra: you'll probably get the question, so: will you allow people to sell their accounts (at a discount if they want out faster than is described)? [22:37]
DeaDTerra how things should be run, instead of promising things you can't hold and then default [22:38]
DeaDTerra Yea sure, I have nothing against that, it's a open market [22:38]
DeaDTerra I want to note acount balance does not mean amount paid out. [22:38]
DeaDTerra The amount paid out will be the amount of BTC you have invested/total BTC invested * bitcoins liquidated [22:39]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.10800002 = 0.432 BTC [-] [22:39]
OneEyed Yeah, of course, and I've seen your answer to strello [22:39]
DeaDTerra Good just want to make that clear so I don't end up being called a scammer or something like that. [22:39]
femtotube was there a saying that you buy when there is blood on the streets and sell, when everyone has a party? Or something like that? [22:39]
OneEyed I think it will need to be stressed more, as some people will expect the exact amount [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00036094 = 6.6052 BTC [+] [22:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00036451 = 12.4298 BTC [+] [22:40]
DeaDTerra okay I added a edit to explain that part. [22:41]
mircea_popescu so pretty much BTC-Mining and the dutch ppls are what's left in glbse funds at any sort of standard ? [22:42]
femtotube dutch ppls ? The flying one? [22:43]
DeaDTerra I will say though, when there's a market for it, I have enough time and people want me to I am happy to open up GBF again, but right now neither of these are true. [22:43]
OneEyed DeaDTerra: another remark: "The logbooks will not be daily but weekly and will reflect the amount liquidated" [22:43]
mircea_popescu femtotube yes, paladon and PsychoticBoy [22:43]
DeaDTerra yea? [22:43]
OneEyed DeaDTerra: how will people know what how the "expected" amount evolves? [22:43]
DeaDTerra I will keep the current way of calculating NAV [22:44]
OneEyed Ok, makes sense. This will converge towards 0 this way. [22:44]
DeaDTerra so I will have a amount liquidated and that will be the liquid BTC and then I will have amount left and that will be the value of the illiquid assets [22:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.40050001 BTC [-] [22:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.4005 BTC [-] [22:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.4003 BTC [-] [22:44]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 2 @ 0.4002 = 0.8004 BTC [-] [22:44]
OneEyed And people should also realize that your way of liquidating means that they may get their current investment back, or even get more of it. [22:45]
mircea_popescu DeaDTerra is there a spreadsheet ? [22:45]
DeaDTerra Several [22:45]
mircea_popescu so link me [22:45]
OneEyed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.msg830645#msg830645 [22:46]
assbot [GLBSE] [FPGAMINING] 1 @ 0.376 BTC [-] [22:46]
DeaDTerra Links to google docs: [22:46]
DeaDTerra Fund assets and holdings: [22:46]
DeaDTerra https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq6Ug2ODt-l2dC13WldWaTBWQVNYZWRwVDgtQmhzUkE [22:46]
DeaDTerra Daily updated log book: [22:46]
DeaDTerra https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq6Ug2ODt-l2dHBoeDFWTC10QXYwR25rRXctWUE3a3c#gid=16 [22:46]
DeaDTerra List of investors and their holdings: [22:46]
DeaDTerra https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjO5QWRR9dAHdHZJRE1WRU00RWVEcEFNT0FQWmtlYmc#gid=0 [22:46]
mircea_popescu a hehe ty [22:46]
femtotube mircea_popescu: but the flying D is inevstinf to different GLBSE issues. So, if there is nothing left to invest, who will they be worth anything? [22:47]
mircea_popescu so zip.a 180 cpa 430 rebate 780 ouch bmf 874 ouch [22:48]
mircea_popescu jesus you got washed [22:48]
OneEyed femtotube: that's also my fear. Right now they do fine, more than fine even, but if they grow, they'll have nothing to invest into [22:48]
femtotube btw, s.dice total issue is 20.6K BTC? [22:48]
DeaDTerra Yep :( [22:48]
mircea_popescu femtotube 2mn at 0.0032, 5mn at 34, 3mn at 37 [22:49]
mircea_popescu tis in the contract. [22:49]
femtotube and at that rate they go, it will take 10 years to earn what they are taking home from IPO? no no ... [22:49]
femtotube I must be wrong here [22:49]
DeaDTerra Okay, I am leaving now guys. Please keep a eye on the GBF thread and keep it calm and cilizied until I get back okay? :) [22:49]
mircea_popescu they make about 2-5k net a month [22:49]
mircea_popescu it would take them ~6 months [22:49]
femtotube 30K BTC for 10%! and 10% from 2K is 200 [22:50]
BTC-Mining So 60 months it would take... [22:50]
mircea_popescu well wait. [22:50]
mircea_popescu who's "them" then ? [22:50]
femtotube them = the s.dice guy [22:51]
mircea_popescu the shares make roughly 15-20% a year on dividends, yes [22:51]
mircea_popescu the s.dice GUY makes 2-5k a month [22:51]
femtotube no, it 10% [22:51]
mircea_popescu and so it'd be ~6 months [22:51]
mircea_popescu dude. he makes the whole net. he owns 9x% of the shares. [22:51]
femtotube he makes 2-5K but investors paid 30K for 10% [22:51]
jcpham seems legit [22:52]
mircea_popescu right. [22:52]
jcpham evoorhees i like [22:52]
femtotube so, it takes 60 months [22:52]
mircea_popescu and on that 34.5k they realise through dividends about 15-20% a year. [22:52]
BTC-Mining What's the 6 month you are talking about? [22:52]
mircea_popescu BTC-Mining he asked how long does the guy take to make what the shareholders paid. [22:52]
femtotube forget that for now [22:52]
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mircea_popescu or at least that's what i got. but anyway [22:52]
femtotube this is irrelevant and confuses the heck out of it [22:52]
mircea_popescu ok, so start over. [22:53]
femtotube the total ipo is 30K BTC yes (give or take) [22:53]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 1 @ 0.00402001 BTC [-] [22:53]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 24 @ 0.00402 = 0.0965 BTC [-] [22:53]
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mircea_popescu 34.5k for 10% of the shares, yes [22:53]
femtotube and this 34.5K BTC represents 10% of the Co? [22:53]
mircea_popescu yea [22:54]
femtotube now, if investors get 200 BTC a month [22:54]
femtotube for divs [22:54]
mircea_popescu they'd likely get more. 200 was half the expected yield this month [22:54]
femtotube it will take [22:54]
femtotube .c 35000/200= [22:54]
markac 175 [22:54]
femtotube .c 175/12 [22:55]
markac 14.5833333 [22:55]
femtotube 14 years? [22:55]
BTC-Mining 34.5K would need then 3.45k a year in divs for 10% or 287.5 BTC per month [22:55]
mircea_popescu if they make 200 btc a month in divs it will take ~15 years for the divs to accumulate to the level of their original investment. [22:55]
BTC-Mining Yup [22:55]
femtotube they just had a div 206 for investors [22:55]
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mircea_popescu BTC-Mining the expected statistical yield for sept was ~420 iirc [22:55]
mircea_popescu femtotube well, so thei did a 768 div month before that. [22:56]
femtotube mircea_popescu: correct and that what i was trying to tell you [22:56]
femtotube previous statement [22:56]
femtotube .c (768+206)/2 [22:56]
markac 487 [22:56]
mircea_popescu i fail to see the problem tho. dividends are a little above what is paid on nyse commonly. [22:56]
femtotube nex will be 150 :) [22:56]
mircea_popescu so ? [22:56]
femtotube NYSE? you did not say NYSE [22:57]
mircea_popescu yes, i did. [22:57]
mircea_popescu nyse is the antiquated version of mpex. [22:57]
femtotube LOL [22:57]
mircea_popescu some people still stick to that junk [22:57]
mircea_popescu for unclear reasons. [22:57]
BTC-Mining That's exactly the problem. It's not Microsoft co or whatever. It's significantly more risky. [22:57]
BTC-Mining As such, getting such low dividends... [22:57]
femtotube to what? regulated market? Where you can not just lift your hat and say good day and walk? [22:57]
mircea_popescu femtotube dood. mfglobal did EXACTLY what you claim [22:58]
mircea_popescu citi, jpm, everyone. EVERYONE [22:58]
femtotube s.dice is a blockchain spamming web sire where pople gamble. Illegal probably too :) [22:58]
mircea_popescu it's as illegal in fiat as bofa is illegal in btc. [22:58]
mircea_popescu what's your point ? [22:58]
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femtotube mircea_popescu: and how many CO's are listed in NYSE and NASDAQ? [22:59]
midnightmagic lol [22:59]
femtotube for how many YEARS? [22:59]
mircea_popescu femtotube a bunch [22:59]
mircea_popescu well obviously the obsolete version will have more years duh [22:59]
assbot [GLBSE] [MOORE] 6 @ 0.5001 = 3.0006 BTC [+] [22:59]
femtotube is that bunch bigger, than GLBSE and all the others combined? What about daily turn over, market cap etc? [22:59]
mircea_popescu in 1920 the argument that stagecoach was used for YEARS did what exactly ? cars win. [22:59]
mircea_popescu actually, mpex owned the romanian stock exchange on s.dice ipo day [23:00]
mircea_popescu and in general... why do i care about all that crap ? [23:00]
assbot [GLBSE] [MU] 6 @ 0.19 = 1.14 BTC [+] [23:00]
femtotube hyperbole much? [23:00]
mircea_popescu none. [23:00]
mircea_popescu i'm dead serious, too. [23:01]
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assbot [GLBSE] [GERBITIN.PYRA] 2 @ 0.98 = 1.96 BTC [+] [23:03]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 500 @ 0.0004418 = 0.2209 BTC [-] [23:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+] [23:05]
assbot [GLBSE] [MINING] 3 @ 0.8 = 2.4 BTC [+] [23:08]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 14 @ 0.0033995 = 0.0476 BTC [+] [23:08]
PsychoticBoy good evening all, hows life? [23:10]
assbot [GLBSE] [BITBOND] 1 @ 0.25000001 BTC [-] [23:14]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.11099889 = 0.222 BTC [+] [23:15]
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assbot [GLBSE] [YABMC] 1 @ 0.07499999 BTC [+] [23:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [MINING] 1 @ 0.8 BTC [+] [23:17]
assbot [GLBSE] [BBBB] 14 @ 0.00016 = 0.0022 BTC [+] [23:19]
assbot [GLBSE] [BBBB] 181 @ 0.00016 = 0.029 BTC [+] [23:20]
assbot [GLBSE] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.0033995 = 0.102 BTC [+] [23:24]
assbot [GLBSE] [ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-] [23:28]
dub scam accusations sure are backing up [23:29]
dub by undertaking to protect 'the community' in the manner then failing im pretty sure theymos, maged and any other staff are making scammers of themselves [23:30]
assbot [GLBSE] [BBBB] 100 @ 0.00016 = 0.016 BTC [+] [23:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.0003613 = 0.5058 BTC [-] [23:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25594 @ 0.00036451 = 9.3293 BTC [+] [23:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3969 @ 0.00036458 = 1.447 BTC [+] [23:30]
dub the scam accusation forum [23:30]
dub im just commenting that there are a large number of accusation threads that don't seem to have been actioned [23:32]
jcpham i like t print out forum threads as toilet paper [23:33]
jurov imho bitcointalk ought be replaced by something more reddit-like [23:33]
jcpham my ass is much tuufff [23:33]
dub agreed [23:33]
jcpham yerp [23:33]
mircea_popescu dub sauce ? [23:34]
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dub https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 [23:36]
jurov good idea, i should offer it on bitmit.com "Toilet paper with btctalk thread of your choice" [23:36]
mircea_popescu jurov hahaha yea [23:37]
dub I once used a windows 3.x manual for toilet paper [23:37]
dub just to say I had [23:37]
rg lol [23:40]
rg i bet that would sell [23:40]
jurov sorry that i don't have inkjet anymore... dunno how it would work with laser [23:41]
dub jurov: I'll take as many rolls as needed to print all of LoupGaroux, or whatever that fuckwits name is, posts [23:42]
jurov .py 40/0.05 [23:43]
markac 800.0 [23:43]
jurov on 40m roll will fit 800 posts, if average one has 5cm [23:43]
mircea_popescu dub aww you don't like loup ? [23:44]
dub no, of all the arrogant knowitall assclowns that one holds itself in teh highest regard [23:44]
dub also, everyone hates the rench [23:44]
dub french too [23:45]
jurov be careful, romanians are quite close to french :) [23:45]
mircea_popescu lol [23:45]
mircea_popescu it's actually the french that are close to the romanians, or at least trying [23:46]
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mircea_popescu Bugpowder when are you gonna splurge on an irc client ? [23:49]
Bugpowder lol [23:49]
Bugpowder mirc [23:49]
Bugpowder a login script would me nice [23:49]
mircea_popescu xchat, irssi etc [23:49]
Bugpowder Probably when I make some bitcoins on a trade [23:49]
assbot [GLBSE] [OBSI.HRPT] 9 @ 0.004021 = 0.0362 BTC [+] [23:50]
mircea_popescu lol you haven't ?! [23:51]
Bugpowder I have [23:51]
Bugpowder but I will never get out of the F.GIGA.ETF panic sell hole [23:51]
jcpham i bouncer would blow your mind then Bugpowder [23:52]
Bugpowder ibouncer? [23:52]
jcpham excuse me, i'm old. a bnc i mean [23:52]
Bugpowder a bnc cable? [23:53]
jcpham a bnc is an irc proxy [23:53]
jcpham like a private ircdthat you configure [23:53]
Bugpowder ohhh [23:53]
jcpham to stay connected and log [23:53]
mircea_popescu lolz how old are you jcpham ? [23:53]
Bugpowder I might have used that many years ago [23:53]
jcpham 30 something [23:54]
Bugpowder I haven't don't much on IRC since 96-01 [23:54]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder me too. [23:54]
mircea_popescu then btc sucked me back in [23:54]
dub I like to IRC from a bnc terminator [23:55]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 1000 @ 0.0004418 = 0.4418 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 3700 @ 0.0004418 = 1.6347 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 900 @ 0.0004418 = 0.3976 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [F.GIGA.ETF] 2025 @ 0.0004418 = 0.8946 BTC [-] [23:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40143 @ 0.00036458 = 14.6353 BTC [+] [23:56]
Bugpowder I prefer to IRC from my browser window [23:56]
jcpham sad [23:56]
* dub still has a bunch of 10base2 shit lying around for zombie apocalypse purposes [23:56]
jcpham packet radio would be more effective [23:57]
rg hehe i have some BNC pcmcia shit [23:57]
rg dont ask why [23:57]
rg i had some 10mbit nics too [23:57]
rg also pcmcia [23:57]
dub I've got nics, connectors, miles of cable [23:57]
mircea_popescu i've got girls. [23:57]
* dub hoards useless shit [23:57]
mircea_popescu girls beat nics, cable, pcmcia etc. [23:58]
Bugpowder I have 2 Watt Ti-Sapphire lasers [23:58]
Bugpowder pew pew pew [23:58]
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