Let's try to separate (and adnotate) a single thread out of a complex and convoluted log :
mircea_popescu tries to read bartle because people keep insistingi. aside from his tiresome cabotinism (really bitch, mud1 is a major point of reference, because why, you never heard of rogue/nethack or what) he's about as sighted as a snail.
cyberpunk teaches designers a number of valuable lessons about the sociology and psychology of players and the responsibilities of developers. virtual worlds are not insulated from the real world ; they can't be regarded as solely the purview of their designers, publishers, or even players. their influence extends into the real world, and therefore the real world extends into them. ultimately, though, the relationship is one sided : the real world always wins in the end
mircea_popescu holy shit learn to distinguish fact and desire. or whatever, hillary 2016!
Framedragger !#s simondon
a111 0 results for "simondon".
Framedragger ^ this guy (died ca. 1960?) had things to say about cyberpunk. deleuze stole from him. iirc theres an essay on technical object, i admit to not reading it in whole, it's in mah list tho. but, it has that.. continental philosophy style. however, compared to deleuze and derrida, much less bullshit-y.
mircea_popescu cyberpunk as understood by bartle-likes is very different from what you think when you use the term. in this dork's mind it's strictly us, and a consumer affair, of the 70s. like disco hair, us-gayness, pulp fiction or mechanical pianos. "no matter how you do your hair, you still gotta wake up when the alarm rings on monday morning" === "the real world always wins in the end"..
Framedragger aha. mh yeah that sounds pretty derp.
mircea_popescu it's soundly set on the footing of "i have no philosophy, just some hobbies to pass the time". americana entire, moreso than picket fences. kinda why they spent the 90s fascinated with fad diets and "issues". content-free "people".
mircea_popescu speaking of this, and re
asciilifeform: iirc there were earlier instances where mircea_popescu and other folx tried to recycle'em into something: the incident with the rental posters (who was that..?), the 'get epsilon btc to make eulora player', possibly other instances of beehive-fucking
a) it was actually exactly the same as usg pays via minimum wage (out of private pockets, but w/e, usg is the REAL government, not the republic hurr durrii) and
b) it made people do sensible things such as making pgp keys. a certain amount of this "wash yourself" "read a book" basic training will have to be done forcibly, because ontogenesis may follow philogenesis, but it sure as fuck dun follow kalliergesisiii. more importantly c) intelligent folks know about it but dun seem inclined to try it ; perhaps because preconceived notions (oh, a game is below my intelligence and i couldn't be happy with a black woman), perhaps for whatever other cause. so you know, yes i do spend my money to make the world a less shitty place but plox don't take this as some sort of free radical ready to be combined with your stubborn refusal and yield whatever nutty interpretation. it ain't that free a radical.
asciilifeform 'min wage' as found in usa and elsewhere is a complex and long-term parasitic relationship, not a d00d who throws a penny at a bootblack and expects something other than derisive smirk. the 'min wage' folx do this thing... where was the thread, with the 'we make a home!'
mircea_popescu your fixation with "a penny" doesn't help however. it wasn't a penny, it was more than they make at home.
asciilifeform but a 1time moar, neh?
mircea_popescu neh. it was open ended.
asciilifeform i'ma stfu re this point, because i never eulora'd. so i have nfi.
mircea_popescu neither did they :) it was an epic, explosive proof of the whole "poor people are poor because they are stupid, and for no other reason."iv
asciilifeform if it actually contains a 'min wage' apparatus inside somewhere, that these folx could theoretically pay rent from, i take it all back.
mircea_popescu if you were to write timetables, how much time would you count "generate a pgp key and register it with deedbot" ? full hour ? ten minutes ? full day ?
asciilifeform it depends -- must i first learn the alphabet ?
mircea_popescu this is not how this job works.
asciilifeform well, for the purpose of this hypothetical, gotta pick, man or monkey. if monkey - i cannot answer , i am not a trainer of monkeys, do not know how long it takes.
mircea_popescu you familiar with how army works ?
mircea_popescu to load up f-19 with sidewinders, 32 minutes. to refuel plane under deck, 117 minutes. etc.
asciilifeform but army has iq cutoff.
mircea_popescu use the same cutoff. or use whatever sane cutoff. after all - this is human resource engineering not metaphysics.
asciilifeform i'd give a literate tank loader , say, 30 min. to make pgp key.
mircea_popescu so then. by this token working eulora would have paid them MORE than what going to college would have paid them.v which means that if i charged them 50k a year for four years in advance - they'd be about even.
asciilifeform well that's for the intro. but does it smell sufficiently like 'meal ticket' ? how much play does it take to extract, say, 1btc, with 'manual labour' ? (1 btc / mo. will buy a starvation-level existence in the cheaper parts of usa. supposing you also know how to convert it to zimbabwistan currencies.)
mircea_popescu there's no manual labour, it's a computer. but, that aside, with no actual work (ie, on a windows machine, which is how we say "unprogrammable computer") something like a coupla weeks. and for the record, i pegged same at 1hr rather than 30mins, but anyways.
asciilifeform would this 'mineral' coin remain, waiting to be dug out, in the game, if sizeable population of these folx actually appeared to look for it ..?
mircea_popescu no. i would have obviously been forced to end it eventually. however, they didn't even come fucking close to giving me a run for my money.
asciilifeform perhaps these people are slightly more 'long term' thinkers than appearances let on ? and mother taught them 'no free lunch'
mircea_popescu understand the forces at work here - some dork famously promised to pay anyone commenting in his thing 1 bitcent if trump won. then trump won, and he ran off over a debt of ... 25btc, accumulated from a "massive" 2500 comments. i on the other hand paid out 1k btc on a whim. so yes - there'd be need for either 40 reddits ; or else you know, for less amphibian brains. but the "long term thinker" theory utterly fails when confronted with daily reality.
asciilifeform notice how 'civilians' (reddit folk etc) still react in disbelief when they read about mpex having worked as-described ? they will sooner believe in telekinesis, ufo proctologists abducting 50yo d00dz, divine healings, etc. because a d00d keeping promises re money is so far removed from everyday experience of homo americanicus,
mircea_popescu anyway - the point remains, there are REASONS i / we discredit things. there ACTUALLY WAS A WAY for "bitcoin community" on tardstalk to impress me. just as there was a way, years ago, for "bitcoin developer community" to impress me. that these doors successively close doth not mean they weren't there.
shinohai found it a rather fun experiment, learned quite a bit along the way.
asciilifeform monkeys do not know how to turn door knob. then -- or now.
mircea_popescu and therefore people are poor because stupid and for no other reasons. but anyway - at issue is not what is claimed / appears to be at issue. at issue is that people want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway, and not, for any reason, not ever, be paid to change what they do or how they do it. which is why i got all the fiverr dorks failing miserably - they were simply applying the homer simpson heuristic - "i will now chomp my jaws and if a pie happens to go in the way a well"vi. which is why - write 2500 pointless comments on reddit, yay! but make yourself a key nay! consider the following amusing datapoint - other than the "intro" ie, first bitcent, people could make more through digging up ordinary claims for me. the way this works is that you end up with a lot of material, which has to be taken back to town, but you can't carry it, because overweight. there is A BOT! written, documented on wiki, discussed on channel, that shortcuts this. the few dudes who actually worked this dragged the fucking load BY HAND making DOZENS of trips. in spite of being told to read logs and read wiki. same thing could have been done by the built-in bot. in one trip. with all the oversight of looking over two times over six minutes.
asciilifeform btw the same folx who spat on eulora coin -- happily jumped through 1,001 hoops to participate in pyramids on tardstalk etc. because, i suspect, they are not actually stupid, and pyramid offers the dull an opportunity to ~scam next level down~. whereas they could not see where greater fool is to come from at eulora. sorta how if i throw some gold dust in a crack in city pavement, it will not lead to a gold rush. but if in an old mine - it might.
mircea_popescu why not ? they could have sold fucking ebooks about how to make money, like all the other shit they do. what is an "infoproduct" and why doesn't this qualify ?
asciilifeform because even the dull know that bitcoin cannot be magicked out of the aether.
mircea_popescu get out of here. it's not even clear the general population knows it's not edible.vii
asciilifeform actually this may well be. and this train of thought has gone off the cliff of asciilifeform's very, very limited experience with the Expertly Sad demographic.
Framedragger i would wager a claim that hackernews folk - those who need the money and who click through - would be more motivated and more reflective than tardstalk kids (with large enough sample sizes to confirm). i'll consider finding some suitable wording to be posted there, assuming there being interest. (and yes HN is evil and it's possible it's censoring asciilifeform's posts)
asciilifeform you can try, our material generally lasts 1-2 hrs. there.
Framedragger i've seen (and i've posted under a normal-to-their-eyes non-newbie account myself, but mine may have just not attracted interest), fuck them, yes.
asciilifeform what isn't clear to me is that we lose anything thereby. the hn, reddit, etc. bots+meatpuppets collectively sum to 0 imho.
mircea_popescu you will rediscover the same thing : that all the love for ycombinator comes out of the misplaced hopes of a bunch of potheads that graham will pay them to... be potheads. since thye have no such hope about me, they "don't like" me. and so on. it's an easy enough game to play, but honestly i'd rather move to thailand and "seduce" the local whores, $50 at a time.
Framedragger oh, i hear you, i've no love there. but some smart people still hang out there. but, yes, naivete of the youth, i submit that i've nothing to show until i've something to show.
mircea_popescu in which vein, let me recount a little anecdote from personal history. so yesterday i went to a bdsm vip party. this consists of about a hundred people in a hotel rented for the purpose. i brought the hottest girl there, by a fat margin. i took up a loft, with a nice view on the people below, cropped her lightlyviii, fucked her and had a good time. while all this was going on, in a different place they were having an "auction" based on tokens from some dumbass website they have. because hey, selling the dumbasses for actual money would expose a) their collective poverty and b) force change.ix so they use tokens, which supposedly come "from activity", ie like reddit gold, but in practice are a transparent ploy to enforce a social hierarchy without social basis. ie, EXACTLY ycombinator.
asciilifeform usd is not so distant from reddit token. (in terms for how seriously heavy holders come by it)x
mircea_popescu a dude "won" like three of the derpy adolescentine chicks, for an absurdly astronomical amount (literally, just his supposed bids overstate activity on that website by a factor of more than 100). then he proceeded to... use them. guess what this usage consisted of ?
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what do the 'winners' typically do with the 'win' ?
Framedragger mircea_popescu: use them by observing how other people fuck? or making girls fuck so he can observe them? this is amusing
mircea_popescu mno. you'd think at the very least he'd fuck them, but... no. he... masturbated them.
mircea_popescu all through this seeking my approval in the sense of trying to verify if im all that impressed. i... wasn't fucking impressed, because why the fuck would i be impressed with the male nurse.
Framedragger kinda makes me sad
mircea_popescu that's the problem with social hierarchies without social basis : they corrupt, fundamentally. the "leader" becomes the servant. i could have told mine to jump off the fucking balcony. she would have. he couldn't as much as take their fucking knickers off because omaygerd amarisho!!1xi
asciilifeform this is quite puzzling, if you aren't into public fuck ( as asciilifeform for instance is not ) WHY COME to such party.
mircea_popescu because they're into herding. and herding animals will go wherever there's herding safe spaces. which bdsm should be exactly NOT about, but hey, let common people get involved in things, the things will look like common people. back to the issue : they want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway AND STRICTLY THAT.
Framedragger "i heard bdsm is the trend nao, i'll go there". such a waste...
asciilifeform was showing up to this gig somehow 'expected', what, officemates in the dept. of derpland seekoority would make fun of d00d who didn't show ?
mircea_popescu nah. it's mostly a collection of confused girlies and hopelessly dorky dudes. plus a few public servants (like the mentioned dude), plus a few occasionals who have been bringing their WIFE who will play their sunday slave once a few months. for years.
asciilifeform roughly what sort of bag of money was needed to get in the door ?
mircea_popescu i don't think money does it. they charge like 20 bux a head (yes, same for male or female, SAME IF ALONE etc!!1), but i think i'm on the list mostly because they're petriscared of me. it isn't open to the general public.
Framedragger "no possibility of transcend", so to speak, following protocol. (re. "can you pay me to do what i'm used to doing when i get paid")
mircea_popescu aha. that's the whole fucking point. liberals ? NIGGA WHAT ?!?! nobody is a liberal, the last one died in siberia. they're UBERconservative, so fucking self-protective it boggles anyone's mind.
asciilifeform it isn't so different from ordinary concept of 'profession'. cobbler expects to be paid to make boots, not to sweep street. etc
mircea_popescu none of (reddit clicking / forum derping / bdsming) is a profesion. they are supposed to be the opposite of professions : educations.
asciilifeform well no. but same circuits are engaged.
Framedragger i'm sure that making say decent artisan boots ain't fuckin' easy at all. (sure, working as a knob in a large factory is another thing - though i'd like to see redditards sweat many hours a day at factory and not call for mommy)
mircea_popescu not a matter of easy or hard. a matter of separating vocation from avocation and your immortal soul from the fucking commerce spiel. also known as "have some fucking self respect" in some circles.
asciilifeform most folx in usa working 'office job' are not doing anything considerably different, in aesthetic or even results, than reddit click. (and often there is considerable time on literal reddit etc. involved.)
mircea_popescu which is why they're so lost.
Framedragger i do see the general parallel, sure.
asciilifeform and american-style liberasty is simply the indignation of one set of redditors that the other is paid, while they - not
mircea_popescu this isn't even so far off. "marxism" reconstructed as social media jealousy. "why myspace users make myspace gold which is worth three reddit gold ?!?!? UNFARE!"
Framedragger heh. labour theory of value for reddit: i spend hour at reddit while you spend hour at reddit at work - why we unequal
mircea_popescu goes right with the "western women be bitchez" logics of the alt-unfucked.
asciilifeform lulz from above fishwrap. mr.t's vp goes to theatre, is heckled ~by the actors~
mircea_popescu hey, at least they didn't shoot him amirite.
asciilifeform aha! that was my 1st thought. they nervously smoke in the corner, in light of mr. booth.
mircea_popescu aha. see, booth WAS a liberal. these dorks are conservative. there's no such thing as liberal narcissism.
Now then - to understand each other :
- Liberalism is when I say nigger, or jew, and you are enticed by the usage to go check out what I mean by the terminology. Conservatism is when you already have the value judgements ready-made. Do you assume you know what I mean better than I do, or don't you ?
- Liberalism is when your experience of otherness is chiefly structured around the hope that it'll rescue you from your stale, untenable, unbearable interior life. Conservatism is when your experience of transcedence is chiefly composed of a promise it'll safeguard your interior life from the threats of alterity. Do you wish to be changed or preserved ?
- Did it strike you as bizarre that in response to "Let's Make America Great Again" the best self-identified American Progressives could muster was "STFU, America Is Already Great" ? Progress understood as an effort to safeguard the values, gains and etcetera in front of the radical-conservative onslaught ?
To be clear : you're not liberal ; and you're not progressive. Nor are you radical, Marxist, socialist, impaciuitorist, samanatorist or liber-schimbist.
You are simply petrified of change, dedicated to defending against change, always ready to cover up the defense so that perhaps the inferiority complex and burning self-hatred that feed it somehow remain invisible to your own eyes.
Don't you think it's a tad strange that you could do anything you set your mind to ever since you were three years old, and yet you've never done anything, ever ? Isn't it odd that you enjoy sexual freedom your grandparents couldn't dream of and yet get laid less than them ? They enjoyed it when they did it. Do you ? Living in "the richest country in the world", in "the richest time in history" really makes your poverty stand out, doesn't it ? Money aside, do you know more than a Salinas teenager from 1895 ?xii :
Strange, they didn't have the intertubes back then, nor was wikipedia revolutionizing the ignorance of retards, nor did they fucking love science. I wonder how they managed. Don't you ?
You're not a liberal. You're just a petrified ignoramus, and that's all.———
- I'm lead designer for humanity's last hope a computer game may be created that's actually worth playing, and therefore everyone's trying to help as best they can. [↩]
- The reference here is the oft discussed reflexive CEDR (credit-the-empire-discredit-the-republic) behaviour. [↩]
- You know how a young enough human embryo will appear indistinguishable from a fish or a reptile or whatever other common ancestor ? There's absolutely nothing equivalent in culture. You will be a retard at some early point in your life because people were cavemen at some early point in their history - but you will not read books because your father read books, nor will you maintain proper hygiene simply because your mother's cunt never stank in her entire life. The things that matter aren't inborn, but selected for and trained, in this order. [↩]
- This is the cornerstone truth that your own stupid mind and the collection of monkeys on your back don't want you to learn. Yes, there may be cases of rich dudes that aren't smart - but there was never nor will ever be, nor could ever be a case of a poor dude that wasn't also stupid.
PS. If what you're about to say reduces to "not according to himself", please shut up. I don't mean here - I mean everywhere else. Just shut the fuck up, universally and permanently. [↩]
- Here's some actual data (courtesy of Neil Swidey for the Boston Globe) :
Dean College sits on a pretty, leafy campus in Franklin. A former two-year college, it began offering a selection of bachelor’s degrees only about a decade ago. It now accepts about 70 percent of the students who apply, the same rate as Fitchburg State University. Last year, Dean sent a financial aid award letter to an accepted student whose family, the federal government had determined, was so poor that the “expected family contribution” (EFC) to that student’s education was zero. The college awarded the student a Dean Presidential Grant of $17,000 and another nearly $13,000 in institutional, federal, and state grants, meaning that almost $30,000 of the bill was covered and never had to be paid back. Sounds great, right? Yes, until you look at the larger numbers on the award letter. The total cost of attendance — tuition, room, board, and fees — was $53,120. That meant the gap that this “zero-EFC” student had to cover through loans and other means in order to attend was more than $23,000. Per year. Over four years — and with only modest rises for inflation factored in — that total gap could be expected to climb to around $100,000, not counting future interest payments. That’s a ton of debt, particularly for a degree from a college whose median annual salary for alumni 10 years after enrolling is just $32,700.
To Dean’s credit, about half of its students who pursue a bachelor’s degree manage to graduate. Contrast that with Becker College in Worcester. On its website, Becker talks about being able to trace its roots back to two signers of the Declaration of Independence. It does not, however, mention what US Department of Education data from 2012-2013 show: namely, that just 16 percent of Becker’s students managed to graduate in four years, a number that inches up only to 24 percent when the time frame is extended to six years, the federal standard for completing a bachelor’s degree. In other words, 3 out every 4 students who enrolled as freshmen at Becker failed to graduate. Nor does the website mention that, after all grants and discounts are applied, a typical zero-EFC low-income student is required to come up with more than $25,000 every single year to cover the costs of attending Becker.
This seems to be the operating calculus at many small, private, nonselective or less selective colleges across the region, which routinely accept more than 60 percent of applicants. Consider the average annual “net” prices — after discounts and grants have been deducted — that these colleges are charging students coming from families whose total adjusted gross annual income is $30,000 or less. At a surprising number of colleges, this annual net price represents nearly all of that family’s total income for the year.
That 100k is not merely collosal, it is also coming at the wrong time (there's a reason why saving a dime when you're 20 gives you a lot more than saving a dime when you're 50) and out the wrong end (you will repay that out of your salary which is the wrong degree of chumpatronicity).
Think this through. Tandala undertakes 100k of debt, and of the magical sort that can't ever be discharged. This will cost him a solid 5k a year in service alone. What exactly does he get in exchange ? He's not adding 5k of earning power, not even by a longshot. On the contrary - he's building unreasonable expectations for himself, the sort that'll keep him from the more lucrative blue collar jobs, and he's setting the idiocy down in cement. Had he just built unreasonable expectations for himself, nurturing delusions about how he's really a writer/singer/songwriter/activist (seems to be fashionable these days) and thus too good to do my plumbing, hunger may have eventually cured him. But once he pours the cement of a large pile of debt into his cost structure there's no saving him, that extra 5k a year has to come from somewhere, and it won't be coming from me. Unlike him, I can't be coerced. Unlike him, I can't be deluded.
A college degree marks very strictly the difference between hunger-which-cures and hunger-which-kills, and if you permit your children to pursue one, you're permitting them to commit suicide. Quite literally, suicide. College kills more people than drunk driving - and you don't let the kids drive drunk, do you ? [↩]
- Lisa on Ice, 1994 :
Marge Simpson: Oh, I'd better go check on them. Now, Homer, don't you eat this pie.
Homer: All right, Marge.
Homer: All right, pie. I'm going to start doing this...
[makes chomping motion]
Homer: -and if you get eaten, it's your own fault.
[He shuts his eyes, and moves toward the pie, making chomping motions, but hits his head on the stove hood]
Homer: OW! AH! Oh, my... oh, to hell with it.
- Literally. You recall the Turkey Horizon ?
Kellie Pickler Wut ? Hungry ? That's a country ? I herd o' Turkey...
- You know, with a crop. [↩]
- See this discussion of the particular pretense. [↩]
- This point is very strictly correct - they're not even on the level of ethereum, nor will they ever be. [↩]
- Amarisho is how the local gypsies say yellow. Since "safe words" aren't enough, they also have dedicated topping-from-the-bottom words now.
Ideally in the near future they all just say "faker" and go home already. Hopefully they'll pronounce it "Argentina" for maximal justice. [↩]
8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, Kansas - 1895
This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 from Salina, Kansas. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smoky Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, Kansas and reprinted by the Salina Journal.
Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7-10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.
Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts. per bu, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $.20 per inch?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10.Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.
U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865?
Orthography (Time, one hour)
1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic orthography, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'.
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e'. Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, super.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: Card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences, Cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10.Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.
Geography (Time, one hour)
1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of N.A.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fermandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10.Describe the movements of the earth. Give inclination of the earth.
PS. Yes, I pass this, notwithstanding that I'm not from over there nor do the topics covered interest me particularly. And see also La ce imi serveste mie radicalurile ?
PPS. Make sure you also check out the snopes pandering, by all means, you're a liberal[
conservative] and your interest is to check my facts [ oust me as a hypocrite]. Mixed, eh ? [↩]