Forum logs for 01 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116847 < I have a small collection of weimar paper [00:00]
assbot Logged on 30-04-2015 16:21:53; ascii_field: every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies [00:00]
decimation asciilifeform: http://lambda-diode.com/opinion/ecc-memory-2 < " Nevertheless, this means that when you buy a computer, you are playing "DIMM" (and motherboard) roulette . You have something like one chance in three to ten of getting a computer that will experience memory errors at the frightening frequencies (one every few days) that I talked about but attributed to cosmic rays, and that AMD talks about in their whitepaper . " [00:02]
assbot Updates on the need to use error-correcting memory [00:02]
decimation ^good link for "why ecc" n00bs [00:02]
asciilifeform the fact that so many folks appear to get away with using non-ecc ram is proof that almost nothing that is presently done using pc, actually matters [00:03]
decimation although it seems that the cosmic rays might not be the major/primary cause of issues [00:03]
asciilifeform and/or that defects therein are successfully buried in the microshit sewers [00:03]
decimation asciilifeform: I was looking for a non-golden-toilet laptop with ecc today [00:03]
decimation doesn't exist [00:03]
asciilifeform decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made [00:04]
asciilifeform rather than cosmic-anything [00:04]
decimation yeah that's the old-school explanation [00:04]
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decimation supposedly back when ram cells were larger (larger targets) the ram manufacturers took care to ensure that their cases were low alpha emitters [00:04]
decimation and also sealed the silicon in a layer of protective coating [00:05]
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decimation anyway, given how cheap and easy it is to use ecc ram, it does seem rather laughable that folks don't use [00:06]
asciilifeform http://www.electronics-related.com/showthread/sci.electronics.design/426906-2.php << related (2nd post from end) [00:07]
assbot sci.electronics.design | cellphone camera as radiation detector| page 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwuQp4 ) [00:07]
asciilifeform re: how, famously, semiconductor folks used to buy up medieval lead roofs from cathedrals, etc. to get low-rad material [00:08]
decimation there are some links to industry papers written mainly in the 70's-80's [00:08]
asciilifeform mention of xilinx is especially on the point because a bit-flip in fpga routing fabric is catastrophic [00:08]
asciilifeform almost without exception. [00:08]
decimation strangely no one even seems to think of this as being an issue anymore [00:08]
decimation heh yeah certainly would be [00:09]
asciilifeform it 'doesn't matter' because the 'people' sitting on the machines don't matter. [00:09]
asciilifeform you can take this to the bank. [00:09]
decimation certainly a strong argument [00:10]
asciilifeform also note that pb was forbidden [00:10]
asciilifeform (now we get tin whiskers, joy) [00:10]
asciilifeform again, because 'the result doesn't matter' is the secret thought. [00:10]
asciilifeform for machines that matter - usg jet fighters, etc. - not only pb but enviro-whiner 'atrocities' like halon are permitted. [00:11]
decimation yeah [00:11]
asciilifeform there is probably a tank of mortal baby seal tears in an f-22. etc [00:12]
decimation and 'big iron' servers have ecc, raid as standard features [00:12]
asciilifeform i consider a box without ecc and some level of redundant storage - a toy, not computer [00:13]
decimation I took a cpr class today, relatively simple AED electronics cost > $1k [00:13]
asciilifeform golden toilet. [00:14]
decimation partially for the liability, but partially also because the design is actually expected to work [00:14]
asciilifeform go price a 'medical grade' power supply. just ac-dc brick, any voltage. [00:14]
decimation heh yeah. same for anything on an aircraft [00:14]
asciilifeform it is a function of the expected net worth of the purchaser [00:15]
asciilifeform and has nothing whatsoever to do with physical internals [00:16]
decimation well, more like a function of the probability of being sued for arbitrary liability [00:17]
asciilifeform decimation: where did the 'breathalyzer' lawsuit go? [00:17]
asciilifeform magicked away. [00:17]
decimation for example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/03/14/why-you-shouldnt-sell-any-product-to-an-american-mu-2-crash-in-oklahoma/ [00:17]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Why you shouldn’t sell any product to an American (MU-2 crash in Oklahoma) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4V9qr ) [00:17]
decimation " for example. If we take the last five minutes of flight as critical due to the proximity to the ground, the lawsuit essentially says that it is more likely that a 1 in 756,000 probability event occurred (engine shutdown during a randomly selected five-minute block of operation time) than that a pilot with virtually no turbine experience or experience with the MU-2 crashed the notoriously tricky airplane through pilot error. " [00:18]
asciilifeform re: servers: it is interesting to consider what kind of reliability mechanics would be standard (like ecc is) if microshit and unix did not exist to make a gigantic software shitter in which to hide hardware flukes [00:18]
asciilifeform 'tandem' voting circuits, etc. would probably be SOP [00:18]
asciilifeform (if -any- failure could be reliably pinned on softs) [00:18]
asciilifeform hards, rather [00:19]
decimation actually, much more sophisticated techniques exist [00:19]
decimation somehow hard drives are allowed to have their own computers, so they implement advanced ldpc codes [00:19]
asciilifeform all such techniques are fundamentally and provably variations on same theme [00:19]
decimation sure. somehow ram didn't escape the reach of the microshit von neumann machine, but hard disk did [00:20]
asciilifeform (or scams, of course. no shortage of this) [00:20]
asciilifeform hard disk is running turdware since when, '04 ? [00:20]
asciilifeform there are known bugs in hdd firmware [00:20]
asciilifeform (not even speaking of satanic influence here) [00:20]
decimation sure, but it's not directly visible, unlike cpu/ram interface [00:20]
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asciilifeform quite visible when they drop out of a raid for no discernible reason [00:21]
asciilifeform and then happily pop back in [00:21]
decimation heh yeah raid controllers are their own world if crazy too [00:21]
decimation does there exist a completely open firmware for a raid controller? [00:23]
asciilifeform not afaik. [00:23]
decimation yeah I've never hear of it either [00:23]
asciilifeform nor is any raid chipset, afaik, documented to anything like the necessary level. [00:24]
asciilifeform (go put one through disasm, if you can figure out the architecture. it's a morass of magical values being written to magical registers for magical reasons) [00:24]
asciilifeform ditto nics, gpu, etc. [00:25]
asciilifeform the whole shit soup. [00:25]
asciilifeform but i think this is, at this point, known to virtually everyone. [00:26]
decimation and also try moving the drives from one controller to another (even same make and model) [00:26]
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asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/nyc-police.htm << mega-l0l [00:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4XzFw ) [00:31]
decimation they hardly look like baltimore residents [00:32]
asciilifeform new york [00:33]
asciilifeform 'solidarity' [00:33]
decimation lol [00:33]
asciilifeform speaking of 'cryptome', [00:34]
asciilifeform the whole snowden thing seems to have been quietly multiplied by 0, and nobody noticed. [00:34]
decimation asciilifeform: apparently the story was suddenly uninteresting [00:34]
asciilifeform certainly uninteresting, when no new papers [00:35]
decimation the interesting point will be to see if anyone even mentions it in the presidential campaign [00:36]
asciilifeform they can mention what they want: [00:36]
asciilifeform j. carter promised to 'reveal' aliens at 'area-51' in his campaign. [00:36]
asciilifeform !s if you ask again there will be problems [00:37]
assbot 1 results for 'if you ask again there will be problems' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+ask+again+there+will+be+problems [00:37]
asciilifeform ^ the legend [00:37]
BingoBoingo If I recall Clitler in the 1990's promised to press her husband to do similar [00:37]
decimation http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/baltimore-riots.html?_r=1 < more lol "Near the burned-out CVS, Robert Wilson, a college student who went to high school in Baltimore, said: “With the riots, we’re not trying to act like animals or thugs. We’re just angry at the surroundings, like this is all that is given to us, and we’re tired of this, like nobody wants to wake up and see broken-down buildings. They take away the [00:38]
decimation community centers, they take away our fathers, and now we have traffic lights that don’t work, we have houses that are crumbling, falling down.”" [00:38]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EV1EdD ) [00:38]
asciilifeform decimation: this specific idiocy was articulated as early as 1952 in ellison's 'invisible man' [00:39]
decimation "this is all that is given to us" [00:39]
asciilifeform in, iirc (school was long ago) specifically these wordfs [00:39]
asciilifeform *words [00:39]
asciilifeform to chimp (of whatever colour upholstery) his surroundings merely 'happen' to him, they are 'given', yes. [00:40]
asciilifeform or 'taken away' [00:41]
decimation and apparently any unwanted changes can easily be explained by the evil conspiracy of 'they' [00:41]
asciilifeform t. dalrymple (see logs) had many wonderful stories of his patients (he was a prison shrink for some years) who saw police, judges, etc. as malevolent martians persecuting them 'for no reason at all' [00:44]
decimation this is a common failure mode even for folks outside jail [00:45]
decimation of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure [00:45]
BingoBoingo decimation: In East St Louis there are Stop Signs mounted to the traffic control lights [00:45]
asciilifeform decimation: paranoia is not really the magic here, in most cases - more like standard narcissism as painted by tlp [00:46]
decimation yeah, good point [00:46]
decimation BingoBoingo: is there even much traffic there? [00:46]
BingoBoingo decimation: lots [00:47]
asciilifeform 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen [00:47]
decimation http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the other hand, the cops are out there [00:48]
decimation putting their lives on the line to save their city." [00:48]
assbot Baltimore Cop in the Hood « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q50xKe ) [00:48]
decimation BingoBoingo: apparently the wise masters who run east st. louis have better things upon which to spend their tax dollars/bonds/whatever [00:48]
decimation couple $10k for a traffic light just doesn't rate [00:49]
asciilifeform 'A former Baltimore cop explains things: ... The same idiots who burned shit down Monday, they’re gonna be there today and tomorrow. The cops are always dealing with them, whether they’re burning things down or not. They’re always there.' [00:49]
asciilifeform ^ betcha many of these cops would -love- to close a perimeter around these snakepits and shoot everything that moves, for sport. [00:50]
decimation sure [00:50]
asciilifeform the folks currently preventing them from acting on this desire - are the actual rulers. [00:50]
decimation "We tell them to do the best they can, and then when an individual cop messes up, everybody blames the police. And cops feel strangely victimized by this system — they’re put in the middle and used as political tools." [00:50]
asciilifeform we will know when usg falls, when this magical barrier disappears. [00:50]
decimation asciilifeform: quite so, high level civil servants, press, etc [00:50]
asciilifeform decimation: nah. the federal gendarmerie [00:50]
decimation ^warning to people who want to enter the us police chumpatron [00:51]
decimation asciilifeform: what composes the 'federal gendarmerie'? fbi? [00:53]
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decimation heh http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/04/30/american-optimism-on-parade-at-the-fed/ [01:15]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » American optimism on parade at the Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q55pPk ) [01:15]
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mircea_popescu prolly going to be an endless parade as we enter into the last phase. buffett started it. [01:56]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117518 << this. people have nfi what level of radiation counts as "background". if cosmic rays were as energetic as you know, actual matter ? we'd have serious problems. and some pretty kickass satellites. [01:57]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 02:58:55; asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made [01:57]
mircea_popescu cosmic ray powered space excavators and steamrollers. [01:57]
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mircea_popescu decimation : all it takes is for the entire "law enforcement" thing to be broken once. its own manzikert moment. [02:00]
mircea_popescu "On the optimism bias, while I’ve known that these numbers have been consistently too optimistic, I always assumed that the senior leadership of the fed had access to the real data, and the numbers put out for the public were heavily, well, decorated." [02:02]
mircea_popescu apparently the double accounting thing is obvious by now. [02:02]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117574 << shit, i've seen .jar based raid controllers. HARDWARE raid controllers. [02:15]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 03:18:35; asciilifeform: not afaik. [02:15]
mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/pict13.jpg << wtf is this zulu bullshit ? [02:19]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117611 << it'd help a lot if it simply abstained from getting in the way. [02:24]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 03:40:37; decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure [02:24]
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mircea_popescu that's perhaps the true subtext there. "they told me not to grab womyn butt. okay, i don't. they told me not to hunt deer off the highway. ok, i don't. they told me not to make fire indoors. alright. and i don't smoke either, and apparently coke is bad. i liked coke but whatever. [02:25]
mircea_popescu HOWEVER they also promised all sorts of shit. in exchange. where is it ?" [02:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117617 << yes. most of the us, like most of mongolia, like poor india, is specifically bad because bad climate, horrible buildings, vastly misused concrete, steel, etc. [02:26]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 03:42:41; asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen [02:26]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117618 << this is the africa problem. [02:26]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 03:43:02; decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” [02:26]
mircea_popescu africa doesn't suck because "black people suck". africa sucks because africa is the people who were left behind. [02:27]
mircea_popescu the people left behind always suck. [02:27]
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mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcQSLJHpwCA [02:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00026942 = 5.9811 BTC [+] [11:25]
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RockHoster_ any admin [11:49]
RockHoster_ ?? [11:49]
mircea_popescu 'sthematter ? [11:50]
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RockHoster_ https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_VPS_providers [11:50]
assbot Comparison of VPS providers - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivx8Xk ) [11:50]
RockHoster_ I want to discuss about this page. [11:50]
mircea_popescu ok ? [11:50]
RockHoster_ Are you admin ? [11:51]
williamdunne We can be [11:51]
williamdunne Its a wiki page [11:51]
RockHoster_ WHy is it removed [11:51]
mircea_popescu admin of what ? bitcoin ? the wiki you linked ? the dns system ? [11:51]
RockHoster_ ?? [11:51]
mircea_popescu gotta be specific. [11:51]
RockHoster_ moderator of bitcoin.it [11:51]
williamdunne This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference. [11:51]
williamdunne 13:56, 5 April 2015 Taras (Talk | contribs) deleted page Comparison of VPS providers (content was: "{{PfD|Nobody is willing to frequently update it. It's completely useless and misleading.}} {{outdated}} VPS price comparison. Cheapest plans are shown. Based on list of providers that accept...") [11:51]
mircea_popescu if i recall, Luke-Jr was admining that thing [11:52]
RockHoster_ Is it possible to remake this page ?? [11:52]
williamdunne Yes, its a wiki [11:52]
williamdunne I'll do it for you if you'd like for a price [11:52]
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RockHoster_ What price ? [11:53]
mircea_popescu williamdunne afaik they restricted new accounts because nobody was giving a shit and there was too much spam [11:53]
williamdunne And a monthly maintaining price ofc to keep it up to date [11:53]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: I have an account already [11:53]
RockHoster_ I also have a account with editing rights [11:53]
williamdunne RockHoster_: 4 BTC initial, 1 BTC per/month after that to keep it up to date [11:53]
williamdunne You can't edit it though or it would be shilling [11:53]
mircea_popescu o look at that, 50 changes this month. including tonal. [11:54]
mats i loled [11:54]
williamdunne If its worth enough for you to come here, the price should be worth it. Not surprised that it drove a fair bit of traffic [11:54]
RockHoster_ Why was this deleted ? [11:54]
mircea_popescu who's taras anyway [11:54]
williamdunne Because no one was keeping it up to date [11:54]
williamdunne Apparently people like being paid for work [11:55]
mircea_popescu williamdunne the two propositions are contradictory neh ? [11:55]
RockHoster_ I can keep it up to date [11:55]
williamdunne RockHoster_: You don't qualify as a neutral source [11:55]
mats http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-01/gold-manipulator-busted-after-zero-hedge-report-hft-gold-spoofing [11:55]
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RockHoster_ I stay online for more than 8 hours daily [11:55]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Yeah, true. Although this page is a particularly awkward one to upkeep [11:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, RockHoster_ : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop [11:56]
williamdunne RockHoster_: Doesn't change your neutrality [11:56]
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RockHoster_ So I can't moderate page [11:57]
williamdunne No [11:57]
RockHoster_ What can I do if I want to be moderator of that page ? [11:58]
mircea_popescu mats twist : he was manipulating it UP [11:58]
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williamdunne RockHoster_: You can't, because you're not neutral. You need someone to do it for you [11:58]
williamdunne Not a hard concept [11:58]
williamdunne And they can't be biased towards you ofc [11:58]
mircea_popescu the weird wales has wrounght on the interwebs. [11:59]
mircea_popescu RockHoster_ were you one of the participants in the "fight to be on the top" ? [11:59]
RockHoster_ Seriously I don't have 1 BTC to pay somebody [11:59]
RockHoster_ to manage [11:59]
williamdunne Well then don't, I offered my personal price. Take it or leave it [11:59]
williamdunne And its 4 BTC upfront, then 1 per month after that [12:00]
RockHoster_ How can I trust you ? [12:00]
mircea_popescu RockHoster_ looky here : the REASON you don't have 1 btc to throw away is that you're spedning your time trying to manipulate an obscure wiki nobody gives a shit about. [12:00]
williamdunne !gettrust williamdunne [12:00]
assbot Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user williamdunne: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/ [12:00]
mircea_popescu stop wasting your time, do something useful, you'll have plenty o' money eventually. [12:00]
williamdunne RockHoster_: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/ [12:00]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e655795aa8cfab5ea7bde62c9aa0e2e9/tumblr_mhrf3nPRgN1r21xm5o1_1280.jpg [12:01]
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RockHoster_ What benefit will I get ?? [12:01]
RockHoster_ I shhould say [12:01]
RockHoster_ special benefit [12:01]
RockHoster_ If I pay you 1 BTC ?? [12:01]
williamdunne RockHoster_: You'll be on the list, you get no "special" benefit. I can't be biased towards you I will be neutral [12:01]
mircea_popescu sigh [12:01]
mircea_popescu !down RockHoster_ [12:01]
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davout mircea_popescu: ty [12:01]
mircea_popescu this world an' teh people in it... [12:02]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne how the fuck are you going to make a neutral list of "vps hosters" anyway. [12:02]
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mircea_popescu might as well sort seashells by size. [12:02]
williamdunne Google a bunch of them, put their location and offerings on the list [12:02]
mircea_popescu a) they're all the same size and b) every tide washes more in. [12:03]
mircea_popescu i was under the impression "vps hosting" is the new "unlimited shared hosting" thing of the 2000s. [12:03]
williamdunne Before I think it was data allowance, price, location and if they allow tor or not [12:04]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [12:11]
gribble Current Blocks: 354509 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 306 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [12:11]
mircea_popescu dat none... [12:11]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117664 << i'd love nothing more than to disrupt their economy to the point they're left begging on street corners. [12:12]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 09:35:48; chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame [12:12]
mircea_popescu it's slow going. [12:12]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117673 << it's funny tho, all the fraudulent pretense. "oh, a guy we never met is a founding director, because we wish to have the implication of legitimacy that would offer. next we make george washington founding director, and edit his wikipedia to say he founded the us and our turd" [12:14]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 10:10:47; jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first [12:14]
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mircea_popescu davout Pierre_Rochard iirc danielpbarron has a write-up somewhere. [12:14]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117344 << always has been, always will be. [12:18]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 00:53:04; mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ? [12:18]
pete_dushenski despite the practical limitations, it's still cool to be ginormous. [12:19]
pete_dushenski sorta like that louis ck bit about young black comics just being way, way fucking cooler than he could ever be [12:20]
mats http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-24/why-nav-sarao-had-be-destroyed-he-found-way-beat-hfts-their-own-game also good zh [12:22]
assbot Why Nav Sarao Had To Be Destroyed: He Found A Way To Beat The HFTs At Their Own Game | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvCSAi ) [12:22]
pete_dushenski !s edgerouter [12:26]
assbot 19 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter [12:26]
pete_dushenski ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/ [12:26]
assbot FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite [12:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00026836 = 21.5896 BTC [+] {2} [12:26]
pete_dushenski or using serial comm software other than minicom ?? [12:27]
Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: install instructions relating to my accounting software, not pogo/bitcoin [12:28]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell decimation did you set up your edgerouter in osx ? if so, did you also have issues with minicom ? [12:29]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:29]
* pete_dushenski will be using ubuntu in next edgerouter set-up attempt. [12:31]
pete_dushenski goddam you osx ! [12:31]
mats why ubuntu? [12:32]
pete_dushenski why not ? [12:32]
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danielpbarron !s nigbuntu [12:35]
assbot 12 results for 'nigbuntu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nigbuntu [12:35]
mats i've rarely had a good experience with ubuntu [12:36]
pete_dushenski mats: but not never ! [12:38]
mats basically, at work my team has a "you break it, we fix it" policy [12:38]
pete_dushenski i'm just trying to set up this edgerouter with freebsd. nothing else. [12:38]
mats i spend a non trivial amount of time debugging ubuntu desktops whenever people break it [12:38]
mats its hellish, man [12:38]
mats this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers [12:39]
pete_dushenski serves him right ? [12:40]
pete_dushenski wtf does anyone seriously need bluetooth for, talking while driving ? [12:41]
pete_dushenski 'wireless' speakers [12:41]
mats i never figured out why, but the kernel seemed convinced there was a hardware switch thrown someplace [12:41]
* mats needs to read the linux kernel [12:41]
danielpbarron pete_dushenski, oh you mean use ubuntu on the machine from which you are connecting to the edgerouter/ [12:42]
mats he had wireless headphones he wanted to use at his desk [12:42]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: that, yes. [12:42]
pete_dushenski mats: i don't see the appeal of wireless headphones, mostly because they're another thing to charge with another cable [12:42]
danielpbarron not so bad; i used ubuntu to do that with pogo for my first attempted after soldering the serial thing onto it [12:43]
pete_dushenski more battery management, which is what 'modern lyf' seems to reduce to. [12:43]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: i figure it's worth a shot seeing as how i'm at a bit of a dead end with osx [12:43]
danielpbarron you should better learn gentoo or something though [12:43]
danielpbarron it's just a matter of opening a serial console or whatever? [12:44]
ben_vulpes gentoo quest! [12:44]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: gentoo quest [12:44]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: that's where i'm at, yes. serial comm software 'minicom' doesn't want to work. [12:45]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: this *will* happen. [12:45]
danielpbarron can you try to use screen instead? [12:45]
danielpbarron idk if screen has a port for os x [12:46]
mats i like the idea of wireless headphones but the bluetooth stack is horribly damaged [12:46]
danielpbarron i'm reading the thing you pasted, and the instructions are very similar to adulterating a pogo [12:47]
pete_dushenski http://screen-osx.sourceforge.net/ ?? [12:47]
assbot SourceForge.net: Screen-OSX - Project Web Hosting - Open Source Software [12:47]
mats Fun fact: the BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) spec provides three key exchange mechanisms, two of the three which do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection [12:47]
mats so... given that the out of band key exchange is the most difficult to implement, that's effectively a selective backdoor. [12:47]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: forgive my late arrival to the thread, but why are we talking about screen on os x? [12:48]
pete_dushenski as an alternative to minicom for serial communication between desktop and edgerouter [12:48]
ben_vulpes aha [12:48]
mats another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping. [12:49]
ben_vulpes sounds annoying and complicated [12:49]
pete_dushenski setting up the edgerouter with freebsd is proving to be exactly that! [12:49]
pete_dushenski but i shan't give in just yet. [12:49]
danielpbarron does your serial adapter show up in /dev/ ? [12:49]
danielpbarron because that's the most annoying part really [12:50]
ben_vulpes ah yeah, but that's annoying and complicated with a future, unlike your current "dead end" [12:50]
ben_vulpes anyways don't let me distract you :P [12:50]
pete_dushenski heh [12:50]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: good question... [12:51]
danielpbarron "A collection of scripts that work together to manage multiple invocations of GNU Screen to overcome some of its limitations on Mac OS X." [12:51]
danielpbarron for me, serial adapter is only accessible as root, although i think i read somewhere there are things you can do to make it work for other users [12:53]
danielpbarron and that thing i just quoted makes it sound like screen is already on OS X; try typing screen --version in your terminal [12:53]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: just checked. /dev/cu.usbserial shows up. [12:54]
pete_dushenski 'Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06' [12:54]
danielpbarron once you have screen, it's as easy as typing screen /dev/cu.usbserial 115200 [12:54]
danielpbarron 115200 is the baud rate [12:55]
pete_dushenski tried. 'no such file or directory' [12:55]
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danielpbarron for me, the serial adapter is numbered [12:56]
danielpbarron like /dev/ttyUSB0 [12:56]
danielpbarron i'm surprised it says the file doesn't exist when you say you saw it in /dev/ [12:57]
pete_dushenski i'm as confused as anyone ! [12:58]
danielpbarron if you do wind up using ubuntu, the live cd is suitable ; you can even "install" screen to the temporary system without actually writing to your hard drive [13:01]
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pete_dushenski okie dokie, pete the n00b might've just isolated the issue... [13:12]
pete_dushenski instead of establishing a serial connection with 'edgeos' first, i installed freebsd on the usb drive first [13:12]
pete_dushenski so unconfigured freebsd has no way of talking to minicom or anything else. it's just a file on a drive. [13:13]
pete_dushenski a fucktard is me. [13:13]
pete_dushenski now to see if i can re-install edgeos and start over :) [13:13]
davout danielpbarron: so, do you have instructions on how to set up the pogo? does it necessarily imply soldering wizardry? [13:15]
ben_vulpes davout: danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt [13:16]
davout ben_vulpes: ty [13:17]
davout hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything [13:19]
davout maybe i misunderstood something [13:19]
danielpbarron no soldering necessary [13:29]
davout haha, ok nice, guess i'm going to put the pogo back together then :-) [13:30]
danielpbarron as long as you don't botch the re-flash, it should be possible to do everything over ethernet [13:30]
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davout ok, sounds much better wrt industrializing their setup [13:32]
davout so the first thing i should do is try to access it through SSH, and work from there, right? [13:34]
danielpbarron yes [13:37]
danielpbarron the thing has a built in method for turning on ssh without any extreme modifications, and from there you can do all else [13:37]
davout yeah, the curl bit if i understand correctly [13:38]
pete_dushenski lulz. $lnkd -25% on the week. go social media go ! [13:40]
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BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [13:52]
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BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitgo-files-multisig-patent-application-joining-other-bitcoin-patent-parasites/ [13:53]
assbot BitGo Files MultiSig Patent Application Joining Other Bitcoin Patent Parasites | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1KA9ech ) [13:53]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117786 << i did [13:53]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 15:21:39; pete_dushenski: ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/ [13:53]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117789 << again, did [13:53]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 15:22:10; pete_dushenski: or using serial comm software other than minicom ?? [13:53]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117867 << not only this, but can reflash without any physical parts at all, from stock os [13:55]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 16:14:34; davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything [13:55]
ascii_field or even enable tftp and use experimental os (e.g., mine) without reflashing at all [13:56]
ascii_field and without swapping physical sticks [13:56]
pete_dushenski ascii_field: what serial comm software did you use ? [13:57]
davout ascii_field: so what's the simplest way of doing it? [13:57]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: 'screen' [13:59]
ascii_field https://www.gnu.org/software/screen [13:59]
assbot GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1EISsXN ) [13:59]
ascii_field davout: doing what ? [14:00]
pete_dushenski ascii_field: aha. cheers. [14:00]
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davout ascii_field: i have the physical pogos you gave me, an ethernet cable, a power adapter, an internet connection, a few usb sticks, a working debian, and a 120gb sata disk that fits in the pogo. what's the easiest way to set it up as a bitcoin node [14:01]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117806 << sounds EXACTLY like windowsuntu. [14:02]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 15:34:28; mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers [14:02]
ascii_field davout: folow danielpbarron's instructions [14:02]
ascii_field davout: be aware that we don't have a battlefield-ready 0.5.3.x as of yet. [14:02]
danielpbarron i'm rewriting some stuff now, adding to wiki [14:03]
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danielpbarron on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync [14:04]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117836 << coincidentally, the coincidental coincidences coincide. [14:04]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 15:44:09; mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping. [14:04]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: did the ssd make it ? [14:04]
danielpbarron at least, not running on ArchLinux; perhaps with optimizations it could catch up [14:04]
ascii_field on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync << i spoke of this briefly at c3. the almost deadly-certain explanation is that there is no ram to spare for the customary disk cache [14:04]
ascii_field so pogo node lives or dies by the actual speed of the drive. [14:05]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field actually... a disk cache wouldn't need to be much larger than what, 1mb ? [14:05]
danielpbarron comes as no surprise to me; that's exactly the bottle neck i ran into when first getting into running a node [14:05]
mircea_popescu maybe reiserfs would fix it. [14:05]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it is normally a readahead cache [14:05]
ascii_field so needs to be 16-64MB at min. [14:05]
danielpbarron pete_dushenski, my SSD one is still going and I have no reason to suspect it won't eventually sync [14:06]
danielpbarron currently at height=339674 [14:06]
mircea_popescu almost there danielpbarron [14:06]
pete_dushenski excellent. [14:06]
danielpbarron the 5400 rpm one with an up-to-date data dir copied in goes just fast enough to stay about 200 blocks behind the rest of the network at all times; perhaps slowly losing ground [14:07]
ascii_field http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << see also. [14:07]
assbot Experiments and fun with the Linux disk cache ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITva3 ) [14:07]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron nuts. [14:07]
ascii_field ^ the down side of how 'unobtrusive' disk cache is implemented on linux is that if ram is 'redlined' to the hilt, there is - approximately - no disk caching at all. [14:08]
mircea_popescu so basically... current blocks are just big enough to interdict 5400 rpm [14:08]
davout danielpbarron: in your docs, 2.2.2 refer to building a kernel for the workstation talking to the pogo, not building a kernel for the pogo itself, or am i heavily confused? [14:08]
davout (referring to http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt) [14:08]
mats http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/01/us-goldman-sachs-aleynikov-verdict-idUSKBN0NM43V20150501 [14:08]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1EITNxL ) [14:08]
assbot NY jury finds ex-Goldman programer Aleynikov guilty of code theft [14:08]
danielpbarron davout, yeah that's why i'm rewriting; it's about the workstation connecting to pogo [14:08]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: with leaky 0.5.3, and on box with 128m, yes [14:08]
danielpbarron davout, only necessary if your doing the serial connection soldering thing [14:08]
mircea_popescu ascii_field no, "5400 rpm, no caching" [14:09]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: aha [14:09]
danielpbarron all you need is to install some sort of TFTP server on your workstation, and use the built in flashing tools of pogo to set some parameters to connect to your workstation when it boots [14:09]
mircea_popescu so basically, "5400 rpm" [14:10]
ascii_field 'A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich.' [14:10]
mircea_popescu "The conviction came two days after the judge overseeing the case removed two jurors after a conflict between the two marred deliberations. [14:10]
mircea_popescu The judge said on Wednesday that letting 10 jurors proceed, not 12, amounted to "uncharted territory," but Marino said that his client agreed to the smaller jury." [14:10]
davout danielpbarron: which i'm not (doing the serial thing), so it's not very clear to me how to build the kernel and software that'll actually run on the pogo once it's ready [14:10]
mircea_popescu herp. [14:10]
danielpbarron davout, i'm not aware of how to do that; i've only ever used ascii's pre-built kernels i think [14:11]
mircea_popescu ascii_field "jury of your peers" in the us = "the mentally ill" [14:11]
* ascii_field has seen it alive [14:11]
ascii_field davout, danielpbarron: to build kernel, see my instructions on the listserv [14:11]
Adlai "A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich." [14:12]
danielpbarron my documentation needs massive overhaul lol [14:12]
ascii_field http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html [14:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIUoiS ) [14:12]
Adlai oh ascii_field just pasted this. nvm [14:12]
davout danielpbarron ascii_field ah i see, i wasn't aware that alf had a pre-built kernel that's to be used, i'll work from there, also i'll document everything I do, so maybe you won't need to spend time updating your docs [14:15]
ascii_field davout: it isn't meant to be fired in anger [14:16]
ascii_field please build own kernel [14:16]
mats https://www.udacity.com/course/advanced-operating-systems--ud189 this is pretty good [14:16]
assbot Advanced Operating Systems - Udacity ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIV9sq ) [14:16]
ascii_field i certainly have no intention of distributing bins every time we path [14:16]
ascii_field *patch [14:16]
davout ascii_field: my mission is to idiot-proof the process :D [14:16]
davout but i guess it can also be fun to do the whole thing, maybe i'll end-up with two sets of docs the "advanced" version and the "i just want this goddamn thing running" version [14:17]
mircea_popescu davout good idea. [14:19]
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davout i think both are required, one for the folks who want to inspect, audit or otherwise fuck with the device, and one to turn a crate of stock pogos into node as fast as possible [14:20]
mircea_popescu especially the "document everything i do" part. [14:21]
mircea_popescu the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine [14:21]
mircea_popescu and an actual software environment is exactly that : a. people doing jobs 100% and b) documenting this process 100%. [14:22]
ascii_field world's best smith cannot mold bullet from shit. [14:22]
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Adlai !up ascii_field [14:22]
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ascii_field no matter how documented. [14:22]
mircea_popescu and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree. [14:22]
mircea_popescu with a dull spork. [14:23]
mircea_popescu ascii_field the only shit here is in the heads of, again, every white us male with a college degree. [14:23]
mircea_popescu from paul graham to the rackhoster derp above. [14:24]
pete_dushenski i'll definitely be documenting my edgerouter rampage. [14:24]
mircea_popescu even basic would work, if not for them. [14:24]
mircea_popescu (which is what ada is, after all) [14:24]
ascii_field the tech stack is rotten all the way down. [14:25]
mircea_popescu yes. from the fontanelle to the spine. [14:25]
ascii_field (don't take my word for it, it is quite apparent) [14:25]
ascii_field but mircea_popescu has a point, in that it is necessary to kill the mice before cleaning up their shit - otherwise it is a waste of time, there will be infinite shit [14:26]
trinque mircea_popescu | and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree. << heh, my balls are safe then [14:26]
mircea_popescu moreover, once the mice are killed, the shit self-cleans. [14:27]
ascii_field self-cleans ? [14:27]
ascii_field how ?! [14:27]
mircea_popescu well, turns into earth. [14:27]
mircea_popescu you consider a meadow "clean" or "dirty" ? [14:27]
ascii_field poor analogy. usians still can't rid themselves of 120v [14:28]
mircea_popescu yes. but the world IS. [14:28]
Adlai somehow the streets of tel aviv are still paved with cement, beneath the dog shit [14:28]
mircea_popescu because by now what the usians do is slightly more relevant than what the mongols do. [14:28]
mircea_popescu a slightly greater, slightly more relatively advanced empire, slightly longer ago. [14:29]
ascii_field http://www.np.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/2t4557/paypals_investigation_of_laptop_purchased_on_ebay << schizo gold [14:30]
assbot PayPal's investigation of laptop purchased on eBay that was interdicted, infected and implanted : privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIXqnl ) [14:30]
mircea_popescu ascii_field more on point : consider how much of the windows turdball self-cleanned by simply making gpg required for voice here. [14:31]
mircea_popescu "oh, can't get in". "well... so from the other perspective... you no longer exist ?" [14:32]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: this cleaned people, not tech [14:32]
mircea_popescu right. [14:32]
mircea_popescu people and their productions. [14:32]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "Earlier this year Chin-hao Hu and Pai-tsung Hsu over the process of generating a Bitcoin transaction offline for which they would assign "Intellectual Property" rights to themselves." << missing verb ? [14:37]
BingoBoingo fxd [14:38]
mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2015/04/tsinghua-university-creates-a-digital-assets-research-initiative/#comment-20712 << who's this guy anyway [14:39]
assbot Tsinghua University Creates a "Digital Assets Research Initiative" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqlN3X ) [14:39]
mircea_popescu ascii_field is he the ninjashoo / [14:39]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: 'sapien' ? [14:40]
mircea_popescu yeh [14:40]
ascii_field it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires [14:40]
ascii_field how can i know, is it one tree, six, or forty-six [14:41]
mircea_popescu this particular detachment between words and things... [14:41]
mircea_popescu i guess you're right [14:41]
ascii_field appealing in trees. in people - not so much [14:41]
mircea_popescu by the way, am i the only foreigner that thinks southern dialects a lot more expressive, interesting and developed than yankee english ? [14:42]
* ascii_field hasn't enough exposure to the former, to say [14:43]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFL2GT1-2g [14:45]
Pierre_Rochard mircea_popescu: you are not [14:45]
assbot Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqmRov ) [14:45]
mircea_popescu good primer [14:45]
Adlai the south considered themselves closer to the commonwealth than to the yanks [14:46]
trinque 2:36 what's uuuup [14:46]
ascii_field see also 'the mind of the south' (w. j. cash) - mega-recommended [14:46]
ascii_field (engl.) [14:47]
Adlai and/or "The Killer Angels" [14:47]
ascii_field had interesting thesis - that cotton only worked on small fraction of land available, and the rest was left mostly alone to the non-slaveholding inhabitants, with minimal statal footprint [14:47]
trinque southerners like their govts dysfunctional at best [14:48]
trinque tx legislature meets every two years, mostly to talk about doing nothing [14:48]
mircea_popescu ascii_field in any case the wisdom was to keep the taxes low and the government minimal, because large plantation owners know best what to do with resources. [14:49]
mircea_popescu in a sense it was the HRE of the american continent. [14:49]
trinque in previous conversations about the need for privilege it has occurred to me that tx seems to have this [14:50]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: according to cash, it was rather because southern states ran extraction economy of soil and slave, but did not need the non-planter whites for anything - so left alone (as 'fremen', in 'dune') [14:50]
trinque there are parts of cities you can't possibly live in without wealth [14:50]
trinque with proper walls around them [14:50]
mircea_popescu i can see it. [14:50]
mircea_popescu bad move, too. idleness is the mother of devilness or how's that called. [14:51]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: they did not even need to exterminate them to vacate space, because most of the soil was not cotton-grade. [14:51]
ascii_field arbeit macht frei (tm) [14:51]
mircea_popescu there's some contemporary records of "trying to get a cotton farm going", by people without the resoruces and without the intelligence to understand resources at all. [14:52]
mircea_popescu reads a lot like the stories of the "web start-up culture" [14:52]
mats its amusing there's an actual /r/badBIOS subreddit [14:52]
mircea_popescu same "they're moving up and down on a patch of land ; we're moving up and down on a patch of land. what the hell's the difference!" [14:52]
ascii_field mats: and it is all full of one particular species, yes [14:53]
trinque I consider TX a highly redeemable part of the US [14:53]
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mircea_popescu trinque san antonio was easily my favourite us town [14:53]
mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [14:53]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [14:53]
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trinque great place [14:53]
trinque Austin, mine [14:53]
ascii_field mats: the kind of schizo that seems to live and breathe solely to discredit actual investigation into usg shenanigans [14:53]
ascii_field i do not know if they grow naturally or have to be cultivated - but they serve this purpose. [14:54]
mats readers of the log: badBIOS is a hoax, although the principle of the thing is entirely achievable [14:54]
mircea_popescu ascii_field do you think 50 shades of gray exists to discredit actual bdsm / harry potter exists to discredit actual fiction ? [14:54]
ascii_field mats: see also 'piltdown man' [14:54]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: nah those are more like 'kraft food' vs actual food [14:55]
ascii_field buffetized extruded product. [14:55]
mircea_popescu same thing here. [14:55]
mircea_popescu in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps. [14:55]
ascii_field let's peek back a few decades to the folks who were listening to cia broadcasts with their tooth amalgams [14:56]
trinque somebody in the south needs to start screaming about anti-communism and they'd get far. [14:56]
ascii_field the physical principle - is sound, demonstrated. [14:56]
trinque average texans are not at all afraid of the idea of secession [14:56]
trinque common conversation topic [14:56]
mircea_popescu ascii_field let's go over this soundness. [14:57]
trinque and I don't mean this play-ball tea party thing [14:57]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: rectifier [14:57]
mircea_popescu so it is in principle possible to transform energy from state to state. [14:57]
mircea_popescu now, seeing how vibration in the audible frequency for teeth has a calculable minimum, [14:57]
mircea_popescu we can in fact calculate the power of the cia antenna required. correct ? [14:57]
ascii_field postulate a distance [14:58]
mircea_popescu right, for a postulated distance. [14:58]
mircea_popescu "Ebay did grant my item not as described case. However, Ebay didn't acknowledge that an interdicted, tampered, infected and implanted device is an item not described. [14:59]
mircea_popescu this is strictly correct. an item tampered with by the government is not, legally, an item distinct from an item not tampered with by the government. [14:59]
ascii_field as a very small boy, i listened to a 'radio' consisted of a handset speaker from a busted telephone (circa 1940s?) and a diode (pulled out of ancient bobbin deck, also thrown out window by someone) [14:59]
mircea_popescu this is exactly why government may not continue to exist. [14:59]
ascii_field this was possible because su loved am radio [14:59]
mircea_popescu but the diode was not made out of your dead dog. [15:01]
ascii_field nope [15:01]
mircea_popescu moreover, the "listening to cia" people do not plug speakers into their teeth. [15:01]
ascii_field germanium diode [15:01]
ascii_field people do not plug speakers into their teeth << bone conduction [15:01]
mircea_popescu so... you know. yes "it's possible". however, doing it on dentine and lead... tough job. [15:01]
mircea_popescu yes yes. just pointing out to you that while it is theoretically possible, it is improbable it ever was practically achieved either by accident or by hobbists. [15:02]
mircea_popescu for that matter, cold fusion is just as theoretically possible. [15:02]
ascii_field !s palladium deuteride [15:02]
assbot 1 results for 'palladium deuteride' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=palladium+deuteride [15:02]
mircea_popescu so listen alf, i had an exceptional plate of deviled eggs last night... ate 18^H^H 19^H^H 27 of the suckers [15:04]
mircea_popescu but you know... it kinda didn't sit well... so i let out this huge burp... and i think it all went into my cavity or something [15:04]
mircea_popescu because i got cold fusion going! [15:04]
ascii_field this is how 'fuck you i'm a dragon' probably began. [15:05]
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ascii_field l0l [15:05]
mircea_popescu myeah lol [15:05]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnaw1-1fTg >> actually prolly better example. [15:07]
assbot Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 3 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkxD4v ) [15:07]
mircea_popescu "he's so dumb, he could throw himself on the ground and miss" [15:07]
mircea_popescu "when she hauls ass, she gotta make two trips" [15:07]
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mircea_popescu !up Asenath [15:08]
-assbot- You voiced Asenath for 30 minutes. [15:08]
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mircea_popescu heh. [15:08]
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trinque mircea_popescu: my biz partner's dad has all kinds of them [15:10]
trinque "does the pope shit in his hat?" [15:10]
mircea_popescu lol [15:10]
trinque "busier than a cat with two asses" << loads of variations on that one [15:11]
mircea_popescu see, but that's the sort of person that's worth getting drunk [15:11]
mircea_popescu "more worried than a cat in a roomfull of rocking chairs" [15:11]
trinque ah shit his whole family's a hoot drunk [15:11]
mircea_popescu and what else is life all about i ask ye! [15:11]
trinque not a damn thing [15:11]
mircea_popescu btw, you know how the pope hat thing came about ? [15:12]
ascii_field https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/comments/2y8ufv/badbios_other_sources_emit_transcranial << typical [15:12]
assbot BadBIOS & other sources emit Transcranial Ultrasound ('TUS') which down-regulates neural activity causing dead zombie brain : badBIOS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqsaEk ) [15:12]
trinque mircea_popescu: hows that [15:12]
mircea_popescu ascii_field people are on reddit so as to be with other like minded people. it is a social function. what words they say... "world's best dad!" [15:13]
mircea_popescu trinque see, if you've ever seen if (1=1) in code you comprehend this literary device. "have you ever whipped a woman ?" "does the bear shit in the woods ?" [15:13]
mircea_popescu the ~other~ stock 1=1 answer being, "does the pope wear a funny hat" [15:13]
mircea_popescu as time went by, the two were merged into one, and so... [15:13]
ascii_field 'does the pope shit in the woods' [15:14]
ascii_field (tm) [15:14]
mircea_popescu lol [15:14]
trinque oh yeah, of course [15:14]
ascii_field (most common variant where i live) [15:14]
mircea_popescu yes, and napoleon has an infinite number of arms. [15:14]
mircea_popescu know that one ? [15:14]
ascii_field aha [15:14]
mircea_popescu "she's so skinny she's gonna fall through her butt and hang herself" [15:16]
trinque LOL [15:16]
mircea_popescu "she could hoola hoop in a cheerio" [15:17]
trinque can't even make fun of people in portland; how's anyone supposed to tell a joke [15:17]
mircea_popescu !up Luke-Jr [15:18]
-assbot- You voiced Luke-Jr for 30 minutes. [15:18]
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Luke-Jr I just wanted to LOL at the convo with RockHoster earlier. I was going to say "the maintainer doesn't *need* to be unbiased", but then I saw https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User_talk:RockHoster [15:18]
assbot User talk:RockHoster - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zkz9U3 ) [15:18]
mircea_popescu guy's got a boner for that page. [15:19]
Luke-Jr yeah, I'm kinda surprised he didn't take williamdunne's offer [15:21]
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mircea_popescu 5 btc ? sure, he could amortize $1000 in advertising expenses just as soon as the wiki gets twelve trillion pageviews or something. [15:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 888 @ 0.00151173 = 1.3424 BTC [-] [15:22]
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davout "So... You changed the name of your service so you could be on top of an obscure list? Taras (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)" <<< that's pretty SOP with locksmiths in the yellow pages [15:24]
trinque AAA [15:24]
trinque ABC [15:24]
mircea_popescu eh it was also standard with whores at some point [15:24]
mircea_popescu fuckin gridiculous everyone was amber angel and whatever [15:25]
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ben_vulpes gringodiculous [15:29]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron hey, ask fowler (https://twitter.com/WomenSouthern) if she wants to do a "shit southern women say about bitcoin" sponsored thing ? [15:30]
davout here, everyone is "ABC Express Locksmith" [15:33]
mircea_popescu Aardwark Locksmiths & Irony ? [15:35]
davout :D [15:36]
davout sounds like a cool job, get calls at night about lost keys, show up with a drill and a spare, bill $maxint [15:36]
mircea_popescu maxint my foot. it's like $100 or so. [15:37]
mircea_popescu back when people could actually wake me up it was a lot more than that. [15:37]
davout heh, guess you're right, happened to me back in the day, guess my brain at the time recorded 80€ as 'holy shit, lots of money' [15:41]
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* ascii_field pictures a sciencefiction story, set in the world of 'shall be delivered', about a fella who forgot a key and goes to a specialist who 'helps remember' [15:43]
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danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078941 << how to initially get fw_printenv to tell pogo to boot kernel over TFTP in the future? [15:46]
assbot Logged on 29-03-2015 18:21:35; asciilifeform: ^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included. [15:46]
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danielpbarron stock pogo does not come with this tool, but it does come with nandwrite, flash_erase, and flash_eraseall [15:49]
trinque danielpbarron: one of the vars in there sets the boot order [15:50]
trinque there was some command to dump out all vars [15:50]
trinque should be able to spot it; the value of it names other vars iirc comma separated [15:50]
danielpbarron those commands are available from within uBoot [15:50]
trinque yeah [15:51]
danielpbarron and can also be used from the OS, but they don't come standard with an unmodified pogo [15:51]
ascii_field danielpbarron: on stock pogo you need fw_printenv (or serial cable) to get into uboot console [15:51]
ascii_field simplest way is to get those utils on the stock os (sftp copy, or wget) and use. [15:51]
danielpbarron yes, so what is the easiest way to get fw_printenv on a new unit ? just copy it over from workstation ? or is it easier to reflash with your own kernel using the stock nandwrite tool [15:52]
danielpbarron ah [15:52]
trinque I stuck a debian install on one of the attached drives as a workspace [15:52]
trinque works pretty well [15:52]
danielpbarron yeah that's what i'm ircing from [15:53]
danielpbarron what is the easiest way to make your own fw_printenv ? is this something that come out of the same process that makes the kernel ? [15:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00025601 = 7.0147 BTC [+] [15:56]
ascii_field danielpbarron: all it does is dump/write the reserved 2nd half of mtd0 [15:56]
ascii_field which contains config vars for uboot [15:56]
ascii_field this in turn used kernel's nand driv. [15:56]
ascii_field nothing high-tech [15:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35964 @ 0.00026942 = 9.6894 BTC [+] [16:03]
davout so i'm currently connected to the Pogo through SSH, pretty easy so far [16:04]
davout not sure how one compiles U-Boot though [16:04]
davout danielpbarron: ^ [16:04]
ascii_field davout: 'buildroot' also builds uboot [16:04]
davout ascii_field: ok, i should be able to get it from your binaries amirite [16:06]
davout (starting with the 'simple' version of my guide) [16:06]
davout meh, nvm, i'll do the full version first, and dumb it down afterwards [16:07]
davout ascii_field: should i start straight with your v2 patches ? [16:08]
ascii_field davout: they apply on top of v1 [16:10]
davout aok, ty, sorry for my noobish questions! [16:10]
danielpbarron seems as though the stock pogo is configured to look for a TFTP server without any modification -> bootcmd=bootp; setenv bootargs root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=${serverip}:${rootpath} ip=${ipaddr}:${serverip}:${gatewayip}:${netmask}:${hostname}::off; bootm [16:11]
ascii_field danielpbarron: bootp ? [16:12]
* ascii_field has no idea how to set up bootp, did not try this [16:12]
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danielpbarron boot image via network using BOOTP/TFTP protocol [16:12]
danielpbarron !up ascii_field [16:12]
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assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-] [16:13]
assbot [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC) [16:13]
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mats market doesn't look impressed by TSLA's "Powerwall" [16:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00025601 = 3.7121 BTC [-] [16:22]
mats yeah [16:23]
mats i'm still strapped in, gonna reevaluate my position when they finally produce an electric utility truck [16:24]
mircea_popescu why not a power plant. [16:24]
mircea_popescu i don't think they stand a chance in europe, for teh record. [16:25]
mircea_popescu for onbe thing, european cars don't suck. [16:25]
mircea_popescu the us market was so bad even toyota could sell there. it hasn't improved since the 70s. [16:25]
mats i can already imagine the advertisements -- [16:25]
mats tesla truck and f-250 at the starting line on a track, both tethered to a stack of shipping containers [16:26]
mats after the tesla driver wins, he plugs it in and fills the bed with pumps, chemicals, water... and heads off to a client's home for a carpet cleaning gig [16:27]
jurov in the eu, would be fun to see people trying to use it with 2500w hair dryers and vacuum machines(especially these tend to make nasty power spikes) [16:28]
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mod6 the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right? [16:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00025531 = 8.4125 BTC [-] {2} [16:43]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [16:43]
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davout danielpbarron: does that mean there could be a way to auto-setup pogos by plugging them to an ethernet cable and turning them on ? [16:43]
ascii_field davout: yes, and i proposed this [16:43]
jurov ascii_field: i was here, really nothing happened [16:43]
ascii_field they oughta plug into one another, for 'breath of life' [16:43]
ascii_field jurov: looking for mar. 27 [16:44]
ascii_field might just be broken search [16:44]
davout interdasting [16:44]
ascii_field ok, log is intact [16:45]
ascii_field search - does not work worth a damn. [16:45]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075949 << application for that 'tesla' battery. [16:45]
assbot Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg. [16:45]
BingoBoingo 'does the pope shit in the woods' << Does the bear shit in the pope? [16:45]
ascii_field ;;seen Chillum [16:49]
gribble Chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing [16:49]
kakobrekla ascii_field i guess the search is out of sync [16:50]
kakobrekla what happened to chillum? [16:50]
ascii_field damned if i know [16:50]
kakobrekla ;;later tell mthreat might want to resync the search? [16:51]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:51]
ascii_field chillum 'was a chemist, but now he is no more; for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4.' or the like. [16:52]
ascii_field who knows. [16:52]
Adlai didn't that happen to the chemist's son? [16:52]
ascii_field traditional rhyme [16:52]
danielpbarron mod6> the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right? << http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/ [16:54]
assbot Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMyUB9 ) [16:54]
mod6 Thank you [16:54]
ascii_field ^ the very same [16:55]
ascii_field that was handed out at c3 [16:55]
mod6 ok awesome, got one in my cart. [16:56]
mod6 alrighty, ordered. thanks again. [16:58]
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mats mike_c: some unexpected behavior with your web wot thing: when searching with the input 'Chillum', a corresponding drop-down option appears, and when i click 'View User', it directs me to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/', a 404. when I click the option in the drop-down combo box, I'm directed to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum', also a 404 [17:28]
mike_c well that's odd. [17:45]
mike_c oh ffs [17:46]
mike_c is this shit case sensitive or not? [17:47]
mike_c kakobrekla: are the usernames case sensitive? could there be a KAKObrekla and a kakobrekla? [17:48]
mike_c !register mike_c [17:49]
assbot Nick mike_c is already taken. [17:49]
mike_c !register MIKE_c [17:49]
assbot Nick mike_c is already taken. [17:49]
mike_c nvmnd [17:49]
kakobrekla !registers second parameter is keyid [17:52]
kakobrekla but anyway, no. [17:52]
kakobrekla second, and only parameter. [17:52]
kakobrekla eh [17:52]
kakobrekla first actually [17:53]
kakobrekla cant be second and only [17:53]
kakobrekla does not compute [17:53]
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MIKE_c !register flub [17:54]
assbot Nick MIKE_c is already taken. [17:54]
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mike_c grazie [17:54]
mike_c mats: thanks for the bug report. will be fixed soon. [17:59]
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mircea_popescu cant be second and only << win. [18:28]
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BingoBoingo https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/04/racism.png&w=1484 [18:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2LcRC ) [18:37]
BingoBoingo The northeast, most racist part of 'Murica [18:37]
BingoBoingo Damn Yankees [18:38]
mircea_popescu i thought it was going to be trilema [18:38]
mircea_popescu for the record, saying nigger and racism are about as related as saying synergy and making a profit. [18:39]
BingoBoingo Sure, but tis te Washington Post, what can you truly expect [18:39]
mircea_popescu ie, only the derpington post thinks so. [18:39]
mircea_popescu right [18:39]
*bitstein* PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :Do you handle trilema credits payments manually? [18:42]
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mircea_popescu nude exercise of power, obviously. if fuctard gets you to not say a word, the reason doesn't matter. what matters is the fact that you're now doing what he's tellin' you to. [18:42]
mircea_popescu kinda how the fetlife derps got all twisted about "rape". omagawd our consent was violated by other people using words without asking for permission!!1 [18:43]
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BingoBoingo Right [18:44]
mircea_popescu so how about the washington post is no longer allowed to say the r word. [18:44]
mircea_popescu or the d word, for that matter. [18:45]
mircea_popescu also the e word. are there more vulgar obscenities the libertards use ? [18:45]
mircea_popescu r*cism, d*mocratic, eq*ality and i guess r*ights. shit there's two r words. [18:46]
trinque "progress" [18:46]
mircea_popescu they don't really say that anymore. even "progressive"'s gone down the drain [18:47]
mircea_popescu must suck to be one of those people, always stuck with a new word nest like a god damned cuckoo [18:47]
mircea_popescu come to think of it, the bald eagle is an anachronism the cuckoo is the us symbol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Reed_warbler_cuckoo.jpg [18:51]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NjVz ) [18:51]
cazalla enough time has passed that you could show today's kids "tokyo breakfast" for the lulz [18:51]
cazalla muh cultural adoption, muh racism [18:52]
BingoBoingo Cuckoo seems apt nao [18:53]
trinque cazalla: hadn't seen this, goddamn hilarious [18:54]
trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjwjaBJ5Do [18:54]
assbot Tokyo Breakfast - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJzno9 ) [18:54]
cazalla yeah, it's fkn old now but ripe for passing off as new to the young ones [18:55]
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jurov https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then? [19:11]
assbot Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2QnB9 ) [19:11]
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mike_c mats: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum/ [20:55]
assbot Chillum WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXJPbJ ) [20:55]
mike_c mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here's my problem. Sending my loyal customers to this page is a bad user experience. http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E [20:57]
assbot Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXK6eE ) [20:57]
mike_c maybe a very simple "not found" page? [20:57]
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mircea_popescu mike_c i can see it. which is why i kept pushing for the processing. the idea being that we have ~2mn keys which asciilifeform is going to have the machine cut through like tonight. [21:42]
mircea_popescu so can you live with it for a matter of days ? [21:42]
mike_c ah, so many fewer misses? yeah, there's no rush [21:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40500 @ 0.00026215 = 10.6171 BTC [+] [21:43]
mircea_popescu ideally no misses, seeing how everyone in wot also had their key in the sks db [21:43]
mircea_popescu but there will be misses with newer keys. so what'd be the best approach for that ? [21:43]
mike_c Ideally? It's a fingerprint search. So if it misses, I would have it search sks for the fingerprint and show a page asking if you'd like to add that key. [21:44]
mircea_popescu it should just directly add it if it finds it actually. [21:44]
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mike_c alternatively, a simple 'fingerprint not found' would suffice [21:44]
mircea_popescu nah it should add it. [21:44]
mircea_popescu jurov i know she was engaged at some point... [21:45]
mircea_popescu "new york times and internationally bestselling author" [21:47]
mircea_popescu srsly ? who the fuck is kelly oxford. [21:47]
mircea_popescu oh i see. "i'm twitter famous!" "meaning ?" "not famous." [21:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 850 @ 0.00151981 = 1.2918 BTC [+] {3} [21:50]
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cazalla http://humanitariansoftinder.com/ [22:01]
assbot Humanitarians of Tinder ... ( http://bit.ly/1zljaFi ) [22:01]
mircea_popescu 2nd chick looks maybe fuckable. [22:07]
cazalla !up deedbot- [22:12]
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cazalla deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1B34798.txt [22:12]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [22:12]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zlkisG ) [22:12]
mike_c I overheard the other day that there was a dislike for newer versions of gpg. has anyone written up a blog post or something about why? [22:22]
mike_c ;;later tell mats I fixed the bug and added a better 'user not found' page. thx again. [22:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:23]
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decimation ;;later tell pete_dushenski minicom ought to work in osx. did you see this page? http://pbxbook.com/other/mac-tty.html [22:29]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:29]
assbot Mac's and serial TTY's ... ( http://bit.ly/1bLNEWf ) [22:29]
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mircea_popescu mike_c i don't trust the 2.x branch. dunno that there's a blogpost or anything [22:29]
decimation mircea_popescu: did you see openbsd 5.7 has a new http server that supports cgi [22:30]
mircea_popescu i had not [22:30]
mircea_popescu i dont think i ever used cgi incidentally. [22:31]
mircea_popescu in other news, this is how "wordpress vulnerability day" looks like : [22:31]
mircea_popescu $ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "wp-login" [22:31]
mircea_popescu 39491 [22:31]
mircea_popescu $ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "58.96.27.42" [22:31]
mircea_popescu 6741 [22:31]
mircea_popescu $ cat trilema.com.txt | grep -c "62.75.229.18" [22:31]
mircea_popescu 32720 [22:31]
mircea_popescu that's the log for TODAY. 1MBps, for HOURS, with this crap. [22:31]
mircea_popescu terrabytes worth. because trilema soft 404s, and the idiots have nfi how to script. [22:32]
decimation lol [22:32]
mircea_popescu 62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27204 "-" "-" [22:32]
mircea_popescu 62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27234 "-" "-" [22:32]
mircea_popescu 62.75.229.18 - - [01/May/2015:10:49:51 -0400] "POST /wp-login.php HTTP/1.0" 404 27266 "-" "-" [22:32]
mircea_popescu etc etc etc [22:32]
decimation are they all poking at that recent bug? [22:32]
mircea_popescu myeap [22:32]
mircea_popescu and these have to be amateurs. there's just no way someone can afford to go through 30k 404s that each costs 20kb [22:33]
decimation Your site is probably auto-targeted. I bet the bot herder's scripts rank websites [22:33]
mircea_popescu this would be about as sensible as subsistence steppe hunters autotargetting whales. [22:34]
decimation but they are making money while they sleep! [22:34]
mircea_popescu certainly. [22:34]
mircea_popescu note the split too : [22:34]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 39491 / (32720+6741) [22:35]
gribble 1.00076024429 [22:35]
mircea_popescu heh [22:35]
mircea_popescu so basically... two idiots. everyone else knows better. [22:35]
decimation yeah and one is 5 times more idiotic [22:35]
decimation by the way the openbsd httpd doesn't support cgi, it's fastcgi [22:36]
decimation which is cgi-over-socket [22:36]
mircea_popescu i imagined [22:36]
mircea_popescu nobody stil ldoes plain cgi do they ? [22:36]
decimation not really [22:36]
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mircea_popescu anyway, im kinda happy with this new server. [22:44]
mircea_popescu doesn't seem to have minded it any. [22:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77000 @ 0.00026198 = 20.1725 BTC [-] {2} [22:46]
asciilifeform mike_c: here's my problem... mircea_popescu: mike_c i can see it... << working on it. or rather, will be, as soon as i finish writing my broadcast for april [22:52]
asciilifeform and yes we can do something spiffy with not-founds [22:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform he has a good point tho, rather than 404, it should attempt to curl the keyservers and gobble. [22:53]
mircea_popescu yeah [22:53]
asciilifeform but it is important to remember that 'keys' (in the customary sense) are indexed by the (garbage) hash of the -whole key- rather than fp - because it is actually subkeys that have fp's, rather than 'keys' (as in, what folks typically paste in) [22:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41425 @ 0.00026215 = 10.8596 BTC [+] [22:55]
asciilifeform it can't curl the keyserver from a nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/somethingorother 404 [22:55]
asciilifeform because there is no physically possible way to determine what subkey ought to be asked from sks et al, for that particular pubkeyblock hash [22:56]
asciilifeform thinkaboutit [22:56]
asciilifeform for query -by fp- - yes, we could. [22:56]
mircea_popescu from the example he gave : http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E translates directly to http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFD5A63B9EAC2A55E [22:56]
assbot Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hyTt ) [22:56]
assbot Public Key Server -- Get "0xfd5a63b9eac2a55e " ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hyTx ) [22:56]
asciilifeform ah i meant to say,gpgkey [22:56]
asciilifeform gpgfp - yes, he is entirely correct [22:57]
asciilifeform we could. [22:57]
mircea_popescu well it's all he wants. [22:57]
asciilifeform originally i was very reluctant to auto-load anything from anywhere whatsoever [22:57]
mircea_popescu he hates dead forwards. like erryone on web [22:57]
asciilifeform how about a simple 'we don't have it, but you can get it from .... ' ? [22:58]
mircea_popescu well, curl http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x$key | curl post to phcktor. [22:58]
assbot Public Key Server -- Get "key 0x " ... ( http://bit.ly/1I4hJ16 ) [22:58]
asciilifeform ^ [22:58]
mircea_popescu nah this really should be automated. [22:58]
asciilifeform specifically from ^ ? [22:58]
* asciilifeform is ill at ease with dependency on non-wot folks [22:58]
decimation asciilifeform: are you comfortable with pulling wot keys from non-wot keyserver? [22:59]
asciilifeform decimation: not very. [22:59]
asciilifeform decimation: in general, there really oughta be more out of band key exchange. [23:00]
decimation the problem with the sks server is that it aggressively shares keys [23:00]
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decimation with other servers of its kind [23:00]
asciilifeform decimation: why is that a problem ? [23:00]
asciilifeform they're fucking -public- keys [23:00]
decimation well, then why have a problem from pulling a key off a turd in the street? [23:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13488 @ 0.00025952 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {2} [23:01]
asciilifeform decimation: i specifically have a problem with hardcoded url, etc. dependency on some random street animal. [23:02]
decimation yeah, it's rather annoying to hit the keyserver dns 'carousel' [23:02]
asciilifeform not that it matters, really, if sks lies about some random derp's key. it is a typical 'shakespeare's works were not written by shakespeare but by another man of the same name' non-problem. [23:03]
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asciilifeform but as a matter of general principle - 'act from cause' (TM) - we oughta have self-contained infrastructure whenever practical. [23:05]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform but these are being tested, not used [23:13]
mircea_popescu it makes sense to be sloppy. [23:13]
asciilifeform from my point of view - yes, tested. from mike_c's www - they are wot data [23:14]
asciilifeform and hence merit some care [23:14]
mircea_popescu and note that while it makes sense ot have a b-a keyserver (and it's beinbg made), THAT item will do exactly the same curl stuff. [23:14]
mircea_popescu cuz what else. [23:14]
asciilifeform the only 'else' is meatspace/out-of-band shenanigans, yes. [23:15]
mircea_popescu myeah. [23:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28015 @ 0.00026215 = 7.3441 BTC [+] [23:15]
mircea_popescu check it out, scoobot's dead o.O [23:16]
asciilifeform rip, l0l [23:16]
mircea_popescu what the hell is with that thing. am i fundamentally misunderstanding something here ? [23:16]
asciilifeform why, i wonder, so hard [23:16]
mircea_popescu exactly. [23:16]
asciilifeform phuctor stayed up 534 days (since birth) until i moved it just this week [23:16]
mircea_popescu i know [23:17]
asciilifeform on a fucking aws [23:17]
mircea_popescu must be the cpanel. [23:17]
* asciilifeform bewildered re: scoop [23:17]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/e183dfb308f3cc02a97edbdb644567fb/tumblr_n5y8em4FJv1rl9p9mo1_500.gif [23:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBppWV ) [23:19]
asciilifeform for the record, on aws it averaged out to approx. 1 usd / day. [23:20]
mircea_popescu cuz of cpu ? [23:20]
asciilifeform primarily. [23:21]
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mircea_popescu http://www.everyonesocial.com/ << this is actually one of the least stupid web start-ups. [23:23]
assbot The #1 Employee Advocacy Platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBpBVW ) [23:23]
mircea_popescu the idea itself is dumb, fundamentally. actual employees would have other shit to do. [23:23]
asciilifeform so how less stupid ? [23:24]
mircea_popescu but in practical terms, they're really not useful for anything else. [23:24]
mircea_popescu so it's duct tape, basically. [23:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i did say "web start-ups". [23:24]
asciilifeform convert every payrolled monkey into a mlm sp4mz0r ? [23:24]
mircea_popescu yup [23:24]
mircea_popescu "while having fun!" [23:24]
asciilifeform 'this sofa has six kinds of bedbug, let's burn it in the furnace' ? [23:25]
mircea_popescu more like "this is a restaurant, we cook rat here" [23:25]
mircea_popescu note : general mills, sap, united way etc. [23:25]
asciilifeform ... amway. [23:26]
mircea_popescu nah united way is like ymca [23:26]
mircea_popescu which i found to my surprise at conference that still exists! [23:26]
decimation yeah i live next to y [23:28]
decimation it is just a gym now [23:28]
mircea_popescu specifically from ^ ? << sure, seeing how his link is also to the same source. [23:31]
mircea_popescu (and so is bitcoin-otc.com's. these together make probably 90%+ of our inbound links atm) [23:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00026215 = 4.8629 BTC [+] [23:37]
* asciilifeform just ran into this ancient piece, http://cultureandempire.wikidot.com/page:ch03-p4 (from somewhere in mircea_popescu's www) and marvels at the 'borges's chinese encyclopaedia' surreal perversity of it all [23:39]
assbot Culture & Empire ... ( http://bit.ly/1dBMDBk ) [23:39]
asciilifeform the only quasi-reasonable part seems to be the one about 'extraction economy' [23:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00026266 = 12.7915 BTC [+] {2} [23:40]
decimation is it a ripoff of mancur olson? [23:43]
asciilifeform decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1118004 [23:43]
assbot Logged on 01-05-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires [23:43]
decimation I don't see any updates on the openbsd octeon port [23:48]
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decimation seems like this page indicates that the octeon sdk is under us export control, which kills the port http://www.bsdcan.org/2014/schedule/events/480.en.html [23:56]
assbot BSDCan2014: Porting OpenBSD on the MIPS64-based Octeon Platforms ... ( http://bit.ly/1DQCRl6 ) [23:56]
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