Forum logs for 01 May 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116847 < I have a small collection of weimar paper | [00:00] |
assbot | Logged on 30-04-2015 16:21:53; ascii_field: every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies | [00:00] |
decimation | asciilifeform: http://lambda-diode.com/opinion/ecc-memory-2 < " Nevertheless, this means that when you buy a computer, you are playing "DIMM" (and motherboard) roulette . You have something like one chance in three to ten of getting a computer that will experience memory errors at the frightening frequencies (one every few days) that I talked about but attributed to cosmic rays, and that AMD talks about in their whitepaper . " | [00:02] |
assbot | Updates on the need to use error-correcting memory | [00:02] |
decimation | ^good link for "why ecc" n00bs | [00:02] |
asciilifeform | the fact that so many folks appear to get away with using non-ecc ram is proof that almost nothing that is presently done using pc, actually matters | [00:03] |
decimation | although it seems that the cosmic rays might not be the major/primary cause of issues | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | and/or that defects therein are successfully buried in the microshit sewers | [00:03] |
decimation | asciilifeform: I was looking for a non-golden-toilet laptop with ecc today | [00:03] |
decimation | doesn't exist | [00:03] |
asciilifeform | decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made | [00:04] |
asciilifeform | rather than cosmic-anything | [00:04] |
decimation | yeah that's the old-school explanation | [00:04] |
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decimation | supposedly back when ram cells were larger (larger targets) the ram manufacturers took care to ensure that their cases were low alpha emitters | [00:04] |
decimation | and also sealed the silicon in a layer of protective coating | [00:05] |
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decimation | anyway, given how cheap and easy it is to use ecc ram, it does seem rather laughable that folks don't use | [00:06] |
asciilifeform | http://www.electronics-related.com/showthread/sci.electronics.design/426906-2.php << related (2nd post from end) | [00:07] |
assbot | sci.electronics.design | cellphone camera as radiation detector| page 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwuQp4 ) | [00:07] |
asciilifeform | re: how, famously, semiconductor folks used to buy up medieval lead roofs from cathedrals, etc. to get low-rad material | [00:08] |
decimation | there are some links to industry papers written mainly in the 70's-80's | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | mention of xilinx is especially on the point because a bit-flip in fpga routing fabric is catastrophic | [00:08] |
asciilifeform | almost without exception. | [00:08] |
decimation | strangely no one even seems to think of this as being an issue anymore | [00:08] |
decimation | heh yeah certainly would be | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | it 'doesn't matter' because the 'people' sitting on the machines don't matter. | [00:09] |
asciilifeform | you can take this to the bank. | [00:09] |
decimation | certainly a strong argument | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | also note that pb was forbidden | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | (now we get tin whiskers, joy) | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | again, because 'the result doesn't matter' is the secret thought. | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | for machines that matter - usg jet fighters, etc. - not only pb but enviro-whiner 'atrocities' like halon are permitted. | [00:11] |
decimation | yeah | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | there is probably a tank of mortal baby seal tears in an f-22. etc | [00:12] |
decimation | and 'big iron' servers have ecc, raid as standard features | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | i consider a box without ecc and some level of redundant storage - a toy, not computer | [00:13] |
decimation | I took a cpr class today, relatively simple AED electronics cost > $1k | [00:13] |
asciilifeform | golden toilet. | [00:14] |
decimation | partially for the liability, but partially also because the design is actually expected to work | [00:14] |
asciilifeform | go price a 'medical grade' power supply. just ac-dc brick, any voltage. | [00:14] |
decimation | heh yeah. same for anything on an aircraft | [00:14] |
asciilifeform | it is a function of the expected net worth of the purchaser | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | and has nothing whatsoever to do with physical internals | [00:16] |
decimation | well, more like a function of the probability of being sued for arbitrary liability | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | decimation: where did the 'breathalyzer' lawsuit go? | [00:17] |
asciilifeform | magicked away. | [00:17] |
decimation | for example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/03/14/why-you-shouldnt-sell-any-product-to-an-american-mu-2-crash-in-oklahoma/ | [00:17] |
assbot | Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Why you shouldn’t sell any product to an American (MU-2 crash in Oklahoma) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4V9qr ) | [00:17] |
decimation | " for example. If we take the last five minutes of flight as critical due to the proximity to the ground, the lawsuit essentially says that it is more likely that a 1 in 756,000 probability event occurred (engine shutdown during a randomly selected five-minute block of operation time) than that a pilot with virtually no turbine experience or experience with the MU-2 crashed the notoriously tricky airplane through pilot error. " | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | re: servers: it is interesting to consider what kind of reliability mechanics would be standard (like ecc is) if microshit and unix did not exist to make a gigantic software shitter in which to hide hardware flukes | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | 'tandem' voting circuits, etc. would probably be SOP | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | (if -any- failure could be reliably pinned on softs) | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | hards, rather | [00:19] |
decimation | actually, much more sophisticated techniques exist | [00:19] |
decimation | somehow hard drives are allowed to have their own computers, so they implement advanced ldpc codes | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | all such techniques are fundamentally and provably variations on same theme | [00:19] |
decimation | sure. somehow ram didn't escape the reach of the microshit von neumann machine, but hard disk did | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | (or scams, of course. no shortage of this) | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | hard disk is running turdware since when, '04 ? | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | there are known bugs in hdd firmware | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | (not even speaking of satanic influence here) | [00:20] |
decimation | sure, but it's not directly visible, unlike cpu/ram interface | [00:20] |
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asciilifeform | quite visible when they drop out of a raid for no discernible reason | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | and then happily pop back in | [00:21] |
decimation | heh yeah raid controllers are their own world if crazy too | [00:21] |
decimation | does there exist a completely open firmware for a raid controller? | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | not afaik. | [00:23] |
decimation | yeah I've never hear of it either | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | nor is any raid chipset, afaik, documented to anything like the necessary level. | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | (go put one through disasm, if you can figure out the architecture. it's a morass of magical values being written to magical registers for magical reasons) | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | ditto nics, gpu, etc. | [00:25] |
asciilifeform | the whole shit soup. | [00:25] |
asciilifeform | but i think this is, at this point, known to virtually everyone. | [00:26] |
decimation | and also try moving the drives from one controller to another (even same make and model) | [00:26] |
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asciilifeform | http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/nyc-police.htm << mega-l0l | [00:31] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4XzFw ) | [00:31] |
decimation | they hardly look like baltimore residents | [00:32] |
asciilifeform | new york | [00:33] |
asciilifeform | 'solidarity' | [00:33] |
decimation | lol | [00:33] |
asciilifeform | speaking of 'cryptome', | [00:34] |
asciilifeform | the whole snowden thing seems to have been quietly multiplied by 0, and nobody noticed. | [00:34] |
decimation | asciilifeform: apparently the story was suddenly uninteresting | [00:34] |
asciilifeform | certainly uninteresting, when no new papers | [00:35] |
decimation | the interesting point will be to see if anyone even mentions it in the presidential campaign | [00:36] |
asciilifeform | they can mention what they want: | [00:36] |
asciilifeform | j. carter promised to 'reveal' aliens at 'area-51' in his campaign. | [00:36] |
asciilifeform | !s if you ask again there will be problems | [00:37] |
assbot | 1 results for 'if you ask again there will be problems' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+ask+again+there+will+be+problems | [00:37] |
asciilifeform | ^ the legend | [00:37] |
BingoBoingo | If I recall Clitler in the 1990's promised to press her husband to do similar | [00:37] |
decimation | http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/baltimore-riots.html?_r=1 < more lol "Near the burned-out CVS, Robert Wilson, a college student who went to high school in Baltimore, said: “With the riots, we’re not trying to act like animals or thugs. We’re just angry at the surroundings, like this is all that is given to us, and we’re tired of this, like nobody wants to wake up and see broken-down buildings. They take away the | [00:38] |
decimation | community centers, they take away our fathers, and now we have traffic lights that don’t work, we have houses that are crumbling, falling down.”" | [00:38] |
assbot | Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EV1EdD ) | [00:38] |
asciilifeform | decimation: this specific idiocy was articulated as early as 1952 in ellison's 'invisible man' | [00:39] |
decimation | "this is all that is given to us" | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | in, iirc (school was long ago) specifically these wordfs | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | *words | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | to chimp (of whatever colour upholstery) his surroundings merely 'happen' to him, they are 'given', yes. | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | or 'taken away' | [00:41] |
decimation | and apparently any unwanted changes can easily be explained by the evil conspiracy of 'they' | [00:41] |
asciilifeform | t. dalrymple (see logs) had many wonderful stories of his patients (he was a prison shrink for some years) who saw police, judges, etc. as malevolent martians persecuting them 'for no reason at all' | [00:44] |
decimation | this is a common failure mode even for folks outside jail | [00:45] |
decimation | of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure | [00:45] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: In East St Louis there are Stop Signs mounted to the traffic control lights | [00:45] |
asciilifeform | decimation: paranoia is not really the magic here, in most cases - more like standard narcissism as painted by tlp | [00:46] |
decimation | yeah, good point | [00:46] |
decimation | BingoBoingo: is there even much traffic there? | [00:46] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: lots | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen | [00:47] |
decimation | http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the other hand, the cops are out there | [00:48] |
decimation | putting their lives on the line to save their city." | [00:48] |
assbot | Baltimore Cop in the Hood « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q50xKe ) | [00:48] |
decimation | BingoBoingo: apparently the wise masters who run east st. louis have better things upon which to spend their tax dollars/bonds/whatever | [00:48] |
decimation | couple $10k for a traffic light just doesn't rate | [00:49] |
asciilifeform | 'A former Baltimore cop explains things: ... The same idiots who burned shit down Monday, they’re gonna be there today and tomorrow. The cops are always dealing with them, whether they’re burning things down or not. They’re always there.' | [00:49] |
asciilifeform | ^ betcha many of these cops would -love- to close a perimeter around these snakepits and shoot everything that moves, for sport. | [00:50] |
decimation | sure | [00:50] |
asciilifeform | the folks currently preventing them from acting on this desire - are the actual rulers. | [00:50] |
decimation | "We tell them to do the best they can, and then when an individual cop messes up, everybody blames the police. And cops feel strangely victimized by this system — they’re put in the middle and used as political tools." | [00:50] |
asciilifeform | we will know when usg falls, when this magical barrier disappears. | [00:50] |
decimation | asciilifeform: quite so, high level civil servants, press, etc | [00:50] |
asciilifeform | decimation: nah. the federal gendarmerie | [00:50] |
decimation | ^warning to people who want to enter the us police chumpatron | [00:51] |
decimation | asciilifeform: what composes the 'federal gendarmerie'? fbi? | [00:53] |
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decimation | heh http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/04/30/american-optimism-on-parade-at-the-fed/ | [01:15] |
assbot | Philip Greenspun's Weblog » American optimism on parade at the Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q55pPk ) | [01:15] |
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mircea_popescu | prolly going to be an endless parade as we enter into the last phase. buffett started it. | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117518 << this. people have nfi what level of radiation counts as "background". if cosmic rays were as energetic as you know, actual matter ? we'd have serious problems. and some pretty kickass satellites. | [01:57] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 02:58:55; asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | cosmic ray powered space excavators and steamrollers. | [01:57] |
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mircea_popescu | decimation : all it takes is for the entire "law enforcement" thing to be broken once. its own manzikert moment. | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | "On the optimism bias, while I’ve known that these numbers have been consistently too optimistic, I always assumed that the senior leadership of the fed had access to the real data, and the numbers put out for the public were heavily, well, decorated." | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | apparently the double accounting thing is obvious by now. | [02:02] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117574 << shit, i've seen .jar based raid controllers. HARDWARE raid controllers. | [02:15] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 03:18:35; asciilifeform: not afaik. | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/pict13.jpg << wtf is this zulu bullshit ? | [02:19] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117611 << it'd help a lot if it simply abstained from getting in the way. | [02:24] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 03:40:37; decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure | [02:24] |
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mircea_popescu | that's perhaps the true subtext there. "they told me not to grab womyn butt. okay, i don't. they told me not to hunt deer off the highway. ok, i don't. they told me not to make fire indoors. alright. and i don't smoke either, and apparently coke is bad. i liked coke but whatever. | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | HOWEVER they also promised all sorts of shit. in exchange. where is it ?" | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117617 << yes. most of the us, like most of mongolia, like poor india, is specifically bad because bad climate, horrible buildings, vastly misused concrete, steel, etc. | [02:26] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 03:42:41; asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen | [02:26] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117618 << this is the africa problem. | [02:26] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 03:43:02; decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | africa doesn't suck because "black people suck". africa sucks because africa is the people who were left behind. | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | the people left behind always suck. | [02:27] |
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mircea_popescu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcQSLJHpwCA | [02:41] |
assbot | Shit White Girls Say To Latinas - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBEGqw ) | [02:41] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00026942 = 5.9811 BTC [+] | [11:25] |
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mircea_popescu | !up RockHoster_ | [11:40] |
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RockHoster_ | any admin | [11:49] |
RockHoster_ | ?? | [11:49] |
mircea_popescu | 'sthematter ? | [11:50] |
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RockHoster_ | https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_VPS_providers | [11:50] |
assbot | Comparison of VPS providers - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivx8Xk ) | [11:50] |
RockHoster_ | I want to discuss about this page. | [11:50] |
mircea_popescu | ok ? | [11:50] |
RockHoster_ | Are you admin ? | [11:51] |
williamdunne | We can be | [11:51] |
williamdunne | Its a wiki page | [11:51] |
RockHoster_ | WHy is it removed | [11:51] |
mircea_popescu | admin of what ? bitcoin ? the wiki you linked ? the dns system ? | [11:51] |
RockHoster_ | ?? | [11:51] |
mircea_popescu | gotta be specific. | [11:51] |
RockHoster_ | moderator of bitcoin.it | [11:51] |
williamdunne | This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. | [11:51] |
williamdunne | 13:56, 5 April 2015 Taras (Talk | contribs) deleted page Comparison of VPS providers (content was: "{{PfD|Nobody is willing to frequently update it. It's completely useless and misleading.}} {{outdated}} VPS price comparison. Cheapest plans are shown. Based on list of providers that accept...") | [11:51] |
mircea_popescu | if i recall, Luke-Jr was admining that thing | [11:52] |
RockHoster_ | Is it possible to remake this page ?? | [11:52] |
williamdunne | Yes, its a wiki | [11:52] |
williamdunne | I'll do it for you if you'd like for a price | [11:52] |
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RockHoster_ | What price ? | [11:53] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne afaik they restricted new accounts because nobody was giving a shit and there was too much spam | [11:53] |
williamdunne | And a monthly maintaining price ofc to keep it up to date | [11:53] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: I have an account already | [11:53] |
RockHoster_ | I also have a account with editing rights | [11:53] |
williamdunne | RockHoster_: 4 BTC initial, 1 BTC per/month after that to keep it up to date | [11:53] |
williamdunne | You can't edit it though or it would be shilling | [11:53] |
mircea_popescu | o look at that, 50 changes this month. including tonal. | [11:54] |
mats | i loled | [11:54] |
williamdunne | If its worth enough for you to come here, the price should be worth it. Not surprised that it drove a fair bit of traffic | [11:54] |
RockHoster_ | Why was this deleted ? | [11:54] |
mircea_popescu | who's taras anyway | [11:54] |
williamdunne | Because no one was keeping it up to date | [11:54] |
williamdunne | Apparently people like being paid for work | [11:55] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne the two propositions are contradictory neh ? | [11:55] |
RockHoster_ | I can keep it up to date | [11:55] |
williamdunne | RockHoster_: You don't qualify as a neutral source | [11:55] |
mats | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-01/gold-manipulator-busted-after-zero-hedge-report-hft-gold-spoofing | [11:55] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy3Hf ) | [11:55] |
RockHoster_ | I stay online for more than 8 hours daily | [11:55] |
williamdunne | mircea_popescu: Yeah, true. Although this page is a particularly awkward one to upkeep | [11:56] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, RockHoster_ : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop | [11:56] |
williamdunne | RockHoster_: Doesn't change your neutrality | [11:56] |
assbot | User list - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy91C ) | [11:56] |
RockHoster_ | So I can't moderate page | [11:57] |
williamdunne | No | [11:57] |
RockHoster_ | What can I do if I want to be moderator of that page ? | [11:58] |
mircea_popescu | mats twist : he was manipulating it UP | [11:58] |
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williamdunne | RockHoster_: You can't, because you're not neutral. You need someone to do it for you | [11:58] |
williamdunne | Not a hard concept | [11:58] |
williamdunne | And they can't be biased towards you ofc | [11:58] |
mircea_popescu | the weird wales has wrounght on the interwebs. | [11:59] |
mircea_popescu | RockHoster_ were you one of the participants in the "fight to be on the top" ? | [11:59] |
RockHoster_ | Seriously I don't have 1 BTC to pay somebody | [11:59] |
RockHoster_ | to manage | [11:59] |
williamdunne | Well then don't, I offered my personal price. Take it or leave it | [11:59] |
williamdunne | And its 4 BTC upfront, then 1 per month after that | [12:00] |
RockHoster_ | How can I trust you ? | [12:00] |
mircea_popescu | RockHoster_ looky here : the REASON you don't have 1 btc to throw away is that you're spedning your time trying to manipulate an obscure wiki nobody gives a shit about. | [12:00] |
williamdunne | !gettrust williamdunne | [12:00] |
assbot | Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user williamdunne: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/ | [12:00] |
mircea_popescu | stop wasting your time, do something useful, you'll have plenty o' money eventually. | [12:00] |
williamdunne | RockHoster_: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/ | [12:00] |
assbot | williamdunne WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvyZvh ) | [12:00] |
mircea_popescu | in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e655795aa8cfab5ea7bde62c9aa0e2e9/tumblr_mhrf3nPRgN1r21xm5o1_1280.jpg | [12:01] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivz41V ) | [12:01] |
RockHoster_ | What benefit will I get ?? | [12:01] |
RockHoster_ | I shhould say | [12:01] |
RockHoster_ | special benefit | [12:01] |
RockHoster_ | If I pay you 1 BTC ?? | [12:01] |
williamdunne | RockHoster_: You'll be on the list, you get no "special" benefit. I can't be biased towards you I will be neutral | [12:01] |
mircea_popescu | sigh | [12:01] |
mircea_popescu | !down RockHoster_ | [12:01] |
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davout | mircea_popescu: ty | [12:01] |
mircea_popescu | this world an' teh people in it... | [12:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4954 @ 0.00026503 = 1.313 BTC [-] | [12:02] |
mircea_popescu | williamdunne how the fuck are you going to make a neutral list of "vps hosters" anyway. | [12:02] |
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mircea_popescu | might as well sort seashells by size. | [12:02] |
williamdunne | Google a bunch of them, put their location and offerings on the list | [12:02] |
mircea_popescu | a) they're all the same size and b) every tide washes more in. | [12:03] |
mircea_popescu | i was under the impression "vps hosting" is the new "unlimited shared hosting" thing of the 2000s. | [12:03] |
williamdunne | Before I think it was data allowance, price, location and if they allow tor or not | [12:04] |
mircea_popescu | ;;bc,stats | [12:11] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 354509 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 306 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None | [12:11] |
mircea_popescu | dat none... | [12:11] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117664 << i'd love nothing more than to disrupt their economy to the point they're left begging on street corners. | [12:12] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 09:35:48; chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame | [12:12] |
mircea_popescu | it's slow going. | [12:12] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117673 << it's funny tho, all the fraudulent pretense. "oh, a guy we never met is a founding director, because we wish to have the implication of legitimacy that would offer. next we make george washington founding director, and edit his wikipedia to say he founded the us and our turd" | [12:14] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 10:10:47; jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first | [12:14] |
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mircea_popescu | davout Pierre_Rochard iirc danielpbarron has a write-up somewhere. | [12:14] |
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pete_dushenski | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117344 << always has been, always will be. | [12:18] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 00:53:04; mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ? | [12:18] |
pete_dushenski | despite the practical limitations, it's still cool to be ginormous. | [12:19] |
pete_dushenski | sorta like that louis ck bit about young black comics just being way, way fucking cooler than he could ever be | [12:20] |
mats | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-24/why-nav-sarao-had-be-destroyed-he-found-way-beat-hfts-their-own-game also good zh | [12:22] |
assbot | Why Nav Sarao Had To Be Destroyed: He Found A Way To Beat The HFTs At Their Own Game | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvCSAi ) | [12:22] |
pete_dushenski | !s edgerouter | [12:26] |
assbot | 19 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter | [12:26] |
pete_dushenski | ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/ | [12:26] |
assbot | FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite | [12:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00026836 = 21.5896 BTC [+] {2} | [12:26] |
pete_dushenski | or using serial comm software other than minicom ?? | [12:27] |
Pierre_Rochard | mircea_popescu: install instructions relating to my accounting software, not pogo/bitcoin | [12:28] |
pete_dushenski | ;;later tell decimation did you set up your edgerouter in osx ? if so, did you also have issues with minicom ? | [12:29] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [12:29] |
* | pete_dushenski will be using ubuntu in next edgerouter set-up attempt. | [12:31] |
pete_dushenski | goddam you osx ! | [12:31] |
mats | why ubuntu? | [12:32] |
pete_dushenski | why not ? | [12:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00026942 = 8.6349 BTC [+] | [12:35] |
danielpbarron | !s nigbuntu | [12:35] |
assbot | 12 results for 'nigbuntu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nigbuntu | [12:35] |
mats | i've rarely had a good experience with ubuntu | [12:36] |
pete_dushenski | mats: but not never ! | [12:38] |
mats | basically, at work my team has a "you break it, we fix it" policy | [12:38] |
pete_dushenski | i'm just trying to set up this edgerouter with freebsd. nothing else. | [12:38] |
mats | i spend a non trivial amount of time debugging ubuntu desktops whenever people break it | [12:38] |
mats | its hellish, man | [12:38] |
mats | this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers | [12:39] |
pete_dushenski | serves him right ? | [12:40] |
pete_dushenski | wtf does anyone seriously need bluetooth for, talking while driving ? | [12:41] |
pete_dushenski | 'wireless' speakers | [12:41] |
mats | i never figured out why, but the kernel seemed convinced there was a hardware switch thrown someplace | [12:41] |
* | mats needs to read the linux kernel | [12:41] |
danielpbarron | pete_dushenski, oh you mean use ubuntu on the machine from which you are connecting to the edgerouter/ | [12:42] |
mats | he had wireless headphones he wanted to use at his desk | [12:42] |
pete_dushenski | danielpbarron: that, yes. | [12:42] |
pete_dushenski | mats: i don't see the appeal of wireless headphones, mostly because they're another thing to charge with another cable | [12:42] |
danielpbarron | not so bad; i used ubuntu to do that with pogo for my first attempted after soldering the serial thing onto it | [12:43] |
pete_dushenski | more battery management, which is what 'modern lyf' seems to reduce to. | [12:43] |
pete_dushenski | danielpbarron: i figure it's worth a shot seeing as how i'm at a bit of a dead end with osx | [12:43] |
danielpbarron | you should better learn gentoo or something though | [12:43] |
danielpbarron | it's just a matter of opening a serial console or whatever? | [12:44] |
ben_vulpes | gentoo quest! | [12:44] |
ben_vulpes | pete_dushenski: gentoo quest | [12:44] |
pete_dushenski | danielpbarron: that's where i'm at, yes. serial comm software 'minicom' doesn't want to work. | [12:45] |
pete_dushenski | ben_vulpes: this *will* happen. | [12:45] |
danielpbarron | can you try to use screen instead? | [12:45] |
danielpbarron | idk if screen has a port for os x | [12:46] |
mats | i like the idea of wireless headphones but the bluetooth stack is horribly damaged | [12:46] |
danielpbarron | i'm reading the thing you pasted, and the instructions are very similar to adulterating a pogo | [12:47] |
pete_dushenski | http://screen-osx.sourceforge.net/ ?? | [12:47] |
assbot | SourceForge.net: Screen-OSX - Project Web Hosting - Open Source Software | [12:47] |
mats | Fun fact: the BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) spec provides three key exchange mechanisms, two of the three which do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection | [12:47] |
mats | so... given that the out of band key exchange is the most difficult to implement, that's effectively a selective backdoor. | [12:47] |
ben_vulpes | pete_dushenski: forgive my late arrival to the thread, but why are we talking about screen on os x? | [12:48] |
pete_dushenski | as an alternative to minicom for serial communication between desktop and edgerouter | [12:48] |
ben_vulpes | aha | [12:48] |
mats | another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping. | [12:49] |
ben_vulpes | sounds annoying and complicated | [12:49] |
pete_dushenski | setting up the edgerouter with freebsd is proving to be exactly that! | [12:49] |
pete_dushenski | but i shan't give in just yet. | [12:49] |
danielpbarron | does your serial adapter show up in /dev/ ? | [12:49] |
danielpbarron | because that's the most annoying part really | [12:50] |
ben_vulpes | ah yeah, but that's annoying and complicated with a future, unlike your current "dead end" | [12:50] |
ben_vulpes | anyways don't let me distract you :P | [12:50] |
pete_dushenski | heh | [12:50] |
pete_dushenski | danielpbarron: good question... | [12:51] |
danielpbarron | "A collection of scripts that work together to manage multiple invocations of GNU Screen to overcome some of its limitations on Mac OS X." | [12:51] |
danielpbarron | for me, serial adapter is only accessible as root, although i think i read somewhere there are things you can do to make it work for other users | [12:53] |
danielpbarron | and that thing i just quoted makes it sound like screen is already on OS X; try typing screen --version in your terminal | [12:53] |
pete_dushenski | danielpbarron: just checked. /dev/cu.usbserial shows up. | [12:54] |
pete_dushenski | 'Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06' | [12:54] |
danielpbarron | once you have screen, it's as easy as typing screen /dev/cu.usbserial 115200 | [12:54] |
danielpbarron | 115200 is the baud rate | [12:55] |
pete_dushenski | tried. 'no such file or directory' | [12:55] |
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danielpbarron | for me, the serial adapter is numbered | [12:56] |
danielpbarron | like /dev/ttyUSB0 | [12:56] |
danielpbarron | i'm surprised it says the file doesn't exist when you say you saw it in /dev/ | [12:57] |
pete_dushenski | i'm as confused as anyone ! | [12:58] |
danielpbarron | if you do wind up using ubuntu, the live cd is suitable ; you can even "install" screen to the temporary system without actually writing to your hard drive | [13:01] |
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pete_dushenski | okie dokie, pete the n00b might've just isolated the issue... | [13:12] |
pete_dushenski | instead of establishing a serial connection with 'edgeos' first, i installed freebsd on the usb drive first | [13:12] |
pete_dushenski | so unconfigured freebsd has no way of talking to minicom or anything else. it's just a file on a drive. | [13:13] |
pete_dushenski | a fucktard is me. | [13:13] |
pete_dushenski | now to see if i can re-install edgeos and start over :) | [13:13] |
davout | danielpbarron: so, do you have instructions on how to set up the pogo? does it necessarily imply soldering wizardry? | [13:15] |
ben_vulpes | davout: danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt | [13:16] |
davout | ben_vulpes: ty | [13:17] |
davout | hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything | [13:19] |
davout | maybe i misunderstood something | [13:19] |
danielpbarron | no soldering necessary | [13:29] |
davout | haha, ok nice, guess i'm going to put the pogo back together then :-) | [13:30] |
danielpbarron | as long as you don't botch the re-flash, it should be possible to do everything over ethernet | [13:30] |
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davout | ok, sounds much better wrt industrializing their setup | [13:32] |
davout | so the first thing i should do is try to access it through SSH, and work from there, right? | [13:34] |
danielpbarron | yes | [13:37] |
danielpbarron | the thing has a built in method for turning on ssh without any extreme modifications, and from there you can do all else | [13:37] |
davout | yeah, the curl bit if i understand correctly | [13:38] |
pete_dushenski | lulz. $lnkd -25% on the week. go social media go ! | [13:40] |
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BingoBoingo | !up ascii_field | [13:52] |
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BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitgo-files-multisig-patent-application-joining-other-bitcoin-patent-parasites/ | [13:53] |
assbot | BitGo Files MultiSig Patent Application Joining Other Bitcoin Patent Parasites | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KA9ech ) | [13:53] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117786 << i did | [13:53] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 15:21:39; pete_dushenski: ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/ | [13:53] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117789 << again, did | [13:53] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 15:22:10; pete_dushenski: or using serial comm software other than minicom ?? | [13:53] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117867 << not only this, but can reflash without any physical parts at all, from stock os | [13:55] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 16:14:34; davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything | [13:55] |
ascii_field | or even enable tftp and use experimental os (e.g., mine) without reflashing at all | [13:56] |
ascii_field | and without swapping physical sticks | [13:56] |
pete_dushenski | ascii_field: what serial comm software did you use ? | [13:57] |
davout | ascii_field: so what's the simplest way of doing it? | [13:57] |
ascii_field | pete_dushenski: 'screen' | [13:59] |
ascii_field | https://www.gnu.org/software/screen | [13:59] |
assbot | GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1EISsXN ) | [13:59] |
ascii_field | davout: doing what ? | [14:00] |
pete_dushenski | ascii_field: aha. cheers. | [14:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26250 @ 0.00025495 = 6.6924 BTC [-] {2} | [14:01] |
davout | ascii_field: i have the physical pogos you gave me, an ethernet cable, a power adapter, an internet connection, a few usb sticks, a working debian, and a 120gb sata disk that fits in the pogo. what's the easiest way to set it up as a bitcoin node | [14:01] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117806 << sounds EXACTLY like windowsuntu. | [14:02] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 15:34:28; mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers | [14:02] |
ascii_field | davout: folow danielpbarron's instructions | [14:02] |
ascii_field | davout: be aware that we don't have a battlefield-ready 0.5.3.x as of yet. | [14:02] |
danielpbarron | i'm rewriting some stuff now, adding to wiki | [14:03] |
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danielpbarron | on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync | [14:04] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117836 << coincidentally, the coincidental coincidences coincide. | [14:04] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 15:44:09; mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping. | [14:04] |
pete_dushenski | danielpbarron: did the ssd make it ? | [14:04] |
danielpbarron | at least, not running on ArchLinux; perhaps with optimizations it could catch up | [14:04] |
ascii_field | [14:04] | |
ascii_field | so pogo node lives or dies by the actual speed of the drive. | [14:05] |
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mircea_popescu | ascii_field actually... a disk cache wouldn't need to be much larger than what, 1mb ? | [14:05] |
danielpbarron | comes as no surprise to me; that's exactly the bottle neck i ran into when first getting into running a node | [14:05] |
mircea_popescu | maybe reiserfs would fix it. | [14:05] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: it is normally a readahead cache | [14:05] |
ascii_field | so needs to be 16-64MB at min. | [14:05] |
danielpbarron | pete_dushenski, my SSD one is still going and I have no reason to suspect it won't eventually sync | [14:06] |
danielpbarron | currently at height=339674 | [14:06] |
mircea_popescu | almost there danielpbarron | [14:06] |
pete_dushenski | excellent. | [14:06] |
danielpbarron | the 5400 rpm one with an up-to-date data dir copied in goes just fast enough to stay about 200 blocks behind the rest of the network at all times; perhaps slowly losing ground | [14:07] |
ascii_field | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << see also. | [14:07] |
assbot | Experiments and fun with the Linux disk cache ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITva3 ) | [14:07] |
mircea_popescu | danielpbarron nuts. | [14:07] |
ascii_field | ^ the down side of how 'unobtrusive' disk cache is implemented on linux is that if ram is 'redlined' to the hilt, there is - approximately - no disk caching at all. | [14:08] |
mircea_popescu | so basically... current blocks are just big enough to interdict 5400 rpm | [14:08] |
davout | danielpbarron: in your docs, 2.2.2 refer to building a kernel for the workstation talking to the pogo, not building a kernel for the pogo itself, or am i heavily confused? | [14:08] |
davout | (referring to http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt) | [14:08] |
mats | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/01/us-goldman-sachs-aleynikov-verdict-idUSKBN0NM43V20150501 | [14:08] |
assbot | 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITNxL ) | [14:08] |
assbot | NY jury finds ex-Goldman programer Aleynikov guilty of code theft | [14:08] |
danielpbarron | davout, yeah that's why i'm rewriting; it's about the workstation connecting to pogo | [14:08] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: with leaky 0.5.3, and on box with 128m, yes | [14:08] |
danielpbarron | davout, only necessary if your doing the serial connection soldering thing | [14:08] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field no, "5400 rpm, no caching" | [14:09] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: aha | [14:09] |
danielpbarron | all you need is to install some sort of TFTP server on your workstation, and use the built in flashing tools of pogo to set some parameters to connect to your workstation when it boots | [14:09] |
mircea_popescu | so basically, "5400 rpm" | [14:10] |
ascii_field | 'A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich.' | [14:10] |
mircea_popescu | "The conviction came two days after the judge overseeing the case removed two jurors after a conflict between the two marred deliberations. | [14:10] |
mircea_popescu | The judge said on Wednesday that letting 10 jurors proceed, not 12, amounted to "uncharted territory," but Marino said that his client agreed to the smaller jury." | [14:10] |
davout | danielpbarron: which i'm not (doing the serial thing), so it's not very clear to me how to build the kernel and software that'll actually run on the pogo once it's ready | [14:10] |
mircea_popescu | herp. | [14:10] |
danielpbarron | davout, i'm not aware of how to do that; i've only ever used ascii's pre-built kernels i think | [14:11] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field "jury of your peers" in the us = "the mentally ill" | [14:11] |
* | ascii_field has seen it alive | [14:11] |
ascii_field | davout, danielpbarron: to build kernel, see my instructions on the listserv | [14:11] |
Adlai | "A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich." | [14:12] |
danielpbarron | my documentation needs massive overhaul lol | [14:12] |
ascii_field | http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html | [14:12] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIUoiS ) | [14:12] |
Adlai | oh ascii_field just pasted this. nvm | [14:12] |
davout | danielpbarron ascii_field ah i see, i wasn't aware that alf had a pre-built kernel that's to be used, i'll work from there, also i'll document everything I do, so maybe you won't need to spend time updating your docs | [14:15] |
ascii_field | davout: it isn't meant to be fired in anger | [14:16] |
ascii_field | please build own kernel | [14:16] |
mats | https://www.udacity.com/course/advanced-operating-systems--ud189 this is pretty good | [14:16] |
assbot | Advanced Operating Systems - Udacity ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIV9sq ) | [14:16] |
ascii_field | i certainly have no intention of distributing bins every time we path | [14:16] |
ascii_field | *patch | [14:16] |
davout | ascii_field: my mission is to idiot-proof the process :D | [14:16] |
davout | but i guess it can also be fun to do the whole thing, maybe i'll end-up with two sets of docs the "advanced" version and the "i just want this goddamn thing running" version | [14:17] |
mircea_popescu | davout good idea. | [14:19] |
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davout | i think both are required, one for the folks who want to inspect, audit or otherwise fuck with the device, and one to turn a crate of stock pogos into node as fast as possible | [14:20] |
mircea_popescu | especially the "document everything i do" part. | [14:21] |
mircea_popescu | the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine | [14:21] |
mircea_popescu | and an actual software environment is exactly that : a. people doing jobs 100% and b) documenting this process 100%. | [14:22] |
ascii_field | world's best smith cannot mold bullet from shit. | [14:22] |
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Adlai | !up ascii_field | [14:22] |
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ascii_field | no matter how documented. | [14:22] |
mircea_popescu | and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree. | [14:22] |
mircea_popescu | with a dull spork. | [14:23] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field the only shit here is in the heads of, again, every white us male with a college degree. | [14:23] |
mircea_popescu | from paul graham to the rackhoster derp above. | [14:24] |
pete_dushenski | i'll definitely be documenting my edgerouter rampage. | [14:24] |
mircea_popescu | even basic would work, if not for them. | [14:24] |
mircea_popescu | (which is what ada is, after all) | [14:24] |
ascii_field | the tech stack is rotten all the way down. | [14:25] |
mircea_popescu | yes. from the fontanelle to the spine. | [14:25] |
ascii_field | (don't take my word for it, it is quite apparent) | [14:25] |
ascii_field | but mircea_popescu has a point, in that it is necessary to kill the mice before cleaning up their shit - otherwise it is a waste of time, there will be infinite shit | [14:26] |
trinque | mircea_popescu | and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree. << heh, my balls are safe then | [14:26] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, once the mice are killed, the shit self-cleans. | [14:27] |
ascii_field | self-cleans ? | [14:27] |
ascii_field | how ?! | [14:27] |
mircea_popescu | well, turns into earth. | [14:27] |
mircea_popescu | you consider a meadow "clean" or "dirty" ? | [14:27] |
ascii_field | poor analogy. usians still can't rid themselves of 120v | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | yes. but the world IS. | [14:28] |
Adlai | somehow the streets of tel aviv are still paved with cement, beneath the dog shit | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | because by now what the usians do is slightly more relevant than what the mongols do. | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | a slightly greater, slightly more relatively advanced empire, slightly longer ago. | [14:29] |
ascii_field | http://www.np.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/2t4557/paypals_investigation_of_laptop_purchased_on_ebay << schizo gold | [14:30] |
assbot | PayPal's investigation of laptop purchased on eBay that was interdicted, infected and implanted : privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIXqnl ) | [14:30] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field more on point : consider how much of the windows turdball self-cleanned by simply making gpg required for voice here. | [14:31] |
mircea_popescu | "oh, can't get in". "well... so from the other perspective... you no longer exist ?" | [14:32] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: this cleaned people, not tech | [14:32] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [14:32] |
mircea_popescu | people and their productions. | [14:32] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo "Earlier this year Chin-hao Hu and Pai-tsung Hsu over the process of generating a Bitcoin transaction offline for which they would assign "Intellectual Property" rights to themselves." << missing verb ? | [14:37] |
BingoBoingo | fxd | [14:38] |
mircea_popescu | http://qntra.net/2015/04/tsinghua-university-creates-a-digital-assets-research-initiative/#comment-20712 << who's this guy anyway | [14:39] |
assbot | Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqlN3X ) | [14:39] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field is he the ninjashoo / | [14:39] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: 'sapien' ? | [14:40] |
mircea_popescu | yeh | [14:40] |
ascii_field | it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires | [14:40] |
ascii_field | how can i know, is it one tree, six, or forty-six | [14:41] |
mircea_popescu | this particular detachment between words and things... | [14:41] |
mircea_popescu | i guess you're right | [14:41] |
ascii_field | appealing in trees. in people - not so much | [14:41] |
mircea_popescu | by the way, am i the only foreigner that thinks southern dialects a lot more expressive, interesting and developed than yankee english ? | [14:42] |
* | ascii_field hasn't enough exposure to the former, to say | [14:43] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFL2GT1-2g | [14:45] |
Pierre_Rochard | mircea_popescu: you are not | [14:45] |
assbot | Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqmRov ) | [14:45] |
mircea_popescu | good primer | [14:45] |
Adlai | the south considered themselves closer to the commonwealth than to the yanks | [14:46] |
trinque | 2:36 what's uuuup | [14:46] |
ascii_field | see also 'the mind of the south' (w. j. cash) - mega-recommended | [14:46] |
ascii_field | (engl.) | [14:47] |
Adlai | and/or "The Killer Angels" | [14:47] |
ascii_field | had interesting thesis - that cotton only worked on small fraction of land available, and the rest was left mostly alone to the non-slaveholding inhabitants, with minimal statal footprint | [14:47] |
trinque | southerners like their govts dysfunctional at best | [14:48] |
trinque | tx legislature meets every two years, mostly to talk about doing nothing | [14:48] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field in any case the wisdom was to keep the taxes low and the government minimal, because large plantation owners know best what to do with resources. | [14:49] |
mircea_popescu | in a sense it was the HRE of the american continent. | [14:49] |
trinque | in previous conversations about the need for privilege it has occurred to me that tx seems to have this | [14:50] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: according to cash, it was rather because southern states ran extraction economy of soil and slave, but did not need the non-planter whites for anything - so left alone (as 'fremen', in 'dune') | [14:50] |
trinque | there are parts of cities you can't possibly live in without wealth | [14:50] |
trinque | with proper walls around them | [14:50] |
mircea_popescu | i can see it. | [14:50] |
mircea_popescu | bad move, too. idleness is the mother of devilness or how's that called. | [14:51] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: they did not even need to exterminate them to vacate space, because most of the soil was not cotton-grade. | [14:51] |
ascii_field | arbeit macht frei (tm) | [14:51] |
mircea_popescu | there's some contemporary records of "trying to get a cotton farm going", by people without the resoruces and without the intelligence to understand resources at all. | [14:52] |
mircea_popescu | reads a lot like the stories of the "web start-up culture" | [14:52] |
mats | its amusing there's an actual /r/badBIOS subreddit | [14:52] |
mircea_popescu | same "they're moving up and down on a patch of land ; we're moving up and down on a patch of land. what the hell's the difference!" | [14:52] |
ascii_field | mats: and it is all full of one particular species, yes | [14:53] |
trinque | I consider TX a highly redeemable part of the US | [14:53] |
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mircea_popescu | trinque san antonio was easily my favourite us town | [14:53] |
mircea_popescu | !up ascii_field | [14:53] |
-assbot- | You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. | [14:53] |
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trinque | great place | [14:53] |
trinque | Austin, mine | [14:53] |
ascii_field | mats: the kind of schizo that seems to live and breathe solely to discredit actual investigation into usg shenanigans | [14:53] |
ascii_field | i do not know if they grow naturally or have to be cultivated - but they serve this purpose. | [14:54] |
mats | readers of the log: badBIOS is a hoax, although the principle of the thing is entirely achievable | [14:54] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field do you think 50 shades of gray exists to discredit actual bdsm / harry potter exists to discredit actual fiction ? | [14:54] |
ascii_field | mats: see also 'piltdown man' | [14:54] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: nah those are more like 'kraft food' vs actual food | [14:55] |
ascii_field | buffetized extruded product. | [14:55] |
mircea_popescu | same thing here. | [14:55] |
mircea_popescu | in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps. | [14:55] |
ascii_field | let's peek back a few decades to the folks who were listening to cia broadcasts with their tooth amalgams | [14:56] |
trinque | somebody in the south needs to start screaming about anti-communism and they'd get far. | [14:56] |
ascii_field | the physical principle - is sound, demonstrated. | [14:56] |
trinque | average texans are not at all afraid of the idea of secession | [14:56] |
trinque | common conversation topic | [14:56] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field let's go over this soundness. | [14:57] |
trinque | and I don't mean this play-ball tea party thing | [14:57] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: rectifier | [14:57] |
mircea_popescu | so it is in principle possible to transform energy from state to state. | [14:57] |
mircea_popescu | now, seeing how vibration in the audible frequency for teeth has a calculable minimum, | [14:57] |
mircea_popescu | we can in fact calculate the power of the cia antenna required. correct ? | [14:57] |
ascii_field | postulate a distance | [14:58] |
mircea_popescu | right, for a postulated distance. | [14:58] |
mircea_popescu | "Ebay did grant my item not as described case. However, Ebay didn't acknowledge that an interdicted, tampered, infected and implanted device is an item not described. | [14:59] |
mircea_popescu | this is strictly correct. an item tampered with by the government is not, legally, an item distinct from an item not tampered with by the government. | [14:59] |
ascii_field | as a very small boy, i listened to a 'radio' consisted of a handset speaker from a busted telephone (circa 1940s?) and a diode (pulled out of ancient bobbin deck, also thrown out window by someone) | [14:59] |
mircea_popescu | this is exactly why government may not continue to exist. | [14:59] |
ascii_field | this was possible because su loved am radio | [14:59] |
mircea_popescu | but the diode was not made out of your dead dog. | [15:01] |
ascii_field | nope | [15:01] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, the "listening to cia" people do not plug speakers into their teeth. | [15:01] |
ascii_field | germanium diode | [15:01] |
ascii_field | people do not plug speakers into their teeth << bone conduction | [15:01] |
mircea_popescu | so... you know. yes "it's possible". however, doing it on dentine and lead... tough job. | [15:01] |
mircea_popescu | yes yes. just pointing out to you that while it is theoretically possible, it is improbable it ever was practically achieved either by accident or by hobbists. | [15:02] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, cold fusion is just as theoretically possible. | [15:02] |
ascii_field | !s palladium deuteride | [15:02] |
assbot | 1 results for 'palladium deuteride' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=palladium+deuteride | [15:02] |
mircea_popescu | so listen alf, i had an exceptional plate of deviled eggs last night... ate 18^H^H 19^H^H 27 of the suckers | [15:04] |
mircea_popescu | but you know... it kinda didn't sit well... so i let out this huge burp... and i think it all went into my cavity or something | [15:04] |
mircea_popescu | because i got cold fusion going! | [15:04] |
ascii_field | this is how 'fuck you i'm a dragon' probably began. | [15:05] |
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ascii_field | l0l | [15:05] |
mircea_popescu | myeah lol | [15:05] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnaw1-1fTg >> actually prolly better example. | [15:07] |
assbot | Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 3 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkxD4v ) | [15:07] |
mircea_popescu | "he's so dumb, he could throw himself on the ground and miss" | [15:07] |
mircea_popescu | "when she hauls ass, she gotta make two trips" | [15:07] |
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mircea_popescu | !up Asenath | [15:08] |
-assbot- | You voiced Asenath for 30 minutes. | [15:08] |
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mircea_popescu | heh. | [15:08] |
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trinque | mircea_popescu: my biz partner's dad has all kinds of them | [15:10] |
trinque | "does the pope shit in his hat?" | [15:10] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [15:10] |
trinque | "busier than a cat with two asses" << loads of variations on that one | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | see, but that's the sort of person that's worth getting drunk | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | "more worried than a cat in a roomfull of rocking chairs" | [15:11] |
trinque | ah shit his whole family's a hoot drunk | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | and what else is life all about i ask ye! | [15:11] |
trinque | not a damn thing | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | btw, you know how the pope hat thing came about ? | [15:12] |
ascii_field | https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/comments/2y8ufv/badbios_other_sources_emit_transcranial << typical | [15:12] |
assbot | BadBIOS & other sources emit Transcranial Ultrasound ('TUS') which down-regulates neural activity causing dead zombie brain : badBIOS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqsaEk ) | [15:12] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: hows that | [15:12] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field people are on reddit so as to be with other like minded people. it is a social function. what words they say... "world's best dad!" | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | trinque see, if you've ever seen if (1=1) in code you comprehend this literary device. "have you ever whipped a woman ?" "does the bear shit in the woods ?" | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | the ~other~ stock 1=1 answer being, "does the pope wear a funny hat" | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | as time went by, the two were merged into one, and so... | [15:13] |
ascii_field | 'does the pope shit in the woods' | [15:14] |
ascii_field | (tm) | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [15:14] |
trinque | oh yeah, of course | [15:14] |
ascii_field | (most common variant where i live) | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | yes, and napoleon has an infinite number of arms. | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | know that one ? | [15:14] |
ascii_field | aha | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | "she's so skinny she's gonna fall through her butt and hang herself" | [15:16] |
trinque | LOL | [15:16] |
mircea_popescu | "she could hoola hoop in a cheerio" | [15:17] |
trinque | can't even make fun of people in portland; how's anyone supposed to tell a joke | [15:17] |
mircea_popescu | !up Luke-Jr | [15:18] |
-assbot- | You voiced Luke-Jr for 30 minutes. | [15:18] |
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Luke-Jr | I just wanted to LOL at the convo with RockHoster earlier. I was going to say "the maintainer doesn't *need* to be unbiased", but then I saw https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User_talk:RockHoster | [15:18] |
assbot | User talk:RockHoster - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkz9U3 ) | [15:18] |
mircea_popescu | guy's got a boner for that page. | [15:19] |
Luke-Jr | yeah, I'm kinda surprised he didn't take williamdunne's offer | [15:21] |
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mircea_popescu | 5 btc ? sure, he could amortize $1000 in advertising expenses just as soon as the wiki gets twelve trillion pageviews or something. | [15:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 888 @ 0.00151173 = 1.3424 BTC [-] | [15:22] |
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davout | "So... You changed the name of your service so you could be on top of an obscure list? Taras (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)" <<< that's pretty SOP with locksmiths in the yellow pages | [15:24] |
trinque | AAA | [15:24] |
trinque | ABC | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | eh it was also standard with whores at some point | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | fuckin gridiculous everyone was amber angel and whatever | [15:25] |
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ben_vulpes | gringodiculous | [15:29] |
mircea_popescu | danielpbarron hey, ask fowler (https://twitter.com/WomenSouthern) if she wants to do a "shit southern women say about bitcoin" sponsored thing ? | [15:30] |
davout | here, everyone is "ABC Express Locksmith" | [15:33] |
mircea_popescu | Aardwark Locksmiths & Irony ? | [15:35] |
davout | :D | [15:36] |
davout | sounds like a cool job, get calls at night about lost keys, show up with a drill and a spare, bill $maxint | [15:36] |
mircea_popescu | maxint my foot. it's like $100 or so. | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | back when people could actually wake me up it was a lot more than that. | [15:37] |
davout | heh, guess you're right, happened to me back in the day, guess my brain at the time recorded 80€ as 'holy shit, lots of money' | [15:41] |
asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [15:41] |
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* | ascii_field pictures a sciencefiction story, set in the world of 'shall be delivered', about a fella who forgot a key and goes to a specialist who 'helps remember' | [15:43] |
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danielpbarron | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078941 << how to initially get fw_printenv to tell pogo to boot kernel over TFTP in the future? | [15:46] |
assbot | Logged on 29-03-2015 18:21:35; asciilifeform: ^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included. | [15:46] |
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danielpbarron | stock pogo does not come with this tool, but it does come with nandwrite, flash_erase, and flash_eraseall | [15:49] |
trinque | danielpbarron: one of the vars in there sets the boot order | [15:50] |
trinque | there was some command to dump out all vars | [15:50] |
trinque | should be able to spot it; the value of it names other vars iirc comma separated | [15:50] |
danielpbarron | those commands are available from within uBoot | [15:50] |
trinque | yeah | [15:51] |
danielpbarron | and can also be used from the OS, but they don't come standard with an unmodified pogo | [15:51] |
ascii_field | danielpbarron: on stock pogo you need fw_printenv (or serial cable) to get into uboot console | [15:51] |
ascii_field | simplest way is to get those utils on the stock os (sftp copy, or wget) and use. | [15:51] |
danielpbarron | yes, so what is the easiest way to get fw_printenv on a new unit ? just copy it over from workstation ? or is it easier to reflash with your own kernel using the stock nandwrite tool | [15:52] |
danielpbarron | ah | [15:52] |
trinque | I stuck a debian install on one of the attached drives as a workspace | [15:52] |
trinque | works pretty well | [15:52] |
danielpbarron | yeah that's what i'm ircing from | [15:53] |
danielpbarron | what is the easiest way to make your own fw_printenv ? is this something that come out of the same process that makes the kernel ? | [15:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00025601 = 7.0147 BTC [+] | [15:56] |
ascii_field | danielpbarron: all it does is dump/write the reserved 2nd half of mtd0 | [15:56] |
ascii_field | which contains config vars for uboot | [15:56] |
ascii_field | this in turn used kernel's nand driv. | [15:56] |
ascii_field | nothing high-tech | [15:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35964 @ 0.00026942 = 9.6894 BTC [+] | [16:03] |
davout | so i'm currently connected to the Pogo through SSH, pretty easy so far | [16:04] |
davout | not sure how one compiles U-Boot though | [16:04] |
davout | danielpbarron: ^ | [16:04] |
ascii_field | davout: 'buildroot' also builds uboot | [16:04] |
davout | ascii_field: ok, i should be able to get it from your binaries amirite | [16:06] |
davout | (starting with the 'simple' version of my guide) | [16:06] |
davout | meh, nvm, i'll do the full version first, and dumb it down afterwards | [16:07] |
davout | ascii_field: should i start straight with your v2 patches ? | [16:08] |
ascii_field | davout: they apply on top of v1 | [16:10] |
davout | aok, ty, sorry for my noobish questions! | [16:10] |
danielpbarron | seems as though the stock pogo is configured to look for a TFTP server without any modification -> bootcmd=bootp; setenv bootargs root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=${serverip}:${rootpath} ip=${ipaddr}:${serverip}:${gatewayip}:${netmask}:${hostname}::off; bootm | [16:11] |
ascii_field | danielpbarron: bootp ? | [16:12] |
* | ascii_field has no idea how to set up bootp, did not try this | [16:12] |
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danielpbarron | boot image via network using BOOTP/TFTP protocol | [16:12] |
danielpbarron | !up ascii_field | [16:12] |
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assbot | BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-] | [16:13] |
assbot | [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC) | [16:13] |
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mats | market doesn't look impressed by TSLA's "Powerwall" | [16:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00025601 = 3.7121 BTC [-] | [16:22] |
mats | yeah | [16:23] |
mats | i'm still strapped in, gonna reevaluate my position when they finally produce an electric utility truck | [16:24] |
mircea_popescu | why not a power plant. | [16:24] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think they stand a chance in europe, for teh record. | [16:25] |
mircea_popescu | for onbe thing, european cars don't suck. | [16:25] |
mircea_popescu | the us market was so bad even toyota could sell there. it hasn't improved since the 70s. | [16:25] |
mats | i can already imagine the advertisements -- | [16:25] |
mats | tesla truck and f-250 at the starting line on a track, both tethered to a stack of shipping containers | [16:26] |
mats | after the tesla driver wins, he plugs it in and fills the bed with pumps, chemicals, water... and heads off to a client's home for a carpet cleaning gig | [16:27] |
jurov | in the eu, would be fun to see people trying to use it with 2500w hair dryers and vacuum machines(especially these tend to make nasty power spikes) | [16:28] |
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mod6 | the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right? | [16:43] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00025531 = 8.4125 BTC [-] {2} | [16:43] |
asciilifeform | !up ascii_field | [16:43] |
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davout | danielpbarron: does that mean there could be a way to auto-setup pogos by plugging them to an ethernet cable and turning them on ? | [16:43] |
ascii_field | davout: yes, and i proposed this | [16:43] |
jurov | ascii_field: i was here, really nothing happened | [16:43] |
ascii_field | they oughta plug into one another, for 'breath of life' | [16:43] |
ascii_field | jurov: looking for mar. 27 | [16:44] |
ascii_field | might just be broken search | [16:44] |
davout | interdasting | [16:44] |
ascii_field | ok, log is intact | [16:45] |
ascii_field | search - does not work worth a damn. | [16:45] |
ascii_field | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075949 << application for that 'tesla' battery. | [16:45] |
assbot | Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg. | [16:45] |
BingoBoingo | [16:45] | |
ascii_field | ;;seen Chillum | [16:49] |
gribble | Chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: |
[16:49] |
kakobrekla | ascii_field i guess the search is out of sync | [16:50] |
kakobrekla | what happened to chillum? | [16:50] |
ascii_field | damned if i know | [16:50] |
kakobrekla | ;;later tell mthreat might want to resync the search? | [16:51] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [16:51] |
ascii_field | chillum 'was a chemist, but now he is no more; for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4.' or the like. | [16:52] |
ascii_field | who knows. | [16:52] |
Adlai | didn't that happen to the chemist's son? | [16:52] |
ascii_field | traditional rhyme | [16:52] |
danielpbarron | mod6> the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right? << http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/ | [16:54] |
assbot | Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMyUB9 ) | [16:54] |
mod6 | Thank you | [16:54] |
ascii_field | ^ the very same | [16:55] |
ascii_field | that was handed out at c3 | [16:55] |
mod6 | ok awesome, got one in my cart. | [16:56] |
mod6 | alrighty, ordered. thanks again. | [16:58] |
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mats | mike_c: some unexpected behavior with your web wot thing: when searching with the input 'Chillum', a corresponding drop-down option appears, and when i click 'View User', it directs me to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/', a 404. when I click the option in the drop-down combo box, I'm directed to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum', also a 404 | [17:28] |
mike_c | well that's odd. | [17:45] |
mike_c | oh ffs | [17:46] |
mike_c | is this shit case sensitive or not? | [17:47] |
mike_c | kakobrekla: are the usernames case sensitive? could there be a KAKObrekla and a kakobrekla? | [17:48] |
mike_c | !register mike_c | [17:49] |
assbot | Nick mike_c is already taken. | [17:49] |
mike_c | !register MIKE_c | [17:49] |
assbot | Nick mike_c is already taken. | [17:49] |
mike_c | nvmnd | [17:49] |
kakobrekla | !registers second parameter is keyid | [17:52] |
kakobrekla | but anyway, no. | [17:52] |
kakobrekla | second, and only parameter. | [17:52] |
kakobrekla | eh | [17:52] |
kakobrekla | first actually | [17:53] |
kakobrekla | cant be second and only | [17:53] |
kakobrekla | does not compute | [17:53] |
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MIKE_c | !register flub | [17:54] |
assbot | Nick MIKE_c is already taken. | [17:54] |
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mike_c | grazie | [17:54] |
mike_c | mats: thanks for the bug report. will be fixed soon. | [17:59] |
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BingoBoingo | https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/04/racism.png&w=1484 | [18:37] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2LcRC ) | [18:37] |
BingoBoingo | The northeast, most racist part of 'Murica | [18:37] |
BingoBoingo | Damn Yankees | [18:38] |
mircea_popescu | i thought it was going to be trilema | [18:38] |
mircea_popescu | for the record, saying nigger and racism are about as related as saying synergy and making a profit. | [18:39] |
BingoBoingo | Sure, but tis te Washington Post, what can you truly expect | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | ie, only the derpington post thinks so. | [18:39] |
mircea_popescu | right | [18:39] |
*bitstein* | PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :Do you handle trilema credits payments manually? | [18:42] |
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mircea_popescu | nude exercise of power, obviously. if fuctard gets you to not say a word, the reason doesn't matter. what matters is the fact that you're now doing what he's tellin' you to. | [18:42] |
mircea_popescu | kinda how the fetlife derps got all twisted about "rape". omagawd our consent was violated by other people using words without asking for permission!!1 | [18:43] |
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BingoBoingo | Right | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | so how about the washington post is no longer allowed to say the r word. | [18:44] |
mircea_popescu | or the d word, for that matter. | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | also the e word. are there more vulgar obscenities the libertards use ? | [18:45] |
mircea_popescu | r*cism, d*mocratic, eq*ality and i guess r*ights. shit there's two r words. | [18:46] |
trinque | "progress" | [18:46] |
mircea_popescu | they don't really say that anymore. even "progressive"'s gone down the drain | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | must suck to be one of those people, always stuck with a new word nest like a god damned cuckoo | [18:47] |
mircea_popescu | come to think of it, the bald eagle is an anachronism the cuckoo is the us symbol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Reed_warbler_cuckoo.jpg | [18:51] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NjVz ) | [18:51] |
cazalla | enough time has passed that you could show today's kids "tokyo breakfast" for the lulz | [18:51] |
cazalla | muh cultural adoption, muh racism | [18:52] |
BingoBoingo | Cuckoo seems apt nao | [18:53] |
trinque | cazalla: hadn't seen this, goddamn hilarious | [18:54] |
trinque | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjwjaBJ5Do | [18:54] |
assbot | Tokyo Breakfast - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJzno9 ) | [18:54] |
cazalla | yeah, it's fkn old now but ripe for passing off as new to the young ones | [18:55] |
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jurov | https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then? | [19:11] |
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mike_c | mats: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum/ | [20:55] |
assbot | Chillum WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXJPbJ ) | [20:55] |
mike_c | mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here's my problem. Sending my loyal customers to this page is a bad user experience. http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E | [20:57] |
assbot | Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXK6eE ) | [20:57] |
mike_c | maybe a very simple "not found" page? | [20:57] |
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mircea_popescu | mike_c i can see it. which is why i kept pushing for the processing. the idea being that we have ~2mn keys which asciilifeform is going to have the machine cut through like tonight. | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | so can you live with it for a matter of days ? | [21:42] |
mike_c | ah, so many fewer misses? yeah, there's no rush | [21:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00026215 = 10.6171 BTC [+] | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | ideally no misses, seeing how everyone in wot also had their key in the sks db | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | but there will be misses with newer keys. so what'd be the best approach for that ? | [21:43] |
mike_c | Ideally? It's a fingerprint search. So if it misses, I would have it search sks for the fingerprint and show a page asking if you'd like to add that key. | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | it should just directly add it if it finds it actually. | [21:44] |
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mike_c | alternatively, a simple 'fingerprint not found' would suffice | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | nah it should add it. | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | jurov i know she was engaged at some point... | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | "new york times and internationally bestselling author" | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | srsly ? who the fuck is kelly oxford. | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | oh i see. "i'm twitter famous!" "meaning ?" "not famous." | [21:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 850 @ 0.00151981 = 1.2918 BTC [+] {3} | [21:50] |
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cazalla | http://humanitariansoftinder.com/ | [22:01] |
assbot | Humanitarians of Tinder ... ( http://bit.ly/1zljaFi ) | [22:01] |
mircea_popescu | 2nd chick looks maybe fuckable. | [22:07] |
cazalla | !up deedbot- | [22:12] |
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cazalla | deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1B34798.txt | [22:12] |
deedbot- | accepted: 1 | [22:12] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1zlkisG ) | [22:12] |
mike_c | I overheard the other day that there was a dislike for newer versions of gpg. has anyone written up a blog post or something about why? | [22:22] |
mike_c | ;;later tell mats I fixed the bug and added a better 'user not found' page. thx again. | [22:23] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [22:23] |
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decimation | ;;later tell pete_dushenski minicom ought to work in osx. did you see this page? http://pbxbook.com/other/mac-tty.html | [22:29] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [22:29] |
assbot | Mac's and serial TTY's ... ( http://bit.ly/1bLNEWf ) | [22:29] |
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mircea_popescu | mike_c i don't trust the 2.x branch. dunno that there's a blogpost or anything | [22:29] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: did you see openbsd 5.7 has a new http server that supports cgi | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | i had not | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | i dont think i ever used cgi incidentally. | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | in other news, this is how "wordpress vulnerability day" looks like : | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | $ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "wp-login" | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | 39491 | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | $ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "58.96.27.42" | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | 6741 | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | $ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "62.75.229.18" | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | 32720 | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | that's the log for TODAY. 1MBps, for HOURS, with this crap. | [22:31] |
mircea_popescu | terrabytes worth. because trilema soft 404s, and the idiots have nfi how to script. | [22:32] |
decimation | lol | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | 62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27204 "-" "-" | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | 62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27234 "-" "-" | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | 62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27266 "-" "-" | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | etc etc etc | [22:32] |
decimation | are they all poking at that recent bug? | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | myeap | [22:32] |
mircea_popescu | and these have to be amateurs. there's just no way someone can afford to go through 30k 404s that each costs 20kb | [22:33] |
decimation | Your site is probably auto-targeted. I bet the bot herder's scripts rank websites | [22:33] |
mircea_popescu | this would be about as sensible as subsistence steppe hunters autotargetting whales. | [22:34] |
decimation | but they are making money while they sleep! | [22:34] |
mircea_popescu | certainly. | [22:34] |
mircea_popescu | note the split too : | [22:34] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 39491 / (32720+6741) | [22:35] |
gribble | 1.00076024429 | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | heh | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | so basically... two idiots. everyone else knows better. | [22:35] |
decimation | yeah and one is 5 times more idiotic | [22:35] |
decimation | by the way the openbsd httpd doesn't support cgi, it's fastcgi | [22:36] |
decimation | which is cgi-over-socket | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | i imagined | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | nobody stil ldoes plain cgi do they ? | [22:36] |
decimation | not really | [22:36] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, im kinda happy with this new server. | [22:44] |
mircea_popescu | doesn't seem to have minded it any. | [22:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00026198 = 20.1725 BTC [-] {2} | [22:46] |
asciilifeform | mike_c: here's my problem... mircea_popescu: mike_c i can see it... << working on it. or rather, will be, as soon as i finish writing my broadcast for april | [22:52] |
asciilifeform | and yes we can do something spiffy with not-founds | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform he has a good point tho, rather than 404, it should attempt to curl the keyservers and gobble. | [22:53] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [22:53] |
asciilifeform | but it is important to remember that 'keys' (in the customary sense) are indexed by the (garbage) hash of the -whole key- rather than fp - because it is actually subkeys that have fp's, rather than 'keys' (as in, what folks typically paste in) | [22:53] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41425 @ 0.00026215 = 10.8596 BTC [+] | [22:55] |
asciilifeform | it can't curl the keyserver from a nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/somethingorother 404 | [22:55] |
asciilifeform | because there is no physically possible way to determine what subkey ought to be asked from sks et al, for that particular pubkeyblock hash | [22:56] |
asciilifeform | thinkaboutit | [22:56] |
asciilifeform | for query -by fp- - yes, we could. | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | from the example he gave : http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E translates directly to http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFD5A63B9EAC2A55E | [22:56] |
assbot | Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hyTt ) | [22:56] |
assbot | Public Key Server -- Get "0xfd5a63b9eac2a55e " ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hyTx ) | [22:56] |
asciilifeform | ah i meant to say,gpgkey | [22:56] |
asciilifeform | gpgfp - yes, he is entirely correct | [22:57] |
asciilifeform | we could. | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | well it's all he wants. | [22:57] |
asciilifeform | originally i was very reluctant to auto-load anything from anywhere whatsoever | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | he hates dead forwards. like erryone on web | [22:57] |
asciilifeform | how about a simple 'we don't have it, but you can get it from .... ' ? | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | well, curl http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x$key | curl post to phcktor. | [22:58] |
assbot | Public Key Server -- Get "key 0x " ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hJ16 ) | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | nah this really should be automated. | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | specifically from ^ ? | [22:58] |
* | asciilifeform is ill at ease with dependency on non-wot folks | [22:58] |
decimation | asciilifeform: are you comfortable with pulling wot keys from non-wot keyserver? | [22:59] |
asciilifeform | decimation: not very. | [22:59] |
asciilifeform | decimation: in general, there really oughta be more out of band key exchange. | [23:00] |
decimation | the problem with the sks server is that it aggressively shares keys | [23:00] |
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decimation | with other servers of its kind | [23:00] |
asciilifeform | decimation: why is that a problem ? | [23:00] |
asciilifeform | they're fucking -public- keys | [23:00] |
decimation | well, then why have a problem from pulling a key off a turd in the street? | [23:01] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13488 @ 0.00025952 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {2} | [23:01] |
asciilifeform | decimation: i specifically have a problem with hardcoded url, etc. dependency on some random street animal. | [23:02] |
decimation | yeah, it's rather annoying to hit the keyserver dns 'carousel' | [23:02] |
asciilifeform | not that it matters, really, if sks lies about some random derp's key. it is a typical 'shakespeare's works were not written by shakespeare but by another man of the same name' non-problem. | [23:03] |
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asciilifeform | but as a matter of general principle - 'act from cause' (TM) - we oughta have self-contained infrastructure whenever practical. | [23:05] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform but these are being tested, not used | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | it makes sense to be sloppy. | [23:13] |
asciilifeform | from my point of view - yes, tested. from mike_c's www - they are wot data | [23:14] |
asciilifeform | and hence merit some care | [23:14] |
mircea_popescu | and note that while it makes sense ot have a b-a keyserver (and it's beinbg made), THAT item will do exactly the same curl stuff. | [23:14] |
mircea_popescu | cuz what else. | [23:14] |
asciilifeform | the only 'else' is meatspace/out-of-band shenanigans, yes. | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | myeah. | [23:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28015 @ 0.00026215 = 7.3441 BTC [+] | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | check it out, scoobot's dead o.O | [23:16] |
asciilifeform | rip, l0l | [23:16] |
mircea_popescu | what the hell is with that thing. am i fundamentally misunderstanding something here ? | [23:16] |
asciilifeform | why, i wonder, so hard | [23:16] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [23:16] |
asciilifeform | phuctor stayed up 534 days (since birth) until i moved it just this week | [23:16] |
mircea_popescu | i know | [23:17] |
asciilifeform | on a fucking aws | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | must be the cpanel. | [23:17] |
* | asciilifeform bewildered re: scoop | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | May 01 00:26:05 * scoopbot_revived has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) | [23:18] |
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mircea_popescu | in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/e183dfb308f3cc02a97edbdb644567fb/tumblr_n5y8em4FJv1rl9p9mo1_500.gif | [23:19] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBppWV ) | [23:19] |
asciilifeform | for the record, on aws it averaged out to approx. 1 usd / day. | [23:20] |
mircea_popescu | cuz of cpu ? | [23:20] |
asciilifeform | primarily. | [23:21] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.everyonesocial.com/ << this is actually one of the least stupid web start-ups. | [23:23] |
assbot | The #1 Employee Advocacy Platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBpBVW ) | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | the idea itself is dumb, fundamentally. actual employees would have other shit to do. | [23:23] |
asciilifeform | so how less stupid ? | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | but in practical terms, they're really not useful for anything else. | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | so it's duct tape, basically. | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i did say "web start-ups". | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | convert every payrolled monkey into a mlm sp4mz0r ? | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | yup | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | "while having fun!" | [23:24] |
asciilifeform | 'this sofa has six kinds of bedbug, let's burn it in the furnace' ? | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | more like "this is a restaurant, we cook rat here" | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | note : general mills, sap, united way etc. | [23:25] |
asciilifeform | ... amway. | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | nah united way is like ymca | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | which i found to my surprise at conference that still exists! | [23:26] |
decimation | yeah i live next to y | [23:28] |
decimation | it is just a gym now | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | [23:31] | |
mircea_popescu | (and so is bitcoin-otc.com's. these together make probably 90%+ of our inbound links atm) | [23:32] |
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decimation | !up gabridome | [23:34] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00026215 = 4.8629 BTC [+] | [23:37] |
* | asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all | [23:39] |
assbot | Culture & Empire ... ( http://bit.ly/1dBMDBk ) | [23:39] |
asciilifeform | the only quasi-reasonable part seems to be the one about 'extraction economy' | [23:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00026266 = 12.7915 BTC [+] {2} | [23:40] |
decimation | is it a ripoff of mancur olson? | [23:43] |
asciilifeform | decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1118004 | [23:43] |
assbot | Logged on 01-05-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires | [23:43] |
decimation | I don't see any updates on the openbsd octeon port | [23:48] |
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decimation | seems like this page indicates that the octeon sdk is under us export control, which kills the port http://www.bsdcan.org/2014/schedule/events/480.en.html | [23:56] |
assbot | BSDCan2014: Porting OpenBSD on the MIPS64-based Octeon Platforms ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQCRl6 ) | [23:56] |
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