Forum logs for 02 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

gx	you guys are really crushing my soul right now.	[00:00]
twizt	dude who cares look at ur [m	[00:00]
twizt	pm*	[00:00]
twizt	lol	[00:00]
truffles	u can always start over	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	gx so who might you be ?	[00:00]
gx	mircea_popescu i'm just a coder with ambition, that's all. and i've done trades on otc, just not under this nick	[00:00]
*	jborkl_ (~jborkl@2602:30a:2c51:e730:ec12:3fc:4dec:1b61) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:00]
*	jborkl_ has quit (Changing host)	[00:00]
*	jborkl_ (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:00]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust gx	[00:01]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user gx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=gx \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gx \| Rated since: Sat May 25 10:25:06 2013	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	well under which nick ?	[00:01]
*	benkay has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[00:01]
thestringpuller	This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. This user has not authenticated for more than 311 days. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer.	[00:01]
gx	i'm trying to remember, it was a damn long time ago	[00:01]
*	peterl (~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:01]
thestringpuller	smh	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	so then nm that neh ?	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	anyway. so you're a coder with ambition. got a name ?	[00:02]
gx	sure, my name is william kehl. add me to your untrusted sources file :)	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	phf` lmao that's pretty kickass a name	[00:02]
BingoBoingo	http://www.mst.edu/	[00:02]
ozbot	Missouri University of Science and Technology	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[00:03]
gx	anyways. my otc nick wouldve been gxdia or guardia, guess i didnt deal with that. maybe i'm thinking of litecoin otc	[00:03]
gx	if that exists	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	afaik it does not.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php that's a full list tho	[00:03]
rithm	;;gpg info guardia	[00:03]
gribble	No such user registered.	[00:03]
rithm	;;gpg info gxdia	[00:03]
gribble	No such user registered.	[00:03]
thestringpuller	;;gpg info gx	[00:04]
gribble	User 'gx', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 14nQyQz1mxgPTmq7BGTQpgtT6mGdmsikeD, registered on Sat May 25 09:20:22 2013, last authed on Sat May 25 06:20:22 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=gx . Currently not authenticated.	[00:04]
rithm	bam	[00:04]
gx	guess not- i've bought and sold via irc though. a few years ago. guess i'll register with otc and then all will be well	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	o look TomServo lives. /me waves	[00:04]
rithm	;;balance 14nQyQz1mxgPTmq7BGTQpgtT6mGdmsikeD	[00:04]
gribble	0	[00:04]
gx	since having an otc account is some standard of trust, lmao	[00:04]
thestringpuller	lol	[00:04]
rithm	you guys are stalkers sheesh	[00:04]
thestringpuller	WoT works tho...	[00:04]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: Ahoy!	[00:04]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust Athero	[00:04]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Athero: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Athero \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Athero \| Rated since: never	[00:04]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust Aethero	[00:05]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user Aethero: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=Aethero \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Aethero \| Rated since: Wed May 2 19:24:52 2012	[00:05]
rithm	aethero	[00:05]
rithm	like the butterfly	[00:05]
rithm	it's a genus or a species i do not reminder	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	this log is too short. pls thestringpuller to halp elongating ty.	[00:05]
rithm	lepidoptera was his girl	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	gx ok so you're an ambitious coder by the name of kehl, and you did what ?	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	some sort of autotrader script or am i not following ?	[00:06]
*	matthew_boyd has quit (Quit: matthew_boyd)	[00:06]
gx	metrics and autotrading script that ties into multiple exchanges, yes.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[00:07]
gx	and i'm still digging up my otc account	[00:07]
gx	i swear i have one	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	you have any sort of relevant background ? like being a quant or a latency tech or something ?	[00:07]
gx	ctrl+f'ing all over the place	[00:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.58549129 = 11.1243 BTC [-] {10}	[00:07]
gx	mircea_popescu i'm just a coder, but my biz partner has experience with quant and we have advisors who are daytraders	[00:08]
*	Jason (DgAAEAAAAA@unaffiliated/jason) has left #bitcoin-assets	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	ic.	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	well, lotsa new people on here these days, pretty cool.	[00:08]
gx	i've been idling in here for quite awhile, just dont speak up much	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	either that or you're significantly brighter than the average and just got lucky.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	anyway. i gotta go now to stand trial as a witness in a civil proceeding @ a local bar, so.	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	plz don't break bitcoin while i	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	'm gone.	[00:10]
gx	enjoy	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	i wanna be here to liveblog it when it happens.	[00:10]
diametric	so, i'm sifting through the scrollback. some kind of daytrading tool coming out soon?	[00:11]
*	Duffer1 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517])	[00:11]
gx	i also have to bow out for some beers, it's been a pleasure, thanks for the lambasting everyone	[00:11]
gx	;) hugz	[00:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.068 = 0.476 BTC [-]	[00:11]
*	Duffer1 (~chatzilla@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:14]
*	Urushiol has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[00:15]
*	bloctoc (~bloctoc@c-67-174-198-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:16]
*	Urushiol (Urushiol@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe69:cc42) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:18]
*	Urushiol has quit (Changing host)	[00:18]
*	Urushiol (Urushiol@unaffiliated/urushiol) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:18]
*	phf` is now known as phf	[00:19]
*	twizt has quit (Quit: Page closed)	[00:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0075 = 0.1875 BTC [+]	[00:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 137 @ 0.0075 = 1.0275 BTC [+]	[00:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06869732 = 0.3435 BTC [+] {2}	[00:28]
*	jborkl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[00:29]
*	peterl has quit (Quit: peterl)	[00:29]
*	peterl (~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:30]
*	blackwhite has quit (Quit: blackwhite)	[00:32]
*	locksmith has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[00:33]
*	CryptoMuncher has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55019 @ 0.00094238 = 51.8488 BTC [+] {5}	[00:35]
*	joecool has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:40]
*	truffles has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)	[00:44]
*	bloctoc has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)	[00:45]
*	Rulother__ (~Rulother@72.16.217.169) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:48]
*	dR3____ (~dR3@d142-179-255-10.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:49]
*	benkay (~user@193.sub-97-161-54.myvzw.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:49]
*	HeySteve (HeySteve@41-133-91-166.dsl.mweb.co.za) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:50]
*	HeySteve has quit (Changing host)	[00:50]
*	HeySteve (HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:50]
benkay	did i hear truffles is back?	[00:50]
*	mike_c_o (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:53]
*	lnovy_ (~lnovy@213.211.33.25) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:53]
*	mike_c has quit (Disconnected by services)	[00:53]
*	mike_c_o is now known as mike_c	[00:53]
*	jadne_ (~irssi@ec2-54-194-166-11.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:53]
*	agamemnon23 (~agamemnon@arkhammer.mycenae.org) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:54]
*	HeySteve2 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:54]
*	dR3 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:54]
*	Rulother has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:54]
*	lnovy has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:54]
*	agamemno123 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:54]
*	B0g4r7 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:54]
*	jadne has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:54]
*	random_cat has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[00:54]
*	dignork has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[00:54]
*	soulblade738_ has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[00:54]
*	darkee has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[00:54]
*	nubbins` has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:54]
*	bgupta has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[00:54]
*	Ignatius-otc has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[00:54]
*	B0g4r7 (~B0g4r7@208.76.200.200) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[00:55]
benkay	truffles is back, all these new faces	[01:01]
benkay	something's fishy.	[01:01]
*	daybyter has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)	[01:02]
*	kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.)	[01:04]
*	kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:06]
*	bloctoc (~bloctoc@c-67-174-198-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:07]
*	dR3____ is now known as dR3	[01:11]
*	dR3 has quit (Quit: CollieBudz callin out...)	[01:11]
*	dR3 (~dR3@d142-179-255-10.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:11]
*	lysobit has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)	[01:11]
*	lysobit (~musalbas@2001:1af8:4100:a031:2::) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:12]
*	jborkl (~jborkl@2602:30a:2c51:e730:2c39:e2d8:aa21:89ae) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:13]
*	jborkl has quit (Changing host)	[01:13]
*	jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:13]
*	GreenBits (181f0ba5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.31.11.165) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06700001 = 0.201 BTC [-]	[01:21]
*	davout_ (~davout@unaffiliated/davout) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:23]
*	killerstorm (~alex@46.150.104.232) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:23]
*	punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:25]
*	punkman1 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)	[01:25]
*	davout has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)	[01:26]
*	dignork (~nobody@unaffiliated/dignork) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:27]
*	domsch has quit (Quit: domsch)	[01:28]
*	xdotcommer (~xdotcomme@69.156.61.34) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:29]
*	GreenBits has quit (Quit: Page closed)	[01:29]
*	Airbitz (~yaaic@cpe-66-27-105-162.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:34]
*	mjr_ has quit (Quit: mjr_)	[01:34]
*	wolverineks (~wolverine@cpe-66-27-105-162.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:35]
*	wolverineks has quit (Client Quit)	[01:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00083501 = 0.2505 BTC [-]	[01:36]
*	wolverineks (~wolverine@cpe-66-27-105-162.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 317 @ 0.000835 = 0.2647 BTC [-] {4}	[01:37]
zacm	WOW mpex in bloomberg	[01:38]
arizona	yessiree	[01:40]
tg2	Dun dun dunnnn	[01:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [MS] 81 @ 0.00313709 = 0.2541 BTC [-] {7}	[01:43]
benkay	not the old news?	[01:44]
*	xdotcommer has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[01:44]
benkay	or very much the old news.	[01:44]
dexX7	live? link?	[01:45]
*	davout_ is now known as davout	[01:46]
benkay	http://search1.bloomberg.com/search/?content_type=all&page=1&q=mpex	[01:47]
ozbot	mpex - Bloomberg Search	[01:47]
dexX7	21 Mar 2014?	[01:47]
benkay	silly socks are silly, trolling with old news	[01:47]
dexX7	yea	[01:47]
*	mjr_ (~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:47]
benkay	zacm, arizona, tg2	[01:47]
benkay	no subtlety, these guys.	[01:47]
dexX7	i think zacm is legit, have seen him in #bitfunder for a long time	[01:47]
benkay	ah well bitfunder == legit then nooz to me	[01:48]
tg2	what about arizona	[01:48]
tg2	oic, sock accuasations from benkay - ahem	[01:48]
tg2	;;gpg eauth tg2	[01:49]
gribble	Request successful for user tg2, hostmask tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/31FAA963C3333333	[01:49]
benkay	well, 'sock'	[01:49]
benkay	who are you again?	[01:50]
*	blackwhite (~blackwhit@199.227.56.229) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:50]
tg2	;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:288632a9b19b898d49bd8da2a1e442d4f3aac51b71cde6fc8d4609ae	[01:50]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user tg2 with key 31FAA963C3333333	[01:50]
pankkake	zacm is a legit idiot, yes	[01:50]
tg2	benkay why u calling me a sock	[01:51]
tg2	sock for who	[01:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00094378 = 27.4168 BTC [+] {2}	[01:51]
tg2	which secret agenda am I pushing here lol	[01:51]
benkay	u savvy scare quotes?	[01:51]
tg2	scare for what?	[01:52]
benkay	implies b) c) or d) definitions for word	[01:52]
benkay	or maybe just a shibboleth	[01:52]
benkay	hard to tell on the internet.	[01:53]
benkay	hello?	[01:53]
benkay	this is dog.	[01:53]
tg2	you skipped your clozaril regimen?	[01:54]
benkay	!b 8	[01:54]
assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1767942/plain/)	[01:54]
KRS-One	.bait	[01:55]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m305oyIb8V1qf3yy5o1_1280.jpg	[01:55]
tg2	> implying	[01:55]
*	nubbins` (~leel@stjhnf0148w-142134196038.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[01:55]
KRS-One	T'sup nubbins.	[01:56]
pankkake	nice dress	[01:56]
nubbins`	having a business meeting :0	[01:56]
benkay	well get off irc! how rude.	[01:57]
*	dR3 has quit (Quit: CollieBudz callin out...)	[01:57]
tg2	> business meeting is on irc	[01:57]
zacm	hm	[01:57]
zacm	so this is disconcerting to see the lemmings on bitcointalk cheer on us gov action against mpex people. bitcoin community must be eagerly anticipating govcoin i guess	[01:58]
benkay	what, govcoin?	[01:59]
*	wolverineks has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[01:59]
*	Airbitz has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[01:59]
zacm	the article is from 2014-03-19 but I only saw it today from this bitcointalk post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.0	[01:59]
benkay	not three years of 'forum sucks, mpex at least isn't a scam' getting under everyone's skin?	[01:59]
dexX7	ah okay	[01:59]
dexX7	yea it's kinda old news	[01:59]
zacm	benkay, or whatever the federally approved crypto ends up being...	[01:59]
tg2	federally approved lol	[02:00]
dexX7	there is another thread opened by mpoe-pr	[02:00]
benkay	o there's a new photo of mircea_popescu	[02:00]
dexX7	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=520882.0	[02:00]
ozbot	Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide	[02:00]
tg2	mpoe-pr lol	[02:00]
pankkake	that pic is horrible. saves	[02:02]
*	felipelalli has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)	[02:02]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:02]
*	turbo_ac100 (~turbo@port-92-206-19-175.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:08]
tg2	has anybody put any thought into a bitcoin insurance company?	[02:09]
tg2	not in the sense that "oh we'll replace your bitcoins if they get stolen or lost" type of stuff	[02:09]
dexX7	but?	[02:10]
tg2	but for insuring companies that are traded	[02:10]
dexX7	?	[02:10]
neilol	like a credit default swap	[02:10]
neilol	i guess	[02:10]
dexX7	ah	[02:10]
neilol	need a derivative market	[02:10]
tg2	would make sense	[02:10]
tg2	you'd have to evaluate the business being insured	[02:10]
neilol	might be tough to get someone to take the other side	[02:10]
tg2	figure out a premium that makes sense	[02:10]
benkay	which companies would you insure, tg2 ?	[02:11]
dexX7	well, there are afaik a few who want to open an insurance serivce.. even this twobitsidiot	[02:11]
tg2	any companies, they companies would pay the insurance as a sign of faith against insolvency	[02:11]
dexX7	and reddit rumors mentioned a "big player"	[02:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.066 = 0.198 BTC [-]	[02:11]
benkay	well given that 99% of 'bitcoin companies' are barely concealed scams, the thing doesn't fly unless you can point at a potential customer that's not a scam.	[02:12]
neilol	well SecondMarket CEO said that some large insurance companies were approaching him looking to create products around btc	[02:12]
tg2	maybe not like insurance, but instead a certification	[02:12]
neilol	like an auditor	[02:12]
neilol	someone audited coinbase	[02:12]
dexX7	ah, i think that was what i meant, neilol	[02:12]
tg2	well not exactly	[02:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0655 = 0.4585 BTC [-] {2}	[02:12]
neilol	its definitely a business	[02:12]
turbo_ac100	There is a working bitbet search plugin on mycroft now (no ref :P). The 2nd hit is the right one. For it to make sense it should be made auto-discoverable though. Like so https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/Creating_OpenSearch_plugins_for_Firefox#Autodiscovery_of_search_plugins	[02:12]
tg2	there would be certification requirements	[02:13]
tg2	like proving that you are solvent every so often	[02:13]
tg2	proving that you follow certain guidelines	[02:13]
dignork	neilol, but audit was strictly technical, keys safety etc.	[02:13]
tg2	proving that certain key individuals are known identities	[02:13]
tg2	and who have actual real-world assets	[02:13]
tg2	without having them divulge that	[02:13]
tg2	but if they break their certification	[02:13]
tg2	everybody knows right away	[02:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33503 @ 0.00094352 = 31.6108 BTC [-] {2}	[02:13]
tg2	a hybrid bond/certification system	[02:13]
neilol	yeah dignork you're right. I'm thinking something like a KPMG or Deloitte would do	[02:14]
benkay	seems a bit premature. there's barely anyone to trust in the first place, much less people in whom one can trust instead of actually trusting your counterparty.	[02:14]
neilol	full rip through of financials, accounts, investory etc and certify books match real life	[02:14]
tg2	no but I think that now would be time for that	[02:14]
benkay	neilol: let's just get someone who's not an MPEx scam to issue financials first before we worry about auditing those financials, eh?	[02:14]
neilol	haha	[02:14]
mike_c	he's not kidding.	[02:14]
benkay	tg2: so start building some trust. run that operation.	[02:14]
tg2	it allows exchanges to prove to a certain degree of trust that that they are solvent without having to show their cold wallets to everybody	[02:15]
tg2	liek an audit	[02:15]
neilol	wild west has its drawbacks	[02:15]
tg2	but with an additional level of oversight	[02:15]
benkay	tg2: you'll have to overcome the stigma ratings agencies in btc face post-pirate.	[02:15]
neilol	begs the question: how could you do an audit without counter party trust	[02:16]
neilol	might be an oxymoron	[02:16]
benkay	no that is actually the question	[02:16]
*	killerstorm (~alex@46.150.104.232) has left #bitcoin-assets	[02:16]
benkay	trust is that which all business runs on.	[02:16]
benkay	no trust, no business.	[02:16]
*	cbr has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[02:16]
benkay	"trust but verify" requires trusting first.	[02:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]	[02:16]
kakobrekla	turbo_ac100 the second hit?	[02:16]
tg2	it does yes	[02:17]
tg2	why do people trust bonds	[02:17]
HeySteve	working on a Proof of Trust coin. the Web of Trust has been an inspiration	[02:17]
tg2	why do they trust fannie/freddy	[02:17]
tg2	not that it isn't misplaced	[02:17]
benkay	tg2: why do they trust neobee?	[02:17]
benkay	tg2: why did they trust pirate?	[02:18]
benkay	tg2: why do people by pmbs?	[02:18]
tg2	well that is different, those people had direct interests with the company they were representing	[02:18]
mike_c	we need a trusted auditing company like Arthur Anderson	[02:18]
mike_c	then this shit won't happen anymore	[02:18]
benkay	we need companies that need auditing first, mike_c .	[02:19]
benkay	"need", also.	[02:19]
tg2	we need companies that need auditing first, mike_c .	[02:19]
mike_c	ugh. how old are you guys?	[02:19]
mike_c	is enron before your time?	[02:19]
tg2	well given that 99% of 'bitcoin companies' are barely concealed scams	[02:19]
benkay	too young :)	[02:19]
*	toffoo (~tof@189.4.204.98) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:19]
benkay	not entirely.	[02:20]
tg2	I think there is a need for this kind of liability secured "trust"	[02:20]
benkay	but let's go down the list by market cap, shall we?	[02:20]
benkay	who's got the biggest mktcap in btc-denominated securities?	[02:20]
tg2	sort of like a whoisguard but that holds the parties behind it responsible and sets up audit procedures and processes they have to follow	[02:20]
tg2	like a hybrid ISO and compliance board	[02:20]
tg2	really a 3rd party	[02:21]
tg2	who's best interest is in securing these businseses	[02:21]
benkay	;;calc 0.00094307 * 1000000000	[02:21]
gribble	943070	[02:21]
benkay	so that's mpex	[02:21]
benkay	almost a mil.	[02:21]
tg2	500m $USD	[02:21]
tg2	yet it holds no liability to the companies it lists OR the individuals that invest in it	[02:22]
tg2	*invest in those companies	[02:22]
benkay	"holds no liability to the companies it lists"	[02:22]
benkay	uh	[02:22]
*	HeySteve has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[02:22]
benkay	like i'm twelve, please.	[02:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00093956 = 10.2412 BTC [-]	[02:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]	[02:22]
tg2	its worth $500m	[02:23]
benkay	943k, but semantics.	[02:23]
tg2	that is no security against the companies it lists running away and taking everyones $	[02:23]
benkay	are you familiar with bitvps, tg2 ?	[02:23]
tg2	yes i just read it actually	[02:23]
tg2	from the link posted by mircea_popescu before	[02:23]
benkay	so...	[02:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0569 = 0.1707 BTC [-]	[02:25]
tg2	you're asking how a situation like that could have been mitigated by sucha trust organization?	[02:25]
*	HeySteve (HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:25]
*	HeySteve has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[02:25]
benkay	har the value of S.MPOE is probably in that mircea_popescu delisted bitvps 'aggressively', whereas everyone else lists outright scams.	[02:25]
benkay	not really. everyone got paid out at par per the contract.	[02:26]
benkay	nothing to mitigate.	[02:26]
tg2	who paid them out	[02:26]
benkay	mpex	[02:26]
benkay	this trust thing, you see.	[02:26]
tg2	ok, I didn't read that in the delisting doc	[02:26]
benkay	well if it didn't happen you have quite the scoop there	[02:26]
tg2	no legal recourse from mpex -> bitvps?	[02:26]
benkay	;;google trilema gpg contracts	[02:26]
gribble	GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; The future of Bitcoin regulation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...:	[02:26]
benkay	no recourse in bitcoin.	[02:27]
tg2	but this company operates in the meatspace	[02:27]
benkay	think about it for a while	[02:27]
benkay	read the stuff	[02:27]
benkay	everything ultimately operates in meatspace.	[02:28]
benkay	ffs...	[02:28]
*	dignork- (~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:28]
kakobrekla	that link should be in the wiki	[02:28]
tg2	I honestly wasn't aware that mpex paid out for delinquent listings	[02:28]
benkay	tg2: you should read the listing contracts.	[02:28]
*	random_cat (~random_ca@gateway/tor-sasl/randomcat/x-49498005) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:29]
benkay	so anyways if you come up with anyone to whom you'd sell this bond/insurance/rating thinger let us know	[02:30]
benkay	but it sounds a little defocused.	[02:30]
turbo_ac100	kakobrekla: second hit when searching on mycroft. There are two versions since they (he?) do versioning by hand. Since 1998 I guess...	[02:30]
tg2	I'm just surprised that noone has pursued it, it seems that mpex is doing just that however by covering their delinquent listers	[02:30]
tg2	so that is good to see, not sure why that isn't advertised more prominently	[02:30]
*	dignork has quit (Quit: leaving)	[02:31]
kakobrekla	turbo_ac100 i managed to come to that page but i still dot get it, what is the url that needs to be provided for the plugin	[02:31]
benkay	refrain of everyone who's looked into mpex more thoroughly, tg2	[02:31]
benkay	been there myself	[02:31]
benkay	the 'why' tho is that mp doesn't care about people who don't read in detail.	[02:31]
tg2	makes sense	[02:32]
tg2	I read the listing criteria I saw nothing about absolving personal liability in ti	[02:32]
tg2	other than WOT	[02:32]
benkay	well read the gpg contracts thing	[02:33]
kakobrekla	apparently theres some xml file ?	[02:33]
tg2	but I guess that would go against it	[02:33]
benkay	'no recourse in bitcoin'	[02:33]
tg2	^	[02:33]
*	dignork- is now known as dignork	[02:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05699999 = 0.171 BTC [+]	[02:34]
*	bgupta (~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:34]
kakobrekla	turbo_ac100 can you pastebin the xml ?	[02:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.065 = 0.13 BTC [-]	[02:35]
turbo_ac100	sure	[02:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06473333 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2}	[02:37]
turbo_ac100	http://pastebin.com/X6T6RJ19	[02:38]
ozbot	[XML] bitbet search - Pastebin.com	[02:38]
turbo_ac100	The "template" part should be axed. The mail address used was a meltmail.	[02:40]
antephialtic	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/01/us-bitcoin-mtgox-karpeles-idUSBREA3021920140401?irpc=932	[02:40]
ozbot	Judge orders Mt Gox CEO to U.S. for questions on failed bitcoin exchange	[02:40]
antephialtic	Karpeles in the US - should be interesting	[02:40]
*	Kushedout has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[02:42]
*	Kushedout (~Kushedout@adsl-69-227-110-178.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:43]
*	mjr_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[02:43]
kakobrekla	added to bitbet, can someone with firefox confirm it is actually working	[02:44]
mike_c	it should be here? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?atype=4	[02:45]
kakobrekla	i have no clue	[02:45]
mike_c	might have worked http://i.imgur.com/WD4R2ZI.png	[02:47]
mike_c	i don't know if that was there before :)	[02:47]
*	wolverineks (~wolverine@cpe-66-27-105-162.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:47]
turbo_ac100	for me it says Firefox couldn't download search engine http://bitbet.us/media/search.xml	[02:47]
mike_c	"error on line 10 at column 16: Opening and ending tag mismatch: Image line 0 and SearchPlugin"	[02:48]
turbo_ac100	newline fuck up?	[02:48]
mike_c	looks like	[02:48]
mike_c	or rather, it is closed before the 'data' element.	[02:49]
turbo_ac100	ehm.	[02:49]
turbo_ac100	my bad. Just a second	[02:49]
kakobrekla	hm	[02:49]
kakobrekla	i removed one part of it	[02:49]
kakobrekla	this	[02:50]
kakobrekla		[02:50]
kakobrekla		[02:50]
mike_c	i mean this line:	[02:50]
kakobrekla	isnt this waht you said to axe out	[02:50]
mike_c	data:image/x-icon;base64,AAABAAIAEBAAAAAAIABoBAAAJgAAACAgAAAAACAAqBAAAI4EAAAoAAAAEAAAACAAAAABACAAAAAAAEAEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA////Af///wH///8B///$	[02:50]
*	punkman1 (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:50]
*	punkman has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[02:50]
*	Diablo-D3 has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)	[02:51]
kakobrekla	a yea	[02:51]
turbo_ac100	http://pastebin.com/sax3cFV7	[02:51]
ozbot	[XML] bitbet search - Pastebin.com	[02:51]
kakobrekla	aha	[02:52]
kakobrekla	what about that get template thing	[02:52]
*	Airbitz (~yaaic@cpe-66-27-105-162.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:53]
kakobrekla	mike_c does it work nao?	[02:53]
*	Diablo-D3 (~diablo@d-ptld-bng1-70-20-36-102.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:54]
mike_c	looks good to me	[02:54]
turbo_ac100	second to last line there is a 'template=' part pointing to mycroft that shouldn't be needed since you can't use the template anyway	[02:54]
turbo_ac100	works here too	[02:54]
kakobrekla	great, thank you both	[02:54]
kakobrekla	;;rated turbo_ac100	[02:54]
gribble	You have not yet rated user turbo_ac100	[02:54]
kakobrekla	;;rate turbo_ac100 1 did a firefox plugin for bitbet	[02:54]
gribble	Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.	[02:54]
*	dR3___ is now known as dR3	[02:54]
kakobrekla	do you have a handle?	[02:55]
turbo_ac100	Will register. Haven't done so for too long. I'll come back to you.	[02:55]
kakobrekla	okie	[02:55]
mike_c	just what i needed.. easier access to bitbet. there goes another pile of coins.	[02:55]
kakobrekla	lol	[02:55]
mike_c	thanks turbo_ac100!	[02:55]
turbo_ac100	Itch == scratched!	[02:56]
*	cads (~m@24-159-97-57.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[02:56]
*	Airbitz has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[03:00]
*	wolverineks has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[03:00]
benkay	beery musings on hiring cut rate developers and bringing technical debt down on your non-technical ass: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/01_i-dont-build-vms-on-developer-machines.html	[03:06]
benkay	blackwhite, mike_c mircea_popescu kakobrekla jurov and others with experience in software game thoughts welcome	[03:06]
BingoBoingo	Fodder for people writing BitBets http://deadspin.com/60-maybe-surprising-player-projections-from-baseball-1556153816	[03:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20797 @ 0.00093956 = 19.54 BTC [-]	[03:07]
*	jedunnigan (~jedunniga@us1x.mullvad.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:09]
*	jedunnigan (~jedunniga@us1x.mullvad.net) has left #bitcoin-assets	[03:09]
*	mjr_ (~Thunderbi@200.108.54.98) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:10]
*	toffoo has quit ()	[03:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.04297892 = 1.5902 BTC [-] {17}	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552981.msg6025913#msg6025913	[03:15]
ozbot	MPOE-PR Perma-Banned after warning, Temp Ban more appropriate?	[03:15]
pankkake	:(	[03:15]
benkay	she needs a break anyways	[03:16]
benkay	all that cortisol's gotta hurt after a while	[03:16]
*	felipelalli (~felipelal@179.159.15.176) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:17]
BingoBoingo	Yeah.	[03:18]
*	dexX7_ (~dexX7@unaffiliated/dexx7) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:18]
*	Duffer1 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517])	[03:19]
blurden	who was she?	[03:19]
*	dexX7 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[03:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 753 @ 0.00093959 = 0.7075 BTC [+]	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	blurden: She did PR work for mircea_popescu on the forum. And was banned yesterday. Only real ourcomes is the forum is nao shittier and MPEx loses a recurring expense.	[03:20]
benkay	;;ticker m s.mpoe	[03:21]
gribble	(ticker [--bid\|--ask\|--last\|--high\|--low\|--avg\|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market \|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)	[03:21]
benkay	!t m s.mpoe	[03:21]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00093761 / 0.00094363 / 0.00095224 (1204518 shares, 1,136.63 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094315 / 0.00095866 (6836953 shares, 6,448.31 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087678 / 0.00096 (29662669 shares, 26,007.79 BTC)	[03:21]
BingoBoingo	!t h neo	[03:21]
assbot	The vision of Christ that thou dost see ... is my vision's greatest enemy.	[03:21]
benkay	!t h neobee	[03:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00222093 / 0.00288888 (79093 shares, 175.66021386 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00341061 / 0.00540000 (458355 shares, 1563.26867969 BTC)	[03:21]
*	mike_c has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)	[03:22]
*	blackwhite has quit (Quit: blackwhite)	[03:23]
*	neilol has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)	[03:24]
blurden	!t h rentalstarter	[03:24]
assbot	The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.	[03:24]
blurden	!t h rent	[03:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (1705 shares, 12.78750000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00722193 / 0.00750000 (20590 shares, 148.69955354 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00614936 / 0.00900001 (59161 shares, 363.80201440 BTC)	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	! h cog	[03:25]
*	Sahtor has quit (Quit: Sahtor)	[03:25]
*	mike_c (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:25]
*	cbr (~cbr@unaffiliated/mbr/x-8285774) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:26]
*	arizona has quit (Quit: Page closed)	[03:26]
BingoBoingo	http://bitslog.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/the-people-behind-bitcoin/	[03:26]
ozbot	The people behind Bitcoin \| bitslog	[03:26]
benkay	"So once again, I must thank Aravind, Gavin, Timo, Luis and all other great people for being behind Bitcoin, which means no other thing that transmitting the passion for it to other people."	[03:29]
BingoBoingo	I smell another hardfork in the next 18 months	[03:30]
*	cbr has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[03:31]
*	Duffer1 (~chatzilla@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:31]
*	dirte (~dirt@pool-72-64-240-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:35]
*	benkay has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[03:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.00093696 = 58.5132 BTC [-] {3}	[03:37]
turbo_ac100	!t h cog	[03:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03005337 / 0.06998899 (913 shares, 27.43872983 BTC)	[03:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00093677 = 6.37 BTC [-]	[03:38]
*	dirte (~dirt@pool-72-64-240-61.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) has left #bitcoin-assets	[03:38]
kakobrekla	more of a FOG than COG	[03:38]
pankkake	kakobrekla do you know who banned you?	[03:39]
kakobrekla	first time yes, second time no	[03:40]
pankkake	so they actually act anonymously. cowardly scum	[03:40]
pankkake	who was the first?	[03:41]
kakobrekla	badbear	[03:41]
pankkake	ah, with the good trust trating already lol	[03:42]
*	blackwhite (~blackwhit@199.227.56.229) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:47]
*	zoinky has quit (Quit: Leaving.)	[03:51]
*	Amull has quit ()	[03:53]
*	princessnell (60ff9527@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.255.149.39) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:56]
asciilifeform	;;gpg eauth asciilifeform	[03:57]
gribble	Request successful for user asciilifeform, hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/B98228A001ABFFC7	[03:57]
*	twizt (18be329d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.190.50.157) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[03:57]
asciilifeform	;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:6d513a0718c57a04a7b7789d1718a0451eb1f4173191a8c2476bf21b	[03:58]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user asciilifeform with key B98228A001ABFFC7	[03:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement << looks correct.	[03:59]
asciilifeform	damn i leave for one day to do meatspace crap and miss all the fun.	[03:59]
*	mjr_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[04:00]
asciilifeform	how difficult is it to get listed on mpex... kakobrekla asciilifeform etc could comment on it << i still have no idea what to say to hypothetical random people who want to be listed.	[04:01]
asciilifeform	aside from 'have useful idea, mp might invite you as co-author'	[04:01]
mike_c	well, you're skipping the step where you spent x years becoming an expert in your field.	[04:03]
BingoBoingo	Well, the history of ventures without MP as a coauthor on MPEx hasn't been spectacular with X.EUR's fate undetermined as of yet. Maybe davout should be included in the asked as well.	[04:03]
*	bloctoc has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)	[04:06]
*	blackwhite has quit (Quit: blackwhite)	[04:09]
asciilifeform	plenty of people know how to program.	[04:10]
*	turbo_ac1001 (~turbo@port-92-206-246-199.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[04:10]
asciilifeform	but, for some reason, they are all very far away.	[04:10]
asciilifeform	or, almost all.	[04:10]
*	turbo_ac100 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[04:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10347 @ 0.00093871 = 9.7128 BTC [+]	[04:15]
*	bloctoc (~bloctoc@c-67-174-198-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	Well, there's programing, programming well, copypasta, and then just being a dick to a REPL prompt	[04:18]
BCB	who did MP piss off this time?	[04:18]
BingoBoingo	BCB: The PR pissed off Maged	[04:19]
BCB	ha	[04:19]
BCB	what happened ;;tldr	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	Maged or other mods had been deleting posts, so... loss doesn't seem to be big	[04:19]
mike_c	maged: "shut up". PR: "fuck you". maged: "you're banned".	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	Basically it was the NeoBee thread.	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/01/betting-analysis-gems-bitbet-py/	[04:20]
ozbot	Betting Analysis Gems: BitBet.py \| Bingo Blog	[04:20]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: can you wrap that in ?	[04:21]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: It doesn't work with the footnotes tool like that. Simply returns the same result.	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	And April Fools, so puzzle	[04:22]
mike_c	hehe. you are full of puzzles lately.	[04:23]
*	princessnell has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)	[04:23]
*	MisterE (~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Well, why not?	[04:24]
mike_c	no reason. keep us on our toes.	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	At least I didn't try translating the thing to a LISP first	[04:27]
*	blackwhite (~blackwhit@204.153.192.4) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[04:31]
MisterE	haha: http://isecpartners.github.io/passwords/2014/03/31/smart-password-evaluator.html	[04:37]
MisterE	All ur pass are belong to iSec	[04:37]
asciilifeform	MisterE: reminiscent of the 'is my bank card stolen' service.	[04:37]
MisterE	:D	[04:38]
asciilifeform	for those who remember mp's essay about bezzle-dollars:	[04:41]
asciilifeform	apparently one of the things you can't get for these is: rental house in the wash. dc metro area.	[04:41]
asciilifeform	it is always one thing to read a philosophical bit, and another to taste it on one's sorry skin	[04:41]
*	Transisto (Transisto@64.69.39.88) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[04:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40216 @ 0.00094042 = 37.8199 BTC [+] {2}	[04:43]
asciilifeform	if only we had that 'rental starter' crap here.	[04:43]
*	gsdgdfs has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[04:43]
*	asciilifeform will soon have finished 7th year in a 30 m^2 flat.	[04:45]
MisterE	I live in a box too	[04:45]
*	rusty78 has quit (Quit: Page closed)	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well, if moving to the midwest was an option for you...	[04:47]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: i'd move to antarctica if there were work there.	[04:47]
BingoBoingo	And such is the problem	[04:48]
asciilifeform	hell, to mars.	[04:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00583999 = 0.292 BTC [+] {3}	[04:51]
*	antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[04:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00584186 = 0.222 BTC [+] {2}	[04:54]
asciilifeform	not far off is the day when the black mold outweighs me, gram for gram.	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	Well, I had the great fortune of once living next to the bulding whose walkway collapsed first	[04:56]
asciilifeform	i do believe that my kitchen floor will collapse 'when', not 'if'	[04:56]
MisterE	LMAO @ MOPE PR banned	[04:56]
thestringpuller	old news	[04:57]
thestringpuller	check logs	[04:57]
thestringpuller	move on	[04:57]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[04:58]
MisterE	so a comment is not allowed being that the world and this chanel doesn't revolve around your time zone?	[04:58]
MisterE	I dont read bitcointalk unless directed to it	[04:59]
thestringpuller	what time zone are you in?	[04:59]
*	djcoin_ (~d@ppp121-44-221-197.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[05:03]
MisterE	+7	[05:05]
MisterE	Bangkok	[05:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17895 @ 0.00094128 = 16.8442 BTC [+]	[05:07]
thestringpuller	whatever happened to goat?	[05:10]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Now he wants Garr's head	[05:11]
*	benkay (~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[05:11]
thestringpuller	lolol whut?	[05:11]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Now that Cog has become so far beyond saving, he finally got angry	[05:12]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/kKgYXoH	[05:12]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[05:12]
nubbins`	^ early draft of a poster we're working on	[05:13]
nubbins`	lel	[05:13]
benkay	embiggen sunburst	[05:13]
*	felipelalli has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[05:14]
KRS-One	Vaca Cabeza.	[05:14]
KRS-One	If anyone spots a tsunami lemme know.	[05:15]
*	benkay has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[05:18]
*	joecool (~joecool@no-sources/joecool) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[05:19]
MisterE	yea been loking myself	[05:21]
MisterE	this is where it is headed	[05:21]
*	benkay (~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[05:23]
*	dxrt has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[05:24]
*	bloctoc has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)	[05:24]
*	ThickAsThieves has quit ()	[05:25]
*	antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[05:25]
*	dxrt (~dxrt@unaffiliated/dxrt) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[05:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00094128 = 5.177 BTC [+]	[05:29]
Mats_cd03	a tsunami is coming towards your home	[05:29]
Mats_cd03	created by local field disturbances created by...	[05:29]
Mats_cd03	your mother	[05:29]
MisterE	not possible, mother is not local	[05:31]
nubbins`	heh, a guy i sold a casascius coin to has decided he really can't afford it and is wondering if i'll buy it back from him	[05:32]
nubbins`	imagine	[05:32]
Mats_cd03	i distinctly recall saying you basically robbed the guy	[05:33]
Mats_cd03	so... surprise?	[05:33]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: i wonder if anyone would buy a casascius coin that i've touched, after what i said about them	[05:33]
MisterE	plot thickens...	[05:33]
nubbins`	Mats_cd03, i resent that!	[05:34]
nubbins`	nobody was basically robbed :0	[05:34]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It might have extra numismatic value	[05:34]
asciilifeform	lol	[05:34]
*	jborkl_ (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[05:34]
nubbins`	asciilifeform: only way to be certain is to buy one and try to sell it ;p	[05:35]
nubbins`	"I've been reconsidering my finances and I'm not sure I am in a position to hold on to this collectors item"	[05:36]
*	bloctoc (~bloctoc@c-67-174-198-159.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[05:36]
*	jborkl_ has quit (Client Quit)	[05:37]
*	benkay has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)	[05:37]
nubbins`	i mean, i feel bad for the guy	[05:38]
nubbins`	but i'm not about to buy a coin off some random noob with no trust ;p	[05:38]
mike_c	those things are such a crapshoot. you have to trust the whole chain of people who have ever touched it.	[05:39]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[05:39]
mike_c	how's the market? has the premium over btc moved up or down?	[05:41]
joecool	on those coins? they hold a nice premium	[05:41]
mike_c	yeah, i'm wondering the trend. nubbins` has been dealing them for awhile	[05:41]
joecool	i sold mine at 50% premium months ago and i'm seeing em go for 100% over face now :-	[05:41]
mike_c	wow	[05:42]
dexX7_	re: mpoe-pr ban ... was this an april fools joke? i don't see any sign of a ban	[05:42]
nubbins`	percentage over face isn't a great way to price them, it's better to think in terms of absolute value over face	[05:42]
*	dexX7_ is now known as dexx	[05:42]
nubbins`	mike_c: depends on the coins. brass ones in general pull smaller premiums	[05:42]
nubbins`	the silver 1btc coins fetch 2.1-2.3 these days	[05:43]
kakobrekla	O_O	[05:43]
Ken`	will mtgox yubikeys ever become a collector's item?	[05:43]
Ken`	got one here with logo	[05:43]
nubbins`	the last silver 0.5btc coin i sold (rare holo, mintage 45) went for 6btc	[05:43]
kakobrekla	10$ in 10 years Ken` .	[05:43]
nubbins`	unfortunately kako already used the largest eyes possible	[05:43]
joecool	nubbins`: what are the 10BTC silvers goin for?	[05:44]
kakobrekla	also whats with the brass hate	[05:44]
nubbins`	joecool i've seen rubes offering upwards of 25btc, but this is a guaranteed loss.	[05:44]
kakobrekla	its 99% guaranteed brass	[05:44]
joecool	nubbins`: omg really?	[05:44]
nubbins`	i wouldn't pay a satoshi over 15	[05:44]
joecool	nubbins`: i sold mine for 15	[05:44]
nubbins`	kakobrekla: honestly i don't know.	[05:45]
nubbins`	the casascius market is on drugs	[05:45]
nubbins`	2011 1btc with series-1 "error" holo: 3-5btc	[05:45]
joecool	it's like the miner market, OVERPAY FOR ANYTHING WITH BTC STAMP ON IT	[05:45]
nubbins`	2011 1btc with series-2 holo (much more rare): 2btc	[05:46]
nubbins`	go figure	[05:46]
kakobrekla	should make a special btc logo featured turdtwister	[05:46]
nubbins`	25btc coin: 35-40btc	[05:46]
nubbins`	because "less than 2x face"	[05:46]
mike_c	hah. nice.	[05:46]
nubbins`	so all the poor rubes go "ah, less than 2x face, great deal", thinking that's how coins are priced.	[05:46]
nubbins`	it's shocking	[05:46]
kakobrekla	how much are the empty ones?	[05:47]
nubbins`	depends, maybe a hundred bucks for a brass	[05:48]
kakobrekla	fucked.	[05:48]
nubbins`	empty 25s go for several hundred	[05:48]
joecool	crazy, mike's doin p.well for himself i guess	[05:48]
nubbins`	afaik he was independently wealthy before he started making coins	[05:48]
nubbins`	but yes, at the time he stopped, he no doubt had a massive pile of btc	[05:48]
nubbins`	i personally gave him something over 60btc	[05:49]
joecool	i was looking at the gox db leak, he moved coin out of there pretty quickly, i do not think he was one of the big losers in there	[05:49]
nubbins`	nah, he's smarter than that	[05:50]
MisterE	"numismatic value" lmao	[05:50]
nubbins`	MisterE: it's a real thing, imagine ;D	[05:51]
*	mike_c has quit ()	[05:51]
MisterE	lol I know :)	[05:51]
*	CheckDavid has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)	[05:52]
MisterE	I'd just like to buy the bullion without the numismatic part sir	[05:52]
MisterE	you can keep the extended warranty service too.	[05:52]
nubbins`	heh.	[05:53]
MisterE	self-sufficiency is its own reward :)	[05:53]
nubbins`	well, ya know... amagimetals.com, silvergoldbull.com, etc :D	[05:53]
MisterE	silvergoldbull haha	[05:53]
nubbins`	bullion is a nice hedge	[05:53]
nubbins`	ah hey, Square gives you a free card reader when you sign up for an account	[05:53]
nubbins`	neat	[05:53]
asciilifeform	i set the 'bozo bit' on 'square' when they caved in to the FUD and replaced their purely-analogue card reader with an elaborate crypto turd	[05:56]
asciilifeform	just so people couldn't use it as a generic magstripe reader.	[05:57]
nubbins`	too bad	[05:57]
MisterE	just what stores with a rack of 8 readers need, another one	[05:57]
asciilifeform	http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/square1.jpg?w=716	[05:57]
asciilifeform	(new)	[05:57]
joecool	asciilifeform: good to know, i need to dig around and see if i have any of the old style	[05:57]
MisterE	I'm so glad I hang out here and dont have to track all these scams by myself	[05:58]
asciilifeform	http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/square.jpg?w=470&h=136	[05:59]
asciilifeform	(old)	[05:59]
MisterE	Ahh these are for smartphones	[05:59]
nubbins`	wow, look at that.	[05:59]
nubbins`	MisterE yep, turn a tablet into a PoS	[05:59]
asciilifeform	amazing what people are willing to spend on inserting antifeatures.	[06:00]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[06:00]
nubbins`	that really is a crypto-turd	[06:00]
MisterE	pretty good side by side comparison, obviously the old model is just a magnetic head	[06:00]
nubbins`	yeah	[06:00]
MisterE	pay moar, for less functionality!	[06:00]
nubbins`	suppose you could make one out of an old tape recorder and a few lines of objective-c	[06:01]
asciilifeform	excuse was, if i recall, that scammers will use the reader to lift cc #s.	[06:01]
asciilifeform	as if these had any trouble buying chinese readers	[06:01]
asciilifeform	(these, and stacks of blank cards, sell on ebay every day)	[06:01]
MisterE	thats exactly what I was thinking when I saw it, old tape recorder	[06:01]
asciilifeform	alignment is critical	[06:02]
asciilifeform	most cards have multiple tracks.	[06:02]
MisterE	yea cloning is trivial and has been I don't buy it	[06:02]
*	jadne_ is now known as jadne	[06:03]
*	jadne has quit (Changing host)	[06:03]
*	jadne (~irssi@unaffiliated/dramallama) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[06:03]
asciilifeform	the more realistic explanation is that they didn't care to see people write magstripe stuff using their reader	[06:03]
asciilifeform	(original 'square' reader was usable by any machine that had a 3.5mm headphone jack)	[06:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61789884 = 1.2358 BTC [+] {2}	[06:04]
nubbins`	nod	[06:08]
nubbins`	wellllll, still a tip-two ring-sleeve jack	[06:09]
nubbins`	tip-two-ring-sleeve	[06:09]
nubbins`	w/e, you know what i mean :D	[06:09]
nubbins`	(this is the same sort of jack that headphone+microphone combos use)	[06:09]
*	soulblade738 (~soulblade@gateway/tor-sasl/soulblade738) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[06:13]
MisterE	or A/V/cables	[06:14]
MisterE	A/V cables*	[06:14]
*	antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[06:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 58 @ 0.0039993 = 0.232 BTC [-] {4}	[06:15]
*	jordandotdev has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)	[06:17]
nubbins`	yep	[06:18]
asciilifeform	yeah - but the new turd craps out a blob rsa'd to square's public key.	[06:20]
asciilifeform	rather than plain stripe bits.	[06:20]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5747430	[06:26]
ozbot	Maged permabanned MPOE-PR because she swore shock \| Page 2 \| Bitcointa.lk	[06:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00592698 = 0.1126 BTC [+] {2}	[06:27]
VanCleef	bitcointa.lk loads up really slow	[06:28]
*	MiningBuddy- (~msn@109.201.154.173) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[06:35]
*	MiningBuddy has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[06:35]
MisterE	damn! http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2014/Apr/14	[06:35]
*	stompysteve (stompystev@c-98-233-115-118.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[06:38]
Diablo-D3	lol	[06:38]
stompysteve	where in the world is carmen sandiego	[06:38]
stompysteve	i mean danny brewster	[06:38]
VanCleef	nobody knows	[06:39]
VanCleef	maybe he really is in a coma	[06:39]
stompysteve	doesnt make any sense	[06:40]
stompysteve	you would think someone would have maybe made like a half ass statement or something by now	[06:40]
MisterE	maybe the scammers disappeared him	[06:41]
*	toffoo (~tof@189.4.204.98) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[06:42]
stompysteve	mpex got him tied up	[06:43]
BingoBoingo	Who really knows if "Danny Brewster"==Danny Brewster.	[06:43]
stompysteve	what does he have a fake family now too lol	[06:44]
*	mike_c (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[06:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+]	[06:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]	[06:53]
BingoBoingo	stompysteve: Who is to know that Neo Danny wasn't some orderly who stole coma Danny's identity	[06:55]
*	[7] has quit (Disconnected by services)	[06:56]
*	TheSeven (~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[06:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61594729 BTC [+]	[06:58]
*	twizt has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)	[07:07]
*	CryptoMuncher (~onionofdo@pool-96-252-123-12.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[07:12]
*	lewicki has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[07:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23655 @ 0.00094095 = 22.2582 BTC [-] {2}	[07:16]
*	blackwhite has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[07:24]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[07:26]
*	cads has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[07:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31529 @ 0.00094622 = 29.8334 BTC [+]	[07:27]
*	punkman (~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[07:28]
*	CryptoMuncher has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[07:30]
*	antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[07:30]
*	punkman1 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[07:30]
*	blackwhite (~blackwhit@204.153.192.4) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[07:31]
*	wolverineks (~wolverine@mobile-166-137-216-013.mycingular.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[07:38]
*	cads (~m@24-159-97-57.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[07:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00094622 = 14.3352 BTC [+]	[07:43]
*	stompysteve has quit ()	[07:44]
*	mike_c has quit ()	[07:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.056 = 0.224 BTC [-]	[07:47]
*	blackwhite has quit (Quit: blackwhite)	[08:00]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[08:07]
*	smidge (smidge@HSI-KBW-134-3-176-118.hsi14.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[08:11]
*	Duffer1 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517])	[08:20]
*	peterl has quit (Quit: peterl)	[08:23]
*	benkay (~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[08:37]
benkay	hey	[08:45]
benkay	hey assettes	[08:45]
benkay	every two weeks	[08:45]
benkay	bitcoin derp central in southeast portland	[08:45]
benkay	this week	[08:45]
benkay	"why u no spend time and energy pumping crypto train its good for everyone"	[08:46]
benkay	"well"	[08:46]
benkay	"you see"	[08:46]
benkay	"i am more interested in checks landing in my mailbox."	[08:46]
benkay	"every bit of energy spent not making checks eventually arrive in my inbox is time wasted."	[08:46]
benkay	"but but but this twitter tweet douchebot!"	[08:46]
benkay	"pennies. from paupers. get out of my face."	[08:47]
*	thestringpuller has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)	[08:51]
*	thestringpuller (~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[08:51]
*	xdotcommer (~xdotcomme@69.156.217.129) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[08:51]
*	thestringpuller is now known as Guest79299	[08:52]
Mats_cd03	im content to just collect dividends from mpex	[08:52]
*	xdotcomm_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)	[08:52]
benkay	its pretttty great	[08:53]
Mats_cd03	i figure if btc goes up in ten years or less i can retire to a beach in asia	[08:53]
benkay	don't think like that	[08:53]
benkay	never stop hustling	[08:53]
Mats_cd03	i reverse engineer firmware	[08:53]
Mats_cd03	i can do that on a beach while getting rimmed by a thai prostitute	[08:54]
random_cat	what is this derp central?	[08:55]
Mats_cd03	bitcoin meetup i bet	[08:55]
benkay	central location of derpage	[08:55]
benkay	zone	[08:55]
benkay	o'clock	[08:55]
*	random_cat scratches behind ear over benkay comments	[08:55]
benkay	you and me both, random_cat	[08:56]
random_cat	where is this derpage happening?	[08:57]
*	Namworld has quit ()	[08:57]
benkay	a bar	[08:58]
benkay	do you know the area, random_cat ?	[08:58]
random_cat	yes	[08:58]
benkay	oh holy shit	[08:58]
benkay	uh lucky lab	[08:59]
benkay	se	[08:59]
random_cat	oic	[08:59]
benkay	come out in two weeks!	[08:59]
benkay	;;gettrust random_cat	[08:59]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user random_cat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=random_cat \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=random_cat \| Rated since: Sat May 21 17:28:44 2011	[08:59]
random_cat	tuesdays? what time?	[08:59]
benkay	every other	[08:59]
benkay	8p	[08:59]
benkay	hey tg2 you see that?	[08:59]
*	random_cat isn't a huge fan of lucky lab's beers	[08:59]
benkay	that's a rating	[08:59]
benkay	ya well it ain't about the beer	[09:00]
benkay	random_cat: pm	[09:01]
*	cads has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[09:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00093712 = 31.0655 BTC [-] {4}	[09:02]
*	fordlincoln has quit (Quit: Leaving.)	[09:04]
chetty	http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100026946/monks-recant-bundesbank-opens-the-door-to-qe-blitz/	[09:08]
ozbot	Monks recant: Bundesbank opens the door to QE blitz – Telegraph Blogs	[09:08]
benkay	HAW	[09:09]
benkay	i love ambrose	[09:09]
benkay	funny how the telegraph line length clusters around 72	[09:11]
*	lnovy_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[09:15]
random_cat	i'd call it awesome	[09:15]
benkay	i think i'm going to rebel against my gui conditioning and agree with you	[09:17]
benkay	TAKE THAT DAD	[09:17]
*	AndrewJackson has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[09:19]
Mats_cd03	holy fuck this irc client rules	[09:20]
Mats_cd03	embeds tweets and pastebins	[09:21]
Mats_cd03	and i just noticed it embedded a link from gist	[09:21]
Mats_cd03	code snippets o/	[09:21]
*	lnovy (~lnovy@213.211.33.25) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[09:22]
benkay	"In several cases my changes take the form of a Turing-complete program that dynamically modifies the upstream source code in several attempts until it passes tests. I’m not kidding."	[09:26]
benkay	(i think he's kidding)	[09:30]
Mats_cd03	id love to see code for that	[09:33]
Diablo-D3	hes not kidding	[09:33]
*	wywialm (57ccf3c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.204.243.194) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[09:36]
*	sgnb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[09:38]
*	sgnb (~user@wencory.loria.fr) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[09:39]
*	benkay has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[09:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18044 @ 0.00093631 = 16.8948 BTC [-]	[09:53]
*	Lee- has quit (Quit: Leaving)	[10:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00093363 = 13.0241 BTC [-] {3}	[10:09]
*	_aeon has quit (Quit: Wham!)	[10:14]
*	rithm has quit (Quit: Quit!)	[10:14]
*	rithm (~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[10:16]
*	only (~only@gateway/tor-sasl/only) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[10:21]
*	only has quit (Client Quit)	[10:21]
*	Jackmaninov (~Jackmanin@we0069.dip.tu-dresden.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[10:25]
*	Jackmani_ (~Jackmanin@we0069.dip.tu-dresden.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[10:26]
*	_aeon (~user@jesuschristporno.hamcomputers.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[10:26]
*	AIV__ (~AIV@130.79.249.2) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[10:27]
*	Jackmaninov has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[10:29]
MisterE	bitcoin-assets.com	[10:34]
MisterE	lol fail	[10:34]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[10:41]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 477.25, vol: 17444.61766036 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 479.435, vol: 13599.58296 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 477.1492, vol: 14700.48263507 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 488.01, vol: 43.6548417 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 464.734836, vol: 3681.68780000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 488.96, vol: 22.76701776 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 489.198088, vol: 104.27305101 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[10:41]
*	Jackmani_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[10:43]
*	Jackmaninov (~Jackmanin@we0069.dip.tu-dresden.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[10:46]
*	Kushedout has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[10:48]
*	Kushedout (~Kushedout@adsl-69-227-110-178.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[10:48]
*	nubbins` has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[10:51]
*	toffoo has quit ()	[10:52]
*	AIV__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[10:54]
*	kleinessteak (~kleinesst@dslb-088-068-238-244.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[10:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29094 @ 0.00093362 = 27.1627 BTC [-]	[10:59]
*	Jackmaninov has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[11:06]
*	Jackmaninov (~Jackmanin@we0069.dip.tu-dresden.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[11:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54179 @ 0.00093981 = 50.918 BTC [+] {3}	[11:08]
*	kleinessteak has quit ()	[11:15]
*	only (~only@gateway/tor-sasl/only) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[11:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.056 = 1.344 BTC [-]	[11:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 98 @ 0.0075 = 0.735 BTC [+]	[11:18]
*	[\] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[11:19]
*	gribble has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[11:28]
*	davout has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[11:32]
*	gribble (~gribble@unaffiliated/nanotube/bot/gribble) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[11:39]
*	wolverineks has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[11:40]
*	Jackmaninov has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[11:47]
*	Jackmaninov (~Jackmanin@we0069.dip.tu-dresden.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[11:47]
*	peterl (~peterl@108-204-237-26.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[11:51]
peterl	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg6030319#msg6030319 danny speaks finally	[11:52]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings	[11:52]
Apocalyptic	.d	[11:52]
ozbot	5.007 billion \| Next Diff in 626 blocks \| Estimated Change: 15.0800% in 3d 16h 28m 16s	[11:52]
VanCleef	lol aweomsome now they are locking the thread	[11:54]
*	davout (~davout@unaffiliated/davout) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[11:56]
BingoBoingo	So... got scared, went fraud	[11:56]
antephialtic	... and neo is out of money and probably fucked	[11:57]
antephialtic	Good News For Bitcoin (TM)	[11:57]
VanCleef	and hes quitting	[11:57]
peterl	I just started a new thread for people to continue the discussion. I doubt, however, that he will answer in it.	[11:58]
BingoBoingo	The thing is he seems to describe it as neo's money	[11:58]
*	dignork has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[11:59]
peterl	I wonder if the line between his money and NEO's money was not clear enough?	[11:59]
*	dignork (~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[11:59]
BingoBoingo	Seems like it as his solution to Neo's lack of money is trying to take his equity in no money for someone else's money to acquire his worthless equity	[12:00]
VanCleef	i knew there was something wrong when i seen pictures of their office	[12:02]
VanCleef	big watse of money	[12:02]
*	Jackmaninov has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[12:06]
antephialtic	well I guess bitcoin is really going to take off in cyprus now	[12:06]
*	cbr (~cbr@unaffiliated/mbr/x-8285774) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:07]
VanCleef	shotgun some neobee office shairs	[12:08]
VanCleef	chairs	[12:08]
VanCleef	they look mint	[12:08]
*	peterl has quit (Quit: peterl)	[12:14]
BingoBoingo	This is the problem that happens when Facebook is allowed to IPO and a shitty Facebook game is allow to IPO soon after	[12:18]
VanCleef	dotcom bubble 2.0	[12:21]
*	Jackmaninov (~Jackmanin@we0069.dip.tu-dresden.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:21]
VanCleef	but yeh i hope MP books a flight to russia soon	[12:23]
VanCleef	he will be safe there	[12:23]
BingoBoingo	MP's probably safe most places in the world.	[12:23]
VanCleef	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.20	[12:23]
ozbot	MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges	[12:23]
VanCleef	scary the amount of power usa still has :/	[12:23]
VanCleef	go to russia dood	[12:23]
*	cedivad (~cedivad@95.44.249.146) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:26]
antephialtic	why would anyone want to buy the equity of an insolvent company	[12:29]
antephialtic	he doesn't mention the actual debts of neo&bee	[12:30]
antephialtic	which I am sure are quite massive	[12:30]
VanCleef	someone should make a list of all the fails this year	[12:30]
antephialtic	were a white knight to save them, all the existing shareholders would get wiped out anyways	[12:30]
BingoBoingo	The thing read as though "I wanted to go insolvent on my schedule, but I deposited with people who went insolvent first"	[12:30]
chetty	the sky is falling, the sky is falling the sky is falling	[12:31]
antephialtic	i don't have any money in neo. its just annoying to see another implosion that makes bitcoin look stupid to the rest of the unenlightened population	[12:32]
BingoBoingo	Eh, it seems by his retelling he could only disappear a quarter of what inputs.io disappeared. Progress-ish	[12:32]
chetty	agreed, that and the derps inventing stuff about MP in trouble	[12:32]
cazalla	those commercials are prime candidates for new subtitles aka hitler finds out type style	[12:32]
VanCleef	lol	[12:33]
chetty	not enough actual drama, must invent some more !!!	[12:33]
BingoBoingo	Pirate disappeared a quarter million BTC, TradeFortress disappeared 4000, Danny disappeared 1200. Soon we will get down to a single BTC being a newsworthy heist	[12:34]
*	AusBitBank (~adam@unaffiliated/ausbitbank) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:35]
VanCleef	dont forget bitfunder/weex scam	[12:37]
*	turbo_ac1001 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)	[12:37]
BingoBoingo	http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/2200w1/danny_has_broken_the_silence/cgi1862	[12:38]
BingoBoingo	VanCleef: Is that the thing neo bailed out for no damned reason?	[12:38]
*	wolverineks (~wolverine@cpe-66-27-105-162.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:39]
*	Airbitz (~yaaic@cpe-66-27-105-162.san.res.rr.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:39]
cazalla	so lose 10% to cypriot banks, lose the remaining 90% to neo?	[12:40]
BingoBoingo	Well, just holding BTC oneself was an option	[12:47]
*	wefree (c6176742@gateway/web/freenode/ip.198.23.103.66) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:47]
*	DianaComan (~Diana@2.24.208.169) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:48]
*	diana_coman has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)	[12:49]
*	Neil has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[12:49]
*	DianaComan has quit (Client Quit)	[12:49]
*	diana_coman (~Diana@2.24.208.169) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:50]
*	Neil (~Neil@q022163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:51]
*	samson_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[12:51]
*	samson_ (~ukru@202.8.72.105) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:51]
*	Neil has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[12:53]
*	Neil (~Neil@q022163.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[12:53]
*	Jackmaninov has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[12:56]
*	kermit has quit (Quit: Leaving.)	[13:00]
*	kermit (unknown@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:01]
*	wefree has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)	[13:10]
*	cbr_ (~cbr@g224229224.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:11]
*	cbr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[13:14]
*	gsdgdfs (~TransistO@modemcable050.43-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:18]
*	gsdgdfs has quit (Excess Flood)	[13:18]
*	gsdgdfs (~TransistO@modemcable050.43-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:19]
*	gsdgdfs has quit (Excess Flood)	[13:19]
*	gsdgdfs (~TransistO@modemcable050.43-80-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:19]
*	Transisto has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[13:20]
*	aabtc (uid27975@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zsjsdrdoejkjkaok) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:24]
*	xdotcommer has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[13:24]
*	xdotcommer (~xdotcomme@69.156.217.129) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:26]
Apocalyptic	hum looks like havelock is offline	[13:30]
*	antephialtic has quit (Quit: Leaving...)	[13:36]
*	HeySteve (HeySteve@41-133-91-166.dsl.mweb.co.za) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:39]
*	HeySteve has quit (Changing host)	[13:39]
*	HeySteve (HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:39]
*	kleinessteak (~kleinesst@dslb-088-068-238-244.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:41]
*	samson_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[13:42]
*	turbo_ac100 (~turbo@port-92-206-246-199.dynamic.qsc.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:50]
zacm	wonder what happened with bitfunder, still not been revealed	[13:57]
zacm	cazalla: ouch!!!	[13:57]
*	blackwhite (~blackwhit@204.153.192.4) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	haha i got my hitler paintings today.	[14:02]
*	HeySteve2 (HeySteve@41-133-186-194.dsl.mweb.co.za) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[14:03]
*	HeySteve2 has quit (Changing host)	[14:03]
*	HeySteve2 (HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[14:03]
*	HeySteve has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	zacm: so this is disconcerting to see the lemmings on bitcointalk cheer on us gov action against mpex people. bitcoin community must be eagerly anticipating govcoin i guess << i wouldn't read too much into the derpage of a coupla tards tbh.	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 pretty cool!	[14:05]
Neil	Something I'd wanted to know for a long time; now I can produce this easily: http://pastebin.com/7QSb6ypA	[14:06]
Neil	Block 266381 was good for 110 trillion difficulty!	[14:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1521 @ 0.00013758 = 0.2093 BTC [+] {3}	[14:06]
Neil	Also the genesis block was 2,536 times harder than necessary. Which is odd. It held the record for 1430 blocks.	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	tg2 the problem with your approach is that protocols are designed and implemented by they involved, not by the armchair generals. tis not up to you or whatever random derp on reddit to "draw up guidelines", there's no government of the people in bitcoin. there's government by bitcoin opf the people.	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	Neil pretty cool yeah, did you generate it ?	[14:07]
Neil	Yup	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	poor mike_c and his prime sarcasm falling on deaf ears :D	[14:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3332 @ 0.00013799 = 0.4598 BTC [+] {4}	[14:08]
*	HeySteve2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	blurden who are you perhaps the more instructive question.	[14:11]
*	lewicki (~lewicki@unaffiliated/lewicki) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[14:11]
artifexd	;;later tell Mats_cd03 What irc client are you using?	[14:12]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: it is always one thing to read a philosophical bit, and another to taste it on one's sorry skin << do tell ?	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: but i'm not about to buy a coin off some random noob with no trust ;p <<< ajaahaha the moment we've all been waioting for. nubsy baby, maybe buy it FOR ATC ?!?!?!?!	[14:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00094379 = 11.0423 BTC [+]	[14:17]
*	lewicki has quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC)	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	Ken` actually they just might.	[14:18]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	so did neobee finally issue that vaunted first quarterly statement that really shoulda been the third ?	[14:24]
mircea_popescu	VanCleef: someone should make a list of all the fails this year << not such a bad idea. http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/ only goes june 2011-dec 2012. there's all of 2013 to cover, plus a chunk of 2014	[14:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18374 @ 0.00094596 = 17.3811 BTC [+] {3}	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	aand all caught up. that wasnt so very bad huh.	[14:26]
VanCleef	nice	[14:30]
VanCleef	must read	[14:30]
*	sgnb has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[14:31]
jurov	wasn't benkay doing it?	[14:32]
*	sgnb (~user@wencory.loria.fr) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[14:32]
VanCleef	i only get till 28th of september 2012 mp	[14:32]
VanCleef	8th of december sorry	[14:32]
bounce	``Now, whilst some might welcome the reduction in the state caused by a loss of taxation, the state is THE key economic driver of innovation, prosperity and social mobility.'' -- this widely accepted in economists' circles?	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	bounce only state-sponsored circles.	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	it's kenseyanism	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	austrian school holds exactly the opposite to be true. back when the us-uk alliance consisted of reagan and thatcher, the exact opposite was widely held in... amusinglyt.... the same economist circles.	[14:34]
bounce	seems to me a bit of a mistaking the road for the horse	[14:35]
VanCleef	time to update it mp	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	kinda yeah.	[14:35]
VanCleef	might take a while heh	[14:35]
wywialm	mircea_popescu: isn't it socialism and not keynesianism? afaik keynesianism is "the state is THE key economic driver of innovation, prosperity and social mobility" but only when there are aggregate demand defficiencies	[14:37]
VanCleef	ima make a lil list of the last 2 years anyway	[14:38]
MisterE	What do you do when you work at a scrapyard and someone brings in an unexploded WW2 bomb?	[14:38]
MisterE	Bust out the plasma cutter and cut it open of course... http://news.yahoo.com/bangkok-scrap-workers-killed-opening-suspected-ww2-bomb-102333123--finance.html	[14:38]
VanCleef	win	[14:38]
dexx	how comes i have the impression there are only very few successful bitcoin businesses?	[14:38]
VanCleef	few? that's too many	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	wywialm i fail to distinguish socialism and keynesianism myself.	[14:38]
VanCleef	maybe a couple	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	seems a distinction without a difference.	[14:39]
dexx	> they used a blow torch to try to cut open the bomb	[14:39]
dexx	lol	[14:39]
*	neoncillo (~neoncillo@102.Red-79-156-17.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[14:39]
MisterE	yea, smart eh?	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/hitler-mp/	[14:39]
ozbot	Hitler MP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	;;eauth mircea_popescu	[14:39]
gribble	Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452	[14:39]
*	Jackmaninov (~Jackmanin@we0980.dip.tu-dresden.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:55114a79cafe0a548c8c138fea790f6468e25914906b2aa5e2198e6e	[14:40]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452	[14:40]
*	cads (~m@24-159-97-57.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[14:40]
wywialm	well, socialism sometimes vs socialism always is a difference even in principle and not only in quantity - the market is still the default in keynesianism	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	;;rate DrahogErusiel 1 Artwork delivered.	[14:40]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user DrahogErusiel has been recorded.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	;;rate SaltySpitoon 1 Escrow agent	[14:40]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user SaltySpitoon has been recorded.	[14:40]
dexx	hehe	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	btw, someone with a forum account drop a line to salty / the artist	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/portraits-commissions-and-original-paintings-by-maureen-gubia.204435/page-2#post-4486969	[14:41]
ozbot	portraits, commissions, and original paintings by Maureen Gubia \| Page 2 \| Bitcointa.lk	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	or post in thread or something	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	wywialm arguably. just like rape always and rape sometimes are ostensibly a difference in principle and not only in quantity.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	like if you keep a girl tied to a post in your basement and only rape her when she's not... willing, i guess you'd call it ?	[14:41]
*	kleinessteak has quit ()	[14:42]
turbo_ac100	Does google rank your site worse if I dont have the relevant TLD and do geotargeting only with webmaster tools?	[14:42]
turbo_ac100	*yours mine - SOME site.	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	turbo_ac100 i don't think it makes much difference.	[14:42]
turbo_ac100	grounded on what?	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	well, is .com the relevant tld for trilema ?	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	was .us/trilema/ relevant ?	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	i saw exactly 0 difference in switching.	[14:44]
*	cads has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)	[14:44]
wywialm	mircea_popescu: great comparison - though, the keynesian would maintain that the girl's always willing, only sometimes too shy to ask	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	right right	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	we don't buy that in court, so why would we buy it otherwise.	[14:45]
wywialm	i'm not selling keynesianism	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	merely the presence of "government contracts" in the us renders entire sectors state controlled/planned	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter they are well aware of this, hence the entire "conquer education by federal grant" programme past 20 years	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	wywialm i know you aren't, but stating it for teh record.	[14:46]
wywialm	you're very right on the govt contracts stuff, but i suppose the regulatory burden is much heavier for the economy than plain old fiscal intervention	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	the state has absolutely no business in economy at all.	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	this entire "oh but we know better" bs is simply mindboggling.	[14:49]
wywialm	true as well	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway, as technology frees more and more time, people can't resist the temptation to try and feel it with a delusion that they actually matter.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	which is teh deep reason the western world slid into socialism past century or so.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	s/try and feel it/try and fill it/	[14:51]
wywialm	but still - i'd opt for a government scandinavian style that is just fiscally opressive but much less tries to mix with the rules	[14:51]
bounce	well, you know. there's things that look like economics but are more important in other respects, and so the state might well step in and run the show.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	til neobee had IT'S OWN REDDIT ?! http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/	[14:51]
bounce	though clearly enough often enough the government has no clue either way and everyone suffers	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	this would be the first time reddit scammed teh btc public then ?	[14:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0564 = 0.1692 BTC [+]	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	wywialm i wouldn't.	[14:52]
wywialm	bounce, any examples?	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	yeah, examples ?	[14:52]
bounce	say, public transport. first you end up with lots of PT companies doing their thing and a right jumble it is. then the state steps in and puts it all under one umbrella. N years later it gets a bug up the old bum about privatisation and you end up with lots of little companies again... and worse service to higher cost.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	omfg, this is beyond cute. the derps on tardstalk actually tried to like... fud s.mpoe ?!	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	o god.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`s sides! etc!	[14:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04349965 = 0.261 BTC [-] {4}	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	bounce that's actually a great example.	[14:55]
bounce	or public health. you could provide good basic service to the entire population at a reasonable price (hidden in the tax bill), but if it has to be "market driven" you're certainly not going to get that. and that when it's to everyone's benefit that the workforce is healthy.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	public transportation is perhaps the best way to drive that entire argument.	[14:55]
VanCleef	i think SatoshiIsland needs some sort of governence but it should be like a company where you hire people for the positions via very complicated hard test, previous background and experiences and these positions should be interchangable every year and performance based	[14:56]
VanCleef	and interviews	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	bounce the only way i see this to be approachable is the medieval method (still used in romania for emergency medicine say) : you hire a boss. he does whatever he wants.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty much how the guilds ran things, back when european economy actually worked. it's how romania runs emergency medicine, thge guy's name is raed arafat.	[14:57]
*	montgomery has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	(for the exotically curious : parliament passed a law, guy went on tv to say the law fucking sucks, president called in to say well why didn't you tell me! let's iron it out!". it was a sight, the whole thing. )	[14:58]
wywialm	bounce: i can't see any economic justification for things turning that way. The evolution of PT in Poland is a direct proof to the contrary - a few efficient contractors in the bigger cities and between them, successfully coping with ever-increasing regulation	[14:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2980 @ 0.000081 = 0.2414 BTC [-] {11}	[14:59]
bounce	heh. guilds have the same problem as, well, anything else that gets power. it tends to become more important to hold onto power (by whichever means) which eventually might come at the cost of the thing they exist for	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	wywialm you familiar with the dumping issue ?	[15:01]
bounce	so I'll buy that as a vivid example of getting the right knowledge at the right place, but don't buy the form as a solve-all.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	bounce there's no solve all, outside of poincarre's.	[15:02]
wywialm	and regarding emergency medicine: i agree with mircea_popescu, adding that the most probable explanation for this are large economies of scale and perhaps public good as well	[15:02]
*	djcoin_ has quit (Quit: djcoin_)	[15:02]
bounce	basic healt care at any rate. the frivolous stuff, less so. and there's always the risk of glossing over the rare but expensive medical cases	[15:03]
bounce	s/lt/&h/	[15:03]
wywialm	at least partially, and as far as i managed to research it, i believe it's a non-issue, perhaps you could point to something convincing me to believe otherwise?	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	wywialm let me formalise it for the sake of public discussion.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	admitting for the sake of argument that competition happens on measurable parameters of defined products, all businesses will normally compete on operational efficiency	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	whoever manages to produce x as defined cheapest wins most of the market.	[15:05]
*	cedivad has quit (Quit: Leaving...)	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	however, if dumping is allowed, then company Y could sell product X for 0. inasmuch as none of its competitors have more money in the bank, they would necessarily go out of business.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	as a de facto monopoly, Y can now charge infinity for X.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	this will drive new competitors in the market, of crouse, but the system has two major problems :	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	one is that a competition on operational efficiency has been transformed in a simple financial competition of "who can support dumping longer"	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	and moreover, the entire point of the economy is to close the zero-infinity price window as soon as possible.	[15:06]
wywialm	well, it's very conditional of market organisation - barriers to entry for example	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	this goes against that.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	yes, but as a model, this is the economical reason you were asking for earlier.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	there does in fact exist an economical reason for things to play out that way.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	not necessarily strong enough for it to happen too often, or even at all. but factually, it does exist.	[15:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94778 @ 0.00094343 = 89.4164 BTC [-] {2}	[15:07]
wywialm	as a theoretical possiblity - i agree. but empirically, i have never seen it done	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	i have.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	it's how supermarkets work, fundamentally, all across the world. they drive out small shops in phase 1, with low prices	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	they take advantage of the captive market they created, afterwards.	[15:09]
bounce	and regularly attack each other with the same trick afterward	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	phase 1 lasts 3-5 years, and is actually evaluated as part of the financing of a new development.	[15:09]
bounce	it's not quite 0..inf but it does happen all the time	[15:09]
wywialm	have a look at education, for example - govt is permanently dumping the sector, there are no expectations to the reversal of the course and yet it doesn't manage to win the whole market	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	this is why the us sucks, basically. it, not having ancient microstructure in place, turned into a sprawl hellhole	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	european style towns where commercial and residential zones are not separated are rare in the us	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	wywialm it is not dumping the whole sector. even if mcdonald sold for free i wouldn't patronise them. i stll eat at good restaurants.	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	in fact, mcdonalss DOES sell for free in most of the us, it does more business as a proxy for usg welfare than anything else.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	same for all the ff chains.	[15:11]
wywialm	but the product differentiation is a good defense against dumping, as it can work only in very simple markets, food and education is not one of them	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	depends.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	we're dumping the shit out of high-end btc education in this chan, for instance.	[15:14]
wywialm	and i believe the 0..inf is never an option, the dumping winners can charge only a monopoly rent afterwards, having erected (rather weak) barriers to entry	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	it's part of my evil strategy of preventing the usg from ever mattering in this space.	[15:14]
wywialm	in a well-developed economy capital requrements are much less significant barrier, for example	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[15:15]
bounce	you're saying the us gov't cannot possibly learn?	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	it does get complicated real quick just as soon as one tries to take the theoretical model to the actual market	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	which is why economy is such metaphysics.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	bounce it can not possibly afford to pay people that can outcompete us in teaching.	[15:16]
bounce	economists do tend to get a bit hung up on solutions without really getting down to the structure of the underlying drivers	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	which brings in an interesting side point : recently the us propaganda press ran a story comparing military spending, showing the us as the sum of europe and other states.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	the quietly glossed over point being, of course, that a dollar of usg spending does not buy it a dollar of rl value.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	i buy at a discount, often significant. they buy at a premium, always significant.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	this and other imbalances make it so that the usg can not actually afford to compete in this particular market.	[15:17]
bounce	governments tend to do that. but how does the premium between us and eu gov'ts compare?	[15:18]
wywialm	thats funny that govt always points to costs and expenditures as something inherently positive	[15:18]
bounce	(at least what little I've seen of economists... let's see if I still have that impression in a year or so, say)	[15:18]
bounce	well, aren't they the drivers of the economy? so money raked in and tossed out is driving the economy, surely?	[15:19]
wywialm	hope we'll continue this fascinating discussion sometime later, i'll be going now	[15:20]
*	antephialtic has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	wywialm indeed. very funny.	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	bounce so they propose. like you know, the plowing fly proposes its exertions drive the ox.	[15:20]
wywialm	bye	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	later.	[15:21]
*	wywialm has quit (Quit: Page closed)	[15:21]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[15:31]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[15:31]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[15:31]
*	neoncillo has quit ()	[15:35]
*	HeySteve (~DinoSaw@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[15:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 18 @ 0.01400945 = 0.2522 BTC [-] {5}	[15:39]
*	Jackmaninov has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[15:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00094386 = 15.1018 BTC [+]	[15:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 118 @ 0.00088447 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {3}	[15:47]
*	Kushedout has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[15:51]
*	Kushedout (~Kushedout@adsl-69-227-110-178.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[15:52]
*	daybyter (~andreas@88-134-91-42-dynip.superkabel.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[15:58]
*	bloctoc has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[15:58]
*	ThickAsThieves (ThickAsThi@c-98-231-58-41.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:00]
*	ThickAsThieves is now known as Guest17831	[16:00]
*	dR3 has quit (Quit: Choose1...eat/sleep/sex/smoke/beer =D)	[16:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00094958 = 20.321 BTC [+]	[16:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.57975513 = 3.4785 BTC [-] {5}	[16:15]
*	cedivad (~cedivad@95.44.249.146) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.57228777 = 14.8795 BTC [-] {7}	[16:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00571686 = 1.1434 BTC [-] {5}	[16:19]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:20]
*	Lee- (~Lee@unaffiliated/lee-) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:22]
Guest17831	http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2014-04-02/	[16:24]
ozbot	Dilbert comic strip for 04/02/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.	[16:24]
*	AusBitBank has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)	[16:24]
*	CheckDavid (uid14990@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dypsdkfuipajmxqp) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:24]
Guest17831	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553818.0	[16:25]
ozbot	My new TREZOR	[16:25]
*	antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[16:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 340 @ 0.00088646 = 0.3014 BTC [+] {5}	[16:26]
Namworld	That comic looks spot on.	[16:28]
MisterE	MS is still dumping Xbox afaik	[16:32]
MisterE	sold at a loss for years	[16:32]
chetty	mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.20// when are getting a medal from the foundation for taking the heat?	[16:33]
*	darkee (~darkee@gateway/tor-sasl/darkee) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	i think they only have medals perpared for the surprisingly-arrested	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	nothing designed for the surprisingly-not-arrested	[16:34]
Guest17831	Danny speaks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg6030319#msg6030319	[16:34]
Guest17831	one thing i dont get, is why he'd be stepping down for death threats, before anyone was worried about the rumors	[16:35]
Guest17831	doesnt quite add up	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	o look at that, scott adams trying to kaching on things that are happening but he can't be bothered to understand	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	how very hot topic of him.	[16:36]
chetty	sure it does, 2+2=5, no?	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	Guest15829 classical scammer talk. "the scam would have been fine if it weren't for the evil interlopers fud"	[16:36]
Guest17831	also, he says he covered for the locked coins in BF/Gox	[16:37]
*	HeySteve2 (HeySteve@41-133-187-5.dsl.mweb.co.za) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:37]
*	HeySteve2 has quit (Changing host)	[16:37]
*	HeySteve2 (HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:37]
Guest17831	but then says if he had them there would be enough money	[16:37]
Guest17831	:?	[16:37]
Guest17831	and wraps up it up in a neat little bow by saying he wants to sell his stake	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	it's very simple : "if you people were nice i'd have paid for this out of pocket but because you were mean i am not so neeneer"	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	just about at the conceptual level of the average bitcointard.	[16:38]
Guest17831	he should just pass his stake to Neo, it has no value with all that debt anyway	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	obviously "what's best for his fambly" is trying to make a split anyway.	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	hardly teh point. i dunno why all these scammor dudes imagine that's an argument. yes dude, if we wanted to feed your fambly we'd have just donated you the btc.	[16:39]
*	HeySteve has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	next time when you're out to do "what's best for your fambly" go ask for donations. ceos do what's best for their shareholders.	[16:40]
Guest17831	i didnt verify my nick now that i set enforce on :(	[16:41]
Guest17831	how long must i wait!	[16:41]
Namworld	April 1, nice date for such a topic, chetty.	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	just say release	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	/msg NickServ release nick	[16:42]
*	Guest17831 is now known as ThickAsThieves	[16:43]
*	Asa9 (~Asa9@99-100-52-109.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:43]
*	ThickAsThieves has quit (Changing host)	[16:43]
*	ThickAsThieves (ThickAsThi@unaffiliated/thickasthieves) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:43]
Namworld	Herp has a rating agency? He forgot derp in the title for Herp Derp Rating Agency	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	thx!	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	wb	[16:44]
*	dR3 (~dR3@d142-179-255-10.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.5710002 = 2.284 BTC [-]	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	wait. hadn't danny claimed that they had lost nothing on mtgox	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	"because the signs were there" ?	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	way to prove oneself a liar jeez.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	i mean stupid is one thing. hard to hide, already well known, no big deal. but a liar is a different story.	[16:46]
ThickAsThieves	well he manages to say it both ways in this post	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	that any losses were personal	[16:47]
VanCleef	lol	[16:47]
VanCleef	another bitcoin classic diaster	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	but if he had the coins lost everything wouold be ok	[16:48]
ThickAsThieves	did he cover the losses but not cover them?	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	that's besides the point.	[16:48]
VanCleef	i trust banks and wallstreet more and more everyday	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	two weeks ago he claimed no funds were lost in gox. today he claims funds were lost in gox.	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	that's pretty much the end of hte line.	[16:48]
ThickAsThieves	sigh	[16:49]
VanCleef	i heard he doesn't even have a daughter	[16:50]
Mats_cd03	so much for limited liability	[16:50]
ThickAsThieves	he has a daughter	[16:50]
chetty	VanCleef, i trust banks and wallstreet more and more everyday // at least you know you will be cheated, in btc space its still an open question	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:51]
*	mike_c (~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	if it werent for the handful of people not cheating, btc would be much easier to read	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	i blame mp!	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	youre what makes scamming possibru	[16:52]
VanCleef	at least wallstreet and banks take off your pants first before fucking you in the ass, bitcoiners make you wear a pair of jeans first	[16:53]
VanCleef	just a bunch of cowards hiding behind their computers	[16:54]
ThickAsThieves	wow even TradeFortress posted in a Neo thread	[16:56]
ThickAsThieves	odd	[16:57]
*	[\] (~imsaguy@unaffiliated/imsaguy) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	i should intradite myself.	[16:58]
VanCleef	i hope tf got fucked over	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	well he aint in jail, soooo	[16:59]
VanCleef	like the jizz sock that he is	[17:00]
Mats_cd03	;;tell artifexd irccloud	[17:00]
Mats_cd03	;;later tell artifexd irccloud	[17:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00094652 = 12.0681 BTC [-]	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/7f9ed98dbff9c7ccce7056a9b53dad68/tumblr_mj8r2tO4ZR1s7eb1eo1_500.jpg	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	brunettes make the best blondes.	[17:04]
Mats_cd03	i dont discriminate based on hair color	[17:07]
Mats_cd03	all boobies are legal in my jurisdiction	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/	[17:08]
ozbot	BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	the hopefully final-final restatement of that thing jesus.	[17:08]
*	soulblade738_ (~soulblade@gateway/tor-sasl/soulblade738) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3555 @ 0.00012411 = 0.4412 BTC [-] {11}	[17:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17248 @ 0.00094719 = 16.3371 BTC [+] {2}	[17:12]
*	soulblade738 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[17:13]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg6033647#msg6033647	[17:15]
ozbot	Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread)	[17:15]
chetty	"but if it weren't for the trolls it appears that it could have still managed."	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	well at least sa is having fun.	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	"MP should buy Neo and Bee and be the next CEO."	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	so backwards, this buying of the company concept	[17:21]
pankkake	kakobrekla was also nominated as Cognitive new CEO	[17:21]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	so basically "mp is the only solvent entity in bitcoin finance we would like us to spend his money just as we whine about how mean and evil he is" ?	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	sounds a whole fucking lot like socialism to me.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	congrats, western world, this is what you've built.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	now go beat up your children and send them naked i nthe street to earn a living	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	it'll be for their own good.	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	it's like multi-layered thought is no longer possible	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	just one level	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	the lizards are taking over!	[17:23]
chetty	ThickAsThieves, nah that happened a long time ago	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	isn't bitcoin great tho ? it empowers me to literaly urinate all over their faces.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	were it not for bitcoin, i'm sure some elected official or other would have thought this is "prudent".	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	to be honest i still get shaken that bitcoin just wont work because humans	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	it'll work just fine.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	those humans will just make very fine human skin lampshades is all.	[17:25]
*	antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	it was always about the salvation of the worthy, never about the salvation of the flock as a whole.	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	so many of them, so few of us	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	i hope yer right though	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	odds are in your favor	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	that's for sure	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	well technically there are more chickens too.	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	indeed indeed	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	one more thing to worry about, thanks!	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations estimated that in 2002 there were nearly sixteen billion chickens in the world, counting a total population of 15,853,900,000	[17:26]
*	[\] has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	(amusingly, bangladesh and nigeria are in the top 15)	[17:27]
VanCleef	fuck sake securities thread is mostly made up of neobee and activemining threads	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder if this forum investor IPO thing is over now	[17:28]
ThickAsThieves	to be clear,	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	just like in the old glbse blowup days lol	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	i do think scams will still come around	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	but the audience is gone	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	no room for notable ones	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	the forum is like 5 guys with 500 accounts	[17:29]
ThickAsThieves	and .5 bitcoin	[17:29]
VanCleef	lol	[17:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [+]	[17:29]
VanCleef	probably hey	[17:29]
jborkl	mircea_popescu> The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations estimated that in 2002 there were nearly sixteen billion chickens in the world, counting a total population of 15,853,900,000 < I wonder how many people taxpayers employed to count all the chickens?	[17:30]
jborkl	:)	[17:30]
VanCleef	lets face it bitcoin is only good for scamming	[17:30]
VanCleef	hope the price goes to 0	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	vancleef what i'm saying is, how much more scamming can there really be	[17:31]
ThickAsThieves	Wall Streets turn i guess	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	jborkl well most of this is farmed, you know ? they're reported anyway, for various regulatory purposes	[17:31]
VanCleef	wallstreet is much safe than bitcoiners	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves we said (or moreover, hoped) exactly the same 3-4 times already.	[17:31]
jborkl	yeah I know	[17:31]
VanCleef	they'll always be scams and suckers	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	the collection of dr foreskins, ie, pompous if clueless nobodies, is endless.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	hence the story of pointless and witless.	[17:32]
CheckDavid	Why is gold more popular than platinum in finance?	[17:32]
VanCleef	thanks to this bitcoin shit, scamming has become alot easier	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	i guess the next rallies will bring the new blood	[17:32]
ThickAsThieves	the menstrual cycle of money	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	exactly. the forum had been negligible btc anyway, for a long time now.	[17:32]
VanCleef	yeh the rally scam	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid "more popular" ?	[17:32]
jborkl	but that means somedud is out there chocking his chicken 16 billion times to make nuggets	[17:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1477 @ 0.00012185 = 0.18 BTC [-] {6}	[17:32]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: lack of a better term :(	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	jborkl actually it's mostly automatred now. most chickens in the world touch a human inside the mouth for the first time in their... existence.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid but what were you trying to say	[17:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5831 @ 0.00011783 = 0.6871 BTC [-] {11}	[17:33]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: for example. I rarely see platinum as an instrument on brokers. But gold is very common	[17:34]
CheckDavid	Gold is always mentioned historically as a store of value and currency	[17:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 957 @ 0.00011196 = 0.1071 BTC [-] {5}	[17:34]
chetty	I dont think bitcoin has more scams that other things, its just more visible, to us	[17:35]
VanCleef	man i'm so sick of scams, i try and do the right thing and not be scammy and support this bitcoin shit but its just full of fucking animals	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid are you trying to ask why isn't platinum a monetary metal ?	[17:35]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: maybe. Let's put it that way. I m just looking for some perspective	[17:35]
VanCleef	from now on whenver a mainstrea person asks me about bitcoin i'm just going to tell them to stay away from it because its all just bullshit and lies and a pyramid scheme and full of pos scammers	[17:36]
VanCleef	fuck you satoshi	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	because gold is, and there can only be one.	[17:36]
*	kermit has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	VanCleef who was going to ask you ?	[17:36]
VanCleef	i get asked about it from mom and pop investors	[17:37]
VanCleef	i didn't even invest in neobee but just so sick and tired of all the scams all the time	[17:38]
VanCleef	fucking animals	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	so you didn't invest,w hat do you care.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	and what's some random dork, long exposed anyway, have to do with bitcoin	[17:38]
VanCleef	the whole bitcoin industry	[17:38]
mike_c	just tell them to stay away from havelock, it's not hard.	[17:38]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: what about platinum vs silver?	[17:38]
VanCleef	havelock will shut down this year	[17:39]
VanCleef	i want to work at a government agency and bring bitcoin down	[17:39]
VanCleef	sick of it	[17:39]
mike_c	insert money into mouth :) http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	probably too expensive per ounce	[17:39]
*	Jackmaninov (~Jackmanin@wb0037.dip.tu-dresden.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:39]
CheckDavid	So it's a matter of volume mircea_popescu ?	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	silver is appealing to poor people in the manner ltc is appealing to kids with gpus	[17:40]
CheckDavid	I see	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	platinum does not share that trait.	[17:40]
mike_c	while i'm shilling bitbet, these are outrageously good odds on 'yes'. http://bitbet.us/bet/796/an-eastern-conference-team-will-win-the-nba/	[17:40]
*	darkee has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[17:41]
CheckDavid	And maybe it's not ' beautiful' as good	[17:41]
pankkake	so, when will there be a gold future on mpex? will it be called pmex? :)	[17:41]
CheckDavid	*gold	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	weren't all the good teams in the west ?	[17:41]
mike_c	except miami heat and indiana pacers	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	pankkake just as soon as someone with an actual gold business grows some balls.	[17:41]
*	darkee (~darkee@gateway/tor-sasl/darkee) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	indiana pacers is now a good team !?	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	(i last followed nba cca 1993, cause i was playing some pretty cool simulator for the pc.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	it had byrd and johnson etc)	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/37378da0d39c775f54ab0d2276aade5e/tumblr_mkz6zdxz6W1reurnmo1_1280.jpg	[17:44]
*	nubbins` (~leel@stjhnf0157w-047055238034.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.nl.bellaliant.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.eatliver.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/t1.jpg	[17:47]
pankkake	http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Crocker%27s_rules	[17:47]
ozbot	Crocker's rules - Lesswrongwiki	[17:47]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i can ask him if he'd accept ATC... what's 6BTC worth of ATC these days, anyway?	[17:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00094554 = 16.1687 BTC [-]	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	like 100 satoshi per atc afaik ?	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	but i dun recall wha we're discussing here	[17:48]
nubbins`	also, i got this weird twinge in my sides at 11:54, strange	[17:48]
nubbins`	me rebuying a casascius coin	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:48]
*	kermit (~zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	o o hehe	[17:48]
nubbins`	"hello sir plz to rebuy"	[17:49]
pankkake	6BTC is probably the whole ATC market cap!	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	just a bout.	[17:49]
ThickAsThieves	nonsense, i'll sell 10% of my ATC for 6btc	[17:49]
nubbins`	well, i tell ya what. there's this guy, see, and he wants to sell a coin	[17:52]
nubbins`	altho TBF if he's realized he just blew too big of a wad and wants $$ back, i think ATC will be a bit of a hard sell	[17:52]
nubbins`	http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/50-for-50-fine-silver-coin-polar-bear-2014-prod1930018#.Uzwjg61dVro	[17:53]
ozbot	$50 for $50 Fine Silver Coin - Polar Bear (2014)	[17:53]
nubbins`	i really like these "face for face" silver coins	[17:53]
chetty	http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/study-vegetarians-less-healthy-lower-quality-of-life-than-meat-eaters/	[17:54]
ozbot	Study: Vegetarians Less Healthy, Lower Quality Of Life Than Meat-Eaters « CBS Atlanta	[17:54]
nubbins`	ahahah lel @ portrait mp	[17:55]
*	zoinky (~Adium@unaffiliated/zoinky) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:56]
*	[\] (~imsaguy@66.158.72.2) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[17:56]
*	[\] is now known as Guest69368	[17:57]
nubbins`	http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/10000/7000/100/217164/217164.strip.gif	[17:57]
Namworld	I'm not sure why you're so pissed VanCleef... Bitcoin acts like cash but digital. hard to get back, no reversal mechanism.	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	chetty read the paper	[17:58]
Namworld	People borrowing/wanting cash for their business/family/whatever. Even friends/family often. You then have to run after the money/never see it again.	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	the study represents about 31 vegetarians	[17:58]
pankkake	so the study doesn't even even try to separate other factors (i.e. vegetarians being more physically active and health conscious, while non vegetarians includes mcdonalds eating couch potatoes)	[17:59]
Namworld	The issue is people fail to realize Bitcoin isn't like banks, it's like cash for the digital space.	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	it also doesnt separate whether those vegetarians became such to help with said health problems	[17:59]
*	daybyter has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)	[17:59]
mike_c	;;create bitbet "The dilbert comic from April 2nd will be posted in b-a more than 10 times"	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	for example i'm pretty sure going whole food vegan reduces allergies	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	not adds them	[18:00]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg6030319#msg6030319	[18:00]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings	[18:00]
Namworld	Sending Bitcoins to Neobee is like investing cash in the guy screaming on the street corner he's starting a bank. He start by buying pamphlets and distributing them for advertising the business, hyping and taking further cash in.	[18:00]
Namworld	Most of the time, the appearance of being professional, having offices and all is pure artifice and money wasting.	[18:01]
Namworld	The forum is like the street, don't invest lots of cash with anyone you meet with good sounding claims.	[18:03]
*	tyrion70 (~Adium@unaffiliated/tyrion70) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i thought it wasn't that bad rly.	[18:03]
Namworld	Scams aside, if you're not doing any kind of lending/investing, BTC can be very secure and works very well in the digital space for wealth transfer.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves dun hate jus' because your life quality is lower :D	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	well how would i know anyway	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	my life is my life	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	damaged lifegoods	[18:05]
chetty	typical of whats being put out as 'science' these days actually	[18:05]
pankkake	Namworld: reminds me of Shooting Fish	[18:06]
Namworld	?	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	on the let's lulz @wikipedia angle : article about mp http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mircea_Popescu&action=history 12kb, untouched since last month.	[18:06]
pankkake	a movie about scammers; they get investors but everything is faked	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	article about how there shouldn't be an article about mp http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mircea_Popescu&action=history 19kb, updated daily.	[18:07]
chetty	ThickAsThieves, I actually did 5ish years as vegetarian, it was fine health wise	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	almsot as good trollage as the forum on display.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	pankkake wasn't that wall street ?	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	(1980s film)	[18:07]
VanCleef	sorry namworld bit emotional	[18:07]
pankkake	it's a british movie	[18:08]
pankkake	haven't seen wall street	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	no wait not the 80s one	[18:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5715001 = 4.572 BTC [+] {2}	[18:08]
VanCleef	boiler room is a good movie	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	yeah that one!	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	wd cleefsy.	[18:09]
nubbins`	hmm i think my homo zebra needs a cigarette	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	pipe ?	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	long cigholder ?	[18:11]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/kKgYXoH	[18:11]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[18:11]
nubbins`	just a plain ol' cig	[18:11]
nubbins`	a dart, if you will	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Cigarette_holder.png	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	that. srsly.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	he's so working class it bleeds.	[18:11]
nubbins`	ah, a hepburn/thompson	[18:12]
nubbins`	so the power button on my cellular telephone has been working only intermittently these past weeks	[18:14]
Namworld	I got hit hard when I joined the forum. Didn't expect what I stumbled upon. It seems everyone are connected with sock puppets. Mostly artifices.	[18:14]
nubbins`	on the bright side, a replacement part is only $25	[18:14]
nubbins`	on the dim side, it requires a complete dismantling of the phone	[18:14]
Mats_cd03	reminds me of an opium pipe	[18:15]
Mats_cd03	but, you know, small.	[18:15]
Namworld	Should have been more careful. Kind of expected "high risk", should have expected "ludicrous risk".	[18:15]
*	twizt (18bc4772@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.188.71.114) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[18:18]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canadian-brad-katsuyama-in-spotlight-over-rigged-markets-allegation-1.2594639	[18:19]
ozbot	Canadian Brad Katsuyama in spotlight over 'rigged' markets allegation - Business - CBC News	[18:19]
Namworld	Speaking of life quality, by all estimates, I won't be lacking funds in the future. But as long as that's not a reality and is just on paper, my living standards are pretty low. Well according to local standards anyway.	[18:20]
Namworld	I could probably live better on much less if I moved to another country.	[18:20]
nubbins`	Namworld this is generally true of anyone living in a "first world" country	[18:21]
*	arizona (187915c1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.121.21.193) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[18:21]
nubbins`	doubly so if you're in a "first world neighbourhood" of said country	[18:21]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[18:22]
*	Guest79299 is now known as thestringpuller	[18:22]
Namworld	I'm in a poorer area of the city, but far from the poorest.	[18:22]
*	tyrion70 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)	[18:22]
nubbins`	due to the wonders of gradual gentrification, there are very few "poor areas" in my city larger than a block or so	[18:23]
nubbins`	generally it's a mix of poor drug addicts and professionals	[18:23]
thestringpuller	lol "gentrification"	[18:24]
nubbins`	nice word hey?	[18:24]
nubbins`	"making it fit for the gentry"	[18:24]
nubbins`	same root as "gentleman"	[18:25]
*	HeySteve2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[18:26]
nubbins`	but srsly. there's maybe 40 houses on my dead-end street, property values ranging from $80k to $250k	[18:26]
Namworld	Going to stay like that until I at least repay all my debts. Probably going to stay like that for a while after I repay my debts. You make sure you have no debts and the business is well and you have a nice cushion.	[18:26]
*	antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)	[18:26]
*	HeySteve (HeySteve@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[18:26]
diametric	nubbins`: sounds like you're talking about Baltimore.	[18:26]
nubbins`	diametric: sure, except we don't really have black people here	[18:26]
Namworld	Then you can live well, not the other way around.	[18:26]
Namworld	Otherwise you jeopardize everything.	[18:27]
thestringpuller	Namworld: 0 debt? What if you need credit for a large project.	[18:27]
nubbins`	something like 1% of the population of st john's is black	[18:27]
thestringpuller	I'd assume as long as you make a profit despite capital expenses, credit/debt can be good sometimes	[18:28]
Namworld	Ideally you don't. Although I haven't had problem getting credit.	[18:28]
diametric	It's pretty incredible to look at. In on block you'll see very expensive homes, rich white people walking expensive toy dogs. Go one block down, and you have thugs peddling herion on the corner and prostitutes blowing dudes in the alley.	[18:28]
Namworld	But yes, I agree.	[18:28]
thestringpuller	I guess "short-term" credit is much better than "long term"	[18:28]
nubbins`	diametric: that sounds nice	[18:28]
thestringpuller	given taking short term credit is for expenses leading to a profit and not just buying Ferrari	[18:29]
diametric	nubbins`: Its even better because the crime rarely crosses the boundary of the block because the police and criminals have an informal pact. They don't mess with the gentrified areas, the police don't mess with their shitholes.	[18:29]
nubbins`	everybody's happy except the poor people who aren't criminals!	[18:30]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[18:30]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00093355 / 0.00094107 / 0.00094958 (958718 shares, 902.23 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094289 / 0.00095866 (7302745 shares, 6,885.75 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087815 / 0.00096 (30017455 shares, 26,360.00 BTC)	[18:30]
thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe	[18:30]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094554 BTC [-]	[18:30]
diametric	nubbins`: exactly	[18:31]
VanCleef	neobee was a pretty shitty name anyway	[18:31]
Namworld	If you make largesses to yourself, you go "Boohoo, I've run out of funds, spending everything on advertising and a big salary to myself, now there's nothing left. I'm sorry. So sad." Like neobee and the like.	[18:31]
ThickAsThieves	the name was actually just Neo	[18:31]
Mats_cd03	what, you don't think hamsterdam (a la The Wired) would work?	[18:32]
nubbins`	Mats_cd03 not without an omar ;(	[18:32]
Mats_cd03	(i personally do -- that reality has played out thousands of times in thousands of jurisdictions)	[18:32]
VanCleef	Neo & Morpheus	[18:32]
nubbins`	^	[18:32]
Namworld	I'll still call it Neobee. Neo never existed anyway, or came close to fruition.	[18:33]
nubbins`	what if i told you... that your investment went straight into the pockets of cypriot marketing firms?	[18:33]
VanCleef	lol nubbins	[18:33]
pankkake	first time I loled to a morpheus meme!	[18:34]
Namworld	and in Danny's fat salary?	[18:34]
Namworld	How much was he paying himself anyway?	[18:34]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[23:09]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[23:09]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[23:09]
*	[freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? Please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp	[23:09]
*	cedivad (~cedivad@95.44.249.146) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	cedivad hey	[23:11]
cedivad	mircea_popescu hey	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	nice work on the .lk thing	[23:12]
*	JorgePasada (~textual@c-76-105-243-248.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	(that is yours is it ?)	[23:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.043895 = 0.439 BTC [+] {2}	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`:what if i told you... that your investment went straight into the pockets of cypriot marketing firms? << that's only part of it. even should the guy have been fucktarded enough to pay ratecard, which is not entirely impossible, given how well his brain worked otherwise,	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	i can't for the life of me imagine those firms didn't throw him kickbacks under the table	[23:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0560255 = 0.2241 BTC [-] {4}	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	we're talking cyprus here, which is worse than greece, which is about 50x as bad as chicago in 1890.	[23:16]
cedivad	yes, it is, and thank you (again) :)	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	kickback culture is about as ingrained as kleenexing in the us, i just can't imagine any context in which it'd have been omitted.	[23:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.577 = 1.154 BTC [+]	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	cedivad you actively working on it ? or kinda made-and-forget sorta deal for oyu ?	[23:17]
cedivad	i'm sporadically working on it	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	aite. well if you need help say, who knows.	[23:19]
*	danielpbarron (~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:21]
*	princessnell has quit (Quit: Page closed)	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/0ebe6561215a6a7a5af83de0a80989b1/tumblr_mkz9xgXFqM1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	ckk powar!	[23:24]
*	kualafingers has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[23:28]
moiety	that one really needs shoes	[23:28]
moiety	evening all	[23:28]
*	kualafingers (deerok@85.13.196.230) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	the imf is now "warning of low inflation". for the love of all the gods, this is like living in a dali painting.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	weren't these fuckwits all over everyone's case all through the 90s about how they're supposed to deflate ? argentina, brazil, asia, the works ?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	moiety hey there.	[23:29]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: why do you keep posting pics of poor people from your country with no clothes?	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkOqFEECUAAqEVZ.png << half of china is roughly the size of california.	[23:30]
*	praeconium (~Adium@46.161.124.34) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid actually that's the ukraine, and i'm trying to get a trend going.	[23:30]
Mats_cd03	i anticipate a tripling of chinese expats in the next ten years	[23:30]
*	djcoin_ (~d@ppp121-44-221-197.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 whyssat ?	[23:30]
Mats_cd03	.cn sux	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	even if you're rich /	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	?	[23:31]
moiety	CheckDavid: they generally look quite happy	[23:31]
Mats_cd03	and the nouveau rich are numerous enough to leave the country	[23:31]
*	praeconium1 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[23:31]
*	davide (~cedivad@95.44.249.146) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:31]
*	praeconium (~Adium@46.161.124.34) has left #bitcoin-assets	[23:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57102 = 2.8551 BTC [-]	[23:31]
Mats_cd03	yeah, even if youre rich, the weathy and smart chinese try to leave	[23:31]
Mats_cd03	or at least send their children to western schools	[23:31]
*	fordlincoln has quit (Quit: Leaving.)	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	hm	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	i always thought it's quaintly corrupt and thus quite comfortable.	[23:32]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: which trend? Posting pics. Taking them? Or just hanging around naked on the street?	[23:32]
moiety	there's more people in london than the whole of scotland	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid women under 30 spending their life in the buff.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	moiety yeah but what about sheep ? :D	[23:33]
CheckDavid	Buff?	[23:34]
*	cedivad has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	dude you're really new are you ?	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	naked.	[23:34]
thestringpuller	;;ud buff	[23:34]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=buff \| When someone is looking fine u say they are buff (London ting)	[23:34]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: buff	[23:34]
*	velacreations (432fe5b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.47.229.182) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:34]
CheckDavid	I didn't know that term that's all	[23:35]
moiety	mircea_popescu: thats something we have in abundance! take that london!	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	:D	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	César Salazar “Lo más difícil es dar el primer paso” - Alguien que nunca llegó al centésimo paso	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	whoa check that out, apparently you can say intelligent things in spanish!	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	who knew.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid so now you do :p	[23:36]
CheckDavid	Baha	[23:36]
CheckDavid	Yeah now I do	[23:36]
*	asciilifeform has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[23:36]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: if you watch modern family. There's zone got chick there always quoting popular wisdom is Spanish	[23:37]
CheckDavid	She was talking with this single woman who couldn't find a partner	[23:37]
*	kualafingers has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[23:37]
moiety	http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/01/the-elephant-in-the-living-room-baby-elephant-wanders-into-familys-house-4685779/	[23:37]
CheckDavid	And said something like	[23:37]
ozbot	Thula Thula Private Game Reserve: Elephant wanders into family's house \| Metro News	[23:37]
moiety	that guy beats my sheep D:	[23:38]
CheckDavid	Love is always waiting around the corner.	[23:38]
moiety	well CheckDavid can it stop waiting please, im no spring chicken	[23:38]
CheckDavid	(I come from a country with a lot of prostitutes)	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	hahah	[23:38]
moiety	thats nice for you	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	what country is that ?	[23:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41018 @ 0.0009464 = 38.8194 BTC [-] {2}	[23:38]
diametric	yeah that narrows it down...	[23:39]
*	kualafingers (deerok@85.13.196.230) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	diametric :p	[23:40]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czUeYuR_M0Y	[23:40]
*	velacreations has quit (Quit: Page closed)	[23:40]
CheckDavid	Sorry moiety ?	[23:40]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: I think she is from Columbia	[23:40]
Mats_cd03	mircea_popescu: the country has been pooped on by industrialization	[23:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17608 @ 0.00094548 = 16.648 BTC [-]	[23:42]
*	tyrion70 (~Adium@unaffiliated/tyrion70) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	moiety lol shit's adorable	[23:42]
*	Duffer1 has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517])	[23:43]
*	kualafinger (kualafinge@85.13.196.230) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:43]
*	kualafingers has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)	[23:44]
*	benkay has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00094565 = 9.1728 BTC [+]	[23:46]
blg	CheckDavid: you are from columbia?	[23:46]
CheckDavid	No blg	[23:47]
CheckDavid	moiety: very cute elephant	[23:47]
blg	oh	[23:47]
ThickAsThieves	"Given Russia's ongoing violation of Ukraine¹s sovereignty and territorial integrity, until further notice, the U.S. Government has determined that all NASA contacts with Russian Government representatives are suspended, unless the activity has been specifically excepted. This suspension includes NASA travel to Russia and visits by Russian Government representatives to NASA facilities,	[23:47]
ThickAsThieves	bilateral meetings, email, and teleconferences or videoconferences. At the present time, only operational International Space Station activities have been excepted. In addition, multilateral meetings held outside of Russia that may include Russian participation are not precluded under the present guidance."	[23:47]
ThickAsThieves	we wont do business with you! except where we really need you!	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	so no more us flights to the space station ?	[23:48]
ThickAsThieves	SpaceX never felt so special	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	first they cut the sub-mars nasa budget, now they cut its space station budget under the guise of politics	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	nasa is sort-of like the next neobee	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://jezebel.com/the-united-states-of-bros-a-map-and-field-guide-1550563737 << check out the liberated girls that last got laid back when their hair was a lot shorter hating on teh chicago brohood.	[23:49]
bounce	so, care to step in and fund mpspace and mpmooncolony?	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather give to Worldwide Nude Whoredom Foundation.	[23:49]
bounce	especially seeing that mpoe-pr needs a vacation	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	ahaha so you want mpoe-pr sent to teh planets ? noted.	[23:50]
bounce	it'd make for a goodly long trip literally far away from all teh tr0lls	[23:50]
steven-__	people are always blathering on about women in tech where is the outrage over MPOE-PR, surely this is more of a story than that github whore or the nigger who tweeted a picture of some boys making dongle jokes?	[23:51]
bounce	right, scratch that idea. instead of giant pepsi and/or coce ads in orbit we'd get giant nekkid lahdeez in orbit	[23:51]
*	Diablo-D3 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	steven-__ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2014#563571	[23:53]
*	asciilifeform (~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:54]
*	asciilifeform is now known as Guest11247	[23:54]
*	antephialtic (~antephial@71.198.254.202) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	and since on it, CheckDavid http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#476559 :p	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	you aaaaare noooot aloooone	[23:55]
*	kleinessteak (~kleinesst@dslb-088-068-238-244.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:55]
*	Diablo-D3 (~diablo@d-ptld-bng1-70-20-36-102.ngn.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:56]
*	Duffer1 (~chatzilla@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	drkow why so mean ?	[23:57]
*	jborkl (~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:58]
*	antephialtic has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)	[23:58]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: I guess I have to go to ukraine	[23:59]
CheckDavid	The women are just my style	[23:59]
CheckDavid	Physically	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	news at eight : tall young white women in everyone's style, this reporter has learned.	[23:59]

« Forum logs for 01 Apr 2014

Forum logs for 03 Apr 2014 »

Category: Logs

Comments feed : RSS 2.0. Leave your own comment below, or send a trackback.

Add your cents! »

If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed.

Forum logs for 02 Apr 2014

Recent Comments

Recent Articles

Pages

Say NO! to platforms