Forum logs for 02 Nov 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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Namworld Sell them for 0.12 [00:06]
Namworld There's bids [00:06]
mike_c price is dropping every 5 minutes [00:06]
mike_c about to drop to 0.2 [00:06]
mike_c ;; calc 200 / 0.8 [00:07]
gribble 250 [00:07]
mike_c man.. i'm gunna get reamed on this. down to 0.2 [00:07]
mircea_popescu why are you so sure it's going past 250 ? [00:08]
Namworld The buyers at 0.12 are going to get reamed [00:08]
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Namworld I feel the current price is maybe too high. It's nice that value is rising but I'm unsure why it needs to raise so quickly. [00:09]
mike_c it's about volatility, not where the price is [00:09]
mike_c 0.12 does not represent much volatitlity at all. even 0.2 is a great buy [00:09]
Namworld If we doubled in price every 2 months like that, in 1 year we'd be at 12,800 USD per BTC [00:09]
mike_c the rate of change of the underlying is not even a factor in option pricing. [00:10]
mike_c it's implied volatility. [00:10]
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mike_c also, different conversation, 10k usd / btc does not seem impossible to me :) [00:11]
mircea_popescu mike_c by the end of this month you can count on it as impossible. [00:12]
mike_c yes [00:12]
mike_c although your collateral requirements for options seem to account for it.. [00:12]
mike_c 1 btc per option seems stiff [00:12]
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mircea_popescu it's mostly so peopel don't go into tbtf mode. [00:17]
Vp7771 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323077.0;topicseen [00:17]
ozbot [Havelock] The Panama Fund, S.A. Acquires HavelockInvestments.com [00:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.0008302 = 2.7397 BTC [+] [00:17]
Vp7771 no fucking kidding [00:18]
Vp7771 this sounds awesome [00:18]
mike_c ok.. if anybody is lurking and waiting to snipe these, you are running out of time. down to 0.16 [00:18]
Vp7771 sounds like some cool shit going on in Panama [00:19]
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mircea_popescu http://www.supervalores.gob.pa/files/Sociedades/sociedades_inversion_registradas_notificadas.pdf [00:22]
mircea_popescu CNV No. 313‐2008 [00:22]
mircea_popescu http://www.gacetaoficial.gob.pa/pdfTemp/26372/16482.pdf [00:23]
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mircea_popescu there doesn't seem to be much outside of that. [00:25]
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mike_c auction is over in 2 minutes. last chance. http://mpex.co/?mpsic=O.USD.C200T [00:26]
assbot [MPEX] [O] [O.USD.C200T] 40 @ 0.14 = 5.6 BTC [+] [00:28]
mike_c oh snap! [00:28]
mike_c with 30 seconds left [00:28]
mike_c good buy somebody. [00:28]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 200 / .86 [00:29]
gribble 232.558139535 [00:29]
mircea_popescu that looks quite possible. [00:29]
mike_c yes.. lower than i was hoping for. [00:29]
mike_c but the market has spoken. [00:29]
mike_c well, that was fun. good times everyone. [00:30]
mircea_popescu $vwap ^oix [00:31]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [00:31]
mircea_popescu orly [00:31]
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skinnkavaj mircea_popescu have the ugliest security exchange in the world and most disturbing PR person on the planet [00:43]
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mircea_popescu o/ [00:43]
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jurov don't forget ugliest broker interface! [00:47]
mike_c and it hasn't sold to the panamanians. [00:47]
pankkake but the broken has a mermaid [00:48]
pankkake broker* oops [00:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 0.0609 = 0.1827 BTC [-] [00:48]
jurov she's there to distract :D [00:48]
pankkake to lure our coins [00:48]
skinnkavaj Didn't MPOE get hacked recently and burnside humilated MPOE-PR in forums? [00:49]
mircea_popescu in the sense you were right about investments recently, sure. [00:50]
skinnkavaj That was the funniest post on bitcointalk ever [00:50]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Is MPOE-PR your girl friend or someone you hired? [00:50]
mircea_popescu mpoe-pr is teh forum pm. [00:51]
Vp7771 Mirceau what are those docs? [00:52]
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BingoBoingo Jurov, ur welcome. [00:54]
BingoBoingo skinnkavaj: You do know that there are very affordable and very good looking MPEx brokers right? https://coinbr.com/ref?c=a6P4RWfUKU [00:55]
nubbins` as if i'd follow a referral link that says "fuk u" at the end! ;) [00:57]
pankkake good point! here is a fix https://coinbr.com/ref?c=V1CUawCMeE [00:58]
mircea_popescu lol this guy's strings always end up like that [00:58]
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pankkake referral links turn users into spammers [00:58]
jurov omg..... BingoBoingo, u want to change it? but the old one ceases to work then [00:58]
BingoBoingo jurov: I like this one. I mean one of my BTC addresses is 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4 [01:00]
mircea_popescu Vp7771 you know you can just type mirc and hit tab, that way it actually highlights [01:02]
mircea_popescu and the 2nd doc is the registration paperwork of the panama fund thing. the first is a list. [01:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.0609 = 0.1218 BTC [-] [01:02]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5qf9O6c20o [01:06]
ozbot Leon Theremin playing his own instrument - YouTube [01:06]
mike_c mircea_popescu: i want to make one more push for announcing option exercises to assbot. it is the only way to know two things: 1) open interest 2) excercise costs. otherwise it's just a big mystery when/if the option holders are excercising and, not that mpex would ever make a mistake, there is no way for me to verify the excercise costs. [01:07]
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mircea_popescu what has changed since the prev discussion ? [01:08]
mike_c um, last time you just said it "wasn't standard" [01:08]
mike_c i was hoping to sway you. [01:08]
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mircea_popescu so, on one hand option exercises are not commonly announced in any market. [01:09]
mike_c sort of they are though. when excercises are assigned the option holder knows about it [01:09]
mike_c er, option writer [01:09]
benkay you'll know if you get exercised against, mike_c. if you're calling stat regularly enough. [01:09]
mike_c no, you won't. that's my issue. [01:10]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, the btc options market is fragile, and this may be one of those cases where information aggravates problems. [01:10]
benkay yes you will if you are programmatically running bookkeeping [01:10]
mike_c no, all excercises are calculated and assigned at end-of-month [01:10]
mike_c not during the month [01:10]
mircea_popescu benkay when, he can infer at end of month [01:10]
benkay mircea_popescu: is it true that exercises aren't assigned until end of month? [01:11]
mircea_popescu exercises are assigned, but collateral is not returned until end of month. [01:11]
mircea_popescu basically underwriting an option puts you in this firm, fixed term commitment. [01:12]
benkay of course. [01:12]
mike_c i'm trying to figure out what problem the information would aggravate? [01:13]
mike_c we know when they are sold, but knowing when they are excercised would.. [01:13]
mike_c i'm blanking [01:13]
mircea_popescu conceivably it would cause panic, especially if you take the returned capital to immediately go the other way. [01:14]
mike_c ah [01:14]
mircea_popescu let's take a case, as a for instance. you write 1000 calls @200, deposit 1000 btc. [01:14]
mircea_popescu you sell these for .15 [01:14]
mircea_popescu a week later, the price doubles. you get exercised. you obtain say 650 btc back. [01:14]
mircea_popescu if you dump this 650 btc into buying more btc on margin, you are in fact adding to the noise [01:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: the termenvox link: good illustration of virtuoso (vs. bozo) concept. [01:15]
mike_c ok. i would in fact be fine with announcing the excercise, but not returning the capital. [01:15]
mircea_popescu in a heavily mommentum traded by vastly the incompetent and clueless, on very little actgual capital [01:15]
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mircea_popescu this is a recipe for disaster. [01:15]
mircea_popescu announcing the exercise is not substantially different, in that it would send an actionable signal of the same type. [01:16]
mike_c but it would take more capital to act on it. [01:16]
mircea_popescu suppose you have credit taken which gets called on the ground of exercises being announced. [01:16]
mircea_popescu well no, problem branches in a different direction now. [01:16]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah. tho he cheats by having the piano there. [01:16]
mircea_popescu so, in general mike_c i can see some merit for what you're saying, and in the end things are going to move that way. mpex is in no way given for all time as it is. [01:17]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, i consider it premature. [01:17]
mike_c ok. i will come back and try again in a few months [01:18]
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mircea_popescu i think the sort of macro stability you want here may take a little more than a few months. [01:18]
mike_c then you will probably say "no" at that time as well :) [01:18]
mircea_popescu anyway, you don't HAVE to underwrite options, you can pretty much cover all strategies simply buying [01:19]
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nubbins` ^ panama jack! [01:21]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/embed/bXn4_JkVFVo [01:22]
ozbot cat plays theremin - YouTube [01:22]
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pankkake I always wanted a theremin. it's not that expensive either [01:36]
pankkake of course I'd do nothing of it… [01:36]
ThickAsThieves i considered it [01:37]
ThickAsThieves but there are decent plugins [01:37]
pankkake but all the fun is moving your hands in the air! [01:37]
pankkake or your feet [01:38]
mircea_popescu i think it has a major ux flaw. [01:38]
mircea_popescu same problem as the touch screen : [01:39]
mircea_popescu it's really uncomfortable for humans to hold their arms extended in the air. [01:39]
pankkake indeed. and still people belive the "minority report" interface is the future [01:39]
pankkake or kinect :p [01:39]
mircea_popescu it's not. [01:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 730 @ 0.00026399 = 0.1927 BTC [-] [01:40]
ThickAsThieves its brain waves [01:40]
mike_c ultrasonic, like badbios [01:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6448989 = 3.2245 BTC [+] [01:41]
asciilifeform effect has a name. 'gorilla arm' syndrome. [01:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6448989 BTC [+] [01:42]
asciilifeform (what happens to a touch screen user, that is.) [01:42]
mircea_popescu yeah. loss of fine motor control as a result of inervation of the gross motor pathways. [01:42]
mircea_popescu we're really very well designed, which means economically designed. [01:43]
asciilifeform yep. same as air hammer operator's disease [01:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00599938 = 0.5759 BTC [+] {4} [01:43]
asciilifeform telegraphers (late 1890s afaik) called it 'glass arm disease' [01:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00269991 = 0.3672 BTC [-] [01:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.061 = 0.244 BTC [+] [01:45]
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mircea_popescu (incidentally, this is also why ipads are doomed as a serious technology. no right click ? fu.) [01:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0076 = 0.38 BTC [-] [01:47]
pankkake everything apple makes is part of the conspiracy to slowly physically weaken humans [01:48]
jurov office chairs are biggest part [01:49]
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mircea_popescu apple makes aerons ? [01:49]
pankkake I have to write an article about it, but keep procrastinating [01:49]
dexX7 ;;rate thickasthieves 3 Pleasant experience, smooth escrow service and TATI rocks! [01:49]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user thickasthieves has been recorded. [01:49]
asciilifeform (incidentally, here's what we might have if anybody were still serious about man-machine interfaces: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861) [01:49]
ThickAsThieves aww shucks [01:49]
ThickAsThieves even after my bitching [01:49]
jurov ;;rated Namworld [01:49]
gribble You have not yet rated user Namworld [01:49]
jurov ;;rate Namworld 2 smooth cooperation for passthroughs unwinding [01:50]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user Namworld has been recorded. [01:50]
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asciilifeform having to actually /move/ your hand is... atrocious. [01:50]
pankkake I know. I got RSI, and it never really leaves :( [01:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform doesn't believe in foreplay. [01:51]
mircea_popescu he doesn't rub the nubbin, he just plugs the hole. [01:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: foreplay here would be the learning. then a lifetime of, well, full throttle. [01:51]
mircea_popescu computers want to have fun too [01:52]
jurov i always seek to have big desk with monitor as far as possible... means whole hands resting and no RSI, foreplay or not [01:52]
jurov actually this one is inherited from my grandpa [01:53]
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asciilifeform when i was young i thought programmers would eventually end up being spottable on the street by their titanic hands [01:54]
asciilifeform sort of like dock workers' biceps in the old days [01:54]
asciilifeform btw anybody suffering from 'emacs pinkie' should seriously consider: pedals. [01:55]
asciilifeform i've got a nice set here [01:55]
asciilifeform great painless way to set those 'meta' bits when you gotta. [01:55]
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asciilifeform also convenient for toggling through screens, etc. [01:56]
pankkake oh, i was wondering about it actually [01:56]
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pankkake perhaps as a Shift key [01:57]
asciilifeform if you're in the cockpit 12-14 hr/day, give serious thought to your widgets. [01:57]
asciilifeform you don't get a second set of limbs [01:57]
pankkake well I usually spend more on monitors, keyboards, than on the actual computer :) [01:57]
pankkake desk ergonomics are my first question to employers, before pay [01:58]
asciilifeform decent keyboard hasn't been made since ~'89 afaik. [01:58]
pankkake I don't like the buckling springs [01:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 51 @ 0.05506273 = 2.8082 BTC [-] {4} [02:00]
pankkake my keyboard is http://i.imgur.com/IUxeH.jpg kbc poker [02:00]
asciilifeform 'happy hacking' ? [02:00]
asciilifeform didn't know they made those in rubber [02:01]
pankkake chinese clone with cherry mx [02:01]
pankkake much cheaper [02:01]
asciilifeform never miss the arrows? [02:01]
pankkake but I want happy hacking ones [02:01]
pankkake no, but I'm a vim user [02:01]
pankkake I have hjkl on vim and firefox at least [02:01]
asciilifeform me, i can't fathom why anyone would voluntarily forgo programmable 'F's [02:01]
mircea_popescu if you're in the cockpit 12-14 hr/day << jesus we're basically space piliots here [02:01]
pankkake well, they're often named "battlestations" [02:02]
jurov cock pits [02:02]
asciilifeform them bits won't flip themselves. [02:02]
pankkake and my mouse http://www.addedbytes.com/images/vertical-mouse.jpg [02:02]
asciilifeform found a 'chess pawn' mouse in a skip at wurk once. [02:02]
dexX7 lol wtf [02:03]
asciilifeform (picture that same, but phallic / unmovable joystick shape.) [02:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 14 @ 0.055 = 0.77 BTC [-] [02:03]
pankkake I tried a model m but I kept feeling like it would make up my neighbors [02:03]
pankkake wake* [02:03]
asciilifeform http://www.dossierd.nl/img/ap_vertical-mouse.jpg [02:04]
asciilifeform that'd be it [02:04]
mircea_popescu "Since the start, HashFast has been unequivocally committed to the idea that we will produce the highest quality product." [02:04]
mircea_popescu lettuce produce the produce! [02:04]
ThickAsThieves highest hash content [02:04]
mircea_popescu "We focus on this each and everyday [...] by finding a balance between expediency and quality." [02:05]
mircea_popescu what the ever loving fuck. how long ago did they stop teaching logic ? [02:05]
ThickAsThieves price is the balance [02:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8774 @ 0.00082666 = 7.2531 BTC [-] {3} [02:06]
mircea_popescu at least have the decency to ennumerate quality first if that's your "unequivocal comittment" [02:07]
asciilifeform when i read these pitches, i can't help but recall: "...Filtration System A Marvel to Behold! It Removes Eighty Percent of Human Solid Waste!" [02:07]
ThickAsThieves cut the body form the head? [02:07]
ThickAsThieves from* [02:07]
asciilifeform http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070925133821AA5DtrM [02:08]
ozbot The lyrics of Kazakhistan national anthem of BORAT? - Yahoo Answers [02:08]
mircea_popescu it would be cool if borat and ali g each started their own asic miner company [02:09]
mircea_popescu and then i could make a bitbet about it [02:09]
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KRS1 I kinda thought borat = ali g. [02:11]
mircea_popescu well it's baron cohen [02:11]
mircea_popescu playing both [02:11]
KRS1 OK thats what I thought. Ali G is awesome [02:11]
dexX7 http://avalon-asics.com/product/a3255-55nm-chip-500-count-reel/ and then https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=305968.0 x_x [02:14]
ozbot Avalon ASIC | A3255 – 55nm Chip – 500 count Reel [02:14]
mircea_popescu "I hope that the person who won the auction make available for the community part of the chips from reel at a reasonable price. [02:16]
mircea_popescu I'd love to redeem, if the price is attractive." [02:16]
mircea_popescu by now "the community" = the group of people who;'d want freebies at other's expense. [02:16]
mircea_popescu i blame the usg and fdr for this particularly niggardly redefinition of community. [02:17]
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ThickAsThieves Neo & Bee Official Updates Nov. 1, 2013 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3460464#msg3460464 [02:17]
asciilifeform 'community' typically conceived as meaning 'jokers like me'. [02:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6448989 BTC [+] [02:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 230 @ 0.00269998 = 0.621 BTC [+] [02:19]
KRS1 did somebody say free [02:21]
nubbins` you don't see the word "niggardly" used often in conversation [02:23]
mircea_popescu you don't see any of the ~20k english words outside of the "retard 200" used often in covernsation. [02:23]
nubbins` now there's an idea for a poster [02:24]
asciilifeform nubbins`: this actually exists. 'basic english' if i recall. [02:24]
nubbins` yeah, there's a wikipedia written in simple english [02:25]
asciilifeform somebody crapped out a 'standard' for it [02:25]
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nubbins` http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [02:25]
nubbins` 1000 most common words [02:25]
nubbins` relevant xkcd, one sec [02:25]
nubbins` http://xkcd.com/1133/ [02:26]
ozbot xkcd: Up Goer Five [02:26]
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asciilifeform anybody remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncleftish_Beholding ? [02:26]
mircea_popescu aye. [02:26]
nubbins` (eplained using only the ten hundred words people use the most often) [02:26]
mircea_popescu also "simple" means "retarded" among other things. [02:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 31 @ 0.054 = 1.674 BTC [-] [02:27]
asciilifeform https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.language.artificial/ZL4e3fD7eW0/_7p8bKwLJWkJ [02:28]
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asciilifeform "Thus, water is a binding of two waterstuff unclefts [02:29]
asciilifeform with one sourstuff uncleft, while a bulkbit of one of the [02:29]
asciilifeform forestuffs making up flesh may have a thousand thousand or more [02:29]
asciilifeform unclefts of these two firststuffs together with coalstuff and [02:29]
asciilifeform chokestuff." [02:29]
nubbins` ha [02:29]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema uncleftish [02:30]
gribble No matches found. [02:30]
mircea_popescu o get out. [02:30]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/experimente-lingvistice/ [02:30]
ozbot Experimente lingvistice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:30]
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asciilifeform "This end should point toward the ground if you want to go to space. If it starts pointing toward space you are having a bad problem and you will not go to space today." [02:34]
asciilifeform there's a bit of a general-purpose lesson here... [02:35]
mircea_popescu where's that from ? [02:36]
asciilifeform http://xkcd.com/1133/ [02:37]
ozbot xkcd: Up Goer Five [02:37]
asciilifeform (from nubbins, above) [02:37]
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mircea_popescu oh i c hehe [02:41]
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skinnkavaj pankkake: Put a bet up, first to go up 5x in value from today. Bitcoin or Litecoin? [03:28]
pankkake submit something to http://bitbet.us/ and I'll bet [03:29]
pankkake in value compared to what? [03:30]
skinnkavaj pankkake: What do you think, nipples? [03:31]
pankkake ripples? :) [03:31]
skinnkavaj Dicks? [03:31]
mircea_popescu "bitcoin will reach 1000 usd before litecoin will reach 50 cents again" ? [03:31]
skinnkavaj No the poll should be [03:31]
skinnkavaj What will go in ten times in fiat value from today, bitcoin or litecoin? [03:32]
skinnkavaj +up [03:32]
pankkake another issue is that you don't need a lot of volume to make those things move (perhaps restrict to a minimum volume) [03:32]
skinnkavaj Fastest. [03:32]
pankkake I guess you could use btc-e as a source, it has both exchangeable to fiat [03:32]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Lol, yeah go ahead try to start pump LTC on btc-e [03:32]
skinnkavaj Try it [03:32]
pankkake http://bitbet.us/bet/524/litecoin-to-rise-above-04-btc-before-2014/?ref=1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK by the way [03:32]
ozbot BitBet - Litecoin to rise above .04 BTC before 2014 [03:33]
skinnkavaj pankkake: That's not the bet I am after [03:33]
pankkake well it did see wild swings these last few days [03:33]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Wild swings, yeah 0.1-0.3 USD [03:33]
mircea_popescu what's ltc atm, about .01 btc ? [03:33]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Yes [03:34]
mircea_popescu so then there you have it. that bet only asks for ltc to go up 4x raher than 5x [03:34]
mircea_popescu and for that matter odds against it are like 10:1 [03:34]
mircea_popescu go get rich. [03:34]
pankkake it moved a few times between .008 BTC and 0.012 BTC if I'm not mistaken [03:34]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Wrong bet [03:34]
skinnkavaj I am asking from todays date [03:34]
mircea_popescu makes exactly 0 difference. [03:35]
skinnkavaj What is going to go up 10x in value first, bitcoin or litecoin? [03:35]
skinnkavaj Fiat value [03:35]
skinnkavaj Yes it does. [03:35]
skinnkavaj I think bitcoin will rise 400% [03:35]
skinnkavaj Litecoin 1000% [03:35]
skinnkavaj Based on todays USD rates. [03:35]
mircea_popescu so basically ltc = 0.025 btc. [03:36]
mircea_popescu i dunno anyone cares enough to bet on that one. seems like random noise. [03:36]
KRS1 yes [03:36]
KRS1 random [03:36]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: No, if LTC go up 10x in value today it will be 0.1 LTC/BTC, not 0.25 LTC/BTC. [03:37]
pankkake if bitcoin value stays right where it is [03:37]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Yes, but as stated. I want the bet to be in USD value. [03:37]
mircea_popescu skinnkavaj dude stop drowning yourself in words. if you think ltc will go up as high as 0.04 btc, you can take the 10:1 odds against on that bet and make out like a pirate. [03:38]
mircea_popescu if you don't, you don't, we all agree, nobody cares. move on. [03:38]
KRS1 everyone has an opinion..mine is that the hype will die off and it will slowly die to under a buck and stay there for years [03:38]
skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: Lol, pussy. [03:38]
skinnkavaj Guess you are too afraid to put up that bet. [03:38]
pankkake lol [03:38]
mircea_popescu KRS1 ltc around 1 usd ain't hurting anything. on the contrary, puts the greenback in its proper perspective. [03:38]
kakobrekla O_O [03:38]
mircea_popescu that's what the dollar is, a sort of ltc. [03:38]
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KRS1 right [03:39]
KRS1 but i was referring to all virt currency [03:39]
mircea_popescu yet another anon altcoin. this one made by the us. [03:39]
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skinnkavaj Listen to mircea_popescu he has the ugliest interface joke security exchange that recently got hacked even though "Failing last since 2011" [03:42]
pankkake btctctc never got hacked? [03:42]
skinnkavaj No [03:42]
mircea_popescu eh go bark up niederaurer's tree. [03:43]
mircea_popescu how do i end up with all the deluded ninnies. [03:43]
kakobrekla skinnkavaj cause graphic matter when one is moving money. [03:43]
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skinnkavaj mircea_popescu: You partnered up with one deluded girlfriend [03:44]
skinnkavaj kakobrekla: cause security does not matter when "Failing last since 2011" [03:44]
kakobrekla skinnkavaj you are making yourself look silly. [03:44]
skinnkavaj kakobrekla: Defending your partner in crime [03:45]
skinnkavaj Stop it [03:46]
kakobrekla only cause he pays so good. [03:46]
KRS1 who cares about niceties it works really well and thats all that matters [03:46]
skinnkavaj KRS1: Living in stone age [03:47]
skinnkavaj With both stone age security and design [03:47]
skinnkavaj Hiring retarded MPOE-PR staff [03:47]
kakobrekla someone is jelly. [03:47]
skinnkavaj Someone got in to bed with the wrong person about security [03:48]
skinnkavaj and now defending him here [03:48]
skinnkavaj LOL [03:48]
kakobrekla do you use pgp? [03:48]
pankkake a good thing to do is to try to understand why are things that way [03:48]
pankkake or as mpoe-pr says "lurk moar" [03:48]
skinnkavaj kakobrekla: Yes, why do you ask [03:49]
kakobrekla just trying to understand at which point your logic fails [03:49]
skinnkavaj pankkake: mpex is not even secure, you should place "Hacked since 2013" [03:50]
dexX7 betting on btc volume is stupid when there are more than one chinese btc exchange with zero fees atm [03:50]
dexX7 highscore was something like 100k for one day [03:51]
skinnkavaj If it wasn't for hiring MPOE-PR as staff I wouldn't bash on mircea_popescu for having bad security [03:51]
dexX7 (on one specific exchange) [03:51]
skinnkavaj dexX7: Who sad anything about volume? [03:51]
dexX7 oh sorry, you're right. i read value = volume in the first sentence [03:52]
pankkake fuck, I now own 0.005 [03:52]
pankkake LTC [03:52]
skinnkavaj Welcome [03:52]
skinnkavaj The grass is greener here [03:52]
pankkake and worse, it's on ripple! [03:52]
kakobrekla lol [03:52]
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skinnkavaj Piratebay and Wikipedia accept LTC and LTC is going to die out soon!? LOL [03:53]
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skinnkavaj Wikileaks* [03:54]
skinnkavaj Wikipedia is too retarded [03:54]
skinnkavaj To accept crypto currencies [03:54]
pankkake I think i'll donate in fiat anyway, because it can get me a tax break [03:55]
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kakobrekla the thing is, exchangeing from one cc to another cc is way easier than for merchant or service provider to accept all 463 of them [03:55]
pankkake skinnkavaj: http://i.imgur.com/MJrJF6Q.png [03:58]
pankkake I would have exchanged to btc but the order book was almost empty [03:58]
kakobrekla you use that shit? [03:58]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Why are you using premined scam? [03:58]
pircea_momescu skinnkavaj it's a scam ! [03:58]
pankkake not really, I use it to get free bitcoins [03:58]
pankkake kakobrekla: I wrote a script to farm a giveaway [03:59]
kakobrekla classy. [03:59]
skinnkavaj pircea_momescu: What is a scam? [03:59]
pircea_momescu skinnkavaj it's a scam ! [03:59]
pankkake I've sold most of past giveaways for btc [03:59]
kakobrekla seriously nothing better to do with your time? [04:00]
pankkake not really :/ [04:00]
pankkake I have excuses [04:00]
skinnkavaj Ripple is a scam yes [04:00]
kakobrekla :) [04:00]
pankkake is Ripple a scam? [04:01]
pircea_momescu pankkake ripple is a scam ! [04:01]
skinnkavaj Ripple is premined [04:01]
KRS1 premined to all hell as i have read it [04:02]
skinnkavaj And centralized. [04:02]
KRS1 that too [04:02]
pankkake but the real question, is litecoin a scam [04:02]
pircea_momescu pankkake litecoin is a scam ! [04:02]
skinnkavaj I am not even suprised people like pankkake think ripple is good [04:02]
skinnkavaj I don't expect more from you [04:02]
asciilifeform http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/29/us/silicon-valley-roused-by-secession-call.html?_r=0 [04:02]
pankkake skinnkavaj: lurk moar. I've spent plenty of time on ripple threads [04:03]
pankkake most people defending ripple don't understand it and just want to sell their overpriced XRP [04:04]
skinnkavaj pankkake: What a waste of time. You only have to spend 30 minutes of reading to understand that it is both centralised and premined. And if you still think it's good, I will not even bother to argue with you. Then I really have to declare you retarded. [04:04]
kakobrekla skinnkavaj: lurk moar. < listen to this [04:04]
pankkake asciilifeform: interesting [04:05]
kakobrekla a 350th rehash of the matter [04:05]
kakobrekla re nytimes [04:05]
mike_c asciilifeform you just made me dumber. thanks. [04:06]
skinnkavaj Is pircea_momescu some troll hired by mircea_popescu? [04:06]
pankkake I'd be surprised if those hipsters ever seceeded though [04:06]
mike_c "The Quantified Self movement helps people self-measure and opt out of the health care system" [04:06]
pankkake skinnkavaj: it's a bot I wrote, aimed at replacing mircea_popescu entirely. so far it only has a few triggers [04:06]
kakobrekla lol [04:07]
mike_c hm, so when i quantify that I have an infection I can.. get my prescription how? [04:07]
skinnkavaj pankkake: Yeah he and MPOE-PR can be replaced by a bot [04:07]
kakobrekla skinnkavaj your troll skills suck. [04:07]
skinnkavaj I am a qualified Anti Troll Combat Specalist [04:07]
kakobrekla you mean Anti Combat Troll Specialist? [04:08]
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asciilifeform mike_c: that piece is definitely 'cringe material'. [04:08]
mike_c so bad [04:08]
kakobrekla like that mps nuke that instead of hurting, it heals people. [04:09]
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BingoBoingo ;; [04:13]
BingoBoingo skinnkavaj: I still think I was right to dump LTC at 0.0015 [04:16]
pankkake well obviously as you can buy more with the same amount of btc now [04:17]
BingoBoingo LTC might have hope if the wrong kind of people weren't shilling it [04:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: LTC hums along until somebody remembers that you can plug RAM into an ASIC. [04:17]
pankkake in other news, yet another scrypt alcoin was 51% attacked [04:18]
mircea_popescu dude all the highlights [04:18]
mircea_popescu what happened hiar [04:18]
asciilifeform i tell you, programmable werkfunctions are the altcoinfuture. [04:18]
asciilifeform ('tis that or slavecoin.) [04:19]
pankkake how do you prevent an attack by computers you can rent by the hour? [04:19]
pankkake (or the minute, for primecoin) [04:19]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course. Most Altcoins die on social rather than technological grounds anyway. [04:19]
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asciilifeform pankkake: how do you prevent an attack by incoming MIRV ICBM? [04:20]
BingoBoingo Cablepair and Finshaggy killed Devcoin. [04:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "roused". i lolled. [04:20]
kakobrekla Devcoin? Devcoin killed devcoin. [04:20]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It seems you avoid MIRV ICBM packages by living somewhere boring, but not too much so. A lot of missiles are still in Kansas and Montana. [04:21]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: It was flawed from the start. Its death was accelerated though. [04:21]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: that would make K and M 'interesting', wouldn't it. [04:21]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not particularly when Missouri and Wisconsin have more fusible material to seize. [04:22]
mircea_popescu "In practice, this vision calls for building actual communities that would be beyond the reach of the state that Silicon Valley’s libertarians despise." [04:22]
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pankkake you made my bot crash [04:23]
asciilifeform point is, some things you don't prevent, you just live with them - and try to set up a world where they aren't especially tempting. [04:23]
pankkake invalid unicode [04:23]
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kakobrekla pankkake is what he does. [04:23]
mircea_popescu incidentally, https://www.google.com/search?q=pircea+mopescu&complete=0 [04:23]
mircea_popescu romanian haterz have a history of calling me that. [04:23]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-11-2013#366076 <<< assbot suffered too. [04:24]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [04:24]
mircea_popescu but unlike your bot, assbot is failing last since 2012. [04:24]
kakobrekla :D [04:24]
asciilifeform http://beautifuldecay.com/2013/06/07/the-obsessively-detailed-linocut-portraits-of-mircea-popescu/ [04:24]
ozbot The Obsessively Detailed Linocut Portraits Of Mircea Popescu - Beautiful/Decay Artist & Design [04:24]
asciilifeform MP, that you? [04:24]
mircea_popescu nah. [04:25]
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mircea_popescu Not everyone in technology wants to flee, though. Catherine Bracy, director of community organizing at Code for America, criticized this genre of thinking as reflecting a simple lack of exposure by many Valley engineers: “Most of them aren’t confronted with or don’t have an understanding of most problems regular people are facing. If they had to collect food stamps or ride the bus or send their kid to public scho [04:32]
mircea_popescu ol, they might be more empathetic to the role that government plays in people’s lives and more interested in fixing those problems than opting out.” [04:32]
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mircea_popescu herp. the leeches are displeased with this talk of being cut off! [04:33]
asciilifeform 'Big fleas have little fleas, / Upon their backs to bite 'em, / And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so, ad infinitum...' [04:34]
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mircea_popescu it's funny tho. "what do you mean we're not sucking these p[eople's cocks enough, and the solution is for all the "people" to spend a lot more time on their hands and knees worshipping them ?!?!?!" [04:35]
mircea_popescu "no, they SHOULD spend their time fixing our problems. cause we have problems. derp!" [04:35]
mircea_popescu "because empathy!!!1" [04:36]
Ademan wat [04:36]
asciilifeform 'And the great fleas, themselves, in turn / Have greater fleas to go on; / While these again have greater still, / And greater still, and so on...' [04:36]
mircea_popescu i temporarily forget what the equivalent of empathy was. "for the greater glory of the soviets" or something [04:37]
asciilifeform http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ICS21RWrg [04:37]
ozbot Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em. - YouTube [04:37]
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Ademan Helping people is fine, taking other people's shit to do it on the other hand... [04:39]
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mircea_popescu Ademan helping other people is only fine if you feel like it. [04:44]
mircea_popescu if they feel like it it's quite the epitome of unfine. [04:44]
mircea_popescu “ ’ .” [04:44]
mircea_popescu pankkake there, you fixed it. [04:45]
pankkake yeah. at least I learned a bit more about that lib [04:45]
pankkake (and why other people complained about it :p) [04:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 18663 @ 0.0002 = 3.7326 BTC [+] [04:50]
skinnkavaj So excited [04:51]
skinnkavaj mcxNOW 0.4 btc fee shares never gonna sell out [04:51]
skinnkavaj and so obvious LTC is going for 0.1 LTC/BTC [04:53]
mircea_popescu $vwap s.mg [04:54]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.0002 high: 0.0002 low: 0.0002 volume: 18663 btc: 3.7326 7 day: average: 0.0002 high: 0.0002 low: 0.0002 volume: 20000 btc: 4.0 30 day: average: 0.0001905 high: 0.0002 low: 0.00018 volume: 38100 btc: 7.25801 [04:54]
mircea_popescu i guess people found greyhawk [04:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00269998 = 0.945 BTC [+] [05:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 12800 @ 0.0001795 = 2.2976 BTC [-] [05:05]
bloctoc doubtful given the painful install. probably just needs the money to buy ripples. [05:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226 @ 0.00082613 = 0.1867 BTC [-] [05:12]
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mircea_popescu bloctoc you mean eulora ? [05:21]
bloctoc yes - isn't greyhawk the old dude from eulora that sounds like uncle jessie? [05:22]
mircea_popescu something like that yeah. [05:23]
mircea_popescu so why's it painful ? [05:23]
bloctoc can't find install instructions in the readme for one. after finding launch.sh from a post months ago, it crashes on some missing dependency but I didn't see a list of deps in the readme I'm not asking for help, just answering the question. I'm sure greyhawk will be there once I get the thing running. [05:25]
mircea_popescu well i'm sort of in the business of making it less painful. [05:26]
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bloctoc … and that's why I answered. [05:26]
mircea_popescu so did you download the v3 ? [05:26]
bloctoc yes, this morning. I'm not on a linux machine at the moment. I'll try again in the morning, just not into troubleshooting just right now. I'll let you know how it goes with greyhawk. [05:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00269998 = 0.1296 BTC [+] [05:28]
Namworld [22:51] mcxNOW 0.4 btc fee shares never gonna sell out [05:29]
Namworld [22:53] and so obvious LTC is going for 0.1 LTC/BTC [05:29]
mircea_popescu right, cause that should include a .sh in there. but anyway, when you get to it. [05:29]
Namworld This not be #litecoin-pricetalk [05:29]
Namworld 0.1 is high as fuck... [05:30]
Vexual Haliaeetus leucogaster [05:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-] [05:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.36489994 = 3.649 BTC [+] [05:47]
mike_c eulora is 800mb already? whoa. [05:49]
Vexual monkeys exist time/monkeys have computers time <<< earth exists time/earth has monkeys time [05:49]
mircea_popescu mike_c most of it is cruft tbh [05:51]
mircea_popescu we've not done a serious scrubbing yet. [05:51]
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Vexual replace the word computer with bitcoin and calculate the lowest blockheight for which the statement is true [05:53]
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mike_c do you ever plan to work out of github? or just occasionally update the code you have on there. [05:54]
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Vexual genesis, 1, 2 or 3 [05:58]
Ademan pankkake: I saw you commented on bASIC-MINING, do you know what's going on there? [05:59]
mike_c hehe. chrome hates eulora [06:01]
mike_c http://imgur.com/fpgQozy [06:01]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [06:01]
mike_c it could be dangerous! [06:01]
Vexual the best thing about monkey magic, even with his irrepressable nature, is that he still respecteded the spoilt rich kid who sat in the shade smoking hash [06:03]
Vexual i mean buddha not jesus or mohammad, i dont think monkey had heard of those guys when the story was written [06:05]
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Vexual monkey magic was straight pimpin [06:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9153 @ 0.00082331 = 7.5358 BTC [-] [06:16]
Ademan I'm surprised, I might have actually gotten asicminer at the bottom [06:17]
Ademan unless it has more to fall hehe [06:17]
Vexual i think it started lower [06:17]
Vexual did you buy at the price burside listed for? [06:19]
Vexual hotoiledpussy should start thinging about making smartphones [06:22]
Ademan Hrm? I just bought ~0.6BTC/share [06:23]
Vexual nerdalicious ggoglefucking linuxfones [06:24]
Vexual with 802.11s and other genius stuff built in [06:25]
Vexual if you want to spend a months fucking around with usb sticks, makes some with writable cids, you'll sell more [06:26]
mircea_popescu mike_c prolly the latter. [06:29]
Vexual no standards adhered-to just like mp and al [06:29]
mircea_popescu github is a standard now ? [06:30]
mircea_popescu Ademan originally it was 0.1 if memory serves. [06:30]
asciilifeform yah, a standard, like EBCDIC. [06:31]
Vexual random numbers from the camera [06:31]
mircea_popescu coder ppl can use whatever social media platforms they feel like. [06:34]
Ademan mircea_popescu: ah, dang, wish I was around for IPO then... but still, this is the lowest it's been in some time [06:34]
mircea_popescu true. on the oither hand diff is also highest it was in some time, and their network share is lowest in history iirc. [06:36]
Vexual shows some intelligence sitting on the funds [06:37]
Vexual has hotoiledpussy spent much yet? [06:38]
Ademan mircea_popescu: yeah, I bought with the expectation that I could very easily be out the money [06:39]
Vexual ademan, if it hits 5, sell the lot [06:39]
Ademan We'll see what the future has in store, I kind of doubt it'll get that high again [06:40]
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Vexual theres half a chance hell mint the best sha chip [06:41]
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Vexual or diversify in a profitable direction?!?!! [06:42]
Ademan Well my gamble is that fried has some exciting new hardware in the works, but we'll see [06:43]
Vexual that mining bug is a motherfucker [06:43]
Vexual he could easily spend the lot chasing the past [06:44]
mircea_popescu you never know. [06:45]
Vexual would nsa ever sell out to an american defense contract? [06:46]
Vexual or some other govt? [06:47]
Vexual we know you like money? [06:47]
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Vexual mircea_popescu? [06:49]
Vexual its ok i already know the answer [06:52]
Vexual you would take 1 million to put a socketed backdoor chip on your stick [06:53]
Vexual then the user can pop it off and keep going [06:53]
Vexual with a howto on trilema as soon as the check clears [06:54]
mircea_popescu well, nsa can in principle be bought out, like any bitcoin company. [06:54]
mircea_popescu proceeds would be distributed to shareholders. [06:54]
mircea_popescu that aside, it's not exactly part of the business model or good for business to serve the interests of third parties. nsa works for its customers. [06:55]
Vexual yes, that is a truer thruth [06:55]
Vexual the nsa would gain little from buying nsa [06:55]
Vexual i wonder if they would prefer dividends or stop sales? [06:56]
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Vexual dividends would afford more astroglide for friday drinks [06:58]
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Vexual its only torture if its happening to someone else [07:00]
Vexual how dare mr snowden steal their data [07:01]
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Ademan astroglide for friday drinks? what the hell do you drink?! heh [07:05]
Vexual i watch saturday night live [07:07]
Vexual last week had an interesting piece on how obama is disallowed from being a free thinking individual [07:07]
Vexual http://www.vulture.com/2013/10/taran-killam-on-12-years-a-slave-sketch.html [07:10]
Vexual ironic in contrast with clinton repealing cryptography laws and smoking cigars like a pimp [07:12]
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Vexual id bitbet theyll joke about the tsa agent getting shot at lax, those writers dont give a fuck [07:14]
Vexual this saturday [07:15]
Vexual if only bitbet was a bit more bubblegum :) [07:17]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbE36IBTZY [07:19]
ozbot monkey magic intro - YouTube [07:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4747 @ 0.00082331 = 3.9083 BTC [-] [07:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00252504 = 1.2625 BTC [-] {3} [08:23]
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benkay i would very much like a cardano into which i can put my own keys. and also to sleep with all of your sisters. [08:48]
benkay mostly just the good-looking ones. [08:48]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Xl0Qry-hA [08:49]
ozbot Nancy Sinatra Bang Bang - YouTube [08:49]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOUxZDwKK4A [08:53]
ozbot Tank Girl-That's not in the plan. - YouTube [08:53]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAOR6ib95kQ [08:54]
ozbot Gorillaz - DARE - YouTube [08:54]
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Vexual yo pimp, how was the ratraces smidge? [08:58]
Vexual now that you've slept on it [08:58]
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Vexual must need coffee and a fried jam bun [09:00]
Vexual but the fat spliff comes first in deutsche [09:02]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qttGJ3il62Y [09:04]
ozbot Seeed - Augenbling (official Video) - YouTube [09:04]
Vexual wake up smidge [09:04]
Vexual even india does 24/7 [09:09]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLiFb_xwB1E [09:12]
ozbot Jungle Brothers "Because I Got It Like That" (album version) 1989 - YouTube [09:12]
Vexual p2p [09:16]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6wBxQVBozI [09:17]
ozbot Willie Nelson and Shania Twain, Blue eyes crying in the rain - YouTube [09:17]
Vexual i hope kakos asleep or a counrty fan [09:18]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKGLPPjWrs [09:20]
ozbot Willie Nelson - Maria (Shut Up And Kiss Me) - YouTube [09:20]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMPmGbjW8mk [09:28]
ozbot Evie Part 1 - YouTube [09:28]
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Vexual extremely cautious on fiat exposed assets [09:31]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJwZhqU0QL4 [09:33]
ozbot AC/DC - It's a Long Way to the Top (If You Wanna Rock 'n' Roll) - YouTube [09:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0066 = 0.264 BTC [-] [09:56]
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zacm there was a shooting at a california airport? what a sick loser coward. [10:22]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdSUkABrNoM [10:52]
ozbot Snoop Dogg - 10 L.A.X. - Blue Carpet Treatment - YouTube [10:52]
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Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veOWPyHYRMU [10:57]
ozbot Tha Dogg Pound & Snoop Dogg - "L.A. Here's 2 U" (Music Video) - YouTube [10:57]
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ASIVI_ Guys, currently the main issue I'm having with BTC company stocks is that the stock market is unregulated, therefore very risky. How do you ensure you won't be just ripped off? How do you deal with this? [12:27]
jurov ASIVI_: you can get ripped with any stocks, not just btc ones [12:28]
jurov mircea_popescu: pm [12:28]
mircea_popescu ASIVI_ you lurk moar. [12:39]
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jurov ;;gpg ident jurov [12:45]
gribble Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is identified as user jurov, with GPG key id 677ABD62D0AEE7D7, key fingerprint BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7, and bitcoin address None [12:45]
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jurov so, assholes at inputs.io felt compelled to invent their own bitcoin signature format... [13:20]
jurov oh, and helpful option "Format message" checked by default... [13:24]
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kakobrekla lol jurov [14:05]
pankkake well they have to find a way to prevent you from signing bitcoin transactions [14:10]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [21:32]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading [21:32]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Sun Sep 29 03:06:59 2013 [21:32]
KRS1 heh [21:34]
benkay deadweasel: http://rapgenius.com/Jay-z-somewhereinamerica-lyrics#note-1942412 [21:35]
KRS1 jay-z..heh..i've seen local rap artists better than him. [21:36]
KRS1 he has had a few really good hits other than that...meh. [21:36]
KRS1 but that is just my opinion [21:36]
benkay "artists" [21:37]
benkay still just moving product. [21:37]
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benkay i've yet to meet the artist who's a better capitalist than the jiggaman. [21:37]
mircea_popescu i thought rapper guys did it for the principle of the thing. [21:38]
benkay the artists always do [21:39]
benkay the capitalists never do [21:39]
mircea_popescu what about dali ? [21:39]
benkay what does that have to do with rap? [21:40]
mircea_popescu but you said artists/capitalists! was is strictly a rap phenomena ? [21:40]
benkay hey man i'm an american idiot [21:41]
benkay you can't expect me to have opinions about real art like dali [21:41]
deadweasel LSD is Dali. [21:42]
mircea_popescu lol. ok, the point here is that while it'd be hard to argue dali wasn't an artist, it's well established he was a capitalist whore [21:42]
mircea_popescu to a degree even people like andy warhol seem little babies. [21:42]
benkay my point is that rap isn't art. it's a product manufactured for americans. [21:43]
mircea_popescu so then no rappers are artists. [21:43]
mircea_popescu i can see it. [21:43]
mod6 benkay: umm... [21:43]
benkay some may think they are, in the same way that some americans think they're ceo's when funded by idiots [21:43]
mircea_popescu but listen, is painting an art ? [21:43]
deadweasel they would probably describe themselves as businessmen. [21:43]
deadweasel slingin' and what not [21:43]
mircea_popescu or is it a product manufactured for dutch people cca 1700 ? or italians cca 1600 ? [21:44]
jurov https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6660162 asciilifeform you may want to promote phuctor (i would, but no account) [21:44]
deadweasel oh good, hacker news is back up. [21:44]
pankkake painting wasn't always art, it was mostly used because we didn't have cameras yet [21:44]
mircea_popescu so vacation pictures are art, but rap ain't ? [21:45]
deadweasel vacation pictures are torture. [21:45]
benkay can't have a reasonable conversation in black and white, mp. [21:45]
benkay everything exists on a spectrum. [21:45]
benkay mainstream american rap is product. there are rap artists. there are rap producers. there are humans in between. [21:45]
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benkay some mainstream rap may even be art to some people [21:46]
benkay i find some of j's wordplay rather elegant, myself [21:46]
mircea_popescu benkay okay, but something has to be something or not be something at some point. otherwise we can't have a conversation at all, outside of ∀ = ∀ [21:46]
benkay how about an analogue [21:47]
mircea_popescu not without an explicit mapping function of some sort. [21:47]
benkay is this art or design? [21:47]
benkay http://hannahstafford.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/alessibystarck.jpg [21:47]
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mircea_popescu that's a dildo. [21:47]
benkay what is art? what design? what is product? what is art? [21:47]
mircea_popescu well, i guess i am writing an article now. [21:48]
mircea_popescu isn't life wondercool. [21:48]
benkay better you than me. i stopped writing about this highly subjective stuff back when i decided to stop convincing people of things. [21:48]
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benkay (it's an orange juicer, for those not in the know) [21:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.38 = 0.76 BTC [+] [21:50]
mircea_popescu only if by orange you mean peach. [21:50]
benkay put a big enough engine on a brick and *presto* i guess you have an orbital insertion vehicle too [21:51]
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nubbins` lel @ art discussion [22:19]
nubbins` "real art" [22:20]
nubbins` "fake art" [22:20]
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nubbins` http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2YLZc_gDMM [22:21]
ozbot An Abstract Look at Art with Jonathan Meese - YouTube [22:21]
nubbins` ^ this guy is almost completely, perfectly fucked in the head, but i had a moment of epiphany while watching this interview [22:22]
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KRS1 can someone answer this question- why is the FTC and BTC pair on BTC-E so heavily traded? Big volume has been exchanging there for quite some time. [22:26]
KRS1 both buying and selling [22:27]
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nubbins` sorry, no idea [22:27]
nubbins` go watch that video [22:27]
KRS1 ok [22:28]
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_mjoiii If you watch him on mute it looks like a guy describing pooping in a bucket [22:29]
_mjoiii And if you read the subs he admits it [22:30]
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nubbins` he's very earnest [22:31]
nubbins` this "art talks" series is great [22:32]
nubbins` this one here got me into silkscreening paper: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GWdRIYLUQk [22:32]
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_mjoiii Pretty sure I just had a flashback with that second one. [22:39]
nubbins` amazing art, very inspiring to me [22:39]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:39]
_mjoiii But how?!? [22:39]
nubbins` they're called Re:Surgo! these days [22:40]
nubbins` http://www.resurgo-berlin.com/ [22:40]
_mjoiii Do people like this support themselves??? [22:40]
ozbot Re:Surgo [22:40]
nubbins` _mjoiii: those two are world famous [22:40]
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nubbins` at one point marlboro asked them to design cigarette packs [22:42]
nubbins` they're in the museum of modern art [22:43]
nubbins` etc [22:43]
_mjoiii 65 euro? What's that in real money? How much in bitcoin? [22:44]
_mjoiii They sell prints of their mistakes? [22:45]
nubbins` ~0.435 btc [22:45]
nubbins` there are no mistakes, watch the first video i posted ;p [22:45]
nubbins` although you'd be surprised to know how much $$ people spend on stacked test prints [22:46]
_mjoiii That dude makes me so jealous. To just trip out all day... But the toilet thing.. [22:46]
nubbins` no need to be jealous, it's 100% within your grasp [22:46]
nubbins` hardest part is letting go [22:46]
_mjoiii So it made me wonder how he can afford to just buzz like that every day. [22:46]
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_mjoiii Cause fuck, I can grow my hair. [22:47]
nubbins` you'd be surprised how little money you can get by on if you try [22:47]
nubbins` i walked away from a stable, high-paying programmer/analyst job this past february to print full-time [22:47]
nubbins` and i haven't even had to skip a meal yet [22:47]
nubbins` but to be fair that jonathan meese guy is also world famous [22:48]
nubbins` and likely very, very wealthy [22:48]
nubbins` of course, that probably took decades of hard work, self doubt, and eating from food banks [22:48]
nubbins` but ya know [22:48]
nubbins` you kinda have to commit if you want to make something [22:49]
nubbins` anyway! party time. seeya. [22:49]
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_mjoiii Later man, some trippy shit [22:49]
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mircea_popescu benkay http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ [22:57]
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KRS1 certainly not Jay-Z [23:06]
KRS1 but thats my opinion =D [23:06]
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KRS1 what did you program nubbins? IT can be hard to get back into if you are out for a while [23:10]
kakobrekla bash just been flushed, i nuked the current points stats cause some idiot decided to write a bot to fuck with that, so i changed the system a bit and well, truncated teh table. [23:10]
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kakobrekla so feel free to recast your points ktnxbai [23:19]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla make it so you can only vote through assbot, [23:21]
mircea_popescu and maybe only if registered nick. [23:21]
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benkay what ams these point? [23:23]
kakobrekla thats a thought mp. [23:23]
kakobrekla maybe, if teh attacks dont stop [23:23]
kakobrekla benkay? [23:24]
benkay 'twasn't me. [23:25]
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benkay -ass has a points/karma thing now? [23:26]
kakobrekla bash does have some points im experimenting with i guess [23:27]
benkay i am missing so much context [23:28]
kakobrekla this thing benkay http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/ [23:28]
benkay oh that thing [23:29]
benkay tee hee [23:30]
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