Comments on: The wisdom of crowds. Apparently, it mostly depends on the crowds in question. http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/ Moving targets for a fast crowd. Wed, 13 May 2026 21:32:29 +0000 http://polimedia.us hourly 1 By: SystemD's Poettering Wants To Break Linux User Management To Suspend His Laptop | Qntra http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-131552 SystemD's Poettering Wants To Break Linux User Management To Suspend His Laptop | Qntra Wed, 25 Sep 2019 18:10:17 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=58031#comment-131552 [...] SystemD wrecking artist Lennart Poettering has proposed a substantial reworking of the way Linux handles users which would break many of the ways Linux is actually used under the pretext that the changes would make him feel more comfortable leaving his laptop in a suspended power state (archived). [...] [...] SystemD wrecking artist Lennart Poettering has proposed a substantial reworking of the way Linux handles users which would break many of the ways Linux is actually used under the pretext that the changes would make him feel more comfortable leaving his laptop in a suspended power state (archived). [...]

]]> By: Stanislav Datskovskiy http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-127390 Stanislav Datskovskiy Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:43:52 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=58031#comment-127390 Meanwhile http://www.edwardgoldsmith.org >> "connection reset by peer". RIP. Meanwhile http://www.edwardgoldsmith.org >> "connection reset by peer". RIP.

]]> By: Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-110090 Mircea Popescu Sat, 22 Nov 2014 03:56:51 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=58031#comment-110090 You're not going to get a "straight answer", principally because your definition of "straight answer" is "an answer which neatly fits my precoinceived ideas - which aren't even randomly preconceived for that matter, but instead so constructed as to reach particular mistaken conclusions I happen to feel comfortable with". Feel free to complain that the world doesn't readily satisfy your expectations on this score. I'm not going to go into a silly comparison of namedropping. For one thing, there is no such thing as "systemd detractors". There's a very precious few kids pushing a particular agenda on one hand, and the whole rest of the world on the other hand. This comparison is by definition and will perpetually stay unequal. And no, Poettering won't matter in a few years, after this debacle settles into the dust of public forgetfulness any more than he matters today, a few years after his avahi debacle settled into the dust of public forgetfulness. Anf fuck you with your "funding development" bullshit. Yes, I get it, the USG is printing money like there's no tomorrow, and its agents masquerading as "contractors" like to pretend like the pointless crud they try to pave the world with is "backed by money". It's not. It's backed by empty promises. systemd development is not funded in any sense. Most importantly, it's not intellectually funded. You're not going to get a "straight answer", principally because your definition of "straight answer" is "an answer which neatly fits my precoinceived ideas - which aren't even randomly preconceived for that matter, but instead so constructed as to reach particular mistaken conclusions I happen to feel comfortable with". Feel free to complain that the world doesn't readily satisfy your expectations on this score.

I'm not going to go into a silly comparison of namedropping. For one thing, there is no such thing as "systemd detractors". There's a very precious few kids pushing a particular agenda on one hand, and the whole rest of the world on the other hand. This comparison is by definition and will perpetually stay unequal. And no, Poettering won't matter in a few years, after this debacle settles into the dust of public forgetfulness any more than he matters today, a few years after his avahi debacle settled into the dust of public forgetfulness.

Anf fuck you with your "funding development" bullshit. Yes, I get it, the USG is printing money like there's no tomorrow, and its agents masquerading as "contractors" like to pretend like the pointless crud they try to pave the world with is "backed by money". It's not. It's backed by empty promises. systemd development is not funded in any sense. Most importantly, it's not intellectually funded.

]]> By: pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-110088 pankkake Sat, 22 Nov 2014 03:06:23 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=58031#comment-110088 Getting a straight answer is such a pain. So what ideas made "linux" and "unix" "worth using", and why is systemd changing that? Will I get a straight answer or yet another deflection? I'm not sure where you are going here. I have no doubt systemd detractors have little abilities, which is why I said "resources". They could fund development if it was so important. My prediction was that it won't happen. Getting a straight answer is such a pain.

So what ideas made "linux" and "unix" "worth using", and why is systemd changing that? Will I get a straight answer or yet another deflection?

I'm not sure where you are going here. I have no doubt systemd detractors have little abilities, which is why I said "resources". They could fund development if it was so important. My prediction was that it won't happen.

]]> By: Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-110084 Mircea Popescu Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:23:17 +0000 http://trilema.com/?p=58031#comment-110084 @<b>Stanislav Datskovskiy</b> Seems kinda a future-in-the-past, this. I don't seem to recall using Debian anything past Sarge, unless you count Ubuntu as Debian, therewhich 10.04 makes a decent entry level system for noobs. Ulterior versions are, of course, worse than nothing. @<b>pankkake</b> So stated the question is useless. What I propose is sticking to the original ideas that made linux worth using, and that made unix worth using enough so that when the previous generation of tards fucked it up (back then it was "patents" idiocy) it was worth reimplementing as linux. If what those are needs any expounding in this venue, the student in question is <em>not ready yet to make anything at all</em>. This last point is too easily glossed over, by imbecile adolescents in their fear of "slavery". It is an important point. Not anybody, anytime, anywhere is intellectually apt and mentally ready to write code. If this is what you fear under the name of "slavery", then let me tell you that no manumission can ever free you from this particular slavery. @Stanislav Datskovskiy Seems kinda a future-in-the-past, this. I don't seem to recall using Debian anything past Sarge, unless you count Ubuntu as Debian, therewhich 10.04 makes a decent entry level system for noobs. Ulterior versions are, of course, worse than nothing.

@pankkake So stated the question is useless. What I propose is sticking to the original ideas that made linux worth using, and that made unix worth using enough so that when the previous generation of tards fucked it up (back then it was "patents" idiocy) it was worth reimplementing as linux. If what those are needs any expounding in this venue, the student in question is not ready yet to make anything at all. This last point is too easily glossed over, by imbecile adolescents in their fear of "slavery". It is an important point. Not anybody, anytime, anywhere is intellectually apt and mentally ready to write code. If this is what you fear under the name of "slavery", then let me tell you that no manumission can ever free you from this particular slavery.

]]>