Forum logs for 31 Aug 2013
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 298 @ 0.003499 = 1.0427 BTC [+] | [00:05] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 366 @ 0.003498 = 1.2803 BTC [-] | [00:08] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 5 @ 0.02589 = 0.1295 BTC [+] | [00:12] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 85 @ 0.0033 = 0.2805 BTC [+] | [00:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0259 = 0.8806 BTC [+] | [00:13] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 6 @ 0.0011 = 0.0066 BTC [-] | [00:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 324 @ 0.003498 = 1.1334 BTC [-] | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/crash/ | [00:15] |
ozbot | Crash pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [00:15] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2746 @ 0.00086581 = 2.3775 BTC [-] | [00:27] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 273 @ 0.003498 = 0.955 BTC [-] | [00:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1227 @ 0.0035 = 4.2945 BTC [+] | [00:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.184 BTC [-] | [00:36] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.181 = 0.543 BTC [-] | [00:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.1802 = 0.901 BTC [-] | [00:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.1801 = 1.801 BTC [-] | [00:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.18 = 1.8 BTC [-] | [00:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.18 = 1.8 BTC [-] | [00:36] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.537 = 5.074 BTC [-] | [00:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 85 @ 0.02527 = 2.148 BTC [+] | [00:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 110 @ 0.002629 = 0.2892 BTC [+] | [00:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.002629 BTC [+] | [00:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 73 @ 0.0011 = 0.0803 BTC [-] | [00:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.296 = 2.96 BTC [-] | [00:42] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.28 = 2.8 BTC [-] | [00:42] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.25 = 2.5 BTC [-] | [00:43] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 150 @ 0.003498 = 0.5247 BTC [-] | [00:52] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 961 @ 0.0011 = 1.0571 BTC [-] | [00:55] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00086667 = 3.12 BTC [+] | [00:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+] | [00:58] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003497 = 0.0699 BTC [-] | [01:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 78 @ 0.003498 = 0.2728 BTC [+] | [01:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 6 @ 0.00113 = 0.0068 BTC [+] | [01:03] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+] | [01:05] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02401 = 0.2641 BTC [-] | [01:06] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 25 @ 0.003449 = 0.0862 BTC [-] | [01:06] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003412 = 0.0171 BTC [-] | [01:06] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 511 @ 0.003412 = 1.7435 BTC [-] | [01:06] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 7 @ 0.003411 = 0.0239 BTC [-] | [01:06] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.003401 = 0.6802 BTC [-] | [01:07] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 500 @ 0.003375 = 1.6875 BTC [-] | [01:07] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 173 @ 0.00333 = 0.5761 BTC [-] | [01:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 599 @ 0.003329 = 1.9941 BTC [-] | [01:07] |
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kingofsports | hey guys question regarding futures - why do people that are not hedging a postion they have buy futures? Generally future prices are below the today price of a stock or commodity. Why not just sell at todays price instead of 30 days from now if you arent trying to hedge something? | [01:23] |
benkay | leverage | [01:23] |
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kingofsports | is there any way of profiting from buying a futures contract if i dont have a position in that stock? | [01:23] |
benkay | yes, by selling the contract. | [01:23] |
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kingofsports | such as options, where in many cases u never hold the stock u just lose or instantly profit if u buy at a strike price | [01:24] |
kingofsports | okay so offering a contract is always +EV i assume well in most cases. | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | kingofsports if the price in the future is below the spot and you don't need the item until the future then of course you buy the future | [01:24] |
kingofsports | since u offer a lower price paid in 30 days | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | it's cheaper. | [01:24] |
kingofsports | ah i just dont understand how futures is similar to options, someone told me that. | [01:25] |
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mircea_popescu | well i guess you got some reading to do. | [01:25] |
kingofsports | i just dont see why it would be beneficial to BUY an offered future, if u could sell for more at todays price. | [01:26] |
kingofsports | i cant see how THAT MANY people would buy futures cause they are in a stuck postion til that length of time goes by, but futures are huge. | [01:26] |
mircea_popescu | hence the reading. | [01:26] |
kingofsports | i could def see how offering a future price could be profitablre. | [01:26] |
mircea_popescu | look. are you married ? | [01:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 104 @ 0.0033 = 0.3432 BTC [-] | [01:27] |
kingofsports | im 19, finance and accounting student. 2nd year. | [01:27] |
kingofsports | single. | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | cool. so if you can either pay 10k for a wedding ring right now, or $100 for a wedding ring in 2015 | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | which would you prefer ? | [01:27] |
kingofsports | $100 in 2015 | [01:28] |
kakobrekla | none of the above | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | there you go. that's your future. | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | you've just bought one. | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | kakobrekla he's 19 not 29. give the guy time. | [01:28] |
kakobrekla | gotta start educating early when the brain is young | [01:28] |
kingofsports | what im saying is, how is it profitable to buy an offered future. Say bitcoins are selling for $130 today, and someone offers a 30 day future of $120. Why is there any demand for that future when someone could sell today for $130. | [01:29] |
kakobrekla | anyway sorry for the intrusion, carry on | [01:29] |
kingofsports | i understand how its profitable for the person offering the future below spot price. | [01:30] |
kingofsports | cause if price stays the same they make money in 30 days | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | nah, im done. | [01:30] |
kingofsports | why would someone take my $120 in 30 days future when they could sell btc now for $130 is what im asking. whats the motivation / reason behind it. | [01:30] |
kingofsports | cmon im trying to understand it. I read about it but i still dont see why anyone would take a future when they could sell for more TODAY. i watched TDameritrade all their videos and simulations. Options understood, forex ehh understood for most part but futures i dont see the one side why anyone would do it. | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | you realise the payment is now, and the delivery later ? | [01:32] |
kingofsports | like for your example mirceau why would anyone offer u to sell the ring for $100 in 2 years when they could sell it for $10000 now? | [01:32] |
kingofsports | oh | [01:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COG.F2] 1 @ 4.997 BTC [-] | [01:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COG.F2] 1 @ 4.998 BTC [+] | [01:32] |
kingofsports | that clears it up somewhat. | [01:33] |
mircea_popescu | so if $100 right now for a ring i don't have to deliver for 16 months is worth 9900 for me, i'll offer that deal. | [01:33] |
kingofsports | now i understand it better. now i see. companies make sure steady revenue no matter what thru these futures. | [01:33] |
kingofsports | got it. | [01:33] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | shit's explained nicely on my blog, but sadly it's in romanian. | [01:34] |
kingofsports | i hear people get absolutely killed sometimes in futures if they dont know what their doing, to me tho it sounds less risky then options tho | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | it IS less risky than options. it's horribly risky nevertheless. | [01:34] |
kingofsports | oh okay | [01:34] |
kingofsports | theres youtube vids of ppl losing life savings in instants | [01:35] |
kingofsports | thru futures | [01:35] |
mircea_popescu | there's youtube videos of idiots losing lives in instants through chainsaws | [01:35] |
mircea_popescu | what's in a video. | [01:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 2 @ 0.00119 = 0.0024 BTC [+] | [01:36] |
kingofsports | lol true | [01:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7922 @ 0.00086667 = 6.8658 BTC [+] | [01:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 580 @ 0.00086732 = 0.503 BTC [+] | [01:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.552 BTC [+] | [01:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.557 BTC [+] | [01:37] |
kingofsports | now mircea what happens if the company fails to deliver is it legally actionable? | [01:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.1977 = 0.5931 BTC [+] | [01:38] |
kingofsports | say i offer futures of $120 for 10 BTC, and person fails to deliver but i have all their info and the contract. | [01:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1977 = 0.3954 BTC [+] | [01:38] |
kingofsports | duh its a contract nvm. | [01:38] |
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arandomer | hey | [01:38] |
mircea_popescu | futures are standardised contracts. you get cleared by a clearing house or somesuch | [01:38] |
arandomer | Does chang ever show his face around here? | [01:39] |
benkay | what's up arandomer? | [01:39] |
arandomer | nothing much, ben, what about yourself? | [01:39] |
kingofsports | ah okay | [01:39] |
benkay | arandomer: he's around from time to time | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | arandomer you can use ;;seen | [01:40] |
benkay | ;; seen mircea_popescu | [01:40] |
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arandomer | mircea_popescu, I saw some of your posts on Reddit | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | anything good ? | [01:40] |
arandomer | Eh, wasn't too bad. | [01:41] |
kingofsports | ;;last ASIC share price | [01:41] |
gribble | (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} |
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kingofsports | is there a way to look at the options book for ASIC shares? | [01:42] |
kingofsports | thru this chat | [01:42] |
mircea_popescu | afaik the only book access is via mpexbot | [01:42] |
mircea_popescu | $depth s.mg | [01:42] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: S.MG Bids: ['3300 @ 0.00018', '15000 @ 0.0001711', '4686 @ 0.000171', '10000 @ 0.00017', '20000 @ 0.000165'] | [01:42] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: Asks: ['10000 @ 0.0002185', '15000 @ 0.00021899', '10000 @ 0.000219', '17184 @ 0.00022', '10000 @ 0.000235'] | [01:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 400 @ 0.003499 = 1.3996 BTC [+] | [01:43] |
jurov | hi all, satoshi square bratislava made ~ 3 transactions in about 10 btc total | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | pix ? vids ? hot chix ? | [01:43] |
jurov | price between 85-89 eur | [01:43] |
mod6 | :] | [01:43] |
kingofsports | man i understand options and the risks now i just gotta understand how to read the books like on mpex...i took one look at mpex and besides the standard buy and sell prices didnt know what the hell i was reading. | [01:43] |
jurov | hmmm, no hot chix were around when i made photos | [01:44] |
mircea_popescu | bid/ask, last trade, min/max prices past 30 days and day/month volumes | [01:44] |
kingofsports | no i mean like this: X.IDIFF.JUN | [01:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 2 @ 0.01289 = 0.0258 BTC [+] | [01:45] |
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kingofsports | obv that means june | [01:46] |
kingofsports | but for what and what what? | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | click on it see the contract neh ? | [01:46] |
kingofsports | well thats helpful | [01:46] |
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kingofsports | lol sorry | [01:46] |
kingofsports | any big winners or losers lately mircea with your options? | [01:47] |
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mircea_popescu | nah, very low volume | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | they're pretty much too difficult to price it seems. | [01:48] |
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kingofsports | right now what would be your premium for 10 BTC with $140 strike price be? Call. | [01:49] |
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mircea_popescu | $depth O.USD.C140T | [01:50] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. | [01:50] |
kingofsports | im curious to know how high u guys have to be with your premiums to be profitable, thinking of offering options and futures for small amounts. | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | you know it's not that hard to check on your own | [01:50] |
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kingofsports | oh okay | [01:50] |
kingofsports | now that u said it | [01:50] |
kingofsports | i can find it easily | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | $depth O.USD.C140N | [01:50] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: O.USD.C140N Bids: ['1000 @ 0.0539499'] | [01:50] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.39509381'] | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | t's are about to expire | [01:50] |
kingofsports | are Ts tuesday, Ns are wednesday? | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | t;s are this month, n are next month | [01:51] |
kingofsports | oh nvm | [01:51] |
kingofsports | read it | [01:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 37 @ 0.02401 = 0.8884 BTC [-] | [01:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02401 BTC [-] | [01:51] |
kingofsports | can u buy less then 1000? | [01:52] |
kingofsports | i would assume so. | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | yea, you can buy 1 | [01:52] |
kingofsports | okay cool | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | each contract is for 1 btc mind you. | [01:52] |
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kingofsports | ;;last labcoin | [01:54] |
gribble | (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} |
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kingofsports | are there any sites that allow u to offer futures of your own? | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | you can write your own options on mpex. | [01:57] |
kingofsports | my thought is in BTC world how do i make sure i get my end of the contract at the end of the length of time. | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | you can't really make futures anywhere, atm. | [01:57] |
kingofsports | yeah makes sense why | [01:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.556 BTC [-] | [02:00] |
kingofsports | what is the price based on for your USD options mircea? bitstamp? | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | $avg | [02:02] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: 131.20 | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | that. | [02:02] |
kingofsports | oh ok | [02:02] |
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kingofsports | so essentually i can buy an option for $128 strike price at .079 fee, thats like $136 overall or so. | [02:03] |
kingofsports | $137 | [02:03] |
kingofsports | thats not too bad, prices shoot up nonstop. | [02:03] |
kingofsports | they move ~15% range id say every month | [02:03] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 42 @ 0.003495 = 0.1468 BTC [-] | [02:04] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 219 @ 0.003495 = 0.7654 BTC [-] | [02:07] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.2 = 0.8 BTC [+] | [02:08] |
kingofsports | i assume many of your offers are all robot based, do u have a set ROI u set your options at mircea? Like an edge of 5% for you or higher. | [02:08] |
jurov | kingofsports: perhaps look up the MPOE reports? | [02:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 20 @ 0.00119 = 0.0238 BTC [+] | [02:10] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 25 @ 0.003496 = 0.0874 BTC [+] | [02:11] |
jurov | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=191014694413529&set=gm.157183037814453&type=1&theater lulzy order book | [02:11] |
jurov | if you wanted btc cheaply, you should have been there :) | [02:11] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 95 @ 0.0035 = 0.3325 BTC [+] | [02:14] |
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mircea_popescu | jurov what settlement method did you use ? | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | fixing or what | [02:16] |
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jurov | ad hoc | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [02:17] |
jurov | there was no recognizable system | [02:17] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1431 @ 0.0035 = 5.0085 BTC [+] | [02:19] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1976 BTC [-] | [02:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LTC-ATF.B2] 1 @ 0.01039 BTC [-] | [02:24] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-] | [02:29] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 2 @ 0.004546 = 0.0091 BTC [+] | [02:30] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.494 BTC [-] | [02:30] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 6 @ 0.0254 = 0.1524 BTC [-] | [02:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02401 = 0.2401 BTC [-] | [02:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 45 @ 0.024 = 1.08 BTC [-] | [02:36] |
kakobrekla | http://i.imgur.com/qNkRGvP.jpg | [02:37] |
kakobrekla | ops | [02:37] |
kakobrekla | well since i pasted it here and its only second half, heres the first one to put it in context http://i.imgur.com/VsfvHEE.jpg | [02:39] |
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jurov | kakobrekla: you know universe was created by Eris first? | [02:49] |
jurov | then she said screw dat and left it all to that impostor | [02:50] |
kakobrekla | with or without the assholes? | [02:50] |
jurov | the impostor added the assholes as per his taste | [02:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.0035 BTC [+] | [02:50] |
kakobrekla | hm ok | [02:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.0035 = 0.0175 BTC [+] | [02:51] |
jurov | Yes, that's true in some sense, false in some sense, and true and false in some sense. | [02:54] |
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pankkake | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YElLVMjEs | [02:54] |
ozbot | Assholes - YouTube | [02:54] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8945 @ 0.00086581 = 7.7447 BTC [-] | [02:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11455 @ 0.0008655 = 9.9143 BTC [-] | [02:55] |
mircea_popescu | jurov wasn't it sophie ? what eris. | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | eris aka discordia is jus' some bitchy slut. | [02:57] |
jurov | and sophie isn't? | [02:58] |
mircea_popescu | sophie just likes suckling the cock. | [02:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1974 = 0.3948 BTC [-] | [02:59] |
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jurov | seems a good disguise. | [03:00] |
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pankkake | http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/08/litecoin a better bitcoin, no less | [03:03] |
ozbot | Ex-Googler Gives the World a Better Bitcoin | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com | [03:03] |
jurov | because it’s a more credible alternative to the growing list of Bitcoin imitators | [03:03] |
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mircea_popescu | pankkake the press. fit to clean windows with. | [03:08] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 40 @ 0.003598 = 0.1439 BTC [+] | [03:12] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.002668 BTC [-] | [03:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086732 = 5.4641 BTC [+] | [03:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.002668 BTC [-] | [03:15] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00995 = 0.0995 BTC [-] | [03:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.0099 = 0.0693 BTC [-] | [03:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.009814 = 1.9628 BTC [-] | [03:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 46 @ 0.009813 = 0.4514 BTC [-] | [03:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 99 @ 0.009812 = 0.9714 BTC [-] | [03:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009807 BTC [-] | [03:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 27 @ 0.009805 = 0.2647 BTC [-] | [03:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 202 @ 0.003598 = 0.7268 BTC [+] | [03:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 848 @ 0.0036 = 3.0528 BTC [+] | [03:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 11 @ 0.003598 = 0.0396 BTC [-] | [03:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0254 = 2.54 BTC [-] | [03:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.0254 = 0.254 BTC [-] | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-august-2013-statement/ | [03:23] |
ozbot | MPOE, August 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [03:24] |
mircea_popescu | provisional statement, open to comment. will become definitive in a day, and payments owed going out by monday. | [03:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 40 @ 0.00459 = 0.1836 BTC [+] | [03:26] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 6 @ 0.004591 = 0.0275 BTC [+] | [03:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.00459 BTC [-] | [03:28] |
jurov | 1`779.1269145 BTC | [03:31] |
jurov | O.O | [03:31] |
jurov | o/ | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | ya, such a month... | [03:33] |
jurov | wow, you really consider the eve bsnss serious | [03:35] |
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mircea_popescu | hey, it's the billionz! | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | can;'t argye with them billionz. | [03:36] |
jurov | haha. goodnight. | [03:36] |
mircea_popescu | lter | [03:36] |
grubles | lol you have an EVE Online corp mircea_popescu ? | [03:39] |
mircea_popescu | grubles yup. | [03:39] |
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mircea_popescu | it's called 1Bitcoin | [03:39] |
grubles | interesting | [03:39] |
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VanCleef | lolz people feeling the 20 indian lawyers to crush BFL and avalon | [03:40] |
grubles | the only reason I used to play that game was to infiltrate corps and steal stuff | [03:40] |
mircea_popescu | grubles so do you have a buncha stuff ? | [03:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1000 @ 0.0045 = 4.5 BTC [-] | [03:41] |
grubles | nah i dont play anymore | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | VanCleef how's that goin' ? | [03:41] |
VanCleef | good mate | [03:41] |
kakobrekla | didnt you have one such inflitration mp? | [03:41] |
mircea_popescu | well was some guy that blew up mah sheep | [03:42] |
VanCleef | we will crush our enemy and eat their children | [03:42] |
mircea_popescu | not sure how he'd have gotten anything out of it tho | [03:42] |
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grubles | your sheep? | [03:45] |
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mircea_popescu | mah sheep | [03:47] |
kakobrekla | grubles how do you steal stuff in the game? | [03:47] |
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mircea_popescu | same way as bitcoin | [03:48] |
mircea_popescu | you get idiots to give it to you. | [03:48] |
kakobrekla | dont they have wot? :) | [03:49] |
mircea_popescu | nope | [03:49] |
mircea_popescu | real primitive schmucks | [03:49] |
mircea_popescu | been at it for ten years, they don't have toilet paper. | [03:50] |
VanCleef | friend of mine made this game - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhmB5bioAGs | [03:50] |
VanCleef | it got pretty popular | [03:50] |
mircea_popescu | but i plan to weave the wot in. | [03:50] |
VanCleef | should bring it over to s.mg | [03:50] |
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kakobrekla | how? | [03:51] |
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mircea_popescu | VanCleef sure, tell your friend to drp by. | [03:51] |
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mircea_popescu | kakobrekla for instance by requiring wot presence for promoting ppl in soc | [03:51] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003598 BTC [-] | [03:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 25 @ 0.004588 = 0.1147 BTC [+] | [03:57] |
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grubles | kakobrekla, rise up enough positions in a corp for them to trust you enough to give you access to tons of ore / materials / blueprints / ships etc. | [04:06] |
grubles | then you do them dirty | [04:06] |
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mircea_popescu | grubles i gout about a billion in ore in corp hangar right now. | [04:09] |
grubles | i wouldnt worry much about ore | [04:09] |
grubles | since its a bitch to transport | [04:09] |
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mircea_popescu | it's metal not ore. | [04:10] |
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mircea_popescu | mah bad. | [04:10] |
mircea_popescu | i just learned how to refine the shit. | [04:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [+] | [04:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.5 = 12.5 BTC [-] | [04:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.5 = 10 BTC [-] | [04:10] |
grubles | ah | [04:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COG.F2] 2 @ 4.998 = 9.996 BTC [+] | [04:10] |
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ThickAsThieves | kinda fun http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1lfobc/i_am_a_timetraveler_from_the_future_here_to_beg/ | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=heroin%20shooting%20in%20the%20eye%C2%AD%20ball&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEoQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fanswers.yahoo.com%2Fquestion%2Findex%3Fqid%3D20060907171058AA40dqM&ei=wkIhUuSwKZKHswac24HYCw&usg=AFQjCNE7q3tt1XJEm8CEzlMTTa0eO9KODQ&bvm=bv.51495398,d.Yms | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | uh sorry | [04:11] |
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mircea_popescu | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060907171058AA40dqM | [04:11] |
ozbot | Is it safe to shoot heroin into your eyeball? - Yahoo Answers | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.02520001 = 0.252 BTC [-] | [04:12] |
jborkl | seems like a good idea | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 5 @ 0.0252 = 0.126 BTC [-] | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 6 @ 0.02515 = 0.1509 BTC [-] | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.02512 = 0.2512 BTC [-] | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 5 @ 0.02501 = 0.1251 BTC [-] | [04:12] |
mircea_popescu | what could possibly go wrong. | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 13 @ 0.02500011 = 0.325 BTC [-] | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.0250001 = 0.2 BTC [-] | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 13 @ 0.02500001 = 0.325 BTC [-] | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [-] | [04:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 2.55 BTC [-] | [04:13] |
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jborkl | uggh spentbthe day working like a 110 degrees here, also setting up blades. i wish they had made them easier to mount | [04:16] |
mircea_popescu | jborkl listen, there was a guy with heat stroke | [04:17] |
mircea_popescu | don't mine in overwarm places | [04:17] |
jborkl | well it isbhot as shit here | [04:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.185 = 1.665 BTC [-] | [04:18] |
jborkl | i need a cave like activeminer | [04:18] |
mod6 | where's that? arizona? | [04:18] |
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jborkl | texaa | [04:18] |
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mod6 | ah, werd. | [04:19] |
mircea_popescu | lol actiminer dreamed up a cave for themselves ? | [04:19] |
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jborkl | they have pics and everythinh | [04:19] |
mircea_popescu | link ? | [04:20] |
jborkl | lemme see if i can find it | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1198 @ 0.0036 = 4.3128 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 374 @ 0.0036 = 1.3464 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 207 @ 0.003638 = 0.7531 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 377 @ 0.003656 = 1.3783 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003666 = 0.3666 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 99 @ 0.003666 = 0.3629 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 440 @ 0.00368 = 1.6192 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003688 = 0.3688 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 97 @ 0.003693 = 0.3582 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1400 @ 0.003693 = 5.1702 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 89 @ 0.003693 = 0.3287 BTC [+] | [04:20] |
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jborkl | i cant find it mp, butbthey have a cave in alabama? cant remember the state | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | they "have" a cave ? how ? isn't it protected by some authority ? did they buy or lease ? | [04:24] |
jborkl | i saw a picture so you know it is true | [04:24] |
jborkl | lol | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | does it flood ? etc. | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | what if bats move in. | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | what if they accidentally kill a migratory swan with the fans on a case | [04:24] |
jborkl | supposed to be some huge dataxenter that uses it causebit is like 58 degrees | [04:24] |
jborkl | endangered beetles are all the rage | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | is it in russell cave ? | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | :D | [04:26] |
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jborkl | man that was a lot of work getting those setup before the long weekend | [04:27] |
jborkl | got them this am, all done | [04:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 138 @ 0.003695 = 0.5099 BTC [+] | [04:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003697 = 0.2958 BTC [+] | [04:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 235 @ 0.0037 = 0.8695 BTC [+] | [04:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.0037 = 0.0185 BTC [+] | [04:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 7871 @ 0.0037 = 29.1227 BTC [+] | [04:28] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 138 @ 0.003698 = 0.5103 BTC [-] | [04:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.0037 = 0.296 BTC [+] | [04:28] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.003739 = 0.187 BTC [+] | [04:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003741 = 0.3741 BTC [+] | [04:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 888 @ 0.003742 = 3.3229 BTC [+] | [04:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003743 = 0.3743 BTC [+] | [04:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 98 @ 0.003748 = 0.3673 BTC [+] | [04:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 415 @ 0.00376 = 1.5604 BTC [+] | [04:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 377 @ 0.003765 = 1.4194 BTC [+] | [04:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.00377 = 7.54 BTC [+] | [04:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.00335 = 0.0067 BTC [+] | [04:32] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.02461 BTC [-] | [04:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0246 = 0.492 BTC [-] | [04:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.0244 = 0.244 BTC [-] | [04:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.02431 = 0.4862 BTC [-] | [04:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.0242 = 0.242 BTC [-] | [04:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.0242 = 0.242 BTC [-] | [04:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.02419901 = 0.605 BTC [-] | [04:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LTC-ATF.B2] 14 @ 0.01039 = 0.1455 BTC [-] | [04:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.023 = 0.184 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0226 = 0.452 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0225 = 1.125 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.022 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.022 = 0.44 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.022 = 0.396 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.02191 = 0.482 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.02161 = 3.1335 BTC [-] | [04:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 19 @ 0.00335 = 0.0637 BTC [+] | [04:35] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.003785 = 0.0076 BTC [+] | [04:38] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 341 @ 0.0002229 = 0.076 BTC [+] | [04:38] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 342 @ 0.0002228 = 0.0762 BTC [-] | [04:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1149 @ 0.00022001 = 0.2528 BTC [-] | [04:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 5 @ 0.0254 = 0.127 BTC [+] | [04:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 9 @ 0.00022 = 0.002 BTC [-] | [04:39] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 385 @ 0.0002102 = 0.0809 BTC [-] | [04:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 942 @ 0.00021001 = 0.1978 BTC [-] | [04:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 708 @ 0.003785 = 2.6798 BTC [+] | [04:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02479 BTC [+] | [04:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003788 = 0.3788 BTC [+] | [04:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 117 @ 0.00379 = 0.4434 BTC [+] | [04:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 373 @ 0.00379 = 1.4137 BTC [+] | [04:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.00379 = 0.0076 BTC [+] | [04:43] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5991 @ 0.00086802 = 5.2003 BTC [+] | [04:45] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4625 @ 0.00379 = 17.5288 BTC [+] | [04:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2500 @ 0.00379 = 9.475 BTC [+] | [04:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1546 @ 0.00379 = 5.8593 BTC [+] | [04:49] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1400 @ 0.003796 = 5.3144 BTC [+] | [04:56] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 2.55 = 22.95 BTC [-] | [05:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003715 BTC [-] | [05:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 29 @ 0.003715 = 0.1077 BTC [-] | [05:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 29 @ 0.00335 = 0.0972 BTC [+] | [05:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 52 @ 0.00335 = 0.1742 BTC [+] | [05:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003715 = 0.0186 BTC [-] | [05:14] |
thestringpuller | .d | [05:17] |
ozbot | 65750060.14908 | Next Diff in 874 blocks | Estimated Change: 21.8359% in 4d 17h 39m 3s | [05:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 576 @ 0.003727 = 2.1468 BTC [+] | [05:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003726 = 0.0745 BTC [-] | [05:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2904 @ 0.003725 = 10.8174 BTC [-] | [05:19] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 576 @ 0.003727 = 2.1468 BTC [+] | [05:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 17096 @ 0.003725 = 63.6826 BTC [-] | [05:27] |
grubles | damn 63 btc | [05:28] |
mircea_popescu | need bitcoinz to buy mpex seats with. | [05:31] |
qxzn | mircea_popescu how much is a seat? | [05:32] |
mircea_popescu | 30 | [05:32] |
qxzn | that's not so bad | [05:33] |
qxzn | does that price ever change? | [05:33] |
qxzn | like if the exchange rate changes a lot? | [05:33] |
mircea_popescu | it does go up. | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | was 20 for a while in 2012 | [05:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.56 BTC [+] | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | eventually it will exceed 20mn and no more seats will be created. | [05:34] |
qxzn | heh | [05:34] |
qxzn | how many seats do you have now? | [05:34] |
qxzn | like how many have been bought | [05:34] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-paid-accounts/ | [05:36] |
ozbot | MPEx paid accounts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | that's like the most recent discussion | [05:36] |
mircea_popescu | you can go through the reports since then to figure it out | [05:36] |
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qxzn | I am too lazy to do that | [05:38] |
qxzn | Rough estimate from your graph is in the 100-200 zone | [05:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003784 = 0.0757 BTC [+] | [05:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 239 @ 0.003785 = 0.9046 BTC [+] | [05:41] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 10 @ 0.01268 = 0.1268 BTC [-] | [05:44] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 68 @ 0.01265 = 0.8602 BTC [-] | [05:44] |
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mircea_popescu | something like that back then. | [05:54] |
VanCleef | did assbot use to display mpex trades? | [05:57] |
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mod6 | VanCleef: it always has, and still does. | [06:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 5 @ 0.004577 = 0.0229 BTC [-] | [06:00] |
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VanCleef | okey, i only see btct and havelock | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | nature of bitcoin, you gotta dig through a whole lot of bs to find the real stuff. | [06:04] |
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Duffer1 | ha | [06:06] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.02339 BTC [-] | [06:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 60 @ 0.00337 = 0.2022 BTC [+] | [06:08] |
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thestringpuller | you mod6 | [06:10] |
thestringpuller | where u at | [06:10] |
mod6 | in the wirez | [06:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8595 @ 0.0008655 = 7.439 BTC [-] | [06:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4005 @ 0.00086424 = 3.4613 BTC [-] | [06:10] |
thestringpuller | OH NOEZ | [06:10] |
mod6 | m00 | [06:10] |
thestringpuller | otter | [06:10] |
thestringpuller | slap slap | [06:10] |
thestringpuller | lol | [06:10] |
mod6 | heheh | [06:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.165 = 0.33 BTC [-] | [06:11] |
mod6 | bitotterbot swims in teh ether | [06:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 500 @ 0.01591 = 7.955 BTC [-] | [06:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.165 = 0.495 BTC [-] | [06:13] |
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thestringpuller | mircea_popescu is there anyone who will purchase 1BTC shares for Isk? | [06:14] |
thestringpuller | ;D | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | already happened. | [06:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.009999 = 0.9999 BTC [+] | [06:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.0008665 = 3.8126 BTC [+] | [06:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3067 @ 0.00086802 = 2.6622 BTC [+] | [06:15] |
thestringpuller | but does it happen recurringly? | [06:15] |
thestringpuller | as in at any time is someone wanting to buy stock? | [06:15] |
thestringpuller | (liquidity I guess is the word, or liquidity with ISK) | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | well yes, im mming it currently | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | tho in the future i imagine there'll be people doing it | [06:16] |
thestringpuller | cool that's gangsta | [06:16] |
thestringpuller | you got me wanting to paly | [06:16] |
thestringpuller | in fact I'm going to start playing again because of that | [06:17] |
thestringpuller | jurov | [06:17] |
thestringpuller | where u at | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [06:18] |
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mod6 | i need to perhaps build my first gaming machine ever so i can play eulora ... i might start or try out eve too. but im such a n00b. | [06:20] |
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mod6 | i was like, a super-n00b when testing eulora. | [06:21] |
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thestringpuller | Eve you can just trade shit that the corp has in stock if you know the supply and demand of the zones. | [06:24] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: does 1BTC have any miners? | [06:24] |
mircea_popescu | yup | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | there's bns worth of shit in the corp stores, and a policy enabling trading in the first place. | [06:25] |
Pickaxe_Included | hi guys | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | mod6 haha i corrupt | [06:25] |
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mod6 | haha. | [06:25] |
afrotec | hi Pickaxe_Included | [06:25] |
Pickaxe_Included | on bets of bitcoin if i bet on my own new bet and it gets rejected....do i get my btc back? | [06:25] |
Neil | bitbet down | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [06:25] |
afrotec | believe so | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | Neil i see it ? | [06:26] |
Pickaxe_Included | na its up for me too | [06:26] |
mircea_popescu | Pickaxe_Included you get it usually on the next block. | [06:26] |
Neil | Hmm weird | [06:26] |
Pickaxe_Included | i screwed up and put in a duplicate bet that ends sooner | [06:26] |
Pickaxe_Included | well it matches another active bet | [06:27] |
Neil | Down for me; other sites are fine. | [06:27] |
mircea_popescu | neil try a web proxy ? | [06:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02401 = 0.2401 BTC [-] | [06:27] |
Pickaxe_Included | does anyone 'make a living' off of bets of bitcoin? like could i in theory create 100 new bets everyday and the winners get me paid? | [06:27] |
Neil | It was there 5 mines ago; I'll just wait a few mins.# | [06:27] |
Neil | Now it's back. *shrug* | [06:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 60 @ 0.024 = 1.44 BTC [-] | [06:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003645 = 0.0182 BTC [-] | [06:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003644 = 0.0729 BTC [-] | [06:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 169 @ 0.003585 = 0.6059 BTC [-] | [06:28] |
Neil | mircea_popescu: If I want to bet on the side the house gave me at the start of the bet (i.e. the 0.0x freebie) can I send to the send to address for those house ones too, just like one I request myself? | [06:29] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 140 @ 0.0007803 = 0.1092 BTC [+] | [06:30] |
Neil | Never mind I'll just get a new address | [06:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1751 BTC [-] | [06:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.175 = 0.875 BTC [-] | [06:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1748 BTC [-] | [06:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.174 = 0.522 BTC [-] | [06:31] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1743 BTC [+] | [06:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.56 BTC [+] | [06:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 9 @ 0.004571 = 0.0411 BTC [-] | [06:35] |
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mircea_popescu | Neil wauirt what ?! | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | oh cause the house bet is linked to you hmm. i think we need to poll kakobrekla on thios one | [06:38] |
Neil | Yeah not obvious; and I don't want to be a source of gracious donations to shareholders :) | [06:39] |
Neil | I've successfully reused addresses I generated several times; just not sure about house ones | [06:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1000 @ 0.0045 = 4.5 BTC [-] | [06:40] |
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mircea_popescu | those you generate are safe for sure. | [06:41] |
mircea_popescu | in principle these should also, but i dun wanna mislead. | [06:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 111 @ 0.024 = 2.664 BTC [-] | [06:43] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 8 @ 0.00457 = 0.0366 BTC [+] | [06:46] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe that jorash guy asking the btc-anal channel the same quantum-mine-all-the-coins | [06:50] |
ThickAsThieves | " |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.024 = 1.2 BTC [-] | [06:51] |
mod6 | he was in here the other day talking about some asset he created for a quantum emulator or something | [06:51] |
mircea_popescu | i gave him the task of using the an0 to make himself a budget for the thing | [06:51] |
mircea_popescu | with the observation that the difference between a report and a budget is simply that one's forward facing whereas the other reflects the past. | [06:51] |
mircea_popescu | im curious what comes of it. | [06:52] |
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ThickAsThieves | he tried getting private funding through me, and asicminer, he's fishing in every pond he can dip his toes in | [06:52] |
mircea_popescu | a well. | [06:52] |
mircea_popescu | if people were more obedient and less inclined to self-manage the us wouldn't be collapsing in the first place. | [06:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 14 @ 0.1726 = 2.4164 BTC [-] | [06:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1725 BTC [-] | [06:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.172 BTC [-] | [06:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.171 BTC [-] | [06:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.17 = 0.85 BTC [-] | [06:56] |
ThickAsThieves | btc foundation lawyer, santori, reports on the meeting they had with US gov agencies | [06:56] |
ThickAsThieves | http://letstalkbitcoin.com/e37-meeting-mastercoin/#.UiFoODasj2w | [06:56] |
ozbot | E37 – Meeting Mastercoin | Lets Talk Bitcoin | [06:56] |
ThickAsThieves | about 12min in is where he starts | [06:56] |
ThickAsThieves | sounds like pretty much every possible giv dept was there | [06:56] |
ThickAsThieves | gov* | [06:56] |
mircea_popescu | that's a fact. | [06:57] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003773 = 0.0189 BTC [+] | [06:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003774 = 0.0755 BTC [+] | [06:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 206 @ 0.00378 = 0.7787 BTC [+] | [06:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.003782 = 0.1891 BTC [+] | [06:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003785 = 0.0189 BTC [+] | [06:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 754 @ 0.003786 = 2.8546 BTC [+] | [06:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4 @ 0.003784 = 0.0151 BTC [-] | [06:58] |
ThickAsThieves | fincen, irs, fdic, fed reserve, offic of comp of currency, fbi, dea, ss, dhs | [06:58] |
mircea_popescu | not like they have anything else to do. taxpayers pay, bureaucrats dick about all day. | [06:59] |
mod6 | lol | [07:00] |
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ThickAsThieves | steange bitcoin ad: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/wp-content/uploads/useful_banner_manager_banners/9-EasyDNSLessCrazyGreen.jpg | [07:02] |
ThickAsThieves | stange* | [07:02] |
ThickAsThieves | strange* | [07:02] |
hotsocks | lol | [07:02] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LTC-ATF.B2] 15 @ 0.01039 = 0.1559 BTC [-] | [07:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LTC-ATF.B2] 185 @ 0.0104 = 1.924 BTC [+] | [07:08] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-] | [07:14] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 531 @ 0.01251 = 6.6428 BTC [-] | [07:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 100 @ 0.0125 = 1.25 BTC [-] | [07:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 100 @ 0.01248 = 1.248 BTC [-] | [07:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 257 @ 0.01242 = 3.1919 BTC [-] | [07:24] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.025 = 0.6 BTC [+] | [07:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003628 = 0.0726 BTC [-] | [07:29] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003627 = 0.2902 BTC [-] | [07:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 135 @ 0.003612 = 0.4876 BTC [-] | [07:32] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00086766 = 3.2103 BTC [-] | [07:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [FIMB] 4 @ 0.0109 = 0.0436 BTC [+] | [07:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 8 @ 0.02479 = 0.1983 BTC [+] | [07:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 21 @ 0.02479 = 0.5206 BTC [+] | [07:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02479 = 0.2479 BTC [+] | [07:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00262 BTC [-] | [07:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3025 @ 0.00086802 = 2.6258 BTC [+] | [07:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7275 @ 0.00087096 = 6.3362 BTC [+] | [07:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02479 BTC [+] | [07:43] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 105 @ 0.024 = 2.52 BTC [-] | [07:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024 BTC [-] | [07:46] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 2 @ 0.0159 = 0.0318 BTC [-] | [07:48] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.17 = 0.85 BTC [-] | [07:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.17 = 1.02 BTC [-] | [07:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.0033 = 0.0066 BTC [-] | [07:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003577 = 0.0715 BTC [-] | [07:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 110 @ 0.003576 = 0.3934 BTC [-] | [07:53] |
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fanquake | #github | [07:57] |
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mod6 | oops | [08:04] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 3 @ 0.00337 = 0.0101 BTC [+] | [08:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [+] | [08:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.0044 BTC [-] | [08:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 999 @ 0.0044 = 4.3956 BTC [-] | [08:14] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.165 = 0.495 BTC [-] | [08:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [+] | [08:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003646 = 0.0729 BTC [+] | [08:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003647 = 0.0729 BTC [+] | [08:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 235 @ 0.003742 = 0.8794 BTC [+] | [08:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003744 = 0.2995 BTC [+] | [08:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003748 = 0.3748 BTC [+] | [08:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 245 @ 0.00375 = 0.9188 BTC [+] | [08:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 30 @ 0.0035061 = 0.1052 BTC [+] | [08:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 9 @ 0.003506 = 0.0316 BTC [-] | [08:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 11 @ 0.00350001 = 0.0385 BTC [-] | [08:19] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 1 @ 0.00439 BTC [+] | [08:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1473 @ 0.00087096 = 1.2829 BTC [+] | [08:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5877 @ 0.00087247 = 5.1275 BTC [+] | [08:35] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.51 BTC [-] | [08:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [-] | [08:38] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [15:37] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard. | [15:37] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013 | [15:37] |
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mircea_popescu | dexX7 it's fascinating how everything starts out "the largest" | [15:37] |
ThickAsThieves | and funny how website scams cant help but look like scams merely by their design style | [15:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.004301 = 0.043 BTC [+] | [15:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 990 @ 0.0043 = 4.257 BTC [-] | [15:43] |
mircea_popescu | and further funny how nobody seems to realise that starting your life by comitting to a hugely ridiculous and vastly verifiable lie is pretty bad for your credibility. | [15:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.545 = 5.09 BTC [+] | [15:44] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.546 BTC [+] | [15:44] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.548 BTC [+] | [15:44] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.582 BTC [+] | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | what if they're successful, ad absurdum ? i'll meet the guy at a conference in 2023 and say, o, you're the guy that was lieing in 2013 ? | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | what's he gonna do then, herp at me really hard ? | [15:44] |
ThickAsThieves | well he will ask you to eat his pudding | [15:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.1699 = 1.0194 BTC [+] | [15:45] |
mircea_popescu | aok | [15:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 44 @ 0.17 = 7.48 BTC [+] | [15:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.188 BTC [+] | [15:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.1896 = 0.7584 BTC [+] | [15:45] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.1898 = 1.1388 BTC [+] | [15:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.1898 = 0.949 BTC [+] | [15:46] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google "eat my pudding" | [15:46] |
gribble | Dinner for Schmucks (2010) - Quotes - IMDb: [15:46] |
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mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves am i missing some subtext thar ? :D | [15:46] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;google proof is in the pudding | [15:47] |
gribble | Urban Dictionary: the proof is in the pudding: |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.0247 = 0.0988 BTC [-] | [15:47] |
ThickAsThieves | sorry, i was twisting it | [15:48] |
ThickAsThieves | i wondered if it would translate | [15:48] |
mircea_popescu | a a | [15:48] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 4 @ 0.0144 = 0.0576 BTC [-] | [15:48] |
mircea_popescu | well so duh, i'll link to logs.bitcoin-assets.com. | [15:48] |
mircea_popescu | not like it's hard to prove. | [15:48] |
ThickAsThieves | sorta like the end justifies the means, in common use | [15:49] |
mircea_popescu | but what the fuck is the end ? making sure everyone takes you for a scammer ? | [15:49] |
ThickAsThieves | no, making more money than you | [15:49] |
mircea_popescu | so fucking stupid that shit. | [15:50] |
mircea_popescu | why not just have a bigger penis than me. what the fuck happened to "doing something useful" | [15:50] |
ThickAsThieves | the way people are these days, scamming isnt always hard to shake | [15:50] |
ThickAsThieves | even OJ Simpson had a movie career after killing his wife | [15:50] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, so what's the plan, it'll call itself BiTBeTeC or BTBTC for short and print somewhere a line on the website going OVER 1500000000 BTC BET !!! | [15:51] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [15:52] |
mircea_popescu | it feels like we're back to the old webpage days when people were adding visitor counters. | [15:52] |
ThickAsThieves | this is one point of yours that i havent bought into yet | [15:52] |
ThickAsThieves | i CAN believe it | [15:52] |
mircea_popescu | i guess it's my mistake that in adding volume lines on the actual sites i somehow gave the idiots the impression that a "real good copy" TM consists of LARGER DIGITS | [15:52] |
ThickAsThieves | but without evidence it's hard | [15:52] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves which ? | [15:52] |
ThickAsThieves | that the exchange might be complicit | [15:53] |
ThickAsThieves | actively | [15:53] |
mircea_popescu | theswede has 50k btc of his own to just throw back and forth ? | [15:53] |
ThickAsThieves | the labcoin IPO threw around about 15k | [15:53] |
ThickAsThieves | twas btcgarden that was about 25k | [15:54] |
mircea_popescu | i recall you were here a month or so back when we did the math, and it was something ridiculous top the tune of 50k | [15:54] |
ThickAsThieves | when you added the current scams | [15:54] |
ThickAsThieves | was around there | [15:54] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway : there's two ways this can work. either burnside gave them "margin" on account that "he knows what he's doing" and "that's what exchanges do" iho, | [15:54] |
ThickAsThieves | doubtful | [15:54] |
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mircea_popescu | or else he has a security hole that he's too ashamed to admit. | [15:55] |
ThickAsThieves | surely even he could not survive 40k btc from thin air | [15:55] |
ThickAsThieves | or even half that | [15:55] |
mircea_popescu | these'd be the constructions that i can see making him two different flavours of stupid rather than actively complicit. | [15:56] |
ThickAsThieves | or a quarter | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | so play along buster. | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | and what is this "Even he" ? | [15:56] |
ThickAsThieves | you think it's less likely that it's the scammers throwing their weight around? | [15:56] |
ThickAsThieves | for example | [15:56] |
mircea_popescu | burnside is a minor shit that ran a ltc exchange for a while to little avail, and then jumped on trying to make a glbse clone last year. | [15:56] |
ThickAsThieves | suppose ActM, BTCGarden, Labcoin, and maybe some older ones are all the same group | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | when did he become some sort of authority ? you probably have more assets than he ever did. | [15:57] |
ThickAsThieves | surely theyd have amassed that kind of coin | [15:57] |
ThickAsThieves | to now throw momentum into their scams | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves they are mostly same group i'm pretty sure. | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | nah, not quite. | [15:57] |
ThickAsThieves | for example, | [15:57] |
mircea_popescu | i keep track of what scammers got. | [15:58] |
ThickAsThieves | the labcoin IPO was 7k | [15:58] |
mircea_popescu | giga split with a lot of coin, but he's bought miners for them | [15:58] |
ThickAsThieves | and i saw 15k of deposits | [15:58] |
ThickAsThieves | orders* | [15:58] |
ThickAsThieves | so I played | [15:58] |
mircea_popescu | owens etc group never made enough, kenna split with a lot vbuyt sold / lost most | [15:58] |
ThickAsThieves | and banked | [15:58] |
mircea_popescu | there just isn't the coin available in scammor camp | [15:58] |
ThickAsThieves | i think its safe to say that 7k coins got extracted from labcoin buyers | [15:59] |
mircea_popescu | i guess there's always the possibility that some smooth operator got the wool over the eyes of a backer, and bought a bunch of coins to finance a set of scams. | [15:59] |
ThickAsThieves | which could easily have made up part of the btcgarden buyin | [15:59] |
ThickAsThieves | add ActM to that | [15:59] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves i think that'd be way overshot. | [15:59] |
ThickAsThieves | and you start getting there | [15:59] |
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mircea_popescu | the muppets don't have that much. my guess is 500 to 2k on the brightest side. | [16:00] |
ThickAsThieves | i think you underestimate how much coin is up for grabs | [16:00] |
mircea_popescu | well if we agreed it wouldn't be fun. | [16:00] |
ThickAsThieves | :) | [16:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.0043 = 0.043 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 6 @ 0.004251 = 0.0255 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 25 @ 0.00425 = 0.1063 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 156 @ 0.004219 = 0.6582 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 39 @ 0.004217 = 0.1645 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 55 @ 0.004196 = 0.2308 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 220 @ 0.004195 = 0.9229 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 6 @ 0.004172 = 0.025 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 25 @ 0.004171 = 0.1043 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.004152 = 1.038 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 208 @ 0.004151 = 0.8634 BTC [-] | [16:04] |
mircea_popescu | what movie career did oj simpson have ?! | [16:05] |
mircea_popescu | what the fuck, i have raw vids of about a dozen girls im probably going to straight delete as i can't be bothered to have edited | [16:05] |
mircea_popescu | do THEY have movie careers too ?! | [16:05] |
ThickAsThieves | he had a few random cameos | [16:06] |
LorenzoMoney | OJ SIMPON's career in film http://www.imdb.com/find?q=o.j.+simpson&s=all | [16:07] |
LorenzoMoney | actually this is it http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001740/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 | [16:07] |
LorenzoMoney | he was in the naked gun, the towering inferno, capricorn one | [16:07] |
LorenzoMoney | Frogmen, CIA Code Name: Alexa | [16:08] |
LorenzoMoney | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001740/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 | [16:08] |
ThickAsThieves | those are old movies | [16:08] |
ozbot | O.J. Simpson - IMDb | [16:08] |
ThickAsThieves | mostly he only was in naked gun | [16:08] |
LorenzoMoney | no mostly he was in these: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001740/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 | [16:08] |
ThickAsThieves | pay attention | [16:09] |
ThickAsThieves | the relevance is AFTER he murdered | [16:09] |
ThickAsThieves | not every movie he ever showed up in | [16:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 6 @ 0.01591 = 0.0955 BTC [+] | [16:10] |
LorenzoMoney | Oh I have been insulted by TAT | [16:10] |
LorenzoMoney | the question was what Movies has OJ SImpson been in | [16:10] |
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LorenzoMoney | just shut up and make me money | [16:11] |
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LorenzoMoney | Diablo-D3: that was so clever! wait while I stand in shock | [16:11] |
LorenzoMoney | a cultural reference that uses my name. Hip is written all over you | [16:11] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: could i push you s.mpoe in exchamge fr isk to pay my eve subscription? | [16:12] |
ThickAsThieves | being told to pay attention is not an insult | [16:13] |
ThickAsThieves | but indicitave of your personality | [16:13] |
ThickAsThieves | is your reaction | [16:13] |
thestringpuller | exchange* for* | [16:14] |
ThickAsThieves | sure | [16:14] |
ThickAsThieves | you are a unique * | [16:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 225 @ 0.01286 = 2.8935 BTC [+] | [16:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 275 @ 0.01287 = 3.5393 BTC [+] | [16:16] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller yep | [16:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 22 @ 0.1987 = 4.3714 BTC [-] | [16:16] |
Scrat | ;;asks 100000000 | [16:17] |
gribble | There are currently 39497.025 bitcoins offered at or under 100000000.0 USD, worth 619456548.901 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0088 seconds | [16:17] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 225 @ 0.01591 = 3.5798 BTC [+] | [16:17] |
Scrat | clowncar exchange running out of btc | [16:17] |
mircea_popescu | clowncar exchange lmao | [16:18] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [16:18] |
gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 143.81022, Best ask: 144.27039, Bid-ask spread: 0.46017, Last trade: 143.81021, 24 hour volume: 54609.74048310, 24 hour low: 128.89999, 24 hour high: 144.50000, 24 hour vwap: 137.43557 | [16:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1 @ 0.00118 BTC [-] | [16:18] |
ThickAsThieves | we're rich! | [16:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 838 @ 0.00087394 = 0.7324 BTC [+] | [16:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4212 @ 0.00087396 = 3.6811 BTC [+] | [16:18] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves speak for yourself fatcat. i'm poverty stricken in my poverty strike. | [16:18] |
ThickAsThieves | shoulda used gox | [16:19] |
LorenzoMoney | Oh a confession | [16:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00087396 = 5.069 BTC [+] | [16:20] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0247 BTC [-] | [16:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 0.19 BTC [+] | [16:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 540 @ 0.003694 = 1.9948 BTC [-] | [16:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024 = 0.048 BTC [-] | [16:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.024 = 0.048 BTC [-] | [16:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.024 BTC [-] | [16:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02399 BTC [-] | [16:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02398 = 0.1199 BTC [-] | [16:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.02397 = 0.3116 BTC [-] | [16:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 16 @ 0.02396 = 0.3834 BTC [-] | [16:30] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 2.45 = 4.9 BTC [-] | [16:38] |
mircea_popescu | there should be a meme thing, "hey yo, we know you're poor so we put some poverty in your poverty so you can be poor while you're poor" | [16:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 10 @ 0.01591 = 0.1591 BTC [+] | [16:39] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 136 @ 0.004155 = 0.5651 BTC [+] | [16:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 198 @ 0.004152 = 0.8221 BTC [-] | [16:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 392 @ 0.004151 = 1.6272 BTC [-] | [16:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 274 @ 0.004151 = 1.1374 BTC [-] | [16:39] |
kakobrekla | id put some poverty in my poverty but im all out | [16:40] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [16:40] |
kakobrekla | so porr. | [16:40] |
kakobrekla | poor | [16:40] |
mircea_popescu | watch that porr means sexy in slovenian or some shit | [16:40] |
kakobrekla | it just might | [16:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.514 BTC [-] | [16:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 17 @ 0.004156 = 0.0707 BTC [+] | [16:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 136 @ 0.004155 = 0.5651 BTC [-] | [16:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 31 @ 0.004152 = 0.1287 BTC [-] | [16:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 126 @ 0.004151 = 0.523 BTC [-] | [16:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 690 @ 0.004102 = 2.8304 BTC [-] | [16:43] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves anyway, wasn't btcgarden fully refunded ? | [16:45] |
dexX7 | ipo price + fees | [16:45] |
mircea_popescu | so consequently it can't count in our discussion. | [16:45] |
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dexX7 | what's the topic? | [16:46] |
dexX7 | "how are scams on btct done?" | [16:47] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 40 @ 0.165 = 6.6 BTC [-] | [16:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.514 BTC [-] | [16:50] |
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mircea_popescu | something like that | [16:52] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/bet/467/usd-btc-exchange-rate-to-top-125-at-23-45/ | [16:54] |
mircea_popescu | i guess this is pretty lulzy in retrospect. | [16:54] |
ozbot | BitBet - USD/BTC exchange rate to top $125 at 23:45 September 16, 2013 | [16:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.513 BTC [-] | [16:54] |
gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 143.02837, Best ask: 143.44000, Bid-ask spread: 0.41163, Last trade: 143.44000, 24 hour volume: 55193.90154691, 24 hour low: 128.89999, 24 hour high: 144.50000, 24 hour vwap: 137.57729 | [16:54] |
Scrat | "good goy, now spend more of your shekels on my exchange" | [16:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 2 @ 0.004392 = 0.0088 BTC [+] | [16:56] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=284138.0 | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | kickass title. | [16:59] |
ozbot | Lawsuite against BFL | [16:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4108 @ 0.00087396 = 3.5902 BTC [+] | [16:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4392 @ 0.00087455 = 3.841 BTC [+] | [16:59] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 400 @ 0.004384 = 1.7536 BTC [-] | [17:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 2.53 = 10.12 BTC [+] | [17:02] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [17:06] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard. | [17:06] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013 | [17:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2 @ 0.0249 = 0.0498 BTC [-] | [17:10] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 158 @ 0.0033 = 0.5214 BTC [+] | [17:11] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 600 @ 0.0032 = 1.92 BTC [+] | [17:14] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 938 @ 0.01591 = 14.9236 BTC [+] | [17:18] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003693 = 0.0739 BTC [-] | [17:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 227 @ 0.003694 = 0.8385 BTC [+] | [17:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.003698 = 7.396 BTC [+] | [17:20] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.00373 = 0.1865 BTC [+] | [17:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 31 @ 0.003737 = 0.1158 BTC [+] | [17:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 87 @ 0.00333 = 0.2897 BTC [+] | [17:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 100 @ 0.00334 = 0.334 BTC [+] | [17:24] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 457 @ 0.00335 = 1.531 BTC [+] | [17:25] |
ThickAsThieves | [17:28] | |
ThickAsThieves | it was like 25k btc | [17:28] |
ThickAsThieves | and it sold out | [17:28] |
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ThickAsThieves | odd that i'm one of the few people wondering where the hell that much coin came from | [17:29] |
ThickAsThieves | for an IPO with barely any press and no real history | [17:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.53 BTC [+] | [17:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 256 @ 0.003737 = 0.9567 BTC [+] | [17:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2000 @ 0.003739 = 7.478 BTC [+] | [17:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 15 @ 0.003774 = 0.0566 BTC [+] | [17:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 279 @ 0.003774 = 1.0529 BTC [+] | [17:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 115 @ 0.00329 = 0.3784 BTC [-] | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | you have to admit the "we made it up" is by far the simpler explanation | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | occam razor and all that. | [17:32] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 450 @ 0.0033 = 1.485 BTC [+] | [17:33] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.55 BTC [+] | [17:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 3 @ 0.004199 = 0.0126 BTC [-] | [17:36] |
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mircea_popescu | pankkake lol what forums didja get banned on? | [17:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.53 = 12.65 BTC [-] | [17:42] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.00999 = 0.1998 BTC [-] | [17:48] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BFMINES] 5 @ 0.0025 = 0.0125 BTC [+] | [17:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.004303 = 1.0758 BTC [+] | [17:58] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003755 = 0.0751 BTC [-] | [18:00] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003653 = 0.0731 BTC [-] | [18:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003653 = 0.2922 BTC [-] | [18:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 250 @ 0.003772 = 0.943 BTC [+] | [18:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 33 @ 0.003772 = 0.1245 BTC [+] | [18:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.003772 = 0.7544 BTC [+] | [18:04] |
dexX7 | well btc-garden has some history in china and was probably only unknown to us westeners | [18:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 17 @ 0.003772 = 0.0641 BTC [+] | [18:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 206 @ 0.003772 = 0.777 BTC [+] | [18:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 24 @ 0.003774 = 0.0906 BTC [+] | [18:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.004301 = 0.2151 BTC [-] | [18:06] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.004302 = 0.2151 BTC [+] | [18:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 150 @ 0.004305 = 0.6458 BTC [+] | [18:08] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 488 @ 0.0033 = 1.6104 BTC [+] | [18:08] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 1 @ 0.00319 BTC [-] | [18:09] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 189 @ 0.003772 = 0.7129 BTC [-] | [18:10] |
pankkake | mircea_popescu: mostly French forums (one multiple times). I remember blogs (last one was Adria Richards, even banned me from reading), what.cd | [18:11] |
kakobrekla | what did you do on what? | [18:11] |
mircea_popescu | lmao what! what'd you do to the richards character | [18:11] |
pankkake | piss off people? | [18:12] |
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kakobrekla | hehe | [18:12] |
pankkake | I wrote that her actions were actually discouraging women to get info the profession | [18:12] |
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pankkake | it wasn't even harsh | [18:12] |
mircea_popescu | dexX7 not quite. | [18:12] |
kakobrekla | pankkake you seem to be a natural | [18:12] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake well yeah, the sane criticisms are the worst from what i see. | [18:12] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, where is that thing | [18:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00087255 = 3.7956 BTC [-] | [18:13] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google trolling something awful competition | [18:13] |
gribble | The Trolling Something Awful competition pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.53 = 5.06 BTC [-] | [18:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02463 = 0.1232 BTC [+] | [18:14] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00087255 = 3.7956 BTC [-] | [18:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00087075 = 6.5306 BTC [-] | [18:16] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5535 @ 0.00086953 = 4.8128 BTC [-] | [18:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.02479 = 0.1983 BTC [-] | [18:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.0248 = 0.4464 BTC [+] | [18:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.024959 = 0.599 BTC [+] | [18:17] |
pankkake | ok actually my comment was harsh | [18:18] |
pankkake | The only thing to retain from this article: don’t talk at a tech conference if there is a woman nearby. | [18:18] |
pankkake | Now, will this help women get into tech? Of course not, they will feel shunned. I’d like to have more women there, but batshit insane feminists will not allow it. | [18:19] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.189 BTC [-] | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | lol okay then | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | the problem is not batshit insane feminists. the problem is there's a group of morons, adria richards being a fine example, sandra sharp being anothjer fine example | [18:24] |
pankkake | well the problem is the people who listen, they're larger | [18:24] |
mircea_popescu | who KNOW they dion't belong there, and KNOW that actual competent women a) would make them look bad and b) aren't likely to bother arguing politics with them | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | and so they make this desperate ploy essentially union-like in its nature | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | to carve themselves a little territory that may be defended on any other grounds but intellectual ability and professional competence | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | such as, cunt. that'd be good. | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | the same shit is going on in the states with the race politics thing, there's some incompetent niggers whio would like to exclude competent black people from jobs | [18:26] |
mircea_popescu | like, you know, the low effort high pay ones such as state senator. | [18:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 370 @ 0.0002261 = 0.0837 BTC [-] | [18:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 398 @ 0.0002102 = 0.0837 BTC [-] | [18:27] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 602 @ 0.00021002 = 0.1264 BTC [-] | [18:27] |
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KRS1 | thats why a nigga like me always be on my grind, im just a squirrel in this world tryin to get a nut...ya feel me. | [18:29] |
kakobrekla | looking for nuts? theres plenty on teh forums. | [18:30] |
mircea_popescu | i don't, i'm jus' guessin' | [18:30] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 100 @ 0.000801 = 0.0801 BTC [-] | [18:35] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 50 @ 0.0008 = 0.04 BTC [-] | [18:39] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003771 = 0.0754 BTC [-] | [18:40] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 91 @ 0.003774 = 0.3434 BTC [+] | [18:41] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.004199 = 1.0498 BTC [-] | [18:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.0042 = 1.05 BTC [+] | [18:43] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 161 @ 0.003774 = 0.6076 BTC [+] | [18:44] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 83 @ 0.00378 = 0.3137 BTC [+] | [18:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 6 @ 0.003783 = 0.0227 BTC [+] | [18:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 18 @ 0.09805 = 1.7649 BTC [-] | [18:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 46 @ 0.09804 = 4.5098 BTC [-] | [18:47] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 25 @ 0.09802 = 2.4505 BTC [-] | [18:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 10 @ 0.09801 = 0.9801 BTC [-] | [18:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 25 @ 0.09802 = 2.4505 BTC [+] | [18:48] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 148 @ 0.002671 = 0.3953 BTC [+] | [18:50] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 225 @ 0.002672 = 0.6012 BTC [+] | [18:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 20 @ 0.002674 = 0.0535 BTC [+] | [18:52] |
ThickAsThieves | corporate espionage! http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/31/4679260/htc-top-designers-reportedly-in-custody-after-stealing-trade-secrets | [18:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 20 @ 0.00275 = 0.055 BTC [+] | [18:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 4 @ 0.1986 = 0.7944 BTC [-] | [18:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 5 @ 0.00285 = 0.0143 BTC [+] | [18:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 5 @ 0.002999 = 0.015 BTC [+] | [19:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.002999 BTC [+] | [19:00] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.2885 BTC [+] | [19:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.003374 BTC [+] | [19:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 5 @ 0.003 = 0.015 BTC [+] | [19:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.003374 = 0.0067 BTC [+] | [19:03] |
mircea_popescu | heh | [19:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 365 @ 0.00086953 = 0.3174 BTC [-] | [19:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00086838 = 1.9973 BTC [-] | [19:04] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 1 @ 0.003199 BTC [+] | [19:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 10 @ 0.0032 = 0.032 BTC [+] | [19:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 100 @ 0.00324 = 0.324 BTC [+] | [19:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 138 @ 0.00325 = 0.4485 BTC [+] | [19:09] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 473 @ 0.001778 = 0.841 BTC [+] | [19:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 10 @ 0.001779 = 0.0178 BTC [+] | [19:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 1000 @ 0.001791 = 1.791 BTC [+] | [19:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 1011 @ 0.001795 = 1.8147 BTC [+] | [19:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 60 @ 0.001797 = 0.1078 BTC [+] | [19:10] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 446 @ 0.001799 = 0.8024 BTC [+] | [19:10] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [19:11] |
gribble | MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 144.22001, Best ask: 144.99995, Bid-ask spread: 0.77994, Last trade: 144.21010, 24 hour volume: 29882.59233501, 24 hour low: 134.36270, 24 hour high: 146.01616, 24 hour vwap: 139.63425 | [19:11] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 5 @ 0.2978 = 1.489 BTC [+] | [19:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00262 = 0.0052 BTC [-] | [19:21] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.189 BTC [-] | [19:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00086744 = 5.0312 BTC [-] | [19:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 99 @ 0.003781 = 0.3743 BTC [-] | [19:27] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 2.5 BTC [+] | [19:35] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 103 @ 0.003781 = 0.3894 BTC [-] | [19:36] |
FabianB | $avg | [19:38] |
mpexbot | FabianB: 132.94 | [19:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 66 @ 0.004199 = 0.2771 BTC [-] | [19:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 24 @ 0.003783 = 0.0908 BTC [+] | [19:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003783 = 0.3783 BTC [+] | [19:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35 @ 0.00086766 = 0.0304 BTC [+] | [19:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9979 @ 0.00087132 = 8.6949 BTC [+] | [19:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003798 = 0.3798 BTC [+] | [19:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.525 BTC [-] | [19:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CB.IDIFF-O] 50 @ 0.009899 = 0.495 BTC [+] | [19:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.003374 BTC [+] | [19:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003798 = 0.076 BTC [+] | [19:51] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 568 @ 0.003696 = 2.0993 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 694 @ 0.003694 = 2.5636 BTC [-] | [20:00] |
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fractal | any news on this bet? http://bitbet.us/bet/520/bitfury-eu-august-orders-will-ship-before-1st/ | [20:05] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 12 @ 0.003796 = 0.0456 BTC [+] | [20:05] |
fractal | is the resolution exactly 7 hours away? | [20:06] |
mircea_popescu | it's not gonna happen until after that cuttof. | [20:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 19 @ 0.003796 = 0.0721 BTC [+] | [20:14] |
fractal | ok thanks. how long does the usual process take? | [20:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 27 @ 0.003796 = 0.1025 BTC [+] | [20:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 80 @ 0.003798 = 0.3038 BTC [+] | [20:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003798 = 0.3798 BTC [+] | [20:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 53 @ 0.003799 = 0.2013 BTC [+] | [20:15] |
mircea_popescu | i don't know it's ever been more than a day or two | [20:16] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.02459 = 0.2213 BTC [-] | [20:16] |
fractal | punin: "We also found a noticeable voltage drop on the IOVDD chain when all 16 cards are plugged in (down to 1V66 from 1V8). This will get fixed (hopefully) in next revision on M-boards, that is already in production. This should help lower the errors and noise on Bus D." looks like their 400Gh units are underperforming on hashrate... | [20:16] |
fractal | ok... so if people post to the forums who receive orders tomorrow, those wouldn't be included in the bet timeframe, right? | [20:17] |
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mircea_popescu | right. | [20:19] |
fractal | ok... and in which timezone is the cutoff? | [20:20] |
fractal | ;) | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | what;'s the bet say anyway, by sept 1st ? on sept 1st ? | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | before 1st. so midnight gmt | [20:20] |
fractal | sept 1 happens 24 times in different timezones | [20:20] |
fractal | gmt ok thanks | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/faq/#17 | [20:21] |
ozbot | FAQ BitBet | [20:21] |
fractal | ah didnt see that. ok. thanks | [20:21] |
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bobbabad | 3600 coins released a day, current hash rate is 700TH, that means 1TH of mining power should generate me 3600/700= ~ 5 coins a day? | [20:24] |
Scrat | more like 4100 released per day at this rate | [20:25] |
Scrat | but anyway | [20:25] |
Scrat | all variables are changing | [20:25] |
bobbabad | sure, cool | [20:25] |
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B0g4r7 | B0g4r7_ beetlebee BigBitz BitOTTer560 bloctoc bobbabad Bunnyh | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | bobbabad : | [20:26] |
Graet | ;;genrate 1000000 | [20:26] |
gribble | The expected generation output, at 1000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 65750060.1491, is 7.64876131353 BTC per day and 0.318698388064 BTC per hour. | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | ;;genrate 1000000 | [20:26] |
gribble | The expected generation output, at 1000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 65750060.1491, is 7.64876131353 BTC per day and 0.318698388064 BTC per hour. | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | doh | [20:26] |
Graet | ^5 | [20:26] |
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bobbabad | cool, thanks | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | whether 1th is 1000000 mhps or 1024**2 mhps is a discussion best left for another day :D | [20:28] |
bobbabad | anyone know the details about bitfurys mining pool? https://ghash.io/ they have gone from nothing to supposedly 125TH is very short time | [20:29] |
bobbabad | *in | [20:29] |
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FabianB | http://blockchain.info/pools doesn't seem to know them | [20:30] |
ozbot | Bitcoin Hashrate Distribution - Blockchain.info | [20:30] |
bobbabad | the blue "unkown" slice matches fairly close to their share of ~18% | [20:34] |
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mircea_popescu | that's what happens when actual chips get delivered. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | you know, as opposed to labcoin, picostocks and all the rest of the scams. | [20:37] |
bobbabad | actually, I think that is picostocks 100TH mine | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | yea, but that's because your brain don't work so well. | [20:39] |
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bobbabad | haha | [20:40] |
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bobbabad | seems to just be a private pool of bitfury gear owners | [20:44] |
BigBitz | ... /apparently/ ... | [20:44] |
mircea_popescu | har har. | [20:44] |
Graet | please DO NOT look at blockchain.info for pool stats | [20:46] |
Graet | they suck really badly | [20:46] |
bobbabad | where is better? | [20:46] |
Graet | http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/top.php makes an effort to be accurate | [20:46] |
Graet | there is even a posat in the mining subforum pointing out they suck | [20:47] |
bobbabad | nice | [20:47] |
Graet | post* | [20:47] |
mircea_popescu | Graet does am mine all on their private pool or do they still distribute ? | [20:47] |
Graet | all on their own | [20:47] |
bobbabad | did I read somwhere AM is hoping to have 1000TH online by end of year? | [20:49] |
mircea_popescu | 7%, not doing so hot. | [20:49] |
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jorash | For those following conversation re the quantum miner I've been espousing and raising capita for, here is the latest indepedent assesment. From lead at the Quantum Information Science Group, MITRE Corp: "I follow the logic of your claim but am not familiar enough with the papers you reference to properly say whether or not I agree. However, I do understand your interest in applying QEC | [20:56] |
jorash | [quantum error correction] only once and I think that my work has something to contribute in that respect." | [20:56] |
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jurov | dear jorash, why sha256 can't be just computed directly? i just don't get this quantum emulation detour | [21:03] |
jurov | like if you wanted to execute lisp by emulating whole lisp machine | [21:04] |
jurov | but exponentially worse | [21:04] |
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jurov | and that is besides how the science works that you'd first prove that P=BQP and *then* set on to build btc miner special case | [21:07] |
jurov | not the other way around | [21:07] |
jorash | The only hard proof is implemented software | [21:07] |
jurov | lmao | [21:07] |
jorash | There are a number of P = NP proofs, none widely accepted. The math must perform | [21:08] |
jurov | you know how maffs wokr? | [21:08] |
jurov | oh, such as? | [21:08] |
jorash | The particularity of this claim is that classical computers can efficiently simulate arbitrary quantum systems. If that's the proof, then execute on it. That is the academic mind set and I agree | [21:08] |
jorash | http://arxiv.org/abs/1205.6658 | [21:09] |
ozbot | [1205.6658] From classical versus quantum algorithms to P versus NP | [21:09] |
jorash | sha256 is 'computeed directly', and that is why it's currently only broken in linear time (ie. isn't broken at all, just brute forced quickly) | [21:09] |
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jorash | quantum simulation (in P) is the only means of getting sublinear search times | [21:10] |
jorash | only obvious method at least | [21:10] |
jorash | The proof of concept is Gottesman Knill circuits (Clifford + Stabilizer) which are highly entangled, yet run in classical P time (actually Parity L class) | [21:11] |
jorash | These circuits have been implemented https://github.com/marcusps/GraphSim But they are sub-universal. In order to make them universal you need a 'non-Clifford' gate to add to the Gottesman-Knill circuit. Which normally incurs expoenntial slow down in your classical simulation cost. However this cost can be avoided if you apply enough noise to make the circuit efficent, and only apply | [21:12] |
jorash | quantum EC once at the end of computation (instead of throughout) -- which is what the quoted researcher is saying is probably well suited | [21:12] |
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jorash!*@* | added to ignore list. | [21:14] |
jurov | i'm not familiar with this area, but you still did not say why you have to prove it using sha256(sha256()) | [21:15] |
jurov | and not anything simpler at first | [21:15] |
fractal | jorash is a l33t pwny. listen to his wis3 w0rds | [21:16] |
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mircea_popescu | fractal you getting the same 10cent word impression i do ? | [21:17] |
jurov | and why it does have such a budget? just get some bright phd to do it | [21:17] |
jborkl | Jezzz JimmyHo3 joesmoe joeykrim johnnyfootball jorash jordandotdev jurov | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | lol jurov being the master of outsurcing hard labour >D | [21:17] |
fractal | the NSA spends $11B a year on cryptanalysis... they likely have some quantum computers | [21:18] |
jurov | but you assert all the pieces are there | [21:19] |
jurov | oh Vit does maffs? | [21:21] |
jurov | so you do have the emulator already? | [21:22] |
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jurov | hm, so based on the P=NP paper you gave me you basically say it's possible to extend things like primality test | [21:29] |
jurov | to any computational problem? | [21:29] |
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jurov | well, that's beyond my grasp again | [21:31] |
jurov | you should try to explain it without throwing so many tech terms, sorry | [21:32] |
jurov | Later, in 1977, Robert Solovay and Volker Strassen [6] found that the problem of integer primality, at this time out of reach of tractable deterministic algorithms, was settled by randomization. It should be noticed that the deep reason of this improbable efficiency remained basically unknown. | [21:32] |
jurov | ^ I had this at uni and was amazed how easy is to prove something is a prime | [21:33] |
jurov | so you should explain it at least on this level | [21:33] |
jurov | that thesis doen't say anything about polynomial computability | [21:35] |
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seangeng | does anyone know of a way to get live trade feeds for bitfunder? | [21:37] |
jurov | seangeng: there's not yet released api.. so it's possible only at #bitfunder atm | [21:38] |
seangeng | hmmm, thanks | [21:38] |
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dexX7 | seangeng: you can use coinflow's api: http://coinflow.co/json/BF/G.ASICMINER-PT which uses the irc bot as data input afaik | [21:45] |
pankkake | http://youtu.be/j2mdYX1nF_Y | [21:45] |
ozbot | Milton Friedman, Land value tax and internet currencies - YouTube | [21:45] |
seangeng_ | I'm attempting to retrieve the live trades occuring to display as a feed on my site: http://kryptotrader.com | [21:46] |
pankkake | land value tax has many issues though | [21:46] |
seangeng_ | the coinflow api just displays trade data for individual securities | [21:47] |
seangeng_ | but i'm looking for the whole market | [21:47] |
pankkake | bitfunder has no API at all?! | [21:47] |
jurov | pankkake, it will be public in 2 weeks | [21:48] |
seangeng_ | so they say | [21:48] |
pankkake | ah | [21:48] |
seangeng_ | but it's been in development for a while | [21:48] |
pankkake | BFL 2 weeks or seriously? | [21:48] |
jurov | so far it was bfl 2 weeks | [21:48] |
seangeng_ | yep... | [21:48] |
seangeng_ | i can set up a script to capture the output of assetbot on #bitfunder | [21:48] |
jurov | ..when the bot is online | [21:49] |
seangeng_ | but I'm on the channel over there now and it hasnt been outputing anything | [21:49] |
seangeng_ | yep... | [21:49] |
pankkake | well I am involved into a library that makes APIs out of websites that do not have APIs (among other features, it also unifies APIs). it's actually interesting for me if I can provide more value than I thought | [21:49] |
seangeng_ | really? that's actually awesome | [21:49] |
pankkake | yeah it is. mostly centered around French websites for now | [21:50] |
jurov | there *is* some alpha socket interface for updating the market data in realtime | [21:50] |
jurov | but it's not clear whether you can hook all assets at once | [21:50] |
seangeng_ | coinflow seems to achieve it in their live trade output | [21:50] |
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seangeng_ | but i have no idea how they are doing it | [21:50] |
pankkake | isn't it taking the data from assbot? | [21:51] |
seangeng_ | on here? | [21:51] |
seangeng_ | this assbot doesnt output bitfunder data | [21:51] |
pankkake | oh. maybe he does the same thing, watching #bitfunder? | [21:57] |
dexX7 | seangeng_: i assume he uses #bitfunder. there is also http://coinflow.co/livetrades/ ... i think there is a json output somewhere, though i don't know where and if at all. maybe you are able to use the datastream used in /livetrades/ directly | [21:57] |
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kakobrekla | yeah prolly pankkake | [22:02] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4 @ 0.000238 = 0.001 BTC [+] | [22:03] |
seangeng_ | looks like #bitfunder 's assetbot is outputing data now | [22:04] |
seangeng_ | i'll see if i can write something that captures it's output | [22:04] |
kakobrekla | why are you doing the same thing again when its stupid way to do it for the first time around | [22:04] |
kakobrekla | ah well | [22:04] |
pankkake | because there's no better way? :) | [22:04] |
kakobrekla | i has socket | [22:05] |
tyrion70 | use the websocket maybe? | [22:05] |
dexX7 | websocket from where? | [22:07] |
tyrion70 | from the site? | [22:08] |
FabianB_ | all but bf | [22:08] |
dexX7 | coinflow or bf? | [22:08] |
tyrion70 | bf | [22:09] |
dexX7 | didn't know they provide one | [22:09] |
tyrion70 | that's how the site works.. | [22:10] |
Anduck | ooo | [22:10] |
seangeng_ | i messaged ukyo to ask him | [22:10] |
Anduck | mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.msg3051503#msg3051503 | [22:10] |
mircea_popescu | can i has summary ? | [22:10] |
Anduck | check the link | [22:11] |
Anduck | a delivered 400gh unit | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | ahaha working better without fans! | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | golden | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | hey, buttcoin ppl : pls to include in your next update ty. | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | Anduck it does 499 gh actually ? | [22:12] |
Anduck | 400gh and 25gh unit together does that i think | [22:12] |
Anduck | and that in total draws less than 400 watts | [22:12] |
mircea_popescu | I'm still tweaking my units manually. I'd say 380GH from 16 H-boards is possible. | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003701 = 0.074 BTC [+] | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | aj | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 200 @ 0.0037 = 0.74 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
Anduck | yeah | [22:13] |
Anduck | what about that? | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 238 @ 0.003698 = 0.8801 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 306 @ 0.003694 = 1.1304 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003692 = 0.3692 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 800 @ 0.003691 = 2.9528 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.00369 = 0.369 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.003689 = 0.1845 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 500 @ 0.003688 = 1.844 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 567 @ 0.003688 = 2.0911 BTC [-] | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.msg3050985#msg3050985 | [22:14] |
mircea_popescu | that shit's golden. | [22:14] |
ozbot | [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe | [22:14] |
Anduck | yup | [22:14] |
Anduck | but i must again say: he ordered 400gh unit and 25gh unit and got both, both performing as advertised (except he got extra hardware for that) | [22:15] |
fractal | so, that basically proves that the 400GH unit missed specs. | [22:15] |
fractal | - 365GH vs. 60GH. | [22:15] |
Anduck | just trying to push the bet wording once again so there's _no_ misunderstanding | [22:15] |
fractal | 400Gh unit did not perform as advertised | [22:15] |
Anduck | that's not the full 400 gh unit in the pic, it's a full m-board with 16 h-cards. | [22:15] |
Anduck | lol | [22:15] |
fractal | which is what was advertised as a '400Gh' unit, according to the website | [22:16] |
Anduck | the 400gh unit he bought is splitted in 2 m-boards, 20 h-cards | [22:16] |
fractal | nope | [22:16] |
Anduck | yeah they didn't meet hardware specs, true | [22:16] |
Anduck | but the bet was about the delivered unit. think about BFL | [22:16] |
fractal | they didn't meet hardware specs because the hardware underperformed -- and that is what the bet is about. | [22:16] |
mircea_popescu | lol hello you two. | [22:17] |
Anduck | BFL says they will deliver a 5gh hashing unit which eats X amount of watts. they deliver a bigger sized 5gh hashing unit that eats X amount of watts. customer got the advertised performance | [22:17] |
Anduck | but if BFL says they deliver 5gh hashing unit that eats X amount of watts and delivers same sized unit that eats X+10 watts, they haven't met the advertised performance | [22:17] |
Anduck | BFL was just used here as an example of an asic supplier | [22:18] |
fractal | http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ -- 400Gh unit -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- the hardware did not perform as advertised. | [22:18] |
Anduck | it was about the W/GH as the brackets say | [22:18] |
Anduck | :I | [22:18] |
fractal | http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ -- 400Gh unit -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- the hardware did not perform as advertised. The bet clearly states that the hardware must perform as advertised. All conditions of the bet were not met. Therefore the bet is a NO. | [22:18] |
Anduck | not about amount of hardware needed for the unit. it as about the _performance_ | [22:18] |
fractal | Thats not what the bet says | [22:18] |
fractal | and the only thing that matters is what the bet says | [22:19] |
fractal | bitbet.us has to go by the WORDing of the BET. not by what else 'it could mean' | [22:19] |
Anduck | the bet says people who order 400 gh will get 400 gh and it will perform as promised!!!! | [22:19] |
fractal | no, it doesn't | [22:19] |
Anduck | but that's what the bet says? | [22:19] |
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Anduck | they failed to meet the LOOK and AMOUNT of hardware but NOT the PERFORMANCE | [22:20] |
Anduck | and the bet was about PERFORMANCE | [22:20] |
fractal | and it failed on performance. | [22:20] |
Anduck | how the fuck it failed on performance if it eats less than 1 W/GH as promised??? | [22:20] |
fractal | -- 400Gh unit -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- the hardware did not perform as advertised. | [22:20] |
Anduck | yeah that's where they describe the hardware the unit includes | [22:21] |
Anduck | and they failed that part since they had to add more hardware for the unit | [22:21] |
Anduck | but they STILL did NOT fail the PERFORMANCE | [22:21] |
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fractal | There are 2 performance metrics -- hashrate, and wattage-- to meet performance the hashrate must be higher then advertised, and the wattage must be lower. The hashrate missed targets. | [22:21] |
fractal | Anduck: sorry, but thats not what the bet says. | [22:21] |
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Anduck | but people got the hashrate they ordered? | [22:21] |
Anduck | how did they miss that target? | [22:21] |
fractal | Anduck: thats not what the bet says. | [22:21] |
Anduck | but it says that the people must get the hashrate they ordered. and it must eat the <1 w/GH power. and that promise is kept. | [22:22] |
Anduck | there's nothing unclear in this | [22:22] |
fractal | Anduck: no, the bet doesn't say that. | [22:22] |
Anduck | i don't understand why you all the time come up with that they had to add more h-cards for the unit.. :/ they failed that but it's got nothing to do with the performance of the unit! | [22:23] |
Anduck | the brackets in the bet describe what the "advertised performance" means | [22:23] |
fractal | Anduck: the 400Gh unit --as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- failed to meet hashrate performance targets. | [22:23] |
fractal | it says 'As advertised' | [22:23] |
Anduck | ._. there's no point in this since even now you understand you're wrong - you still keep on pushing that | [22:24] |
Anduck | they promised that when one buys 400gh unit, they get 400 gigahash of hashing power and it eats less than 400 watts of power. | [22:24] |
fractal | Again, I'm only going by what the bet actually says -- Thats why I bet NO. because I didn't think their 400Gh unit as advertised would meet targets -- and they'd have to refund (or ship more hardware) to make up for their mistakes and underperformance. | [22:24] |
fractal | Anduck: thats irrelevant to what the bet says. | [22:25] |
fractal | Again, i'm only going by what the bet says | [22:25] |
fractal | the 400Gh UNIT only does 360Gh | [22:25] |
Anduck | you must understand here that unit, when talking about 25gh unit or 400 gh unit is built from m-boards and h-boards | [22:25] |
fractal | I understand very well | [22:26] |
Anduck | what do you think 25gh unit is? | [22:26] |
fractal | the 400Gh unit --as advertised -- is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- | [22:26] |
Anduck | stop pasting that lol | [22:26] |
tyrion70 | here we go again.. | [22:26] |
Anduck | you can refer to it without pasting it all the time :D | [22:26] |
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tyrion70 | >> #annoyingbetdiscussions :p | [22:27] |
fractal | A 25 gh unit was advertised as a single H-card. -- I'm pasting it all the time because you don't seem to realize that the bet says hardware device/uni AS ADVERTISED' -- i'm only going by the bet language | [22:27] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.482 BTC [-] | [22:28] |
Anduck | yeah 25gh unit was advertised as a single h-card. but it took 2 h-cards to make the unit., | [22:28] |
Anduck | understand? | [22:28] |
Anduck | they failed _hardware amount promise_ | [22:28] |
Anduck | the 25gh unit still _performs_ (promised hashrate at promised watts usage) as promised | [22:28] |
Anduck | understand???? | [22:29] |
pankkake | I bet ~0.10 BTC on this. If I give it to you both, will you shut up? :) | [22:29] |
fractal | No, thats not what the bet says.... Maybe you can strech the argument for the 25Gh card by saying its modular (even though i disagree because AS ADVERTISED it was 1 card), but you certianly can't for the 400Gh unit | [22:29] |
tyrion70 | ^what pankkake says | [22:29] |
tyrion70 | :p | [22:30] |
pankkake | anyway, it likely won't change the mind of whoever decides the outcome of the bet | [22:30] |
Anduck | yup | [22:31] |
fractal | yup | [22:31] |
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tyrion70 | 1 day right and you know what its going to be? | [22:32] |
fractal | I can only hope that most rational people will look at the bet langugage, and then look and see that the 400Gh unit --as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- missed performance targets, and that the not all conditions of the bet were met. | [22:33] |
Anduck | btw fractal | [22:34] |
pankkake | bets can be voided, too… | [22:36] |
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fractal | If the bet was voided, I would not mind as I do feel badly for Anduck -- he wrote the bet wrongly to what he meant. I have a conscience. | [22:37] |
fractal | But, according to the language, the bet is a NO. That doesn't change the fact that I think Bitfury is awesome and did a great job. | [22:37] |
fractal | it suppose it could be argued the language made the bet a 'Bad bet' according to the FAQ... | [22:39] |
tyrion70 | this was obviously an unexpected outcome and not covered in the bet language.. | [22:39] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02435 = 0.0974 BTC [+] | [22:40] |
Anduck | well | [22:40] |
Anduck | as unit i meant the 400 gh package of mining gear | [22:42] |
Anduck | the bfsb.com shop says that 400 gh unit is 16-h boards in 1 m-board | [22:42] |
fractal | Yea, but you didn't explicitly state that -- and people reading the bet went on the bitfurystrikesback website, and saw that a UNIT was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- what do you say to those people??? | [22:43] |
Anduck | but people got 18-20 h-boards + 2 m-boards as the 400gh unit | [22:43] |
tyrion70 | where is this bet actually? | [22:43] |
fractal | Thats not what was advertised, and contrary to the bet langugae | [22:43] |
Anduck | the bet was about advertised performance | [22:44] |
Anduck | at bfsb it says: | [22:44] |
Anduck | Performance: | [22:44] |
Anduck | 400GHash/s | [22:44] |
Anduck | Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU) | [22:44] |
Anduck | and that promise is met | [22:44] |
tyrion70 | where is the bet located? | [22:44] |
fractal | http://bitbet.us/bet/520/bitfury-eu-august-orders-will-ship-before-1st/ | [22:44] |
ozbot | BitBet - Bitfury EU August orders will ship before 1st September 2013 | [22:44] |
tyrion70 | weird search didn't have anything on bitfury.. | [22:44] |
fractal | thats not what the bet says -- it says 400Gh UNIT must be 400Gh, a unit is as advertised - '"1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [22:44] |
Anduck | there's no such thing as 400 gh device | [22:45] |
Anduck | since it's all modular | [22:45] |
Anduck | ... | [22:45] |
pankkake | infinite loop | [22:45] |
fractal | Not true | [22:45] |
Anduck | but it is true | [22:45] |
fractal | As per the website - a 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [22:45] |
Anduck | there's no such thing as 25 gh device since it's all modular | [22:45] |
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Anduck | no | [22:45] |
tyrion70 | so we are talking about this bet: | [22:45] |
fractal | yes | [22:45] |
tyrion70 | "Bitfurystrikesback.com (Bitfury EU reseller) will ship their 25 and 400 gigahash mining units before 1st of September 2013. Devices must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) in order to be accepted as valid. Atleast 5 deliveries confirmed by respected members of the community required." | [22:45] |
Anduck | it says 400gh KIT includes 1 master board and 16 h-boards | [22:45] |
Anduck | Tykling: yes | [22:45] |
Anduck | tyrion70 | [22:46] |
fractal | which means it missed performance on hashrate -- it is not 400Gh | [22:46] |
fractal | they had to ship more hardware to make up for missed performance | [22:46] |
Anduck | they had to add more hardware for the kit or unit or whatever you want to call it | [22:46] |
tyrion70 | That picture that was posted shortly .. | [22:46] |
tyrion70 | those were two " machines" right? | [22:46] |
tyrion70 | or "units" ? | [22:47] |
fractal | tyrion70: 2 seperate UNITS, yes. | [22:47] |
tyrion70 | one 400GH unit and one 25GH unit.. | [22:47] |
fractal | so single unit hit 400Gh. | [22:47] |
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fractal | tyrion70: http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ -- 400Gh unit -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- the hardware did not perform as advertised. The bet clearly states that the hardware must perform as advertised. All conditions of the bet were not met. | [22:47] |
Anduck | it says 400 gh kit includes 1 m-board and 16 h-boards | [22:47] |
Anduck | it doesn't talk about units there | [22:48] |
fractal | Thats not what the bet says. | [22:48] |
Anduck | when the bet says "unit" it means the 400gh kit | [22:48] |
tyrion70 | The bet doesn't mention anything on number of boards fractal.. | [22:48] |
fractal | Well, tahts too bad isn't it? because it SAYS UNIT!!!!!!!!!!! | [22:48] |
Anduck | there's no such thing as 400gh unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards | [22:48] |
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fractal | yes there is | [22:48] |
Anduck | but there is not | [22:48] |
Anduck | it's a fact that 1 m-board can hold up to 16 h-boards, but that doesn't make it a 400gh unit | [22:48] |
fractal | tyrion70: yes it does . the bet says 'as advertised' . the hardware is http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ -- 400Gh unit -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised | [22:49] |
Anduck | it was advertised that 400gh KIT includes a m-board + 16 h-boards.... nothing about "units" | [22:49] |
Anduck | it says PERFORMANCE as advertised | [22:49] |
tyrion70 | fractal: that link nor the content is included in the bet.. | [22:49] |
fractal | The advertised performance was 400Gh on ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"" | [22:49] |
Anduck | 400gh UNIT PERFORMANCE AS advertised | [22:49] |
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fractal | tyrion70: yes, it says bitfurystrikesback.com in the bet | [22:49] |
fractal | so, the advertised performance is from that site | [22:49] |
Anduck | the advertised performance from the site: | [22:50] |
Anduck | Performance: | [22:50] |
Anduck | 400GHash/s | [22:50] |
Anduck | Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU) | [22:50] |
tyrion70 | fractal, thats not the site, its the company.. | [22:50] |
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fractal | The advertised performance was 400Gh on ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips"" | [22:50] |
fractal | they failed to meet these performance targets | [22:50] |
Anduck | no, the unit advertised performance was 400gh and 1 m-board and 16 h-boards was the promised amount of modular cards that make the unit | [22:50] |
tyrion70 | fractal, would you agree that it would be weird that ppl who bet need to read another site? | [22:50] |
Anduck | but they failed the hardware amount | [22:50] |
Anduck | but the performance did not fail | [22:50] |
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Anduck | _and_ performance means that W/GH is as promised | [22:51] |
fractal | tyrion70: Weird or not -- Thats what the bet says -- Bitfurystrikesback.com (Bitfury EU reseller)" | [22:51] |
fractal | Anduck: Thats not what the bet says | [22:51] |
Anduck | the bet doesn't talk about h-cards performances, it talks about the whole unit performances | [22:51] |
Anduck | the whole unit works as promised | [22:51] |
Anduck | except it has more h-cards in it than promised | [22:52] |
fractal | And it missed performance for the unit, which is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [22:52] |
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fractal | which means the bet is a no, because all conditions of the bet were not met. | [22:52] |
Anduck | bfsb.com says that 400gh kit includes that amount of modular cards, yes | [22:52] |
FabianB_ | hmm.. i bet the bitfury argument loop will still last a few hours.. | [22:53] |
Anduck | and they failed that but the overall performance of the whole 400gh unit/kit is as advertised | [22:53] |
Anduck | yup | [22:53] |
fractal | And since the hardware didn't perform as advertised -- the bet is a no. | [22:53] |
Anduck | the unit does, they didn't advertise that h-card must perform 25gh | [22:53] |
fractal | Anduck: Unforunately, thats not what the bet says. | [22:53] |
Anduck | the bet is about units, not the modular h-cards or m-cards | [22:53] |
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tyrion70 | fractal: the bet doesn't say "as advertised on the website www.blabla" .. the bet specifies the exact conditions itself.. without a need to read some website.. | [22:54] |
pankkake | well they can still argue after the bet is resolved | [22:54] |
fractal | And the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- did not meet performance targets | [22:54] |
Anduck | the bet says: 25gh unit and 400gh unit must meet the advertised performance. they promise 400gh at 400W for the 400gh unit at bfsb.com. that is met. what's so weird about this? | [22:54] |
tyrion70 | what if bitfury changed the site while the bet was running??? | [22:54] |
Anduck | yeah that too | [22:54] |
fractal | tyrion70: it says as advertised . Unfortunately, that is where it was advertised. | [22:54] |
fractal | Then 'as advertised' would make it a bad bet... and it wouldn't have been accepted. | [22:54] |
tyrion70 | it says: | [22:54] |
tyrion70 | Devices must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) in order to be accepted as valid. | [22:54] |
Anduck | yeah | [22:55] |
fractal | tyrion70: yes. And the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- did not meet performance targets | [22:55] |
tyrion70 | so the actual bet value is references within parenthesis.. | [22:55] |
Anduck | tyrion70: what do you mean? | [22:55] |
Anduck | oh | [22:55] |
Anduck | yes | [22:55] |
tyrion70 | I believe in general that a valid bet MUST contain all information needed.. | [22:55] |
tyrion70 | in this case the bet was for performance.. which was included in parenthesis.. | [22:56] |
Anduck | well the bet describes what means "advertised performance" | [22:56] |
Anduck | yeah | [22:56] |
fractal | tyrion: Exactly, the 400Gh unit was only 365Gh . | [22:56] |
fractal | therefore it missed performance targets | [22:56] |
tyrion70 | if I would have bought 1 unit.. how many GH would I have right now fractal? | [22:56] |
Anduck | but the people who ordered 400gh unit got >400gh at promised watts? | [22:56] |
tyrion70 | lets take another example.. | [22:57] |
fractal | tyrion70: Nobody who ordered a 400Gh unit has posted recieving more then 400Gh.... so I can't answer that question. | [22:57] |
Anduck | fractal: actually, MXRider did | [22:57] |
fractal | Someone ordered a 400 + 25Gh, and got 2 M-cards. | [22:57] |
tyrion70 | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.msg3051503#msg3051503 | [22:57] |
Anduck | the ordered 400gh unit and 25gh unit. | [22:58] |
tyrion70 | he did.. | [22:58] |
fractal | Anduck: NO. he ordered 425. | [22:58] |
ozbot | [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe | [22:58] |
Anduck | and he got 499 gh in total | [22:58] |
fractal | exactly. | [22:58] |
fractal | thats my point. thank you. | [22:58] |
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Anduck | tyrion70: let us hear your example | [22:58] |
fractal | You won't see anyone with 400Gh only getting delivered -- because BSB would have to ship them 2 M-boards, 2 R-pi's, etc. | [22:58] |
Anduck | and they do ship | [22:59] |
tyrion70 | well that's what I asked earlier.. | [22:59] |
Anduck | when one orders 400gh kit, he gets 400gh | [22:59] |
fractal | Since he ordered 400 + 25, he was always going to get 2 M-boards. | [22:59] |
Anduck | ... | [22:59] |
fractal | Anduck: I agree with you. but thats not what the bet says | [22:59] |
fractal | The bet says the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" must be 400Gh. IT ISN'T | [22:59] |
tyrion70 | if ppl ordering 400 gh get 2 m-boards its two units not one.. | [22:59] |
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fractal | tyrion70: Exactly. thank you. this is what i've been trying to argue for 3 days | [23:00] |
Anduck | tyrion70: the 400gh kit itself is built from m-boards and h-boards | [23:00] |
fractal | Anduck: no, its not. As per the website - the 400Gh unit -- as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [23:00] |
tyrion70 | anduck m-boards are not interconnected right? | [23:00] |
fractal | tyrion70: They are not . | [23:00] |
tyrion70 | each m-board has own power supply, nic etc.. | [23:00] |
fractal | tyrion70: correct | [23:00] |
Anduck | a full m-board _should_ make 400gh and now actually only does 370 gh. but the unit/kit, which people ordered, does 400gh (so it includes 2 m-boards and 18-20 h-boards) | [23:01] |
tyrion70 | ahhh | [23:01] |
tyrion70 | ok.. now I get the complete picture.. | [23:01] |
fractal | Anduck: which means the bet is a no, since the hardware does not perform as advertised. | [23:01] |
tyrion70 | well that's a tough one.. | [23:01] |
tyrion70 | I believe that ppl could have bet on this bet text with two things in mind.. | [23:02] |
Anduck | so in my eyes they failed the _hardware amount promise_ , they had to deliver more of those modular cards to make the 400gh kit | [23:02] |
Anduck | they did not fail the promised/advertised PERFORMANCE of the kit (and the bet was about the performance only) | [23:02] |
fractal | tyrion70: of course thats true. which is why its a bad bet i think... | [23:02] |
tyrion70 | Someone could have thought: No way they get that GH/W out of one chip: I'm betting no | [23:02] |
fractal | Anduck: why do you keep using the word KIT? KIT is not in the bet langugage at all. KIT is irrelevant | [23:02] |
tyrion70 | OR | [23:02] |
Anduck | tyrion70: performance means W/GH | [23:02] |
Anduck | fractal: they were sold as kits | [23:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 11 @ 0.00369 = 0.0406 BTC [+] | [23:03] |
Anduck | 400gh unit = 400 gh kit | [23:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 302 @ 0.00368 = 1.1114 BTC [-] | [23:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003663 = 0.3663 BTC [-] | [23:03] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 249 @ 0.00365 = 0.9089 BTC [-] | [23:03] |
fractal | No it doesn't. Performance means Hashrate and Wattage seperatly... No Proportion was mentioned in the bet language. | [23:03] |
Anduck | 25gh @ 40W an 400 gh @ 400W | [23:03] |
fractal | it must be BOTH over 400Gh and under 400W to meet targets. | [23:03] |
tyrion70 | Anduck, it's going to be hard to argue that one kit needs two psu's and two network cables.. | [23:03] |
fractal | well, a 400Gh UNIT does not exist..... | [23:04] |
Anduck | it doesn't need 2 psu-s... | [23:04] |
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Anduck | fractal: indeed. so one must have understood that when talking about 400gh unit it means the 400gh KIT you can order from the site | [23:04] |
fractal | It needs 2 m-boards, 2 R-pi's, etc. | [23:04] |
fractal | Anduck: Thats not what the bet says. | [23:04] |
tyrion70 | my conclusion if you want to hear it: bad bet... | [23:04] |
Anduck | so that when they advertised that 400gh kit will do 400 gigahashes at <400W.. it is met | [23:04] |
fractal | The best doesnt say "If they miss performance targets, they can ship multiple units to make up for it" | [23:04] |
tyrion70 | the outcome was not 100% coverered by the text in the bet.. | [23:05] |
Anduck | but people got the promised performance? | [23:05] |
Anduck | w tf | [23:05] |
fractal | Anduck: The 400Gh unit, as advertised, is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [23:05] |
Anduck | the 400gh KIT was advertised as taht | [23:05] |
fractal | Which failed to meet performance targets | [23:05] |
Anduck | no mention about units in there | [23:05] |
fractal | 'KIT" is nowhere in the bet language. stop using it. thank you. | [23:05] |
tyrion70 | anduck: 400 GH/s unit | [23:05] |
fractal | we are talking about UNITS, as per the bet language. | [23:05] |
Anduck | the KIT now happened to include more m-boards than it advertised but the PERFORMANCE is still as promised!!!!!!!! | [23:05] |
Anduck | fractal: but there's no such thing as unit at the bfsb.com shop | [23:06] |
fractal | Anduck: KIT is nowhere in the bet language. It means something different to UNIT. sorry. | [23:06] |
tyrion70 | it says unit anduck not kit.. | [23:06] |
tyrion70 | that's why its a bad bet.. | [23:06] |
Anduck | tyrion70: http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ | [23:06] |
tyrion70 | it's not a no, and not a yet.. | [23:06] |
Anduck | where the fuck it says "unit" in there? | [23:06] |
fractal | Well, the FULL KIT is STILL "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [23:06] |
fractal | you have to be really retarted not to read that part "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [23:06] |
fractal | thats a KIT | [23:06] |
tyrion70 | Anduck like I said, I have to go on the text in the bet.. | [23:06] |
Anduck | the bet wasn't about what the full kit is, it was about that the full kit will deliver the performance | [23:06] |
tyrion70 | not the site.. the site can be changed.. the bet can't | [23:06] |
fractal | Anduck: IT doesn't matter what you say now.... THE BET LANGUAGE IS ALL THAT MATTERS | [23:07] |
fractal | holy SHIT MAN | [23:07] |
Anduck | and i think it was quite clear to understand that 25gh unit and 400gh unit meant the thing you can buy from the website. and the thing you can buy from the website is kit | [23:07] |
Anduck | nobody has declared that 1 m-board + 16 h-boards is 400gh unit | [23:07] |
tyrion70 | anduck what's the power usage on that thing anyway? | [23:08] |
fractal | Well obviously its not clear.... a 400Gh unit/kit was "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [23:08] |
Anduck | the only declaration for 400gh unit i can think of is that what they sell at the site. the 400 gh KIT is what they sell | [23:08] |
fractal | Anduck: thats not what the bet says. | [23:08] |
Anduck | tyrion70: <350W | [23:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 389 @ 0.00022 = 0.0856 BTC [-] | [23:08] |
fractal | You can't write a bet and they say "oh, I actually meant this" later | [23:08] |
Anduck | yeah but it's actually very much the only way you can understand the bet | [23:08] |
tyrion70 | for 1 m-board with 16 h-boards? | [23:08] |
Anduck | tyrion70: no, for the 400gh unit | [23:08] |
tyrion70 | or for 2 m-boards and 19-h boards? | [23:09] |
Anduck | that includes 2 m-boards and 18 h-boards | [23:09] |
Anduck | or 19 h-boards | [23:09] |
fractal | Anduck: everyone can see that a 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [23:09] |
Anduck | fractal: that was meant to be the 400gh kit. it was meant that 400gh kit only includes 1 m-board filled with h-boards | [23:09] |
Anduck | but the kit hardware amount changed | [23:09] |
Anduck | but the performance did not | [23:09] |
fractal | Anduck: And thats what was advertsied -- according to the bet language -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [23:09] |
fractal | This did not meet performance. | [23:09] |
fractal | It's like BFL shipping 2 singles because 1 was only 1/2 the hashrate | [23:10] |
tyrion70 | pfff | [23:10] |
fractal | or giving a refund. | [23:10] |
Anduck | fractal: theu can do that if they keep the performance promise | [23:10] |
fractal | The fact is that the hardware MISSED performance | [23:10] |
Anduck | yeah | [23:10] |
Anduck | it did | [23:10] |
Anduck | but the 400gh unit did nopt | [23:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 400 @ 0.0002102 = 0.0841 BTC [-] | [23:10] |
Anduck | nor did the 25gh | [23:10] |
fractal | Anduck: the bet says nothing about keeping promises and shipping more hardware if they miss performance numebrs, it simply says that the 400Gh unit, as advertised "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips", must be 400Gh... IT was not. | [23:11] |
Anduck | but there's no declaration for 400gh unit to be 1 m-board with 16 h-boards | [23:11] |
Anduck | ......... | [23:11] |
fractal | Yes, that is what was advertised. | [23:11] |
Anduck | o well there is | [23:11] |
Anduck | yeah | [23:11] |
Anduck | the kit | [23:11] |
Anduck | or unit, whatever we want to call it | [23:11] |
Anduck | but as long as it performs as promised, the bet is yes | [23:12] |
Anduck | right? | [23:12] |
Anduck | doesn't matter does the COLOR of the miner change | [23:12] |
fractal | So, how do you expect people to read the bet, -- AS adveritsed -- ?? and then tell them later 'Sorry, it doesn't matter if that was as advertised' | [23:12] |
Anduck | or the SIZE | [23:12] |
fractal | Thats not what the language of the bet says. | [23:12] |
Anduck | well i am asking you | [23:12] |
tyrion70 | it can be read and understood two ways without right or wrong.. | [23:12] |
fractal | The UNIT, as advertised, didn't perform as promised . | [23:12] |
tyrion70 | hence: bad bet | [23:12] |
Anduck | fractal: what is the unit? | [23:13] |
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fractal | Anduck: "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips", | [23:13] |
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Anduck | yeah, they failed that. they had to add more hardware to make the unit | [23:13] |
tyrion70 | both anduck and fractal, try not to convince eachother of your own opinion but see if you can fit both opinions in the same bet.. | [23:13] |
Anduck | indeed | [23:13] |
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Anduck | what i said earlier, i say now | [23:14] |
Anduck | the bet requires that bfsb ships 400 gh to people who ordered 400gh | [23:14] |
Anduck | and it must meet the W/GH | [23:14] |
fractal | tyrion70: i agree with you, your arguement that this is a bad bet, is probably valid. | [23:14] |
tyrion70 | you are both right... | [23:14] |
Anduck | so they cant ship for example GPU's | [23:14] |
fractal | Anduck: Thats not what the bet says. | [23:14] |
tyrion70 | anduck, I could argue that if I ordered a 400GH Kit as you describe it, I now received 2 units... | [23:14] |
tyrion70 | not one... | [23:15] |
Anduck | it doesn't matter that does the miner change color or what sized it is... the thing is that they had to deliver the advertised performance. performance means X amount of GHash at Y W/GH. | [23:15] |
fractal | Anduck: yes, but thats not what the bet says. | [23:15] |
Anduck | tyrion70: you can only order 400gh kits | [23:15] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.0037 = 0.0074 BTC [+] | [23:15] |
fractal | Anduck: And a KIT, as advertised is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips", | [23:15] |
Anduck | they said that the kit will include 1 m-board and 16 h-boards. but it ended up including 2 m-boards with 19 h-boards | [23:15] |
tyrion70 | anduck; do you agree that I should not have to read another website to bet? | [23:15] |
Anduck | tyrion70: yes | [23:15] |
tyrion70 | allrightl | [23:15] |
Anduck | so where does one come up with that a 400gh unit is 1 m-board with 16 h-boards??? | [23:16] |
tyrion70 | anduck: do you agree that if I ordered a 400 GH Kit from bitfury and I openend the box I would see two "units" | [23:16] |
Anduck | thats not in the bet. the bet refers to the bfsb.com shop declared performance of 400gh unit. and it's in the parenthesis too | [23:16] |
fractal | Anduck: The bet language says UNIT. The website says "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips", | [23:16] |
Anduck | in the parenthesis is the thing that the 400gh unit and 25gh unit had to meet | [23:16] |
tyrion70 | depening on "my understanding" of the word unit... | [23:16] |
fractal | 1 master board is therefore assumed to be a UNIT | [23:16] |
Anduck | tyrion70: yea | [23:16] |
Anduck | tyrion70: that means they failed the amount of hardware you ordered. | [23:17] |
Anduck | but it still performs as promised | [23:17] |
tyrion70 | it means that the text is ambivalent.. | [23:17] |
Anduck | even though the miner size or color or amount of modular units has changed | [23:17] |
fractal | Well, i'd say that if they had to ship more hardware -- they missed performance targets. | [23:17] |
tyrion70 | because 2 units makes the bet a no.. | [23:17] |
Anduck | tyrion70: but where do you come up with that 400gh is 2 units? | [23:17] |
tyrion70 | like I said if I opened the box today one could argue that I have received two units instead of one.. | [23:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02271 = 0.0454 BTC [-] | [23:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0227 = 0.0681 BTC [-] | [23:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.0227 = 0.227 BTC [-] | [23:18] |
Anduck | it's a single 400gh unit you buy. you get the 400gh (even though it's splitted in 2 mainboards and 19 h-boards) | [23:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02251 = 0.045 BTC [-] | [23:18] |
Anduck | tyrion70: indeed | [23:18] |
Anduck | so they failed that promise | [23:18] |
tyrion70 | which would make me very happy customer nonetheless... | [23:18] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 53 @ 0.0225 = 1.1925 BTC [-] | [23:18] |
Anduck | but those hardware as the unit would still perform as promised | [23:18] |
Anduck | you order 400gh unit, you get 400 gh unit | [23:18] |
fractal | For the record -- nobody who ordered a 400Gh OR LESS has reported receiving more then 1 M-board. | [23:19] |
Anduck | the unit has changed, but the performance hasn't | [23:19] |
fractal | Anduck: 2 units is not 1 unit. | [23:19] |
fractal | 2 units is 2 units. because they missed performance. | [23:19] |
Anduck | you order 400gh unit, how does that go to 2 units??? | [23:19] |
Anduck | who the fuck says 1 m-board is 1 unit? | [23:19] |
Anduck | who the fuck says 1 m-board with 16 h-boards is 1 unit? | [23:19] |
fractal | The website says it. ""1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips", | [23:19] |
fractal | thanks. | [23:19] |
Anduck | it says that yes | [23:19] |
tyrion70 | but the bet says: 400 GH/s unit 400W while it does 400 GH/s 2 units 400W | [23:20] |
tyrion70 | 1 kit now equals 2 units | [23:20] |
tyrion70 | bet language was not clear (should have used the exact language from bitfury) | [23:20] |
Anduck | YES you are RIGHT about that. so they failed that. the unit is MORE THAN 1 M-BOARD | [23:20] |
fractal | Anduck: YES, but thats not what the bet says !! | [23:20] |
tyrion70 | there is no bitfury "unit" therefore ppl betting might have different opinions on what a unit is.. | [23:20] |
Anduck | the unit is MORE than 1 m-board with 16 h-boards!!! | [23:20] |
fractal | Anduck: That's not what was advertised | [23:20] |
Anduck | true! | [23:20] |
fractal | Anduck: The BET says 'as advertised' | [23:20] |
Anduck | but the performance is still correct! | [23:20] |
Anduck | it wasn't about how much boards the unit must have or is the hardware amount as advertised | [23:21] |
fractal | No, its not. The 400Gh unit , as advertised "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips", is only 365Gh | [23:21] |
fractal | Again, Anduck, Thats not what the bet says.... | [23:21] |
tyrion70 | again, I could argue both sides; so I say it's invalid.. | [23:21] |
Anduck | but the 400gh unit ended up to be 2 m-boards + 19 h-boards. so they fucking failed that hardware amount promise, RIGHT???? but the 400gh unit (which has now changed to 2 m-boards instead of 1) they ordered performs as promised | [23:22] |
fractal | Anduck: Thats irrelevant, as thats not what the bet says. | [23:22] |
tyrion70 | ok | [23:22] |
tyrion70 | lets try a different approach | [23:22] |
Anduck | it's irrelevant? | [23:22] |
tyrion70 | knc.. | [23:22] |
fractal | Anduck: All thats relevant is the language of the bet | [23:22] |
tyrion70 | has 100 200 and 400 gh machines right? | [23:22] |
Anduck | yup | [23:22] |
tyrion70 | ok lets say the bet is knc delivers their "units" with advertized performance.. | [23:23] |
tyrion70 | now they don't and instead of sending me one jupiter they send two... | [23:23] |
tyrion70 | now if the bet says: a jupiter at advertized performance (400GH) the bet would be NO right? | [23:24] |
fractal | that would mean they failed on performance.... the bet would be a NO | [23:24] |
Anduck | the bet says "400gh unit at 400W" ? * | [23:24] |
tyrion70 | but if the bet says: an order at advertized performance (400GH) | [23:24] |
tyrion70 | it would be a yes.. | [23:24] |
Anduck | yup | [23:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3 @ 0.0037 = 0.0111 BTC [+] | [23:24] |
tyrion70 | ok.. now back to bitfury.. | [23:25] |
Anduck | but the performance isn't same as hashrate | [23:25] |
fractal | Anduck: "400gh unit 400W" means that the unit must be BOTH more then 400Gh, and less then 400W... no mention of Gh/W ratio was made. | [23:25] |
Anduck | performance is W/GH AND the hashrate | [23:25] |
Anduck | yeah | [23:25] |
fractal | Anduck: not the way the bet defines it | [23:25] |
tyrion70 | ho ho ho | [23:25] |
Anduck | but that's what the performance means, right? | [23:25] |
Anduck | =P | [23:25] |
tyrion70 | keep it simple first.. | [23:25] |
tyrion70 | skip the W ;) | [23:25] |
Anduck | >400gh at <400W makes a rate of <1 W/GH | [23:25] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 170 @ 0.004302 = 0.7313 BTC [-] | [23:25] |
Anduck | + the unit must do more than 400 GH | [23:26] |
fractal | No. You can win on hashrate and lose on wattage, or win on wattage and lose on hashrate | [23:26] |
tyrion70 | with bitfury.. when this bet was openend.. | [23:26] |
tyrion70 | Anduck what was your understanding of a unit? | [23:26] |
Anduck | the 400gh or 25gh thing you can order from bfsb.com | [23:26] |
Anduck | they call them kits | [23:26] |
tyrion70 | ok so the word unit was "wrong" from the start... | [23:26] |
Anduck | how? | [23:26] |
tyrion70 | well.. you read and interpreted the word unit as order or kit | [23:27] |
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Anduck | what do you think unit is? | [23:27] |
tyrion70 | fractal might have read and interpreted 1m-board with 16 h-boards.. | [23:27] |
tyrion70 | the thing is.. | [23:27] |
Anduck | but who says unit is that? | [23:27] |
tyrion70 | there is a difference.. | [23:27] |
Anduck | bfsb.com says that the kit is that | [23:27] |
tyrion70 | who says a unit is an order... | [23:27] |
Anduck | well if he got that thing from the kit declaration | [23:27] |
fractal | thats exactly how I interpreted it -- based on the bet language -- thats all I have to go by... The site doesn't say "message Anduck" if you have any questions. | [23:28] |
Anduck | then kit=unit=order | [23:28] |
tyrion70 | that's ur assumption anduck.. | [23:28] |
Anduck | why? | [23:28] |
tyrion70 | well because you believe it to be... | [23:28] |
tyrion70 | the question is not are you wrong.. | [23:28] |
Anduck | isn't the assumption of 1 unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-board wrong too? it's never declared anywhere | [23:28] |
tyrion70 | ha! | [23:28] |
tyrion70 | there we go.. | [23:28] |
Anduck | only the 400gh kit is declared | [23:28] |
tyrion70 | both are actually... | [23:28] |
tyrion70 | and none.. | [23:29] |
tyrion70 | in the bet text itself | [23:29] |
tyrion70 | unit is not further explained.. | [23:29] |
tyrion70 | it leaves that to the reader.. | [23:29] |
Anduck | so we _MUST_ assume that unit=kit | [23:29] |
tyrion70 | nope.. | [23:29] |
Anduck | unit can be a group | [23:29] |
Anduck | unit can be a group of smaller units | [23:29] |
tyrion70 | why? because you think that's correct? | [23:29] |
fractal | Anduck: well, it says 'As advertised' | [23:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 8 @ 0.65 = 5.2 BTC [+] | [23:29] |
tyrion70 | apparently there are two ways of looking at a unit.. | [23:29] |
Anduck | yeah fractal, advertised performance. not advertised amount of hw | [23:29] |
tyrion70 | both of which come from the same website.. | [23:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 5 @ 0.65 = 3.25 BTC [+] | [23:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 200 @ 0.65 = 130 BTC [+] | [23:30] |
Anduck | the website only declares that a kit is 1 m-board + 16 h-boards | [23:30] |
Anduck | no talking about units | [23:30] |
tyrion70 | I could have read on the website that if I ordered a kit I would get 1 m board with 16 boards.. | [23:30] |
Anduck | so you can -assume_ it means the kit when talking about unit | [23:30] |
tyrion70 | ok u agree there can be two definitions of unit? | [23:31] |
Anduck | yeah | [23:31] |
Anduck | but my definition was actually defined ,the other one wasn't | [23:31] |
tyrion70 | hense wrong bet language.. | [23:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 999 @ 0.0037 = 3.6963 BTC [+] | [23:31] |
fractal | Anduck: It missed advertised performance. | [23:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 291 @ 0.0037 = 1.0767 BTC [+] | [23:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.478 = 4.956 BTC [-] | [23:31] |
tyrion70 | it has nothing to do with meeting the performance yet.. | [23:31] |
tyrion70 | although.. | [23:32] |
tyrion70 | if unit == kit == order then the bet result == yes | [23:32] |
ThickAsThieves | wow | [23:32] |
tyrion70 | if unit == 1m board + 16 h-boards then the bet result == no.. | [23:32] |
Anduck | they failed to ship the kit as described, though the kit does deliver the performance as promised. nobody can say that unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards, that wasnt ever defined anywhere!!! | [23:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 7 @ 0.003376 = 0.0236 BTC [+] | [23:32] |
fractal | tyrion70: I think its clear the bet language is not great. it its cancelled, i would understand, but I think it comes down to what most people would interpret a 'UNIT as Advertised' as being... | [23:32] |
ThickAsThieves | you guys and this bet | [23:32] |
ThickAsThieves | ... | [23:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 8 @ 0.65 = 5.2 BTC [+] | [23:32] |
Anduck | nobody can say that unit = 1 m-board + 16 h-boards, that wasnt ever defined anywhere!!! | [23:33] |
tyrion70 | anduck, it was at the site wasn't it? | [23:33] |
Anduck | no | [23:33] |
Anduck | only kit declaration | [23:33] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [23:33] |
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fractal | it's very clear http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ -- 400Gh miner -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- the hardware did not perform as advertised. The bet clearly states that the hardware must perform as advertised. All conditions of the bet were not met. | [23:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.0008699 BTC [-] | [23:33] |
tyrion70 | ok so kit was 1 m-board and 16 hbards right? | [23:33] |
Anduck | yeah | [23:33] |
Anduck | that how it was defined | [23:33] |
tyrion70 | so if I were to read up on what a unit was I would think its a kit? | [23:33] |
Anduck | and people who orderd the kit got the performance the kit promised | [23:34] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.0008699 = 0.0017 BTC [-] | [23:34] |
tyrion70 | ok but unit == kit OR unit == order.. | [23:34] |
Anduck | it made it with a different hardware amount than promised. but that wasn't partt of the bet | [23:34] |
tyrion70 | can't be both at the same time.. | [23:34] |
Anduck | unit=kit | [23:34] |
Anduck | order can have many kits | [23:34] |
tyrion70 | unit==kit==1m+16h? | [23:34] |
Anduck | the kit was advertised to make 400gh at <400W. and it was also advertised to have 1 m-board and 16 h-boards | [23:34] |
Anduck | so yeah | [23:34] |
Anduck | but the kit ended up to have more m-boards and h-boards than promised | [23:35] |
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Anduck | but it didn't alter the advertised performance (400gh at <400w) | [23:35] |
tyrion70 | so it was unclear what a unit was... | [23:35] |
Anduck | how is it unclear? | [23:35] |
tyrion70 | well.. u bet from customer perspective.. | [23:35] |
tyrion70 | if you get >400GH for <400W before september 1st you win.. | [23:36] |
tyrion70 | I can bet from technical perspective.. | [23:36] |
tyrion70 | being: no way they get 400GH out of 256 chips.. | [23:36] |
fractal | tyrion70: thats exactly what I placed my bet on. | [23:36] |
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tyrion70 | both based on the same initial bet text.. | [23:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 3 @ 0.0032 = 0.0096 BTC [+] | [23:36] |
Anduck | they had to add more chips, making them to break that promise | [23:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 70 @ 0.0037 = 0.259 BTC [+] | [23:37] |
fractal | 'No way they can get 400GH out of 256 chips' | [23:37] |
fractal | Anduck: and the promise was broken because the performance was not met | [23:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 639 @ 0.0037 = 2.3643 BTC [+] | [23:37] |
tyrion70 | and that statement "could be" covered by the original bid text.. | [23:37] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.477 BTC [-] | [23:37] |
Anduck | how? | [23:37] |
Anduck | i think it can't. | [23:37] |
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fractal | Anduck: tyrion is saying that the bet can be viewed from a 'customer' perspective or a 'technical' perspective.... depending on which one, the bet can be a yes or no. | [23:38] |
tyrion70 | why not? think two weeks back.. | [23:38] |
Anduck | i don't agree with that technical perspective | [23:38] |
Anduck | let me explain why | [23:38] |
tyrion70 | ok | [23:38] |
pankkake | .bait | [23:39] |
ozbot | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1an53Gy861qezyuno1_1280.jpg | [23:39] |
Anduck | one looks that yeah they can't make 256 produce 400gh at <400W. but if 256 chips don't make 400gh, it isn't a 400gh unit, right? | [23:39] |
Anduck | so they had to add more chips to make the 400gh unit. | [23:39] |
Anduck | still it had to draw max 400 W in total | [23:39] |
Anduck | if they added GPU's, it would break the performance promise since it would eat more than 400 wattas | [23:40] |
Anduck | so they only broke the promise of hardware amount, they couldn't make the 400gh unit out of 1 m-board only | [23:40] |
tyrion70 | yeah i see where you are going.. | [23:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.477 = 12.385 BTC [-] | [23:40] |
fractal | Anduck: Thats not what the bet says... the kit says 256 chips do 400Gh. | [23:40] |
FabianB_ | .bait | [23:40] |
ozbot | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4w2pgVaZ21r21xm5o1_1280.jpg | [23:40] |
tyrion70 | but can you at least imagine that ppl bet on 256 chips doing 400 gh based on the information from the bet | [23:40] |
Anduck | the site says kit makes 400gh and includes 256 chips | [23:41] |
fractal | There are 2 metrics for performance. -- hashrate, and Wattage. It has to meet BOTH. | [23:41] |
Anduck | the kit makes 400gh and includes more than 256 chips. | [23:41] |
Anduck | they broke the hw amount promise, not the performance promise of the kit | [23:41] |
tyrion70 | not according to the ppl that bet on the 256 chips being one unit.. | [23:41] |
pankkake | so it does 400gh for <400W? | [23:42] |
tyrion70 | 300 chips do > 400gh for <400w | [23:42] |
pankkake | regardless of number of chips, which aren't in the bet | [23:42] |
fractal | Anduck: The HW promise IS the performance promise! Imagine if you are running a server farm, and Intel says --- "oh, sorry, our chips aren't fast enough --, but heres 1000 extra servers. Oh, you can't fit them in your datacenter because you ran out of space? too bad!!" | [23:42] |
Anduck | tyrion70: the bet doesn't require the unit to include 256 chips | [23:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 28 @ 0.004135 = 0.1158 BTC [-] | [23:42] |
pankkake | don't care about the nubem of chips | [23:42] |
fractal | pankkake: yes. But thats not what the bet says. | [23:42] |
pankkake | does it do 400gh for <400W? | [23:42] |
Anduck | pankkake: yes | [23:42] |
fractal | pankkake: No, it doesn't | [23:42] |
pankkake | lol | [23:42] |
tyrion70 | both | [23:42] |
Anduck | you order 400gh, you get 400gh at <400W | [23:42] |
Anduck | so yes, it does. | [23:42] |
tyrion70 | again, you are both right.. | [23:42] |
tyrion70 | depending on the perspective.. | [23:43] |
pankkake | ok, rewriting my question: does it do <1W per gh? | [23:43] |
Anduck | i am fucking more right than him goddamnit KIDDORAGE INCOMING | [23:43] |
tyrion70 | hahaha | [23:43] |
Anduck | pankkake: yes | [23:43] |
pankkake | ok, that's interesting | [23:43] |
Anduck | and the unit does >400 gigahashes, too | [23:43] |
fractal | pankkake: 400Gh miner -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- which is what was required by the bet -- only does 365Gh | [23:43] |
pankkake | honestly, I think it should resolve as yes then | [23:43] |
pankkake | (and it means I lose my bet) | [23:43] |
pankkake | but the bet does not mention chips or boards or whatever | [23:43] |
Anduck | the bet required the unit to produce 400gh at <400W. it does that, even though it does that with more chips than announced | [23:44] |
pankkake | it mentions performance, watts, hashes | [23:44] |
fractal | pankkake: well, its a no, if you read the bet language. | [23:44] |
tyrion70 | the bet describes a unit.. | [23:44] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.1986 = 0.993 BTC [-] | [23:44] |
tyrion70 | but there is no such thing as a unit... | [23:44] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 9 @ 0.65 = 5.85 BTC [+] | [23:44] |
pankkake | "Devices must meet advertised performance" | [23:44] |
tyrion70 | so anducks definition of a unit being "whats in the box" | [23:44] |
tyrion70 | is correct.. | [23:44] |
pankkake | they meet the *performance* | [23:44] |
Anduck | it says 25gh unit and 400gh unit - bfsb sold 25gh kit and 400gh kit. so you can pretty much make the assumption that kit=unit there,right? | [23:44] |
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fractal | pankkake: They did not meet ADVERTISED performance. | [23:44] |
tyrion70 | and fractals definition of 256 chips is correct to.. | [23:44] |
pankkake | number of chips is not performance | [23:45] |
fractal | pankkake: 400Gh miner -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- as advertised -- only does 365Gh | [23:45] |
Anduck | tyrion70: the bet was about the unit performance, not about the unit chip amount | [23:45] |
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tyrion70 | yes and no.. | [23:45] |
tyrion70 | yes a unit is a kit.. | [23:45] |
tyrion70 | but the definiton of a kit is not in the bet.. | [23:46] |
Anduck | a kit was promised to do 400 ghash and it does that | [23:46] |
fractal | pankkake: Hashrate for the 400Gh kit/unit as defined by the hardware, as advertsied , was not met. | [23:46] |
fractal | Anduck: No, it only does 365Gh | [23:46] |
fractal | sorry | [23:46] |
Anduck | but one ordered 400gh kit and got 400gh? | [23:46] |
tyrion70 | hence it can be read as "what I receive when I order one" or "1 m board 16 h boards and 256 chips" | [23:46] |
fractal | 2 Kits do > 400Gh | [23:46] |
fractal | 1 Kit does < 400Gh | [23:46] |
Anduck | i buy 1 kit, i get >400gh | [23:47] |
Anduck | wtf? | [23:47] |
fractal | Anduck: Thats not what the bet says. | [23:47] |
Anduck | lol? | [23:47] |
Anduck | 400gh kit does 400gh, thats what the bet says | [23:47] |
Anduck | we already accepted that kit=unit | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | incidentally, is this bitfury pcb stuff pretty much the most open/modder friendly asic miner to date ? | [23:47] |
Anduck | the kit does 400gh | [23:47] |
Anduck | mircea_popescu: yup | [23:47] |
fractal | The bet says the 400Gh UNIT as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not. | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | it seems impressignly open | [23:47] |
pankkake | yeah it looks great | [23:47] |
Anduck | fractal: the chip count is different, performance of the unit is not | [23:47] |
pankkake | now I want one | [23:48] |
Anduck | the chips can be run at >3 GH | [23:48] |
mircea_popescu | pankkake they certainly did the pr right. | [23:48] |
fractal | Anduck: the performance was not met. It is only 365Gh. | [23:48] |
Anduck | at bfsb boards they do max 1,5 | [23:48] |
Anduck | fractal: i order 400gh unit, i get 400gh. | [23:48] |
fractal | Anduck: The bet only talks about the performance of the unit -- | [23:48] |
fractal | which is -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not. | [23:49] |
Anduck | and i get a 400gh unit and it does the 400gh? chip count changed, yes | [23:49] |
fractal | No, it doesn't. | [23:49] |
fractal | it only does 365Gh | [23:49] |
Anduck | but it does? | [23:49] |
pankkake | they spent more time working on the miner than on the PR and cases, it seems | [23:49] |
Anduck | i get a 400gh KIT which is same as 400gh UNIT as we already accepted. | [23:49] |
Anduck | yup | [23:49] |
Anduck | the chip itself is awesome | [23:49] |
fractal | Anduck: proof that the 400Gh kit is what I describe --- http://thegenesisblock.com/bitfury-400-ghs-bitcoin-mining-rig-hits-us-shores/ | [23:49] |
Anduck | fractal: the link is not part of the bet | [23:49] |
fractal | You are now disagreeing with thegensisblock also | [23:49] |
Anduck | only bitfurystrikesback.com is referred to | [23:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 6 @ 0.65 = 3.9 BTC [+] | [23:50] |
Anduck | and bitfurystrikesback says 400gh kit (unit) will deliver 400gh at <400W. this was met | [23:50] |
fractal | That's a picture of the kit/unit. it doeesn't do 400Gh.... | [23:50] |
fractal | No it doesn't | [23:50] |
Anduck | it's a picture of 1 m-board filled with 16 h-cards | [23:50] |
fractal | the 400Gh UNIT as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not. | [23:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 7 @ 0.003376 = 0.0236 BTC [+] | [23:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 52 @ 0.003376 = 0.1756 BTC [+] | [23:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 115 @ 0.65 = 74.75 BTC [+] | [23:51] |
kakobrekla | i think the conclusion of the story is buy s.bbet | [23:51] |
Anduck | bitfurystrikesback says 400gh kit (same as 400 gh unit as we accepted) will deliver 400gh at <400W. this was met. the chip count though was changed from 256 to more. | [23:51] |
pankkake | kakobrekla: I'm waiting for the TAT PT | [23:51] |
fractal | Anduck: Thats not what the bet says. the bet says a 400Gh miner, as advertised -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- must be at least 400Gh -- it is not. | [23:51] |
Anduck | dude read what i wrote | [23:52] |
Anduck | read it with care | [23:52] |
fractal | Read what I wrote with care as well. | [23:52] |
Anduck | i did. | [23:52] |
Anduck | they failed that. they had to ship more hw to make the unit | [23:52] |
fractal | I did. | [23:52] |
Anduck | but thats not part of the goddamn bet | [23:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 3 @ 0.65 = 1.95 BTC [+] | [23:52] |
fractal | Which means the bet is a no. they shipped more because they missed on performance. its the same as a refund. | [23:52] |
Anduck | the unit changed from 1 m-board filled with 16 h-cards to 2 m-boards with 19 h-cards. so they failed this.. but the UNIT does as performed | [23:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.476 BTC [-] | [23:53] |
fractal | Anduck: The fact is that people betting on bitbet.us can ONLY go by what the language of the bet says --- The bet says a 400Gh miner, as advertised, must be 400Gh.... The advertised Miner was -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- it is onlt 365Gh. | [23:53] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.BBET] 5325 @ 0.00069999 = 3.7274 BTC [-] | [23:53] |
Anduck | the advertised miner performance, which the bet is about, is 400gh at <400W. | [23:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02399 = 0.048 BTC [+] | [23:54] |
fractal | Anduck: the fact that they had to do that, means that they missed performance on their 400Gh 'kit' and the bet is a no. | [23:54] |
Anduck | the amount of hardware for the unit changed but it's not part of the bet | [23:54] |
fractal | Anduck: Thats not what the bet says | [23:54] |
pankkake | the bet mentions advertised performance, not advertised specs | [23:54] |
Anduck | indeed | [23:54] |
Anduck | the bet doesn't require the unit/kit to be 1 m-board with 16 h-boards | [23:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 14 @ 0.023 = 0.322 BTC [-] | [23:54] |
Anduck | it requires the unit/kit to perform as promised, that is 25gh at 40W or 400gh at 400W | [23:54] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 2 @ 0.004302 = 0.0086 BTC [+] | [23:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.475 BTC [-] | [23:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.023 = 1.15 BTC [-] | [23:55] |
fractal | pankkake: it says the performance of a UNIT AS ADVERTISED. The advertised 400Gh Miner was -- "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- it is onlt 365Gh. | [23:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.023 = 1.15 BTC [-] | [23:56] |
pankkake | it's not performance, and what is performance is mentionned in the bet | [23:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 2.475 = 7.425 BTC [-] | [23:56] |
pankkake | stop copy/pasting that line it's annoying | [23:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02251 = 0.045 BTC [-] | [23:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 47 @ 0.0225 = 1.0575 BTC [-] | [23:56] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.0225 = 0.0675 BTC [-] | [23:56] |
fractal | pankkake: yes, and the unit mentioned in the bet failed on performance. | [23:56] |
pankkake | :| | [23:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02233 = 0.067 BTC [-] | [23:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02232 BTC [-] | [23:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.02232 = 0.6696 BTC [-] | [23:57] |
Anduck | no it doesn't say "performance of the unit as advertised". it says "must meet advertised performance (25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W) " | [23:57] |
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fractal | and the 400Gh unit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" -- which only does 365Gh. | [23:57] |
Anduck | and we agreed already that unit is the same thing as the kit. | [23:57] |
fractal | and 1 kit is 1-mboard. | [23:57] |
Anduck | the kits are promised as the parenthesis says and that is met | [23:57] |
Anduck | no | [23:57] |
Anduck | it was meant to be | [23:57] |
fractal | yes. | [23:57] |
pankkake | please stop mentionning chips | [23:57] |
Anduck | but it's more than that | [23:57] |
fractal | that is what was advertised, and that is what the language of the bet says | [23:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 7 @ 0.65 = 4.55 BTC [+] | [23:58] |
Anduck | so they failed that part? but not the performance of the kit? | [23:58] |
fractal | All that matter is the language of the bet. that is why people make NO/YES bets. based on the language of the bet | [23:58] |
fractal | Anduck: the 400Gh Kit failed on performance. | [23:58] |
fractal | A 400Gh kit is "1 Master board 16 hashing boards with 16 Bitfury 55nm ASIC chips for total of 256 chips" | [23:58] |
Anduck | the language says that the kit must perform as promised. the kit perform promise is at the bfsb shop: | [23:58] |
Anduck | Performance: | [23:58] |
Anduck | 400GHash/s | [23:58] |
Anduck | Total power draw max. 400W (Efficiency at wall depends on your PSU) | [23:58] |
fractal | No, it doesn't perform as promised | [23:59] |
FabianB_ | why not just wait a few hours and see what it resolves to? | [23:59] |
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Anduck | order 400gh unit -> get 400gh mining power at promised efficiency. how does it not perform as promised? | [23:59] |
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