Forum logs for 01 Nov 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
kakobrekla its its size marginal ? [00:01]
mircea_popescu incidentally, i invented a new collective noun [00:02]
mircea_popescu a SCAM of words. [00:02]
jurov Apocalyptic: too busy outside btc? [00:02]
Apocalyptic yeah, that's the main reason, the ATC trading was the only thing that kept me running it lately [00:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform> if there were a 'pepsi' alternative to usg, folks who can make any claim at value would be defecting in droves. << there is, they aren't. [00:03]
mircea_popescu not in droves anyway. [00:03]
mircea_popescu perhaps because never has it been the case that value and droves met. [00:03]
mircea_popescu well nice of you to have accomodated Apocalyptic [00:04]
mircea_popescu ;;rated Apocalyptic [00:04]
gribble You rated user Apocalyptic on Fri Feb 14 01:37:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: x-bt.com etc. [00:04]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Apocalyptic 2 ex-x-bt.com [00:04]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Apocalyptic has changed from 1 to 2. [00:04]
mircea_popescu half the planet irradiated for the glory of the leader << you confuse warring kingdoms with warring democracies. [00:05]
mircea_popescu this is like saying you don't like fishing because you've been in a hurricane once. [00:05]
Apocalyptic thank you guys for having given it a shot, was a nice experience [00:05]
mircea_popescu assuming world peace is the rightful, desirable end state is kind of silly << it's just another way to assume "immutability", because limited intellect aka ars longa, vita brevis. [00:09]
mircea_popescu irl, the resilient bridges are not the rigidly immobile ones. [00:10]
thestringpuller Apocalyptic: very sad. where will we trade ATC nao? [00:10]
mircea_popescu which is exactly why "life is a war" at all levels. [00:10]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo x-bt qntra article pls ? there's precious few clean closures in the space, [00:11]
mircea_popescu and i very much doubt any of the bezzle-powered "entrepreneurs" will ever manage one. [00:12]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo x-bt qntra article pls ? there's precious few clean closures in the space, << Will do. [00:12]
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xanthyos !up RetroUpriser [00:14]
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BingoBoingo %p [00:14]
BingoBoingo %d [00:14]
atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 464.54 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [00:14]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 268301.76 in 869 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -42.86 [00:14]
mircea_popescu "Or perhaps they did that stupid human trick that never fails: If you have excess funds, procreate until you no longer have excess funds, then share the funds equally until you all die." << naggum clearly "does not understand how the world works", and what everyone's "rights" are and so on. [00:14]
[]bot Bet created: "Eric Frein to receive death sentence" http://bitbet.us/bet/1061/ [00:15]
mircea_popescu for the record, that "stupid human trick" is exactly how selection works. [00:16]
Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, check your PM, if you didn't [00:18]
jurov BingoBoingo: wait i don't see my litecoins yet :D [00:19]
jurov hafta resync first [00:20]
RetroUpriser ;;everify birdman freenode:#bitcoin-otc:58ca0dddae4daaab73388a8682c74fb02dcf69b079532108f6a11872 [00:23]
gribble (everify ) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter). [00:23]
mircea_popescu RetroUpriser no "birdman" [00:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00073458 = 6.0236 BTC [+] [00:25]
jurov BingoBoingo: they arrived, i can say x-bt shut down cleanly [00:26]
jurov except for some 27 satoshi.. but Apocalyptic can have a ..er.. glass of water for them [00:27]
mircea_popescu maybe a pipette [00:27]
jurov Apocalyptic: *bitcoin* satoshi [00:28]
jurov wait, can i buy half of altcoin and withdraw? [00:28]
Apocalyptic haha, probably not [00:29]
Apocalyptic min order is 300 btc satoshi of value [00:29]
jurov :'( [00:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: These things come out mid-November http://bitbet.us/bet/882/giancarlo-stanton-wins-nl-mvp/ [00:30]
assbot BitBet - Giancarlo Stanton wins NL MVP :: 0.08 B (35%) on Yes, 0.15 B (65%) on No | closed 2 months 1 day ago [00:30]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: ^ [00:30]
mircea_popescu o.O [00:31]
mircea_popescu dude i'm so motherfucking banning bs sport bets... [00:31]
mircea_popescu here's 5 gb worth of randomly idiotic rules nobody cares about, police all that and you may earn 27 satoshi! [00:32]
BingoBoingo !b 3 [00:32]
assbot Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/21VKKFJ.txt ) [00:32]
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mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/sermon/ << can we have this cult ? [00:35]
assbot Sermon [00:35]
Apocalyptic ident BingoBoingo [00:36]
BingoBoingo ;;ident [00:36]
gribble Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None [00:36]
Apocalyptic ty [00:37]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo thanks for pointing that out btw, hadn't been paid yet so salvageable. [00:43]
mircea_popescu you got in jit. [00:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You're welcome [00:43]
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mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/0ffY3c8K << mod sentiment barometer. [00:45]
assbot i'm trying to find where i got the resolution source. there were at least two. o - Pastebin.com [00:45]
BingoBoingo Well it will be over soon. I don't think after November there will be many post-World Cup sports bets left. [00:47]
mircea_popescu just the fucking inanity of it. i have no idea how those imbeciles think they're managing their franchise [00:48]
mircea_popescu but i tell you, when you can't tell a mvp from a fake vietnamese boot the whole thing's dead in the water. [00:49]
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BingoBoingo Still not as fucked as the original submitter's time frame for resolving it... A month before the season ends. [00:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://oglaf.com/obituator/ << re "crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle" [00:54]
assbot The Obituator [00:54]
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cazalla chetty: it only went pink once it hit the water, not like it was a stream of red aids coming out//check with wife, this also happens with freshly cleaned toilets sometimes <<< she cleans? this is news to me [00:58]
mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/sanctuary/ << "your own country" [00:58]
assbot Sanctuary [00:58]
mircea_popescu i mean cuntry. [00:58]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla feature request : i [01:03]
mircea_popescu 'd like a "day" name as a single line between the "home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki" and "prev/next" to be settable with an assbot command [01:03]
mircea_popescu so i can make today "Oglaf Appreciation Day" [01:03]
mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/pinecone/ http://oglaf.com/pinecone/2/ << wet dreams of media. [01:06]
assbot A Pinecone [01:06]
assbot A Pinecone page 2 [01:06]
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BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2014/10/x-bt-exchange-shutting-down/ [01:08]
assbot X-BT Exchange Shutting Down | Qntra.net [01:08]
ben_vulpes the food i consume has nutrition, and calories, and it sates the appetite. so far, my life expectancy has not changed in any way. << how wouldja know? [01:10]
mircea_popescu lol. [01:11]
mircea_popescu would make a great epitaph incidentally. [01:11]
mircea_popescu "through this, my life expectancy has not changed in any way" [01:11]
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kakobrekla how wouldja know? << http://i.imgur.com/NVYFCr6.jpg [01:13]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [01:20]
gribble Current Blocks: 327930 | Current Difficulty: 3.598564026507623E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 328607 | Next Difficulty In: 677 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 16 hours, 47 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 38947982793.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.23201 [01:20]
cazalla BingoBoingo, added a read more tag to btc guild article [01:21]
BingoBoingo k [01:21]
BingoBoingo Ah missed it [01:21]
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jurov ;;ticker [01:34]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 336.71, Best ask: 337.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 337.89, 24 hour volume: 7560.53173414, 24 hour low: 335.5, 24 hour high: 347.96, 24 hour vwap: 342.188350829 [01:34]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla guessing! [01:37]
BingoBoingo headed off for the weekend, might pop on a few times before returning SUnday/Monday. [01:40]
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mircea_popescu http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/a6-corporation << this thing shockingly still exists. [01:44]
assbot A6 Corporation | CrunchBase [01:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00073512 = 6.7999 BTC [+] [01:56]
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adlai they should pivot to ASIC fab [02:02]
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adlai +mircea_popescu | but i tell you, when you can't tell a mvp from a fake vietnamese boot the whole thing's dead in the water. << in high school, each year the MVP of the girl's field hockey team was... all the seniors on the field hockey team, together [02:04]
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mircea_popescu im sure they grew up to be some pretty amazing, totally unskilled twats. [02:04]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:04]
adlai also, teams had two, three, even in some cases FOUR co-captains [02:05]
adlai it's scary to think that my high school classmates are now "grown up" and have real responsibilities in the world [02:06]
mircea_popescu they aren't and they don't. [02:07]
mircea_popescu but anyway, bbs [02:07]
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Apocalyptic Apocalyptic: very sad. where will we trade ATC nao? // i guess you're back to OTC trading for some time, seeing how unsuccessful was thickasthieves to get other exchanges to list it [02:12]
mats_cd03 ain't dead yet. [02:13]
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thestringpuller http://i.imgur.com/HCwuYdx.jpg << bitcoin core developers in a meeting [02:19]
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mike_c you crazy slovakians.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzYb68qXpD0 [02:41]
assbot AeroMobil 3.0 - official video - YouTube [02:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00073419 = 6.1672 BTC [-] {2} [02:47]
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thestringpuller !up jacoblyles [02:49]
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thestringpuller it's amazing how trick or treaters are declining cause parents don't let their children eat candy these days [02:51]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [02:51]
adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#880285 << actually wasn't that close to what I was thinking of, but thanks for recommending the series [02:56]
assbot Logged on 17-10-2014 16:38:20; ThickAsThieves: adlai watch The Black Mirror ep 2 [02:56]
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cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/poynt-smart-payment-terminal-accepts-bitcoin-payments/ [03:28]
assbot Poynt Smart Payment Terminal Accepts Bitcoin Payments | Qntra.net [03:28]
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mircea_popescu !up someguy_1 [03:39]
-assbot- You voiced someguy_1 for 30 minutes. [03:39]
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someguy_1 greetings [03:40]
ben_vulpes ohai [03:41]
ben_vulpes how many dollars is a quarter of a bitcoin? [03:41]
mircea_popescu lol what still ? [03:41]
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mats_cd03 trick or treaters are declining because parents are afraid of kidnappings and razor blades in le candy [03:53]
mircea_popescu or because when food is supplied in the trough there's no point to social contact [03:54]
mircea_popescu i've never seen cows or sheep trick-or-treat either. [03:54]
cazalla mats_cd03, it's on the increase here, retailers want those sales [03:55]
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Pierre_Rochard I’m curious to know what JSON-RPC will be replaced by? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901505 [03:57]
assbot Logged on 29-10-2014 04:46:15; asciilifeform: e.g., json rpc [03:57]
thestringpuller chetty still awake? [04:00]
thestringpuller Pierre_Rochard: Do people use that? It's really insecure as is. [04:00]
Pierre_Rochard thestringpuller: just used it to generate a bunch of public addresses. Is it insecure if you’re just using it on localhost? [04:01]
mircea_popescu Pierre_Rochard not really decided, maybe fcntl(O_NONBLOCK) / pipes sort of thing [04:01]
Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: I see. Doing things the unix way would be a nice change [04:03]
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thestringpuller Pierre_Rochard: I've never run it with RPC remote on. I just feed it the commands from cmd line. [04:15]
Pierre_Rochard thestringpuller: ah, feeding the responses into a python script sped things up for me [04:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7051 @ 0.00073512 = 5.1833 BTC [+] [04:23]
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ben_vulpes i picked up a cheap argentime malbec import [04:34]
* ben_vulpes is so excited [04:34]
ben_vulpes wistful, misses home-that-would-be [04:34]
mircea_popescu hehe you;'re young yet, and argentina's still going towards its prime. [04:35]
mircea_popescu dumbasses here still going on about how it's either "patria" or "financial groups" [04:36]
ben_vulpes i'll start the transfer process in earnest after the next round of food riots. [04:37]
mircea_popescu i dismissed a dumbass real estate agent earlier in the terms of "stupid bitch, i'm not a fucking tourist, i'm here to rape you not to be raped by you clueless worthless lot. get lost and come back when you've got that". she was genuinely surprised. [04:37]
mircea_popescu thought we're like, "professional" or something. [04:37]
mircea_popescu anyway, it'll be a year or two i guess. [04:38]
ben_vulpes in other news, the girl blew up the crockpot and lit the stove on fire today [04:39]
mircea_popescu so now only the dog gets to eat anymore ? [04:40]
thestringpuller !b 2 [04:40]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Z0N1AR.txt ) [04:40]
mircea_popescu i was going to send you a pack of biscuits, peanut for the dog, chocolate for the fox. none for you, ofcourse, as men don't need to eat. sadly thestringpuller doesn't seem ready to take orders still. [04:41]
ben_vulpes we'll sup on your good wishes. [04:41]
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ben_vulpes hold fast there was photographic evidence [04:43]
mircea_popescu of my good wishes ? LIES! [04:43]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: neither does NSA. ;) [04:44]
thestringpuller is* [04:44]
mircea_popescu indeed. [04:44]
ben_vulpes http://i.imgur.com/OSoMZM8.jpg [04:45]
mircea_popescu wow that was flame rated ?! [04:46]
ben_vulpes what do you mean by 'flame rated'? [04:46]
mircea_popescu well, recipients that resist heat can either be oven rated or flame rated, and generally what's safe to heatr in the oven is not safe to heat on a burner [04:48]
ben_vulpes oh so let's delve for aoment [04:48]
ben_vulpes crock pots are not rated for either oven or flame usage. [04:49]
ben_vulpes low-temp resistance heater is the story there [04:49]
mircea_popescu oh twas a slow cooker ? [04:50]
ben_vulpes lady love darling sweet BRILLIANT woman put this VERY THICK and also UNRATED CERAMIC object onto a no-limit resistive heater. [04:50]
mircea_popescu doesn't that come with a water thing ? [04:50]
ben_vulpes yes. [04:50]
ben_vulpes yes, it does. [04:50]
mircea_popescu lol nm [04:50]
mircea_popescu i thought you were actually using high performance chemistry gear in the house. for some reason. [04:50]
mircea_popescu i dunno what reason that may be o.O [04:50]
ben_vulpes lol come now [04:50]
ben_vulpes this is the united states of america. [04:51]
ben_vulpes none of that is available. [04:51]
ben_vulpes and i divested myself of all the like years ago. [04:51]
ben_vulpes you know. [04:51]
ben_vulpes my fancy cooking equipment. [04:51]
ben_vulpes anweyas. [04:51]
ben_vulpes anywyas* [04:51]
ben_vulpes anyways* [04:51]
ben_vulpes this provided an excellent opportunity to shop this image around to everyone i know 'cause "lol thanks babe we all had a good laugh at that one" [04:52]
ben_vulpes and also a lesson in geometric heat distribution. [04:52]
ben_vulpes the problem was not actually that a non-rated object went on the burner, but that sweet love put a chicken leg into the hot oil and the local stresses exceeded the crystal's bond strength. [04:53]
mircea_popescu lol so wait, she made a hot oil kitchentop bomb ? [04:53]
mircea_popescu !s oil legs wife [04:53]
assbot 0 results for 'oil legs wife' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=oil+legs+wife [04:53]
mircea_popescu dude no way it';s in the logs. [04:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#870472 [04:54]
assbot Logged on 13-10-2014 04:40:59; mircea_popescu: doctor spent like three hours extracting hot oil and glass shards from her crack and legs [04:54]
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mircea_popescu ~~~ ben_vulpes:ain't no training going to fix that kind of stupid ~~~ [04:55]
mircea_popescu nao what vulpsy. [04:55]
* ben_vulpes sighs [04:55]
mircea_popescu materials physics can be taught [04:55]
mircea_popescu it's arid, but it can be done. [04:55]
ben_vulpes the worlds edge cases are numerous. [04:56]
ben_vulpes and yes they've been taught. [04:56]
ben_vulpes or perhaps more accurately, another edge case has been brought to light. [04:56]
mircea_popescu maybe you need stan to rewrite the os/proc designs/world [04:57]
ben_vulpes i'd liken this one to an iptables fuckup [04:57]
ben_vulpes whereas the "hot oil in cold dish" is more along the lines of sudo rm -rf / [04:57]
ben_vulpes "oops" [04:57]
mircea_popescu this is true. [04:58]
mircea_popescu also a matter of volume. casual handling of half a gallon of boiling oil != one chicken leg. [04:58]
ben_vulpes one bespeaks a fundamental failure to understand the mechanisms at play, the other a poor grasp of thermal inertia and the concept of localized heat stresses. [04:58]
ben_vulpes which to be fair to the poor art student, is a subtlety of the practice. [04:59]
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mircea_popescu o wait, the original vulpe's an art student ?! what's she make ? [04:59]
ben_vulpes oh it goes fair deep [05:00]
ben_vulpes immediately after hs she ran the kids program at an art museum [05:00]
mike_c doh, x-bt going away? [05:00]
ben_vulpes then toured the states as a slam poet [05:00]
ben_vulpes blah blah blah, years pass [05:01]
mircea_popescu a.... slam poet ?! [05:01]
ben_vulpes lolya [05:01]
ben_vulpes food and bed paid for [05:01]
mircea_popescu dude is a female slam poet anything other than a hooker ?! [05:01]
ben_vulpes although how many beds were actually "paid" for is anyone's guess [05:02]
mircea_popescu i mean, isn't it just what hookers say to the cops, like the guy caught pissing in public pulls the bladder condition ? [05:02]
ben_vulpes girl's transpo and food and lodging was paid for by places [05:02]
ben_vulpes won some local competitions [05:02]
ben_vulpes not my field, so i can't really speak to any of it. [05:02]
mircea_popescu ;;ud transpo [05:03]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OC%20Transpo | OC Transpo. A Ottawa bus service who is heartless and goes on stike right in the middle of xmas. To ruin all good times for every one and end the hopes of ... [05:03]
ben_vulpes transportation. [05:03]
mircea_popescu oh because you're... canadian ?! [05:03]
ben_vulpes no. [05:03]
mircea_popescu aanyways! go on, this is turning into a fascinating tale. [05:03]
ben_vulpes what else [05:03]
ben_vulpes oh yeah [05:03]
ben_vulpes blah blah blah, years pass [05:03]
ben_vulpes we meet in a nonfiction writing class [05:04]
ben_vulpes more years pass [05:04]
mircea_popescu why was she taking nonfiction ? [05:04]
ben_vulpes she comes to pdx to study some kind of "installation art" at the local bezzletron art school [05:04]
ben_vulpes same reason as i; to practice writing under someone with a cane [05:05]
ben_vulpes no wait that's wrong [05:05]
ben_vulpes she was there for credits [05:05]
ben_vulpes i was there for the cane [05:05]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes tell you what. tell the woman she's been served. [05:06]
mircea_popescu she shows up here, has a poetry slam with hannah, whichever wins gets a shiny bitcoin. [05:06]
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mircea_popescu you name a judge, i name a judge, they name a third judge and then they score them. [05:06]
ben_vulpes that chapter's more or less closed. [05:08]
ben_vulpes private performances etc. [05:08]
ben_vulpes private performances *only*. [05:08]
mircea_popescu o.O [05:08]
mircea_popescu you gotta replace the pot don';t you ? [05:08]
ben_vulpes lol crock ain't a 1btc affair [05:09]
mircea_popescu so buy a dozen. [05:09]
ben_vulpes ⥀.⥀ [05:12]
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ben_vulpes turdmeisters: what am i to do with tests? bitcoin 0.8+ has them in qa/rpc-tests [05:22]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform, mod6: ^^ [05:24]
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ben_vulpes (busted crock aside, the coq au vin is coming along nicely) [05:25]
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mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/night-shame/ [05:39]
assbot night of shame [05:39]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuvUaFp_qMQ [06:59]
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cazalla http://qntra.net/2014/11/price-fluctuations-and-the-use-of-bitcoin-an-empirical-inquiry/ [08:05]
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ben_vulpes good evening, Vexual [09:09]
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Vexual hi ben [09:15]
Vexual is there a new crockpot with instructions fund? that was funny [09:17]
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jurov evening [19:48]
mircea_popescu that also. [19:48]
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mircea_popescu hey, who were the muppets that closed recently, claiming they were spending 9k/month on servers among other thiungs ? qntra reported it [20:20]
mircea_popescu moolah.io ty. [20:26]
mircea_popescu so no pinguirker replacement sitll huh. [20:28]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/mpex-smpoe-october-2014-statement/ [20:28]
assbot MPEx (S.MPOE) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:28]
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thestringpuller wow that's early [20:29]
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mircea_popescu 1st neh ? [20:30]
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mircea_popescu mats_cd03: so many soccer moms and scantily dressed lolis last night << where ? [20:30]
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mircea_popescu Naphex: https://i.imgur.com/hPb06Eg.png <<< lol derpowiki page, seems oddly appropriate. [20:31]
gernika Regarding http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/, would the use of a Nash Equilibrium that does not rely on third parties mitigate the problem of the long con? [20:31]
assbot Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:31]
mircea_popescu gernika you'll have to go into detail. make me a sample scenario ? [20:32]
mircea_popescu chetty: someone explain to me how all those feminists justify putting little girls scanty costumes? << "all men are pedophiles and rapists because the only feminine females left around are under 16 yo because we educate little girls to act like lolis and then after puberty we try and make them into obnoxious whales" ? [20:33]
mircea_popescu just takin' a shot. [20:33]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves: stand on them and roaR? << lol! [20:34]
mircea_popescu adlai: ahaha looks like somebody got a lawyer << and yet fucktards STILL use pdfs. sigh. [20:35]
mircea_popescu dignork: adlai: me neither, but this part seemed odd, so i googgled it. << such lmao. "hey, two bitcoin scams are the only things google could find online that used the same broken logic dressed in the same approximative verbiage. WHY COULD THS BE ?!?!?!" [20:35]
mircea_popescu clearly it's because ethereum was like all respectable and took like actual investment, rather than just pretending on both scores. [20:36]
adlai took/look? [20:37]
mircea_popescu no, took. from to take investment. mebbe needed a comma in there [20:37]
mircea_popescu "he fucked, like, a real woman" valley girl speak as opposed to "he fucked a real woman" nohomo bro speak [20:38]
adlai right right [20:38]
mircea_popescu "I would like to inform anybody involved in this kinda thing, that there's a maximum penalty of $100,000, one-year in jail, or both," Phil Bradford, an FCC spokesman, told a reporter the following day." << also appears on two spots on the interwebs. vice.com and b-a logs. thanks to the power of logic we now know ben_vulpes writes for motherboard. [20:39]
mircea_popescu AND I PISS ON THIS LOG. show me your honor, log! [20:40]
chetty chetty: someone explain to me how all those feminists justify putting little girls scanty costumes? << "all men are pedophiles and rapists because the only feminine females left around are under 16 yo because we educate little girls to act like lolis and then after puberty we try and make them into obnoxious whales" ?// ?? we is all men? interesting and does explain much but still doesn't explain the mommy behavior dressing them [20:40]
chetty like that [20:40]
mircea_popescu you don't understand how thw world works. "mom" would like a place to drop off the kid while she does "other things". (no, i don't mean fucking. if only. i mean going around shitty clothes shops in the mall and feeling each individual item buyt not buying anything, then hitting the food court) [20:41]
mircea_popescu so they offer this service, "drop off your kids for an afternoon and get five double cheeseburger mchappy meals" [20:41]
gernika mircea_popescu for example, Alice builds up a good reputation in the WoT. Then in some large transaction Alice absconds with Bob's BTC and fails to deliver the goods. If the same transaction were instead executed in such a way that if either party fails to deliver, both Alice and Bob would lose an amount of btc equal to the value of the item being purchased, would that then prevent Alice from sacrificing her WoT rating to [20:42]
gernika cheat someone in a large transaction? [20:42]
mircea_popescu gernika the case you're proposing is already out of scope, because the wot is intended to be used with middle transactions. so if alice trades 100 btc a month for two years, trusting alice with 200 in one go is okay. trusting her with 5k is absurd, [20:43]
mircea_popescu and in fact reduces to a not-using-wot situation. [20:43]
chetty gernika, what does wot have to do with that? everyday common trust question [20:43]
mircea_popescu basically you're saying "if people weren't using the wot how could their actions not impact the wot'. well... they already don't. [20:44]
mircea_popescu just to make sure we're on the same page here, have you read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ? [20:45]
assbot What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:45]
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mats_cd03 mircea_popescu: cambridge [20:48]
mircea_popescu hm ? [20:49]
mats_cd03 14:27:58 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: so many soccer moms and scantily dressed lolis last night << where ? [20:49]
mircea_popescu oh oh [20:49]
gernika mircea_popescu Ah ok. Got it. Didn't think about how people would evaluate the WoT differently for different magnitudes of transactions. It actually does help with the long con problem. So one could do 50 1 btw transactions, then steal the last btc, but that's about all. Yes I've read what-the-wot... [20:50]
mircea_popescu you mean lolis as in freshman, 19yo womenz mats_cd03 ?! [20:50]
gernika s/btw/btc [20:50]
mats_cd03 no i mean 12 year olds, girls [20:51]
mircea_popescu gernika well, one could put the time in to build himself and steal some, but the idea is that he wouldn't really manage to steal more than what not stealing is worth on a discouinted basis for him. [20:51]
mats_cd03 altho there were plenty of freshmen walking around [20:51]
mircea_popescu which is why people who pretend to trade but aren't in the wot, and ESPECIALLY people who pretend to raise capital/issue equity but have no experience whatsoever are suspect. [20:51]
mircea_popescu they HAVE TO BE frauds, pure and simple, there's no logical alternative. [20:51]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 da fuck are 12yos doing on campus anyway [20:51]
mats_cd03 things overheard last night: 'we should find some MIT guys, they're, like, going to rule the world. but, really!' [20:51]
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mats_cd03 i was in a few residential neighborhoods close-ish to somerville, so... kids [20:52]
mircea_popescu ah ah [20:53]
mircea_popescu isn't it fucking cold in east fucking anglia, nov 1st ? [20:53]
gernika mircea_popescu So in order for someone to get rated for a more valuable interaction than they have ever participated in before, someone else always needs to take a risk, correct? [20:54]
mircea_popescu gernika exaclty, and in wot-terms he makes a trust donation to the wot and to his partner. [20:54]
mats_cd03 it was ~40F, plenty warm enough. chicks around here walk around in shirts and a belt in january, ~15F, on friday nights [20:54]
mircea_popescu gernika the situation being exactly equivalent to when they first joined the wot, had no ratings. [20:54]
mircea_popescu because in practical terms, they DO have no ratings, for that level. [20:54]
mats_cd03 getting laid is more important than warmth. [20:54]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 in fairness, i dun think it's sluttiness, i think its simple use. you should see the chicks here, it rained two days ago, it was like... i dunno, 18 instead of 23 celsisus ? COATS! shivering! everyone destroyed omg it's so cold. [20:56]
gernika mircea_popescu Would a nash equilibrium based exchange in THAT case be of use? Or would it nullify the donation to the wot? [20:56]
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mircea_popescu gernika it seems to me the wot is already generating it's own equilibrium, not clear to me what you mean by "nash equilibrium based exchange" [20:56]
mircea_popescu we're back to give me an example. [20:56]
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mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/weirdwoman/ << every wise old hag starts out in life like this [20:58]
assbot the Weird Woman [20:58]
mircea_popescu http://media.oglaf.com/loglines/flight-mode.gif [21:05]
mircea_popescu http://oglaf.com/delivery/ << bwahhah chetty, were you asking about the mothers ? there's the mother! [21:10]
assbot delivery [21:10]
mircea_popescu i seriously think that comic pretty much illustrates the mental process of the libertard us female. she has a little girl that grows up to be a man [21:10]
mircea_popescu that takes it in the ass. [21:10]
gernika mircea_popescu So in a case where two parties have no information about each other (which is essentially the same as when one party is in the WoT and one isn't, or when one party wants to do a trade they're not rated for), a nash equilibrium allows a way to incentivize both parties to complete the transaction faithfully by forcing both parties to risk the value of the item being traded contingent on the trade being completed [21:11]
gernika successfully. It would work like this: Alice wants to sell her gold for btc. She puts 1 oz of gold worth of btc in Chad's basket. Bob puts 2 oz. of gold worth of btc in Chad's basket. Alice gives Bob her gold. Bob refuses to give Alice her 1 oz of gold worth of btc. Chad threatens to throw his basket over the cliff. Bob reluctantly give alice 1 oz of gold worth of btc. Chad gives everyone back their stuff from the [21:11]
gernika basket. [21:11]
mircea_popescu you're describing an escrow. [21:11]
gernika Well, an escrow that doesn't make any decision in the event of a dispute except to say both parties are out their escrow. [21:12]
mircea_popescu if that's what you mean best call it escrow, because the bitcoin crowd (esp here) is highly technical and the nash reference sends people mentally exploring large swaths of math theory. [21:12]
mircea_popescu right. that's how escrow actually works. "come back when you agree" [21:12]
mircea_popescu anyway! this is how services such as localbitcoins work. [21:12]
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gernika Also, this escrow can be done without a third party [21:12]
mircea_popescu the problem are all the edge cases. did you catch that discussion in the logs, as to what localbitcoins is vulnerable to ? [21:13]
gernika via multisig transactions [21:13]
mircea_popescu no, it can not, because you can't multisig dollars, or bars of gold. [21:13]
gernika But you don't need to. The seller puts the value of their item in btc in escrow. The buyer puts double the value of the item in btc in escrow. [21:14]
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mircea_popescu o.O [21:15]
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gernika The seller then ships the item. [21:15]
mircea_popescu are you aware that trade as-is is credit-supported so people don't actually need to put up even the actual value of the items ? [21:15]
mircea_popescu that's why international trade happens on the basis of locs and so forth. [21:15]
mircea_popescu you're going the other wa [21:16]
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gernika I have seen discussion of that on Trilema, I believe. Doesn't that arrangement depend on a trusted third party? The creditor? [21:18]
mircea_popescu yes. [21:18]
mircea_popescu gernika let me illustrate the problem of trust and the limits of the universe to you with a risque comic. [21:19]
mircea_popescu here it is : http://oglaf.com/homecoming/ [21:19]
assbot homecoming [21:19]
mircea_popescu now, in this comic, trudy cooper makes the excellent point that resources are scarce, whereas trust cheap. [21:20]
mircea_popescu so, in any practical situaiton, a solution that relies on trust will outperform a solution that relies on expenditure. [21:20]
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gernika Hmm yes. Trust *is* cheap. [21:24]
mircea_popescu now, fucking could consist of the girl getting another cock and the guy getting another cunt to sit and watch them while they do it. [21:25]
mircea_popescu this wasteful system has actually been implemented in practice, it's what victorian england was all about [21:25]
mircea_popescu HOWEVER it is not a stable solution. because wasteful, fundamentally. [21:26]
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gernika I suppose in my mind I conflated being forced to trust certain third parties (my "elected" representative, my bank, the Federal Reserve) and voluntarily trusting random ebay sellers. [21:30]
mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/PnsGiZ2A <<< dude... this is just what i do. i save the people who save people from FIRE [21:31]
assbot Subject: Re: You've been hacked. From: * Date: Sat, November 1, 2014 2:55 - Pastebin.com [21:31]
mircea_popescu gernika yeah, forced trust is no trust at all. [21:32]
mircea_popescu which is why the entire democratic blabla about "social contracts" and whatnot is so laughable. [21:32]
mircea_popescu "o hey, you're part of a contract you enver signed lol!" [21:32]
bounce Y U SUCH HAXX0R [21:33]
mircea_popescu bounce nah, see, most recend attempt at ddosing qntra used a large number of broken-into websites. [21:33]
mircea_popescu which i've been notifying. [21:33]
gernika So what is the term or concept for forced trust in third parties? [21:34]
mircea_popescu gernika rape works. [21:34]
gernika lol [21:34]
mircea_popescu technically forced thrust, but still. [21:34]
gernika It's the sort of trust that you think is trust at first, then realize you have no other options later. [21:34]
bounce how is that "trust"? o_O? [21:35]
mircea_popescu then that's anti-rape. rape seems to be this thing where you think you have no options at first, then later you realise that you did so you go and denounce the fucker. [21:35]
gernika bounce it's not trust, just not sure what it is. Anti-rape. Will consider that. [21:36]
gernika A world where you appear to have a bunch of choices, but in fact you have only one and it sucks. [21:38]
mircea_popescu o, that's just how the world works!!1 [21:38]
mircea_popescu now you understand how the world works. unlike putin! [21:38]
mircea_popescu gernika on a more serious note, this is a problem familiar from game design. you can either have choice or stability, not both. systems that are to any degree stable only achieve this stability by denying choice correspondingly. [21:39]
bounce what was that game again, "diplomacy" [21:39]
mircea_popescu all games are that game again. matrimony too. [21:39]
bounce well, no [21:40]
mircea_popescu a challenge appears ? [21:40]
bounce you're trying your hand at english where mark twain tried at german, by proposing to replace all words with just "slag" and "zug". [21:41]
mircea_popescu choice of words is a poor simile for choice of action. [21:42]
mircea_popescu mostly because (blessfully) representation is toothless upon reality. [21:42]
bounce even so not all games are one and the same [21:42]
mircea_popescu with respect to choice and stability ? yeah they are. [21:43]
mircea_popescu this is like saying all naming conventions are the same to zooko's triangle. [21:43]
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mthreat Patagonia is nice - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hkl1IsY2UA [21:49]
assbot Hyperlapse of boat ride on Lake Lacar back to San Martin de Los Andes - YouTube [21:49]
mircea_popescu o you took off already ? [21:49]
mthreat ya, a few days ago [21:50]
mircea_popescu how cold is it ? [21:51]
mthreat it's snowing right now, which is very unusual for this time of year here. [21:51]
mircea_popescu yeah it';s colder than usual up here too. [21:51]
mircea_popescu fucking pleasant weather. [21:51]
mthreat going to Bariloche tomorrow, and should pass through Villa la Angostura, by Hitler's supposed house there [21:53]
mircea_popescu "hitler slept here" lol [21:53]
mthreat the house is for sale, I expect to see it on BitPremier soon ;) [21:54]
mircea_popescu asking for way too much dough. [21:55]
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mircea_popescu ;;google buenos aires bdsm [22:38]
gribble BDSM Buenos Aires Mistress Oriana - YouTube: ; Buenos Aires BDSM : La Casona del Sado, aka Faker House - Trilema: ; BDSM. - Buenos Aires | Facebook: [22:38]
mircea_popescu holy shit srsly ? [22:38]
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