Forum logs for 02 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	who's bitmain, the antminer ppl ?	[00:01]
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mircea_popescu	5ph = ~ 10k antiminers. they never made that many did they ?	[00:02]
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rithm	lol at what cazalla said	[00:04]
rithm	generation address pretty easy to prove for a mining op	[00:04]
rithm	idk anything about it, I'm scamfree since 2012	[00:05]
rithm	new coin generation not something to be obscured though, that's for sure for a mining op, huge red flag	[00:05]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I dunno much other than they seem to ship something.	[00:06]
rithm	but iff all they have is a bunch of miners that doesn't imply new coin generation or a pool	[00:06]
rithm	just means they have a lot of miners mining away	[00:06]
rithm	obv you'd want to run your own block source and clustered hashing for failover purposes	[00:07]
rithm	or new coin generation	[00:07]
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BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/12/un-report-criticises-united-states-on-human-rights/	[00:35]
assbot	UN Report Criticises United States on Human Rights \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1rPQ7k5 )	[00:35]
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BingoBoingo	Compare and contrast to the Miami Herlad version being passed around http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/guantanamo/article4198431.html	[00:38]
assbot	U.N. panel raps U.S. record on torture, cites Guantánamo \| The Miami Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1rPQVWi )	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58200 @ 0.00034106 = 19.8497 BTC [+]	[00:39]
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thestringpuller	;;seen diana_coman	[00:45]
gribble	diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 54 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader	[00:45]
jurov	!mpif	[00:45]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021745 B (Total: 475.53 B). Delta: 0.52 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]	[00:45]
jurov	!t m f.mpif	[00:45]
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mats_cd03	http://youtu.be/aYDfwUJzYQg	[01:10]
assbot	Primus - Wynona's Big Brown Beaver - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSVauo )	[01:10]
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nubbins`	so apparently the paper that we're using for the book covers is being discontinued	[01:13]
nubbins`	if any of you live in major metropolitan centres in north america and want something in return for your time, pm me	[01:14]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo omfg check this out, pravda lying about what the un said.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	why history repeats itself so much! boring history! bad history!	[01:24]
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mircea_popescu	lol nubsy has a trade network.	[01:25]
nubbins`	no kidding hey	[01:29]
cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-blackmailer-given-four-year-jail-sentence/	[01:29]
assbot	Bitcoin Blackmailer Given Four Year Jail Sentence \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSXqBI )	[01:29]
nubbins`	boston, seattle, annapolis on the hunt already ;p	[01:29]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Well, it's why we needed a qntra to serve as the billboard next to the city's gates. Gotta put indictments somewhere.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:32]
BingoBoingo	Re: lizard hitler, Deposed? http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-hunters-find-bullets-from-american-civil-war-in-185-year-old-alligators-hide/	[01:32]
assbot	USA: Hunters Find Bullets from American Civil War in 185-Year Old Alligator’s Hide	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	which side ?	[01:35]
BingoBoingo	They are guessing confederate	[01:37]
BingoBoingo	But... can only trust the pravda so much. Prolly from when Obama's great grandfather was sent on a secret mission to assasinate the great reptillian	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:39]
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mircea_popescu	"DAWKINS: No, never. But suppose an intermediate species hadn’t gone extinct. Suppose relict populations are discovered in the African jungle. In order to deny chimpanzees rights, you would have to set up apartheid-like courts to decide whether this individual counts as human. Because it’s a continuum. As a practical matter, the intermediates haven’t survived, so it’s possible to give humans basic rights and gi	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	ve chimpanzees none. But I think it’s a worthwhile argument."	[01:41]
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mircea_popescu	it's a worhtwhile argument that the only reason blacks aren't chimps is that some middle links died off ?!	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	dude this playboy interview is one of the stupidest things i ever read.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	i had a much better impression on dawkins	[01:42]
BingoBoingo	Everyone gets a dissapoint today!	[01:44]
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gernika	Anyone who has travelled to Buenos Aires have some recommendations for getting pesos once there? I assume the airport kiosks are total ripoff.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	!up UltimateNate	[01:51]
-assbot-	You voiced UltimateNate for 30 minutes.	[01:51]
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mircea_popescu	gernika florida.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	should get 12-13 per dollar.	[01:52]
danielpbarron	how convenient, the intermediate species don't exist... but the Bible is still wrong because science!	[01:52]
gernika	mircea_popescu: Calle Florida. Got it. Thanks.	[01:53]
undata	danielpbarron: the bible can be wrong all on its own, though science can help	[01:54]
undata	As far as why there aren't intermediate species left, there are plenty of possible answers. One of them might be that early human populations were into cracking competing skulls	[01:56]
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jurov	!deed http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201411.txt.asc	[01:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HT0YnA )	[01:57]
jurov	where's notary?	[01:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5963 @ 0.00033484 = 1.9967 BTC [-]	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	ya srsly	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	punkman ?	[01:58]
danielpbarron	.deed http://explo.yt/public/fmpif_201411.txt.asc	[01:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HT14M2 )	[01:58]
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gernika	danielpbarron: What are the criteria for something to be an intermediate species? How long does something have to have been around and how large does the population have to be for it to be classified as such? Seems like for populations that were at no time higher than the hundreds of thousands it would be very unlikely to expect to find fossils. Google tells me the peak population of neanderthals	[02:02]
gernika	was 70,000.	[02:02]
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BingoBoingo	Neanderthals died for their socialism	[02:07]
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mircea_popescu	it's nto as simple as a headcount.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	every single snail leaves a fossil. few cephalopodes do. etc.	[02:09]
BingoBoingo	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2nz8yi/coin_fire_response_to_gaw_miners_cd/cmidaov	[02:11]
assbot	Coin Fire Response to GAW Miners C&D : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1HT2QN4 )	[02:11]
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BingoBoingo	One step forward, two steps back with these coinfire people.	[02:13]
undata	danielpbarron: you just wanted to shout "bible is right!" eh?	[02:15]
undata	strange, I didn't expect to see that around here	[02:15]
mats_cd03	wow, scribd is even worse than before	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	http://www.xenosystems.net/chaos-patch-38/ << this guy, that apparently binges on trilema, linked http://trilema.com/2014/of-mendacity-mold-bugs-and-other-things/	[02:20]
assbot	Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Chaos Patch (#38) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HT47Uk )	[02:20]
assbot	Of mendacity, mold, bugs and other things. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HT47Up )	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	and so i tried to read that thing with the eyes of a stranger	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	holy hell i have no idea what i'm even saying.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	decimation A more interesting question is: how does 'black music' go from Louis Armstrong to thug rap in 50 years?	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	mircea popescu The white hierarchy supporting society collapsed ? How does the French underground go from rengaine to "Irreversible" ? WW2. Most of the better Frenchmen got shot.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	holy shit how could that make any sense to anyone other than me ?	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	i specifically meant rengaine as a reference to "Quand je m'endors bercée par une rengaine j'suis soudain réveillée par des cris"	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	which is part of dans ma rue, this thing : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUByZb1CkXM	[02:22]
assbot	Edith PIAF Dans ma rue - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HT4m1Q )	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	a song about forced prostitution and hunger in earlier france.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	now who the fuck could hav efigured that out. i gotta make more footnotes.	[02:22]
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mircea_popescu	undata yes, danielpbarron is a biblical literalist.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	and irreversible is of course that atrocious production with the 10 minute bellucci rape scene.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	(who, incidentally, only does movies if she's raped in them, for some reason. perhaps with the exception of that one where she kills herself at dinner with her ex.)	[02:26]
gernika	mircea_popescu: I find that if I follow your hints, I can understand more of each of your posts. 1. Research all references not understood. 2. Read multiple times. 3. Get better at reading by learning what words actually mean (that is, learning the etymology of each).	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	gernika i had a slavegirl apply this process to a few pages of shaw. took her A YEAR	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	course, it did markedly improve pretty much any language-related cognitive function in the process.	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	but still. takes a while.	[02:28]
gernika	That seems reasonable. I believe I'm looking at 5 to 10 years of work.	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	sounds like a fucking degree.	[02:28]
gernika	Well, first I have to learn Greek. Then Latin.	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	hanbot well... you are aware vampirism is a rape metaphor yes ?	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	"Why are you locking up these important notices in a PDF turd hosted on a site with Facebook integration." BingoBoingo because they seek external validation, and they believe inaccessibility and hermetism are a good proxy. like all ignoramuses ever do believe.	[02:30]
hanbot	in that case, i suppose she rapes a baby.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	this is a cognate of the guy who bought glasses to read. because that's what he was missing.	[02:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.0011501 = 1.1501 BTC [-] {2}	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	hanbot which is this one anyway ? the 90s thing with ryder ?	[02:32]
hanbot	mhm	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	o yeah she was one of the brides huh	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	the one with the nice tits.	[02:32]
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hanbot	mircea_popescu you oughta do billings for films	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	it's one of the skills i reserve for the scavenger world to come.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	i will be this codgery old guy with an ellaborate cough, an old german trenchcoat, aviator eye goggles and a sorta-functioning projector	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	doing hand drawn posters for re-runs of old films.	[02:35]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[02:35]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2TEXDFF.txt )	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it's incredible how much bellucci looks like an italian matron as she ages.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	spitting fucking image, she could have sucked cock off via flaminia sixteen centuries ago, only her hair'd be different.	[02:36]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> the one with the nice tits. << indeed.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	how did that go, "if your nipples don't float halfway between your chin and your belly button, your tits ain't big enough"	[02:39]
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ben_vulpes	undata, danielpbarron: things on the manifold of reality find trajectories of stability away from each other because niche specialization	[02:44]
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undata	ben_vulpes: well said; I have my doubts as to whether this particular one is stable	[02:47]
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gernika	Reading at a higher level seems akin to using higher level programming languages. The ability to pack more information into fewer lexical units is powerful. Just realized this.	[02:54]
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nubbins`	dat jargon	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	amusingly enough, species exist for the same exact reason and through apparently the same mechanism subatomic particles "exist"	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	ie, as training wheels on a function wave.	[02:59]
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cazalla	http://qntra.net/2014/12/moneybeat-a-wsj-blog-confirms-gaw-miners-is-a-ponzi/	[03:06]
assbot	MoneyBeat, A WSJ Blog, Confirms GAW Miners Is A Ponzi \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zaVcId )	[03:06]
mircea_popescu	cazalla can easily be read as "one order was this much".	[03:09]
cazalla	easy for him to confirm the rest or for bitmain to do so if they respond to my email	[03:10]
cazalla	anyway, his timeline is still fucked up, bitmain didn't even ship scrpt miners back in october nor can you mine scypt coins with sha256 asics despite him claiming otherwise	[03:11]
cazalla	only a scammer would mix the 2 up	[03:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62100 @ 0.0003286 = 20.4061 BTC [-]	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	that's a point.	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	or two.	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	"Josh Garza – What we can talk about is everybody, so, we quite literally use every major manufacturer in the world, so, bitmain, we're actually in discussions right now with bitfury, inaudible, I mean, every single company. We are in the process of beginning to build our own chip, we do have hardware that is not publicly available that created economies of scale for us, kinda all over the place, probably a less gl	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	amorous answer than you were looking for but we actually are putting the finishing touches on one of our biggest data centres yet in the next couple of weeks, I actually spoke to someone a few days ago who saw it and he's never seen that many miners and flash computers in one place."	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	ew.	[03:30]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: training wheels on a function wave? <<< yeah, you know, help you find it exists.	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: "Currently, digital currencies lack the basic protections consumers have come to expect when transacting online " << because what the "consumer" has "come to expect" is the fucking alpha and omega of the perceptible universe.	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	this needs to be broken. it's not "o noes, bitcoin wants to replace mastercard with itself". nothing like that.	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin wants to entirely destroy the things crap such as mastercard even stands on,	[10:17]
mircea_popescu	plow it and salt it.	[10:17]
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mircea_popescu	like the idea that people may be "consumers" anymore than they may be martians,	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	or the idea that what "consumers" "have come to expect" is relevant in any discussion of anything nonfiction anymore than princess leila's opinion would be.	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	leia*. for some reason i keep conflating her with the dog.	[10:18]
mircea_popescu	stupid ass paradigm wherein business has come to mean "serving consumers" and obviously then the consumerness of individual people has to be "supported" by the state, and soon enough you've got an anthill being built want it or not.	[10:20]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2013#345190 lol @last year.	[10:37]
assbot	Logged on 09-10-2013 03:46:03; mircea_popescu: i am amused at the noobs that still don't grasp why their average bitcoin lifespan is less than a year.	[10:37]
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mircea_popescu	!up badon	[11:14]
-assbot-	You voiced badon for 30 minutes.	[11:14]
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badon	hi mircea_popescu	[11:14]
badon	Thanks	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	ello. yw.	[11:14]
mircea_popescu	who're you ?	[11:14]
badon	mircea_popescu: Me? I'm badon.	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	hehe ok.	[11:15]
BingoBoingo	He came here because he heard about DoS bot	[11:15]
badon	Right.	[11:15]
badon	I'm still here because I'm trying to figure out what this chan is about :)	[11:15]
BingoBoingo	Give it a few months	[11:16]
BingoBoingo	.bait	[11:17]
mircea_popescu	badon this chan is the public forum of a new power in the world, ie, the people who have been made immensely rich by bitcoin and are slowly but surely taking over the world.	[11:17]
punkman	badon, I've come across coincompendium a couple times, is that your thing?	[11:17]
BingoBoingo	badon: Should have been here for n00dz bot	[11:17]
badon	punkman: Yes, it is. Apparently it's rapidly becoming much more well-known.	[11:18]
badon	punkman: It was pretty obscure until a few months ago, so I'm still reacting with surprise when people ask me about it out of the blue.	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	"The Coin Compendium needs your financial support to remain in operation for the month of December 2014! Other ways you can help: Donate images."	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	what's it do ?	[11:19]
badon	mircea_popescu: I was investing in silver when Bitcoin was $0.25.	[11:19]
mircea_popescu	how did that go ?	[11:19]
badon	mircea_popescu: It's sort of a comprehensive market database. It contains lots of fine-grained data, and it's also able to give a more general overview.	[11:20]
mircea_popescu	link me to something that'll make it obvious to me ?	[11:20]
badon	mircea_popescu: I used my silver (and palladium, etc) profits to fund investments in rare modern Chinese coins, which I'm still doing.	[11:20]
badon	mircea_popescu: Hmm, OK, let me think for a bit about that. Maybe you could read the Fundly description?	[11:21]
badon	I hope that's good, but I really don't know since I haven't gotten any feedback about it yet.	[11:21]
badon	It's big and complex, as one of the largest wikis in the world.	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	well no, if you make an engine and i ask "show me the part that'll make me grok wtf this is" you don't wanna show a leaflet.	[11:21]
badon	haha, right.	[11:21]
mircea_popescu	i'll think you're a playwright or something.	[11:21]
badon	I plan on giving people access to it via a browser plugin, so it will automatically show interesting data about something whenever you're looking at it.	[11:22]
badon	For example, each coin known to the CC can be tracked on its journey through time and space.	[11:22]
mircea_popescu	sort-of like that five dollar bill novelty website or w/e it was where people kept writing on dollars ?	[11:24]
badon	haha, something like that.	[11:24]
badon	Well, actually, the CC can track a single bill by its serial number.	[11:24]
badon	In practice, the CC only tracks what people think is important enough to enter into the CC.	[11:24]
badon	So, ordinary $5 bills don't get tracked.	[11:24]
mircea_popescu	so the site will work well if a lot of people external to it put a lot of work into doing things in a certain way it prescribes for their benefit ?	[11:25]
badon	No, that was the original plan, but it failed because it's too complicated, and there's too much data that can easily become a problem if it's not correctly entered.	[11:25]
badon	So, the CC has a professional data entry team now.	[11:25]
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badon	"External" people (as you say) can request an account of course. We watch what they do carefully, and I'm planning on creating a class of users that can only edit info, not add more pages. It's much easier to fix mistakes on otherwise correctly entered data.	[11:27]
badon	I should really keep a handy thing of usage examples.	[11:27]
badon	I'm getting asked this more often.	[11:27]
badon	It's really hard to predict how people will use the CC's data.	[11:27]
mircea_popescu	so basically you're doing a wikipedia alt-chain, got raped for the one-blockchain reason and are now trying to make it work in a private fantasy world.	[11:27]
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badon	mircea_popescu: Haha, no.	[11:28]
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badon	It's very different from Wikipedia.	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	dja know what i mean by the "one-blockchain" reason ?	[11:29]
badon	no	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	then how do you know if yes or no ?	[11:29]
badon	Because it's not an alternative to Wikipedia.	[11:29]
mircea_popescu	but it runs on mediawiki.	[11:29]
badon	Right, but it's heavily customized.	[11:30]
badon	Wikipedia is incapable of handling the computing demands.	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	if it is that's not directly obvious. like how ?	[11:30]
mircea_popescu	afaik it copies wikipedia even to the "need donation" point. i really can't discern any structural difference ?	[11:30]
badon	We run Semantic MediaWiki (SMW), which handles very sophisticated data relationships.	[11:30]
badon	For example, there are 3 main kinds of data: Types, Specimens, and Sightings.	[11:31]
badon	They are hierarchical, in that order.	[11:31]
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badon	A coin you hold in your hand is a specimen. Other coins like it are of the same type. When you see one of them being sold on ebay, that's a sighting.	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	this is like a parallel universe look at that!	[11:31]
mircea_popescu	"The technical foundation of the Semantic Web is given by the standards RDF - Resource Description Framework (for data description), OWL - Web Ontology Language (for giving the RDF terms a formal meaning), and SPARQL - SPARQL Protocol and RDF Query Language (as a query language and protocol)."	[11:31]
badon	Yeah, we hide most of that complexity at the CC, which is saying a lot considering how complicated it is already.	[11:32]
badon	One moment, let me show you a real world example.	[11:32]
BingoBoingo	Related, maybe? https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-65Kw_kSem9c/VHkvdNU9kAI/AAAAAAAAEnI/eSso28-Y_p8/s1600/bnw.jpg	[11:32]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1y9DMta )	[11:32]
BingoBoingo	RDF sucks. MARC records are better.	[11:33]
mircea_popescu	stuff the w3c has been doing long after everyone stopped paying attention i guess.	[11:33]
BingoBoingo	MARC reads much more cleanly from tape reels	[11:34]
badon	mircea_popescu: Here's a real world research excursion I embarked on: https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?topic=5632.msg38430#msg38430	[11:34]
BingoBoingo	Set it and forget it. None of that line noise on the audio jack and nao all of your XML is borked bullshit.	[11:34]
assbot	MCC LIST #183: 2014, collectors, pullback 9 reasons, food, coin-medal-whatever ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBHlC )	[11:34]
punkman	http://i.imgur.com/4y4rW0J.png	[11:34]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBHCa )	[11:34]
mircea_popescu	livebusinesschat ?!	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	this isn't going to try and pop webcams is it ?	[11:35]
badon	That one is complicated, and shows off some of the power of the CC, but you might not understand it if you're not savvy about the particular market we're talking about.	[11:35]
badon	This example is simpler: https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?topic=5632.msg38414#msg38414	[11:35]
assbot	MCC LIST #183: 2014, collectors, pullback 9 reasons, food, coin-medal-whatever ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBKOp )	[11:35]
badon	mircea_popescu: No, it's very tame business discussion group - basically my personal hobby/blog site.	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	punkman bring wet towels.	[11:35]
mircea_popescu	badon you run your personal website on smf ?	[11:36]
badon	The star of the show are the lists.	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	you might be the weirdest guy here.	[11:36]
badon	mircea_popescu: Yes, I love SMF.	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	;;ident badon	[11:36]
gribble	Nick 'badon', with hostmask 'badon!~badon@pdpc/supporter/active/badon', is not identified.	[11:36]
badon	mircea_popescu: You haven't seen anything yet. We use SMF at the CC forum as a bug tracking system.	[11:36]
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mircea_popescu	badon listen, get registered in the wot, i'll rate you just for nubbins` pleasure.	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	also	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	!s coin	[11:36]
assbot	4513 results for 'coin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=coin	[11:36]
badon	I think I'm register in WoT. What do I do next?	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	^ there's a lot of coin discussion in the logs, including offers to sell stuff etc.	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	;;rate badon 1 Coin guy.	[11:37]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	well, you think wrong. lemme dig the link.	[11:37]
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badon	Web of Trust?	[11:37]
davout	hello	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets <	[11:37]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBQ8x )	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	hello davout	[11:37]
badon	Check this out, our SMF bug tracker: https://forum.coincompendium.com/index.php?board=27.0	[11:37]
assbot	CCT407 Data entry error reports and confirmations ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBQ8P )	[11:37]
badon	IT's a great way to abuse a forum :)	[11:37]
mircea_popescu	im sure the script kiddies in our related webinar will be all over that.	[11:38]
punkman	badon: you should probably watch out for that ddos bot, now that your links are in the logs	[11:38]
badon	What do you mean?	[11:38]
badon	punkman: How so?	[11:38]
davout	badon: to abuse bitcointalk a brain is sufficient, no need to resort to hacking	[11:38]
badon	You mean our websites?	[11:38]
badon	haha	[11:38]
mircea_popescu	badon i mean there's all sorts of kids reading the logs (ie, the "Webinar" lol)	[11:39]
badon	davout: That's the thing, it's not hacked, it's stock.	[11:39]
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badon	We use plain vanilla SMF as a bug tracker, because a bug tracker is basically a forum. Same thing for a blog at LBC.	[11:39]
mircea_popescu	davout wait, wasn't tardstalk run on a newly made software by some one-guy company that got paid half a trillion dollars for that ?	[11:39]
punkman	mircea_popescu: no they are still working on that	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[11:40]
BingoBoingo	http://www.firebox.com/product/6501/Mouse-Taxidermy-Kit	[11:41]
assbot	Mouse Taxidermy Kit - buy at Firebox.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9GDlW )	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	who	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	what	[11:41]
mircea_popescu	oh nevermind!	[11:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.10100401 = 1.5151 BTC [-]	[11:41]
badon	mircea_popescu: Anyway, did you see the simple research example? It's basically checking past sales prices, but the power of the CC allows you to count the number of specimen appearances on the market to determine rarity. Ordinary price guides would just show a bunch of sales, with no epiphany that all those sales are actually only the same 2 coin specimens over and over. The number of sales alone would mislead you into thinking the	[11:42]
badon	coins aren't as rare as they truly are.	[11:42]
davout	mircea_popescu: successfully leading an it project: hard	[11:42]
badon	davout: Yeah.	[11:42]
mircea_popescu	badon i see.	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	actually, what i see : you've got a passion for coins and are throwing software at it. nothing wrong with that.	[11:43]
badon	Right!	[11:43]
mircea_popescu	get in the wot an' talk to nubbins` you'll be like two peas in a pod.	[11:44]
badon	what is "the wot"?	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust davout	[11:44]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask davout!~davout@unaffiliated/davout. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user davout: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 24 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=davout \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=davout \| Rated since: Thu Jan 27 16:22:24 2011	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	^ that thing.	[11:44]
badon	nubbins :No such nick/channel	[11:44]
badon	whois result	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	you proly missed the `	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	he's special.	[11:45]
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davout	it's like the IRC nick hairgel	[11:45]
mircea_popescu	exactly!	[11:45]
punkman	heh	[11:45]
BingoBoingo	!up badon	[11:45]
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badon	right	[11:46]
davout	mircea_popescu: btw i'd be interested on feedback wrt http://fr.anco.is/2014/11/21/x-eur-november-20th-2014-statement/	[11:46]
badon	#hypothes.is is surprisingly similar to the CC.	[11:46]
assbot	X.EUR November 20th 2014 statement \| fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/1yyosYT )	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	you also can't really be voiced here without a wot.	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	davout ask and thou shalt receive.	[11:46]
davout	you can't disable the auto-stfu	[11:46]
badon	[nubbins`] #bitcoin-otc +#bitcoin-assets	[11:46]
mircea_popescu	davout if you're around on the 15th i dun see any reason for it to take more than a few minutes.	[11:47]
badon	mircea_popescu, punkman: Have you heard of "the badon effect"?	[11:48]
BingoBoingo	badon: He's canadian and a printer. nubbins` is probably SLP atm	[11:48]
davout	mircea_popescu: that's if you're around too	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	davout yes, but can you find a day i wasn't around ?	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	badon nope.	[11:49]
badon	Check out this chart here, it shows my influence over the rare Chinese coin market: https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?topic=5632.msg37707#msg37707	[11:49]
assbot	MCC LIST #183: 2014, collectors, pullback 9 reasons, food, coin-medal-whatever ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybCgMg )	[11:49]
davout	if there's a day you weren't around i would be able to identify this particular day, yes :-)	[11:49]
badon	Today I was just notified that someone is sending me a few hundred dollars worth of free coins to me, solely because he likes them and he wants me to write about them more often.	[11:49]
badon	That has never happened before.	[11:50]
punkman	badon, maybe you should add a bitcoin category on CC	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	badon ok, so you're getting some traction. murky market as all hell, will prolly be a challenge to stay on top of everything.	[11:50]
badon	The funny thing is, it's a prominent fellow in China who can't even read English. They have noticed the badon effect all the way in China, despite the fact all my writings are only in English. That's like causing a tsunami in Japan by flushing the toilet in Detroit.	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	"I try to identify & buy into the hype in the beginning or as it is happening (the pro's would be about 2 steps ahead of me) but not after the initial rush because of the lower potential for price rise."	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	sounds exactly like a bitcoin gem.	[11:51]
badon	mircea_popescu: It is a challenge, truth be told, that's why the CC is so handy.	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	fucktarded us "consumers" ruining the world.	[11:51]
badon	mircea_popescu: That's also why the market is so reliably profitable.	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	won't be for too long.	[11:51]
badon	punkman: That's an interesting idea, but I haven't been able to envision a way to make that work. Do you have something in mind?	[11:51]
davout	mircea_popescu: a way to speed the rollover up would be to not wait for each other to be around to perform our respective steps in the process	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	badon you're familiar with the various "physical bitcoin" issues that often sell for whatever, 15k	[11:52]
punkman	badon, I mean bitcoin-themed physical coins	[11:52]
badon	mircea_popescu: Yes, those would be trackable.	[11:52]
badon	Yes, physical bitcoins can be tracked.	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	davout i can do that, sure. just, hadn't seen you in a while wanted to see if you still move or what.	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	" I don't mind over paying a little as the wise man baden always says, to get what I like but I have limits & they are based on potential of growth, 10% is better than bank interest but I would rather a potential 50% - 2000%!!!!! (savvy or greedy?!)"	[11:53]
badon	I could create a project for it at the CC, if someone wanted to oversee it. I'm not qualified to do it myself, and we don't have the funding to have the CC team do it without some major help.	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	!!!!! helps in business i find.	[11:53]
davout	wunderbar, let's do it like this	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	aite, aite.	[11:53]
badon	mircea_popescu: Coins from China with a mintage of 100 can be bought for under $200 if you're lucky. The same coin in a mature numismatic market could sell for millions of dollars.	[11:54]
BingoBoingo	Is !!!!! the new =====	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	what's a "mintage of 100" mean ?	[11:54]
badon	mircea_popescu: 100 coins produced.	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	seems to me that "mature numismatic market" contains some presupositions that won't hold after you flood it with random coins.	[11:55]
badon	mircea_popescu: Mintages of 500'000 are considered unusually small.	[11:55]
badon	mircea_popescu: You are correct in your impression, to a degree.	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	anyway, do you have or can you get chinese coins from 100 ad sort of thing ? that'd be more on point for millions of dollars.	[11:56]
badon	That's why the comparison isn't 1-to-1	[11:56]
badon	yes, you can get coins like that.	[11:56]
mircea_popescu	http://www.ebay.com/bhp/roman-denarius << wow check out how cheap the denarius is even	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea.	[11:57]
assbot	Roman Denarius \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybCxyU )	[11:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82927 @ 0.00034055 = 28.2408 BTC [+] {2}	[11:57]
badon	Actually, the differences between Western mature numismatic markets and China's immature numismatic market, may not be a negative factor for the profit potentials in Chinese coins. For example, important American art might sell for a few tens of millions of dollars. Fairly unknown Chinese art can sell for hundreds of millions of dollars.	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[11:58]
badon	mircea_popescu: That's an excellent example of why age and rarity alone are not good determinations of value, nor investment potential.	[11:58]
mircea_popescu	maybe you're seeing too much into the natural excesses of first generation chinese new money.	[11:58]
badon	China goes big, much more so than the West.	[11:58]
badon	mircea_popescu: No, I'm talking about in general, historically, not only now.	[11:58]
badon	For example, if you look at a wikipedia list of the largest empires, I think the Romans don't even rank in the top 10.	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	what's your definition of "largest" ?	[11:59]
badon	mircea_popescu: The lists are sortable by land area and population.	[11:59]
mircea_popescu	yeah but i mean... who cares.	[11:59]
badon	If I remember correctly, the comparison still held for both.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	im sure some sort of something or the other was big in south and north america. so what of it.	[12:00]
badon	The point is that comparing China to the West can cause severe under-estimation of profit potentials in the Chinese coins.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	you're too meta.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	profit may be overestimated or underestimated.	[12:00]
mircea_popescu	profit potential however can not be either.	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	it's a potential, unless it actualizes you never know how well you did estimating it.	[12:01]
badon	mircea_popescu: I call my shots publicly. Check my track record at LBC. No financial analyst in any market ever in the history of ever has been as accurate as I am.	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	that's a common claim.	[12:01]
badon	In other words, please investigate what I'm saying. It's valuable info.	[12:01]
mircea_popescu	how long have you been at it ?	[12:02]
badon	Since 2004.	[12:02]
badon	Publicly, that is.	[12:02]
badon	I've been doing it far longer privately.	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[12:02]
badon	I don't publish everything I'm doing, but what I have published is very impressive if I do say so myself.	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	so link me to something from 2005 ?	[12:03]
badon	For example, when I was investing in silver, I called the direction and timing of market changes with 100% accuracy. I made a convenient chart of my predictions somewhere, let me see if I can find it.	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	kay. unrelatedly, how much is http://d1j7du92h5z3wu.cloudfront.net/ss/banners/large728/perthbullion.gif paying for that spot ?	[12:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1ybCRh1 )	[12:04]
badon	looking	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	it's the banner on forums.silverstackers.com	[12:05]
badon	I don't know.	[12:05]
mircea_popescu	o, not your forum ?	[12:06]
badon	You could ask them. That's a popular site. They used to talk about my articles a lot there. Not sure if they do now, though.	[12:06]
badon	No, silverstackers.com is not mine.	[12:06]
badon	Well, I'm not going to publicly acknowledge it as mine, if it were :)	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	mkay.	[12:07]
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mircea_popescu	!up xinxiwang	[12:08]
BingoBoingo	!up xinxiwang	[12:08]
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-assbot-	You voiced xinxiwang for another 30 minutes.	[12:08]
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mircea_popescu	ha!	[12:08]
xinxiwang	haha, thanks to you two.	[12:09]
BingoBoingo	I'm gassy. I probably shouldn't have had an entire broccoli	[12:09]
badon	mircea_popescu: The silver chart is eluding me. You can see a review of my predictions for 2014, dating back to 2012, here: https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?topic=5632.msg37706#msg37706	[12:09]
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assbot	MCC LIST #183: 2014, collectors, pullback 9 reasons, food, coin-medal-whatever ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybD5Vj )	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	badon 2014 to 2012 is substantially a weaker claim than "since 2004".	[12:10]
badon	mircea_popescu: That's when the discussion group was founded. I'm not sure how far back my articles go. At least to 2009, for articles that are still online on the SMF forum site.	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with how split list scamming works ?	[12:11]
badon	You'll have to look, I honestly don't remember how far back it goes. I have hundreds of articles, and I think there's a chronological list somewhere...	[12:11]
badon	mircea_popescu: No, what is that?	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/	[12:12]
assbot	How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you're talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybDbfR )	[12:12]
badon	Oh, it's selection bias.	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	not exactly.	[12:12]
badon	I don't have that, because I don't delete any of my published posts, including the ones I would prefer to go away.	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	well, how would i know ?	[12:13]
mircea_popescu	for all it can be directly established, you wiped your 2004-2012 history ?	[12:13]
badon	mircea_popescu: I have a lot of enemies at the china-mint.info forum. They have tried to find fault, so ask them if I delete my own posts.	[12:14]
badon	They will tell you no.	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	but they're not in my wot	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	so they might as well not exist far as im concerned.	[12:14]
badon	Chronological list: https://www.livebusinesschat.com/?page=badon	[12:14]
badon	Here's one from 2005: https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?topic=101.0	[12:14]
assbot	Investing in palladium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybDerZ )	[12:14]
badon	I made ridiculous money on palladium.	[12:14]
mircea_popescu	dja know tort uh, i mean, r pietilla ?	[12:15]
badon	Myself and a guy in Canada were the only people in the world to publish a prediction about palladium. He got lucky. I kept doing it over, and over, and over, for 10 years and counting.	[12:15]
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BingoBoingo	!up badon	[12:16]
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BingoBoingo	badon: What are your thoughts on the plutonium market?	[12:16]
badon	BingoBoingo: certain varieties of it are currently the most commercially valuable substance in existence.	[12:16]
badon	Despite what Guiness says...	[12:16]
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badon	Plutonium is directly tied to the uranium market, so rising value of plutonium is reflected as rising value in uranium.	[12:17]
BingoBoingo	I'm just wondering if there's any risk someone might start up production on a scale that hypothetically/allegedly would tank its value	[12:17]
badon	You can often discern secret nuclear activities by watching uranium valuations.	[12:18]
badon	BingoBoingo: Doubtful.	[12:18]
badon	It's extremely difficult to produce plutonium unnoticed, and you have to have a military to tell other militaries not to try to stop you from producing it.	[12:18]
badon	Well, difficult to produce salable quantities, that is.	[12:19]
badon	salable/priceable.	[12:19]
BingoBoingo	What about once you have it? Hypothetically... At that point concerns about headcount to protect it go out the windows... Kind of the flipside of gold.	[12:19]
badon	What do you mean, BingoBoingo?	[12:19]
badon	Plutonium can and does get seized when it ends up in private handns.	[12:20]
badon	hands	[12:20]
BingoBoingo	Well, a giant collection of plutonium kind of protects itself.	[12:20]
badon	No, not really.	[12:20]
badon	That protection needs to be rigorously organized.	[12:20]
BingoBoingo	Or you make the pile bigger	[12:20]
badon	Simply having plutonium just makes you an easy target for a drone missile.	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	who shoots missiles at radioactive material lol	[12:21]
BingoBoingo	Sure, but also deters other people from walking up and taking the pile.	[12:21]
badon	Plutonium's existence can be easily detected from mere air sampling in the general region. You can't hide the fact that someone near you has it.	[12:21]
badon	mircea_popescu: It's happened before.	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo in what parallel universe do the thorns on the cactus prevent tequilla production ?	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	badon where when ?	[12:21]
badon	The USA has missilized downed satellites with nuclear material on them when they land in places like Iran.	[12:22]
badon	Most of it is secret information, but I seem to recall an event in the 1990's, but I don't remember where. There might have been one more recently too.	[12:23]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: point	[12:23]
badon	I think there was a movie scene that showed something like that happening too, which was interesting.	[12:23]
badon	Usually they can't be retrieved like the movie showed, because it's too dangerous.	[12:24]
badon	I can't remember what movie.	[12:24]
badon	It's in my head somewhere, but the problem with having lots of info is it can take a while to find it.	[12:24]
badon	mircea_popescu: Can you tell me about this "wot" thing that does voicing in here?	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	it's a web of trust. what do you want to know ?	[12:26]
BingoBoingo	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html badon	[12:26]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJfdYa )	[12:26]
badon	mircea_popescu: Just how to register with it.	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	gave you the link above.	[12:27]
BingoBoingo	http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	scrollup.	[12:28]
assbot	GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJflqG )	[12:28]
BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-10-2014#885588	[12:29]
assbot	Logged on 21-10-2014 00:34:41; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And maybe people learn not to visit datacenters uninvited...	[12:29]
badon	reading...	[12:30]
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cazalla	so, diff drop or what?	[12:59]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-mobile-revolution-or-what-consumers-have-come-to-expect/	[13:09]
assbot	The mobile "revolution", or what consumers have come to expect pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vEVSWP )	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	;;nethash	[13:09]
gribble	292636414.903	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	looks like it cazalla	[13:09]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: it wasn't the vendor. <<< maybe it was the vendor's useless bf.	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: assbot plz send donation to b-a donation address. << lol troll!	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	decimation: why should I trust some derp who 'volunteers' for arch over the upstream creator? <<< so very much this, o lordy.	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	it's how the entire "do-ocracy" nonsense got its cognitive start. the rebellion of the cleaning ladies, basically.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: decimation: and aha, these aren't piss-ant led lights either. ccfl tubes - which means they can't be cranked down all the much (and stay lit) <<< this is the deal breaker for me. i actually run the monitors at about 50% gamma.	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: for "my" safety. except i'm not liable for fraud. so actually they are being a pain in my ass for their safety. fucking home depot. << haha EXACTLY.	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	"for your safety, please suck my cock" is what all those things reduce to.	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	decimation: like, you know, so you can share in the bounty of their information? << good point this.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	cutting out like 2/3 of the value of all that collection (the actual guy wanting receipt copies etc) because well... they gotta be weird teenagers about it and do it voyeuristically. not the same thing if you know about it. except of course you know. but wait, suspension of dsibelief!	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation:cazalla: I use 'generic' rewards card << but... why ?	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha nobel prize eh ?	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	lettucee see	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	meh, not worth million whatever.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	i'd pay fiddy bucks for one, and that's generous.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	exactly what tits make.	[14:01]
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mircea_popescu	jurov why is it supposed to be anything i nparticular ?	[14:10]
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davout	"these are not the problems you are looking for"	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[14:12]
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mircea_popescu	"It is a fundamental misunderstanding of how science works for him to think that his expertise at one level of analysis—a molecular level—predicts anything at a higher level of analysis. The structure of DNA does not predict the workings of a cell, which does not predict the shape of a body, which does not predict the characteristics of a culture."	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	check out anon slate expert getting militant!	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	NO PREDICTION BITCH! THINGS JUST HAPPEN!	[14:13]
mircea_popescu	prolly obama predicts the workings of a cell.	[14:14]
*	adlai steals "That's like causing a tsunami in Japan by flushing the toilet in Detroit.", thx badon!	[14:18]
adlai	!up badon	[14:18]
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badon	adlai: Haha, yeah, I thought that was snappy!	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/doing-good-science/2014/12/01/james-watsons-sense-of-entitlement-and-misunderstandings-of-science-that-need-to-be-countered/ << check out SA laying down the law of the land. "Positioning James Watson as a very special scientist who deserves special treatment above and beyond the recognition of the Nobel committee feeds the problematic narrative of scientific knowledge as an achieveme	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	nt of great men (and yes, in this narrative, it is usually great men who are recognized). This narrative ignores the fundamentally social nature of scientific knowledge-building and the fact that objectivity is the result of teamwork."	[14:20]
assbot	James Watson’s sense of entitlement, and misunderstandings of science that need to be countered. \| Doing Good Science, Scientific American Blog Network ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMvB8m )	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	IF YOU MAKE A DISCOVERY YOU DIDN'T MAKE THAT DISCOVERY	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	TEAM OBAMA 4 SCIENCE!!11erleventy	[14:20]
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mircea_popescu	"knowledge-building team" is it now. a hunter^H^H^H^H^H^H-gatherer perspective on science! there's no hunters, just a buncha women sitting around by a bush doing knowledge-building.	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	"Indeed, part of the danger of the hero narrative is that scientists themselves may start to believe it. They can come to see themselves as individuals possessing more powers of objectivity than other humans (thus fundamentally misunderstanding where objectivity comes from)"	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	i find this quite scandalous. the "everything of value comes from socialism" narrative is pernicious enoughm	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	but that's utter nonsense. objectivity is exactly heroic.	[14:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway, basically this entire thing is a "you don't get to have any ~intellectual~ capital either, it all belongs to the state, to be used as slate anon editor directs it to be used".	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	nationalize all the things!	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	"In order that the unfortunate views not overshadow the big scientific contribution, some of these folks would rather we stop talking about Watson’s having made the claims he has made about racial difference (although Watson shows no apparent regret for holding these views, only for having voiced them to reporters)." << and the mechanics of "regret", ie, we won't stop being stupid, the victim has to abjure!	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	quite instructive piece on the mechanics of us socialism, all the various bits in full view.	[14:27]
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mircea_popescu	His views are also reflected in a book published next week, in which he writes: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	anyone willing to argue against that has my full attention.	[14:31]
adlai	source?	[14:32]
adlai	ah the sciam article	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/fury-at-dna-pioneers-theory-africans-are-less-intelligent-than-westerners-394898.html << some thing in 2007.	[14:33]
assbot	Fury at DNA pioneer's theory: Africans are less intelligent than Westerners - Science - News - The Independent	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	such a ridiculous point the soviets have chosen to center their purges around.	[14:33]
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mircea_popescu	i mean seriously, the intelligence ~of groups~ ? wtf does that even mean.	[14:34]
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mircea_popescu	given that clams are somewhat intelligent, is a large enough collection of clams more intelligent than victoria nuland ?	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	there's no fucking usable definition of intelligence, we've yet to build a computer model of intelligence, yet these people talk of some sort of statistical intelligence as if it were a thing.	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	i dunno how they manage to be this stupid.	[14:35]
adlai	it seems completely obvious that evolution of geographically separated populations progresses separately... a more interesting question is what proportion of population A fall behind the median of population B	[14:35]
nubbins`	hi	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	the median of an undefined attribute you don't even have a measure of,	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	let alone a SCALAR measure ?	[14:36]
nubbins`	baidon	[14:36]
adlai	eg "the average man is faster than the average woman, the fastest woman is faster than most men, but the fastest man is MUCH faster than the fastest woman"	[14:36]
nubbins`	er badon	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is the median of a set of tensors ?	[14:36]
nubbins`	so many pages!	[14:36]
badon	hi nubbins`	[14:36]
nubbins`	hey	[14:37]
nubbins`	so you're a coin guy hey	[14:37]
*	adlai holds up his copy of tensor analysis, pointing at the uncracked spine. this actually exists and has actually not been cracked yet.	[14:37]
badon	My fault.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	adlai no but see, even in your running and geneder example, you diverge. to my eyes, womanhood has to do with a nice layer of fat on he ass, as exemplified by kim say.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	this is obviously counterproductive to running	[14:37]
adlai	lol	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	perhaps even why i like it in the first place.	[14:37]
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badon	Yep, that's me. They used to call me the silver guy, or the palladium guy, or the art guy, or whatever it was I was making money in back then.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	NOW, the faster she runs, the less of a woman she is. objectively. how do you get out of that shit.	[14:38]
adlai	the question holds for any measurable, or at least "totally ordered", attribute	[14:38]
*	adlai really must go though	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	totally ordered INDEPENDENT attribute.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	later.	[14:38]
adlai	o/	[14:38]
nubbins`	i guess we can just call you "the guy", then	[14:38]
nubbins`	anyway, i can only assume my name was brought up because i have a passing interest in numismatics	[14:39]
nubbins`	i've got some neat physical bitcoins, some strange bullion pieces, etc	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	i thought it was a defining interest.	[14:39]
nubbins`	depends on if you talk to my accountant or not	[14:40]
badon	nubbins`: "The guy with the stuff for the thing"	[14:40]
nubbins`	my kinda guy	[14:40]
badon	nubbins`: punkman seems to have an interest in numismatics too.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	nah, he's just greek.	[14:41]
badon	The funny thing is that he had heard of the Coin Compendium before he met me, which is taking a while for me to get used to.	[14:41]
nubbins`	heh	[14:41]
nubbins`	so what, it's like a trade/price wiki?	[14:41]
nubbins`	sort of like discogs, but for coins?	[14:42]
badon	Like mircea_popescu said, "you're getting some traction"	[14:42]
badon	nubbins`: It's a sophisticated storehouse of structured data.	[14:42]
nubbins`	so.... like discogs, but for coins 8)	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: but that 'removes moral dimension!' << eerily similar to fundamentalist xtians objections to hymenoplasty.	[14:42]
badon	I don't know what that is.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	kinda shows that stupidity is unpatriotic by its nature. only has one country.	[14:42]
badon	As far as I know, there has never been anything like the CC before.	[14:43]
nubbins`	badon: "i wonder if this bob dylan album i bought at a flea market is a first pressing?"	[14:43]
nubbins`	badon: http://www.discogs.com/search/?q=blood+on+the+tracks	[14:43]
assbot	Searching for "blood on the tracks"	[14:43]
badon	looking	[14:43]
nubbins`	each item in search results is a different release, identified by catalogue number, flaws, changes in liner notes, etc etc	[14:43]
nubbins`	click a given release and you'll see notes, as well as a list of any member selling it	[14:44]
nubbins`	past sale prices, etc	[14:44]
badon	No, that's nothing at all like the CC. The CC is far more sophisticated.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[14:44]
nubbins`	o.O	[14:44]
badon	The CC can do everything that can do, of course.	[14:44]
nubbins`	can i buy and sell coins on the CC?	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	what are you, in love with a fucking site ?	[14:44]
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badon	nubbins`: Indirectly, yes.	[14:45]
nubbins`	directly would be cool too 8)	[14:45]
nubbins`	http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=3878&ev=mb	[14:45]
badon	Hmm, maybe even directly.	[14:45]
assbot	Buy Bob Dylan - Blood On The Tracks (Vinyl, CD) at Discogs Marketplace	[14:45]
badon	The CC does things that I don't even know it's doing.	[14:45]
badon	People come up with new stuff I hadn't thought of.	[14:45]
nubbins`	you should bump heads with melbustus on the forums, he runs spotcoins.com	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: not interested in such experiments. << try have the girl go naked for a day, srsly.	[14:46]
nubbins`	http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius	[14:46]
assbot	Casascius Physical Bitcoins - Price, Value, Photos, History, Series, Address Lookup \| Spot Coins ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMCZk3 )	[14:46]
badon	For example, every sighting for a coin specimen has a venue URL data bit attached to it. So, if you're posting your coins on your blog and you arrange to have them entered into the CC, then yes, someone could use the CC to buy your coins.	[14:46]
nubbins`	in the sense that someone could use the google to buy my coins	[14:47]
nubbins`	but yes, i understand what you're saying	[14:47]
badon	nubbins`: Right, but it's much more focused.	[14:47]
nubbins`	right	[14:47]
nubbins`	as far as casascius coins go, the marketplace is already pretty focused	[14:47]
badon	The CC isn't really a search engine. I guess you could call it something like a correlation engine.	[14:47]
badon	It takes lots of data, and lets you connect the dots.	[14:47]
nubbins`	fun	[14:48]
nubbins`	i've got some coins with very low mintages	[14:48]
badon	nubbins`: Did you see the examples that I pasted here earlier?	[14:48]
nubbins`	(sub-1000, sub-50)	[14:48]
badon	nubbins`: What's your lowest mintage coin?	[14:49]
badon	Nice.	[14:49]
nubbins`	badon they might've been lost in the convo	[14:49]
nubbins`	my lowest mintage is a 2013 0.5btc series-2 silver casascius	[14:49]
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nubbins`	http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius/variety/half-btc-silver-series-2	[14:49]
nubbins`	!up badon	[14:49]
assbot	Casascius Coins \| Spot Coins ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdexsd )	[14:49]
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nubbins`	;;ident badon	[14:49]
gribble	Nick 'badon', with hostmask 'badon!~badon@pdpc/supporter/active/badon', is not identified.	[14:49]
badon	nubbins`: I'll repaste them, one sec. I started keeping a list of examples based on mircea_popescu questions.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	gernika: What aggravates me more and more recently is the claim that mac products are well designed, when in fact they will destroy your hands. << mactardism is a very visual field. it doesn't account much for function.	[14:49]
nubbins`	get set up with gribble, why don't ya	[14:49]
nubbins`	they will destroy your hands how	[14:50]
nubbins`	my hyperbole parsing unit is offline	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, i never used one. his claim.	[14:50]
badon	nubbins`: Oooh, you're a physical bitcoin collector. People here suggested that the CC should track those, but the CC would need someone to lead a project to do that.	[14:51]
nubbins`	i sort of just ended up with a bunch of apple devices	[14:51]
nubbins`	it kinda just happened	[14:51]
nubbins`	badon i don't have much time to lead projects, but like i said, spotcoins is pretty much the definitive resource	[14:51]
nubbins`	there's also a guy "elianite" on the forums who updates a casascius coin PDF with some rare specimens	[14:52]
nubbins`	it's a bit disorganized, but lots of info	[14:52]
badon	nubbins`: Only your expertise is needed. The CC project as a whole is led by me, and we have a professional data entry team to do the grunt work.	[14:52]
nubbins`	http://www.coinfirm.org/app/download/3860348/The+CoinFIRM+Casascius+Guide+v0.11+.pdf	[14:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1zdff8K )	[14:52]
nubbins`	oh, right on.	[14:52]
badon	I know next to nothing about physical Bitcoins, and honestly, I don't have the time to become an expert in them.	[14:52]
nubbins`	i'm the closest you'll find to an expert around here	[14:53]
badon	The CC already has over 5000 types.	[14:53]
badon	nubbins`: The CC will make you seem like a genius :)	[14:53]
nubbins`	my friend, day-to-day living makes me seem that way	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha alpha nubbins` ? who knew!	[14:53]
nubbins`	XD	[14:53]
badon	nubbins`: If you want, I can create the project for you in the forum, and we can do some experimenting to get it rolling.	[14:54]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i have more than once kicked a violent drunk out of a bar by suggesting that he leave 8)	[14:54]
nubbins`	badon i can't promise anything (very busy month) but if it's there, i'm more likely to poke at it	[14:54]
badon	nubbins`: By the way, the CC (and me in general) tends to make coins more valuable when comprehensive information is made available about them. That gives you an edge.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	jujitubbins.	[14:55]
badon	It's actually a fundamental market principle that information increases the value of the commerce.	[14:55]
nubbins`	the gentle way	[14:55]
nubbins`	wait, that's judo	[14:56]
badon	So, if you want to make your bitcoin collection more valuable, let's start recording data.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	that's such a good hook for the online crowd.	[14:56]
nubbins`	badon, i've already made some progress on that front	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[14:56]
badon	nubbins`: Start with a CC forum account, can you do that?	[14:56]
nubbins`	i single-handedly raised the market price for one specimen from 1.5btc to 15btc	[14:56]
badon	nubbins`: Ah, so you've had a taste of the nectar of numismatics :)	[14:56]
nubbins`	nod	[14:57]
nubbins`	current sale price is 20btc 8)	[14:57]
badon	I think physical bitcoins ought to be collectible like any other coin. They're historically important, despite not being "official" in any way.	[14:57]
nubbins`	i'm on the fence	[14:57]
nubbins`	casascius coins, sure. first of their sort.	[14:57]
badon	nubbins`: CC data has led to recognition by NGC and PCGS.	[14:58]
nubbins`	these days, everyone and their dog is making "physical cryptos" and they're all the goddamn same.	[14:58]
nubbins`	silver round w/ a holo.	[14:58]
nubbins`	those kialara bars are the only mildly interesting development since 2011	[14:58]
badon	CC can record them all - or at least all of them that are worth the bother of recording.	[14:58]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/BN6M4/embed#0	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's at least in my disinterested and ignorant view, the bane of "numismatics" applied to things made after ww2.	[14:59]
assbot	Kialara Physical Bitcoin - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdgRiP )	[14:59]
badon	The CC is intended to serve as a historical record. Much of what we know about many coins would be completely lost eventually without the CC.	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	it's not unlike calling "literature" the huge pile of us produced pulp.	[14:59]
badon	looking	[14:59]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu look at the royal canadian mint for a perfect example. dozens of new designs per year, almost all of them would be "tales from the crypt volume 34" if they were books	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't pay above the metal for any of them either.	[15:00]
nubbins`	http://www.mint.ca/store/coins/pure-gold-ultrahigh-relief-coin-ndash-the-fierce-canadian-lynx-ndash-mintage-500-2014-prod2220074	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	i don't pay for krugerands, and those at least are historically relevant.	[15:00]
assbot	Pure Gold Ultra-High Relief Coin - The Fierce Canadian Lynx - Mintage: 500 (2014) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdhaKE )	[15:00]
nubbins`	case in point	[15:00]
nubbins`	look at that fucking cat.	[15:00]
nubbins`	if a wildlife officer came across something that looked like that, he'd shoot it in the head	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	jesus they need a faster server.	[15:01]
nubbins`	look at the font.	[15:01]
nubbins`	"fuck it, just stretch it vertically"	[15:01]
nubbins`	they produce maybe 5 coins worth buying each year	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	exactly lol	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	looks to me like something a kid made in paint.	[15:01]
badon	nubbins`: That's one reason why I like the Chinese coins so much. They're still producing rare coins each year, and Chinese collectors are mostly unaware of them. Canada is not populous enough to make a coin with a mintage of 25'000 extraordinarily valuable, but China is populous enough to make a coin with a mintage of 100 extraordinarily valuable. Make sense?	[15:02]
nubbins`	sure does	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	i still don't see why some coins nobody gives a shit about would be intrinsically valuable.	[15:02]
nubbins`	now in the mint's defense, they really push the envelope feature-wise	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	whether there's 100 or 500 of them.	[15:02]
nubbins`	colored coins, enamel, glass, holograms, etc	[15:03]
badon	The high metal value coins are to be avoided. Perfect example: https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/2npm32/somebody_just_made_an_easy_5k_on_ebay/	[15:03]
assbot	Somebody just made an easy $5k+ on ebay : investing ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdhJE5 )	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	badon as long as you never pay more for a coin than the metal value you're safe enough.	[15:03]
badon	mircea_popescu: It's difficult to predict which coins will be valuable, but I'm literally writing the book on the subject.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	how about this prediction : none.	[15:03]
Naphex	is there such a thing as intrisic value?	[15:03]
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mircea_popescu	nothwithstanding anecdotal success getting retarded kids to give you their lunch,	[15:04]
badon	mircea_popescu: Not true.	[15:04]
nubbins`	here's another brutal one: http://www.mint.ca/store/coins/50-for-50-fine-silver-coin-snowy-owl-2014-prod2090035#.VH24AGTF8Yc	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	modern coins are worth whatever any modern item is worth.	[15:04]
assbot	$50 for $50 Fine Silver Coin - Snowy Owl (2014) ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdi9dP )	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	Naphex kinda my point.	[15:04]
nubbins`	it's like the sculptors have never worked in relief before.	[15:04]
badon	The coin in the link had a metal value of over $14k. It sold for $9k.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	badon not my problem, that.	[15:05]
nubbins`	altho the whole "$50 for $50" thing is neat.	[15:05]
badon	nubbins`: The collectors are fleeing the West. Everybody wants Chinese. Even the Anglosphere has reduced itself to imitating Chinese lunar coins.	[15:05]
nubbins`	there's 20 for 20, 50 for 50, 100 for 100	[15:05]
nubbins`	exchange your worthless paper for slightly-less-worthless metal!	[15:05]
badon	mircea_popescu: Beware big gold, you can lose a lot of money on it.	[15:05]
badon	nubbins`: It's all fiat.	[15:05]
nubbins`	badon i do know that chinese silver pandas are the cream	[15:05]
nubbins`	badon, yup	[15:06]
badon	nubbins`: Yeah, but they aren't all there is. The lunars are the original flagship series of the China mint. The pandas were minted for foreigners.	[15:06]
nubbins`	but i'd rather my $50 coin have a half-ounce of silver than not	[15:06]
Naphex	probably the only thing that has intrisic value is time :))	[15:06]
badon	nubbins`: You're too sophisticated for that kind of thinking.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	badon im not into metals anyway, but i'd definitely buy metal rather than you know, fashion, hype, whatever. "the sizzle"	[15:06]
nubbins`	badon, maybe so. i've got a handful of x-for-x coins, mostly just the nice ones	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	Naphex yes, time does have intrinsic value, but backwards.	[15:07]
badon	mircea_popescu: You're also too sophisticated for that kind of thinking (you're in bitcoin chans, afterall...)	[15:07]
nubbins`	here's my nicest canadian coin: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/pure-gold-coin-polar-bear-mintage-600-2013-prod1690011	[15:07]
assbot	Pure Gold Coin - Polar Bear - Mintage: 600 (2013) ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMIcZi )	[15:07]
Naphex	space might have some intrisic value as well	[15:07]
nubbins`	check the weight.	[15:07]
Naphex	but you have to hold it	[15:07]
Naphex	so that kinda ruins it	[15:07]
nubbins`	what, you don't have to hold time?	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	;;google a place for my stuff	[15:08]
gribble	George Carlin - A place for my stuff - YouTube: ; George Carlin - A Place For My Stuff - YouTube: ; A Place for My Stuff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` did you kick out violent times out of clocks by suggesting they space out, too ?	[15:08]
nubbins`	"don't crowd me, 4:19!"	[15:08]
nubbins`	"give me a minute!"	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:08]
nubbins`	the whole spacetime thing finally clicked with me like, two weeks ago, hey?	[15:09]
nubbins`	stumbled across a perfect analogy	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	"As we have learned from the experiences emanating from the Mt. Gox Bitcoin exchange collapse, the existence of a "block chain" does nothing to allow law enforcement, other government authorities or the public to identify the real identity of the parties to a digital currency transaction."	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	bwahaha. that's right, bitchez.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	"A requirement that all transactions go through regulated and transparent administrators subject to supervision by Australia authorities (rather than just the current block chain process);"	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	bwahahha	[15:10]
Naphex	:))	[15:11]
nubbins`	http://www.mint.ca/store/coins/1-oz.-fine-silver-coloured-coin-ndash-beaver-at-work-ndash-mintage-7500-2015-prod2210326#.VH24AGTF8Yc	[15:11]
assbot	1 oz. Fine Silver Coloured Coin - Beaver at Work - Mintage: 7,500 (2015) ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMJ3cn )	[15:11]
nubbins`	CMYK print on a coin	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` imo all this "tech" stuff is a waste of time. i might buy a computer today because i want to use it.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	i won't buy something high tech today that has no use, because guess what ? time flows against it.	[15:12]
nubbins`	time waits for no man, no machine	[15:12]
badon	My personal favorite recently-minted Chinese coins are these: https://www.coincompendium.com/w/index.php/CCT3564	[15:12]
badon	Mintage of 99	[15:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16872 @ 0.00035303 = 5.9563 BTC [-]	[15:13]
Naphex	soo.. does bitcoin - in the current form have intrinsic value? cute question	[15:13]
nubbins`	anyway. suppose you're walking at 5km/h, due north. all of your displacement is in the y direction. now suppose you head northwest; you're walking the same speed, but you're going slower in the y direction because some of your displacement is occurring in the x direction.	[15:13]
nubbins`	now imagine the y axis is time, and the x axis is space.	[15:14]
nubbins`	sitting where you are, all your displacement is on the y (time) axis	[15:14]
nubbins`	once you start moving through space, some of your displacement is now occurring on the x (space) axis	[15:14]
nubbins`	and even though your displacement through spacetime has not changed	[15:14]
badon	They get mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_sons_of_the_dragon	[15:14]
assbot	Nine sons of the dragon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdkNQA )	[15:14]
nubbins`	you're now moving slower through time because of your movement throught space	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	Naphex intrinsic to what ?	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what is this, relativity 101 ?	[15:15]
badon	nubbins`: That's time dilation.	[15:15]
nubbins`	indeed.	[15:15]
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nubbins`	nothing mind-blowing here	[15:15]
nubbins`	just thought it was a nice analogy :P	[15:15]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: well you can't use fiat	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	i can't ?	[15:16]
Naphex	what i'm trying to ask	[15:18]
Naphex	does the current form of the Bitcoin Blockchain have intrinsic value (without referencing its market value)	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	i can't believe half the fucking log is keyboards. you people are nuts you know that ?	[15:18]
badon	Naphex: no.	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	Naphex yes, but intrinsic to what. see, when i say "kim kardashian has intrinsic value" i mean specifically, the hole(s) in her ass.	[15:19]
Naphex	what about all that work and time wasted on building it up?	[15:19]
Naphex	and deriving it	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	when you say "intrinsic" what do you mean ?	[15:19]
badon	Man, the Canadian coins are not very impressive compared to the Chinese coins.	[15:19]
badon	They used to make some nice stuff.	[15:19]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: fundamental value	[15:19]
badon	I collected them for a while.	[15:19]
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mircea_popescu	uhm.	[15:20]
nubbins`	hole(s)	[15:20]
nubbins`	!up badon	[15:20]
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mircea_popescu	do you mean "value that would be present in any unverse which allows for bitcoin" ? or do you mean "value which would be present in this X thing whether it be bitcoin or not"	[15:20]
nubbins`	badon like i said, maybe a couple coins a year.	[15:20]
nubbins`	their tree canopy ones are okay	[15:20]
jurov	http://explo.yt/post/2014/12/02/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-November-2014-Statement	[15:21]
assbot	The Bitcoin Foundation November 2014 Statement - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMLLhT )	[15:21]
nubbins`	http://www.mint.ca/store/coins/1-oz.-fine-silver-coin-canadian-maple-canopy-spring-mintage-7500-2014-prod1920053	[15:21]
assbot	1 oz. Fine Silver Coin - Canadian Maple Canopy (Spring) - Mintage: 7,500 (2014) ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMLQ5s )	[15:21]
nubbins`	http://www.mint.ca/store/coins/1-oz.-fine-silver-coin-maple-canopy-autumn-allure-mintage-7500-2014-prod2090013#.VH28GWTF8Yc	[15:21]
assbot	1 oz. Fine Silver Coin - Maple Canopy: Autumn Allure - Mintage: 7,500 (2014) ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMLPy9 )	[15:21]
nubbins`	tbh the cmyk-printed coins don't look great up-close	[15:21]
nubbins`	they have some coins that are actually painted w/ enamel that are nicer	[15:22]
badon	nubbins`: They copied the Chinese enamel.	[15:22]
badon	nubbins`: China mastered enamel in ancient times - and I mean truly MASTERED it. I saw some enamel work that I mistook for being modern, but it was ancient.	[15:23]
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nubbins`	http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/1-oz.-fine-silver-coin-polar-bear-mintage-8500-2014-prod1730022	[15:23]
assbot	1 oz. Fine Silver Coin - Polar Bear - Mintage: 8,500 (2014) ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMMpvS )	[15:23]
badon	The first really nice enamel coins in modern China were in 2008, if I remember correctly.	[15:23]
nubbins`	i've been trying to find these coins forever, to no avail: http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/silver-crystal-zodiac-collection-2013-prod1840076#.VH28eGTF8Yc	[15:24]
assbot	Silver Crystal Zodiac Collection (2013) ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMMz6o )	[15:24]
badon	The started out by "colorizing" with really crapping printing techniques. People thought they were ugly, and didn't buy them. Today, the ugly ones are more valuable than the pretty ones because they're rarer.	[15:24]
nubbins`	specifically, looking for a Gemini	[15:24]
nubbins`	yeah the canadian mint did a series of Great Lakes coins where the lake bed was carved out of the coin, and filled with translucent blue enamel	[15:25]
nubbins`	neat idea, not particularly nice coins	[15:25]
nubbins`	http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/1-oz.-fine-silver-coins-the-great-lakes-5coin-subscription-mintage-10000-2014-prod1730037	[15:25]
assbot	1 oz. Fine Silver Coins - The Great Lakes 5-Coin Subscription - Mintage: 10,000 (2014) ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMN7JA )	[15:25]
badon	nubbins`: Collectors need something interesting. Mass-production commercialization isn't very interesting.	[15:26]
badon	Hopefully there will be some cool errors or something.	[15:26]
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nubbins`	this is why i collect casascius coins ;D	[15:26]
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nubbins`	and other bitcoin ephemera	[15:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25228 @ 0.00035303 = 8.9062 BTC [-]	[15:28]
badon	nubbins`: See here https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?topic=5411.msg35104#msg35104 and here https://www.livebusinesschat.com/smf/index.php?topic=5411.msg35112#msg35112 for impressive enamel work.	[15:28]
assbot	MCC LIST #182 - The pagoda lesson, goldfish, tactics, slowdown end, CC funding ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdnZfe )	[15:28]
assbot	MCC LIST #182 - The pagoda lesson, goldfish, tactics, slowdown end, CC funding ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdnYrG )	[15:28]
badon	IN that case, it's on a box, not a coin, but it's ridiculously intricate. Something like that in the West would cost a thousand bucks just for the box.	[15:28]
badon	They probably sold it for 50 cents in the 1980's, haha.	[15:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1100 @ 0.0011987 = 1.3186 BTC [-]	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	i imagine the time to stock up on chinese memorabilia was right before the great leap forward.	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	kinda late to the party today	[15:31]
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nubbins`	that's some nice enamel	[15:32]
nubbins`	i saw some sick enamelling when i was in korea too	[15:33]
nubbins`	a lot of it on pottery	[15:33]
badon	nubbins`: Oh yeah, the pottery enamel is famous.	[15:33]
nubbins`	there was this one town i visited, it's all anyone did	[15:34]
badon	Korea was part of China in ancient times, due to proximity, so it makes sense they would have some impressive enameling technology.	[15:34]
nubbins`	went there for a big pottery festival	[15:34]
nubbins`	spent so much goddamn money	[15:34]
nubbins`	like 2 months wages	[15:34]
nubbins`	https://www.google.ca/search?q=icheon+ceramics&tbm=isch	[15:36]
assbot	icheon ceramics - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1pMQn7G )	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hardphork! << i never applied that, no sympthoms. so no, not a fork at all.	[15:40]
badon	haha	[15:41]
badon	I love that stuff.	[15:41]
nubbins`	"you guys forked up big-time"	[15:41]
nubbins`	badon korean newspapers still use chinese characters for headlines etc	[15:41]
nubbins`	there's a couple hundred common ones that most koreans know	[15:41]
badon	nubbins`: Check this out, this is typical of a relatively unknown coin that can pop in value really quickly: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574935034&toolid=10001&campid=5336732290&customid=&icep_item=201226509197&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229466&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg	[15:42]
assbot	60th Anniversary 1985 Chinese Imperial Palace Museum Coin with Souvenir Card \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdr5zU )	[15:42]
badon	nubbins`: The silver version I sold for $1200. A few months later the specimen was back on the market, and it sold for $4'000!	[15:42]
badon	I thought it was a museum gift shop thing.	[15:42]
badon	I was wrong. The "museum" is actually the Emperor's palace, also known as "the forbidden city".	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	"Organised crime groups continue to make use of darknets to harbour trading in illicit commodities, including child exploitation material, illicit drugs and firearms, stolen credit card and identity data, and hacking techniques." << check it out, hacking techniques the illicit item ?	[15:43]
badon	A lot of people got that wrong too.	[15:43]
nubbins`	kowloon!	[15:43]
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badon	It has a mintage of 200 for the silver version, and only around 10 specimens are known to have survived so far. More will probably show up as time goes by, but $4000 price tag did not bring any new ones to the market, which is strong evidence most of them are either melted or permanently in someone's collection.	[15:44]
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nubbins`	occasionally you'll find people afraid to offer a rare coin for sale	[15:45]
badon	nubbins`: Wow, those Icheon ceramics are amazing. Check this one out: http://www.jstudentboard.com/reporter/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/JSR_Nov23_01_CERAMICS1.jpg	[15:45]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[15:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1pMT7C6 )	[15:45]
nubbins`	for fear it won't fetch going rates	[15:45]
badon	It's cameo.	[15:45]
badon	nubbins`: Right, especially in auctions.	[15:45]
nubbins`	yup. the town's full of that stuff.	[15:45]
nubbins`	you should see the mantles in my mother's house	[15:45]
nubbins`	weighted down with shit like that	[15:45]
badon	nubbins`: In 500 years - heck, in 80 years, most of that stuff will be broken. The surviving specimens will be the proverbial "Ming vaaaaz".	[15:46]
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badon	I compared what Europe was producing in the 11th century with what China was producing, and it's pathetic. You have to wonder if Europeans collectively decided to be retarded for a thousand years.	[15:47]
badon	They don't call it a dark age for nothing.	[15:47]
badon	Check out the Byzantine enamel, versus the Chinese enamel photos --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloisonn%C3%A9	[15:48]
assbot	Cloisonné - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1zdszdp )	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	"europeans" didn't exist in 1000.	[15:48]
badon	All the cool enameled art in that article is from the East. All the Crayola kiddie enamel is from Europe, haha.	[15:48]
nubbins`	i saw some cool byzantine shit in germany	[15:51]
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nubbins`	!up badon	[15:51]
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nubbins`	;;help eregister	[15:51]
gribble	(eregister ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)	[15:51]
nubbins`	^	[15:51]
nubbins`	;;more	[15:52]
gribble	expire in 10 minutes.	[15:52]
badon	;;help register	[15:52]
gribble	(register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[15:52]
nubbins`	eventually someone's not going to notice you were -v'd :P	[15:52]
badon	Yeah.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	http://jim.com/cocaine.jpg << america always had ritalin.	[15:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1pMVzsi )	[15:54]
nubbins`	shut your kid up now! only $3.50ea!	[15:58]
badon	;;help register	[15:59]
gribble	(register ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[15:59]
badon	Ah, there we go. I had gribble on ignore.	[15:59]
badon	That's why I wasn't getting anything.	[15:59]
badon	;;help eregister	[15:59]
gribble	(eregister ) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key with . is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	you can do this in pm with it too.	[16:00]
badon	Yes, I'm doing that now.	[16:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://jim.com/schools.htm	[16:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1pN0ute )	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	this is actually not bad.	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	" The public schools are intended to create complacent "good citizens"—not independent thinkers—because political leaders do not like boat-rockers who question things too closely. They prefer citizens who pay their taxes on time and leave them alone to chart the course of the nation. The growth in government power since the advent of public schools is hard to ignore."	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	the two do kind-of match.	[16:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 242 @ 0.0065 = 1.573 BTC [-] {2}	[16:25]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 6 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/ Odds: 81(Y):19(N) by coin, 74(Y):26(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.42439125 BTC. Current weight: 60,795.	[16:26]
[]bot	Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 34(Y):66(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.43892981 BTC. Current weight: 7,222.	[16:26]
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mircea_popescu	adlai: uhoh, site affinity for reddit.com is 51.2x! << i see slashdot.org 151.7x wired.com 83.3x zerohedge.com 81.3x dailydot.com 52.7x boingboing.net 51.7x	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	don't tell me it's giving different numbers to diff people.	[16:41]
adlai	something something river twice?	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	oh	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	damn that's a fast river then.	[16:42]
*	adlai sees, right now, http://i.imgur.com/UyrDh8M.png	[16:42]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1pN99fp )	[16:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39372 @ 0.00033991 = 13.3829 BTC [-]	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	o look it has a "more" page. nm me.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	86 wikipedia.org	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	106 somethingawful.com kinda interesting this, i wonder how entirely baseless it actually is.	[16:45]
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gribble	Error: "bc,tslb" is not a valid command.	[16:55]
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mircea_popescu	!up Xuthus	[16:55]
-assbot-	You voiced Xuthus for 30 minutes.	[16:55]
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adlai	note that reddit binding affinity has risen 0.4x during this riverflow. assuming linear growth at the current rate, qntra will devolve into reddit on or around noon on march 18th 2015. RemindMe! sell S.QNTR	[16:57]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1.23372958 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.65812083 BTC. Current weight: 60,770.	[17:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: this is the deal breaker for me. i actually run the monitors at about 50% gamma. << i did get it down to 30% or so. would've liked even less - while retaining contrast. simply to avoid... baking.	[17:04]
asciilifeform	there's no fucking usable definition of intelligence << there are, however, accurate and usable definitions of... stupidity.	[17:06]
asciilifeform	sorta how culinary science is plagued by disputes of taste but toxicology is a field.	[17:07]
asciilifeform	de gustibus non est disputandum but poison is poison.	[17:08]
asciilifeform	mactardism is a very visual field. it doesn't account much for function << complicated. apple corp. is still running on fumes from a gigantic tank of back-when-everything-else-was-a-joke in a number of palpable ways. see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132	[12:09]
assbot	Loper OS » Non-Apple’s Mistake ... ( http://bit.ly/1pNhFLo )	[12:09]
mircea_popescu	i can see that	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	problem is any set of stupidity definitions are incomplete	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	and "culinary science" is the sort of nonsense you'd expect ou tof english speakers. otherwise l'arte culinaire isdoing fine	[12:10]
asciilifeform	incomplete - sure. it's more a set of engineering formulae than a total philosophy.	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	ya	[12:11]
asciilifeform	engineer may not know or give a fuck how magnetism is made of spins, but will use magnet all the same to good effect	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	nonmagnet	[12:11]
asciilifeform	aha.	[12:11]
adlai	... and why is there no usable definition for intelligence?	[12:11]
adlai	"ability of a brain/computer to model, predict, etc external processes"	[12:12]
adlai	it's far from perfect, but it's a start	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	it's not.	[12:12]
mats_cd03	lol	[12:13]
asciilifeform	this is a subject that i have a little personal connection with. at one point, i spent almost two years of spare time working on what turned out to be 'fried ice'	[12:13]
asciilifeform	that is, a mechanized intelligence test that the victim 'can't train for'	[12:13]
asciilifeform	'can't train' as in, you could, idea being, take it every morning, and get a useful result re: your mental state on that day	[12:13]
asciilifeform	like strength test	[12:14]
asciilifeform	for this to work, the problems on the test were to have been mechanically-generated but sufficiently varied that you will never see the same 'kind' particularly often	[12:14]
asciilifeform	this was a fool's errand, but in the process, i ended up lifting the lid on an entire 'secret' field of psychometry	[12:15]
asciilifeform	turned out, it was still alive, just carefully non-public	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	lmao this is the most idiotic thing i ever heard	[12:15]
asciilifeform	they won't cross-publish to 'big, mainstream' journals. have own ghetto.	[12:15]
mircea_popescu	wait, an unlearnable test of intelligence ?	[12:15]
asciilifeform	naturally the very concept of sitting down and solving a picture puzzle is learnable. this was clear to me. but i wanted a kind of 'carnot engine limit' of unlearnability.	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	i can see the newspaper titles	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	"ten youths from downtown accidentally construct the godmachine	[12:16]
asciilifeform	wanted to see where the hard limit is.	[12:16]
mircea_popescu	anything useful ? other than socially i mezn	[12:17]
asciilifeform	was in the process of revealing what was useful.	[12:17]
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asciilifeform	found that intelligence test design ('psychometry') was still a going concern	[12:17]
asciilifeform	with elaborate gentlemen's agreements among the participants to keep the field out of the line of fire	[12:18]
asciilifeform	avoid getting 'watsoned'	[12:18]
asciilifeform	incidentally, watson's 'public goatfuck' statement is not the least bit controversial among the actual psychometrics folks.	[12:18]
adlai	(how do "they" define intelligence?)	[12:18]
mircea_popescu	i don't see it's controversial at all.	[12:18]
adlai	or rather, what attributes do they usually measure?	[12:19]
asciilifeform	they don't define it, normally. but they deduced a statistical item, called 'G', which is the overall correlation between the various tests in use	[12:19]
asciilifeform	as well as other factors (reaction time, even)	[12:19]
*	mircea_popescu briefly participated in some "transdisciplinary" efforts many moons ago	[12:20]
asciilifeform	see eysenck's works for intro to subject.	[12:20]
asciilifeform	http://www.intelltheory.com/eysenck.shtml	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	but honestly while there are intelligent people trying, i think it's a snipe hunt.	[12:20]
assbot	Human Intelligence: H. J. Eysenck ... ( http://bit.ly/1pNlZu2 )	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as "intelligence".	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	not anymore than there's "beauty"	[12:20]
asciilifeform	no such thing as magnetism.	[12:20]
mircea_popescu	perhaps, but magnetism is at least measurable.	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	or i should say	[12:21]
adlai	there may not be any such thing as "beauty", but "sexual selection" exists	[12:21]
asciilifeform	this is sorta like saying 'there is no such thing as strength of materials'	[12:21]
asciilifeform	tell that to an architect	[12:21]
adlai	ie, at any one point in time, for a given population, you can measure "beauty"	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	perhaps, but the label of magnetism is at least applied on some sort of interaction that yields a force.	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	adlai that sexual selection exists is very poor grounding to claim beauty.	[12:21]
mircea_popescu	and in particular attempts to define intelligence in terms of statistical fitting and survivability yield monsters	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	(ie, stuff nobody would intuitively accept as intelligence)	[12:22]
asciilifeform	the serious folks carefully avoid chasing definitions.	[12:22]
adlai	that's because they're using intuition instead of intelligence	[12:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform right, because a field without a definition can exist.	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	anyway. i think it's pseudoscience, the whole lot of it.	[12:23]
adlai	lol right there in Eysenck's bio... "Definition of Intelligence"	[12:23]
asciilifeform	about as much as physiology is a pseudoscience	[12:23]
asciilifeform	yes, meat - varies.	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	belongs as a subset obscure philosophy, right there with aesthetics.	[12:24]
asciilifeform	but there are underlying principles.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	yes. there are. you know what they are ?	[12:24]
asciilifeform	and the immediate engineering applications of being able to distinguish folks into rough equivalence classes of stupidity by purely mechanical means - are there.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	whatever you want them to be.	[12:24]
mircea_popescu	a pseudoscience isn't that endeavour lcking principles,	[12:25]
adlai	chasing "intelligence" might be pseudoscience but you can get relevant results by studying well-defined attributes (eg reaction time)	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	it's that endeavour where anything can be a principle.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	adlai ah, this isn't an argument against such stuff. sure, reaction time is even a good proxy for things you may care about,	[12:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#870269	[12:25]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2014 03:24:29; asciilifeform: Adlai: if i recall, hypothesis involves impedance matching - same reason folks with damaged myelin sheaths lose theirs.	[12:25]
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asciilifeform	there's your principle.	[12:25]
mircea_popescu	wait, wut ?	[12:26]
asciilifeform	that's my personal hypothesis, incidentally. handily predictive of the reaction time correlation.	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	this is a principle of what ? intelligence ?	[12:26]
asciilifeform	central nervous system impedance matching.	[12:26]
asciilifeform	yes.	[12:26]
mircea_popescu	so the best way to be intelligent is doing speedballs ?	[12:26]
asciilifeform	probably measurable via purely physical means if we knew what to look for (ask a network engineer how he measures echos on lines)	[12:27]
asciilifeform	how do you impedence-match neurons with a pill ?	[12:27]
mircea_popescu	well they all fire lol	[12:27]
asciilifeform	that's simply 'upping the clock'	[12:27]
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mircea_popescu	right.	[12:27]
asciilifeform	the madness - echos, 'crosstalk'	[12:27]
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mircea_popescu	it's beautifully simple,	[12:28]
mircea_popescu	but i don't see anything in it past that.	[12:28]
asciilifeform	sorta 'inverse alzheimer's'	[12:28]
asciilifeform	an axon is a... transmission line.	[12:29]
asciilifeform	quite like coaxial cable.	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[12:29]
mircea_popescu	that part's uncontroversial.	[12:29]
asciilifeform	aha	[12:29]
adlai	slight tangent (from reading about impedance) - why on earth are complex numbers introduced as a+bi when (magnitude,phase) is an infinitely more INTELLIGENT way of understanding them?	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	problem is i can build a machine with zero crosstalk and i won't have built an ai.	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	adlai because they're not introduced by intelligent people./	[12:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: recall my brick lisp machine?	[12:30]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[12:30]
asciilifeform	(for n00bs: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 )	[12:30]
assbot	Loper OS » The Simplest Lisp Machine ... ( http://bit.ly/1FJMqD2 )	[12:30]
asciilifeform	essentially: ingredients necessary but not sufficient.	[12:31]
adlai	aha, bricklisp proves that !stupid ≠ intelligent	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	so then it's not a definition.	[12:31]
asciilifeform	we are roughly in the position of the ancients who tried to explain why certain objects are flammable while others - not	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	as i said, all sorts of heuristics can be useful. i tend to not pursue relations with the intellectually slow, which i often judge in seconds on simple cues such as eye movement.	[12:32]
adlai	bricklisp simply doesn't detract from the intelligence of whoever is using it, like "rubber duck debugging"	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, i don't call this a science.	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	i call it being an asshole.	[12:32]
asciilifeform	anyway - who wants to turn it into a science, i just threw in a freebie - physically testable hypothesis.	[12:32]
adlai	eye movement?	[12:32]
asciilifeform	no	[12:33]
asciilifeform	adlai: see thread from ten minutes or so ago.	[12:33]
*	adlai is wondering how mircea_popescu judges intelligence based on eye movement... it seems very dependant upon the setting	[12:33]
mircea_popescu	same way carnies pick out their marks, it's nothing novel.	[12:34]
adlai	maybe a bit more than ten minutes	[12:34]
asciilifeform	we don't have a 'science of intelligence' any more than medicine has a 'science of health'	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	^	[12:34]
asciilifeform	we do have some sense of disease. and of - stupidity.	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	moreover, trying to pursue a "science of health" is the hallmark of pseudoscientific cockery.	[12:35]
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asciilifeform	but one can see how a medic may be tempted	[12:35]
asciilifeform	to come up with an 'average carcass' where no known dysfunction is present	[12:35]
adlai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#870297 < this seems intuitive to me, but I guess that backs up my intuition	[12:35]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2014 03:29:22; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, just watch people respond to stimuli.	[12:35]
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adlai	also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2014#821631	[12:36]
assbot	Logged on 07-09-2014 17:02:37; mircea_popescu: something like that. so one night while in here, i see movement in the corner of my eye	[12:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#870303 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#870307	[12:36]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2014 03:30:52; asciilifeform: how come we never hear anyone arguing that there is no such thing as 'strength'	[12:36]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2014 03:31:14; asciilifeform: and that a circus weight-lifter isn't the least bit strong, because perhaps my arse muscle is stronger yet than his biceps	[12:36]
asciilifeform	thank you assbot, saving my leaf springs the wear!	[12:37]
mircea_popescu	:)	[12:37]
nubbins`	!up badon	[12:39]
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TomServo	Hey nubbins`, didja see my PM?	[12:40]
nubbins`	ah yes, ty, i may have it covered	[12:41]
nubbins`	should know for sure in the next couple days	[12:41]
TomServo	Cool.	[12:41]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "X.EUR contract monthly renewal canceled in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/867/ Odds: 29(Y):71(N) by coin, 71(Y):29(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.51 BTC. Current weight: 11,329.	[12:46]
TomServo	;;bc,stats	[12:56]
gribble	Current Blocks: 332593 \| Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 \| Next Difficulty In: 46 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 49 minutes, and 47 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 40034321698.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: -0.65933	[12:56]
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kakobrekla	>Global Advisors, a firm based in Jersey that manages the first regulated bitcoin fund, has been served notice by its bank, HSBC.	[13:10]
kakobrekla	lolk	[13:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91700 @ 0.0003592 = 32.9386 BTC [+] {3}	[13:24]
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jurov	what's with the submissions to qntra containing lengthy documents verbatim?	[13:49]
jurov	they do count into s.qntr shares?	[13:49]
punkman	http://thebookseller.com/news/e-book-prices-may-rise-vat-law-kicks	[13:58]
assbot	E-book prices may rise as VAT law kicks in \| The Bookseller ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIxz5a )	[13:58]
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adlai	!s mpex socket	[14:15]
assbot	18 results for 'mpex socket' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mpex+socket	[14:15]
adlai	aha, shouldn't http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772915 be mentioned in the FAQ?	[14:16]
assbot	Logged on 27-07-2014 19:56:00; mircea_popescu: kuzetsa ah i think you gotta pay kako for access to that ?	[14:16]
artifexd	Are there any plans for new profit centers in MPIF?	[14:18]
adlai	https://twitter.com/mpex1 also seems a little dead. tsk tsk, need to clean up the dead links!	[14:18]
assbot	MPEx (@MPEx1) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1tIBTBr )	[14:18]
adlai	artifexd: are you planning to offer any?	[14:18]
artifexd	If I had any to offer, yes. Alas, no.	[14:19]
kakobrekla	adlai http://q.b-a.link/?data=trades&since=1411033765 or http://q.b-a.link/?data=trades&since_id=12345	[14:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1tICjHZ )	[14:20]
artifexd	I'm just trying to make a decision to sell what I have, buy more, or wait some more.	[14:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1tICmmV )	[14:20]
artifexd	And there hasn't been much talk of MPIF lately. I'm in an information vacuum, so to speak.	[14:21]
adlai	the impression I get from lurking around here is that there aren't concrete plans for another profit center, but if one arose, it would be welcomed	[14:21]
mike_c	jurov, you still market making mpif? it seems the bids are below bounds (which I thought was +- 5%).	[14:23]
jurov	ohmy	[14:23]
jurov	and nobody's selling?	[14:24]
mike_c	well, selling would be bad right now.	[14:24]
mike_c	you'd be selling a bitcoin for 0.9 btc.	[14:24]
adlai	kakobrekla: thx	[14:24]
kakobrekla	yw	[14:25]
jurov	okay it's in queue right after vulpes' patches	[14:25]
adlai	would've been nicer with &symbol= and push notifications and a unicorn pony but i'll settle for this :)	[14:26]
jurov	!mpif	[14:27]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021745 B (Total: 475.53 B). Delta: 0.52 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]	[14:27]
kakobrekla	yeah a 0mq would be nice	[14:27]
adlai	kakobrekla: what's type:11 ?	[14:27]
jurov	oh and i just came around davout's proposal, gonna make some noise around it	[14:27]
nubbins`	jurov iirc (and i could be wrong), qntra pays the way dickens' publisher paid	[14:27]
adlai	nubbins`: yes, but it could ignore text within blockquote tags	[14:28]
nubbins`	should, even.	[14:28]
nubbins`	otherwise your article quality's going down the shitter	[14:28]
kakobrekla	adlai http://dpaste.com/11MMEJA.txt	[14:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1yIkSxp )	[14:29]
adlai	thx²	[14:29]
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jurov	davout: see comment on yer blog	[14:38]
xanthyos	coinbase makes it too easy! i thought they'd at least slow me down with a 2 factor phone auth	[14:38]
xanthyos	0.25925176 BTC will arrive in your My Wallet account on Monday Dec 8, 2014.	[14:39]
davout	jurov: oy	[14:39]
davout	what exactly are you disagreeing with?	[14:40]
jurov	that X.EUR is to disappear and reappear at any indeterminate time	[14:41]
davout	who said anything about indeterminate ?	[14:41]
jurov	and there's nothing in STATJSON output to indicate it	[14:41]
jurov	you don't like the 15th 12:00 GMT, you want to change it, no?	[14:42]
jurov	if it changes to other fixed time, i'm okay with it	[14:42]
davout	it's not that i dislike it, it's just that i point out that it creates a hard deadline for everyone	[14:42]
jurov	and why's that a problem? french ppl u no have hard deadlines?	[14:43]
davout	which creates a trading gap unless everyone is perfectly synchronized	[14:43]
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jurov	and what exactly was your proposal?	[14:44]
xanthyos	life's more exciting with a coinbase progress bar in one of my browser tabs	[14:44]
xanthyos	!up bagels7	[14:44]
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davout	xanthyos getting it !up, that's good news	[14:44]
davout	jurov: either de-automate the first step	[14:44]
xanthyos	davout: i'm not supposed to talk about that anymore. started to annoy ppl	[14:44]
davout	or do continuous trading	[14:44]
jurov	you see - i'm reeling about the first one	[14:45]
jurov	continuos trading without balaces mysteriously on/off would the best solution in my view	[14:46]
davout	what you're reeling about is coinbr's inability to cleanly detect the gap, whether that's for mpex or coinbr to solve is another question	[14:46]
jurov	i wrote clearly how i intend to solve it. x.eur would just not trade in interval when such behavior is expected.	[14:46]
davout	yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho	[14:46]
davout	kinda non optimal	[14:47]
jurov	well.. it's up to mircea. i doubt he ever does anything about this stateless, eventually-consistent wankfest of his.	[14:51]
jurov	coinbr has state machine to compensate for it complicated enough already	[14:52]
davout	well, time will tell	[14:52]
davout	yea i hear you	[14:52]
davout	bbl	[14:52]
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jurov	mircea_popescu: EVERY BALANCE CHANGE ON MPEX SHOULD HAVE A REASON NAMED IN JSON/JSONSTAT OUTPUT. FULL STOP.	[14:57]
jurov	okay, now i have this off my mind	[14:57]
nubbins`	you're just using it wrong ;p	[15:04]
asciilifeform	e-book prices << price of w4r3z still == 0. nyooz at 11!11!	[15:06]
nubbins`	nyooz @ ~~	[15:09]
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jurov	slight tangent (from reading about impedance) - why on earth are complex numbers introduced as a+bi << easy addition and multiplication?	[15:23]
jurov	http://bitbet.us/bet/867/ haha another reason for x.eur to move to continuous trading, just to screw with this	[15:27]
assbot	BitBet - X.EUR contract monthly renewal canceled in 2014 :: 0.44 B (29%) on Yes, 1.07 B (71%) on No \| closing in 3 weeks 3 days \| weight: 11`277 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/11Plswz )	[15:27]
xanthyos	you can think of all numbers as having +bi but if b = 0 it doesn't matter	[15:27]
jurov	yes, and?	[15:28]
jurov	1.5e(ipi) + e(1.5ipi) = ?	[15:30]
jurov	hafta convert them to a+bi anyway	[15:30]
jurov	you're just using it wrong ;p << lol what?	[15:33]
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xanthyos	waht's up with the ddos bot?	[15:33]
xanthyos	is that why my pms sometimes look invisible or delayed	[15:33]
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kakobrekla	your bnc is getting ddosed prolly	[15:35]
jurov	pms should have same latency as all irc, no?	[15:35]
kakobrekla	yea	[15:35]
mike_c	qntra authors: coinbase is an exchange now. http://blog.coinbase.com/post/104112477642/usd-wallets-on-coinbase	[15:36]
assbot	The Coinbase Blog — USD Wallets on Coinbase ... ( http://bit.ly/11Pnwor )	[15:36]
nubbins`	i kid	[15:37]
mike_c	this is too funny. scamfunding sites now offer insurance! http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/01/indiegogo-is-testing-optional-insurance-fees-for-crowdfunded-products/	[15:39]
assbot	Indiegogo Is Testing Optional Insurance Fees For Crowdfunded Products \| TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/11PolNQ )	[15:39]
xanthyos	it's a shell so i have no idea if it's being ddosed	[15:41]
kakobrekla	adlai you want sql dump to bootstrap?	[15:42]
jurov	xanthyos if ssh doen't have noticeable lag it should not be ddos	[15:43]
kakobrekla	or you know, just get a free cloak	[15:44]
nubbins`	maybe i was being ddosed yesterday when my netflix stream quality was slightly reduced	[15:44]
nubbins`	XD	[15:44]
xanthyos	if i connected from my home ip i'd cloak. i don't notice a lag at all from the ssh session	[15:44]
kakobrekla	dear ddoser, please add more bots as it is not clear if you are still ddosing or not	[15:45]
xanthyos	but the pm with gribble took a while to come back	[15:45]
xanthyos	maybe gribble's being ddosed	[15:45]
xanthyos	heh	[15:45]
xanthyos	better to know it's a ddos to get angry about than to have uncertainty and be unable to diagnose the problem	[15:46]
kakobrekla	get a cloak and you will know its not	[15:46]
jurov	http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/03/technology/once-celebrated-in-russia-programmer-pavel-durov-chooses-exile.html?ref=technology&_r=1 << i'd like to see talk between him and asciilifeform :)	[15:46]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/11PqDN6 )	[15:46]
xanthyos	at a time i thought all nickserv-idented nicks were cloaked	[15:47]
xanthyos	but maybe that was a different network	[15:47]
xanthyos	cloaked or not, silenceisdefeat.com probably gets hit all the time, but it's free and reliable enough	[15:51]
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asciilifeform	durov << devoted cocksucker of u.s. state dept., disgraceful shill.	[15:58]
kakobrekla	lol what he do?	[16:03]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: read the linked piece, see if you can decide for yourself	[16:04]
jurov	he dared to tweet “67 years ago Stalin defended from Hitler his right to suppress Soviet people.”	[16:05]
jurov	us state dept aparently pays handsomely for such tweets	[16:05]
jurov	looks like it can be opened from news.ycombinator.com without the paywall	[16:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98350 @ 0.00036048 = 35.4532 BTC [+] {3}	[16:36]
ben_vulpes	dang did you guys really crap out over 1000 lines while i was sleeping?	[16:37]
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jurov	http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << ben_vulpes there, another bug fixed	[17:03]
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jurov	!mpif	[17:06]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021745 B (Total: 475.53 B). Delta: 0.52 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]	[17:06]
jurov	;;calc 0.00021745*1.01	[17:07]
gribble	0.0002196245	[17:07]
jurov	mike_c it's actually 1% and i'm outside that	[17:08]
mike_c	but what about the low side?	[17:08]
mike_c	or am i confused and you don't offer liquidity for sellers?	[17:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: i'd pay fiddy bucks for one, and that's generous. << Nobel prize is gold so you can sell it at one of those cash for gold store fronts in the ghetto	[17:09]
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mike_c	oh, nevermind. those are minimums. you can't be closer than that, but have no responsibility to be particularly close?	[17:10]
BingoBoingo	;;ident	[17:10]
gribble	Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None	[17:10]
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jurov	mike_c: no responsibility.. but looking on it, i prolly should actually buy some to prop it up	[17:13]
jurov	on another look... wtf?	[17:14]
jurov	nm i was looking on another mpsic	[17:15]
jurov	;;calc 0.00021745/1.01	[17:16]
gribble	0.000215297029703	[17:16]
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mike_c	my estimate seems a bit high at the moment. i gotta do some digging into why. I would use the october statement as a closer NAV right now.	[17:29]
mike_c	;;calc 0.00021638/1.01	[17:29]
gribble	0.000214237623762	[17:29]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 3.37 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/ Odds: 87(Y):13(N) by coin, 81(Y):19(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.46240824 BTC. Current weight: 60,552.	[17:31]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i'd just donate it to germany	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	they do count into s.qntr shares? << nah	[17:37]
BingoBoingo	Well, they aren't getting "theirs" anyway so might as well for the charity of it.	[17:37]
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mircea_popescu	Are there any plans for new profit centers in MPIF? << yes. got an idea ?	[17:39]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/mpex1 also seems a little dead. tsk tsk, need to clean up the dead links! <<< yeah i guess so.	[17:39]
assbot	MPEx (@MPEx1) \| Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1wlVdvg )	[17:39]
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mircea_popescu	adlai> nubbins`: yes, but it could ignore text within blockquote tags << it does actually.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	jurov oh right, totally forgot about that angle.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	[...] your My Wallet account [...] << logic.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	you don't like the 15th 12:00 GMT, you want to change it, no? << nah he just wants a shorter break. than ONE WEEK. which he gets.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	won't be shorter than a few hours conceivably.	[17:44]
jurov	we misunderstood each other at first	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho << it's nonsense, what exactly is a future that has no future date ?	[17:45]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c> this is too funny. scamfunding sites now offer insurance! << so did usagi.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	generally, idiots revel in offering an idiotarian version of mainstream concepts. like, the usg right ? ALSO OFFERS INSURANCE.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	ello :)	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	dear ddoser, please add more bots as it is not clear if you are still ddosing or not <<< yeah this srsly. i was half considering replacing the voice model with a ddos model, but srsly, you gotta provide better servcice for free if you wanna be part of infrastructure here!	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	looks like it can be opened from news.ycombinator.com without the paywall << see ? CLEARLY propaganda piece.	[17:49]
BingoBoingo	Indictment: http://qntra.net/2014/12/changetip-raises-3-5-million-lead-by-pantera-capital/	[17:49]
assbot	ChangeTip Raises $3.5 Million Lead by Pantera Capital \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vefwEe )	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	dang did you guys really crap out over 1000 lines while i was sleeping? << we didn't crap them bish. now eat up!	[17:50]
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ben_vulpes	WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE	[17:50]
[]bot	Bet placed: 11 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 75(Y):25(N) by coin, 42(Y):58(N) by weight. Total bet: 22.43892981 BTC. Current weight: 7,089.	[17:51]
ben_vulpes	huh rly?	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	oh, nevermind. those are minimums. you can't be closer than that, but have no responsibility to be particularly close? << well not stated as obligations, but generally it's his job to get close.	[17:51]
ben_vulpes	at this low weight?	[17:51]
ben_vulpes	;;diff	[17:51]
gribble	4.03000303278914E10	[17:51]
ben_vulpes	;;estimate	[17:51]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 40070721940.0 based on data since last change \| 40835307545.6 based on data for last three days	[17:51]
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mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[17:52]
gribble	Current Blocks: 332625 \| Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 \| Next Difficulty In: 14 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 2 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 40070721940.0 \| Estimated Percent Change: -0.569	[17:52]
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mircea_popescu	^	[17:52]
mats_cd03	;;ticker	[17:52]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 380.57, Best ask: 380.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.13000, Last trade: 380.68, 24 hour volume: 6448.20538594, 24 hour low: 375.23, 24 hour high: 382.86, 24 hour vwap: 379.491514355	[17:52]
ben_vulpes	ah	[17:52]
ben_vulpes	wow diff to drop	[17:53]
ben_vulpes	no shit.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	yeah srsly.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	is it the first time since like 2012 ?	[17:53]
ben_vulpes	which would be first time in the asic history?	[17:53]
ben_vulpes	asic period*	[17:53]
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ben_vulpes	;;google first bitcoin asic	[17:54]
gribble	Mining - Bitcoin: ; CoinTerra Opens Pre-Orders for First 16nm Bitcoin ASIC - CoinDesk: ; CoinTerra™ announces the world's first 16nm ASIC based Bitcoin ...:	[17:54]
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mircea_popescu	pretty much yes.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	the results of that market becoming "usgized", which is to say, they stopped selling to the general public.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	competition -> dead.	[17:56]
ben_vulpes	why would the general public buy asics?	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	it's funny how the free market naturally evolves towards a corner to wedge itself in.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	i have nfi.	[17:56]
ben_vulpes	stability zones on the manifold...	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/871/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall-in-2014/#c3387	[17:57]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014 :: 16.87 B (75%) on Yes, 5.56 B (25%) on No \| closing in 2 weeks 3 hours \| weight: 7`086 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1wm0LWu )	[17:57]
ben_vulpes	+nubbins`:i've got some neat physical bitcoins, some strange bullion pieces, etc << don't forget newspapers lol	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	#3387: Anonymous 11-07-14 at 17:54	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	What kind of retard created this bet? Closing in 5 months?? why??? a bunch of people are just going to bet on Yes whenever they see difficulty is going to be down during the year, what's the point of this bet??	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	bitbet, as per usual.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	"oh, people know teh market"	[17:58]
mike_c	don't tap on the fish tank.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:59]
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mircea_popescu	see ? 1k lines not so painful.	[17:59]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 2.49 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 59.42962981 BTC. Current weight: 7,083.	[18:06]
[]bot	Bet placed: 4.4999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 59.42962981 BTC. Current weight: 7,083.	[18:06]
[]bot	Bet placed: 20 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 59.42962981 BTC. Current weight: 7,083.	[18:06]
[]bot	Bet placed: 10.0008 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 59.42962981 BTC. Current weight: 7,083.	[18:06]
kakobrekla	what the f	[18:06]
mike_c	hehe	[18:06]
leen_	need to speak to mircea_popescu	[18:07]
mike_c	only a few blocks left til it resolves	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	shoot	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	kik feeding frenzy	[18:07]
leen_	hi	[18:07]
leen_	there is a problem with a bet	[18:07]
leen_	ill send a link	[18:07]
leen_	http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/bitcoin-to-drop-under-250-before-2015/	[18:07]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $250 before 2015 :: 1.73 B (15%) on Yes, 9.79 B (85%) on No \| closing in 3 weeks 2 hours \| weight: 92`554 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1wm4weF )	[18:07]
leen_	i needed to contact you here someone said to me in mail	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	go ahead.	[18:08]
leen_	u see that bet?	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	yes	[18:08]
leen_	first 2 bets are refunded	[18:08]
leen_	no problem at first sight	[18:08]
leen_	BUT	[18:08]
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leen_	THE CALCULATOR IS WRONG	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	they are ?	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	what are you talking about ?	[18:09]
leen_	ITS WRITTEN IN THE STATEMENT	[18:09]
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mircea_popescu	listen, make complete sentences, i can't follow what you're saying.	[18:09]
leen_	Bitcoin to drop under $250 before 2015 The price of one Bitcoin in USD will drop below $250 before January 2015 as per Bitstamp . If the difference between a given "Yes" bet time and the bet's closing time is less than one week, such bets will be refunded minus fee. First two "Yes" bets are excluded from this rule.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	okay.	[18:09]
leen_	so i made a bet placing a winning BTC bet on: Yes pays: 4.39046755 BTC No pays: 1.14220213 BTC after fees, at current weight and assuming no one else bets	[18:10]
leen_	which is not true in this case	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	okay ?	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	how not ?	[18:10]
leen_	if the first 2 bets get efunded	[18:10]
leen_	then on a no bet i dont get their earnings	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	you're misreading it'd seem. what the bet says is that the first two yes bets never get refunded	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	and ulterior bets might.	[18:10]
leen_	but the calculator uses them to calculate the profit of the no bet	[18:10]
leen_	what does it mean?	[18:11]
mike_c	the point leen_, is to avoid late bettors who try to bet when the outcome is nearly certain	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	like it's happening right now on the difficulty bet.	[18:11]
BingoBoingo	The odds move anyway, the calculator is just to be used as a rough guideline.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	and it's a moot point in any case, the 30th was 4 days ago.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	price isn't going under 250 anytime soon, so.	[18:11]
mike_c	(and which is an integral part of bitbet)	[18:11]
leen_	so they dont get refunded?	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	doesn't seem too likely atm.	[18:12]
leen_	and if nobody else bets i get the money stated in the calculator?	[18:12]
leen_	i know that will not happen but just as an example	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	i guess so.	[18:12]
leen_	i guess so or you know it for sure?	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	well i don't know the future for sure, as it happens. just kinda close.	[18:12]
leen_	and if i win the bet	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	but what the bet says is that if bitcoin goes under 250 tomorrow, all yes bets but the first two wil be refunded.	[18:13]
leen_	if i place a bet on no now and pric doesnt go under 250 i win the amount stated at th calculator if noobne else bets?	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	right.	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	kinda impossible for that clause to affect you at all if price doesn't go under 250.	[18:14]
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mircea_popescu	and if it does, no lost anyway, it's just a matter of how the yes pot is split up.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	that was weird.	[18:14]
artifexd	mircea_popescu: Nope. No ideas. Just asking.	[18:14]
[]bot	Bet placed: 4.99979999 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 85(Y):15(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.46220824 BTC. Current weight: 60,523.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	yeah, turns out running a safe investment fund in btc is harder than in usd. who'd have thunk it!	[18:15]
artifexd	At least it hasn't lost 90% of its value	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i suppose in all fairness the byzantino-rabinical approach to the written text as deployed for the needs of bitbet is a special kind of hell for all esl speakers.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	artifexd there is that.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	what is it under i don't even recall, like a % ?	[18:16]
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artifexd	I believe it is right around where it started. No up. No down. Or at least not much.	[18:16]
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mircea_popescu	aha.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	something tells me this is going to be the biggest problem of bitcoin finance. to earn a living as a rentier you'll have to own a shitton of 'em.	[18:17]
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nubbins`	ben_vulpes yes, newspapers too 8)	[18:21]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=880599	[18:21]
assbot	"Mazuma" 8 inch Physical Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1wm9Tdz )	[18:21]
nubbins`	^ more artisans finding btc	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	there;s going to be a flood of these. the marginal cost to make small metal discs is about zero	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	the pretense to value through "unique" and "design" and trhe usual bullcrap is supposedly endless.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	exactly the sort of shit castrato usians go for.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	everyone thinks they're steve jobs nao.	[18:23]
nubbins`	this one's actually just a piece of wood	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	wooden coins.	[18:23]
nubbins`	not even coins	[18:23]
nubbins`	it just says "bitcoin" on it	[18:23]
nubbins`	no qr, no code, no key	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	jesus fuck i want a buttcoin.org account. the stupidity bitcoin brings out from i dunno where...	[18:24]
nubbins`	anyway, the physical crypto space is at a standstill	[18:24]
nubbins`	those kialara guys are the first ones to do anything different since casascius	[18:24]
BingoBoingo	Indictment: http://qntra.net/2014/12/united-kingdom-severely-constrains-porn-production/	[18:24]
assbot	United Kingdom Severely Constrains Porn Production \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vM5nT5 )	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[18:24]
nubbins`	everyone else is all "lel silver rounds w/ holo super cool"	[18:24]
adlai	"Hebrew slang for money" wut	[18:24]
nubbins`	nobody gives a fuck about coins with holos	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	wait, the original wankers don't like wanking anymore ?	[18:24]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` dude but if you turn them they change!111	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	"get a snowglobe"	[18:25]
nubbins`	heh	[18:25]
nubbins`	i want a hellraiser-style puzzlebox physical btc	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	so make it.	[18:25]
adlai	"For an extra .25BTC ..." < what's the point of getting the damn thing if you don't get the extras	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	i want prison-made physical btc. toothpaste.	[18:25]
nubbins`	just might	[18:25]
adlai	it's just a bloody expensive paperweight without them	[18:26]
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BingoBoingo	i want prison-made physical btc. toothpaste. << Oh, if I go in I'll have an arts and crafts project.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	actually, even better : TEETH!	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	documented prison fight, carved bitcoin teeth.	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n5VbIuh_lo	[18:28]
assbot	I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby. ❤ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmcqV7 )	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	given the motto's from there, guess my next article.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	which ima publish in a few hours.	[18:28]
nubbins`	heh	[18:31]
nubbins`	speaking of teeth, we got a pig skull the other day	[18:31]
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mircea_popescu	;;rated adlai	[18:32]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate adlai lisp	[18:32]
gribble	Error: 'lisp' is not a valid integer.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	;;rate adlai 1 lisp	[18:32]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user adlai has been recorded.	[18:32]
mike_c	those kialara coins are cool.	[18:34]
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mike_c	they look pretty sweet and i like that they are "designed" to only have 0.1 btc in them.	[18:35]
mats_cd03	https://soundcloud.com/royksopp/thank-you	[18:35]
assbot	Thank You by Röyksopp - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1vM69PO )	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	how can ou design a coin with an address limit ?	[18:35]
mike_c	hence air quotes. it says 0.1 on it.	[18:35]
mike_c	they come unfunded	[18:35]
mike_c	these are all novelty items, so i think cas coins with 10 btc or whatever are dumb.	[18:36]
nubbins`	cas coins come funded	[18:36]
mats_cd03	also used to be one hundredth the value it is now, mate	[18:36]
mike_c	sure, no doubt.	[18:36]
mike_c	dumb now, not then.	[18:37]
nubbins`	anyway kialara bars would be WAY cooler if they ditched the text altogether	[18:37]
nubbins`	the name and the amount	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you gotta ppreciate, when the cas coins were a thing, 50 btc was like 100 bux	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	it made perfect sense to have a coin with something more than nothing's worth of bitcoin in it.	[18:38]
mats_cd03	anyone want to play a quick chess game (blitz)?	[18:38]
nubbins`	the last series he sold were 0.1btc	[18:38]
mike_c	yes yes, i am saying it no longer makes sense to have a 10 btc that is actually funded	[18:38]
mike_c	*10 btc coin	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	it had its political importance at the time, these aren;'t really remembered today, but at some point i had to go into fucking something awful forums and argue with the idiots as to why bitcoin actualy is valuable.	[18:38]
nubbins`	it makes no sense to put a denomination on it, period	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	because at the time idiots honestly thought the "internet funbux" angle can be pushed.	[18:39]
mike_c	doesn't make a good xmas gift without a denomination	[18:39]
nubbins`	well ya know. it doesn't make a good xmas gift with one either.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	well, prolly not anymore, you're right.	[18:39]
jurov	wait till some crazy canadian starts making them from mice poop and her genital hair	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	i imagine it makes little sense to have anymore at all, tbh.	[18:39]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/ Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.46220824 BTC. Current weight: 60,506.	[18:39]
nubbins`	jurov "his" hair. i'm a man.	[18:39]
[]bot	Bet placed: 7 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/ Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.46220824 BTC. Current weight: 60,506.	[18:39]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu cold storage for the discerning consumer, nothing more.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` wait wut ?!	[18:40]
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nubbins`	LEL	[18:40]
nubbins`	i kid	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	it's the most inconvenient storage conceivable.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	sorta like keeping your cheese in a truck wheel.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	why not the fridge ?	[18:40]
jurov	http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2003/10/01/Public-money-for-pubic-hair-art-decried/UPI-46201065031891/ << hope that's not you nubbins`	[18:40]
assbot	Public money for pubic hair art decried - UPI.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmgYuS )	[18:40]
mike_c	nubbins`: can you vouch at all for kialara? i'm going to get one.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	jurov i used to know this chick that wore a bracelet she made out of her pubic hair.	[18:41]
nubbins`	mike_c they look cool, no idea beyond that	[18:41]
nubbins`	jurov this is a problem, people get all hissy when someone gets a grant for something they personally don't like	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	total ocd case, she'd actually pluck her hairs by hand, braid them in threes then braid the results and on it went.	[18:41]
nubbins`	maybe their issue is with the grant system	[18:41]
nubbins`	there was a big sadness when a band called "holy fuck" got a grant	[18:42]
nubbins`	old windbags who'd never bothered to even listen to the band, decrying the vulgar waste of taxpayer money	[18:43]
nubbins`	but the thing is, they don't give a fuck that there's grant money being given away; they care that it's being given to a band called holy fuck	[18:43]
nubbins`	but, y'know.	[18:43]
nubbins`	it's not their say.	[18:44]
jurov	i intended tat just for laugh, but okay.	[18:44]
nubbins`	:D	[18:44]
nubbins`	i know! just taking a tangent	[18:44]
adlai	mircea_popescu: omg thank you tho mutth!	[18:44]
jurov	i myself was recipient of taxpayer money for nonsense, too. so what.	[18:45]
nubbins`	i fear the grant system discourages artists from putting their careers on economically viable paths	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ srsly	[18:45]
assbot	What is art ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmiPzL )	[18:45]
nubbins`	i've read that like three times and i'm out of credits	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	there is no economically viable path for "artists" outside of mooching off the sovereign.	[18:45]
nubbins`	we even had our own chat about it, i drew you a thing.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	I WONT SELL OUT!	[18:46]
nubbins`	you and your capital A "Art" ;D	[18:46]
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nubbins`	oh btw, nice eulora biology	[18:47]
jurov	they can be beggars, too	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	guy's talented like all fuck isn't he.	[18:47]
nubbins`	nod	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	jurov except then they're not real artists. just buskers.	[18:48]
BingoBoingo	jurov: what's with the submissions to qntra containing lengthy documents verbatim? << lengthy documents go into blockquotes, don't get counted	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	andy warwhore is teh true artist.	[18:48]
nubbins`	he's not a real blogger, he's just a busker	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	yeah, this i true in the reverse. bloggers that write for someone else aren't much more than buskers.	[18:48]
nubbins`	anyone working for someone else is a busker if you wanna split that hair the rest of the way	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	all the oms and whatnot of the world.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[18:49]
jurov	i guess mircea meant pople working for general public as opposed to their master	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	a hooker not working for someone else is just a bum.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	there's liberal professions and servile professions.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	artist is a servile profession. the long and the short of it.	[18:50]
jurov	https://www.flickr.com/photos/esaruoho/15160452954/	[18:50]
assbot	An indiscriminate slave \| Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmkqpk )	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	it's also the one to most famously rebel against its status, but so what of that.	[18:50]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/ Odds: 93(Y):7(N) by coin, 90(Y):10(N) by weight. Total bet: 32.46220824 BTC. Current weight: 60,497.	[18:53]
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jurov	nubbins` if you're ever gonna make some b-a book, these reich images are very fitting	[18:54]
jurov	the book "Listen, Little Man!" is good, too, except for wtf conclusions	[18:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34744 @ 0.00036661 = 12.7375 BTC [+]	[18:56]
jurov	https://www.flickr.com/photos/esaruoho/15595016198/in/photostream/ hahaha	[18:57]
assbot	Your slave driver is yourself \| Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1vM7INN )	[18:57]
jurov	grr it linked other image as i meant	[18:57]
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BingoBoingo	http://mobile.reuters.com/article/article/idUSKCN0JG23820141202?irpc=932	[19:02]
assbot	Some Ferguson residents accuse police of aggressive arrest tactics ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmoPZa )	[19:02]
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nubbins`	some of these are weird	[19:16]
nubbins`	https://www.flickr.com/photos/esaruoho/15778534711/in/photostream/	[19:16]
assbot	Inane chatter at your social functions \| Flickr - Photo Sharing! ... ( http://bit.ly/1wmtCd6 )	[19:16]
nubbins`	anyway, if anyone's interested, there's maybe ten books left in the first edition of our latest, so get 'em while they're hot	[19:24]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=871618.msg9642091#msg9642091	[19:29]
assbot	Diletto De Bitcoin - Cocobolo Bitcoin Dildo ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMVQM0 )	[19:29]
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BingoBoingo	Best Bitcoin Dildo so far	[19:31]
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punkman	awesome	[19:32]
kakobrekla	> It was commissioned by a person on this forum but then they back out half way through completion. Original price was $600usd.	[19:32]
kakobrekla	buyer : "now that you finally made the thing, you can go fuck yourself. bye"	[19:32]
kakobrekla	and then buy it for 150$.	[19:33]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 60.92962981 BTC. Current weight: 7,053.	[19:33]
punkman	he totally had to use his wood-turning skills and make it ribbed	[19:33]
kakobrekla	would be more interesting you could screw it	[19:35]
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punkman	that's not how dildos work kakobrekla	[19:35]
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mats_cd03	man, 600usd for a wooden dildo	[19:35]
mats_cd03	thats inflation for you.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	"If you have ever been F#CKED using BTCitcoin for something this would be a great way to memorialize that as well."	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	?!	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	dude don't tell me the forum muppetry actually fucks itself to memorialize being fucked.	[19:36]
BingoBoingo	Of course they do. It's how they have to learn through pennance.	[19:39]
mats_cd03	so meta.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	buttmeta	[19:40]
kakobrekla	but if you been screwed by bitcoin no cigar	[19:40]
mats_cd03	now, to look for another distro now that debian's been converted to systemd....	[19:43]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before Mar 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1058/ Odds: 94(Y):6(N) by coin, 91(Y):9(N) by weight. Total bet: 37.46220824 BTC. Current weight: 60,461.	[19:48]
nubbins`	try dubian	[19:48]
nubbins`	all the system sounds are done by this guy: http://imgur.com/hVCvAkC	[19:48]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer ... ( http://bit.ly/1zMYmBZ )	[19:48]
mats_cd03	;;ud dubian	[19:48]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dubian \| Dubian. A young straight biological male, particularly in his teenage years or early ... The Dubian is indeed a bio-guy, therefore, if you're not into bio-peen, ...	[19:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38369 @ 0.00036838 = 14.1344 BTC [+]	[19:49]
mats_cd03	> that bears a striking resemblance to an androgynous lesbian. A heterosexual dude who, at first glance, is often mistaken for a boyish lesbian. He is usually of smaller build, wears ambiguous attire, (ie: skinny jeans, Chuck Taylors) and cuts his hair into a faux hawk or other such lesbian-trademarked coiffure.	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	ajajaj dubian	[19:49]
mats_cd03	my vocabulary grows	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	this one	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	's great.	[19:51]
mats_cd03	i get the distinct impression there's no good distro left besides gentoo	[19:53]
mats_cd03	maybe its time to move to openbsd	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	prolly gentoo's the last man standing	[19:53]
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asciilifeform	gentoo's the last man standing << not standing. hobbling on leg stump like the knight in 'monty python'.	[19:57]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno who cares about recent distros anyway.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	or why would they.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	but i suppose putting more steam behind openbsd can't hurt.	[20:03]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 62.42962981 BTC. Current weight: 7,042.	[20:05]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[20:07]
gribble	Current Blocks: 332636 \| Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 \| Next Difficulty In: 3 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 19 minutes and 35 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[20:07]
BingoBoingo	O.o	[20:07]
mike_c	;;tslb	[20:08]
gribble	Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.	[20:08]
mike_c	this is exciting	[20:08]
asciilifeform	who cares about recent distros << recent distros - maybe no one. recent kernels - quite a few folks doomed to grunt on recent hardware. who don't have the muscles, time, or energy to vivisect the patches.	[20:09]
BingoBoingo	http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=141740633215923&w=2	[20:11]
assbot	'LibreSSL Windows port status update' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1pPBbH3 )	[20:11]
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mircea_popescu	ahhhahaha	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform who exactly is doomed to grunt on recent hardware	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty << Estimated Next Difficulty: 40,010,998,361 (-0.72%) Adjust time: After 3 Blocks, About 29.5 minutes	[20:21]
assbot	Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom ... ( http://bit.ly/1pPEHRV )	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	no dice.	[20:21]
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nubbins`	:o	[20:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: who exactly is doomed to grunt on recent hardware << just about anyone using issued portables. anyone with rented servers. most folks.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	uh. if you have servers you'd have to be insane to use rented hardware oyu manage yourself. either colo your own metal or else have the fucking dc handle it if you don't give a shit.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	and who the fuck takes any electronics from their job is so stupid shouldn't get to live anyway.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	i can't even be bothered to count all the ways that's stupid. wtf.	[20:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: stupid << answer then. i requisitioned portable comp, could have asked for anything. should have asked for 486? with 640x480 lcd ?	[20:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: remember, this is a box i have to actually live with.	[20:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: on account of my profession, i need max disk, cpu, ram, attainable. in portable box. still say 486?	[20:31]
jurov	mircea has slaves to carry boxen around	[20:32]
asciilifeform	jurov: he also doesn't strictly have to leave home. or do work.	[20:33]
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asciilifeform	jurov: i even know what mircea will say now - that poor choice of profession, should instead drill for oil in the north atlantic, or fight in syria.	[20:38]
midnightmagic	asciilifeform: novena maybe?	[20:38]
asciilifeform	midnightmagic: lol!	[20:38]
midnightmagic	oh you said "max". nvm	[20:38]
asciilifeform	midnightmagic: handmade piece of shit, and made of what? quite recent pieces.	[20:39]
midnightmagic	it has an fpga onboard, (almost) no firmware except perhaps for the sdd. it's free-ish	[20:40]
asciilifeform	on account of my profession, i occasionally do things like booting up winblows in an emulator. on what would mircea do this? 486?	[20:41]
asciilifeform	on fpga emulating a 486?	[20:41]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform whatever sarge runs on ?	[20:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: need max cpu, max ram, or will hate life.	[20:43]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1.9 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $250 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.51760042 BTC. Current weight: 92,130.	[20:44]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1.6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $250 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.51760042 BTC. Current weight: 92,130.	[20:44]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $250 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/ Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.51760042 BTC. Current weight: 92,129.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	maybe i'm missing something here, but, why do you think you can't run "max" whatever they are on older debians ?	[20:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: cannot, much as i'd love to, use 486, or bk-0011, or handmade pdp-11 in fpga.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	the cpu instruction set changed or something ? it's the same thing.	[20:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: was explaining why doomed to recent hardware!	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	no but look, linux only went braindamaged this decade.	[20:44]
[]bot	Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 61(Y):39(N) by weight. Total bet: 67.42962981 BTC. Current weight: 7,028.	[20:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00036838 = 5.8388 BTC [-]	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	it's not like simply ignoring pottering forces one to any sort of anything. so you run 2005 linux on 2010 hardware. you probably don't want the modern crapolade for any serious purpose anyway,	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	finding a fucking nat router that's not backdoored by design is a fucking hassle as it is.	[20:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: as i tried to explain, recent hardware means, inevitably, either recent kernel, or laborious pick-and-choose driver vivisection.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	on account of my profession, i occasionally do things like booting up winblows in an emulator. << actually last i did that it was on... ubuntu!	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	fitting neh ?	[20:47]
asciilifeform	in fact you cannot run 2005 linux on 2014 hw. not if you want, e.g., video output. or networking.	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	im not sure why you want to run 2014 hw at all. but whatever, maybe i don't do enough hi res porn conversion on a laptop to care ?	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	something's amiss with this picture tho. i find it hard to believe that you need a lot of computing that is a) physically in your lap and b) exactly fits within the seeming arbitrary constriction of "what 2014 laptops allow"	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	but does not fit in the "what 2010 laptops allowed"	[20:49]
asciilifeform	did try to explain. winblows in emulator, for instance. i'm a 'reverse-engineer.'	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	and you gotta run the winblows in an emulator on a physical laptop ?	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	you can't just boot up say a vm for it on a remote server ?	[20:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha. laptop.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	well this sounds like a fucking curse on the level of, "must have sex in my car trunk, no matter what"	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	sucks.	[20:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in car trunk, and it has to have room for six fire extinguishers.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	i just never ran into this sort of edge myself. i guess count it as a blessing an' move on.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	(kinda weird how the "stuck with windowsy linux" discussion denegerated into a "because i need to run windows".	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	poettering should be good news for you then - soon enough you won't need an emulator at all.)	[20:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: l0l!	[20:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not only winblows, though. but it's the 'heaviest' victim.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	somehow i imagine what the us agency of redhat is trying to solve is exactly your problem,	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	just for more retarded people.	[20:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the single biggest hog in my butcher shop.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	anyway, entertain me here. so what happens if you use 2010 hardware with older linux instals is that what, your shit moves slower ?	[20:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you haven't even heard the rest of the fun. at my other job, also stuck with maximally modern hw. because how many floating point ops per second determines, more or less directly, how we're paid.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	so there's no 1k chickens where you live ?	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	here's a thought : two $10 old cpus are faster than a $50 modern cpu.	[20:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: can only afford a few dozen chickens before 'bracket' rises (cost of next tier of floor space, cooling, begin to dwarf the machines)	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	wait, wut ?	[20:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: two 0 old cpus are faster than a 0 modern << not for molecular dynamics sim. need fast shared memory.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	there is a lot terribly wrong with the picture you paint. i've yet to see this wonder where support costs more than the hardware.	[20:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: visit more threadbare pauper's shops made of shoelace and bamboo	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	but you see how from a business perspective this makes no sense ? the hardware's the biggest cost. in any and all dcs ever since the world begun.	[20:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: no dc. we're talking about a handful of boxes in a cheapo office. if any more, must have dc cage, then nothing left to eat.	[20:58]
nubbins`	i once spent a summer running fluid dynamics sims on a 24-node beowulf cluster	[20:58]
nubbins`	what a shit show	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and actually renting stuff like amzon offers is not cheaper than what you're currently doing ?!	[20:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: from a 'business perspective' very few of the things folks do to survive make sense. ice cream truck will not make the owner rich. nor the knife sharpener in buenos aires.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	but both of these make sense from a business perspective.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	now suppose the major cost of the icecream truck wasn't icecream, but... windshield wiper.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	i'd be just as puzzled.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: last i checked, rented gpu was not worth the cost. but say i did. then i get: the very same modern hardware... just - rented.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform as i said afore, " you'd have to be insane to use rented hardware oyu manage yourself. either colo your own metal or else have the fucking dc handle it if you don't give a shit"	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	trying to peg you into one or the other here.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	not going so well.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if i were to rent hardware, would have to do most of the management work personally on account of massive existing toolchain crud.	[21:01]
BingoBoingo	Obummer comes for your boners: http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/12/02/the_able_act_congress_wants_medicare_to_stop_paying_for_penis_pumps.html	[21:01]
assbot	The ABLE Act: Congress wants Medicare to stop paying for penis pumps. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjzbaP )	[21:01]
nubbins`	http://nparc.cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/npsi/ctrl?action=shwart&index=an&req=8896078&lang=en	[21:01]
assbot	Beowulf clusters and high performance computing at the Institute for Marine Dynamics - NRC Publications - Canada Institute for Scientific and Technical Information ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjzdQd )	[21:02]
nubbins`	only an abstract, but hey	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so basically you're running your own metal which you don't want to colo because you figure it's actually cheaper in your own house sort of thing ?	[21:03]
asciilifeform	leaving for a moment aside my own piles of junk metal - folks embroiled in scientific computing are inevitably doomed to use modern hardware. they cannot, economically, freeze in time and live in 2008 (or whenever) for eternity.	[21:03]
nubbins`	dem recent advances, dem increasing hardware requirements, etc	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	i somehow doubt they actually use poettering stuff either, but what do i know	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	iirc there's a naggum on this topic.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	same goes for any other similarly perverse application where 'horsepower' is money.	[21:04]
nubbins`	try modelling HIV spread on a 486	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what's to keep you ?	[21:04]
nubbins`	my expected lifespan	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	dude srsly. where the fuck is that link.	[21:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html	[21:04]
assbot	Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjzLFu )	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	there we go.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	so... if what you do is a good idea, this sort of problem can't possibly exists.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	if the problem exists it's a prime indicator you're wasting your life.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: except the world broke since naggum wrote this. not even the oil prospectors write custom os now.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	this, as a purely deductive matter.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform depends which. the oil prospectors that make money do.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	the BPs of this world do not.	[21:05]
BingoBoingo	http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/centos7/ << Seems some did go for poettering	[21:05]
assbot	Linux @ CERN: /linux/centos7/index.shtml ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjzZN7 )	[21:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i'm more or less wasting life just by having the misfortune to be parked on planet 3 in 2014. this is quite clear.	[21:06]
nubbins`	planet 2's too sultry	[21:06]
undata	asciilifeform: oh I don't know, the others don't look particularly hospitable	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the issue should be addressed irrespective of how obnoxious X kiddo is.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	in fact, it has nothing to do with no kiddo.	[21:06]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i was trying to disagree, logically, with 'we can simply preserve in amber hardware from golden age and use that for everything'	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	i don't see you got too far.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	every step of the way of technology is sound and can be rested upon.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	that's the only important thing about technology.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	you don't HAVE TO update anything, and if it sucks you don't update.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	full stop.	[21:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if it sucks you don't update << and lose the contract to the fellow who isn't trying to fold protein on 486.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	seems 1905 steel girder bridges still work just fine, and yes you can do anything you want done on 486s. heck, it's always been cheaper to buy last year's tech and buy a lot of it and network it than it is to buy the monolithic "custom made" tool.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if it sucks, he'll do worse than you.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	this is the definition of "it sucks".	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	if he doesn't do worse than you, that's a prime signal that you're insane.	[21:09]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's always been cheaper to buy last year's tech and buy a lot of it and network it << to some extent, the problem i spoke of is a 'two strong oxen' problem. need shared memory.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i am at this very moment running a 64 GB amd-a8 quad.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	that's a what, 2008 processor ?	[21:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if it sucks, he'll do worse than you << find naggum's piece on how 'market can only tackle one dimension of multidimensional analysis.' yes, other fellow will fold the protein faster, while running poetteringisms.	[21:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10459 @ 0.00036952 = 3.8648 BTC [+]	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	i dun see it.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	i mean it's a fine theory an' all, but i don't see it.	[21:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 2008 processor << can get ~2x the clock now. i fully grasp that for your application - there is no reason whatsoever to do this.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	but can you grasp that 2 x1 = 1 x2 ?	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	so you get twice the clock, and i get two of them. sure, there are SOME problems that are provably unsplittable.	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	there's about five of them.,	[21:13]
BingoBoingo	If I sound grumpy, it is only because I have come across too many idiots of the "it can't be done" persuasion lately, the kind of managers who have an aquarium in their office because fifteen brains think better than one.	[21:14]
BingoBoingo	^ Naggum	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	fuck, for that matter, this thing is universal. so the us only makes "high performance" bullshit antibiotics of doom these days ?	[21:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 47 @ 0.07762629 = 3.6484 BTC [+] {16}	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	wake me up sometime when i care. i've been using sulfmetoxazole forever, and i intend to continue.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	half a cent a pill, indian factories dedicated to its preservation in amber.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	this idea that "we'll gavin all over the blockchain technology and everyone will follow" is out of a holywood movie. not how reality works.	[21:18]
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mircea_popescu	people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	but that ended a few years back, and "upgrade" is headed right into the "please install our browser toolbar extension" and "act now!" bin.	[21:19]
BingoBoingo	people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to. << What happened was Microsoft's "Let's mimic the Auto Industries idea of the Model Year" won even if MS could not execute on it	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	they came up with "smart phones" ? fuck them, i never upgraded, i still use actual phones. samsung is jumping over backwards to supply the market. they cost nothing. etc.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo pretty much yeah. and then Dull Gates dragged the entire "industry" of nitwits along with him.	[21:21]
mats_cd03	but a smart phone makes me smart. :(	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	"prevailing business practices" derpage.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 im too smart, see ? level cap already.	[21:21]
mats_cd03	lucky.	[21:21]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[21:22]
gribble	Current Blocks: 332643 \| Current Difficulty: 4.000747027127126E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 334655 \| Next Difficulty In: 2012 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 7 hours, 47 minutes, and 17 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 56315518647.2 \| Estimated Percent Change: 40.76251	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	aand it dropped ?	[21:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit << number crunching - existed. even if you're not involved with it, realize that it was original purpose of computer. it matters.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	i have no argument with that.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	but i recall that even before the first cray, kiler micros did better than the mainframe.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	this hasn't somehow magicked away just because whoever likes to sell to the gubmint	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	and nobody seriously reviews fraud that involves public funds.	[21:23]
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BingoBoingo	Was last difficulty 40,300,030,328 if so then dropped	[21:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: kiler micros did better than the mainframe <<< noooo.... not for shared-memory problems! not then, not now. please, understand the basic issue.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what did happen was - the 'strong oxen' died. simply died. and this made micros look good, because alive looks better than dead.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, i know what you're saying, but i think it's much rarer than you make it look, a problem that doesn't take well to chickens.	[21:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 996 @ 0.00115186 = 1.1473 BTC [-] {4}	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	not that i'm against oxen or anything. but seriously, trying to sell me on braindamaged chickens with three beaks as a sort of unavoidable oxen ?	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	come on, anything turkeys can do chickens can do.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	if your problem can be approached with 2014 "state of the art" killer micro, it can also be approached with killer micro that was state of the art in 2009. that's the whole argument.	[21:26]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: just explaining that, e.g., 2x ram bandwidth - closer to 'oxen' than otherwise.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	somehow having this magical problem that fits just right in this otherwise narrow space seems very improbable.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	but, sure, every broom shoots once. if a broom shot you once, you have my deepest simpathies.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	"closer" is not of this film.	[21:27]
cazalla	jurov: what's with the submissions to qntra containing lengthy documents verbatim? <<< anything contained in a as those length documents are, do not count towards word count	[21:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it isn't a broom to me, but the 'rifle' i carry every day.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	what, and 31 bit registers are closer to functional than 28 bit registers ?	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	just cut it to 16 bit and use two.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: multiplier.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	but 31 bit doesn't work anyway. it's either 32 or 16. that's it. you don't get "closer"	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	some things are discrete, an' being an ox is one of them things by definition.	[21:29]
cazalla	adlai: nubbins`: yes, but it could ignore text within blockquote tags <<< this is correct, it does ignore them and this is actually one of the first things discussed when qntra was launched	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	which is why "two oxen" is actually misleading. either it's one ox, or else it's an infinity of chickens. no twos here.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: anyway, bad analogy. i'm speaking of actual problems where higher clock on system bus equals more cash.	[21:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00036952 = 4.5451 BTC [+]	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if it does, i can't see why you wouldn't have your own, terrahertz bus.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and memory access is the bottleneck.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	kept you know, under liquid methane or some shit	[21:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if it does, i can't see why you wouldn't have your own, terrahertz bus << because ice cream truck does not bring in the income to convert it to galactic ice cream empire.	[21:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but ice cream monger wants to live too.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	so yeah, you're stuck in a paraeconomic crevice over there.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	whereas the point i was making was kinda you know, in general.	[21:32]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but forget about ice cream men. ask your intelligence men if, say, LukOil produces own terahertz silicon. is there any question what the answer is?	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	wait, no lizard lukoil ?	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	only nsa can has ?	[21:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: science died.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	wait, only lukoil science died ? nsa is fine ?	[21:33]
cazalla	mike_c: qntra authors: coinbase is an exchange now. http://blog.coinbase.com/post/104112477642/usd-wallets-on-coinbase <<< usd is more an altcoin eh, not really news worthy imo	[21:34]
assbot	The Coinbase Blog — USD Wallets on Coinbase ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjFU4A )	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	go cazalla	[21:34]
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mircea_popescu	btw, asciilifeform speaking of the fast memory thing, did resistive ram go anywhere ?	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	i recall a bruhaha a few years ago	[21:35]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: mram ?	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	wasn't it reram or something ?	[21:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: can buy it now. (see, e.g, 'digikey corp.') patent lockup, monopoly, ruinous cost.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: speaking of magnetoresistive ram (behaves like eeprom, but no ion migration wear and virtually no write latency)	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120518132549.htm <<< this thing	[21:37]
assbot	New silicon memory chip may offer super-fast memory -- ScienceDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1yeFTfB )	[21:37]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ah, this - no. but realize, all of these nice things (rebirth of ferrite core, nonvolatile ram) is wasted on unix.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: science died. << "and yet we can't conserve tech in amber".	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	why wasted ?	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	im sure you can have glibc ported over :D	[21:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: because the whole disk-ram dichotomy is predicated on volatile ram.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	it's not like there;s an actual dichotomy. you can have a ramdisk or a diskram for all it cares.	[21:40]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the whole notion of files. file systems. memory allocation as a separate thing from disk operations.	[21:41]
ben_vulpes	jurov: http://f9beb4d9.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html << "signed by" col looks a little wacky	[21:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vjHzqU )	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	that's clunk, sure, but it wouldn't ever know	[21:41]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: see also: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231	[21:43]
assbot	Loper OS » Third Law of Sane Personal Computing ... ( http://bit.ly/1vjHTGb )	[21:43]
mats_cd03	based on my observation of news on this front, 'memristors' seems likely its rapidly becoming feasible and affordable	[21:43]
mats_cd03	not that i know anything at all about how this stuff really works.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	i thought so too, kinda wy i asked. he seems in the prime market to care about em	[21:44]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform sure, no argument there.	[21:44]
asciilifeform	mats_cd03: not even worth thinking about until chicoms shit on the patents and sell them near cost.	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	lol stan doesn't want to dream	[21:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not only dreamed, but simulated using bizarre terrorist contraption of fpga+dram+flash.	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	all this is wheting my appetite for b-a computers	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	which can't happen because hey! where is my nsa letter ?	[21:46]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: at home, half written. i'm still at [censored], fighting with crapware.	[21:47]
adlai	oh you're talking about that other nsa	[21:47]
asciilifeform	adlai: the Real! nsa	[21:47]
kakobrekla	nsa check, bitcoin foundation check, ... whats next, usg?	[21:48]
adlai	after reading a bit more about the scamosphere, in my mind, "usg" now gets pronounced "usagi"	[21:49]
adlai	which raises the question of how "usagi" is pronounced	[21:49]
asciilifeform	adlai: pronounce as approx. 'you shaggy'	[21:49]
adlai	usagi-san?	[21:50]
adlai	ohhhhhh	[21:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47350 @ 0.00037104 = 17.5687 BTC [+] {2}	[21:59]
mats_cd03	it breathes	[22:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 134 @ 0.00851058 = 1.1404 BTC [-] {5}	[22:03]
punkman	"We never thought a video would be watched in numbers greater than a 32-bit integer (=2,147,483,647 views), but that was before we met PSY. "Gangnam Style" has been viewed so many times we have to upgrade!"	[22:11]
thestringpuller	i'm getting solicited to go to a CIA job fair...	[22:20]
thestringpuller	~_~	[22:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18241 @ 0.00037128 = 6.7725 BTC [+]	[22:22]
thestringpuller	"The CIA's strength and effectiveness as an agency depends upon its ability to employ a workforce as diverse as the nation it serves."	[22:23]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Might as well go. They'll prolly station you in Russia.	[22:23]
thestringpuller	"Your first assignment is to become friends with this man displays picture of Snowden"	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo russia, idaho ?	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	i like these "as an X" aspirationals.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	how about the cia's strength and effectiveness as a potato ?	[22:44]
mats_cd03	nah, your first assignment will be to befriend mp.	[22:44]
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mircea_popescu	I HAVE NO FRIENDS!!1	[22:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Either one. Given the CIA's history of applying diverse hires I would expect thestringpuller to be assigned to somewhere lilly white or otherwise homogenous. Probably in a deep cover role	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	wait, thestringpuller is not like us ?	[22:46]
*	mircea_popescu reaches for his grand wizard hat	[22:46]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller is blessed in melanin	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller you totally have to read more qntra. help fix the quantcast demos.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	so now since the b-a notary system is down, i can't check on wtf taxes mpoe has to pay	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	THIS IS BULLSHIT	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	we're back to the fucking state crap and we've not even revolutionized yet!	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2jcfin/analyzing_the_bitcoin_foundations_2013_tax_return/	[22:49]
assbot	Analyzing the Bitcoin Foundation's 2013 tax return : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL0FYf )	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	quite on point, incidentally.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	Page 8 shows the salaries the foundation pays.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	Gavin Andresen, "chief scientist", received $209k of "reportable compensation" + $2,884 of "other compensation", for more than $212k. Apparently the foundation thinks it's better to pay one guy $212k for writing blog posts and giving talks and interviews than paying three guys $70k each to work on the software the whole pyramid scheme currency depends on.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	Patrick Murck, general counsel, received $57k + $6k.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	Lindsay Holland, assistant director, received $160k + $2,512. I have no idea what she's doing, other than writing press releases, uploading conference videos to YouTube and giving interviews about how she's paid in Bitcoin.	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	"tl;dr: The Bitcoin Foundation exists so a few people can pay themselves generous salaries and play important. Also, they seem to depend on the Bitcoin price rising seeing they lose money on revenue vs. expenses."	[22:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: phoundation - can buy golden toilets. foundation - cannot buy me lunch (even if wanted to!) lol.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	well, actually, it currently has enough for a few lunches,	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	but not a path to travel.	[22:52]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: path to travel is that i finish me gadget then proceed to fix bitcoind. but in this order.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	aye.	[22:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: for some reason nobody else wants to. or can. or some combination of these. i can't say.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	what are you talking about, tons of people working on it from what iv'e seen ?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: working on the chipped paint on the bumper.	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	eh let ppls do their thing.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lol, i'd love for this to get done without any participation at all of mine.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: am hoping that the mythical other fella who knows cpp, can crank gdb, etc. shows up.	[22:57]
BingoBoingo	I'm pretty sure the state of the world is that the one non-mythical person who knows cpp is asciilifeform and he loathes it.	[22:59]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: nah that was poor naggum.	[22:59]
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BingoBoingo	Naggum now lives in the realm of the mythical	[22:59]
BingoBoingo	!up pi07r	[23:00]
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*	adlai still wonders whether polish is better applied to turds than, say, shoes, or nails	[23:02]
undata	adlai: use it as fertilizer, grow something more palatable	[23:03]
adlai	what grows from turdilizer is not a turd, though	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	My nostrils can testify that this as of this fall turds were still a more popular fertilizer in my area for corn and soybeans than anything other.	[23:04]
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adlai	http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PlanToThrowOneAway	[23:05]
assbot	Plan To Throw One Away ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL2S5K )	[23:05]
asciilifeform	i can't look at the phoundation figures without spitting with rage.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	it could buy planets.	[23:06]
adlai	are you being forced to look at them?	[23:06]
asciilifeform	adlai: devils tempt me.	[23:06]
*	adlai wonders whence the Second Foundation	[23:07]
asciilifeform	adlai: know that my own project with mircea, s.nsa, lives in a presently-unheated shed. i shall be installing a propane heater this week.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	adlai: phoundation motherfuckers are crapping into golden toilets as we speak.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	kinda why we're here, neh ?	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	so their children know not of such bezzle.	[23:10]
adlai	that's not really news to me, beyond the details about the heater (congratulations, I guess?)	[23:10]
asciilifeform	i've been prefixing would-bes in conversation with 'after the war...' for some years.	[23:11]
adlai	although think of it this way - if you shat in gold toilets, you'd start dreaming about building Gold Woman	[23:11]
asciilifeform	however i can't promise that i'll be there, in that after, the war.	[23:11]
BingoBoingo	We know not when the war ends, but they enemy knows even less so!	[23:11]
adlai	only the dead have seen the end of war	[23:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39150 @ 0.00037205 = 14.5658 BTC [+] {2}	[23:13]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2014/12/australia-the-tax-institute-calls-for-voluntary-bitcoin-registry-treating-bitcoin-as-currency/	[23:17]
assbot	Australia: The Tax Institute Calls for 'Voluntary' Bitcoin Registry, Treating Bitcoin as Currency \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL4pch )	[23:17]
undata	oz competing with the US for "worst former british colony"?	[23:19]
BingoBoingo	STFU GPO!!!! https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/5777/text	[23:19]
assbot	Text - H.R.5777 - 113th Congress (2013-2014): To protect cryptocurrencies. \| Congress.gov \| Library of Congress ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDo1CQ )	[23:19]
undata	BingoBoingo: the "protect" has me nervous, but that was the guy accepting bitcoin donations	[23:22]
BingoBoingo	Hard to say really what people mean.	[23:23]
undata	“Many [doctors] are dropping out of the profession because it’s overregulated. Now, what may happen to the bitcoin community is that, if there’s so much regulation, there’ll be a lot of people who say, 'You know what, I’m done with this. I’m not gonna do it,' and it’s going to crush the industry.”	[23:24]
undata	http://www.coindesk.com/steve-stockman-new-york-bitcoin-regulation-could-crush-the-industry/	[23:24]
assbot	Steve Stockman: New York's Bitcoin Regulation Could Crush the Industry ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDoQvm )	[23:24]
BingoBoingo	undata: Very related http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/10/nursing-degrees/	[23:24]
assbot	Doctors Getting Nursing Degrees to Stay Competitive \| GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDoRzv )	[23:24]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: the one of 30 black people of qntra is me	[23:25]
BingoBoingo	“Excuse me…” at that moment when the new nurse looked up from changing a bed pan, “Doctor Fritz!” Shannon yelled in amazement. “No it’s Nurse Charlie tonight,” he responded before she could question any further.	[23:26]
BingoBoingo	At times it has been a little confusing and difficult to keep the two separate. “On rounds the next morning I’ll ask my residents what the patient’s Is & Os were. They will tell me the nurse didn’t chart them appropriately. So I’ll wander over to the charge nurse and say who was taking care of Ms. Johnson last night –and of course it was me…”	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	undata yeah, bitcoin totally depends on the sorts of derps that care what some government says.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	their absence "would crush the industry", except they never mattered in any sense.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	i guess bitcointalk would get fewer posts.	[23:28]
BingoBoingo	Oh, Thermos got a subpenis https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881488.msg9714624;boardseen#new	[23:30]
assbot	DPR subpoena ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL5Rvf )	[23:30]
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mircea_popescu	it's good he didn't spend all those donations on "forum software" then	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	"Hello, sorry if there is another thread for this kind of post, but I couldn't find one. I'm looking for the best and brightest IT pro in the bitcoin community to be the lead developer in a venture backed bitcoin startup company. The ideal candidate would have at least several years of web application development experience, having built applications from the ground up. A solid understanding of oop and software arch	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	itecture is a must. Experience in a start-up environment is a plus, or just being super hard working, self-motivated, and creative.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	Compensation can be in the form of equity or a salary, or somewhere in-between."	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	ahh the beauty of 2011	[23:37]
BingoBoingo	I just wonder how the fuck is this his first contact with the law when the fucking FBI and Treasury Department drove down from Peoria to meet me?	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6760.msg159173#msg159173 << also pretty good. "The top is immanent. "	[23:38]
assbot	call an end to the rally ... ( http://bit.ly/1FL6GnE )	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	yeah, i'd say the top is immanent.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo could vbe he's lying.	[23:38]
BingoBoingo	Maybe this is the first formal subpoena, but... The shit that happens on the forum and his only reporting a DPR subpoena nao???	[23:39]
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BingoBoingo	Not... When the US attourney was doing discovery, but NAO HE REVEALS SUBPOENA???	[23:41]
BingoBoingo	In other forum history, the Original supershill https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15307	[23:43]
assbot	View the profile of rlh ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDramb )	[23:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.00036668 = 9.0937 BTC [-] {2}	[23:45]
punkman	https://twitter.com/NASA/status/539814651404754944	[23:47]
assbot	We're sending humans to Mars! Watch our /hashtag/JourneytoMars?src=hash briefing live today at 12pm ET: http://t.co/6XtjOi1yJo /hashtag/Orion?src=hash http://t.co/wrf89sn35A	[23:47]
adlai	guessing here: you don't need a subpoena to browse the internet during an investigation, but you do need it to take that same internet page to court as evidence?	[23:50]
adlai	... kinda like your bot that signs pages	[23:51]
BingoBoingo	Dunno for sure	[23:52]
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mircea_popescu	adlai generally, you only need it to twist the arm of pois.	[23:56]
adlai	pois?	[23:56]
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