I was fully expecting for the lot to just give in and accept their "salvation", such as it is. This is, generally speaking, a safe bet, and in the immortal words of Casper "I'm a sporting man. I like a sure thing."
Then the vote came out, and people seem to agree :
decimation Speaking of which mircea_popescu so you called it with the debian GR re: systemd, they 'voted' to make init scripts 'optional'.
mircea_popescu Aha. I was merely following the hints.
asciilifeform They actually voted for surrender to enemy, because that is what 'meeting halfway' is. 'Camel's nose' etc. Achilles said to tortoise, let me stick the cock in halfway. And then again halfway. Again. (recurse)
decimation I don't blame Red Hat et.al., like Larry Ellison, they are just exploiting what they can exploit.
asciilifeform Lest anyone think tortoise gets nothing from this deal - think again. He gets to derp in front of the other cartoon animals, that - even while his shell is bursting from megacock thrust - that nothing at all is happening. Because it isn't really "in". Or something like this.
mircea_popescu Well, in truth the entire "free software" thing was dead a while back. So the remaining pretenders don't manage to cling on to the shoes of their forebears. This should be shocking or what ?
But I must confess that I've spent some time with this issue, and am not nearly as sure what we've seen there is any kind of surrender. Consider yourself : why is money attacked by the socialist horde ? Because there's something there to attack. The correct solution, then, is to make banking optional, and issuance immutable. What, if you consider the issue with due seriousness, would in your estimation be the difference between the Bitcoin solution to "socialists want to spend your money" and the "optional init scripts" solution to "socialists want to improve your computing" ?
Poettering & the rest of the shitgnomes are doing SystemD rather than whatever atrociously unusable sound server or whatever it is they do under their rock. Why ? Because they think it's important, right ? They, like the whole rest of the EOLiv retardsv of their generation seek the light of the stage. But this begs the question, why exactly is SystemD important at all ?
The obvious answer, at least to me, seems to be... "init scripts aren't optional". You have to pick a particular system and you're stuck with it. That's what Poettering & the rest of the shitgnomes are doing here : they are seeking "now I can get fat" aka marriage. With you, on your dime. Hey, it worked for their mothers, right ? And they were raised by
a pack of rabid wolves their mothers, so they aspire to become... their mothers. Except they're not waitresses and pedicurists, trying to get pizza, beer and pot money. They're smart kids, don't you know, so they'd like your intellectual welfare. They'd like to "change the world" by means of you know, being in your workspace. Whether you want them or not (hey, the feminine guile!!! they gots it!!1), and whether you think they suck or not. They just want to be there. Like the women that spawned them, to a t.
The solution found at the GR seems to me cruelly exact and quite on point. Kids that failed to mature are trying to use your thing to mature against ? Remove the parts in question. Ideally implemented, the GR vote results in a situation where no program can rely on aforeknowledge as to what sort of init scripts it is going to encounter in the wild.
Some will choose the monolythic approach and assume anyway, Windows style. One of these may even be propped by the full "faith and credit" of the USG, such as it is these days. Which propping costs money, and which expenditure makes - in typical USG manner - exactly no difference : the entire lot is doomed to failure.
Some will choose the linux way, and this is really the point of this GR, as well as any other, as well as Debian in general and sanity altogether : that the right way may survive. There's no aspiration, indeed there could never be any aspiration to make the right way the only way. The only plan is for it to survive indefinitely, so the Poettering infantile minds of tomorrow have something to be wrong against then, too, while the rest of the people - those five or five dozen or five hundred people that actually matter - can go about living their life.———
- Like from instance from my anger at that Sam Hartman fellow. [↩]
- Socialists want to "save" individuals that don't need any saving by recourse to "the group". Individualists don't care about any random nut's notions of what "the group" is or what its putative normatives would look like, and expect all inviduals to save themselves, if such a thing is desirable or for that matter possible.
That's right : it is not a "political" debate. It's a religious debate, in exactly that ancient manner. At issue is "salvation" and generally speaking interaction with the metaphysical - the scary, the unknown, the au-delà. And yes in this context Sam Hartmans paralogies make a lot of sense, in the sense that they fit well in the context, much like puss fits with septicemia. That doesn't make either puss or Hartman (should someone find a way to distinguish between puss and pustule) the right thing, but quite wrong. So, so very wrong.
Turns out you were wrong to think magical thinking had been somehow "defeated". This is not possible in practice, magical thinking is intellectually cheap. Always, always cheap, and men - reasonable men even! - will try the reasonable approach just as soon as all cheaper alternatives have been exhausted. [↩]
- In fairness, it's been brewing for over a year by now. [↩]
- English as an only language. [↩]
- I blame the parents. You really should be very, very ashamed of yourselves, people. [↩]