Forum logs for 01 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
ben_vulpes i just plug the tubes together [00:00]
ben_vulpes no big [00:00]
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ben_vulpes it would be cool if assbot could watch the jenkins rss [00:00]
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mircea_popescu nothing up here but trees and bears, no jobs, no high speed internet to speak of, can't even get decent cell service up here. Though for the day! Having my own t-3 pipe put in, and then I can offer real high speed internet. This is not the place to live if you are a high end gamer......... << lol real german angry kid up there. [00:04]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes shit, remember pipes ?! [00:09]
mircea_popescu ;;google pipe mania ms dos [00:10]
gribble Pipe Mania (MS-DOS) - Gameplay - YouTube: ; Pipe Mania download | ; Pipe Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [00:10]
ben_vulpes lol no not specifically - probably before my time. but i've played derivatives i think [00:16]
mircea_popescu it was a great game plagued by the generic name [00:18]
mircea_popescu if only they called it "supaplex" or something [00:18]
ben_vulpes ;;rated PinkPosixPXE [00:24]
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ben_vulpes ;;rate PinkPosixPXE 1 foundation supporter par excellence [00:24]
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kakobrekla and to think mp almost kicked her out! [00:26]
ben_vulpes lolrly? [00:26]
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kakobrekla yea, i guess sarcasm doesnt always travel well over irc. [00:31]
kakobrekla anyway still waiting for you to spit out the format for builds notifications [00:33]
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BingoBoingo [00:47]
assbot US Supreme Court to Hear Oral Arguments in Speech Case | ... ( ) [00:47]
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jurov << i have only now remembered i squatted this year ago [00:55]
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jurov better than "therealbitcoin" at any rate [00:56]
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kakobrekla git rep link = 404 [00:58]
ben_vulpes what git repo? [00:59]
kakobrekla >Adlai maintains a git repository of merged patches [00:59]
ben_vulpes oh adlai's [00:59]
ben_vulpes mwell then [00:59]
adlai oh I deleted that since it seemed there was no interest in using it [00:59]
kakobrekla i think adlai removed it after asciis bitching [00:59]
kakobrekla see. [01:00]
ben_vulpes lol w/e [01:00]
ben_vulpes more html for me to derp on [01:00]
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kakobrekla these lisp guys ... 'nobody submited a patch in 4 and a half minuts...!' and 'only one download first day' is 'project dead dood' [01:02]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:04]
ben_vulpes who is this? [01:04]
mircea_popescu lol noicew one jurov [01:04]
kakobrekla ben_vulpes a&a [01:05]
ben_vulpes ah lol yeah those guise [01:06]
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kakobrekla and the foundations 10btc should be spent on japanese toilets [01:08]
mircea_popescu lol [01:10]
mircea_popescu the sort that lick you after ? [01:10]
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mircea_popescu dude this bet... [09:51]
assbot BitBet - Silver to fall under $15/oz before December 27th :: 8.63 B (52%) on Yes, 8.08 B (48%) on No | closed 3 hours 31 minutes ago ... ( ) [09:51]
mircea_popescu one of the more wow upsets on bitbet. [09:51]
BingoBoingo Everything is crashing [09:53]
cazalla [09:53]
assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2014 Statement | ... ( ) [09:53]
cazalla prolly shitcan the coinroll advert [09:53]
mircea_popescu yeah, as a general policy it's ok to take per-conversion deals with things that for whatever good reason sell themselves. [09:56]
mircea_popescu but with stuff in oversaturated novelty markets... let em pay cpm. [09:56]
mircea_popescu cazalla did it actually run the whole month ? [10:00]
BingoBoingo It came into being mid month [10:01]
BingoBoingo Oh, dunno that it even had two weeks [10:01]
cazalla mircea_popescu, no, about 1/2 the month if that [10:03]
mircea_popescu aha. [10:03]
cazalla was the 20th so not even 2 weeks but still [10:04]
mircea_popescu so wait, out of the 10k uniques quantcast reports for a whole month that leaves like 4k people, of which ~80 clicked ? [10:04]
mircea_popescu are you fucking shitting me, you're getting 2% ctrs ?! [10:04]
mircea_popescu this is what, 100x gawker ? jesus this thing is sweet. [10:04]
BingoBoingo !b 2 [10:04]
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mircea_popescu CTR hasn't been over 1% since like 1998] [10:05]
cazalla pssh, some of my adsense sites did way better than that but every fkn link was adsense [10:06]
mircea_popescu im not talking here for whatever made-for-x astroturf [10:07]
mircea_popescu just, you know, a newspaper. [10:08]
cazalla i know but point is, CTR could be 100% but who cares if it didn't convert to a paying customer, total revenue this month = 0 [10:08]
mircea_popescu not the publisher's job to make the sale. [10:08]
cazalla yes, so i vote we remove the advert and offer spots per cpm [10:09]
mircea_popescu you want to be on qntra, you pay to be on qntra. let all the coin* sites have the "we'll do your job for you" deals. [10:09]
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mircea_popescu i don't think we even bother selling it until it shows great numbers and they come bangin' on the door. [10:10]
mircea_popescu course that raises the problem of wtf are great numbers. [10:10]
cazalla just charge in proportion to current numbers, increase as great numbers arrive [10:11]
cazalla maybe i'll whack up a sponsorship page outlining the demographics per quantcast [10:12]
mircea_popescu problem is like this : advertising is association. think of it like a woman (the publisher) getting married (the advertiser). [10:12]
mircea_popescu now, the time flows inversely, because these things improve with age [10:12]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, take a case like eva peron : prostitute at 15, singer/dancer at 17, [10:12]
mircea_popescu would you want to marry her at 20 ? [10:12]
mircea_popescu unless you're peron, she's gonna be a waitress. [10:13]
cazalla 6 months in BA and you're singing don't cry for me Argentina [10:13]
mircea_popescu lol [10:13]
mircea_popescu these people are beyond fucking clueless btw, im half tempted to write an article. [10:13]
mircea_popescu cazalla btw, [10:14]
mircea_popescu gave up ? [10:14]
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cazalla [10:14]
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cazalla i was going to attribute traffic drop to 2014 being somewhat of a write off but ccn is up and up so perhaps some penguin/panda styled penalty on coindesk, who knows [10:15]
BingoBoingo Coindesk still publishes text.. [10:15]
mircea_popescu isn't ccn mostly run as an mfa ? [10:16]
cazalla yeah, various authors so there is your cheap content to publish constantly [10:17]
cazalla so what is the solution/plan, the site is going into its third month, it would be nice to generate some revenue even if it is only a small amount [10:20]
mircea_popescu why ? [10:22]
mircea_popescu what i mean specifically : the site is generating excellent revenue as it is. none of which is monetary. [10:22]
mircea_popescu the conversion is very expensive, and not really necessary, so why bother. [10:23]
cazalla because there comes a point where i can make more working mcdonalds and using mcbucks to buy btc instead of qntra to btc for my efforts [10:26]
cazalla it's not an immediate need, looking more towards long term, do i look back after a year and think yes, on a per hour basis, this earned more btc than turning my mcbucks to bitcoin [10:27]
mircea_popescu cazalla just sell some shares neh ? [10:28]
cazalla that's like sacrificing long term for right now though [10:29]
mircea_popescu what i mean is : qntra is a bitcoin property. if bitcoin does well and qntra does well, it's not possible in a year for it to not be worth btc. [10:29]
mircea_popescu if you seek insurance against bitcoin doing well but qntra doing poorly, you can rebalance your shares-btc holdings proportions [10:29]
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mircea_popescu [10:37]
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mircea_popescu ahem. [10:37]
mircea_popescu ew what the shit variety. [10:37]
mircea_popescu dude the world's gone to shit. [10:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93466 @ 0.00034163 = 31.9308 BTC [-] {2} [10:37]
mircea_popescu “The theft of Sony Pictures Entertainment content is a criminal matter, and we are working closely with law enforcement to address it,” a Sony spokeswoman said in a statement to Variety. [10:39]
mircea_popescu apparently mpaa is doing so well in its war with the internet, it reminds one of the glory of the us military in the middle and far east. [10:39]
BingoBoingo Indeed [10:40]
assbot Kim Dotcom avoids jail after bail hearing - National - NZ Herald News ... ( ) [10:40]
mircea_popescu jaja he looks like such a total derp. [10:42]
BingoBoingo Totally, and this is who the MPAA is losing to. [10:43]
mircea_popescu not even, they got raped by some script kiddy group lol. [10:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.00034145 = 12.9751 BTC [-] {2} [10:45]
BingoBoingo Sure in this latest loss, but they can't even win against the derps they catch. [10:45]
mircea_popescu "He said the US had refused to supply the content of the electronic communications on which many of the allegations were made." [10:45]
mircea_popescu dude i don't get this shit. [10:45]
mircea_popescu can i now impeach obama on the basis of some sex tapes in which he's fucking his daughters ? [10:46]
mircea_popescu im not releasing the tapes btw. so when's the impeachment ? [10:46]
BingoBoingo Don't see it happening later than august. [10:48]
BingoBoingo Once the new congress comes in in January they'll probably find something to latch on to. [10:51]
mircea_popescu cazalla "*This includes a deduction of 175 words" [10:56]
mircea_popescu does that mean i have to substract 175 or not ? [10:56]
mircea_popescu the proper way to say it about a negative is "this excludes" or "this accounts for". so which of the two ? [10:57]
mircea_popescu also [10:58]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 6774+5927+1408+315+81 [10:58]
gribble 14505 [10:58]
mircea_popescu not 14541 [10:58]
mircea_popescu a nm, dyslexia strikes again lol. 351 [10:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35500 @ 0.00034219 = 12.1477 BTC [+] {2} [11:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66309 @ 0.000341 = 22.6114 BTC [-] [11:16]
cazalla mircea_popescu, it means i have already deducted what needed removing [11:24]
mircea_popescu cool. [11:24]
mircea_popescu [11:24]
assbot Qntra (S.QNTR) November 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [11:24]
cazalla mircea_popescu: the proper way to say it about a negative is "this excludes" or "this accounts for". so which of the two ? <<< will keep in mind for december [11:28]
mircea_popescu lol [11:28]
mircea_popescu it's so disonant for me, fucking summer over here. xmas is coming ? hum. [11:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00034257 = 3.3058 BTC [+] [11:29]
cazalla white xmas in romania? [11:31]
mircea_popescu always [11:32]
mircea_popescu << monthly chart looks like a fucking coronary [11:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90500 @ 0.00034087 = 30.8487 BTC [-] {2} [11:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30155 @ 0.00034016 = 10.2575 BTC [-] {2} [11:47]
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cazalla still not a peep out of bitpay despite their promise that this years bitcoin black friday would be bigger than previous year [11:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65316 @ 0.00033898 = 22.1408 BTC [-] {2} [11:57]
mircea_popescu awww. [12:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46450 @ 0.00034602 = 16.0726 BTC [+] {2} [12:09]
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punkman supposed to be winter here, a balmy 24 C [12:19]
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mircea_popescu heh [12:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70939 @ 0.00033872 = 24.0285 BTC [-] {3} [12:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00033857 = 9.1075 BTC [-] [12:36]
mircea_popescu !t m s.qntr [12:43]
assbot [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (297 shares, 0.04 BTC), 7D: 0.00015 / 0.00015 / 0.00015 (297 shares, 0.04 BTC), 30D: 0.00013514 / 0.00013792 / 0.00015 (4411 shares, 0.61 BTC) [12:43]
mircea_popescu lol the cuteness. [12:43]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 109786 * 0.00013792 [12:43]
gribble 15.14168512 [12:43]
mircea_popescu 15 btc mkt cap! [12:43]
mircea_popescu and one of those rare situations where there's more buyside than the whole equity, by a wide margin. even if you discount the penny offers. [12:45]
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punkman [13:02]
assbot BBC News - Vinyl record sales hit 18-year high ... ( ) [13:02]
mircea_popescu anyone still has a tardstalk account ? [13:03]
cazalla i can just see one of these donking off player funds in some degen moment [13:03]
assbot Michael Mizrachi AKA The Grinder To Launch Bitcoin Based Poker Site | ... ( ) [13:03]
mircea_popescu me2. [13:03]
cazalla can't remember my tardstalk account pwd [13:04]
cazalla looks like matonis is a fan of qntra [13:15]
assbot ... ( ) [13:15]
mircea_popescu how much stock you gonna put in twitter lists. [13:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27480 @ 0.00034541 = 9.4919 BTC [+] {2} [13:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7389 @ 0.00034622 = 2.5582 BTC [+] [13:18]
cazalla not much considering i'm still waiting to be unbanned for making violent threats which i did not even make [13:20]
cazalla least they can do is unban, allow me to make threats, reapply ban [13:21]
mircea_popescu lol [13:28]
mircea_popescu care less, live longer. [13:29]
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adlai < of all people, you should only tolerate tax rates up to 10% [13:58]
assbot Logged on 01-12-2014 04:41:18; decimation: I'm okay with a high VAT/GST/sales tax if it comes with no income tax [13:58]
mircea_popescu [13:59]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ^ [13:59]
assbot BitBet (S.BBET) November 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [13:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38154 @ 0.00034079 = 13.0025 BTC [-] {2} [14:00]
mircea_popescu tl;dr : best month since may 2013 [14:00]
nubbins` ooo [14:03]
mircea_popescu course may-april 2013 15 btc was like 50 bux. [14:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18011 @ 0.00034622 = 6.2358 BTC [+] [14:10]
mircea_popescu so i was thinking, aren't these dating sites and dating generally completely inequitable ? [14:10]
mircea_popescu why should companies not be allowed to only hire white people, but dudes dating be allowed to only date women ? or straight people ? or w/e ? [14:11]
mircea_popescu i hope the rainbow party doesn't stop with the gay marriage victory and goes to the core of the problem. [14:11]
adlai "this is not even my final form!" - socialism [14:11]
mircea_popescu equal fucking opportunity dating! [14:11]
mircea_popescu one shouldn't be rejected merely because he is allegedly of the wrong gender. [14:11]
mircea_popescu adlai lol quite. [14:11]
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adlai it's funny/perfectlylogical how the biggest dating site is also the biggest gun running site [14:13]
punkman which one is that? [14:14]
adlai well, maybe not gun *running*, but it's definitely a brisker trade than SR [14:14]
adlai facebook [14:14]
mircea_popescu adlai yep. yet somehow that never gets mentioned. [14:15]
mircea_popescu "feds close down 5 dedicated bitcoin-based drug trading sites, accounting together for <1% of online drug trade. the principal drug trading hub online, facebook, remains unaffected" [14:15]
mircea_popescu cazalla ^ perspective for teh next time lol. it didn't occur to me back then [14:16]
punkman topix is pretty big with drug sellers [14:16]
mircea_popescu o is it / [14:17]
punkman or rather was [14:17]
punkman [14:17]
assbot Silk Road may be gone, but Topix is still a haven for drug dealers | The Verge ... ( ) [14:17]
mircea_popescu aha [14:17]
mircea_popescu so they even know about, just, won't mention the bezzle corps. [14:17]
nubbins` sms is full of drug dealers [14:18]
nubbins` but it's decentralized [14:18]
mircea_popescu doies tribune still own topix btw ? [14:18]
punkman example: [14:20]
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assbot Oxy pain meds in NYC - Topix ... ( ) [14:20]
punkman [14:21]
assbot Oxycodone In Montreal - Topix ... ( ) [14:21]
mircea_popescu stil lthis entire "pills are drugs nao" online kiddie kick ? [14:21]
adlai iirc pain pills are the most-addicted-to drug in bezzland, followed by mood pills [14:22]
mircea_popescu Topix's main user base consists of posters from small cities and towns in the United States, particularly those with several thousand or hundred residents. Few people from major American cities use Topix. Topix has a large following in Appalachia, rural areas in the Southern United States, and the Ozarks. Discussions that traditionally took place in person in rural areas began to be posted on Topix. Chris Tolles, the c [14:22]
mircea_popescu hief executive of Topix LLC, said that Topix is very popular in "the feud states". [14:22]
mircea_popescu ahaha check that shit out. i had no idea. [14:22]
mircea_popescu adlai i have nfi how you can be "addicted" to oxycodone. [14:23]
adlai same way you can be "addicted" to heroin? [14:23]
punkman those idiots actually try to smoke or IV pills [14:23]
adlai you don't have to own a needle or a crack pipe to be an addict [14:23]
punkman or all the retarded kids that crush up ritalin and snort it [14:24]
mircea_popescu the oxycodone aka heorin argument sounds to me like a hipster's bike aka armored persone carrier argument [14:24]
mircea_popescu sure, they both got wheels. o.O [14:24]
mircea_popescu punkman back when i was that age, idiots snorted powdered sugar, to pretend like they're whatever. [14:25]
mircea_popescu movie stars i guess. [14:25]
mircea_popescu visotsky, whatever. [14:26]
cazalla i'll stick to nutmeg and banana skins [14:26]
mircea_popescu cazalla you know most of not-totally-poor africa makes brisk trade in fake papyrus made out of banana peels ? [14:26]
mircea_popescu they paint that shit and sell it to idiot whitey by the barge. [14:27]
cazalla i would not know this, i thought jenkem was only export [14:27]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> adlai i have nfi how you can be "addicted" to oxycodone. <<< uhhhh.... o.O [14:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59375 @ 0.00033786 = 20.0604 BTC [-] {2} [14:29]
nubbins` "once the initial buzz or hit has worn down, most addicts report that their is little to no difference between H or Oxycodone" [14:30]
mircea_popescu what do these holy users of all-knowing importance report of the difference between windows and ubuntu ? [14:30]
mircea_popescu i totally care what a bunch of fucktards report, it's like, tantamout to science this. [14:30]
adlai well being addicted to the rush is a whole separate beast [14:31]
mircea_popescu "most people report sun and moon visibly the same size to naked eye" [14:31]
adlai "most people blinded by mysterious occurence at noon. more news at 1pm" [14:32]
mircea_popescu wait, no, i got better. "most eaters report no substandial difference between i-cant-believe-its-not-butter and butter" [14:32]
nubbins` let me try another tack [14:32]
mircea_popescu i was having fun with this one ;/ [14:32]
mircea_popescu i was saving the "their" even! [14:33]
nubbins` you have no fucking idea how people can get addicted to snorting opiates, compressing a controlled 24-hour release into about half an hour? [14:33]
nubbins` lel @ their ;/ [14:33]
nubbins` their is three errors in this sentance [14:33]
mircea_popescu oxycodone is an "opiate" in the sense your average 300 lb social sciences postgrad is a "woman" [14:33]
mircea_popescu ie, nominally. [14:34]
adlai what are we even arguing about though? [14:34]
mircea_popescu NOT functionally. [14:34]
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adlai there are still poppy tea addicts today, too [14:34]
nubbins` hm. [14:34]
adlai so what? [14:34]
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nubbins` would you call morphine an opiate? [14:34]
mircea_popescu yes. [14:34]
nubbins` suppose i told you that oxycodone is 1.5x the strength? [14:34]
mircea_popescu i definitely can see how one can be addicted to morphine. [14:34]
mircea_popescu on what, molar basis ? [14:35]
adlai probably binding affinity? [14:35]
nubbins` i've erased enough chem from my brain to not be able to definitively say "yes" to that, but i mean 10mg of morphine = 6.67mg of oxy [14:36]
nubbins` [14:36]
assbot Opioid converter, opioid conversions, pain management. ... ( ) [14:36]
nubbins` "equianalgesic" [14:36]
mircea_popescu nubbins` they're rather close anyway, so mass works nearly good enough [14:37]
nubbins` well there ya go. [14:37]
nubbins` anyway, with orally-taken morphine as a "1" [14:37]
nubbins` oxys are a 1.5, IV/IM morphine is a 3 [14:37]
adlai these are child opiates though, let's compare them to fentanyl [14:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, that's more of a cargo-cultapproach to this science ("i know it's strong because this is how the doctors use it") [14:38]
nubbins` fentanyl is in the 50-100 range [14:38]
mircea_popescu as best i can see, oxycodone is more like codeine than heroin. [14:38]
nubbins` codeine's listed as 1/10 [14:38]
* nubbins` shrugs [14:38]
nubbins` i can only imagine there are endless clinical trials behind these numbers [14:39]
nubbins` but anyway. [14:39]
nubbins` people get addicted to oxy like nothing else [14:39]
mircea_popescu yes, but geared towards a different set of objectives. [14:39]
nubbins` it's available everywhere -- WAY more readily so than street opiates [14:39]
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mircea_popescu let me put it this way : make a buffet with 10 lb bowls of pure powder. [14:39]
mircea_popescu one of each substance you test [14:39]
mircea_popescu see what % usage you meet. [14:40]
mircea_popescu how many people will be snorting your oxycodone when heroin directly available right next to it ? [14:40]
adlai can we fill the third bowl with salvinorin B? [14:40]
nubbins` HEH [14:40]
nubbins` adlai salv A only [14:40]
adlai *ethoxymethyl ether [14:40]
nubbins` mircea_popescu sure, but this is not an argument against oxy's addictive qualities [14:41]
mircea_popescu right... [14:41]
mircea_popescu because logic ? [14:41]
nubbins` people will choose filet mignon over a big mac, doesn't mean they're not picking up mcd's every day on the ride home [14:41]
mircea_popescu "i'm in love with X, manifested by the fact that whenever there's no naked swimsuit models splayed on my bedspread, i fuck X" [14:41]
mircea_popescu nubbins` so then are they fucking addicted to the big mac lawl. [14:42]
nubbins` love != addiction [14:42]
mircea_popescu orly. [14:42]
adlai there are also reasons outside pharmacology [14:42]
nubbins` ^ (let's see what tangent this spawns) [14:42]
* adlai wouldn't be surprised if many americans addicted to oxy, never took a "real drug" before [14:42]
nubbins` ^ [14:42]
nubbins` most of the addicts here are on pharms [14:42]
adlai it's the gateway pill! [14:43]
adlai that, or xanax [14:43]
mircea_popescu "oxycodone : how the idiot generation is getting all the drawbacks of opioid dosing with none of the benefits" [14:43]
mircea_popescu so much of contemporary us is all about being incredibly stupid... [14:43]
nubbins` there are benefits? [14:43]
adlai no, that's kratom [14:43]
nubbins` i mean, sure, if you're a musician [14:43]
nubbins` take up heroin, you'll make your best work [14:43]
nubbins` but otherwise? [14:43]
mircea_popescu nubbins` and if you're not a musician NOBODY WILL HEAR ABOUT IT [14:43]
nubbins` ^ [14:43]
mircea_popescu still your best work, just, shitty & obscure. like you. [14:43]
adlai "I think the dark side of the moon is worth 100 dead kids" - maher [14:44]
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nubbins` adlai incidentally i was in a buyer's club for salvia for a period of time [14:44]
punkman adlai: kratom's pretty interesting [14:44]
nubbins` mad bulk discounts [14:44]
mircea_popescu dude srsly, chewing treebark ? [14:44]
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mircea_popescu shall there be no end of this "i smoke oregano the older kids sold to me as a mockery BECAUSE I ENJOY IT!" [14:45]
nubbins` srsly, lighting plants on fire and breathing the smoke? ;/ [14:45]
mircea_popescu fucking denial of doom... [14:45]
* adlai has never tried verified salvia, the one time somebody brought over "salvia" it was more similar to expired mint leaves, and about as potent [14:45]
mircea_popescu let's all be ironic and smoke cow dung. [14:45]
nubbins` "Kratom behaves as a μ-opioid receptor" [14:45]
nubbins` :o [14:45]
nubbins` well til [14:45]
mircea_popescu adlai i had a bush in my garden [14:45]
adlai that's nothing, i had two in my white house [14:46]
mircea_popescu and no, i never fucking smoked it. [14:46]
nubbins` also incidentally, salvinorin is a kappa-opiod agonist [14:46]
nubbins` but not an opiate [14:46]
adlai salvia is like an anti-opiate [14:46]
nubbins` it's like an anti-drug [14:46]
punkman nubbins`: cup of kratom tea, great substitute for coffee [14:46]
adlai you take one hit bro and you're not addicted anymore, man, you can do anything you want [14:46]
nubbins` punkman: hit of 10x salvia extract, great substitute for a ten-strip of owsley acid [14:47]
adlai how is a cup of a mild opiate a great substitute for a mild stim [14:47]
adlai too much logic in here [14:47]
* adlai dogwalks [14:47]
mircea_popescu logic is a drug! [14:47]
nubbins` ^ [14:47]
punkman adlai, it's also a stimulant in small doses [14:47]
mircea_popescu love is the logic antidrug [14:47]
nubbins` iirc salvinorin is actually the most potent naturally-occuring drug [14:47]
mircea_popescu and addiction is merely bioactive irony [14:47]
adlai "TV is the first electric drug... somebody else's trip, plus advertisements" - mckenna [14:47]
nubbins` heh [14:48]
nubbins` my cells are screaming in pain ironically [14:48]
adlai addiction is brilliant, for the plants [14:48]
mircea_popescu nubbins` they pretend like it's painful... but it's not. [14:48]
mircea_popescu ha-ha. [14:48]
adlai your brain cells LOVE addiction [14:48]
adlai maybe a few don't, but nobody listens to them anymore [14:48]
mircea_popescu my brain is almost entirely made of this later sort. [14:48]
mircea_popescu no black brain cells over here. [14:49]
nubbins` so you think [14:49]
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mircea_popescu i kinda know, actually. [14:49]
adlai I guess nobody listens to you anymore! :P [14:52]
mircea_popescu totally. [14:52]
mats_cd03 salvia is filthy [14:52]
nubbins` i'd paint it more as intensely bizarre [14:53]
nubbins` it's wholly unlike anything else [14:53]
mats_cd03 felt like needles on my skin and dying [14:53]
mats_cd03 nothx [14:53]
nubbins` heh. [14:53]
nubbins` i experienced complete synesthesia once on it [14:53]
nubbins` classical hallucinogens like lsd, psilo, etc will fuck with / change / alter your perceptions [14:54]
nubbins` "the carpet is moving" "the walls are bleeding" etc [14:54]
nubbins` salvia just drops you into another place entirely. you're not sitting on your bed looking at your bedside table, you're in the produce section of the grocery store watching people smell your colors [14:55]
nubbins` or you're a sheet of wallpaper in a strange room [14:55]
nubbins` or w/e [14:55]
mircea_popescu eh get out. [14:55]
* nubbins` shrugs [14:55]
nubbins` i didn't grok "weird" until i tried salvia [14:56]
mircea_popescu takes a very impressionable sort. it's more you than it's it [14:56]
nubbins` i thought i did, but nope. [14:56]
punkman was a long time, but I can attest to that [14:56]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i vehemently disagree [14:56]
mircea_popescu and for that money, you could probably have the same results if you just sat on your back and watched the clouds go by long enough [14:56]
nubbins` bahaha [14:56]
mats_cd03 ive never felt that fucked up on anything other than salvia [14:56]
mats_cd03 and it will only be that one time in high school [14:57]
nubbins` mircea_popescu while i can't quantify my "impressionability", you're so far off-base here that i don't know where to begin [14:57]
cazalla i took 2 aspirin instead of 1 once upon a time [14:57]
nubbins` salvia puts you on fucking mars. [14:57]
cazalla i watched some guys have awful trips on salvia on youtube, you couldn't pay me to smoke that [14:57]
mircea_popescu nubbins` didn't put him on mars, what of that ? [14:57]
punkman can be hard to get the right dose [14:58]
nubbins` mircea_popescu the vaporization point of salvinorin is far higher than the temperature of the cherried, smouldering plant. you can quite easily "smoke it wrong". [14:58]
nubbins` correct method is to blast it with a butane torch while inhaling [14:58]
mircea_popescu some people get really elated watching theatre. heck, most 9yos spend the rest of the day doing weirdo dance move things after their first action movie experience. [14:59]
nubbins` otherwise, little to no effects, mostly uncomfortable physical feelings [14:59]
mircea_popescu "they're superman nao!" [14:59]
* nubbins` shakes head [14:59]
mircea_popescu doesn't this thing burn at all ? [15:00]
nubbins` if i'm parsing this correctly, you're equating a salvia high to a form of elevated excitement [15:00]
mircea_popescu seems to me if high temperature is required the correct approach is not a butane torch but a thermostat hotplate. [15:00]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` im merely bringing the argument that an inclination to be impressed with what one sees and a tendency to get excited about what's directly seen is more a thing of youth than a thing of humanity. [15:01]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: certainly, and there's no argument on that point. [15:01]
mircea_popescu in the same vein with "i won a million bucks in the reader's digest mailing, look!" [15:01]
nubbins` however, i'd taken relatively large doses of several different hallucinogens by the time i discovered salvia [15:02]
mircea_popescu well if there's no argument on that point, then there's no argument on the "watch the clouds" point either [15:02]
mircea_popescu they being the same. [15:02]
nubbins` and i knew precisely what hallucination vs impression/excitability was [15:02]
mircea_popescu exactly, huh ? [15:02]
nubbins` and i'm telling you that about 20 seconds after you inhale a lungful of salvia smoke, everything you see and hear and feel around you is just GONE and replaced with something else. [15:02]
mircea_popescu let's translate this logic. [15:02]
nubbins` like, completely gone. [15:03]
mircea_popescu "i know exactly how garza scams, having watched a number of his scams in trhe past, and i can assure you this one's legit" [15:03]
nubbins` not "o i feel funny" [15:03]
mircea_popescu something like that ? [15:03]
nubbins` but "o, i am physically in a different place" [15:03]
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nubbins` or "o, it feels like my jaw has detached from my head and is wrapping tightly around my neck, coil after unending coil" [15:04]
nubbins` or "o, how long was i out? who broke all this glass?" [15:05]
mircea_popescu this happens to me naturally anyway. [15:05]
nubbins` well i guess you don't need to smoke salvia [15:05]
mircea_popescu !s "how long was i asleep" [15:05]
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mircea_popescu eh gtfo. [15:05]
nubbins` can't, i'm a lord or smth [15:05]
mircea_popescu not you lol, assbot [15:05]
nubbins` HEH [15:05]
mircea_popescu i know i've said it dozens of times! THOUSANDS! [15:05]
* danielpbarron has smoked salvia [15:06]
nubbins` hyperbole aside, i actually cannot recommend that anyone try smoking salvia [15:06]
nubbins` i don't want the responsibility [15:06]
mircea_popescu "you forgot your panties in my bed" "but i don't wear panties ?" "oh shit... um..." [15:06]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron so how was it ? [15:07]
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danielpbarron the most strange experience of my life [15:07]
nubbins` ^ [15:07]
nubbins` <+nubbins`> i didn't grok "weird" until i tried salvia [15:08]
danielpbarron and i've done dmt lsd and shrooms [15:08]
mircea_popescu fine, what do i know. [15:08]
danielpbarron felt like i became the hardwood floor i was lying on [15:08]
nubbins` less than you think you do 8) [15:08]
punkman someone sent mp some salvia :P [15:09]
nubbins` <+nubbins`> or you're a sheet of wallpaper in a strange room [15:09]
punkman *send [15:09]
nubbins` he's a grown-up, he can buy his own ;p [15:09]
nubbins` i guess it's probably still legal in .ar [15:09]
nubbins` the concentrates are better / easier [15:10]
nubbins` plain leaf requires the inhalation of plumes of smoke [15:10]
nubbins` v hard on the lungs [15:10]
punkman plain leaf is impossible [15:10]
danielpbarron i used 10x or something [15:10]
nubbins` 5x and 10x, i tried [15:10]
nubbins` you need an impossibly small amount [15:10]
nubbins` like, people would lel. [15:10]
nubbins` "i need more than that" [15:10]
nubbins` 5 minutes later, wiping tears off their face [15:11]
punkman I got a bunch of now respectable people, drooling like idiots on video [15:11]
nubbins` telling them it's okay [15:11]
nubbins` punkman the DROOL [15:12]
nubbins` smth else, hey? [15:12]
nubbins` *sluuurp* i've never had a buzz *sluuuurp* like this bef...... [15:12]
punkman uncontrollable salivation [15:12]
danielpbarron salvia does kinda feel like an anti-opiate; it feels like the opposite of comfortable [15:12]
punkman so it wasn't just me [15:12]
nubbins` (vacant gaze for 20mins) [15:12]
mircea_popescu so this is the drug of dog ? [15:12]
nubbins` if it grew in another part of the world they woulda called it soma [15:13]
nubbins` punkman massiva salivation and internal organs being pulled to one side [15:13]
nubbins` *massive [15:13]
nubbins` is generally how the come-up was for me [15:14]
nubbins` then generally the room/space/forest/whatever would fill with a heavy static buzz, upward from the ground [15:14]
nubbins` then you lose yourself [15:14]
nubbins` man. this was like ten years ago. [15:15]
punkman first time wtih 5x, I remember having a 20min conversation with my keyboard [15:15]
nubbins` it's burned into my fucking brain. [15:15]
punkman yeah 10+ years ago [15:15]
nubbins` my first time with 5x i had a mental conversation in a language i didn't speak with an old woman [15:15]
nubbins` who happened to be standing in my bedroom. which was actually a farm. [15:16]
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nubbins` "Based on my own experiments using an adjustable thermocouple-controlled heat gun, I found that the ideal airstream temperature for vaporizing salvinorin A from dried leaves is approximately 277° C" [15:17]
nubbins` well there ya go [15:17]
nubbins` my oven doesn't get that hot [15:18]
mircea_popescu how can your oven not get that hot ?! [15:19]
* nubbins` shrugs [15:20]
punkman nubbins`: did you ever try a tincture? I always wondered how that worked [15:20]
nubbins` 500F is the max [15:20]
nubbins` that's what, 260C? [15:20]
nubbins` punkman never tried, nope [15:21]
nubbins` i suppose if i set it to broil it'd get however hot [15:21]
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punkman well maybe I'll give it a shot after a decade [15:21]
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nubbins` bring a sitter [15:22]
punkman *another decade, not keen on smoking salvia any time soon [15:23]
nubbins` it does not lend itself to addiction [15:23]
punkman indeed [15:24]
nubbins` i guess i should be binding books [15:24]
nubbins` we actually sold out on saturday and now there's like 25 on backorder [15:24]
punkman doing more bird stuff? [15:24]
nubbins` same stuff [15:24]
nubbins` first menu link [15:25]
assbot ... ( ) [15:25]
nubbins` er directly [15:25]
assbot Birds Of Newfoundland — PATRICK THOMAS CANNING ... ( ) [15:25]
* punkman sneaks off to order some mitragyna speciosa [15:26]
nubbins` 8) [15:26]
adlai < mdma. dogs be rollin all day. [15:28]
assbot Logged on 01-12-2014 13:09:41; mircea_popescu: so this is the drug of dog ? [15:28]
punkman nubbins`: pretty expensive [15:28]
nubbins` no doubt [15:28]
nubbins` ordered from them ages ago [15:28]
nubbins` was surprised to see them still running [15:28]
nubbins` i think i bought some HBWR seeds from there [15:28]
* adlai is most curious these days to try [15:29]
assbot Erowid Calea zacatechichi Vault ... ( ) [15:29]
nubbins` is that the dream one? [15:29]
nubbins` also erowid accepts btc [15:30]
*jurov* OK. There's a withdrawal, too. [15:30]
adlai yes and yes [15:31]
punkman these guys take BTC, can recommend: [15:31]
assbot Bikhuk Kratom Powder - Ethnobotanicals buy direct from the source!: Buy Kratom ... ( ) [15:31]
adlai well erowid doesn't accept btc in the same way as those guys :) [15:31]
nubbins` heh [15:31]
nubbins` nope [15:31]
nubbins` oh hey, the EU banned 25I-NBOMe in september [15:32]
nubbins` #bitcoin-alkaloids ;p [15:33]
adlai elaborating on the earlier theme of addiction being brilliant for plants: [15:34]
assbot Ophiocordyceps unilateralis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [15:34]
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adlai this is a bit of an extreme example, and some people would claim that humans get something out of the relationship, ie, psychoactive plants are symbiotic, not parasites [15:35]
nubbins` fwiw i think psychoactives are more denfense mechanisms than anything [15:35]
nubbins` show me an animal (besides your dog) that eats weed plants [15:36]
punkman adlai, Michael Pollan et al? [15:36]
adlai my dog eats weed!? [15:36]
nubbins` adlai, only when you're not looking. [15:36]
nubbins` not too surprising from a creature that will greedily eat feces without compunction [15:37]
adlai he puked a turd a few days ago [15:37]
nubbins` right?> [15:37]
nubbins` that's pigeon-level stupidity [15:37]
adlai to his credit, of all the dogs I've met, he's got the best grasp of newtonian mechanics [15:38]
adlai there is no fooling him [15:38]
nubbins` bit of a wash with non-newtonian tho hey? [15:38]
adlai yeah he was so confused after interstellar [15:38]
adlai "urf?" [15:38]
nubbins` heh [15:38]
nubbins` well don't ever buy him any silly putty [15:38]
mircea_popescu nubbins` horse enjoys a good beer... [15:40]
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punkman I've seen dog enjoying beer as well [15:40]
adlai punkman: haven't seen this before. ( ) it's not quite what I was describing, though [15:40]
assbot The Botany of Desire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( ) [15:40]
adlai or rather, he's only looking at one *psychoactive* plant, and he's looking at it from the plant's perspective [15:41]
nubbins` oh sure [15:41]
nubbins` look at orchids [15:41]
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adlai i'm also suspicious of any researcher who's named after his subjects' gametes [15:42]
nubbins` there are species that still imitate the appearance of their once-favoured pollinators, now long extinct [15:42]
nubbins` [15:42]
assbot A flower hints at the appearance of an extinct bee « Why Evolution Is True ... ( ) [15:42]
adlai mircea_popescu: graphs on mpex have been wonky today [15:42]
mircea_popescu wonky how ? [15:43]
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adlai they don't all display on the main page, sometimes all do, sometimes one or two missing. sometimes they're missing from the asset page too. [15:45]
mircea_popescu a. yeah. [15:45]
adlai right now S.WOL is missing [15:45]
adlai it has already been established that you sabotage your own uptime to test our attentiveness... [15:45]
mircea_popescu transient situation. [15:46]
adlai nubbins`: this is my favorite evolution story: [15:46]
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mircea_popescu (also, swol is not missing, just, nothing there) [15:46]
adlai well, earlier mpoe was missing [15:47]
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adlai first time I didn't mention it, second time I mentioned it but it was back by the time you asked "wonky how" [15:47]
mircea_popescu ya. [15:47]
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adlai why would you have a "featured in" section with images of newspapers, but no links to the actual article!? [15:58]
* adlai refuses to link the site because they don't deserve the publicity of getting laughed at [15:58]
adlai suffice it to say that it's one of the zillion worthless "bitcoin startups" [15:58]
mircea_popescu because they saw it on some other site [16:01]
mircea_popescu or more likely, because the theme they ripped came with the icons. [16:01]
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adlai "Tech, 24.87832294 BTC" awfully specific... [16:04]
mircea_popescu kinda no practical way to make these not relate to one another [16:05]
adlai punkman: seen ? [16:05]
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mircea_popescu adlai ^ [16:06]
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adlai oic [16:06]
adlai !s definitive advertising network [16:08]
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adlai lol [16:13]
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adlai mircea_popescu: why does it want an extra 35.56b [16:14]
mircea_popescu adlai huh ? [16:19]
mircea_popescu anyway, that was the van network, it was actuve for like a month. [16:19]
adlai "Please send exactly 0.01003556 BTC to 1btcaddressblabla" [16:20]
mircea_popescu to identify you. [16:20]
* adlai mutters something about the benefits of address reuse [16:22]
mircea_popescu namely ? [16:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53117 @ 0.00034107 = 18.1166 BTC [-] {2} [16:23]
adlai one address per customer makes it easier to tell which payment comes from which customer [16:23]
mircea_popescu right. [16:23]
mircea_popescu ;;nethash [16:26]
gribble 309546849.256 [16:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.10745861 = 5.3729 BTC [+] {9} [16:27]
mircea_popescu it also happens to be the wrong thing. it makes it easier for ~everyone~, which is bad for user privacy. it requires more complexity, which costs money and opens the door to errors [16:28]
mircea_popescu as kraken found out the hard way. [16:28]
adlai and this can't happen with a shitty implementation (or user error) of discrimination based on dust-level change? [16:28]
mircea_popescu meanwhile using a single address has no cost associated, other than you know, one particular string of eight digits as opposed to another particular string of eight digits. [16:28]
mircea_popescu adlai anything can happen, but if you don't need a database you have less exposure to the things that can happen. [16:29]
adlai you don't need a database to associate pending payments to their dust amount? [16:29]
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mircea_popescu nope. [16:30]
adlai what if shit happens between invoicing and payment? [16:30]
mircea_popescu like ? [16:30]
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adlai server restarts for whatever reason, first thing it sees on startup is a payment with some amount of dust. how does it know which customer was issued that specific dust request, before the reboot? [16:31]
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mircea_popescu you're aware that when you make an order you get sent an email. right ? [16:32]
* adlai doesn't have dementia, yet [16:33]
mircea_popescu so it looks if it sent a mail for that amount. if it does and the recipient correctly hashes to it, it sends it an email with teh code. [16:34]
mircea_popescu not like it matters if it's rebooted or anything. [16:34]
adlai "recipient correctly hashes to it" missing piece of the puzzle [16:34]
mircea_popescu :p [16:34]
mircea_popescu but i enjoyed tormenting you with it fwiw [16:34]
mircea_popescu srsly nao, isn't it obvious by now, whenever immutability is achieved without a db, a hash was involved ? [16:35]
* adlai suspected something of the sort, but hasn't yet received his jump-to-conclusions mat [16:35]
mircea_popescu aok [16:35]
adlai and when you're high enough, what's hashing if not a lookup in the database of MATHEMATICS ITSELF [16:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44225 @ 0.00035046 = 15.4991 BTC [+] [16:36]
mircea_popescu :) [16:37]
mircea_popescu anyway, as a general point : breaking the address <-> user relation is the most important thing to do for bitcoin's success on an individual level. [16:37]
mircea_popescu worst fucking idea, not reusing addresses. [16:37]
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mircea_popescu the more ambiguous they are, the better. [16:37]
adlai too many negatives there... you're saying that reusing addresses makes them more ambiguous? [16:38]
nubbins` it makes the use thereof more ambiguous [16:39]
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mircea_popescu they're separate clauses. [16:39]
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mircea_popescu not reusing addresses is a bad idea ; reusing them makes them more ambiguous, which is good. [16:39]
adlai how? reuse ties two transactions together as having been signed by the same entity. this is OK for eg a business wanting to operate transparently, but less so for an individual wanting privacy [16:40]
mircea_popescu explain, because the logic doesn't follow. [16:40]
adlai Alice wants to pay Bob a bitcoin. She has one address with 2btc, so she creates a transaction sending bob one bitcoin, and one bitcoin change back to her own address. it's trivial to tell which bitcoin is alice's, and which is bob's. [16:42]
adlai scenario 2 - alice creates a transaction paying 1btc to one address, and 1btc to another. it's not trivial to tell (just from the transactions) which address belongs to whom. [16:42]
adlai lots more work for Eve [16:43]
mircea_popescu so you like to think. [16:43]
nubbins` i think you are both using different concepts of "reuse" [16:43]
mircea_popescu moreover, look at it in its proper light. [16:43]
adlai nubbins`: possibly, i'm against concept reuse :P [16:43]
mircea_popescu "adlai, you are charged before this court with high crimes of having derped on the internet in a forbidden manner" [16:43]
mircea_popescu "what proof do you have ?" [16:43]
nubbins` secnario 3: adlai and nubs each send a tx to 1mpexblahblah. they send their change wherever they like. [16:43]
mircea_popescu "you've paid to address X!" [16:43]
mircea_popescu "mnope" [16:43]
mircea_popescu "well but somebody did!" [16:44]
mircea_popescu "sure. lots of people. what's your point ?" [16:44]
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mircea_popescu the key to escaping responsibility if being one of a group that did whatever. the way to implement this in bitcoin is through address reuse. [16:45]
nubbins` "but if all the movies go into the bin behind the movie return slot, how will they know who is returning their movies?" [16:45]
adlai "this address, which has previously been associated with you, made on of those transactions" [16:45]
mircea_popescu "associated" how ? [16:45]
mircea_popescu once this one use per address thing goes away, "associated" is a lolzword. [16:45]
adlai "you paid for your 1000btc porsche from it" [16:45]
mircea_popescu "wasn't me" [16:46]
adlai "kept the change, then paid address X later on" [16:46]
mircea_popescu "wasn't me" [16:46]
adlai ok, let's take the porsche then cuz it's evidently not yours! [16:46]
nubbins` adlai this is an argument against payout address reuse by individuals [16:46]
nubbins` mpex situation is accounts receivable address reuse [16:46]
mircea_popescu yeah nubbins has it. there's a difference here. [16:46]
adlai right [16:46]
nubbins` which afaict has no problems [16:46]
mircea_popescu bitbet does the same thing, it reuses addresses liberally. [16:46]
adlai [16:47]
assbot Logged on 01-12-2014 14:37:30; adlai: how? reuse ties two transactions together as having been signed by the same entity. this is OK for eg a business wanting to operate transparently, but less so for an individual wanting privacy [16:47]
mircea_popescu nothing to do with transparency really. [16:47]
mircea_popescu everything to do with the very privacy of the users. [16:47]
nubbins` adlai i mean obviously buying $100k of btc from a government-approved exchange, immediately purchasing a porsche with it, keeping change in same address, buying H from silk road, keeping change in same address, buying mpex shares, etc etc [16:48]
adlai well it also gives transparency, as long as the people looking in trust that the business uses only those addresses [16:48]
nubbins` is a bad idea [16:48]
nubbins` but does this really need to be stated? :S [16:48]
mircea_popescu adlai sure but that's difficult to verify [16:49]
* nubbins` puts on a t-shirt with his home address and times when he will be away from his house, then goes to buy drugs w/ gold coins [16:49]
adlai don't forget to label your keys too [16:49]
nubbins` natch [16:49]
nubbins` address reuse also thwarts phishing attempts [16:50]
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mircea_popescu certainly. [16:50]
mircea_popescu and in so doing provides the perfect pill against the hearn idiocy of "let's import heardbleed into btc [16:50]
nubbins` the forum is riddled with stories of scammers preying on group buys by PMing people saying "hey its me, adlai`, plz to send btc to 1Scamblahblah" [16:50]
mircea_popescu it'll work fine if we call it PKI instead" [16:50]
adlai nubbins`: aka the idiot tax [16:51]
adlai as slimy as phish may be, it's a key part of our survival as a species [16:51]
nubbins` ehhhhhhhh [16:51]
* adlai actually heard the words "they said it in the factory tour, so it's probably true" a few days ago [16:52]
nubbins` key part of our survival as economic creatures [16:52]
mircea_popescu it's a key part of the survival OF WOMEN [16:52]
adlai ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu ! [16:52]
nubbins` !s WOMEN from:mircea_popescu [16:52]
assbot 700 results for 'WOMEN from:mircea_popescu' : [16:53]
mircea_popescu !s drugs from:nubbins` [16:53]
assbot 59 results for 'drugs from:nubbins`' : [16:53]
mircea_popescu psss [16:53]
nubbins` kek [16:53]
nubbins` dat case, dat point [16:53]
mircea_popescu [16:53]
assbot #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( ) [16:53]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 59/ 20746 / 700 / 111250 [16:54]
gribble 0 [16:54]
mircea_popescu SEE! [16:54]
* adlai won't look at those until they're on bloomberg (due to customer demand) [16:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69900 @ 0.00035116 = 24.5461 BTC [+] {2} [16:55]
mircea_popescu !s men from:mircea_popescu [16:55]
assbot 288 results for 'men from:mircea_popescu' : [16:55]
mircea_popescu well at least i'm not gay. [16:55]
mircea_popescu !s anal from:mircea_popescu [16:55]
assbot 52 results for 'anal from:mircea_popescu' : [16:55]
mircea_popescu !s sex from:mircea_popescu [16:55]
assbot 253 results for 'sex from:mircea_popescu' : [16:55]
mircea_popescu hey, that's actually kinda accurate. [16:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94500 @ 0.00035156 = 33.2224 BTC [+] {2} [16:57]
assbot 14 results for 'oral from:mircea_popescu' : [16:57]
adlai it'd be kinda cool to work for nsa or whoever have !s over everything everybody has ever said [16:57]
assbot 0 results for 'oral to:mircea_popescu << nanotube this should be implemented' : [16:58]
mircea_popescu nubbins` can you appreciate how damned rare it is, a few occurences over tens of thousands of LINES ? [16:58]
adlai probably the lizard schutzstaffel [16:58]
mircea_popescu !up kakobrekla [16:58]
-assbot- You voiced kakobrekla without time-limit. [16:58]
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mircea_popescu as in UP YOURS [16:58]
punkman adlai, anything interesting about that besided being lisp? [16:59]
adlai punkman: it seems to overlap, to some degree, the goals of the deeds project [16:59]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu: !s sex [17:00]
assbot mf doom - kookies - ... ( ) [17:00]
punkman adlai: how does it not destroy coins? [17:00]
nubbins` or i guess !s jacking off, more accurately [17:00]
mircea_popescu emails/females ? that's some hardcore rhyming. [17:01]
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mircea_popescu ima off sending some shemales some emales nao. [17:01]
adlai punkman: "Assuming each of these transactions includes a miner fee of 0.1 mbits (millibits), this would cost the proprietor 36.5 mbits a year." [17:01]
adlai (from the paper) [17:01]
nubbins` heh [17:02]
nubbins` [17:02]
assbot MF DOOM - Kookies - YouTube ... ( ) [17:02]
mircea_popescu adlai what i don't get is : some group is trying to do something punkman already did, and we're using. [17:02]
nubbins` if you want it spit instead of typed [17:02]
mircea_popescu why are you telling him about them ? tell them about him. [17:02]
punkman also, do you see any benefit in including previous metablock hash in next metablock? [17:02]
adlai how do you know I haven't told them about him? [17:02]
mircea_popescu i don't see them here. [17:02]
adlai lol [17:03]
mircea_popescu going "oh punkman, you're our idol, bless us" [17:03]
adlai availability. punkman is right here, pasting links cost nothing... [17:03]
mircea_popescu so either they're dumb or you've not told 'em and they're dumb. [17:03]
mircea_popescu yeah, but abusing availability is how availability goes away eh ? [17:03]
adlai true [17:03]
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punkman while we're on the topic, I want to make a service that fetches a URL, hashes contents, and then bundles and notarizes those. thoughts? [17:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00035112 = 3.4761 BTC [-] [17:07]
nubbins` jurov wrong bot dad [17:07]
mircea_popescu punkman as html ? [17:07]
nubbins` np [17:08]
mircea_popescu it'd be a great thing, page verification, but so many things can fuck it up. like, any page that includes the current time. a theme upgrade. [17:08]
punkman mircea_popescu: yeah but also other options. screenshots or WARC can also be done. [17:08]
nubbins` anyway good idea [17:08]
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punkman mircea_popescu: why's that a problem? [17:09]
nubbins` dat regex [17:09]
adlai the page will never verify [17:09]
nubbins` never ever [17:09]
mircea_popescu yeah, it'll be rare that it verifies so impossible to put to practical use. [17:09]
adlai if the data you hash includes a timestamp [17:09]
nubbins` which rendering engine will you use? [17:10]
punkman the service would notarize the fact that on X date, the contents were something that hashes to Y hash [17:10]
mircea_popescu yeah but... [17:10]
nubbins` how about pages that generate different html based on browser capabilities? [17:10]
mircea_popescu ^ [17:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50637 @ 0.00035194 = 17.8212 BTC [+] {2} [17:10]
adlai this could work better in tandem with something(s) that archives the page itself [17:10]
mircea_popescu there are incredibly many problems with this. kinda why html is so hated [17:10]
punkman I've considered fetching from multiple geographical locations [17:10]
punkman at extra cost [17:10]
nubbins` i mean [17:10]
mircea_popescu there's a reason the wayback machine is run as charity. [17:11]
nubbins` you're going to hash a session id? [17:11]
mircea_popescu but here's an idea : have THEM maybe use your thing ? [17:11]
adlai what about contents? [17:11]
mircea_popescu shoot them an email, hash all their pages ? [17:11]
nubbins` you and i pull down a website right now using the same browser on the same hardware, we're getting different content [17:11]
nubbins` it's unverifiable, full stop [17:11]
adlai let the user (who requests hashing site content) specify somehow the part of the site they want hashed [17:11]
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nubbins` let the user copy and paste it [17:11]
adlai then your hash confirms that this site contained a certain text [17:12]
mircea_popescu yeah but then how do you prove it's off the site. [17:12]
nubbins` bullshit it does. [17:12]
mircea_popescu pretty much the only way to do this is with sworn testimony. [17:12]
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mircea_popescu you basically have to ask someone to go there confirm your screenshot is correct. [17:12]
punkman nubbins`: preview before bundling, so you make sure it didn't need JS enabled when you only asked for HTML [17:12]
nubbins` let the user open element inspector, change the headline on to say "adlai sniffs farts", hash that and send it off [17:12]
nubbins` it proves they ran the article [17:12]
nubbins` right? [17:13]
adlai that wouldn't work unless I could change the document that punkman's bot fetched [17:13]
mircea_popescu adlai what if i select every 6th letter and it spells out "i did your mom" [17:13]
nubbins` adlai think it thru [17:13]
nubbins` punkman's bot fetched a document, right? [17:13]
punkman the idea is basically this but with signing [17:13]
assbot - webpage capture ... ( ) [17:13]
nubbins` what document did it fetch? [17:13]
adlai nubbins`: think what through? you can change whatever you want in your own browser, but you can't change the communication between bot and server without compromising somethnig [17:14]
nubbins` fuck the bot [17:14]
mircea_popescu actually... sure you can, but let's not get into the entire mitm http story. [17:14]
adlai don't kick the baby [17:14]
nubbins` i can do a deed by hand [17:14]
adlai mitm http = compromising something [17:14]
nubbins` i can also hash a html document by hand and send dust to it [17:15]
nubbins` "hey man the bot didn't pick up my file" [17:15]
mircea_popescu no, because something you can't verify isn't something, it's chtulhu. [17:15]
adlai no, that's "I created some file, and the bot isn't agreeing with it" [17:15]
adlai nubbins`: the bot's signature on a file isn't proof-of-existence, it's proof-of-that-server-said-this-to-me-at-that-time [17:15]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: (i think) << pretty sure you're right. [17:15]
adlai back in basic training this one drill sergeant said some words that have echoed with me to this day... "If you ever start thinking something, just stop." [17:16]
nubbins` no, it's proof that the bot hashed a string of text and sent dust to the address [17:16]
adlai the whole point is that you trust that the bot only does that for text that it fetches from URLs [17:17]
nubbins` or are we taking the bot on blind faith now? [17:17]
mircea_popescu btw, it occurs to me, the one thing qntra would really need would be a resident business/finance analyst. [17:17]
punkman related [17:17]
assbot ... ( ) [17:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c how you doin' on time these days ? [17:17]
adlai punkman: either nubbins` or I are kinda missing the point, can you explain it again pls? [17:17]
nubbins` so we trust that the bot fetches text from a website and doesn't alter it and hashes it and sends dust to the address [17:17]
punkman adlai, what you said [17:18]
nubbins` but there's no way to verify it because we'll never get the same hash [17:18]
mircea_popescu well, rarely. [17:18]
nubbins` so we actually have to visit the site at the time the bot archives it [17:18]
mike_c limited, but I could handle something. [17:18]
mircea_popescu i think trilema perhaps hashes to the same thing. [17:18]
nubbins` to verify with our own eyes that that's what the site said [17:18]
adlai which is why you give the bot a URL and an xpath (or regex, or whatever you like for specifying a part of the document) [17:18]
nubbins` and then make a note of it for future reference [17:18]
nubbins` this is retarded [17:18]
adlai so the bot doesn't say, "the entire document fetched from hashed to " [17:18]
adlai it says, "the document fetched from contained a section, located at , hashing to " [17:19]
mike_c you looking for somebody to analyze btc businesses? that's a tough task with the limited information they usually provide. [17:19]
punkman you also get the contents the bot fetched so you can download for safekeeping [17:19]
mircea_popescu mike_c lemme value proposition you : if you're going to work now and again, it may work much better to be a qntra star analyst and get shares for that work, than sorta be stuck with a solo blog. [17:19]
adlai that's working in tandem with an archive, with crowdsourced archives :) [17:19]
nubbins` so the bot says "the phrase 'i hate newfies' fetched from the url hashed to " [17:20]
nubbins` useful [17:20]
mike_c yes, but qntra posts don't have graphs [17:20]
mike_c maybe i could fix that. [17:20]
mircea_popescu mostly because you're not there yet. [17:20]
mircea_popescu tandacoin: i have read logs of bitcoin assets but i'm not sure how to get word of trust << o.O the cuteliest! [17:21]
mircea_popescu ;;seen tandacoin [17:21]
gribble tandacoin was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 hours, 20 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: you guys have no idea how to do business or journalism, im not going to waste my time with u [17:21]
mike_c this is perhaps a good idea. i gotta run for a bit. but I think you're right. [17:21]
adlai nubbins`: "you can't not communicate". that would say that either the owner of that domain is a liar, and said at that time that he hates newfies, or that bot has become unreliable. [17:21]
mircea_popescu awww. [17:21]
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mircea_popescu that final u is priceless. [17:21]
mircea_popescu YOU GUYSE! [17:22]
mircea_popescu have no idea. [17:22]
adlai how is journo formed??? how page get views? [17:22]
nubbins` i pronounce u as "oo" in my head [17:23]
* adlai imagines that the author is french and forgot the t [17:23]
nubbins` and the o and the i [17:23]
nubbins` bbl lunch [17:23]
mircea_popescu you mean lnch [17:24]
adlai yo mean yo [17:24]
adlai [17:25]
assbot Yo - It's that simple. ... ( ) [17:25]
mircea_popescu Yoco sounds like a future artist / sextape protagonist [17:25]
mircea_popescu cazalla: tandacoin, stick around, i need to finish current article and then head off to a pokemon meetup << bwahahaha [17:26]
mircea_popescu im saving this one in a special compartment, it's too good. [17:26]
punkman can't tell if trolling [17:27]
mircea_popescu no but imagine, perez hilton comes here to get my take on shoes [17:27]
mircea_popescu i'm all like "nigga wait, i gotta pokemon brb" [17:27]
mircea_popescu "tandacoin:we get 4k pageviews a day how muh do you get?" ahahah this was so great. [17:29]
adlai that awkward moment when you say bye, then realize that your friend is also going to pokemon [17:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65700 @ 0.00035268 = 23.1711 BTC [+] {2} [17:32]
mircea_popescu fwiw : us alexa rank 165,888 ; us alexa rank 227,200. (larger is worse). [17:33]
kakobrekla isnt alexa rank like rand()*2/2 [17:33]
mircea_popescu well yeah, about on par with random derp calling ourpages(); [17:34]
mircea_popescu "And indeed, the output of the CPRNG is very biased. The output of each step of the CPRNG is a number from 0 to 25; you would expect successive outputs to be the same around one time in 26, but my experiments show that the frequency is closer to 1/22.5." <<< shcneier made a cypher. heh. [17:35]
adlai how is alexa formed? how does blog get viewy? [17:35]
mircea_popescu iirc they had a toolbar. [17:36]
mircea_popescu basically it's "how many idiots end up on your site" [17:36]
kakobrekla so qntra is actually doing worse idiotwise than that other thing [17:37]
adlai what ever happened to backroom deals with ISPs [17:37]
adlai they need to learn from nielsen [17:37]
mircea_popescu adlai they cost money ? i dunno. [17:38]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla well, worse is better. [17:38]
adlai they don't have to cost money if you can dress it up as a service you sell the ISP [17:38]
adlai for example: you've got the data, we've got the scientists [17:39]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:39]
mircea_popescu what do you think this is, 1995 ? [17:39]
mircea_popescu "honey, you've got the tits, I got the canes" [17:39]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03: i feel this encourages an echo chamber as it continues << this is prolly true. on the other hand, most of the intelligent people that were ever going to hear about bitcoin have by now. [17:40]
mircea_popescu what's left are the idiots. [17:40]
* adlai has met a few intelligent people who have heard about bitcoin but are taking their time learning about it [17:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: the general discussion here also changed a lot over last years << i'd loive to hear your take on that ? [17:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform o wow, you back ? EMAIL ME! [17:42]
adlai it seems that the general cycle is that these people hear about bitcoin, learn a tiny bit about it, and park it in the back of their mind for a few years [17:42]
mircea_popescu seems reasonable. [17:43]
mircea_popescu i certainly do the same with most things. [17:43]
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mircea_popescu "Name Most Important. But it was quite unexpected that the name of the coin does play the most important role over the long term, since it’s the only one thing from the five features, mentioned above, that cannot be changed, or significantly improved." [17:43]
mircea_popescu lol. [17:43]
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adlai I guess tacking an X on the end is an insignificant improvement? [17:44]
mircea_popescu "So let’s try to build a rating of the cryptocurrency names of real coins, based on various criteria: Brightness. Seriousness of name (as a currency, the name shouldn’t be fun). Whether the name is conceptual (makes sense, dedicated to ideas), or not." [17:44]
adlai hobonickles! [17:44]
mircea_popescu so bizarre this. deconstructing it, pretty much the only takeaway is whoa, check out the puritans! [17:44]
mircea_popescu some esl kid on the fringe of culture nevertheless believes that "as a Category", X "shouldn't be fun". [17:45]
mircea_popescu apodictically, just like that. [17:45]
mircea_popescu "Does it have money or financial mental associations, or even slight links, for example, Luckycoin is for luck, that is necessary to become rich, Mooncoin means Moon, and the Moon drives ocean waters and financial flows (as assumed in financial astrology) plus ‘to the moon’ means also price growing process… And MEOW, or BBQ coins have no these associations at all)." [17:46]
adlai apodiction breeds apodidaction [17:46]
mircea_popescu "Dick Valis. Dick is an altcoin enthusiast and student of philosophy. He enjoys writing about cryptocurrencies and spending his time exploring reality and searching for truth." [17:47]
mircea_popescu << no way that's actually the author ? [17:47]
assbot ... ( ) [17:47]
mircea_popescu why does he sound like a 16yo vietnamese girl ? [17:47]
adlai that's philip k dick [17:47]
mircea_popescu a so it is. [17:47]
mircea_popescu adlai what's apodidaction ? [17:48]
adlai apo+dictic = away from speech, unquestionable [17:48]
adlai autodidact = self-taught [17:48]
adlai cross the two and you get an unteachable idiot [17:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead << entirely spurious argument advanced << no but address the actual point rather than the idiots putting it forth. [17:49]
mircea_popescu yes but -ion requires a process [17:49]
jurov ;;isup [17:50]
gribble is down [17:50]
mircea_popescu punkman ^ [17:50]
mircea_popescu adlai speaking of which, i wonder how many people who use "i have no words" in their apology realise the irony. [17:50]
adlai apodidaction = away/apart from the process of teaching [17:51]
mircea_popescu moar like "taking away from teaching". apodidactic, "which is away" [17:52]
* adlai is not enough of a classics scholar to debate this much further [17:52]
adlai let's just settle on quidquid latine dictum sitis, altus sonator [17:52]
adlai sonatUR [17:52]
mircea_popescu well... there's good reason for that. [17:53]
mircea_popescu they didn't use to teach monkeys and donkeys letters back then, for one. [17:53]
kakobrekla i'd loive to hear your take on that ? < well my take is that i used to be one of the smart people on the chan and now im one of the stupid [17:55]
adlai cazalla: you missed a spot, over in [17:55]
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mircea_popescu ahahaha poor kako. tide went out from under his butt [17:55]
adlai so THAT'S why you brought me in here! [17:56]
mircea_popescu you;'re smart, the problem with you is that you don't know much. [17:56]
adlai !b 1 [17:57]
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adlai iirc it was Dennett who said that ignorance should not be seen as an insult [17:58]
mircea_popescu well... someone fishing for insults in b-a would get well fed in short order. but no, it's not an insult. [17:58]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: no you don't understand unless it's a perfect solution it's entirely worthless << lawl. [17:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform keeping the old MIT spirit alive. "what's the most important thing to remember about this great achievement ?" [17:59]
mircea_popescu "that it sucks." [17:59]
adlai my problem with me is that I don't know what I want to learn next [17:59]
adlai so I flutter about, dabbling in this and that, and never really going anywhere [17:59]
mircea_popescu that's a problem. [18:00]
kakobrekla so now im ignorant? [18:00]
kakobrekla idk i wouldnt know! [18:00]
mircea_popescu the only way a good intellect can be used is through achieving excellent depth in one field, that can then be leveraged in all fields. otherwise, if you never anchor, it'll just mush around [18:00]
kakobrekla cause im ignorant prolly. [18:00]
adlai at least you've got strength going for ya [18:01]
mircea_popescu no he doesn't. [18:01]
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* kakobrekla has nothing. [18:02]
kakobrekla but a barrel (ready). [18:02]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: if you are pwned while using 'brainwallets', simply shows that your brain is defective < no need to test this hypothesis the result is known << all brains are defective, is the thing. [18:02]
mircea_popescu ;;google et la tete sur le robinet [18:02]
gribble Tête de robinet... - Plomberie - ; Robinets thermostatiques, tête thermostatique - YouTube: ; Tête de robinet : Apiman, tête de robinets courtes et longues, avec et ...: [18:02]
mircea_popescu pfff [18:02]
mircea_popescu ;;google chevalliers de la table ronde [18:03]
gribble Chevaliers de la table ronde: ; 113. Chevaliers de la Table Ronde (Traditional French) - YouTube: ; Comptine Chevaliers de la Table Ronde 35553 - YouTube: [18:03]
kakobrekla not homus cyptoheadus or whatever [18:03]
kakobrekla crypto* [18:03]
adlai mircea_popescu: "excellent depth in one field" << what's yours? [18:04]
mircea_popescu "Les deux pieds contre la mureille et la tete sous le robinet." << :D [18:04]
mircea_popescu adlai physics, originally. [18:04]
adlai that's like "i work with computers" [18:05]
adlai excellent depth in physics can mean so many totally different things [18:05]
mircea_popescu yeah but it doesn't actually matter which specifically it means. [18:05]
mircea_popescu solid state magnetism, fwiw. [18:06]
adlai hm [18:07]
* adlai doesn't see "work with computers" as a good candidate for excellent depth [18:08]
mircea_popescu no, but any of the toipics that often come up here could make it up. [18:09]
adlai seems more of a tool for digging into other fields, whether a "hard" science, or just making impossible things hard in other endeavors [18:09]
mircea_popescu nah, it's an art in its own, not merely a craft. [18:09]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: browser plugin !?!?! << o.O [18:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the beautifully dark cream-your-pants future of 'shall be delivered' is not attainable until folks learn to remember serious keys (yes, remember. with head.) << this is like saying the frankish empire has to wait for people who can make swords. by hand! [18:13]
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mircea_popescu no it doesn't. charlemagne wasn't a blacksmith, and a thousand years later the orleans that WAS a blacksmith made a shitty king [18:13]
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adlai well, any advice on how to pick a field is welcome. picture a highschool dropout with centipede's dilemma about where to start fixing his ignorance [18:15]
jurov asciilifeform's argument fits better when it's about wielding the sword, not forging it [18:16]
mircea_popescu adlai what do you like anwyay ? [18:16]
adlai [18:17]
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mircea_popescu jurov true. [18:18]
adlai this is an answer on several levels... music plays a rather large role in my life, although the ratio of consumption/production has been too high lately; [18:18]
mircea_popescu you like... music ? [18:18]
adlai and the second level - this is a song about a lawnmower who gets pushed to do fancier things, but he just likes pushing a lawnmower around [18:18]
mircea_popescu has nothing to do with fancy. contrary to what the uncultured imagine, there's nothing fancy about the products of the spirit. [18:19]
mircea_popescu no fancier than dung, at any rate, and the results of the same biology. [18:19]
* adlai has been thinking a lot lately about generative music [18:19]
adlai most music (increasingly so for more popular music) is incredibly formulaic [18:20]
mircea_popescu you gotta learn shit before you get creative. [18:21]
nubbins` ;;gettrust devthedev [18:21]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014 [18:21]
mircea_popescu adlai go read say 1700s treatises on music for a while. either french, italian or german, whatever you speak. [18:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the 'do-ocracy' does what it does best: does. << haha buncha progres. [18:22]
adlai all this talk is silly, though. the simple answer is to study math, and the real problem is lazyness, rack of dishiprin, etc [18:23]
mircea_popescu nah, math is not actually a thing. [18:24]
* adlai likes math, at least staring at its ass as it walks by... [18:24]
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adlai math is totally a thing! [18:24]
adlai math is more of a thing than most other things [18:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, other users of 'opera' - which one do you use? the 1990s close-source turd? or the 'new, impr0v3d' idiocy that uses 'webkit' (chrome) rendering engine ? <<< they only moved to webkit last year, version 15 or something. afaik the last usable versions are 10 something. [18:25]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla the blockquote text is borkt on [18:25]
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mircea_popescu very much like bitcoin stuff, there's a 7-10 space where the thing's useful. [18:25]
jurov $proxies [18:25]
empyex jurov: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [18:25]
empyex jurov: MPEx-Status: (97 milliseconds), (98 milliseconds), (116 milliseconds), (217 milliseconds), (451 milliseconds) [18:25]
empyex jurov: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ [18:25]
* adlai slinks off to splash about in the depthless swamp of website construction [18:27]
jurov apparently can't be resolved [18:27]
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jurov at least from somewhere [18:28]
nubbins` !s paper [18:29]
mircea_popescu ? [18:29]
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assbot Whois Lookup - - ... ( ) [18:29]
mircea_popescu didja get poisoned or something ? [18:29]
kakobrekla jurov did you ever update your trezor [18:30]
jurov kakobrekla: never [18:30]
jurov i never seriously used it yet [18:30]
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jurov under linux got broken so i filed it under "fuck that" [18:31]
kakobrekla cool [18:31]
mats_cd03 TSLA down 5 points today [18:31]
mircea_popescu wow look at that [18:32]
jurov dunno if there's bip32/trezor support in any noobish standalone client.. last i checked electrum was under development [18:32]
mircea_popescu over what ? [18:32]
nubbins` seen devthedev [18:32]
nubbins` er.. [18:32]
nubbins` ;;seen devthedev [18:33]
gribble devthedev was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 11 hours, 11 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: [18:33]
mircea_popescu Headlines Tesla Stock To Lift Off After Battery Rechargeat Forbes(Mon 1:05AM EST) Demand For Tesla Is Not The Problem, Switching The World To Electric Cars Isat Forbes(Sun, Nov 30) TeslaInvestor's Business Daily(Fri, Nov 28) NVIDIA wants to increase its presence in big data through TeslaMarket Realist(Fri, Nov 28) Tesla Is On The Right Track To Doubleat Forbes(Fri, Nov 28) [18:33]
mircea_popescu insufficient pumping! [18:33]
kakobrekla well oil got cheaper no? [18:33]
pete_dushenski all straws on deck! [18:33]
pete_dushenski blow men! blow! [18:34]
mats_cd03 seems two days ago musk announced tesla "will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology." [18:34]
mats_cd03 no idea if thats related tho [18:34]
mircea_popescu cazalla: there is talk of raising it due to budget shortfalls despite the government that brough it in promising the legislation would never allow for such a thing to occur << typical of ALL TAXES EVER [18:34]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 somehow doubt it. [18:35]
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: decimation show me a country with no income tax that's not in affrica <<< easy, that. [18:35]
mircea_popescu argentines are striking against the INTRODUCTION of income tax. [18:36]
nubbins` monaco [18:36]
nubbins` bahamas [18:37]
nubbins` kuwait probably [18:37]
nubbins` oman, qatar... [18:37]
mircea_popescu the arabs have an equivalent of the serenissima tax tho [18:39]
mircea_popescu technically its an income tax [18:39]
nubbins` fair enough [18:39]
pete_dushenski so argentina has never in its long history had an income tax eh? [18:40]
nubbins` wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, says 9-35% [18:40]
pete_dushenski and after seeing what it's done to the rest of the world, they kinda have to strike [18:40]
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mats_cd03 << bets on when Putin lets 'em freeze for a few weeks? [18:41]
assbot The Russian-European deadlock - Counting the Cost - Al Jazeera English [18:41]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` [18:42]
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mircea_popescu i dunno, it's a convoluted topic. [18:42]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski lulzy the confused reaction of a social media dude taken out of the eco chamber. [18:44]
mircea_popescu "excuse me ?" seems typical. [18:44]
pete_dushenski haha totally [18:45]
mircea_popescu [18:45]
assbot iPad King's Bounty, the strategy guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [18:45]
pete_dushenski and i thought i was leading him along nicely [18:45]
mircea_popescu these fuckwits fucked up the game for fucks sake. [18:45]
pete_dushenski then he went all "wtf my head hurts" [18:46]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu game broke? [18:46]
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mircea_popescu the king's bounty thing [18:46]
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pete_dushenski right. just a new update and all that goodness is out the window or what? [18:48]
mircea_popescu nah, i just figured out how to break it. [18:48]
pete_dushenski ha o i c [18:48]
pete_dushenski what'd it take? [18:49]
mircea_popescu rune of "why can't we all be equal" [18:50]
adlai !s TSLA from:adlai [18:50]
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adlai :-o [18:50]
ben_vulpes re qntra advertising: advertising is downright wacky. the numbers say "don't do it" and yet people are constantly doing it. [18:59]
adlai fb's "Promoted Stories" are but a step towarsd the inevitable endgame: kickbacks for product placement in casual conversation [19:00]
adlai we've got quite a bit of escalation to go in this arms race [19:01]
nubbins` ehh i'm not so sure [19:02]
nubbins` was lacoste's inevitable endgame paying people to wear shirts with little alligators? [19:03]
mircea_popescu aren't they ? [19:03]
adlai they "pay" them by letting them associate with the brande [19:04]
mircea_popescu adlai anyway, it's bnot going to be run as an actual market, because cattle. so it will be run as a star market. [19:04]
adlai "it's"? [19:04]
mircea_popescu "tell your friends about budweiser's greatness in narrative form for a chance to win a can of beer" [19:04]
adlai I doubt people would be proud of such kickbacks, but shame doesn't stop people from peddling shit from carts in malls all over the world... this is just a few steps further, a few degrees further on the frog-boiling scale [19:06]
* adlai is referring to the national pastime, [19:07]
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pete_dushenski ;;ticker [19:26]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.02, Best ask: 380.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 380.86, 24 hour volume: 5838.62655680, 24 hour low: 373.03, 24 hour high: 382.31, 24 hour vwap: 377.722924571 [19:26]
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PinkPosixPXE 17:31 #bitcoin-assets: <+ben_vulpes> PinkPosixPXE's downright neat <<< Thanks! You are awesome as well, and thank you for the rating! :) I'm really glad my contribution helped out, happy to help any time :) [19:31]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all brains are defective, is the thing << elaborate plz [19:36]
pete_dushenski maybe in the sense that brains aren't rational computers of ev ? [19:40]
mod6 ;;rated PinkPosixPXE [19:42]
gribble You rated user PinkPosixPXE on Wed Oct 22 13:06:41 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Helped me out testing ben_vulpes install script.. [19:42]
mod6 ;;rate PinkPosixPXE 2 Wrote a script for The Bitcoin Foundation contained in this document: [19:42]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: seems to me like he was of the 'brainwallet can be guessed' school of thought. i disagree. if yours can be guessed, you are either lazy or stupid [19:42]
PinkPosixPXE Thanks mod6! :D [19:42]
mod6 No problem. Thank /you/ for putting that together. :] [19:43]
PinkPosixPXE Definitely, any time :) [19:43]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform to the extent that the vast majority fall into one of those two camps, maybe that'd be the defective element [19:43]
kakobrekla actually both camps. [19:44]
pete_dushenski and guessed by who, what? is another question [19:44]
adlai brains are definitely shitty entropy sources [19:44]
adlai but they can work fairly well for storing it [19:44]
pete_dushenski brains store stories well, "create" less well [19:44]
kakobrekla if you take out convenience factor completely theres is plenty of solutions [19:46]
adlai wtfireworks!? [19:48]
kakobrekla happy new year [19:49]
kakobrekla heard it here first [19:49]
adlai you know it's a srs display when chickens and dogs join in [19:50]
adlai <- interesting that ~half the readership have kids, I'd have expected fewer [19:50]
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pete_dushenski ^sorta hard to "prove" they have kids [19:51]
pete_dushenski not like it's a browser setting [19:52]
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adlai uhoh, site affinity for is 51.2x! [19:52]
adlai!interests%2Fdomains [19:55]
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kakobrekla meh reddit... 'reddit police' ddosing bbet, 'reddit bitcoin' retweeting bitbet tweets at same time [19:55]
PinkPosixPXE ;;rate mod6 2 Great collaboration and work done for the Bitcoin Foundation : [19:55]
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kakobrekla love it or hate it ? make up your goddamn mind. [19:55]
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mod6 PinkPosixPXE: tyvm! [19:56]
PinkPosixPXE you're very welcome! :) [19:56]
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rithm ;;ratingsystem getrating mod6 [20:06]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask mod6!~mod6@unaffiliated/mod6 . User mod6, rated since Mon Oct 10 16:26:38 2011. Cumulative rating 46, from 25 total ratings. Received ratings: 25 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 28 positive, 0 negative. Details: [20:06]
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rithm ;;rate mod6 1 Deserves a token rating even though bitcoin foundation sucks [20:08]
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kakobrekla oh this is gonna cause so much confusion. [20:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1580 @ 0.001245 = 1.9671 BTC [+] [20:11]
kakobrekla i see, two soldiers from opposing foundation forces find themselfs in a pitch dark room. [20:11]
kakobrekla one hears something moving, points the gun in the dark and asks "who are you? are you with the bitcoin foundation?" [20:12]
kakobrekla the other surprised "yes! ... you?" [20:12]
kakobrekla "yes me too." [20:12]
kakobrekla then they proceed to shooting each other. [20:12]
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ben_vulpes adlai: fentanyl: yes please [20:17]
adlai kakobrekla: cf "allied athiest alliance" [20:17]
kakobrekla a? [20:17]
adlai [20:18]
assbot Atheist War - Video Clips - South Park Studios ... ( ) [20:18]
kakobrekla aha ok havent seen that [20:18]
kakobrekla ignorant n stuff [20:18]
adlai there are probably better ways to watch that clip/episode, but I definitely can't send you a url to an external HD that isn't even connected [20:18]
adlai tl;dw: three competing organizations wage endless war in the distant future: Allied Atheist Alliance, United Atheist Alliance, and Unified Atheist League [20:23]
kakobrekla aha but srsly i dont think that rithm thinks what he thinks he thinks [20:23]
mod6 ;;gpg info rithm [20:24]
gribble User 'rithm', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1FmiRARq96daxufSYKQM6SHDjwagV1J5XN, registered on Tue Apr 1 16:20:33 2014, last authed on Wed Jul 16 11:52:05 2014. . Currently not authenticated. [20:24]
adlai Dawkins... thought the future war among the different atheists sects, which he felt had "a certain amount of truth in it"... reminded him of the Judean People's Front and the People's Front of Judea [20:24]
adlai (from ) [20:24]
assbot PLAYBOY INTERVIEW: RICHARD DAWKINS | Playboy ... ( ) [20:24]
kakobrekla aha yeah dont you mix those two [20:24]
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mod6 ;;gpg info jcpham [20:24]
gribble User 'jcpham', with keyid C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 157CrafPv8oGC7f5vVFuLnE1BgDYUND4hq, registered on Fri Nov 11 12:21:29 2011, last authed on Mon Dec 1 10:26:41 2014. . Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. [20:24]
mod6 ah. ok. rithm, you do realize that gavin & the power-rangers derpation thingy is different than ours tho right? [20:25]
kakobrekla ;;rate mod6 1 Deserves a token rating even though bitcoin foundation sucks [20:26]
kakobrekla new: [20:26]
kakobrekla ;;rate mod6 1 Deserves a token rating even though bitcoin foundation rocks [20:27]
kakobrekla fixes all confusion [20:27]
rithm ;;rate mod6 1 Deserves a token rating even though bitcoin foundation rocks the cocks [20:27]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1. [20:27]
mod6 heheh [20:27]
ben_vulpes rithm: [20:27]
rithm this will never work because it's all plain text [20:28]
rithm at least use bottstrap [20:28]
kakobrekla idk what easier to remember the raw ip or that url [20:28]
mod6 tough call [20:28]
ben_vulpes opera doesn't have browse history? [20:30]
kakobrekla i didnt claim it was a problem [20:31]
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BingoBoingo [20:56]
assbot HSBC Cuts Ties with GABI | ... ( ) [20:56]
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adlai global allied bitcoin allianca! [21:01]
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Anduck .deeds [21:01]
Anduck .deed [21:01]
adlai ;;isup [21:01]
Anduck its not up [21:02]
gribble is down [21:02]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla the blockquote text is borkt on << fixed [21:03]
assbot Michael Mizrachi AKA The Grinder To Launch Bitcoin Based Poker Site | ... ( ) [21:03]
mod6 State Of Bitcoin Address: [21:03]
assbot ... ( ) [21:03]
adlai oooh why was I never pointed at [21:12]
assbot MPEx tech stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [21:12]
BingoBoingo [21:13]
assbot Its signed, must be legit [21:13]
adlai hang around bitcoin for long enough and you realized that around these parts, "enhance" is pronounced "hash" [21:14]
adlai in case you've been living in a dark attic with no TV shows: [21:15]
assbot Let's Enhance - YouTube ... ( ) [21:15]
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kakobrekla hehe [21:16]
adlai best part is when they fucking rotate the picture, I mean... did nobody in the film crew ever hold a fucking camera in their life!? [21:17]
kakobrekla bitwise rotation? [21:19]
adlai 1:10 in the linked video [21:20]
adlai just... just watch it [21:20]
rithm is easy enough to remember [21:24]
rithm [21:26]
assbot Why you don't want to watch CSI - YouTube ... ( ) [21:26]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform << elaborate plz << what's to say really ? brains aren't made for thinking specifically anymore than html is made for the web. they just got pressed into this service. [21:43]
mircea_popescu it's a perpetual and uphill battle to keep them more or less in line with logic [21:43]
mircea_popescu and that's taking a very lax view of "line" and "logic". [21:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: legs weren't made for ballet either. what of it. [21:43]
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mircea_popescu actually [21:48]
mircea_popescu no, legs were made for ballet quite specifically. [21:48]
mircea_popescu <- interesting that ~half the readership have kids, I'd have expected fewer << that's not what the data says. [21:49]
assbot ... ( ) [21:49]
mircea_popescu according to whatever indexes they keep, qntra is above average is all. [21:49]
mircea_popescu like, if out of the 1bn people on the internet 100mn have kids, and out of the 1000 people on qntra 103 have kids. [21:50]
kakobrekla possibly [21:50]
adlai oic [21:51]
adlai it's an index relative to the internet average [21:51]
mike_c yes, and it's 97% certain to be within +- %50 of what it says. [21:52]
kakobrekla most of the time on average [21:55]
mike_c 11% to 60% of the time [21:55]
kakobrekla aha hehe [21:55]
mircea_popescu lol [21:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, the "no black people" thing was funny. i guess cazalla's putting something in the water. [21:57]
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mircea_popescu love it or hate it ? make up your goddamn mind. << what mind ? [22:01]
mircea_popescu that's why it's one reddit, no mind. [22:01]
mircea_popescu sooo... icbit is finally gone after all ? [22:05]
mike_c just hidden. [22:06]
mike_c [22:06]
assbot ICBIT Web Trading [22:06]
mike_c looks like volume is in the gutter though. [22:08]
BingoBoingo What, did icbit just pretend to slog along long enough that they won't be down a full month before their Bitbet closes? [22:12]
assbot BitBet - exchange will shut down in 2014 :: 0.06 B (31%) on Yes, 0.14 B (69%) on No | closed 1 month 1 day ago ... ( ) [22:12]
mircea_popescu oooh why was I never pointed at << no actually i think you were, like eartly on [22:13]
BingoBoingo Is the new scamzor MO, "STFU we outlasted the BitBet Bet?" [22:13]
mircea_popescu mike_c well there's this out of business bitbet [22:14]
mircea_popescu and ima put a hold on it because srsly it does not seem to exist anymore. [22:14]
mircea_popescu i mean, broken website "rebranding" and wtf is this. [22:14]
adlai !s [22:14]
assbot MPEx tech stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [22:14]
assbot 2 results for '' : [22:14]
mike_c i am glad i'm not a mod. "out of business" is not so clear in btc-land.. [22:14]
mircea_popescu mike_c fortunately total interest is like a quarter, so nobodu's losing any sleep over it. [22:15]
mircea_popescu [22:15]
assbot BitBet - exchange will shut down in 2014 :: 0.06 B (31%) on Yes, 0.14 B (69%) on No | closed 1 month 1 day ago ... ( ) [22:15]
mircea_popescu oops didn't see BingoBoingo's lol. [22:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83434 @ 0.00035558 = 29.6675 BTC [+] {3} [22:19]
adlai mpex chart dead again [22:20]
adlai er, mpoe [22:20]
adlai aha, it's only dead on .ws [22:20]
mircea_popescu i see it of course. [22:22]
kakobrekla == [22:23]
assbot ICBIT Web Trading [22:23]
assbot ... ( ) [22:23]
kakobrekla same thing [22:23]
kakobrekla too much shit when you google their name so they switch my guess [22:24]
mircea_popescu you don't understand how rebranding works. [22:25]
kakobrekla im ignorant like that. [22:25]
dub ignant mafakas in dis #ferguson [22:29]
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BingoBoingo [22:34]
assbot WARNING! FRAUD ALERT | The Bitcoin Foundation ... ( ) [22:34]
* ben_vulpes is curious as to the total take [22:34]
* kakobrekla waits the day bitcoin foundation puts out a warning about bitcoin foundation [22:35]
BingoBoingo [22:35]
assbot Site Overview ... ( ) [22:35]
BingoBoingo That decline [22:35]
mircea_popescu "Over the past few days we have noticed a significant uptick in complaints directed at our help desk about a fraud being perpetrated upon innocent Bitcoin users." [22:38]
mircea_popescu nigga wut ? what desk lol. [22:38]
asciilifeform i was actually disappointed to learn that the linked piece was not about us. [22:38]
mircea_popescu where did they find a pretentious noob blogger to write this typical sort of pretentious noob blogger shit [22:39]
BingoBoingo lol, gawker too today [22:41]
assbot Magical Thinking: Bitcoin Gathers at Disney ... ( ) [22:41]
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rithm favorite quote so far: "That's enough money to create a small industry of people whose sole work is just sort of talking about bitcoin all the time." [22:43]
BingoBoingo Well, that did happen [22:43]
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adlai if a scammer runs, but nobody in #bitcoin-assets lost money... did it even happen? [22:45]
rithm define money [22:45]
rithm losing time might be more precious than time in some circumstances [22:46]
rithm s/money [22:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54250 @ 0.00034363 = 18.6419 BTC [-] {3} [22:47]
adlai this is true, it's quite distressing, this lack of fungibility... I can pay somebody else for their time, but I can't buy mine back [22:47]
adlai although I guess retiring is a form of buying your own time [22:47]
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mircea_popescu adlai you ever heard of patrick harnett's bitcoin bank etc ? [22:49]
rithm i would regret allowing myself to listen to the scammer in the first place, more than the money, it's a gut feeling thing [22:49]
adlai the name rings a bell, I'm sure google can deliver, if it's really relevant that I know this particular scam (it was a scam, no?) [22:50]
rithm i hate everyone. [22:50]
rithm the misprioritized time would be devastating [22:50]
mircea_popescu adlai guy was pretty much a sort of vessenes of 2012 [22:50]
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mircea_popescu kept making all sorts of idiotic claims, giving "ratings" and the whole shebang [22:50]
rithm did the starfish pull an exit scam also [22:50]
mircea_popescu professional and so forth. [22:50]
rithm ? [22:50]
mircea_popescu then i lent him some btc he couldn't repay, specifically for this purpose [22:51]
mircea_popescu and then that was the end of him. [22:51]
Apocalyptic mircea_popescu, you lent like 200 btc, right ? [22:51]
mircea_popescu kinda shocking for the idiots at the time, because before i did that, everyone just schmoozied with the scamers [22:51]
cazalla does qntra's november report not verify? is that what davout is saying in his comment? if someone can check, would appreciate [22:51]
mircea_popescu as in, you know, rather than book a loss, pretend like it never happened. because if you don't agree it happened, it didn't really happen. [22:51]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic something like that. [22:51]
rithm if you didn't blink an eye and give it two seconds thought, who is to say it happened [22:52]
* adlai has all kinds of things to say about giving 200btc to such a person, although they're founded on initial impressions so he'll keep them to himself [22:52]
rithm unless you spent a lot time cementing it into your relaity [22:52]
mircea_popescu cazalla : the problem is that wordpress fucks up the dashes [22:52]
mircea_popescu put <pre> tags around the text. [22:52]
mircea_popescu adlai was about 500 bux at the time. [22:52]
mircea_popescu money well spent, because it resolved a particular set of otherwise very pernicious claims. [22:53]
mircea_popescu just like the entire posters affair. [22:53]
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adlai the guy welshed for $500!? [22:53]
adlai ok, let's say you weren't the only mark... still [22:53]
rithm mircea_popescu did better at "more than a car, less than a house" than me [22:54]
rithm unsecured loans are not a good idea, people. [22:54]
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mircea_popescu adlai not what it was. more of a "couldn't really refuse" sort of thing. [22:56]
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assbot Logged on 27-11-2014 12:56:26; nubbins`: mircea_popescu:well if he did nubbins has some 'splainin' to do lol. <<< nope, in fact, i am also mildly perturbed by the fact that i mailed over $4,000 of goods to the guy and we didn't even get a couple measly pictures out of it [22:57]
mircea_popescu same principle at work. [22:57]
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mircea_popescu yeah, it cost me some money, but it also established a point. to my benefit, and of course to anyone else's who's paying attention, but that's a freebie for small fish. [22:58]
mircea_popescu kinda how this entire capitalism thing works. [22:58]
cazalla ;;later tell davout fixed formatting, you should be able to verify now, ty for headsup [22:58]
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gribble The operation succeeded. [22:58]
mircea_popescu also kinda why any kind of non-regressive taxation is bullshit. [22:58]
mircea_popescu the small players always benefit more from the big players than the reverse. [22:59]
mircea_popescu gpg: Good signature from "Jonathan Bahr ayup [22:59]
cazalla don't go putting my name in the logs lol [23:00]
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mircea_popescu lol [23:00]
cazalla guess too late now [23:00]
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adlai too late, it's there alongside robby [23:00]
mircea_popescu i'm sure anyone who cares enough could as well have folloed the gpg sig ? [23:01]
mircea_popescu anyway, who here wants to go to the next porn conference ? [23:02]
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rithm me me me me i like pron [23:03]
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rithm i'm bringing weed, crown royal, lots of blow, and not one change of clothes [23:03]
mircea_popescu specifically. [23:03]
assbot Adult Entertainment Expo 2015 ... ( ) [23:03]
cazalla step foot on american soil? i'm good [23:04]
BingoBoingo Looks like a job for asciilifeform or ben_vulpes [23:04]
mircea_popescu aren;'t you closer to las vegas ? [23:05]
mircea_popescu maybe petey the pimp is going. yo pete. [23:05]
rithm i have people i can stay with in vegas [23:05]
asciilifeform i almost fell down. someone showed me a new intel cpu, and it had the inscription 'vietnam.' [23:05]
mircea_popescu so ? [23:05]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I'm closer than alf further than vulpes [23:06]
mircea_popescu anyway, i need someone to go there and bring me a coupla affiliate managers. [23:07]
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mircea_popescu it's the last fucking stand. [23:07]
rithm breaking: [23:07]
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rithm serp has struck again [23:07]
rithm and scooped the bitcoin world [23:07]
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mircea_popescu wut? [23:09]
BingoBoingo !up bettycla1p [23:09]
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BingoBoingo Hello bettycla1p [23:09]
rithm apparently circle has something called circle red, they've just emailed people, and the checkout allows bitcoin [23:09]
rithm also coinbase lists "square" as a customer [23:10]
rithm so you just got scooped [23:10]
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BingoBoingo Happens, dunno how much news square can be though. Aren't they the derpy tablet dongle company? [23:11]
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mircea_popescu << this is the worst indictment of dawkins that could ever be devised, incidentally. [23:13]
rithm something like that [23:13]
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mircea_popescu dude completely misses the points of theology. [23:13]
mircea_popescu prolly should stick to familiar terrain. [23:13]
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mircea_popescu "In investigating these claims, BitBeat viewed a bitcoin address at that was cryptographically proven to belong to GAW and in which almost 28,000 bitcoins" [23:48]
mircea_popescu lol im sure it was. [23:48]
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BingoBoingo Well, note that they express reservation on the point where GAW never showed them any "virgin" coinbase transactions [23:49]
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mircea_popescu it was "cryptographically proven" lol. [23:50]
mircea_popescu power words! [23:50]
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cazalla "single Bitmain order to GAW worth 5 petahashes per second." <<< he twisted this as their latest order, it was their first because hey, gotta scam the funds first [23:59]
cazalla 28k bitcoin yet can't point out a single block they've mined [23:59]
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