Forum logs for 01 Nov 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
kakobrekla | its its size marginal ? | [00:01] |
mircea_popescu | incidentally, i invented a new collective noun | [00:02] |
mircea_popescu | a SCAM of words. | [00:02] |
jurov | Apocalyptic: too busy outside btc? | [00:02] |
Apocalyptic | yeah, that's the main reason, the ATC trading was the only thing that kept me running it lately | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform> if there were a 'pepsi' alternative to usg, folks who can make any claim at value would be defecting in droves. << there is, they aren't. | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | not in droves anyway. | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | perhaps because never has it been the case that value and droves met. | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | well nice of you to have accomodated Apocalyptic | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | ;;rated Apocalyptic | [00:04] |
gribble | You rated user Apocalyptic on Fri Feb 14 01:37:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: x-bt.com etc. | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | ;;rate Apocalyptic 2 ex-x-bt.com | [00:04] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Apocalyptic has changed from 1 to 2. | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | [00:05] | |
mircea_popescu | this is like saying you don't like fishing because you've been in a hurricane once. | [00:05] |
Apocalyptic | thank you guys for having given it a shot, was a nice experience | [00:05] |
mircea_popescu | [00:09] | |
mircea_popescu | irl, the resilient bridges are not the rigidly immobile ones. | [00:10] |
thestringpuller | Apocalyptic: very sad. where will we trade ATC nao? | [00:10] |
mircea_popescu | which is exactly why "life is a war" at all levels. | [00:10] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo x-bt qntra article pls ? there's precious few clean closures in the space, | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | and i very much doubt any of the bezzle-powered "entrepreneurs" will ever manage one. | [00:12] |
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xanthyos | !up RetroUpriser | [00:14] |
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BingoBoingo | %p | [00:14] |
BingoBoingo | %d | [00:14] |
atcbot | [PityThePool Hashrate]: 464.54 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s | [00:14] |
atcbot | [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 268301.76 in 869 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -42.86 | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | "Or perhaps they did that stupid human trick that never fails: If you have excess funds, procreate until you no longer have excess funds, then share the funds equally until you all die." << naggum clearly "does not understand how the world works", and what everyone's "rights" are and so on. | [00:14] |
[]bot | Bet created: "Eric Frein to receive death sentence" http://bitbet.us/bet/1061/ | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | for the record, that "stupid human trick" is exactly how selection works. | [00:16] |
Apocalyptic | BingoBoingo, check your PM, if you didn't | [00:18] |
jurov | BingoBoingo: wait i don't see my litecoins yet :D | [00:19] |
jurov | hafta resync first | [00:20] |
RetroUpriser | ;;everify birdman freenode:#bitcoin-otc:58ca0dddae4daaab73388a8682c74fb02dcf69b079532108f6a11872 | [00:23] |
gribble | (everify |
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mircea_popescu | RetroUpriser no "birdman" | [00:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00073458 = 6.0236 BTC [+] | [00:25] |
jurov | BingoBoingo: they arrived, i can say x-bt shut down cleanly | [00:26] |
jurov | except for some 27 satoshi.. but Apocalyptic can have a ..er.. glass of water for them | [00:27] |
mircea_popescu | maybe a pipette | [00:27] |
jurov | Apocalyptic: *bitcoin* satoshi | [00:28] |
jurov | wait, can i buy half of altcoin and withdraw? | [00:28] |
Apocalyptic | haha, probably not | [00:29] |
Apocalyptic | min order is 300 btc satoshi of value | [00:29] |
jurov | :'( | [00:29] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: These things come out mid-November http://bitbet.us/bet/882/giancarlo-stanton-wins-nl-mvp/ | [00:30] |
assbot | BitBet - Giancarlo Stanton wins NL MVP :: 0.08 B (35%) on Yes, 0.15 B (65%) on No | closed 2 months 1 day ago | [00:30] |
BingoBoingo | kakobrekla: ^ | [00:30] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | dude i'm so motherfucking banning bs sport bets... | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | here's 5 gb worth of randomly idiotic rules nobody cares about, police all that and you may earn 27 satoshi! | [00:32] |
BingoBoingo | !b 3 | [00:32] |
assbot | Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/21VKKFJ.txt ) | [00:32] |
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mircea_popescu | http://oglaf.com/sermon/ << can we have this cult ? | [00:35] |
assbot | Sermon | [00:35] |
Apocalyptic | ident BingoBoingo | [00:36] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ident | [00:36] |
gribble | Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None | [00:36] |
Apocalyptic | ty | [00:37] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo thanks for pointing that out btw, hadn't been paid yet so salvageable. | [00:43] |
mircea_popescu | you got in jit. | [00:43] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: You're welcome | [00:43] |
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mircea_popescu | http://pastebin.com/0ffY3c8K << mod sentiment barometer. | [00:45] |
assbot | i'm trying to find where i got the resolution source. there were at least two. o - Pastebin.com | [00:45] |
BingoBoingo | Well it will be over soon. I don't think after November there will be many post-World Cup sports bets left. | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | just the fucking inanity of it. i have no idea how those imbeciles think they're managing their franchise | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | but i tell you, when you can't tell a mvp from a fake vietnamese boot the whole thing's dead in the water. | [00:49] |
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BingoBoingo | Still not as fucked as the original submitter's time frame for resolving it... A month before the season ends. | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform http://oglaf.com/obituator/ << re "crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle" | [00:54] |
assbot | The Obituator | [00:54] |
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cazalla | chetty: |
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mircea_popescu | http://oglaf.com/sanctuary/ << "your own country" | [00:58] |
assbot | Sanctuary | [00:58] |
mircea_popescu | i mean cuntry. | [00:58] |
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mircea_popescu | kakobrekla feature request : i | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | 'd like a "day" name as a single line between the "home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki" and "prev/next" to be settable with an assbot command | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | so i can make today "Oglaf Appreciation Day" | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | http://oglaf.com/pinecone/ http://oglaf.com/pinecone/2/ << wet dreams of media. | [01:06] |
assbot | A Pinecone | [01:06] |
assbot | A Pinecone page 2 | [01:06] |
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BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2014/10/x-bt-exchange-shutting-down/ | [01:08] |
assbot | X-BT Exchange Shutting Down | Qntra.net | [01:08] |
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mircea_popescu | lol. | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | would make a great epitaph incidentally. | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | "through this, my life expectancy has not changed in any way" | [01:11] |
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kakobrekla | how wouldja know? << http://i.imgur.com/NVYFCr6.jpg | [01:13] |
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BingoBoingo | ;;bc,stats | [01:20] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 327930 | Current Difficulty: 3.598564026507623E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 328607 | Next Difficulty In: 677 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 16 hours, 47 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 38947982793.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.23201 | [01:20] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, added a read more tag to btc guild article | [01:21] |
BingoBoingo | k | [01:21] |
BingoBoingo | Ah missed it | [01:21] |
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jurov | ;;ticker | [01:34] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 336.71, Best ask: 337.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 337.89, 24 hour volume: 7560.53173414, 24 hour low: 335.5, 24 hour high: 347.96, 24 hour vwap: 342.188350829 | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla guessing! | [01:37] |
BingoBoingo | headed off for the weekend, might pop on a few times before returning SUnday/Monday. | [01:40] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/a6-corporation << this thing shockingly still exists. | [01:44] |
assbot | A6 Corporation | CrunchBase | [01:44] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00073512 = 6.7999 BTC [+] | [01:56] |
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adlai | they should pivot to ASIC fab | [02:02] |
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adlai | +mircea_popescu | but i tell you, when you can't tell a mvp from a fake vietnamese boot the whole thing's dead in the water. << in high school, each year the MVP of the girl's field hockey team was... all the seniors on the field hockey team, together | [02:04] |
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mircea_popescu | im sure they grew up to be some pretty amazing, totally unskilled twats. | [02:04] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [02:04] |
adlai | also, teams had two, three, even in some cases FOUR co-captains | [02:05] |
adlai | it's scary to think that my high school classmates are now "grown up" and have real responsibilities in the world | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | they aren't and they don't. | [02:07] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway, bbs | [02:07] |
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Apocalyptic |
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mats_cd03 | ain't dead yet. | [02:13] |
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thestringpuller | http://i.imgur.com/HCwuYdx.jpg << bitcoin core developers in a meeting | [02:19] |
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mike_c | you crazy slovakians.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzYb68qXpD0 | [02:41] |
assbot | AeroMobil 3.0 - official video - YouTube | [02:41] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00073419 = 6.1672 BTC [-] {2} | [02:47] |
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thestringpuller | !up jacoblyles | [02:49] |
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thestringpuller | it's amazing how trick or treaters are declining cause parents don't let their children eat candy these days | [02:51] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [02:51] |
adlai | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#880285 << actually wasn't that close to what I was thinking of, but thanks for recommending the series | [02:56] |
assbot | Logged on 17-10-2014 16:38:20; ThickAsThieves: adlai watch The Black Mirror ep 2 | [02:56] |
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cazalla | http://qntra.net/2014/11/poynt-smart-payment-terminal-accepts-bitcoin-payments/ | [03:28] |
assbot | Poynt Smart Payment Terminal Accepts Bitcoin Payments | Qntra.net | [03:28] |
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mircea_popescu | !up someguy_1 | [03:39] |
-assbot- | You voiced someguy_1 for 30 minutes. | [03:39] |
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someguy_1 | greetings | [03:40] |
ben_vulpes | ohai | [03:41] |
ben_vulpes | how many dollars is a quarter of a bitcoin? | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | lol what still ? | [03:41] |
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mats_cd03 | trick or treaters are declining because parents are afraid of kidnappings and razor blades in le candy | [03:53] |
mircea_popescu | or because when food is supplied in the trough there's no point to social contact | [03:54] |
mircea_popescu | i've never seen cows or sheep trick-or-treat either. | [03:54] |
cazalla | mats_cd03, it's on the increase here, retailers want those sales | [03:55] |
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Pierre_Rochard | I’m curious to know what JSON-RPC will be replaced by? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901505 | [03:57] |
assbot | Logged on 29-10-2014 04:46:15; asciilifeform: e.g., json rpc | [03:57] |
thestringpuller | chetty still awake? | [04:00] |
thestringpuller | Pierre_Rochard: Do people use that? It's really insecure as is. | [04:00] |
Pierre_Rochard | thestringpuller: just used it to generate a bunch of public addresses. Is it insecure if you’re just using it on localhost? | [04:01] |
mircea_popescu | Pierre_Rochard not really decided, maybe fcntl(O_NONBLOCK) / pipes sort of thing | [04:01] |
Pierre_Rochard | mircea_popescu: I see. Doing things the unix way would be a nice change | [04:03] |
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thestringpuller | Pierre_Rochard: I've never run it with RPC remote on. I just feed it the commands from cmd line. | [04:15] |
Pierre_Rochard | thestringpuller: ah, feeding the responses into a python script sped things up for me | [04:16] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7051 @ 0.00073512 = 5.1833 BTC [+] | [04:23] |
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ben_vulpes | i picked up a cheap argentime malbec import | [04:34] |
* | ben_vulpes is so excited | [04:34] |
ben_vulpes | wistful, misses home-that-would-be | [04:34] |
mircea_popescu | hehe you;'re young yet, and argentina's still going towards its prime. | [04:35] |
mircea_popescu | dumbasses here still going on about how it's either "patria" or "financial groups" | [04:36] |
ben_vulpes | i'll start the transfer process in earnest after the next round of food riots. | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | i dismissed a dumbass real estate agent earlier in the terms of "stupid bitch, i'm not a fucking tourist, i'm here to rape you not to be raped by you clueless worthless lot. get lost and come back when you've got that". she was genuinely surprised. | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | thought we're like, "professional" or something. | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, it'll be a year or two i guess. | [04:38] |
ben_vulpes | in other news, the girl blew up the crockpot and lit the stove on fire today | [04:39] |
mircea_popescu | so now only the dog gets to eat anymore ? | [04:40] |
thestringpuller | !b 2 | [04:40] |
assbot | Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Z0N1AR.txt ) | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | i was going to send you a pack of biscuits, peanut for the dog, chocolate for the fox. none for you, ofcourse, as men don't need to eat. sadly thestringpuller doesn't seem ready to take orders still. | [04:41] |
ben_vulpes | we'll sup on your good wishes. | [04:41] |
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ben_vulpes | hold fast there was photographic evidence | [04:43] |
mircea_popescu | of my good wishes ? LIES! | [04:43] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: neither does NSA. ;) | [04:44] |
thestringpuller | is* | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | indeed. | [04:44] |
ben_vulpes | http://i.imgur.com/OSoMZM8.jpg | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | wow that was flame rated ?! | [04:46] |
ben_vulpes | what do you mean by 'flame rated'? | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | well, recipients that resist heat can either be oven rated or flame rated, and generally what's safe to heatr in the oven is not safe to heat on a burner | [04:48] |
ben_vulpes | oh so let's delve for aoment | [04:48] |
ben_vulpes | crock pots are not rated for either oven or flame usage. | [04:49] |
ben_vulpes | low-temp resistance heater is the story there | [04:49] |
mircea_popescu | oh twas a slow cooker ? | [04:50] |
ben_vulpes | lady love darling sweet BRILLIANT woman put this VERY THICK and also UNRATED CERAMIC object onto a no-limit resistive heater. | [04:50] |
mircea_popescu | doesn't that come with a water thing ? | [04:50] |
ben_vulpes | yes. | [04:50] |
ben_vulpes | yes, it does. | [04:50] |
mircea_popescu | lol nm | [04:50] |
mircea_popescu | i thought you were actually using high performance chemistry gear in the house. for some reason. | [04:50] |
mircea_popescu | i dunno what reason that may be o.O | [04:50] |
ben_vulpes | lol come now | [04:50] |
ben_vulpes | this is the united states of america. | [04:51] |
ben_vulpes | none of that is available. | [04:51] |
ben_vulpes | and i divested myself of all the like years ago. | [04:51] |
ben_vulpes | you know. | [04:51] |
ben_vulpes | my fancy cooking equipment. | [04:51] |
ben_vulpes | anweyas. | [04:51] |
ben_vulpes | anywyas* | [04:51] |
ben_vulpes | anyways* | [04:51] |
ben_vulpes | this provided an excellent opportunity to shop this image around to everyone i know 'cause "lol thanks babe we all had a good laugh at that one" | [04:52] |
ben_vulpes | and also a lesson in geometric heat distribution. | [04:52] |
ben_vulpes | the problem was not actually that a non-rated object went on the burner, but that sweet love put a chicken leg into the hot oil and the local stresses exceeded the crystal's bond strength. | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | lol so wait, she made a hot oil kitchentop bomb ? | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | !s oil legs wife | [04:53] |
assbot | 0 results for 'oil legs wife' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=oil+legs+wife | [04:53] |
mircea_popescu | dude no way it';s in the logs. | [04:54] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2014#870472 | [04:54] |
assbot | Logged on 13-10-2014 04:40:59; mircea_popescu: doctor spent like three hours extracting hot oil and glass shards from her crack and legs | [04:54] |
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mircea_popescu | ~~~ ben_vulpes:ain't no training going to fix that kind of stupid ~~~ | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | nao what vulpsy. | [04:55] |
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mircea_popescu | materials physics can be taught | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | it's arid, but it can be done. | [04:55] |
ben_vulpes | the worlds edge cases are numerous. | [04:56] |
ben_vulpes | and yes they've been taught. | [04:56] |
ben_vulpes | or perhaps more accurately, another edge case has been brought to light. | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | maybe you need stan to rewrite the os/proc designs/world | [04:57] |
ben_vulpes | i'd liken this one to an iptables fuckup | [04:57] |
ben_vulpes | whereas the "hot oil in cold dish" is more along the lines of sudo rm -rf / | [04:57] |
ben_vulpes | "oops" | [04:57] |
mircea_popescu | this is true. | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | also a matter of volume. casual handling of half a gallon of boiling oil != one chicken leg. | [04:58] |
ben_vulpes | one bespeaks a fundamental failure to understand the mechanisms at play, the other a poor grasp of thermal inertia and the concept of localized heat stresses. | [04:58] |
ben_vulpes | which to be fair to the poor art student, is a subtlety of the practice. | [04:59] |
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mircea_popescu | o wait, the original vulpe's an art student ?! what's she make ? | [04:59] |
ben_vulpes | oh it goes fair deep | [05:00] |
ben_vulpes | immediately after hs she ran the kids program at an art museum | [05:00] |
mike_c | doh, x-bt going away? | [05:00] |
ben_vulpes | then toured the states as a slam poet | [05:00] |
ben_vulpes | blah blah blah, years pass | [05:01] |
mircea_popescu | a.... slam poet ?! | [05:01] |
ben_vulpes | lolya | [05:01] |
ben_vulpes | food and bed paid for | [05:01] |
mircea_popescu | dude is a female slam poet anything other than a hooker ?! | [05:01] |
ben_vulpes | although how many beds were actually "paid" for is anyone's guess | [05:02] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, isn't it just what hookers say to the cops, like the guy caught pissing in public pulls the bladder condition ? | [05:02] |
ben_vulpes | girl's transpo and food and lodging was paid for by places | [05:02] |
ben_vulpes | won some local competitions | [05:02] |
ben_vulpes | not my field, so i can't really speak to any of it. | [05:02] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ud transpo | [05:03] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OC%20Transpo | OC Transpo. A Ottawa bus service who is heartless and goes on stike right in the middle of xmas. To ruin all good times for every one and end the hopes of ... | [05:03] |
ben_vulpes | transportation. | [05:03] |
mircea_popescu | oh because you're... canadian ?! | [05:03] |
ben_vulpes | no. | [05:03] |
mircea_popescu | aanyways! go on, this is turning into a fascinating tale. | [05:03] |
ben_vulpes | what else | [05:03] |
ben_vulpes | oh yeah | [05:03] |
ben_vulpes | [05:03] | |
ben_vulpes | we meet in a nonfiction writing class | [05:04] |
ben_vulpes | more years pass | [05:04] |
mircea_popescu | why was she taking nonfiction ? | [05:04] |
ben_vulpes | she comes to pdx to study some kind of "installation art" at the local bezzletron art school | [05:04] |
ben_vulpes | same reason as i; to practice writing under someone with a cane | [05:05] |
ben_vulpes | no wait that's wrong | [05:05] |
ben_vulpes | she was there for credits | [05:05] |
ben_vulpes | i was there for the cane | [05:05] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes tell you what. tell the woman she's been served. | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | she shows up here, has a poetry slam with hannah, whichever wins gets a shiny bitcoin. | [05:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6262 @ 0.00073354 = 4.5934 BTC [-] | [05:06] |
mircea_popescu | you name a judge, i name a judge, they name a third judge and then they score them. | [05:06] |
ben_vulpes | that chapter's more or less closed. | [05:08] |
ben_vulpes | private performances etc. | [05:08] |
ben_vulpes | private performances *only*. | [05:08] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [05:08] |
mircea_popescu | you gotta replace the pot don';t you ? | [05:08] |
ben_vulpes | lol crock ain't a 1btc affair | [05:09] |
mircea_popescu | so buy a dozen. | [05:09] |
ben_vulpes | ⥀.⥀ | [05:12] |
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ben_vulpes | hacks: http://www.foodandwine.com/assets/images/gnocchi-cutting-for-HP.gif/variations/original.gif | [05:18] |
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ben_vulpes | turdmeisters: what am i to do with tests? bitcoin 0.8+ has them in qa/rpc-tests | [05:22] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform, mod6: ^^ | [05:24] |
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ben_vulpes | (busted crock aside, the coq au vin is coming along nicely) | [05:25] |
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mircea_popescu | http://oglaf.com/night-shame/ | [05:39] |
assbot | night of shame | [05:39] |
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ben_vulpes | mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuvUaFp_qMQ | [06:59] |
assbot | Classical orchestra eating the worlds hottest chili peppers ... - YouTube | [06:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00073618 = 12.331 BTC [+] {2} | [07:16] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00073763 = 2.6186 BTC [+] | [08:01] |
cazalla | http://qntra.net/2014/11/price-fluctuations-and-the-use-of-bitcoin-an-empirical-inquiry/ | [08:05] |
assbot | Price Fluctuations And The Use Of Bitcoin: An Empirical Inquiry | Qntra.net | [08:05] |
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ben_vulpes | !up Vexual | [09:09] |
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ben_vulpes | good evening, Vexual | [09:09] |
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Vexual | hi ben | [09:15] |
Vexual | is there a new crockpot with instructions fund? that was funny | [09:17] |
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mircea_popescu | good mornin | [19:46] |
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jurov | evening | [19:48] |
mircea_popescu | that also. | [19:48] |
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BingoBoingo | %t | [19:57] |
atcbot | [X-BT] Bid: 9 Ask: 130 Last Price: 41 24h-Vol: 463k High: 55 Low: 41 VWAP: 47 | [19:57] |
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mircea_popescu | hey, who were the muppets that closed recently, claiming they were spending 9k/month on servers among other thiungs ? qntra reported it | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | moolah.io ty. | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | so no pinguirker replacement sitll huh. | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2014/mpex-smpoe-october-2014-statement/ | [20:28] |
assbot | MPEx (S.MPOE) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:28] |
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thestringpuller | wow that's early | [20:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8851 @ 0.00078613 = 6.958 BTC [+] | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | 1st neh ? | [20:30] |
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mircea_popescu | mats_cd03: so many soccer moms and scantily dressed lolis last night << where ? | [20:30] |
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mircea_popescu | Naphex: https://i.imgur.com/hPb06Eg.png <<< lol derpowiki page, seems oddly appropriate. | [20:31] |
gernika | Regarding http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/, would the use of a Nash Equilibrium that does not rely on third parties mitigate the problem of the long con? | [20:31] |
assbot | Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | gernika you'll have to go into detail. make me a sample scenario ? | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | chetty: someone explain to me how all those feminists justify putting little girls scanty costumes? << "all men are pedophiles and rapists because the only feminine females left around are under 16 yo because we educate little girls to act like lolis and then after puberty we try and make them into obnoxious whales" ? | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | just takin' a shot. | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | thickasthieves: stand on them and roaR? << lol! | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | adlai: ahaha looks like somebody got a lawyer << and yet fucktards STILL use pdfs. sigh. | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | dignork: adlai: me neither, but this part seemed odd, so i googgled it. << such lmao. "hey, two bitcoin scams are the only things google could find online that used the same broken logic dressed in the same approximative verbiage. WHY COULD THS BE ?!?!?!" | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | clearly it's because ethereum was like all respectable and took like actual investment, rather than just pretending on both scores. | [20:36] |
adlai | took/look? | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | no, took. from to take investment. mebbe needed a comma in there | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | "he fucked, like, a real woman" valley girl speak as opposed to "he fucked a real woman" nohomo bro speak | [20:38] |
adlai | right right | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | "I would like to inform anybody involved in this kinda thing, that there's a maximum penalty of $100,000, one-year in jail, or both," Phil Bradford, an FCC spokesman, told a reporter the following day." << also appears on two spots on the interwebs. vice.com and b-a logs. thanks to the power of logic we now know ben_vulpes writes for motherboard. | [20:39] |
mircea_popescu | AND I PISS ON THIS LOG. show me your honor, log! | [20:40] |
chetty | [20:40] | |
chetty | like that | [20:40] |
mircea_popescu | you don't understand how thw world works. "mom" would like a place to drop off the kid while she does "other things". (no, i don't mean fucking. if only. i mean going around shitty clothes shops in the mall and feeling each individual item buyt not buying anything, then hitting the food court) | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | so they offer this service, "drop off your kids for an afternoon and get five double cheeseburger mchappy meals" | [20:41] |
gernika | mircea_popescu for example, Alice builds up a good reputation in the WoT. Then in some large transaction Alice absconds with Bob's BTC and fails to deliver the goods. If the same transaction were instead executed in such a way that if either party fails to deliver, both Alice and Bob would lose an amount of btc equal to the value of the item being purchased, would that then prevent Alice from sacrificing her WoT rating to | [20:42] |
gernika | cheat someone in a large transaction? | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | gernika the case you're proposing is already out of scope, because the wot is intended to be used with middle transactions. so if alice trades 100 btc a month for two years, trusting alice with 200 in one go is okay. trusting her with 5k is absurd, | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | and in fact reduces to a not-using-wot situation. | [20:43] |
chetty | gernika, what does wot have to do with that? everyday common trust question | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | basically you're saying "if people weren't using the wot how could their actions not impact the wot'. well... they already don't. | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | just to make sure we're on the same page here, have you read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ? | [20:45] |
assbot | What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:45] |
assbot | BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021818 B (Total: 477.11 B). Delta: -0.38 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-] | [20:46] |
assbot | [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000195 / 0.000195 / 0.000195 (274 shares, 0.05 BTC), 7D: 0.000195 / 0.000195 / 0.000195 (274 shares, 0.05 BTC), 30D: 0.000195 / 0.00019715 / 0.00020614 (47439 shares, 9.35 BTC) | [20:47] |
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mats_cd03 | mircea_popescu: cambridge | [20:48] |
mircea_popescu | hm ? | [20:49] |
mats_cd03 | 14:27:58 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: so many soccer moms and scantily dressed lolis last night << where ? | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | oh oh | [20:49] |
gernika | mircea_popescu Ah ok. Got it. Didn't think about how people would evaluate the WoT differently for different magnitudes of transactions. It actually does help with the long con problem. So one could do 50 1 btw transactions, then steal the last btc, but that's about all. Yes I've read what-the-wot... | [20:50] |
mircea_popescu | you mean lolis as in freshman, 19yo womenz mats_cd03 ?! | [20:50] |
gernika | s/btw/btc | [20:50] |
mats_cd03 | no i mean 12 year olds, girls | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | gernika well, one could put the time in to build himself and steal some, but the idea is that he wouldn't really manage to steal more than what not stealing is worth on a discouinted basis for him. | [20:51] |
mats_cd03 | altho there were plenty of freshmen walking around | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | which is why people who pretend to trade but aren't in the wot, and ESPECIALLY people who pretend to raise capital/issue equity but have no experience whatsoever are suspect. | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | they HAVE TO BE frauds, pure and simple, there's no logical alternative. | [20:51] |
mircea_popescu | mats_cd03 da fuck are 12yos doing on campus anyway | [20:51] |
mats_cd03 | things overheard last night: 'we should find some MIT guys, they're, like, going to rule the world. but, really!' | [20:51] |
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mats_cd03 | i was in a few residential neighborhoods close-ish to somerville, so... kids | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | ah ah | [20:53] |
mircea_popescu | isn't it fucking cold in east fucking anglia, nov 1st ? | [20:53] |
gernika | mircea_popescu So in order for someone to get rated for a more valuable interaction than they have ever participated in before, someone else always needs to take a risk, correct? | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | gernika exaclty, and in wot-terms he makes a trust donation to the wot and to his partner. | [20:54] |
mats_cd03 | it was ~40F, plenty warm enough. chicks around here walk around in shirts and a belt in january, ~15F, on friday nights | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | gernika the situation being exactly equivalent to when they first joined the wot, had no ratings. | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | because in practical terms, they DO have no ratings, for that level. | [20:54] |
mats_cd03 | getting laid is more important than warmth. | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | mats_cd03 in fairness, i dun think it's sluttiness, i think its simple use. you should see the chicks here, it rained two days ago, it was like... i dunno, 18 instead of 23 celsisus ? COATS! shivering! everyone destroyed omg it's so cold. | [20:56] |
gernika | mircea_popescu Would a nash equilibrium based exchange in THAT case be of use? Or would it nullify the donation to the wot? | [20:56] |
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mircea_popescu | gernika it seems to me the wot is already generating it's own equilibrium, not clear to me what you mean by "nash equilibrium based exchange" | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | we're back to give me an example. | [20:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2999 @ 0.00079134 = 2.3732 BTC [+] | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | http://oglaf.com/weirdwoman/ << every wise old hag starts out in life like this | [20:58] |
assbot | the Weird Woman | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | http://media.oglaf.com/loglines/flight-mode.gif | [21:05] |
mircea_popescu | http://oglaf.com/delivery/ << bwahhah chetty, were you asking about the mothers ? there's the mother! | [21:10] |
assbot | delivery | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | i seriously think that comic pretty much illustrates the mental process of the libertard us female. she has a little girl that grows up to be a man | [21:10] |
mircea_popescu | that takes it in the ass. | [21:10] |
gernika | mircea_popescu So in a case where two parties have no information about each other (which is essentially the same as when one party is in the WoT and one isn't, or when one party wants to do a trade they're not rated for), a nash equilibrium allows a way to incentivize both parties to complete the transaction faithfully by forcing both parties to risk the value of the item being traded contingent on the trade being completed | [21:11] |
gernika | successfully. It would work like this: Alice wants to sell her gold for btc. She puts 1 oz of gold worth of btc in Chad's basket. Bob puts 2 oz. of gold worth of btc in Chad's basket. Alice gives Bob her gold. Bob refuses to give Alice her 1 oz of gold worth of btc. Chad threatens to throw his basket over the cliff. Bob reluctantly give alice 1 oz of gold worth of btc. Chad gives everyone back their stuff from the | [21:11] |
gernika | basket. | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | you're describing an escrow. | [21:11] |
gernika | Well, an escrow that doesn't make any decision in the event of a dispute except to say both parties are out their escrow. | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | if that's what you mean best call it escrow, because the bitcoin crowd (esp here) is highly technical and the nash reference sends people mentally exploring large swaths of math theory. | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | right. that's how escrow actually works. "come back when you agree" | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | anyway! this is how services such as localbitcoins work. | [21:12] |
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gernika | Also, this escrow can be done without a third party | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | the problem are all the edge cases. did you catch that discussion in the logs, as to what localbitcoins is vulnerable to ? | [21:13] |
gernika | via multisig transactions | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | no, it can not, because you can't multisig dollars, or bars of gold. | [21:13] |
gernika | But you don't need to. The seller puts the value of their item in btc in escrow. The buyer puts double the value of the item in btc in escrow. | [21:14] |
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mircea_popescu | o.O | [21:15] |
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gernika | The seller then ships the item. | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | are you aware that trade as-is is credit-supported so people don't actually need to put up even the actual value of the items ? | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | that's why international trade happens on the basis of locs and so forth. | [21:15] |
mircea_popescu | you're going the other wa | [21:16] |
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gernika | I have seen discussion of that on Trilema, I believe. Doesn't that arrangement depend on a trusted third party? The creditor? | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [21:18] |
mircea_popescu | gernika let me illustrate the problem of trust and the limits of the universe to you with a risque comic. | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | here it is : http://oglaf.com/homecoming/ | [21:19] |
assbot | homecoming | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | now, in this comic, trudy cooper makes the excellent point that resources are scarce, whereas trust cheap. | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | so, in any practical situaiton, a solution that relies on trust will outperform a solution that relies on expenditure. | [21:20] |
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gernika | Hmm yes. Trust *is* cheap. | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | now, fucking could consist of the girl getting another cock and the guy getting another cunt to sit and watch them while they do it. | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | this wasteful system has actually been implemented in practice, it's what victorian england was all about | [21:25] |
mircea_popescu | HOWEVER it is not a stable solution. because wasteful, fundamentally. | [21:26] |
[]bot | Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.67715114 BTC. Current weight: 73,639. | [21:28] |
gernika | I suppose in my mind I conflated being forced to trust certain third parties (my "elected" representative, my bank, the Federal Reserve) and voluntarily trusting random ebay sellers. | [21:30] |
mircea_popescu | http://pastebin.com/PnsGiZ2A <<< dude... this is just what i do. i save the people who save people from FIRE | [21:31] |
assbot | Subject: Re: You've been hacked. From: * Date: Sat, November 1, 2014 2:55 - Pastebin.com | [21:31] |
mircea_popescu | gernika yeah, forced trust is no trust at all. | [21:32] |
mircea_popescu | which is why the entire democratic blabla about "social contracts" and whatnot is so laughable. | [21:32] |
mircea_popescu | "o hey, you're part of a contract you enver signed lol!" | [21:32] |
bounce | Y U SUCH HAXX0R | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | bounce nah, see, most recend attempt at ddosing qntra used a large number of broken-into websites. | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | which i've been notifying. | [21:33] |
gernika | So what is the term or concept for forced trust in third parties? | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | gernika rape works. | [21:34] |
gernika | lol | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | technically forced thrust, but still. | [21:34] |
gernika | It's the sort of trust that you think is trust at first, then realize you have no other options later. | [21:34] |
bounce | how is that "trust"? o_O? | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | then that's anti-rape. rape seems to be this thing where you think you have no options at first, then later you realise that you did so you go and denounce the fucker. | [21:35] |
gernika | bounce it's not trust, just not sure what it is. Anti-rape. Will consider that. | [21:36] |
gernika | A world where you appear to have a bunch of choices, but in fact you have only one and it sucks. | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | o, that's just how the world works!!1 | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | now you understand how the world works. unlike putin! | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | gernika on a more serious note, this is a problem familiar from game design. you can either have choice or stability, not both. systems that are to any degree stable only achieve this stability by denying choice correspondingly. | [21:39] |
bounce | what was that game again, "diplomacy" | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | all games are that game again. matrimony too. | [21:39] |
bounce | well, no | [21:40] |
mircea_popescu | a challenge appears ? | [21:40] |
bounce | you're trying your hand at english where mark twain tried at german, by proposing to replace all words with just "slag" and "zug". | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | choice of words is a poor simile for choice of action. | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | mostly because (blessfully) representation is toothless upon reality. | [21:42] |
bounce | even so not all games are one and the same | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | with respect to choice and stability ? yeah they are. | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | this is like saying all naming conventions are the same to zooko's triangle. | [21:43] |
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mthreat | Patagonia is nice - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hkl1IsY2UA | [21:49] |
assbot | Hyperlapse of boat ride on Lake Lacar back to San Martin de Los Andes - YouTube | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | o you took off already ? | [21:49] |
mthreat | ya, a few days ago | [21:50] |
mircea_popescu | how cold is it ? | [21:51] |
mthreat | it's snowing right now, which is very unusual for this time of year here. | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | yeah it';s colder than usual up here too. | [21:51] |
mircea_popescu | fucking pleasant weather. | [21:51] |
mthreat | going to Bariloche tomorrow, and should pass through Villa la Angostura, by Hitler's supposed house there | [21:53] |
mircea_popescu | "hitler slept here" lol | [21:53] |
mthreat | the house is for sale, I expect to see it on BitPremier soon ;) | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | asking for way too much dough. | [21:55] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;google buenos aires bdsm | [22:38] |
gribble | BDSM Buenos Aires Mistress Oriana - YouTube: |
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mircea_popescu | holy shit srsly ? | [22:38] |
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