Forum logs for 30 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

The20YearIRCloud	at what price?	[00:00]
nubbins`	around 10-12 iirc	[00:01]
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The20YearIRCloud	He sell when it was $20-$48?	[00:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22983 @ 0.00075309 = 17.3083 BTC [+] {2}	[00:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15917 @ 0.00075345 = 11.9927 BTC [+] {2}	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00075354 = 14.6187 BTC [+] {2}	[00:09]
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mircea_popescu	http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/early-sign-pancreatic-cancer-0928	[00:17]
assbot	Biologists find an early sign of cancer \| MIT News Office	[00:17]
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BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cory_Maye#Death_of_Officer_Jones	[00:22]
assbot	Cory Maye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Interesting write up. I do wonder though why they picked OS 9 and not... 7	[00:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19084 @ 0.00075286 = 14.3676 BTC [-]	[00:31]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/104678/	[00:32]
assbot	Meth charge dropped after only spaghetti sauce found on spoon	[00:32]
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Azelphur	BingoBoingo: I feel this is relevant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Y9ja9s5f0	[00:38]
assbot	How To Make Pancakes Like A Druggie - YouTube	[00:38]
BingoBoingo	!up jborkl_	[00:38]
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jborkl_	wtf is up with assbot, shithead	[00:38]
jborkl_	thank you for the up BingoBoingo	[00:39]
assbot	jborkl_ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[00:43]
jborkl_	is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of?	[00:44]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: Nice	[00:45]
jurov	;;gettrust assbot jborkl_	[00:48]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jborkl_ \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jborkl_ \| Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012	[00:48]
jurov	assbot doesn't know you	[00:50]
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chetty	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/29/argentina-debt-contempt-idUSL2N0RU1XB20140929	[00:58]
assbot	US Judge Griesa holds Argentina in contempt in debt case\| Reuters	[00:58]
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mircea_popescu	hahaha	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	how does that work.	[01:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 << 9 is the end of that line, wtf would you want with 7	[01:12]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: afaik, no serious bloat or otherwise objectionable item was introduced between 7 and 9 (unless you really hate colour display)	[01:13]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Well their previous archeology experiment was DOS... Also 7.X series supports color.	[01:14]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: so unearthing 7 would be akin to using, say, dos 2 instead of 6.	[01:16]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: no reason whatsoever to do this, unless ancient proggy demands it	[01:16]
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BingoBoingo	Well 9 doesn't run on 68k hardware...	[01:17]
asciilifeform	afaik - 8 did	[01:17]
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BingoBoingo	8 does, but requires... greasing	[01:18]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: incidentally, do you own an 'amiga' ?	[01:18]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	No, but I've looked at some	[01:19]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ?	[01:22]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, what's the reason that payment this week is considerably less than previous ones?	[01:28]
cazalla	cyber lashing for being lazy previous week?	[01:29]
asciilifeform	http://wnep.com/2014/09/29/search-for-eric-frein-shifts << lol, own goals: 1	[01:31]
assbot	Search For Eric Frein Shifts \| WNEP.com	[01:31]
xanthyos	heh, oliver twist asking mr bumble for some more	[01:32]
cazalla	asciilifeform, reads like First Blood	[01:33]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? << Telling people their websites are broken	[01:33]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture << I may eventually pick one up.	[01:34]
asciilifeform	cazalla: or like eric frank russell's 'wasp'.	[01:34]
asciilifeform	cazalla: imagine if instead of one desperado, 100. each in different city.	[01:35]
asciilifeform	but, as in 'wasp', one suffices.	[01:35]
asciilifeform	or, suppose herr frein studied, e.g., robotics, and/or aeronautics, or, ..., ..., instead (or in addition to) small arms.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	!s clever poor	[01:36]
assbot	2 results for 'clever poor' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=clever+poor	[01:36]
mats_cd03	17:42:24 <+jborkl_> is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? << 26-09-2014 21:31:23 ;;unrate jborkl_	[01:46]
mats_cd03	oh wait, he quit.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	this minimum effort bs, meh.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	cazalla apparently i can't zero.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	fixing sorry.	[01:49]
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mircea_popescu	los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker << mostly because everyone else had more sense than to be involved.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	but bitpay gotta stick with the old ring of scammers because why not.	[01:52]
cazalla	midnightmagic, np ty	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	TomServo: Is this bizarro world? <<< well lenovo isn't a us state corp.	[01:52]
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mircea_popescu	getting ACTUAL dollars, ie, reducing your external debt, ios a whole different story from shuffling bezzlars among the branches of state / various state owned entreprises in a ridiculous but doomed attempt to simulate a working economy	[01:53]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 54(Y):46(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.64957118 BTC. Current weight: 55,810.	[01:59]
peterl_	why doesn't Lenovo capitalize their name? for the longest time I thoght it was Ienovo	[02:02]
BingoBoingo	;;google Ienovo	[02:03]
gribble	‪#‎ienovo‬ - Facebook: ; Ienovo A680 - Phone & Gadget Accessories for sale in Cheras ...: ; Ienovo - Lenovo:	[02:03]
BingoBoingo	;;google 1enovo	[02:04]
gribble	.minecraft com mods Basicos/Optifine & Rei's Minimap 1.5.1 e novo ...: ; High Res - Lenovo Partner Network: ; details - Lenovo: (1 more message)	[02:04]
dub	yeah! or just spell phonetically: renovo	[02:06]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/drug-case-that-won-darren-wilson-an-award-at-risk/article_8d962d61-543f-5305-94dc-d36700fda9ef.html << Dominoes	[02:14]
assbot	Drug case that won Darren Wilson an award at risk : News	[02:14]
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thickasthieves	cheap coins will be over soon methinks	[02:22]
thickasthieves	maybe last hoorah tonight	[02:22]
RagnarDanneskjol	why?	[02:23]
dub	solid TA there	[02:23]
thickasthieves	well if you want charts go to my site, but i havent published any lately	[02:23]
TheNewDeal	Please explain	[02:23]
thickasthieves	but ive charted this thing inside and out and it's just a probable thing according to my tea leaves	[02:24]
thickasthieves	doesnt mean it's gonna happen	[02:24]
dub	whats your traderview again	[02:24]
*	dub should think about storing bookmarks outside his browser history	[02:25]
thickasthieves	https://www.tradingview.com/v/mwf4pGBm/	[02:25]
assbot	BTCUSD BFX - Repeating Waves? - TradingView	[02:25]
BingoBoingo	http://devilsadvocate.biz/ << TaT blog	[02:25]
assbot	The Devil's Advocate \| Telling it like it might be.	[02:25]
cazalla	cheap coins, no cash, have car rego and insurance to pay this friday, that burns more than having bought previously at higher price	[02:25]
thickasthieves	my outlook hasnt really changed for a while	[02:25]
dub	3rd world problems	[02:25]
thickasthieves	just took longer than i initially figured	[02:26]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/29/white_house_intruder_ran_past_door_over_secret_service_agent_into_east_room.html	[02:26]
assbot	White House intruder ran past door, over Secret Service agent, into East Room.	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	http://pluss.vg.no/2014/09/27/1774/1774_23304090#xtor=CS1-1-23304090%5BHitlers+unge+d%C3%B8dsgud%5D	[02:27]
assbot	Hitlers unge ddsgud - VG+	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	heh	[02:27]
dub	is this becoming a sport? how far can you make it into the wh	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	dub im rooting for the "we fucked in the white house" blog	[02:27]
TheNewDeal	;;Bc,stats	[02:30]
gribble	Current Blocks: 323110 \| Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 \| Next Difficulty In: 1465 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 32445954336.7 \| Estimated Percent Change: -6.39175	[02:30]
xanthyos	what about a "what illegal things can we get to grow on the whitehouse lawn" sport	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	well that takes time	[02:32]
peterl_	white house weed?	[02:32]
xanthyos	mushrooms pop up overnite	[02:32]
thickasthieves	i always wanted to get an asston of pot seeds and go johnny appleseed across the nation	[02:33]
dub	parts of china are like that apparently	[02:33]
thickasthieves	just make the thing a weed	[02:33]
dub	grows everywhere, locals mostly dont know what it is	[02:33]
peterl_	are seeds expensive?	[02:34]
thickasthieves	dunno	[02:34]
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xanthyos	only if feminized	[02:34]
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mircea_popescu	dude this "solutions" bullshit. everyone and their "solution". you can't buy a fucking corkscrew, it's gotta be a bottle opening solution	[02:34]
thickasthieves	perfect	[02:34]
peterl_	the other question, would growing wild still produce useable product?	[02:34]
dub	eys	[02:34]
dub	yes	[02:34]
xanthyos	it wouldn't be as nice but it would do the trick	[02:35]
thickasthieves	well people would just grow their own if they wanted after that	[02:35]
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peterl_	quantity makes up for low quality?	[02:35]
thickasthieves	cant realli be illegal if it's everywhere	[02:35]
thickasthieves	same for bitcoin really	[02:36]
dub	isnt it already heading that way?	[02:36]
dub	weed not btc	[02:36]
thickasthieves	well its changing quickly	[02:36]
xanthyos	dmt is illegal and it exists in the pineal gland of every brain	[02:36]
thickasthieves	i remember 5 yrs ago i told my wife itd be legal in US in our lifetime and she said no way	[02:37]
thickasthieves	i doubt she'd disagree today	[02:37]
dub	yeah sentiment be changing from the 50s where anything the govt said was true	[02:37]
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peterl_	but will other drugs still be illegal, or will there always be a "off-limits" list?	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	!up AMDCeleron	[02:37]
-assbot-	You voiced AMDCeleron for 30 minutes.	[02:37]
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AMDCeleron	whats up everyone	[02:38]
AMDCeleron	i love the name assbot	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	dub mostly because the govt's been changing. back in the 50s, most of what it said actually was close enough	[02:38]
AMDCeleron	who made assbot?	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	AMDCeleron who're you ?	[02:38]
AMDCeleron	a celeron processor made by amd	[02:38]
peterl_	are you a bot?	[02:38]
AMDCeleron	no	[02:39]
AMDCeleron	i am a loser	[02:39]
AMDCeleron	what are you	[02:39]
AMDCeleron	what are you?	[02:39]
peterl_	I'm a chemist	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	mkay this is not going so well.	[02:39]
AMDCeleron	?	[02:39]
AMDCeleron	intel inside celeron n2830	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	!down AMDCeleron	[02:39]
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mircea_popescu	gimme my voice back.	[02:39]
peterl_	lol	[02:40]
xanthyos	;;gettrust AMDCeleron	[02:40]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user AMDCeleron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=xanthyos&dest=AMDCeleron \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=AMDCeleron \| Rated since: never	[02:40]
peterl_	that was quick, usually you let them play longer	[02:40]
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mircea_popescu	i guess im growing old.	[02:41]
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BingoBoingo	!up meowmix	[02:42]
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mircea_popescu	fucking noobs, check this guy out.	[02:42]
meowmix	hey everyone	[02:42]
meowmix	<3	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	meowmix at least get a cloak, derp.	[02:42]
meowmix	whats a cloak?	[02:42]
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meowmix	whatever	[02:42]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[02:42]
meowmix	who likes hurricane?	[02:42]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1VYZ4EP.txt )	[02:42]
meowmix	!b 5000	[02:43]
jurov	thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150	[02:43]
meowmix	!b 50	[02:43]
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assbot	Last 50 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3DAV6Y0.txt )	[02:43]
BingoBoingo	wait for it...	[02:43]
jurov	and then rbounce	[02:43]
BingoBoingo	!down meowmix	[02:44]
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kakobrekla	yeah buttcoins are getting expensive	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	jesus fuck omfg	[02:48]
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mircea_popescu	dragonfly flew right throug window into my head	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	i thought i was getting shit in slow motion ;/	[02:48]
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mircea_popescu	shot*	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	Has the dragonfly been captured to check for tampering?	[02:49]
Peter_Lambert	one of those micro drones?	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	its an actual dragonfly.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	that was trippy.	[02:50]
BingoBoingo	Next you know Obama's going to be having a good laught about the two dragonflies that fucked on your head while you were sleeping tomorrow night	[02:52]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://listverse.com/2013/04/18/10-surprisingly-brutal-facts-about-dragonflies/	[02:52]
assbot	10 Surprisingly Brutal Facts About Dragonflies - Listverse	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[02:52]
BingoBoingo	We have an insect gap.	[02:52]
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mircea_popescu	"hey miss, could i inspect your insect gap ?"	[02:56]
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thickasthieves	<+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/	[02:59]
assbot	The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:59]
RagnarDanneskjol	Oh	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohcDPgd1V5Y << kickass	[03:01]
assbot	Frog Fail! (Dragonfly escapes frog attack) - YouTube	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool article	[03:01]
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Namworld	Regarding dragonflies... When doing canoe/kayak on a river and being pestered by large black flies. It's fun to watch dragonflies sweep in and catch the flies in flight.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	o ya.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckvBLS58sk << fucking ballet check that out	[03:07]
assbot	Dragonfly Slow Motion - YouTube	[03:07]
Namworld	Eheh	[03:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00075125 = 8.0759 BTC [-]	[03:09]
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BingoBoingo	CuNTs https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j7GNikx7GnU/VClcxRgYiiI/AAAAAAAAEho/Zk25G01pzaU/s1600/cunt.jpg	[03:24]
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BingoBoingo	Vexual: You're up early today	[03:45]
Vexual	yes yes	[03:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17383 @ 0.00075125 = 13.059 BTC [-]	[03:48]
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dub	mircea_popescu: related http://tabletopwhale.com/	[03:58]
assbot	Tabletop Whale	[03:58]
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cazalla	damn, leo treasure got ganked for 750btc	[04:08]
kakobrekla	hows that?	[04:08]
cazalla	http://www.coindesk.com/early-bitcoin-adopter-calls-multi-sig-solutions-750-btc-theft/	[04:08]
assbot	Early Bitcoin Adopter Calls for Multi-Sig Solutions After 750 BTC Theft	[04:08]
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cazalla	every time i've seen him on tv it's because he's been scammed	[04:10]
dub	yeah, 750 should be nothing in teh grander scheme of his losses	[04:10]
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kakobrekla	former computer science student and bitcoin entrepreneur from Perth, Australia, told CoinDesk he was traveling in Bali and didn’t think connecting to public Wi-Fi could be a security issue as his bitcoins were stored locally.	[04:11]
kakobrekla	cmon.	[04:11]
JuliaTourianski	this happened in washington at the meetup...	[04:12]
JuliaTourianski	conference*	[04:12]
JuliaTourianski	circle jerk*	[04:12]
dub	wait his handle is Treasure?	[04:13]
dub	oh	[04:13]
cazalla	Treasureless now	[04:15]
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ben_vulpes	good afternoooooon	[04:19]
Vexual	i don't think multisig is the sultion to his error	[04:22]
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ben_vulpes	please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins` << oh ho why is that?	[04:28]
Vexual	first time bali?	[04:28]
ben_vulpes	wow what the fuck is wrong with you Vexual	[04:28]
ben_vulpes	is there a lunar eclipse wherever you live and you can get out of the coffin out of schedule?	[04:29]
ben_vulpes	solar	[04:29]
Vexual	oh i was talking about leo treasures misfortune	[04:29]
ben_vulpes	dammit	[04:29]
Vexual	and how having another key on that fat wallet migth have brought more misfortune	[04:30]
Vexual	"first time in bali?" is always like the first or second question	[04:32]
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nubbins`	"Treasure’s remaining coins are in multi-sig wallets and Casascius physical coins. "	[04:33]
nubbins`	thickasthieves was saying something about this the other day	[04:33]
nubbins`	well, similar, anyway	[04:35]
nubbins`	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#826634	[04:35]
assbot	Logged on 11-09-2014 17:12:58; ThickAsThieves: well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins	[04:35]
nubbins`	s/sell/be relieved of	[04:36]
dub	Vexual: no shit, always a good idea to carry $.25m on your person where the locals would gut you for a bowl of rice	[04:41]
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mircea_popescu	dub not bad	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	;;seen leotreasure	[04:45]
gribble	leotreasure was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: they're in the final process	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	Multi-sig addresses, he wrote are “the only viable solution for securing bitcoins”. <<< pushing this shit incredibly hard are we.	[04:48]
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mircea_popescu	"The standard model is to require two out of three keys to spend from a balance – of those keys, one goes to the user, one to the service (exchange or wallet) provider and another to a trusted third party." << how the fuck is this going to help anything for crying out loud	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	such nonsense.	[04:48]
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BingoBoingo	Interesting history of a software prng http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014_arc4random/mgp00001.html	[04:49]
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Vexual	balinese dice?	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue.	[04:52]
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mircea_popescu	instead of linking to a coindesk piece, just rewrite it so it's no longer FUCKTARDED, publish it and link that.	[04:52]
Vexual	aren't we here	[04:52]
Vexual	hmm	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	win-win.	[04:52]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, i looked elsewhere but it seems he spoke to them about it	[04:52]
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mircea_popescu	only reason anyone's speaking to them is because of this false perception of "leadership"	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	exactly same reason derps flock to tardstalk	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dqrmx/coindesk_is_deleting_comments_that_question_the/ for that matter.	[04:54]
assbot	Coindesk is deleting comments that question the validity of their articles. : Bitcoin	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	it's a shithole of the first degree, and it only continues to exist because everyone's like... meh, whatever, ragazines.	[04:54]
cazalla	is that an endoresment to start one?	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	it wasn't so bad back when the bitpay & co set of scammers that had stolen bitcoin magazine were still hoping that brand's not now dead,	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	but meanwhile...	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	cazalla definitely.	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	im sick of reading fucktarded goop because that's where people link for a story like that because apparently nobody else wrote it.	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	it's like having all fruit glacee'd in shit. how about someone start a greengrocer already, we don't need any of this glacee business.	[04:55]
kakobrekla	mostly only people who already know the real story are interested in it, not your avg reader	[04:55]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla the average reader'd be interested in where his butthole is, if he could strain his brain enough to learn he even has one.	[04:56]
Vexual	im thinkin paywall	[04:56]
kakobrekla	i think the question 'who are you writing for' is in place	[04:57]
kakobrekla	for us - redundant.	[04:57]
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mircea_popescu	hm.	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	problem is if you let this shit continue indefinitely you'll have an endless stream of idiots with firmly entrenched idiocies.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	"99% don't give a shit about gavin's latest stupidity, but this is not a signal to stfu and go home"	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	"before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!"	[04:59]
*	BingoBoingo wonders where a managing editor might be found. Experience with this seems to be the scarce piece.	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	well done, core devs for a project that massively ignores you.	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the problem is the sort of drive.	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	what's needed is someone willing and able to put 16 hour days into this for years.	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	an arrington is what's needed in this space. and by god this is the chance for someone like that to become something like that.	[04:59]
Vexual	i know little enough to edit	[05:00]
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dub	what we really need is btc onion	[05:01]
kakobrekla	if you let this shit continue < way too much stuff continues to continue and noone can do shit.	[05:01]
cazalla	i'll have a think about it, i don't want to say yes unless i'll actually commit to it and have a plan of attack	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: This is true.	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	dub nah, sa got that covered.	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	cazalla ideally a team.	[05:03]
kakobrekla	and lots of css	[05:03]
TheNewDeal	where is the btc onion? I would like a link	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	no css.	[05:03]
Vexual	rss?	[05:03]
dub	bootstrap?	[05:03]
kakobrekla	html3 and css5	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	and none of the fucktarded retardation of that guy what's his name, the wanna-be competition for coindesk and co,	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	the guy that was here for five minutes but then concluded he has better things to do	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	with the same stupid head that then generated that entire "taking full responsibility" fiasco.	[05:04]
cazalla	coinfire?	[05:05]
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mircea_popescu	right	[05:05]
cazalla	it became even stupider http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/26/lets-get-meta-site-ownership-via-token/	[05:05]
assbot	Let's Get Meta with Site Ownership via Token - Coin Fire	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	it's been going to shit ever since the guy ran out of his 6 months of time and "had to make revenue"	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	his attempts are so naive and idiotic it pains. definitely sunk the modicum of credibility he had amassed within two weeks.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	which is what i mean. no movements like that. you run into management problems, come here and ask.	[05:07]
Vexual	ive got a good title	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	and it's unfortunate, too, because all that was easily avoidable.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	but tim gotta tim all over the tim.	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: http://www.coinion.com/	[05:09]
assbot	The Coinion - Bitcoin's Finest News Source	[05:09]
kakobrekla	you defo need a few persons for this and compensated for	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	you can just exploit the current idiots. read and rewrite coindesk and co.	[05:11]
cazalla	that would be enough to get it off the ground until it has traction	[05:12]
Vexual	that huffington lady got richer with her news aggregator than she did maring into shipping	[05:13]
BingoBoingo	I dunno that Coindesk puts out enough material... Too many non-stories http://feeds.feedburner.com/CoinDesk	[05:13]
assbot	CoinDesk	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	cazalla exactly. and you'll know you got the traction cause they start bitcoing.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	bitching*	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	and it'll be a fine thing too. hurting stuff like coindesk is worth it just on that basis alone.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo to add salt to the cuts you can do a weekly roundup and mock their unpublishable shit.	[05:13]
kakobrekla	go ahead and try then	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski what are you doing these days ?	[05:14]
cazalla	i would want to run something like that by myself at first and bring people in later, too many chefs and all that	[05:15]
Duffer1	what would be written about that isn't already covered by bit-ass?	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: I'd be up for some story authoring, contributing to the cause. The too many chefs problem isn't about having too many people so much as a shitty heirarchy.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 it's mostly a format war.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	cazalla BingoBoingo has it i think. just don't try and run "teams" you'll be fine.	[05:17]
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BingoBoingo	It's the editors/writers problem that among other shit killed Coinfire.	[05:19]
BingoBoingo	Like the Chefs/Cooks problems that makes most people's restaurant dreams fail	[05:19]
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decimation	so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion	[05:19]
assbot	" + soundfiledesc + "	[05:19]
BingoBoingo	Also LibreSSL update for the interested http://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon2014-libressl.html	[05:20]
assbot	LibreSSL: More Than 30 Days Later	[05:20]
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mircea_popescu	decimation something like that.	[05:20]
thestringpuller	what is coinfire?	[05:21]
Vexual	i spent 2 hours of my life wathcing huffingtons interview on abc, it was interesting	[05:21]
decimation	I've looked into the numbers and it is pretty much impossible to verify that total	[05:21]
decimation	but it's also impossible to account for the dollar at all	[05:21]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: Coinfire is this site that was promising for a week and a half then turned full derp	[05:21]
decimation	it's safe to say that usg has a present liability of at least all assets in the entire world, possibly more	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	decimation all that really matters is that the us has underwritten liabilities that exceed its ability to pay.	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	by how much is an academic point.	[05:23]
decimation	yes, the evidence for that statement is quite strong	[05:23]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#850633 << sounds like fun	[05:24]
assbot	Logged on 30-09-2014 02:12:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	and there's no court in the world that can absolve it through a bankruptcy. whether they try to run one or not. kinda the fundamental reason it ended.	[05:24]
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decimation	its choice is to either renig or go broke, it's that simple	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	can't renege.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	and can't go broke.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	it's choice is to start sucking cock or try a totalitarian state play.	[05:24]
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mircea_popescu	it'll try both, fail both, and that's that.	[05:24]
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Vexual	funnily space missions aren't insured generally	[05:26]
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Dimsler	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqAYcqz54cw	[05:28]
assbot	Brooklyn Existentialism - YouTube	[05:28]
Dimsler	such a gem of video	[05:28]
TheNewDeal	truthfully?	[05:29]
Dimsler	yes	[05:29]
Dimsler	disprove all the theories of idiotic englightenment thinkers	[05:30]
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TheNewDeal	for example	[05:31]
Dimsler	those are provided for you in the actual discussion	[05:32]
Dimsler	if you bother to listen to it	[05:32]
decimation	speaking of totalitarian play, Australia is pioneering that one: http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/parliament-bullied-to-pass-national-security-laws-says-greens-senator-scott-ludlam-20140924-10lir9.html	[05:32]
decimation	"Other concerns he and others have raised relate to the lack of whistleblower protections in the new laws, which jail those who "recklessly" disclose intelligence information. That would include journalists, bloggers or officials, who could be jailed for 10 years"	[05:33]
Dimsler	lol australia	[05:34]
Vexual	yep united states sandbox	[05:34]
cazalla	no more waltzing matilda for me	[05:34]
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decimation	I like the "recklessly" in quotes, because they really wanted to say вредительство	[05:36]
Vexual	trasnlation?	[05:36]
Dimsler	its a form of crime	[05:36]
Dimsler	to cause harm	[05:37]
Dimsler	commie lingo	[05:37]
Vexual	more info?	[05:37]
Vexual	\|more	[05:37]
decimation	"wrecker", but hearkening back to RSFSR penal codes that allow anyone to be jailed because they were found to be thwarting the great leader's plans	[05:37]
Dimsler	the term means to sabotage a political insititue	[05:37]
cazalla	interestingly, google image search for вредительство shows wrecking balls	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	the term means to pose a threat to the delusions of sovereignity of one less powerful.	[05:38]
Vexual	hmm	[05:38]
Vexual	ahh	[05:38]
Dimsler	yes	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	in the original case, the "workers" and their "party"	[05:38]
decimation	in pratice, anyone who was 'volunteered' to go to the gulag by someone who wanted to 'prove' how powerful they were	[05:39]
decimation	mircea made some good points on this subject but I think the logs were lost	[05:41]
TheNewDeal	dimsler, are marx and freud considered enlightenment thinkers to you?	[05:41]
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mircea_popescu	decimation im sure i still have them, somewhere. i dun recall this discussion tho.	[05:55]
decimation	you wrote about how those who went to the gulag were volunteers (or volunteered) by people who wanted to be somebodies	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	lessee	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	!s from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag	[05:57]
assbot	0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+volunteer+gulag	[05:57]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747378	[05:58]
assbot	Logged on 07-07-2014 10:46:38; mircea_popescu: well... the gulag wasn't avoidable, not practically.	[05:58]
aabtc	aegis agamemno123 agorecki AlexWkz altoz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	o there we go. ty asciilifeform	[05:58]
thickasthieves	<+mircea_popescu> cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. /// seems like these things never last though, the talent scatters so quickly these days. i'm into the idea though	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, gulag references are very sparse in the year before stan showed up	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves which is why drive's what's needed yeah	[05:59]
thickasthieves	just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :)	[06:01]
decimation	as I recall assbot was down when the conversation I recall happened - or I could be wrong	[06:02]
asciilifeform	incidentally, interesting to examine etymology of gulag	[06:02]
Vexual	sounds like hungarian stew to my ear	[06:03]
asciilifeform	гулаг == главное управление лагерей и мест заключения ~= 'main management of camps and places of confinement.'	[06:03]
asciilifeform	so it's really a proxy word, like 'mikado' (door to throne room) in japan, or 'the crown' in english world	[06:03]
thickasthieves	gulash + lag	[06:03]
thickasthieves	goulash*	[06:04]
thickasthieves	they called it "american chop suey" in my elementary school	[06:04]
TheNewDeal	dimsler, despite the disagreement on who are Enlightment thinkers, this video has been six sigmas above the average quality of youtube content	[06:05]
cazalla	most importantly, do i name the site prefixcoin.com, coinsuffix.com or perhaps even bitsuffix.com	[06:06]
thickasthieves	call it The Biz	[06:07]
Vexual	period0	[06:07]
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cazalla	blockchaim.com seeing it's all jews	[06:08]
thickasthieves	shaveandahaircut.bit	[06:08]
punkman	cazalla: or you could have neither bit or coin, you know something different	[06:08]
decimation	someone should apply for the .coin tld	[06:09]
cazalla	punkman, i was being facetious, from memory trilema recommends domain with first 2 letters unique to other sites one visits	[06:09]
thickasthieves	i joked about IPOing a fund to buy crypto-TLDs	[06:10]
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thickasthieves	news.club is only $20	[06:10]
thickasthieves	there's a news.wtf	[06:11]
thickasthieves	heh	[06:11]
Vexual	club is goode	[06:11]
thickasthieves	so many domains now	[06:11]
punkman	too many	[06:11]
kakobrekla	it turns out you can just print them	[06:11]
kakobrekla	like money!	[06:11]
thickasthieves	but .com is so much more valuable	[06:11]
thickasthieves	!	[06:12]
punkman	I grabbed a .company, to be revealed	[06:12]
cazalla	bit.press	[06:12]
thickasthieves	disassociated.press	[06:12]
punkman	I vote for chumpatron.whatever	[06:12]
Vexual	meh	[06:12]
TheNewDeal	derponomics	[06:13]
cazalla	chumpatron.com avail heh	[06:13]
thickasthieves	disassociated.press must exist already	[06:13]
Vexual	if it doesnt, it shoudn't	[06:13]
thickasthieves	lol	[06:13]
thickasthieves	call it rooters then	[06:14]
punkman	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociated_press	[06:14]
assbot	Dissociated press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:14]
thickasthieves	different word tho	[06:15]
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punkman	I like that one better	[06:15]
thickasthieves	i can tget over these stupid Frank & Oak ads	[06:16]
thickasthieves	what did i buy to deserve this	[06:16]
Vexual	rooters lol	[06:16]
thickasthieves	could rip off the Hooters logo	[06:17]
thickasthieves	hire saffron to do the summary thing	[06:17]
kakobrekla	that woman is annoying to watch.	[06:18]
Vexual	hes all business this cunt	[06:18]
thickasthieves	well thats why she gets naked	[06:18]
punkman	heh	[06:18]
kakobrekla	only makes it worse	[06:18]
thickasthieves	fine dont hire her!	[06:19]
kakobrekla	lol i dun care	[06:19]
thickasthieves	:)	[06:19]
punkman	so much derp http://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2014/09/04/mens-fashion-frank-and-oak-15-million/	[06:19]
assbot	Millennial Men's Fashion Retailer Frank And Oak Raises $15 Million - Forbes	[06:19]
punkman	"We love commerce, especially new forms of e-commerce which are mobile first,"	[06:20]
thickasthieves	let's make Ernest Hemingway a metrosexual! great idea, here's $15m!	[06:20]
Vexual	thats like 7/10ths of asicminer	[06:21]
dub	derpington post?	[06:21]
TheNewDeal	nothing must be a better bubble predicter than the success of usian fashion businesses	[06:22]
punkman	http://recode.net/2014/07/31/nordstrom-will-pay-350-million-for-trunk-club/	[06:22]
assbot	Nordstrom Will Pay $350 Million for Trunk Club \| Re/code	[06:22]
thickasthieves	we're trailblazers in trailblazing	[06:22]
punkman	mobile first trailblazing	[06:23]
thickasthieves	i'm a fan of selling things where i can sell things	[06:23]
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Vexual	nice first exit; i like the style	[06:23]
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mircea_popescu	thickasthieves> just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) <<< nah the problem is that ba blogs are author driven, and authors can't generally be arsed to discuss events like leotreasure getting stolen from.	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	this is why a newspaper is not just editors. gotta have someone out there on the beat, too	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	call it The Biz <<< this is a great idea.	[06:39]
asciilifeform	leotreasure getting stolen from << lol, so that's an 'event' ? squirrel run over on my street, also 'event' ?	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	I grabbed a .company, to be revealed << o ?	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes. people wanna talk about these, and so coindesk ends up linked.	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	this is a problem/	[06:41]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: planning for that coin I mentioned	[06:50]
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JuliaTourianski	mircea_popescu you know coindesk does not pay their writers in btc? also, they change 90% of their writers' articles without conscent.	[07:00]
punkman	JuliaTourianski: do you know what they pay per article?	[07:01]
punkman	$10-$20?	[07:01]
JuliaTourianski	mircea_popescu and to answer your question, I'm posting things like this: "If you're gonna off yourself because of the bitcoin 'price crash', do us all a favor and turn off your mining operation first." because i mean it.	[07:02]
JuliaTourianski	punkman erm i can ask	[07:02]
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cazalla	JuliaTourianski, do you mine?	[07:09]
JuliaTourianski	cazalla no, do u	[07:10]
cazalla	why would you want them to switch off before offing themselves?	[07:11]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski, i have a miner but it's really just for fun	[07:11]
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punkman	JuliaTourianski: it's good for you when other's lose their coins	[07:12]
JuliaTourianski	cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining.	[07:13]
punkman	;;bc,stats	[07:14]
gribble	Current Blocks: 323135 \| Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 \| Next Difficulty In: 1440 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 32430956879.6 \| Estimated Percent Change: -6.43502	[07:14]
punkman	are we betting against difficulty yet	[07:14]
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cazalla	only once and i won that bet, never again	[07:16]
punkman	I'm guessing the big miners can keep the lights on for a while	[07:17]
punkman	even at $350	[07:17]
xanthyos	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BywN6UVCQAAowRK.png	[07:17]
cazalla	actually that's not right, i've won no a few times	[07:17]
decimation	people are paying to rent above what they can find mining (in btc)	[07:17]
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The20YearIRCloud	Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor	[07:18]
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decimation	congrats!	[07:19]
cazalla	good luck bro	[07:19]
The20YearIRCloud	And interestingly enough, there's multiple contraction timers for android	[07:20]
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ben_vulpes	midwest water birth?	[07:20]
ben_vulpes	> tub of corn syrup	[07:20]
The20YearIRCloud	We're going to the hospital	[07:20]
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ben_vulpes	ah	[07:20]
dub	just stopped to tell the internet	[07:21]
ben_vulpes	so 50/g corn syurp tub	[07:21]
The20YearIRCloud	at some point	[07:21]
ben_vulpes	$50/g	[07:21]
The20YearIRCloud	She's not a fan of the homebirth/waterbirth/ect	[07:21]
cazalla	just cut it out, over in 15m	[07:21]
ben_vulpes	cunt intact	[07:21]
ben_vulpes	downsides?	[07:21]
cazalla	downside is i had to do everything for like 6 weeks	[07:22]
The20YearIRCloud	Although my brother's wife was into it , and she had to end up being rushed to the hospital	[07:22]
ben_vulpes	modern hospitals offer modern birth	[07:22]
The20YearIRCloud	The recovery for C-Section is much longer, and risk of infection is much higher	[07:22]
ben_vulpes	dafuq is going on over there	[07:22]
ben_vulpes	water* birth	[07:22]
The20YearIRCloud	Hospitals certainly are nice, the thing I hate about some of them though is how un-clean their rooms are	[07:22]
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ben_vulpes	can't win for america-ing	[07:23]
The20YearIRCloud	But thankfully the one that's near us has a specific wing for only birthing, nothing else	[07:23]
-JuliaTourianski-	also shooting trap. because fun	[07:23]
ben_vulpes	good grief gmail now shows a link to "view pull request in webview"	[07:25]
ben_vulpes	pretty sure this must be old as i don't really gmail too much	[07:25]
ben_vulpes	well, "view pull request" in list view of mails	[07:26]
cazalla	how many kids ya got The20YearIRCloud	[07:31]
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The20YearIRCloud	2 plus this one	[07:31]
cazalla	know what you're having this time?	[07:32]
ben_vulpes	!up Vexual	[07:32]
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ben_vulpes	;;ident Vexual	[07:33]
gribble	Nick 'Vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified.	[07:33]
Vexual	shoa	[07:33]
Vexual	ahh	[07:33]
ben_vulpes	lol Vexual can't up sober	[07:33]
Vexual	20 year, think you might wanna warm the engine and check the fluids?	[07:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13317 @ 0.00075139 = 10.0063 BTC [+] {2}	[07:34]
The20YearIRCloud	Hospital is 5 minutes away	[07:36]
The20YearIRCloud	I could throw her in a wheelbarrow if I had to i guess and wal kthere	[07:36]
Vexual	all about the re	[07:37]
dub	thats what got him into this mess	[07:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11813 @ 0.00075151 = 8.8776 BTC [+] {2}	[07:39]
Vexual	10 im truly poweless	[07:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10352 @ 0.00075272 = 7.7922 BTC [+]	[07:41]
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punkman	https://github.com/gordonwritescode/cointract.me	[07:44]
assbot	gordonwritescode/cointract.me GitHub	[07:44]
punkman	color made me think it was python for a sec	[07:45]
ben_vulpes	Vexual: i dunno how to help, boss	[07:45]
Vexual	ne sweat, jusy keep being the boss	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	tasty tasty js	[07:46]
punkman	https://cointract.me/jobs/542909c5bcda2c3a3a6fe374	[07:46]
assbot	Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	fwiw i never got insight to build	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	"build"	[07:46]
Vexual	you'll be my go to guy	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	ran into a npm hell-tuation	[07:46]
ben_vulpes	punkman: " built in Laravel or another OOP PHP framework"	[07:47]
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punkman	oppressed.me is a lulzy domain	[07:47]
Vexual	for js	[07:48]
punkman	check the deedbot clone https://cointract.me/jobs/54290539bcda2c3a3a6fe36b	[07:48]
assbot	Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.	[07:48]
punkman	"user can choose to pay a bit extra to receive a notarized document attesting to the science and accuracy of the upload that should hold up in court without having to hire a Bitcoin expert. "	[07:49]
Vexual	time not important, only results	[07:49]
punkman	!up MolokoDesk	[07:50]
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ben_vulpes	Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp7CYvh8FwA#t=224	[07:52]
assbot	Mastodon "The Motherload" (Official Music Video) - YouTube	[07:52]
Vexual	big bada boom in the cab	[07:53]
*	Vexual looking	[07:53]
Duffer1	good lord	[07:53]
ben_vulpes	bouncy bouncy	[07:54]
Vexual	duly noted	[07:54]
punkman	https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/512794761254551554	[07:56]
assbot	If you are going to sell 0 day (which I don't recommend), using a convicted felon as a broker seems unnecessarily risky.	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	what ?	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski yes i know.	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining. << this is like the first clever thing i recall you saying	[08:00]
JuliaTourianski	"and then kill yourself". don't omit that	[08:01]
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mircea_popescu	:p	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud> Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor << mazel tov	[08:03]
mircea_popescu	dub> just stopped to tell the internet << the wot dood. tis important.,	[08:04]
The20YearIRCloud	is mazeltov one of those labor/birth things?	[08:05]
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mircea_popescu	color made me think it was python for a sec << lol colorcoded codes ?	[08:06]
mircea_popescu	The20YearIRCloud well it's financial for "good luck"	[08:07]
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The20YearIRCloud	I don't know many jews/people that speek yidish	[08:07]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: re commits, if an individual copied and pasted a block of code, i'm going to have a hard time believing that they actually understand it.	[08:07]
Vexual	i wonder if mircea_popescu knows how fortuitous it is for a dragonfly to collide with a dragons head	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes why ?	[08:08]
ben_vulpes	experience.	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	when people repeat what the priest tells them to say ?	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	you gonna annull all mariages now ?	[08:08]
ben_vulpes	copy pasted code in my experience is rarely understood.	[08:08]
ben_vulpes	what is a marriage? what does the priest have to say matter a whit?	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	point being, people copy/paste code to get married.	[08:09]
ben_vulpes	i don't understand all of the rules i'm bound by under the contract i've entered into with usg and lady v	[08:09]
ben_vulpes	what i do understand are the rules that bind her to me.	[08:09]
mircea_popescu	dun worry, they'll come back to byte.	[08:09]
Vexual	ug	[08:10]
ben_vulpes	that's the point i'm making - i copy pasted that code, so to speak, without understanding it.	[08:10]
ben_vulpes	shit's going to get messy w/r/t taxes etc	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[08:11]
ben_vulpes	hm wat	[08:11]
Vexual	you tell em yuo live in the volcano in balinese, you'll soon know if theyre from java	[08:13]
ben_vulpes	(on another topic, i concede that you're right as always about plagiarised commits: the signature only implies responsibility for the contents)	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	hm im considering your theory.	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	seems drastic.	[08:13]
ben_vulpes	under lawcode, i cannot actually know what i'm bound by.	[08:14]
ben_vulpes	this is derived from your "no groups, only individuals" theories.	[08:15]
Vexual	yeah	[08:16]
Vexual	i know what your grandmother knows instills more frear than i know what you dont know	[08:16]
punkman	ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then?	[08:16]
Vexual	its better to say no and smile ho	[08:16]
Vexual	even better, dont bring a macbook with a million bucks and a bitcoin tshirt, the shit will dissapear before the chloroform kicks in	[08:18]
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ben_vulpes	punkman: transfer of ownership, so to speak.	[08:18]
Vexual	first time in bali?	[08:18]
punkman	ben_vulpes: bencode don't do that?	[08:19]
ben_vulpes	assuredly does, but what machines run that code?	[08:20]
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Vexual	oshit	[08:22]
ben_vulpes	punkman: v machine: of course. k machine: indubitably. f machine? not so much. usg machine? not in my wildest dreams.	[08:23]
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ben_vulpes	what is a marriage to the wot?	[08:24]
ben_vulpes	hm.	[08:24]
punkman	well the two machines that matter run it	[08:24]
ben_vulpes	do only two machines matter?	[08:25]
dub	Vexual: cialis brother, valium, viaaaaaggar	[08:25]
Vexual	rampage	[08:25]
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punkman	ben_vulpes: the more the merrier of course :P	[08:28]
Vexual	summon pankakke	[08:32]
Vexual	;;gogle 212 piff	[08:32]
gribble	Error: "gogle" is not a valid command.	[08:32]
Vexual	remeber that time?	[08:35]
Vexual	do you even mine?	[08:35]
Vexual	yes yes	[08:36]
Vexual	yes yes	[08:37]
Vexual	;;seen pankakke	[08:41]
gribble	I have not seen pankakke.	[08:41]
Vexual	;;seen pankkake	[08:41]
gribble	pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-brokers-trade-millions-without-exchange/	[08:41]
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Vexual	how quaint	[08:43]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJJV1nruUUA	[08:47]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II	[08:53]
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Vexual	extacy is called barney coz of the previous	[08:53]
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Vexual	an dso is the affect of the colony petey	[08:54]
Vexual	you can check that on eatabilty	[08:56]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuqEbRzy_t8 leave your mobile phone at home and come alone	[08:57]
Vexual	perlboy	[08:58]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt << cardanomerch is going to be as popular as sumerian urmerch. but hey, nonzero!	[09:01]
Vexual	hell do any dye you liek	[09:02]
Vexual	phase change and all	[09:02]
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Vexual	;;lasers	[09:03]
Vexual	really?	[09:03]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[09:03]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947tGsiv4lQ	[09:03]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants << "honey, is that a revolucion in your pocket? or..."	[09:04]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!'	[09:07]
pete_dushenski	kakobrekla:isnt that a bit fast << lel	[09:07]
Vexual	leets look for truths	[09:09]
Vexual	got any?	[09:10]
Vexual	will you eat bacon in australie pete?	[09:10]
Vexual	it's kinda becoming a thing lately	[09:11]
mircea_popescu	punkman> ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then? << lawlcode :D	[09:11]
pete_dushenski	Vexual: absolutely	[09:12]
pete_dushenski	it's kinda been a thing in north america since always	[09:13]
Vexual	somethong missing from taht version is the cadillac bit	[09:13]
Vexual	its like the prche bit, but more american	[09:13]
pete_dushenski	nao it's bacon-flavoured toast, coffee, pizza pops, you name it.	[09:13]
Vexual	pizza pop?	[09:14]
punkman	it pops because microwave	[09:14]
pete_dushenski	it's a pillsbury food-like product	[09:14]
ben_vulpes	mircea_popescu: lawskycode	[09:15]
Vexual	youll go better with my itinery	[09:15]
ben_vulpes	nite all	[09:15]
pete_dushenski	plastic dough wrapped around plastic cheese and pseudomeat	[09:15]
pete_dushenski	later ben_vulpes !	[09:15]
Vexual	weird cunt	[09:15]
pete_dushenski	lol	[09:15]
Vexual	thats my little brother right there	[09:15]
pete_dushenski	it's sorta like a fleshlight for the mircowave	[09:16]
Vexual	all on js and erything else	[09:16]
pete_dushenski	http://www.delish.com/food-fun/weird-bacon-products#slide-9 << bacon ice cream	[09:16]
assbot	Best Bacon Products – Bizarre Bacon Food - Delish.com	[09:16]
Vexual	thats not a thing	[09:16]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikR3PT3Zb7Q&list=UUYjk_zY-iYR8YNfJmuzd70A	[09:18]
assbot	Bacon Tart - Handle It - YouTube	[09:18]
pete_dushenski	a bacon tart is	[09:18]
Vexual	ill reiterate my sydney itinery with \|more info if u like pete	[09:19]
Vexual	the ferry will cure your ails	[09:20]
Vexual	the boss at doyles will tell you every shit happening noetjh of the river	[09:20]
Vexual	china town is real	[09:20]
punkman	I accidentally bought a thing of "yoghurt-like dessert", they were hiding it among the real yoghurt	[09:20]
xanthyos	the microwaveable fleshlight is called the bagel	[09:21]
punkman	not sweetened or anything, why do they call it dessert	[09:21]
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Vexual	ug yoghurt	[09:21]
Vexual	bring me meat	[09:21]
mircea_popescu	punkman because "dessert" is not a regulated word	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	you can call stuff scraped off the sidewalk "dessert".	[09:22]
pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicMealTime/videos << in case anyone here hasn't seen what american men aspire to accomplish in the kitchen	[09:22]
assbot	Epic Meal Time - YouTube	[09:22]
punkman	and "frozen dessert" for all packaged ice cream	[09:22]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: you can call scraped from the pond "escargot" too	[09:23]
pete_dushenski	though i suppose that's a little more tightly regulated	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	depends where.	[09:23]
mircea_popescu	not in france say.	[09:23]
pete_dushenski	c'est quoi?	[09:24]
pete_dushenski	this i did not know	[09:24]
punkman	suggestion: escargot fried in olive oil with rosemary and bacon	[09:27]
punkman	if only I could get some decent bacon	[09:28]
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Vexual	theres a place for escargot in wooloomaloo	[09:31]
Vexual	on the main strip	[09:31]
Vexual	good wine list for luch	[09:31]
Vexual	gets cokey after dark	[09:32]
Vexual	le somethng	[09:32]
pete_dushenski	not entirely my cup of tea but if they can do escargot properly i'm sure it ain't all bad	[09:35]
Vexual	well theres duck	[09:35]
pete_dushenski	a now we're talking	[09:35]
Vexual	i dont eat snails either	[09:35]
Vexual	the boss is asian	[09:35]
Vexual	yes homo	[09:36]
Vexual	breads good too	[09:36]
Vexual	dunno where hes from, mental case	[09:36]
Vexual	no somellier	[09:37]
Vexual	prolly trolly you if yu o just want wine for lunch	[09:37]
Vexual	can u find it pete?	[09:38]
pete_dushenski	i'm sure :)	[09:38]
Vexual	i go to syney for work sometimes and i like alcohol frriendly places	[09:40]
Vexual	i saw angelina jolie one time, and she dint ven connect my wifi	[09:43]
Vexual	such haxor	[09:44]
RagnarDanneskjol	omk	[09:46]
Vexual	trasnslation?	[09:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	ud	[09:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	whatever teh command is	[09:47]
Vexual	kittens?	[09:47]
RagnarDanneskjol	thats the one	[09:47]
Vexual	;;laserkittens	[09:47]
gribble	ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew	[09:47]
mircea_popescu	as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles.	[09:48]
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Vexual	such 2014	[09:48]
mircea_popescu	there's exactly 1006 of 'em.	[09:49]
Vexual	bb will be devo	[09:49]
pete_dushenski	;;ticker	[09:50]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 375.15, Best ask: 376.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 376.36, 24 hour volume: 17537.17319404, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272762684	[09:50]
RagnarDanneskjol	1006 trilemas?	[09:50]
[]bot	Bet placed: 8 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 45(Y):55(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,166.	[09:50]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol in english. there's like 5k or so in romanian	[09:50]
RagnarDanneskjol	Oh, well it would seem worth publishing the first 1k into hardback version. yes definetly should	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	5823 actually.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	that 1k is like >1mn words. would take a shelf.	[09:51]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[09:51]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 375.17, Best ask: 376.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.83000, Last trade: 376.34, 24 hour volume: 17416.49132993, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272782225	[09:51]
RagnarDanneskjol	that many. I have lotta reading to do. the translations are pretty rough	[09:51]
Vexual	all kinda girls devo, dont discount the romainian angle	[09:51]
RagnarDanneskjol	at least an ebook then.	[09:52]
punkman	mircea_popescu: dump them in mthreat's thing so we can search	[09:53]
RagnarDanneskjol	well, ned to pay for it somehow	[09:53]
punkman	you just get a snippet and link, credits as usual	[09:54]
RagnarDanneskjol	ok - i dont know mthreats thing	[09:54]
BingoBoingo	as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles. << I guess Imma have to get reading practice from footnotes nao...	[09:54]
Vexual	imma take yo to the ballet bb	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you could also use the archive, it's by month/year	[09:55]
mircea_popescu	punkman google does a decent jerb!	[09:56]
BingoBoingo	Well, I could	[09:56]
BingoBoingo	imma take yo to the ballet bb << You don't need to use code words for strip club here	[09:56]
Vexual	no i mean thw ballet	[09:56]
pete_dushenski	thickasthieves: <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible << she floats like a duck, burn her!	[09:56]
pete_dushenski	the nutcracker!	[09:57]
Vexual	i talk too mxch therwe too	[09:57]
pete_dushenski	not enough people talk at the ballet	[09:58]
Vexual	never felt alspeep yet tho	[09:58]
punkman	!s from:mircea_popescu fuck google	[09:58]
assbot	19 results for 'from:mircea_popescu fuck google' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+fuck+google	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	!s from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies	[09:58]
assbot	0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+i+love+google+and+want+to+have+its+babies	[09:58]
pete_dushenski	http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/29/firechat-messaging-app-gains-users-during-hong-kong-protests/	[09:58]
assbot	FireChat Messaging App Gains Users During Hong Kong Protests - Digits - WSJ	[09:58]
mircea_popescu	odd.	[09:58]
Vexual	fail	[09:59]
pete_dushenski	https://itunes.apple.com/app/id719829352?mt=8&&referrer=click%3D3219c86e-2bd6-4eee-ba61-0b8f9e525b43 << kinda interesting… internetless messaging	[09:59]
assbot	FireChat on the App Store on iTunes	[09:59]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 55(Y):45(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,149.	[10:00]
Vexual	this is why kong kong apot petey	[10:00]
pete_dushenski	"The app is very good. The concept is also genius. What I don't care for are ma lot of people who aren't nice, or whose language isn't adequate to use when there are minors online. It's almost as if it needed a moderator in some of the chat rooms. Don't take me wrong p, I like the App a lot and that's why I gave it four stars."	[10:00]
pete_dushenski	^some pretty derpy comments on the app page eg.	[10:01]
mircea_popescu	and on that note ima be off. laters all! see you @500 tomorro!	[10:01]
Vexual	cunt	[10:01]
Vexual	wait for 3 weeks mp	[10:01]
Vexual	im still liquidatinbg assets	[10:01]
pete_dushenski	ciao!	[10:02]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXztxNSuArQ	[10:04]
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pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/516754881739505664	[10:06]
assbot	/hashtag/sibos2014?src=hash cliff notes: finance movers & shakers love the blockchain & /VitalikButerin; shit on /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash the currency.	[10:06]
pete_dushenski	fuckin assbot no le gusta hashtags	[10:06]
Vexual	no shit, you only jave to learn to dump shit once	[10:07]
pete_dushenski	more to the point, assbot can't make heads or tails of twobitidiot	[10:07]
Vexual	pardon me?	[10:07]
pete_dushenski	eh? what's to pardon?	[10:08]
Vexual	are you referring to me and asking for resturant advice?	[10:09]
pete_dushenski	neither really	[10:10]
Vexual	good answer	[10:13]
[]bot	Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 58(Y):42(N) by coin, 48(Y):52(N) by weight. Total bet: 56.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,127.	[10:14]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alyx4QeRRdg	[10:15]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" << sometimes the unbathed masses find glimmers of light shining through from under the door. most of them are happy to have any light at all, not even noticing that there's a door handle hitting them in the forehead. a few will see the door handle at all. fewer still will give it a twist... and end up here.	[10:15]
dub	sydney? eat at Mr Chows in the rocks then drink at stitch or mojo	[10:16]
dub	dont bother with the baxter	[10:17]
Vexual	wha??	[10:17]
pete_dushenski	a brouhaha!	[10:18]
Vexual	seems veryone loves the glittert city	[10:19]
pete_dushenski	Vexual: dub in case you own houses: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2014/09/30/australias-options-as-it-seeks-to-douse-house-prices/	[10:21]
assbot	Australias Options as It Seeks to Douse House Prices - Real Time Economics - WSJ	[10:21]
dub	!australia here	[10:21]
pete_dushenski	dub: what you can't own foreign real estate now?	[10:22]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r34MG8b_Z3A	[10:23]
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pete_dushenski	Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens, a long-term critic of so-called macroprudential policies aimed at dousing house prices, did an about-face last week, indicating for the first time that they may have a place. “It’s a worth a try,” Mr. Stevens said last week. “The worst that could happen is that it doesn’t have any effect.”	[10:24]
pete_dushenski	^ because adverse effects are impossibru when you also control the stats dept	[10:24]
pete_dushenski	such lulz those central bankers	[10:24]
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pete_dushenski	decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion << too low? (i usually like russ btw)	[10:28]
assbot	" + soundfiledesc + "	[10:28]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gItT2XTcW64	[10:30]
Vexual	dont let nobody tax youy	[10:31]
cazalla	property is so fucked here	[10:34]
Vexual	how so?	[10:36]
cazalla	cost is too high so every cunt is subdividing and building even more sardine cans	[10:38]
Vexual	resisentiua;?	[10:38]
Vexual	try commerical if they dont like the lightwitch you gotta change it	[10:39]
Vexual	its the fuckin rools	[10:39]
Vexual	enhancing criminal intent	[10:42]
Vexual	im making goulash	[10:43]
cazalla	yum	[10:43]
cazalla	having steak and salad, gonna put some meat through the mincer so little one can have his first try of red meat	[10:44]
Vexual	its fail but delicious	[10:44]
pete_dushenski	g'day ozzies!	[10:45]
Vexual	let the sprog xhew it	[10:45]
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Vexual	fucxin mincer	[10:45]
cazalla	he can't, almost 9 months and no teeth yet	[10:45]
Vexual	well let him wait	[10:46]
cazalla	nah, i want to get some red meat into him	[10:46]
Vexual	tru dat	[10:46]
Vexual	hes got teeth?	[10:47]
Vexual	dont mince it all	[10:47]
cazalla	no, none yet, seems like he has been teething for months but nothing has come through yet	[10:47]
cazalla	not so bad, missus complains he bites the titty, having teeth would make it worse	[10:48]
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Vexual	steak then	[10:49]
cazalla	choking hazard	[10:49]
Vexual	well its steak or tit	[10:50]
cazalla	put it through mincer, can give him small spoonfuls at a time	[10:50]
Vexual	meh, its your kid	[10:50]
cazalla	so i'm told	[10:50]
Vexual	dont blame me if it somees out a furry	[10:51]
cazalla	lol	[10:51]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9EKqQWPjyo	[10:53]
cazalla	see coinjar.com will be charging 10% gst on bitcoin from 3rd next month	[10:56]
cazalla	https://blog.coinjar.com/2014/09/30/how-the-new-ato-guidance-affects-coinjar-users/	[10:56]
assbot	How the New ATO Guidance Affects CoinJar Users \| CoinJar Blog	[10:56]
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RagnarDanneskjol	crikey	[10:57]
Vexual	such is life	[10:58]
Vexual	i sold some coin thru coinjar, they took twice what i staked	[10:59]
Vexual	took em a week to solve it, never again	[10:59]
Vexual	face to face perhaps	[10:59]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBDIMkE3Qeg	[11:02]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD-pqEdjgLQ	[11:09]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGaPCqfHnU	[11:22]
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RagnarDanneskjol	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-0Eo0Yk0o	[11:27]
assbot	Buju Banton - Untold Stories - YouTube	[11:27]
cazalla	you 2 and your nignog tunes	[11:29]
Vexual	lol	[11:31]
Vexual	itll get worse before it gets better	[11:31]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glPTmDWDzLw	[11:32]
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RagnarDanneskjol	that is odd	[11:36]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjdg_D5YQY	[11:37]
RagnarDanneskjol	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEpJPrXiiYA	[11:38]
assbot	Com Truise - Data Kiss - YouTube	[11:38]
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cazalla	muhfuggen bix nood	[11:39]
Vexual	sawahha?	[11:40]
RagnarDanneskjol	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAHo7H2ZkNc	[11:41]
assbot	FOE - A Handsome Stranger Called Death (Com Truise Remix) - YouTube	[11:41]
Vexual	you know cazalla a lot of that huffington interview is a bout guinea pigs and how to dispactch dem	[11:41]
cazalla	??	[11:43]
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cazalla	guinea pigs euphemism for?	[11:44]
Vexual	eat tehm replace them, the wholew nine kards	[11:45]
cazalla	have you eaten them?	[11:46]
Vexual	no	[11:47]
Vexual	i understand the concept	[11:47]
cazalla	seem too cute to eat	[11:47]
Vexual	meh	[11:47]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wtncm2yzUE	[11:49]
cazalla	Vexual, you been drinking all day?	[11:50]
Vexual	what day is it?	[11:50]
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cazalla	tuesday	[11:52]
Vexual	yes	[11:52]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIRR1KstYj0	[11:53]
cazalla	do you know your boi bangs Vexual	[11:54]
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cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchaAtrwkE4 he lives in some houso area in western suburbs of melb	[11:55]
assbot	Bangs - 'Meet Me On Facebook' Exclusive - [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube	[11:55]
Vexual	rampant victorians	[11:56]
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MolokoDesk	deedBot is ready for another stress test. if someone wants to /invite deedBot we can give it a go.	[11:58]
Vexual	toothless fans liivin in vans	[11:58]
MolokoDesk	(looks like assbot is the only op)	[11:59]
RagnarDanneskjol	theres a command to sne to bot 'less you changed	[11:59]
RagnarDanneskjol	send to bot	[11:59]
MolokoDesk	oh duh.	[11:59]
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RagnarDanneskjol	yep	[11:59]
MolokoDesk	thanx.	[11:59]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[12:00]
MolokoDesk	not voices	[12:00]
RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot	[12:00]
MolokoDesk	!up deedBot	[12:00]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[12:00]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[12:00]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[12:00]
deedBot	time=1412067497 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412064000 elapsed=3497	[12:00]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)	[12:00]
MolokoDesk	that only has to be done once. in the future it won't have to be done at all. (make #bitcoin-assets the home channel)	[12:00]
MolokoDesk	.balance	[12:00]
deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu	[12:00]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM	[12:01]
deedBot	Bundled:	[12:02]
MolokoDesk	.deed http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh	[12:02]
assbot	test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com	[12:02]
deedBot	deed 72F18AA55B8D4EBE not trusted.	[12:02]
deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:02]
deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:02]
deedBot	Found 2 valid and 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh	[12:02]
assbot	test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com	[12:02]
MolokoDesk	just missed the hour mark. I see it's announing null bundles.	[12:03]
MolokoDesk	.deed http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6 (ALF,RD)	[12:03]
deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:03]
deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:03]
deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6	[12:03]
assbot	deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com	[12:03]
assbot	deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com	[12:03]
RagnarDanneskjol	.deed http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E	[12:04]
deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:04]
deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:04]
deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E	[12:04]
assbot	testing - Pastebin.com	[12:04]
assbot	testing - Pastebin.com	[12:04]
RagnarDanneskjol	huh - first deed doesnt list one of the signers oddly	[12:04]
MolokoDesk	assbot doesn't enjoy the recapitulation of the URL	[12:04]
RagnarDanneskjol	all others are fine	[12:05]
MolokoDesk	it has unicode in the ---BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--- header	[12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh	[12:05]
assbot	test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com	[12:05]
MolokoDesk	so it's not a valid signed message block.	[12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	that one	[12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	nope it is	[12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	one from bingo	[12:05]
MolokoDesk	the weird unicode dashes are valid?	[12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	unless he changed his key	[12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	beats hell outta me	[12:05]
MolokoDesk	oh I see.	[12:06]
MolokoDesk	let me check the trust metric on that.	[12:06]
RagnarDanneskjol	other one is fine lists ascii and me	[12:06]
MolokoDesk	there's one test file that has the unicode issue. I see what you mean though here.	[12:06]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOH15_pqWZ4	[12:07]
MolokoDesk	gribble's claiming there's no such user for that key	[12:07]
MolokoDesk	;;gribble info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE	[12:08]
gribble	Error: "gribble" is not a valid command.	[12:08]
MolokoDesk	;;gpg info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE	[12:08]
gribble	No such user registered.	[12:08]
RagnarDanneskjol	investigating	[12:08]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewgpg.php?nick=BingoBoingo	[12:09]
assbot	#bitcoin-otc gpg key data	[12:09]
RagnarDanneskjol	yep different	[12:09]
RagnarDanneskjol	NEVERmind - I thought that was original one with his sig	[12:10]
RagnarDanneskjol	forget it . is fine	[12:10]
Vexual	.dont wurry	[12:11]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g12f7uDIGZc	[12:12]
MolokoDesk	wondering if assbot will ignore url's without the http ... pastebin.com/gQpeau7E	[12:13]
MolokoDesk	ok. I'll re-announce them without the protocol prefix	[12:14]
RagnarDanneskjol	i think it still does	[12:14]
MolokoDesk	it didn't look up the http description header that time.	[12:15]
RagnarDanneskjol	guess so	[12:15]
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RagnarDanneskjol	actually - it seems to w/ http half the time.. ses vexual's youtube pastes no, mine yes	[12:17]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG9fXAM0II	[12:17]
MolokoDesk	not all web pages have a description meta tag.	[12:18]
MolokoDesk	.deed http://www.google.com	[12:18]
deedBot	No signed deeds found in http://www.google.com	[12:18]
assbot	Google	[12:18]
assbot	Google	[12:18]
RagnarDanneskjol	i thought youtube would be consistent	[12:18]
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RagnarDanneskjol	s'ppose you could sign the git commits smartly and deed them. would like to see how it reads the hub	[12:21]
*	assbot gives voice to punkman	[12:21]
MolokoDesk	.deed http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg	[12:22]
deedBot	No signed deeds found in http://cdn.all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-persistance-of-memory.jpg	[12:22]
punkman	.deed http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt	[12:22]
deedBot	No signed deeds found in http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt	[12:22]
MolokoDesk	how large is that file?	[12:22]
MolokoDesk	it's a pgp encrypted message, not a clearsigned document	[12:23]
RagnarDanneskjol	its just an encrypted block	[12:23]
RagnarDanneskjol	yea	[12:23]
punkman	it's not encrypted	[12:23]
RagnarDanneskjol	errr, como?	[12:23]
MolokoDesk	what is it?	[12:23]
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punkman	was clearsigned a requirement?	[12:24]
RagnarDanneskjol	thats all its meant to read	[12:25]
MolokoDesk	.deed http://www.mutantpalm.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/anthropophagie-1024x646.jpg	[12:26]
deedBot	No signed deeds found in http://www.mutantpalm.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/anthropophagie-1024x646.jpg	[12:26]
MolokoDesk	trying to mess with the file size limit.	[12:26]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[12:27]
deedBot	time=1412069094 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=1493	[12:27]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (6 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)	[12:27]
MolokoDesk	.balance	[12:27]
deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu	[12:27]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mns9VeRguys	[12:27]
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*	assbot removes voice from deedBot	[12:30]
MolokoDesk	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/13881d36a6cf98e5fb970dae94b77c0b822c4f48e31efe18255122c2654f7cfc-1MdrUqS683u8Xo8NQKQe52UdDGq75QP3NQ.txt	[12:30]
MolokoDesk	there's kind of a lame way to vandalize this... just keep feeding deed files from the deed registry back into it.	[12:31]
MolokoDesk	I should block that.	[12:31]
RagnarDanneskjol	shh	[12:31]
MolokoDesk	I should wait 30 days before disclosing exploits?	[12:31]
MolokoDesk	heh	[12:31]
MolokoDesk	we're here to break it.	[12:31]
punkman	.deed http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa	[12:32]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com	[12:32]
punkman	!up deedbot	[12:33]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[12:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	it had voice	[12:33]
punkman	nah	[12:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	oh	[12:33]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPkJeziNyI	[12:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	.deed http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa	[12:34]
deedBot	deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:34]
deedBot	Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa	[12:34]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com	[12:34]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com	[12:34]
Vexual	all the ladies in washington are scrabl,ing to get outta town	[12:34]
Vexual	better roll your aeroplane down	[12:34]
punkman	does it detect duplicates?	[12:34]
MolokoDesk	no	[12:35]
RagnarDanneskjol	doubt it	[12:35]
MolokoDesk	that could be an issue if the contracts have no unique identifier in the text.	[12:36]
MolokoDesk	"see? you sold me 500 shares instead of one"	[12:36]
MolokoDesk	"one at a time"	[12:36]
RagnarDanneskjol	whats with those conspiracy numbers punkman, any clues - i am bad at these	[12:37]
Vexual	alive and dead	[12:37]
MolokoDesk	magic square is my guess.	[12:37]
Vexual	yeah	[12:38]
MolokoDesk	.calc 1+36+34+33+2+3	[12:38]
deedBot	1 + 36 + 34 + 33 + 2 + 3 = 109	[12:38]
MolokoDesk	.calc 9+ 14+ 25+ 24 +11+29	[12:38]
deedBot	9 + 14 + 25 + 24 + 11 + 29 = 112	[12:38]
MolokoDesk	nope	[12:38]
MolokoDesk	rows and columns add up to ascii characters?	[12:39]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDZX4ooRsWs	[12:39]
MolokoDesk	or a random set of numbers masquerading as an enigma.	[12:39]
punkman	.deed http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA	[12:39]
assbot	- Pastebin.com	[12:39]
deedBot	deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:39]
deedBot	Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA	[12:39]
MolokoDesk	6x6 = 36 it's maybe a 666 meme	[12:39]
assbot	- Pastebin.com	[12:39]
Vexual	bit by a snake= dead	[12:39]
Vexual	it happens	[12:40]
MolokoDesk	.wolfram sum(1..36)	[12:40]
deedBot	Total[arithmetic progression \| 1 to 36 \| step size \| 1] = 666	[12:40]
MolokoDesk	yeah, adds up to 666 and it's 6x6	[12:40]
MolokoDesk	.calc 18*18	[12:41]
deedBot	18 * 18 = 324	[12:41]
MolokoDesk	those calculator things are the only two non-deed functions in the bot.	[12:42]
Vexual	;;calc ultimate sperpant	[12:42]
gribble	Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1)	[12:42]
Vexual	bwahaha	[12:42]
MolokoDesk	;;calc number of the beast	[12:43]
gribble	Error: invalid syntax (, line 1)	[12:43]
MolokoDesk	.calc number of the beast	[12:43]
deedBot	Number of the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[12:43]
MolokoDesk	.calc speed of light in rods per fortnight	[12:43]
deedBot	the speed of light = 7.21047 × 10^13 rods per fortnight	[12:43]
RagnarDanneskjol	ha calc is goog	[12:43]
Vexual	goog ist shite	[12:44]
Vexual	am i talking to a realbot?	[12:45]
MolokoDesk	yeah	[12:45]
MolokoDesk	i mean yeah, it's a google scrape	[12:45]
MolokoDesk	the module is external, it's Tao_Jones	[12:45]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[12:45]
deedBot	time=1412070227 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=2626	[12:45]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)	[12:45]
Vexual	okay, if those two sommets connected by ice det too clode to su which way they spin?	[12:48]
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MolokoDesk	is this some quantum Shakespeare thing?	[12:49]
Vexual	no its an astro science thing	[12:49]
MolokoDesk	oh the dumbell-shaped comet pair with the ice isthmus. Yeah, they could blow apart from vapor pressure or tidal forces.	[12:50]
MolokoDesk	they're co-orbital though and would probably collide again.	[12:50]
MolokoDesk	just guessing.	[12:50]
Vexual	collide again	[12:50]
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Vexual	seems unlikely	[12:51]
MolokoDesk	two sonnets connected by in circuit emulator determinants to the algebraic group su, what't their quantum spin?	[12:51]
MolokoDesk	collisions like that are generally how planets form.	[12:51]
Vexual	one goes one way, and one goes a ltiile diff	[12:52]
MolokoDesk	so the orbits diverge?	[12:52]
Vexual	no no	[12:52]
MolokoDesk	you could set up a betting pool on this.	[12:52]
MolokoDesk	SpaceBets	[12:52]
Vexual	yes the orbits change	[12:53]
MolokoDesk	they're gravitationally bound to each other though. the solar wind and vapor pressure would have to exceed their mutual escape velocity.	[12:53]
MolokoDesk	there's at least one known asteroid with a moon.	[12:53]
Vexual	dust and ice	[12:53]
MolokoDesk	yeah the gravity would be fairly low. But I think gravity between ball bearings on a lab desk has been measured.	[12:54]
Vexual	what commet ar eyou commenting?	[12:54]
MolokoDesk	.wolfram mass of ida	[12:54]
deedBot	243 Ida \| mass = 4.12Ã—10^16 kg (kilograms) = ~~ ( 0.008 ~~ 1/125 ) × Earth's atmosphere mass ( 5.1441×10^18 kg )	[12:54]
MolokoDesk	.wolfram mass of dactyl	[12:55]
deedBot	(no apparent answer for: mass of dactyl)	[12:55]
RagnarDanneskjol	.deed https://github.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/blob/master/test%20deed	[12:55]
deedBot	No signed deeds found in https://github.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/blob/master/test%20deed	[12:55]
assbot	deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub	[12:55]
assbot	deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub	[12:55]
MolokoDesk	I wonder if it's not url-decoding that.	[12:55]
MolokoDesk	it maybe taken verbatim	[12:56]
RagnarDanneskjol	hmm, would like that to be a thing. as its quite useful	[12:56]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-upHSP9KU	[12:56]
MolokoDesk	I'll have to look into it.	[12:56]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[12:57]
deedBot	time=1412070908 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=3307	[12:57]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)	[12:57]
MolokoDesk	5 minutes to bitcoin spend of bundle to blockchain.	[12:57]
Vexual	well said	[12:58]
RagnarDanneskjol	place your bets	[12:58]
RagnarDanneskjol	.deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/master/test%20deed	[12:58]
deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:58]
deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[12:58]
deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/master/test%20deed	[12:58]
MolokoDesk	$url=urlencode(urldecode($px[4])); this fixes that.. it was urlencoding it without decoding it first.	[12:59]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnK3DrM0xuY	[13:00]
MolokoDesk	why'd it work the 2nd time?	[13:00]
Vexual	let me tell you a little bedtime story	[13:00]
MolokoDesk	raw	[13:00]
RagnarDanneskjol	raw txt	[13:00]
MolokoDesk	I have to write specials for each non-raw conversion at a dropsite.	[13:01]
MolokoDesk	github's kinda huge. I may do that.	[13:01]
deedBot	Bundled:	[13:02]
MolokoDesk	what is this non-message?	[13:03]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[13:03]
deedBot	time=1412071265 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071216 elapsed=49	[13:03]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)	[13:03]
MolokoDesk	it's spent and tracking it.	[13:03]
Vexual	sleep moar	[13:03]
*	assbot removes voice from deedBot	[13:04]
Vexual	no no	[13:04]
RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot	[13:04]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[13:04]
MolokoDesk	period instead of comma in a regular expression.	[13:04]
*	deedBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[13:05]
MolokoDesk	restarting it with revisions.	[13:05]
MolokoDesk	tracking will pick up where it left off.	[13:05]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBsazIACpYM have some data	[13:05]
MolokoDesk	pending bundles survive and are retained.	[13:06]
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MolokoDesk	!up deedbot	[13:06]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[13:06]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[13:06]
deedBot	time=1412071472 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=272	[13:06]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)	[13:06]
deedBot	(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)	[13:06]
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Vexual	do you need a databse?	[13:07]
MolokoDesk	.interval 900	[13:07]
deedBot	BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 900 seconds.	[13:07]
MolokoDesk	what kind of database?	[13:07]
Vexual	well i could recommend a format	[13:07]
MolokoDesk	nah, it puts files into a directory and deals with them as needed.	[13:07]
Vexual	did i say you could such your penis yet?	[13:08]
Vexual	dont premet me	[13:08]
MolokoDesk	i used sqlite3 the other day to pillage the bitcoin-otc web of trust database files and hammer them into a brief form used by the bot. just the trust metrics indexed by KeyID for people that can use assbot.	[13:09]
MolokoDesk	punkman put me up to it.	[13:09]
Vexual	well there you go	[13:09]
RagnarDanneskjol	ned to do another round of deeds now, huh	[13:09]
MolokoDesk	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this gets updated every 15 minutes 5 minutes after the mark 5,20,35,50	[13:10]
MolokoDesk	probably.	[13:10]
RagnarDanneskjol	i mean to validate performance in chan	[13:10]
MolokoDesk	or we could see what it does when there are no deeds.	[13:10]
RagnarDanneskjol	i'll start	[13:10]
MolokoDesk	re-using that raw item with the %20 in it would test something.	[13:10]
MolokoDesk	.deeds saldkflaskdjf	[13:11]
RagnarDanneskjol	.deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed	[13:11]
deedBot	No signed deeds found in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed	[13:11]
MolokoDesk	odd	[13:11]
RagnarDanneskjol	yea	[13:11]
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Vexual	kinda shit	[13:11]
MolokoDesk	i probably broke it.	[13:11]
RagnarDanneskjol	youbroke it	[13:11]
RagnarDanneskjol	ahhh	[13:12]
RagnarDanneskjol	gribble	[13:12]
punkman	did my UTF8 message survive?	[13:12]
*	deedBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection)	[13:13]
Vexual	mug	[13:13]
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MolokoDesk	!up deedbot	[13:13]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[13:13]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[13:13]
deedBot	time=1412071894 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=694	[13:13]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)	[13:13]
deedBot	(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)	[13:13]
MolokoDesk	.interval 1800	[13:13]
deedBot	BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1800 seconds.	[13:13]
MolokoDesk	.interval 1200	[13:14]
deedBot	BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1200 seconds.	[13:14]
MolokoDesk	.deed https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed	[13:14]
deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[13:14]
deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[13:14]
deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed	[13:14]
RagnarDanneskjol	hmm - so works with gribble down	[13:15]
MolokoDesk	yeah. gribble is out of the loop.	[13:15]
RagnarDanneskjol	oh yea	[13:15]
RagnarDanneskjol	forgot	[13:15]
MolokoDesk	streamlines things enormously	[13:15]
MolokoDesk	gribble still updates the trust database though.	[13:16]
MolokoDesk	!up deedbot	[13:16]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[13:16]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[13:17]
deedBot	time=1412072123 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=923	[13:17]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)	[13:17]
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deedBot	Bundled: 0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt	[13:22]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKw5mBh4rYs	[13:22]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[13:24]
deedBot	time=1412072554 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412072409 elapsed=145	[13:24]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (no pending deeds.)	[13:24]
MolokoDesk	.interval 3600	[13:24]
deedBot	BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 3600 seconds.	[13:24]
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punkman	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/29/when-all-cigarette-packages-look-the-same-fewer-people-buy-them/	[13:26]
assbot	When all cigarette packs look the same, fewer people buy them - The Washington Post	[13:26]
deedBot	published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt	[13:27]
deedBot	published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/fa744e93884d6c682d2192ebbd32c42ad687e4c6124dc825a5edd7f1eeef9e23-1FP8USe3QqUwUtZToPa66kiATraZ77jizv.txt	[13:27]
RagnarDanneskjol	i dont buyy it	[13:27]
punkman	Vexual, no branding on your cigarettes?	[13:27]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2SZPb7UUtc yah cartier	[13:27]
punkman	Ragnar, look for my UTF message, that's why it should accept compressed messages	[13:28]
punkman	(gpg --sign --armor that is)	[13:28]
RagnarDanneskjol	i think the idea is to do that, then sign the block	[13:29]
punkman	it's signed and compressed when you don't --clearsign	[13:29]
RagnarDanneskjol	right, but remember mp describing this at one point. trying to find it	[13:30]
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RagnarDanneskjol	yep like this: http://pastebin.com/yrL9xW6z	[13:33]
assbot	$ gpg -v -v gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESS - Pastebin.com	[13:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815449	[13:34]
assbot	Logged on 30-08-2014 01:44:07; mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/yrL9xW6z	[13:34]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmDDOFXSgAs	[13:36]
Vexual	i smoke white owl and old port after noon	[13:44]
Vexual	no weed	[13:47]
*	assbot removes voice from deedBot	[13:47]
RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot	[13:48]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[13:49]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWqY_I5dhVE	[13:49]
Vexual	yesca	[13:52]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alJ87WnQ5XA	[13:54]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmuFTF-z32U	[13:59]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jND3F56tsF8 311	[14:02]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8nrF5aXPlQ	[14:10]
MolokoDesk	!up deedbot	[14:11]
*	assbot gives voice to deedBot	[14:11]
chetty	need a laugh? http://phys.org/news/2014-09-scientists-droplets.html	[14:14]
assbot	Scientists make droplets move on their own	[14:14]
Vexual	is that code? checz?	[14:16]
Vexual	science in chech is like what heroin emema?	[14:17]
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chetty	Just the title of that article is enough for a chuckle, imo	[14:20]
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Vexual	ya they love a droplet in prague	[14:23]
MolokoDesk	!up deedbot	[14:24]
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RagnarDanneskjol	i moved to other chan w/dump command	[14:24]
RagnarDanneskjol	the repors	[14:25]
MolokoDesk	(ok. I have deedBot installed to re-start on server reboots or deedBot terminations, it's home channel is set to #bitcoin-assets)	[14:25]
RagnarDanneskjol	reports	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/ << with many thanks to asciilifeform	[14:25]
assbot	Manufactured insecurity and the issue of control pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	had he not made me read that thing, i wouldn't have the tool ready for like the best reference this week.	[14:25]
MolokoDesk	(you won't see deedBot in other chan without an invite or join directive)	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	this chan is so fucking intellectually empowering.	[14:25]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk hey how goes there ?	[14:25]
MolokoDesk	fairly well.	[14:26]
MolokoDesk	deedBot is resonably terse and bulletproof now.	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	didja implement the two things outstanding ?	[14:26]
MolokoDesk	switched to using the 15 minute updated gribble database files.	[14:26]
mircea_popescu	how big are they ?	[14:27]
MolokoDesk	it's tracking transaction IDs now. doesn't terminate.	[14:27]
MolokoDesk	oh they're kind of long.	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	nanotube is your preferred avenue for people needing to frequently query the db to check relation that they ask gribble each time or that they download the backups every 15 minutes ?	[14:27]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk what do you save this way, like 1 query out of 3 ?	[14:28]
MolokoDesk	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/?FILTER=&FORM=x&SORT=0.5	[14:28]
assbot	DEEDS	[14:28]
MolokoDesk	gribble is completely out of the loop. the logic is linear no queues or state machines needed. Nothing stops if something else doesn't complete.	[14:29]
MolokoDesk	the code is much smaller.	[14:29]
MolokoDesk	splitting incoming files, verifying signatures, bundling are a single pass operation.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	well that's something.	[14:29]
MolokoDesk	tracking is simpler.	[14:29]
MolokoDesk	it's just a lot easier and more predictable.	[14:29]
mircea_popescu	how often do you dld the db ?	[14:29]
MolokoDesk	side effect is that a json digest of the assbot trust web is available.	[14:30]
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MolokoDesk	assuming anyone would use something compiled by a 3rd party.	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	well it adds to central security if there's some catastrophe.	[14:30]
MolokoDesk	http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this is updated by a cron job ever 15 minutes.	[14:31]
MolokoDesk	y	[14:31]
mircea_popescu	well ok. if it's too much we'll fiddle with it or something. it is better code.	[14:32]
Azelphur	speaking of assbot trust levels, what does it take to get into assbots l1 trust?	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	ok, so what's outstanding here ?	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur http://trilema.com/2014/the-bitcoin-lordship-list-first-revision/ << making it in one of these.	[14:32]
assbot	The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	generally, people hafta be impressed with how worthy of being ennobled you are.	[14:33]
MolokoDesk	probably #bitcoin-assets watching it work long enough for you to take delivery of it.	[14:33]
MolokoDesk	also it's not registered with gribble/WoT	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk okay, what's your gameplan here, do you want to also run this as a going concern ?	[14:33]
MolokoDesk	the logic for handing an ;;eauth challenge is already in. when it logs on and identifies to freenode it issues an ;;eauth deedBot to gribble and picks up any challenge response, decrypts the item and does the ;;everify	[14:34]
punkman	hashing spec would be nice	[14:34]
RagnarDanneskjol	I'd like to see it in pyth asafp	[14:34]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YPCdJbZYXo	[14:34]
MolokoDesk	so I guess gribble is still in the loop, but not as part of the bundling process.	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	what is it now, all php ?	[14:34]
RagnarDanneskjol	yea	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk well sure. gribble can't be permaout of the loop :p	[14:34]
RagnarDanneskjol	I might ask Alz to give it a crack	[14:34]
MolokoDesk	the hashing spec is just SHA256 of the file converted to a bitcoin address.	[14:34]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I'm sure I'm worth ;)	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol you're paying for that. it's a worthy cause :)	[14:35]
RagnarDanneskjol	I kno	[14:35]
MolokoDesk	I'm ok with writing it in python.	[14:35]
RagnarDanneskjol	hmm	[14:35]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << not that counts are the end all be all, but with 500 lines in the past year, you can't be.	[14:35]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets stats	[14:35]
Vexual	whats it do? can i sell a shopping centre without getting sober?	[14:35]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: fair enough, yea I'm not too active here	[14:36]
MolokoDesk	now that the architecture and methods and algorithms are worked out it should be faster to complete.	[14:36]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk question was whether you want ot be the one running this or not.	[14:36]
MolokoDesk	it'd be ok with being the on-going bot op here. we'd have to work something out.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	talk to me.	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	(people go "talk to mp". apparently mp does too.)	[14:37]
MolokoDesk	well, what's the attention span of a bot op adquate to service the trading/contract flow here?	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	uh. answer if something breaks.	[14:38]
MolokoDesk	I noticed that some people responded immediately by hand to stuff I sent to their bots.	[14:38]
RagnarDanneskjol	whats your expectation for response time mp? on any bot maintenance	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	from experience you get pinged within 5 minutes of it dieing	[14:38]
Vexual	cant even sell a playstation	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	well something reasonable, nothing set. if you're in the hospital and take half a week nobody's gonna sue.	[14:38]
MolokoDesk	if something breaks, it's mission-critcal and I stop what I'm doing and fix it now.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	but in general, if you're online, you're online.	[14:38]
MolokoDesk	there'd be some way to send a message to my phone or desk.	[14:38]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk it's not that essential. can wait a day.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	it can't wait a week is all.	[14:39]
MolokoDesk	yeah, no rush on decisions about that.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk no i mean, the fixing.	[14:39]
MolokoDesk	oh.	[14:39]
MolokoDesk	ok. well that time frame is casual. it would be fixed at my earliest convenience same-day.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	it's not mission critical, it's in the "can wait a day can't wait a week" pile.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[14:39]
MolokoDesk	it's likely that deedBot degrade gracefully. if any process in the chain stops things still get set up for the next bundle.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	honestly i don't expect anything to break, since php is so stable and everything.	[14:40]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kf_RYVt2XQ	[14:40]
MolokoDesk	yeah, the program flow is sufficiently linear that it's not going to halt if something 500 server errors out at the API level.	[14:40]
MolokoDesk	running out of BTC would make it stop registering to the blockchain and the result might be one big giant deed bundle whenever that was remedied.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7691289 "This could be huge in my opinion"	[14:41]
assbot	Truthcoin: Trustless, Decentralized Bitcoin Prediction Marketplace \| Hacker News	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	yeah it was huge. fucktards.	[14:41]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the yc bitbet thread ? where is it ? "o, let's ignore and pretend that means we can stay relevant"	[14:42]
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mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk ima sent it a btc right now, actually. what was its wallet ?	[14:42]
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MolokoDesk	I've always been intrigued by prediction marketplaces. The theory is that markets efficiently integrate all available information, so the price reflects some sort of best-estimate of the probability of the predicted events.	[14:42]
kakobrekla	o look, 1.258	[14:43]
RagnarDanneskjol	molo - how secure is that wallet?	[14:43]
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MolokoDesk	so far nobody has the passphrase or keys or passwords but me.	[14:43]
MolokoDesk	it's replacable.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk it's an old discussion this.	[14:43]
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MolokoDesk	just change the API key and "secret" to spend.	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk so are you getting hacked ?	[14:43]
MolokoDesk	yeah, we decided the wallet is disposable, all of the security is in the signatures and blockchain.	[14:44]
MolokoDesk	it doesn't matter how the BTC is spent.	[14:44]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni.	[14:44]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/	[14:44]
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MolokoDesk	the spend address/hash is also a locus of security.	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk well so then i'd better only send .1 or something ?	[14:45]
MolokoDesk	none of that is fake-able.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	;;rated MolokoDesk	[14:45]
gribble	You have not yet rated user MolokoDesk	[14:45]
MolokoDesk	ragnar was suggesting a faucet.	[14:45]
MolokoDesk	it's secure enough that nobody would spend time trying to hack it for $20	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	kay.	[14:45]
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mircea_popescu	which brings us to the nextr q : would you like to develop a payments extension for this ?	[14:46]
MolokoDesk	however. if you had access to the source code, which is stored outside of webspace, you'd have enough info to spend the wallet using the API.	[14:46]
MolokoDesk	the source on the private GITHub has stubs for that info.	[14:46]
MolokoDesk	so it's not disclosed so far.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	;;ident MolokoDesk	[14:46]
gribble	Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is not identified.	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	ident woudlja	[14:46]
MolokoDesk	ew.	[14:46]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L5v5CUf9Vc	[14:47]
*	assbot gives voice to MolokoDesk	[14:48]
MolokoDesk	laptop must have gone into sleep mode earlier.	[14:48]
punkman	gribble hiccup	[14:48]
MolokoDesk	other point of security would be the keyring for ;;eauth	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony dude look at that jimothy guy still fightin' the good fight, one year and a half later, 2.x k posts in.	[14:49]
fluffypony	link?	[14:49]
Vexual	drink it all at once	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony just looked at his forum profile	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137510	[14:49]
assbot	View the profile of jimmothy	[14:49]
fluffypony	lame.	[14:50]
fluffypony	such investor.	[14:50]
fluffypony	much investment.	[14:50]
fluffypony	wow.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	well he was in the link to why bitbet is bad on yc.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	the place where airbnb is good :D	[14:50]
MolokoDesk	payments extension: what is that about?	[14:50]
Vexual	america?	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk i'll spec it for you one second.	[14:51]
MolokoDesk	if there's serious btc flow through a payment system I'd think we'd want to put this on a dedicated server instead of the virtual machine where it is now.	[14:52]
MolokoDesk	or on a server instance where that's the only thing running there.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5	[14:53]
assbot	.balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com	[14:53]
deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu	[14:53]
MolokoDesk	I do so much stuff on this VM ... my dev activities are probably the biggest risk.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	warn limit should prolly be 1 btc	[14:53]
MolokoDesk	if I put something up elsewhere on the same server that's just another exposure risk	[14:53]
MolokoDesk	.balance	[14:54]
deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu	[14:54]
MolokoDesk	there's a low balance message that's never been activated yet.	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	coolness.	[14:54]
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mircea_popescu	!up deedBot	[14:54]
-assbot-	You voiced deedBot for 30 minutes.	[14:54]
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mircea_popescu	;;ident MolokoDesk	[14:55]
MolokoDesk	.calc 1/(0.00011 * 24)	[14:55]
gribble	Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'MolokoDesk', with GPG key id C58B15FA3E19CE9B, key fingerprint 4D4769A7EF6BB23D399DAA7BC58B15FA3E19CE9B, and bitcoin address None	[14:55]
deedBot	1 / (0.00011 * 24) = 378.787879	[14:55]
MolokoDesk	1 btc is good for over a year at full capacity 1 bundle per hour.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.	[14:55]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	no wai	[14:55]
MolokoDesk	gribble is one cold dude.	[14:56]
RagnarDanneskjol	AAA seems a bit generous. it is the last day of the month]	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.	[14:56]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user MolokoDesk has been recorded.	[14:56]
MolokoDesk	it's revokable.	[14:56]
RagnarDanneskjol		[14:56]
RagnarDanneskjol	]	[14:56]
MolokoDesk	but it does seem a bit much.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol i dun gas when, he did it before the end of the month.	[14:56]
RagnarDanneskjol	oops	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	i am the avatar of splitting.	[14:57]
Vexual	oshit	[14:57]
RagnarDanneskjol	i kno, just sayin	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	;;google splitting psychology	[14:57]
gribble	Splitting (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Understanding “Splitting” as a Psychological Term: ; Self-Deception II: Splitting \| Psychology Today:	[14:57]
MolokoDesk	subjective recursion, self-commentary...	[14:57]
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Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU	[14:58]
MolokoDesk	we're still trying to break deedBot, but I think it passes.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk so are you making the payments extension ?	[14:59]
RagnarDanneskjol	i dont think he follows	[14:59]
MolokoDesk	did I miss the spec?	[14:59]
punkman	it fails at unicode :P	[14:59]
RagnarDanneskjol	ugh	[14:59]
RagnarDanneskjol	mircea_popescu	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5 <	[14:59]
RagnarDanneskjol	MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5	[15:00]
assbot	.balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com	[15:00]
deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu	[15:00]
MolokoDesk	you're talking abut the unicode dashes in the PGP signed message delimiters?	[15:00]
assbot	.balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com	[15:00]
deedBot	deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk no.	[15:00]
punkman	MolokoDesk: no, unicode in the message	[15:00]
MolokoDesk	ok. uh, where does that happen, just a report from deedBot?	[15:00]
punkman	check here towards bottom http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/fa744e93884d6c682d2192ebbd32c42ad687e4c6124dc825a5edd7f1eeef9e23-1FP8USe3QqUwUtZToPa66kiATraZ77jizv.txt	[15:01]
MolokoDesk	bot trigger collision may need some work. laff.	[15:01]
punkman	oh never mind, browser didn't know it was utf	[15:01]
punkman	guess it works then	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	punkman yeah srsly i was all wut'd	[15:02]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyVZFJGX5g	[15:02]
MolokoDesk	yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice.	[15:02]
MolokoDesk	but the most expedient way to do it.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	nothing unsound about it. it's the right way.	[15:03]
MolokoDesk	authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	use a single inbound address, pay out from it as directed.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	webwallet done right is also tumblr by default.	[15:04]
MolokoDesk	like a small change drawer.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[15:04]
MolokoDesk	if people are comfortable with the size of their deposits at risk, and the risk level that's doable.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	you're taking a sizeable bite here, if you manage to run all this for a while and not get hacked you'll have all the cred you could possibly want	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	so don't fuck up.	[15:04]
Vexual	bwahaha	[15:04]
MolokoDesk	heh and get hacked... negative cred, maybe.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[15:05]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q	[15:05]
MolokoDesk	ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly, just as needed for my own projects.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	how old are you ?	[15:05]
MolokoDesk	I know you've noticed the criticism A.Andropoulos has been getting.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	actually i haven't.	[15:06]
MolokoDesk	and I think he has a stronger background in security than I do.	[15:06]
RagnarDanneskjol	no	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	ugh. what ?!	[15:06]
RagnarDanneskjol	he does not	[15:06]
MolokoDesk	his customer service dept let a security hole slide unfixed.	[15:06]
MolokoDesk	after being repeatedly informed of it.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck is it "his"	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	guy's a mascota, talking muppethead.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	this is like complaining that the decals didn't fix the engine.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	cause "it's their car"	[15:07]
bounce	what, decals don't fix engines? news to me.	[15:07]
MolokoDesk	yeah, he's kind of verbal intervention and keynote speaker. Not sure what his early role in bitcoin is. I think he may have been in the first round bitcoin foundation group.	[15:07]
MolokoDesk	but then Mark Karpeles was in that too.	[15:07]
bounce	it's called "best current practice" and the industry is full of it.	[15:07]
MolokoDesk	anyway, I dunno. It's just news feed.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk his early role in bitcoin was being a derp.	[15:08]
Vexual	oshit	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	anyway. how old were you ?	[15:08]
MolokoDesk	apple-style evangelism, maybe.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	bounce that it is.	[15:08]
MolokoDesk	usually CSO isn't an honorary title. oh well.	[15:09]
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MolokoDesk	anyway, I know how startups are. they do anything to make their "forward-looking statements" remain plausible for as long as possible.	[15:10]
MolokoDesk	put people with high profiles on their boards of directors that do nothing but waive attending the annual meeting.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	omfg is it like a secret or something!?	[15:11]
MolokoDesk	nuff said then.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk how old are you dude!	[15:11]
MolokoDesk	over whatever.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	more interested in the under part.	[15:11]
MolokoDesk	why? vocabulary? jadedness? polymath symptoms?	[15:12]
RagnarDanneskjol	he is older than us	[15:12]
MolokoDesk	yeah.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	because i am trying to determine whether telling you to stfu and learn some unix admining is a good policy or not	[15:12]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqHKaslks2s'	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	and that depends on how old you are.	[15:12]
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MolokoDesk	we can talk freely. no prob.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[15:12]
MolokoDesk	or are you asking whether I grasp the troll aesthetic?	[15:13]
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mircea_popescu	mkay. if you're under 30 stfu and learn some unix admining, it can't hurt you. if over 30 you probably have a point focusing on other things.	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	jesus gotta make if-then clauses.	[15:13]
RagnarDanneskjol	aha	[15:13]
bounce	you lack "answer the question" skills, eh. well, not the only one.	[15:13]
MolokoDesk	superposition.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	bounce people get strange when put on teh spot huh.	[15:14]
MolokoDesk	I can find out what I need to know.	[15:14]
*	bounce can't get recruiters, hr peeps, or even first line support idjits to f'n answer their emails.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk if you're wondering, the entire line was prompted by ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly	[15:14]
MolokoDesk	it's not so much not knowing, it's having to do it constantly.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	right.	[15:14]
MolokoDesk	yeah, I think that was a symptom of long-term interests in other things.	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	well, good code means you won't have to do it constantly, cause good code never breaks :D	[15:15]
MolokoDesk	I'm thinking more of operating system updates, security patches, surveillance.	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	bounce the motherfucking answer! is the reason face to face productivity is better, btw. as expensive travel is, sometimes it's unavoidable, as people will mousy over emails for a year if given the chance	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	and so management has to fly people all over back and forth all day.	[15:16]
MolokoDesk	as 'security' best practices is mostly don't use certain language constructs, or coding practices that allow exploits from web input.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk these days, security mostly relies on not updating to the newest set of bugs.	[15:16]
MolokoDesk	for example I deleted wordpress from this VM. I don't use it and didn't even want it there.	[15:16]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGbNFFqxS4	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	get a secure system, bolt it down and forget about it.	[15:16]
bounce	this isn't usually a problem among the, let's call them "usenet crowd". people who're reasonably good at discussing more than one thing per email and are technically minded so don't take it too personally when asked to answer a technical question.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	don't even get me started on the topic of wordpress lmao. fucktards put a ddos hole in their xmlrpc	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	you can use any wp installation to basically probe for free or whatever else.	[15:17]
MolokoDesk	well, I can write the payments extension but deciding where to run it may be a different issue.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk give the thing a day to think through.	[15:18]
bounce	heroku and google apps both, "for the resiliency"	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	wait what are you talking about !?	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	is this >9k sarcasm ?	[15:18]
bounce	well, how can it be if I get called to explain the joke?	[15:19]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRz4jJ7K1fA	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	"too much"!	[15:19]
bounce	so much for "leveraging the synergy"	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[15:21]
gribble	Current Blocks: 323195 \| Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 \| Next Difficulty In: 1380 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 51 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 33160433493.3 \| Estimated Percent Change: -4.33044	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	whoa	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	holy shit ?!	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	it HAD to ruin the 31bn bet, and then die right after ?	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	fucking bitch.	[15:22]
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MolokoDesk	just realized that Tao_Jones has a "joke" payment system in it called luzcoin it's not a real coin, it just keeps accounts for people in one IRC channel elsewhere and they mess about with it rhetorically. it has a mining back end that increments the accounts in a sporadic lottery.	[15:26]
MolokoDesk	coin-like substance, play money.	[15:26]
RagnarDanneskjol	MolokoDesk - pls see msg in other chan	[15:26]
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mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk what channel is that ?	[15:26]
RagnarDanneskjol	private	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	orly ?	[15:27]
RagnarDanneskjol	not really, just where testing bot	[15:27]
RagnarDanneskjol	#cex-squawk	[15:27]
RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot	[15:29]
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RagnarDanneskjol	.dump	[15:29]
deedBot	time=1412080043 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=431	[15:29]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)	[15:29]
deedBot	(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)	[15:29]
deedBot	deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[15:32]
deedBot	deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle	[15:32]
deedBot	Found 2 valid deeds in https://raw.githubusercontent.com/RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot/1f4768c0e08a07250cc697872f4b66c1e5a1518c/test%20deed	[15:32]
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RagnarDanneskjol	OH- it doesnt reply pm now	[15:32]
jurov	RagnarDanneskjol: assbot has vexual in ignore	[15:48]
jurov	hence no titles	[15:49]
RagnarDanneskjol	ahhh. interesting	[15:49]
MolokoDesk	.dump	[15:49]
deedBot	time=1412081247 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=1635	[15:49]
deedBot	DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)	[15:49]
deedBot	(switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)	[15:49]
MolokoDesk	!up deedbot	[15:49]
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MolokoDesk	ok, for the payment system, it would create accounts based on wallet of origin of incoming payments. those would be the same wallets registered in web of trust/gribble, I presume.	[15:51]
MolokoDesk	random payments from unregistered wallets would sit in an account with no owner until someone registered them, but that's not a sound practice.	[15:51]
MolokoDesk	they'd be sent back to the originator or just forfeited.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk nah, create accounts based on person's wot id.	[15:51]
MolokoDesk	ok. so they don't need to register a wallet ID with WoT?	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[15:52]
MolokoDesk	hmn.	[15:52]
MolokoDesk	how do you know who pays into an account?	[15:52]
MolokoDesk	I can figure that out.	[15:52]
MolokoDesk	nevermind.	[15:52]
kakobrekla	kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni. < is not that simple.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	Send X Bitcoin to Y address. [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner] <	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ikno ikno. gotta tease tho!	[15:53]
MolokoDesk	right. how does one put money into the account in one's nick.	[15:53]
MolokoDesk	it has to come from a wallet.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[15:53]
MolokoDesk	so all you really now is that some wallet somewhere sent you btc.	[15:53]
MolokoDesk	whose wallet was it?	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	~~~ [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner]~~~	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	.deposit	[15:53]
MolokoDesk	so they just say "that wallet was mine"?	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	Hi MP. Please send to 1blabla make sure last 4 digits are 1944	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	then if you get 1.00001944 you credit it to me.	[15:54]
MolokoDesk	ohyeah, Igot it that first line.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	so then what's the problem ?	[15:54]
MolokoDesk	they send you a microchange digit set and you confirm on that.	[15:54]
MolokoDesk	in private message.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[15:54]
MolokoDesk	like initial bank handhsaking.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	no need for any of that. you just use a hash of their userid to generate a 4 digit pin, and credit to their acct all deposits to your address that have that pin for last 4 digits.	[15:55]
MolokoDesk	I guess one presumes nobody wants to give people money at random.	[15:55]
kakobrekla	;;seen mike_c	[15:55]
gribble	mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 15 hours, and 10 seconds ago: (j/k)	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	one doesn't presume anything. this is how the system works.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	people can use it whatever way they please.	[15:56]
MolokoDesk	"oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	and you only have one address in your wallet, and pay from it whenever someone asks and that's that.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk who's to know ?	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	maybe someone wants to donate to them.	[15:56]
MolokoDesk	yeah, nobody's gonna stop you.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	hardened systems means among other things breaking the convenient assumptions of the enemy.	[15:57]
MolokoDesk	ok. with two audit trails that should be bulletproof, if it's all done in this channel the published channel logs are a matter of record. the payment extension also keeps an audit trail and a database.	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	yup	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	all ingredients for a secure system are there.	[15:58]
MolokoDesk	uh, what chance of two people randomly choosing the same 4-digit deposit suffix?	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	they don't choise it.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	bot choses it.	[15:59]
MolokoDesk	amount would also have to math.	[15:59]
MolokoDesk	match.	[15:59]
MolokoDesk	ok.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	what amount dood.	[15:59]
MolokoDesk	there are only 10000 of those.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	yeah well, we won't have 10k users.	[15:59]
MolokoDesk	I was still back on 'depositer declares digits' not "bot declares digits"	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	ah. yeah.	[15:59]
MolokoDesk	10k transactions. oh. each user has a unique 4-digits always the same. their "account number" sure.	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	and if it becomes a problem we move to 6 or w/e. not that any irc chan ever had 10k members online.	[16:00]
MolokoDesk	I haven't slept recently if I'm seeming dense.	[16:00]
RagnarDanneskjol	same as usual	[16:00]
MolokoDesk	what's the likely volume of the pooled wallet for what... 50 people?	[16:01]
RagnarDanneskjol	dense, not lack of sleep	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, coupla btc ?	[16:01]
bounce	you start having problems well before 10000, that with hash collissions and everything	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	bounce true.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	easy enough for anyone to test it, send 10k satoshi see if you get it.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	if you don't get it, bitch.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	bounce actually hashing isn't even the right approach, should serialize.	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk maybe instead of hashing,keep a serial of when people go .deposit and use that,	[16:04]
bounce	then you have an arbitrary cookie and might as well use separate payment addresses	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	increment by one if person wasn't seen before.	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	bounce notrly. you use a single address chiefly because that way mitm is pointless.	[16:04]
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nanotube	mircea_popescu: re db queries - depends on frequency of gribble queries. if you'd be querying gribble more than once per 15 min, get the db.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	nanotube got it.	[16:06]
bounce	now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret?	[16:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12658 @ 0.00075221 = 9.5215 BTC [-]	[16:06]
bounce	s/key/payment address/	[16:07]
bounce	s/combines/spits out/ (from the combination, etc.)	[16:07]
punkman	btw unnamed source says coindesk pays around $90 per article	[16:08]
bounce	sounds like easy money.	[16:08]
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mircea_popescu	punkman like hell they do.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	$90 buys you an hour's work of a professional. their articles are 15 minute jobs by 3rd worlders. 9 bux is a gross exaggeration.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	(easy to arb, too, go on fiverr, have 20 people write articles, get 2 accepted by coindeks, profit)	[16:10]
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bounce	ebay to spin out paypal again. huh.	[16:12]
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mircea_popescu	bounce omidyar has figured out paypal / website payments are dead in the water, selling it while he's ahead of the curve.	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	smart move.	[16:15]
bounce	only after icahn badgered them to do it for months	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	yeah well would you listen to icahn /	[16:18]
bounce	of course not. even so.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	!up eth2	[16:19]
-assbot-	You voiced eth2 for 30 minutes.	[16:20]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla can deedbot go on bot voicelist.	[16:20]
kakobrekla	is it ready	[16:20]
RagnarDanneskjol	no - need to sort out who registers/owns it	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol community owned, what.	[16:21]
RagnarDanneskjol	uhh, thought some person needs to secure keypair for anygiven bot - like I assume kako has assbot's	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	giving it a gpg sig is a handwave anyway, whoever controls it can make it sign anything anyway. not like it's a creature in itself.	[16:22]
RagnarDanneskjol	right	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	nickserv id is enough really.	[16:22]
bounce	for freenode, whoever has access to the backend and can fix it if it goes amok	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	and yes, freenode policy is to cloak bots by maintainer.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	i suppose we should get a b-a cloak huh ?	[16:23]
RagnarDanneskjol	!up deedBot	[16:24]
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teward	mircea_popescu: unless #bitcoin-assets is its own Group Registration, it falls in the #bitcoin* namespace	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	teward i was thinking of making a group reg.	[16:24]
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teward	mircea_popescu: first GRFs are closed	[16:25]
teward	mircea_popescu: secondly you run into namespace issues	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	o they don't do that anymore ?	[16:25]
teward	(#bitcoin-* is typically considered #bitcoin, like #anything-* is #anything)	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	teward it can just be b-a, or w/e.	[16:25]
teward	mircea_popescu: GRFs been closed a while, but point still stands, namespace issues	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	you don't have to name the group = the channel do you.	[16:25]
bounce	"#assets"	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	"freenode group registration is currently suspended, as the group registration process became significantly backlogged to the point that it was not viable to continue taking new registrations. This is an unfortunate side-effect of the combination of the following"	[16:26]
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mircea_popescu	fucktards. they fail to list "we suck to the degree we will die of self imposed attrition. we don't even talk to people wh owant to give us free servers anymore"	[16:26]
bounce	so. freenode2?	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	bounce eventually. seems unavoidable.	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	sadly.	[16:27]
bounce	needs a bit of a crew, some buy-in from a few groups, and so on, to get the thing started	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	anyway. 2015's problems.	[16:28]
RagnarDanneskjol	https://publicintelligence.net/tactical-chat/	[16:29]
assbot	Tactical Chat: How the U.S. Military Uses IRC to Wage War \| Public Intelligence	[16:29]
deedBot	published http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS/45b0f698f86ff1a0686936db193a49aa5474dd705ed594087731d1f4fb68c93a-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	doh.	[16:30]
kakobrekla	you want some b-a.com a record for the deed thing	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yes actually.	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	deeds.b ?	[16:31]
jurov	ya they love a droplet in prague << no they're just world experts on alcohol	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla and does that come with some server space ? :)	[16:32]
kakobrekla	we can do that	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.	[16:38]
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mats_cd03	;;later tell BingoBoingo if you want to read something on HeinOnline, LexisNexis, Westlaw let me know	[16:38]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	only him ?	[16:38]
RagnarDanneskjol	mircea_popescu - I seriously doubt he'll see that. will send him an email	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol better leave it as a later tell ?	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login. an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.	[16:39]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:39]
RagnarDanneskjol	correct	[16:39]
RagnarDanneskjol	still - he'll prolly miss it	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	well he'll gotta learn not to miss it :)	[16:40]
mats_cd03	well... if you're in assbot's L2 i guess i could do that.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	how the hell else will he know the bot's tits up anyway	[16:40]
punkman	turns out deedbot burns the coins	[16:41]
RagnarDanneskjol	old dogs	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	punkman hm ?	[16:41]
RagnarDanneskjol	not literally 'burnt'	[16:41]
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mircea_popescu	punkman: was clearsigned a requirement? << yes.	[16:42]
punkman	mircea_popescu: private key can't be recreated	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	why not ?!	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk: I should block that. << i wouldn't worry about vandals at the application level. if they do it they may get devoiced which is enough deterrent.	[16:43]
punkman	mircea_popescu: because it goes from file hash to pub address	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	punkman explain like im five.	[16:44]
punkman	it picks a random bitcoin address instead of generating the private key for one	[16:45]
punkman	(by random I mean based on the bundle hash)	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	mkay gotta grill the guy tomorrow about it.	[16:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	we discussed this at one point and determined this was the best approach - as alternative to millibtc to be recovered from a multitude of pregenerated addresses	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	link me ?	[16:48]
RagnarDanneskjol	will try - so many, getting cross eyed	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the state in my head is that th bundle gets hashed into a pubkey which is where dust is sent.	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	aaand i'll bbl.	[16:49]
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bounce	of course, assets.com is squatted. wonder what they'll ask for it.	[16:57]
punkman	over 9 billion	[16:58]
MolokoDesk	(we've never really discussed the intent of compensation for work here. It matters to me because I have to make a living, so I have to be able to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be that everyone is developing "for free" because they are stakeholders in keeping the exchange going so they can use it, or the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or they're used to doing	[16:58]
MolokoDesk	open source for a lark.)	[16:58]
MolokoDesk	(let me know what's up.)	[17:00]
mats_cd03	fun fact: the Bluetooth Low Energy spec has three key exchange mechanisms. 2/3 "do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection" (as per spec).	[17:00]
bounce	depends on where you are. in the big blue room, the sky is the limit.	[17:00]
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mats_cd03	so, since out of band key exchange is difficult, most BLE devices can be construed as selectively backdoored.	[17:01]
MolokoDesk	(oops. missed mp, who is the person I should talk with this about)	[17:01]
dub	aside from possibly a handfull paid to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I think -assets labour is expected to be free (as in beer)	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk people in bitcoin are as a rule filthy rich, which means they do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, which is why coming up with things that are actually worth doing is so important and getting people to adhere to trhe highest standards so easy.	[17:07]
*	dub reserve the right to be entirely wrong	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	as far as your own case is concerned however, iirc you wanted some bitcents to cover for september, which you got, which is where we're now.	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	obviously doing more work is more pay, your queue to come up with something was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#851612	[17:08]
assbot	Logged on 30-09-2014 11:35:08; mircea_popescu: talk to me.	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	and it's still there.	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	s/queue/cue	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	dub who do you mean, saffron ?	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	people are getting paid to flash their tits, what're you talkin' aboot.	[17:09]
dub	i was thinking mpif ops, but yeah, sticking shit up your ass is another earner	[17:10]
RagnarDanneskjol	one part of the conversation on how deed coins are to be spent/lost: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815529 ..there was some more specific discussion i cannot locate	[17:10]
assbot	Logged on 30-08-2014 01:57:51; mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk block-and-address.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	dub don't forget all the trolls i pay to bother random anons that forgot to take their pills on random forums nobody reads.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol what's that to do tho ? i mean, this is merely how to index things on the site.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	and he changed from the block thing to the tx thing which is fine.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	dub how about the chick that got paid to secretary.	[17:12]
RagnarDanneskjol	I'm just addressing punkman's issue regarding coins spent to random addresses	[17:12]
bounce	on that note, how's the bitcoin f0ne going?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	bounce still there, but i don't think many popl call.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol but how do you figure this does that ?!	[17:12]
RagnarDanneskjol	because it does	[17:12]
MolokoDesk	ok. I'm not sure the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually take and advance or progress payment on staring a project, and the rest of the comp on delivery to satisfaction of the person who wanted the work. There's no way I could have done this for the initial payment.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	i dun follow.	[17:12]
MolokoDesk	However, I'm aware we never discussed final comp. so.	[17:13]
bounce	cards in the mail to all the rich and powerful. "call our bitcoin f0ne!"	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	bounce but why	[17:13]
MolokoDesk	I'd usually bill low 4 figures for something like this USD.	[17:13]
bounce	for the blogposts. what else?	[17:13]
MolokoDesk	you'll get this regardless. I'm just saying this isn't what I had in mind.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk well that's why it's very important to be loud and clear about what you have in mind.	[17:14]
dub	mircea_popescu: I thought they were teh same person	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	dub moiety and saffron ?!	[17:14]
bounce	anyway, just wondering really	[17:14]
dub	or, idk im out of the loop	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	why the hell does everyone think everyone's the same person as everyone else.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	this anonimity.	[17:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00075258 = 14.9387 BTC [+] {4}	[17:15]
bounce	a secret wish for a simpler world	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk don't be shy about it, we're all assholes anyway.	[17:15]
dub	its teh internet and 'they' are female, there can't be more than one	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	moiety is actually cute iirc.	[17:15]
MolokoDesk	ok, guess, we should talk about what adding a payment option to this and maintaining the bot long term are worth in terms of comp.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	heck, there's not so many ugly women in btc. which makes one think... what if there's more to hotness than usually thought ?	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	what if ugly women are also stupid ?	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk go ahead.	[17:16]
MolokoDesk	can I make the btc equivalent purchasing power of USD $1200 per month doing this?	[17:17]
RagnarDanneskjol	no	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	doing what exactly ? admining deeds bot ?	[17:17]
MolokoDesk	writing software and maintaining it on a priority level.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	that, yes. but you'll notice it's also unspecified.	[17:18]
MolokoDesk	ok. think of it as a retainer.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	derping around with bitcoin can in principle be very lucrative, but in practice it depends what you do.	[17:18]
MolokoDesk	or for whom you do it.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk retainers are useful where work is abundant and workers scarce. this is not the case in coding,	[17:18]
MolokoDesk	ok.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	which is why things like linux can exist in the first placew.	[17:19]
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MolokoDesk	linux has a lot of ancillary work it creates by people versed in the field and who know it's internals or can modify it. So the people working on it are contributing to it because besides being generallly useful and having the political influence it does, they make a lot of money on it.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	or for whom you do it. << well, yes, plenty of idiots manage to cosy up with the clueless and live decently in the process. not rly my cup of tea, but th world's full of tims and andreases.	[17:20]
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mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk quite exactly.	[17:20]
MolokoDesk	there's kind of an odd hybrid type of open source made by companies like Rackspace. they give the stuff away for free because it generates enormous amounts of work for them.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	!up ivok	[17:20]
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MolokoDesk	ok. I'm pretty much out then I think.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk among other things bitcoin is not very friendly to the fiat world model of work for hire. it very heavily favours the linux style of doing things.	[17:21]
MolokoDesk	well, increasing the number of stakeholders would make sense.	[17:21]
bounce	http://www.der-postillon.com/2014/09/telekom-stellt-kunden-datenubertragung.html	[17:21]
assbot	Der Postillon: Telekom stellt Kunden Datenbertragung an die NSA in Rechnung	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	not sure what you mean ?	[17:21]
dub	bounce: lol awesome	[17:22]
MolokoDesk	if the only people who care about developing bitcoin are stakeholders, then having more stakeholders means more development and more likelihood that bitcoin in particular and decentralized cryptocurrencies in general will be around in the desired form in the long run.	[17:22]
MolokoDesk	right now bitcoin has a spendability problem, along with the disincentive to spend created by the expectation of deflation.	[17:23]
RagnarDanneskjol	not really	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	bounce wait wtf, german telecom wants to charge users for being spied ?!	[17:23]
MolokoDesk	there's also the volatility issue, but that may smooth out under certain conditions.	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk the thing is, bitcoin isn't trying to make friends.	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	it's offering a narrow window for people to be friendly, is all.	[17:24]
bounce	check their home page	[17:24]
MolokoDesk	is it trying to survive though?	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	bounce o like an onion ?	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk in the sense the sun is "trying to survive".	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	it's not optional.	[17:24]
bounce	sort-of, yes	[17:24]
MolokoDesk	well. cryptography is a mathematical fact.	[17:24]
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MolokoDesk	he epiphenomena that grow out of that may not be.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	yeah but various implications flow from there.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	major point being that bitcoin is not epiphenomena.	[17:25]
kakobrekla	sun is "trying to survive". < remember the matrix clouds	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	the perceived world is an epiphenomenon of bitcoin	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yeah lol	[17:25]
kakobrekla	sun is just fine, earth on the other hand, fucked.	[17:26]
dub	thats actually not far from reality	[17:26]
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MolokoDesk	there's a notion called non-entailment. it describes the non-predictability of evolving systems that lose backward-linked information as they evolve and for which there are a large number of adjacent states for which the fitness landscape is unknown or unknowable.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	anyway, this philosophical arcana aside, i can see that people got bills to pay and so on, so. no argument from me.,	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk that's not an adequate model for things such as gravity.	[17:27]
MolokoDesk	ok. what happens if someone spends 12 million BTC to a non-stakeholder, someone who wants to use it as general purchasing power.	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	it's not like the future of the theory of gravity is uncertain. it's quite certain.	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	the future of any group of people is not certain, but nor does it matter so much,.	[17:27]
dub	one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur	[17:27]
MolokoDesk	well, general relativity isn't an adquate model for nonlinear systems.	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk as to your what happens : he becomes a stakeholder. there's a nice little fable re the nsa stash in the logs relating to this.	[17:28]
MolokoDesk	something we may agree on is that equlibrium models in macroeconomics aren't particularly descriptive, things like keynsian macroeconomics.	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475163 < that.	[17:28]
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mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk only thing i can agree about re keynesianism is that it's retarded	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather discuss actually self-aware religions than bizarre cults that claim they're not.	[17:29]
MolokoDesk	ok. we're in the same book there if not the same page.	[17:29]
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RagnarDanneskjol	ugh	[17:30]
MolokoDesk	economics as a persuasive force is intriguing. the way the statistical distribution of ideology follows various market forces.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	surely.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	but as a great man once said, "it is forbidden to teach nonsense. but the study of nonsense, that's scholarship"	[17:31]
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chetty	one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur// I think Iceland is taking care of that	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	chetty fortunately for all of us, the sulphur lobby ain't got money,	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	or else the entire us would be coated in fluoride	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	i mean sulfide whatever.	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	i miss the old days when us people were still living in africa where they belong and they fought "climate change" by digging holes in their labia.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	the current masquerade is not unlike that famous monkey	[17:35]
bounce	sulphur credits?	[17:35]
bounce	let's lobby the UN!	[17:35]
thestringpuller	But you're friendly mircea_popescu	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU << him	[17:35]
assbot	Ape With AK-47 - YouTube	[17:35]
MolokoDesk	I suspect they're trying to apply a watershed management model to the atmosphere.	[17:35]
thestringpuller	you are the 2nd nicest person i've met on the interwebs	[17:36]
dub	chetty: indeed	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller where'd you meet the other one ?	[17:36]
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bounce	internet-of-things mirror	[17:37]
dub	sa	[17:37]
thestringpuller	oh hanbot ? on the bitcointalk forums	[17:37]
thestringpuller	who other than a nice person would sacrifice their sanity to try an educate lemmings for a paycheck?	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	bounce "idiots seldom differ" is apparently a natural law, not merely a clever theorem.	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller an asshole ?	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	or otherwise, an underpaid public worker. like you know, a schoolteacher.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	MolokoDesk you know thinking about it... you're very likely exactly correct.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	first explanation i ever heard that fits the observable data and doesn't require active malice.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	which, contrary to what people think, is extremely expensive and thus quite a rare thing.	[17:40]
bounce	one might surmise that greatness of mind is orthogonal to what minds think about	[17:41]
asciilifeform	malice - expensive? sure. only in the sense an arsonist's ir laser to torch 'reichstag' from 10km away is expensive. the fuel for the fire - 'watershed management' or whatever idiocy of the day - is cheap.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, i mean psychologically expensive.	[17:41]
bounce	wtf is this watershed management model thing?	[17:41]
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mircea_popescu	and ftr, watershed management is, if somewhat staid, perfectly valid agriculture	[17:42]
asciilifeform	sure.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	which is a sort of engineering, for people thatdidn't get into metals scohol.	[17:42]
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asciilifeform	point being, a small (biomass-wise, in the count of active participants) malicious agenda goes a long way coupled with great quantity of passive (non-malicious executors) biomass.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	sure, but it's easier to teach someone math than to teach someone to be effectually malicious	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	and most people can't be bothered to learn math.	[17:44]
asciilifeform	teaching to follow directions and doing a maliciously-selected but eminently-reasonable thing - easy.	[17:44]
bounce	disagree. for malice you need a certain amount of cunning. if you have that, it's easy. if not, it's hard.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	sure. but those don't matter anyway.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you're basically looking at the cables. the cables aren't a machine, the transistors are th machine.	[17:45]
bounce	cunning and disregard for consequences or at least disbelief in your own responsibility	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	the nonlinear junction is the machine. and nonlinear junction is expensive.	[17:45]
asciilifeform	both are essentials of machine	[17:46]
asciilifeform	what is one, without other.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	bounce no see, the brain is not an abstraction, it's an evolved mechanism. thus it has some channels which work a certain way to maintain it alive. malice requires your ability to isolate super processes from micro processes, so to have the former work backwards.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	this is an extremely difficult proposition.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	hence the "conscience", a pop reference to that fixed cost.	[17:46]
bounce	without conscience there's no cost	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	no, the cost is there. conscience is just the name for it.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	the name for it you're familiar with, anyway.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	to bluntly simplify, what's good for the cell is good for the organ is good for the organism is good for the group is good for the world. and that's how it naturally acts.	[17:48]
bounce	not everyone is actually burdened by such a thing. there's a reason petty crooks end up in the slammer time and again: inability to own up to their own misdeeds, to admit it was them that dunnit.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	if you actually flip a bit in there, you'll need a shitton of boundry tests to not kill yourself with it.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	this is actually false.	[17:48]
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mircea_popescu	think about it : they DO end up back in, right ?	[17:48]
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mircea_popescu	they're not like 10x more difficult to catch each pass, are they ?	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	well then...	[17:48]
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bounce	most of the time not of their own volition.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[17:49]
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mircea_popescu	so then they are burdened.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	not in one way, but who says that's got to be the way.	[17:49]
bounce	then they get out, and are unburdened again. and right out after the easy low fruit they're not supposed to take again.	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	not at all.	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	they get out, still burdened by the ill effects of their mismanaged flipped bit	[17:50]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: no way! and yo upaid for the lemmings to be educated. that makes you a saint possibly.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	which is how they get caught. because the code is broken	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	and it's broken because malice is expensive to write in software.	[17:50]
thestringpuller	A truly selfless act.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	of any kind.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough.	[17:51]
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bounce	uhm. the expense is in the disagreeability of the rest of society, in fact it's the totality of society that bears the cost	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	not at all.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	the expense is in that it's fucking hard to have asm instructions add one way	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	and then arbitrary in the stack add the other way.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	and still have the rest of the code work.	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	let me go into details here, make a full model, save you some effort.	[17:53]
bounce	aight	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	suppose we live in a fully defined world with a fully exposed api consisting of two functions	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	rightthing() and wrongthing()	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	cell gets low on adp. cell calls rightthing() gets more energy.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	body gets low on glucose. pancreas calls rightthing() releases some glicogen from liver	[17:54]
thestringpuller	glycogen*	[17:54]
thestringpuller	(sorry)	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	person is hungry. calls rightthing() gets a job.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	now, obviously, person could also call wrongthing() steal bounce's sandwich.	[17:55]
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mircea_popescu	but the intricacies of calling wrongthing() in such a way as to not break the entire fucking stack are staggering.	[17:55]
thestringpuller	wrongthing can be right thing sometimes no?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	brain is a repeating mechanism. next time person is in situation he may call wrongthing() again at a wrong time.	[17:55]
thestringpuller	what if stealing is the persons job?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	how's one to know	[17:55]
thestringpuller	i.e. corporate espionage, professional art thief?	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	arguably.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	which is why this is so damned expensive.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	but if anyone's looking for intricate ways to waste their time, feel free to model a 5 layer system of successive binary calls like that, see how it affects population survavibility and how much space you need to be able to safely fire off both kinds.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	should take care of about a year's worth of your time.	[17:58]
thestringpuller	or a year of a computer's time?	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	at a damage of 14.4k, as per the most recent data.	[17:58]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[17:59]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 379.9, Best ask: 380.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 380.0, 24 hour volume: 14599.26597529, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.557080625	[17:59]
bounce	it seems to me that the prevalence of crime even in an otherwise well-run system would indicate that this model of implied excessive cost isn't representative	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the implications of a call aren't always obvious, which is a point well understood by security analysts, especilally with all the practice of late, and also how we ended up with all that sweet greek mythology about fate.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	bounce i don't follow the logic there.	[18:01]
bounce	.oO( efficacy of greek mythology vs. computer security, discuss in a ten page essay )	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	im saying routers are expensive, you're saying there's a lot of internet traffic.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	ok. so ?	[18:01]
bounce	there's plenty routers that do mostly the right thing but then subtly the wrong thing in some cases, and the costs doesn't show up as prohibitive	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	not a good rendition of the analogy tho.	[18:03]
bounce	(there's this example of big brand name (cisco, forgot the model) routers taking ttl 0 packets and sending them out again with ttl 255)	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	let's approach this with different instrumentation.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	where do you suppose it's more likely for a suprlus to accumulate, urban or rural setting ?	[18:04]
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bounce	surplus in what sense?	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	any sense.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	some sort of resource.	[18:04]
kakobrekla	urban = surplus of garbage, rural = surplus of garbage disposal area	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	uh. a hole is not a resource.	[18:05]
bounce	well, I'd imagine that food surplusses are more likely in rural settings, and surplusses of "unwanted things" would be more likely in urban areas	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	bounce who's morel ikely to be rich ?	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	if i show you two people that's all you know about em.	[18:06]
kakobrekla	can you dig infinite amount of holes? no.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla yes, because i can dig hole within hole.	[18:06]
kakobrekla	thats where the human fish lives.	[18:06]
kakobrekla	(aka Proteus anguinus)	[18:07]
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mircea_popescu	bounce also, postmodernism is fucking with me. pretend the year is 1950.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	back when urban and rural even meant something anymore.	[18:07]
bounce	there'll be yokels and fat farmers just like there'll be city bums and rich city folk. though I suppose the city folk might be more likely to have opportunity to amass riches.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	aand where's malice going to be found as an art for its own sake ?	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	peasants can't afford to be assholes.	[18:08]
bounce	well, you won't find cattle rustlers in the city	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	the "good hardworking type" myth is exactly that, too fucking exhausted to be evil.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	bounce yes, you will. spending their cattle rustling money trying to impress the wenches.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	;;seen klye	[18:09]
gribble	klye was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	and since we're on it, the "keep her busy" ideology of metastatic xtianity is exactly the same. "no time to think evil." they actually go out and say it.	[18:10]
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thickasthieves	all stress is an expense	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves quite.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	and here we make the junction with how lying is an expensive activity - you gotta keep track of all the lies.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	same principle.	[18:11]
bounce	though I'll grant that mobsters risk stomach ulcers more than most other people	[18:11]
thickasthieves	<+mircea_popescu> thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. // is there a difference, maybe a saint was "rich" enough too	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	bounce never knew one that had ulcer. plenty of govt drones did, tho. fancy that.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves can you name a rich saint ?	[18:11]
*	bounce was referring to some scientific study or other. says something about gov't dunnit guv	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla wow i had no idea.	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	salamanders apparently.	[18:12]
thickasthieves	define rich	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	uhm. enough to pay girlies to show their tits ? i dunno.	[18:13]
thickasthieves	without restraints, might be my definition	[18:14]
thickasthieves	freedom	[18:14]
bounce	though the expense of lies is exactly in the tracking to try and keep'em straight. in some circles the lies fly so thick that everybody knows there's lots of lying going on, so there's very little point in keeping'em straight	[18:14]
thickasthieves	when you are rich enough to do wtf you want, you can practice sainthood and all kinds of "expensive" behavior	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	bounce right back to the routers example :)	[18:15]
bounce	does mean a lot of arguing and "convincing" and other crap. doesn't mean the cost keeps on going up; at some point the belief just stops.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	exactly, an abundance in practice does not speak as to how the behaviour is expensive.	[18:15]
bounce	practicing for sainthood isn't that expensive really.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	thickasthieves or just as well could not	[18:15]
thickasthieves	it's very expensive	[18:16]
thickasthieves	imo	[18:16]
thickasthieves	sainthood might even be one of the most expensive things	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	i'm with him. telling an asshole to go fuck himself is hands down the hardest thing for people.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	btw.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	;;google other people's lives	[18:16]
gribble	Other People's Lives (2011) - IMDb: ; The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb: ; MODEST MOUSE LYRICS - Other People's Lives - A-Z Lyrics:	[18:16]
thickasthieves	the only real currency we have is time	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	totally the illustration for this.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/ < that one.	[18:17]
assbot	The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb	[18:17]
thickasthieves	telling an asshole to go fuck himself isnt that expensive, but getting him to agree and understand is	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	uh. that's nonsense.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	how are ~you~ going to ... ~get him to~	[18:18]
thickasthieves	go fuck yourself	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	no u.	[18:19]
thickasthieves	such battle!	[18:19]
bounce	go on, you know you wanna	[18:19]
thickasthieves	!b 7	[18:19]
assbot	Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0Z82DJ3.txt )	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	fucking oneself ain't all that it's cracked up to be anyway.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	(geddit ? cracked hah hah)	[18:20]
thickasthieves	lol	[18:20]
bounce	quick, cracked on reddit	[18:21]
bounce	geddit.com, all the jokes from reddit	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	reddit has jokes now ?!	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	"knock knock" "whos there" "privilege checking"	[18:21]
mats_cd03	gag	[18:27]
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chetty	http://dailysignal.com/2014/09/29/florida-woman-arrested-possession-spaghettios/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social	[18:42]
assbot	Woman Arrested for Possession of SpaghettiOs?	[18:42]
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bounce	wonder if you can quantify the damage to society by things like that month in jail for essentially no reason	[18:47]
chetty	the fear of it is a lot bigger problem	[18:48]
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chetty	per trilema latest article ...insecurity	[18:48]
thickasthieves	chill factor	[18:48]
thickasthieves	now i cant feel safe with utensils in car	[18:49]
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bounce	the fear of it and the government losing legitimacy, yes. wasn't thinking just the economic side of things.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	bounce it's not the month in jail, just like the problem with stealing isn't really that omg, someone's going to miss what you stole.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	it's the fact that she now can't plan, because lo and behold, randomly sent to jail.	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	so why even bother with those violin classes she was saving up for ?	[18:50]
thickasthieves	music industry death by spoon	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	it's deeper than the govt legitimacy problem, too. it's the conventional nature of it that's the major destructive factor.	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	were she mauled by a savage beast, while unfortunate, it is quite natural.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	but this is conventional and as such brings into question convention altgoether, as a device.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	which is a lot more than the statal excrescency on human society.	[18:52]
chetty	(we leave out the month she probably ought to get for eating that crud, but I digress)	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	bounce to rehash a limb of the previous discussion, you maybe heard that the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on. same thing with your thief : the opportunity cost of being a criminal is major in that you don't feel as much pressure to develop more useful traits.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	for instance, hand't i been a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up a major revolutionary entrepreneur.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	the moral of this koan being that nothing is quantifiable, except for the things which are already : energy and matter. not space, not time, not the chain of causality.	[18:57]
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bounce	well, if you go there I say "uncertainty principle" and energy and matter go out the window too	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	the uncertainity principle is exactly due to their being quantified	[19:04]
bounce	or we could consider that accounting seems pretty solid on the outside but then proceeds to consist of lots and lots of handwaving. "what's this worth? well, uhm... how about $thismuch?"	[19:05]
bounce	so the question is more of a "can we put some numbers on this?", of about the same accuracy as typical economic numbers like GDP	[19:06]
chetty	accounting, also know as legerdemain	[19:06]
bounce	could even work out what's supposed to be the optimal speed through the system and so what the size of the various budgets like for forensic labs should be	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	well of course we can put some numbers on this.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	4.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	or if you want i has larger amounts of numbers too.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	suppose you tell me what number you'd like put on it and we can both go home having recreated the entire us state in five minutes.	[19:09]
bounce	doesn't say what the bond was set at	[19:09]
chetty	42	[19:10]
bounce	4 is random enough for me, thanks	[19:10]
thickasthieves	silver and gold are hurtin	[19:24]
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mats_cd03	i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is a common name for whites or blacks through research	[19:30]
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Dimsler	http://www.funcage.com/blog/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-53-photos/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-014/	[19:31]
assbot	Most-Popular-Baby-Names-for-Girls-in-the-USA-014 \| FunCage	[19:31]
Dimsler	http://www.funcage.com/blog/most-popular-baby-names-for-girls-in-the-usa-53-photos/	[19:31]
assbot	Most Popular Baby Names for Girls in the USA (53 Photos)	[19:31]
Dimsler	looks like 91 / 92 was the ashleys	[19:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00075111 = 10.6658 BTC [-]	[19:39]
mats_cd03	my research suggests it is a predominantly white surname.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	ashely ? prolly.	[19:40]
Dimsler	probably a whitey then	[19:41]
mats_cd03	and somewhat tangentially, http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/data/2000surnames/surnames.pdf	[19:41]
mats_cd03	>> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7%	[19:41]
thickasthieves	never met a person with any of those	[19:41]
Dimsler	well huff might be some form of bastardization	[19:41]
thickasthieves	:)	[19:42]
Dimsler	could have been huffington	[19:42]
thickasthieves	yeha huff sounds like some euro name that got chopped during immigrations	[19:42]
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mats_cd03	i have met people with all of those surnames	[19:43]
Dimsler	lol those are all predmoninatly german / jew	[19:44]
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mats_cd03	being born a german jew would probably be equivalent to living life on easy mode	[19:48]
mats_cd03	oughta develop a dope addiction. balance things out.	[19:48]
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bounce	that really doesn't make sense	[19:50]
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mats_cd03	my reality is warped	[19:51]
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bounce	rode to school in the warped bus, eh	[19:52]
chetty	hahahaha: tweet: There's not much room left under the Obama bus.	[19:52]
mike_c	;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report.	[19:53]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:53]
mike_c	kakobrekla: ping.	[19:54]
mike_c	and for the record, moving sucks.	[19:54]
kakobrekla	even if its just the servers.	[19:55]
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bounce	on that note, next after obamaman will be what, a republican, maybe a tea-partier, and he'll go make war on whose asses?	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 pretty much central europeans are the us repository of whiteness.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of a usa is maintained hence.	[20:03]
bounce	o_O?	[20:04]
bounce	yet another "yes we can"-campaign then?	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	maybe hilary runs	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	or who knows.	[20:05]
bounce	michele vs. hillary	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	maybe you get to have some actual fun and the same candidate is endorsed by both caucuses	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	"national unity"	[20:06]
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bounce	won't happen. this schizophrenic one party system has a serious aversion to truth in politics.	[20:06]
bounce	and it'd fsck with the sport of brinkmanship	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	depends where the angle is.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	usians are notoriously idiotic in that they act all smug about how they're special to have had an axe handle shoved up the butt.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	so maybe we get to see the first one party system in history where people enthusiastically support the idea.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	(first only in the us sense of that term, of course)	[20:08]
bounce	(which is the only things that counts. provincials.)	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	you could say that before angie duff of derpytown, montana thought to dress in a sheet for her school play role as a roman matron	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	nobody even knew that's how the roman matrons dressed.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	all her.	[20:09]
asciilifeform	single-party << usa had this, in multi-muppet mode, for years.	[20:17]
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punkman	http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0HL1ZV20140926?irpc=932	[20:51]
assbot	Germany plans tougher controls on would-be jihadists	[20:51]
bounce	let'em go and never let'em return	[20:52]
punkman	lulzy https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/09/27/heroin-takes-life-flagship-campus-umass-did-university-enough/KeUcRPH2VyQWmI0lhii01K/story.html	[20:53]
assbot	UMass police helped keep student's addiction secret - Metro - The Boston Globe	[20:53]
punkman	http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/80048	[20:59]
assbot	NME News Label to allow retroactive product placement in music videos \| NME.COM	[20:59]
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punkman	"nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it	[21:07]
punkman	http://www.computer.org/cms/Computer.org/ComputingNow/2022Report.pdf	[21:08]
punkman	http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/sep/19/france-army-of-grape-pickers-harvest-in-pictures	[21:10]
assbot	Harvest for the world: France's army of grape-pickers in pictures \| Art and design \| The Guardian	[21:10]
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punkman	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/09/29/the-hot-new-consent-app-good2go-is-logging-the-name-and-phone-number-of-everyone-you-have-sex-with/	[21:18]
assbot	The hot new ‘consent’ app, Good2Go, is logging the name and phone number of everyone you have sex with - The Washington Post	[21:18]
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punkman	https://twitter.com/fonebtc/status/516556693950713856	[21:25]
assbot	/bruces Nobody wants to see Buffet naked.	[21:25]
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punkman	check out JuliaTourianski spreading the word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKVb2xFtoro	[21:31]
assbot	Do You Want Your Bitcoin Stolen? - YouTube	[21:31]
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hanbot	punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising	[21:38]
hanbot	let's leave out the question of whether you should fuck if your decision making relies on a dumbed-down cosmo quiz and pepper the name of the thing with "hot" and "trendy"	[21:39]
hanbot	all while catering to what insecure users would actually like, which is broadcasting their conquests, real or imagined, to the world.	[21:40]
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punkman	http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/18/can-someone-just-invent-an-i-consent-to	[21:47]
assbot	Can Someone Just Invent an 'I Consent to Sex' iPhone App Already? - Hit & Run : Reason.com	[21:47]
punkman	"The legislature is telling state universities to more aggressively involve themselves in their students' sex lives."	[21:48]
punkman	I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt	[21:48]
bounce	"help them"? it'll claim the rights and fsck the students.	[21:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0007503 = 11.4046 BTC [-]	[21:53]
punkman	bounce, perfect	[21:54]
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hanbot	lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams.	[21:58]
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asciilifeform	the 'sex contract' app may be lame - but there's an actual market for solving actual problem there.	[22:02]
asciilifeform	unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport.	[22:03]
asciilifeform	there's an interesting set of legal precedents in usa, invalidating any and all concept of sex contract (consent can be withdrawn, e.g., five minutes... 'in' - and thereby, retroactively, if you like, because 'i cancelled five minutes in, in my head, after that it was a rape') etc.	[22:05]
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mats_cd03	not just usa. ask mr. assange	[22:09]
asciilifeform	'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies.	[22:10]
hanbot	asciilifeform> unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport << which is why using app as palliative is particularly heinous (or particularly attractive depending on user sanity)	[22:13]
asciilifeform	hanbot: this is reminiscent of the debate regarding whether folks being burned at the stake should or should not get a little sack of gunpowder to wear around their neck	[22:14]
asciilifeform	hanbot: or whether folks sentenced to sit on a stake should get oiled or not oiled stake.	[22:14]
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bounce	so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser?	[22:16]
asciilifeform	bounce: 'if you gotta ask, answer is no' or something like that.	[22:16]
asciilifeform	(if i had answer, i'd be posting 'best of buenos aires restaurants' photos along with mircea_popescu)	[22:17]
hanbot	why not the debate regarding whether people drowning in puddles should be given a swat?	[22:18]
asciilifeform	basic mechanics of escape from a gravity well - and of escape from a country - are very similar, i dare say. you need sufficient energy (usually in the form of hard currency, but can be some unusual substitute like familial, mob, or military 'in	[22:19]
asciilifeform	' connections)	[22:19]
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asciilifeform	problem of escape is also usefully divisible into two distinct sub-problems - how to get out of X, and how to find Y such that you can eat there and avoid whatever it was that you weren't so fond of at X.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	-- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here.	[22:23]
hanbot	never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik.	[22:23]
thickasthieves	;;ticker	[22:23]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 390.04, Best ask: 391.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.96000, Last trade: 391.0, 24 hour volume: 15803.69862757, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 393.8, 24 hour vwap: 378.10556746	[22:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15775 @ 0.00075285 = 11.8762 BTC [+]	[22:24]
punkman	from over here, it looks to me like half of you wannabe escapees just love murica too much to leave	[22:24]
asciilifeform	folks who actually want to escape from -everything-... fellate their pistols. a more selective solution - takes finesse and resources.	[22:24]
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asciilifeform	punkman: i personally don't know anyone in love with the geography. but people do get attached to food, shelter.	[22:26]
hanbot	-- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people << always a bitch. the good kind, tho'.	[22:26]
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asciilifeform	most people in usa understand that no one, across any ocean, is holding his breath waiting for them.	[22:28]
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hanbot	food and shelter are a lot easier to acquire when you let go of stuff you don't need. that latter part tends to be harder.	[22:33]
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asciilifeform	hanbot: if you've the time - elaborate. which things ought people let go of ?	[22:33]
asciilifeform	hanbot: if you meant luxuries - cars, houses, etc. - americans are having a fine time 'letting go' of these, with a little help from an imploding economy and hungry creditors...	[22:36]
hanbot	well naturally varies from one person to the next. if there were an omnipotent list it'd effectively remove the likely most widespread item: fear.	[22:36]
asciilifeform	hanbot: dare i ask, what did you personally let go of.	[22:37]
hanbot	in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited.	[22:42]
hanbot	kinda like getting served a bad meal at some restaurant and deciding you're not going there anymore, whether it's the only restaurant in town or not, whether that's where all your friends go, etc.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	hanbot: with the exception of hereditary peasants, bound to the soil, etc - can't picture who is attached to the 'place' per se	[22:44]
asciilifeform	hanbot: friends - sure. (though they are still your friends, presumably, over telegraph)	[22:45]
hanbot	eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them!	[22:47]
hanbot	and it may not be the place per se, love for a certain avenue or whatnot, but fear of what's left when x certification or y language mastery doesn't matter so much anymore.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	hanbot: i suspect that it isn't leaving with suitcase that bothers people, but for the most part a rational calculation of whether leaving would in fact give them increased freedom - or not - to do the kind of things they actually want to do.	[22:48]
hanbot	hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box?	[22:50]
asciilifeform	hanbot: usually, by the time leaving seems like a good idea regardless, it is far too late.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	hanbot: so you stay in.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	hanbot: possibly try to construct a suit, sure. but not going into vacuum until suit is reasonably airtight.	[22:51]
punkman	so it's a rationalizing calculation :P	[22:51]
asciilifeform	punkman: rationalizing << let's have the harsh light of the cold truth, then..?	[22:53]
hanbot	well if you can and want to use assumptions about the space outside, that works. the problem is those assumptions may well be poor given data collection capabilities from inside the box, and for all you know you're being fed data to make you toil over impossible suits for the purpose of keeping you inside.	[22:53]
punkman	asciilifeform: what the hell do I know, I'm far away	[22:56]
asciilifeform	hanbot: i can only speak for myself, really, but i do have a fairly solid picture of what kind of life folks with profession similar to my own live, in various parts of the world, and how much sweat they must sweat, vs. i at my duties, and so forth.	[22:56]
asciilifeform	i should probably point out that unlike many people i know in usa, i'm generally more interested in aggregate free time than usual luxuries. this gives me a somewhat perverse incentive structure.	[22:58]
bounce	thou shalt consuuuuuuuuuume	[22:58]
asciilifeform	happy to consume: food, water, plenty of mains current, the occasional bit of scrap metal.	[22:59]
bounce	the state religion for domestic consumtion (the pun is mandatory, citizen). the one for export is called "democracy". and the motivation is "let's find us something to make war against"	[23:00]
bounce	apparently that's all they need to keep ticking.	[23:00]
asciilifeform	the picture of usa 'ticking' because of some abstract ideal like 'war' or 'consumption' is mistake. rather it's more like the tissues of a corpse that can ferment anaerobically, living on for days or even weeks past burial	[23:01]
hanbot	asciilifeform well that's cool, gotta work with what you've got and all. if what you've got is profession-dictated structure, then sure, i can see it. it's an uncomfortable thought but at some point it may become necessary to weigh the importance of that structure against the importance of freedom.	[23:01]
hanbot	which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar?	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell mats_cd03 I'll prolly have a list soon	[23:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:02]
hanbot	soft nose ---> sharp metal points repeatedly probably not in his manual	[23:03]
bounce	the state doesn't seem quite dead yet. crumbling, grasping, but not quite dead yet.	[23:03]
asciilifeform	hanbot: it isn't really a 'profession structure' in my case. yes, for some people, 'i'm a lawyer and without that i'm nothing, where's my pistol' etc. these folks dropped like flies in '90s russia, say. but i'm more of - 'if i can move across the sea, but have to work as shoemaker in a cellar for 12h day, instead of 'turning the right screw' here in usa, why do i need to buy plane ticket? i can do the shoemaker th	[23:04]
xanthyos	;;later tell davidldubuc glad you dug your private key out of that train station dumpster.	[23:06]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:06]
hanbot	ah, so not an issue of "can't" then, but of not being worth it? well that's perfectly sound. most people i talk to about leaving the us are on the "can't" wagon.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	hanbot: technically, anyone who can scrape together the loose change for a plane ticket - and can physically get to airport - 'can.'	[23:07]
asciilifeform	hanbot: just like the fellow in space capsule, simply can open air lock and see the stars.	[23:07]
hanbot	yes, but in their own minds. they'll contract flesh-eating muggerbugs or w/e and not be able to find any toilet paper.	[23:08]
danielpbarron	xanthyos, lol did he really?	[23:08]
xanthyos	omg danielpbarron is speaking to me	[23:09]
xanthyos	no, it's a joke that he might	[23:09]
xanthyos	and only then be able to receive the msg	[23:09]
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xanthyos	someone on tinychat tried to sell me btc, i set a price 5% under spot and was ready to buy, thesy stlled me out for hours, then said they changed their mind	[23:12]
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danielpbarron	i don't think the price will go much lower than 380	[23:13]
xanthyos	i do, but i'm going long term	[23:13]
xanthyos	i can afford to go bust, i'm not going all in	[23:13]
danielpbarron	you should bet on this then http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/bitcoin-to-drop-under-350-before-november/	[23:15]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November :: 32.73 B (58%) on Yes, 23.94 B (42%) on No \| closing in 1 week 3 days \| weight: 24`802 (100`000 to 1)	[23:15]
xanthyos	haven't heard from stander since nitrogensports.eu opened and had a promised 5 btc freeroll on opening night, then was conveniently ddossed, and promises a 10 btc freeroll that has yet to be scheduled	[23:15]
danielpbarron	hah!	[23:15]
xanthyos	basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot	[23:15]
hanbot	asciilifeform incidentally this has left me wondering what free time is worth if you don't perceive that you're free. if you can still do all you want to do, though, great!	[23:16]
BingoBoingo	%t	[23:16]
atcbot	No data returned from X-BT.com	[23:16]
asciilifeform	hanbot: for me, it's the question of imprisoned now or later.	[23:16]
xanthyos	so now any future freeroll will be from the rake they've generated and they can promote it without risking any overhead btc	[23:16]
xanthyos	jsut a theory	[23:16]
danielpbarron	p.good theory	[23:16]
asciilifeform	hanbot: if i had to do a conventional 'job', with physical movement and shifts, the kind that actually leaves you tired at the end of a day - that'd be much like prison.	[23:17]
asciilifeform	hanbot: mircea_popescu was once puzzled why people will break their backs to make pennies 'while they sleep.' i always understood why.	[23:18]
danielpbarron	i like being tired at the end of the day; it's the all-year-long monotony of "conventional" jobs that I loath	[23:18]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: tired is fine when you tired because you were acting on own volition.	[23:19]
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*	hanbot is attempting to sort out the transactional mess here	[23:20]
asciilifeform	hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time.	[23:20]
*	bounce was just reading a text about buddhism, from some tibetan guy went and lived in the yoosah. said it was all about freedom. and that it's all in your mind. that's right, freedom in your mind. -- maybe this'll go over better if actually imprisoned in the yoosah, maybe.	[23:21]
mod6	%t	[23:22]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192	[23:22]
asciilifeform	perhaps also worth noting is that, imho, 'free time' is not only a freedom to act, but having with what to act. hence there is a difference between the free time of prisoner and non-prisoner.	[23:25]
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mats_cd03	so lets cut to the chase. do you have a number for your 'fuck you money'?	[23:27]
xanthyos	!up bagels7	[23:27]
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hanbot	so if i'm condensing this correctly, you want time in which to not be told what to do (free time), for which you must pay with an overarching adherence to what you're told to do (living in us)?	[23:27]
asciilifeform	mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you.	[23:28]
asciilifeform	hanbot: naturally, i, and everything alive, would rather have ininite pony and pay with - nothing. but thermodynamics disagrees.	[23:29]
xanthyos	http://gyazo.com/fa0f791df6b69f90519a710446b1a903 << neat software	[23:31]
thickasthieves	limits are liberating	[23:31]
thickasthieves	if you could do anything anytime, you might do nothing all the time	[23:32]
thickasthieves	context	[23:32]
asciilifeform	thickasthieves: arbeit macht frei ?	[23:32]
hanbot	asciilifeform: indeed. does thermodynamics preclude there being moar options besides submission to big bad or nothing, tho?	[23:32]
thickasthieves	i wouldnt put it that way ascii, but sure	[23:33]
asciilifeform	!s cheetah zoo	[23:33]
assbot	3 results for 'cheetah zoo' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=cheetah+zoo	[23:33]
thickasthieves	the problem i have is that i think it's okay to be free enough to do nothing all the time	[23:33]
thickasthieves	so work specificlaly isnt exactly better, but it is liberating	[23:34]
asciilifeform	for some people, having a master feels liberating, sure. no disputing this.	[23:35]
thickasthieves	we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach	[23:35]
xanthyos	http://gyazo.com/1508630f72c79ffef7537fbe53afcb1f	[23:35]
hanbot	godspeed freedom cheetah	[23:35]
asciilifeform	cheetah needs to find hole. or invent bolt-cutters.	[23:36]
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asciilifeform	notice that 'wait to be lifted' isn't on the list. no one steals a cheetah except to place in another zoo.	[23:37]
thickasthieves	some cheetahs are used for gene diversification	[23:37]
thickasthieves	notexactly a zoo, but similar in practice	[23:38]
asciilifeform	thickasthieves: that would fall under 'other zoo' scenario, no ?	[23:38]
thickasthieves	in the end yeah, many such conservations even have tours...	[23:38]
hanbot	did the ELF never steal a cheetah?	[23:39]
asciilifeform	steal and turn loose in africa, or on city streets ? makes a difference.	[23:40]
hanbot	eh i guess they didn't (searching turns up some delightful headlines however, incl. "Rx Generic Viagra - The Parrot Liberation Front"). anyway, i suppose he's free to die trying.	[23:44]
bounce	just dying isn't really allowed, no	[23:45]
asciilifeform	fortunately, dying trying doesn't cost anything.	[23:45]
BingoBoingo	mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames	[23:50]
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atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192	[23:52]
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