Forum logs for 30 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
The20YearIRCloud at what price? [00:00]
nubbins` around 10-12 iirc [00:01]
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The20YearIRCloud He sell when it was $20-$48? [00:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22983 @ 0.00075309 = 17.3083 BTC [+] {2} [00:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15917 @ 0.00075345 = 11.9927 BTC [+] {2} [00:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00075354 = 14.6187 BTC [+] {2} [00:09]
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assbot Biologists find an early sign of cancer | MIT News Office [00:17]
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BingoBoingo [00:22]
assbot Cory Maye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [00:22]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Interesting write up. I do wonder though why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 [00:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19084 @ 0.00075286 = 14.3676 BTC [-] [00:31]
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assbot Meth charge dropped after only spaghetti sauce found on spoon [00:32]
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Azelphur BingoBoingo: I feel this is relevant [00:38]
assbot How To Make Pancakes Like A Druggie - YouTube [00:38]
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jborkl_ wtf is up with assbot, shithead [00:38]
jborkl_ thank you for the up BingoBoingo [00:39]
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jborkl_ is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? [00:44]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: Nice [00:45]
jurov ;;gettrust assbot jborkl_ [00:48]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jborkl_!~jborkl@unaffiliated/jborkl. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012 [00:48]
jurov assbot doesn't know you [00:50]
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chetty [00:58]
assbot US Judge Griesa holds Argentina in contempt in debt case| Reuters [00:58]
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mircea_popescu hahaha [01:10]
mircea_popescu how does that work. [01:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why they picked OS 9 and not... 7 << 9 is the end of that line, wtf would you want with 7 [01:12]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: afaik, no serious bloat or otherwise objectionable item was introduced between 7 and 9 (unless you really hate colour display) [01:13]
* asciilifeform not mac expert [01:13]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well their previous archeology experiment was DOS... Also 7.X series supports color. [01:14]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: so unearthing 7 would be akin to using, say, dos 2 instead of 6. [01:16]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: no reason whatsoever to do this, unless ancient proggy demands it [01:16]
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BingoBoingo Well 9 doesn't run on 68k hardware... [01:17]
asciilifeform afaik - 8 did [01:17]
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BingoBoingo 8 does, but requires... greasing [01:18]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: incidentally, do you own an 'amiga' ? [01:18]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture [01:18]
BingoBoingo No, but I've looked at some [01:19]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? [01:22]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, what's the reason that payment this week is considerably less than previous ones? [01:28]
cazalla cyber lashing for being lazy previous week? [01:29]
asciilifeform << lol, own goals: 1 [01:31]
assbot Search For Eric Frein Shifts | [01:31]
xanthyos heh, oliver twist asking mr bumble for some more [01:32]
cazalla asciilifeform, reads like First Blood [01:33]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: what, if anything, do you use for a www browser on your 68k ? << Telling people their websites are broken [01:33]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: 68k, and very highly developed asm/demo culture << I may eventually pick one up. [01:34]
asciilifeform cazalla: or like eric frank russell's 'wasp'. [01:34]
asciilifeform cazalla: imagine if instead of one desperado, 100. each in different city. [01:35]
asciilifeform but, as in 'wasp', one suffices. [01:35]
asciilifeform or, suppose herr frein studied, e.g., robotics, and/or aeronautics, or, ..., ..., instead (or in addition to) small arms. [01:36]
asciilifeform !s clever poor [01:36]
assbot 2 results for 'clever poor' : [01:36]
mats_cd03 17:42:24 <+jborkl_> is there a new assbot rule I am not aware of? << 26-09-2014 21:31:23 ;;unrate jborkl_ [01:46]
mats_cd03 oh wait, he quit. [01:47]
mircea_popescu this minimum effort bs, meh. [01:49]
mircea_popescu cazalla apparently i can't zero. [01:49]
mircea_popescu fixing sorry. [01:49]
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mircea_popescu los_pantalones: then tried to sell them OTC using bitpay as broker << mostly because everyone else had more sense than to be involved. [01:51]
mircea_popescu but bitpay gotta stick with the old ring of scammers because why not. [01:52]
cazalla midnightmagic, np ty [01:52]
mircea_popescu TomServo: Is this bizarro world? <<< well lenovo isn't a us state corp. [01:52]
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mircea_popescu getting ACTUAL dollars, ie, reducing your external debt, ios a whole different story from shuffling bezzlars among the branches of state / various state owned entreprises in a ridiculous but doomed attempt to simulate a working economy [01:53]
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[]bot Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" Odds: 54(Y):46(N) by coin, 59(Y):41(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.64957118 BTC. Current weight: 55,810. [01:59]
peterl_ why doesn't Lenovo capitalize their name? for the longest time I thoght it was Ienovo [02:02]
BingoBoingo ;;google Ienovo [02:03]
gribble ‪#‎ienovo‬ - Facebook: ; Ienovo A680 - Phone & Gadget Accessories for sale in Cheras ...: ; Ienovo - Lenovo: [02:03]
BingoBoingo ;;google 1enovo [02:04]
gribble .minecraft com mods Basicos/Optifine & Rei's Minimap 1.5.1 e novo ...: ; High Res - Lenovo Partner Network: ; details - Lenovo: (1 more message) [02:04]
dub yeah! or just spell phonetically: renovo [02:06]
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BingoBoingo << Dominoes [02:14]
assbot Drug case that won Darren Wilson an award at risk : News [02:14]
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thickasthieves cheap coins will be over soon methinks [02:22]
thickasthieves maybe last hoorah tonight [02:22]
RagnarDanneskjol why? [02:23]
dub solid TA there [02:23]
thickasthieves well if you want charts go to my site, but i havent published any lately [02:23]
TheNewDeal Please explain [02:23]
thickasthieves but ive charted this thing inside and out and it's just a probable thing according to my tea leaves [02:24]
thickasthieves doesnt mean it's gonna happen [02:24]
dub whats your traderview again [02:24]
* dub should think about storing bookmarks outside his browser history [02:25]
thickasthieves [02:25]
assbot BTCUSD BFX - Repeating Waves? - TradingView [02:25]
BingoBoingo << TaT blog [02:25]
assbot The Devil's Advocate | Telling it like it might be. [02:25]
cazalla cheap coins, no cash, have car rego and insurance to pay this friday, that burns more than having bought previously at higher price [02:25]
thickasthieves my outlook hasnt really changed for a while [02:25]
dub 3rd world problems [02:25]
thickasthieves just took longer than i initially figured [02:26]
BingoBoingo [02:26]
assbot White House intruder ran past door, over Secret Service agent, into East Room. [02:26]
mircea_popescu [02:27]
assbot Hitlers unge ddsgud - VG+ [02:27]
mircea_popescu heh [02:27]
dub is this becoming a sport? how far can you make it into the wh [02:27]
mircea_popescu dub im rooting for the "we fucked in the white house" blog [02:27]
TheNewDeal ;;Bc,stats [02:30]
gribble Current Blocks: 323110 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1465 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32445954336.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.39175 [02:30]
xanthyos what about a "what illegal things can we get to grow on the whitehouse lawn" sport [02:32]
mircea_popescu well that takes time [02:32]
peterl_ white house weed? [02:32]
xanthyos mushrooms pop up overnite [02:32]
thickasthieves i always wanted to get an asston of pot seeds and go johnny appleseed across the nation [02:33]
dub parts of china are like that apparently [02:33]
thickasthieves just make the thing a weed [02:33]
dub grows everywhere, locals mostly dont know what it is [02:33]
peterl_ are seeds expensive? [02:34]
thickasthieves dunno [02:34]
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xanthyos only if feminized [02:34]
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mircea_popescu dude this "solutions" bullshit. everyone and their "solution". you can't buy a fucking corkscrew, it's gotta be a bottle opening solution [02:34]
thickasthieves perfect [02:34]
peterl_ the other question, would growing wild still produce useable product? [02:34]
dub eys [02:34]
dub yes [02:34]
xanthyos it wouldn't be as nice but it would do the trick [02:35]
thickasthieves well people would just grow their own if they wanted after that [02:35]
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peterl_ quantity makes up for low quality? [02:35]
thickasthieves cant realli be illegal if it's everywhere [02:35]
thickasthieves same for bitcoin really [02:36]
dub isnt it already heading that way? [02:36]
dub weed not btc [02:36]
thickasthieves well its changing quickly [02:36]
xanthyos dmt is illegal and it exists in the pineal gland of every brain [02:36]
thickasthieves i remember 5 yrs ago i told my wife itd be legal in US in our lifetime and she said no way [02:37]
thickasthieves i doubt she'd disagree today [02:37]
dub yeah sentiment be changing from the 50s where anything the govt said was true [02:37]
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peterl_ but will other drugs still be illegal, or will there always be a "off-limits" list? [02:37]
mircea_popescu !up AMDCeleron [02:37]
-assbot- You voiced AMDCeleron for 30 minutes. [02:37]
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AMDCeleron whats up everyone [02:38]
AMDCeleron i love the name assbot [02:38]
mircea_popescu dub mostly because the govt's been changing. back in the 50s, most of what it said actually was close enough [02:38]
AMDCeleron who made assbot? [02:38]
mircea_popescu AMDCeleron who're you ? [02:38]
AMDCeleron a celeron processor made by amd [02:38]
peterl_ are you a bot? [02:38]
AMDCeleron no [02:39]
AMDCeleron i am a loser [02:39]
AMDCeleron what are you [02:39]
AMDCeleron what are you? [02:39]
peterl_ I'm a chemist [02:39]
mircea_popescu mkay this is not going so well. [02:39]
AMDCeleron ? [02:39]
AMDCeleron intel inside celeron n2830 [02:39]
mircea_popescu !down AMDCeleron [02:39]
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mircea_popescu gimme my voice back. [02:39]
peterl_ lol [02:40]
xanthyos ;;gettrust AMDCeleron [02:40]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xanthyos to user AMDCeleron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [02:40]
peterl_ that was quick, usually you let them play longer [02:40]
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mircea_popescu i guess im growing old. [02:41]
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BingoBoingo !up meowmix [02:42]
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mircea_popescu fucking noobs, check this guy out. [02:42]
meowmix hey everyone [02:42]
meowmix <3 [02:42]
mircea_popescu meowmix at least get a cloak, derp. [02:42]
meowmix whats a cloak? [02:42]
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meowmix whatever [02:42]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [02:42]
meowmix who likes hurricane? [02:42]
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meowmix !b 5000 [02:43]
jurov thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 [02:43]
meowmix !b 50 [02:43]
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BingoBoingo wait for it... [02:43]
jurov and then rbounce [02:43]
BingoBoingo !down meowmix [02:44]
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kakobrekla yeah buttcoins are getting expensive [02:45]
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mircea_popescu jesus fuck omfg [02:48]
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mircea_popescu dragonfly flew right throug window into my head [02:48]
mircea_popescu i thought i was getting shit in slow motion ;/ [02:48]
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mircea_popescu shot* [02:48]
BingoBoingo Has the dragonfly been captured to check for tampering? [02:49]
Peter_Lambert one of those micro drones? [02:49]
mircea_popescu its an actual dragonfly. [02:50]
mircea_popescu that was trippy. [02:50]
BingoBoingo Next you know Obama's going to be having a good laught about the two dragonflies that fucked on your head while you were sleeping tomorrow night [02:52]
RagnarDanneskjol [02:52]
assbot 10 Surprisingly Brutal Facts About Dragonflies - Listverse [02:52]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:52]
BingoBoingo We have an insect gap. [02:52]
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mircea_popescu "hey miss, could i inspect your insect gap ?" [02:56]
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thickasthieves <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible [02:58]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol [02:59]
assbot The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [02:59]
RagnarDanneskjol Oh [03:00]
mircea_popescu << kickass [03:01]
assbot Frog Fail! (Dragonfly escapes frog attack) - YouTube [03:01]
mircea_popescu pretty cool article [03:01]
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Namworld Regarding dragonflies... When doing canoe/kayak on a river and being pestered by large black flies. It's fun to watch dragonflies sweep in and catch the flies in flight. [03:04]
mircea_popescu o ya. [03:07]
mircea_popescu << fucking ballet check that out [03:07]
assbot Dragonfly Slow Motion - YouTube [03:07]
Namworld Eheh [03:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00075125 = 8.0759 BTC [-] [03:09]
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BingoBoingo CuNTs [03:24]
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BingoBoingo Vexual: You're up early today [03:45]
Vexual yes yes [03:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17383 @ 0.00075125 = 13.059 BTC [-] [03:48]
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dub mircea_popescu: related [03:58]
assbot Tabletop Whale [03:58]
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cazalla damn, leo treasure got ganked for 750btc [04:08]
kakobrekla hows that? [04:08]
cazalla [04:08]
assbot Early Bitcoin Adopter Calls for Multi-Sig Solutions After 750 BTC Theft [04:08]
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cazalla every time i've seen him on tv it's because he's been scammed [04:10]
dub yeah, 750 should be nothing in teh grander scheme of his losses [04:10]
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kakobrekla former computer science student and bitcoin entrepreneur from Perth, Australia, told CoinDesk he was traveling in Bali and didn’t think connecting to public Wi-Fi could be a security issue as his bitcoins were stored locally. [04:11]
kakobrekla cmon. [04:11]
JuliaTourianski this happened in washington at the meetup... [04:12]
JuliaTourianski conference* [04:12]
JuliaTourianski circle jerk* [04:12]
dub wait his handle is Treasure? [04:13]
dub oh [04:13]
cazalla Treasureless now [04:15]
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ben_vulpes good afternoooooon [04:19]
Vexual i don't think multisig is the sultion to his error [04:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18975 @ 0.00075068 = 14.2442 BTC [-] [04:23]
ben_vulpes please don't link to Die Antwoord, nubbins` << oh ho why is that? [04:28]
Vexual first time bali? [04:28]
ben_vulpes wow what the fuck is wrong with you Vexual [04:28]
ben_vulpes is there a lunar eclipse wherever you live and you can get out of the coffin out of schedule? [04:29]
ben_vulpes solar [04:29]
Vexual oh i was talking about leo treasures misfortune [04:29]
ben_vulpes dammit [04:29]
Vexual and how having another key on that fat wallet migth have brought more misfortune [04:30]
Vexual "first time in bali?" is always like the first or second question [04:32]
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nubbins` "Treasure’s remaining coins are in multi-sig wallets and Casascius physical coins. " [04:33]
nubbins` thickasthieves was saying something about this the other day [04:33]
nubbins` well, similar, anyway [04:35]
nubbins` [04:35]
assbot Logged on 11-09-2014 17:12:58; ThickAsThieves: well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins [04:35]
nubbins` s/sell/be relieved of [04:36]
dub Vexual: no shit, always a good idea to carry $.25m on your person where the locals would gut you for a bowl of rice [04:41]
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mircea_popescu dub not bad [04:45]
mircea_popescu ;;seen leotreasure [04:45]
gribble leotreasure was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 56 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: they're in the final process [04:45]
mircea_popescu Multi-sig addresses, he wrote are “the only viable solution for securing bitcoins”. <<< pushing this shit incredibly hard are we. [04:48]
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mircea_popescu "The standard model is to require two out of three keys to spend from a balance – of those keys, one goes to the user, one to the service (exchange or wallet) provider and another to a trusted third party." << how the fuck is this going to help anything for crying out loud [04:48]
mircea_popescu such nonsense. [04:48]
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BingoBoingo Interesting history of a software prng [04:49]
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Vexual balinese dice? [04:51]
mircea_popescu cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. [04:52]
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mircea_popescu instead of linking to a coindesk piece, just rewrite it so it's no longer FUCKTARDED, publish it and link that. [04:52]
Vexual aren't we here [04:52]
Vexual hmm [04:52]
mircea_popescu win-win. [04:52]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i looked elsewhere but it seems he spoke to them about it [04:52]
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mircea_popescu only reason anyone's speaking to them is because of this false perception of "leadership" [04:53]
mircea_popescu exactly same reason derps flock to tardstalk [04:53]
mircea_popescu for that matter. [04:54]
assbot Coindesk is deleting comments that question the validity of their articles. : Bitcoin [04:54]
mircea_popescu it's a shithole of the first degree, and it only continues to exist because everyone's like... meh, whatever, ragazines. [04:54]
cazalla is that an endoresment to start one? [04:54]
mircea_popescu it wasn't so bad back when the bitpay & co set of scammers that had stolen bitcoin magazine were still hoping that brand's not now dead, [04:54]
mircea_popescu but meanwhile... [04:54]
mircea_popescu cazalla definitely. [04:54]
mircea_popescu im sick of reading fucktarded goop because that's where people link for a story like that because apparently nobody else wrote it. [04:55]
mircea_popescu it's like having all fruit glacee'd in shit. how about someone start a greengrocer already, we don't need any of this glacee business. [04:55]
kakobrekla mostly only people who already know the real story are interested in it, not your avg reader [04:55]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla the average reader'd be interested in where his butthole is, if he could strain his brain enough to learn he even has one. [04:56]
Vexual im thinkin paywall [04:56]
kakobrekla i think the question 'who are you writing for' is in place [04:57]
kakobrekla for us - redundant. [04:57]
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mircea_popescu hm. [04:57]
mircea_popescu problem is if you let this shit continue indefinitely you'll have an endless stream of idiots with firmly entrenched idiocies. [04:58]
mircea_popescu "99% don't give a shit about gavin's latest stupidity, but this is not a signal to stfu and go home" [04:58]
mircea_popescu "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" [04:59]
* BingoBoingo wonders where a managing editor might be found. Experience with this seems to be the scarce piece. [04:59]
mircea_popescu well done, core devs for a project that massively ignores you. [04:59]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the problem is the sort of drive. [04:59]
mircea_popescu what's needed is someone willing and able to put 16 hour days into this for years. [04:59]
mircea_popescu an arrington is what's needed in this space. and by god this is the chance for someone like that to become something like that. [04:59]
Vexual i know little enough to edit [05:00]
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dub what we really need is btc onion [05:01]
kakobrekla if you let this shit continue < way too much stuff continues to continue and noone can do shit. [05:01]
cazalla i'll have a think about it, i don't want to say yes unless i'll actually commit to it and have a plan of attack [05:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This is true. [05:02]
mircea_popescu dub nah, sa got that covered. [05:02]
mircea_popescu cazalla ideally a team. [05:03]
kakobrekla and lots of css [05:03]
TheNewDeal where is the btc onion? I would like a link [05:03]
mircea_popescu no css. [05:03]
Vexual rss? [05:03]
dub bootstrap? [05:03]
kakobrekla html3 and css5 [05:04]
mircea_popescu and none of the fucktarded retardation of that guy what's his name, the wanna-be competition for coindesk and co, [05:04]
mircea_popescu the guy that was here for five minutes but then concluded he has better things to do [05:04]
mircea_popescu with the same stupid head that then generated that entire "taking full responsibility" fiasco. [05:04]
cazalla coinfire? [05:05]
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mircea_popescu right [05:05]
cazalla it became even stupider [05:05]
assbot Let's Get Meta with Site Ownership via Token - Coin Fire [05:05]
mircea_popescu it's been going to shit ever since the guy ran out of his 6 months of time and "had to make revenue" [05:06]
mircea_popescu his attempts are so naive and idiotic it pains. definitely sunk the modicum of credibility he had amassed within two weeks. [05:06]
mircea_popescu which is what i mean. no movements like that. you run into management problems, come here and ask. [05:07]
Vexual ive got a good title [05:07]
mircea_popescu and it's unfortunate, too, because all that was easily avoidable. [05:08]
mircea_popescu but tim gotta tim all over the tim. [05:08]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: [05:09]
assbot The Coinion - Bitcoin's Finest News Source [05:09]
kakobrekla you defo need a few persons for this and compensated for [05:10]
mircea_popescu you can just exploit the current idiots. read and rewrite coindesk and co. [05:11]
cazalla that would be enough to get it off the ground until it has traction [05:12]
Vexual that huffington lady got richer with her news aggregator than she did maring into shipping [05:13]
BingoBoingo I dunno that Coindesk puts out enough material... Too many non-stories [05:13]
assbot CoinDesk [05:13]
mircea_popescu cazalla exactly. and you'll know you got the traction cause they start bitcoing. [05:13]
mircea_popescu bitching* [05:13]
mircea_popescu and it'll be a fine thing too. hurting stuff like coindesk is worth it just on that basis alone. [05:13]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo to add salt to the cuts you can do a weekly roundup and mock their unpublishable shit. [05:13]
kakobrekla go ahead and try then [05:14]
mircea_popescu cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it. [05:14]
mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski what are you doing these days ? [05:14]
cazalla i would want to run something like that by myself at first and bring people in later, too many chefs and all that [05:15]
Duffer1 what would be written about that isn't already covered by bit-ass? [05:16]
BingoBoingo cazalla: I'd be up for some story authoring, contributing to the cause. The too many chefs problem isn't about having too many people so much as a shitty heirarchy. [05:17]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 it's mostly a format war. [05:17]
mircea_popescu cazalla BingoBoingo has it i think. just don't try and run "teams" you'll be fine. [05:17]
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BingoBoingo It's the editors/writers problem that among other shit killed Coinfire. [05:19]
BingoBoingo Like the Chefs/Cooks problems that makes most people's restaurant dreams fail [05:19]
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decimation so I was listened to this podcast: << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion [05:19]
assbot " + soundfiledesc + " [05:19]
BingoBoingo Also LibreSSL update for the interested [05:20]
assbot LibreSSL: More Than 30 Days Later [05:20]
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mircea_popescu decimation something like that. [05:20]
thestringpuller what is coinfire? [05:21]
Vexual i spent 2 hours of my life wathcing huffingtons interview on abc, it was interesting [05:21]
decimation I've looked into the numbers and it is pretty much impossible to verify that total [05:21]
decimation but it's also impossible to account for the dollar at all [05:21]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Coinfire is this site that was promising for a week and a half then turned full derp [05:21]
decimation it's safe to say that usg has a present liability of at least all assets in the entire world, possibly more [05:21]
mircea_popescu decimation all that really matters is that the us has underwritten liabilities that exceed its ability to pay. [05:23]
mircea_popescu by how much is an academic point. [05:23]
decimation yes, the evidence for that statement is quite strong [05:23]
danielpbarron << sounds like fun [05:24]
assbot Logged on 30-09-2014 02:12:18; mircea_popescu: cazalla see inf danielpbarron feels like it. [05:24]
mircea_popescu and there's no court in the world that can absolve it through a bankruptcy. whether they try to run one or not. kinda the fundamental reason it ended. [05:24]
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decimation its choice is to either renig or go broke, it's that simple [05:24]
mircea_popescu can't renege. [05:24]
mircea_popescu and can't go broke. [05:24]
mircea_popescu it's choice is to start sucking cock or try a totalitarian state play. [05:24]
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mircea_popescu it'll try both, fail both, and that's that. [05:24]
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Vexual funnily space missions aren't insured generally [05:26]
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Dimsler [05:28]
assbot Brooklyn Existentialism - YouTube [05:28]
Dimsler such a gem of video [05:28]
TheNewDeal truthfully? [05:29]
Dimsler yes [05:29]
Dimsler disprove all the theories of idiotic englightenment thinkers [05:30]
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TheNewDeal for example [05:31]
Dimsler those are provided for you in the actual discussion [05:32]
Dimsler if you bother to listen to it [05:32]
decimation speaking of totalitarian play, Australia is pioneering that one: [05:32]
decimation "Other concerns he and others have raised relate to the lack of whistleblower protections in the new laws, which jail those who "recklessly" disclose intelligence information. That would include journalists, bloggers or officials, who could be jailed for 10 years" [05:33]
Dimsler lol australia [05:34]
Vexual yep united states sandbox [05:34]
cazalla no more waltzing matilda for me [05:34]
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decimation I like the "recklessly" in quotes, because they really wanted to say вредительство [05:36]
Vexual trasnlation? [05:36]
Dimsler its a form of crime [05:36]
Dimsler to cause harm [05:37]
Dimsler commie lingo [05:37]
Vexual more info? [05:37]
Vexual |more [05:37]
decimation "wrecker", but hearkening back to RSFSR penal codes that allow anyone to be jailed because they were found to be thwarting the great leader's plans [05:37]
Dimsler the term means to sabotage a political insititue [05:37]
cazalla interestingly, google image search for вредительство shows wrecking balls [05:37]
mircea_popescu the term means to pose a threat to the delusions of sovereignity of one less powerful. [05:38]
Vexual hmm [05:38]
Vexual ahh [05:38]
Dimsler yes [05:38]
mircea_popescu in the original case, the "workers" and their "party" [05:38]
decimation in pratice, anyone who was 'volunteered' to go to the gulag by someone who wanted to 'prove' how powerful they were [05:39]
decimation mircea made some good points on this subject but I think the logs were lost [05:41]
TheNewDeal dimsler, are marx and freud considered enlightenment thinkers to you? [05:41]
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mircea_popescu decimation im sure i still have them, somewhere. i dun recall this discussion tho. [05:55]
decimation you wrote about how those who went to the gulag were volunteers (or volunteered) by people who wanted to be somebodies [05:56]
mircea_popescu lessee [05:56]
mircea_popescu !s from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag [05:57]
assbot 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu volunteer gulag' : [05:57]
asciilifeform [05:58]
assbot Logged on 07-07-2014 10:46:38; mircea_popescu: well... the gulag wasn't avoidable, not practically. [05:58]
aabtc aegis agamemno123 agorecki AlexWkz altoz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur [05:58]
mircea_popescu o there we go. ty asciilifeform [05:58]
thickasthieves <+mircea_popescu> cazalla listen, we need someone to make a proper bitcoin news venue. /// seems like these things never last though, the talent scatters so quickly these days. i'm into the idea though [05:59]
mircea_popescu amusingly, gulag references are very sparse in the year before stan showed up [05:59]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves which is why drive's what's needed yeah [05:59]
thickasthieves just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) [06:01]
decimation as I recall assbot was down when the conversation I recall happened - or I could be wrong [06:02]
asciilifeform incidentally, interesting to examine etymology of gulag [06:02]
Vexual sounds like hungarian stew to my ear [06:03]
asciilifeform гулаг == главное управление лагерей и мест заключения ~= 'main management of camps and places of confinement.' [06:03]
asciilifeform so it's really a proxy word, like 'mikado' (door to throne room) in japan, or 'the crown' in english world [06:03]
thickasthieves gulash + lag [06:03]
thickasthieves goulash* [06:04]
thickasthieves they called it "american chop suey" in my elementary school [06:04]
TheNewDeal dimsler, despite the disagreement on who are Enlightment thinkers, this video has been six sigmas above the average quality of youtube content [06:05]
cazalla most importantly, do i name the site, or perhaps even [06:06]
thickasthieves call it The Biz [06:07]
Vexual period0 [06:07]
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cazalla seeing it's all jews [06:08]
thickasthieves shaveandahaircut.bit [06:08]
punkman cazalla: or you could have neither bit or coin, you know something different [06:08]
decimation someone should apply for the .coin tld [06:09]
cazalla punkman, i was being facetious, from memory trilema recommends domain with first 2 letters unique to other sites one visits [06:09]
thickasthieves i joked about IPOing a fund to buy crypto-TLDs [06:10]
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thickasthieves is only $20 [06:10]
thickasthieves there's a [06:11]
thickasthieves heh [06:11]
Vexual club is goode [06:11]
thickasthieves so many domains now [06:11]
punkman too many [06:11]
kakobrekla it turns out you can just print them [06:11]
kakobrekla like money! [06:11]
thickasthieves but .com is so much more valuable [06:11]
thickasthieves ! [06:12]
punkman I grabbed a .company, to be revealed [06:12]
cazalla [06:12]
thickasthieves [06:12]
punkman I vote for chumpatron.whatever [06:12]
Vexual meh [06:12]
TheNewDeal derponomics [06:13]
cazalla avail heh [06:13]
thickasthieves must exist already [06:13]
Vexual if it doesnt, it shoudn't [06:13]
thickasthieves lol [06:13]
thickasthieves call it rooters then [06:14]
punkman [06:14]
assbot Dissociated press - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:14]
thickasthieves different word tho [06:15]
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punkman I like that one better [06:15]
thickasthieves i can tget over these stupid Frank & Oak ads [06:16]
thickasthieves what did i buy to deserve this [06:16]
Vexual rooters lol [06:16]
thickasthieves could rip off the Hooters logo [06:17]
thickasthieves hire saffron to do the summary thing [06:17]
kakobrekla that woman is annoying to watch. [06:18]
Vexual hes all business this cunt [06:18]
thickasthieves well thats why she gets naked [06:18]
punkman heh [06:18]
kakobrekla only makes it worse [06:18]
thickasthieves fine dont hire her! [06:19]
kakobrekla lol i dun care [06:19]
thickasthieves :) [06:19]
punkman so much derp [06:19]
assbot Millennial Men's Fashion Retailer Frank And Oak Raises $15 Million - Forbes [06:19]
punkman "We love commerce, especially new forms of e-commerce which are mobile first," [06:20]
thickasthieves let's make Ernest Hemingway a metrosexual! great idea, here's $15m! [06:20]
Vexual thats like 7/10ths of asicminer [06:21]
dub derpington post? [06:21]
TheNewDeal nothing must be a better bubble predicter than the success of usian fashion businesses [06:22]
punkman [06:22]
assbot Nordstrom Will Pay $350 Million for Trunk Club | Re/code [06:22]
thickasthieves we're trailblazers in trailblazing [06:22]
punkman mobile first trailblazing [06:23]
thickasthieves i'm a fan of selling things where i can sell things [06:23]
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Vexual nice first exit; i like the style [06:23]
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mircea_popescu thickasthieves> just make the b-a blogroll into a magazine ans we can appoint an editor for choosing which stories are big on th ehomepage :) <<< nah the problem is that ba blogs are author driven, and authors can't generally be arsed to discuss events like leotreasure getting stolen from. [06:38]
mircea_popescu this is why a newspaper is not just editors. gotta have someone out there on the beat, too [06:38]
mircea_popescu call it The Biz <<< this is a great idea. [06:39]
asciilifeform leotreasure getting stolen from << lol, so that's an 'event' ? squirrel run over on my street, also 'event' ? [06:40]
mircea_popescu I grabbed a .company, to be revealed << o ? [06:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. people wanna talk about these, and so coindesk ends up linked. [06:41]
mircea_popescu this is a problem/ [06:41]
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punkman mircea_popescu: planning for that coin I mentioned [06:50]
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JuliaTourianski mircea_popescu you know coindesk does not pay their writers in btc? also, they change 90% of their writers' articles without conscent. [07:00]
punkman JuliaTourianski: do you know what they pay per article? [07:01]
punkman $10-$20? [07:01]
JuliaTourianski mircea_popescu and to answer your question, I'm posting things like this: "If you're gonna off yourself because of the bitcoin 'price crash', do us all a favor and turn off your mining operation first." because i mean it. [07:02]
JuliaTourianski punkman erm i can ask [07:02]
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cazalla JuliaTourianski, do you mine? [07:09]
JuliaTourianski cazalla no, do u [07:10]
cazalla why would you want them to switch off before offing themselves? [07:11]
cazalla JuliaTourianski, i have a miner but it's really just for fun [07:11]
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punkman JuliaTourianski: it's good for you when other's lose their coins [07:12]
JuliaTourianski cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining. [07:13]
punkman ;;bc,stats [07:14]
gribble Current Blocks: 323135 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32430956879.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.43502 [07:14]
punkman are we betting against difficulty yet [07:14]
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cazalla only once and i won that bet, never again [07:16]
punkman I'm guessing the big miners can keep the lights on for a while [07:17]
punkman even at $350 [07:17]
xanthyos [07:17]
cazalla actually that's not right, i've won no a few times [07:17]
decimation people are paying to rent above what they can find mining (in btc) [07:17]
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The20YearIRCloud Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor [07:18]
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decimation congrats! [07:19]
cazalla good luck bro [07:19]
The20YearIRCloud And interestingly enough, there's multiple contraction timers for android [07:20]
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ben_vulpes midwest water birth? [07:20]
ben_vulpes > tub of corn syrup [07:20]
The20YearIRCloud We're going to the hospital [07:20]
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ben_vulpes ah [07:20]
dub just stopped to tell the internet [07:21]
ben_vulpes so 50/g corn syurp tub [07:21]
The20YearIRCloud at some point [07:21]
ben_vulpes $50/g [07:21]
The20YearIRCloud She's not a fan of the homebirth/waterbirth/ect [07:21]
cazalla just cut it out, over in 15m [07:21]
ben_vulpes cunt intact [07:21]
ben_vulpes downsides? [07:21]
cazalla downside is i had to do everything for like 6 weeks [07:22]
The20YearIRCloud Although my brother's wife was into it , and she had to end up being rushed to the hospital [07:22]
ben_vulpes modern hospitals offer modern birth [07:22]
The20YearIRCloud The recovery for C-Section is much longer, and risk of infection is much higher [07:22]
ben_vulpes dafuq is going on over there [07:22]
ben_vulpes water* birth [07:22]
The20YearIRCloud Hospitals certainly are nice, the thing I hate about some of them though is how un-clean their rooms are [07:22]
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ben_vulpes can't win for america-ing [07:23]
The20YearIRCloud But thankfully the one that's near us has a specific wing for only birthing, nothing else [07:23]
-JuliaTourianski- also shooting trap. because fun [07:23]
ben_vulpes good grief gmail now shows a link to "view pull request in webview" [07:25]
ben_vulpes pretty sure this must be old as i don't really gmail too much [07:25]
ben_vulpes well, "view pull request" in list view of mails [07:26]
cazalla how many kids ya got The20YearIRCloud [07:31]
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The20YearIRCloud 2 plus this one [07:31]
cazalla know what you're having this time? [07:32]
ben_vulpes !up Vexual [07:32]
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ben_vulpes ;;ident Vexual [07:33]
gribble Nick 'Vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified. [07:33]
Vexual shoa [07:33]
Vexual ahh [07:33]
ben_vulpes lol Vexual can't up sober [07:33]
Vexual 20 year, think you might wanna warm the engine and check the fluids? [07:33]
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The20YearIRCloud Hospital is 5 minutes away [07:36]
The20YearIRCloud I could throw her in a wheelbarrow if I had to i guess and wal kthere [07:36]
Vexual all about the re [07:37]
dub thats what got him into this mess [07:37]
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Vexual 10 im truly poweless [07:39]
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punkman [07:44]
assbot gordonwritescode/ GitHub [07:44]
punkman color made me think it was python for a sec [07:45]
ben_vulpes Vexual: i dunno how to help, boss [07:45]
Vexual ne sweat, jusy keep being the boss [07:46]
ben_vulpes tasty tasty js [07:46]
punkman [07:46]
assbot - Do work. Track time. Get coins. [07:46]
ben_vulpes fwiw i never got insight to build [07:46]
ben_vulpes "build" [07:46]
Vexual you'll be my go to guy [07:46]
ben_vulpes ran into a npm hell-tuation [07:46]
ben_vulpes punkman: " built in Laravel or another OOP PHP framework" [07:47]
* ben_vulpes backs away slowly [07:47]
punkman is a lulzy domain [07:47]
Vexual for js [07:48]
punkman check the deedbot clone [07:48]
assbot - Do work. Track time. Get coins. [07:48]
punkman "user can choose to pay a bit extra to receive a notarized document attesting to the science and accuracy of the upload that should hold up in court without having to hire a Bitcoin expert. " [07:49]
Vexual time not important, only results [07:49]
punkman !up MolokoDesk [07:50]
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ben_vulpes Vexual: [07:52]
assbot Mastodon "The Motherload" (Official Music Video) - YouTube [07:52]
Vexual big bada boom in the cab [07:53]
* Vexual looking [07:53]
Duffer1 good lord [07:53]
ben_vulpes bouncy bouncy [07:54]
Vexual duly noted [07:54]
punkman [07:56]
assbot If you are going to sell 0 day (which I don't recommend), using a convicted felon as a broker seems unnecessarily risky. [07:56]
mircea_popescu lmao [07:59]
mircea_popescu what ? [07:59]
mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski yes i know. [08:00]
mircea_popescu cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining. << this is like the first clever thing i recall you saying [08:00]
JuliaTourianski "and then kill yourself". don't omit that [08:01]
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mircea_popescu :p [08:03]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud> Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor << mazel tov [08:03]
mircea_popescu dub> just stopped to tell the internet << the wot dood. tis important., [08:04]
The20YearIRCloud is mazeltov one of those labor/birth things? [08:05]
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mircea_popescu color made me think it was python for a sec << lol colorcoded codes ? [08:06]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud well it's financial for "good luck" [08:07]
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The20YearIRCloud I don't know many jews/people that speek yidish [08:07]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: re commits, if an individual copied and pasted a block of code, i'm going to have a hard time believing that they actually understand it. [08:07]
Vexual i wonder if mircea_popescu knows how fortuitous it is for a dragonfly to collide with a dragons head [08:08]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes why ? [08:08]
ben_vulpes experience. [08:08]
mircea_popescu when people repeat what the priest tells them to say ? [08:08]
mircea_popescu you gonna annull all mariages now ? [08:08]
ben_vulpes copy pasted code in my experience is rarely understood. [08:08]
ben_vulpes what is a marriage? what does the priest have to say matter a whit? [08:08]
mircea_popescu point being, people copy/paste code to get married. [08:09]
ben_vulpes i don't understand all of the rules i'm bound by under the contract i've entered into with usg and lady v [08:09]
ben_vulpes what i do understand are the rules that bind her to me. [08:09]
mircea_popescu dun worry, they'll come back to byte. [08:09]
Vexual ug [08:10]
ben_vulpes that's the point i'm making - i copy pasted that code, so to speak, without understanding it. [08:10]
ben_vulpes shit's going to get messy w/r/t taxes etc [08:10]
mircea_popescu hm. [08:11]
ben_vulpes hm wat [08:11]
Vexual you tell em yuo live in the volcano in balinese, you'll soon know if theyre from java [08:13]
ben_vulpes (on another topic, i concede that you're right as always about plagiarised commits: the signature only implies responsibility for the contents) [08:13]
mircea_popescu hm im considering your theory. [08:13]
mircea_popescu seems drastic. [08:13]
ben_vulpes under lawcode, i cannot actually know what i'm bound by. [08:14]
ben_vulpes this is derived from your "no groups, only individuals" theories. [08:15]
Vexual yeah [08:16]
Vexual i know what your grandmother knows instills more frear than i know what you dont know [08:16]
punkman ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then? [08:16]
Vexual its better to say no and smile ho [08:16]
Vexual even better, dont bring a macbook with a million bucks and a bitcoin tshirt, the shit will dissapear before the chloroform kicks in [08:18]
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ben_vulpes punkman: transfer of ownership, so to speak. [08:18]
Vexual first time in bali? [08:18]
punkman ben_vulpes: bencode don't do that? [08:19]
ben_vulpes assuredly does, but what machines run that code? [08:20]
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Vexual oshit [08:22]
ben_vulpes punkman: v machine: of course. k machine: indubitably. f machine? not so much. usg machine? not in my wildest dreams. [08:23]
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ben_vulpes what is a marriage to the wot? [08:24]
ben_vulpes hm. [08:24]
punkman well the two machines that matter run it [08:24]
ben_vulpes do only two machines matter? [08:25]
dub Vexual: cialis brother, valium, viaaaaaggar [08:25]
Vexual rampage [08:25]
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punkman ben_vulpes: the more the merrier of course :P [08:28]
Vexual summon pankakke [08:32]
Vexual ;;gogle 212 piff [08:32]
gribble Error: "gogle" is not a valid command. [08:32]
Vexual remeber that time? [08:35]
Vexual do you even mine? [08:35]
Vexual yes yes [08:36]
Vexual yes yes [08:37]
Vexual ;;seen pankakke [08:41]
gribble I have not seen pankakke. [08:41]
Vexual ;;seen pankkake [08:41]
gribble pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: [08:41]
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Vexual how quaint [08:43]
Vexual [08:47]
Vexual [08:53]
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Vexual extacy is called barney coz of the previous [08:53]
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Vexual an dso is the affect of the colony petey [08:54]
Vexual you can check that on eatabilty [08:56]
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Vexual leave your mobile phone at home and come alone [08:57]
Vexual perlboy [08:58]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt << cardanomerch is going to be as popular as sumerian urmerch. but hey, nonzero! [09:01]
Vexual hell do any dye you liek [09:02]
Vexual phase change and all [09:02]
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Vexual ;;lasers [09:03]
Vexual really? [09:03]
gribble ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* [09:03]
Vexual [09:03]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants << "honey, is that a revolucion in your pocket? or..." [09:04]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!' [09:07]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla:isnt that a bit fast << lel [09:07]
Vexual leets look for truths [09:09]
Vexual got any? [09:10]
Vexual will you eat bacon in australie pete? [09:10]
Vexual it's kinda becoming a thing lately [09:11]
mircea_popescu punkman> ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then? << lawlcode :D [09:11]
pete_dushenski Vexual: absolutely [09:12]
pete_dushenski it's kinda been a thing in north america since always [09:13]
Vexual somethong missing from taht version is the cadillac bit [09:13]
Vexual its like the prche bit, but more american [09:13]
pete_dushenski nao it's bacon-flavoured toast, coffee, pizza pops, you name it. [09:13]
Vexual pizza pop? [09:14]
punkman it pops because microwave [09:14]
pete_dushenski it's a pillsbury food-like product [09:14]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: lawskycode [09:15]
Vexual youll go better with my itinery [09:15]
ben_vulpes nite all [09:15]
pete_dushenski plastic dough wrapped around plastic cheese and pseudomeat [09:15]
pete_dushenski later ben_vulpes ! [09:15]
Vexual weird cunt [09:15]
pete_dushenski lol [09:15]
Vexual thats my little brother right there [09:15]
pete_dushenski it's sorta like a fleshlight for the mircowave [09:16]
Vexual all on js and erything else [09:16]
pete_dushenski << bacon ice cream [09:16]
assbot Best Bacon Products – Bizarre Bacon Food - [09:16]
Vexual thats not a thing [09:16]
pete_dushenski [09:18]
assbot Bacon Tart - Handle It - YouTube [09:18]
pete_dushenski a bacon tart is [09:18]
Vexual ill reiterate my sydney itinery with |more info if u like pete [09:19]
Vexual the ferry will cure your ails [09:20]
Vexual the boss at doyles will tell you every shit happening noetjh of the river [09:20]
Vexual china town is real [09:20]
punkman I accidentally bought a thing of "yoghurt-like dessert", they were hiding it among the real yoghurt [09:20]
xanthyos the microwaveable fleshlight is called the bagel [09:21]
punkman not sweetened or anything, why do they call it dessert [09:21]
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Vexual ug yoghurt [09:21]
Vexual bring me meat [09:21]
mircea_popescu punkman because "dessert" is not a regulated word [09:22]
mircea_popescu you can call stuff scraped off the sidewalk "dessert". [09:22]
pete_dushenski << in case anyone here hasn't seen what american men aspire to accomplish in the kitchen [09:22]
assbot Epic Meal Time - YouTube [09:22]
punkman and "frozen dessert" for all packaged ice cream [09:22]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: you can call scraped from the pond "escargot" too [09:23]
pete_dushenski though i suppose that's a little more tightly regulated [09:23]
mircea_popescu depends where. [09:23]
mircea_popescu not in france say. [09:23]
pete_dushenski c'est quoi? [09:24]
pete_dushenski this i did not know [09:24]
punkman suggestion: escargot fried in olive oil with rosemary and bacon [09:27]
punkman if only I could get some decent bacon [09:28]
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Vexual theres a place for escargot in wooloomaloo [09:31]
Vexual on the main strip [09:31]
Vexual good wine list for luch [09:31]
Vexual gets cokey after dark [09:32]
Vexual le somethng [09:32]
pete_dushenski not entirely my cup of tea but if they can do escargot properly i'm sure it ain't all bad [09:35]
Vexual well theres duck [09:35]
pete_dushenski a now we're talking [09:35]
Vexual i dont eat snails either [09:35]
Vexual the boss is asian [09:35]
Vexual yes homo [09:36]
Vexual breads good too [09:36]
Vexual dunno where hes from, mental case [09:36]
Vexual no somellier [09:37]
Vexual prolly trolly you if yu o just want wine for lunch [09:37]
Vexual can u find it pete? [09:38]
pete_dushenski i'm sure :) [09:38]
Vexual i go to syney for work sometimes and i like alcohol frriendly places [09:40]
Vexual i saw angelina jolie one time, and she dint ven connect my wifi [09:43]
Vexual such haxor [09:44]
RagnarDanneskjol omk [09:46]
Vexual trasnslation? [09:46]
RagnarDanneskjol ud [09:46]
RagnarDanneskjol whatever teh command is [09:47]
Vexual kittens? [09:47]
RagnarDanneskjol thats the one [09:47]
Vexual ;;laserkittens [09:47]
gribble ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew* [09:47]
mircea_popescu as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles. [09:48]
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Vexual such 2014 [09:48]
mircea_popescu there's exactly 1006 of 'em. [09:49]
Vexual bb will be devo [09:49]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [09:50]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.15, Best ask: 376.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 376.36, 24 hour volume: 17537.17319404, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272762684 [09:50]
RagnarDanneskjol 1006 trilemas? [09:50]
[]bot Bet placed: 8 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 45(Y):55(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,166. [09:50]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol in english. there's like 5k or so in romanian [09:50]
RagnarDanneskjol Oh, well it would seem worth publishing the first 1k into hardback version. yes definetly should [09:51]
mircea_popescu 5823 actually. [09:51]
mircea_popescu that 1k is like >1mn words. would take a shelf. [09:51]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [09:51]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.17, Best ask: 376.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.83000, Last trade: 376.34, 24 hour volume: 17416.49132993, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272782225 [09:51]
RagnarDanneskjol that many. I have lotta reading to do. the translations are pretty rough [09:51]
Vexual all kinda girls devo, dont discount the romainian angle [09:51]
RagnarDanneskjol at least an ebook then. [09:52]
punkman mircea_popescu: dump them in mthreat's thing so we can search [09:53]
RagnarDanneskjol well, ned to pay for it somehow [09:53]
punkman you just get a snippet and link, credits as usual [09:54]
RagnarDanneskjol ok - i dont know mthreats thing [09:54]
BingoBoingo as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles. << I guess Imma have to get reading practice from footnotes nao... [09:54]
Vexual imma take yo to the ballet bb [09:55]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you could also use the archive, it's by month/year [09:55]
mircea_popescu punkman google does a decent jerb! [09:56]
BingoBoingo Well, I could [09:56]
BingoBoingo imma take yo to the ballet bb << You don't need to use code words for strip club here [09:56]
Vexual no i mean thw ballet [09:56]
pete_dushenski thickasthieves: <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible << she floats like a duck, burn her! [09:56]
pete_dushenski the nutcracker! [09:57]
Vexual i talk too mxch therwe too [09:57]
pete_dushenski not enough people talk at the ballet [09:58]
Vexual never felt alspeep yet tho [09:58]
punkman !s from:mircea_popescu fuck google [09:58]
assbot 19 results for 'from:mircea_popescu fuck google' : [09:58]
mircea_popescu !s from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies [09:58]
assbot 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies' : [09:58]
pete_dushenski [09:58]
assbot FireChat Messaging App Gains Users During Hong Kong Protests - Digits - WSJ [09:58]
mircea_popescu odd. [09:58]
Vexual fail [09:59]
pete_dushenski << kinda interesting… internetless messaging [09:59]
assbot FireChat on the App Store on iTunes [09:59]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" Odds: 55(Y):45(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,149. [10:00]
Vexual this is why kong kong apot petey [10:00]
pete_dushenski "The app is very good. The concept is also genius. What I don't care for are ma lot of people who aren't nice, or whose language isn't adequate to use when there are minors online. It's almost as if it needed a moderator in some of the chat rooms. Don't take me wrong p, I like the App a lot and that's why I gave it four stars." [10:00]
pete_dushenski ^some pretty derpy comments on the app page eg. [10:01]
mircea_popescu and on that note ima be off. laters all! see you @500 tomorro! [10:01]
Vexual cunt [10:01]
Vexual wait for 3 weeks mp [10:01]
Vexual im still liquidatinbg assets [10:01]
pete_dushenski ciao! [10:02]
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Vexual [10:04]
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pete_dushenski [10:06]
assbot /hashtag/sibos2014?src=hash cliff notes: finance movers & shakers love the blockchain & /VitalikButerin; shit on /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash the currency. [10:06]
pete_dushenski fuckin assbot no le gusta hashtags [10:06]
Vexual no shit, you only jave to learn to dump shit once [10:07]
pete_dushenski more to the point, assbot can't make heads or tails of twobitidiot [10:07]
Vexual pardon me? [10:07]
pete_dushenski eh? what's to pardon? [10:08]
Vexual are you referring to me and asking for resturant advice? [10:09]
pete_dushenski neither really [10:10]
Vexual good answer [10:13]
[]bot Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" Odds: 58(Y):42(N) by coin, 48(Y):52(N) by weight. Total bet: 56.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,127. [10:14]
Vexual [10:15]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" << sometimes the unbathed masses find glimmers of light shining through from under the door. most of them are happy to have any light at all, not even noticing that there's a door handle hitting them in the forehead. a few will see the door handle at all. fewer still will give it a twist... and end up here. [10:15]
dub sydney? eat at Mr Chows in the rocks then drink at stitch or mojo [10:16]
dub dont bother with the baxter [10:17]
Vexual wha?? [10:17]
pete_dushenski a brouhaha! [10:18]
Vexual seems veryone loves the glittert city [10:19]
pete_dushenski Vexual: dub in case you own houses: [10:21]
assbot Australias Options as It Seeks to Douse House Prices - Real Time Economics - WSJ [10:21]
dub !australia here [10:21]
pete_dushenski dub: what you can't own foreign real estate now? [10:22]
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Vexual [10:23]
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pete_dushenski Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens, a long-term critic of so-called macroprudential policies aimed at dousing house prices, did an about-face last week, indicating for the first time that they may have a place. “It’s a worth a try,” Mr. Stevens said last week. “The worst that could happen is that it doesn’t have any effect.” [10:24]
pete_dushenski ^ because adverse effects are impossibru when you also control the stats dept [10:24]
pete_dushenski such lulz those central bankers [10:24]
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pete_dushenski decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion << too low? (i usually like russ btw) [10:28]
assbot " + soundfiledesc + " [10:28]
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Vexual [10:30]
Vexual dont let nobody tax youy [10:31]
cazalla property is so fucked here [10:34]
Vexual how so? [10:36]
cazalla cost is too high so every cunt is subdividing and building even more sardine cans [10:38]
Vexual resisentiua;? [10:38]
Vexual try commerical if they dont like the lightwitch you gotta change it [10:39]
Vexual its the fuckin rools [10:39]
Vexual enhancing criminal intent [10:42]
Vexual im making goulash [10:43]
cazalla yum [10:43]
cazalla having steak and salad, gonna put some meat through the mincer so little one can have his first try of red meat [10:44]
Vexual its fail but delicious [10:44]
pete_dushenski g'day ozzies! [10:45]
Vexual let the sprog xhew it [10:45]
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Vexual fucxin mincer [10:45]
cazalla he can't, almost 9 months and no teeth yet [10:45]
Vexual well let him wait [10:46]
cazalla nah, i want to get some red meat into him [10:46]
Vexual tru dat [10:46]
Vexual hes got teeth? [10:47]
Vexual dont mince it all [10:47]
cazalla no, none yet, seems like he has been teething for months but nothing has come through yet [10:47]
cazalla not so bad, missus complains he bites the titty, having teeth would make it worse [10:48]
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Vexual steak then [10:49]
cazalla choking hazard [10:49]
Vexual well its steak or tit [10:50]
cazalla put it through mincer, can give him small spoonfuls at a time [10:50]
Vexual meh, its your kid [10:50]
cazalla so i'm told [10:50]
Vexual dont blame me if it somees out a furry [10:51]
cazalla lol [10:51]
Vexual [10:53]
cazalla see will be charging 10% gst on bitcoin from 3rd next month [10:56]
cazalla [10:56]
assbot How the New ATO Guidance Affects CoinJar Users | CoinJar Blog [10:56]
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RagnarDanneskjol crikey [10:57]
Vexual such is life [10:58]
Vexual i sold some coin thru coinjar, they took twice what i staked [10:59]
Vexual took em a week to solve it, never again [10:59]
Vexual face to face perhaps [10:59]
Vexual [11:02]
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RagnarDanneskjol [11:27]
assbot Buju Banton - Untold Stories - YouTube [11:27]
cazalla you 2 and your nignog tunes [11:29]
Vexual lol [11:31]
Vexual itll get worse before it gets better [11:31]
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Vexual [11:32]
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RagnarDanneskjol that is odd [11:36]
Vexual [11:37]
RagnarDanneskjol [11:38]
assbot Com Truise - Data Kiss - YouTube [11:38]
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cazalla muhfuggen bix nood [11:39]
Vexual sawahha? [11:40]
RagnarDanneskjol [11:41]
assbot FOE - A Handsome Stranger Called Death (Com Truise Remix) - YouTube [11:41]
Vexual you know cazalla a lot of that huffington interview is a bout guinea pigs and how to dispactch dem [11:41]
cazalla ?? [11:43]
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cazalla guinea pigs euphemism for? [11:44]
Vexual eat tehm replace them, the wholew nine kards [11:45]
cazalla have you eaten them? [11:46]
Vexual no [11:47]
Vexual i understand the concept [11:47]
cazalla seem too cute to eat [11:47]
Vexual meh [11:47]
Vexual [11:49]
cazalla Vexual, you been drinking all day? [11:50]
Vexual what day is it? [11:50]
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cazalla tuesday [11:52]
Vexual yes [11:52]
Vexual [11:53]
cazalla do you know your boi bangs Vexual [11:54]
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cazalla he lives in some houso area in western suburbs of melb [11:55]
assbot Bangs - 'Meet Me On Facebook' Exclusive - [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube [11:55]
Vexual rampant victorians [11:56]
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* assbot gives voice to MolokoDesk [11:57]
MolokoDesk deedBot is ready for another stress test. if someone wants to /invite deedBot we can give it a go. [11:58]
Vexual toothless fans liivin in vans [11:58]
MolokoDesk (looks like assbot is the only op) [11:59]
RagnarDanneskjol theres a command to sne to bot 'less you changed [11:59]
RagnarDanneskjol send to bot [11:59]
MolokoDesk oh duh. [11:59]
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RagnarDanneskjol yep [11:59]
MolokoDesk thanx. [11:59]
MolokoDesk .dump [12:00]
MolokoDesk not voices [12:00]
RagnarDanneskjol !up deedBot [12:00]
MolokoDesk !up deedBot [12:00]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [12:00]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [12:00]
MolokoDesk .dump [12:00]
deedBot time=1412067497 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412064000 elapsed=3497 [12:00]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.) [12:00]
MolokoDesk that only has to be done once. in the future it won't have to be done at all. (make #bitcoin-assets the home channel) [12:00]
MolokoDesk .balance [12:00]
deedBot deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu [12:00]
Vexual [12:01]
deedBot Bundled: [12:02]
MolokoDesk .deed [12:02]
assbot test deeds with TJ bogosity - [12:02]
deedBot deed 72F18AA55B8D4EBE not trusted. [12:02]
deedBot deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:02]
deedBot deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:02]
deedBot Found 2 valid and 1 bogus deed in [12:02]
assbot test deeds with TJ bogosity - [12:02]
MolokoDesk just missed the hour mark. I see it's announing null bundles. [12:03]
MolokoDesk .deed (ALF,RD) [12:03]
deedBot deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:03]
deedBot deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:03]
deedBot Found 2 valid deeds in [12:03]
assbot deedbot test 9.26.14 - [12:03]
assbot deedbot test 9.26.14 - [12:03]
RagnarDanneskjol .deed [12:04]
deedBot deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:04]
deedBot deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:04]
deedBot Found 2 valid deeds in [12:04]
assbot testing - [12:04]
assbot testing - [12:04]
RagnarDanneskjol huh - first deed doesnt list one of the signers oddly [12:04]
MolokoDesk assbot doesn't enjoy the recapitulation of the URL [12:04]
RagnarDanneskjol all others are fine [12:05]
MolokoDesk it has unicode in the ---BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--- header [12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol [12:05]
assbot test deeds with TJ bogosity - [12:05]
MolokoDesk so it's not a valid signed message block. [12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol that one [12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol nope it is [12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol one from bingo [12:05]
MolokoDesk the weird unicode dashes are valid? [12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol unless he changed his key [12:05]
RagnarDanneskjol beats hell outta me [12:05]
MolokoDesk oh I see. [12:06]
MolokoDesk let me check the trust metric on that. [12:06]
RagnarDanneskjol other one is fine lists ascii and me [12:06]
MolokoDesk there's one test file that has the unicode issue. I see what you mean though here. [12:06]
Vexual [12:07]
MolokoDesk gribble's claiming there's no such user for that key [12:07]
MolokoDesk ;;gribble info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE [12:08]
gribble Error: "gribble" is not a valid command. [12:08]
MolokoDesk ;;gpg info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE [12:08]
gribble No such user registered. [12:08]
RagnarDanneskjol investigating [12:08]
RagnarDanneskjol [12:09]
assbot #bitcoin-otc gpg key data [12:09]
RagnarDanneskjol yep different [12:09]
RagnarDanneskjol NEVERmind - I thought that was original one with his sig [12:10]
RagnarDanneskjol forget it . is fine [12:10]
Vexual .dont wurry [12:11]
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Vexual [12:12]
MolokoDesk wondering if assbot will ignore url's without the http ... [12:13]
MolokoDesk ok. I'll re-announce them without the protocol prefix [12:14]
RagnarDanneskjol i think it still does [12:14]
MolokoDesk it didn't look up the http description header that time. [12:15]
RagnarDanneskjol guess so [12:15]
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RagnarDanneskjol actually - it seems to w/ http half the time.. ses vexual's youtube pastes no, mine yes [12:17]
Vexual [12:17]
MolokoDesk not all web pages have a description meta tag. [12:18]
MolokoDesk .deed [12:18]
deedBot No signed deeds found in [12:18]
assbot Google [12:18]
assbot Google [12:18]
RagnarDanneskjol i thought youtube would be consistent [12:18]
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RagnarDanneskjol s'ppose you could sign the git commits smartly and deed them. would like to see how it reads the hub [12:21]
* assbot gives voice to punkman [12:21]
MolokoDesk .deed [12:22]
deedBot No signed deeds found in [12:22]
punkman .deed [12:22]
deedBot No signed deeds found in [12:22]
MolokoDesk how large is that file? [12:22]
MolokoDesk it's a pgp encrypted message, not a clearsigned document [12:23]
RagnarDanneskjol its just an encrypted block [12:23]
RagnarDanneskjol yea [12:23]
punkman it's not encrypted [12:23]
RagnarDanneskjol errr, como? [12:23]
MolokoDesk what is it? [12:23]
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punkman was clearsigned a requirement? [12:24]
RagnarDanneskjol thats all its meant to read [12:25]
MolokoDesk .deed [12:26]
deedBot No signed deeds found in [12:26]
MolokoDesk trying to mess with the file size limit. [12:26]
MolokoDesk .dump [12:27]
deedBot time=1412069094 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=1493 [12:27]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (6 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle) [12:27]
MolokoDesk .balance [12:27]
deedBot deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu [12:27]
Vexual [12:27]
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MolokoDesk [12:30]
MolokoDesk there's kind of a lame way to vandalize this... just keep feeding deed files from the deed registry back into it. [12:31]
MolokoDesk I should block that. [12:31]
RagnarDanneskjol shh [12:31]
MolokoDesk I should wait 30 days before disclosing exploits? [12:31]
MolokoDesk heh [12:31]
MolokoDesk we're here to break it. [12:31]
punkman .deed [12:32]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - [12:32]
punkman !up deedbot [12:33]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [12:33]
RagnarDanneskjol it had voice [12:33]
punkman nah [12:33]
RagnarDanneskjol oh [12:33]
Vexual [12:33]
RagnarDanneskjol .deed [12:34]
deedBot deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:34]
deedBot Found 1 valid deed in [12:34]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - [12:34]
assbot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - [12:34]
Vexual all the ladies in washington are scrabl,ing to get outta town [12:34]
Vexual better roll your aeroplane down [12:34]
punkman does it detect duplicates? [12:34]
MolokoDesk no [12:35]
RagnarDanneskjol doubt it [12:35]
MolokoDesk that could be an issue if the contracts have no unique identifier in the text. [12:36]
MolokoDesk "see? you sold me 500 shares instead of one" [12:36]
MolokoDesk "one at a time" [12:36]
RagnarDanneskjol whats with those conspiracy numbers punkman, any clues - i am bad at these [12:37]
Vexual alive and dead [12:37]
MolokoDesk magic square is my guess. [12:37]
Vexual yeah [12:38]
MolokoDesk .calc 1+36+34+33+2+3 [12:38]
deedBot 1 + 36 + 34 + 33 + 2 + 3 = 109 [12:38]
MolokoDesk .calc 9+ 14+ 25+ 24 +11+29 [12:38]
deedBot 9 + 14 + 25 + 24 + 11 + 29 = 112 [12:38]
MolokoDesk nope [12:38]
MolokoDesk rows and columns add up to ascii characters? [12:39]
Vexual [12:39]
MolokoDesk or a random set of numbers masquerading as an enigma. [12:39]
punkman .deed [12:39]
assbot - [12:39]
deedBot deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:39]
deedBot Found 1 valid deed in [12:39]
MolokoDesk 6x6 = 36 it's maybe a 666 meme [12:39]
assbot - [12:39]
Vexual bit by a snake= dead [12:39]
Vexual it happens [12:40]
MolokoDesk .wolfram sum(1..36) [12:40]
deedBot Total[arithmetic progression | 1 to 36 | step size | 1] = 666 [12:40]
MolokoDesk yeah, adds up to 666 and it's 6x6 [12:40]
MolokoDesk .calc 18*18 [12:41]
deedBot 18 * 18 = 324 [12:41]
MolokoDesk those calculator things are the only two non-deed functions in the bot. [12:42]
Vexual ;;calc ultimate sperpant [12:42]
gribble Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (, line 1) [12:42]
Vexual bwahaha [12:42]
MolokoDesk ;;calc number of the beast [12:43]
gribble Error: invalid syntax (, line 1) [12:43]
MolokoDesk .calc number of the beast [12:43]
deedBot Number of the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [12:43]
MolokoDesk .calc speed of light in rods per fortnight [12:43]
deedBot the speed of light = 7.21047 × 10^13 rods per fortnight [12:43]
RagnarDanneskjol ha calc is goog [12:43]
Vexual goog ist shite [12:44]
Vexual am i talking to a realbot? [12:45]
MolokoDesk yeah [12:45]
MolokoDesk i mean yeah, it's a google scrape [12:45]
MolokoDesk the module is external, it's Tao_Jones [12:45]
MolokoDesk .dump [12:45]
deedBot time=1412070227 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=2626 [12:45]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle) [12:45]
Vexual okay, if those two sommets connected by ice det too clode to su which way they spin? [12:48]
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MolokoDesk is this some quantum Shakespeare thing? [12:49]
Vexual no its an astro science thing [12:49]
MolokoDesk oh the dumbell-shaped comet pair with the ice isthmus. Yeah, they could blow apart from vapor pressure or tidal forces. [12:50]
MolokoDesk they're co-orbital though and would probably collide again. [12:50]
MolokoDesk just guessing. [12:50]
Vexual collide again [12:50]
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Vexual seems unlikely [12:51]
MolokoDesk two sonnets connected by in circuit emulator determinants to the algebraic group su, what't their quantum spin? [12:51]
MolokoDesk collisions like that are generally how planets form. [12:51]
Vexual one goes one way, and one goes a ltiile diff [12:52]
MolokoDesk so the orbits diverge? [12:52]
Vexual no no [12:52]
MolokoDesk you could set up a betting pool on this. [12:52]
MolokoDesk SpaceBets [12:52]
Vexual yes the orbits change [12:53]
MolokoDesk they're gravitationally bound to each other though. the solar wind and vapor pressure would have to exceed their mutual escape velocity. [12:53]
MolokoDesk there's at least one known asteroid with a moon. [12:53]
Vexual dust and ice [12:53]
MolokoDesk yeah the gravity would be fairly low. But I think gravity between ball bearings on a lab desk has been measured. [12:54]
Vexual what commet ar eyou commenting? [12:54]
MolokoDesk .wolfram mass of ida [12:54]
deedBot 243 Ida | mass = 4.12×10^16 kg (kilograms) = ~~ ( 0.008 ~~ 1/125 ) × Earth's atmosphere mass ( 5.1441×10^18 kg ) [12:54]
MolokoDesk .wolfram mass of dactyl [12:55]
deedBot (no apparent answer for: mass of dactyl) [12:55]
RagnarDanneskjol .deed [12:55]
deedBot No signed deeds found in [12:55]
assbot deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub [12:55]
assbot deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub [12:55]
MolokoDesk I wonder if it's not url-decoding that. [12:55]
MolokoDesk it maybe taken verbatim [12:56]
RagnarDanneskjol hmm, would like that to be a thing. as its quite useful [12:56]
Vexual [12:56]
MolokoDesk I'll have to look into it. [12:56]
MolokoDesk .dump [12:57]
deedBot time=1412070908 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=3307 [12:57]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle) [12:57]
MolokoDesk 5 minutes to bitcoin spend of bundle to blockchain. [12:57]
Vexual well said [12:58]
RagnarDanneskjol place your bets [12:58]
RagnarDanneskjol .deed [12:58]
deedBot deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:58]
deedBot deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle [12:58]
deedBot Found 2 valid deeds in [12:58]
MolokoDesk $url=urlencode(urldecode($px[4])); this fixes that.. it was urlencoding it without decoding it first. [12:59]
Vexual [13:00]
MolokoDesk why'd it work the 2nd time? [13:00]
Vexual let me tell you a little bedtime story [13:00]
MolokoDesk raw [13:00]
RagnarDanneskjol raw txt [13:00]
MolokoDesk I have to write specials for each non-raw conversion at a dropsite. [13:01]
MolokoDesk github's kinda huge. I may do that. [13:01]
deedBot Bundled: [13:02]
MolokoDesk what is this non-message? [13:03]
MolokoDesk .dump [13:03]
deedBot time=1412071265 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071216 elapsed=49 [13:03]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.) [13:03]
MolokoDesk it's spent and tracking it. [13:03]
Vexual sleep moar [13:03]
* assbot removes voice from deedBot [13:04]
Vexual no no [13:04]
RagnarDanneskjol !up deedBot [13:04]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [13:04]
MolokoDesk period instead of comma in a regular expression. [13:04]
* deedBot has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [13:05]
MolokoDesk restarting it with revisions. [13:05]
MolokoDesk tracking will pick up where it left off. [13:05]
Vexual have some data [13:05]
MolokoDesk pending bundles survive and are retained. [13:06]
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MolokoDesk !up deedbot [13:06]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [13:06]
MolokoDesk .dump [13:06]
deedBot time=1412071472 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=272 [13:06]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.) [13:06]
deedBot (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets) [13:06]
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Vexual do you need a databse? [13:07]
MolokoDesk .interval 900 [13:07]
deedBot BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 900 seconds. [13:07]
MolokoDesk what kind of database? [13:07]
Vexual well i could recommend a format [13:07]
MolokoDesk nah, it puts files into a directory and deals with them as needed. [13:07]
Vexual did i say you could such your penis yet? [13:08]
Vexual dont premet me [13:08]
MolokoDesk i used sqlite3 the other day to pillage the bitcoin-otc web of trust database files and hammer them into a brief form used by the bot. just the trust metrics indexed by KeyID for people that can use assbot. [13:09]
MolokoDesk punkman put me up to it. [13:09]
Vexual well there you go [13:09]
RagnarDanneskjol ned to do another round of deeds now, huh [13:09]
MolokoDesk this gets updated every 15 minutes 5 minutes after the mark 5,20,35,50 [13:10]
MolokoDesk probably. [13:10]
RagnarDanneskjol i mean to validate performance in chan [13:10]
MolokoDesk or we could see what it does when there are no deeds. [13:10]
RagnarDanneskjol i'll start [13:10]
MolokoDesk re-using that raw item with the %20 in it would test something. [13:10]
MolokoDesk .deeds saldkflaskdjf [13:11]
RagnarDanneskjol .deed [13:11]
deedBot No signed deeds found in [13:11]
MolokoDesk odd [13:11]
RagnarDanneskjol yea [13:11]
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Vexual kinda shit [13:11]
MolokoDesk i probably broke it. [13:11]
RagnarDanneskjol youbroke it [13:11]
RagnarDanneskjol ahhh [13:12]
RagnarDanneskjol gribble [13:12]
punkman did my UTF8 message survive? [13:12]
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Vexual mug [13:13]
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MolokoDesk !up deedbot [13:13]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [13:13]
MolokoDesk .dump [13:13]
deedBot time=1412071894 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=694 [13:13]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.) [13:13]
deedBot (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets) [13:13]
MolokoDesk .interval 1800 [13:13]
deedBot BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1800 seconds. [13:13]
MolokoDesk .interval 1200 [13:14]
deedBot BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1200 seconds. [13:14]
MolokoDesk .deed [13:14]
deedBot deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle [13:14]
deedBot deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle [13:14]
deedBot Found 2 valid deeds in [13:14]
RagnarDanneskjol hmm - so works with gribble down [13:15]
MolokoDesk yeah. gribble is out of the loop. [13:15]
RagnarDanneskjol oh yea [13:15]
RagnarDanneskjol forgot [13:15]
MolokoDesk streamlines things enormously [13:15]
MolokoDesk gribble still updates the trust database though. [13:16]
MolokoDesk !up deedbot [13:16]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [13:16]
MolokoDesk .dump [13:17]
deedBot time=1412072123 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=923 [13:17]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle) [13:17]
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deedBot Bundled: 0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt [13:22]
Vexual [13:22]
MolokoDesk .dump [13:24]
deedBot time=1412072554 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412072409 elapsed=145 [13:24]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (no pending deeds.) [13:24]
MolokoDesk .interval 3600 [13:24]
deedBot BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 3600 seconds. [13:24]
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punkman [13:26]
assbot When all cigarette packs look the same, fewer people buy them - The Washington Post [13:26]
deedBot published [13:27]
deedBot published [13:27]
RagnarDanneskjol i dont buyy it [13:27]
punkman Vexual, no branding on your cigarettes? [13:27]
Vexual yah cartier [13:27]
punkman Ragnar, look for my UTF message, that's why it should accept compressed messages [13:28]
punkman (gpg --sign --armor that is) [13:28]
RagnarDanneskjol i think the idea is to do that, then sign the block [13:29]
punkman it's signed and compressed when you don't --clearsign [13:29]
RagnarDanneskjol right, but remember mp describing this at one point. trying to find it [13:30]
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RagnarDanneskjol yep like this: [13:33]
assbot $ gpg -v -v gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESS - [13:33]
RagnarDanneskjol [13:34]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 01:44:07; mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol MolokoDesk [13:34]
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Vexual [13:36]
Vexual i smoke white owl and old port after noon [13:44]
Vexual no weed [13:47]
* assbot removes voice from deedBot [13:47]
RagnarDanneskjol !up deedBot [13:48]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [13:49]
Vexual [13:49]
Vexual yesca [13:52]
Vexual [13:54]
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Vexual [13:59]
Vexual 311 [14:02]
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Vexual [14:10]
MolokoDesk !up deedbot [14:11]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [14:11]
chetty need a laugh? [14:14]
assbot Scientists make droplets move on their own [14:14]
Vexual is that code? checz? [14:16]
Vexual science in chech is like what heroin emema? [14:17]
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chetty Just the title of that article is enough for a chuckle, imo [14:20]
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Vexual ya they love a droplet in prague [14:23]
MolokoDesk !up deedbot [14:24]
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RagnarDanneskjol i moved to other chan w/dump command [14:24]
RagnarDanneskjol the repors [14:25]
MolokoDesk (ok. I have deedBot installed to re-start on server reboots or deedBot terminations, it's home channel is set to #bitcoin-assets) [14:25]
RagnarDanneskjol reports [14:25]
mircea_popescu << with many thanks to asciilifeform [14:25]
assbot Manufactured insecurity and the issue of control pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [14:25]
mircea_popescu had he not made me read that thing, i wouldn't have the tool ready for like the best reference this week. [14:25]
MolokoDesk (you won't see deedBot in other chan without an invite or join directive) [14:25]
mircea_popescu this chan is so fucking intellectually empowering. [14:25]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk hey how goes there ? [14:25]
MolokoDesk fairly well. [14:26]
MolokoDesk deedBot is resonably terse and bulletproof now. [14:26]
mircea_popescu didja implement the two things outstanding ? [14:26]
MolokoDesk switched to using the 15 minute updated gribble database files. [14:26]
mircea_popescu how big are they ? [14:27]
MolokoDesk it's tracking transaction IDs now. doesn't terminate. [14:27]
MolokoDesk oh they're kind of long. [14:27]
mircea_popescu nanotube is your preferred avenue for people needing to frequently query the db to check relation that they ask gribble each time or that they download the backups every 15 minutes ? [14:27]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk what do you save this way, like 1 query out of 3 ? [14:28]
MolokoDesk [14:28]
assbot DEEDS [14:28]
MolokoDesk gribble is completely out of the loop. the logic is linear no queues or state machines needed. Nothing stops if something else doesn't complete. [14:29]
MolokoDesk the code is much smaller. [14:29]
MolokoDesk splitting incoming files, verifying signatures, bundling are a single pass operation. [14:29]
mircea_popescu aha. [14:29]
mircea_popescu well that's something. [14:29]
MolokoDesk tracking is simpler. [14:29]
MolokoDesk it's just a lot easier and more predictable. [14:29]
mircea_popescu how often do you dld the db ? [14:29]
MolokoDesk side effect is that a json digest of the assbot trust web is available. [14:30]
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MolokoDesk assuming anyone would use something compiled by a 3rd party. [14:30]
mircea_popescu well it adds to central security if there's some catastrophe. [14:30]
MolokoDesk this is updated by a cron job ever 15 minutes. [14:31]
MolokoDesk y [14:31]
mircea_popescu well ok. if it's too much we'll fiddle with it or something. it is better code. [14:32]
Azelphur speaking of assbot trust levels, what does it take to get into assbots l1 trust? [14:32]
mircea_popescu ok, so what's outstanding here ? [14:32]
mircea_popescu Azelphur << making it in one of these. [14:32]
assbot The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [14:32]
mircea_popescu generally, people hafta be impressed with how worthy of being ennobled you are. [14:33]
MolokoDesk probably #bitcoin-assets watching it work long enough for you to take delivery of it. [14:33]
MolokoDesk also it's not registered with gribble/WoT [14:33]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk okay, what's your gameplan here, do you want to also run this as a going concern ? [14:33]
MolokoDesk the logic for handing an ;;eauth challenge is already in. when it logs on and identifies to freenode it issues an ;;eauth deedBot to gribble and picks up any challenge response, decrypts the item and does the ;;everify [14:34]
punkman hashing spec would be nice [14:34]
RagnarDanneskjol I'd like to see it in pyth asafp [14:34]
Vexual [14:34]
MolokoDesk so I guess gribble is still in the loop, but not as part of the bundling process. [14:34]
mircea_popescu what is it now, all php ? [14:34]
RagnarDanneskjol yea [14:34]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk well sure. gribble can't be permaout of the loop :p [14:34]
RagnarDanneskjol I might ask Alz to give it a crack [14:34]
MolokoDesk the hashing spec is just SHA256 of the file converted to a bitcoin address. [14:34]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: I'm sure I'm worth ;) [14:34]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol you're paying for that. it's a worthy cause :) [14:35]
RagnarDanneskjol I kno [14:35]
MolokoDesk I'm ok with writing it in python. [14:35]
RagnarDanneskjol hmm [14:35]
mircea_popescu Azelphur << not that counts are the end all be all, but with 500 lines in the past year, you can't be. [14:35]
assbot #bitcoin-assets stats [14:35]
Vexual whats it do? can i sell a shopping centre without getting sober? [14:35]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: fair enough, yea I'm not too active here [14:36]
MolokoDesk now that the architecture and methods and algorithms are worked out it should be faster to complete. [14:36]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk question was whether you want ot be the one running this or not. [14:36]
MolokoDesk it'd be ok with being the on-going bot op here. we'd have to work something out. [14:37]
mircea_popescu talk to me. [14:37]
mircea_popescu (people go "talk to mp". apparently mp does too.) [14:37]
MolokoDesk well, what's the attention span of a bot op adquate to service the trading/contract flow here? [14:37]
mircea_popescu uh. answer if something breaks. [14:38]
MolokoDesk I noticed that some people responded immediately by hand to stuff I sent to their bots. [14:38]
RagnarDanneskjol whats your expectation for response time mp? on any bot maintenance [14:38]
mircea_popescu from experience you get pinged within 5 minutes of it dieing [14:38]
Vexual cant even sell a playstation [14:38]
mircea_popescu well something reasonable, nothing set. if you're in the hospital and take half a week nobody's gonna sue. [14:38]
MolokoDesk if something breaks, it's mission-critcal and I stop what I'm doing and fix it now. [14:38]
mircea_popescu but in general, if you're online, you're online. [14:38]
MolokoDesk there'd be some way to send a message to my phone or desk. [14:38]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk it's not that essential. can wait a day. [14:39]
mircea_popescu it can't wait a week is all. [14:39]
MolokoDesk yeah, no rush on decisions about that. [14:39]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk no i mean, the fixing. [14:39]
MolokoDesk oh. [14:39]
MolokoDesk ok. well that time frame is casual. it would be fixed at my earliest convenience same-day. [14:39]
mircea_popescu it's not mission critical, it's in the "can wait a day can't wait a week" pile. [14:39]
mircea_popescu exactly. [14:39]
MolokoDesk it's likely that deedBot degrade gracefully. if any process in the chain stops things still get set up for the next bundle. [14:40]
mircea_popescu honestly i don't expect anything to break, since php is so stable and everything. [14:40]
Vexual [14:40]
MolokoDesk yeah, the program flow is sufficiently linear that it's not going to halt if something 500 server errors out at the API level. [14:40]
MolokoDesk running out of BTC would make it stop registering to the blockchain and the result might be one big giant deed bundle whenever that was remedied. [14:41]
mircea_popescu "This could be huge in my opinion" [14:41]
assbot Truthcoin: Trustless, Decentralized Bitcoin Prediction Marketplace | Hacker News [14:41]
mircea_popescu yeah it was huge. fucktards. [14:41]
mircea_popescu meanwhile the yc bitbet thread ? where is it ? "o, let's ignore and pretend that means we can stay relevant" [14:42]
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mircea_popescu MolokoDesk ima sent it a btc right now, actually. what was its wallet ? [14:42]
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MolokoDesk I've always been intrigued by prediction marketplaces. The theory is that markets efficiently integrate all available information, so the price reflects some sort of best-estimate of the probability of the predicted events. [14:42]
kakobrekla o look, 1.258 [14:43]
RagnarDanneskjol molo - how secure is that wallet? [14:43]
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MolokoDesk so far nobody has the passphrase or keys or passwords but me. [14:43]
MolokoDesk it's replacable. [14:43]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk it's an old discussion this. [14:43]
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MolokoDesk just change the API key and "secret" to spend. [14:43]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk so are you getting hacked ? [14:43]
MolokoDesk yeah, we decided the wallet is disposable, all of the security is in the signatures and blockchain. [14:44]
MolokoDesk it doesn't matter how the BTC is spent. [14:44]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni. [14:44]
penguirker New blog post: [14:44]
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MolokoDesk the spend address/hash is also a locus of security. [14:44]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk well so then i'd better only send .1 or something ? [14:45]
MolokoDesk none of that is fake-able. [14:45]
mircea_popescu ;;rated MolokoDesk [14:45]
gribble You have not yet rated user MolokoDesk [14:45]
MolokoDesk ragnar was suggesting a faucet. [14:45]
MolokoDesk it's secure enough that nobody would spend time trying to hack it for $20 [14:45]
mircea_popescu kay. [14:45]
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mircea_popescu which brings us to the nextr q : would you like to develop a payments extension for this ? [14:46]
MolokoDesk however. if you had access to the source code, which is stored outside of webspace, you'd have enough info to spend the wallet using the API. [14:46]
MolokoDesk the source on the private GITHub has stubs for that info. [14:46]
MolokoDesk so it's not disclosed so far. [14:46]
mircea_popescu ;;ident MolokoDesk [14:46]
gribble Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!', is not identified. [14:46]
mircea_popescu ident woudlja [14:46]
MolokoDesk ew. [14:46]
Vexual [14:47]
* assbot gives voice to MolokoDesk [14:48]
MolokoDesk laptop must have gone into sleep mode earlier. [14:48]
punkman gribble hiccup [14:48]
MolokoDesk other point of security would be the keyring for ;;eauth [14:48]
mircea_popescu fluffypony dude look at that jimothy guy still fightin' the good fight, one year and a half later, 2.x k posts in. [14:49]
fluffypony link? [14:49]
Vexual drink it all at once [14:49]
mircea_popescu fluffypony just looked at his forum profile [14:49]
mircea_popescu;u=137510 [14:49]
assbot View the profile of jimmothy [14:49]
fluffypony lame. [14:50]
fluffypony such investor. [14:50]
fluffypony much investment. [14:50]
fluffypony wow. [14:50]
mircea_popescu well he was in the link to why bitbet is bad on yc. [14:50]
mircea_popescu the place where airbnb is good :D [14:50]
MolokoDesk payments extension: what is that about? [14:50]
Vexual america? [14:50]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk i'll spec it for you one second. [14:51]
MolokoDesk if there's serious btc flow through a payment system I'd think we'd want to put this on a dedicated server instead of the virtual machine where it is now. [14:52]
MolokoDesk or on a server instance where that's the only thing running there. [14:53]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk [14:53]
assbot .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - [14:53]
deedBot deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu [14:53]
MolokoDesk I do so much stuff on this VM ... my dev activities are probably the biggest risk. [14:53]
mircea_popescu warn limit should prolly be 1 btc [14:53]
MolokoDesk if I put something up elsewhere on the same server that's just another exposure risk [14:53]
MolokoDesk .balance [14:54]
deedBot deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu [14:54]
MolokoDesk there's a low balance message that's never been activated yet. [14:54]
mircea_popescu coolness. [14:54]
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mircea_popescu !up deedBot [14:54]
-assbot- You voiced deedBot for 30 minutes. [14:54]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [14:54]
mircea_popescu ;;ident MolokoDesk [14:55]
MolokoDesk .calc 1/(0.00011 * 24) [14:55]
gribble Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!', is identified as user 'MolokoDesk', with GPG key id C58B15FA3E19CE9B, key fingerprint 4D4769A7EF6BB23D399DAA7BC58B15FA3E19CE9B, and bitcoin address None [14:55]
deedBot 1 / (0.00011 * 24) = 378.787879 [14:55]
MolokoDesk 1 btc is good for over a year at full capacity 1 bundle per hour. [14:55]
mircea_popescu ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again. [14:55]
gribble Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. [14:55]
mircea_popescu no wai [14:55]
MolokoDesk gribble is one cold dude. [14:56]
RagnarDanneskjol AAA seems a bit generous. it is the last day of the month] [14:56]
mircea_popescu ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again. [14:56]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user MolokoDesk has been recorded. [14:56]
MolokoDesk it's revokable. [14:56]
RagnarDanneskjol [14:56]
RagnarDanneskjol ] [14:56]
MolokoDesk but it does seem a bit much. [14:56]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol i dun gas when, he did it before the end of the month. [14:56]
RagnarDanneskjol oops [14:56]
mircea_popescu i am the avatar of splitting. [14:57]
Vexual oshit [14:57]
RagnarDanneskjol i kno, just sayin [14:57]
mircea_popescu ;;google splitting psychology [14:57]
gribble Splitting (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Understanding “Splitting” as a Psychological Term: ; Self-Deception II: Splitting | Psychology Today: [14:57]
MolokoDesk subjective recursion, self-commentary... [14:57]
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Vexual [14:58]
MolokoDesk we're still trying to break deedBot, but I think it passes. [14:58]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk so are you making the payments extension ? [14:59]
RagnarDanneskjol i dont think he follows [14:59]
MolokoDesk did I miss the spec? [14:59]
punkman it fails at unicode :P [14:59]
RagnarDanneskjol ugh [14:59]
RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu [14:59]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk < [14:59]
RagnarDanneskjol MolokoDesk [15:00]
assbot .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - [15:00]
deedBot deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu [15:00]
MolokoDesk you're talking abut the unicode dashes in the PGP signed message delimiters? [15:00]
assbot .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - [15:00]
deedBot deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu [15:00]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk no. [15:00]
punkman MolokoDesk: no, unicode in the message [15:00]
MolokoDesk ok. uh, where does that happen, just a report from deedBot? [15:00]
punkman check here towards bottom [15:01]
MolokoDesk bot trigger collision may need some work. laff. [15:01]
punkman oh never mind, browser didn't know it was utf [15:01]
punkman guess it works then [15:01]
mircea_popescu punkman yeah srsly i was all wut'd [15:02]
Vexual [15:02]
MolokoDesk yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice. [15:02]
MolokoDesk but the most expedient way to do it. [15:03]
mircea_popescu nothing unsound about it. it's the right way. [15:03]
MolokoDesk authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data. [15:03]
mircea_popescu use a single inbound address, pay out from it as directed. [15:03]
mircea_popescu webwallet done right is also tumblr by default. [15:04]
MolokoDesk like a small change drawer. [15:04]
mircea_popescu exactly. [15:04]
MolokoDesk if people are comfortable with the size of their deposits at risk, and the risk level that's doable. [15:04]
mircea_popescu you're taking a sizeable bite here, if you manage to run all this for a while and not get hacked you'll have all the cred you could possibly want [15:04]
mircea_popescu so don't fuck up. [15:04]
Vexual bwahaha [15:04]
MolokoDesk heh and get hacked... negative cred, maybe. [15:05]
mircea_popescu well yes. [15:05]
Vexual [15:05]
MolokoDesk ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly, just as needed for my own projects. [15:05]
mircea_popescu how old are you ? [15:05]
MolokoDesk I know you've noticed the criticism A.Andropoulos has been getting. [15:06]
mircea_popescu actually i haven't. [15:06]
MolokoDesk and I think he has a stronger background in security than I do. [15:06]
RagnarDanneskjol no [15:06]
mircea_popescu ugh. what ?! [15:06]
RagnarDanneskjol he does not [15:06]
MolokoDesk his customer service dept let a security hole slide unfixed. [15:06]
MolokoDesk after being repeatedly informed of it. [15:06]
mircea_popescu how the fuck is it "his" [15:06]
mircea_popescu guy's a mascota, talking muppethead. [15:06]
mircea_popescu this is like complaining that the decals didn't fix the engine. [15:07]
mircea_popescu cause "it's their car" [15:07]
bounce what, decals don't fix engines? news to me. [15:07]
MolokoDesk yeah, he's kind of verbal intervention and keynote speaker. Not sure what his early role in bitcoin is. I think he may have been in the first round bitcoin foundation group. [15:07]
MolokoDesk but then Mark Karpeles was in that too. [15:07]
bounce it's called "best current practice" and the industry is full of it. [15:07]
MolokoDesk anyway, I dunno. It's just news feed. [15:08]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk his early role in bitcoin was being a derp. [15:08]
Vexual oshit [15:08]
mircea_popescu anyway. how old were you ? [15:08]
MolokoDesk apple-style evangelism, maybe. [15:08]
mircea_popescu bounce that it is. [15:08]
MolokoDesk usually CSO isn't an honorary title. oh well. [15:09]
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MolokoDesk anyway, I know how startups are. they do anything to make their "forward-looking statements" remain plausible for as long as possible. [15:10]
MolokoDesk put people with high profiles on their boards of directors that do nothing but waive attending the annual meeting. [15:11]
mircea_popescu omfg is it like a secret or something!? [15:11]
MolokoDesk nuff said then. [15:11]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk how old are you dude! [15:11]
MolokoDesk over whatever. [15:11]
mircea_popescu more interested in the under part. [15:11]
MolokoDesk why? vocabulary? jadedness? polymath symptoms? [15:12]
RagnarDanneskjol he is older than us [15:12]
MolokoDesk yeah. [15:12]
mircea_popescu because i am trying to determine whether telling you to stfu and learn some unix admining is a good policy or not [15:12]
Vexual' [15:12]
mircea_popescu and that depends on how old you are. [15:12]
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MolokoDesk we can talk freely. no prob. [15:12]
mircea_popescu o.O [15:12]
MolokoDesk or are you asking whether I grasp the troll aesthetic? [15:13]
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mircea_popescu mkay. if you're under 30 stfu and learn some unix admining, it can't hurt you. if over 30 you probably have a point focusing on other things. [15:13]
mircea_popescu jesus gotta make if-then clauses. [15:13]
RagnarDanneskjol aha [15:13]
bounce you lack "answer the question" skills, eh. well, not the only one. [15:13]
MolokoDesk superposition. [15:14]
mircea_popescu bounce people get strange when put on teh spot huh. [15:14]
MolokoDesk I can find out what I need to know. [15:14]
* bounce can't get recruiters, hr peeps, or even first line support idjits to f'n answer their emails. [15:14]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk if you're wondering, the entire line was prompted by ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly [15:14]
MolokoDesk it's not so much not knowing, it's having to do it constantly. [15:14]
mircea_popescu right. [15:14]
MolokoDesk yeah, I think that was a symptom of long-term interests in other things. [15:15]
mircea_popescu well, good code means you won't have to do it constantly, cause good code never breaks :D [15:15]
MolokoDesk I'm thinking more of operating system updates, security patches, surveillance. [15:15]
mircea_popescu bounce the motherfucking answer! is the reason face to face productivity is better, btw. as expensive travel is, sometimes it's unavoidable, as people will mousy over emails for a year if given the chance [15:15]
mircea_popescu and so management has to fly people all over back and forth all day. [15:16]
MolokoDesk as 'security' best practices is mostly don't use certain language constructs, or coding practices that allow exploits from web input. [15:16]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk these days, security mostly relies on not updating to the newest set of bugs. [15:16]
MolokoDesk for example I deleted wordpress from this VM. I don't use it and didn't even want it there. [15:16]
Vexual [15:16]
mircea_popescu get a secure system, bolt it down and forget about it. [15:16]
bounce this isn't usually a problem among the, let's call them "usenet crowd". people who're reasonably good at discussing more than one thing per email and are technically minded so don't take it too personally when asked to answer a technical question. [15:17]
mircea_popescu don't even get me started on the topic of wordpress lmao. fucktards put a ddos hole in their xmlrpc [15:17]
mircea_popescu you can use any wp installation to basically probe for free or whatever else. [15:17]
MolokoDesk well, I can write the payments extension but deciding where to run it may be a different issue. [15:17]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk give the thing a day to think through. [15:18]
bounce heroku and google apps both, "for the resiliency" [15:18]
mircea_popescu wait what are you talking about !? [15:18]
mircea_popescu is this >9k sarcasm ? [15:18]
bounce well, how can it be if I get called to explain the joke? [15:19]
Vexual [15:19]
mircea_popescu "too much"! [15:19]
bounce so much for "leveraging the synergy" [15:19]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [15:21]
gribble Current Blocks: 323195 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1380 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33160433493.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.33044 [15:21]
mircea_popescu whoa [15:21]
mircea_popescu holy shit ?! [15:21]
mircea_popescu it HAD to ruin the 31bn bet, and then die right after ? [15:21]
mircea_popescu fucking bitch. [15:22]
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MolokoDesk just realized that Tao_Jones has a "joke" payment system in it called luzcoin it's not a real coin, it just keeps accounts for people in one IRC channel elsewhere and they mess about with it rhetorically. it has a mining back end that increments the accounts in a sporadic lottery. [15:26]
MolokoDesk coin-like substance, play money. [15:26]
RagnarDanneskjol MolokoDesk - pls see msg in other chan [15:26]
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mircea_popescu MolokoDesk what channel is that ? [15:26]
RagnarDanneskjol private [15:27]
mircea_popescu orly ? [15:27]
RagnarDanneskjol not really, just where testing bot [15:27]
RagnarDanneskjol #cex-squawk [15:27]
RagnarDanneskjol !up deedBot [15:29]
* assbot gives voice to deedBot [15:29]
RagnarDanneskjol .dump [15:29]
deedBot time=1412080043 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=431 [15:29]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.) [15:29]
deedBot (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets) [15:29]
deedBot deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle [15:32]
deedBot deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle [15:32]
deedBot Found 2 valid deeds in [15:32]
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RagnarDanneskjol OH- it doesnt reply pm now [15:32]
jurov RagnarDanneskjol: assbot has vexual in ignore [15:48]
jurov hence no titles [15:49]
RagnarDanneskjol ahhh. interesting [15:49]
MolokoDesk .dump [15:49]
deedBot time=1412081247 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=1635 [15:49]
deedBot DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle) [15:49]
deedBot (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets) [15:49]
MolokoDesk !up deedbot [15:49]
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MolokoDesk ok, for the payment system, it would create accounts based on wallet of origin of incoming payments. those would be the same wallets registered in web of trust/gribble, I presume. [15:51]
MolokoDesk random payments from unregistered wallets would sit in an account with no owner until someone registered them, but that's not a sound practice. [15:51]
MolokoDesk they'd be sent back to the originator or just forfeited. [15:51]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk nah, create accounts based on person's wot id. [15:51]
MolokoDesk ok. so they don't need to register a wallet ID with WoT? [15:52]
mircea_popescu nope. [15:52]
MolokoDesk hmn. [15:52]
MolokoDesk how do you know who pays into an account? [15:52]
MolokoDesk I can figure that out. [15:52]
MolokoDesk nevermind. [15:52]
kakobrekla kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni. < is not that simple. [15:52]
mircea_popescu Send X Bitcoin to Y address. [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner] < [15:52]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla ikno ikno. gotta tease tho! [15:53]
MolokoDesk right. how does one put money into the account in one's nick. [15:53]
MolokoDesk it has to come from a wallet. [15:53]
mircea_popescu yes. [15:53]
mircea_popescu so ? [15:53]
MolokoDesk so all you really now is that some wallet somewhere sent you btc. [15:53]
MolokoDesk whose wallet was it? [15:53]
mircea_popescu ~~~ [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner]~~~ [15:53]
mircea_popescu .deposit [15:53]
MolokoDesk so they just say "that wallet was mine"? [15:54]
mircea_popescu Hi MP. Please send to 1blabla make sure last 4 digits are 1944 [15:54]
mircea_popescu then if you get 1.00001944 you credit it to me. [15:54]
MolokoDesk ohyeah, Igot it that first line. [15:54]
mircea_popescu so then what's the problem ? [15:54]
MolokoDesk they send you a microchange digit set and you confirm on that. [15:54]
MolokoDesk in private message. [15:54]
mircea_popescu nope. [15:54]
MolokoDesk like initial bank handhsaking. [15:55]
mircea_popescu no need for any of that. you just use a hash of their userid to generate a 4 digit pin, and credit to their acct all deposits to your address that have that pin for last 4 digits. [15:55]
MolokoDesk I guess one presumes nobody wants to give people money at random. [15:55]
kakobrekla ;;seen mike_c [15:55]
gribble mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 15 hours, and 10 seconds ago: (j/k) [15:55]
mircea_popescu one doesn't presume anything. this is how the system works. [15:55]
mircea_popescu people can use it whatever way they please. [15:56]
MolokoDesk "oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything. [15:56]
mircea_popescu and you only have one address in your wallet, and pay from it whenever someone asks and that's that. [15:56]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk who's to know ? [15:56]
mircea_popescu maybe someone wants to donate to them. [15:56]
MolokoDesk yeah, nobody's gonna stop you. [15:56]
mircea_popescu hardened systems means among other things breaking the convenient assumptions of the enemy. [15:57]
MolokoDesk ok. with two audit trails that should be bulletproof, if it's all done in this channel the published channel logs are a matter of record. the payment extension also keeps an audit trail and a database. [15:58]
mircea_popescu yup [15:58]
mircea_popescu all ingredients for a secure system are there. [15:58]
MolokoDesk uh, what chance of two people randomly choosing the same 4-digit deposit suffix? [15:58]
mircea_popescu they don't choise it. [15:59]
mircea_popescu bot choses it. [15:59]
MolokoDesk amount would also have to math. [15:59]
MolokoDesk match. [15:59]
MolokoDesk ok. [15:59]
mircea_popescu what amount dood. [15:59]
MolokoDesk there are only 10000 of those. [15:59]
mircea_popescu yeah well, we won't have 10k users. [15:59]
MolokoDesk I was still back on 'depositer declares digits' not "bot declares digits" [15:59]
mircea_popescu ah. yeah. [15:59]
MolokoDesk 10k transactions. oh. each user has a unique 4-digits always the same. their "account number" sure. [16:00]
mircea_popescu yeah. [16:00]
mircea_popescu and if it becomes a problem we move to 6 or w/e. not that any irc chan ever had 10k members online. [16:00]
MolokoDesk I haven't slept recently if I'm seeming dense. [16:00]
RagnarDanneskjol same as usual [16:00]
MolokoDesk what's the likely volume of the pooled wallet for what... 50 people? [16:01]
RagnarDanneskjol dense, not lack of sleep [16:01]
mircea_popescu i dunno, coupla btc ? [16:01]
bounce you start having problems well before 10000, that with hash collissions and everything [16:01]
mircea_popescu bounce true. [16:01]
mircea_popescu easy enough for anyone to test it, send 10k satoshi see if you get it. [16:01]
mircea_popescu if you don't get it, bitch. [16:02]
mircea_popescu bounce actually hashing isn't even the right approach, should serialize. [16:03]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk maybe instead of hashing,keep a serial of when people go .deposit and use that, [16:04]
bounce then you have an arbitrary cookie and might as well use separate payment addresses [16:04]
mircea_popescu increment by one if person wasn't seen before. [16:04]
mircea_popescu bounce notrly. you use a single address chiefly because that way mitm is pointless. [16:04]
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nanotube mircea_popescu: re db queries - depends on frequency of gribble queries. if you'd be querying gribble more than once per 15 min, get the db. [16:06]
mircea_popescu nanotube got it. [16:06]
bounce now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret? [16:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12658 @ 0.00075221 = 9.5215 BTC [-] [16:06]
bounce s/key/payment address/ [16:07]
bounce s/combines/spits out/ (from the combination, etc.) [16:07]
punkman btw unnamed source says coindesk pays around $90 per article [16:08]
bounce sounds like easy money. [16:08]
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mircea_popescu punkman like hell they do. [16:09]
mircea_popescu $90 buys you an hour's work of a professional. their articles are 15 minute jobs by 3rd worlders. 9 bux is a gross exaggeration. [16:10]
mircea_popescu (easy to arb, too, go on fiverr, have 20 people write articles, get 2 accepted by coindeks, profit) [16:10]
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bounce ebay to spin out paypal again. huh. [16:12]
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mircea_popescu bounce omidyar has figured out paypal / website payments are dead in the water, selling it while he's ahead of the curve. [16:15]
mircea_popescu smart move. [16:15]
bounce only after icahn badgered them to do it for months [16:17]
mircea_popescu yeah well would you listen to icahn / [16:18]
bounce of course not. even so. [16:19]
mircea_popescu !up eth2 [16:19]
-assbot- You voiced eth2 for 30 minutes. [16:20]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla can deedbot go on bot voicelist. [16:20]
kakobrekla is it ready [16:20]
RagnarDanneskjol no - need to sort out who registers/owns it [16:21]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol community owned, what. [16:21]
RagnarDanneskjol uhh, thought some person needs to secure keypair for anygiven bot - like I assume kako has assbot's [16:22]
mircea_popescu giving it a gpg sig is a handwave anyway, whoever controls it can make it sign anything anyway. not like it's a creature in itself. [16:22]
RagnarDanneskjol right [16:22]
mircea_popescu nickserv id is enough really. [16:22]
bounce for freenode, whoever has access to the backend and can fix it if it goes amok [16:22]
mircea_popescu and yes, freenode policy is to cloak bots by maintainer. [16:23]
mircea_popescu i suppose we should get a b-a cloak huh ? [16:23]
RagnarDanneskjol !up deedBot [16:24]
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teward mircea_popescu: unless #bitcoin-assets is its own Group Registration, it falls in the #bitcoin* namespace [16:24]
mircea_popescu teward i was thinking of making a group reg. [16:24]
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teward mircea_popescu: first GRFs are closed [16:25]
teward mircea_popescu: secondly you run into namespace issues [16:25]
mircea_popescu o they don't do that anymore ? [16:25]
teward (#bitcoin-* is typically considered #bitcoin, like #anything-* is #anything) [16:25]
mircea_popescu teward it can just be b-a, or w/e. [16:25]
teward mircea_popescu: GRFs been closed a while, but point still stands, namespace issues [16:25]
mircea_popescu you don't have to name the group = the channel do you. [16:25]
bounce "#assets" [16:26]
mircea_popescu "freenode group registration is currently suspended, as the group registration process became significantly backlogged to the point that it was not viable to continue taking new registrations. This is an unfortunate side-effect of the combination of the following" [16:26]
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mircea_popescu fucktards. they fail to list "we suck to the degree we will die of self imposed attrition. we don't even talk to people wh owant to give us free servers anymore" [16:26]
bounce so. freenode2? [16:27]
mircea_popescu bounce eventually. seems unavoidable. [16:27]
mircea_popescu sadly. [16:27]
bounce needs a bit of a crew, some buy-in from a few groups, and so on, to get the thing started [16:28]
mircea_popescu myeah. [16:28]
mircea_popescu anyway. 2015's problems. [16:28]
RagnarDanneskjol [16:29]
assbot Tactical Chat: How the U.S. Military Uses IRC to Wage War | Public Intelligence [16:29]
deedBot published [16:29]
mircea_popescu doh. [16:30]
kakobrekla you want some a record for the deed thing [16:31]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yes actually. [16:31]
mircea_popescu deeds.b ? [16:31]
jurov ya they love a droplet in prague << no they're just world experts on alcohol [16:32]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla and does that come with some server space ? :) [16:32]
kakobrekla we can do that [16:33]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a zone and a server login. [16:34]
mircea_popescu an wipe the test bundles when you do it too. [16:38]
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mats_cd03 ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you want to read something on HeinOnline, LexisNexis, Westlaw let me know [16:38]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:38]
mircea_popescu only him ? [16:38]
RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - I seriously doubt he'll see that. will send him an email [16:39]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol better leave it as a later tell ? [16:39]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a zone and a server login. an wipe the test bundles when you do it too. [16:39]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:39]
RagnarDanneskjol correct [16:39]
RagnarDanneskjol still - he'll prolly miss it [16:40]
mircea_popescu well he'll gotta learn not to miss it :) [16:40]
mats_cd03 well... if you're in assbot's L2 i guess i could do that. [16:40]
mircea_popescu how the hell else will he know the bot's tits up anyway [16:40]
punkman turns out deedbot burns the coins [16:41]
RagnarDanneskjol old dogs [16:41]
mircea_popescu punkman hm ? [16:41]
RagnarDanneskjol not literally 'burnt' [16:41]
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mircea_popescu punkman: was clearsigned a requirement? << yes. [16:42]
punkman mircea_popescu: private key can't be recreated [16:42]
mircea_popescu why not ?! [16:42]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk: I should block that. << i wouldn't worry about vandals at the application level. if they do it they may get devoiced which is enough deterrent. [16:43]
punkman mircea_popescu: because it goes from file hash to pub address [16:44]
mircea_popescu punkman explain like im five. [16:44]
punkman it picks a random bitcoin address instead of generating the private key for one [16:45]
punkman (by random I mean based on the bundle hash) [16:45]
mircea_popescu uh. [16:46]
mircea_popescu mkay gotta grill the guy tomorrow about it. [16:46]
RagnarDanneskjol we discussed this at one point and determined this was the best approach - as alternative to millibtc to be recovered from a multitude of pregenerated addresses [16:48]
mircea_popescu link me ? [16:48]
RagnarDanneskjol will try - so many, getting cross eyed [16:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, the state in my head is that th bundle gets hashed into a pubkey which is where dust is sent. [16:49]
mircea_popescu aaand i'll bbl. [16:49]
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bounce of course, is squatted. wonder what they'll ask for it. [16:57]
punkman over 9 billion [16:58]
MolokoDesk (we've never really discussed the intent of compensation for work here. It matters to me because I have to make a living, so I have to be able to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be that everyone is developing "for free" because they are stakeholders in keeping the exchange going so they can use it, or the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or they're used to doing [16:58]
MolokoDesk open source for a lark.) [16:58]
MolokoDesk (let me know what's up.) [17:00]
mats_cd03 fun fact: the Bluetooth Low Energy spec has three key exchange mechanisms. 2/3 "do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection" (as per spec). [17:00]
bounce depends on where you are. in the big blue room, the sky is the limit. [17:00]
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mats_cd03 so, since out of band key exchange is difficult, most BLE devices can be construed as selectively backdoored. [17:01]
MolokoDesk (oops. missed mp, who is the person I should talk with this about) [17:01]
dub aside from possibly a handfull paid to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I think -assets labour is expected to be free (as in beer) [17:06]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk people in bitcoin are as a rule filthy rich, which means they do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, which is why coming up with things that are actually worth doing is so important and getting people to adhere to trhe highest standards so easy. [17:07]
* dub reserve the right to be entirely wrong [17:07]
mircea_popescu as far as your own case is concerned however, iirc you wanted some bitcents to cover for september, which you got, which is where we're now. [17:08]
mircea_popescu obviously doing more work is more pay, your queue to come up with something was [17:08]
assbot Logged on 30-09-2014 11:35:08; mircea_popescu: talk to me. [17:08]
mircea_popescu and it's still there. [17:08]
mircea_popescu s/queue/cue [17:08]
mircea_popescu dub who do you mean, saffron ? [17:09]
mircea_popescu people are getting paid to flash their tits, what're you talkin' aboot. [17:09]
dub i was thinking mpif ops, but yeah, sticking shit up your ass is another earner [17:10]
RagnarDanneskjol one part of the conversation on how deed coins are to be spent/lost: ..there was some more specific discussion i cannot locate [17:10]
assbot Logged on 30-08-2014 01:57:51; mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk block-and-address. [17:10]
mircea_popescu dub don't forget all the trolls i pay to bother random anons that forgot to take their pills on random forums nobody reads. [17:10]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol what's that to do tho ? i mean, this is merely how to index things on the site. [17:11]
mircea_popescu and he changed from the block thing to the tx thing which is fine. [17:11]
mircea_popescu dub how about the chick that got paid to secretary. [17:12]
RagnarDanneskjol I'm just addressing punkman's issue regarding coins spent to random addresses [17:12]
bounce on that note, how's the bitcoin f0ne going? [17:12]
mircea_popescu bounce still there, but i don't think many popl call. [17:12]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol but how do you figure this does that ?! [17:12]
RagnarDanneskjol because it does [17:12]
MolokoDesk ok. I'm not sure the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually take and advance or progress payment on staring a project, and the rest of the comp on delivery to satisfaction of the person who wanted the work. There's no way I could have done this for the initial payment. [17:12]
mircea_popescu i dun follow. [17:12]
MolokoDesk However, I'm aware we never discussed final comp. so. [17:13]
bounce cards in the mail to all the rich and powerful. "call our bitcoin f0ne!" [17:13]
mircea_popescu bounce but why [17:13]
MolokoDesk I'd usually bill low 4 figures for something like this USD. [17:13]
bounce for the blogposts. what else? [17:13]
MolokoDesk you'll get this regardless. I'm just saying this isn't what I had in mind. [17:13]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk well that's why it's very important to be loud and clear about what you have in mind. [17:14]
dub mircea_popescu: I thought they were teh same person [17:14]
mircea_popescu dub moiety and saffron ?! [17:14]
bounce anyway, just wondering really [17:14]
dub or, idk im out of the loop [17:14]
mircea_popescu why the hell does everyone think everyone's the same person as everyone else. [17:15]
mircea_popescu this anonimity. [17:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00075258 = 14.9387 BTC [+] {4} [17:15]
bounce a secret wish for a simpler world [17:15]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk don't be shy about it, we're all assholes anyway. [17:15]
dub its teh internet and 'they' are female, there can't be more than one [17:15]
mircea_popescu moiety is actually cute iirc. [17:15]
MolokoDesk ok, guess, we should talk about what adding a payment option to this and maintaining the bot long term are worth in terms of comp. [17:16]
mircea_popescu heck, there's not so many ugly women in btc. which makes one think... what if there's more to hotness than usually thought ? [17:16]
mircea_popescu what if ugly women are also stupid ? [17:16]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk go ahead. [17:16]
MolokoDesk can I make the btc equivalent purchasing power of USD $1200 per month doing this? [17:17]
RagnarDanneskjol no [17:17]
mircea_popescu doing what exactly ? admining deeds bot ? [17:17]
MolokoDesk writing software and maintaining it on a priority level. [17:17]
mircea_popescu that, yes. but you'll notice it's also unspecified. [17:18]
MolokoDesk ok. think of it as a retainer. [17:18]
mircea_popescu derping around with bitcoin can in principle be very lucrative, but in practice it depends what you do. [17:18]
MolokoDesk or for whom you do it. [17:18]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk retainers are useful where work is abundant and workers scarce. this is not the case in coding, [17:18]
MolokoDesk ok. [17:19]
mircea_popescu which is why things like linux can exist in the first placew. [17:19]
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MolokoDesk linux has a lot of ancillary work it creates by people versed in the field and who know it's internals or can modify it. So the people working on it are contributing to it because besides being generallly useful and having the political influence it does, they make a lot of money on it. [17:20]
mircea_popescu or for whom you do it. << well, yes, plenty of idiots manage to cosy up with the clueless and live decently in the process. not rly my cup of tea, but th world's full of tims and andreases. [17:20]
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mircea_popescu MolokoDesk quite exactly. [17:20]
MolokoDesk there's kind of an odd hybrid type of open source made by companies like Rackspace. they give the stuff away for free because it generates enormous amounts of work for them. [17:20]
mircea_popescu !up ivok [17:20]
-assbot- You voiced ivok for 30 minutes. [17:20]
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MolokoDesk ok. I'm pretty much out then I think. [17:21]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk among other things bitcoin is not very friendly to the fiat world model of work for hire. it very heavily favours the linux style of doing things. [17:21]
MolokoDesk well, increasing the number of stakeholders would make sense. [17:21]
bounce [17:21]
assbot Der Postillon: Telekom stellt Kunden Datenbertragung an die NSA in Rechnung [17:21]
mircea_popescu not sure what you mean ? [17:21]
dub bounce: lol awesome [17:22]
MolokoDesk if the only people who care about developing bitcoin are stakeholders, then having more stakeholders means more development and more likelihood that bitcoin in particular and decentralized cryptocurrencies in general will be around in the desired form in the long run. [17:22]
MolokoDesk right now bitcoin has a spendability problem, along with the disincentive to spend created by the expectation of deflation. [17:23]
RagnarDanneskjol not really [17:23]
mircea_popescu bounce wait wtf, german telecom wants to charge users for being spied ?! [17:23]
MolokoDesk there's also the volatility issue, but that may smooth out under certain conditions. [17:23]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk the thing is, bitcoin isn't trying to make friends. [17:24]
mircea_popescu it's offering a narrow window for people to be friendly, is all. [17:24]
bounce check their home page [17:24]
MolokoDesk is it trying to survive though? [17:24]
mircea_popescu bounce o like an onion ? [17:24]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk in the sense the sun is "trying to survive". [17:24]
mircea_popescu it's not optional. [17:24]
bounce sort-of, yes [17:24]
MolokoDesk well. cryptography is a mathematical fact. [17:24]
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MolokoDesk he epiphenomena that grow out of that may not be. [17:25]
mircea_popescu yeah but various implications flow from there. [17:25]
mircea_popescu major point being that bitcoin is not epiphenomena. [17:25]
kakobrekla sun is "trying to survive". < remember the matrix clouds [17:25]
mircea_popescu the perceived world is an epiphenomenon of bitcoin [17:25]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah lol [17:25]
kakobrekla sun is just fine, earth on the other hand, fucked. [17:26]
dub thats actually not far from reality [17:26]
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MolokoDesk there's a notion called non-entailment. it describes the non-predictability of evolving systems that lose backward-linked information as they evolve and for which there are a large number of adjacent states for which the fitness landscape is unknown or unknowable. [17:26]
mircea_popescu anyway, this philosophical arcana aside, i can see that people got bills to pay and so on, so. no argument from me., [17:26]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk that's not an adequate model for things such as gravity. [17:27]
MolokoDesk ok. what happens if someone spends 12 million BTC to a non-stakeholder, someone who wants to use it as general purchasing power. [17:27]
mircea_popescu it's not like the future of the theory of gravity is uncertain. it's quite certain. [17:27]
mircea_popescu the future of any group of people is not certain, but nor does it matter so much,. [17:27]
dub one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur [17:27]
MolokoDesk well, general relativity isn't an adquate model for nonlinear systems. [17:27]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk as to your what happens : he becomes a stakeholder. there's a nice little fable re the nsa stash in the logs relating to this. [17:28]
MolokoDesk something we may agree on is that equlibrium models in macroeconomics aren't particularly descriptive, things like keynsian macroeconomics. [17:28]
mircea_popescu < that. [17:28]
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mircea_popescu MolokoDesk only thing i can agree about re keynesianism is that it's retarded [17:29]
mircea_popescu i'd rather discuss actually self-aware religions than bizarre cults that claim they're not. [17:29]
MolokoDesk ok. we're in the same book there if not the same page. [17:29]
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RagnarDanneskjol ugh [17:30]
MolokoDesk economics as a persuasive force is intriguing. the way the statistical distribution of ideology follows various market forces. [17:30]
mircea_popescu surely. [17:30]
mircea_popescu but as a great man once said, "it is forbidden to teach nonsense. but the study of nonsense, that's scholarship" [17:31]
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chetty one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur// I think Iceland is taking care of that [17:33]
mircea_popescu chetty fortunately for all of us, the sulphur lobby ain't got money, [17:34]
mircea_popescu or else the entire us would be coated in fluoride [17:34]
mircea_popescu i mean sulfide whatever. [17:34]
mircea_popescu i miss the old days when us people were still living in africa where they belong and they fought "climate change" by digging holes in their labia. [17:35]
mircea_popescu the current masquerade is not unlike that famous monkey [17:35]
bounce sulphur credits? [17:35]
bounce let's lobby the UN! [17:35]
thestringpuller But you're friendly mircea_popescu [17:35]
mircea_popescu << him [17:35]
assbot Ape With AK-47 - YouTube [17:35]
MolokoDesk I suspect they're trying to apply a watershed management model to the atmosphere. [17:35]
thestringpuller you are the 2nd nicest person i've met on the interwebs [17:36]
dub chetty: indeed [17:36]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller where'd you meet the other one ? [17:36]
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bounce internet-of-things mirror [17:37]
dub sa [17:37]
thestringpuller oh hanbot ? on the bitcointalk forums [17:37]
thestringpuller who other than a nice person would sacrifice their sanity to try an educate lemmings for a paycheck? [17:37]
mircea_popescu bounce "idiots seldom differ" is apparently a natural law, not merely a clever theorem. [17:37]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller an asshole ? [17:37]
mircea_popescu or otherwise, an underpaid public worker. like you know, a schoolteacher. [17:38]
mircea_popescu MolokoDesk you know thinking about it... you're very likely exactly correct. [17:38]
mircea_popescu first explanation i ever heard that fits the observable data and doesn't require active malice. [17:39]
mircea_popescu which, contrary to what people think, is extremely expensive and thus quite a rare thing. [17:40]
bounce one might surmise that greatness of mind is orthogonal to what minds think about [17:41]
asciilifeform malice - expensive? sure. only in the sense an arsonist's ir laser to torch 'reichstag' from 10km away is expensive. the fuel for the fire - 'watershed management' or whatever idiocy of the day - is cheap. [17:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, i mean psychologically expensive. [17:41]
bounce wtf is this watershed management model thing? [17:41]
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mircea_popescu and ftr, watershed management is, if somewhat staid, perfectly valid agriculture [17:42]
asciilifeform sure. [17:42]
mircea_popescu which is a sort of engineering, for people thatdidn't get into metals scohol. [17:42]
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asciilifeform point being, a small (biomass-wise, in the count of active participants) malicious agenda goes a long way coupled with great quantity of passive (non-malicious executors) biomass. [17:43]
mircea_popescu sure, but it's easier to teach someone math than to teach someone to be effectually malicious [17:44]
mircea_popescu and most people can't be bothered to learn math. [17:44]
asciilifeform teaching to follow directions and doing a maliciously-selected but eminently-reasonable thing - easy. [17:44]
bounce disagree. for malice you need a certain amount of cunning. if you have that, it's easy. if not, it's hard. [17:44]
mircea_popescu sure. but those don't matter anyway. [17:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're basically looking at the cables. the cables aren't a machine, the transistors are th machine. [17:45]
bounce cunning and disregard for consequences or at least disbelief in your own responsibility [17:45]
mircea_popescu the nonlinear junction is the machine. and nonlinear junction is expensive. [17:45]
asciilifeform both are essentials of machine [17:46]
asciilifeform what is one, without other. [17:46]
mircea_popescu bounce no see, the brain is not an abstraction, it's an evolved mechanism. thus it has some channels which work a certain way to maintain it alive. malice requires your ability to isolate super processes from micro processes, so to have the former work backwards. [17:46]
mircea_popescu this is an extremely difficult proposition. [17:46]
mircea_popescu hence the "conscience", a pop reference to that fixed cost. [17:46]
bounce without conscience there's no cost [17:46]
mircea_popescu no, the cost is there. conscience is just the name for it. [17:47]
mircea_popescu the name for it you're familiar with, anyway. [17:47]
mircea_popescu to bluntly simplify, what's good for the cell is good for the organ is good for the organism is good for the group is good for the world. and that's how it naturally acts. [17:48]
bounce not everyone is actually burdened by such a thing. there's a reason petty crooks end up in the slammer time and again: inability to own up to their own misdeeds, to admit it was them that dunnit. [17:48]
mircea_popescu if you actually flip a bit in there, you'll need a shitton of boundry tests to not kill yourself with it. [17:48]
mircea_popescu this is actually false. [17:48]
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mircea_popescu think about it : they DO end up back in, right ? [17:48]
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mircea_popescu they're not like 10x more difficult to catch each pass, are they ? [17:48]
mircea_popescu well then... [17:48]
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bounce most of the time not of their own volition. [17:49]
mircea_popescu heh. [17:49]
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mircea_popescu so then they are burdened. [17:49]
mircea_popescu not in one way, but who says that's got to be the way. [17:49]
bounce then they get out, and are unburdened again. and right out after the easy low fruit they're not supposed to take again. [17:50]
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mircea_popescu not at all. [17:50]
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mircea_popescu they get out, still burdened by the ill effects of their mismanaged flipped bit [17:50]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: no way! and yo upaid for the lemmings to be educated. that makes you a saint possibly. [17:50]
mircea_popescu which is how they get caught. because the code is broken [17:50]
mircea_popescu and it's broken because malice is expensive to write in software. [17:50]
thestringpuller A truly selfless act. [17:50]
mircea_popescu of any kind. [17:50]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. [17:51]
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bounce uhm. the expense is in the disagreeability of the rest of society, in fact it's the totality of society that bears the cost [17:52]
mircea_popescu not at all. [17:52]
mircea_popescu the expense is in that it's fucking hard to have asm instructions add one way [17:52]
mircea_popescu and then arbitrary in the stack add the other way. [17:52]
mircea_popescu and still have the rest of the code work. [17:52]
mircea_popescu let me go into details here, make a full model, save you some effort. [17:53]
bounce aight [17:53]
mircea_popescu suppose we live in a fully defined world with a fully exposed api consisting of two functions [17:53]
mircea_popescu rightthing() and wrongthing() [17:53]
mircea_popescu cell gets low on adp. cell calls rightthing() gets more energy. [17:54]
mircea_popescu body gets low on glucose. pancreas calls rightthing() releases some glicogen from liver [17:54]
thestringpuller glycogen* [17:54]
thestringpuller (sorry) [17:54]
mircea_popescu person is hungry. calls rightthing() gets a job. [17:54]
mircea_popescu now, obviously, person could also call wrongthing() steal bounce's sandwich. [17:55]
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mircea_popescu but the intricacies of calling wrongthing() in such a way as to not break the entire fucking stack are staggering. [17:55]
thestringpuller wrongthing can be right thing sometimes no? [17:55]
mircea_popescu brain is a repeating mechanism. next time person is in situation he may call wrongthing() again at a wrong time. [17:55]
thestringpuller what if stealing is the persons job? [17:55]
mircea_popescu how's one to know [17:55]
thestringpuller i.e. corporate espionage, professional art thief? [17:56]
mircea_popescu arguably. [17:56]
mircea_popescu which is why this is so damned expensive. [17:56]
mircea_popescu but if anyone's looking for intricate ways to waste their time, feel free to model a 5 layer system of successive binary calls like that, see how it affects population survavibility and how much space you need to be able to safely fire off both kinds. [17:57]
mircea_popescu should take care of about a year's worth of your time. [17:58]
thestringpuller or a year of a computer's time? [17:58]
mircea_popescu at a damage of 14.4k, as per the most recent data. [17:58]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [17:59]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 379.9, Best ask: 380.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 380.0, 24 hour volume: 14599.26597529, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.557080625 [17:59]
bounce it seems to me that the prevalence of crime even in an otherwise well-run system would indicate that this model of implied excessive cost isn't representative [18:00]
mircea_popescu anyway, the implications of a call aren't always obvious, which is a point well understood by security analysts, especilally with all the practice of late, and also how we ended up with all that sweet greek mythology about fate. [18:01]
mircea_popescu bounce i don't follow the logic there. [18:01]
bounce .oO( efficacy of greek mythology vs. computer security, discuss in a ten page essay ) [18:01]
mircea_popescu im saying routers are expensive, you're saying there's a lot of internet traffic. [18:01]
mircea_popescu ok. so ? [18:01]
bounce there's plenty routers that do mostly the right thing but then subtly the wrong thing in some cases, and the costs doesn't show up as prohibitive [18:03]
mircea_popescu not a good rendition of the analogy tho. [18:03]
bounce (there's this example of big brand name (cisco, forgot the model) routers taking ttl 0 packets and sending them out again with ttl 255) [18:03]
mircea_popescu let's approach this with different instrumentation. [18:04]
mircea_popescu where do you suppose it's more likely for a suprlus to accumulate, urban or rural setting ? [18:04]
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bounce surplus in what sense? [18:04]
mircea_popescu any sense. [18:04]
mircea_popescu some sort of resource. [18:04]
kakobrekla urban = surplus of garbage, rural = surplus of garbage disposal area [18:05]
mircea_popescu uh. a hole is not a resource. [18:05]
bounce well, I'd imagine that food surplusses are more likely in rural settings, and surplusses of "unwanted things" would be more likely in urban areas [18:06]
mircea_popescu bounce who's morel ikely to be rich ? [18:06]
mircea_popescu if i show you two people that's all you know about em. [18:06]
kakobrekla can you dig infinite amount of holes? no. [18:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yes, because i can dig hole within hole. [18:06]
kakobrekla thats where the human fish lives. [18:06]
kakobrekla (aka Proteus anguinus) [18:07]
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mircea_popescu bounce also, postmodernism is fucking with me. pretend the year is 1950. [18:07]
mircea_popescu back when urban and rural even meant something anymore. [18:07]
bounce there'll be yokels and fat farmers just like there'll be city bums and rich city folk. though I suppose the city folk might be more likely to have opportunity to amass riches. [18:08]
mircea_popescu aand where's malice going to be found as an art for its own sake ? [18:08]
mircea_popescu peasants can't afford to be assholes. [18:08]
bounce well, you won't find cattle rustlers in the city [18:08]
mircea_popescu the "good hardworking type" myth is exactly that, too fucking exhausted to be evil. [18:09]
mircea_popescu bounce yes, you will. spending their cattle rustling money trying to impress the wenches. [18:09]
mircea_popescu ;;seen klye [18:09]
gribble klye was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: Alright. I am off for a bit. Thanks for the invite to talk MP. I will be in touch. I'll also see if I can get you some "I love PM" pics for your collection [18:09]
mircea_popescu and since we're on it, the "keep her busy" ideology of metastatic xtianity is exactly the same. "no time to think evil." they actually go out and say it. [18:10]
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thickasthieves all stress is an expense [18:10]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves quite. [18:11]
mircea_popescu and here we make the junction with how lying is an expensive activity - you gotta keep track of all the lies. [18:11]
mircea_popescu same principle. [18:11]
bounce though I'll grant that mobsters risk stomach ulcers more than most other people [18:11]
thickasthieves <+mircea_popescu> thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. // is there a difference, maybe a saint was "rich" enough too [18:11]
mircea_popescu bounce never knew one that had ulcer. plenty of govt drones did, tho. fancy that. [18:11]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves can you name a rich saint ? [18:11]
* bounce was referring to some scientific study or other. says something about gov't dunnit guv [18:12]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla wow i had no idea. [18:12]
mircea_popescu salamanders apparently. [18:12]
thickasthieves define rich [18:12]
mircea_popescu uhm. enough to pay girlies to show their tits ? i dunno. [18:13]
thickasthieves without restraints, might be my definition [18:14]
thickasthieves freedom [18:14]
bounce though the expense of lies is exactly in the tracking to try and keep'em straight. in some circles the lies fly so thick that everybody knows there's lots of lying going on, so there's very little point in keeping'em straight [18:14]
thickasthieves when you are rich enough to do wtf you want, you can practice sainthood and all kinds of "expensive" behavior [18:15]
mircea_popescu bounce right back to the routers example :) [18:15]
bounce does mean a lot of arguing and "convincing" and other crap. doesn't mean the cost keeps on going up; at some point the belief just stops. [18:15]
mircea_popescu exactly, an abundance in practice does not speak as to how the behaviour is expensive. [18:15]
bounce practicing for sainthood isn't that expensive really. [18:15]
mircea_popescu thickasthieves or just as well could not [18:15]
thickasthieves it's very expensive [18:16]
thickasthieves imo [18:16]
thickasthieves sainthood might even be one of the most expensive things [18:16]
mircea_popescu i'm with him. telling an asshole to go fuck himself is hands down the hardest thing for people. [18:16]
mircea_popescu btw. [18:16]
mircea_popescu ;;google other people's lives [18:16]
gribble Other People's Lives (2011) - IMDb: ; The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb: ; MODEST MOUSE LYRICS - Other People's Lives - A-Z Lyrics: [18:16]
thickasthieves the only real currency we have is time [18:16]
mircea_popescu totally the illustration for this. [18:16]
mircea_popescu < that one. [18:17]
assbot The Lives of Others (2006) - IMDb [18:17]
thickasthieves telling an asshole to go fuck himself isnt that expensive, but getting him to agree and understand is [18:18]
mircea_popescu uh. that's nonsense. [18:18]
mircea_popescu how are ~you~ going to ... ~get him to~ [18:18]
thickasthieves go fuck yourself [18:18]
mircea_popescu no u. [18:19]
thickasthieves such battle! [18:19]
bounce go on, you know you wanna [18:19]
thickasthieves !b 7 [18:19]
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mircea_popescu fucking oneself ain't all that it's cracked up to be anyway. [18:20]
mircea_popescu (geddit ? cracked hah hah) [18:20]
thickasthieves lol [18:20]
bounce quick, cracked on reddit [18:21]
bounce, all the jokes from reddit [18:21]
mircea_popescu reddit has jokes now ?! [18:21]
mircea_popescu "knock knock" "whos there" "privilege checking" [18:21]
mats_cd03 gag [18:27]
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bounce wonder if you can quantify the damage to society by things like that month in jail for essentially no reason [18:47]
chetty the fear of it is a lot bigger problem [18:48]
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chetty per trilema latest article ...insecurity [18:48]
thickasthieves chill factor [18:48]
thickasthieves now i cant feel safe with utensils in car [18:49]
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bounce the fear of it and the government losing legitimacy, yes. wasn't thinking just the economic side of things. [18:50]
mircea_popescu bounce it's not the month in jail, just like the problem with stealing isn't really that omg, someone's going to miss what you stole. [18:50]
mircea_popescu it's the fact that she now can't plan, because lo and behold, randomly sent to jail. [18:50]
mircea_popescu so why even bother with those violin classes she was saving up for ? [18:50]
thickasthieves music industry death by spoon [18:51]
mircea_popescu it's deeper than the govt legitimacy problem, too. it's the conventional nature of it that's the major destructive factor. [18:51]
mircea_popescu were she mauled by a savage beast, while unfortunate, it is quite natural. [18:52]
mircea_popescu but this is conventional and as such brings into question convention altgoether, as a device. [18:52]
mircea_popescu which is a lot more than the statal excrescency on human society. [18:52]
chetty (we leave out the month she probably ought to get for eating that crud, but I digress) [18:53]
mircea_popescu lol [18:54]
mircea_popescu bounce to rehash a limb of the previous discussion, you maybe heard that the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on. same thing with your thief : the opportunity cost of being a criminal is major in that you don't feel as much pressure to develop more useful traits. [18:56]
mircea_popescu for instance, hand't i been a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up a major revolutionary entrepreneur. [18:56]
mircea_popescu the moral of this koan being that nothing is quantifiable, except for the things which are already : energy and matter. not space, not time, not the chain of causality. [18:57]
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bounce well, if you go there I say "uncertainty principle" and energy and matter go out the window too [19:03]
mircea_popescu nope. [19:04]
mircea_popescu the uncertainity principle is exactly due to their being quantified [19:04]
bounce or we could consider that accounting seems pretty solid on the outside but then proceeds to consist of lots and lots of handwaving. "what's this worth? well, uhm... how about $thismuch?" [19:05]
bounce so the question is more of a "can we put some numbers on this?", of about the same accuracy as typical economic numbers like GDP [19:06]
chetty accounting, also know as legerdemain [19:06]
bounce could even work out what's supposed to be the optimal speed through the system and so what the size of the various budgets like for forensic labs should be [19:07]
mircea_popescu well of course we can put some numbers on this. [19:07]
mircea_popescu 4. [19:07]
mircea_popescu or if you want i has larger amounts of numbers too. [19:08]
mircea_popescu suppose you tell me what number you'd like put on it and we can both go home having recreated the entire us state in five minutes. [19:09]
bounce doesn't say what the bond was set at [19:09]
chetty 42 [19:10]
bounce 4 is random enough for me, thanks [19:10]
thickasthieves silver and gold are hurtin [19:24]
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mats_cd03 i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is a common name for whites or blacks through research [19:30]
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assbot Most-Popular-Baby-Names-for-Girls-in-the-USA-014 | FunCage [19:31]
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assbot Most Popular Baby Names for Girls in the USA (53 Photos) [19:31]
Dimsler looks like 91 / 92 was the ashleys [19:32]
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mats_cd03 my research suggests it is a predominantly white surname. [19:40]
mircea_popescu ashely ? prolly. [19:40]
Dimsler probably a whitey then [19:41]
mats_cd03 and somewhat tangentially, [19:41]
mats_cd03 >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% [19:41]
thickasthieves never met a person with any of those [19:41]
Dimsler well huff might be some form of bastardization [19:41]
thickasthieves :) [19:42]
Dimsler could have been huffington [19:42]
thickasthieves yeha huff sounds like some euro name that got chopped during immigrations [19:42]
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mats_cd03 i have met people with all of those surnames [19:43]
Dimsler lol those are all predmoninatly german / jew [19:44]
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mats_cd03 being born a german jew would probably be equivalent to living life on easy mode [19:48]
mats_cd03 oughta develop a dope addiction. balance things out. [19:48]
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bounce that really doesn't make sense [19:50]
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mats_cd03 my reality is warped [19:51]
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bounce rode to school in the warped bus, eh [19:52]
chetty hahahaha: tweet: There's not much room left under the Obama bus. [19:52]
mike_c ;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report. [19:53]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:53]
mike_c kakobrekla: ping. [19:54]
mike_c and for the record, moving sucks. [19:54]
kakobrekla even if its just the servers. [19:55]
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bounce on that note, next after obamaman will be what, a republican, maybe a tea-partier, and he'll go make war on whose asses? [20:02]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 pretty much central europeans are the us repository of whiteness. [20:02]
mircea_popescu bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of a usa is maintained hence. [20:03]
bounce o_O? [20:04]
bounce yet another "yes we can"-campaign then? [20:04]
mircea_popescu maybe hilary runs [20:05]
mircea_popescu or who knows. [20:05]
bounce michele vs. hillary [20:05]
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mircea_popescu maybe you get to have some actual fun and the same candidate is endorsed by both caucuses [20:06]
mircea_popescu "national unity" [20:06]
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bounce won't happen. this schizophrenic one party system has a serious aversion to truth in politics. [20:06]
bounce and it'd fsck with the sport of brinkmanship [20:07]
mircea_popescu depends where the angle is. [20:07]
mircea_popescu usians are notoriously idiotic in that they act all smug about how they're special to have had an axe handle shoved up the butt. [20:07]
mircea_popescu so maybe we get to see the first one party system in history where people enthusiastically support the idea. [20:08]
mircea_popescu (first only in the us sense of that term, of course) [20:08]
bounce (which is the only things that counts. provincials.) [20:08]
mircea_popescu you could say that before angie duff of derpytown, montana thought to dress in a sheet for her school play role as a roman matron [20:09]
mircea_popescu nobody even knew that's how the roman matrons dressed. [20:09]
mircea_popescu all her. [20:09]
asciilifeform single-party << usa had this, in multi-muppet mode, for years. [20:17]
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assbot Germany plans tougher controls on would-be jihadists [20:51]
bounce let'em go and never let'em return [20:52]
punkman lulzy [20:53]
assbot UMass police helped keep student's addiction secret - Metro - The Boston Globe [20:53]
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assbot NME News Label to allow retroactive product placement in music videos | NME.COM [20:59]
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punkman "nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it [21:07]
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assbot Harvest for the world: France's army of grape-pickers in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian [21:10]
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assbot The hot new ‘consent’ app, Good2Go, is logging the name and phone number of everyone you have sex with - The Washington Post [21:18]
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assbot /bruces Nobody wants to see Buffet naked. [21:25]
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punkman check out JuliaTourianski spreading the word [21:31]
assbot Do You Want Your Bitcoin Stolen? - YouTube [21:31]
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hanbot punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising [21:38]
hanbot let's leave out the question of whether you should fuck if your decision making relies on a dumbed-down cosmo quiz and pepper the name of the thing with "hot" and "trendy" [21:39]
hanbot all while catering to what insecure users would actually like, which is broadcasting their conquests, real or imagined, to the world. [21:40]
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assbot Can Someone Just Invent an 'I Consent to Sex' iPhone App Already? - Hit & Run : [21:47]
punkman "The legislature is telling state universities to more aggressively involve themselves in their students' sex lives." [21:48]
punkman I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt [21:48]
bounce "help them"? it'll claim the rights and fsck the students. [21:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0007503 = 11.4046 BTC [-] [21:53]
punkman bounce, perfect [21:54]
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hanbot lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. [21:58]
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asciilifeform the 'sex contract' app may be lame - but there's an actual market for solving actual problem there. [22:02]
asciilifeform unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport. [22:03]
asciilifeform there's an interesting set of legal precedents in usa, invalidating any and all concept of sex contract (consent can be withdrawn, e.g., five minutes... 'in' - and thereby, retroactively, if you like, because 'i cancelled five minutes in, in my head, after that it was a rape') etc. [22:05]
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mats_cd03 not just usa. ask mr. assange [22:09]
asciilifeform 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies. [22:10]
hanbot asciilifeform> unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport << which is why using app as palliative is particularly heinous (or particularly attractive depending on user sanity) [22:13]
asciilifeform hanbot: this is reminiscent of the debate regarding whether folks being burned at the stake should or should not get a little sack of gunpowder to wear around their neck [22:14]
asciilifeform hanbot: or whether folks sentenced to sit on a stake should get oiled or not oiled stake. [22:14]
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bounce so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser? [22:16]
asciilifeform bounce: 'if you gotta ask, answer is no' or something like that. [22:16]
asciilifeform (if i had answer, i'd be posting 'best of buenos aires restaurants' photos along with mircea_popescu) [22:17]
hanbot why not the debate regarding whether people drowning in puddles should be given a swat? [22:18]
asciilifeform basic mechanics of escape from a gravity well - and of escape from a country - are very similar, i dare say. you need sufficient energy (usually in the form of hard currency, but can be some unusual substitute like familial, mob, or military 'in [22:19]
asciilifeform ' connections) [22:19]
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asciilifeform problem of escape is also usefully divisible into two distinct sub-problems - how to get out of X, and how to find Y such that you can eat there and avoid whatever it was that you weren't so fond of at X. [22:21]
asciilifeform -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here. [22:23]
hanbot never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik. [22:23]
thickasthieves ;;ticker [22:23]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.04, Best ask: 391.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.96000, Last trade: 391.0, 24 hour volume: 15803.69862757, 24 hour low: 366.0, 24 hour high: 393.8, 24 hour vwap: 378.10556746 [22:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15775 @ 0.00075285 = 11.8762 BTC [+] [22:24]
punkman from over here, it looks to me like half of you wannabe escapees just love murica too much to leave [22:24]
asciilifeform folks who actually want to escape from -everything-... fellate their pistols. a more selective solution - takes finesse and resources. [22:24]
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asciilifeform punkman: i personally don't know anyone in love with the geography. but people do get attached to food, shelter. [22:26]
hanbot -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people << always a bitch. the good kind, tho'. [22:26]
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asciilifeform most people in usa understand that no one, across any ocean, is holding his breath waiting for them. [22:28]
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hanbot food and shelter are a lot easier to acquire when you let go of stuff you don't need. that latter part tends to be harder. [22:33]
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asciilifeform hanbot: if you've the time - elaborate. which things ought people let go of ? [22:33]
asciilifeform hanbot: if you meant luxuries - cars, houses, etc. - americans are having a fine time 'letting go' of these, with a little help from an imploding economy and hungry creditors... [22:36]
hanbot well naturally varies from one person to the next. if there were an omnipotent list it'd effectively remove the likely most widespread item: fear. [22:36]
asciilifeform hanbot: dare i ask, what did you personally let go of. [22:37]
hanbot in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited. [22:42]
hanbot kinda like getting served a bad meal at some restaurant and deciding you're not going there anymore, whether it's the only restaurant in town or not, whether that's where all your friends go, etc. [22:43]
asciilifeform hanbot: with the exception of hereditary peasants, bound to the soil, etc - can't picture who is attached to the 'place' per se [22:44]
asciilifeform hanbot: friends - sure. (though they are still your friends, presumably, over telegraph) [22:45]
hanbot eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them! [22:47]
hanbot and it may not be the place per se, love for a certain avenue or whatnot, but fear of what's left when x certification or y language mastery doesn't matter so much anymore. [22:48]
asciilifeform hanbot: i suspect that it isn't leaving with suitcase that bothers people, but for the most part a rational calculation of whether leaving would in fact give them increased freedom - or not - to do the kind of things they actually want to do. [22:48]
hanbot hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box? [22:50]
asciilifeform hanbot: usually, by the time leaving seems like a good idea regardless, it is far too late. [22:50]
asciilifeform hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space. [22:51]
asciilifeform hanbot: so you stay in. [22:51]
asciilifeform hanbot: possibly try to construct a suit, sure. but not going into vacuum until suit is reasonably airtight. [22:51]
punkman so it's a rationalizing calculation :P [22:51]
asciilifeform punkman: rationalizing << let's have the harsh light of the cold truth, then..? [22:53]
hanbot well if you can and want to use assumptions about the space outside, that works. the problem is those assumptions may well be poor given data collection capabilities from inside the box, and for all you know you're being fed data to make you toil over impossible suits for the purpose of keeping you inside. [22:53]
punkman asciilifeform: what the hell do I know, I'm far away [22:56]
asciilifeform hanbot: i can only speak for myself, really, but i do have a fairly solid picture of what kind of life folks with profession similar to my own live, in various parts of the world, and how much sweat they must sweat, vs. i at my duties, and so forth. [22:56]
asciilifeform i should probably point out that unlike many people i know in usa, i'm generally more interested in aggregate free time than usual luxuries. this gives me a somewhat perverse incentive structure. [22:58]
bounce thou shalt consuuuuuuuuuume [22:58]
asciilifeform happy to consume: food, water, plenty of mains current, the occasional bit of scrap metal. [22:59]
bounce the state religion for domestic consumtion (the pun is mandatory, citizen). the one for export is called "democracy". and the motivation is "let's find us something to make war against" [23:00]
bounce apparently that's all they need to keep ticking. [23:00]
asciilifeform the picture of usa 'ticking' because of some abstract ideal like 'war' or 'consumption' is mistake. rather it's more like the tissues of a corpse that can ferment anaerobically, living on for days or even weeks past burial [23:01]
hanbot asciilifeform well that's cool, gotta work with what you've got and all. if what you've got is profession-dictated structure, then sure, i can see it. it's an uncomfortable thought but at some point it may become necessary to weigh the importance of that structure against the importance of freedom. [23:01]
hanbot which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar? [23:02]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell mats_cd03 I'll prolly have a list soon [23:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:02]
hanbot soft nose ---> sharp metal points repeatedly probably not in his manual [23:03]
bounce the state doesn't seem quite dead yet. crumbling, grasping, but not quite dead yet. [23:03]
asciilifeform hanbot: it isn't really a 'profession structure' in my case. yes, for some people, 'i'm a lawyer and without that i'm nothing, where's my pistol' etc. these folks dropped like flies in '90s russia, say. but i'm more of - 'if i can move across the sea, but have to work as shoemaker in a cellar for 12h day, instead of 'turning the right screw' here in usa, why do i need to buy plane ticket? i can do the shoemaker th [23:04]
xanthyos ;;later tell davidldubuc glad you dug your private key out of that train station dumpster. [23:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:06]
hanbot ah, so not an issue of "can't" then, but of not being worth it? well that's perfectly sound. most people i talk to about leaving the us are on the "can't" wagon. [23:06]
asciilifeform hanbot: technically, anyone who can scrape together the loose change for a plane ticket - and can physically get to airport - 'can.' [23:07]
asciilifeform hanbot: just like the fellow in space capsule, simply can open air lock and see the stars. [23:07]
hanbot yes, but in their own minds. they'll contract flesh-eating muggerbugs or w/e and not be able to find any toilet paper. [23:08]
danielpbarron xanthyos, lol did he really? [23:08]
xanthyos omg danielpbarron is speaking to me [23:09]
xanthyos no, it's a joke that he might [23:09]
xanthyos and only then be able to receive the msg [23:09]
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xanthyos someone on tinychat tried to sell me btc, i set a price 5% under spot and was ready to buy, thesy stlled me out for hours, then said they changed their mind [23:12]
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danielpbarron i don't think the price will go much lower than 380 [23:13]
xanthyos i do, but i'm going long term [23:13]
xanthyos i can afford to go bust, i'm not going all in [23:13]
danielpbarron you should bet on this then [23:15]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November :: 32.73 B (58%) on Yes, 23.94 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 3 days | weight: 24`802 (100`000 to 1) [23:15]
xanthyos haven't heard from stander since opened and had a promised 5 btc freeroll on opening night, then was conveniently ddossed, and promises a 10 btc freeroll that has yet to be scheduled [23:15]
danielpbarron hah! [23:15]
xanthyos basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot [23:15]
hanbot asciilifeform incidentally this has left me wondering what free time is worth if you don't perceive that you're free. if you can still do all you want to do, though, great! [23:16]
BingoBoingo %t [23:16]
atcbot No data returned from [23:16]
asciilifeform hanbot: for me, it's the question of imprisoned now or later. [23:16]
xanthyos so now any future freeroll will be from the rake they've generated and they can promote it without risking any overhead btc [23:16]
xanthyos jsut a theory [23:16]
danielpbarron p.good theory [23:16]
asciilifeform hanbot: if i had to do a conventional 'job', with physical movement and shifts, the kind that actually leaves you tired at the end of a day - that'd be much like prison. [23:17]
asciilifeform hanbot: mircea_popescu was once puzzled why people will break their backs to make pennies 'while they sleep.' i always understood why. [23:18]
danielpbarron i like being tired at the end of the day; it's the all-year-long monotony of "conventional" jobs that I loath [23:18]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: tired is fine when you tired because you were acting on own volition. [23:19]
* danielpbarron nods [23:19]
* hanbot is attempting to sort out the transactional mess here [23:20]
asciilifeform hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time. [23:20]
* bounce was just reading a text about buddhism, from some tibetan guy went and lived in the yoosah. said it was all about freedom. and that it's all in your mind. that's right, freedom in your mind. -- maybe this'll go over better if actually imprisoned in the yoosah, maybe. [23:21]
mod6 %t [23:22]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 24h-Vol: 100k High: 198 Low: 180 VWAP: 192 [23:22]
asciilifeform perhaps also worth noting is that, imho, 'free time' is not only a freedom to act, but having with what to act. hence there is a difference between the free time of prisoner and non-prisoner. [23:25]
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mats_cd03 so lets cut to the chase. do you have a number for your 'fuck you money'? [23:27]
xanthyos !up bagels7 [23:27]
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hanbot so if i'm condensing this correctly, you want time in which to not be told what to do (free time), for which you must pay with an overarching adherence to what you're told to do (living in us)? [23:27]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you. [23:28]
asciilifeform hanbot: naturally, i, and everything alive, would rather have ininite pony and pay with - nothing. but thermodynamics disagrees. [23:29]
xanthyos << neat software [23:31]
thickasthieves limits are liberating [23:31]
thickasthieves if you could do anything anytime, you might do nothing all the time [23:32]
thickasthieves context [23:32]
asciilifeform thickasthieves: arbeit macht frei ? [23:32]
hanbot asciilifeform: indeed. does thermodynamics preclude there being moar options besides submission to big bad or nothing, tho? [23:32]
thickasthieves i wouldnt put it that way ascii, but sure [23:33]
asciilifeform !s cheetah zoo [23:33]
assbot 3 results for 'cheetah zoo' : [23:33]
thickasthieves the problem i have is that i think it's okay to be free enough to do nothing all the time [23:33]
thickasthieves so work specificlaly isnt exactly better, but it is liberating [23:34]
asciilifeform for some people, having a master feels liberating, sure. no disputing this. [23:35]
thickasthieves we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach [23:35]
xanthyos [23:35]
hanbot godspeed freedom cheetah [23:35]
asciilifeform cheetah needs to find hole. or invent bolt-cutters. [23:36]
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asciilifeform notice that 'wait to be lifted' isn't on the list. no one steals a cheetah except to place in another zoo. [23:37]
thickasthieves some cheetahs are used for gene diversification [23:37]
thickasthieves notexactly a zoo, but similar in practice [23:38]
asciilifeform thickasthieves: that would fall under 'other zoo' scenario, no ? [23:38]
thickasthieves in the end yeah, many such conservations even have tours... [23:38]
hanbot did the ELF never steal a cheetah? [23:39]
asciilifeform steal and turn loose in africa, or on city streets ? makes a difference. [23:40]
hanbot eh i guess they didn't (searching turns up some delightful headlines however, incl. "Rx Generic Viagra - The Parrot Liberation Front"). anyway, i suppose he's free to die trying. [23:44]
bounce just dying isn't really allowed, no [23:45]
asciilifeform fortunately, dying trying doesn't cost anything. [23:45]
BingoBoingo mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames [23:50]
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