Forum logs for 01 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
ThickAsThieves magic, mostly [00:00]
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ThickAsThieves same way it worked for btcgarden? [00:00]
ThickAsThieves buy your own shit, momentum! [00:01]
mircea_popescu nuts. [00:01]
Duffer1 wasn't rent trading halted during that period? [00:01]
bounce too bad for the US' alies then that the f22 is too advanced to be exported even to NATO partners [00:02]
punkman1 how do you even IPO twice? sounds like an oxymoron [00:02]
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mircea_popescu punkman1 2po [00:04]
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ThickAsThieves this is the 3rd or 4th offering i think [00:05]
bounce Many PO [00:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05738997 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2} [00:10]
mircea_popescu "Listen porky... [00:14]
mircea_popescu If Danny really wanted to scam people, he would have done that right after the IPO but he didn't. He went ahead and invested money in setting up the office, hiring staffers, media campaigns, buying POS devices, sending his hired staffers to conferences and so on. [00:14]
mircea_popescu He could have taken off with all the money right after the IPO but he didn't." [00:14]
mircea_popescu what IS the word there anyway, any pdfs yet ? [00:14]
kakobrekla pdfs? those you have to read. gimme flash. [00:15]
bounce can't you stuff flash in pdfs these days? [00:15]
kakobrekla dunno, prolly with a powerpoint plugin [00:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22098 @ 0.00094912 = 20.9737 BTC [-] {2} [00:16]
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bounce actually acrobat supports way beyond what's decent for a pdf reader [00:17]
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benkay acrobat a whore [00:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00095014 = 11.5442 BTC [+] [00:22]
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mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/ffbf07618e347c111177a02c2337f684/tumblr_ml8d0boKTx1s0yaxoo1_1280.jpg [00:24]
benkay great tits on that one [00:24]
mircea_popescu indeed. [00:25]
benkay man so i have this pm who'd love nothing more than to get my guys fired [00:25]
benkay we're expensive etc [00:25]
blackwhite http://corner.squareup.com/2014/03/square-market-accepts-bitcoin.html [00:25]
ozbot Square Market Accepts Bitcoin [00:25]
benkay sets us up for a deploy this afternoon [00:25]
benkay ten minutes before scheduled deploy [00:25]
benkay 'HOLD THE PHONES B I FORGOT TO INFORM ADMIN STAFF ABOUT DEPLOY WAIT WAIT WAIT' [00:25]
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benkay mind you i've already sent the executive team the 'deploy briefing' email i'm in the habit of sending out before deploys... [00:26]
benkay in conclusion, i have determined that the PMs incompetence is undermining his malice. [00:26]
benkay either that or he's playing some crazy game i don't understand. [00:26]
benkay ('executive team') [00:27]
benkay *sigh* [00:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3993 @ 0.00095014 = 3.7939 BTC [+] [00:27]
mircea_popescu blackwhite yeah was announced yest no ? [00:28]
blackwhite no we announced it today [00:29]
mircea_popescu i coulda sworn [00:29]
Mats_cd03 that was stripe [00:30]
mircea_popescu >< [00:30]
mircea_popescu it was. my bad. [00:30]
blackwhite yeah they are doing it in beta [00:30]
benkay for whom has accepting bitcoin been a big business booster? [00:31]
benkay ostock? [00:31]
mircea_popescu blackwhite so you actually working for square ? [00:31]
blackwhite TigerDirect [00:31]
blackwhite they claim they saved more than 10K in fees alone [00:31]
benkay it's like consumer 'any txn we can get' ------------------------ elite '1 tx of 5m every two or three months' [00:33]
benkay nobody making serious bank with it. [00:33]
pankkake so what? less fees less fraud, why would you not do it? [00:34]
mircea_popescu ^ [00:34]
mircea_popescu it may not make much sense for brick and mortar small businesses a la meze grill [00:35]
mircea_popescu however, for an online retailer ? lifeline. [00:35]
mircea_popescu just the fact that nobody can chargeback you and pp can't hold your wallet at ransom and that;s enough for anyone sane. [00:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-] [00:35]
benkay gotta have the business first tho. no sense in "its gonna work 'cause bitcoin" [00:35]
pankkake I spent a week trying to verify my "identity" with a french paypal-like [00:36]
mircea_popescu course gotta have the business first. [00:36]
mircea_popescu pankkake since bitcoin my response to any sort of such thing is lol. [00:36]
mircea_popescu and perhaps, if i feel in a good mood, "get in the wot" [00:36]
mircea_popescu but mostly, lol. [00:36]
pankkake since they did not read the text I was sending them, I ended up sending a goatse [00:36]
Apocalyptic lol [00:36]
pankkake and did the order again, but with another payment method [00:37]
ThickAsThieves no we announced it today /// you work for Square? [00:38]
ThickAsThieves if so, props to Square for having you in here [00:38]
ThickAsThieves whether incidental or not [00:38]
joecool ThickAsThieves: http://www.linkedin.com/in/thompete [00:38]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i originally asked him because i was going to give him a 1 if he can prove it, but seems he ignored it for some reason [00:38]
ThickAsThieves maybe he wasnt sposed to say so [00:39]
blackwhite hey yeah sorry [00:39]
blackwhite yes I work for Square [00:39]
mircea_popescu can you prove it ? [00:39]
blackwhite haha why should I prove it? [00:39]
blackwhite I don’t understand [00:39]
ThickAsThieves cuz we care [00:39]
joecool shoe on head [00:40]
benkay you've made a claim, blackwhite. [00:40]
ThickAsThieves if you care to say such things, what's wrong with proving it? [00:40]
benkay if you hadn't made a claim, that'd be a different story. [00:40]
blackwhite Just a curius question [00:40]
mircea_popescu yeah, "cuz we care" i guess. [00:40]
benkay but this zone is filled with scammers who won't substantiate their claims. [00:40]
blackwhite ahh ok [00:40]
benkay we're hostile to unsubstantiated claims. [00:40]
joecool blackwhite: a picture with shoe on head will suffice [00:40]
blackwhite i see [00:40]
benkay what is this we nonsense [00:40]
benkay I'm hostile to unsubstantiated claims. [00:41]
pankkake I didn't understand it that way [00:41]
ThickAsThieves we are a hive mind, in early stages [00:41]
mircea_popescu joecool lol whats with you and shoes [00:41]
benkay nope.jpg [00:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00094771 = 19.8545 BTC [-] {2} [00:41]
benkay just a motley collection of individuals, with individual tastes and preferences. [00:42]
joecool mircea_popescu: many of the girls you post in here lack shoes, i am trying to solve a shortage of shoes in pictures [00:42]
mircea_popescu ic [00:42]
ThickAsThieves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o8gzua-K_E [00:42]
ozbot The Lost Boys (4/10) Movie CLIP - One of Us (1987) HD - YouTube [00:42]
mircea_popescu benkay you know you're my sock, why fight it [00:42]
benkay you guys want to hear something stupid? [00:42]
pankkake but all shoes aren't equal [00:42]
mircea_popescu ahaha [00:43]
benkay i'd rather be hacking on a bitcoin thing and not getting paid right now. [00:43]
benkay instead [00:43]
benkay i'm staring at my email, billing by the quarter hour, waiting for someone to drop the ball hard enough for me to call off a deploy on my own. [00:43]
pankkake benkay: why not? unless you don't have enough to pay the bills [00:43]
mircea_popescu pankkake the girl won't approve. [00:43]
benkay relationships are important [00:43]
pankkake getting fired isn't hard either [00:43]
benkay not really a good idea to say 'fuck it' mid deploy conversation. [00:43]
benkay pankkake: it's also my shop. [00:44]
pankkake oh, right. not a thing I'd tell my parents either [00:44]
benkay oh ho ho up yours too [00:44]
benkay i don't know man. i think relationship with this client calls for a little subtlety [00:45]
benkay finesse [00:45]
ThickAsThieves deprogramming [00:45]
ThickAsThieves manipulation [00:45]
ThickAsThieves finesse [00:45]
benkay yeah they definitely need less programming that's for sure [00:45]
benkay fewer tickets [00:45]
Mats_cd03 hi this is dog [00:45]
benkay better tickets [00:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0075 = 0.375 BTC [+] [00:45]
Mats_cd03 i can verify i am dog with shoe on head [00:46]
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ThickAsThieves the RENT is too damn high! [00:46]
Mats_cd03 more data to follow [00:46]
kakobrekla lol tat [00:47]
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mod6 haha [00:48]
artifexd mircea_popescu "Take a picture with a shoe on your head" is a thing redditors use to prove that you are who you say you are. [00:48]
benkay artifexd: started with 419ers [00:48]
kakobrekla until bakewell changed it to a sock [00:48]
artifexd That doesn't surprise me in the least. [00:48]
blackwhite well my blog is http://www.000fff.org (black&White) [00:48]
benkay http://i.imgur.com/BfECj.jpg [00:49]
blackwhite and my twitter handle is @hello_world [00:49]
Jason joecool in rl [00:49]
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mircea_popescu artifexd much older than reddit. yes. [00:52]
artifexd knowyourmeme says it started in 2006. Wow [00:53]
mircea_popescu blackwhite send me email from your comp account, for instance. [00:53]
mircea_popescu artifexd im pretty sure it's pre dotcom. [00:53]
Jason blackwhite: i hear you're the squareup man? [00:54]
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blackwhite i just work there [00:54]
Jason blackwhite: ah [00:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00095014 = 11.9718 BTC [+] [00:56]
Jason blackwhite: well, my account was banned in 2013 for being 'high risk'. when I contacted support, they simply didn't respond to me. luckily, all of this happened before I switched my entire business to Square (my account was several months old, though). had I of completely switched to Square before I was banned with no explanation, it would have probably ruined my business. [00:56]
Jason blackwhite: as I mentioned, support is ignoring me. do you have any suggestions? [00:57]
Mats_cd03 lol. [00:57]
ThickAsThieves seems you figured it out Jason [00:57]
ThickAsThieves dont use Square [00:57]
ThickAsThieves btw this Square news, it's only for their online marketplace right? [00:57]
ThickAsThieves not the app [00:58]
blackwhite yeah [00:58]
blackwhite Sorry to hear that Jason [00:58]
ThickAsThieves why the half-measure? [00:58]
Jason i'd love to use Square. being an internet sales business, it'd benefit me greatly. [00:58]
Jason just, being banned with no explanation of what might have caused the ban and being unable to contact support? well... yeah. [00:58]
Jason that [00:58]
blackwhite Not sure why you can’t get through. Did you try twitter and phone? [00:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12740 @ 0.00095014 = 12.1048 BTC [+] [00:59]
Jason er - that's a little concerning [00:59]
Jason blackwhite: as I remember it, in 2013 they didn't have phone support? [00:59]
Jason blackwhite: i did try twitter and my tweet (twat? whatever they call it) went ignored, too [00:59]
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blackwhite I see. [01:00]
Jason blackwhite: of course I know i'm just picking on you, but hey - maybe you'd be able to give me some pointers. [01:00]
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blackwhite did you try this https://squareup.com/help/en-us/contact [01:01]
blackwhite yeah of course it [01:01]
blackwhite s totally fair you ask me [01:01]
blackwhite sorry I can’t be of bigger help. [01:01]
Jason i did and never got a response. i'll try again. maybe they changed stuff around [01:02]
mircea_popescu twat lol [01:02]
Jason blackwhite: can't initiate the email [01:02]
Jason blackwhite: Payment card processing permanently deactivated. Click to read Square's Seller Agreement [01:03]
Jason won't even let me email them. :p [01:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095345 = 9.7252 BTC [+] {2} [01:06]
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mircea_popescu Jason lol what did you exactly do ? [01:07]
ThickAsThieves probly SR vendor [01:08]
Jason mircea_popescu: not a clue [01:08]
Jason ThickAsThieves: nop [01:08]
Jason ThickAsThieves: did /nothing/ even questionable. tbh, i mainly used it for quick transfers between my bank accounts :P [01:09]
ThickAsThieves monbey laundering [01:09]
ThickAsThieves terrorist! [01:09]
Jason ThickAsThieves: that's what i'm trying to do. they won't tell me what i did for 'security reasons' :-p. [01:09]
Jason ThickAsThieves: oh. not trying to do /that/. it was transfers between my own bank accounts! ;) [01:10]
ThickAsThieves if we tell you, you will know how not to get caught next time [01:10]
ThickAsThieves terrorist. [01:10]
Jason you caught me. [01:10]
Jason :( [01:10]
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Jason A++++++ support [01:11]
ThickAsThieves maybe now i can for for Homeland Security [01:11]
Mats_cd03 hey now, we have enough us agencies watching this channel already [01:11]
ThickAsThieves i'm good at this [01:11]
ThickAsThieves work* [01:11]
bounce you'd like as not turn out overqualified [01:11]
benkay what, you're going to rep the DHS now ThickAsThieves ? [01:11]
Jason Mats_cd03: probably true [01:12]
Jason lol [01:12]
ThickAsThieves cant have terrorist like Jason using Square to launder money, now can we? [01:12]
Jason ThickAsThieves: guess i'll have to stick to bitcoin [01:12]
Jason argh [01:12]
Jason darn [01:12]
bounce there's too many agencies anyway. whatwasitagain, 1200-odd agencies with some sort of "terrism" link? [01:12]
mircea_popescu Jason url btw ? [01:12]
Jason mircea_popescu: for? [01:12]
ThickAsThieves round bitcoin, Square hole [01:12]
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Mats_cd03 irs, sec, fbi, dhs? [01:12]
mircea_popescu this shop of yours ? [01:12]
Mats_cd03 maybe the cia uses -otc from time to time [01:13]
bounce why would they? they're running entire banks dedicated to laundring and everything else they instituted AML/KYC CYA BS elsewhere for. [01:13]
Jason mircea_popescu: doesn't work since i'm banned :-P [01:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.0009539 = 12.0668 BTC [+] {2} [01:14]
Mats_cd03 buying things from the paranoid, i imagine [01:14]
mircea_popescu Jason uh so you no longer have a shop now ? [01:14]
Mats_cd03 0days they cant ask the nsa for, perhaps [01:14]
bounce peddling tin foil hats? -- now that might be an interesting niche. tin foil hats for bitcoin. [01:14]
Mats_cd03 (i'm pretty baked and wildly speculating here) [01:15]
benkay Mats_cd03: you druggie [01:15]
bounce they'd have their own contract with vupen and whoever else sells these [01:15]
Mats_cd03 what are drugs [01:15]
kakobrekla wasnt this discussed like a day or two ago [01:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [-] [01:16]
kakobrekla we should add it to wiki. [01:16]
bounce "stuff you buy at the drugstore" [01:16]
kakobrekla also sausage department for nubbins. [01:17]
kakobrekla anyway, carry on. [01:17]
Jason mircea_popescu: i do, but i can't take it online yet [01:18]
Mats_cd03 so you came to bitcoin-assets for square support [01:18]
mircea_popescu ahahah forum rules. [01:18]
mircea_popescu person 1 : "I personally don't believe that Neo&Bee is a scam, but very well said. Just becuase there is an easier way to steal money that the scammers passed up doesn't mean it's not a scam." [01:19]
mircea_popescu person 2 : "Good to head you think Neo is legit." [01:19]
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Namworld Forum server if it had an AI: "Please, help, oh why!? Stop feeding me this type of data!" [01:20]
mircea_popescu we're lucky there's no hard ai. [01:20]
mircea_popescu "Even if Neo ends up failing and Cyprus central bankers win this battle, they've managed to change the world forever. The Bitcoin awareness in Cyprus will not go away even if Neo fails and that counts for something. I know I was part of that as an investor and helped build that to some extent. On the other hand MPEx will go down in history as the clown who badmouthed the competition and riding some donkey in Egypt." [01:21]
mircea_popescu it must suck to suck. [01:22]
mircea_popescu how the fuck is neobee competition o.o [01:22]
Namworld No idea [01:22]
bounce didn't get big enough before failing [01:22]
kakobrekla not a donkey is it. [01:22]
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Namworld I stopped questioning why people say certain things long ago. [01:23]
mircea_popescu Namworld im not that advanced yet. [01:23]
Namworld I probably spew nonsense regularly too anyway. I just let it be unless I feel like debating the topic. [01:23]
mircea_popescu interesting argument tho, re "the awareness that won't go away". [01:23]
mircea_popescu i wonder to what degree things actually work that way. [01:24]
Jason Mats_cd03: i came to -assets to share my story of being randomly banned with no explanation and being completely denied support. had my business of been in full swing with square, it would be a rather large problem. [01:24]
mike_c it has some validity. marketing is repetition repetition.. [01:24]
mircea_popescu Jason extremely difficult claims to verify you see. [01:24]
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mike_c obviously neo&bee was not supposed to simply be an ad campaign for bitcoin. [01:24]
mircea_popescu mike_c yeah but what if the awareness they raised is "bitcoin is an undependable scamfest" [01:24]
bounce re donkeys: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne_0x3a__The_Digital_Donkey.aspx [01:25]
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mircea_popescu i guess we'll actually be deriving some benefit from the ineptly handled neobee shareholder piggybank, [01:25]
mike_c i don't think they got that far in penetrating the consumer consciousness. [01:25]
mircea_popescu in that we'll see if in 2015 or 2020 cypruss is above or below the norm [01:25]
mike_c but they have now heard of bitcoin, and next time it will be the second time. [01:25]
mircea_popescu there's also many cultural factors at play. for instance, in a culture which is fundamentally defeatist and patently insane, like romania's, [01:26]
mircea_popescu having failed is actually much better than having succeeded. [01:26]
mike_c i am not defending his retarded veiwpoint though. "it's ok because neo&bee ran ads". [01:26]
bounce so, what're you doing, failing by succeeding? [01:26]
mike_c mircea_popescu: same as silicon valley :) [01:27]
mircea_popescu bounce i have no idea. the entire national pantheon is basically neobee like scammors. ie, various rebels promising independence from x or y or z [01:27]
mircea_popescu then failing miserably but having ballads made about how cool they were [01:27]
mircea_popescu it's really not at all different from forum mentality. [01:27]
Mats_cd03 lol [01:27]
Mats_cd03 a surprising number of national origin stories are basically that [01:28]
mircea_popescu i mean... guys like iancu jianu. ex road robber, caught, tried, sentenced to hang, saved by ancient rule that noble virginz may save a convicted felon by marrying him [01:28]
bounce well I s'pose that gave you a bit of a headstart "researching" the bitcoin zoo [01:28]
mircea_popescu became small time country landed gent. [01:28]
Jason mircea_popescu: hey - get me in touch with someone @ square and we'd figure it out! :) [01:28]
Mats_cd03 except the scrub that barely made it is in fact the hero of old [01:28]
Mats_cd03 (in the retelling) [01:28]
bounce what, there's still a vaguely functioning feudal system going on? [01:29]
mircea_popescu where ? [01:29]
Mats_cd03 i guess you could say afghanistan and somalia were vaguely functioning feudal systems in the last few decade [01:30]
Mats_cd03 ^decades [01:31]
bounce oh, that guy appears to've been dead for a good 150 years. oh well. [01:31]
mircea_popescu i suppose all of central asia is feudal [01:31]
mircea_popescu probably latin america slowly coming to modernism [01:31]
mircea_popescu bounce 1700s yeah [01:31]
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mircea_popescu anyway. "cyprus central bankers" win this battle god help us. [01:32]
mircea_popescu that guy must be some sort of a plant. [01:32]
mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/ee7769d9609cf8cc7c3a05a45da49821/tumblr_mkv3mdeUC81s0ryyvo1_500.jpg [01:33]
mircea_popescu pic relatively related. [01:34]
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mircea_popescu moiety http://imgur.com/gallery/g6X7e [01:37]
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only any movie recommendations, folks? [01:44]
antephialtic genre? [01:44]
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Mats_cd03 inside man, stasiland, attack the block [01:45]
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kakobrekla 'Dead man' is 1/3 drama. [01:46]
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moiety lolol mircea_popescu business cat, Yorkshire version // also http://i.imgur.com/575U3WI.gif [02:16]
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nubbins` what's going on with log.b-a? [02:21]
nubbins` the order of the words is all fucked up [02:21]
mircea_popescu nubbins` what ? [02:21]
mircea_popescu ajhahaha [02:22]
mike_c log.b-a is doge now [02:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla lampelina broke it!!11 [02:22]
kakobrekla seems fine here [02:22]
nubbins` now click a timestamp [02:22]
mircea_popescu "mircea_popescu: made cool ballads failing but miserably how then about having they were" [02:22]
kakobrekla must be ur browsers [02:22]
nubbins` it rearranges 'em, still wrong [02:22]
mircea_popescu sounds like someone's googletranslate me [02:22]
mircea_popescu "mircea_popescu: but were ballads about made miserably they then having cool how failing" [02:22]
antephialtic yeah, is this some kind of silly april fools joke? the log makes it look like this is #bitcoin-yoda [02:23]
nubbins` 23:21:29nubbins`:on what's log.b-a? going with [02:23]
mike_c obfuscation to prevent spying [02:23]
nubbins` 00:08:39asciilifeform:thinking modern of pc bounce: was i [02:24]
nubbins` ahahahah. [02:24]
moiety bahahahahaha [02:24]
mike_c 1 2 3 4 5 [02:24]
moiety dear oh fuck [02:24]
nubbins` mircea_popescu:fifty lines ? you babies up weren't starving [02:24]
nubbins` leel [02:25]
moiety almost got it there [02:25]
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mircea_popescu lmao this all started with asciilifeform beerbucket [02:25]
nubbins` this is awesome [02:25]
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nubbins` kakobrekla i much prefer it this way, don't fix it [02:26]
mircea_popescu these words of sorted randomly r they perhaps into sense coallesce through of sortage log method ? [02:26]
moiety i cant even go back to see that now mircea_popescu lol [02:26]
mircea_popescu maybe it's a method to fix my forum quotes. [02:26]
mircea_popescu i put stuff from the forum in here, read it destupidified in log [02:26]
moiety that forumite speak [02:27]
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mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/a3aedb2f647e9395c5fc9a66e6d6d621/tumblr_mkfz4rxTzm1re7tkoo1_1280.jpg [02:36]
KRS-One HAWT! [02:36]
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mircea_popescu (the teacher is the one without thge baby fat) [02:36]
nubbins` https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1966347_10152341397792174_1401187864_o.png [02:37]
nubbins` ^ yay [02:37]
pankkake this was deleted by a bitcointalk mod: http://pastebin.com/SvkANZjZ [02:37]
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pankkake yet stalking people is ok, as another mod told me [02:37]
tg2 davout is getting jealous [02:37]
pankkake scammy as fuck [02:37]
tg2 pankkake, learn2sock [02:38]
pankkake learn2berelevant [02:38]
tg2 http://sockpuppettheatre.com/video/trolling-101/ [02:38]
ozbot TROLLING 101 | SockPuppet Theatre [02:38]
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KRS-One She indeed is ready for some lessons. [02:41]
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mircea_popescu pankkake odd. [02:43]
pankkake what's odd is how old the message is, too [02:43]
pankkake is there a list of moderators? [02:43]
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pankkake I'd like to know who banned crumbs and kakobrekla too [02:44]
mircea_popescu not afaik. [02:44]
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mircea_popescu just use the .lk thing and be done with it [02:44]
pankkake yeah, scammers prefer to be hidden [02:44]
mircea_popescu it'll autopost to the scampit. [02:44]
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pankkake https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bitcointalk/ gives me "not found" [02:44]
mircea_popescu there was some github [02:45]
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kakobrekla i doubt anyone who should be reading is reading .lk [02:58]
kakobrekla so meh [02:59]
mircea_popescu it posts across tho [02:59]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla simple ban avoiding technique : make .lk account, link it to bitcointalk.org account [03:00]
mircea_popescu if .org acount is banned, make new one, link it again [03:00]
kakobrekla not much of a gain just using org directly with moar accounts [03:03]
kakobrekla gain over * [03:03]
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mircea_popescu posts become undeleteable. [03:04]
mircea_popescu i guess they are anyway [03:04]
mircea_popescu but the political angle is important, that shit must die. [03:05]
asciilifeform gentlemen, lol! perhaps the log should stay like this [03:05]
moiety btctalk needs to become deleteable on the whole [03:05]
mike_c you are directly supporting bitcointalk by paying someone to create high quality posts there. seems contradictory. [03:05]
tg2 lol, ltcponzi 700 ltc in 15 seconds [03:05]
mircea_popescu mike_c i am aware. won't last very long really. [03:06]
mircea_popescu was looking for a way out for a while. reducing .org to the status of a lousy scrapper of .lk seems perfect. [03:07]
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mike_c that cesspool hardly needs killing. it's already a wasteland. [03:08]
mike_c i think it is admirable to try to provide a path out of there through mpoe-pr, but if they don't want it.. [03:09]
mircea_popescu there are two separate problems here. [03:09]
mircea_popescu one is that people generally are stupid. this, we knew going in, not a problem. [03:10]
mircea_popescu the other is that theymos & co are scammers. [03:10]
mircea_popescu this needs resolving. [03:10]
antephialtic yes, I agree. Forum should have an entrance exam [03:10]
mike_c you can't have an entrance exam. everybody starts off stupid. [03:10]
tg2 IQ test [03:10]
antephialtic it should include a study guide [03:10]
tg2 2 week course [03:11]
tg2 $500 [03:11]
tg2 get crypto certified [03:11]
mike_c if you want to kill bitcointalk, you need to create a new forum. it will fill with retards eventually, but it would solve the second problem. [03:11]
mircea_popescu antephialtic the problem with any exam that doesn't also include a firing squad is that it creates a class of niggers. [03:11]
mircea_popescu mike_c .lk. [03:11]
antephialtic on basic principles of bitcoin. to eliminate people who aren't capable of learning, and to make sure that people who get in aren't asking the most basic of questions [03:11]
mike_c and it can't be on b-a :) bad juju [03:11]
antephialtic HUR DUR whats a change address DERP [03:12]
asciilifeform this actually reminds me of something fairly foolish that i almost did [03:12]
asciilifeform at one point, i worked on a 'destupidator' (actual working title) - sort of like a 'captcha', but based on the 'raven matrix' iq test. [03:12]
cazalla i dunno antephialtic, that seems a reasonable question to me for someone new to bitcoin [03:13]
antephialtic cazalla: that should be on the entrance exam [03:13]
antephialtic I'd rather have a forum for the 20% of competent people using bitcoin, than a wasteland for those unwilling or uncapable of learning [03:14]
antephialtic they are free to hang out on reddit [03:15]
cazalla how can they learn if they need to be learned to pass the exam prior to accessing the forum? [03:15]
antephialtic exam includes a study guide [03:15]
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asciilifeform cazalla: exam for write-access [03:15]
cazalla all you really need to do is restrict post ability for 6-12 months [03:15]
cazalla oh ok, that makes sense then asciilifeform [03:16]
antephialtic no. I want smart/motivated individuals to be able to post right away [03:16]
mike_c you are describing b-a. study guide is the wiki. [03:16]
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antephialtic b-a is great, but there is a lot of benefit to a threaded discussion format [03:16]
pankkake what about requiring referals? [03:16]
asciilifeform here's another crackpot idea. a very 'slow' mailing list, where it costs 1 btc to post. a few days later, you get it back on the sending addr - if you're nice. [03:17]
asciilifeform s/nice/intelligent [03:17]
BCB is Andreas M. Antonopoulos a core dev? [03:17]
antephialtic BCB: no, he's the glenn beck of bitcoin [03:18]
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antephialtic or rather, the rush limbaugh [03:18]
BCB antephialtic: why is he writing "Mastering Bitcoin" for 0'Reily [03:18]
mike_c mircea_popescu: was that shorthand for "that's what i'm doing with .lk"? i don't think that works, because the high quality content you influence to go to .lk also ends up in their forum. it's not competition. [03:18]
cazalla he's not even a media contact to much butthurt for him [03:18]
nubbins` pankkake: referrals? sounds like goat's forum [03:18]
nubbins` someone name a movie [03:19]
mircea_popescu antephialtic there's a diference between clueless and stupid. [03:19]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` all about eve. [03:19]
nubbins` is it as depressing as the bicycle thieves? [03:19]
mircea_popescu no. [03:19]
mircea_popescu it's hollywood not italian new wave [03:19]
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nubbins` good, 'cause that was a real downer [03:20]
mircea_popescu BCB bitcoin core devs are the folks at conformal. [03:20]
antephialtic mircea_popescu: the clueless are redeemable so long as they educate themselves. the stupid are not capable of contributing useless discussion and should be left to rot on reddit [03:20]
mircea_popescu mike_c yeah, it is actually. [03:20]
mircea_popescu nubbins` downer yeah. good film tho [03:21]
nubbins` agreed [03:21]
antephialtic mircea_popescu: have you messed around with conformal's btcd? [03:22]
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mircea_popescu maybe :p [03:24]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-226#post-5730195 [03:25]
ozbot [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 226 | Bitcointa.lk [03:25]
mircea_popescu mike_c looks like your wish may well be granted. [03:25]
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mike_c lol. awesome response. [03:26]
kakobrekla kako sets the fashion trend [03:27]
mircea_popescu lol [03:28]
pankkake "MPOE-PR perma-banned. His only option to get his account back is an appeal to theymos." [03:30]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010465#msg6010465 [03:30]
ozbot Please remove this user from this forum. [03:30]
tg2 lol [03:30]
kakobrekla he is not fucking around. [03:30]
mircea_popescu i guess we're going to tune in to .lk for further mpoe-pr posts. [03:31]
nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010465#msg6010465 [03:31]
nubbins` ha [03:31]
ozbot Please remove this user from this forum. [03:31]
antephialtic honestly speaking, mpoe-pr is pretty inflammatory, but speaks the truth [03:31]
kakobrekla i guess you all will be wearing shoelacesless shoes by t he conference. [03:32]
antephialtic unfortunate that the forum users fail to see that [03:32]
tg2 yes IP bans are effective obv [03:32]
mike_c so someone creates a thread to get herp banned, and that dipshit bans mpoe-pr instead. classic forum. [03:32]
tg2 why couldn't the otc/vouch system work for a forum? [03:32]
tg2 you have to get invited by a member with positive rep [03:32]
mircea_popescu it's pretty much the system that sunk -otc into irrelevancy, so... [03:32]
mircea_popescu at least idiots are consistent. [03:32]
nubbins` tg2: that's what goat did with his forum [03:33]
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nubbins` it's pretty dead there [03:33]
mircea_popescu goat has a wot now ? [03:33]
tg2 the general public is pretty dumb [03:33]
tg2 it never amazes me at the success of the most blatant scams [03:33]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: cryptocrypt.org [03:34]
kakobrekla cryptocryptcry [03:34]
mircea_popescu nubbins` a wot i mean. [03:34]
nubbins` ah [03:34]
mircea_popescu anyway, i had a forum on the old polimedia domain, same principle, also pretty dead. [03:34]
nubbins` i was thinking in terms of "u wot m8" [03:34]
tg2 maybe a simpler wot [03:35]
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nubbins` anyway, membership in the forum is by invite only, and i think being rude gets you banned or something [03:35]
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tg2 we had a car enthousaist forum that had a "premium" section where members could pay and had to be invited to do so [03:36]
tg2 it was pretty elite compared to the general scrubbery [03:36]
tg2 sort of a one-way-glass type affair [03:37]
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mircea_popescu honestly i don't see why .lk can't be used for exactly this purpose. [03:38]
nubbins` gigposters.com forums have a "premium membership" option for $20/year [03:39]
nubbins` you get access to a special subforum where people post plans for diy equipment [03:39]
mike_c 50 people posting on bitcointa.lk is not going to kill btctalk.org. [03:39]
nubbins` and if you ask too many questions without VIP, people shame you and stop answering ;( [03:40]
mircea_popescu mike_c depends which. [03:40]
mircea_popescu i personally don't think there's any value in the forum format, but hey. [03:40]
mircea_popescu some people seem to. [03:40]
mike_c 50 people posting exclusively on a forum could draw traffic, but i don't believe it works when the content is forwarded to the competition. [03:41]
mike_c it would be like if quora sent all their posts to yahoo answers. [03:41]
mike_c even that would be better, because at least quora wouldn't have all the shit. but bitcointa.lk does have all the shit too! [03:42]
mike_c it's like shit with a sprinkling of honey. i would bitbet this but it's not definable. [03:43]
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mircea_popescu you don't HAVE to forward it. [03:44]
mircea_popescu you get all their shit copied over [03:44]
mircea_popescu and you can lol at it or w/e. [03:44]
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BingoBoingo I really don't see the point of cross posting to the Thermos forum, if the aim is killing the pretense of its relevance [03:46]
ThickAsThieves Hey I'm gonna ban myself from the forum [03:48]
ThickAsThieves fuck that shit [03:48]
ThickAsThieves they have no good reason to ban people that are consistently right and alienated just because people wanna be delusional [03:48]
asciilifeform curious - am i the only one here who never posted to btct ? [03:49]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i never posted either. [03:50]
asciilifeform that makes 2... [03:51]
artifexd Liar [03:51]
artifexd I was shocked to find posts by you. Granted, they were a few years ago. But still... [03:51]
mike_c everybody starts a newbie (except ascii) [03:52]
asciilifeform lol [03:52]
asciilifeform mike_c: i'm here by accident, really. [03:53]
ThickAsThieves there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010682#msg6010682 [03:53]
mircea_popescu lol selfban party [03:53]
mircea_popescu artifexd i dun think so. [03:53]
artifexd https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923;sa=showPosts <- Not you? [03:53]
ozbot Latest posts of: Mircea Popescu [03:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i think the traditional way to do it is making this post : https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-226#post-5730195 [03:54]
mircea_popescu give it some ritual lmao [03:54]
mircea_popescu artifexd nop [03:54]
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artifexd As it is not provably you, I can only accept your word and sit back down, corrected and humble. [03:55]
ThickAsThieves well, so I got on my soapbox before saying fuck you, oh well [03:55]
mike_c i think he is just forgetting. this certainly sounds like him :) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923;sa=showPosts [03:55]
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mircea_popescu mike_c so do you. [03:56]
mike_c hah. perhaps in another year. [03:56]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla your forum wordmixer gave mpoe-pr a small heart attack lol [03:56]
ThickAsThieves really without mpoe-pr and friends, what's left there anyway? [03:56]
ThickAsThieves "bitcoinmagazine.com wants to use your computer's location Allow Deny" [03:58]
ThickAsThieves .... [03:58]
kakobrekla hehe works as intended then :) [03:58]
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mircea_popescu lol [03:59]
mircea_popescu http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Steve-Carell-Ellie-Kemper-Pop-Champagne-For-To-Celebrate-The-New-Year-.gif [04:00]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/please-remove-this-user-from-this-forum.292032/#post-5730099 [04:15]
ozbot Please remove this user from this forum. | Bitcointa.lk [04:15]
mircea_popescu lol maged trying to be the sly cat. [04:15]
mircea_popescu bwahahaha [04:15]
mircea_popescu is this guy actually gmaxwell or just similarly spineless ? [04:16]
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BingoBoingo Maybe a bit of both? [04:17]
mircea_popescu can you be a bit of both ? [04:17]
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BingoBoingo Well, maybe there is some simple minded psychotic disease passing through people who think they moderate important parts of bitcoin infrastructure that just suck. And this disease is spread through fucking gmaxwell [04:20]
antephialtic ?? why the hate for gmaxwell? [04:20]
mircea_popescu gmaxwell got laid ?! [04:21]
mircea_popescu impossibru [04:21]
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BingoBoingo Well, maybe by Maged. [04:21]
mircea_popescu antephialtic not rly hate, but for the usual reason neckbeads fail to make it in human society. [04:21]
mircea_popescu he has those clammy qualities. [04:21]
asciilifeform neckbeard == fellow whom age has taught nothing? [04:22]
antephialtic ah, I have to admit I enjoy his opinions on cryptography related matters. [04:22]
BingoBoingo This stuff really pops up in most internet fora where the operators develop a pretense of importance and being cereal. [04:23]
mircea_popescu neckbeard = 30something male with poor hygiene, lack of socialisation and a monitor tan [04:23]
mircea_popescu antephialtic most neckbeards make excellent worhorses. doesn't mean anyone would want them i nthe house. [04:23]
asciilifeform richard stallman...? [04:23]
antephialtic a friend of mine works in the same building as stallman. says he does all kinds of weird shit in the office [04:24]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't go as far as rms. [04:24]
mircea_popescu guy's weird, but not desocialised. [04:24]
antephialtic but rms is a greybeard. a neckbeard who is respected widely for technical contributions [04:25]
antephialtic and has grown senile [04:25]
mircea_popescu well senility aside, there's more to it than that. [04:25]
asciilifeform rms is a special case. he used to be a fairly sociable creature before his motherland was burned to the ground. [04:25]
mircea_popescu there's a deep understanding of what humanity is all about, that someone as fucking weird as dostoievski could exhibit nevertheless [04:25]
pankkake https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-litecoin-ltc-x11-hardfork-at-block-564-480.291272/ lol [04:26]
ozbot [ANN] Litecoin [LTC] X11 hardfork at block 564,480 | Bitcointa.lk [04:26]
mircea_popescu hm [04:26]
pankkake interesting experiment though - how could a hostile hardfork be received in bitcoin [04:27]
mircea_popescu old news tho neh ? [04:27]
asciilifeform i thought every alt was a 'hostile fork' ? [04:27]
pankkake of the code, not of the chain [04:27]
mircea_popescu pankkake https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/450654561947369472 [04:28]
antephialtic I think forking the chain is interesting, would give a lot of incentive for miners and users to switch if the tech was actually better [04:29]
antephialtic dogecoin has intentionally forked at least once to switch the block reward algo [04:29]
mircea_popescu a hardfork is a major event, but definitely not impossible. [04:29]
antephialtic but with bitcoin it would be a lot more dangerous as many merchants would get scammed while their were still multiple viable forks [04:29]
antephialtic would be very damaging to trust unless it was done extremely carefully [04:30]
mircea_popescu Hardforking BTC and LTC to X11 would be pretty awesome. [04:30]
mircea_popescu And it would be a great way to stick it to the mega banker elite class who invested billions in Asic hardware. [04:30]
mircea_popescu Wtf is the point of crypto if a bank can simply mine all the coins themselves, the entire point of crypto was to get away from elitist bankers [04:30]
mircea_popescu then again theres that consideration. [04:30]
mircea_popescu "bitcoin is here to solve my own problems!!1" [04:30]
mircea_popescu antephialtic how exactly would the merchants be scammed ? [04:31]
asciilifeform if one is to do something, even something foolish, it ought to be done right. cellular automaton proof-of-work. [04:31]
antephialtic mircea_popescu: you send them coins while they are still on the old chain [04:31]
mircea_popescu so ? [04:31]
antephialtic while double spending on the new chain [04:32]
mircea_popescu a hard fork is a political event. they get the old chain coins they chose. [04:32]
mircea_popescu or the new chain coins they chose. [04:32]
antephialtic yes, but many merchants don't know much about how bitcoin works [04:32]
mircea_popescu since the fork will NEVER resolve, tyhere's no scamming. [04:32]
mircea_popescu tough. [04:32]
antephialtic yes, but bad for everyone if less merchants accept it because they lose trust in the tech [04:33]
mircea_popescu a war is a war. [04:33]
mircea_popescu when people go to war, they couldn't care less about foreign markets or whatever the fuck. [04:33]
antephialtic also, the chain with the asics will have much better network security than the new X11 chain, so many rational merchants would stay [04:35]
mircea_popescu https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=18166.0 [04:36]
mircea_popescu Here’s are the reasons: [04:36]
mircea_popescu We have not come across a proof of work algorithm that is truly ASIC-proof and quick to verify. All alternatives will only delay the problem, and at a considerable cost. [04:36]
mircea_popescu guy figured it out, apparently. [04:36]
mircea_popescu antephialtic in the case of the litecoin fork, yes. [04:36]
asciilifeform didn't i post a perfectly usable counter-example? [04:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform give them a decade. reading these logs is slow work. [04:37]
antephialtic asciilifeform: what are the characteristics of a cellular automaton PoW that make it resistant to an ASIC implementation? [04:38]
asciilifeform antephialtic: you can demand an arbitrarily-large 'playing field' [04:39]
antephialtic so memory hardness? [04:39]
asciilifeform antephialtic: correct. and, if you're clever, you can have difficulty ramp up to outpace any conceivable growth in vlsi density. [04:40]
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asciilifeform so hashers are stuck using external dram - or even disk, if you're sadist [04:40]
antephialtic hah. If you want to require disk, you can do proof-of-storage instead of PoW [04:41]
asciilifeform nsacoin. [04:41]
asciilifeform no thanks [04:41]
antephialtic http://cs.umd.edu/~amiller/permacoin.pdf [04:41]
antephialtic sorry for the PDF [04:42]
asciilifeform the problem with any such experiment is that, ultimately, 'the race is to the swift.' [04:42]
asciilifeform and the lamers aren't going to like who that turns out to be [04:42]
mircea_popescu ^ [04:43]
asciilifeform that is, even a hypothetical permanently 'asic-proof' algo rewards... botnets. [04:43]
mircea_popescu there is the problem. it's all trying to somehow build equality out of technology. [04:43]
mircea_popescu cryptocoins are here to bring inequality back to its proper size [04:43]
mircea_popescu not in any way reduce it. [04:43]
asciilifeform there's possible merit to the experiment if you have a specific enemy in mind, who Must Die (tm), rather than some foggy notion of 'equality' [04:44]
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antephialtic I don't think cryptocoins will make the world any more egalitarian. Probably less so, as their widespread use would deny the state a lot of tax revenue [04:44]
antephialtic but I think that is inevitable, and if it is going to happen, I'd rather end up at the top instead of getting crushed in the transition [04:45]
mircea_popescu antephialtic but the whole argument behind scrypt,. and behind asic-resistence, and all that jazz is "other people than us have better resources and are being rewarded for this." [04:45]
antephialtic and to that I say, that's just how the world works [04:46]
pankkake so altcoins are socialism? [04:46]
mircea_popescu it's pure jealousy, and well... that's not part of the laws of nature. [04:46]
antephialtic This guy gets it: http://blog.gardeviance.org/2013/11/a-spoiler-for-future-bitcoin.html [04:46]
antephialtic even if he doesn't like the outcome [04:46]
mircea_popescu pankkake not altcoins, but teh people bitching about how other people are eating "their" share of the pie are. [04:46]
asciilifeform if you're willing to sign under 'i wish victory to botnet artists but not semiconductor makers', you can work with that. [04:46]
pankkake yeah, I've seen that in people praising Bernankoin without getting it [04:47]
mircea_popescu antephialtic seems just a rehash of older material really. [04:48]
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pankkake by the way: http://blog.oleganza.com/post/79783931404/idea-of-a-useful-altcoin (last two paragraphs) [04:48]
mircea_popescu "Austerity measures will have taken the route of unprecedented and radical decimation of the state - everything from state provided healthcare to coastguards to income support to education will be practically gone replaced with numerous forms of bitcoin based insurance." [04:49]
mircea_popescu this is what, trilema cca 2012. [04:49]
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antephialtic mp: I wasn't reasing trilema in 2012 :) [04:50]
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antephialtic pankkake: I think that is wishful thinking [04:51]
mircea_popescu idiot b;logger.com. was gonna leave the guy a reply, but a well. [04:51]
asciilifeform i'm genuinely curious if any of the 'alt workfunction' folks are going for something other than 'equality!11' [04:51]
antephialtic mp: talk to him on twitter, he's pretty active [04:52]
antephialtic @swardley [04:52]
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antephialtic pankakke: the solution to fixing bitcoin is not to make it more complex. that just increases the inertia of having multiple compatible implementations [04:53]
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pankkake antephialtic: that's why I said last two paragraphs ;) [04:54]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-and-the-poor/ < now you can read 2012 trilema antephialtic :p [04:54]
ozbot Bitcoin and the poor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:54]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ that too i guess [04:55]
ozbot The politics of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:55]
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antephialtic mircea_popescu: the first post was quite good [05:03]
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antephialtic will be interested to see you two fight it out on twitter. his opinions (on politics at least) seem to be the polar opposite of yours [05:04]
antephialtic I'm sure this will be quite entertaining to you as well: http://blog.gardeviance.org/2014/03/how-to-fix-bitcoin.html [05:05]
antephialtic his recipe for how the government could "fix" bitcoin [05:05]
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antephialtic his thoughts: "Now, whilst some might welcome the reduction in the state caused by a loss of taxation, the state is THE key economic driver of innovation, prosperity and social mobility. The laissez faire economic system is an extreme mindset of some of the more ardent supporters of Freidmanism and the Chicago School. There is no basis for assuming a beneficial society can be created without the state and in all likelihood i [05:05]
antephialtic t'll lead to a future consolidation of wealth, extremely low levels of social mobility and weak economic performance compared to countries that use a more mixed method. From a competition viewpoint this is not a good position." [05:05]
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MisterE when was the last time a government "fixed" anything? [05:06]
MisterE seriously? [05:06]
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antephialtic well, inventing the ARPAnet was one kind of cool thing [05:08]
MisterE Like lawyers and consultants they thrive on problems not on solving them heh [05:08]
MisterE ok I'll concede arpanet :) [05:08]
Duffer1 nasa [05:08]
MisterE +2 [05:08]
Duffer1 that's all i got.. [05:08]
asciilifeform it seems odd, to say the least, to lump together projects done on embezzled government coin, and ones planned/ordered by bureaucrats. [05:08]
Duffer1 oh highways [05:09]
MisterE well the were nice but are fallig apart now [05:09]
asciilifeform same for any idiot organization - see history of 'unix' [05:09]
MisterE those grades are the most vluable though [05:09]
MisterE can be repaved or whatever [05:09]
mircea_popescu ahahaha diablo 3 apparently still thinks it exists, made update, costs 40 bux [05:10]
asciilifeform just about every interesting technology attributed to a mega-organization was done on 'stolen time.' [05:10]
antephialtic regardless of your thoughts on welfare, with regards to science their are many avenues of basic research that cannot be justified from a pure ROI standpoint yet have long term benefits to technological advancement. Such as the development of pure mathematics, etcetra [05:11]
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antephialtic hard to see how such pursuits would be funded without a system of universities (and thereby the state that funds it) [05:11]
MisterE I wish when government funded that kind of research the first priority was not always to weaponize it if possible [05:11]
asciilifeform mr. mold had a good tidbit on this: [05:12]
asciilifeform 'The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office. But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scient [05:12]
asciilifeform ific Bondo, sanded to perfection and painted with meticulous care.' [05:12]
asciilifeform (http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2010/01/hanson-moldbug-debate.html) [05:12]
MisterE you need a state with a surplus to do that too [05:12]
mircea_popescu antephialtic if you think the welfare state did anything for the advancement of pure mathematics... [05:13]
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mircea_popescu look up perelman sometime./ [05:13]
antephialtic mircea_popescu: not the welfare state, but the state, certainly [05:14]
mircea_popescu not at all. [05:14]
mircea_popescu the state is everywhere and all the time a drawback. [05:14]
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MisterE the other thing about the 'intangible benefits' of research and exploration is that it inspires and this is so very much lacking in todays youth. When we were walking on the moon people were amazed and wanted to be engineers, nothing like that now. The biggest value to come out of the Apollo project was the increased interest in science. [05:15]
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mircea_popescu not that people can't rehash the ancient arguments re the importance of the church and present them de novo in favour of the state. [05:15]
mircea_popescu but they're as false today as they were in 1700. [05:15]
mircea_popescu MisterE hunger inspires. [05:15]
mircea_popescu not "science". [05:15]
MisterE hunger inspires looking for food, not looking toward the stars heh [05:15]
mircea_popescu so you think. [05:16]
mircea_popescu but what would you know of it ? [05:16]
mircea_popescu nothing really, all the overfed know of hunger is their terror. [05:16]
MisterE nothing other than being a space enthusiast [05:16]
MisterE this topic comes up regularly in #space [05:17]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'll patronize science just fine. [05:17]
mircea_popescu what i dislike is a bunch of fucktards going around with money that isn't theirs, muddying things up. [05:18]
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mike_c omg. the log is remapping pathways in my brain. it's making me dyslexic. [05:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you gotta fix that thing srsly. [05:28]
mike_c it is funny though :) [05:28]
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kakobrekla eh, let the girl have a day off [05:29]
mircea_popescu i dunno what i'll do tomorro morning. [05:29]
mircea_popescu maybe discover who satoshi really is... [05:29]
mircea_popescu antephialtic well your friend won't irc and i'm not about to argue with anyone on twitter, so i guess that's that. [05:31]
antephialtic eh, too bad [05:32]
MisterE Blogging is one thing and quick tweets are easy too but defending your positions in real time is another animal many are not prepared for. [05:34]
MisterE I've always been an IMer so prefer it [05:34]
mircea_popescu this is true. [05:35]
antephialtic agreed. additionally Many do not prefer to enter a potentially compromising conversation when the medium is written [05:37]
antephialtic if things go badly, the evidence will be everlasting [05:37]
kakobrekla anyway, just add ?stopitkako if you really need a clean log nao. [05:37]
mircea_popescu lol [05:38]
mircea_popescu wait was this for april fools' ? [05:38]
kakobrekla yea [05:38]
mircea_popescu awww! [05:38]
mircea_popescu well it is a cute joke lol [05:38]
mircea_popescu but thanks for the fix. [05:38]
BingoBoingo +2 Great troll [05:38]
MisterE oh yea, let the fooling begin! [05:38]
mike_c now do one on bitbet where all the weights flip! [05:39]
ThickAsThieves i enjoyed the garble, was a nice surprise reading logs on tablet [05:39]
asciilifeform is there really anyone left who doesn't understand that, if you're transmitting plaintext, 'the medium is written' always? [05:39]
ThickAsThieves these forum people now think my account was compromised [05:39]
ThickAsThieves this mentality is ... [05:39]
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ThickAsThieves incurable [05:39]
MisterE lol just saw it great work kakobrekla :) [05:39]
kakobrekla thank you! [05:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform people have peculiar interactions with the voices in their heads. it leads to fascinating conclusions. [05:40]
mircea_popescu http://szabo.best.vwh.net/history.html << szabo kicks ass btw. [05:41]
ozbot History and the Security of Property [05:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: recently i was reading some vintage dan mocsny (circa '91) and spotted szabo in the thread... [05:41]
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mircea_popescu they got along ? [05:42]
ThickAsThieves jimmothy is disappointed in me [05:42]
asciilifeform more or less. [05:42]
asciilifeform https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.singles/5bYxszUQKDY/o8fkGj7yEzEJ [05:44]
ozbot Grupos de Google [05:44]
antephialtic a fool and his bitcoin are soon parted [05:44]
asciilifeform example of quality mocsny: [05:46]
asciilifeform https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.singles/5bYxszUQKDY/05P-h5JY6YEJ [05:46]
ozbot Grupos de Google [05:46]
mircea_popescu da fuck is this google groups bs [05:46]
asciilifeform not my fault these bozos bought the world's only reasonably-complete usenet archive. [05:47]
asciilifeform ('dejanews') [05:47]
mircea_popescu le suck. [05:48]
ThickAsThieves new michael jackson album coming [05:48]
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ThickAsThieves produced by timbland [05:49]
ThickAsThieves which means itll be great or horrible [05:49]
ThickAsThieves he does a pretty good job with timberlake' [05:49]
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ThickAsThieves but i suspect the powers that be will pummel him into mediocrity [05:49]
mircea_popescu how is it a mj album [05:50]
ThickAsThieves unreleased tracks, redone music to be 'modernized' [05:50]
MisterE probably samples of unreleased studio stuff [05:50]
pankkake sounds fishy [05:50]
ThickAsThieves i'm surprised it took this long really [05:50]
mircea_popescu i wonder if this nonsense will become a trend. [05:50]
decimation guys someone who writes like dotcoin has hacked the log server and raped the logs!!! [05:50]
ThickAsThieves it's an old trend [05:50]
mircea_popescu decimation lol best 1 so far. [05:51]
MisterE indeed been around for a long time [05:51]
ThickAsThieves many posthumous albums come from the hip pop world [05:51]
MisterE 2Pac and BIG all had multiple albums after death [05:51]
MisterE but 2_ac had actually laid down the tracks in a premonition of his upcoming death he went on a recording binge [05:51]
mircea_popescu bounce check it out mang, you're now famous http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=92 [05:51]
ThickAsThieves nice quote [05:52]
MisterE Wonder if he recalls making it [05:52]
ThickAsThieves the past is the past, only time will tell [05:53]
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cazalla i wrote this song in 94' [06:04]
artifexd What the hell?!? http://www.reddit.com/r/celebs [06:08]
artifexd Oh. April Fools. [06:08]
MisterE artifexd: http://www.reddit.com/r/thewalkingdead [06:09]
MisterE http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/21/us-ukraine-crisis-lithuania-idUSBREA2K1HP20140321 [06:09]
ozbot Lithuania bans Russian TV station over 'lies' [06:09]
mircea_popescu . [06:10]
mircea_popescu lol wouldn't cn love to sell reddit. [06:10]
pankkake funny stuff, I was reading /r/thewalkingdead when they switched on the thing [06:11]
diametric mircea_popescu: reddit's not owned by cn anymore [06:12]
diametric as of august 2012 if I remember correctly [06:12]
mircea_popescu no ? [06:12]
diametric Though, CN's parent company still holds a significant portion of shares they're independently owned [06:12]
mircea_popescu still owned by advance [06:13]
mircea_popescu idun see much diff. [06:13]
diametric Maybe so, I vaguely remember at the time of it happening a lot of organization changes took place but its been a while now. [06:14]
mircea_popescu "Charlie Shrem, known for his alleged involvement in the Silk Road scandal, is in talks with US prosecutors for a plea bargain." [06:15]
pankkake http://www.coindesk.com/reddit-ceo-thinks-world-dogecoin-slams-crazy-bitcoiners/ [06:15]
mircea_popescu "According to a March 28th filing in Manhattan federal court, Assistant U.S. Attorney Serrin Turner has asked for the 24-year-old Shrem’s case to be postponed until April 28th." [06:16]
antephialtic AKA shrem is talking [06:17]
asciilifeform '“It couldn’t be stupider, and that’s why it’s brilliant,” he concluded.' << me brain dumped core. [06:17]
antephialtic and probably trying to incriminate others [06:17]
MisterE only reason to talk [06:17]
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antephialtic well the other guy, BTCKing is definitely the bigger prize for the state since he was actually laundering SR money [06:19]
antephialtic Shrem was just being used, and too negligent to realize [06:19]
MisterE oh I thought BTCKing was done in [06:19]
MisterE the whole gaggle of them are retarded and deserve what they get [06:20]
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ThickAsThieves shrem is 24? [06:24]
ThickAsThieves he looks closer to 42 [06:24]
antephialtic its the natural jew hair [06:24]
antephialtic and the smoking of too many substances [06:25]
mircea_popescu he's in his 20s. thermos too. most of them are too young for this shit rly. [06:26]
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decimation asciilifeform: Wong would mock those who use microscopes as hammers; his sophistocated set only use bespoke polished turds [06:28]
asciilifeform lol [06:28]
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ThickAsThieves hell i'm too young and too old for this [06:29]
mircea_popescu decimation you familiar with the bespoke fucksmith ? [06:31]
MisterE http://whitecollarfraud.blogspot.com/2014/03/update-on-bitcoin-money-laundering-case.html [06:32]
ozbot White Collar Fraud: Update on Bitcoin Money Laundering Case: Both Defendants Are Talking to the Feds [06:32]
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decimation is that from oglaf? [06:36]
decimation Your link on trilema had me laughing for a few hours [06:36]
mircea_popescu yeah, they came up wirth it [06:37]
mircea_popescu now i can't see bespoke without thinking of it. [06:37]
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mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9qxdcq1b01r1biako1_1280.jpg [06:38]
decimation http://freakonomics.com/2014/03/27/why-everybody-who-doesnt-hate-bitcoin-loves-it-full-transcript/ [06:39]
decimation ANDREESSEN: One of the characteristics of a new idea is all the experts who came up in the old regime look at it and laugh...Almost exactly 300 years ago, a Scottish economist, ironically, named John Law basically invented at the time this crazy idea of paper currency or fiat currency. ... And every economist on the planet 300 years ago thought that he was a complete lunatic. And so I think this is just the story, the recurring story of how [06:39]
decimation progress happens. [06:39]
decimation Except, anyone who takes bitcoin seriously would also think that John Law is a lunatic [06:40]
mircea_popescu notrly. [06:40]
mircea_popescu i dun think so for instance [06:40]
mircea_popescu the problem with paper money run by a government is exactly the same as the problem with a bitcoin run by government. [06:42]
mircea_popescu but it's not of the paper. [06:42]
decimation it sounds like trying to grasp both poles of a contradiction [06:42]
mircea_popescu how do you mean ? [06:42]
chetty keyword = government [06:43]
decimation it seems like it's not possible for bitcoin to be run by a government [06:43]
decimation assuming some level of permability in cross-border communications [06:43]
mircea_popescu im sure when law was writing it wasn't directly obvious that the thing'll end up as a welfare scam either. [06:43]
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decimation that's a good point [06:44]
mircea_popescu that aside, obviously the technology is better, crypto chain > paper issuance. [06:44]
mircea_popescu but in the same sense the tech of a pistol is better than the tech of a sword. [06:44]
mircea_popescu nothing wrong with either of the two, up until they're being brandished by a thief. [06:44]
decimation if bitcoin is the new Venice, will not bitcoin also eventually form its own customs and laws, like Venice? [06:45]
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mircea_popescu and sink, like venice ? [06:45]
decimation probably [06:46]
MisterE at the time though paper was an technology upgrade to other mediums of exchange [06:46]
mircea_popescu anyway it's already forming its own customs and laws. [06:46]
MisterE so reasonable historically [06:46]
mircea_popescu MisterE the best part is this : at the time, if i told a proponent that "govt will just monopolize it" he'd just have loled at me. "what are you talking about, ANYONE CAN ISSUE PAPER" [06:46]
mircea_popescu well... at the time this was true. [06:46]
MisterE yea [06:47]
mircea_popescu it didn't last so long, and of course for "very good reasons" (tm) [06:47]
decimation that's a good poing [06:47]
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MisterE bitcoin comes with checks and balances built-in and can be upgraded [06:47]
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mircea_popescu lol. so does paper. [06:48]
decimation meanwhile, the NY state regulator on bitcoin (from my link): LAWSKY: Yes, and I think my understanding and it was really from the day-two testimony when I asked that question again about programmable currency that that is one of the things that potentially you could have with the color coding. They also gave an example of a young person whose parents want to give them an allowance but want to make sure that it goes for certain things and not [06:48]
decimation other things. [06:48]
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decimation sigh [06:48]
mircea_popescu you still gotta use them for them to work. [06:48]
MisterE heh in a way I guess [06:48]
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mircea_popescu tech. 2000 years later, still not a silver bullet. [06:49]
MisterE there's no built-in check to the amount of fiat that can be created though [06:49]
MisterE so it's improving [06:49]
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mircea_popescu MisterE in the same sense there's no built in check to the number of alt coins that can be created [06:49]
MisterE as fiat was an improvement over exchanging chickens and goats I guess [06:49]
MisterE true [06:49]
mircea_popescu fiat was not a replacement for barter [06:49]
mircea_popescu fiat grew out of goldsmith depositary receipts. [06:50]
MisterE I generally dont give alt coins much creedance but that may be a mistake [06:50]
MisterE no reason to say BTC will be the one that "wins" [06:50]
mircea_popescu but anyway, tis late. we'll continue... tomorrow. which is another day. [06:50]
MisterE nn [06:51]
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mircea_popescu morning good channel [15:10]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [15:11]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.99, Best ask: 479.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.01000, Last trade: 479.0, 24 hour volume: 24191.52407663, 24 hour low: 446.02, 24 hour high: 509.98, 24 hour vwap: 470.685034162 [15:11]
jurov morning! [15:11]
mircea_popescu ;;coin [15:12]
gribble heads [15:12]
nubbins` morning [15:13]
nubbins` fuckin snowpocalypse here [15:13]
nubbins` 40cm overnight [15:13]
thestringpuller poor canadians [15:13]
thestringpuller they don't get spring time [15:13]
nubbins` i'm waiting for mother nature to pop out and say APRIL FOOLS LELELEL [15:13]
mircea_popescu nubbins` tis global warming. [15:14]
nubbins` one of the biggest mistakes ever was referring to man-made climate change as such [15:14]
mircea_popescu deck the halls in boughs of snowy [15:14]
mircea_popescu lalalala la la la laaa [15:14]
antephialtic in other news, coinbase may have been hacked. [15:15]
mircea_popescu i suspect one of the biggest mistakes ever would be to try and rescue the stupidity of global warming by semantics. [15:15]
mircea_popescu antephialtic myeah. [15:15]
mircea_popescu except you know, they are "professional" and thus fail to communicate. [15:15]
antephialtic they had a security issue that allowed user accounts to be enumerated, and I suspect that is the problem, that scammers are trying to combine that with fake info and sell as a real dump [15:16]
antephialtic but the hacker also has names associated with accounts [15:16]
antephialtic and offered to give password hash + last 4 digits of credit card if I pm'd him my email (which I didn't) [15:16]
antephialtic somewhat concerning [15:16]
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nubbins` someone shared this in -otc earlier [15:17]
nubbins` http://pastebin.com/RzWipJFb [15:17]
ozbot ,-----. ,--. - Pastebin.com [15:17]
antephialtic I don't have any funds in coinbase, but they are a major point of centralization [15:17]
jurov well, i'm looking how will mircea call it when when half of oceania finally drowns [15:17]
jurov prolly he'll just call them stupid and move on [15:17]
nubbins` jurov: "all a big scam" ;p [15:17]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/450692492741320705 antephialtic :p [15:17]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/KE3CB9NVZq Today ... [15:17]
nubbins` OH MY GOD A SNOW PLOW [15:17]
antephialtic mircea_popescu: that is the aformentioned user email enumeration issue [15:18]
nubbins` don't i just feel silly for shovelling a walking path down the middle of my street [15:18]
mircea_popescu jurov half of "oceania" is what exactly, some islands ? [15:18]
mircea_popescu oceania is not a thing [15:18]
antephialtic the hackers claim to have actually pwned coinbase [15:18]
jurov oceania are islnds by definition [15:18]
mircea_popescu jurov just saying, i called it stupid and moved on when i was about 9 [15:18]
mircea_popescu has nothing to do with this [15:18]
jurov ah "not a thing"... another mp's canned reply [15:18]
mircea_popescu it's not canned, i make them up fresh. [15:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform forwarded you some mile long email, mostly because i have no consideration for your time apparently. [15:19]
mircea_popescu but also because who knows, could be a comedy goldmine. [15:20]
mircea_popescu jurov no but seriously, what, some coral reefs ? some volcanic islands a mile wide ? this is something someone should care about ? [15:20]
mircea_popescu tickle the volcanoes, make a whole new "oceania" [15:21]
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mircea_popescu antephialtic myeah. [15:22]
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antephialtic anyways, its just alarming because the full name stuff is apparently real and doesn't seem possible to have been acquired by the email enumeration attack [15:23]
mircea_popescu probably leveraged it. [15:23]
antephialtic probably. [15:23]
moiety wtf freenode+ [15:23]
mircea_popescu as someone said, when therer's a cockroach in plain sight, that's never the only cockroach around. [15:23]
antephialtic yeah I suppose they could have just used the emails to google for the names and then released that as a "partial dump" [15:24]
antephialtic when all they really had was the emails, and they were trying to get some idiot to buy their fake dump [15:24]
jurov http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.shtml [15:25]
ozbot Sea Level Trends - NOAA Tides & Currents [15:25]
mircea_popescu they also released the known but apparently not widely known fact that coinbase is forwarding all tx history to teh us alphabet soup on a daily basis. [15:25]
jurov here the north sees sea level going down because glaciers melt and earth goes up because of reduced weight [15:25]
nubbins` jurov: http://imgur.com/Ydmf7Xl [15:25]
mircea_popescu hahaha [15:26]
nubbins` XD [15:26]
jurov but in tropics, everyone who lives in few meters above seal level is going to have problem sooner or later [15:26]
nubbins` trying to make the best of this april 1, the weather isn't helping [15:26]
jurov nubbins` yup :) [15:26]
antephialtic mp: yeah the hacker claimed to have found a file on their server called "compliance_dailysftp.rb" that uploaded a daily dump to IRS/FinCEN/FBI [15:26]
mircea_popescu jurov everyone is going to have problems sooner or later anyway. that's the definition of problems. [15:27]
antephialtic I asked them to pastebin it, then the guy told me to fuck off :) [15:27]
mircea_popescu antephialtic there's reasons we don't trust coinbase after all. [15:27]
antephialtic the only credible thing about that was that it is known their site is implemented in ruby on rails [15:27]
nubbins` what site isn't?! [15:27]
mircea_popescu no, i'll certify it if you care. [15:27]
nubbins` (lel) [15:27]
jurov as long as the problem don't cause mass migrations, it's fine [15:27]
mircea_popescu jurov well mass migrations out of oceania seems to be against your definition of oceania [15:28]
mircea_popescu mass migrations out of the tropics have been a thing since the 50s [15:28]
mircea_popescu the 1850s. [15:28]
jurov southeast asia will be the next [15:28]
mircea_popescu because the tropics suck ass, because they had run a welfare system for centuries. [15:28]
nubbins` i, for one, am looking forward to warmer summers, if not a drastic increase in the price of food [15:29]
jurov nubbins`: you forgot to draw welfare/socialist button [15:29]
nubbins` jurov i wanted to strike while the iron was hot ;( [15:29]
nubbins` i even forgot the "global warming" button [15:29]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` ya srsly, how about you make a much bigger board ? this topic deserves some attention [15:29]
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nubbins` anyway, re: global warming, what are ya, michael crichton? ;p [15:30]
mircea_popescu who's that ? [15:31]
mircea_popescu "was an American best-selling author" [15:31]
mircea_popescu by now that's pretty much become my "close page" cue [15:31]
nubbins` heh. [15:31]
nubbins` read his book "state of fear", you'd love it [15:31]
nubbins` he wrote jurassic park, among others [15:32]
nubbins` http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Fear [15:32]
ozbot State of Fear - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [15:32]
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nubbins` "Most climate scientists dispute Crichton's science as being error-filled and distorted,[1][2][3][4][5][6] and it was described as "pure porn for global warming deniers" by one skeptical science journalist. [7]" [15:32]
mircea_popescu anyway. me leling at the pseudoscience of others does not promote me to the rank of pseudoscience author. [15:33]
nubbins` crichton was interesting in that he's the only novelist i can think of who included a lengthy bibliography in each book [15:33]
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nubbins` "In March 2006, [journalist Michael] Crowley wrote a strongly critical review of State of Fear, focusing on Crichton's stance on global warming. In the same year, Crichton published the novel Next, which contains a minor character named "Mick Crowley", who is a Yale graduate and a Washington D.C.based political columnist. The character was portrayed as a child molester with a small penis. The [15:34]
nubbins` character does not appear elsewhere in the book." [15:34]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [15:34]
mircea_popescu this i can get behind. [15:35]
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nubbins` anyway, lels aside, he wrote good fiction. his early stuff -- the andromeda strain, the terminal man, the great train robbery, eaters of the dead, congo... all good [15:36]
nubbins` almost all of his novels were eventually made into shitty movies, ghosts of their former selves [15:37]
nubbins` but that's the way it goes [15:37]
mircea_popescu not necessarily. [15:37]
mircea_popescu you don't HAVE TO option the book [15:37]
nubbins` well, ^ [15:37]
mircea_popescu not anymore than you have to be "professional" on tardstalk or w/e. [15:38]
nubbins` you don't HAVE TO write your critics into subsequent novels as micro-dick diddlers either :D [15:38]
mircea_popescu no, that you have to do. [15:38]
nubbins` heh. [15:38]
mircea_popescu there's haves and then there's have nots, see ? [15:38]
antephialtic any of you ever read jonathan carroll? [15:39]
nubbins` ^ is that a button or a switch? ;D [15:39]
nubbins` ante nope [15:39]
mircea_popescu nubbins` lmao the switch is in here : http://trilema.com/2011/cum-se-bate-femeia/ [15:39]
nubbins` name a good one [15:39]
antephialtic surrealist fiction. highly enjoyable. I recommend the Land of Laughs [15:39]
nubbins` heh! [15:39]
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antephialtic its a bit sentimental for the crypto-anarchist type, but I enjoy it nonetheless [15:40]
mircea_popescu kinda looking forward to a full edition mp space cadet kbd. [15:40]
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nubbins` antephialtic: as someone who's into g.g. marquez, i don't mind sentimentalism or surrealism ;D [15:41]
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nubbins` snowplow just came and pushed the contents of the street back onto my front step. gotta get back outside [15:42]
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mircea_popescu enjoy! [15:43]
antephialtic random question: anyone ever tried to reset satoshi's email password before? only required info is birthdate [15:44]
antephialtic i doubt he was dumb enough to leave any identifying info there, but it would be interesting nonetheless [15:44]
mircea_popescu well how would we know what someone tried ? [15:45]
mircea_popescu have you ? [15:45]
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antephialtic i've tried before, but after 3 (uninformed) guesses, the account got temporarily locked. Seems pretty reasonable to do over a long period of time (assuming gmx isn't smart enough to stop it) [15:54]
antephialtic it would probably be easier to just bribe a gmx employee [15:54]
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mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall#b32 [15:55]
ozbot BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall [15:55]
mircea_popescu check that shit out. falling, srsly ? [15:55]
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chetty http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/covered-california-sends-deaf-callers-to-hotline-offering-hot-ladies/ [16:01]
ozbot Covered California Sends Deaf Callers To Hotline Offering ‘Hot Ladies’ « CBS Sacramento [16:01]
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antephialtic http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/world/middleeast/jonathan-pollard.html?hp [16:03]
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antephialtic man, israel just owns the US. How is it that Israel and Palestine are the ones in conflict, yet, the US is making concessions?? [16:04]
mircea_popescu the new and much easier to read mpoe statement : [16:04]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-march-2014-statement/ [16:04]
ozbot MPOE, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [16:04]
mircea_popescu antephialtic gotta pay to play. [16:04]
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antephialtic this is analogous to the judge allowing Charlie Shrem to bang his daughter in exchange for him accepting a plea bargain [16:04]
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antephialtic makes no sense. [16:05]
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jurov mpoe-pr no more???? [16:06]
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chetty Kerry want to claim he made mideast peace [16:06]
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mircea_popescu jurov aye. [16:07]
asciilifeform i thought she just moved to new forum? [16:08]
mircea_popescu antephialtic no, it's much more like the judge allowing the two unkempt youths fuck his teenaged daughter in exchange of not having his car all scratched up. [16:08]
pLambert does she still get paid even though she got banned? [16:08]
mircea_popescu pLambert well she didn't get banned in march [16:08]
mircea_popescu what am i going to do, run mr scrooge's offices over here ? [16:09]
pLambert depends on where you live [16:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform she wants a break. [16:09]
pLambert Isn't that how you get rich, byy acting like scrooge? ;) [16:09]
mircea_popescu nah. [16:09]
mircea_popescu i got rich by acting like gotti. [16:09]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i marvel that she lasted this long - my dosimeter turns full black from just reading that phorum for a few min. [16:10]
mircea_popescu two years just about [16:10]
mircea_popescu actually... [16:10]
mircea_popescu hum the forum's down [16:11]
mircea_popescu but yes, feb 27th. she made it 25 months. [16:11]
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mircea_popescu !t hl rent [16:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00714000 / 0.00749986 / 0.00750000 (15688 shares, 117.65784000 BTC), 7D: 0.00525030 / 0.00721312 / 0.00750000 (20401 shares, 147.15492901 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.0061131 / 0.00900001 (61828 shares, 377.96051440 BTC) [16:13]
ColdHardMetal I'd say you got your money's worth. [16:14]
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mircea_popescu ColdHardMetal always a risky proposition, bitcoin divestment for fiat. who knows, maybe in a decade i live to regret it :p [16:15]
ColdHardMetal we can only hope :) [16:15]
mircea_popescu the strange things we hope for. [16:15]
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thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe [16:17]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009404 / 0.0009483 / 0.00095556 (1585392 shares, 1,503.43 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094386 / 0.00095875 (6748749 shares, 6,369.90 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087539 / 0.00096 (29415142 shares, 25,749.77 BTC) [16:17]
jurov ⚠ URGENT: Сoinbase hacked. We just sent you a request to pay 999999.99999999 BTC (worth €354,414,446.99 EUR) using Coinbase. [16:19]
jurov Click here to sign in and complete this payment LOLOLOLOL [16:19]
mircea_popescu derp. [16:19]
jurov funniest scam i have seen recently [16:20]
mircea_popescu it's not really a scam [16:20]
mircea_popescu well... i mean.... uh. [16:20]
mircea_popescu it is a scam, obviously. it's not without coinbase's involvement tho, which is what i mean. htey're using the same infrastructure a legit merchant would be using. [16:20]
ColdHardMetal I got one of those from: fuckingspammer@mailinator.com at least they're forthright about it. [16:21]
moiety i thought it was an april fools thing because of the ridiculously high numbers [16:21]
moiety and the emails [16:21]
jurov moiety and you clicked, just for fun? [16:21]
moiety i dont use coinbase lol someone showed me what they got [16:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21029 @ 0.0009404 = 19.7757 BTC [-] [16:22]
mircea_popescu twitter's been going pretty nuts over my repaste there. [16:22]
moiety tweeter? i havent been today yet [16:24]
moiety lies i did earlier [16:24]
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moiety http://i.imgur.com/NCBsGMt.png?1 thats the coinbase snip i was shown [16:26]
jurov i received exactly the text i pasted (minus the trailing LOLOLOL) [16:26]
cazalla any truth to this? http://pastebin.com/RzWipJFb [16:27]
cazalla "Coinbase provides your full transaction history to the FBI, FinCEN and IRS every day. They are under a gag order." [16:27]
mircea_popescu cazalla log ? [16:28]
thestringpuller damn [16:28]
thestringpuller guess I'm bitcoins on the street for now on [16:29]
VanCleef thats pretty messed up if true [16:29]
cazalla mircea_popescu: it was on front page of /r/bitcoin [16:29]
mircea_popescu no i mean, the answer to your q is in teh log. [16:29]
cazalla maybe someone is just taking advantage of the leaked emails to spread more bullshit [16:29]
mircea_popescu notrly. [16:29]
cazalla yeah, i'm behind [16:30]
mircea_popescu there's a reason we don't trust the bitcoin scam foundation bunch. [16:30]
antephialtic here's a short convo I had with the hacker [16:31]
antephialtic http://0bin.net/paste/hzZBFHPDAbQwhsD2#vKhxu0kyCg8fFDyoU4ERmG8vyr0KK0xrO/3cqJ+lRLI= [16:31]
ozbot 0bin - encrypted pastebin [16:31]
antephialtic or, rather his messenger [16:31]
antephialtic (obviously I wasn't going to buy the dump) [16:31]
antephialtic just wanted to see if the hack was real [16:32]
cazalla ah, nubbins` already posted it, mb [16:32]
ThickAsThieves coinbase joke is stupid [16:32]
VanCleef so it is a joke tat? [16:33]
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ThickAsThieves obv [16:37]
ThickAsThieves they were so scared people would think it was real they put hack in the subject of the email [16:37]
ThickAsThieves the point of April Fools is for the target to think it's real [16:37]
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ThickAsThieves it's like Troll Appreciation Day [16:38]
VanCleef well 10 chinese bitcoiners did get executed today by the chinese gov, i don't think they're laughing [16:38]
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ThickAsThieves no, but they are happy [16:40]
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cazalla VanCleef: I googled that - chinese bitcoiners executed, first result is a laugh [16:41]
cazalla "Bitcoiners prefer finance and kindles to sex" [16:41]
jurov http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2593755/The-subway-train-climb-skyscraper-Radical-new-concept-vertical-stations-New-york-London.html [16:42]
ozbot Hyper Speed Vertical Train Hub proposed for New York and London | Mail Online [16:42]
VanCleef reading [16:42]
jurov lol [16:42]
jurov the illustrations with the birds... [16:42]
mircea_popescu look kakobrekla now your ?trick is immortalised : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/450987172683055104 [16:46]
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moiety ThickAsThieves: i thought as much because of the emails and the fact all the amounts were so stupidly high [16:55]
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ThickAsThieves question, why are US capital gains tax tiers gated by the one-year term? and is it appropriate to apply such to bitcoin under those reasons. [16:56]
VanCleef i think its obamas fault [16:57]
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ThickAsThieves i assume it's to promote longer terms of invetsment, but is that to benefit the dollar itself, or to promote longer-term invetsments in the economy of the country? [16:57]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you really must ask a tax accountant that. [17:04]
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mircea_popescu my own guess would be that it's one of those quirks that end up in legislation of dual party systems [17:05]
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mircea_popescu ie, some nonsense both sides were too tired and too tied down other places to argue [17:05]
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antephialtic as you said, its to incentivize long term investment over short term speculation [17:06]
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ThickAsThieves wow i thought youd have the usual make-me-feel-like-an-idiot answer [17:06]
ThickAsThieves i am disappoint [17:06]
ThickAsThieves :) [17:06]
mircea_popescu lol nubbins` add a switch pls. [17:07]
ThickAsThieves antephialtic, but why [17:07]
nubbins` you are [an idiot/wasting my time/first against the wall when i am king] [17:07]
antephialtic because old people who vote tend to buy and hold over the long term. but uncle sam wants some of those sweet profits from the prop traders on wall street [17:07]
ThickAsThieves i doubt thats the reason on record [17:08]
antephialtic and as a form of social engineering to make the capital markets more stable [17:08]
mircea_popescu sooo.... someone just sent a 2btc donation to mah trilema credits address ? [17:08]
mircea_popescu ty, kind sir. [17:08]
ThickAsThieves it would seem it promotes/protects inflation somewhat [17:08]
mircea_popescu nubbins` no, more like "if you throw this the op feels like an idiot" [17:08]
nubbins` heh [17:08]
nubbins` tat this is related to http://imgur.com/Ydmf7Xl [17:08]
nubbins` TBH "bitcoin is here to cum" might be my favourite [17:09]
the20year2 Major news : Berkshire hathaway acquires RENT. [17:09]
mircea_popescu i thought they just bought the month of april. [17:09]
the20year2 Just april the 1st [17:10]
ThickAsThieves har har [17:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35800 @ 0.00094465 = 33.8185 BTC [+] {2} [17:11]
mircea_popescu nubbins` do you have a @twitter or too hipster for THAT too, in adition to atc ? [17:11]
nubbins` https://twitter.com/jon_keefe mostly abandoned [17:11]
ozbot JK (jon_keefe) on Twitter [17:11]
mircea_popescu MPOE-PR : "whai are you a muffin of pubic hair with a sausage finger?!" [17:11]
mircea_popescu the obvious answer being, "because that's what nubbins` makes : sausages" [17:11]
nubbins` heh. [17:11]
nubbins` that's your beard [17:12]
nubbins` overhead shot obv [17:12]
nubbins` why is mpoe-pr a muffin of pubic hair with a sausage finger? [17:12]
nubbins` ;D [17:12]
mircea_popescu lol [17:13]
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mircea_popescu the log's even better : mircea_popescu: a hair MPOE-PR you "whai : are of sausage a finger?!" pubic with muffin [17:14]
mircea_popescu 14:11:52 [17:14]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu: makes nubbins` that's : being, obvious answer sausages" "because the what [17:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2014#596613 ftw [17:15]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [17:15]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell decimation epic quote, i shall use it! [17:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:15]
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mircea_popescu so lemme push everyone's favourite button then. [17:21]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/c8a06a01154cdf78222c69e79f4190f4/tumblr_mj8qtnW5CH1s7eb1eo1_500.jpg [17:21]
nubbins` haha [17:22]
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locksmith dude my girlfriend's sitting 1 inch from me [17:22]
nubbins` better stop clicking links then [17:23]
ThickAsThieves welcome to the internet, gf [17:23]
mircea_popescu why so short ? [17:23]
mircea_popescu 1 inch isn't much [17:23]
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ThickAsThieves it's the leftove rinch [17:23]
nubbins` 14:22:51locksmith:inch from me sitting dude my girlfriend's 1 [17:23]
locksmith haahhaahah [17:23]
mircea_popescu lol good one tat. [17:23]
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mircea_popescu locksmith http://trilema.com/2014/cunt-size-discussion-this-is-guaranteed-to-be-weird/ << read her that for a bedtime story. [17:24]
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ThickAsThieves "inside" jokes ftw [17:24]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.61995572 = 11.7792 BTC [+] {5} [17:25]
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ThickAsThieves in other news: http://www.newsit.com.cy/default.php?pname=Article&art_id=134250&catid=31 [17:25]
locksmith just read the article as well, I can translate it for anyone interested [17:25]
mircea_popescu locksmith go ahead [17:26]
mircea_popescu summary tho pls. [17:26]
locksmith yep. (it's saying stuff discussed over at btctalk but whatever) [17:26]
locksmith title: "NeoBee ceo nowhere to be found" [17:26]
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locksmith - trading of company's stock halted [17:27]
moiety http://imgur.com/blog/2014/03/31/introducing-imgur-viralizer/ [17:27]
ozbot imgur: the simple imgur blog [17:27]
mircea_popescu wouldn't it be ironic if neobee ends up getting more press for free now than they got back when they were paying for it ? [17:27]
locksmith they're saying that them (newsit.com,cy) as well as Politis newspaper tried to contact the company and could not get ahodl of them [17:28]
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novusordo "Coinbase provides your full transaction history to the FBI, FinCEN and IRS every day. They are under a gag order." [17:28]
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antephialtic TaT: do you actually know why the shares stopped trading? [17:28]
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ThickAsThieves i believe a reason was given publically, no? [17:28]
locksmith also the article goes on and on wondering how many people danny took money from [17:29]
locksmith and then just translates bits and pieces from the coindesk article [17:29]
mircea_popescu locksmith hopefully they don't keep on with this or else maged might ban newsit.com.cy [17:29]
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locksmith including danny's supposed "quote" [17:29]
antephialtic "questionable trading" [17:29]
antephialtic ... what really happened [17:29]
mircea_popescu antephialtic my own theory, as a completely uninvolved observer, is this : [17:30]
mircea_popescu havelock is under a lot of pressure because all their scammy assets are turning into a visible loss, so rather than man up to it they prefer to simply close trading as the bubbles pop. [17:30]
VanCleef i think havelock will close down sometime this year [17:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18240 @ 0.00094769 = 17.2859 BTC [+] {3} [17:31]
ThickAsThieves Neo compliance officer did make a formal recommendation to halt [17:31]
locksmith I'm an uninvolved observer as well but have 2 individual sources within Neo. the hard truth is that for the past week the employees could not get ahold of DB, and their paychecks will probably not be met for the month of March (they haven't been paid yet from what I know) [17:31]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/617/and-then-there-was-one/ [17:31]
ozbot BitBet - And Then There Was One [17:31]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves locksmith these things seem a little contradictory. [17:31]
antephialtic (also uninvolved, just curious) [17:32]
antephialtic locksmith, seems like a very elaborate scam, no? why not just steal all the money after the IPO, why go to all the trouble of building a storefront and advertising, etc. [17:32]
mircea_popescu antephialtic i dunno that scam was ever seriously argued other than as a technicality. [17:33]
antephialtic and MP, that explains the trading freeze, not the disappearance of the CEO [17:33]
antephialtic regardless of the tradeing being stopped, surely a competent/engaged CEO would have issued a statement to reassure investors? [17:34]
locksmith I haven't called scam. all I'm saying is that they got to a point where they can't pay back their creditors. i.e. they owe over 150,000 euros to their marketing/pr firm Telia & Pavla BBDO [17:34]
antephialtic what about all the capital they raised? [17:34]
antephialtic down the toilet? [17:34]
jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21x29e/a_new_forum_or_board_is_required/ WE BELIEVE [17:34]
ozbot A new forum or board is required : neobee [17:34]
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mircea_popescu antephialtic didja read the http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ ? [17:34]
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antephialtic mp: will do [17:35]
antephialtic just sayin, whatever the issue is, it isn't solely with havelock [17:35]
jurov ^ just posted clear example [17:35]
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antephialtic ain't no drama like bitcoin drama [17:35]
mircea_popescu kinda why the price is up i guess. [17:35]
mircea_popescu bitcoin, still backed by lulz and drama. [17:36]
jurov yes, neobee causing bitcoin to soar [17:36]
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locksmith also, something not said anywhere else: danny announced to his employees on thursday the 13th that he was left in his wallet with 100btc while someone overlooked into his pc and saw a bitstamp account with WAY more than that [17:37]
antephialtic bitcoin is a fractal of entertaining scams [17:37]
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lewicki breaking the bitstamp 2fa is no small feet... [17:38]
locksmith I wouldn't be surprised if he was also deep into the karpeles thing, he was looking into a flight to go to japan from cyprus through dubai and couldn't find connecting flights at dubai [17:38]
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locksmith lewicki - his account was locked in and someone saw it when danny was still on his pc [17:39]
locksmith all this are rumours of course, just to keep us entertained as the tower crumbles. [17:39]
thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe [17:39]
mircea_popescu locksmith well sure, the guy kept trying to buy relevancy, first with his clueless stumble into the bf thing, then probably derping around mtgox, [17:39]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00094007 / 0.00094763 / 0.00095556 (1579375 shares, 1,496.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094377 / 0.00095875 (6788064 shares, 6,406.40 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087566 / 0.00096 (29481818 shares, 25,816.18 BTC) [17:39]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller report was out earlier btw. [17:40]
thestringpuller yea read it, poor mpoe-pr [17:40]
thestringpuller she's taking a break you said? [17:40]
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mircea_popescu well originally it was ok, so moving over to .lk, but then she was like listen, can i have some time off nao ? [17:40]
mircea_popescu and i really don't see how i could've said no. [17:41]
ThickAsThieves things have a way of working themselves out sometimes [17:41]
mircea_popescu indubitably. [17:41]
ThickAsThieves she'll come back to obvious purpose prolly [17:41]
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thestringpuller MPOE-PR deserves a holiday. [17:42]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as any person deserves their sanity. [17:42]
mircea_popescu i know few people who could've done it, what she did [17:42]
mircea_popescu and they're all women. [17:42]
jurov yes, she deserves. and yes [17:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34528 @ 0.00094967 = 32.7902 BTC [+] {2} [17:55]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell cads no, it's not that romanian nerds fail to be socially inept. is that romanian teenage queens fail to be socially apt, and so the nerds have no contrasting background to stand out against. [17:56]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:56]
mircea_popescu moiety wait, you're pregnant ?! [17:57]
moiety lolol! no i was passing on news about someone else, mircea_popescu XD [17:58]
mircea_popescu http://rt.com/news/britain-law-children-abuse-405/ < derpiest 1st of april thing yet. [17:59]
chetty only problem is - it is not a joke :( [17:59]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the part i don't understand are the bottom left buttons. an d and an a ? whay ? [18:00]
moiety "making them a scapegoat" - thought thats one of the reasons for having kids? [18:00]
nubbins` that's an O and an A [18:00]
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nubbins` 'cause you're always saying "a a now i get it" or "o" [18:01]
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chetty moiety, +1 [18:01]
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nubbins` as someone who grew up with these words being spelled "ah" and "oh", respectively, this always struck me as quaint [18:01]
mircea_popescu oic [18:02]
mike_c btcalpha accountants say: mpoe march revenue should be 180.37141356, not 139.62178334 [18:02]
mircea_popescu well my a is an ah, but my o isn't really an oh. much more acute. [18:02]
mircea_popescu mike_c btcalpha accountants are indeed wise. [18:03]
mike_c buncha pencil pushers [18:03]
moiety i grew up with it spelt oh but i keep typing o since coming here lol [18:03]
mircea_popescu well mohiety, that'd be because you're flexible. [18:04]
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nubbins` heh [18:04]
nubbins` mirceah pohpescu [18:05]
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nubbins` time for shovelling (round 5) [18:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` did i ever tell you about that one time i had to do it ? [18:06]
moiety lolol [18:06]
mircea_popescu http://gawker.com/does-mt-goxs-ceo-have-a-secret-history-of-online-payme-1534752110 [18:07]
ozbot Does Mt.Gox's CEO Have a Secret History of Committing Fraud? [18:07]
mircea_popescu at the risk of beating a dead, if fat, horse. [18:07]
moiety my friend dug out a race track for his dog in his garden [18:07]
VanCleef short answer, yes [18:07]
VanCleef very dodgy character [18:07]
danielpbarron darkee davout deadweasel deizel dexX7 Diablo-D3 diametric diana_coman dignork dirt_ donpillou dR3 draino_ drkow dub_ dxrt [18:09]
mircea_popescu davout / pankkake what'd be your english rendition of "souricière" ? [18:09]
davout mousetrap? [18:09]
mircea_popescu well obviously [18:10]
mircea_popescu is it the lock-up in the police station where they keep people pre-warrant ? [18:10]
davout yes, that too [18:10]
mircea_popescu gawker's french is worse than mine. [18:11]
mircea_popescu you'd think, you know, for some progressive libtards wearing no bras because their mothers burned them in paris in 68 [18:11]
mircea_popescu they'd have a more cursive mastery of that language. [18:12]
davout whatcha referring to? [18:12]
mircea_popescu earlier linked piece [18:12]
mircea_popescu http://gawker.com/does-mt-goxs-ceo-have-a-secret-history-of-online-payme-1534752110 [18:12]
ozbot Does Mt.Gox's CEO Have a Secret History of Committing Fraud? [18:12]
davout ah [18:12]
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davout yes, they got the souricière thing wrong [18:13]
davout it doesn't refer to entrapment but more to the cell itself [18:13]
mircea_popescu right. [18:13]
mircea_popescu "The Bitcoin community will surely learn a number of lessons from the Mt. Gox disaster, and here is a simple one: when investing in Bitcoin, make sure the guy you're trusting with your money doesn't have a secret past committing fraud. Even if that means finding someone who knows French." [18:13]
mircea_popescu that part at least is workable. [18:13]
mircea_popescu though they should take their own advice :D [18:13]
davout yes, the bitcoin community totally has a history of learning from lessons [18:13]
mircea_popescu vaguely related, [18:14]
mircea_popescu http://gawkersucks.blogspot.ro/2013/01/hey-jordan-sargent-fix-your-article.html [18:14]
ozbot Gawker Sucks: Hey Jordan Sargent: Fix your article [18:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06689832 = 0.4014 BTC [+] {3} [18:15]
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jurov lol that's like "make sure you don't disclose anything to secret agent" [18:17]
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aclot http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21xcde/neo_bee_employees_unpaid_and_unable_to_contact/ [18:19]
aclot :) [18:19]
antephialtic http://www.reddit.com/r/neobee/comments/21xfdf/is_it_possible_the_person_selling_those_shares/ [18:19]
ozbot Is it possible the person selling those shares was Danny Brewster? : neobee [18:19]
antephialtic lulz [18:20]
aclot bwah [18:20]
mircea_popescu much lol. [18:20]
mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21xcde/neo_bee_employees_unpaid_and_unable_to_contact/cghcvfn [18:22]
ozbot JuicyGrabs comments on Neo & Bee employees unpaid and unable to contact CEO @BtcDanny [18:22]
mircea_popescu i like that part. [18:22]
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mircea_popescu for my numerous crimes of having known about various future pops months/weeks in advance, i shall henceforth be known as mp_goldstein [18:23]
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antephialtic I didn't "lose" anything because I don't invest for short term and to be swayed by trolls and paid shills. I used this chance to buy more. [18:24]
VanCleef mp_steinberg [18:25]
mircea_popescu which steinberg ? [18:26]
chetty mp_nostradamos [18:26]
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mircea_popescu antephialtic he's fine, his investment is for the longest term. [18:27]
antephialtic infinite term. [18:27]
jurov till death do us part [18:27]
mircea_popescu st peter's book of investments. [18:28]
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antephialtic they should have named the company herp & derp [18:31]
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mircea_popescu the neo forum name was taken [18:32]
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mircea_popescu soo, someone had pointed out an error with the bitbet dividend last month ? [18:33]
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ThickAsThieves seems somewhat frequent to have numbers errors in mpex reports/divs [18:35]
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mircea_popescu yup [18:35]
ThickAsThieves testing your devotees? [18:36]
mircea_popescu well i think there's less error here than the average, really [18:36]
chetty his calculator needs new batteries [18:36]
mircea_popescu just that my shit gets caught all the time [18:36]
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ThickAsThieves ive removed btctalk from my bookmarks [18:38]
ThickAsThieves feels good to not check it anymore [18:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00583019 = 0.1049 BTC [+] [18:40]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/ [18:40]
ozbot BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [18:40]
ThickAsThieves i see an error! [18:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06400204 = 0.32 BTC [-] [18:41]
mircea_popescu what! [18:41]
ThickAsThieves April Fool's! [18:41]
mircea_popescu god dangit [18:42]
ThickAsThieves :) [18:42]
ThickAsThieves "It’s just fingershaped happenstance." [18:42]
ThickAsThieves lol [18:42]
mircea_popescu also since we're on bitbet, and since ppl are asking like http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#c2703 [18:43]
mircea_popescu anyone bored could make a tool to add up the balances in publicly displayed addies as an open audit thing [18:43]
ThickAsThieves tell kako to use the beer fund [18:43]
ThickAsThieves or bitbet's, more appropriately [18:44]
ThickAsThieves seems a worthy cause [18:44]
mircea_popescu course this probably understates bitbet controlled btc, seeing how if a large chunk is used to make a small payment the remainder is still bitbet's, but anyway [18:44]
ThickAsThieves could provide a constant link to dynamic audit [18:44]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well if it's house-released it's not the same thing [18:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06400204 = 0.32 BTC [-] [18:44]
ThickAsThieves pretty fancy really [18:44]
mircea_popescu i'd rather decentralize etc. [18:44]
ThickAsThieves blockchain is already decentralized, dont be so forumite [18:45]
mircea_popescu people are constantly asking "well how to acquire respek and a wot weight". this is *precisely* how [18:45]
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ThickAsThieves the only centralized part is bitbet expenses and disclosure [18:45]
mircea_popescu lurk here, pick one of these that's a good fit for you and run with it. they're like... at LEAST weekly occurences. [18:46]
ThickAsThieves the rest could be blockchain-dynamic [18:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves expenses aren't really that centralised. i mean which lines ? [18:46]
mircea_popescu house bets made is public, [18:46]
mircea_popescu rectifications are public, [18:46]
mircea_popescu referrals i guess aren't public. [18:47]
ThickAsThieves expenses? [18:47]
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ThickAsThieves i just mean why stop at proving you have the coins [18:47]
ThickAsThieves your whole book could be dynamic [18:47]
mircea_popescu sure. [18:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16984 @ 0.00094075 = 15.9777 BTC [-] [18:47]
benkay derpstributed application bitbet [18:47]
ThickAsThieves provably solvent [18:48]
ThickAsThieves provably fair [18:48]
ThickAsThieves provably homosexual [18:48]
ThickAsThieves etc [18:48]
mircea_popescu provably fucking your wife [18:48]
ThickAsThieves too slow! [18:48]
mircea_popescu darn [18:48]
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mircea_popescu this discussion reads a lolt better in the lolg. [18:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06869731 = 0.3435 BTC [+] [18:51]
benkay bitbet is now a dac [18:51]
benkay april fewls [18:51]
antephialtic http://projectbullrun.org/dual-ec/index.html [18:51]
ozbot Dual EC DRBG [18:51]
antephialtic nice writup of NSA fucking up all the codez [18:52]
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mircea_popescu dac ? [18:52]
antephialtic "Adamantiadis' code recovers the state from 30 output bytes within 12.1 seconds on the reference CPU." [18:53]
benkay distributed autonomous corporation [18:53]
benkay it'd be soooo lulzy to get -pr to troll btctalk with that [18:53]
benkay SO LULZ [18:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0686973 = 0.7557 BTC [-] {4} [18:53]
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benkay bitcoin might go up 100 dollars on the lulz [18:53]
benkay "popescu reverses stance on colored coins" [18:54]
benkay "ethereum ready for big boy time" [18:54]
mircea_popescu oh lol [18:54]
benkay be great [18:54]
ThickAsThieves just buy ethereum to kill it [18:55]
ThickAsThieves show how weak it is and teach its supporters [18:55]
benkay no its too good [18:55]
mircea_popescu they're killing it just fine on its own [18:55]
mircea_popescu why give them money. [18:55]
ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/jonwaller/status/449909784419270656/photo/1 [18:56]
ozbot Twitter / jonwaller: We had a great #Ethereum ... [18:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00094017 = 37.4188 BTC [-] {2} [18:56]
ThickAsThieves severe lack of beards [18:56]
mircea_popescu some beards grow inside the neck. [18:57]
punkman1 beards = trust [18:57]
ThickAsThieves programming with their tablets [18:57]
mircea_popescu what the fuck would be going through a weirdo's mind that sported an OHIO tshirt [18:57]
punkman1 MP's glorious beard being the most trustworthy [18:57]
mircea_popescu i mean, obscure band, i can see. you're hoping to hop the solist/celist [18:57]
mircea_popescu but obscure state ?! [18:57]
ThickAsThieves read the shirt though [18:57]
mircea_popescu ok it got even lamer. [18:58]
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ThickAsThieves a-ha! https://twitter.com/FixmypcRo/status/447036724569702401/photo/1 [18:59]
ThickAsThieves all their beards combined into one [18:59]
mircea_popescu sheeeit [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.47941077 BTC to 4`937 shares, 50221 satoshi per share [18:59]
mircea_popescu that looks just like my pubic hair. [18:59]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Vlad_Roberto/status/447102599674621952 [19:00]
mircea_popescu this guy's pretty epic. "i do ixcoin. i think it'll be huge" [19:01]
mircea_popescu should change his name to banya. [19:01]
benkay sublime text [19:01]
mircea_popescu anyway, meanwhile at Chateau d'Evil, http://31.media.tumblr.com/733c20c6aa6e43421e8082b4cd9ee446/tumblr_mj8quhsSxT1s7eb1eo1_500.jpg [19:01]
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chetty hey I found ceoDanny [19:02]
chetty http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Screen-Shot-2014-04-01-at-9.01.14-AM-620x403.png [19:02]
mircea_popescu long legs almost excuse a beard. [19:02]
mircea_popescu chetty neobee didn't have a lambo. afaik that's bitpay [19:03]
chetty well he has had time to get one [19:04]
thestringpuller bitpay wastes a lot of money [19:04]
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artifexd How the hell can you code on a tablet? The lack of pixels alone... [19:05]
mircea_popescu artifexd i never understood it. [19:05]
antephialtic thestringpuller: how so? [19:06]
benkay artifexd: if you don't strive for efficiency in your process in the first place... [19:07]
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thestringpuller antephialtic: They spend astronomically more money in comparison to MP's companies... [19:08]
Mats_cd03 im being mindfucked by the logs [19:08]
artifexd I'm used to working on multiple 30" monitors so the thought of working on a 7" tablet scares me. [19:08]
thestringpuller so I'd imagine they are spending in excess [19:08]
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chetty I dont even like coding on a laptop if I can help it [19:09]
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benkay ugh fix the logs [19:10]
benkay actually nvm [19:10]
Mats_cd03 seriously what is this 19:50:13 mircea_popescu: tumbler, an great bitbet but use how properly this so a much is in purpose, moreover isn't for to trivial how designed is on showing this anyway, it as any service exercise [19:10]
benkay i'm sure nothing happened [19:10]
Mats_cd03 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-02-2014#520188 [19:10]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [19:10]
benkay chetty: some day this year i'll get an office and move back to multiple monitors [19:10]
Mats_cd03 i spent a few mins reading and i was trying to figure out if im really fucking high or the logs are broken [19:11]
benkay but for now, cafe lifestyle [19:11]
benkay Mats_cd03: did you check the date? [19:11]
benkay i'm considering telling a PM that all of his company's backups failed and have been corrupted for the past month. [19:11]
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Mats_cd03 this is worse than ponies, youre ruining my coffee time [19:11]
mike_c Mats_cd03: you've been april fooled :) try this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?stopitkako&date=20-02-2014#520188 [19:12]
benkay happy april [19:12]
benkay stoppitkako well done [19:12]
artifexd lol @ stopitkako [19:12]
Mats_cd03 thx ily mike_c [19:12]
benkay mike_c: i for one do not appreciate the fix [19:13]
benkay now i have to read the logs [19:13]
mike_c i know, right? no days off around here [19:14]
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benkay http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-03-2014&bots=true#596065 [19:16]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [19:16]
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benkay i see you debugging -assets in production, mike_c [19:16]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?stopitkako&date=20-02-2014#520188 [19:17]
mike_c i didn't figure out the algorithm. [19:17]
mircea_popescu darn too slow again [19:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c prolly just random sort ? [19:17]
benkay phprand [19:17]
mircea_popescu aynrand [19:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34308 @ 0.0009409 = 32.2804 BTC [+] {2} [19:18]
benkay rand-ish [19:18]
kakobrekla yeah the entropy on it is bad, no cardano sorry guise. [19:18]
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benkay what kind of cabal is this anyways [19:18]
Mats_cd03 what are we doing tonight brain? [19:19]
mircea_popescu fucking ourselves out ? [19:20]
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benkay ;;later tell Duffer1 NASA was just a wholehearted theft of european talent. nothing endogenous to the USA. [19:25]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:25]
benkay s/wholehearted/wholesale [19:26]
benkay asciilifeform:just about every interesting technology attributed to a mega-organization was done on 'stolen time.' << yeah, as always, asciilifeform has it [19:28]
mike_c i feel like i've asked this before, but: bitbet revenue line 'fees from refunds'. how are fees that bitbet paid considered revenue? [19:28]
benkay 1% [19:28]
mike_c oh oh [19:28]
mike_c right [19:28]
mike_c i was thinking tx fees on sending out refunds [19:29]
mircea_popescu brb found an error in the rectification o.o [19:29]
benkay bitbet also mining farm [19:29]
mircea_popescu actually : this is a good matter for public consultation. [19:29]
benkay APE-WIL FEWLS [19:29]
mircea_popescu so : last month bitbet made 3.68215306 btc, which should have gone as follows : 1.104645918 should have gone to the public shareholders, 1.288753571 to kako and 1.288753571 to me. [19:30]
mircea_popescu this because we still hold 70% of the shares, not yet listed. [19:30]
mircea_popescu through my mistake 3.68215306 have gone to the public shareholders instead. [19:30]
mircea_popescu how would teh wise other ppl rectify this problem in the current report ? [19:30]
mike_c what can you do? mark it under expense and carry forward. [19:32]
mircea_popescu no because that degrades the dividends owed on the 70% of shares not listed [19:33]
ThickAsThieves the guys that made the error? [19:34]
mike_c overpay yourself and kako in the same amount, then carry forward the expense. [19:34]
mike_c screws future investors, but they can see that in the report and take it into consideration. [19:34]
ThickAsThieves the question lies in whether and where the culpability lies [19:34]
ThickAsThieves i think it is not the shareholders that should be owed [19:35]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/ [19:35]
ozbot BitBet, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [19:35]
mike_c not really. the company accountant screwed up. can't penalize specific shareholders for that [19:35]
mircea_popescu i think this is a better solution [19:35]
mircea_popescu "make the mistake larger" seems the wron way to go [19:35]
ThickAsThieves so bitbet/you/accountant are eating the loss? [19:36]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no ? it's just a floating charge against public share dividents. [19:36]
ThickAsThieves i disagree with that [19:36]
mircea_popescu because why ? [19:36]
ThickAsThieves account should be settled at time of report [19:36]
mircea_popescu that redces to "every corp should dissolve" [19:37]
ThickAsThieves its meant to read that an error was made and that cant be undone by carrying it over [19:37]
ThickAsThieves as mentioned, [19:37]
ThickAsThieves it fucks up trading of shares [19:37]
ThickAsThieves i suppose a shareholder should read footnotes and know he'll come in owing some divs [19:38]
ThickAsThieves but... [19:38]
mircea_popescu but what ? [19:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 4000 @ 0.00040028 = 1.6011 BTC [-] {20} [19:38]
mike_c but now it is more confusing. there is no line item for that charge. [19:38]
mircea_popescu mike_c myeah [19:38]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what happens if one month the revenue from closing bets is 1 btc but the house takes in 1k new bets, worth 100 btc [19:39]
mircea_popescu obviously that 99 btc will be carried on the book until it melts away [19:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.00085017 = 0.4251 BTC [-] {5} [19:39]
ThickAsThieves bitbet accidentally lost some money [19:39]
ThickAsThieves that's how it should go [19:39]
mircea_popescu (we had something similar happen at least once iirc) [19:40]
ThickAsThieves not sure if it washes any different though [19:40]
mike_c i guess the issue is that this is a cash flow statement, and the charge belongs on the balance sheet. [19:40]
mircea_popescu mike_c myeah kinda smushing things together in there [19:41]
ThickAsThieves unless bitbet intends to charge an employee or contractor for the loss, the shareholders eat it regardless [19:41]
ThickAsThieves certainly dont pay out MORE to balance the loss [19:41]
mircea_popescu that no. [19:42]
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ThickAsThieves if you had a full board, theyd probly seek reimbursement from the accountant [19:42]
ThickAsThieves if that person is an employee [19:42]
ThickAsThieves not sure what measures are appropriate [19:42]
ThickAsThieves firing in some cases [19:43]
ThickAsThieves but... [19:43]
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mircea_popescu afaik the normal practice is simply clawback. [19:43]
mircea_popescu and if you derp you go to jail [19:43]
mircea_popescu like that recent guy with the 90k [19:43]
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ThickAsThieves to be candid though, you have an an accounting problem that appears to be consistenly inconsistent [19:45]
ThickAsThieves a change of guard it likely in order [19:45]
ThickAsThieves is* [19:45]
mircea_popescu in that meta sense : i'm quite happy with it, because it both creates caselaw and casepeople. [19:46]
ThickAsThieves on the surface this is healthy [19:46]
ThickAsThieves cuz now all your people check every month [19:46]
ThickAsThieves and probly enjoy doing so [19:46]
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ThickAsThieves but what if a major problem happens [19:46]
ThickAsThieves more caselaw... ? [19:46]
mircea_popescu pretty much. what else ? [19:46]
ThickAsThieves prevention? [19:47]
mircea_popescu i think this is the road to prevention. [19:47]
ThickAsThieves possibly [19:47]
ThickAsThieves but you bias [19:47]
mircea_popescu well yes i bias. [19:47]
blackwhite hello gents [19:48]
mircea_popescu heya [19:48]
mircea_popescu mike_c half tempted to move bitbet on a nz0 basis tbh. [19:48]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the problem is that people who are actually qualified to do this stuff do not wish to do it, because they were qualified by fiat and wish to die in fiat. [19:49]
mike_c yeah.. it is not really accurate to call it a nz0 given how many assets it has :) [19:49]
mircea_popescu willy nilly have to create and qualify bitcoin cpas. [19:49]
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ThickAsThieves then maybe my suggestion to go full dynamic aint so bad [19:50]
mike_c er, zac [19:50]
ThickAsThieves kill multiple birds with one stone [19:50]
ThickAsThieves automate the whole thing [19:50]
mircea_popescu it's bad. technology has never nor will it ever replace people. [19:50]
ThickAsThieves no mistakes [19:50]
mircea_popescu if we don't have our own cpas, and our own fucking missiles, we'll have trouble. [19:50]
blackwhite technology has already replaced people [19:50]
blackwhite in many areas [19:50]
ThickAsThieves well your cpa tells your programmer what to make [19:50]
danielpbarron who is "we" [19:50]
ThickAsThieves once, excel didnt exist [19:51]
mircea_popescu doubt we're that far yet, but i can appreciate your point in principle. [19:51]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron bitcoin. [19:51]
mike_c maybe mpoe-pr wants to learn accounting [19:51]
mircea_popescu i just hope she doesn't want to learn breastfeeding. [19:51]
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mike_c she can do both at the same time [19:51]
mircea_popescu didn't work out for smickles, that theory. [19:52]
danielpbarron what does that even mean? [19:52]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron you're new here. why not read the logs for a while and ask q after ? [19:52]
kakobrekla perhaps wait a few more hrs with that advice. [19:53]
mircea_popescu a there is that [19:53]
ThickAsThieves hehe [19:53]
mircea_popescu jesus new guy trying to read the log. [19:53]
kakobrekla make the wiki work [19:53]
ThickAsThieves i made the categories and two links! what more do you want! [19:54]
* bounce was going to say that excel isn't really appropriate for much of anything, then thought of "appropriate technology"... and excel is indeed pretty much the opposite. [19:54]
ThickAsThieves nah i'll help more tho [19:54]
mircea_popescu yeah we need more wiki people. hey moiety, do you know what the manuls have been telling me ? [19:54]
moiety aww Scotland tried to April Fool's too, look http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/10735711/Alex-Salmond-to-replace-the-Queen-on-new-Scottish-pound-coin.html [19:54]
danielpbarron i don't need to read the logs to understand you are collectivizing all bitcoin users as if they all have the same goals [19:54]
moiety hmm manuls? [19:54]
ThickAsThieves no [19:54]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron yeah, but you do need to read the logs to understand other things. [19:54]
ThickAsThieves you need it to not say weird shit like that [19:54]
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mircea_popescu moiety they said you should be working butt off on wiki. [19:54]
danielpbarron how about you have your missile and i'll have mine? no need to personify Bitcoin [19:55]
ThickAsThieves ... [19:55]
mircea_popescu who are you ?! and why are you determined to feed my ignore list ? [19:55]
moiety that's because they can't read mircea_popescu .. what does the wiki need [19:55]
kakobrekla moiety at this point, a lot of flash, i think. [19:56]
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mircea_popescu moiety articles. think you're trying to tell stuff to your newb friend, so she can talk in -assets without being silly. what'd go in there ? [19:56]
kakobrekla yes in a flash form [19:57]
mircea_popescu stop sabotaging the slander omg [19:57]
kakobrekla im sorry, dont take me seriously. [19:57]
kakobrekla ctrl - z [19:57]
mircea_popescu toolate [19:57]
kakobrekla ctrl - z [19:57]
kakobrekla ctrl - z [19:57]
kakobrekla there [19:57]
kakobrekla all good. [19:57]
moiety lol [19:57]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: z ctrl - kakobrekla: ctrl z - kakobrekla: z - ctrl [19:58]
mircea_popescu fucken spazz. [19:58]
kakobrekla lel [19:58]
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mircea_popescu so now that mpoe and bbet are all fucked up, allow me to ruin the monthly reports of nsa too. [19:59]
Mats_cd03 wat [19:59]
moiety I'm not actually allowed to include manuls in this am i [20:00]
mike_c what's a wiki with no manuls? [20:00]
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benkay mircea_popescu: list all shares on mpex. divs can only be paid to full float. remove a source of pebkac errors. [20:01]
mircea_popescu benkay then people can start pulling a danny. [20:02]
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benkay pardon? [20:02]
ThickAsThieves and it's fud fodder [20:02]
mike_c benkay: owner-shares are not supposed to be tradeable [20:02]
mike_c they are contracted to maintain a % of ownership [20:02]
moiety "[...] without being silly." << you did just ask me, but i will try. [20:02]
benkay the problem is this manual "half the shares are not on the exchange" thing. [20:02]
benkay or .7 or w/e. [20:02]
ThickAsThieves i dont share that concern [20:03]
mircea_popescu benkay nothing to stop the issuer from selling the treasury shares. [20:03]
ThickAsThieves i think they should not be on the exchange [20:03]
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benkay well this is a design of exchange thing [20:03]
benkay as designed, sure, not really a good idea to set people up to do a runner. [20:03]
ThickAsThieves make issuer-grade accounts? [20:04]
benkay if you have 2 classes of shares, maybe track both classes of shares with the share tracking thing. [20:04]
ThickAsThieves that cannot trade [20:04]
mircea_popescu moiety cool. if you fuck it up all these other experts can fix it. but it seems unless someone starts nobody does sortt of thing [20:04]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves trade engine wants to kill your guitar. [20:04]
ThickAsThieves kako how do i get wiki access [20:04]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [20:05]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.03, Best ask: 485.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.77000, Last trade: 485.03, 24 hour volume: 24505.07026789, 24 hour low: 446.02, 24 hour high: 509.98, 24 hour vwap: 474.365683399 [20:05]
ThickAsThieves that guitar comment went over my head mp [20:05]
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ThickAsThieves i still think having the shares "listed" isnt a good path [20:06]
ThickAsThieves but i can see how it's possible to facilitate such and some benefits it could bring [20:06]
mircea_popescu google zappa my guitar wants to kill your momma [20:07]
mircea_popescu ;;google zappa my guitar wants to kill your momma [20:08]
gribble My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Frank Zappa & The Mothers - My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama ...: ; Frank Zappa - My Guitar Wants To Kill Your Mama (HQ) - YouTube: [20:08]
kakobrekla ThickAsThieves pm [20:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06408505 = 0.3845 BTC [-] {2} [20:08]
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moiety This is where he tells you to flash your webcam... or was that just me? [20:09]
Mats_cd03 http://www.reddit.com/user/JuicyGrabs somebody that loves neobee and hates mpex... weird [20:09]
ozbot overview for JuicyGrabs [20:09]
ThickAsThieves weird? [20:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [-] [20:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06400205 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2} [20:09]
ThickAsThieves seems common [20:09]
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mircea_popescu totally muy muy very weird and strange [20:10]
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Mats_cd03 mp has a powerful effect on people [20:13]
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VanCleef https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.0 [20:14]
ozbot MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges [20:14]
ThickAsThieves it's is charge in life it seems [20:14]
ThickAsThieves his* [20:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 729 @ 0.00094007 = 0.6853 BTC [-] [20:15]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-march-2014-statement/ [20:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10171 @ 0.00093989 = 9.5596 BTC [-] [20:16]
mircea_popescu wait, he found an article from two weeks ago ? [20:16]
VanCleef heh [20:16]
mike_c first: bug in the snsa report :D "demo-ed before a rapturous applause" [20:16]
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ThickAsThieves "Bear in mind that we’re almost a full year away and things may well change. A definitive schedule will be published late March 2014." [20:17]
ThickAsThieves anything to definitively add? [20:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c how do you say past of "to demo" ? [20:17]
ThickAsThieves demonstrated [20:17]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves notrly. [20:17]
mike_c i mean, either demo-ed before a rapturous audience [20:17]
mircea_popescu o o [20:17]
mircea_popescu there, implemented both fixes. [20:18]
mike_c or demo-ed to the sound of thunderous applause [20:18]
mircea_popescu pls don't crimp my esl style. [20:18]
bounce no no no it was clearly rapturous applause before a thunderous crowd [20:18]
mircea_popescu rancorous thunderclapping and also nubbins snowpocalypsae [20:19]
ThickAsThieves anyone know a good article explaining WHY the WoT is good, something to convince a noob [20:19]
bounce and what's that old fashioned thing with dashes? these days you are supposed to sprinkle apostrophes across your prose just in case you missed a spot, but no dashes [20:19]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves maybe a re-write of the girl [20:20]
mircea_popescu s wot thing on bitcointalk ? [20:20]
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mircea_popescu that'd make a decent wiki page anyway [20:20]
ThickAsThieves that's my thought, trying to make sure some context is injected into the wiki [20:21]
ThickAsThieves a buncha a links is only arguably better than 'go read the log' [20:21]
mircea_popescu verily. hence "re-write" [20:21]
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mircea_popescu btctalk post had some good ideas/sturcture but not really a full and complete "why wot" thing [20:21]
mircea_popescu more like a subsection [20:21]
ThickAsThieves link handy? [20:21]
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ThickAsThieves google giving weird returns for the forum [20:22]
ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.10;wap2 [20:22]
ozbot Reputation system? [20:22]
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mircea_popescu sec [20:23]
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mircea_popescu why do womenz look so great in ball gags [20:24]
ThickAsThieves kakobrekla, how to edit categories and add pages? [20:24]
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VanCleef this bloomberg interview is interesting [20:28]
VanCleef i mean article [20:28]
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VanCleef mp is famous [20:29]
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mircea_popescu net notorious mpg [20:29]
mircea_popescu teh* [20:29]
kakobrekla ThickAsThieves [20:30]
kakobrekla https://www.dokuwiki.org/manual [20:30]
ozbot manual [DokuWiki] [20:30]
kakobrekla see namespaces [20:30]
VanCleef what do you think about it all mp? [20:30]
VanCleef nothing to worry about for u? [20:30]
mircea_popescu not particularly. [20:30]
VanCleef herp has got a bit of a hardon for u [20:31]
mircea_popescu im kinda surprised nobody's come out with the "herp is really mp" line. [20:31]
mircea_popescu i recall j-something was suspected of it [20:31]
VanCleef i think this will affect havelock more so [20:32]
VanCleef and as i said earlier will probably close down sometime this year [20:32]
kakobrekla ThickAsThieves also there is a playground page to play around with [20:32]
kakobrekla if there is something specific you want to do i can tell you what you need to do [20:33]
kakobrekla if you want to create a new page on top of the dir, just visit the url you wanna create [20:33]
kakobrekla and create the page [20:33]
kakobrekla it will show in the menu automatically [20:34]
ThickAsThieves sweet [20:34]
kakobrekla if you want a subpage, you can use nest it [20:34]
kakobrekla http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wiki/playground/test [20:34]
ozbot wiki:playground:test [bitcoin assets wiki] [20:34]
kakobrekla like dat [20:34]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2014/bitbet-march-2014-statement/#comment-98819 [20:35]
kakobrekla but for now keep it on one level if you can ThickAsThieves [20:35]
ThickAsThieves ok [20:35]
ThickAsThieves mostly wanted to edit categories and create them [20:35]
ThickAsThieves just need to sort how to edit them now [20:35]
kakobrekla edit what, a category? [20:36]
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bounce so I tried a writeup wrt something on -otc: http://pastebin.ca/2690120 apart from zomfg too long, comments? [20:36]
kakobrekla just make a new one delete old [20:36]
VanCleef did mpoepr really get banned from bitcointalk? [20:36]
VanCleef seems a bit harsh [20:36]
bounce ze mod said so, must be true then [20:37]
VanCleef sorry if this is old news or asking too many questions [20:37]
mircea_popescu VanCleef was yesterday's lulz [20:38]
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mircea_popescu bounce it's not too bad as a case study [20:39]
VanCleef this doesn't seem like something TAT would post [20:40]
VanCleef https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551603.msg6010682#msg6010682 [20:40]
ozbot Please remove this user from this forum. [20:40]
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ThickAsThieves well i did post it [20:41]
VanCleef oh okey [20:42]
VanCleef thanks for confirming [20:42]
ThickAsThieves ok i've added short descriptions to all the wiki links so far, surely they'll need editing and maybe some references [20:42]
VanCleef thought you got hacked or something :/ [20:42]
ThickAsThieves why? [20:42]
bounce pr00f of h4x, I say. just like mpoe-pr clearly got h4xx0red. the mod was right! [20:42]
ThickAsThieves like what is so hard to believe [20:42]
VanCleef lol just didn't seem like it was you [20:42]
ThickAsThieves that i hate bullshit? [20:42]
ThickAsThieves and will swear over it? [20:42]
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mike_c can he say broken windows a few more times? he doesn't sound dumb enough yet. [20:48]
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mircea_popescu windows is pretty broken... [20:49]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves https://bitcointa.lk/threads/reputation-system.67046/#post-1153370 [20:49]
mircea_popescu the wot post [20:49]
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benkay https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7508562 [20:55]
ThickAsThieves k i added the link as-is for now with suggestion for rewrite [20:55]
mircea_popescu "Coinbase isn't some random website made in a basement. It's a well funded, YC backed, known-founder company that complies with relevant banking law. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that they hold a partial reserve or have any ill intention whatsoever." [20:55]
mircea_popescu again, this bullshit ? [20:56]
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benkay let's give the shitshow some credit, shall we? [20:57]
benkay "The steal-all-your-money rate of bitcoin businesses is running right around 100%, and you're going to lecture people that "they can only ever lose a small portion of all stored user funds"? Really?" [20:57]
mircea_popescu no. [20:57]
mircea_popescu "The last "isn't some random website made in a basement" case was NeoBee. There were bunch of others before that, exactly similar. [20:57]
mircea_popescu Coinbase IS EXACTLY a random website made in a basement. So is AirBnB. So is everying else YC backed. Get over yourselves, lay down the pipe, you're a laughingstock for a reason. [20:57]
mircea_popescu This is the reason." [20:57]
mircea_popescu if anyone feels like passing it along. [20:57]
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ThickAsThieves lol http://i.imgur.com/uJY9QN3.jpg [21:00]
mircea_popescu yc imagines itself respectable nao, god help us. [21:00]
ThickAsThieves isnt that my quote? [21:00]
mircea_popescu "in depth coverage" ? [21:01]
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ThickAsThieves bitpay i want my pound of flesh! [21:01]
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mircea_popescu a little girl stole your quote [21:01]
mike_c i like coinbase. i don't have to hold any $$ with them in order to buy btc. [21:02]
ThickAsThieves she doesnt even look chinese [21:02]
mircea_popescu mike_c but you do have to hold your id with them [21:02]
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mike_c yes, so my buys are recorded. what am i going to do? use localbitcoin and buy all my coin on the street corner? [21:02]
mircea_popescu not the point. [21:02]
mircea_popescu what if i go out and steal your server now ? [21:03]
mircea_popescu i got your actual passport, i got your address, your cc number, anything. [21:03]
mircea_popescu i could change your tax accountant [21:03]
mircea_popescu i could take out a new credit card. [21:03]
mike_c how is this different from any other online service? [21:03]
mircea_popescu i could withdraw your 401k early and guess what ? even if you do gert it back, the tax is still due. [21:03]
mircea_popescu what is this, how to make bitcoin paypal ? [21:03]
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mike_c it's not making bitcoin paypal. once i buy my bitcoin, coinbase is no longer involved. [21:04]
mircea_popescu i don't think the average us person realises exactly how fucked they are. and the "well everyone else is just as fucked" thinkin doesn't really work. [21:04]
mircea_popescu yes, but you're permanently exposed. [21:04]
mike_c my bitcoinz are not though. [21:05]
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mircea_popescu your bitcoins are not, no. [21:05]
benkay dude mike_c buying over irc is way more fun [21:05]
mircea_popescu if you have the sense to withdraw it [21:05]
mike_c steal my 401k, what the fuck do i care? it's worthless anyway. [21:05]
mircea_popescu which most people do not. [21:05]
mircea_popescu well i see what you mean, but! i imagine so do you. [21:05]
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mike_c there is a practicality here. i can actually buy bitcoin with coinbase (with no $$ balance). there are extremely limited other ways for me to do that. [21:06]
mircea_popescu hey, your own life is yours to lead. [21:06]
mike_c i suppose. i wish -otc were better, but it's not. [21:06]
mircea_popescu coinbase is still a pos. [21:06]
mike_c hehe [21:06]
mircea_popescu there's you know, ringworm infested puddles all over africa [21:07]
mircea_popescu which are water for the locals, on the basis of the practicality that w/o water your le is a day. [21:07]
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mike_c ok. yes, i see that point. [21:08]
mike_c i guess it's just that the other water sources are filled with sewage, so the ringworm doesn't look so bad. [21:08]
mircea_popescu not ringworm, that's fungal [21:08]
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mircea_popescu wtf is that evil worm thing called [21:08]
mircea_popescu ;;google dracunculiasis [21:09]
gribble Dracunculiasis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; CDC - Guinea Worm: ; WHO | Dracunculiasis: [21:09]
mircea_popescu that thing [21:09]
benkay otc is not really a pain in the ass. [21:09]
benkay know how much you want to buy, have it in a moneypak. [21:09]
mircea_popescu benkay i suppose it depends a lot on where you live etc [21:09]
benkay it is *moderately* inconvenient. [21:09]
benkay why does it depend on where you live? even in the states one can buy moneypak with cash. [21:10]
mircea_popescu how the fuck do i know [21:11]
benkay people are insufficiently wary about touching both the fiat rail and the crypto rail at the same time. [21:11]
mike_c http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?type=SELL&nick=&thing=BTC&otherthing=&eitherthing=&notes= << who you going to buy from on this list besides sturles? [21:11]
ozbot #bitcoin-otc order book [21:11]
mircea_popescu maybe he lives five miles from any moneypak thing and it's run by zombies [21:11]
bounce s/even/only/ IIRC [21:11]
Apocalyptic ^ [21:11]
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bounce need more peeps put their orders in there [21:11]
benkay it goes like this mike_c [21:13]
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benkay "wtb btc with moneypak 2kusd" [21:13]
bounce then ignore all the scammers [21:14]
mike_c honey for the scammors. i'll try it again sometime. [21:14]
benkay yeah well then do your dilligence on trust ratings. [21:15]
mircea_popescu alternatively, maybe start with peanuts and work people up. [21:15]
mircea_popescu do 10 trades on 10 dolla moneypacks, [21:15]
mircea_popescu select the 8 that didn't run, do 50 dolla [21:15]
mircea_popescu select the 7 that etc do 100 [21:15]
mircea_popescu eventually people's histories with you are more valuable to them than any one trade so even the scammers won't scam you. [21:16]
Apocalyptic typical otc scammer won't go that far anyway [21:17]
Apocalyptic last night dude took 2 hours to scam $10 [21:17]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:18]
kakobrekla http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=318189459efde177c0f0166dd&id=3899f9bfb5&e=e6e4334e18 [21:19]
ozbot BTC.sx Receives Largest Seedcoin Fund Investment: Virtual Incubator Finances the First Bitcoin-Only [21:19]
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mircea_popescu again largest and first ? [21:20]
mircea_popescu this'll never end will it. [21:20]
mircea_popescu largest search engine, first ever to use a search box! derpoogle.co! [21:20]
kakobrekla > In fact, this opportunity gives Seedcoin a substantial position in the most reputable, popular and advanced derivative trading platform for Bitcoin. [21:20]
mircea_popescu great. [21:21]
kakobrekla > We congratulate BTC.sx on their continued success and the global respect they have earned among Bitcoin traders,” says Eddy Travia, Cofounder and Chief Startup Officer of Seedcoin. [21:21]
moiety mircea_popescu: i just caught up properly. is mpoe-pr ok? I hope so. it's pretty rough going dealing with shit for a long time and it then it ending unfairly. [21:21]
mircea_popescu they should also invest in that casino thing , whatever it was called. [21:21]
Namworld I guess in some places, $5 per hour is excellent pay. [21:22]
mircea_popescu moiety what's so unfair about it lol. she told teh guy where to stuff it, how many employees get to do that ? [21:22]
kakobrekla >With offices in New York City, London and Singapore, BTC.sx has an innovative, intuitive and proprietary platform that allows users to easily trade Bitcoin derivatives. [21:22]
kakobrekla brick and mortar, dude. [21:22]
moiety ThickAsThieves: if you really want banned, simply go in anything and personally insult people offtopic. its the only thing they ban for, in their words. [21:22]
Namworld And the guy knows he's not going to be sued for it. [21:22]
Namworld So, well... yeah, I'm not surprised. Those kind of people will be around as long as it works. [21:22]
moiety its unfair because of the way that forum is conducted [21:22]
moiety imo [21:24]
bounce asleep at the wheel then trying to pull a sgt. hardass, wasn't too impressive from what little I saw of it. [21:24]
mircea_popescu Namworld good point re the relative safety. i guess many of them aren't unaware of it. [21:25]
Namworld It's completly not worth it to sue them, plus people won't do it just for the principle because the person is probably poor and in bad need of money. So why send a message by suing for something so small? (On top of it being close to impossible, re other jurisdiction combined with low amount) [21:26]
Namworld I'm sure it's a job for many on the forums/otc. [21:27]
mircea_popescu how to make a living as a thirld world flea. [21:27]
Namworld Scamming 10 bucks here, 50 there, making new accounts and a few posts and small trades. [21:28]
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Namworld Some might not be poor. Like a kid, just for the thrill. Scam a little amount. [21:28]
Namworld Etc. [21:28]
mircea_popescu prolly can clear 10 dollars a day on average, for 8 hour's work, which is just about the worldwide net average salary. [21:29]
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ThickAsThieves ThickAsThieves: if you really want banned, simply go in anything and personally insult people offtopic. /// seems a step too far for me, i'll just not visit anymore unless to view a reference from this chan, or the like [21:32]
Namworld At the same time, why would they ban scammers? It's not like it's their job to investigate and provide proof of scams and then ban them. That's not how forums work. Plus the whole thing about banning without proof at first. [21:33]
moiety it's actually really easy lpace to forget about [21:33]
moiety place* ThickAsThieves [21:34]
mod6 lol @ logs kako [21:34]
mircea_popescu question : who was lilo ? [21:34]
Namworld I can see why they'd say they only ban people derailing conversations/insulting without proofs. And just put a little scammer tag only once it's proven it's a scam. [21:34]
mircea_popescu answer : a mobster and acting boss of the bonanno crime family. [21:34]
mod6 lilo` was a freenode admin back in the day. [21:34]
mircea_popescu ;;google carmine galante [21:35]
gribble Carmine Galante - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Carmine Galante - Crime Library: ; The Mob's Greatest Hits: Carmine Galante | National Geographic ...: [21:35]
mod6 oh nm. heh [21:35]
mod6 (well, when it was openprojects.net or whatever.) [21:35]
Namworld They provide a medium to communicate, they don't protect people from themselves/scammers. [21:36]
mircea_popescu Namworld yeah except if you ban people that tell you to get fucked after you deleted a half dozen posts they made ostensibly because "you have to minimise the visibility of moderation" but really because you just as well didn't want their content visible [21:36]
mod6 was reading through the logs, was like: O_o are they all on LSD today? [21:36]
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mircea_popescu things start looking a little different suddenly. [21:36]
ThickAsThieves Namworld i think your view is too black & white on the matter [21:36]
mircea_popescu mod6 we are, but it's unrelated. [21:36]
mod6 haha [21:36]
ThickAsThieves it's not their duty to seek and prove scamming [21:36]
ThickAsThieves it is in their financial interest to be ethical though [21:36]
ThickAsThieves possibly their legal one too [21:37]
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Namworld Perhaps, I didn't read about that part of deleting posts complaining about moderators. [21:37]
ThickAsThieves would YOU have allowed Garr to keep up his antics? [21:37]
mircea_popescu generally speaking this is true. it gets real hard to argue no mens rea after you;ve been shown to have taken positive steps. [21:37]
Namworld That's the other issue with forums. If some admins/mods are bad and good at it, you won't see it. [21:37]
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kakobrekla interestingly there seems to be two groups of people. first think asseters took ze drugs, the second group thinks they them selfs are on something. perhaps this tells a thing. [21:38]
Namworld Garr? is he still there under his own account? [21:38]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla lol indeed. [21:38]
nubbins` vexual hangs in the balance [21:38]
nubbins` waiting [21:38]
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mircea_popescu Namworld in the case of teh btctalk you do see it, https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings.167762/page-226 [21:38]
ThickAsThieves yes Nam he is [21:39]
ThickAsThieves he has solicited investment after being outted [21:39]
twizt mircea_popescu: did they extradite you yet lol [21:39]
mircea_popescu totally. [21:39]
twizt funny ass thread [21:39]
ThickAsThieves mods wanna mod, but dont start with their own rep system for targets? [21:39]
mircea_popescu i'm extraditing myself over to the bar in a minute. [21:39]
ThickAsThieves the whole thing is obviously hopeless [21:40]
mircea_popescu gotta extrudate some shots [21:40]
twizt lol [21:40]
Namworld I'd probably have left him there, yes. Let people rate each other/sort scammers out/investigate offers. It's trivial to make new accounts anyway. Scammers might as well keep their account with psts but also tainted reputation. [21:40]
mircea_popescu mebbe specially rendition some chicks outta their clothes while at it. [21:40]
twizt lawyering up atleast? [21:40]
Namworld Not like banning them would prevent them from coming back under a new identity. [21:40]
mircea_popescu Namworld not giving scammers the ability to make "Self moderated" threads would be one thing. [21:41]
mircea_popescu tbh i think it's where mpoe-pr's outlook turned. [21:41]
mircea_popescu from "derps derping bitcoin" to "these people are criminals in disguise" [21:41]
mircea_popescu at least going by the digests. [21:41]
Namworld That should indeed be implemented. So scammers can't leverage an account with lots of post to make a clean thread. Yet again, if you don't look up the guy's history even if the thread is clean... [21:42]
mircea_popescu well so then talk about broken windows [21:42]
mircea_popescu first, allow any random scammer to moderate hteir own thread [21:42]
mircea_popescu after people get used to this, maged can start deleting posts that inconvenience his clients. [21:43]
mircea_popescu there you have it. well broked. [21:43]
ThickAsThieves the problem is this conversation puts us down to their level, and that pissed me off too [21:43]
ThickAsThieves we're here all trying to sort the finer points of why its fucked [21:43]
ThickAsThieves it's just fucked [21:43]
mircea_popescu well he started it! [21:43]
ThickAsThieves hehe [21:44]
Namworld They already gave a rating system for people to leave feedbacks/make investigation of scam accusation easy. Rating page will list all the wrongs people are accused of. [21:44]
ThickAsThieves it needs owners that care about their thing [21:44]
ThickAsThieves they do not care [21:44]
ThickAsThieves that's that [21:44]
mircea_popescu at best, that. [21:44]
kakobrekla you can still rate even if you are banned so i use that to leave messages to people [21:45]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:45]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:45]
Apocalyptic you're still banned kako ? [21:45]
ThickAsThieves poor kako [21:45]
kakobrekla yes thermos did not respond to my email [21:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0569 = 0.1138 BTC [-] [21:46]
ThickAsThieves didnt thermos entrust John K with forum coins? [21:46]
ThickAsThieves cuz he couldnt hold them himself [21:46]
Namworld Honestly, I'd probably just ban people insulting others/derailing threads regardless of how likely they are right or the accused is a scammer. [21:46]
ThickAsThieves so heavy, the coins [21:47]
mircea_popescu "Venezuela Orders Landlords to List Homes for Sale" [21:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0569 = 0.3414 BTC [-] [21:47]
mircea_popescu so much lol coming out of that thing [21:47]
Namworld Insult = ban, explanation as to why someone shouldn't be trusted/their offer is bad, okay as long as polite. [21:47]
ThickAsThieves Namworld, the forumites are perpetually insulted [21:47]
mod6 I wanted MPOE-PR to kill that site with fire. [21:47]
mircea_popescu "california housing market too expensive for underprivileged groups ? PEOPLE MUST NAO LIST HOUSES FOR SALE PAYMENT IN COWRIES" [21:48]
ThickAsThieves it's a state of being for them [21:48]
mircea_popescu Namworld that's what you think for lack of experience. what's "an insult" ? [21:48]
Namworld Insult as randomly calling people words and swearing at them, not people "feeling" insulted. [21:48]
mircea_popescu your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries. [21:48]
mircea_popescu what not ? [21:48]
ThickAsThieves yeah but you cant train forumites on what to complain about [21:49]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAy4zULKFDU here, with audio. [21:49]
ozbot Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries - YouTube [21:49]
ThickAsThieves they have only their feelings [21:49]
novusordo "I am insulted that this person is calling out my scam" [21:49]
ThickAsThieves your mods would quit [21:49]
ThickAsThieves maybe thats why their mods suck [21:50]
nubbins` http://thecoinfront.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman-i-am-satoshi-nakamoto/ [21:50]
ThickAsThieves need better pay [21:50]
ozbot Leah McGrath Goodman: "I Am Satoshi Nakamoto" | The CoinFront | Bitcoin News [21:50]
mircea_popescu o ywah, let's mess with that stupid cunt some more. [21:50]
Namworld Calling out a scam is not an insult. It's at best accurate, at worst an erroneous assumptions. [21:51]
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ThickAsThieves so do you allow false accusations then? [21:51]
ThickAsThieves suddenly youre in the business you said you shouldnt be in [21:51]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/451069414604288000 [21:51]
ozbot Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @truth_eater Hey toots, how's ... [21:51]
mircea_popescu pls to keep reminding me nao and again. [21:52]
mircea_popescu kthx. [21:52]
Namworld What business? [21:52]
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ThickAsThieves At the same time, why would they ban scammers? It's not like it's their job to investigate and provide proof of scams and then ban them. That's not how forums work. [21:53]
ThickAsThieves the line blurs at people making scam accusations [21:53]
ThickAsThieves it's not quite an insult, but quite insulting [21:54]
Diablo-D3 http://app.messages.seagate.com/e/es?s=261&e=304820&elq=35ad4a43ddd141e6a568d623ce442fce [21:54]
ozbot YUM Introducing Seagate's New Drive Portfolio. [21:54]
ThickAsThieves it's not provable, but also not true discourse if false [21:54]
mircea_popescu http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/04/01/alleged-silk-road-creators-lawyer-denies-bitcoin-is-monetary-instrument-moves-to-drop-all-charges/ [21:54]
ozbot Alleged Silk Road Creator's Lawyer Denies Bitcoin Is 'Monetary Instrument,' Moves To Drop All Charge [21:54]
mircea_popescu they caught on lmao. [21:54]
Namworld And I wouldn't ban scam accusations, weither true or false, like I wouldn't ban someone I thought is probably a scammer, weither true or false? [21:54]
mircea_popescu "Your honor, we finally got around to reading 2012 Trilema. We humbly submit this is a complete gamechanger." [21:54]
Namworld There's a difference between "This guy is a scammer LINK" "This is a scam because X, Y, Z or because I think so" and "You sound like a scammer, get the fuck out you dimwit scum" [21:56]
ThickAsThieves is there? [21:56]
mircea_popescu really ? [21:56]
mircea_popescu is there a difference between "i perceive a difference" and "there is a difference" ? [21:57]
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pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=553092.msg6021150#msg6021150 lol [21:57]
ozbot MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges [21:57]
ThickAsThieves SELL! [21:57]
novusordo uh oh [21:57]
benkay jig up? [21:57]
Namworld No. But as admin I get to determine what is and what isn't acceptable. Even if the nuance is subtle. [21:57]
mircea_popescu wasn't this befoar ? [21:58]
novusordo let me post that to reddit without reading it [21:58]
Namworld I'm not there to protect people's feeling like I'm not there to protect people from scammers. Just preventing straight up inflamatorry posts without substance. [21:58]
ThickAsThieves wow theyre really gonna try and harass you now... [21:58]
ThickAsThieves this should last, what, a week at most? [21:58]
mircea_popescu Namworld yes well, some people make MPs thing, some other people make Bitcoin thing. [21:58]
mircea_popescu do you see a difference there ? [21:58]
mircea_popescu if it was JoeDorksForum your position would stand a lot better, [21:58]
mircea_popescu especially if that JoeDork was someone with a reputation of any kind. [21:58]
mircea_popescu rather than a 20something nobody with nary a clue. [21:59]
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Namworld There's a reason why I'm not a forum admin tho, hard decisions to make, everyone always butthurt all the time, more bland content and same old being repated you can't read and filter everything. [21:59]
mircea_popescu so this has been an exercise in "let's discuss how the salmon would fly if it had no wings" ? [22:00]
Namworld It isn't a JoeDork'sForum? [22:00]
mircea_popescu ;;google joedorktalk.org [22:00]
gribble No matches found. [22:00]
mircea_popescu apparently not. [22:00]
kakobrekla the problem is just one [22:00]
kakobrekla they do not moderate the content but the form [22:00]
kakobrekla if it were the other way around [22:00]
kakobrekla .... [22:00]
pankkake bitcointa.lk does not detect the extension :( [22:00]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla deeper than that : they moderate the content to favour scammers, under a pretense of moderating the form. [22:01]
Namworld I wasn't aware it was somehow official. Is the Bitcoin foundation official too? [22:01]
mircea_popescu the gmaxwell sin. [22:01]
mircea_popescu Namworld it claims to be. peoples implicit claims are held against them. [22:01]
Namworld As such, my point is as valid as if the forum was called theymosandcotalk.org [22:01]
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Namworld It claims to be a Bitcoin forum like the foundation says Bitcoin Foundation. That people perceive them as official or not, I don't care. [22:02]
mircea_popescu well maybe you should run a catholic choir nambla local group then ? [22:03]
Namworld A little mention "not official, Bitcoin is decentralized" under the names would be nice, but what if they don't? I ain't going to harass them all day long, now, should I? [22:04]
Namworld Why would I run a catholic choir? [22:04]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. why would these derps run a bitcoin forum ? [22:04]
pankkake I forgot there is https://www.bitcoinforum.com/ too - jurov uses it [22:04]
Namworld Because they decided to. [22:05]
Namworld If people think they're official, it's because they don't understand Bitcoin, not because they run a Bitcoin forum. [22:06]
mircea_popescu "n 1994 Crichton became the only creative artist ever to have works simultaneously charting at No. 1 in television, film, and book sales" [22:06]
mircea_popescu jesus that shit's broken [22:06]
Duffer1 to be fair jurassic park was a good book [22:06]
nubbins` that's some bo jackson shit [22:06]
nubbins` BO KNOWS [22:07]
Namworld Same as if someone thought someone running gunstalk, goldtalk, sportstalk or whatever kind of forum was the official worldwide representative of guns, gold or sports respectively. [22:07]
Namworld If someone thing it's official, it's because they have no idea of the substance of the topic, not because the forum owners didn't put enough disclaimers. [22:08]
Namworld think* [22:08]
mircea_popescu dude get out. if you're running sportstalk.org and ban all discussions of all white players you're going to be drawn and quartered. [22:08]
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mircea_popescu "o, i'm not racist, it's just how i run my forum which is mine" [22:08]
Namworld We're not talking about wether the mods did something wrong or not right now... [22:09]
tg2 so how many shares of mpex exist? [22:09]
mircea_popescu 1bn [22:09]
nubbins` Namworld: if sportstalk.org predated widespread use of sports, it probably would be quite the hub of activity. [22:09]
Namworld Just about them claiming to be somewhat official. [22:09]
nubbins` that's distinct from being official, tho [22:10]
tg2 so satoshidice was listed on mpex before? [22:10]
Duffer1 ya [22:10]
tg2 so how did it get sold to private party then [22:10]
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Namworld Yes, all I'm saying is, if they're biased, okay. But why blame them for people confusing them for being official? [22:10]
mike_c it got sold, shareholders on mpex got paid.. [22:11]
Namworld Did they ever claim to be official? I recall seeing claims of being the largest discussion forum about Bitcoin and that's it. [22:11]
Duffer1 tg2 probably a trilema article on it [22:11]
twizt lol [22:11]
nubbins` Namworld not afaik. [22:12]
tg2 wouldn't all the shareholders have to agree to sell it? [22:12]
mike_c most shares on mpex are non-voting. [22:12]
tg2 yes, but if you owned a share [22:12]
tg2 and you didn't want to sell it [22:12]
nubbins` tough darts [22:12]
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mike_c and you have a non-voting share.. [22:12]
mircea_popescu tg2 http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/ [22:12]
tg2 just curious about the process [22:12]
mike_c same as if google sold itself and you owned shares. nobody cares what you want. [22:13]
mircea_popescu there's no process. mpex shares hold no voting rights. nobody asks your opinion on how the comp is run. [22:13]
mike_c geez, i am starting to sound like you. [22:13]
Mats_cd03 you get paid and you go on your merry way [22:13]
tg2 > The MPEx holders nevertheless received 0.0035 per share, [22:14]
tg2 i see [22:14]
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Namworld and that's the point I was talking about. I don't care about people believing them to be official because of that. It's not like it's their problem or anyone's to go put disclaimers on everything so people don't have to think and just follow directions. [22:14]
tg2 how difficult is it to get listed on mpex? [22:15]
mircea_popescu that depends. most derpcorps find it impossible. [22:15]
tg2 yet pptapr and giga no issues? [22:15]
Namworld Not too hard I suppose, but yeah, what Mircea said. [22:15]
mircea_popescu otherwise kakobrekla asciilifeform etc could comment on it [22:15]
Namworld It's not like the requirements are too much or too hard to meet. [22:16]
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Namworld It's that most scams fail to even come close to meet those requirements. [22:16]
tg2 so if the dice buyout was kosher, ie: all the buyers got their fair value for their shares, why is SEC sniffing around for that corp in particular? [22:16]
Namworld Because some people wanted to keep shares/complained? [22:17]
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benkay MPEx is the big target. [22:17]
Namworld I suppose especially those who bought from the slices of shares over IPO prices. [22:17]
tg2 things like that happen though in regular companies that are listed, private party has an interest, buys all the shares above market, non-voting can't do much about it [22:18]
Namworld Because sell price way under IPO price, yet all MPEx shareholders got like 3x the price per share such they they'd get over the initial IPO price at the expense of private shareholders. [22:18]
Namworld Yet this excellent deal for MPEx holders didn't please people who bought way over IPO price. [22:19]
mircea_popescu tg2 we never got to know what they actually wanted because they could never figure how to express themselves. [22:19]
mircea_popescu the simile would be a down syndrome kid walking into a shop going GLEEEERHRHRHR!! [22:19]
Namworld Afaik, I think it was not Erik that sold shares over IPO, but the offer was other shareholders that wanted to sell at those high prices? [22:19]
mircea_popescu shop owner goes hey! if you want to buy sometrhing, go like this, if you want to borrow something, go like this [22:19]
mircea_popescu kid goes GLEEEERHRHRHR!! [22:19]
Namworld or something to that effect. [22:19]
mircea_popescu eventually shop owner calls the special down syndrome kid number to have the kid removed from the premises. [22:20]
ThickAsThieves http://blog.coinbase.com/post/81407694500/update-on-coinbase-data-security TLDR: There is nothing wrong with our system, but we fixed it [22:20]
mircea_popescu hopefully they find someone in new york whose brain works and they patch it up. [22:20]
mircea_popescu alternatively, they get a pitchfork mob going, and i'll have to hire a security detail around the shop. [22:20]
mircea_popescu either way, life. [22:20]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves such fucktards with this bs. just won't learn will they. [22:21]
Namworld Either way, people butthurt about buying too high from the bigger shareholders who sold when the price was high. [22:22]
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Namworld If I recall right, I bought afterward, when price was much lower, not long before SD sold. [22:22]
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Namworld and all holders on MPEx got a very good deal in that sale. [22:23]
tg2 SEC isn't really used ot asking nicely [22:23]
tg2 I know people involved in the awesomepennystocks.com fiasco [22:23]
tg2 sledgehammer approach [22:23]
tg2 take houses, take cars, indict everybody [22:24]
mircea_popescu tough tits for them. i was not kidding when i said their future is at stake. it is. [22:24]
mircea_popescu they wanna take a crap all over it, no big deal really. [22:24]
Namworld Basically, contract was respected. People are mad about the SD deal because they can't verify anything about the sale. They bought at a high price and claim Erik sold to "himself" for low after selling some shares for a very high price or other such accusations. [22:24]
mircea_popescu we give bitcoin to the russian-ec or to the chinese-ec or to the cyprus-ec [22:24]
Namworld Now, if they could prove that, the story would be different. [22:24]
mircea_popescu whoever finds a non-down syndrome kid first wins. [22:24]
tg2 that's a tough accusation to clear [22:24]
mircea_popescu tis a race. [22:24]
tg2 but yeah it does open the door to fukc al ot of people when you pull strings on both sides [22:25]
tg2 ie: oh profits are down on dice..." [22:25]
tg2 shares drop [22:25]
tg2 -> buy back [22:25]
tg2 that kind of stuff [22:25]
Namworld But without proof, contract was respected, shareholders got a great deal, and people are complaining about buying high before profits diminished and price going much lower. [22:25]
tg2 "great deal" [22:25]
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mike_c getting bought out well above market price is a great deal. [22:26]
tg2 hard to calculate who got the great deal [22:26]
tg2 and who didn't [22:26]
mircea_popescu afaik there was this longstanding theory that erik is betting with himself. i never could see any proof for it, people were welcome to find it etc. [22:26]
tg2 but in general yes [22:26]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-question-of-the-year-in-btc/ [22:26]
ozbot The question of the year in BTC pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:26]
mircea_popescu hardly any sort of news. [22:26]
Namworld They get 1/2 instead of 1/6th of what they paid because MPEx shareholders got about 3x too much for what the sale price was. [22:26]
Namworld They got like .0032 instead of ~0.0011 I think as the sale price commanded. [22:27]
tg2 how much was bought over ipo [22:27]
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tg2 presumably it was sold by vorhees [22:27]
tg2 then it deflated [22:27]
Namworld 10 million at 0.0022 and 0.0027 I think it was, in two slices. Or was it 3? [22:27]
tg2 then bought back at "ipo" price [22:27]
Namworld The IPO was lower than the price holders got. [22:28]
tg2 how high did it climb after ipo [22:28]
Namworld People complained because new shares were put up and sold in the 0.004-0.006 range if I recall right, for about 5 million shares? [22:28]
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Namworld Afaik it was not Voorhees' I think, just one of the private shareholder selling. I suppose accusations come from people who bought then. [22:29]
ThickAsThieves it was actually the first thing i ever did in bitcoin communication, sent a msg to erik asking how it could be proven he wasnt stealing [22:30]
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ThickAsThieves it's why i made a forum account [22:30]
mircea_popescu what did he say ? [22:30]
ThickAsThieves lemme find it [22:30]
Namworld They got the short end of the stick, but is it because a scam occured? Contract was respected and outperformed. They bought at the high. [22:30]
Namworld Now without proof Erik did anything wrong... what are you to do? [22:31]
tg2 ultimately somebody had to buy above 'value' [22:31]
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tg2 whether or not erik did anything to deflate or inflate that value [22:31]
tg2 is really the only way he could be guilty of anything [22:31]
mircea_popescu generally, btc stocks follow a hump pattern [22:31]
mircea_popescu asicminer went from .1 to 5 then to .5 [22:31]
ThickAsThieves "What could stop SatoshiDice.com from using it's own profit pool to place bets on it's own site to hide profits from shareholders? [22:31]
ThickAsThieves Am I missing something about the setup that prevents this?" [22:31]
ThickAsThieves "Hi, [22:31]
ThickAsThieves How would this hide profits from shareholders? It would do the opposite... it would inflate the site's earnings (because 1.9% of all bets becomes site profit) and then would require that the site pay shareholders -more- than they should legitimately have. [22:31]
ThickAsThieves For example, if I took 10 btc of SD earnings and rebet it over and over and over, eventually it would all be owned to the shareholders on mpex because they would see that the site had xxxxxxx in bets and xxxxxxx in profit owed to them. [22:31]
ThickAsThieves Does that answer the question? [22:31]
ThickAsThieves -Erik" [22:31]
mircea_popescu many children, many people with no training or much understanding, lot of hype. [22:32]
Namworld A dose of mob justice, with unproven guiltyness?? [22:32]
tg2 yeah its pretty clear when you use fixed wallets [22:32]
ThickAsThieves "Yes, thank you Smiley [22:32]
ThickAsThieves I thought I had answered my own question after I sent my message to you. I thought your answer was going to be "Because all of the coins are stored in the public addresses on the home page, and everyone would see we were filtering out money". Do the coins all stay in the wallets posted on the home page (until dividends are paid), or do they get moved around in storage? [22:32]
ThickAsThieves Your answer makes sense though. [22:32]
ThickAsThieves Thanks again! " [22:32]
tg2 to see where money and bets are going [22:32]
ThickAsThieves "The coins are not stored on the public addresses shown on the homepage. They go into a secret chamber buried underneath the arctic circle Wink [22:32]
ThickAsThieves -Erik" [22:32]
ThickAsThieves that's it [22:32]
tg2 the only way to counterplay would be to know the private keys in advance [22:32]
tg2 but you'd see the house % going down [22:32]
ThickAsThieves from January 2013 [22:32]
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Namworld Well to be fair, it's not a proof of innocence. But justice isn't supposed to work that way. It's not supposed to be guilty until proven innocent. [22:33]
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tg2 anybody working on a distirbuted-trust system for these types of scenarios? [22:34]
tg2 where every voting shareholder gets a proportionate, verifyable voting mechanism? [22:34]
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mircea_popescu tg2 anyway, you can take the message upstairs. "guy actually said you either play ball or he buries you, it seems improbable but he does have a history of doing exactly that." [22:35]
tg2 I knew somebodyw as working on a wallet-splitter where you sent to an address and it split it by a fixed % and sent back out to the other x addresses [22:35]
tg2 but you still ahve to trust the service [22:35]
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Namworld I'm not sure how such a system would work to actually prevent fraud. Unless that system had exclusive amangement of funds. But then running a business would be close of impossible if all money spent needs to be approved by shareholders. [22:35]
tg2 yeah I think the reality is it would be possible [22:36]
Namworld Plus it still doesn't prevent fraud... [22:36]
Namworld Assuming majority is in on the fraud... [22:36]
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tg2 but yeah ultimately it comes back to the same issue where the people running the business have to maek hte decisions [22:36]
domsch Hey guys, Dom here. I’m in the process of setting up a few businesses and am actively involved in a few crypto-hubs. Just wanted to hang out in a few IRC channels to talk with people from the space. [22:38]
tg2 I guess there just needs to be more liability there [22:38]
tg2 which is sort of why the SEC was created in the first place [22:38]
ThickAsThieves Hi Dom [22:38]
benkay what kinda biz, domsch? [22:39]
kakobrekla domsch prolly a good call. [22:39]
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domsch Crypto-related. We are mostly concerned on the educational aspects of the space and are creating several tools that are there to add liquidity to the market and help users embrace the new technology (not just bitcoin of course) in their every day life. [22:40]
benkay add liquidity how? [22:40]
benkay where's the overlap between "educational aspects" and "tools to add liquidity"? [22:40]
domsch http://imgur.com/a/pVsEJ [22:40]
ozbot Bitcoin POS Terminal - Imgur [22:40]
* twizt thinks its time for a bunch of big words to be used, while making little to no practical sense [22:41]
benkay well that's better than a QR sticker. [22:41]
kakobrekla lol [22:41]
domsch educating and approaching the average consumer goes hand in hand. [22:41]
domsch and yes, it definitely is lol [22:42]
Namworld There's already large processors offering service plus conversion plus daily bank deposit for 1% fee. [22:42]
ThickAsThieves tell those BitcoinBigfoot guys that Dom [22:42]
ThickAsThieves they make "educational" brochures filled with logos [22:42]
Namworld But this little device is actually quite elegant. [22:42]
benkay bitcoin consumer tech, man. [22:42]
benkay just say no. [22:42]
twizt bro for something that big [22:42]
twizt it better play hd movies [22:42]
ThickAsThieves ascii porn at least [22:42]
mircea_popescu domsch who's "we" ? [22:43]
benkay .asciibait [22:43]
twizt that thing looks as big as a mac mini [22:43]
twizt lol [22:43]
domsch yes I really like what Bigfoot is doing. I don’t think that anyone in this space can be treated as a competitor (in broad perspective of course) - we are mostly all after the same and pursue the same ideals. [22:43]
kakobrekla its not meant to be carried around eh [22:43]
mircea_popescu dude. who. is. we. [22:44]
benkay you're all after the same thing but not competitors? [22:44]
benkay what? [22:44]
domsch me and my team. I’m not alone. We are around 7 people right now. [22:44]
twizt we is me [22:44]
mircea_popescu do you have a name ? [22:44]
Namworld A mac mini? This thing looks smaller than a small computer fan. How small is a mac mini? [22:44]
twizt I am we [22:44]
mircea_popescu dominik schiener sez your client. that you ? [22:44]
domsch yep. [22:45]
mircea_popescu you the 17yo italian guy with fileyy / 360box game hacks ? [22:45]
kakobrekla the name sounds german [22:45]
domsch I am actually 18. And I’m german. [22:46]
mircea_popescu europe. gets complicated. [22:46]
mircea_popescu ok. get in the wot, and read this : [22:46]
domsch and I have never owned an xbox. [22:46]
twizt https://angel.co/dominik-schiener [22:46]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/ [22:46]
ozbot Dominik Schiener - AngelList [22:46]
ozbot Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [22:46]
mircea_popescu and i do mean read it. [22:46]
domsch ok hold on [22:47]
mircea_popescu take your time. [22:47]
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twizt 18 years old developing hardware.. or ur professors doing it? [22:47]
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domsch Good read. And I definitely agree with you on some of the aspects that young people (of my age, younger or older) are in this space to grasp an opportunity - these are the people that don’t see the future, the long-term benefit. These are the people that are there to fuck you in the ass when they see the slightest chance to get away with a few bucks. [22:51]
benkay what what, in the butt [22:52]
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domsch I can tell you a personal story, how I tried to run my first startup, (a performance based advertising network, known as CPA = Cost Per Action) and how I was scammed out of my last $1000 and had to work over the summer as a construction worker to get enough money to continue working on the project. [22:52]
domsch I am not in this space to make a buck and seize every tiny opportunity, or even try to scam people. I’m here for the bigger picture. I may be young, I may be dumb - but I am trying. [22:53]
benkay ;;google trilema variety speak [22:53]
gribble You're gonna have to learn that variety speak pe Trilema - Un blog ...: ; Pro idiotas, which obviously means, people who have ... - Trilema: ; The Family pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [22:53]
benkay "nobody knows how to make movies, but there are some people who know how to not make movies" [22:53]
benkay maybe reconsider the point-of-sale angle, sir. [22:54]
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mircea_popescu domsch just don't let that grasping fuck you over. [22:56]
mircea_popescu a 50yo that fucks up is therefore losing his key for ages 51-70 or w/e [22:57]
mircea_popescu a 18yo that fucks up is losing his key for all time. you're risking a lot more than the 50yo, who already fucked the girls, drank the meads, got bored. [22:57]
mircea_popescu and in this space, fucking up is extremely easy. just ask danny. [22:57]
mircea_popescu or charlie or whoever. [22:57]
mircea_popescu benkay eh, he can't argue everything simultaneously. first let him you know... introduce it. [22:58]
twizt whos danny [22:59]
mircea_popescu danny "cyprus" brewster. [22:59]
Namworld domsch, so many young people with your mindset came around to do BTC services/business, only to have everything go down because of the tiniest mistake. BTC doesn't forgive, hackers don't forgive. Smallest error can doom you. [22:59]
twizt what company? [22:59]
Namworld High failure/scam ratio. [23:00]
mircea_popescu twbt newbie. [23:00]
mircea_popescu twizt i mean [23:00]
twizt neo bee? [23:00]
twizt it fucked up already? lol [23:00]
mircea_popescu if you prefer the cyrillics spelling [23:00]
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domsch yeh I definitely understand where this is coming from. As people say: “It doesn’t matter what your idea is, it only mattes who you know.” That’s why I’m trying to be surrounded by the right guys. I am working on the networkign right now and meet the right people that have been there, done it. [23:01]
mircea_popescu aite, dun worry about it. [23:02]
twizt i wonder how much money neobee wasted on all that promotional crap [23:02]
twizt what are their sales? [23:02]
twizt lol [23:02]
domsch and don’t worry. I won#t be the Chief Compliance Officer, President, CEO, developer and support staff of this project lol [23:03]
mike_c what will you be? [23:03]
ThickAsThieves "we" of course! [23:03]
twizt I shall be we [23:03]
twizt gdammit ThickAsThieves [23:03]
ThickAsThieves it is written [23:03]
twizt beat me to it [23:03]
domsch an entrepreneur. [23:03]
ThickAsThieves a thought leader [23:04]
twizt We have written it, I shall be done [23:04]
ThickAsThieves is there an english word for entrepreneur, it's annoying [23:04]
ThickAsThieves business man [23:04]
nubbins` yes [23:04]
ThickAsThieves ? [23:04]
mike_c it would be better at this stage to attach yourself to a more experienced entrepreneur. [23:04]
nubbins` "entrepreneur" :D [23:04]
twizt BMEN [23:05]
nubbins` is there an english word for restaurant? :D [23:05]
domsch in the early days of a startup titles don’t matter anyways as we still have to prove all of the hypothesis and actually get a working model up and running. So all these fancy titles are useless. It’s about getting shit done. [23:05]
thestringpuller Man i love this channel [23:05]
twizt drive thru nubbins [23:05]
thestringpuller smarter over time [23:05]
mike_c domsch: that is bs. somebody is in charge. [23:05]
thestringpuller rather than the general trend of the internet to become less intelligent over time [23:05]
pLambert nubbins`: diner [23:05]
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twizt domsch: all im reading is canned rhetroic lol [23:05]
twizt you sound too sales pitchy [23:06]
nubbins` pLambert: that's french too [23:06]
twizt (in my mental voice) [23:06]
pLambert eatery? [23:06]
nubbins` ehhh. [23:06]
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nubbins` jim bob's rib hole is an eatery [23:06]
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nubbins` different from a restaurant :D [23:06]
thestringpuller domsch: "Right and wrong are just words. It doesn't matter who you know or what you say. What matters...is what you do." [23:07]
mike_c it would be better to learn by attaching yourself to someone experienced. this is a bad industry to learn by failure for the reasons already mentioned. [23:07]
domsch there is definitely someone in charge. But what’s the point of all the titles in the early days? [23:07]
pLambert food-place [23:07]
thestringpuller mike_c: you can learn by failure via spectating [23:07]
mike_c to a degree. you still must get in the trenches to really learn. [23:07]
domsch great quote [23:08]
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thestringpuller mike_c: true, you will never be able to fully comprehend the defense strategy against a large DDoS without having experienced it like say mircea_popescu [23:08]
mike_c or by working for mp when it happens. [23:09]
truffles u sure its him or he's paying some minions [23:09]
thestringpuller paying minions to DDoS him? [23:10]
truffles of expertise [23:10]
ThickAsThieves you sound too sales pitchy /// methinks youre attacking the kid a bit too prematurely [23:11]
thestringpuller ThickAsThieves always the nice guy [23:11]
ThickAsThieves at least let him fuckup for himself before declaring him a fuckup [23:11]
ThickAsThieves he's here aint he? [23:11]
truffles noisy spectators get a bad rap itc [23:12]
mircea_popescu i wonder how much money neobee wasted on all that promotional crap << me too. but it doesn't seem like theres ever going to be a report. [23:13]
truffles 0.0 [23:13]
mircea_popescu smarter over time << word. this shit sharpens under my very eyes. it's... uncanny. [23:13]
mircea_popescu whoa look at that, truffles still exists ?! when did that happen. [23:14]
truffles i happen all the time dood [23:14]
mircea_popescu dood eh ? so what were you in for these past few months ? larceny ? truculence ? [23:15]
pankkake promo crap, oracle license, building [23:15]
truffles u want to know why i left n returned just ask [23:15]
truffles im bored [23:15]
thestringpuller lol oracle license [23:16]
thestringpuller mpex doesn't even use oracle... [23:16]
pankkake MP is the oracle [23:16]
truffles i enjoy poking at u mp cuz others dont seem to dare :D [23:16]
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mircea_popescu yeah but you suck at it. [23:16]
thestringpuller what about tiberius? [23:16]
truffles :( [23:17]
truffles i wouldnt wanna be good at that nonetheless [23:17]
truffles has ur english improved mp? [23:18]
thestringpuller ;;seen nanotube [23:19]
gribble nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 5 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: benkay: the implication would be that output would be sorted by volume? :) [23:19]
truffles ill wait for the spam n check it out i gues [23:19]
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twizt i didnt say he was a fuck up lol [23:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0561 = 0.1683 BTC [-] {2} [23:24]
truffles u said mp's a fuck up? [23:24]
truffles didnt say that*.. [23:24]
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twizt truffles: talking abt domsch [23:25]
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truffles ofc some1 else ok [23:25]
twizt mysql server is free who need a oracle lisence? [23:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0453 = 0.1359 BTC [+] {3} [23:26]
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twizt open question: anyone know how i can pull the kraken spot price using their api? where do I insert the symbol/pair on the url to retrieve the price? [23:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05699999 = 0.171 BTC [+] {3} [23:27]
domsch I wouldn’t say fuck-up. I am rather trying to participate and be actively involved. [23:27]
twizt im not calling u a fuckup lol [23:27]
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twizt chill [23:27]
truffles domsch what do u do? [23:27]
twizt <3 all around [23:27]
thestringpuller domsch: lurk first. there will always be work to do. learn to do the work first tho [23:29]
twizt ^^ [23:29]
truffles hint hint dont step on toes [23:29]
twizt lol truffles [23:29]
twizt nah fuck that burn bridges domsch [23:29]
domsch one of the products http://imgur.com/a/pVsEJ we have have been working on. But there is more to come. [23:29]
domsch and yes, lurking, reading and listening to the mistakes of others is probably the only way to be prepared for this. [23:30]
truffles only way.. [23:30]
truffles so what is this [23:30]
steven-__ very nice unit how much ? [23:30]
pankkake so it's a nfc payment terminal? [23:30]
thestringpuller looks like it uses QR codes too [23:31]
pankkake oh right [23:31]
pankkake pretty cool, very simple design [23:31]
domsch as a young kid that is just getting started, doing the above is pretty much the “only way” to prepare oneself. A problem that I have seen in the past is that a lot of people are reluctant to work with youngsters like me - which I do really understand. [23:32]
truffles do u look scary? [23:32]
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domsch part of that is why it’s great that Internet and Bitcoin allows people to stay anonymous for some time and just convince the other person through words and their abilities. [23:32]
truffles if one can get the job done.. [23:32]
cazalla he's got those shrem eyebrows that make you think twice [23:33]
thestringpuller domsch: you said "we" you don't have niggas? [23:33]
thestringpuller where's your crew? [23:33]
domsch haha - no I hope I don’t. But it’s most stereotypes with locals. I live in the Alps and people around here are process driven: You go to school, college, then you work for someone for a ffew years and ONLY then you can consider running the show. [23:33]
twizt we is me [23:33]
gx anyone with some BTC twitter followers wanna help a brother out with a retweet? trying to get our beta update out to the public. pm me if interested, thx. sex and drugs in return [23:34]
twizt lolol [23:34]
domsch and yes, this is an NFS terminal. They are not ready for serial production yet as we will do some tests in Zurich sometime soon. [23:34]
domsch NFC* [23:34]
twizt domsch check ur pm [23:34]
truffles oh u dont think any1 will copy it huh [23:34]
domsch ou I definitely do - we will open-source it all. [23:35]
truffles ohh [23:35]
domsch this is a gadget supposed to be there for the public use - it is there to add value, not generate money. [23:35]
truffles so its for free? [23:35]
truffles ?? [23:35]
gx https://twitter.com/Coinigy/status/451094162037673984 <- fuck it. i dont understand social media. share it if you care [23:36]
ozbot Twitter / Coinigy: Coinigy Beta Update & ... [23:36]
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khersonus domsch: gpl/bsd/something else? [23:36]
truffles if u paint it black it could be like a little black box :D [23:37]
kakobrekla >We Need Your Help [23:37]
kakobrekla As with any new startup, exposure and early adoption are the keys to success. Please help us out by telling your friends, liking our Facebook page and following us on twitter. [23:37]
kakobrekla -- [23:37]
domsch all the CAD files + software will be free. But if you want to buy the actual unit (meaning already produced) you’ll have to pay. This is for those who don#t have access to a 3d printer and don’t want to go through the hassle. [23:37]
kakobrekla yes. [23:37]
kakobrekla impressions. [23:37]
gx kakobrekla is there something wrong with that line? [23:37]
kakobrekla well unless this is a faucet, then no [23:38]
truffles domsch ok, sounds interesting gl [23:38]
kakobrekla an exchange does not need facebook likes, it needs market makers, for example. and those arent on facebook. [23:39]
gx kakobrekla we're not an exchange. [23:39]
thestringpuller LOLOLOL [23:39]
gx reading comprehension goes a long way nowadays. [23:39]
kakobrekla faucet then [23:39]
kakobrekla dunno i would say you faild to convey the message [23:39]
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truffles is the bitcoin message board down or something? [23:40]
domsch thanks a lot truffles. [23:40]
gx ok, thanks for the constructive criticism, any idea what we could do to improve on conveying the message? [23:40]
kakobrekla well [23:40]
khersonus "less than 20s of delay. This number will be lowered in time to only a few seconds." << I don't think I'd call that "low latency" [23:40]
kakobrekla when i open that link [23:40]
kakobrekla i get about 1000 px of white space first [23:40]
kakobrekla would be a good place to write "WE DO " [23:40]
kakobrekla or "WE ARE " or whatever [23:41]
gx which link specifically? [23:41]
kakobrekla http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=9f03eb56fbb3842181db7f674&id=c4520742b6 [23:41]
ozbot Coinigy Beta Update & Screenshots [23:41]
gx the link is a copy of the email blast we just sent out [23:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00581941 = 1.3094 BTC [+] {6} [23:41]
gx are you on mobile perchance [23:41]
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kakobrekla its what you gave me. [23:41]
kakobrekla no [23:41]
gx i understand, i was curious if you were getting whitespace on coinigy.com vs the link i gave you [23:41]
gx i'm not getting whitespace so i'm just inquiring [23:41]
kakobrekla anyway, pictures are bad [23:42]
kakobrekla you are not in photography biz [23:42]
kakobrekla as far as i can tell [23:42]
kakobrekla so far [23:42]
gx clearly not [23:42]
gx bad in what respect [23:42]
gx are you positive you're not looking at this on a tandy? [23:42]
gx ;) [23:42]
truffles so coinigy is the name? [23:42]
kakobrekla whatever, free advice ends here. [23:43]
gx correct. did we not convey the name properly? [23:43]
truffles coinigy? [23:43]
gx kakobrekla i'm just ribbing you a little bit [23:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05699999 = 0.114 BTC [+] [23:43]
truffles srsly? [23:43]
* truffles wants to go to all the btc startups and shake em [23:44]
gx truffles seriously? is that rhetorical? in which case, no- that's not the name. [23:44]
truffles what is the name [23:44]
gx we've been tossing some ideas around, such as MPEZ or HAVELOX. but they're not rolling off the tongue. [23:45]
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truffles those sound a lot better though [23:45]
gx regardless, appreciate the feedback, as negative as it's been :) [23:45]
truffles if its great, i wont say one bad word [23:46]
bounce tandycoin [23:46]
gx can't improve without constructive criticism. so far apparently there's whitespace, the pictures are shit, and the name sucks [23:46]
kakobrekla i dont see any pictures so whatever content you got there is gone [23:46]
truffles dude that name is turrble [23:46]
rithm derp [23:46]
gx there's a pronunciation guide for you oin coinigy.com [23:46]
gx you racist bastard :) [23:46]
kakobrekla so this is aka btcrt [23:47]
TomServo first indicator that it's no good. [23:47]
kakobrekla or rtbtc [23:47]
kakobrekla or what is it [23:47]
truffles if u have great product none will care [23:47]
pankkake maybe because I'm French, coinigy is hard to pronounce [23:47]
rithm what is coinigy [23:47]
truffles so make it great [23:47]
rithm why are we calling people nigy's [23:47]
phf` gx: just fyi mac speech synth pronounces it as "coy-niggy" [23:47]
kakobrekla well, you have a presence on irc so props for that. [23:48]
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gx kakobrekla regarding latency, the <20s is a catchall as not all exchanges offer websockets support. so we're forced to poll. [23:49]
pankkake google translate says coy niggy too [23:49]
kakobrekla what is the biz model of this? [23:49]
truffles lol at these pronounciations [23:49]
twizt fees kako [23:49]
rithm i'm not a coy nigger [23:49]
kakobrekla twizt you cant just say 'fees' and think you are done explaining [23:50]
rithm this site has upset me. [23:50]
truffles lol [23:50]
gx kakobrekla users purchase credits. [23:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00093771 = 16.1286 BTC [-] {3} [23:50]
kakobrekla credits , like a monthly subscription or ? [23:50]
gx credits are good for manual and auto trades [23:50]
kakobrekla so pay as you go [23:51]
gx not monthly, credits that are banked in your account, and are used up when you place a trade through the system [23:51]
thestringpuller damn mpoe is going to crash down before divs are paid [23:51]
kakobrekla yes, pay as you go. [23:51]
mike_c !t m mpoe [23:51]
assbot Some are born to endless night. [23:51]
thestringpuller !t m s.mpoe [23:51]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00093761 / 0.00094535 / 0.00095556 (1383881 shares, 1,308.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094327 / 0.00095866 (6785318 shares, 6,400.43 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087641 / 0.00096 (29567602 shares, 25,913.37 BTC) [23:51]
truffles "We've been purposely vague up until this point as to what exactly Coinigy is, and how it works. " good stuff [23:51]
kakobrekla >NOW COMPATIBLE WITH EVERY MAJOR CRYPTOCURRENCY EXCHANGE [23:52]
kakobrekla you know wouldnt hurt to list those [23:52]
TomServo truffles: exactly where I stopped reading. [23:52]
kakobrekla i have no idea what standards you got to apply for 'major' [23:52]
truffles im trying to continue [23:52]
truffles looked at pics though [23:52]
kakobrekla anyway time is out. [23:52]
truffles this is tldr stuff [23:53]
truffles dude i can shorten this up for u [23:53]
gx it's an email blast that we sent to our subscribers, it's not meant to be short nor tldr [23:53]
thestringpuller damn stop wasting kako's time [23:53]
thestringpuller he has like [23:53]
truffles umk [23:53]
thestringpuller stuff to do [23:53]
thestringpuller ask kako .01 btc / answer [23:53]
truffles its kinda bad was offering free help u know [23:54]
gx regardless, we're still in alpha, we're not listing the specific exchanges although they can be seen in the screenshots. [23:54]
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gx i appreciate any help- and i expected criticism. main thing is just trying to get the word out. [23:54]
truffles anyways it nice to see creativity [23:54]
thestringpuller okay don't listen gx [23:54]
thestringpuller get the word out [23:55]
thestringpuller have a bunch of people use your product [23:55]
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thestringpuller then it fails for the smallest reason [23:55]
thestringpuller then everyone hates you [23:55]
truffles i wont hate u [23:55]
thestringpuller truffles won't hate you [23:55]
gx i don't care if anyone hates me, i pasted it here for a reason, harshest critics :) [23:56]
truffles i think theyre being nice though [23:57]
thestringpuller gx hate is a dumb word, lets use distrust instead [23:58]
truffles u trust him now then [23:58]
thestringpuller if people distrust you, then you have no foundation at all, and getting this "word out" is meaningless [23:58]
gx understandable. we'll be updating the site with more information about us, including shoe pics, SSNs, etc soon. [23:59]
mike_c ;;gettrust gx [23:59]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user gx: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mike_c&dest=gx | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gx | Rated since: Sat May 25 10:25:06 2013 [23:59]
twizt lol [23:59]
rithm ;;ident [23:59]
gribble Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is identified as user 'rithm', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 113UToFpzVkTHnavtNkUJtjdFQW2BU5xLW [23:59]
rithm no trust here either gx [23:59]
rithm don't feel bad [23:59]
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  1. Thresa Klis`s avatar
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    Thresa Klis 
    Tuesday, 14 April 2020

    With havin so much content do you ever run into any issues of plagorism or copyright infringement? My site has a lot of unique content I've either created myself or outsourced but it appears a lot of it is popping up all over the web without my authorization. Do you know any methods to help prevent content from being ripped off? I'd definitely appreciate it.

  2. Mircea Popescu`s avatar
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    Mircea Popescu 
    Tuesday, 14 April 2020

    You could read http://trilema.com/copyright-notice/ ; and then sit quietly for a minute and try thinking things through. If "your content" is something you can outsource, what exactly is the meaning of the possessive in there ?

    And why do you vaunt your permission's got much to do with anything ? What, you're a person too, just like I am, with an identity and everything, by default & automatically ? You just assume your own agency, for never having thought about it any ; but try an' grok nobody needs to ask your permission for anything because you aren't anything. Neither convention nor statute can ever cancel this out.

    And how wouldn't it pop all over the Internet ? What, those faceless "workers" you imagine, strictly and transparently to satisfy your own fantasies about the world, where do they come from ? Mars, maybe ? Do they sprout on a shelf by your window, in egg cartons ? Do they appear just to be "hired" at your leisure and then disappear into the void, you figure ?

    Make something no-one else can make ; or shut the fuck up and sit down.

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