Forum logs for 01 Mar 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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phraust	hrm, can't get reaper to work.	[00:02]
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Saiga12	Anyone interested in a 97 jeep wrangler for btc?	[00:02]
muff1nman	mircea_popescu, i just made an account at btc-e and you can only deposit USD with LR, WebMoney, Interkassa and Paxum	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	none of which i have.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	well good to know anyways.	[00:03]
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muff1nman	yea u got to find out w/o making an account	[00:03]
muff1nman	gotta find someone to delete mine	[00:04]
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Saiga12	Anyone want to buy a dell optiplex 760 4gbRAM core2duo cpu dvd burner	[00:04]
Saiga12	No HD	[00:05]
Saiga12	Mtgox or btc	[00:05]
Staatsfeind	Doesn't Paxum not allow that?	[00:06]
Staatsfeind	Aren't they just going to freeze that shit when they find out?	[00:06]
Saiga12	It was a server for winpak.....came with shitted hd	[00:06]
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ocminer	anyone wants to buy 30 btc @ 135 ppusd ? (thats 4.5 usd per btc)	[00:24]
neofutur	;;gettrust ocminer	[00:25]
gribble	Trust relationship from user ne0futur to user ocminer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=ne0futur&dest=ocminer	[00:25]
ocminer	20 btc @ 90 ppusd left…	[00:26]
smickles	ocminer: y u show up when i have no usd to spend?	[00:27]
ocminer	dunno ;-)	[00:27]
smickles	also, I just checked out the forums for the firs time in a while, and was rewarded with this gem: DeathAndTaxes says, "I would like to see a unicorn that shits skittles."	[00:28]
ocminer	all sold	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	jesus	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	dude you hafta sell slower lmao	[00:28]
SerajewelKS	smickles: we call that unicorn "bitcoin"	[00:30]
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ocminer	;;rate imsaguy 7 nice and easy.. like everytime :)	[00:31]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user imsaguy has changed from 6 to 7.	[00:31]
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mircea_popescu	hehe that he is.	[00:32]
Cory	imsaguy gets all the good deals.	[00:32]
imsaguy	Cory: you must be getting old like nanotube	[00:33]
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Cory	Rofl	[00:33]
danieldaniel	pirateat40: Screw you...	[00:33]
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danieldaniel	pirateat40: You don't need to be like that on the forums	[00:33]
Staatsfeind	lol	[00:34]
pirateat40	danieldaniel, i don't troll often... you just got lucky.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:34]
danieldaniel	pirateat40: :(	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	hey pirateat40, how come we never traded ?	[00:34]
danieldaniel	..rate pirateat40 -10 OMG TROLL	[00:34]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: You shouldn't bid on things if you won't be ready to pay at the close of the auction. :/	[00:34]
Staatsfeind	;;rate danieldaniel -1 doesn't like ponies	[00:34]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user danieldaniel has been recorded.	[00:34]
danieldaniel	pirateat40: Now i'm earning .02 interest instead of .03 :(	[00:34]
pirateat40	mircea_popescu, cause you think im a HAX	[00:34]
danieldaniel	Staatsfeind: Wow	[00:35]
danieldaniel	Staatsfeind: I could have paid, and I just did	[00:35]
Staatsfeind	OK.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	i do ?!	[00:35]
danieldaniel	Staatsfeind: Transaction ID: ed0cf5d2c2f0a63d466cdff4b5c43db35f168d1cb911bb58abf3f43ceda7d2e8	[00:35]
Staatsfeind	I'm just commenting on what I saw on that forum thread.	[00:35]
jcpham	it was silly	[00:36]
danieldaniel	"doesn't like ponies" Because that's totally related	[00:36]
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Staatsfeind	Oh, that.	[00:36]
Staatsfeind	I don't trust anyone that doesn't like ponies.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	how about microhorses ?	[00:36]
rawrmage	µHorse	[00:37]
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danieldaniel	Also, random question	[00:37]
danieldaniel	How much is that stone worth?	[00:37]
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MouseFace	::	[00:37]
rawrmage	jcpham: i love your bitcointalk avatar	[00:37]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: 4 btc, i suppose?	[00:38]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: I mean, not how much I paid for ity	[00:38]
danieldaniel	That was the starting bid	[00:38]
rawrmage	well, that's how much it's worth then	[00:38]
rawrmage	however much someone will pay for it	[00:38]
ocminer	;;rate ne0futur 1 smooth pp transaction, he bought btc with pp and sent first	[00:38]
jcpham	i'm going to tolerate the shit out of everyone	[00:38]
danieldaniel	You know what I mean rawrmage	[00:38]
Staatsfeind	rawrmage: I think he's asking how much he can get someone else to pay for it, though.	[00:38]
rawrmage	oh	[00:39]
rawrmage	i don't know	[00:39]
danieldaniel	Staatsfeind: I'm gonna give it as a gift, just curious	[00:39]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: We're not experts in stones. (That's why we didn't bid on it.)	[00:39]
ocminer	;;rate ne0futur 1 smooth pp transaction, he bought btc with pp and sent first	[00:39]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ne0futur has been recorded.	[00:39]
Staatsfeind	OK, you should have started off lower. :þ	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	jcpham why! o why!	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	it's a pretty nice stone daniel	[00:39]
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mircea_popescu	maybe not worth 25 bux, but not too far off.	[00:40]
mod6	is it like one out of a rock garden?	[00:40]
danieldaniel	Well I got ripped off then	[00:40]
danieldaniel	:(	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	lmao you realise the person selling it is trying to live off this right ?	[00:40]
danieldaniel	so Cory: The dwolla transfer should complete soon; it finished at my bank	[00:40]
rawrmage	lol	[00:40]
rawrmage	so 2 days then :P	[00:41]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: WHAT?	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	or half a week	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	well, 5 days tops	[00:41]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: It said that it _finished_ at my bank	[00:41]
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mircea_popescu	will make it by june for sure	[00:41]
danieldaniel	Like, it cleared	[00:41]
rawrmage	what's dwolla estimate	[00:41]
rawrmage	yea, i know :)	[00:41]
rg	who wants to buy an Asus ATI Radeon 5770 CuCore	[00:42]
Staatsfeind	My bank shows outgoing ACH transfers as finalized when the receiving institution acknowledges receipt, so it's usually within a business hour or so for Dwolla once my bank says that.	[00:43]
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Staatsfeind	If it's 5pm on a Friday, though, that shit sucks.	[00:43]
rawrmage	heh	[00:43]
Staatsfeind	They don't get it at 5pm on a Friday, though.	[00:44]
rawrmage	my bank usually takes 5 days for dwolla, even though by the end of the third it's cleared my bank	[00:44]
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Staatsfeind	I think our banks are using different terminology, then.	[00:44]
rawrmage	probably	[00:45]
danieldaniel	fuck banks	[00:45]
danieldaniel	lmao	[00:45]
Staatsfeind	Once funds are on their way, my bank advances it to me, for transfers in, too.	[00:45]
Staatsfeind	They don't wait for it to clear to make it available.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	sounds like you're a fatcat :)	[00:46]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: same here	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	only the 1% get accounts like that	[00:46]
Cory	danieldaniel: :D	[00:46]
Staatsfeind	So, if I transfer from Dwolla to my bank at 4am on a Monday, it's available in my bank at 6:30 am Central Time.	[00:46]
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danieldaniel	Cory: Nvm, read the scroll back lol	[00:46]
Cory	It'll probably clear this week.	[00:46]
Cory	What's Dwolla's estimate?	[00:46]
danieldaniel	when did bitvps start expecting paypal	[00:47]
danieldaniel	Cory: lemme check	[00:47]
danieldaniel	03/01/2012 by 5PM CST	[00:47]
danieldaniel	Awesome	[00:47]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: No, I just have a bank that's not open to the general public and they have a lot of people that expect that kind of thing from them and have money and disproportionate political influence.	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	oic	[00:48]
rawrmage	knowing dwolla, it'll be finished at exactly 5PM CST	[00:48]
rawrmage	;P	[00:48]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: lol	[00:48]
Staatsfeind	(It's open only to military servicemembers, veterans, and descendants of living qualified accountholders.)	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	and somnetimes you run into jong un in the hallway	[00:49]
rawrmage	lol	[00:49]
danieldaniel	Staatsfeind: which are you?	[00:49]
Cory	USAA?	[00:49]
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Staatsfeind	Cory: Yes.	[00:49]
Cory	I've heard great things about them.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	United Services Automobile Association	[00:49]
Staatsfeind	danieldaniel: I was in the Army for four years.	[00:49]
danieldaniel	Staatsfeind: you were? nice	[00:50]
Staatsfeind	I was stoplossed; that sucked.	[00:50]
rg	;;ticker	[00:50]
Staatsfeind	“RETAINED IN SERVICE 298 DAYS FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THE GOVERNMENT”	[00:50]
jcpham	;;ticker	[00:53]
gribble	Best bid: 4.85148, Best ask: 4.88349, Bid-ask spread: 0.03201, Last trade: 4.85318, 24 hour volume: 25276, 24 hour low: 4.8, 24 hour high: 4.9	[00:53]
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jcpham	danieldaniel the 1g silver coin bidding has already exceed it's market value by ~ 200%	[00:53]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: lol, stoplossed	[00:53]
jcpham	just saying	[00:53]
danieldaniel	wut	[00:54]
Staatsfeind	rawrmage: That's the term for it.	[00:54]
danieldaniel	jcpham: what?	[00:54]
jcpham	1g of silver is worth ~1$	[00:54]
danieldaniel	lol	[00:54]
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jcpham	last bidder bid ,420	[00:54]
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jcpham	the last bidder bid %200 of the value	[00:54]
Staatsfeind	* 200%	[00:55]
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jcpham	i like doing it backwards!	[00:55]
rg	someone buy my btc	[00:55]
rg	at 5.25	[00:55]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: 2000‰	[00:55]
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Staatsfeind	rawrmage: That works, too.	[00:55]
paraipan	vragnaroda you around ?	[00:59]
vragnaroda	paraipan: Don't hilight me.	[01:00]
reeses	why can’t people PM	[01:01]
paraipan	guess i have if i want to speak with you	[01:01]
paraipan	can you explain the rating on the otc pls	[01:01]
vragnaroda	Yes.	[01:02]
imsaguy	reeses: I hate when people pm without asking.	[01:02]
paraipan	please do	[01:02]
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paraipan	+1 imsaguy	[01:02]
vragnaroda	No. I've already explained it half a dozen times.	[01:02]
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reeses	imsaguy: ignore works	[01:02]
paraipan	here ?	[01:02]
paraipan	guess i have to search the logs then	[01:02]
reeses	;;getrating paraipan	[01:02]
vragnaroda	You responded by calling everyone else stupid (though in a much more longwinded way).	[01:03]
paraipan	because i don't know where "childish namecalling" comes from	[01:03]
paraipan	or "Resorts to violence"...	[01:03]
paraipan	can you be more specific ?	[01:04]
vragnaroda	It's been explained to you several times and I've said I'm done talking about it.	[01:04]
paraipan	who i called stupid... ?	[01:04]
muff1nman	damn people are pullin btc out of mtgox went from 44000 to 25193 in almost 6 hours	[01:04]
imsaguy	/ignore reeses *	[01:05]
imsaguy	why yes, yes it does.	[01:05]
jcpham	ignore is for the weak	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	um what do you mean muff1nman ?	[01:05]
paraipan	dunno vragnaroda	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	anyone know an anon emailer ?	[01:06]
paraipan	i didn't find out where you explained something	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	sendmail or what was it ?	[01:06]
imsaguy	tormail	[01:06]
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paraipan	please excuse me for not being here when you did	[01:06]
imsaguy	or just gpg encrypt it	[01:06]
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reeses	2000 btc for $8k ppusd	[01:06]
imsaguy	ok	[01:07]
reeses	hah!	[01:07]
imsaguy	wahts your paypal addy?	[01:07]
reeses	I knew you couldn't ignore me	[01:07]
paraipan	"highly abusive, hypocritical and immature" can you explain this vragnaroda ?	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	ty imsaguy	[01:07]
muff1nman	just pointing it out	[01:08]
imsaguy	I think its pretty explanatory	[01:08]
muff1nman	their volume was in 6 figures about a month ago i believe	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	reeses you selling ?	[01:08]
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vragnaroda	Graet doesn't like being treated how he demands others be treated.	[01:08]
reeses	no, imsaguy claimed to have ignored me	[01:08]
paraipan	yeah imsaguy, i would love to hear it from him	[01:09]
reeses	and i knew one thing i could say to make him talk to me, while keeping most others out	[01:09]
jcpham	i'll chargeback your 2k btc! sure	[01:09]
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paraipan	;;getrating vragnaroda	[01:10]
gribble	User vragnaroda, created on Thu Apr 21 13:11:13 2011. Cumulative rating 10, from 24 total ratings. Received ratings: 19 positive, 5 negative. Sent ratings: 20 positive, 9 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=vragnaroda Currently authenticated from hostmask vragnaroda!~vragnarod@unaffiliated/vragnaroda	[01:10]
vragnaroda	He calls me that for kicking him and explicitly for not banning rg and danieldaniel.	[01:10]
danieldaniel	what?	[01:10]
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danieldaniel	I was supposed to be banned?	[01:10]
vragnaroda	danieldaniel: According to Graet, yes, that's what makes me â"highly abusive, hypocritical, and immature."	[01:11]
delli1	;;getrating vragnaroda	[01:11]
danieldaniel	wow	[01:11]
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delli1	gribble> User vragnaroda, created on Thu Apr 21 13:11:13 2011. Cumulative rating 10, from 24 total ratings. Received ratings: 19 positive, 5 negative. Sent ratings: 20 positive, 9 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=vragnaroda Currently authenticated from hostmask vragnaroda!~vragnarod@unaffiliated/vragnaroda	[01:11]
jcpham	well i'll conced that drthodt and metabank are bs	[01:11]
jcpham	*concede	[01:11]
Staatsfeind	delli1: It's right above.	[01:12]
Staatsfeind	You do not need to repost it.	[01:12]
imsaguy_mobile	;;topic	[01:12]
reeses	;;rate vragnaroda 7 VERY evil genius	[01:12]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user vragnaroda has changed from 6 to 7.	[01:12]
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delli1	8468 drthodt vragnaroda 2012-01-04 19:40:52 -10 highly abusive, hypocritical and immature	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	;;getrating vragnaroda	[01:13]
gribble	User vragnaroda, created on Thu Apr 21 13:11:13 2011. Cumulative rating 11, from 24 total ratings. Received ratings: 19 positive, 5 negative. Sent ratings: 20 positive, 9 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=vragnaroda Currently authenticated from hostmask vragnaroda!~vragnarod@unaffiliated/vragnaroda	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	grr	[01:13]
vragnaroda	delli1: Yes, it's been reposted several times.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	how do iget my rating	[01:13]
vragnaroda	;;rated mircea_popescu	[01:13]
gribble	You have not yet rated user mircea_popescu	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	;;rated vragnaroda	[01:13]
gribble	You have not yet rated user vragnaroda	[01:13]
delli1	must be true	[01:13]
vragnaroda	;;rate mircea_popescu 2	[01:13]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.	[01:13]
reeses	mircea_popescu: you sell me btc for ppusd 4	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	;;rate vragnaroda 5 when he's not amusing he's annoying and vice-versa	[01:14]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user vragnaroda has been recorded.	[01:14]
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paraipan	lol	[01:14]
AcidicChip	Did you just grab my ass?	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	reeses nope	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	was gonna buy	[01:14]
reeses	dude i do not sell btc unless it’s a pity case :)	[01:14]
delli1	7206 imsaguy vragnaroda 2012-02-24 21:08:35 3 vagina	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	me eiother.	[01:15]
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reeses	pity me	[01:15]
delli1	8692 reeses vragnaroda 2012-02-29 23:12:43 7 VERY evil	[01:15]
delli1	not good	[01:15]
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reeses	i need 5000 btc or i’ll die	[01:15]
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reeses	;;rate vragnaroda 7 VERY good and honorable genius	[01:16]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user vragnaroda has changed from 7 to 7.	[01:16]
reeses	that’ll burn, vragnaroda	[01:16]
Staatsfeind	lol	[01:16]
paraipan	i'm still here vragnaroda, waiting for a reasonable explanation of your rating	[01:16]
reeses	i think it had something to do with you being a punk ass off topic asshole	[01:17]
Staatsfeind	paraipan: If you keep logs, it's in them several times over.	[01:17]
Staatsfeind	It's not getting explained again.	[01:17]
paraipan	ack Staatsfeind, guess i would have to see some of them given that vragnaroda doesn't want to cooperate	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	Has directly stated they wouldn't file a report against an unregulated financial services provider.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	lmao wtf is this, people are da police nao ?	[01:18]
Staatsfeind	I am vragnaroda. I explained my reasons to you the other day. I'm not explaining it again.	[01:18]
paraipan	your reasons where ? i can't remember the whole thing right now	[01:19]
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pigeons	"resorts to violence" seems obvious...how do you expect the police to enforce any action against the people you filed against	[01:20]
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Staatsfeind	where? In the comment for the rating.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	im starting to miss danieldrama.	[01:21]
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danieldaniel	mircea_popescu: stfu	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	o hai	[01:21]
paraipan	it doesn't depend on me pigeons, if bitcoinica is legal and is here to stay not even police will resort to "violence"	[01:21]
OneFixt	I'm starting to miss trading on -otc.	[01:21]
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copumpkin	[18:14:11] <+gribble> New rating \| mircea_popescu > 5 > vragnaroda \| when he's not amusing he's annoying and vice-versa	[01:21]
copumpkin	lol	[01:21]
copumpkin	OneFixt: time for epic +m	[01:21]
paraipan	yes vragnaroda	[01:21]
pingdrive	how to i submit and order to OTC?	[01:21]
danieldaniel	afk	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	o ya ? trading ? hm. selling calls, selling puts. ne1 ?	[01:21]
*	copumpkin screams at mircea_popescu	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	lol what ?	[01:22]
copumpkin	you can't have a long nick like mircea_popescu and spell anyone as ne1	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	i can't ?	[01:22]
reeses	no shit	[01:22]
copumpkin	mrc_ppscu	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	cpkn	[01:22]
paraipan	lol	[01:22]
reeses	no underscores either	[01:22]
copumpkin	dmn rght	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	dumn roght ?	[01:22]
copumpkin	<- 2 kul 4 skul	[01:22]
Greed	Does -otc have its own group cloak?	[01:23]
copumpkin	no	[01:23]
rawrmage	no	[01:23]
Greed	should	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	yes greed. it says Lord's	[01:23]
rawrmage	Greed: why?	[01:23]
reeses	we have gpg chat	[01:23]
reeses	people don’t like it though	[01:23]
Greed	Because -otc is pretty damned important	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	don't hate.	[01:24]
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mircea_popescu	it's a sin.	[01:24]
rawrmage	if you learn to play nethack i can give you a group cloak	[01:24]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: how about this: I'll give you 100 btc for 1%	[01:24]
Greed	And a cloak would serve the same purpose as GPG	[01:24]
*	copumpkin sits back	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	1% of what ?	[01:24]
copumpkin	of MPOE!	[01:24]
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copumpkin	;)	[01:24]
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mircea_popescu	lol i already got 65+ for .1%	[01:24]
*	copumpkin slaps mircea_popescu	[01:24]
copumpkin	my coins are higher quality	[01:24]
rawrmage	he's got the pure stuff	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	ima slip you dilutable unpreferred shaes	[01:24]
copumpkin	just ask rawrmage	[01:24]
copumpkin	lol	[01:25]
reeses	i’ll give you 101 for 1%	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	lmao it starts already	[01:25]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: not sure preferred means much when the company actively aims to not have any capital	[01:25]
rawrmage	haha	[01:25]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: 200 for 1%	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	bwaghaha	[01:25]
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reeses	i’ll give you 201 for 1%	[01:25]
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mircea_popescu	dudes, srly. there's gonna be another block in april.	[01:25]
rawrmage	wow	[01:26]
copumpkin	10000 for 1%	[01:26]
rawrmage	what's the diff at?	[01:26]
reeses	how much for the whole thing?	[01:26]
rawrmage	for it to be so long between blocks...	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	1.37mn	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	est 1.47 soon	[01:26]
reeses	copumpkin: done	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	reeses seems like 60-70k btc	[01:26]
copumpkin	reeses: you don't even own his company	[01:26]
reeses	have it ferried to my acct	[01:26]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: don't get cocky now!	[01:27]
rawrmage	bitferry	[01:27]
copumpkin	if I offered you 20k you'd take it	[01:27]
reeses	oh, it was for his company?	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	nope i wouldnt cpkn	[01:27]
copumpkin	:O	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	i have enuff dough and this is too much fun.	[01:27]
reeses	mircea_popescu: 20kbtc for 100%	[01:27]
copumpkin	:)	[01:27]
copumpkin	lol	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	i've never been the bookmaker and the corp owner simultaneously before	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	it's quite pleasant.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	i don't need to scream at myself over the phone all the time	[01:28]
rawrmage	lol	[01:28]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: well, 65 for 0.1 means 650 for 1, which means that 200 for a nice friendly pumpkin is a good price	[01:28]
Staatsfeind	paraipan: trololol	[01:28]
reeses	mircea_popescu: 20kbtc for 100%, 10kbtc/month for three months retention and transition	[01:28]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: can I buy options on your share price?	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	reeses hmmm.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	cpkn lmao you should issue some :D	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	futures too	[01:29]
paraipan	i'm 28, how old are you vragnaroda ?	[01:30]
copumpkin	[18:27:48] <+gribble> Rating change \| Old rating -2 \| New rating: paraipan > -3 > vragnaroda \| Has directly stated they wouldn't file a report against an unregulated financial services provider.	[01:30]
copumpkin	why is that worth -3?	[01:30]
copumpkin	why is it even worth -1?	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	mk. i just got 3.3k in bonds for the love of all that's holy.	[01:30]
copumpkin	?	[01:30]
paraipan	dunno copumpkin	[01:30]
paraipan	same as vragnaroda though "Resorts to violence for competitive advantage; resorts to childish namecalling and further threats when chastised for it" is worth	[01:31]
copumpkin	is paraipan mcorlett?	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	i dun think so.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	unless he keeps a trolling id	[01:31]
imsaguy	;;seen mcorlett	[01:31]
*	gribble gives voice to imsaguy	[01:31]
imsaguy	;;seen	[01:32]
gribble	(seen [] ) -- Returns the last time was seen and what was last seen saying. is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. may contain * as a wildcard.	[01:32]
rawrmage	;;seen #bitcoin-otc gribble	[01:32]
gribble	I have not seen gribble.	[01:32]
paraipan	hah	[01:32]
btchero2	no mirror	[01:32]
rawrmage	;;seen gribble	[01:32]
gribble	I have not seen gribble.	[01:32]
rawrmage	huh	[01:32]
henry69	paraipan so true	[01:32]
henry69	lol	[01:33]
rawrmage	;;seen myself	[01:33]
gribble	I have not seen myself.	[01:33]
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rawrmage	;;seen the future	[01:33]
gribble	I have not seen the future.	[01:33]
paraipan	lool	[01:33]
imsaguy_mobile	;;rate paraipan -1 doesnt understand rating system.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	;;seen fanny	[01:33]
gribble	I have not seen fanny.	[01:33]
*	ChanServ gives channel operator status to Staatsfeind	[01:33]
copumpkin	lol	[01:33]
rawrmage	;;seen what shall come to pass	[01:33]
gribble	I have not seen what shall come to pass.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	omg gribble virgin	[01:33]
copumpkin	lol, rawrmage	[01:33]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoin-dungeon ?	[01:34]
copumpkin	that's mircea_popescu's realm	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	impostry!	[01:34]
paraipan	;;seen vragnaroda understand the rating system	[01:34]
gribble	(seen [] ) -- Returns the last time was seen and what was last seen saying. is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. may contain * as a wildcard.	[01:34]
paraipan	;;seen #bitcoin-otc vragnaroda understand the rating system	[01:35]
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gribble	(seen [] ) -- Returns the last time was seen and what was last seen saying. is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. may contain * as a wildcard.	[01:35]
paraipan	meh	[01:35]
rawrmage	paraipan: …	[01:35]
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paraipan	it didn't show :(	[01:35]
rawrmage	;;seen paraipan understand how this is done	[01:35]
gribble	I have not seen paraipan understand how this is done.	[01:35]
paraipan	irc newb	[01:35]
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Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: That's celeste from the other day.	[01:35]
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rawrmage	;;seen Celestia	[01:36]
gribble	I have not seen Celestia.	[01:36]
Staatsfeind	;;seen celeste	[01:36]
gribble	celeste was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 49 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: devDelay cvs pharmacy	[01:36]
rawrmage	;;seen My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic	[01:36]
gribble	I have not seen My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.	[01:36]
rawrmage	:(	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	other week!	[01:36]
Staatsfeind	Yeah.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	..rate staatsfeind -10 does not understand the calendar	[01:36]
Staatsfeind	lol	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[01:36]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: She's been back several times, though.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	well apparently she doesn't understand bans	[01:37]
*	You are now known as Celeste	[01:37]
-NickServ-	This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify .	[01:37]
*	You are now known as me	[01:37]
-NickServ-	This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify .	[01:37]
-NickServ-	You have 30 seconds to identify to your nickname before it is changed.	[01:37]
*	You are now known as Celeste__	[01:38]
Greed	pirateat40, you live near Austin?	[01:38]
Celeste__	Hi i trade with dbloredo deborlldo and bordellod	[01:38]
pirateat40	no, Dallas	[01:38]
Celeste__	selling CVS Pharmacy	[01:38]
rawrmage	Celeste__: omg	[01:38]
*	You are now known as mircea_popescu	[01:38]
Greed	Ah, nevermind then. Was gonna ask what living costs were like down there	[01:38]
rawrmage	that's too lifelike	[01:38]
pirateat40	Austin is probably the highest in Texas	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	san antonio is like the coolest us town imo	[01:39]
pirateat40	But Texas is cheap	[01:39]
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Greed	Damn. I guess that strikes that job offer off then	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	and not too expensivwe	[01:39]
Greed	How cheap is cheap?	[01:39]
Staatsfeind	lol	[01:39]
pirateat40	lol for what?	[01:39]
Greed	Rent wise for a 2 bedroom	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	riverwalk breakfast including lobster and spanish champagne was like a hundred or so	[01:39]
BTCHero	ohio cheap?	[01:39]
pirateat40	Hookers and Blow?	[01:39]
pirateat40	oh	[01:39]
rg	anyone here buying BTC for PopMoney?	[01:39]
Greed	Hookers, blow, cars, and meth	[01:39]
Staatsfeind	lol @ mircea_popescu's Celeste__ impersonation	[01:39]
pirateat40	Just depends on what part	[01:39]
pirateat40	but 700-1200 ish	[01:39]
copumpkin	Greed: look at apartment listings in the area you need? :P	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	cpkn he doesn't have the interwebs	[01:40]
copumpkin	man, that's cheap	[01:40]
rawrmage	mircea_popescu: do you, like, not have tab-complete or something	[01:40]
Staatsfeind	paraipan: You still haven't explained how that makes you mistrust anyone else. :/	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	i just don't know how to use it.	[01:40]
Greed	700-1200 ish is cheap?	[01:40]
phraust	hey pirateat40, you have any BTC for sale?	[01:40]
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mircea_popescu	I DO NOT UNDERSTAND TABS	[01:40]
rawrmage	you press TAB	[01:40]
rawrmage	TAAAAAAAB	[01:40]
Greed	I've never actually looked at living costs out of Virginia	[01:40]
pirateat40	phraust, not today..	[01:40]
Greed	Rent here for a 2 bedroom is like 500$	[01:40]
pirateat40	tomorrow maybe	[01:40]
rawrmage	it's the key above CAPS LOCK	[01:40]
Staatsfeind	Although, thank you for finally removing the singular ‘they’	[01:40]
copumpkin	Greed: :(	[01:40]
phraust	bummer. let me know.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	im on xchat. if i press tab it just nothing happens anything.	[01:40]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: wait wait wait	[01:40]
copumpkin	my one-bedroom is 1700	[01:40]
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Greed	I'm in a 4 bedroom right now for 800$	[01:41]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: you don't like Spivak, you don't like singular they?	[01:41]
*	copumpkin strangles Greed	[01:41]
phraust	heh, i'm in a 7 br for $2k.	[01:41]
Greed	Come to Virginia, copumpkin!	[01:41]
Greed	Where do you live?	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	do you have a woman in each greed ?	[01:41]
copumpkin	Boston	[01:41]
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Staatsfeind	rawrmage: Singular ‘they’ is slightly better, but no.	[01:41]
pirateat40	Greed, lol you wont get that here.	[01:41]
Greed	Oh, Boston	[01:41]
Greed	No wonder	[01:41]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: how do we refer to people in a gender neutral manner then‽‽	[01:41]
rg	rg looking for Ally bank transfer or PopMoney	[01:41]
paraipan	i mistrust abusive, hypocritical and immature people that use the otc rating system for their own amusement	[01:41]
swarelis	!gpg eauth swarelis	[01:41]
copumpkin	lol	[01:41]
Staatsfeind	rawrmage: With the epicene.	[01:41]
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Greed	Women in two, wine in the other mircea_popescu	[01:42]
phraust	haha	[01:42]
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Greed	That's how I roll.	[01:42]
pirateat40	Greed, maybe on the Mexico border	[01:42]
*	mircea_popescu bans greed (not greedy enough)	[01:42]
Greed	Fuck that	[01:42]
rg	hey off topic people, other people are trying to trade!	[01:42]
paraipan	we still don't know where bitcoinica is licensed...	[01:42]
Greed	That's dangerous	[01:42]
smickles	i've got an available 3 bedroom house ~2000 sq. ft for 850 {{usd in btc}} per month	[01:42]
Greed	Drug cartels and border patrol?	[01:42]
Greed	nopenopenope	[01:42]
copumpkin	zomg the horror	[01:42]
phraust	where is that smickles?	[01:42]
smickles	phraust: columbia, MO	[01:42]
Greed	I do enough illegal things already without having to worry about the police and immigrants at all times	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	i suggest traders move in otc-nsfw	[01:42]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: oh come on	[01:42]
rg	;;ident rg	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	rg is having identity criseses.	[01:43]
rawrmage	i /like/ pronouns	[01:43]
geeboy	l	[01:43]
rawrmage	m	[01:43]
*	gribble gives voice to rg	[01:43]
rg	no im just trying to sell some btc	[01:43]
rg	so i can get my passport	[01:43]
smickles	if you want to pay in usd it's 925 /month	[01:43]
Staatsfeind	rawrmage: I'm not against new pronouns altogether; Spivak's just stupid.	[01:44]
neofutur	(01:40) < rg> hey off topic people, other people are trying to trade!	[01:44]
neofutur	+1	[01:44]
rg	;;sell	[01:44]
gribble	(sell [at\|@] []) -- Logs a sell order for units of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {mtgox(ask\|bid\|last)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, or last price. May also include expression of the (1 more message)	[01:44]
paraipan	i'm 28, how old are you vragnaroda ?	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	you sellign anything neofutur ?	[01:44]
geeboy	10	[01:44]
smickles	;;view neofutur	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	he is 12 and what is this.	[01:44]
neofutur	i watch the channel to see interesting offers	[01:44]
rg	;;sell 47 BTC @ market price "Must be PopMoney or Ally Bank transfer"	[01:44]
rg	ugh	[01:45]
neofutur	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=ne0futur	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	pop money is that thing the homeless colect ?	[01:45]
rg	umm no	[01:45]
neofutur	mircea_popescu: also selling services for btc : https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=1687.0	[01:45]
smickles	s/o/0 ?	[01:45]
phraust	;;view	[01:45]
gribble	#6987 Wed Feb 29 09:56:35 2012 phraust SELL 4000.0 USD @ 822.7 BTC (via MoneyPak)	[01:45]
Staatsfeind	lol	[01:45]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: hot PR lady haz been summoned once again	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	she must be asleep at this hour	[01:45]
rawrmage	mmm, $4k moneypak	[01:45]
rg	;;sell 47 BTC @ {mtgoxlast} USD "Must be PopMoney or Ally Bank Transfer"	[01:45]
gribble	Order id 6997 created.	[01:45]
rg	;;view 6997	[01:46]
gribble	#6997 Wed Feb 29 15:45:56 2012 rg SELL 47.0 BTC @ 4.862 USD (Must be PopMoney or Ally Bank Transfer)	[01:46]
Staatsfeind	paraipan: That's none of your business, but that, too, is in your logs.	[01:46]
copumpkin	wow, Ally Bank Transfer	[01:46]
copumpkin	I actually have an Ally account	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	nice to know neofutur	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin : so send him his money and if you don't want to buy ill send you pp ?	[01:46]
geeboy	10	[01:46]
danieldaniel	is Ally good?	[01:46]
pigeons	I thought Ally was that weight loss medicine that causes anal leakage	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	cause i don't think he has any chances otherwise.	[01:46]
danieldaniel	pigeons: LMAO	[01:46]
copumpkin	I quite like Ally, but my local bank was better so I don't use it much	[01:47]
rawrmage	that's quite funny	[01:47]
danieldaniel	copumpkin: should I open an acc?	[01:47]
rawrmage	when you consider what 'lmao' expands to	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[01:47]
copumpkin	danieldaniel: don't see why not, it's easy and all online	[01:47]
pigeons	the booklet suggests bringing an extra pair of pants to work	[01:47]
smickles	;;asks 4.913836884	[01:47]
gribble	There are currently 5887.0576 bitcoins offered at or under 4.913836884 USD, worth 28852.4394214 USD in total.	[01:47]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I could do that	[01:47]
danieldaniel	copumpkin: okz	[01:47]
rg	copumpkin: thats great information	[01:47]
rg	however	[01:47]
danieldaniel	rg: I might want to, if I can open one	[01:47]
rg	unless youre planning to buy ..	[01:47]
rg	daniel: no	[01:47]
danieldaniel	rg: :(	[01:48]
copumpkin	rg: I'm sorry for saying something that was not relevant to you. I didn't realize this channel was yours	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	alright, lets then copumpkin.	[01:48]
rg	on an unrelated note	[01:48]
rg	i also have 160 BTC for sale	[01:48]
rg	not popmoney	[01:48]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I need to check if there's a balance requirement on the account, since I only have a couple hundred btc on it	[01:48]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: you aren't 12h	[01:48]
copumpkin	lemme walk home and then I'll do it when I get home	[01:48]
paraipan	ack Staatsfeind, i like to talk to other ppl directly not having to search through whole bunch of logs, suposing you're vragnaroda behind that nick	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	btc ?!	[01:48]
copumpkin	I mean	[01:48]
copumpkin	usd :P	[01:48]
coingenuity	lol	[01:49]
copumpkin	gimme half an hour or so, need to stop by the pharmacy	[01:49]
coingenuity	have fun!	[01:49]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: poke me when I get back and I'll arrange it if someone hasn't taken his coins at that point	[01:49]
danieldaniel	rg: Why no?	[01:49]
copumpkin	thanks coingenuity :P	[01:49]
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danieldaniel	I was thinking of switching from TD anyways, if my parents say yes	[01:49]
Staatsfeind	paraipan: Look at this, because I'm not telling you again:	[01:49]
danieldaniel	It kinda sux	[01:49]
Staatsfeind	;;ident vragnaroda	[01:49]
gribble	Nick 'vragnaroda', with hostmask 'vragnaroda!~vragnarod@unaffiliated/vragnaroda', is identified as user vragnaroda, with GPG key id B594FD658613B519, and key fingerprint 394512AECFD3673C7EE829AEB594FD658613B519.	[01:49]
Staatsfeind	;;ident Staatsfeind	[01:49]
gribble	Nick 'Staatsfeind', with hostmask 'Staatsfeind!~markac@unaffiliated/vragnaroda', is identified as user vragnaroda, with GPG key id B594FD658613B519, and key fingerprint 394512AECFD3673C7EE829AEB594FD658613B519.	[01:49]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: you're not tonde	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	omg multying!	[01:50]
paraipan	ah ok	[01:50]
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paraipan	i get the picture Staatsfeind-vragnaroda	[01:51]
coingenuity	-markac	[01:52]
paraipan	guess i will have to live with your rating given that other ppl consider you iresponsible with the otc system	[01:52]
Staatsfeind	coingenuity: Yes, markac is a bot I run.	[01:52]
rg	where did copumpkin go	[01:53]
rg	hes supposed to give monies	[01:53]
smickles	;;getrating paraipan	[01:53]
gribble	User paraipan, created on Sun Jan 29 08:41:29 2012. Cumulative rating 2, from 7 total ratings. Received ratings: 5 positive, 2 negative. Sent ratings: 5 positive, 2 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=paraipan Currently authenticated from hostmask paraipan!~paraipan@188.84.209.6	[01:53]
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a5m0	;;seem imsaguy	[01:54]
a5m0	;;seen imsaguy	[01:54]
gribble	imsaguy was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 21 minutes and 57 seconds ago: ;;seen	[01:54]
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Staatsfeind	paraipan: Quit calling people fucking retards in the ratings book.	[01:57]
Staatsfeind	Disagreement ≠ incomprehension	[01:58]
rawrmage	luke-jr: mebongbysandeton	[01:58]
a5m0	imsaguy, you have a delivery!	[01:58]
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paraipan	i'm spanish dude and i didn't call no one a retard, please stop spreading FUD about me	[01:59]
Staatsfeind	That you're Spanish is irrelevant.	[01:59]
Staatsfeind	Yes, you did.	[01:59]
paraipan	i don't understand dude	[02:00]
Staatsfeind	That much is clear.	[02:00]
Staatsfeind	See what I just did there?	[02:00]
paraipan	i'm confused	[02:01]
Staatsfeind	There are a lot of ways to call someone a fucking retard without saying “you're a fucking retard.”	[02:01]
paraipan	better go take a nap because this is going nowhere	[02:01]
rg	bZYID2nCpH47xg	[02:01]
coingenuity	~~~~~> private message is that-a-ways...	[02:01]
pigeons	if only i knew what that is the password for	[02:01]
OneFixt	Staatsfeind, paraipan: this is old news, please take it elsewhere or let it rest	[02:02]
paraipan	priv vps ?	[02:02]
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paraipan	ack OneFixt i didn't start it all over	[02:02]
OneFixt	I'm not really interested in blaming anyone, only in keeping the channel clear.	[02:02]
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rg	its nothing	[02:03]
rg	its a randomly generated password for a new user	[02:03]
geeboy	any body in AUS selling bitcoins pm me	[02:03]
rg	but i didnt end up using it	[02:03]
rg	instead of holding down backspace, i just hit enter	[02:04]
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OneFixt	it's ok rg, we all know that's the root pw	[02:04]
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smickles	what's with this -otc rating war :(	[02:04]
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coingenuity	;;getrating geeboy	[02:05]
rg	well if it was	[02:05]
Staatsfeind	smickles: Meh, discuss it in other channels, but let's keep this channel clear of that drama for now.	[02:05]
rg	youd be able to login to chi1-3.vm.bitvps.com	[02:05]
rg	cal1.vm.bitvps	[02:05]
smickles	mine was a statement of angst, not a real question	[02:05]
rg	and dal1.vm.bitvps.com	[02:05]
rg	feel free	[02:05]
OneFixt	log in to ALL the servers!	[02:05]
danieldaniel	rg: lmao	[02:07]
danieldaniel	rg: you troll	[02:07]
rg	how am i trolling, i already said its not the password	[02:07]
rg	its nothing	[02:07]
rg	its a randomly generated password for a new user	[02:07]
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rawrmage	danieldaniel: detonme	[02:08]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: memill-husan-vytonsu	[02:08]
Staatsfeind	rawrmage: wat	[02:09]
rawrmage	i am, as dan² would say, 'trolling'	[02:09]
random_cat	bong	[02:10]
AcidicChip	coke?! who said coke?! sssnnniiiiiiffffff	[02:10]
rawrmage	random_cat: yeaaaaaaaap	[02:11]
geeboy	hi is there a australian otc ??	[02:11]
rawrmage	vybong	[02:11]
ne0futur	/msg alis list bitcoin-otc	[02:12]
random_cat	tonbong!	[02:12]
rawrmage	oh snap	[02:12]
rawrmage	tran	[02:12]
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geeboy	hi is there a australian otc ??	[02:13]
ne0futur	nop no otc-au yet	[02:13]
rg	you're in it	[02:13]
geeboy	thanks	[02:13]
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ne0futur	geeboy: /msg alis list bitcoin-otc gives you the list of -otc channels	[02:14]
ne0futur	there are -eu , -sv, -ru, but no -au yet	[02:14]
ne0futur	so . . . its here	[02:14]
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geeboy	alis list	[02:17]
geeboy	how?	[02:17]
geeboy	msg alis list *bitcoin-otc	[02:17]
btchero2	So who has moneypaks they are desperate to get rid of?	[02:17]
btchero2	:)	[02:17]
rg	oh i got your moneypak	[02:19]
rg	right here	[02:19]
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rawrmage	lol	[02:19]
ne0futur	geeboy: type /msg alis list bitcoin-otc	[02:19]
rg	praise be to neofutur who just showed me what alis is	[02:19]
ne0futur	the / at the beginning is an irc command	[02:19]
ne0futur	rg: you re welcome ;)	[02:19]
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ne0futur	for sure this alis command is often useful for irc addicts ;)	[02:20]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I'z bak	[02:20]
rg	copumpkin: did you lose power?	[02:20]
copumpkin	no, why?	[02:20]
copumpkin	I had to walk home	[02:20]
rg	well your computer said it went to sleep	[02:20]
Staatsfeind	alis is a command now?	[02:20]
copumpkin	rg: yeah, I was at work and closed my laptop	[02:20]
Staatsfeind	:þ	[02:21]
ne0futur	ok its not a command	[02:21]
ne0futur	sorry to hurt you st	[02:21]
rg	staatsfiend's last message looks like gay porn	[02:21]
rg	to my terminal	[02:21]
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Staatsfeind	rg: You would be the expert.	[02:21]
rg	i learned it from a cheap whore	[02:22]
copumpkin	so did mircea_popescu go to sleep?	[02:22]
rg	i think it was your mother	[02:22]
rg	copumpkin: nah	[02:22]
rg	hes here	[02:22]
rg	prod him	[02:22]
rg	i was talking to him via msg a few minutes ago	[02:22]
copumpkin	hmm ok	[02:23]
rg	copumpkin: have you ever used popmoney before?	[02:24]
copumpkin	nope	[02:24]
rg	hrm me neither	[02:24]
rg	i guess you just put in my email	[02:24]
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copumpkin	alright, well when mircea_popescu pops back up, I can send you the money	[02:27]
copumpkin	omg it's occulta	[02:28]
copumpkin	imsaguy wants you	[02:28]
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occulta	fu	[02:28]
occulta	:)	[02:28]
copumpkin	?	[02:28]
copumpkin	why?	[02:28]
occulta	lol, it was meant to be friendly :P	[02:28]
copumpkin	oh :P	[02:28]
occulta	hows things	[02:28]
smickles	[19:28] 1 BTC = 5703 IQD to USD Exchange Rates - Convert 5703 Iraqi Dinar to US ...lol	[02:29]
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Rawl123	hello .	[02:29]
btchero2	you have paypal and want bitcoins amirite?	[02:29]
Rawl123	ehno.	[02:29]
Rawl123	not even close.	[02:29]
btchero2	sweet	[02:29]
danieldaniel	LMAO	[02:30]
danieldaniel	oh, wrong channel	[02:30]
Rawl123	wow account :3	[02:30]
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Rawl123	can you actually buy and sell shit here?	[02:30]
copumpkin	yep	[02:30]
Rawl123	oh	[02:31]
Rawl123	awesome.	[02:31]
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copumpkin	if you can find someone to buy/sell what you want	[02:31]
Rawl123	nyone interested in a lol account ?	[02:31]
btchero2	lol?	[02:31]
occulta	hmm	[02:31]
Rawl123	League of legends.	[02:31]
Rawl123	lots of skins. lots of champs	[02:31]
Rawl123	etc.	[02:31]
Rawl123	can give more details if anyone is actually interested.	[02:31]
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btchero2	stolen?	[02:32]
pigeons	hey Rawl123, are you a member of ogrr.com?	[02:32]
smickles	;;sell 1/3 lb shit @ 3 btc high quality, some corn included	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	who said my name ?	[02:32]
Rawl123	nope. , original owner<=	[02:32]
Rawl123	nope i am not.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	dood, you shoulda just sent it.	[02:32]
pigeons	check it out Rawl123	[02:32]
pigeons	sonmeone may buy it there	[02:32]
btchero2	I have personally never even heard of it	[02:33]
Rawl123	mhm.	[02:33]
rg	;;ticker	[02:33]
gribble	Best bid: 4.88801, Best ask: 4.8898, Bid-ask spread: 0.00179, Last trade: 4.88801, 24 hour volume: 26579, 24 hour low: 4.8, 24 hour high: 4.9	[02:33]
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Rawl123	how much would a 50$ amazon.com account be worth? No gift card or anything. just an account which you can fund or buy something with those 50$ considering you live in the usa?	[02:36]
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jscinoz	Anyone selling for AUD?	[02:37]
Cory	Maybe you could buy something with it and have it shipped to the buyer, Rawl123.	[02:37]
Rawl123	that would work as well i suppose.	[02:38]
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Cory	In that case it shouldn't be too hard to get 85% of its value in BTC.	[02:38]
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Rawl123	well, i was buying btc till now.	[02:39]
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Rawl123	with real cash, never really traded anything for it.	[02:39]
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Rawl123	so yea.. not that good at finding good places with buyers .	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	otc is pretty good i find.	[02:40]
swarelis_	!view	[02:40]
Rawl123	this was the first result that popped on google xD . Anyways, anyone interested in anything from amazon.com, for about.. 13$?	[02:40]
Rawl123	for 1btc?	[02:40]
Staatsfeind	Rawl123: Do you mean 13$ or $13? (They mean very different things.)	[02:41]
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Rawl123	ehm. 13 dollars.	[02:41]
Staatsfeind	That would be $13. :þ	[02:41]
occulta	hmm, why am i getting booted when i request OTP ?	[02:41]
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gmaxwell	occulta: request it in private?	[02:42]
Staatsfeind	$ is a postfix for pesos and such.	[02:42]
swarelis	;;ticker	[02:42]
gribble	Best bid: 4.86379, Best ask: 4.8979, Bid-ask spread: 0.03411, Last trade: 4.898, 24 hour volume: 26847, 24 hour low: 4.8, 24 hour high: 4.90077	[02:42]
Rawl123	oh.	[02:42]
occulta	i have been	[02:42]
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gmaxwell	weird.. we just see you quiting.	[02:42]
occulta	both times connection lost, maybe its coincidence	[02:42]
Staatsfeind	occulta: It just says [Client Quit] here.	[02:42]
swarelis	!ticker	[02:42]
gribble	Best bid: 4.86379, Best ask: 4.8979, Bid-ask spread: 0.03411, Last trade: 4.898, 24 hour volume: 26847, 24 hour low: 4.8, 24 hour high: 4.90077	[02:42]
occulta	strange	[02:42]
occulta	ill try again	[02:42]
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gmaxwell	some kind of awesome MITM trying to prevent you from using anything cryptographic	[02:42]
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Staatsfeind	gmaxwell: LOL, that must be it!	[02:43]
Rawl123	anyone? , 13$ for 1btc in an amazon good.	[02:43]
Staatsfeind	;;unauth	[02:43]
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occulta	weird	[02:43]
Staatsfeind	;;eauth vragnaroda	[02:43]
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Staatsfeind	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:4aa03e9ce9ab906ec4b64c21816cdaa29fdcfb741ad6e1723de03671	[02:43]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user vragnaroda with key B594FD658613B519	[02:43]
Saiga12	Anyone interested in a dell optiplex 760: intel core2 duo, 4gbRAM, no harddrive, cd&dvd burner 16btc (shipping included)	[02:43]
Staatsfeind	No one wants to MITM me.	[02:44]
mircea_popescu	fingerprint *B452.	[02:44]
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mircea_popescu	519-452, damn i got close.	[02:44]
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Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: /msg nickserv info =Staatsfeind	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	aha	[02:45]
rg	;;rated copumpkin	[02:45]
gribble	You rated user copumpkin on Thu Dec 15 19:24:06 2011, giving him a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: Multiple trades. Exchanged Bitcoins for Food/Paypal. A++++++ WILL DO BUSINESS AGAIN.	[02:45]
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rg	;;rated mircea_popescu	[02:45]
gribble	You rated user mircea_popescu on Wed Oct 12 19:03:04 2011, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: im awesome and so is mircea_popescu.	[02:45]
rg	haha	[02:46]
danieldaniel	lol	[02:46]
Saiga12	My girl will tattoo (real ink) your name on her butt for 25btc	[02:46]
rg	both those ratings are funny	[02:46]
rg	shame to change them	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	can we see pix of girl and butt saiga12 ?	[02:46]
Cory	How'd you enter the metadata, Staatsfeind?	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	ya lol	[02:46]
rg	;;rate mircea_popescu 2 we completed a needlessly complicated transaction ;)	[02:46]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 2.	[02:46]
BTCHero	sagia12 I would totally do it if i believed you	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	;;rate rg 2 he transactionally MITM'd me :D	[02:47]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user rg has changed from 1 to 2.	[02:47]
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Staatsfeind	Cory: /msg nickserv help set property	[02:47]
rg	copumpkin let me know if you ever have more money on that account	[02:47]
rg	cause im still short another $100	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	lmao thart was harsh	[02:47]
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Cory	Thanks. <3	[02:47]
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rg	haha yep	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	hey cpkn, if you ever get a gf we could hang out together.	[02:47]
rg	that was a classic MITM	[02:47]
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rg	only this time it was legit	[02:48]
Cory	Rawl123: Did you get my PM?	[02:48]
BTCHero	i thought copumpkin had a doctor girlfriend or something	[02:48]
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rg	ive read all these horrible reviews on Ally Bank	[02:48]
Saiga12	Cant be just straight text has to be artsy and no larger than 1"x5"	[02:48]
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rg	theyve never been horrible to me	[02:48]
danieldaniel	Wow	[02:48]
rg	their policies are just a pain in my ass	[02:48]
danieldaniel	I lost 5btc on my mining contract	[02:48]
BTCHero	Saiga12 how do we get proof?	[02:48]
danieldaniel	rg: good to know	[02:48]
rg	like, they have online check deposit but it only works if you have a scanner	[02:48]
danieldaniel	oh	[02:48]
occulta	anyone seen mr___ around?	[02:48]
rg	no one owns a scanner	[02:48]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: haha how did you do that	[02:48]
occulta	;;seen mr__	[02:49]
gribble	I have not seen mr__.	[02:49]
occulta	;;seen mr_	[02:49]
gribble	I have not seen mr_.	[02:49]
Rawl123	got it.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	pix don't work rg ?!	[02:49]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: how much did you pay	[02:49]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: 7btc	[02:49]
rawrmage	for how much	[02:49]
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danieldaniel	1.1gh	[02:49]
BTCHero	danieldaniel how is that bot working out?	[02:49]
danieldaniel	a weekl	[02:49]
rawrmage	and you lost money? lol	[02:49]
rg	mircea_popescu: nope	[02:49]
rawrmage	how did you do that	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	jesus.	[02:49]
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rg	so i have to find someone with a scanner apparently	[02:49]
rg	i honestly havent seen a scanner in AGES	[02:49]
Judgement51	anyone willing to trade coins for a moneypak?	[02:49]
Saiga12	Btchero half down and ill webcast it	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	i recall having one handheld thing 15 years ago	[02:50]
rawrmage	rg: i have a scanner	[02:50]
BTCHero	do you tattoo?	[02:50]
rawrmage	like a flatbed scanner?	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	judgement51 : hitbit.	[02:50]
rg	yeah rawrmage	[02:50]
Saiga12	No my buddy has a parlor	[02:50]
rg	i used to have one too, but i trashed it	[02:50]
rawrmage	scanning things is cool	[02:50]
BTCHero	why is she willing to permanently deface her body for ~120 bucks	[02:50]
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BTCHero	I'd dump her dude	[02:50]
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Cory	You could probably make a few thousand dollars by tattooing a bunch of names on your bum. :P	[02:51]
Saiga12	Its not perm. We can get it removed free and fairly easy/painless within 24hrs	[02:51]
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BTCHero	wait what?	[02:51]
occulta	wtf lol	[02:52]
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Saiga12	As long as its no longer than 24hrs after that it will still be seen for a couple years	[02:52]
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Saiga12	She said she would leave it if you agree to white ink	[02:53]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: wait, I thought I transactionally MITM'd you	[02:53]
BTCHero	.o ud mitm	[02:53]
rawrmage	.t aest	[02:53]
markac	Thu, 01 Mar 2012 10:53:43 AEST	[02:53]
markac	malcom in the middle	[02:53]
rawrmage	markac: <3	[02:53]
rawrmage	lol	[02:53]
copumpkin	markac in the middle	[02:53]
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mircea_popescu	well copumpkin... it varies.	[02:54]
Staatsfeind	.o ud markac	[02:54]
markac	A slang term for anal masturbation	[02:54]
Staatsfeind	:o	[02:54]
Saiga12	Nah im just bs'n	[02:54]
copumpkin	who comes up with that shit?	[02:54]
rawrmage	.o ud id	[02:54]
Staatsfeind	copumpkin: internauts	[02:54]
markac	1) In Freudian theory, the division of the psyche that is totally unconscious and serves as the source of instinctual impulses and demands for immediate satisfaction of primitive needs. 2) Short for i	[02:54]
Saiga12	Anyone in here shoot?	[02:54]
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rawrmage	shoot hoops	[02:54]
rawrmage	?	[02:54]
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rawrmage	shoot up?	[02:54]
Saiga12	Guns not drugs	[02:55]
rawrmage	oh	[02:55]
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Saiga12	If u shoot up more power to ya..... im too scared to do it	[02:55]
danieldaniel	o.0	[02:55]
Saiga12	Id fuck something up	[02:55]
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danieldaniel	Saiga12: Shooting up is always fucking up	[02:56]
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Judgement51	anyone willing to trade coins for moneypak?	[02:56]
ne0futur	/lastlog fuck	[02:57]
ne0futur	hundreds of lines	[02:57]
ne0futur	not exacltly friendly channel ;(	[02:57]
Saiga12	Danieldaniel i dont need a lecture on drugs had enough of that in highschool	[02:57]
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danieldaniel	Saiga12: you always need lectures on drugs	[02:57]
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Saiga12	Danieldaniel you need the lecture. Dont believe everything you're going forced to listen too	[02:58]
danieldaniel	lol	[02:58]
danieldaniel	I'm not being _forced_	[02:58]
Saiga12	Going=getting*	[02:59]
Saiga12	You're going in high-school right?	[02:59]
rawrmage	danieldaniel: drugs are bad mmmkay	[02:59]
danieldaniel	rawrmage: Im guessing south park reference?	[02:59]
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Saiga12	Those who fear drugs only fear their own inability of self control	[03:00]
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rawrmage	[\\\]: i don't watch that show	[03:00]
[\\\]	rawrmage: o	[03:00]
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massive_	!view	[03:01]
Saiga12	Danieldaniel: but since drinking is legal and socially acceptable, alcohol is ok?	[03:01]
Saiga12	;;voicemw	[03:03]
Rawl123	anyone interested in a Lol account, very good stats / many champs/ etc? or a clean wow account ? (lvl80dk , 56 goblin, cataclysm on ?)	[03:03]
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massive_	test	[03:04]
Saiga12	Anyone interested in long lonely nights staring at a magical realm on the computer?	[03:04]
smickles	Saiga12: i already do that with bitcoin, and it's not lonely	[03:05]
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Rawl123	(thats why I stopped playing /paying)	[03:06]
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Rawl123	(caring)	[03:06]
Saiga12	Smickles......talking in a chat room has replaced physical real human interaction?	[03:06]
Staatsfeind	*channel	[03:06]
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copumpkin	mircea_popescu doesn't trust me	[03:07]
copumpkin	except he does	[03:07]
copumpkin	:(	[03:07]
Saiga12	Rawl123 ob you found a goblin girl who lets you explore her cave of wonders?	[03:07]
smickles	Saiga12: real human interaction? as if ya'll arn't real?	[03:07]
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mircea_popescu	i don't ?!	[03:08]
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copumpkin	;;gettrust mircea_popescu copumpkin	[03:08]
gribble	Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user copumpkin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 16 via 5 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=copumpkin	[03:08]
copumpkin	:(	[03:08]
Saiga12	You are interacting with real humans who most of the time dont have to be themselves because there is nothing real about a chatroom	[03:08]
*	copumpkin whines until he gets what he wants from mircea_popescu	[03:08]
smickles	.w real	[03:09]
markac	real — noun: 1. A commodity; see reality, 2. (grammar) One of the three genders that the common gender can be separated into in the Scandinavian languages — adjective: 1. That can be characterized as a confirmation of truth, 2. That has physical existence — adverb: 1. (US) (colloquial) really	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	i didn't ever rate you ?	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	hmm... i think there must be a reasons.	[03:09]
copumpkin	it's cause I keep making jokes about romania, isn't it	[03:09]
copumpkin	:'(	[03:09]
Saiga12	Most of the time your are conversing with other people's alter egos	[03:09]
smickles	Saiga12: the way they act here is as real as anywhere else	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	;;rate copumpkin 4 he's british, what can you expect.	[03:09]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user copumpkin has been recorded.	[03:09]
copumpkin	lol, thanks	[03:10]
copumpkin	whee	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	good save old lizzie.	[03:10]
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mircea_popescu	for the record i am being very much myself.	[03:10]
Staatsfeind	:;rate copumpkin -10 He's British; what can you expect?	[03:10]
copumpkin	:(	[03:10]
Staatsfeind	lol	[03:10]
Saiga12	They act here how they wish they could act in the real world	[03:10]
smickles	Saiga12: anyway, I spend plenty of time away from the computer, just ask dd (i dare not speak his name)	[03:10]
smickles	Saiga12: also, you need to reconsider the definition of "real"	[03:11]
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smickles	-.. .- -. .. . .-.. -.. .- -. .. . .-..	[03:13]
smickles	unmorese that in channel and feel his wrath	[03:13]
Saiga12	Usually one can gather a chatter's level of real human interaction by their sense of humor and understanding of others actions. Danieldaniel, im sorry, doesnt get much real interaction with his peers or people on general	[03:13]
smickles	*unmorse	[03:13]
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Saiga12	Smickles real is what you choose to believe	[03:13]
Staatsfeind	I don't think he's very wrathful, but there's no need to post that in this channel.	[03:13]
smickles	Saiga12: so you choose to believe that the makeup of IRC channels is supernatural or something?	[03:14]
Saiga12	Staats: directed at me?	[03:14]
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mircea_popescu	no, actually. irl i beat women. here i just playfully slap bois.	[03:14]
Saiga12	Supernatural is above reality	[03:14]
Saiga12	Chatrooms and online interaction is far below it	[03:15]
smickles	anything outside of reality is all the same	[03:15]
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rawrmage	wow, man, like	[03:15]
BTCHero	In reality, I want moneypak I have BTC	[03:15]
rawrmage	am i typing the lines or are they typing me	[03:15]
rawrmage	woah man	[03:15]
smickles	rawrmage: lol	[03:15]
Staatsfeind	Saiga12: I was talking about dan² there.	[03:16]
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Staatsfeind	wtf	[03:16]
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rawrmage	i have the most voices	[03:16]
rawrmage	gribble: <3	[03:16]
rawrmage	.t aest	[03:16]
markac	Thu, 01 Mar 2012 11:16:53 AEST	[03:16]
BTCHero	.t IST	[03:17]
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markac	Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:47:03 IST	[03:17]
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BTCHero	kick this asshole	[03:17]
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rawrmage	chanserv, chanserv, chanserv, chanserv, chanserv!	[03:17]
Staatsfeind	rawrmage: There	[03:17]
smickles	hey, why can't i ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping ,,ping then?	[03:17]
gribble	pong	[03:17]
gribble	pong	[03:17]
gribble	pong	[03:17]
gribble	pong	[03:17]
gribble	pong	[03:17]
gribble	pong	[03:17]
gribble	pong	[03:17]
gribble	pong	[03:17]
gribble	pong	[03:17]
Staatsfeind	lol, I stopped typing that a while ago.	[03:17]
rawrmage	smickles: dear god	[03:17]
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mircea_popescu	omg spamming	[03:17]
Staatsfeind	lol	[03:17]
rawrmage	celestia*	[03:17]
Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: I stopped quite a while ago.	[03:18]
Staatsfeind	I don't know if there are any more in the queue, though. :þ	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	why do you say THAT twice ?	[03:18]
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Staatsfeind	mircea_popescu: To irritate rawrmage.	[03:18]
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rawrmage	if I could op myself i'd do it better!	[03:19]
Staatsfeind	rawrmage: I probably have more voices, now. :þ	[03:19]
phraust	anyone selling BTC for Moneypak?	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:19]
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BTCHero	;;sell 1 btc at "1.05 * {mtgoxlast}" Moneypak	[03:19]
gribble	Order id 7010 created.	[03:19]
BTCHero	;;view	[03:19]
gribble	#7010 Wed Feb 29 17:19:42 2012 BTCHero SELL 1.0 btc @ 5.144 Moneypak (None)	[03:19]
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rawrmage	Staatsfeind: could you deop me please	[03:20]
Administrator_	!info	[03:20]
phraust	;;view	[03:20]
gribble	#7009 Wed Feb 29 17:18:46 2012 phraust SELL 1.0 MoneyPak @ 204.12 BTC (I have 3x $1,000.00 MoneyPaks, looking for trusted sellers.)	[03:20]
rawrmage	!list	[03:20]
gribble	Admin, Alias, Anonymous, AutoMode, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Debug, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, GPG, GPGExt, Games, Gatekeeper, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Market, Math, MessageParser, Misc, Network, OTCOrderBook, Owner, Plugin, RSS, RatingSystem, Relay, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, (1 more message)	[03:20]
rawrmage	lol	[03:20]
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rawrmage	woot	[03:20]
BTCHero	;;remove 7010	[03:21]
gribble	Order 7010 removed.	[03:21]
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rawrmage	i am the antiop	[03:21]
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BTCHero	;;sell 1 btc at "1.05 * {mtgoxlast}" Moneypak Have approx 70 btc available	[03:21]
gribble	Order id 7011 created.	[03:21]
BTCHero	;;view	[03:21]
gribble	#7011 Wed Feb 29 17:21:28 2012 BTCHero SELL 1.0 btc @ 5.144 Moneypak (Have approx 70 btc available)	[03:21]
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BTCHero	phraust I suppose you wouldn't want me to take a portion of one of your mp?	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	!spanish	[03:23]
MBS	;;seen silvercoin	[03:23]
gribble	silvercoin was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 3 hours, 49 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: not deposit	[03:23]
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BTCHero	MBS whats for sale today?	[03:24]
rawrmage	;;seen silverf1sh	[03:24]
gribble	I have not seen silverf1sh.	[03:24]
MBS	still xbox live code :p	[03:24]
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BTCHero	taking 20 bucks yet :)	[03:24]
MBS	nope	[03:24]
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phraust	sorry, id prefer not to.	[03:26]
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[\\\]	BTCHero: I would do a 3 month + 1 bonus for $27	[03:31]
[\\\]	1 bonus month*	[03:31]
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BTCHero	nah, I already am paid up until 2015	[03:31]
hanjis	!info	[03:32]
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rawrmage	how can I help, i'm new you see	[03:32]
BTCHero	i bought 2 12mo cards this month so far	[03:32]
rawrmage	what does anypony do	[03:33]
hanjis	::	[03:33]
karmaisabitch	ALL MTGOX USERNAMES AND PASSWORDS BECAUSE OF vragnaroda LULZ LULZ VRAGNARODA I HAVE YOUR HOME ADDRESSE AND MUCH MUCH MORE INFO ON YOU LULZ this is from me celeste you piss me of i will fuck you up big time and i will not stop releaseing user names and passwords untill you are banned 4817,vragnaroda,vragnaroda0@gmail.com,$1$o1RfYL5w 1,jed,jed@thefarwilds.com,$1$E1xAsgR1$vPt0d/L3f81Ys3SxJ7rIh/ 2,Babylon,babylon_horuv@lyc	[03:34]
karmaisabitch	61006,rackboy111,,$1$5eugiq1X$FDORv6UFj/WXy3ZQZ7VbT. 61007,forteresce,forteresce@gmail.com,$1$Oxrs8SWF$rt2jtGuAQVy7/xlMwQC9U1 61008,boblemur,mail+bc@nicolasdavies.com.au,$1$0vo8KSsW$2a7oQQxgGHDPF.HBiLh.7. 61009,kentmartin,kent@kentsworld.com,$1$2LySxQP2$CfCukzjcHB9K2ATS3gvPM1 61010,kentsworld,kent@kentsworld.com,$1$IF1qByKJ$8kedCZRwtHoqoLlcLhzDY1 61011,satan2,,$1$8oWIWfhs$H/raNSFu.EqFihHL5rz4t/ 61012,Raidus,wolfslayer500@	[03:34]
rawrmage	what the fuck	[03:34]
rawrmage	what the fuckign fuck	[03:34]
smickles	wut?	[03:34]
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karmaisabitch	94,MikeChzec,,$1$lKaO62XN$KQhlgXxMgkuDDTDyFkaJU1 60895,fredrik444,fredrik-treimo@hotmail.com,$1$G37ExjSE$xtdzUIfV113Qq5jbGMkrz/ 60896,LarsEdison,gorn@nm.ru,$1$807hDP4i$SW3uP/E/Y1oU2k5lp8I5R/ 60897,andywards,andersonwards@yahoo.co.uk,$1$qCRK1Qd/$kK.GZtyztpO9HVlyzKnvS0 60898,jongleberry,jongleberry@gmail.com,$1$o0W2SpZ8$4OJohpu51Tf7fBcU3z0iB/ 60899,Chrismiss,,$1$grVI/.EI$LhB4wEI6SeS1n4i3Z8Gq3. 60900,fhrp0,firsthrp@qq.com,$1	[03:34]
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Staatsfeind	wtf	[03:35]
BTCHero	lol	[03:35]
[\\\]	what the fuck	[03:35]
*	BTCHero typing in vrags passwords frantically	[03:35]
[\\\]	lmao	[03:35]
rawrmage	yea the old mtgox passwords	[03:35]
rawrmage	so news	[03:35]
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[\\\]	Welp	[03:36]
da2ce7	boring...	[03:36]
genza	exchange here?	[03:36]
[\\\]	At least i have his email now	[03:36]
[\\\]	lmao	[03:36]
genza	anyone have LR?	[03:36]
da2ce7	if you are going to irc leak password, might as well be new ones.	[03:36]
Staatsfeind	[\\\]: Whose email?	[03:36]
[\\\]	Staatsfeind: well, if vragnaroda0@gmail.com is yours	[03:36]
[\\\]	lmao	[03:36]
rawrmage	…	[03:36]
rawrmage	;;ident vragnaroda	[03:36]
gribble	Nick 'vragnaroda', with hostmask 'vragnaroda!~vragnarod@unaffiliated/vragnaroda', is identified as user vragnaroda, with GPG key id B594FD658613B519, and key fingerprint 394512AECFD3673C7EE829AEB594FD658613B519.	[03:36]
Staatsfeind	Yes, but you could have had that forever ago.	[03:36]
[\\\]	Staatsfeind: too lazy	[03:36]
Judgement51	hey, anyone willing to trade coins for a moneypak?	[03:37]
rawrmage	http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x394512AECFD3673C7EE829AEB594FD658613B519	[03:37]
[\\\]	I got it easily now	[03:37]
Staatsfeind	It's in my GPG key and I have hideemail off with nickserv.	[03:37]
BTCHero	yes Judgement51 how much moneypak	[03:37]
[\\\]	rawrmage: far far too lazy	[03:37]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: omg, bitcoin uid?	[03:37]
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Staatsfeind	[\\\]: /msg nickserv info =Staatsfeind	[03:37]
[\\\]	Wow, that's one long public key LMAO	[03:37]
genza	looking for LR, have moneypak	[03:37]
Staatsfeind	rawrmage: Yes. ;)	[03:37]
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rawrmage	Staatsfeind: that address still valid for you?	[03:38]
Staatsfeind	If people want to give me money anonymously, they certainly can.	[03:38]
Staatsfeind	Yes.	[03:38]
[\\\]	Well yeah, I'm pissed	[03:38]
da2ce7	key 8613B519: public key "vragnaroda "	[03:38]
Saiga12	Is it possible to duplicate btc?	[03:38]
[\\\]	Saiga12: lawlzor	[03:39]
geeboy	http://pastebin.com/cXG6qJnX	[03:39]
geeboy	http://pastebin.com/cXG6qJnX	[03:39]
smickles	Saiga12: i bet it is, but no clients will recognize it as valid	[03:39]
da2ce7	Saiga12: lawl	[03:39]
geeboy	http://pastebin.com/cXG6qJnX	[03:39]
geeboy	vrag have a look	[03:39]
genza	anyone know a reputable Moneypak -> LR?	[03:39]
[\\\]	geeboy: ikr	[03:39]
geeboy	cunt	[03:39]
rawrmage	Staatsfeind: have some coinz for having an awesome bitcoin uid	[03:39]
Saiga12	Like if someone has 50btc in wallet.dat and it getz deleted or burns up in house fire can u get it back?	[03:39]
rawrmage	geeboy: lol, what	[03:40]
MBS	if anyone needs plane tickets for bitcoins, hit me up :p	[03:40]
smickles	Saiga12: no	[03:40]
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da2ce7	Saiga12: bitcoin's are only tokens that are 'accepted by the network' if you break the network enforeced rules - they stop being 'bitcoins'	[03:40]
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Saiga12	What im saying is what happens to lost btc?	[03:41]
Cory	It's gone forever. :)	[03:41]
da2ce7	sagia12: they are lost?	[03:41]
smickles	Saiga12: it basically sits there, unusable	[03:41]
Cory	And the rest of the bitcoins become more valuable. :D	[03:41]
imsaguy	occulta, you here?	[03:41]
genza	does anyone here have LR?	[03:41]
smickles	cheezus Staatsfeind	[03:41]
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da2ce7	hello imsaguy :)	[03:41]
imsaguy	hiya da2ce7	[03:42]
Saiga12	So if somehow 50000btc got "lost" your sol? And wouldnt that raise the value?	[03:42]
da2ce7	how have ya been?	[03:42]
Cory	Saiga12: Exactly.	[03:42]
da2ce7	sagia12: depends how it was 'lost'	[03:42]
da2ce7	it those bitcoins were already out of circulation. that loss would already be priced in.	[03:42]
Saiga12	Your btc can be stores in your wallet on your cpu right?	[03:43]
smickles	huh?	[03:43]
rawrmage	wtf	[03:43]
da2ce7	if somebody stole the bitcoins, then sent them to a 'unrecoverable address' then it may put up the price. but would also remove confidence in the bitcoin economy.	[03:43]
Cory	da2ce7: Why would it remove confidence? Because of the theft?	[03:44]
da2ce7	if somebody starts buying bitcoins, then sending them to unrecoverable addresses, then that would increase the price of all the remaining bitcoins.	[03:44]
Cory	Anything can be stolen.	[03:44]
Saiga12	How is btc removex from circulation?	[03:44]
da2ce7	sagia12: make a transaction to a bitcoin address that there isn't a key to spend for.	[03:44]
da2ce7	aka 11111111....	[03:44]
Cory	Check out https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ	[03:44]
smickles	^	[03:45]
Cory	Especially https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#Won.27t_loss_of_wallets_and_the_finite_amount_of_Bitcoins_create_excessive_deflation.2C_destroying_Bitcoin.3F	[03:45]
Saiga12	And the network knows those btc are gone?	[03:45]
smickles	yup	[03:45]
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Cory	Yup. Read up on how Bitcoin works. :)	[03:45]
genza	i have moneypak... need LR	[03:46]
imsaguy	Staatsfeind: bad ban	[03:46]
imsaguy	oh wait, it isn't	[03:46]
imsaguy	my bad	[03:46]
[\\\]	imsaguy: Ill give you a bit coin if you post your btc address	[03:46]
[\\\]	(he ignored me)	[03:46]
Saiga12	What is contained in your wallet.dat file?	[03:47]
Staatsfeind	z20:46 <+ [\\\]> \| imsaguy: Ill give you a bit coin if you post your btc address	[03:47]
[\\\]	Staatsfeind: lmao	[03:47]
[\\\]	offer over	[03:47]
imsaguy	;;ident [\\\\\\\]	[03:47]
smickles	Saiga12: this stuff is all in the wiki	[03:47]
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imsaguy	;;ident "[\\\\\\\]"	[03:48]
Staatsfeind	[\\\]: You reneger.	[03:48]
gribble	Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!~danieldan@unaffiliated/danieldaniel', is identified as user danieldaniel, with GPG key id C5D21E9BDCAE3594, and key fingerprint 4761C0C9EA65B824459AF736C5D21E9BDCAE3594.	[03:48]
imsaguy	ah, makes sense	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:48]
Staatsfeind	imsaguy: He reneged on it now.	[03:48]
imsaguy	typical minor	[03:48]
[\\\]	imsaguy: >.>	[03:48]
Staatsfeind	lol	[03:48]
[\\\]	i wonder	[03:48]
[\\\]	;;tell imsaguy FUCK YOU	[03:48]
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Staatsfeind	[\\\]: Don't talk at people that you know have you ignored.	[03:48]
[\\\]	:(	[03:49]
imsaguy	I'd caution against [\\\] wants me to tell you: FUCK YOU	[03:49]
[\\\]	Staatsfeind: one more thing, and I'm done	[03:49]
[\\\]	;;tell imsaguy :3	[03:49]
Saiga12	Why not boot him?	[03:49]
imsaguy	;;rated danieldaniel	[03:49]
gribble	You rated user danieldaniel on Wed Dec 28 18:03:46 2011, giving him a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: None.	[03:49]
Staatsfeind	Because it merits a warning first.	[03:50]
imsaguy	;;rate danieldaniel 1	[03:50]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danieldaniel has changed from 5 to 1.	[03:50]
[\\\]	<-- stfu'ing	[03:50]
[\\\]	Oh, you want to play that game, do you	[03:50]
[\\\]	;;unrate imsaguy	[03:50]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for imsaguy.	[03:50]
BTCHero	that really hurt him im sure	[03:50]
Staatsfeind	lol	[03:50]
[\\\]	BTCHero: ikr	[03:50]
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BTCHero	;;rated imsaguy	[03:50]
gribble	You rated user imsaguy on Tue Dec 20 17:51:11 2011, giving him a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Always buying and selling from him, always smooth.	[03:50]
BTCHero	;;getrating imsaguy	[03:50]
gribble	User imsaguy, created on Tue Aug 2 16:24:18 2011. Cumulative rating 242, from 105 total ratings. Received ratings: 102 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 108 positive, 6 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=imsaguy Currently authenticated from hostmask imsaguy!~nick@unaffiliated/imsaguy	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	well im out. enjoy the drama folks.	[03:51]
imsaguy	silky smooth!	[03:51]
[\\\]	it's funny cause I have done more trades with him than anyone else	[03:51]
imsaguy	mircea_popescu: drama?	[03:51]
BTCHero	look at those numbers	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	there must be some drama	[03:51]
[\\\]	lol rates -10	[03:51]
MBS	Raccoon, yeah, the 330 ultrasharp without the camera, they put it on sale for $299 now	[03:51]
MBS	;;seen Raccoon	[03:51]
gribble	Raccoon was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 8 hours, 57 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: globes	[03:51]
-imsaguy-	danieldaniel's butthurt because I iggy'd him	[03:51]
rg	anyone want 167 BTC for $850	[03:51]
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BTCHero	you have done over 100 trades with imsaguy?	[03:51]
[\\\]	I mean	[03:52]
rg	i have	[03:52]
rg	if not, very soon	[03:52]
[\\\]	BTCHero: not what I mean	[03:52]
[\\\]	I mean, I have done more trades with him than I have anyone else	[03:52]
paulzag	sorry to anyone who was trying to find me over the last 24 hours - family medical emergency had me offline	[03:52]
rg	a sexy girl was here looking for you	[03:53]
rg	shes a super model	[03:53]
rg	she said she'd fuck you, but only 1 day ago	[03:53]
Saiga12	Paulzag: things kosher now?	[03:53]
[\\\]	rg: not funny	[03:53]
rg	go fuck yourself daniel	[03:53]
imsaguy	lol	[03:53]
[\\\]	rg: Have done many times	[03:53]
paulzag	nearly	[03:54]
rg	daniel: youll never be as good as imsaguy	[03:54]
rg	dont even bother	[03:54]
imsaguy	let it go :-/	[03:54]
Saiga12	No danielledanielle: making light of a bad situation is callex comfort	[03:54]
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rg	thats how i make sense of everything	[03:54]
rg	when my dad died people called my humor 'morbid'	[03:54]
rg	but thats how i deal with it	[03:54]
[\\\]	rg: I'm not trying to be as good as imsaguy	[03:55]
[\\\]	rg: and let it go	[03:55]
Saiga12	Danieldaniel: the more you say in here the more you make it obvious you need to get some and lighten up	[03:55]
paulzag	oh drama on -otc :(	[03:56]
rawrmage	dramaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa	[03:56]
rawrmage	mamaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa	[03:56]
Saiga12	Danieldaniel: im sorry dude but i cant believe i traded with you	[03:56]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-otc	[11:40]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Sun Feb 26 06:25:27 2012	[11:40]
mircea_popescu	good morning ircpeople	[11:40]
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MBS	hmmm, not too bad http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.837646	[11:50]
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bitcoinTrader	;;getrating anonx	[11:56]
bitcoinTrader	buying LR	[11:58]
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phantomcircuit	MBS, that's a nice combo	[12:02]
errydayimgenerat	eyo eyo eyo	[12:04]
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errydayimgenerat	DeLorean731: wake up	[12:09]
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*	AnonX Wants: 10btc Have: Stars, Minted Poker, EUR/USD MB(Skrill), Paypal. PM	[12:11]
mircea_popescu	ya, wake up	[12:12]
mircea_popescu	all off you	[12:12]
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errydayimgenerat	myarrr see myarrr	[12:23]
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errydayimgenerat	yargh	[12:27]
rigasnackalope-	sup brokco	[12:27]
errydayimgenerat	i need someone with wells fargo	[12:27]
AnonX	no money the us	[12:29]
AnonX	europe is solid	[12:29]
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MBS	maybe i should eventually open a wells fargo account for all the people in here that want it all the time, lol	[12:43]
magnetron	MBS: exploit the market opportunity!	[12:43]
magnetron	:D	[12:43]
AnonX	Can people outside the us make WF/BoA accounts?	[12:43]
MBS	i mean already have like 6 checking and 3 savings accounts anyway	[12:45]
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phedny_	AnonX: not through the online process, as the first question is to provide a zip code: https://www.wellsfargo.com/checking/	[12:46]
mircea_popescu	you can get an address tho	[12:50]
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*	AnonX Wants: 10btc Have: Stars, Minted Poker, EUR/USD MB(Skrill), Paypal. PM	[13:14]
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vual	clear	[13:15]
vual	Looking for guy to check python script tell me what i did wrong will tip in BTC or Equiv in LTC.... Msg me if interested Python that is...	[13:15]
kakobrekla	lookin for a vps	[13:18]
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phantomcircuit	kakobrekla, momentovps.com	[13:20]
vual	vertVPS.com	[13:20]
vual	wheres that guy who does python stuff for bitcoin	[13:20]
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netxshare	is anyone having issues logging into mtgox?	[13:36]
mircea_popescu	nope	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	anyone know greg cooper of bitcoinmoney ?	[13:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/	[13:51]
vual	btc has been quite latly lol everyone sold out	[13:53]
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Coolio-	http://spectrum.ieee.org/nanoclast/semiconductors/nanotechnology/sprayon-antenna-enabled-by-nanoparticles-extends-range-of-antennas-one-hundred-times	[13:58]
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Mqrius	Someone should go to ogrr.com and set up a post with trades for USD <-> BTC. There's lots of people there new to bitcoin who are desperately looking for ways to acquire bitcoin. Currently their agreed upon "best solution" is virwox O.o	[14:00]
neofutur	i tried oggr but wouldnt do that	[14:01]
neofutur	do they have a trust system like here on otc ?	[14:01]
neofutur	people want paypal, paypal needs trust	[14:01]
BTCHero	make them get moneypak	[14:01]
neofutur	better post something to advertise --otc	[14:01]
neofutur	moneypck is US only	[14:01]
Mqrius	neofutur: They have some feedback system, not entirely similar to otc. But you could do moneypak and have them send first, that's quite common in the US right?	[14:02]
BTCHero	oh yeah, some people aren't from here :)	[14:02]
neofutur	will the same scam market as bitcointalk	[14:02]
Mqrius	I've set up posts for Eur<->BTC, but I think there's more ameriacans	[14:02]
neofutur	not interested	[14:02]
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Mqrius	Sure. I'm just surprised there's no US resident willing to get nice rates there.	[14:04]
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Mqrius	Oh, virwox and coinworker, apparently.	[14:05]
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napkin3	hop	[14:08]
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paulzag	;;rated napkin	[14:19]
gribble	You rated user napkin on Sun Feb 12 16:21:50 2012, giving him a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: sold him BTC for PPUSD quick & easy.	[14:19]
paulzag	;;rate napkin 2 several transactions where I sold him BTC for PPUSD. Always quick, reliable and honest - trusted him to send later all worked out	[14:20]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user napkin has changed from 1 to 2.	[14:20]
errydayimgenerat	weee	[14:20]
errydayimgenerat	;;eauth errydayimgenerat	[14:20]
da2ce7	:)	[14:20]
*	da2ce7 feels good when he sees good ratings.	[14:20]
paulzag	da2ce7, makes for a nice change today	[14:21]
da2ce7	:( you have had some sour trades?	[14:21]
paulzag	no - I've been good but the natives got restless today and started neging each other	[14:22]
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paulzag	g'night	[14:23]
errydayimgenerat	anyone rockin wells fargo?	[14:25]
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errydayimgenerat	sellin btc or mtox usd for wells fargo to wells fargo wiree	[14:39]
errydayimgenerat	ehhhh	[14:41]
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errydayimgenerat	ehhh	[14:45]
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errydayimgenerat	eh?	[14:49]
occulta	?	[14:50]
errydayimgenerat	sellin btc or mtox usd for wells fargo to wells fargo wire or somethin else	[14:50]
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coingenuity	how much, errydayimgenerat	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	erry : ppusd ?	[15:00]
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muff1nman	;;gpg eauth muff1man	[15:07]
errydayimgenerat	mircea_popescu: negative	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	kk	[15:08]
occulta	dododo	[15:13]
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Saiga12	Erryday: same rate?	[15:25]
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nicksy34	k	[15:28]
nicksy34	kf	[15:29]
nicksy34	;;ticker	[15:29]
nicksy34	kj	[15:33]
nicksy34	hi	[15:33]
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nicksy34	n]	[15:38]
nicksy34	any body from aus in here?	[15:40]
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nicksy34	with coins to sale	[15:41]
nicksy34	;	[15:46]
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nicksy34	n	[16:12]
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mircea_popescu	how do we know adam and eve were not chinese ?	[16:17]
nathan7	we don't	[16:18]
AIEmpire	Wut?	[16:19]
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lordoftheflies	yeah they might have been chinese :)	[16:23]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: duh, obviously they weren't, cause haven't you read the bible? they say things in english, dumbass	[16:24]
copumpkin	also, how many chinese people do you know called adam	[16:24]
copumpkin	dumbest question ever man	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	that's not it.	[16:24]
copumpkin	everyone knows the bible is all about americans	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	we know they weren't chinese cause they didn't eat the fucking snake.	[16:24]
copumpkin	lol	[16:24]
lordoftheflies	it was translated to english	[16:25]
lordoftheflies	:S	[16:25]
lordoftheflies	it was in hebrew at first	[16:25]
copumpkin	there's a store near that has snake meat	[16:25]
imsaguy2	pictures or it didn't happen	[16:25]
copumpkin	wasn't it aramaic?	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	the snake or the pictures ?	[16:25]
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lordoftheflies	oh yeah, aramaic :) well hebrew is closer to it than english	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	it was in greek	[16:26]
copumpkin	I guess, both	[16:26]
lordoftheflies	no, it wasn't	[16:26]
imsaguy2	it was in a bunch of shit	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	the hebrew version is later and aramaic was spoken at the time.	[16:26]
copumpkin	parts in classical hebrew, others in aramaic	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	pfff.	[16:26]
imsaguy2	it was written over a hundred+ years	[16:26]
mcorlett	I have a question for you who've been around here for long: is this retaliatory rating thing where you negatively rate people who've rated you negatively something new?	[16:26]
copumpkin	imsaguy2: your face was, too	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	it was written ~500 years later than people in general think.	[16:26]
lordoftheflies	it was the old testament	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	aka, 400ish ad.	[16:26]
lordoftheflies	so it wasn't in greek	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	ya, it was.	[16:26]
imsaguy2	it really was	[16:26]
imsaguy2	it was in a bunch of languages	[16:26]
lordoftheflies	how do you guys know that?	[16:26]
nicksy34	latin	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	mcorlett its stupid both ways and not how the wot works	[16:26]
lordoftheflies	any scientific evidence?	[16:26]
nicksy34	latin	[16:26]
imsaguy2	lordoftheflies: clearly you've never taken any religion classes	[16:27]
nicksy34	so knowbody could understand ti	[16:27]
nicksy34	it	[16:27]
imsaguy2	nicksy34: that came later.	[16:27]
lordoftheflies	i have but it was just basic	[16:27]
Rawl123	Selling clean wow account( DK Lvl 80! )cataclysm on!	[16:27]
MBS	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108138/747-8-Intercontinental-VIP-customer-buys-Boeing-jumbo-jet-turn-sky-palace.html	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how well a game gold/wow/etc selling site for btc would work	[16:27]
phantomcircuit	MBS, inb4newairforceone	[16:28]
Rawl123	It could work.	[16:28]
MBS	nah it obviously will belong to a bond villain	[16:28]
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imsaguy2	I thought selling wow gold was against Tos?	[16:29]
nicksy34	Hebrew/Jewish Bible=Hebrew & Aramaic	[16:30]
MBS	it is	[16:30]
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nicksy34	Old" Testament=Hebrew & Aramaic	[16:30]
trantarigost	its probably the megaupload guy	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	i care deeply what the tos of wow says.	[16:33]
imsaguy2	you would if the product you just bought got removed once they discovered you violated their tos	[16:35]
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imsaguy2	its no different than your paypal getting locked up because you violated their tos	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	in both cases i'd just get pissed off with the offender	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	blizzard, paypal/ebay etc.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	for their abusive behaviour.	[16:36]
AnonX	anyone done trade with sturles?	[16:39]
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mircea_popescu	yes anonx	[16:42]
kakobrekla	yep	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	he's a little gruff but never gyped anyone.	[16:42]
copumpkin	billy sturles gruff	[16:42]
helo	as a gypsy i take offense	[16:43]
Geheim	need btc for 20 eur ukash	[16:43]
AnonX	gruff?	[16:43]
AnonX	what does that mean, he is slow today=(	[16:43]
kakobrekla	Geheim try #bitcoin-otc-eu ...	[16:43]
kakobrekla	nelisky has a ukash bot going	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	are you gypsy helo ?	[16:46]
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*	AnonX Wants: 10btc Have: Stars, Minted Poker, EUR/USD MB(Skrill), Paypal. PM	[16:48]
payward	is who gypsy?	[16:48]
payward	;;gpg auth payward	[16:50]
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mcorlett	;;getrating AnonX	[16:57]
gribble	User AnonX, created on Sun May 8 11:48:27 2011. Cumulative rating 31, from 27 total ratings. Received ratings: 26 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 24 positive, 2 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=AnonX Currently not authenticated.	[16:57]
mcorlett	AnonX: If you can pay in PPEUR, you've got yourself a deal.	[16:57]
helo	my ancestors were	[16:58]
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AnonX	You can pay any currency I believe on PayPal	[16:58]
mcorlett	AnonX: That is correct. I want you to pay me in PayPal euros.	[16:59]
kakobrekla	not in bitcoin	[16:59]
kakobrekla	:p	[16:59]
AnonX	ok cool	[16:59]
AnonX	;;getrating mcorlett	[16:59]
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mcorlett	WATCH OUT FOR ANONX:	[17:01]
mcorlett	Ident first.	[17:01]
mcorlett	cant, my computer doesnt work	[17:01]
rawrmage	lol	[17:01]
AnonX	its true	[17:01]
imsaguy2	...details	[17:03]
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mcorlett	my username on freenode "AnonX" is registered tho, so u have that	[17:03]
AnonX	I dont understand the PGP, GNU shit in the process. The desktop I used to use in 2011 (I havent been here much last 9months) doesnt work anymore.	[17:03]
AnonX	I spoke to nanotube about it, he said I had to get some file, gpg key or whatver the fuck	[17:04]
pirateat40	AnonX, right the very reason OTC works the way it does.	[17:04]
AnonX	Well, I havent because I cant at this point	[17:04]
AnonX	Nobody is forcing anyone to trade with me, my nick is registered with freenode if that is any security	[17:05]
mcorlett	AnonX: Any reason in particular as to why you haven't been on the forums lately? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11770	[17:06]
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pirateat40	If that was security, we wouldn't need GPG	[17:06]
mcorlett	Last Active: September 09, 2011, 18:57:39	[17:06]
AnonX	I can also prove my trustwortiness in other ways if someone is interested.	[17:06]
mcorlett	You can start by logging into the forums.	[17:06]
AnonX	Ok sec	[17:07]
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lzsaver	hey guys	[17:08]
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lzsaver	I want to exchange MTGOX CODE to LR	[17:08]
reeses	bothering to follow the quite straightforward gpg auth protocol would be another good step	[17:09]
AnonX	mcorlett: logged in now	[17:09]
imsaguy2	even if it means making a new gpg id	[17:09]
mcorlett	AnonX: Great! Good luck finding a buyer. I can't take the risk.	[17:09]
imsaguy2	why'd you have him login to the forums if that wasn't going to be good enough?	[17:10]
imsaguy2	lzsaver: try bitinstant?	[17:10]
mcorlett	imsaguy2: It was crucial in deciding on whether I should flame him for nickjacking or let it go peacefully.	[17:11]
lzsaver	imsaguy2, tnx, I'll try	[17:11]
AnonX	If Onefixt vouches for it being me	[17:11]
AnonX	Is that good enough?	[17:11]
rawrmage	no	[17:11]
imsaguy2	how is OneFixt going to know its you?	[17:12]
AnonX	[ ] speaking to you, for this particular trade, not as long erm solution	[17:12]
mcorlett	Create a new identity, and have everyone who can verify it's still you rate you again.	[17:12]
mcorlett	You aren't going to recover your private key.	[17:13]
AnonX	Because we were both scammed with man in the middle attack, this was like a year ago, I can tell him stuff about the incident that only "the real AnonX" knows	[17:13]
AnonX	ducy?	[17:13]
imsaguy2	AnonX, speak with nanotube. if he's satisfied with that, he can fix you up.	[17:13]
imsaguy2	;;rated AnonX	[17:14]
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imsaguy2	;;gettrust imsaguy AnonX	[17:14]
lzsaver	imsaguy2, it seems that I can only deposit LR to MTGOX via bitinstant but can't do in other order	[17:14]
imsaguy2	ok, hold on	[17:15]
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imsaguy2	I'll try and work some magic for you	[17:16]
occulta	;;rate 2 imsaguy another successful trade	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	only The real anonx would know	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	and the mitm himself.	[17:16]
occulta	;;rate imsaguy 2 another successful trade	[17:16]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user imsaguy has changed from 1 to 2.	[17:16]
imsaguy2	moving on up!	[17:16]
occulta	forgot last night	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	you know this "another successful trade" reminds me of an old game, Caesar i think. There were ships trading and if you clicked one they'd go	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	very contentedly, aaaah, another successfull voyage.	[17:17]
lzsaver	hey... has someone LR USD? I can pay with MTGOX USD	[17:17]
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lzsaver	Keefe, are you here?	[17:20]
Saiga12goesBOOM	Anyone interested in a dell optiplex 760 with 4gb ram intel core2duo cpu noHarddrive for cheap btc?	[17:24]
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phantomcircuit	Saiga12goesBOOM, how much	[17:29]
Saiga12goesBOOM	Where do u live phantomcircuit??	[17:30]
jcpham	i bet it's earth	[17:30]
phantomcircuit	east coast	[17:30]
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phantomcircuit	northeast	[17:30]
phantomcircuit	ish	[17:30]
Saiga12goesBOOM	Cool shipping would be cheaper so 15btc	[17:31]
Saiga12goesBOOM	Im in delaware	[17:31]
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phantomcircuit	Saiga12goesBOOM, cool i'll get back to you k	[17:31]
Saiga12goesBOOM	Just email me at zduphily @verizon.net	[17:32]
Saiga12goesBOOM	Zduphily@verizon.net	[17:32]
[\\\]	Saiga12goesBOOM are you the saiga12 that PM'd me?	[17:32]
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[\\\]	poke Saiga12goesBOOM?	[17:33]
*	[\\\] slaps Saiga12goesBOOM around a bit with a large trout	[17:35]
Saiga12goesBOOM	Ya are u danieldaniel?	[17:35]
[\\\]	Saiga12goesBOOM no =_=	[17:35]
[\\\]	I'm someguy123	[17:35]
[\\\]	danieldaniel is 8 's	[17:36]
Saiga12goesBOOM	Oh sorry then	[17:36]
[\\\]	I'm someguy123 - 6 's	[17:36]
jcpham	one time danieldaniel shipped me a router in bag	[17:36]
[\\\]	Saiga12goesBOOM thought you mistaked me for imsaguy at first...	[17:36]
Saiga12goesBOOM	Jcpham did it work	[17:36]
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jcpham	of course it worked	[17:36]
[\\\]	;;ident [\\\]	[17:36]
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[\\\]	;;ident "[\\\\\\]"	[17:37]
gribble	Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!~someguy@unaffiliated/compgenius999', is identified as user Someguy123, with GPG key id 7C30EBE56587839D, and key fingerprint 7B3B0B7423A58BEDFC01B1667C30EBE56587839D.	[17:37]
jcpham	i told him he should ship the rest like that	[17:37]
[\\\]	Saiga12goesBOOM ^	[17:37]
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[\]	;)	[17:37]
[\]	I'm easy to know	[17:37]
jcpham	first there were innovators, them immitators	[17:38]
jcpham	or an N	[17:38]
[\]	I also have [\\	[17:38]
[\]	I also have [\\]	[17:38]
[\]	and I also have the max slashes	[17:38]
jcpham	whut 4 slashys	[17:38]
[\\\]	jcpham a router doesn't generally have sensitive parts to vibration shock like a HDD	[17:38]
[\\\]	a few bumps on the road wouldn't hurt it much	[17:39]
[\\\]	so a bag is fine	[17:39]
jcpham	i love bags	[17:39]
jcpham	i ship diamonds in ziplok	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:40]
jcpham	and charge 50% extra shipping	[17:41]
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jcpham	"convenience fee"	[17:41]
pirateat40	handling	[17:42]
phantomcircuit	[\\\], lol wat routers are often poorly build and will get fucked up pretty easily	[17:42]
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[\\\]	phantomcircuit my current router came from my ISP	[17:46]
helo	i've lost a couple switches by them just falling over	[17:46]
[\\\]	it's an old inventel router from 2002	[17:46]
[\\\]	it's survived 10 years now	[17:46]
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[\\\]	even my inventel wifi card that came with it still works flawlessly (even though it's not compatible with windows, it works great on linux"	[17:47]
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jcpham	namecoins? anyone want to buy them?	[17:55]
rawrmage	still the wrong channel	[17:55]
rawrmage	try namecoin-otc	[17:55]
rawrmage	:P	[17:55]
copumpkin	just phrase it as "selling namecoins for btc"	[17:55]
rawrmage	i love namecoin-otc	[17:56]
rawrmage	it's so cool	[17:56]
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jcpham	that place is full of people wanting nmc	[17:58]
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mircea_popescu	nmc = ?	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	o o nm.	[18:06]
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occulta	very active market today	[18:09]
occulta	:)	[18:10]
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jcpham	http://i.imgur.com/V6MQK.png	[18:15]
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Rebroad	hi	[18:23]
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AnonX	wtf	[18:24]
AnonX	I downloaded the btc client like 9hours ago	[18:24]
Rebroad	I'd like to buy BTC	[18:24]
AnonX	its still downloading packets or whatever the fuck	[18:24]
Rebroad	AnonX - it took me 3 or 4 days to download the main chain	[18:24]
jcpham	whoa	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	get off the shitty connections	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	it took me ~half hour 6 months ago	[18:25]
Rebroad	it gets slower towards the end too, as I suppose the blocks get larger	[18:25]
AnonX	this is super annoying	[18:26]
Rebroad	well, I'm using a mobile network, which RST spoofs... so that certainly doesn't help	[18:26]
occulta	lol AnonX	[18:26]
Rebroad	AnonX. well, at least you'll only have to do it once... or twice (if you use linux and Windows, for example - the databases aren't compatible!!!)	[18:26]
AnonX	but... I need to buy some shit tonight:(	[18:27]
Rebroad	AnonX... well, you could transfer the money from mtgox directly	[18:27]
GlooBoy	use a online wallet..	[18:27]
Rebroad	or intersango..	[18:27]
AnonX	How can I send when I am not 100% download?	[18:28]
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Rebroad	mtgox and intersango can both be used as online wallets	[18:28]
AnonX	I didnt recieve it yet	[18:28]
occulta	AnonX: you never used bitcoin before, and your complaining because you want to buy something the same day you download client? ok	[18:28]
Rebroad	AnonX - where are your bitcoins?	[18:28]
occulta	you want to buy with bitcoin, wherea re your btc?	[18:28]
AnonX	They were sent by sturles like 2min ago	[18:28]
occulta	lmao	[18:28]
AnonX	stfu occulta	[18:28]
occulta	no	[18:29]
jcpham	let's all play nice	[18:29]
occulta	you'll learn	[18:29]
Rebroad	AnonX - get them to send the bitcoins to your mtgox address	[18:29]
Rebroad	don't use your full-node wallet address until it's synced	[18:29]
SerajewelKS	AnonX: usually the limiting factor during a blockchain download is actually CPU and not network bandwidth. how fast is the computer you are running bitcoin on?	[18:29]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: for me, it was network, not CPU#	[18:29]
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rawrmage	heh, for me, it's disk IO	[18:30]
occulta	the chain is about 1GB now?	[18:30]
Blitzboom	the chain is growing ilke fucking cancer	[18:30]
AnonX	fairly sure ive been at 82% for over a hour	[18:30]
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SerajewelKS	hmm, my understanding is that it takes more time to validate each block and its contained transactions than it does to receive it	[18:30]
Blitzboom	it used to be 200 MB when i started	[18:30]
sturles	It has always been disk I/O for me.	[18:30]
SerajewelKS	could be disk i/o too, i suppose	[18:30]
occulta	my corsair SSD ftw :)	[18:30]
Rebroad	if bitcoin gets as popular as VISA, the block chain will be growing 1TB per week	[18:30]
Blitzboom	sturles, how’s the arbitrage today? :D	[18:30]
SerajewelKS	at any rate, it's unlikely to be a network bottleneck	[18:30]
jcpham	1011M 2012-03-01 10:24 blk0001.dat	[18:31]
rawrmage	1011G 2013-03-01 10:24 blk0001.dat	[18:31]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: not so	[18:31]
SerajewelKS	1059169592	[18:31]
occulta	but as the developers continue to work, it will only get better	[18:31]
SerajewelKS	rawrmage: 1011G?	[18:31]
occulta	im sure i read about reducing transaction sizes and blockchain blah	[18:31]
SerajewelKS	rawrmage: looks like a multiplication error :)	[18:31]
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Rebroad	the blockchain contains too much spam currently... do a "strings" on it to see all the hidden messages	[18:32]
SerajewelKS	occulta: a downloaded blockchain can be pruned. but "the blockchain" must exist unmodified for it to be verifiable.	[18:32]
jcpham	ls -lh ~/.bitcoin	[18:32]
jcpham	total 1.5G	[18:32]
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occulta	im sure they can devise a method around it :)	[18:32]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: until someone modifies the clients to recognise the pruned ones	[18:32]
SerajewelKS	i have 1.6GB, close enough	[18:32]
occulta	like remote blockchains or something	[18:32]
Rebroad	eventually only a handful of people will run full-nodes... they'll be the new banks :)	[18:33]
jcpham	my debug and wallet are relativelt small	[18:33]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: it would be impossible to tell the difference between a pruned block and a forged pruned block	[18:33]
occulta	i have no problem with 50GB chain	[18:33]
occulta	or larger,	[18:33]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: not necessarily, if an agreed method of pruning was made	[18:33]
occulta	physically memory isnt costly	[18:33]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: no	[18:33]
jcpham	50GB blockchain will seriously restrict adoption	[18:34]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: once you prune the block, you change the digest of the block and therefore the proof-of-work is lost	[18:34]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: it would require all clients to be modified probably to recognise it though, admittedly..	[18:34]
occulta	almost anything can have a solution	[18:34]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: clients are coded to choose one fork over the other based on how much work was invested in each fork	[18:35]
occulta	all clients? ive only ever used the official :)	[18:35]
Rebroad	but unless it happens, I fear bitcoin is too replaceable by something that does do this	[18:35]
sturles	Blitzboom: Fewer opportinities than there used to be, but I'm still selling well at 4 EUR. :-)	[18:35]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: yes, I know	[18:35]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: if you throw out the proof-of-work contained in a block's digest, an attacker can easily create a forged chain and he may be able to convice clients to prefer it to the main chain	[18:35]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: old clients would see it as a fork, the new clients would recognise it as one chain	[18:35]
occulta	well, atm i can carry around my wallet on a 1inch thumbdrive, so whats the issue again?	[18:36]
Blitzboom	sturles: what’s your feel on the mkt.?	[18:36]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: this is why the original blockchain must exsit in perpetuity. it cannot be supplanted by a pruned chain without compromising the security of bitcoin.	[18:36]
Blitzboom	the way the price is heading, specifically	[18:36]
Blitzboom	i know you made lots of good calls in the past	[18:36]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: the security of bitcoin is already compromised	[18:36]
occulta	lol Rebroad	[18:36]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: now, clients can prune the blockchain AFTER they download it. but then they will be unable to share blocks with peers, since they won't have them anymore. they will be "consume-only" ppers.	[18:37]
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SerajewelKS	Rebroad: are you going to provide some evidence for that claim?	[18:37]
[\]	SerajewelKS: but that could be left to the user as to which type of node they want to run	[18:37]
occulta	he wont/cant	[18:37]
occulta	untrue	[18:37]
[\]	some people will be ok as consumers	[18:37]
SerajewelKS	[\]: exactly	[18:37]
SerajewelKS	i have no problem with consumer-only nodes	[18:37]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: nothing more than I've already said	[18:37]
[\]	some will want to be active participants	[18:37]
occulta	Rebroad: how is that security related?	[18:38]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: what you've already said doesn't demonstrate any compromise in bitcoin's security	[18:38]
Rebroad	SerajewelKS: what I meant was, it will compromise the security of bitcoin no more than it's already compromised	[18:38]
[\]	so the whole 'it will only be a couple nodes eventually' is bogus	[18:38]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: yes, it will	[18:38]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: when you throw out the proof of work you have no good way to choose one chain over another	[18:38]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: and an "official" prune of the blockchain would discard the proof of work necessarily	[18:38]
ageis	sera, reb: you know about merkle trees?	[18:39]
jcpham	when we refer to blockchain pruning, we're talking about a client that used a merkle root instead of the full chain?	[18:39]
jcpham	trees, roots, branches	[18:39]
SerajewelKS	jcpham: as i understand Rebroad, he thinks that we could prune the blockchain completely -- distribute a pruned blockchain through the network instead of the full thing	[18:39]
jcpham	incorrect as i understand it	[18:40]
SerajewelKS	jcpham: which is, of course, silly and insecure	[18:40]
jcpham	the full chain will always exist	[18:40]
SerajewelKS	yes, that is exactly what i am saying	[18:40]
jcpham	a modified client that did not require the full chain MAY EXIST one day	[18:40]
sturles	Blitzboom: Don't know right now.	[18:40]
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SerajewelKS	jcpham: but it will depend on trusting other nodes that do have the full chain	[18:40]
rebroad_	wasn't suggesting the proof of work is thrown out	[18:41]
jcpham	yes, back to a modified client again?	[18:41]
rebroad_	just modified to allow a smaller blockchain	[18:41]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: ok. and how will the blockchain be shrunk?	[18:41]
ageis	the merkle treez	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	didnt satoshi publish the genesis block	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	specifically to prove that the chain isnt pruned ?	[18:41]
rebroad_	SerajewelKS, well, they can remove the spam for starters, I'd have thought	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	beause if it were pruned then he could take over the chain ?	[18:42]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: no. if you remove anything from a block, its digest changes.	[18:42]
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SerajewelKS	rebroad_: the digest not only is the block's identity, but it is the proof of work	[18:42]
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jcpham	pruning the blockchain is a fork	[18:42]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: if you remove something from a block, it is no longer the same block. other nodes will reject the block as either invalid or inferior.	[18:42]
rebroad_	well, there needs to be a way to prune it if we're to avoid going back to centralised banks with bitcoin	[18:42]
[\]	not once its downloaded	[18:42]
jcpham	to a new blockchain. a client that doesn't require the entire chain isn't a fork	[18:43]
[\]	if you prune after download so you can verify the hashes for each block, its not an issue	[18:43]
SerajewelKS	right, once it is downloaded you can do whatever you want as long as you don't intend to share your data with anyone else	[18:43]
rebroad_	so no solution is no solution	[18:43]
rebroad_	most people won't be able to run full-nodes unless it's pruneable	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	...	[18:43]
rebroad_	so we'll be relying on a select few	[18:43]
rebroad_	i.e. banks	[18:43]
[\]	not at all	[18:43]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: dude, storage is so cheap	[18:43]
[\]	any user can decide which they want to do	[18:43]
[\]	jesus	[18:43]
jcpham	let's remove the term prunable	[18:43]
jcpham	seems incorrect	[18:44]
rebroad_	1TB a week?	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	im starting to get fucking sick of random ignoramus coming in, making silly claim, defending it with asinine stubbornness	[18:44]
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mircea_popescu	happens about once a day.	[18:44]
[\]	you are making this too big of a deal	[18:44]
[\]	mircea_popescu: exactly	[18:44]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: i have yet to see any reference for this "1TB a week" figure	[18:44]
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rebroad_	SerajewelKS, I can provide one	[18:44]
[\]	some twit that hasn't read enough coming up with some doomsday scenario	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	that HE!!! knows!!! will do x	[18:44]
jcpham	i'd like to hear rebroad_	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	who is he ? a, nobody. what does he know ? a, nothing. mmmmkay.	[18:45]
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rebroad_	ok, do a "strings --bytes=20 blk0001.dat"	[18:46]
rebroad_	the guys name is in there	[18:46]
rebroad_	sec..	[18:46]
[\]	ooh, you discovered secrets messages	[18:46]
[\]	who knew there was real text in the blockchain?!?!!	[18:46]
[\]	herp derp	[18:46]
ageis	len sassaman is in there	[18:46]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: wtf does that have to do with "1TB a week?" where are you coming up with this figure?	[18:46]
jcpham	rebroad_ maybe you should allow the developers to explain the protocol	[18:46]
rebroad_	It's an article by Dan Kaminsky	[18:46]
rebroad_	I'll find it.. sec.	[18:47]
[\]	ah	[18:47]
[\]	yeah, that guy was trolling	[18:47]
[\]	and his arguments already got debunked	[18:47]
[\]	welcome to 4 months ago	[18:47]
ageis	rebroad scalability concerns have been raised and addressed time and time again	[18:47]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:Scalability#Response_to_Dan_Kaminskys_presentation	[18:47]
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ageis	rebroad_ the devs made it possible to run lightweight clients without the full blockchain. read up on the cryptographic technology involved	[18:48]
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ptresor	Hi, can someone explain to me the concept of gpg4win encryption in conjuction with bitcoins? Ive set it up, and I now have a bitcoin wallet and certificates (in kleopatra), but i dont understand how they work together?	[18:50]
[\]	ptresor: 2 seperate things	[18:51]
napkin5	paulzag, you around?	[18:51]
gmaxwell	The absolute maximum rate the chain can grow at the nominal block rate is about 51gbytes/year.	[18:51]
[\]	gpg secures your identiy here	[18:51]
ageis	yeah they dont	[18:51]
[\]	which really has nothing to do with bitcoin	[18:51]
rebroad_	according to that article, SerajewelKS, it seems a change would need to be made anyway... the increasing of the maximum block size, which would require "the consent of the bitcoin users". so either way, a change is needed, so it might as well include a pruning option	[18:51]
ageis	gpg is for trading	[18:51]
[\]	rebroad_: did you miss gmaxwell's comment?	[18:51]
jcpham	the change would be a client change	[18:51]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: but a "pruning option" will make it impossible to verify that the blockchain is genuine	[18:52]
jcpham	there is no pruning	[18:52]
gmaxwell	er.. kids. The design already supports pruning.	[18:52]
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SerajewelKS	gmaxwell: locally, yes	[18:52]
gmaxwell	(though that only reduces your local storage)	[18:52]
rebroad_	51GB/year = 1GB a week.. hmm. not 1TB then..	[18:52]
SerajewelKS	gmaxwell: AIUI, once you have pruned your local storage you can no longer share affected blocks with anyone, yes?	[18:52]
ageis	merkle trees ppl	[18:52]
rebroad_	SerajewelKS, that depends entirely on the pruning option	[18:53]
gmaxwell	SerajewelKS: only if they trust you— they can't validate the history just that data.	[18:53]
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SerajewelKS	rebroad_: the inter-client communication will always deal with unpruned blocks	[18:53]
SerajewelKS	gmaxwell: right. that's my point, and rebroad_ doesn't seem to grasp this.	[18:53]
SerajewelKS	a block's identity /is/ its data. if you prune the data, you change the block's identity.	[18:53]
SerajewelKS	period. end of story.	[18:54]
ptresor	ok thanks	[18:54]
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rebroad_	SerajewelKS, yes. but I'm suggesting multiple idendities	[18:54]
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rebroad_	maybe two, concurrent identities	[18:54]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: a block's identity is the double-SHA256 of its header	[18:54]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: that means that the block's identity is computed from the block's data	[18:55]
ageis	rebroad_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hash_tree	[18:55]
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rebroad_	if it helps, you could consider it two chains.. but with corresponding blocks	[18:55]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: ok. if i accept that, i still can't verify the pruned chain without the full chain.	[18:55]
rebroad_	like a database, a linked table	[18:55]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: so i could only use a pruned chain if i implicitly trust the node i obtained it from	[18:56]
rebroad_	you can if you copy the chain, and then the old one becomes redundant	[18:56]
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SerajewelKS	rebroad_: go read satoshi's paper, please	[18:56]
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SerajewelKS	rebroad_: until you do, you won't realize how silly you sound to everyone else	[18:57]
rebroad_	SerajewelKS, what other choice is there?	[18:57]
rebroad_	according to Gregory Maxwell, the maximum block size will be too small	[18:57]
rebroad_	so how else will it be increased?	[18:57]
gmaxwell	Say what?	[18:58]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: the client can be modified to accept larger blocks	[18:58]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: the block size limit is artificial	[18:58]
rebroad_	"The system could also not get to this kind of scale without bitcoin users agreeing collectively to increase the maximum block size, so it's not an outcome that can happen without the consent of bitcoin users."	[18:58]
gmaxwell	You're mistaking my position there—	[18:58]
rebroad_	ah, sorry.. (probably not the first time I've done that)	[18:59]
gmaxwell	I think that the idea that bitcoin should handle visa's peak transaction rate is a spurrious goal.	[18:59]
SerajewelKS	well, i need to go get some lunch	[18:59]
SerajewelKS	rebroad_: i would strongly suggest that you read more about how bitcoin actually works. suggesting things without a clear understanding of the structure of the system is not helpful.	[18:59]
gmaxwell	Bitcoin != visa. You don't need a world wide cryptographic system to secure every glass of coke you buy.	[18:59]
rebroad_	I agree... I think it should handle greater than that.	[18:59]
Blitzboom	sup gmaxwell	[18:59]
*	AnonX Want: 10btc, Have: EUR/USD MB(Skrill), Paypal, USD Pokerstars, EUR Minted Poker. Traded 10btc with Sturles today	[19:00]
gmaxwell	rebroad_: I think thats silly.	[19:00]
rebroad_	gmaxwell, well, some would argue you don't need a world wide crytographic system at all	[19:00]
gmaxwell	I think I was pretty clear about my position, I'm sad you didn't read all of it.	[19:01]
gmaxwell	Second, and most importantly, the assumed scaling described here deals with Bitcoin replacing visa. This is a poor comparison because bitcoin alone is not a perfect replacement for visa for reasons completely unrelated to scaling: Bitcoin does not offer instant transactions, credit, or various anti-fraud mechanisms (which some people want, even if not everyone does), for example. Bitcoin is a more complete replacement for checks, wire transfe	[19:01]
gmaxwell	Bitcoin users sometimes gloss over this fact too quickly because people are too quick to call it a flaw but this is unfair. No one system is ideal for all usage and Bitcoin has a broader spectrum of qualities than most monetary instruments. If the bitcoin community isn't willing to point out some things would better be done by other systems then it becomes easy to make strawman arguments: If we admit that bitcoin could be used as a floor wax	[19:01]
ageis	rebroad_ bitcoins have value because we all know how many there are and the rate at which new blocks are generated	[19:01]
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Blitzboom	gmaxwell: you think that visa will be built on top of bitcoin, yes?	[19:02]
gmaxwell	Blitzboom: Yes.	[19:02]
rebroad_	ah..	[19:02]
rebroad_	that does make more sense	[19:02]
gmaxwell	And that people will continue to use visa for buying soda pop— though visa will have to become more competative since people would have the alternative of using bitcoin directly.	[19:03]
rebroad_	it's been often talked about the last couple of weeks about bitcoin replacing visa.. but yes, that makes more sense	[19:03]
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Blitzboom	i say we take a bit of a more modest goal	[19:03]
gmaxwell	rebroad_: The fact that it _could_ (wave arms) do it doesn't mean thats the best idea.	[19:03]
ageis	who would seriously propagate that notion O.o	[19:03]
Blitzboom	how about replacing MMORPG gold	[19:03]
rebroad_	so. is there a need for a bitcoinvisa then, that fits nicely alongside bitcoin and can be used for buying cans of coke?	[19:04]
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Blitzboom	no	[19:04]
gmaxwell	rebroad_: Maybe!	[19:05]
ageis	there is need for many bitcoin-related services	[19:05]
gmaxwell	Visa itself as is with no modification could be used this way.	[19:05]
Blitzboom	i would say it would be unprofitable to develop and deploy it for 5k people all over the world	[19:05]
gmaxwell	Or you could make a decentralized system for settling debts- like ripple.	[19:05]
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gmaxwell	But even if you do, adoption curves mean that if bitcoin is to go big it would need support from existing payment processors to at least take off.	[19:06]
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Blitzboom	bitcoin adoption curve: ____________________ :D	[19:06]
Rebroad	so, at the moment, miners get BTC for mining... but these full-nodes, which will be costly... how will they be reimbursed for the burden of hosting a full-node?	[19:07]
Blitzboom	they won’t	[19:07]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: if the limit stays at 1MB they aren't particularly costly.	[19:07]
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ageis	rebroad: txn fees	[19:07]
Rebroad	what would need to happen for the 1MB limit to be too small?	[19:07]
Blitzboom	ageis: no, only miners receive fees	[19:07]
Blitzboom	you don’t get any for relaying transactions	[19:08]
ageis	right misunderstood	[19:08]
ageis	his q	[19:08]
Rebroad	the "red balloon" paper did suggest txn fees though... didn't it?	[19:08]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: if people try to use bitcoin as visa then it's hard to make a limit big enough.	[19:08]
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gmaxwell	If they only use it as the electronic gold backing other things like visa and ripple, then the 1MB limit may be fine for a very long time	[19:08]
Blitzboom	i would love to have this kind of problem	[19:08]
Rebroad	is it possible to buy 30000BTC without raising the BTC price?	[19:08]
Blitzboom	Rebroad: yes	[19:09]
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Blitzboom	if you find a person that will sell them to you without demanding a higher price	[19:09]
helo	gmaxwell: won't a high transaction volume be important once the reward drops off?	[19:09]
helo	i.e. so transaction fees will keep miners mining	[19:09]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: the red balloon paper is kinda sad. They're solving a non-problem with a non-solution, though its a pretty smart non-solution.	[19:09]
Rebroad	and if the exchange rate of bitcoins does go up due to deflation... will a 0.0005BTC tx fee seem like a lot in the future?	[19:10]
gmaxwell	helo: miners will mine regardless.	[19:10]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: if the exchange rate goes up we'll require lower fees.	[19:10]
Rebroad	ah... does my bitcoin-qt client know that?	[19:10]
gmaxwell	(the anti-dos fees just implementation behavior, not a protocol rule, — they used to be 0.01 but we changed them to 0.0005 a year ago)	[19:10]
helo	people will invest in increasingly expensive hardware and spend money on electricity regardless of whether they are companesated directly?	[19:10]
helo	s/expensive/fast/	[19:11]
helo	compensated :/	[19:11]
Rebroad	maybe the bitcoin-qt client needs to be able to check the exchange rate in order to better determine a proper tx fee	[19:11]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: it would have to be upgraded. We first do an update which lowers the fees they'll relay... then another update that lowers the fees they apply.	[19:11]
gmaxwell	helo: where are you coming up with increasingly?	[19:11]
Blitzboom	>maybe the bitcoin-qt client needs to be able to check the exchange rate	[19:11]
Blitzboom	no	[19:11]
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gmaxwell	helo: nothing makes the difficulty increase except more mining. The system is closed-loop.	[19:11]
Blitzboom	bad idea	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	i see this is progressing nicely...	[19:12]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: nah, centeralization— plus the rate isn't what matters as much as the rate imposed by your peers.	[19:12]
Rebroad	well, seems a bit silly to have to hard-code these things when in reality it's based on that	[19:12]
Blitzboom	we cannot trust one exchange	[19:12]
Blitzboom	or any exchange really	[19:12]
Rebroad	i'd rather it was less hard-coded. I want to be able to change it easily without recompliling.	[19:12]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: it's not important that they're particularly exact.. 10:1 changes in the value are okay.	[19:13]
Blitzboom	otherwise we could simply base the monetary policy on the exchange rate too	[19:13]
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helo	gmaxwell: but it must be protected against an attacker's hash rate	[19:13]
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errydayimgenerat	weeee	[19:13]
Blitzboom	bitcoin value went down? print less bitcoins	[19:13]
Blitzboom	value going up? print more	[19:13]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: again, what matters isn't what _you_ have set, its what you peers impose.	[19:13]
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Rebroad	how come I never seem to have to pay a fee when transferring money between mtgox and intersango, for example?	[19:13]
*	AnonX Want: 10btc, Have: EUR/USD MB(Skrill), Paypal, USD Pokerstars, EUR Minted Poker. Traded 10btc with Sturles today	[19:14]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: the fast majority of txn are free under the current rules.	[19:14]
SerajewelKS	ripple still doesn't make much sense to me	[19:14]
Rebroad	if mtgox can transfer money to intersango with no tx fee, then why can't my bitcoin-qt client?	[19:14]
phraust	anyone interested in moneypak for btc?	[19:14]
SerajewelKS	probably because i have no use for it	[19:14]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: it can.	[19:14]
errydayimgenerat	;;eauth errydayimgenerat	[19:14]
Rebroad	oh..	[19:14]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: the anti-dos rules only make you pay a fee if you're moving recently moved inputs. If you have a wallet with many mature inputs you often won't pay any fee.	[19:14]
Rebroad	I've not worked out how to do that yet..	[19:14]
Rebroad	well, they've had about 900 confirmations, so they're not that recent..	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	I think I was pretty clear about my position, I'm sad you didn't read all of it. <<< i hold jcpham personally responsible for this waste of time.	[19:15]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: or if you are moving a very small amount of money. if you received 0.02 an hour ago and you send 0.01 to someone else, you're going to be waiting a while for that one to confirm unless you pay a fee	[19:15]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: the rule is 144 confirmations per bitcoin of input, basically.	[19:15]
hotinbit	anyone looking for a Paypal or moneypak................................................i am looking for BTC or LR	[19:16]
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hotinbit	paying 5.10 $ for 1 BTC	[19:16]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: so if you have a txn with a two btc input, that input will have needed 72 confirms for the txn to be free.	[19:16]
helo	gmaxwell: as new hardware becomes available that allows attackers to generate more hashing power more cheaply, the network's hash rate will need to go up to stay protected from >50% attacks, no?	[19:16]
Rebroad	what about a 0.005BTC input?	[19:16]
SerajewelKS	helo: presumably, miners will adopt that same hardware	[19:16]
Rebroad	(the faucet)	[19:17]
Rebroad	actually.. rather than transfer the BTC, it would make more sense to import the wallet...	[19:17]
helo	SerajewelKS: gmaxwell claimed that miners won't need to invest in faster hashing hardware in the future (so miner rewards/fees aren't important)	[19:17]
errydayimgenerat	selling btc or mtgox usd for wells fargo money	[19:17]
Rebroad	there needs to be a way to have multiple wallets in the bitcoin-qt client...	[19:17]
gmaxwell	If it has 0.5 in input, then it would need 288 bc to be free. ... 0.005 28800 .. if thats the only input.	[19:17]
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gmaxwell	helo: " as new hardware becomes available" will also make the honest miners faster.	[19:18]
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SerajewelKS	helo: well, your chances of receiving a reward or fees from a block are based on the proportion of your hashing power to the network as a whole...	[19:18]
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SerajewelKS	helo: so it is in the miner's best interest to have as much hashing power, as cheaply as possible	[19:18]
helo	gmaxwell: only if they invest in the new hardware	[19:18]
Rebroad	well, multiple addresses.. it already has.. so ideally there ought to be a way to import a private key from another wallet and have them all stored together..	[19:18]
jcpham	how can you hold me responsible and i'm not even here	[19:18]
jcpham	got little icons dancing on my screen	[19:19]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: there are some third-party utilities that can do a wallet merge	[19:19]
helo	if the mining reward is very small, and transaction volume isn't high enough for fees to compensate, miners won't have the money to buy faster hardware	[19:19]
SerajewelKS	Rebroad: i don't remember where they are though	[19:19]
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Rebroad	SerajewelKS, yes.. a wallet merge... i like that term	[19:19]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: in any case, there is a straight forward formula and the net result is that if a txn is recycling recently used coins it will end up needing to pay a fee, and if its not it won't.	[19:19]
gmaxwell	You can import and export keys today.	[19:20]
gmaxwell	(it's just not exposed in the GUI, it's a cli/rpc option)	[19:20]
nanotube	AnonX: hey, so last time we talked, you said you had backups of gpg at another location... did you ever get your hands on that?	[19:20]
helo	SerajewelKS: you kind of missed the first statement i made... 'won't a high transaction volume be important once the reward drops off?'	[19:20]
AnonX	no nano	[19:20]
AnonX	please sell me 10btc	[19:20]
SerajewelKS	manipulation of bitcoin's data files (like wallets) are made difficult by the fact that they use an outdated and cryptic database format that is a royal pain in the ass to manipulate, even with libraries	[19:20]
SerajewelKS	helo: well, let's put it this way	[19:20]
Rebroad	gmaxwell, hmmm... I've still not got the rpc bit working yet :-s	[19:20]
AnonX	and wtf why are people having the longest discussion in nato here	[19:20]
SerajewelKS	helo: if the transaction volume is not high, there won't be much point in attacking the network	[19:20]
AnonX	its supposed to be a channel about trading	[19:20]
gmaxwell	SerajewelKS: where were you when jgarzik was arguing against dropping bdb for the wallet in #bitcoin-dev the other day?	[19:20]
Rebroad	are all wallets written in C++? I fancy rewriting it in D	[19:21]
SerajewelKS	gmaxwell: i've always been against bdb :)	[19:21]
gmaxwell	oh crap, I'm sorry I thought this was #bitcoin.	[19:21]
gmaxwell	bleh.	[19:21]
nanotube	AnonX: it's also a channel for people to talk and get to know each other. :)	[19:21]
errydayimgenerat	selling btc or mtgox usd for wells fargo -> wells fargo bankwire	[19:21]
Rebroad	lol	[19:21]
gmaxwell	(I'd still prefer to use #bitcoin for this stuff!)	[19:21]
nanotube	AnonX: i'll sell you 10btc if you have libertyreserve. do you have any LR by any chance?	[19:21]
errydayimgenerat	i need moneys	[19:21]
SerajewelKS	gmaxwell: at least sqlite or something... with sqlite you can run a single command-line program and be able to query the databases directly using sql.	[19:21]
AnonX	no	[19:21]
AnonX	are u american?	[19:21]
helo	SerajewelKS: not true... if bitcoin is used as "electronic gold" instead of "distributed visa", there could be high demand but ~low transaction rate	[19:22]
nanotube	AnonX: i'm in the usa yes	[19:22]
SerajewelKS	gmaxwell: with dbd you have to write some C/perl/python, and the bdb API is beyond horrible. it is a nightmare for a newcomer to even understand.	[19:22]
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AnonX	can i pm	[19:22]
nanotube	gmaxwell: indeed, but as far as discussions go, this one is one of the better ones :D	[19:22]
SerajewelKS	helo: an attack in that case wouldn't disrupt very much	[19:22]
helo	i guess if it is used as "electronic gold" (implying the value is very high, but it isn't used for everyday purchasing), the low volume of transactions could still have high fees	[19:22]
gmaxwell	helo: right.	[19:22]
gmaxwell	relatively speaking.	[19:23]
SerajewelKS	helo: if the hardware to attack the network is /that/ expensive then the only thing that would make it worth an attacker's while would be to DoS the network and hold it for ransom	[19:23]
gmaxwell	SerajewelKS: but then it becomes in the users interest to pay more in fees just for the sake of buying security for their currency.	[19:23]
SerajewelKS	helo: if it's cost-effective for attackers, it's probably cost-effective for miners too	[19:23]
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SerajewelKS	gmaxwell: that too	[19:23]
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phraust	errydayimgenerat, not interested in moneypak?	[19:24]
gmaxwell	SerajewelKS: moreover, if it's cost effective for attackers it's _more_ cost effective for the honest users— because the honest users work togeather towards a common goal (the honest history), while attackers are small kind of by definition.	[19:24]
errydayimgenerat	i kind of need som e money quicker than that	[19:24]
gmaxwell	(if you 'attack' in a way that benefits most people, thats not much of an 'attack')	[19:24]
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Rebroad	so, the definition of the good guys is that they're the majority, and the bad guys the minority?	[19:24]
SerajewelKS	the only case i could see for where this would be cost-effective for attackers but not for miners would be in the case of someone trying to subvert bitcoin entirely. e.g. governments that don't like it.	[19:24]
phraust	bummer. :(	[19:25]
SerajewelKS	in that case, i agree that specialized hardware would be a danger	[19:25]
errydayimgenerat	unless you got a wells fargo near you mebe	[19:25]
helo	i've always thought that it would have to be concretely useful (i.e. people can purchase everyday things with it) for usage to increase to the point that the value is relatively stable	[19:25]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: you can argue that way! I don't know if its a good argument. But in general, it's not much of an attack if you're doing something that most people agree with..	[19:26]
nanotube	errydayimgenerat: can i make a cash deposit to your wf account? even if i don't have a wf account?	[19:26]
SerajewelKS	helo: shrug... you can't purchase everyday things with gold	[19:26]
errydayimgenerat	yeah	[19:26]
helo	i don't see how it could become viable "electronic gold" with a stable value without mass adoption	[19:26]
helo	SerajewelKS: but it has mass adoption, so the value is stable	[19:26]
gmaxwell	Rebroad: the most classical kind of attack is where you do something that benefits only _you_ or your org, and that puts you against the whole rest of the world.	[19:26]
Rebroad	gmaxwell, seems to be the way many people vote these days...	[19:27]
Blitzboom	AnonX: it's also a channel for people to talk and get to know each other. :)	[19:27]
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Blitzboom	is that official now? offtopic channel? :D	[19:27]
jcpham	as long as it is SFW	[19:27]
nanotube	Blitzboom: see official guidelines linked in topic :)	[19:28]
Blitzboom	cool	[19:29]
helo	the trading-only channel is #bitcoin-pit?	[19:29]
nanotube	helo: yes, that's the strictly-business one	[19:29]
*	AnonX Want: 10btc, Have: EUR/USD MB(Skrill), Paypal, USD Pokerstars, EUR Minted Poker. Traded 10btc with Sturles today	[19:29]
Rebroad	AnonX, I can trade BTC for GBP	[19:30]
AnonX	GBP what	[19:30]
AnonX	paypal?	[19:30]
Rebroad	ummm, BACS	[19:30]
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helo	gmaxwell: so people using bitcoin as a speculation investment will lead to bitcoin being "electronic gold", while businesses accepting bitcoin will lead to it being "distributed visa"?	[19:31]
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errydayimgenerat	fuck	[19:31]
smickles	fuck?	[19:32]
gmaxwell	helo: interesting argument. I see how you're drawing it but I don't know if its true—	[19:32]
jcpham	you spelled little wrong	[19:32]
gmaxwell	helo: I think if people don't to both of those things today then bitcoin will be nothing in the future.	[19:32]
errydayimgenerat	i fucking hate this lapt	[19:32]
helo	i haven't considered the possibility that bitcoin could be stable as an investment mechanism without mass "distributed visa" adoption	[19:32]
Rebroad	isn't "thesexylilgirl" meant to just be on Tuesdays?	[19:32]
gmaxwell	but if bitcoin survives it will find its niche in the future, which might be one or the other. Thought I think bitcoin would make a pretty poor "distributed visa", and becoming one would destroy a lot of what makes bitcoin worth having.	[19:33]
Rebroad	when the wife goes to her bridge games?	[19:33]
gmaxwell	helo: it could easily be if things like visa started supporting doing txn processing on top of it.. but chicken/egg.	[19:33]
helo	gmaxwell: so does "doing both" not lead to massive transaction volume => expensive full node operation?	[19:33]
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gmaxwell	helo: right now we _can't_ have expensive full node operation because the block side is limited as a protocol rule.	[19:33]
gmaxwell	er, s/side/size/	[19:34]
gmaxwell	helo: so you could have casual transactions which will become expensive as the blocks become full... which then encourages the electronic gold behavior.	[19:34]
helo	ahh, that seems reasonable	[19:35]
gmaxwell	(the electronic gold behavior is already encouraged by txn speed)	[19:35]
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Blitzboom	gmaxwell: oh come on, bitcoin already has its niche	[19:35]
Blitzboom	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66776.0	[19:35]
gmaxwell	Blitzboom: creating fodder for tech journalists?	[19:35]
Blitzboom	it’s 1 year old now	[19:36]
gmaxwell	Blitzboom: maybe? I don't think that usage is all that economically significant.	[19:36]
Blitzboom	it’s not so much about what is	[19:36]
Blitzboom	but at what it is pointing will be	[19:36]
helo	it would be interesting if miners included their trusted full-node ip address in their coinbases... if some day running a full node is costly, miners will presumably still be able to afford it	[19:36]
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helo	or addresses	[19:37]
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Blitzboom	(the electronic gold behavior is already encouraged by txn speed)	[19:37]
Blitzboom	please elaborate	[19:37]
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Blitzboom	because of the confirmations necessary?	[19:38]
helo	Blitzboom: 10 minute confirmations is pretty slow for normal purchasing	[19:38]
Blitzboom	ah. of course	[19:38]
Blitzboom	my belief is that first, bitcoin will become a good store of value	[19:38]
Blitzboom	then, it can become a currency	[19:39]
nanotube	well, not everything needs to be /fast/. in person tx at the store, yes. but for ordering online... since you're gonna be waiting for shipping for a day or two at least, anyway	[19:39]
nanotube	it'll work great	[19:39]
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Blitzboom	if it’s no unit of account, it’s simply no use for an economy	[19:39]
Blitzboom	other than a payment mechanism	[19:39]
nanotube	and since an increasing amount of stuff is being done online... bitcoin is well positioned to take that market	[19:39]
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ne1watching	;;view	[19:40]
Blitzboom	nanotube: the only thing i really see has developed is silk road	[19:40]
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Blitzboom	i simply don’t see people just giving up on paypal	[19:41]
helo	that's only because bitcoin is untested relative to paypal/USD	[19:41]
Blitzboom	we need to convert the people who don’t actually have a choice first	[19:41]
Blitzboom	people who can’t use anything except bitcoin	[19:42]
nanotube	Blitzboom: yes that's the reasonable route. :)	[19:42]
helo	over time more people will adopt it and the value will be less prone to bubbles	[19:42]
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Blitzboom	i also think bitcoin severely lacks an organization for PR etc.	[19:43]
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Blitzboom	people like to put their trust in institutions	[19:43]
Blitzboom	i know there are efforts to create a bitcoin foundation, though	[19:44]
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Blitzboom	at least that’s what gavin said	[19:45]
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rg	people keep emailing m,e saying our invoices arent working	[19:47]
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rg	yet i can access them just fine	[19:47]
rawrmage	.t aest	[19:48]
markac	Fri, 02 Mar 2012 03:48:59 AEST	[19:48]
rawrmage	lol	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	a foundation doing pr might be a good thing	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	and the people who have no other options are mostly criminals i imagine.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin should be sold as what it is, the best option of all possible (not all existing, not all available, outright all possible)	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	not as a sort of "well, if not even the loanshark talks to you... come to us"	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	this is not the birth of america here, give us your addicts, your gamblers, your fraudsters.	[19:52]
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rg	;;ticker	[19:58]
gribble	Best bid: 4.95004, Best ask: 4.96321, Bid-ask spread: 0.01317, Last trade: 4.95004, 24 hour volume: 38510, 24 hour low: 4.82129, 24 hour high: 4.98421	[19:58]
rg	;;market buy 3000	[19:58]
gribble	A market order to buy 3000 bitcoins right now would take 14964.3287 USD and would take the last price up to 5.0000 USD.	[19:58]
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errydayimgenerat	fuck	[19:59]
errydayimgenerat	;;eauth errydayimgenerat	[19:59]
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phraust	anyone selling btc for moneypak?	[20:10]
errydayimgenerat	selling mtgox usd for wells fargo -> wells fargo wire	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	why don't you take pp erry!	[20:11]
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rg	cause shes smart	[20:15]
rg	The neighboring gardens of Montague and Capulet are at war, but the gnomes, Gnomeo and Juliet, are in love.	[20:16]
rg	'Gnomeo & Juliet'	[20:16]
errydayimgenerat	because paypal is lame	[20:16]
bruzum	r	[20:16]
rg	paypal serves its purpose	[20:17]
rg	just not for btc	[20:17]
rg	for example. if i was going to buy 150 black 12inch dildos in bulk	[20:18]
rg	id probably use paypal	[20:18]
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Saiga12	Rg see mt pm earlier?	[20:21]
rg	haha yes	[20:21]
rg	resisting the urge to laugh	[20:21]
rg	he's so upset.	[20:21]
rg	this is why i said leave him alone	[20:21]
rg	hes gonna kill himself or something	[20:21]
rg	we're obviously hte only friends he has	[20:21]
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rg	hes in here	[20:23]
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mircea_popescu	all this haet.	[20:24]
rg	itll be fine	[20:25]
rg	people pick on daniel, but people also pick on me	[20:25]
errydayimgenerat	weeeeee	[20:26]
rg	sometimes i get pissed and leave	[20:26]
errydayimgenerat	cause you're a bitch	[20:26]
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phraust	NO BRAKES ON THE RAPRE TRAIN	[20:27]
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phraust	-R	[20:27]
rawrmage	no bakes on the rapre train?	[20:27]
phraust	http://tinyurl.com/6wxzwjn	[20:28]
rawrmage	lol	[20:28]
phraust	http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/5rrj/	[20:29]
errydayimgenerat	rg: you thikn i haven't already taken anything you could possibly dish out?	[20:29]
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errydayimgenerat	i've taken it hard, and rough- really stretching my ability of what i can take. yeah it hurts at time, but if you take it long enough you learn to like it.	[20:30]
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bitcoinTrader	buying LR	[20:33]
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rg	errday: dont insult me	[20:33]
errydayimgenerat	i didn't insult you	[20:34]
rg	anyone know of a multi threaded zip cracking software?	[20:34]
rg	ive just been assigned 5 zip files	[20:34]
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errydayimgenerat	you know i'm only playing :3	[20:35]
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phraust	hashkill?	[20:37]
rg	aha	[20:37]
rg	cheers phraust	[20:37]
phraust	;)	[20:38]
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mircea_popescu	so anyone, gmaxwell, whats the word, is gpumax doing in btc ?	[20:40]
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pirateat40	doing?	[20:42]
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rg	anyone have a link to the ATI OpenCL stuff	[20:43]
rg	that doesnt require me to sign up, etc	[20:43]
ageis	the sdk?	[20:44]
rg	yeah	[20:44]
ageis	ya	[20:44]
ageis	http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/pages/AMDAPPSDKDownloadArchive.aspx	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	pirateat40 that was the contention, wasn't it ? end of bitcoin?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/Uhsz1S3D reference.	[20:45]
pirateat40	oh "doing in"	[20:46]
AnonX	yo bros	[20:46]
pirateat40	lol	[20:46]
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AnonX	where can i check my bitcoin transfer	[20:46]
ageis	rg: ^	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	in your wallet.	[20:46]
btchero2	blockchain.info	[20:46]
AnonX	ty btchero	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	omg!	[20:46]
a5m0	buying: 1x 5970 or 6990, selling: 5 yubikeys, 1 dual 2.8ghz xeon server/computer, pm for details	[20:46]
pirateat40	mircea_popescu, that was a long time ago. I think most people know now that we are not here to hurt anything.	[20:46]
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mircea_popescu	pirateat40 was just curious what the guy had to say about it 3 mo later is all.	[20:47]
pirateat40	ah	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	was here earlier spent coupla hours talking at some random idiot who didn't make sense,	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	was curious if he wants to address an actual point.	[20:47]
pirateat40	mircea_popescu, whats the max limits on your options?	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	what limit do you mean ?	[20:48]
pirateat40	put orders	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	strikes go from 1 to 10 atm	[20:48]
pirateat40	ah	[20:48]
pirateat40	ok	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	why'd you want to buy a put struck over 10 anyway ?	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	i mean i can make it go to 500 but i don't see the point really.	[20:49]
pirateat40	im talking quantity	[20:49]
pirateat40	not price	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	o o	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	you can take ~8k atm, but it's flexible	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	if they sell i just get more capital.	[20:49]
pirateat40	k	[20:49]
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Rawl123	anyone interested in a League of Legends account ? will give more details if anyone wants!	[20:51]
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btchero2	hey pirateat40 is there a reason i shouldn't trade with that guy from india you banned?	[20:52]
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pirateat40	No, he seems legit in wanting to process them, its just that his customers can claim fraud and I just lost one for it.	[20:53]
btchero2	you lost one what?	[20:53]
btchero2	a moneypak?	[20:53]
pirateat40	So tread carefully. He refunded me the BTC but locked up my account for 3 days.	[20:53]
pirateat40	yea	[20:53]
btchero2	oh, ok	[20:54]
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lulzstorm	;;ident lulzstorm	[20:56]
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ptresor	is it ok to trust someone who is 'Currently not authenticated.' ?	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	no.	[20:59]
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AnonX	multiple confirmations and still not showing in my SR account, the f?	[20:59]
ptresor	really? what if they have good ratings?	[20:59]
btchero2	you need 6	[20:59]
btchero2	probably	[20:59]
bitcoinTrader	pirateat40: Mp can be chargebacked?	[21:00]
pirateat40	Yes	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	ptresor if they aren't auth'd there's no link to the ratings.	[21:00]
phraust	really?	[21:00]
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phraust	interesting.	[21:00]
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nanotube	ptresor: authentication proves that they are who they say they are. otherwise they can claim they are /anyone/.	[21:02]
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smickles	fricking isp	[21:03]
smickles	:(	[21:03]
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Mqrius	I want to borrow 200 bitcoins, payback tomorrow before midnight GMT (That's in 29 hours if I'm not mistaken). Who offers me the best rates?	[21:09]
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jcpham	24 hour loan seems risky	[21:10]
Mqrius	why?	[21:10]
Mqrius	getrating Mqrius	[21:10]
Mqrius	;;getrating Mqrius	[21:10]
gribble	User Mqrius, created on Thu Dec 1 07:33:41 2011. Cumulative rating 45, from 24 total ratings. Received ratings: 24 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 24 positive, 2 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Mqrius Currently authenticated from hostmask Mqrius!Mqrius@forecast.student.utwente.nl	[21:10]
tbage	mqrius: what are you putting up as leverage	[21:11]
tbage	i typically require a scan of government identification	[21:11]
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copumpkin	I can co-sign it. If he runs with the coins, you can have them from me	[21:11]
tbage	along with a full frontal nude shot	[21:11]
nan0tube	Send me all your coinz	[21:11]
Mqrius	tbage: My reputation should be enough, I think. I've traded thousands of coins	[21:11]
copumpkin	;;getrating copumpkin	[21:12]
gribble	User copumpkin, created on Mon Jun 20 13:53:19 2011. Cumulative rating 99, from 26 total ratings. Received ratings: 26 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 32 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=copumpkin Currently authenticated from hostmask copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin	[21:12]
tbage	and a picture that says tbage will bag me	[21:12]
tbage	sorry	[21:12]
tbage	nothing personal	[21:12]
nan0tube	;;gettrust imsaguy Mqrius	[21:12]
tbage	just what i require	[21:12]
nan0tube	Trust relationship from user imsaguy to user Mqrius: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 13 via 7 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=imsaguy&dest=Mqrius	[21:12]
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btchero2	If i had 200 now i would do it, Mqrius with a copumpkin backing is pretty safe it seems	[21:12]
imsaguy2	tbage: nothing personal, but wtfay?	[21:13]
tbage	yo man	[21:13]
tbage	if you want 200 coins for 24 hours	[21:13]
tbage	i need a nude pic	[21:13]
imsaguy2	I think maybe you need to troll somewhere else	[21:13]
jcpham	i don't have it to lend. i wasn't implying anything about Mqrius earlier either	[21:13]
tbage	>:( i think if you took it seriously you need to have your head examined.	[21:14]
SerajewelKS	;;gettrust Mqrius	[21:14]
btchero2	but he seriously wants 200 btc and it sucks when trolls interrupt real trading	[21:15]
jcpham	yes	[21:15]
djoot	;;view 7025	[21:15]
gribble	#7025 Thu Mar 1 11:10:25 2012 djoot SELL 50.0 BTC @ 32.858 SEK (bank transfer or cash)	[21:15]
copumpkin	lol	[21:15]
tbage	well the core of my inquiry was what he was putting up as leverage	[21:16]
tbage	do you lend without leverage?	[21:16]
Mqrius	tbage: Yes I do, to trusted people.	[21:16]
nanotube	tbage: the correct word is 'collateral'	[21:16]
jcpham	^	[21:16]
tbage	thanks for being pedantic	[21:16]
jcpham	i caouldn't type it fast enough	[21:16]
copumpkin	nanotube is known as the worst pedant evar	[21:16]
btchero2	seriously though, he is fairly trusted and has a long time user/op backing him. It isn't that big of a deal except most don't have 200 coins laying around to give out	[21:17]
jcpham	generally i'd say btc loans happen without collateral, based on trust	[21:17]
jcpham	see gribble bot	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	there's just a few hours left for subscribing in the 1st ever MPOE IPO (about five)	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	details are here : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	i'll be announcing the closing results in about 6 hours or so .	[21:18]
copumpkin	what the hell, I'm gonna buy some shares	[21:19]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: can I just tell you here and send you some coins?	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	no, email please.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	;gettrust mqrius	[21:19]
Joric	damn market http://i.qkme.me/366ofh.jpg	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	is gribble the ded ?	[21:20]
btchero2	you only had one ;	[21:20]
Joric	any thoughts when it will go back to 4.8	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	well tough luck for you m, if he had dealings i'd have loaned you.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	i don't think this month, joric	[21:21]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: done	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	eee	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	your grandsons will bless your wisdom into their old age	[21:22]
copumpkin	:)	[21:23]
jcpham	how much to play	[21:23]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: once we figure out a good price, I might put more in	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	0.1 is the min jcpham, but read the instructionz.	[21:24]
jcpham	i have to read?	[21:24]
jcpham	i thought i could just send bitcoins somewhere	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin : i imagine the next offering will be more spacy.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	you can, last three digits be 999	[21:24]
Mqrius	Offer is closed by the way. Thanks for the interest guys	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	as in, 1.00000999	[21:24]
nanotube	mircea_popescu: no, gribble is alive, your second semicolon is dead. :)	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	1JPvucRfu3ZzEvfBUQTJwsxMrZjeTqD6zR	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	i noticed nano thanks :)	[21:25]
nanotube	:)	[21:25]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: you gonna offer a larger percentage next time? :P	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	damned, i tried to go ::)	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	yes copumpkin.	[21:25]
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copumpkin	cool	[21:25]
jcpham	i have to translate it too!?!?!	[21:25]
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mircea_popescu	its in english dood	[21:27]
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mircea_popescu	this internet generation, has no spirit of observation.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	mumbles	[21:27]
Mqrius	You should've linked to the simple english wikipage of your proposal.	[21:28]
copumpkin	lol	[21:28]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: how old are you?	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	i thought i did link to the english ?	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	32 cop.	[21:28]
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Mqrius	mircea_popescu: Yeah you did.	[21:29]
jcpham	i'm also 32	[21:29]
jcpham	how coincidental	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	cool beans.	[21:29]
btchero2	mircea_popescu, I am going to need to see proper documentation for your company or I will be forced to report you to the police	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	go ahead btc.	[21:29]
btchero2	:)	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	i will have my wenches find you and fuck you to death.	[21:29]
btchero2	sounds like a plan	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	with a prizewinning cucumber	[21:30]
helo	lol!	[21:30]
jcpham	replace fuck with fist and it gets worse	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	always a barb :)	[21:30]
jcpham	so this thing that' sin this other language	[21:31]
jcpham	how does it work	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	no srsly, did you read the inglish ?	[21:31]
jcpham	i want to but it's long	[21:32]
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btchero2	you need to put a tldr for jcpham	[21:32]
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Mqrius	jcpham: There's a company, with bonds and stocks, you can buy them, and maybe you make money.	[21:32]
Mqrius	Now go read the damn thing :P	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	well don't invest in things you don;'t read eh	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	for the record, i worded x to come up with it and 3x to make it short.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	apparently i'm better at coming up with shit.	[21:33]
jcpham	so email, send whatever with the 3x 9's at the nd got it	[21:34]
smickles	;;ping	[21:34]
mcorlett	mircea_popescu: How much are you up since your inception?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	how do you mean up ?	[21:34]
mcorlett	mircea_popescu: In terms of profits.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	ya pretty much jcpham	[21:35]
jcpham	i'm still reading ;p	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	~300 btc EBITDA, about 150 net.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	there's a statement in there too if you care to look at the numbers mcorlett	[21:36]
mcorlett	I'd love to have a look!	[21:36]
ocminer	im selling 10 btc for 45 ppusd	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	>> http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745	[21:36]
ocminer	sold	[21:37]
a5m0	;seen imsaguy	[21:37]
a5m0	;;seen imsaguy	[21:37]
gribble	imsaguy was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 14 hours, 10 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: but not all clients are that nice.	[21:37]
imsaguy2	sup dawg?	[21:37]
imsaguy2	delivered?	[21:37]
imsaguy2	I haven't checked.	[21:37]
a5m0	out for delivery	[21:37]
imsaguy2	on my way home now	[21:37]
imsaguy2	:)	[21:37]
a5m0	well they should get there sometime today then	[21:37]
imsaguy2	usps is slow iwth updates	[21:38]
a5m0	for sure	[21:38]
imsaguy2	I'm guessing they are there now	[21:38]
imsaguy2	I'll let you know in 30	[21:38]
a5m0	i'm happy they got there so fast though	[21:38]
imsaguy2	me too ;)	[21:38]
a5m0	got my money's worth out of that shipping	[21:38]
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a5m0	that would be like 3 days for parcel post, which is the same time frame as priority mail	[21:39]
arij	any one buyin?	[21:39]
imsaguy2	buying what?	[21:39]
arij	btc	[21:39]
imsaguy2	a5m0, yeah	[21:39]
arij	from me	[21:39]
imsaguy2	via?	[21:39]
arij	pp	[21:39]
a5m0	buying: 1x 5970 or 6990	[21:39]
arij	ill send first	[21:39]
imsaguy2	how many/much?	[21:39]
arij	if your record is good	[21:39]
arij	lemme check	[21:39]
imsaguy2	sorry, record sucks	[21:39]
imsaguy2	j/k	[21:39]
arij	5.25000000 BTC	[21:39]
arij	its in my mt cox account	[21:40]
arij	so	[21:40]
imsaguy2	;;tell arij getrating imsaguy	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	mt cox lol	[21:40]
arij	hehe	[21:40]
imsaguy2	;;tell arij [getrating imsaguy]	[21:40]
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rg	who here has a really fast video card	[21:42]
rg	and wants to try cracking a .zip	[21:42]
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rg	and can practice discretion of the contents	[21:42]
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`g_	cp spotted	[21:43]
squirgly	really	[21:43]
squirgly	do tell	[21:43]
arij	squirgly was i talking to u yesterday	[21:43]
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squirgly	no	[21:44]
rg	what `g_ ?	[21:44]
arij	ah i think it was sgornick never mind	[21:44]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63257.msg777406#msg777406 lmao she's riling ppl up	[21:47]
btchero2	rg are you paying for this service	[21:47]
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rg	btchero: obviously	[21:52]
rg	its just some docs in a language you cant even read most likely	[21:53]
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rg	but first you need to see if hashkill-gpu works	[21:53]
btchero2	Ok, I can try it if you want	[21:53]
rg	on your system	[21:53]
rg	download and install it, create a zip file iwht a password	[21:53]
rg	do hashkill-gpu -pzip -f file.zip	[21:53]
btchero2	ok, let me hop on my miner real quick ill mesage you	[21:53]
rg	http://www.gat3way.eu/hashkill/hashkill-0.2.4-x86_64.tgz	[21:53]
a5m0	has anyone tried the new scrypt miner for ltc that the solidcoin guys released?	[21:55]
a5m0	i only have an nvidia gpu so i can't test if it's real	[21:55]
a5m0	only runs on ati	[21:55]
BTCHero	btchero linux only?	[21:56]
BTCHero	lol	[21:56]
BTCHero	rg linux only?	[21:56]
nanotube	doesn't everyone run linux? :P	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	some people use bsd	[21:56]
BTCHero	you would think, but some of us aren't that cool	[21:57]
a5m0	i've never met anyone that was a serious bsd addict	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	i have	[21:57]
BTCHero	not that that file would work for me anyway since it is a 32 bit machine anyway... gasp	[21:57]
a5m0	i run openbsd on my router but that's about it	[21:57]
nanotube	mircea_popescu: bsd has linux compat ;)	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	in that sense women have men compat.	[21:57]
nanotube	yes they do	[21:57]
a5m0	LOL	[21:57]
nanotube	heh	[21:57]
gheorghe	i was a bsd "addict", now I mostly run windows	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, this person never ran anything else as far as i could tell, and was...well... a little unkempt.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	o hai gheorghe	[21:58]
gheorghe	hai2u	[21:58]
jcpham	i'll run hashkill, but i need repayment for mining operation downtime	[21:59]
BTCHero	he said he was paying	[21:59]
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BTCHero	I would hope at least enough to cover that	[21:59]
jcpham	these words are burning my eyes today	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	suffer infidel	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	the mighty excoriations of CAPITAL	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	buuuurn	[22:00]
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rg	you mine in windoze?	[22:01]
rg	haha	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	he gets blue screen of bitcoin	[22:01]
a5m0	i mined on server 2008 r2, perfect uptime	[22:01]
rg	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493464/	[22:01]
rg	^^ wasnt bad	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	apparently 2008 are decent	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	i never ran one	[22:02]
Joric	rg, i liked ascii-compatible looms	[22:03]
rg	haha yeah Joric	[22:03]
rg	but as far as action movies from comic books go	[22:04]
rg	it was decent	[22:04]
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rg	wow	[22:04]
Joric	if Fight Club and Matrix had a retarded child, this would be it	[22:04]
rg	they make 75 million dollars from that movie	[22:04]
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rg	made*	[22:04]
rg	Budget:	[22:05]
rg	$75,000,000 (estimated)	[22:05]
rg	Gross:	[22:05]
rg	$134,294,280 (USA) (14 September 2008)	[22:05]
rg	'Piracy is ruining the movie industry!'	[22:05]
Meat	fight club was such a good movie...	[22:05]
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rg	i enjoyed fight club the first 100 times	[22:06]
rg	now its on every other week on tv	[22:06]
helo	:D	[22:06]
Meat	rules 1 & 2	[22:06]
rg	'people like this? well, we better beat it into the ground.. until its gasping for breath begging to be put out of its misery'	[22:06]
Joric	http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/695/wantedascii.jpg <- 01010010 R (0x52) etc	[22:06]
Meat	^wat?	[22:07]
*	mircea_popescu doesn't watch tv, doesn't have that problem	[22:07]
rg	i dont either	[22:07]
Meat	Isn't this suppose to be about bitcoins...Don't get me wrong, fight club is great but...	[22:07]
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helo	only if someone has something to say about bitcoin :)	[22:08]
Meat	800 MS points...How many bitcoins could I get?	[22:08]
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rg	mircea_popescu: you are so ... whats the word im looking for .. 'Pomposo'	[22:09]
bitcoinTrader	Any1 selling LR?	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	cause i don't watch tv ?	[22:09]
rg	'i dont watch tv... im better than you'	[22:09]
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mircea_popescu	i didn't say i was better than you eh.	[22:09]
arij	ay?	[22:09]
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rg	i cant think of the word im looking for	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	i think you might be lumping me with other people who don't watch tv	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	but really, we're not a race. it's just random ppl.	[22:10]
rg	seriously	[22:11]
rg	i need to stop eating cheese burgers	[22:11]
jcpham	where's this zip file	[22:11]
Joric	i had no tv before it was cool	[22:12]
helo	i want no tv :(	[22:12]
helo	the wife is a tv addict	[22:12]
helo	thinks me watching the tv shows she likes is "spending time together"	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	when was that joric ?	[22:13]
errydayimgenerat	weeeee	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	helo : take her from behind while she gazez into the tube.	[22:13]
helo	indeed!	[22:13]
Joric	mircea_popescu, very long time ago, 2000 maybe even earlier	[22:14]
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mircea_popescu	likes this new world where the 90s are even longer than very long ago.	[22:15]
*	mircea_popescu is also pretty sure the last thing he saw on tv was clinton's inauguration	[22:16]
helo	what about the 90's was particularly bad (or at least worse than previous decades)?	[22:16]
Joric	fuck 90s, there was no computers	[22:17]
jcpham	i had prodgy	[22:17]
helo	more computers than previous decades	[22:17]
jcpham	we downloaded wolensteain 3d shareware	[22:17]
jcpham	it was leet	[22:17]
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helo	i was in good shape in the 90s	[22:18]
errydayimgenerat	there were puters in90s	[22:18]
errydayimgenerat	imho 90s was golden age of pc gaming	[22:18]
jcpham	like night trap	[22:18]
errydayimgenerat	mid 90s espescially	[22:19]
errydayimgenerat	like 92-98	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	wolf 3d kicked butt	[22:19]
gheorghe	the 90s had cocojambo and macarena	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	+1 on the computer gaming. heroes 2.	[22:19]
jcpham	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Trap	[22:19]
errydayimgenerat	of might and magic mircea_popescu ?	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	yes of might and magic.	[22:20]
errydayimgenerat	hehe	[22:20]
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errydayimgenerat	i played 1 2 and 3	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	best game ever made.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	3 was not bad either	[22:20]
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errydayimgenerat	4 was ehhh	[22:20]
errydayimgenerat	5 was p cool	[22:20]
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mircea_popescu	1 was kinda 2 beta. and 4 suced balls omg.	[22:20]
errydayimgenerat	3 was awesome	[22:20]
errydayimgenerat	1 was solid too	[22:21]
errydayimgenerat	even though the warlock people were overpowered	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	well no see ? that's a problem	[22:21]
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nicksy34	j	[22:22]
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errydayimgenerat	but yeah	[22:25]
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errydayimgenerat	90s gaming just had like, the most innovation and exploration in gaming too	[22:26]
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helo	all of the base genres were ironed out	[22:26]
errydayimgenerat	now all the genres are like, laws almost, and a game has to fit up to everything	[22:26]
BTCHero	;;view	[22:26]
gribble	#7026 Thu Mar 1 12:26:39 2012 BTCHero SELL 39.0 btc @ 200 Moneypak (None)	[22:26]
helo	indie games are doing well now, which has allowed a lot of genre bending	[22:26]
[\\\]	Oh yeah; to everything thinking I scammed saiga: I refunded him	[22:27]
helo	touch, motion interfaces	[22:27]
BTCHero	why was it broken?	[22:27]
jcpham	bahaaa [\\\]	[22:27]
BTCHero	I don't think anyone thinks you scammed him	[22:27]
rg	wait what the fuck	[22:27]
jcpham	i'd say dan suared got the scamhammer	[22:28]
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rg	19:43 <`g_> cp spotted	[22:28]
rg	are you implying that my zip archive contains child pornography	[22:28]
BTCHero	seriously danieldaniel why did you refund him?	[22:28]
rg	cause if thats what you're saying	[22:28]
rg	i am deeply offended	[22:28]
ineededausername	lol what zip archive	[22:28]
rg	ineededausername: work asked me to crack 5 .zip archives	[22:29]
jcpham	the one we're trying to hax	[22:29]
rg	and i dont have OpenCL, etc setup on this box	[22:29]
rg	and it doesnt appear to want ot be setup	[22:29]
jcpham	i did setup hashkill	[22:29]
rg	jcpham: did you test that the zip module works	[22:29]
rg	with gpu?	[22:29]
jcpham	way back when that link was posted	[22:29]
rg	we're having trouble getting it to work on our lab machines	[22:30]
jcpham	what's the switch for that	[22:30]
rg	but those machines are all hacked to mine bitcoins	[22:30]
rg	:P	[22:30]
rg	umm	[22:30]
rg	hashkill-gpu -pzip -f file.zip	[22:30]
rg	create a test zip with a password	[22:30]
jcpham	i don't make a lot of zip's from terminal i admit	[22:30]
rg	ok hangon	[22:31]
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jcpham	got it	[22:32]
jcpham	-e	[22:32]
rg	yeah	[22:33]
rg	cp /etc/hosts . ; zip hosts.zip hosts -e	[22:33]
jcpham	Username: Hash: Preimage:	[22:34]
jcpham	-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------	[22:34]
jcpham	hosts.zip ZIP file 12345	[22:34]
jcpham	ownaged	[22:34]
rg	so it does work	[22:34]
rg	ok	[22:34]
rg	msg	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_xYpLc6Gp8 << doctors mine too.	[22:35]
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rg	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP1-YhwwAbM	[22:39]
rg	thats what romanians do all day	[22:39]
Joric	bitcoinica just hit 5.00	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	usually she does that post-cock	[22:43]
Joric	sorry it already was 5.0 for a while i woke up late	[22:43]
Joric	http://charts.bitcoinica.com/daily_quotes	[22:44]
rg	;;ticker	[22:45]
gribble	Best bid: 4.951, Best ask: 4.97756, Bid-ask spread: 0.02656, Last trade: 4.951, 24 hour volume: 41258, 24 hour low: 4.82129, 24 hour high: 4.98888	[22:45]
rg	;;asks 5.01	[22:45]
gribble	There are currently 8717.6803 bitcoins offered at or under 5.01 USD, worth 43541.2776014 USD in total.	[22:45]
rg	;;asks 5.00	[22:45]
gribble	There are currently 8264.7643 bitcoins offered at or under 5.0 USD, worth 41273.4678234 USD in total.	[22:45]
rg	not bad	[22:45]
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Joric	google mentioning bitcoins on the last keynote http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4DKLSO8wYzk#t=2048s	[22:47]
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BTCHero	what what is this interest thing on bitcoinica? I have to pay interest now?	[22:48]
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vragnaroda	BTCHero: All are bitcoin are belong to zhoutong.	[22:49]
BTCHero	I was thinking about throwing some btc in there then I log in and it is like VERIFY INTEREST... So I'm going back into my hole	[22:50]
arij	so whos buyin 5.25 btc from me for PP	[22:50]
arij	?	[22:50]
Joric	yep zhou decided that artificially ajusted exchange rates were not profitable enough	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	arij : i might	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	;;ident arij	[22:50]
gribble	Nick 'arij', with hostmask 'arij!48e18843@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.225.136.67', is not identified.	[22:50]
phraust	Anyone looking for MoneyPak?	[22:50]
arij	if u have a good record ill send it first	[22:50]
BTCHero	;;view	[22:52]
gribble	#7026 Thu Mar 1 12:26:39 2012 BTCHero SELL 39.0 btc @ 200 Moneypak (None)	[22:52]
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phraust	;;view	[22:53]
gribble	#7009 Wed Feb 29 17:18:46 2012 phraust SELL 1.0 MoneyPak @ 201.21 BTC (I have 3x $1,000.00 MoneyPaks, looking for trusted sellers.)	[22:53]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate arij 1 tiny btc sale, he sent first.	[22:55]
arij	:)	[22:55]
rg	yo quiro movies	[22:55]
copumpkin	by the way, I sent mircea_popescu 10000 btc for his IPO so don't even bother sending him any more cause you'll get nothing	[22:56]
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mircea_popescu	you know anyone can check how much is in the ipo right ?	[22:56]
copumpkin	shush you	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:56]
Joric	OMG	[22:57]
Joric	sky is falling	[22:57]
Joric	*bitcoin	[22:57]
Joric	false alarm	[22:57]
inau2	huh	[22:58]
inau2	darn	[22:58]
inau2	;;ticker	[22:58]
gribble	Best bid: 4.91098, Best ask: 4.91999, Bid-ask spread: 0.00901, Last trade: 4.91999, 24 hour volume: 42026, 24 hour low: 4.82129, 24 hour high: 4.98888	[22:58]
inau2	NOOOOOOO SKY IS FALLING	[22:58]
Joric	well 4.9	[22:58]
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inau2	man, someone has to ruin the price every time it's about to go up	[22:58]
inau2	lol	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:58]
*	mircea_popescu likes price stability.	[22:58]
vragnaroda	Don't fucking shout.	[22:58]
Cusipzzz	confirmed tanking	[22:58]
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Joric	bitcoinica doesn't give a shit about tanking, it lags as crazy, upper limit is still above 5	[22:59]
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mircea_popescu	o wow, im curious if the ipo goes over 100 btc.	[23:03]
jurov	maybe it will, i just sent not so small amount	[23:04]
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mircea_popescu	your grandsons will bless your wisdom in their old age.	[23:06]
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jurov	maybe.. if i was not gay	[23:06]
Joric	http://charts.bitcoinica.com/ demons!	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin, you got overbid badly baby :D	[23:07]
Joric	i've seen it before, it's called zhou function	[23:07]
[\\\]	mircea_popescu: how many shares am I getting?	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	your subscription / total subscribed * 1mn	[23:08]
imsaguy	anyone that uses linode for your bitcoind... get it off now	[23:08]
imsaguy	like ASAP	[23:08]
imsaguy	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66916	[23:08]
inau2	yeah faucet got hacked and slush too	[23:08]
inau2	the thief has 25k in his wallet :O	[23:08]
arij	gribble	[23:09]
arij	where the link so i can do pgp	[23:09]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: I'm gonna murder whoever it was	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	wowza	[23:09]
arij	gpg	[23:09]
arij	the guide	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	;;tell arij [guide]	[23:09]
arij	;;thanks	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	;;lolz	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	wtf happened there imsaguy	[23:10]
rawrmage	uh oh	[23:10]
rg	wow	[23:11]
imsaguy	basically, it appears there's either a vuln in linode's web manager or there's a rogue admin	[23:11]
rg	only if they used bitvps	[23:11]
rg	but seriously	[23:11]
rg	thats fucking gay	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	i bet badly set up machine	[23:11]
rawrmage	poor slush :(	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	neither linode nor actual rogue admin	[23:11]
rg	micrea..	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	just, the machine got rooted.	[23:11]
rg	read teh post	[23:11]
imsaguy	mircea_popescu: it was many bitcoind instances	[23:11]
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imsaguy	mircea_popescu: obviously you didn't read	[23:11]
rg	multiple customers got owned	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	ok ok im reading	[23:12]
rawrmage	that really sucks for him	[23:12]
rawrmage	wow	[23:12]
slush	:'(	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	jesus support people are useless	[23:13]
rawrmage	slush: :(	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	sorry to hear slush	[23:13]
rg	Linode confirmed that it was their fault, see bottom of pastebin.	[23:13]
rg	So far it looks like superadmin account of Linode Manager leaked, which also explains why there was no login attempt to my account, although there was job for restart & password change.	[23:13]
Cusipzzz	sorry to hear it slush, Actually pretty amazed they admitted it. Most won't.	[23:13]
rg	welp	[23:13]
rg	time to start chipping in for a lawyer	[23:13]
rg	for slush to fucking sue linode	[23:13]
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imsaguy	hell yes	[23:13]
imsaguy	sue the bastards	[23:13]
Joric	wtf? faucet got hacked? i worry for ragecoin	[23:14]
rg	;;calc 4500 * 4.89	[23:14]
gribble	22005	[23:14]
rg	We appreciate your business and certainly want to keep you as a happy and satisfied customer. If there is anything we can do to make this up to you, certainly let us know.	[23:15]
rg	uh give me $20k.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	lol ya	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	well, 12k	[23:15]
imsaguy	;;calc 25000 * [ticker --last]	[23:15]
gribble	122880.75	[23:15]
imsaguy	thats how much in that stolen wallet	[23:15]
rg	welp	[23:15]
rg	looks like Linode is about to lose a LOT of business	[23:15]
rg	read that fucking post, its disgusting	[23:16]
rg	all they do is say 'its your fault'	[23:16]
rg	'its your fault'	[23:16]
rg	'oh its our fault . SRY lol'	[23:16]
inau2	wow...	[23:16]
Joric	sorry guys someone hacked ragecoin... they stole everything...	[23:17]
inau2	i hope the business goes to bitvps ;)	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	yeah rg.	[23:17]
rawrmage	imsaguy: so pretty much /everyone/ should move off of linode, if they have something there, no?	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	get one month free service!	[23:17]
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arij	mircea_popescu: i did it	[23:19]
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arij	i think	[23:19]
vragnaroda	rawrmage: I'd suggest that.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	ok, so now login arij	[23:19]
rg	im posting it on webhostingtalk	[23:19]
rg	that they got owned	[23:19]
vragnaroda	(Unless they compensate everyone.)	[23:19]
[\\\]	oh god	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	people should be out of linode yes	[23:19]
Cusipzzz	yeah, new bitvps promo: our control panel sucks so no worries about hacking, come try it!" :)	[23:19]
rg	shutup it doesnt suck	[23:19]
rg	its just not finished	[23:19]
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Cusipzzz	rg: i kid, i kid	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	jesus cusipzzz you running in the acidic competition or something ?	[23:19]
rg	and you cant change a root password from it either	[23:19]
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Joric_	bitcoinica was never hacked yet, it's about time!	[23:19]
pirateat40	Cusipzzz, LMAO	[23:20]
phantomcircuit	Joric_, lol wat	[23:20]
vragnaroda	Well, if they compensate everyone and fix it, that is.	[23:20]
phantomcircuit	yes they were	[23:20]
Cusipzzz	imagine if bitcoinica was on linode....trainwrecko	[23:20]
vragnaroda	Until then, fuck them.	[23:20]
Joric_	phantomcircuit, it was?	[23:20]
smickles	,,asks 5.01	[23:20]
Joric_	phantomcircuit, ah, that thing with double payouts	[23:20]
phantomcircuit	Joric_, they had a race condition from not having any idea how mysql works	[23:20]
phantomcircuit	i guarantee there are worse vulnerabilities	[23:21]
Joric_	well what you could expect from 17yo north korean	[23:21]
rawrmage	omg	[23:21]
rawrmage	this is futile	[23:21]
rawrmage	trying to talk to people who use linode	[23:21]
rawrmage	16:19 < WhoNeedszzz> sounds like bitcoind has a backdoor	[23:21]
rawrmage	16:20 < WhoNeedszzz> i trust linode	[23:21]
rawrmage	16:20 < WhoNeedszzz> they are very helpful	[23:21]
Cusipzzz	rg: you should post on wht though. tons of people use linode	[23:21]
[\\\]	lol	[23:21]
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phantomcircuit	rawrmage, lol	[23:21]
Cusipzzz	lol	[23:21]
arij	i think i did mircea_popescu	[23:21]
MouseFace	wtb bitcoins	[23:21]
smickles	gribble: you should ,,letmein on the secret	[23:21]
*	gribble gives voice to smickles	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	;;ident arij	[23:21]
gribble	Nick 'arij', with hostmask 'arij!48e18843@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.225.136.67', is identified as user arij, with GPG key id A5DDB626778A4EB3, and key fingerprint C9F3A0FD77AD5AD45FACE5BBA5DDB626778A4EB3.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	well done	[23:21]
*	Joric_ is now known as Joric	[23:22]
arij	:D	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	;;rate arij 1 tiny btc sale, he sent first.	[23:22]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user arij has been recorded.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	now you do the same with me.	[23:22]
rg	welp	[23:22]
arij	whats the 1 for?	[23:22]
rg	i posted it on WHT	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	your rating level.	[23:22]
arij	1 is the best?	[23:22]
arij	10 is the worst?>	[23:22]
Cusipzzz	rg: linky	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	no, 1 is the lowest. used for 1st time transactions etc. 10 is for your wife.	[23:22]
rg	http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=7986704	[23:23]
smickles	-10 is the lowes, IMHO	[23:23]
Cusipzzz	wouldn't give my wife a 10, that's for sure	[23:23]
rawrmage	lol	[23:23]
Cusipzzz	she's shady	[23:23]
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smickles	heh, me either :P	[23:23]
smickles	she can't handle money well	[23:23]
arij	;;rate mircea_popescu 1 sold btc	[23:23]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.	[23:23]
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mircea_popescu	i trust my womenz.	[23:24]
rg	heh	[23:24]
rg	this dude on wht	[23:24]
rg	asking for a 'turnkey vps service'	[23:24]
smickles	trust and 'trust with money' are different for me mircea_popescu	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:24]
rg	but he misspelled and wrote 'turkey'	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	no, i trust them with money, is the ideea.	[23:24]
rg	and for all interested	[23:24]
rg	i just moved the bitvps wallet	[23:24]
rg	(again)	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	a moved wallet grows no moss	[23:24]
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mircea_popescu	i am guessing there should start to appear actual bonded vps providers for bitcoin	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	because i frankly don't think your ordinary "hey we have servers" provider is good enough.	[23:26]
vragnaroda	rg: bitvps ought to do that.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	they need a "if we get hacked we return up to 500k in losses" on the marquee	[23:27]
Rebroad	what sort of T&Cs do linode have? Do they limit their liability?	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	i bet you they do.	[23:27]
Cusipzzz	then i log into the vps from some romanian vpn, empty the wallet, claim hack, and collect from poor ol rg	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	needs to be an actual exploit cusipzzz	[23:28]
CaptainDDL	scary that they didn't have any effective protection from rogue superuser accounts...I hope Linode reimburses slush & everyone for losses since this was their fault.	[23:28]
Rebroad	I wonder if anyone sells insurance for bitcoin wallets...	[23:28]
Rebroad	and if so, what security measures they'd insist upon	[23:28]
Cusipzzz	bout 0 chance linode gives slush btc back, sadly	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	ya, some of the wallet providers could start offering insurance.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	i dont think they will cough up the dough, no	[23:28]
vragnaroda	Well, it's easy enough to tier that pricing.	[23:29]
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mircea_popescu	feeling a little entrepreneurial maybe vragnaroda ?	[23:30]
smickles	mircea_popescu: and they could offload the insurance risk by selling the contracts on my yet to exist exchange!	[23:30]
smickles	brilliant :D	[23:31]
rg	bout 0 chance linode does anything	[23:31]
rg	thats why im damaging their rep right now	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	lol what are you waiting for smickles ?	[23:31]
rg	this will not stand	[23:31]
rg	this is fucking horses hit	[23:31]
rg	people look to these companies to provide secure, private, vps	[23:31]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: I'm probably not qualified.	[23:31]
rg	if you cant even secure a webapp, makes you wonder wtf else is going on in the network	[23:31]
imsaguy	rg: time to have a 'transfer from linode and save' sale	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	vragnaroda team up with a tech guy, i meant.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	transfer from linode and save	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	your ass.	[23:32]
*	smickles codes ferociously	[23:32]
rg	imsaguy: feels kinda slimy to capitolize on slush's loss	[23:32]
rg	he actually has a VPS with us	[23:32]
vragnaroda	rg: wtf	[23:32]
rg	i should make sure its ok	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	capitalize	[23:32]
imsaguy	well then donate a portion to him	[23:32]
imsaguy	that can be your angle	[23:33]
vragnaroda	Of course you capitalize on it.	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	actually rg, give slush free vps	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	that works the best way.	[23:33]
rg	he already has a free VPS	[23:33]
imsaguy	slush, do you mind if rg whores you out?	[23:33]
imsaguy	rg: I meant donate a portion of all first month linode transfers to slush	[23:33]
vragnaroda	And he was keeping a wallet on linode?	[23:33]
rg	imsaguy: that sounds good	[23:33]
imsaguy	he has to in order to do automatic payouts	[23:33]
MouseFace	WTB bitcoins	[23:34]
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imsaguy	I betcha it was the CIA	[23:35]
DBordello	imsaguy: It seems more like the FBI to me	[23:36]
Joric	it's clearly Google	[23:36]
rg	i bet you it was someone in here	[23:36]
vragnaroda	Mossad	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	it was the manipulator	[23:36]
Joric	note Eric Schmidt saying 'bitcoin' http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4DKLSO8wYzk#t=2074s	[23:36]
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reeses	3000 btc for ppusd, $4	[23:36]
rg	and i bet those coins will show up here	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	he's running out of btc	[23:36]
vragnaroda	Oh wait, you already said Google.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha trollses	[23:36]
Rebroad	why was there so much BTC on the compromised server?	[23:37]
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Rebroad	surely if it was to pay out pool members it could have been on a more secure server, no?	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	he pays out people rebroad.	[23:37]
Joric	he said 'bitcoin' twice can't be coincidence	[23:37]
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rawrmage	rg: lol	[23:38]
rawrmage	anyone wtb 25k btc ppusd? :P	[23:38]
rawrmage	lol	[23:38]
Rebroad	what is ppusd?	[23:38]
rawrmage	we need to make a list	[23:38]
rawrmage	of the addresses that get BTC from the stolen coins	[23:38]
Rebroad	why is it always 25k BTC?	[23:39]
rawrmage	no matter how far down	[23:39]
rawrmage	Rebroad: paypal usd	[23:39]
rawrmage	and then if someone shows up here with one of those inputs...	[23:39]
rg	oh btw rawrmage	[23:39]
rg	y9ou think you can just CANCEL a vps at bitvps?	[23:39]
rg	no.. we own you	[23:39]
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rawrmage	:>	[23:39]
rg	btw which box was it	[23:40]
rawrmage	i said sowwy	[23:40]
rawrmage	california	[23:40]
rg	aw thats the best one!	[23:40]
Rebroad	hmmmm.. were the bitcoins marked? I hear there's a special dye that can be used..	[23:40]
Joric	selling 25k BTC @ $0.01, paypal	[23:40]
rg	you sure you dont wanna cancel a different one and stay at cali?	[23:40]
imsaguy	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66930	[23:40]
arij	joric	[23:40]
arij	srsly?	[23:40]
rawrmage	rg: like as in move an existing one cross dcs?	[23:41]
Rebroad	wtf...	[23:41]
Rebroad	interesting coincidence..	[23:41]
rg	yeah	[23:41]
rg	but if youre happy with the other ones	[23:41]
rg	no troubles	[23:41]
MouseFace	anybody want to sell bitcoins? Trying to get started...	[23:41]
rawrmage	everything's fine as is atm	[23:41]
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rawrmage	except for my nameserver but that's my fault	[23:42]
arij	i have .22 btc	[23:42]
rawrmage	build, damn you	[23:42]
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Joric	he would probably sell them now, look for a 5k chunk on mtgox	[23:46]
MouseFace	;;neonindian	[23:47]
neofutur	;;ident MouseFace	[23:47]
gribble	Nick 'MouseFace', with hostmask 'MouseFace!462453a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.36.83.161', is not identified.	[23:47]
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Rebroad	so, has slush told Thomas Asaro what the loss is as a result of their poor (i.e. lack of) security?	[23:48]
neofutur	MouseFace: register and ident, will be easier to find deals : http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication	[23:48]
BTCHero	What Rebroad?	[23:48]
MouseFace	thanks	[23:48]
neofutur	what happened with slush pool ?	[23:49]
rg	neofutur: linode got owned	[23:49]
rg	they stole a shitload of coins	[23:49]
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rg	from people hosting wallets	[23:49]
arij	damn i wish that was me hahahahaa	[23:49]
rg	we're doing 40% of new users to slush to help him recoup losses	[23:49]
a5m0	so linode didn't steal them but someone stole from them?	[23:49]
rg	arij: you wish you stole coins from people who worked for them?	[23:49]
neofutur	ah linode got hacked, not slush ?	[23:49]
neofutur	k reading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66916.0 now	[23:49]
rg	neofutur: slush got hacked cause of linsode	[23:49]
rg	they reset their p	[23:50]
rg	w	[23:50]
neofutur	still a good thing if slush is not responsible	[23:50]
arij	didnt the faucet get hacked	[23:50]
arij	or their vps on linode	[23:50]
DBordello	on linode	[23:50]
Rebroad	apparently linode customer account had only a 4 character password?	[23:50]
Rebroad	customer support account i mean	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	ahaahah clusterfuck	[23:51]
Joric	arij, it was like, news in the outside world: "Bitcoins got hacked!" News from inside the bitcoin world: "VPS hoster unknowingly allows full root access to any of their client's instances"	[23:51]
neofutur	he give one more reason to never allow root login on my ssh servers :p	[23:52]
*	mircea_popescu waves ad Dlorbedlo	[23:52]
arij	hehe	[23:52]
arij	thats so true	[23:52]
neofutur	well, in rescue mode the hacker can stillchange the sshd settings . . .	[23:52]
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neofutur	probably what happenned when the servers rebooted	[23:53]
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neofutur	if he can change root pass he can also do muc more ;(	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	they said they needed to change the shadow so yea	[23:53]
Cusipzzz	they key is to not allow ssh, or better yet unpluf the server completely. rg: then you can offer fully secured :)	[23:53]
Joric	being hacker i would randomly send random amounts of bitcoin to every forum's signature	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	if he cared joric he could	[23:54]
neofutur	but need to rescue mode yourself if any work need to be done . . .	[23:54]
neofutur	and anyway if a hacker access the datacenter manager, can go rescue mode . . .	[23:54]
Joric	hey, hacker, neat idea, isn't it?	[23:54]
neofutur	same result ;(	[23:54]
Rebroad	the person selling 25k BTC is talking on #bitcoin	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[23:54]
Rebroad	and on here :)	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	i think you should become a cop rebroad.	[23:55]
Cusipzzz	uh	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	you tend to discover things	[23:55]
Cusipzzz	notsureifserious.jpg	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	that are new and exciting.	[23:55]
Rebroad	yeah. 4 months late usually though	[23:55]
rawrmage	wtfffff	[23:55]
rawrmage	this ebuild is broken	[23:55]
neofutur	luke-jr_ ebuild for bitcoin ?	[23:57]
rawrmage	ebuild for bind-9.8.1_p1	[23:57]
rg	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66934.0	[23:58]
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