Forum logs for 28 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

CheckDavid	Could they still be traded accordingly to the business performance somehow?	[00:00]
CheckDavid	Maybe because they are accepted by the company to pay for the products it provides?	[00:00]
thestringpuller	dude you want to publicly trade the shares of something that has no valuation?	[00:01]
thestringpuller	what is going on.	[00:01]
jborkl	or is that not accurate?	[00:01]
benkay	i stay icy hot	[00:01]
benkay	these crackers bengay.	[00:01]
BingoBoingo	jborkl: Yeah, it's been a thing	[00:04]
ThickAsThieves	http://gawker.com/roughly-02-percent-of-published-researchers-reject-glo-1552277388	[00:06]
ozbot	Roughly .02 Percent of Published Researchers Reject Global Warming	[00:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-]	[00:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]	[00:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05539999 = 0.3878 BTC [+]	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04709156 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {4}	[00:09]
TestingUnoDosTre	global warming is distinctly different from human caused global warming, yay or nay?	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 118 @ 0.016 = 1.888 BTC [-]	[00:10]
benkay	pumping co2 into the atmo may change the atmo's composition, yea or nay?	[00:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00093343 = 24.6426 BTC [+] {3}	[00:11]
CheckDavid	thestringpuller: what do you mean by ' I want'?	[00:11]
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TestingUnoDosTre	I most definitely agree	[00:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00093023 = 7.0753 BTC [-]	[00:14]
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TestingUnoDosTre	I remember hearing, as a child, that the atmosphere contained more oxygen when the dinosaurs were around	[00:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5794 @ 0.00092844 = 5.3794 BTC [-]	[00:15]
CheckDavid	thestringpuller: can reformulate the question?	[00:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07101193 = 0.8521 BTC [-] {3}	[00:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18103 @ 0.00093446 = 16.9165 BTC [+] {3}	[00:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00207115 = 0.2071 BTC [+] {6}	[00:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0545996 = 0.546 BTC [-] {3}	[00:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00208029 = 0.1456 BTC [+]	[00:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.6 = 5.4 BTC [-] {4}	[00:34]
toffoo	last wednesday, first late div in 1 year+ from AM	[00:34]
toffoo	this wednesday, first no div week in 1 year+	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5982 BTC [-]	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.598 BTC [-]	[00:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 514 @ 0.00226827 = 1.1659 BTC [+] {8}	[00:36]
benkay	is it over?	[00:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00229999 = 0.2254 BTC [+] {2}	[00:37]
toffoo	well, mining on gen1 hardware appears to be over	[00:38]
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BingoBoingo	.d	[00:41]
ozbot	5.007 billion \| Next Diff in 1547 blocks \| Estimated Change: 9.7941% in 9d 16h 31m 0s	[00:41]
ThickAsThieves	Estimated Next Difficulty: 6,034,851,237 (+20.53%)	[00:42]
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tg2	toffoo - what process size?	[00:42]
toffoo	for what?	[00:42]
tg2	the gen1 mining	[00:43]
benkay	65 probly?	[00:43]
tg2	early BFL?	[00:43]
benkay	asicminer taped their own out, right?	[00:44]
tg2	65nm bfl chips were ~80MH/w	[00:44]
benkay	<-- does not follow mining	[00:44]
tg2	20nm KNC asics are now 2000MH/w	[00:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00204841 = 1.0242 BTC [-] {8}	[00:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 684 @ 0.00201072 = 1.3753 BTC [-] {5}	[00:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 890 @ 0.0020111 = 1.7899 BTC [+] {2}	[00:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0553999 = 0.1108 BTC [+]	[00:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.10144642 = 0.6087 BTC [-]	[00:55]
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xdotcommer	How real is this https://twitter.com/CanarslanEren ?	[00:57]
xdotcommer	first tweet	[00:58]
dexX7	only a prediction/guess	[00:58]
benkay	make a bitbet	[00:59]
jurov	http://news.sciencemag.org/physics/2012/05/return-vacuum-tube	[00:59]
ozbot	Return of the Vacuum Tube \| Science/AAAS \| News	[00:59]
jurov	150nm and 450GHz speed estimate	[00:59]
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jurov	i realized larger version might fullfill asciilifeform's dream to make crypto-capable microelectronics at home	[01:01]
TestingUnoDosTre	looks like the asks are finally being pulled from stamp :( http://coinorama.net/#	[01:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12316 @ 0.0009362 = 11.5302 BTC [+]	[01:08]
jurov	;;ticker	[01:09]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 491.01, Best ask: 491.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.86000, Last trade: 491.87, 24 hour volume: 41831.24132524, 24 hour low: 490.02, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 532.77413212	[01:09]
jurov	D:	[01:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2038 @ 0.00200963 = 4.0956 BTC [-] {13}	[01:10]
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Jackmani_	bitstamp, dafuq?	[01:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2001 @ 0.00190144 = 3.8048 BTC [-] {6}	[01:11]
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TestingUnoDosTre	holy shit	[01:12]
TestingUnoDosTre	anyone wathcing this	[01:12]
TestingUnoDosTre	;;ticker	[01:12]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 485.02, Best ask: 486.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.88000, Last trade: 486.9, 24 hour volume: 42532.89415815, 24 hour low: 480.03, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 532.77413212	[01:12]
Duffer1	quite a dump	[01:12]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[01:13]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 486.75, Best ask: 486.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 486.9, 24 hour volume: 43156.47085889, 24 hour low: 475.0, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 531.343020849	[01:13]
thestringpuller	damn	[01:13]
thestringpuller	free fLl	[01:13]
thestringpuller	fall	[01:13]
Jackmani_	it's so well synchronized between exchanges!	[01:14]
jurov	;;ticker --market all	[01:14]
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gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 480.0, vol: 43253.07140383 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 494.521, vol: 16659.20368 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 483.0, vol: 32456.54064922 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 520.0, vol: 169.04793296 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 482.387854, vol: 13158.04100000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 518.00539, vol: 34.63656625 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 522.082, vol: 257.79703084 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[01:14]
qwebirc633214	I'm staking my claim	[01:14]
only	thefuck....	[01:14]
jurov	;;more	[01:14]
gribble	483.676105447	[01:14]
thestringpuller	;;less	[01:14]
gribble	Error: "less" is not a valid command.	[01:14]
Apocalyptic	dat dump	[01:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1290 @ 0.00186335 = 2.4037 BTC [-] {12}	[01:15]
Jackmani_	dumps like a truck	[01:15]
qwebirc633214	banks probably gonna shut me off	[01:16]
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qwebirc633214	what is ;;more?	[01:16]
jurov	when gribble says (1 more message)	[01:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0009362 = 3.4171 BTC [+]	[01:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 902 @ 0.00161463 = 1.4564 BTC [-] {7}	[01:19]
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CheckDavid	If a company has no investors Or stock holders nagging for profits, does it have any incentive to declare profits?	[01:19]
TestingUnoDosTre	yay, got my name back	[01:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05360385 = 0.4288 BTC [-] {4}	[01:20]
Duffer1	checkdavid ask your local regulators :P	[01:20]
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CheckDavid	Oh	[01:21]
CheckDavid	Duffer1: what do you know about it in general?	[01:21]
Duffer1	not enough to give advice beyond my own personal experiences	[01:21]
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TestingUnoDosTre	My company is privately owned, and it declares profits to employees	[01:22]
TestingUnoDosTre	and by "my" company, I mean the one I work for	[01:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05234836 = 1.5705 BTC [-] {17}	[01:22]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[01:22]
CheckDavid	Profits to employees?	[01:22]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 498.0, Best ask: 498.07, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 500.0, 24 hour volume: 44397.25189776, 24 hour low: 475.0, 24 hour high: 582.06, 24 hour vwap: 530.155015668	[01:22]
CheckDavid	What does that mean?	[01:22]
dexX7	bitcoin is dead.. again?	[01:22]
TestingUnoDosTre	this is the opportunity I've been waiting for... all week	[01:23]
CheckDavid	TestingUnoDosTre ...	[01:23]
TestingUnoDosTre	what does what mean	[01:23]
TestingUnoDosTre	they share the company's profits to the employees	[01:23]
TestingUnoDosTre	they meet like every two months and are like, "hey guys, we grossed XX millions of dollars, but were expecting YY millions"	[01:24]
CheckDavid	That's because there is a profit sharing plan right?	[01:24]
jurov	there's a dilberts comics that explains it clearly	[01:24]
jurov	or several	[01:24]
CheckDavid	Well.	[01:24]
Duffer1	could also just be for moral or team building hr bullshit	[01:24]
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TestingUnoDosTre	They give bonuses that are related to the profits, if that's what you call a "profit sharing" plan	[01:25]
Duffer1	we're all building this together kinda nonsense	[01:25]
CheckDavid	But is that considered a cost to the company or is it real taxable profits?	[01:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1110 @ 0.00155 = 1.7205 BTC [-]	[01:25]
CheckDavid	Ahhhh	[01:25]
CheckDavid	Bonuses	[01:25]
CheckDavid	Performance bonuses	[01:25]
CheckDavid	Right?	[01:25]
TestingUnoDosTre	Sure	[01:26]
TestingUnoDosTre	but it's only a function of company performance and personal salary	[01:26]
CheckDavid	I think that's different	[01:26]
TestingUnoDosTre	not your own personal performance	[01:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.0009362 = 8.9257 BTC [+]	[01:26]
CheckDavid	Because then the company declares those 'profits' as costs	[01:26]
CheckDavid	So they ate	[01:26]
CheckDavid	*are	[01:26]
CheckDavid	Never real profits	[01:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.595 = 1.19 BTC [-] {2}	[01:27]
CheckDavid	So my question stands.	[01:28]
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CheckDavid	Is there ever an incentive to def	[01:28]
CheckDavid	*declare profits?	[01:28]
TestingUnoDosTre	sure but at least they have a history of declaration	[01:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.0017006 = 0.6666 BTC [+] {6}	[01:29]
TestingUnoDosTre	somebody needs to close this... I've got a very minor stake involved http://bitbet.us/bet/793/bitcoin-to-drop-under-500-before-may/	[01:30]
CheckDavid	But those profits are not taxed as normal profits	[01:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00193713 = 0.1879 BTC [+] {3}	[01:30]
dexX7	TestingUnoDosTre: don't worry. if you won, you won.	[01:31]
TestingUnoDosTre	I'm not worried, I'm just scroogin'	[01:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.590001 = 1.77 BTC [-]	[01:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]	[01:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58842001 = 2.3537 BTC [-] {2}	[01:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00199999 = 0.15 BTC [-]	[01:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00584193 = 0.3622 BTC [-] {2}	[01:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3300 @ 0.00008482 = 0.2799 BTC [-] {6}	[01:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.005741 = 0.31 BTC [-] {4}	[01:41]
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dexX7	/ignore assbot	[01:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [+]	[01:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0021 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}	[01:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.002 = 0.126 BTC [-] {5}	[01:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00214124 = 0.2569 BTC [+] {5}	[01:51]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00092844 = 1.1141 BTC [-]	[01:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @ 0.00093393 = 11.0615 BTC [+] {2}	[01:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 304 @ 0.00218017 = 0.6628 BTC [+] {7}	[01:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58822668 = 1.7647 BTC [-]	[01:53]
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moiety	jesus bitcoin e's now? nice encouragement of dogepills too - "Wow. So drugs. Very fucked." wtf	[01:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 398 @ 0.00219167 = 0.8723 BTC [+] {4}	[01:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+]	[01:54]
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kakobrekla	Array	[01:58]
kakobrekla	(	[01:58]
kakobrekla	[mircea_popescu] => 11586	[01:58]
kakobrekla	[assbot] => 7024	[01:58]
kakobrekla	[ThickAsThieves] => 3558	[01:58]
kakobrekla	[asciilifeform] => 3306	[01:58]
kakobrekla	[benkay] => 2682	[01:58]
kakobrekla	lines in 30 days. mp outspams assbot.	[01:59]
mike_c	i'm oddly fascinated. full list?	[02:00]
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mike_c	80 lines a day, not bad benkay.	[02:01]
dexX7	haha awesome and kinda unexpected	[02:03]
kakobrekla	http://dpaste.com/1760293/plain/	[02:03]
mike_c	400 lines a day, plus trilema. and people think he has sock puppets too. more likely there are 3 people typing as mp :)	[02:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.00239999 = 0.78 BTC [+] {2}	[02:04]
kakobrekla	this is last 30 days	[02:04]
mike_c	aww, not even top 20.	[02:04]
mike_c	who knew ascii talked so much?	[02:05]
joecool	lawl	[02:05]
pankkake	mp copies and pastes a lot	[02:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00093403 = 4.6234 BTC [+]	[02:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00238499 = 0.7155 BTC [-] {2}	[02:12]
tg2	http://i.imgur.com/dYDrQPg.png	[02:12]
tg2	can has entropy	[02:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+]	[02:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 367 @ 0.0024112 = 0.8849 BTC [+] {4}	[02:18]
Apocalyptic	tg2, wait	[02:18]
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Apocalyptic	you're using /dev/urandom as a source of entropy ?	[02:18]
Apocalyptic	given /dev/urandom is already using /dev/random as one	[02:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00242963 = 1.0933 BTC [+] {2}	[02:19]
pankkake	rngd feeds /dev/random with /dev/urandom basically	[02:19]
tg2	Rngd uses more entropy points	[02:19]
Apocalyptic	am I the only one who finds that utterly wrong ?	[02:19]
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Apocalyptic	it's like an entropy feedback loop	[02:19]
tg2	And fills it into urandom	[02:19]
Apocalyptic	The -r or --rng-device options can be used to select an alternate source of input	[02:20]
pankkake	it's not that simple but yes you really should use better sources	[02:20]
tg2	ofc	[02:20]
Apocalyptic	Rngd uses more entropy points // not in your case	[02:20]
pankkake	try haveged as I said earlier	[02:20]
kakobrekla	http://dpaste.com/1760322/plain/	[02:20]
tg2	Pankkake thx I'll check it out	[02:21]
kakobrekla	mike_c you get top10 on some days :)	[02:21]
pankkake	http://pisg.sourceforge.net/ btw	[02:21]
ozbot	pisg - Perl IRC Statistics Generator :: Home	[02:21]
mike_c	slow and steady gets you somewhere hopefully	[02:22]
kakobrekla	pankkake but my logs are nonstandard	[02:22]
kakobrekla	i would have to fiddle with it anyway.	[02:23]
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tg2	Probably trivial to build a definition	[02:24]
pankkake	the lazyest version would probably be to output the logs to a recognized format	[02:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00242994 = 0.2187 BTC [-] {2}	[02:29]
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tg2	http://www.androidauthority.com/dogecoin-mining-android-apps-362142/	[02:41]
ozbot	Researches find Android apps that covertly mine Dogecoin, one of them with more than a million downl	[02:41]
tg2	:)	[02:41]
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benkay	what, asciilifeform generates more -assets lines than me?	[02:41]
benkay	psh.	[02:41]
benkay	ninjashogun lol	[02:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0478 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2}	[02:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00093361 = 16.2915 BTC [-]	[02:47]
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tg2	Not even using gpus, what is this amateur hour?	[02:48]
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MisterE	morning	[02:56]
MisterE	BTC in the shitter, LTC on the operating table but it;s spring in Crimea :)	[02:56]
pankkake	meanwhile ATC up 50%	[02:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10279 @ 0.00093391 = 9.5997 BTC [+]	[02:56]
MisterE	lol realy	[02:56]
MisterE	wow	[02:57]
MisterE	much profits	[02:57]
Apocalyptic	dat ATC pump	[02:58]
moiety	lolol kakobrekla mine isn't as bad as i thought it would be in that lines list XD	[02:58]
kakobrekla	yea not bad	[02:59]
moiety	asciilifeform: did you see MOTD? someone on reddit did it after i posted to photoshopbattles lol	[02:59]
MisterE	" Russian Bear Rising - After swallowing Crimea, Putin’s emboldened regime looks for more prey "	[02:59]
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MisterE	^ wow, such FUD	[03:00]
Apocalyptic	MisterE, what's that headline ?	[03:01]
MisterE	yea	[03:01]
MisterE	http://www.front-lines.com/2014/03/russian-bear-rising-after-swallowing.html	[03:01]
ozbot	front lines: Russian Bear Rising - After swallowing Crimea, Putin’s emboldened regime looks for mo	[03:01]
davout	!t m x.eur	[03:02]
assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)	[03:02]
moiety	anyone seesn these? http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/27/can-you-crack-these-mysterious-codes-found-at-a-canadian-university-4680361/?ITO=facebook	[03:05]
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tg2	Ikea commercial	[03:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00244489 = 0.6112 BTC [+]	[03:15]
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Apocalyptic	moiety, $100 reward ? seriously ?	[03:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00244489 = 0.4645 BTC [+]	[03:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00093347 = 9.428 BTC [-] {2}	[03:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 784 @ 0.00244489 = 1.9168 BTC [+] {3}	[03:18]
moiety	Apocalyptic: sounds even wors here >> £54.16 lol	[03:18]
moiety	it will be a shopping list in hoax form	[03:19]
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BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av-biQ6rhqE	[03:37]
ozbot	Very angry kitty at the Zoo. - YouTube	[03:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00093259 = 15.108 BTC [-]	[03:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00093391 = 11.7533 BTC [+]	[03:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00230371 = 0.3985 BTC [-] {6}	[03:43]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00600002 = 0.114 BTC [-]	[03:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00231029 = 0.2172 BTC [+] {3}	[03:51]
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MisterE	those the lions they killed?	[04:01]
MisterE	that zoo should rename itself The Butchery	[04:01]
MisterE	srsly though they were following good practice	[04:01]
MisterE	just americans hide that stuff behind closed doors	[04:02]
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PANIC_SELL_NOW	price dropping like a rock, bitcoin banned in china	[04:03]
copumpkin	FUD-spreader	[04:04]
PANIC_SELL_NOW	no point in denying the truth, bitcoin is banned in china, the chinese brought us from $250 to $1000. and we'll go right back down to $250	[04:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20245 @ 0.0009317 = 18.8623 BTC [-] {2}	[04:05]
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MisterE	not even legit FUD	[04:06]
MisterE	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-27/pboc-orders-banks-to-shut-bitcoin-exchange-accounts-caixin-says.html	[04:07]
ozbot	Bitcoin Prices Plunge on Report PBOC Orders Accounts Shut - Bloomberg	[04:07]
Apocalyptic	$250 is fine for me	[04:07]
MisterE	at 250 I'll take cash from the CCs	[04:08]
MisterE	to buy in	[04:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00093391 = 6.8642 BTC [+]	[04:11]
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noCHINA	did MPEX ever end up giving the SEC satoshidice info?	[04:11]
tg2	Not likely	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	No	[04:12]
tg2	We're the investors in satdice even linked to anything materially? Wasn't it all crypto?	[04:13]
Duffer1	there may be an ongoing discussion we're not aware of though	[04:13]
noCHINA	back under $500.... down we go	[04:13]
benkay	webchat lol	[04:13]
benkay	who are you, noCHINA ?	[04:13]
tg2	Gpg up heathen	[04:14]
noCHINA	no CHINA allowed.	[04:14]
Duffer1	tg2 i believe they're just interested in vorhees, not necessarily investors	[04:14]
noCHINA	no bitcoin in CHINA allowed	[04:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1760 @ 0.00093119 = 1.6389 BTC [-]	[04:14]
Apocalyptic	cool story bro	[04:14]
noCHINA	i lost 50 BTC today on bitfinex because of china. so no china allowed from now on	[04:14]
Apocalyptic	bitfinex is scam, you know that	[04:15]
tg2	0x31FAA963C3333333.sec.gpg	[04:15]
kakobrekla	who the fuck are all these kids	[04:15]
tg2	Can you migrate wot identity to a new key if you sign it with the old?	[04:15]
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Apocalyptic	tg2, you can	[04:15]
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Duffer1	just set a new key ya	[04:15]
benkay	tg2: for a technical dude you sure don't in2 research	[04:15]
tg2	Yah cause I built wot	[04:16]
tg2	I'm a big proponent you know	[04:16]
benkay	kinda irrelevant	[04:16]
tg2	Check my rating	[04:16]
Mats_cd03	have you two been trolling each other for hours	[04:17]
tg2	No I was actually working today	[04:17]
benkay	ditto	[04:17]
MisterE	tg2: you're never going to register with gpg and you know it :p	[04:17]
Duffer1	;;gpg info tg2	[04:17]
gribble	User 'tg2', with keyid 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None, registered on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014, last authed on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=tg2 . Currently authenticated from hostmask tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35 .	[04:17]
MisterE	whoa	[04:18]
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benkay	anyone running a pool on how long it takes tg2 to get rated by someone we know?	[04:18]
tg2	Put it on bitbet	[04:18]
tg2	I'll bet against it	[04:18]
benkay	badbet doesn't work	[04:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00093032 = 6.8379 BTC [-]	[04:19]
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benkay	mpoe over 90k all of a sudden	[04:19]
benkay	;;ticker	[04:19]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 494.55, Best ask: 497.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.45000, Last trade: 497.0, 24 hour volume: 54285.48238278, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 571.5, 24 hour vwap: 520.280688897	[04:19]
benkay	funny how that works	[04:19]
Duffer1	are options trading again?	[04:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25569 @ 0.00093003 = 23.7799 BTC [-] {2}	[04:20]
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tg2	Dem fireworks	[04:21]
tg2	one fud article about China	[04:21]
tg2	btc on sale	[04:21]
Duffer1	;;gpg eauth Duffer1	[04:21]
gribble	Request successful for user Duffer1, hostmask Duffer1!~chatzilla@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/D5B0A00741A54A60	[04:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25917 @ 0.00093069 = 24.1207 BTC [+] {2}	[04:22]
Duffer1	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ff6180ec615df6b5ca3a3db746b31eab308de699c0a301f6b3bf22ef	[04:22]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user Duffer1 with key D5B0A00741A54A60	[04:22]
Duffer1	"This user has not authenticated for more than 104 days. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you are probably talking to an impostor and scammer." hehe	[04:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00093391 = 6.3506 BTC [+]	[04:24]
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tg2	I rekon I could get a key id with 10 characters the same	[04:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00230673 = 1.1534 BTC [-] {5}	[04:28]
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MisterE	LAWL: fiat vs. fiat: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/walmart-sues-visa-for-5-billion-for-rigging-card-fees/articleshow/32822191.cms	[04:32]
MisterE	http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26780821	[04:33]
ozbot	BBC News - Wal-Mart sues Visa for fixing price of credit card fees	[04:33]
Duffer1	i don't see why they even need to sue	[04:33]
Duffer1	they could simply stop accepting visa	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 because they want to make money.	[04:35]
MisterE	not accepting visa would be a death sentence for most retailers	[04:37]
MisterE	its what enables debit cards to work	[04:37]
MisterE	for those without credit	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	ae worked on exclusive deals with many retailers for ages.	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	mc tried something similar with much less success about once a decade since the 80s	[04:37]
kakobrekla	anyway, for now	[04:38]
kakobrekla	http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com	[04:38]
kakobrekla	this is what you get.	[04:38]
kakobrekla	nothing shocking	[04:38]
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MisterE	but if you dont have a credit card and only a bank account with a debit card the visa system is what allows you to use it to make purchases	[04:39]
MisterE	and thats how 90% of America shops	[04:39]
MisterE	that or credit	[04:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20925 @ 0.00093408 = 19.5456 BTC [+] {3}	[04:40]
BingoBoingo	http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/03/what-is-bitcoin/	[04:40]
ozbot	The Fierce Battle for the Soul of Bitcoin \| Wired Enterprise \| Wired.com	[04:40]
asciilifeform	with obligatory 3d coins.	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	MisterE perhaps 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.	[04:41]
chetty	http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/26/biometrics-the-good-and-bad	[04:42]
ozbot	Get ready to have your biometrics tracked 24/7 (Wired UK)	[04:42]
MisterE	maybe that was but it's the vast majority	[04:42]
MisterE	everyone shops int he US with plastic	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	plastic != visa electron prepaid "i'm poor" cards.	[04:44]
MisterE	these aren't prepaid electron cards	[04:44]
MisterE	these are bank issued debit cards with the visa logo	[04:44]
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MisterE	that makes them able to be used for purchases at most major retailers	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	o look at that, wired article about "the soul of bitcoin", in terms of "two schmucks no one heard of or cares about"	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 you gonna apply for that eurasia job ? :D	[04:46]
MisterE	also it is your bank ATM card	[04:46]
MisterE	don't you have an equivalent in Europe?	[04:46]
MisterE	hell even backwards Thailand has it	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	_aeon loud who ?	[04:47]
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mircea_popescu	TestingUnoDosTre subkeys you generate off a main key aren't more anonymous than the main key.	[04:48]
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MisterE	use of credit and debit cards, that use the visa network, for shopping is prolific in the US and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide. <- Are you arguing against that statement mircea_popescu ?	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[04:53]
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MisterE	on what basis?	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	i'm even arguing against your counting ability, that's about five statements right there.	[04:53]
chetty	MisterE, people just dont use plastic much here	[04:53]
MisterE	where is here? I'm talking about the US	[04:54]
MisterE	here in Thailand it's much less as well.	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	http://www.forbes.com/sites/tjmccue/2013/08/16/why-dont-more-small-businesses-accept-credit-cards/	[04:54]
ozbot	Why Don't More Small Businesses Accept Credit Cards - Forbes	[04:54]
noCHINA	orderbook thinning out... 1000 BTC moves price $40 now	[04:54]
Duffer1	what would happen to retailers if the debit card ceased to exist?	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	"Credit and debit cards are nearly as common as cash. "	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	nearly as common means, of course, NOT AS COMMON.	[04:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00093265 = 22.6634 BTC [-] {2}	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	"But data from Intuit shows that 55 percent of the nation’s 27 million small businesses do not accept credit cards."	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	55% means, of course, a majority.	[04:55]
MisterE	we're not talkign about small retailers / mom & pop restaurants	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	and credit cards does not mean "visa"	[04:55]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 528.97, vol: 54883.57384786 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 523.999, vol: 24612.3518 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 48075.95147316 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 539.4, vol: 302.41934332 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 505.82175, vol: 12461.19300000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 538.28324, vol: 45.71503217 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 529.143997251, vol: 355.19673065 \| Volume-weighted last (1 more message)	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[04:55]
gribble	average: 526.428775509	[04:55]
MisterE	wallmart was the example	[04:55]
noCHINA	Visa should just drop teh minimum per-swipe charge and go straight %. they'd make more	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	credit cards means american express, visa and mastercard, in that order.	[04:55]
noCHINA	walmart suing VISA for $5 billion	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	of which total visa is maybe 20%	[04:55]
MisterE	yes at mom & pop stores where you spend $10 you pay cash	[04:55]
asciilifeform	'debit' card, at least the u.s. variety, has considerably weaker legal fraud protections than the 'credit' card.	[04:55]
MisterE	when you go to a supermarket and stock up for the week you use a card	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	MisterE unless you're one of the govt poor using the govt's own plastic, which is neither visa nor mc etc.	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	so in general : i understand you're living your own life. you'll have to understand your own life is irrelevant.	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	the market is a larger thing.	[04:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0009347 = 12.7119 BTC [+]	[04:56]
MisterE	you're making assumptions that I;m extrapolating what I do to others	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	" we're not talkign about small retailers" / " and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide"	[04:57]
MisterE	I've lived out of the US for 8-years but even before I left cash usage at large retailers was hard to find	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	no, i'm just telling you you're being an idiot.	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	stop it, read what you're saying before i do.	[04:57]
asciilifeform	might be a geographic thing	[04:58]
MisterE	yes any large retailer who told you you can't pay your $100 bull with plastic would be done	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	and you know this on the basis of because what.	[04:58]
MisterE	because of personal experience, obbviously you have nbot spent much time shopping in rural america at the likes of WlaMart and safeway	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	right.	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	the place for this sort of nonsense is reddit.	[04:59]
MisterE	I'm not sure if your forbes includes debit cards	[04:59]
MisterE	ok it does	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	noCHINA yeah was a link earlier.	[05:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07002031 = 0.2101 BTC [-]	[05:02]
MisterE	I have to admit I'm very surprised by the stats in the forbes article	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	they're not even right, they overstate plastic acceptance.	[05:05]
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noCHINA	just when you thought bad news was finished for bitcoin -- there is more	[05:06]
noCHINA	china ban, then gox crash, then china ban #2, then IRS,	[05:06]
noCHINA	its like the good news doesn't factor in at all	[05:06]
TestingUnoDosTre	it's like bad news doesn't factor at all	[05:07]
TestingUnoDosTre	and it's more like someone who wanted/needed to get rid of coins	[05:07]
TestingUnoDosTre	seriously. China ban news was released, and bitcoin held at 580	[05:07]
MisterE	yea this last dump, if you can even call it that, was manipulation for sure	[05:07]
noCHINA	TestingUnoDosTre: 50,000 BTC sold today-- thats on china news	[05:08]
noCHINA	its not a co-incidence	[05:08]
TestingUnoDosTre	that's baloney	[05:08]
tg2	That's convenient that 50k were sold and none bought :')	[05:08]
BingoBoingo	Why is a Canadian so worried about China anyways	[05:08]
TestingUnoDosTre	I don't care how many btc were sold today. China news was basically the same shit that was said before, and it was released like 12 hours or more before the MINI crash	[05:10]
MisterE	still MP that is 55% of small businesses. when I said not taking visa would be a death sentence I was talking about large retailers like Walmart or Safeway. I'm sure CC acceptance and usage is much higher there and it would be a death sentence for them.	[05:10]
noCHINA	there is no such thing as 'manipulation' -- there are only bids and asks ... they're either filled or not	[05:11]
MisterE	I cant google up just what % of purchases at large retailers are made with cc	[05:11]
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TestingUnoDosTre	I never said manipulation. I agree with your statement. Where I disagree is when you claimed that this had to do with some news that was released.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	noCHINA it's rare that news actually has any sort of impact on bitcoin prices. people generally like to see patters, but i've seen hundreds of such claims and they were never right.	[05:14]
noCHINA	patterns are nonsense -- its individual whales who move markets, not some lines on a chart	[05:15]
MisterE	they might have leaked a rumor before starting to dump	[05:15]
noCHINA	TestingUnoDosTre: large whales who want to cash out see 'bad china news' and decide to do it quickly	[05:15]
MisterE	then pulled back to scoop up after a drop, thats manipulation	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	MisterE if any large retailer decides to stop taking a card it's more like a death sentence to the card than to the retailer.	[05:16]
kow	what kind of whales, like blue whales?	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	people won't drive an extra gallon of gas just to use random plasic bit X	[05:16]
kow	or fin whales?	[05:16]
TestingUnoDosTre	lol	[05:16]
noCHINA	no its not -- thats just the free market operating... its up to the stupid public to decide if a rumor is real or not before panic selling	[05:16]
kow	the humpback whale	[05:16]
TestingUnoDosTre	I've been buying all day, and loved it	[05:16]
TestingUnoDosTre	hope it crashes again tomorrow	[05:16]
noCHINA	if insider trading was legal we'd have much more transparent markets	[05:16]
noCHINA	prices would reflect true value at all times	[05:17]
TestingUnoDosTre	don't quote me on that	[05:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00093604 = 26.6771 BTC [+] {4}	[05:18]
TestingUnoDosTre	what ridiculousness	[05:18]
TestingUnoDosTre	what type of insider trading do you think occurred	[05:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.00227755 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {6}	[05:19]
chetty	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bjx6dT8CEAAPi6K.jpg	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/CRXqxpK.gif	[05:19]
TestingUnoDosTre	squeeze bacon and lovable dogs? wtf	[05:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 675 @ 0.00220088 = 1.4856 BTC [-] {2}	[05:23]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10737 @ 0.00093101 = 9.9963 BTC [-] {2}	[05:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00217 = 0.3277 BTC [-] {2}	[05:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0060016 = 0.114 BTC [+]	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/76ers-lose-26-consecutive-games-are-impressively-dedic-1553379598	[05:29]
ozbot	76ers Lose 26 Straight Games, Are Impressively Dedicated To Sucking	[05:29]
noCHINA	is that squeeze bacon shit real?	[05:29]
noCHINA	looks insanely awesome in a not awesome way	[05:29]
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moiety	BingoBoingo: that one (youtube link) just totally wanted to rip the camera person's face off didnt it?! i think they are known to scalp people	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[05:33]
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moiety	i thought i sensed cute, that gif is epic mircea_popescu	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	:D	[05:34]
moiety	MisterE: re the lions, i looked into it because i hadn't heard about it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26356099	[05:35]
moiety	the dogs head is begger than the whole pup!	[05:35]
moiety	bigger*	[05:35]
MisterE	yea nothing irregular about it	[05:35]
moiety	its awful D:	[05:36]
moiety	i have an animal realted story i cant read because im too scraed to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock?	[05:37]
moiety	lets try that again shall we? : i have an animal related story i cant read because im too scared to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock?	[05:37]
chetty	http://fox59.com/2014/03/26/family-claims-hacker-taking-control-of-cable-box-sending-threatening-messages/#ixzz2xA6VAuAf	[05:40]
ozbot	Family claims hacker taking control of cable box, sending threats \| Fox 59 News – fox59.com	[05:40]
MisterE	well we're breeding animals in captivity better now so have "surplus"	[05:40]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2014/vanitas/	[05:47]
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mircea_popescu	the20year3 businesses where the big barrier to entry is capital actually are very poor businesses (in that surpluss capacity can be and usually is created on the spot - or in other words, because they have no moats). buffett expounds on this in his 1983 letter if memory serves.	[05:52]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid what start-ups specifically.	[05:53]
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mircea_popescu	uh i c.	[05:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11554 @ 0.00093672 = 10.8229 BTC [+] {2}	[05:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5901 = 1.1802 BTC [+] {2}	[05:54]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell benkay lmao nice find.	[05:55]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[05:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00604755 = 0.514 BTC [+] {2}	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	the20year3 so if the claim is that rent is trading under book, why not buy back shares ? and moreover, is the book value reported anywhere in any sense ?	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	xdotcomm_: benkay: how come exchanges /etc are not using this https://gpgauth.org/ << because why would anyone sane give their keys away to some website ? might as well ask why no serious bloggers are ujsing disqus.	[06:04]
xdotcomm_	mircea_popescu: i thought it was comporable to irc-bot	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	the20year3 this "enough of our shareholders complain" tack is bollocks. i complain, and i'll have your head for it, plain and simple.	[06:05]
kakobrekla	nice job outspamming assbot (see below charts) http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com	[06:06]
kakobrekla	lets see who gets tired first	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	xdotcomm_ how can it be comparable tho ? i mean... gribble actually ads functionality.	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	separating a website in two websites doesn't really.	[06:06]
kakobrekla	ah i forgot to mention MP re outspamming	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	cazalla that's actually an excellent q, hope you get some answer.	[06:07]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla waitwut ?	[06:07]
kakobrekla	yeah.	[06:07]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That's about the sentiment I've been coming to have about my plot coupons.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo thought you'd appreciate that.	[06:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]	[06:09]
kakobrekla	you have beaten assbot per last 7 days and per last 30 days mirea.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel: why would anybody consult the public? << maybe the public is topless and looks good on its back ?	[06:09]
kakobrekla	mircea.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla haha! do a 2013 one ?	[06:09]
kakobrekla	goddamn kebroad.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	lmao que broad!	[06:09]
kakobrekla	maybe, now its rolling 12 months	[06:09]
kakobrekla	i dont have that much history or smth	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	o yeah, got started in april huh	[06:11]
kakobrekla	im getting outtyped	[06:11]
kakobrekla	number 5 on 12 month, number 9 on 30 days and 24 on weekly	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014#587452 he managed to put an empty string in	[06:12]
kakobrekla	that bastard	[06:12]
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kakobrekla	mircea_popescu but it was an empty line	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	Is this still an issue...	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	his client sucks ? i can't send empty lines	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	i didn't even know irc allowed empty lines.	[06:13]
kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/2o/Tv/2TtdEkf5/benkay.png	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	Oh, ellipses don't hide text in the logs that come out of assbot no more	[06:14]
kakobrekla	now stop busting my balls and go fix your css	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that's funny, because 99.999% of published researchers live off grants given by the people who want global warming to be a rthing.	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	my css is fine in that it doesn't exist.	[06:15]
BingoBoingo		[06:15]
kakobrekla	yes its possible to send empty lines but my altgr on mah keyboard is broken	[06:15]
kakobrekla	que broad i mean	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	aok	[06:16]
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mircea_popescu	$ticker h neobee	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	!ticker h neobee	[06:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00155000 / 0.00209392 / 0.00279899 (50471 shares, 105.68201148 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00269506 / 0.00415500 (131383 shares, 354.08461268 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00387846 / 0.00600000 (562136 shares, 2180.22469375 BTC)	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	i guess the 25 people gave up too.	[06:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 669 @ 0.00243989 = 1.6323 BTC [+] {3}	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	llticker	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[06:17]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 501.79, Best ask: 506.47, Bid-ask spread: 4.68000, Last trade: 501.13, 24 hour volume: 55293.10877297, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 571.5, 24 hour vwap: 517.259175662	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	wait wasn't it supposed to have dumped etc.	[06:17]
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mircea_popescu	these logs i'm reading are delayed or something ;/	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	whoa look at that! i wrote more this past month than the next 4 people bombined ?!	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla pls to redirect b-a donations address to trilema kthx	[06:19]
lnovy	c-c-c-c-ombo breaker	[06:19]
VanCleef	neobee got hammered	[06:19]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu no can do, hackers control donations	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	mike_c there's only me posting as me. however, there's multiple people working on feeding me data and other predigested strings.	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lol good one.	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	mike_c oldest trick in the book, every talking head on the tv screen has a little speaker in his ear thing. course, my backup is slightly better than what tv stations can afford, but still.	[06:21]
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mircea_popescu	moiety http://i.imgur.com/WrIzsNQ.gif	[06:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00243989 = 2.4399 BTC [+] {2}	[06:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00093704 = 22.3016 BTC [+] {2}	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	o look, 200 lines in the past coupla hours. poor people trying to read the chan.	[06:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00093194 = 15.144 BTC [-]	[06:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00093141 = 22.5401 BTC [-] {2}	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	Florida Man: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/tampa-tailgater-caught-on-video-then-for-real/2172272	[06:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00093721 = 14.0113 BTC [+] {2}	[06:39]
BingoBoingo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=540216.msg5940098#msg5940098	[06:42]
ozbot	Want to edit the wiki without paying a fee? Read this.	[06:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05339959 = 0.267 BTC [+] {3}	[06:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05432307 = 0.7062 BTC [+] {4}	[06:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4636 @ 0.00093724 = 4.345 BTC [+]	[06:49]
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Mats_cd03	meow	[06:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00093904 = 11.9728 BTC [+]	[06:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]	[06:54]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: RE your next mention of Chicago http://deadspin.com/chicago-sports-radio-host-shits-in-the-studio-flees-th-1553315358	[06:56]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[06:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.006099 = 0.122 BTC [+]	[06:59]
TestingUnoDosTre	o shit we are back on global warming	[07:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00093871 = 7.5097 BTC [-]	[07:01]
copumpkin	I turned the heat up again	[07:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.599998 BTC [+]	[07:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 177 @ 0.00240999 = 0.4266 BTC [+] {2}	[07:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.006099 = 0.1159 BTC [+]	[07:04]
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ThickAsThieves	http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com /// neat! i didnt realize i was such a blabber	[07:07]
kakobrekla	:)	[07:08]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete what's that about ?	[13:55]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	VanCleef yes you do get it back.	[13:55]
VanCleef	cool thanks	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	bocobit i read a study that 80% of studies are pure bullshit.	[13:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00241797 = 0.4183 BTC [+] {3}	[14:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5952 = 1.1904 BTC [+]	[14:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.00241797 = 0.544 BTC [-] {2}	[14:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5951 = 1.1902 BTC [-]	[14:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00241797 = 0.1886 BTC [-]	[14:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0024178 = 0.1934 BTC [-]	[14:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00093213 = 8.529 BTC [-]	[14:36]
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artifexd	;;rate bitcoinpete 1 Did exactly what he said he would do without delay	[15:14]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/files/2014/03/yPov2-6edb31ce078c1af783908af751887467.gif	[15:20]
artifexd	ThickAsThieves Have you heard from Danny lately? Is he ok?	[15:21]
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Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537527.0	[15:31]
ozbot	Looking for investment of ~2500 BTC for music festival, return = ~150,000 BTC	[15:31]
Duffer1	haven't seen a scam like that before	[15:31]
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Duffer1	"In 1.5 months of marketing we grew our Facebook page to 9,500 likes with an average unboosted reach of 2,300 people per post"	[15:34]
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CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: hi	[15:37]
CheckDavid	3:53:57 AM mircea_popescu CheckDavid what start-ups specifically. <- you mean to ask which startup specifically I was considering fundraising for?	[15:38]
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mircea_popescu	CheckDavid yeah but meanwhile my q was answered reading the log.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	listen, the larger part of raising funds is the trust you command.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/la-firma/ < see that thing	[15:50]
ozbot	La firma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:50]
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CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: yes correct. But then one also needs a framework/platform to market my trust	[15:54]
CheckDavid	If that made sense	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	that'd be the wot, this channel and so forth.	[15:54]
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CheckDavid	I see. But also a model on what to give in return for funding	[15:55]
CheckDavid	Be it equity or something else	[15:55]
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mircea_popescu	it'd be equity.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	this is a long solved problem, really.	[15:56]
Duffer1	you don't necessarily need a platform for that, unless you wanted your investors to be able to exchange quickly	[15:56]
CheckDavid	Someone made me consist ways to fund without equity dilution	[15:56]
CheckDavid	*consider	[15:56]
CheckDavid	Crowd funding is one way people have used to fund without equity distribution	[15:57]
Duffer1	do you have a product capable of attracting that kind of funding?	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	that's in no way related to funding.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	there's business and then there's nonsense. i'm sure some kids somewhere are playing with money, but that has no bearing on business.	[15:59]
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CheckDavid	I see. So your take is that equity must be allocated to the investors right?	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[16:01]
CheckDavid	Duffer1: no. Not yet at least	[16:01]
chetty	Crossword puzzles in a local Venezuelan newspaper are calling readers to violent protests with conspiratorial messages, the country’s information minister said today.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	you can either take investment, which is a distribution of equity no matter how you disgusie it, from bfl-style to any other style,	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	or else you can take a loan, which is a loan.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	that's it.	[16:02]
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CheckDavid	Can this loan depend on the business performance alone?	[16:02]
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CheckDavid	Or would it have to be a personal loan in some way as well?	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	no. a loan has no relation to the business performance, a loan is predicated on the credibility of the underwriter.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	equity is related to the business performance.	[16:06]
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CheckDavid	I see.	[16:09]
CheckDavid	You are a very traditional business guy.	[16:10]
CheckDavid	You are the Warren Buffett of btc lol	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	you know, gravity didn't change direction since it was invented.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	even if female dress and hairdo changed significnatly, and quite cyclically.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	some things never change.	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears.	[16:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.0001179 = 0.1179 BTC [+] {2}	[16:13]
CheckDavid	Do you intend to say one should always short women?	[16:13]
CheckDavid	I very much appreciate the stock tip kind sir	[16:13]
pankkake	!b 6	[16:14]
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pankkake	lessons learned: SATA is shit, NCQ is shit, XFS is shit, GPU fans are shit	[16:15]
pankkake	…but I should finally be back	[16:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00093573 = 24.984 BTC [-] {2}	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	wb!	[16:17]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: can u give me a car pliz? And a 3d printer tnx	[16:17]
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pankkake	just print your car	[16:17]
CheckDavid	Haha	[16:18]
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bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu benkay and artifexd were generous enough to lend me a few satoshis a week ago, which i duly repaid with interest today so as to learn that variety speak :D	[16:22]
bitcoinpete	artifexd ty!	[16:22]
artifexd	np	[16:23]
bitcoinpete	artifexd noob question: do i rate you as well?	[16:23]
artifexd	That is up to you.	[16:24]
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Duffer1	you can rate anyone for anything	[16:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00093963 = 15.5039 BTC [+]	[16:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00242 = 0.2178 BTC [-]	[16:29]
bitcoinpete	http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/pp2.pdf	[16:31]
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bitcoinpete	Chamath is spot on here: "We’ve got to flush out all the has-beens and also-rans. There’s a bunch of amateur hour bullshit in the bitcoin ecosystem.”	[16:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07287999 = 0.6559 BTC [+] {3}	[16:34]
Mats_cd03	hi QTs	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/	[16:36]
ozbot	The bezzle-USD and the tide-USD pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:36]
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mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete whats not clear is who chamath is and why does he get to say this.	[16:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.595002 = 1.19 BTC [-]	[16:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 449 @ 0.00576817 = 2.5899 BTC [-] {6}	[16:37]
Mats_cd03	CheckDavid: have you considered enrolling in an intro accounting course? i think it would benefit you	[16:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.595005 = 2.975 BTC [+]	[16:38]
Mats_cd03	mircea_popescu: good timing, i just finished brewing coffee	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	hehe yw.	[16:38]
Dimsler_	the problem with ukraine	[16:39]
Dimsler_	is that its not a real country	[16:39]
Dimsler_	i do not understand why anyone cares	[16:39]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu he's one of the brighter valleyers https://twitter.com/chamath not that this gives him credibility	[16:39]
Mats_cd03	because youre a shit reader	[16:39]
Mats_cd03	do you know what a warm water port is?	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete talking about "bunch of amateur hour buyllshit in the bitcoin """ecosystem"""" in a pdf file ?	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	surely you see the humor.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 that explains why the russians care, which was quite clear.	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.0009381 = 5.5817 BTC [-]	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	course we know why exactly the us cares too, at that level.	[16:40]
Dimsler_	the belonged to russians	[16:40]
Dimsler_	in the first place	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	so did alaska.	[16:40]
Mats_cd03	only nominally	[16:40]
Dimsler_	just like 1/2 belong to poland	[16:40]
Dimsler_	wtf do you mean nominally	[16:41]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu i sequenced those poorly, first was a document by taleb & co., second was a random quote	[16:41]
Dimsler_	go pick up a fuckign history book	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	oh. i wish taleb embraced sanity ;/	[16:41]
Dimsler_	live in a box die in a box	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete anyway, if you know the chap, perhaps drop him a link. as usual, the clearing of bs starts with teh self.	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler_ why are you so aggro anyway	[16:42]
Dimsler_	because its the same bs on the news like always	[16:42]
Dimsler_	the american world police	[16:42]
Dimsler_	making a big deal about ukraine	[16:42]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu i only know him by reputation, such as it is. yes, some vetting is in order	[16:43]
Mats_cd03	crimea was an autonomous republic, not a sovereign territory with its own government	[16:43]
Dimsler_	shutup with that nonsense	[16:43]
Mats_cd03	its the functional equivalent of macao, singapore, taiwan, hong kong, or scotland deciding, lets organize militias and be rowdy	[16:43]
Dimsler_	using your bs coin terms sovereignity	[16:43]
Dimsler_	yeah right	[16:43]
Dimsler_	lol	[16:43]
Dimsler_	"republic"	[16:44]
kakobrekla	>@teddy @Xapo we've entrusted them with a shit-ton of BTC...so have other big institutional funds...its a good sign.	[16:44]
kakobrekla	yeah.	[16:44]
Mats_cd03	sovereignty as its used in international law, yes	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 wasn't it a khanate originally ? that's EXACTLY what they did.	[16:44]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla who this ?	[16:44]
Mats_cd03	and they've been properly slapped down	[16:44]
Mats_cd03	because poor people with firearms always ends up well	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 on a long enough timeline everyone's getting slapped down properly.	[16:44]
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kakobrekla	mircea_popescu / bitcoinpete http://twitter.com/chamath/status/445368482306064384	[16:45]
Dimsler_	ukraine should be hacked up	[16:45]
Dimsler_	into pieces	[16:45]
Dimsler_	like the russians suggested	[16:45]
Dimsler_	plain and simple	[16:45]
Dimsler_	half that territory was polish	[16:45]
Dimsler_	the kosack was a fucking nomad	[16:46]
Dimsler_	he didn't care	[16:46]
bitcoinpete	kakobrekla mircea_popescu oof. dunce cappery	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584	[16:46]
bitcoinpete	irllol	[16:47]
kakobrekla	heh	[16:47]
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bitcoinpete	that's good shit	[16:47]
Mats_cd03	mircea_popescu: i think the latest post would be better with a link for the tide reference, e.g. http://nymag.com/news/features/tide-detergent-drugs-2013-1/	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	i suppose we'll see another anil dash-esque butthurt explosion followed by trying to date me	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	but what can you do for these people.	[16:48]
Dimsler_	evicerate the proliteriate	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 i kinda left it unreferenced fishing for noobs tbh. i'm kinda hoping the average clueless yet opinionanted keyboard warrior may pick on it to try and "mock" me.	[16:48]
Duffer1	bring lube?	[16:48]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu maybe chamath will ask you what kind of shampoo you use	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	evicerate the proliteriate < epic	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	also, brb, gotta trample this mouse underfoot.	[16:49]
CheckDavid	Mats_cd03: I did not. But yes maybe it would	[16:51]
CheckDavid	Do you have any suggestion?	[16:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18092 @ 0.00093963 = 16.9998 BTC [+]	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	Kolin Burgess, a British bitcoin investor who spent much of Tuesday protesting outside of Mt. Gox’s abandoned office, in Tokyo, told a reporter for Reuters that he thought he had accumulated Bitcoins that were worth three hundred thousand dollars at the market’s peak. “I’m very angry,” he said. “It looks like that’s disappeared.”	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	epic.	[16:52]
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CheckDavid	He can't buy a new car now	[16:54]
Mats_cd03	CheckDavid: i dunno, khan academy does alright, but i took accounting when i was in university - up to you to find a good resource	[16:55]
Mats_cd03	i did find an excellent pdf on finance earlier today for an aspiring quant	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	the problem with learnin accounting is that it's not an art, it's a craft. you can perhaps learn philosophy in your own time, of your own volition. accounting however requires a reshaping of your mental process, which people never undertake willingly.	[16:56]
Mats_cd03	some of you might find it useful http://www.forex-warez.com/Trading%20Books/Paul%20Wilmott%20-%20FAQ%20in%20Quantitative%20Finance/Paul%20Wilmott%20-%20FAQ%20in%20Quantitative%20Finance.pdf	[16:57]
Mats_cd03	i hate the internet... stupid spaces	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	forex-warez ?! we're clearly running out of brands.	[16:57]
Mats_cd03	ya dude its the blackest market	[16:57]
Mats_cd03	/s	[16:57]
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mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/545ff62b833b121337733d02590e376c/tumblr_mm48pv0iPQ1rmcr76o1_1280.jpg	[17:01]
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mircea_popescu	teh tramborghini!	[17:02]
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CheckDavid	Ok. Thanks Mats_cd03	[17:03]
bitcoinpete	i put tramborghini doors on my escalade	[17:04]
bitcoinpete	more taleb, this time on options: http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/OptionPricing.pdf	[17:04]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: descending trend?	[17:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04560025 = 0.1824 BTC [-]	[17:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6753 @ 0.00093963 = 6.3453 BTC [+]	[17:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12455 @ 0.00093824 = 11.6858 BTC [-] {3}	[17:08]
bitcoinpete	;;later tell benkay i also quite enjoyed your last 2 articles. https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449428017115181056 https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449428228780740609	[17:10]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid hm ?	[17:10]
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CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: fundamental analysis revealed that pair is in a downward trend	[17:20]
kakobrekla	;;later tell davout the printing to pdf you suggested was rejected > "unreadable / bad quality / truncated (4)"	[17:21]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:21]
CheckDavid	You know? The pair?	[17:21]
CheckDavid	Hint: not currency pair	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	you trying to say the girl is going down ?	[17:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 900 @ 0.00241 = 2.169 BTC [-]	[17:22]
CheckDavid	2:13:02 PM mircea_popescu her tits will always point downwards on the long run, no matter what she wears.	[17:22]
bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinmagazine.com/11599/fraud-detection-world-bitcoin/	[17:24]
bitcoinpete	this is lulzy	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	http://btcmag.9wizards.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ch-header.jpg	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	their ad is even better.	[17:25]
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bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/449568135234846722	[17:26]
ozbot	Twitter / bitcoinpete: @bitcorati Fraud detection ...	[17:26]
bitcoinpete	because words	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	i think he means a different sort of fraud detection.	[17:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00241 = 0.1205 BTC [-]	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+]	[17:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00607498 = 0.1822 BTC [+] {2}	[17:34]
punkman	well shit, disk just had the CLICK OF DEATH, I think I lost a wallet	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	apparently, if you mostly follow chicks on twitter your timeline is full of women.	[17:35]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu mostly, yes, you're right.	[17:37]
bounce	banking security: bank sends plain text passwords in email. says it's safe because to log in you also need to know an email address. that email address, yes.	[17:37]
Mats_cd03	punkman: if youre unlucky you'll spend $200-500 to recover it	[17:37]
punkman	Mats_cd03: it was a doge wallet, not sure I care	[17:38]
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Mats_cd03	lol	[17:38]
punkman	(inb4 WHY U NO BACKUPS)	[17:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6889 @ 0.00093695 = 6.4546 BTC [+]	[17:39]
punkman	!t h neobee	[17:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00155000 / 0.00206041 / 0.00276488 (51611 shares, 106.33997891 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.00266469 / 0.00415500 (136878 shares, 364.73771220 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00380173 / 0.00600000 (556467 shares, 2115.53536147 BTC)	[17:39]
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mircea_popescu	bounce ayup.	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	omg doge deflation	[17:42]
pLambert	!t h rent	[17:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00570296 / 0.00649990 (1927 shares, 10.98959692 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00555269 / 0.00649990 (4050 shares, 22.48839803 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556877 / 0.00900001 (48203 shares, 268.43165089 BTC)	[17:42]
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bounce	somebody needs to write a banking front-end that actually makes sense. features like ability to feed it your gpg key. I'd write it except I have no contacts with banks so they'll never buy such off of me. (what give software away? to banks?)	[17:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 101 @ 0.00574951 = 0.5807 BTC [-] {6}	[17:44]
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punkman	bounce: need a proper backend first	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	bounce it's a moot point. banks aren't able to buy it anyway, unless the govt says do it.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	much better to just make mpex run the current version of "banks" out of business completely,	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	then it'll be a moot point.	[17:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595005 BTC [+]	[17:45]
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rithm	is this the new -otc where the mindless chatter happens	[17:45]
punkman	http://iang.org/papers/triple_entry.html	[17:46]
ozbot	Triple Entry Accounting	[17:46]
rithm	that's a highlevel observation type question	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	rithm hopefully not.	[17:46]
rithm	ijs	[17:46]
rithm	i see a lot of channels but only some of them light up	[17:46]
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mircea_popescu	now that's a great link punkman	[17:46]
punkman	relevant to "proper backend"	[17:47]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/#comment-98746	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	i was actually looking for it	[17:47]
punkman	also http://iang.org/ssl/h3_there_is_only_one_mode_and_it_is_secure.html	[17:48]
punkman	"It should take an Act of God to start up in anything but the best possible security you can manage. A Presidential Order doesn't cut it. "	[17:49]
Mats_cd03	asciilifeform: the 556 will prevail, in answer to your question.	[17:50]
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asciilifeform	Mats_cd03: history suggests that the 'lead standard' mode of a given country is strictly connected to what can be pilfered from military supplies, when the men guarding them turn free agent. so you're almost certainly correct.	[17:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00240999 = 0.3494 BTC [-] {2}	[17:51]
asciilifeform	unless mexico makes the difference.	[17:51]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform responded.	[17:53]
mike_c	geez, those furry beasts in the water on trilema are so cute i'm going to puke.	[17:53]
Mats_cd03	i was mostly thinking that the round is superior, is all. the weapons and rounds themselves are lighter than their counterparts	[17:53]
rithm	walmart has sued visa	[17:53]
rithm	this should beinteresting	[17:53]
mike_c	nah, lawyers will get paid and an agreement will be made.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	mike_c >D	[17:54]
rithm	lately i find lawsuits to be some sort of method for absconding or hiding sums of monies	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	rithm you don't say.	[17:54]
rithm	a lawsuit can be a further laundry	[17:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07288477 = 0.4373 BTC [+] {2}	[17:54]
rithm	wise beyond my years, i know	[17:54]
rithm	in my juvenile state i always assumed a lawsuit was a negative event	[17:55]
rithm	but i now i just see the spin cycle	[17:55]
asciilifeform	Mats_cd03: 'lead standard' (currency of a country in civil war) is rarely about military/technological superiority, except in degenerate case (e.g. british 'maxim' vs. zulu spear)	[17:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07299999 = 0.438 BTC [+] {2}	[17:55]
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Mats_cd03	wasn't disagreeing with you, just reflecting on qualitative differences	[17:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.43923397 BTC to 4`857 shares, 50221 satoshi per share	[17:59]
Mats_cd03	interestingly, china is not well armed compared to the rest of the world	[18:00]
asciilifeform	Mats_cd03: the well-armed are the folks with the industrial capacity. and that would be who - if not china ?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform and again.	[18:02]
asciilifeform	granted their arms might still be buried in the ground, as ore, at the moment	[18:02]
Mats_cd03	i see your point, although im thinking of privately owned small firearms	[18:02]
the20year2	armed as what?	[18:03]
Mats_cd03	they certainly do have a habit of burying them and then digging them up for use against invaders every few hundred years	[18:03]
the20year2	China arms most of the middle east with weapons	[18:03]
asciilifeform	i would guess (by no means an expert guess, but that of armchair general) that the 'most barrels per man' is somewhere in the arab world	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	i imagine it's somewhere in the ex-russian central asia.	[18:03]
Mats_cd03	http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	from mongolia to some stan	[18:03]
bounce	china has lots of cannon fodder. add some cheap mass-produced tat, and any opponent still has a bit of a problem.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	bounce actually, that was the 70s. today, china leads the us in the space race.	[18:04]
Mats_cd03	it is remarkable to me that the greatest danger to chinese public safety	[18:04]
Mats_cd03	are people armed with kitchen knives and motorcycles	[18:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1030 @ 0.00222226 = 2.2889 BTC [-] {14}	[18:04]
the20year2	and molotov cocktails	[18:04]
Mats_cd03	if the country wasnt shitty in other ways id love to live there, social stability and chinese women sounds great	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	if chinese women weren't ugly ;/	[18:05]
the20year2	and all gold diggers	[18:05]
the20year2	All the guys I know in china hate the women there	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	a woman can be trained.	[18:05]
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bounce	that they do. not like the US couldn't see it coming, or anything. just that china can make do with very little. on top of that, they do have what looks like decent kit these days.	[18:06]
Mats_cd03	you guys must be great in social settings	[18:06]
the20year2	I certainly am!	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	were you being sarcastic ? my absent social skills prevent me from discerning sarcasm online.	[18:08]
pLambert	according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country the US has the most guns per person	[18:08]
the20year2	And it's growing a little every day	[18:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00093964 = 9.7723 BTC [+]	[18:08]
the20year2	Jan and Feb firearm sales were astronomical	[18:09]
asciilifeform	pLambert: 'barrels per man' includes 'man' and not merely 'barrels'	[18:09]
asciilifeform	cannon cannot fight by itself	[18:09]
bounce	too bad dual wielding isn't what the gamer kids believe it is	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:09]
the20year2	gamer kids have no hope	[18:09]
bounce	though there's the ROTM	[18:09]
pLambert	I don't get it, whats the diff between barrels-per-man and guns-per-capita?	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot more to that man angle than anyone readily admits. take that recent treysomething or the other case.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	the monkey got shot, in the end, it's true	[18:10]
the20year2	double barreled shotguns count as two!	[18:10]
asciilifeform	pLambert: picture one of those palestinian hospital-cum-armoury places	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	only after beating the shit out of the eventual shooter for half an hour.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	that won't wash irl.	[18:10]
asciilifeform	hundreds of wounded, plus women and children 'shields', enough artillery to equip a division	[18:10]
asciilifeform	but is there a division there?	[18:11]
the20year2	not division strength :D	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	people who shoot you the moment you've looked the wrong way are quite different from people who scuffle with you over their own gun which then sorta-accidentally discharges.	[18:11]
asciilifeform	a fixation on hardware is one of the 'professional diseases' of technological civilization	[18:12]
the20year2	i just don't like the people that complain about the legal constructs of the state for self defense and want to make it illegal to defend yourself	[18:12]
asciilifeform	;;google yi yi zhi yi	[18:12]
gribble	Continuosly in Mandarin Chinese - Yi Zhi - Mandarin Language: ; Zhi Yi Ong \| University of Pennsylvania Department of Psychology: ; Yi-Zhi Huang - Department of Mathematics:	[18:12]
asciilifeform	retarded.	[18:13]
Mats_cd03	i believe owning a weapon is a privilege rather than a right	[18:13]
asciilifeform	;;google "yi yi zhi yi"	[18:13]
gribble	Continuosly in Mandarin Chinese - Yi Zhi - Mandarin Language: ; Zhi Yi Ong \| University of Pennsylvania Department of Psychology: ; Yi-Zhi Huang - Department of Mathematics:	[18:13]
asciilifeform	ok no dice.	[18:13]
the20year2	And I don't	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	owning a weapon is an ability.	[18:13]
the20year2	I feel that the ability to adequately defend yourself and your family isn't just a right, it's required	[18:13]
Mats_cd03	i believe should be compelled to prove competency with it as well as commit to securing the weapon	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	privileges and rights don't enter into it.	[18:13]
Mats_cd03	^ you	[18:13]
bounce	well, there's more to it than that. in the USoA there's also a strong cultural current that requires guns. and, relatedly, something to fight, so they'll keep on looking for exactly that. in that sense two wars at the same time is them 'merkins having a cultural field day.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	the gun was there before there were privileges, rights or beliefs	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	it will hopefully survive all that crud.	[18:14]
asciilifeform	deadliest known weapon, long before gunpowder, is: set of balls	[18:14]
the20year2	The technological prerequisite to production of a firearm is quite low	[18:14]
Mats_cd03	in practical terms securing the weapon means two different locks for the bolt carrier group and the upper receiver	[18:14]
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the20year2	which prevents access in time of emergency or delays a theif by a whole minute or two	[18:15]
Mats_cd03	if that was imposed, people dying of negligent discharges would drop 90%	[18:15]
the20year2	Negligent discharges are quite low overall and are decreasing by pretty large amounts in the US	[18:15]
Mats_cd03	if it takes you a minute to remove two locks and assemble the weapon you deserve to die to a home invasion	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 two different locks ?	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	what are you making there, a hope chest ?	[18:15]
the20year2	You think most people can do that when their door is being busted down?	[18:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00093549 = 13.0501 BTC [-] {4}	[18:16]
asciilifeform	my understanding is that such locks are usually meant against the owner's sons rather than enemies	[18:16]
the20year2	Why not require the same of police officers too? Since they have the same, or more negligent discharges than civilians	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 by the same argument, people who die by negligent discharge deserve to die anwyay /	[18:16]
Mats_cd03	youre more likely to die to a negligent discharge than to a home invasion	[18:16]
mike_c	the20year2: probably not a percentage basis?	[18:16]
Mats_cd03	thats the reasoning, anyway	[18:16]
the20year2	And you're more likely to be in a car accident 100 times over than an accidental firearm discharge	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i seriously don't see who'd like to keep that particular son.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	the best way to raise boys is to regularly give them enough rope to hang themselves and then enforce the hanging once they started it.	[18:17]
bounce	well, it's a bit of a problem if that son first shoots half a magazine worth of neighbours	[18:17]
mike_c	the20year2: again.. seems misleading. is that just for gun owners?	[18:17]
asciilifeform	perhaps no one, but others want to keep theirs - and their domestic animals, window glass, etc.	[18:17]
the20year2	Among all accidental firearm discharges in the US , there were 600 deaths last year	[18:17]
the20year2	Compared to 3,500 drowning deaths, 750 people beat to death with hands and feet, 40,000 alcohol related deaths and 500,000 tobacco related deaths	[18:18]
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mike_c	yes, but everybody has hands and feet. not everybody has guns.	[18:18]
asciilifeform	death statistics are a tiresome subject. no one dies of statistics.	[18:18]
Mats_cd03	how do you propose solving social problems with statistics	[18:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28391 @ 0.00093973 = 26.6799 BTC [+]	[18:19]
the20year2	Well, i could base everything on how I "Feel", but i don't know that my feelings would have any impact on others	[18:19]
chetty	no such thing as social problems	[18:19]
asciilifeform	http://i.imgur.com/L6MvbiG.jpg	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	i wonder how many deaths are "related" to statistics	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	in the sense they are "related" to tobacco	[18:20]
chetty	95%	[18:20]
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asciilifeform	i can think of one example	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	let's see... if some guy needs an operation and the insurance won't clear it because they judge he's too old/poor/etc, and he dies	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	this would be a statistics related death neh ?	[18:21]
asciilifeform	when the usg banned the instant 'hiv' tester device, the argument, if i recall, was that people would kill themselves on learning the result, if no surrounded by government-approved shrinks	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:21]
benkay	;;gpg eauth benkay	[18:21]
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the20year2	Didn't all those people die during holomodor due to USSR's amazing statistics & record keeping?	[18:21]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:21]
benkay	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:983637eb42b48a2be08fe9d0aa52ad0f7cb6412de4764cff08499c25	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	wait, hiv testing is banned in the us?!	[18:21]
benkay		[18:21]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 it definitely could be argued.	[18:21]
benkay	;;rate bitcoinpete 1 does what he says he will.	[18:21]
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mircea_popescu	twas holodomor too	[18:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not banned as such. but the 'holy grail' that could have eradicated the virus, a pocket-sized instant electronic gizmo, sat in a glass case at one of my old employers' facility	[18:22]
asciilifeform	and is not to be found at pharmacy.	[18:22]
the20year2	Although you could also blame it on lynshenkoism (sp) which kind of is a statistical thing there too	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	dja know how miciurin died ?	[18:22]
asciilifeform	'fell from a strawberry tree' ?	[18:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.04541482 = 1.5441 BTC [-] {6}	[18:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00094255 = 43.263 BTC [+] {5}	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	aye.	[18:23]
asciilifeform	like a jpm accountant.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consumerupdates/ucm310545.htm ?	[18:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not this one. a re-usable, electronic gizmo that took a few min.	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055055 = 0.1101 BTC [-] {2}	[18:24]
asciilifeform	could've been used by civilians prior to putting on condom, etc.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	this seems to work the same way neh ?	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	i know pron companies now use something on the sets.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	after that major scare a few years back	[18:24]
asciilifeform	the difference is important (expensive, disposable, slow) vs. reusable (cheap), compact, fast.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	who reuses a hiv test ?!	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	seems a bad idea.	[18:25]
asciilifeform	i believe the gizmo in question used a 'microarray'	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	"i got hiv from sharing the hiv tester with a hiv sufferer"	[18:25]
asciilifeform	(SRAM with immunoreactant crap permanently bonded to the capacitors)	[18:25]
asciilifeform	spit, wash.	[18:25]
asciilifeform	repeat.	[18:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07199 = 0.36 BTC [-]	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	o	[18:26]
asciilifeform	incidentally, the same tech could easily test the composition of a drug (pharmacy or back alley, user's choice)	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[18:26]
asciilifeform	these things actually work.	[18:26]
asciilifeform	in usa (and colonies) - a fellow who sells actual solutions to 'social problem' crapola is liable to 'begin to have problems.'	[18:28]
benkay	mircea_popescu: re gpgauth.org, that doesn't store private keys though.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=537545.msg5950668#msg5950668	[18:29]
ozbot	New regulated UK exchange opening	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	nefario trying the kenna trick.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	benkay no i understand that. but if you use it, you have to still secure your site,	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	and then hope that both gpgauth and your link to it is also secure.	[18:29]
asciilifeform	letmepawnmystolencraponyou.com	[18:30]
asciilifeform	or something like that	[18:30]
BingoBoingo	Duffer1: Your link looked link Dank discovered socks	[18:30]
mike_c	but if you use gpgauth and they get hacked, you have an excuse. so it's ok. like when your site goes down because aws goes down, built in excuse.	[18:30]
benkay	o i thought the excuse was =========	[18:31]
benkay	"hashes match on my device!"	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	mike_c heh i see.	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	but seriously now, i fail to see what it offers. i mean i suppose one could loot their github for code, and the site could be just a demo.	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135834.msg5947874#msg5947874	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	the pr salute you.	[18:33]
asciilifeform	in other news,	[18:34]
benkay	i don't see my name there...	[18:34]
benkay	some salute.	[18:34]
asciilifeform	'zorro' (aes-based cipher) is broken. sorry, pdf: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/zorro-break.pdf	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	benkay a half mast salute ? :D	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hjaha cool.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449585590187880448	[18:35]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: 'zorro' (aes-based cipher) ...	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	there, i've now robbed peter to pay paul.	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	can i be government yet ?	[18:36]
benkay	;;gettrust eskimobob	[18:36]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user eskimobob: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=eskimobob \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eskimobob \| Rated since: Sat Jun 4 12:35:57 2011	[18:36]
tg2	Bro do u even r8	[18:36]
mike_c	true or false: if i type a password into my shell, and then call 'history -c', i am ok?	[18:36]
tg2	Hdd or ssd?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	mike_c not ok.	[18:37]
mike_c	assume i am not worried about someone raw-reading my hdd. are there other attack vectors?	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	yes. the shell only flushes the session at times.	[18:37]
tg2	Auth logs often will keep a history of commands	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	so your -c may or may not hit what you want	[18:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+]	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	a good approach is to search everywhere for another string in the history file, then wipe your password from everywhere you found keeps a copy.	[18:38]
mike_c	ok, thanks.	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	and this to be done after all processes involved ended.	[18:39]
tg2	Grep -iR "yourpass" /	[18:39]
tg2	Go have a coffee	[18:39]
asciilifeform	the 'zorro' thing isn't a mega-news, on account of it being a kind of 'castrated' aes variant	[18:39]
tg2	Lol	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	unless you conveniently search ram etc.	[18:39]
asciilifeform	but still interesting that people bother.	[18:39]
bounce	all the while "yourpass" sits in the process list for all to see	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	if you like yourpass you can keep yourpass.	[18:43]
BingoBoingo	http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/97749/World/International/Putin-says-Crimea-showed-new-capacities-of-Russian.aspx	[18:44]
ozbot	Putin says Crimea showed 'new capacities' of Russian army - International - World - Ahram Online	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	10mF	[18:44]
asciilifeform	lol!	[18:44]
asciilifeform	because we're madmen, let's actually calculate this.	[18:46]
BingoBoingo	http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/yanukovych_calls_for_referendums_across_ukraine	[18:46]
ozbot	Ukraine: Crimea Bases Under Russian Control \|	[18:46]
asciilifeform	http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk/blog/capacitance-of-a-human-body/	[18:46]
ozbot	Extreme Electronics \| Capacitance of a human body	[18:47]
asciilifeform	let's take the 100pF value, conservatively.	[18:47]
asciilifeform	;;google russian army strength 2014	[18:47]
gribble	Global Firepower - 2014 World Military Strength Ranking: ; Russia Military Strength - Global Firepower: ; 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free ...:	[18:47]
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*	mircea_popescu prepares to fall over laughing.	[18:47]
benkay	this apparently is how options are working now: http://bitbet.us/bet/798/bitcoin-to-drop-under-400-before-june/ http://bitbet.us/bet/799/bitcoin-price-above-800-before-july/	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	lol srsly.	[18:49]
asciilifeform	if we take the 69 million available men figure,	[18:49]
Mats_cd03	neat	[18:49]
asciilifeform	;;calc (200e-12 * 69000000) / (1e-3)	[18:49]
gribble	Error: invalid syntax (, line 1)	[18:49]
asciilifeform	whatever, ~13.8 millifarad.	[18:49]
asciilifeform	so, mp is quite close.	[18:49]
asciilifeform	mp wins 'fermi' prize.	[18:50]
*	asciilifeform bows.	[18:51]
BingoBoingo	http://www.globalfirepower.com/active-reserve-military-manpower.asp	[18:51]
asciilifeform	homework: calculate 'if the chinese jumped.'	[18:52]
asciilifeform	(actual physics puzzle from my childhood)	[18:52]
the20year2	Reserves are calculated differently in each country	[18:52]
asciilifeform	200pf	[18:54]
asciilifeform	damn, not awake	[18:54]
the20year2	that's more than double 100pf , right?	[18:54]
asciilifeform	given value is for 200.	[18:54]
asciilifeform	incidentally, capacitance of the body is not mere trivia, but modern mobile gizmotry lives and dies by it (touch panel.)	[18:55]
asciilifeform	(try using a capacitative panel with your fingernail)	[18:55]
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asciilifeform	http://www.navytimes.com/article/20140328/NEWS/303280014/Navy-says-farewell-fire-damaged-sub-Miami	[18:57]
ozbot	Navy says farewell to fire-damaged sub Miami \| Navy Times \| navytimes.com	[18:57]
the20year2	do they put caps in styluses?	[18:57]
asciilifeform	in the russian wankasphere, at the time, there were countless wags suggesting nominating the drunk for 'order of lenin'	[18:57]
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benkay	capacitor not necessary for capacitance	[18:57]
asciilifeform	virtually anything is a capacitor, depending on your circumstances.	[18:58]
benkay	pedant	[18:58]
asciilifeform	just some are larger than others.	[18:58]
benkay	some are also engineered and subsequently manufactured.	[18:58]
benkay	vs grown in wombs	[18:58]
asciilifeform	at this point, even cable monkeys, afaik, know this - because at high frequencies, a wire is a capacitor	[18:58]
asciilifeform	a kink in the cable - an inductor.	[18:58]
asciilifeform	the 'lumped element model' of electronics was ok for the first half of 20th c.	[18:59]
asciilifeform	now, not so much.	[18:59]
benkay	kinks can even induce reflections if your application's sensitive to 'em.	[18:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 49.34183188 BTC to 80`674 shares, 61162 satoshi per share	[18:59]
benkay	once had to design a nightmare of a cable harness for wafer probing.	[19:00]
asciilifeform	mismatched impedence -> also reflections. undergrad physics.	[19:00]
Mats_cd03	i love you guys	[19:00]
asciilifeform	try it at home!	[19:00]
asciilifeform	even the lowliest asian oscilloscope comes with built-in test waveform generator	[19:00]
benkay	minimum bend radii, maximum cable lengths, nobody ever wanted to cram that many probes that close together before, handed the problem to resident kid.	[19:00]
asciilifeform	attach to a cable made with two segments of mismatched impedence	[19:01]
asciilifeform	the other end, to a probe.	[19:01]
punkman	asciilifeform: what's a good chinese brand for scopes?	[19:01]
asciilifeform	then watch the echos.	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform dude i think i actually can prove there won't be no "lead standard".	[19:01]
asciilifeform	punkman: mine's a recent 'rigol' (has documented interface, linux friendly)	[19:01]
asciilifeform	other people - use others	[19:01]
asciilifeform	for HF work, a 1978 'hewlett packard'	[19:01]
asciilifeform	wake up diametric, he'll describe his collection.	[19:02]
diametric	collection of what?	[19:02]
asciilifeform	instruments	[19:02]
asciilifeform	and their purposes	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2014/03/27/college-offers-a-course-miley-cyrus-but-not-twerking/6953809/	[19:03]
ozbot	College offers a course on Miley Cyrus, but not twerking	[19:03]
asciilifeform	;;google Rigol DS1102D	[19:04]
gribble	DS1102D 100 MHz Mixed Signal Oscilloscope \| Rigol - Beyond ...: ; Amazon.com: Rigol DS1102D 100MHz Mixed Signal Oscilloscope ...: ; Rigol DS1102D Digital Oscilloscope 100MHz with Logic Analyzer ...: (1 more message)	[19:04]
asciilifeform	reasonably cheap, all-purpose gizmo	[19:04]
diametric	oh, I have a collection but ultimately I don't do enough electronics work to give that great of opinions on it.	[19:04]
asciilifeform	if a little of a 'trabambourghini'.	[19:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00093923 = 4.7431 BTC [-]	[19:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05460057 = 0.3822 BTC [-] {2}	[19:04]
diametric	;;google owon sds7102	[19:04]
gribble	Amazon.com: Owon SDS7102 Deep Memory Digital Storage ...: ; REVIEW - Owon SDS7102 - A look at the SDS series from Owon - Page ...: ; OWON SDS7102 Complete Review - YouTube:	[19:04]
diametric	thats the one I have, it works well for my uses.	[19:05]
asciilifeform	i think most people (who have any dealings with such matters, at any rate) own at least 2 scopes - a chinese trambo, and a vintage american analogue unit.	[19:05]
benkay	"vintage"? how old is vintage?	[19:05]
diametric	yeah I have a 79 (i think?) tektronics of some sort I haven't used very much	[19:06]
asciilifeform	1970s usually	[19:06]
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benkay	those are a joy	[19:06]
asciilifeform	similar machines are still made. $2-3K+	[19:06]
benkay	i had to have someone who grew up with them teach me how to use them though.	[19:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299999 = 0.511 BTC [+] {2}	[19:06]
benkay	manuals having long since disappeared from the shop.	[19:06]
asciilifeform	using a scope isn't rocket surgery	[19:07]
asciilifeform	and you can usually find the manual on the net.	[19:07]
benkay	<< lowly mechanical	[19:07]
asciilifeform	it's merely a voltmeter with a time axis.	[19:07]
benkay	plus also cameraderie and mentorship.	[19:07]
asciilifeform	the first oscilloscope wasn't even electronic in the usual sense (mirror on a rope, deflected by electrostatic charges, candle, projects on wall)	[19:08]
asciilifeform	most of what we think of as 'high tech' was created by people who never lived to see a plastic bag.	[19:08]
asciilifeform	think of it that way.	[19:08]
*	asciilifeform is mostly an uneducated brute, who learned of things by playing with them, and libraries.	[19:09]
benkay	lucky them, living in such a slow time and communing with such giants.	[19:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]	[19:09]
the20year2	if i had a major need for one i could have picked up a few by now	[19:10]
asciilifeform	instruments with acceptable, if not great, quality, are more available today than ever.	[19:10]
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benkay	asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, diametric and chipfolk at large: on a scale of zero to crackpot: http://ootbcomp.com/	[19:11]
asciilifeform	navhul-lacsup << urbit syllablegen? !	[19:11]
benkay	asciilifeform: looks like it, neh?	[19:11]
benkay	ahoy the sub	[19:11]
navhul-lacsup	asciilifeform: yeah, I lurk there	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	benkay i don't know enough about cpus to be useful there.	[19:12]
asciilifeform	somebody linked to 'mill' in my comment peanutgallery once	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	navhul-lacsup wait, so is this actually an urbit powered irc bouncer ?!	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	wait wait wait nowai, you don't lose connection nearly frequently enough.	[19:12]
punkman	oh sweet, you can hack these Rigols http://hackaday.com/2013/07/02/unlocking-a-rigol-scope-once-again/	[19:13]
asciilifeform	these folks are crackpots, quite possibly inspired by my ravings re: dataflow archs. so i am to blame.	[19:13]
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asciilifeform	they've no hardware.	[19:13]
diametric	punkman: maybe, i vaguely remember reading after that came out the newer shipped ones don't work	[19:13]
diametric	punkman: i could be wrong	[19:13]
navhul-lacsup	i like a lot of technical goals of the project, but I do worry that it is too radical to take off	[19:13]
benkay	insufficiently-horsed is more like it.	[19:14]
navhul-lacsup	maybe a clone written for the JVM would be more popular/successful	[19:14]
asciilifeform	navhul-lacsup: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	so ascii is to blame huh ?	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1qd3bwv3N4	[19:14]
ozbot	"Behold the Lord High Executioner" - YouTube	[19:14]
navhul-lacsup	I'm mostly interested in upgrading internet architecture with referential transparency, no bitrot, and secure identity baked in	[19:15]
navhul-lacsup	the stuff under that layer is beyond me, and seems to add to the risk of the project	[19:15]
navhul-lacsup	but Curtis wouldn't be excited enough to do it without reinventing the world from scratch	[19:15]
asciilifeform	navhul-lacsup: 'you can't mold a bullet from shit' (rus. saying)	[19:16]
asciilifeform	curtis found a dog turd, dried for years, and decided that it is hard enough to whittle bullet from	[19:16]
navhul-lacsup	I'll read your post when I am off paid time	[19:17]
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navhul-lacsup	(I actually rss subscribe to your blog)	[19:17]
asciilifeform	my recommendation is - don't - it will probably make you unhappy	[19:17]
asciilifeform	(tldr version - curtis re-invented: nothing. 'old wine in new bottle')	[19:18]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/#comment-98750	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	navhul-lacsup well nice toi have you anyways.	[19:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 3350 @ 0.00050002 = 1.6751 BTC [-] {2}	[19:27]
rithm	if only they'd print serial numbers on all those tide bottles...	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	rithm they do.	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	all fmcg carries lot and serial identification.	[19:28]
rithm	are you sure? when did that start?	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	the 80s ?	[19:28]
rithm	i'll have to do more grocery shopping to confirm this theroy	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	look around the seams, usually where the typographical allignment marks are.	[19:28]
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rithm	i personally operate mostly in the bezzle space obv	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	i think most everyone here does.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	i know i do.	[19:29]
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mircea_popescu	well... or used to, i guess bitcoin changes that.	[19:29]
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rithm	i'm very intriqgued by the tideUSD market though	[19:29]
rithm	-q	[19:30]
the20year2	tideusd?	[19:30]
rithm	mmmhmmmm	[19:30]
the20year2	Tide? The soap?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	rithm if us ngos were actually useful rather than a cozy retreat for useless white cunts, we'd have some research data available as to actual economic expenditure of ghetto household	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	i suspect on average about 1/3 of available resources goes to chemicals.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	the20year2 yea	[19:31]
the20year2	i know soap theft is pretty big	[19:31]
benkay	"chemicals" including lots of nominally nutritive materials	[19:32]
rithm	mircea_popescu i have supporting data based on my surroundings that confirm your hypothesis	[19:32]
the20year2	you mean ghetto food too?	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	benkay i mostly meant psychoactives.	[19:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00093712 = 4.0296 BTC [-]	[19:32]
the20year2	Ah, drugs	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	rithm sure, i have a lot of anecdotal support	[19:32]
rithm	well alcohol and tobacco consume large portions of the blue collar paycheck	[19:32]
the20year2	I'd love to see the data	[19:32]
rithm	erm tideUSD	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	generally you can "crash", ie, board, for free with "friends"	[19:33]
the20year2	but look at top employers in ghetto areas	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	but "friendship" is borne out of sharing chems.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	so in a sense, rent for the ghetto is paid in grams.	[19:33]
asciilifeform	then there are the Chukchas	[19:33]
asciilifeform	and their 'amanita muscaria'	[19:33]
rithm	ic	[19:33]
asciilifeform	where the drug is - literally - shared with friends.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform exact same practice existed in medieval romanian and prior	[19:34]
asciilifeform	(excreted unchanged, piss is served)	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	and in medieval crimeea, scythic times.	[19:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: everywhere the thing grows	[19:34]
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tg2	grams/month living index	[19:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22834 @ 0.00093663 = 21.387 BTC [-]	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-03/25/homeopathy-contains-medicine	[19:45]
ozbot	Homeopathic remedies recalled for containing real medicine (Wired UK)	[19:45]
asciilifeform	good thing james randi didn't eat a kilo of that one	[19:46]
asciilifeform	during his demos	[19:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00242896 = 0.3643 BTC [+] {4}	[19:46]
the20year2	oh dang	[19:47]
the20year2	i've never understood homeopathy, and i don't think most who believe in it do either	[19:47]
benkay	not much to understand, the20year2.	[19:48]
benkay	there's nothing there.	[19:48]
asciilifeform	re: http://nymag.com/news/features/tide-detergent-drugs-2013-1 << every bottle of laundry crap, in every shop, where i live - has a bulky rfid alarm gizmo chained to it.	[19:48]
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benkay	asciilifeform: there aren't zappers floating around?	[19:49]
asciilifeform	the shop clerk disarms it with some electro crap built into the cash register, and snips off the alarm wire	[19:49]
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the20year2	Yeah	[19:49]
the20year2	same with electronics in most stores	[19:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00093751 = 36.4223 BTC [+] {3}	[19:49]
asciilifeform	thieves have been walking with shield bags for many years.	[19:49]
asciilifeform	same kind of bag used to house static-sensitive electronics, but larger.	[19:49]
benkay	asciilifeform: this defense ignores the store mandates that store employees not actually do anything during a theft for fear of liability.	[19:49]
asciilifeform	the alarm goes off many times, every day, cries wolf	[19:50]
asciilifeform	and who would chase a genuine thief? the 'minimum wage' clerk?	[19:50]
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jurov	smile sheepishly, shrug it off, walk out	[19:51]
benkay	asciilifeform: that is what i'm driving at.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform cuz you live in the sticks. they don't bother with that shit here.	[19:51]
asciilifeform	one day we will probably see shops where you enter and leave through a 'man trap'	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	they DO however rfid the hell out of alcohol bottles	[19:51]
asciilifeform	lets you in if your (radio-enabled) card has credit	[19:51]
asciilifeform	lets you out if your balance - minus the prices reported by radio tags on the junk in your bags - is positive	[19:52]
asciilifeform	no clerks.	[19:52]
asciilifeform	;;google mantrap	[19:52]
gribble	Mantrap - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; What is mantrap - WhatIs.com - TechTarget: ; Mantrap (1926) - IMDb:	[19:52]
asciilifeform	aka airlock	[19:53]
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asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIgAYh_7z2Y	[19:53]
ozbot	Bank robber trapped in Access Control Vestibule - YouTube	[19:53]
benkay	mircea_popescu: most places in the US alcohol is only touchable by the clerks.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	the epic http://trilema.com/2012/what-does-a-start-up-run-on/ was made by me loading my own cart.	[19:55]
asciilifeform	benkay: in the cities. it is sold through a little window, like movie tickets.	[19:55]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Sounds like a sad place	[19:56]
asciilifeform	elsewhere, it is sold like ordinary things	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that's how they do pond shops here.	[19:56]
asciilifeform	;;google chechen mafia booth	[19:56]
gribble	Who Knows Jack? - American Journalism Review: ; The Judeo-Russian Mafia And The Bloodbath To Come, by Dr ...: ; Chechnya Leaders Claim Terrorist Who Called for Olympic Attacks ...:	[19:56]
benkay	oh it's the most hilarious in the occupied cascadian territories, BingoBoingo	[19:57]
benkay	we labor under a state sponsored liquor monopoly.	[19:57]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Here we have liquor and tobacco superstores where you can browse the aisles	[19:58]
benkay	go fuck yourself	[19:58]
benkay	i hate socialism	[19:58]
BingoBoingo	Walk up to the counter, walk out with a keg	[19:58]
asciilifeform	places where shops get robbed beyond some critical frequency tend to sprout 'chechen'-style kiosks. picture a shipping container, perhaps with a bit of extra armour, with a small hole.	[19:59]
asciilifeform	money enters, booze, smokes, etc. come out.	[19:59]
benkay	that was my experience in NYC, asciilifeform.	[19:59]
benkay	luckily, we don't have much actual in-person robbery here. just communism.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo is that chicago ?	[19:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: St Louis.	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	The gas stations in less desirable areas have armor, glass and kiosks	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	weird shit.	[20:00]
BingoBoingo	The larger outfits just have people cabable of handling security handling security	[20:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0706604 = 1.7665 BTC [-] {11}	[20:01]
BingoBoingo	http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/gutcheck/2011/04/bodegas_obergo_lagrimas_de_obergo_rosado_randalls.php	[20:02]
BingoBoingo	The image midpage almost captures the scale of the place	[20:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}	[20:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 31 @ 0.0064999 = 0.2015 BTC [+]	[20:04]
tg2	http://m.aedifica.com/en/news/saq-signature-concept-honored-by-the-retail-design-institute	[20:05]
ozbot	SAQ Signature concept honored by the Retail Design Institute	[20:05]
tg2	thats our fanciest booze store	[20:05]
tg2	better: http://m.aedifica.com/en/expertise/retail/saq-signature	[20:05]
tg2	5500 sq ft	[20:05]
benkay	it's not nearly as bad here as i make it out	[20:06]
benkay	the nice stores are nice, obviously.	[20:06]
benkay	the monopoly is a horrendous thing.	[20:07]
tg2	yeah it's bad	[20:07]
tg2	an $80 bottle of wine in florida can be $300+ by the time it gets here	[20:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0065 = 0.13 BTC [+]	[20:07]
tg2	probably one of the worst examples of government monopoly	[20:08]
benkay	what's even more funny is that canadian beef is cheaper here than it is up there.	[20:08]
tg2	yeah but we like USDA beef ;)	[20:08]
tg2	classic "grass is greener"	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	St Louis also has a sort of privately run beer welfare, take the free AB brewery tour and get two beers at the end	[20:09]
benkay	USDA's horrendously more expensive up north.	[20:09]
tg2	12oz AAA tenderloin is $45+ in most places here	[20:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00093964 = 9.3024 BTC [+] {2}	[20:09]
tg2	not from the butcher, but in any respectable restaurant	[20:10]
benkay	ah	[20:10]
benkay	i was going to say.	[20:10]
tg2	its around $78/kg here	[20:10]
tg2	for usda/aaa	[20:10]
tg2	from the grocery	[20:10]
tg2	$26 per 12oz	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.069998 = 0.49 BTC [-]	[20:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 333 @ 0.0065 = 2.1645 BTC [+]	[20:10]
benkay	argentina!	[20:11]
tg2	wife's family owns a bunch of dairy farms	[20:11]
Mats_cd03	.bait	[20:11]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5lfaiSyrG1qk6jw7o1_500.jpg	[20:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.00659111 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {3}	[20:11]
tg2	so we get free-range grass-fed beef	[20:12]
tg2	sauce: http://keyj.com/and-the-hot-twitter-girl-of-the-month-is-natacha-daro-pictures/	[20:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.055 = 0.33 BTC [+] {2}	[20:13]
the20year2	daaang	[20:14]
asciilifeform	http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/03/24/veteran-cyclist-knew-the-dangers-all-too-well.html	[20:14]
ozbot	Veteran cyclist killed by minivan knew the dangers all too well \| The Columbus Dispatch	[20:14]
tg2	https://twitter.com/NatachaDaroOK	[20:14]
ozbot	Natacha Daro (NatachaDaroOK) on Twitter	[20:14]
asciilifeform	(tldr - jpm corpse)	[20:14]
the20year2	tg2: where are you?	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	lmao. most excellent wine here is about 10-15 bucks.	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	what 80, what 300.	[20:14]
tg2	I thought it was sacha grey in that pic	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	the finest cognac in the world goes for ~55 a bottle.	[20:14]
the20year2	AAA beef grade is USDA choice which is pretty low	[20:14]
tg2	:\|	[20:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.0068611 = 0.4803 BTC [+]	[20:15]
tg2	I guess we have different taste in wine :)	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	possibly.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	but i've yet to have a decent us wine.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	i don't even mean good. decent. something i could in good conscience feed women.	[20:15]
tg2	i can give you a list of "to-try" if youw ant	[20:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00242784 = 0.1554 BTC [-] {4}	[20:16]
tg2	you're close to napa I'm guessing	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	many have.	[20:16]
tg2	1 just have one	[20:16]
tg2	you can try	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	no, im in romania. close to recas.	[20:16]
tg2	opus one	[20:16]
tg2	then insignia	[20:16]
tg2	then silver oak	[20:16]
tg2	;)	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	insignia ?!	[20:16]
tg2	I have cases of it	[20:16]
tg2	its great	[20:16]
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mircea_popescu	i thought that was a flat panel tv maker o.O	[20:17]
tg2	puts california on the map imo	[20:17]
tg2	http://www.josephphelps.com/insignia-wine/	[20:17]
ozbot	Insignia : Joseph Phelps Vineyards	[20:17]
tg2	http://en.opusonewinery.com/	[20:17]
ozbot	Opus One	[20:17]
BingoBoingo	;;google insignia product	[20:17]
gribble	Insignia Consumer Electronic Products: ; Product Support \| Insignia: ; Insignia Flat Screen Television Collection \| LCD HDTVs \| Insignia:	[20:17]
tg2	haha	[20:17]
tg2	yes they are	[20:17]
tg2	but the wine has more lineage	[20:17]
tg2	;D	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	lolk	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	i dunno how much lineage it can have, but anyway	[20:18]
BingoBoingo	I have trouble trusting a brand named after something a brand is supposed to have, rather than actually having its own	[20:18]
tg2	it's a great wine	[20:19]
tg2	but it's $325 a bottle here	[20:19]
tg2	I found a case of opus one in a convenience store in maui	[20:19]
tg2	for $55 per bottle	[20:19]
tg2	at the back of a fridge	[20:20]
BingoBoingo	;;ident	[20:20]
gribble	Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None	[20:20]
tg2	was 1996	[20:20]
tg2	this was in ~2008	[20:20]
tg2	http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/opus+one+napa+valley+county+north+coast+california+usa/1996	[20:21]
ozbot	1996 Opus One, Napa Valley, USA: prices \| wine-searcher	[20:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00093446 = 14.5916 BTC [-] {4}	[20:22]
tg2	anyway, all this to say fuck government monopolies	[20:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0068611 = 0.2058 BTC [+]	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	http://www.recaswine.ro/CrameleRecas/galerie.php?r=na	[20:23]
ozbot	Cramele Recas/ Recas Winery	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	this'be the winery about 20 miles from here.	[20:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 483 @ 0.00698395 = 3.3732 BTC [+] {2}	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	they make something like 10 mn bottles a year, most of it sold as entry and mid range wine. if you run into it tho buy it, because it's probably the best you'll ever drink at that price level.	[20:24]
tg2	I would go for some italian super tuscans	[20:24]
tg2	that should be available where you are	[20:24]
tg2	sassicaia	[20:24]
punkman	I got this box of wine here that was about 3eur/litre.	[20:24]
punkman	same thing is shipped to France and bottled, then sold to Americans for a huge premium	[20:25]
tg2	my eyes are rolling so hard right now	[20:25]
punkman	yah	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	punkman about how it works, yeah.	[20:25]
tg2	next time you guys are in montreal ping me we'll hit the cellar :)	[20:26]
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mircea_popescu	do you have to heat the cellars up there ?	[20:27]
tg2	yes actually	[20:27]
tg2	lol	[20:27]
tg2	I have a pit cellar (under the house) and cold air tends to make it's way down there	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	aha	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	must suck	[20:29]
tg2	well if it freezes	[20:29]
tg2	you just ruined thousands of bottles	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	ya that's the end of it	[20:29]
tg2	so yes	[20:29]
punkman	I could use a nice cellar	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	but ideally, people should live in places where a properly dug cellar maintains a proper temperature with no exceptions.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	there's criteria to choose where to live.	[20:30]
tg2	I /think/ it's actually below the frost line but I wouldn't want to test it out	[20:30]
tg2	I keep them at 14C	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	(incidentally, do you know how roman legionnaires chose where to settle down ? ie, they wanted to be able to grow wine)	[20:30]
tg2	well romans + wine goes pretty hand in hand	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[20:31]
tg2	sadly I don't know of many romanian wines	[20:32]
tg2	geographically they should be able to grow the same caliber of wine as itali	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	they actually beat france.	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	better soil.	[20:33]
tg2	its a combination of soil and sun and temperature	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[20:33]
tg2	craiova is about the same latitude as the two regions in italy and france that produce the "top" wines	[20:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3814 @ 0.00213751 = 8.1525 BTC [-] {23}	[20:34]
mike_c	no more tesla fires: https://medium.com/p/544f35965a0d	[20:34]
tg2	you need hills of the right orientation, arid seasons, mild temperature variances and the right amount of daylight (and, you know, some fugesi) to grow good wine	[20:35]
mike_c	tl;dr: watch a tesla run over a concrete block: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*jX6zAXW-xmUgkNDhi891zQ.gif	[20:35]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.winetaste.ro/images/vinom/1-1-0.jpg	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	thats a map of the major wine producing zones	[20:35]
tg2	http://allthingsd.com/20130820/teslas-model-s-breaks-roof-testing-machine-car-safety-record/	[20:35]
ozbot	Tesla Model S Awarded NHTSA's Highest Safety Rating - John Paczkowski - News - AllThingsD	[20:35]
midnightmagic	mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[20:36]
midnightmagic	mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	mike_c quite impressive.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	but you know, what happens if the obstacle isn't brissant	[20:36]
mike_c	immovable object, unstoppable force, who knows?	[20:36]
punkman	so they redesigned Paypal to be responsive or whatever, now I can't even get to my account page	[20:36]
tg2	lol	[20:36]
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tg2	they're doing the world a service.	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.0009341 = 11.4894 BTC [-]	[20:37]
mike_c	plus neither I nor google knows what brissant means.	[20:37]
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mircea_popescu	punkman there's a bug of stupid going around, they fucked up namecheap earilier.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	mike_c from french brisser, which crumbles	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	the opposite of ductility	[20:37]
mike_c	ah. my limited language skills at work.	[20:37]
tg2	that special feeling when paypal sends you an email that your account is now "restricted" and they're going to hang on to your $200k while they evaluate the situation for the next 6 months	[20:38]
tg2	at which point they may or may not give it back	[20:38]
tg2	depending on how they feel	[20:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.0009341 = 17.4677 BTC [-]	[20:38]
punkman	I just use it for small purchases here and there	[20:38]
benkay	mike_c: show me the same thing with a piece of steel a la what kicked off a recent Tesla fire.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	^	[20:38]
tg2	I'm surprised they haven't been sued into the ground yet. People are overly complacent	[20:38]
mike_c	they ran over an alternator and a tow hitch. but they were brissant.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	tg2 they settle.	[20:38]
tg2	even gox - it amazes me	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	it's actually a decent way to make a buck.	[20:39]
tg2	"oh well guys looks like we lost 500m$" "silly us"	[20:39]
benkay	what, a tow hitch is brissant?	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.055 = 0.275 BTC [+]	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	mike_c well see, there's a reason why karate guys break one foot of brick but never try half inch of cast iron pot.	[20:39]
benkay	i figured those were ductile.	[20:39]
mike_c	tow hitch: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*sHsOwbthEUip1d-CRPZcFg.gif	[20:39]
benkay	ah.	[20:39]
tg2	that concrete was likely cast for that express test	[20:39]
mike_c	actually less brissant than i thought	[20:39]
benkay	well it's still	[20:39]
benkay	steel	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	wow pretty good going with the hitch	[20:40]
benkay	ductile != brissant	[20:40]
tg2	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgOtMQcMnH0	[20:40]
ozbot	Easy Concrete Demolition, Rock Breaking, Excavating: How to Break Rocks, Concrete Easily with Dexpan	[20:40]
tg2	check that shit out	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	what's that item flyiong out after the puncture /	[20:40]
tg2	i'd like to see a tesla drive over that	[20:40]
benkay	bolt holding plates in, mircea_popescu	[20:40]
benkay	you can see the threads strip and then it wobble out	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	that's one motherfucking bolt	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	it looks like it'd barely fit a virgin ass.	[20:40]
tg2	its not a bolt	[20:41]
benkay	helluva lever arm across the width of the body	[20:41]
tg2	it's a pop pin	[20:41]
tg2	plastic pin that holds that cover on	[20:41]
benkay	a!	[20:41]
tg2	they use it in interior panels	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	ah	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5201 @ 0.0001179 = 0.6132 BTC [+] {2}	[20:41]
benkay	seems a bit inertia-y for plastic	[20:41]
benkay	should tumble and slow much more imho	[20:41]
benkay	but what do i know	[20:41]
tg2	http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/attachments/2nd-gen-tacomas/196177d1361060205-2013-access-cab-rear-headrest-removal-help-kgrhqeoknie1mznh-0ubn-1tst59g-_35.jpg	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	anyway, pretty impressive armor they got on the thing	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	what is it, some poly something ?	[20:42]
benkay	could it be a metal pop pin?	[20:42]
tg2	it oculd yes but its likely plsatic	[20:42]
benkay	it's holding in super vibrate-y al plates, though.	[20:42]
benkay	those would cut right through plastic over time.	[20:42]
benkay	plus shine, plus no tumble and maintaining the same speed as car...	[20:43]
benkay	makes me think metal.	[20:43]
tg2	here	[20:43]
tg2	http://www.factoryoemparts.com/inventory/11519807.jpg	[20:43]
tg2	you can see, that is exactly what it is	[20:43]
benkay	nigga i know what a pop pin is	[20:43]
tg2	it could be metalic	[20:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]	[20:43]
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benkay	i'm marshalling reasons why it might be metallic.	[20:43]
tg2	> bolt holding plates in, mircea_popescu	[20:43]
tg2	clearly	[20:43]
benkay	plastic pin that holds that cover on	[20:44]
benkay	a!	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	the item in the video doesn't match that jpg	[20:44]
tg2	^	[20:44]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: three shields, aluminum bar, then titanium shield, then aluminum deflector shield.	[20:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [-]	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	mike_c all metallic ? impressive	[20:44]
benkay	lipo's, yo.	[20:44]
benkay	crashed a model airplane recently, banana'd a battery.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	must be some high performance al-cu alloy	[20:45]
mike_c	re: not brissant: " provides another layer of deflection and finally causes the Model S to ramp up and over the object if it is essentially incompressible and immovable"	[20:45]
benkay	going to puncture it on a drunken weekend soon	[20:45]
mike_c	so if it doesn't crumble it causes the car to fly!	[20:45]
tg2	wifes s3 blew up while charging	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	this looks like 2618 level shit.	[20:46]
tg2	like expanded and then blew out	[20:46]
tg2	burnt the nightstand	[20:46]
tg2	next level samsung QC	[20:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00565714 = 0.5657 BTC [-] {8}	[20:46]
BingoBoingo	;;seen vexual	[20:47]
gribble	vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: lasers in the eye is never good tat	[20:47]
tg2	benkay, just charge it at 5-10x it's C rating	[20:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3639 @ 0.00094073 = 3.4233 BTC [+]	[20:47]
benkay	where's the fun in that, tg2 ?	[20:47]
benkay	'sides, risky for the charger.	[20:47]
tg2	ok ok shoot it with a firearm	[20:47]
benkay	that's another plan.	[20:48]
benkay	but firearms and booze are not my favorite combo.	[20:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00404933 = 0.4049 BTC [-] {7}	[20:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.007215 = 0.1443 BTC [-] {2}	[20:49]
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the20year2	almost .0075	[20:50]
BingoBoingo	firearms and booze are like cars and booze, best kept well apart from each other in time and space	[20:50]
benkay	!t h rent	[20:51]
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benkay	the manip is in, eh, the20year2 ?	[20:51]
the20year2	News	[20:51]
benkay	plan to let your stockholders sell at the same price as your round 2 ipo?	[20:51]
benkay	iplol	[20:51]
the20year2	i haven't had to buy a single share to increase price	[20:51]
moiety	evening	[20:51]
benkay	totally, man.	[20:51]
benkay	lo mo	[20:51]
kakobrekla	how cum the ticker aint working, this aint right.	[20:52]
benkay	!t m s.mpoe	[20:52]
benkay	!mp	[20:52]
benkay	!help	[20:52]
BingoBoingo	!t h COG	[20:52]
kakobrekla	nothing.	[20:52]
assbot	I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.	[20:52]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00092844 / 0.00093601 / 0.000944 (1677335 shares, 1,570.02 BTC), 7D: 0.00092844 / 0.00094341 / 0.00095875 (6339010 shares, 5,980.31 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086422 / 0.00096 (31068816 shares, 26,850.50 BTC)	[20:52]
assbot	Please use http://dpaste.com/	[20:52]
assbot	List of commands:	[20:52]
benkay	testing...	[20:52]
assbot	!ticker (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}	[20:52]
assbot	!last (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}	[20:52]
kakobrekla	lol	[20:52]
assbot	!mp (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)	[20:52]
assbot	!rules (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}	[20:52]
benkay	testing in production....	[20:52]
assbot	!exchanges (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}	[20:52]
assbot	!jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)	[20:52]
assbot	!bash (desc: bashes last lines to bash) {short: !b}	[20:52]
assbot	!quote (desc: quotes last lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}	[20:52]
benkay	assbarf	[20:52]
mike_c	assbot is trying to catch up to mp's line count	[20:53]
kakobrekla	havelock api is down	[20:53]
kakobrekla	or they changed ips	[20:53]
kakobrekla	or something	[20:53]
BingoBoingo	Scam	[20:53]
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kakobrekla	ping topace	[20:53]
benkay	he's not involved any more, kakobrekla	[20:53]
benkay	GOSH	[20:53]
kakobrekla	lel	[20:53]
kakobrekla	but he is their sys admin	[20:53]
kakobrekla	afaik?	[20:53]
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topace	pong	[20:54]
assbot	It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.	[20:54]
kakobrekla	something wrong wit the api?	[20:54]
kakobrekla	lol assbot	[20:54]
topace	did the IP change ?	[20:54]
topace	you had me change the hostname	[20:54]
topace	but i figured it was the same IP	[20:54]
topace	if the IP changed, then i need to modify firewall	[20:54]
kakobrekla	its the same ip	[20:54]
moiety	assbot has diarrhoea?	[20:55]
kakobrekla	lets take this to private	[20:55]
topace	k	[20:55]
BingoBoingo	!t m MNKY	[20:55]
assbot	It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.	[20:55]
moiety	lolol	[20:55]
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topace	!ticker h rent	[20:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC)	[20:56]
kakobrekla	dafuk	[20:56]
moiety	;; later tell mircea_popescu a turtle surfing seal pup?! lolol	[20:57]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:57]
kakobrekla	!t h rent	[20:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC)	[20:57]
kakobrekla	what is this nao	[20:57]
kakobrekla	benkay you are broked	[20:57]
benkay	i r broked?	[20:57]
benkay	!t h rent	[20:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00600000 / 0.00665087 / 0.00735000 (1380 shares, 9.17820480 BTC), 7D: 0.00521010 / 0.00581253 / 0.00735000 (5100 shares, 29.64390553 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00559595 / 0.00900001 (48904 shares, 273.66417474 BTC)	[20:57]
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kakobrekla	anyway, where were we	[20:58]
kakobrekla	wheelbarrows!	[20:58]
BingoBoingo	!t h COG	[20:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.03427132 / 0.08349952 (1224 shares, 41.94809170 BTC)	[20:59]
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benkay	!l h rent	[20:59]
assbot	Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.007215 BTC [-]	[20:59]
mike_c	holee shit. michael abrash is joining carmack at oculus. amazing.	[21:00]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[21:00]
mike_c	indeed assbot.	[21:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	which one is michael abrash	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	noob moiety sending later tits to present people.	[21:00]
moiety	i didnt know you were here	[21:01]
moiety	i need to read all ze log before responding	[21:01]
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mircea_popescu	all zeee logs!	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8g2bq94KG1qmo65zo1_1280.jpg	[21:02]
benkay	vile hdr	[21:03]
mircea_popescu	nice feet tho.	[21:03]
tg2	that's how you get ants	[21:04]
moiety	not so keen on that one iono why	[21:04]
BingoBoingo	www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/03/28/fundraiser-resolved/	[21:04]
joecool	hdr, throwin up rainbows now, thx	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo o hey, wd.	[21:05]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Thanks	[21:05]
BingoBoingo	Everyone is free to guess at the identity of the generous soul	[21:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1333 @ 0.00011999 = 0.1599 BTC [+]	[21:06]
moiety	ace stuff BingoBoingo :D	[21:06]
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moiety	ok! ok! jeez stop hounding me folks: MOTD http://i.imgur.com/VwcR5RS.jpg	[21:07]
mike_c	mircea_popescu: carmack and abrash were the talent & brains behind id software (doom,quake)	[21:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 407 @ 0.00211306 = 0.86 BTC [-] {7}	[21:07]
tg2	http://underview.tumblr.com/image/80990750725	[21:08]
ozbot	UNDERVIEW: Photo	[21:08]
tg2	this is a nice curated collection	[21:08]
tg2	http://underview.tumblr.com/	[21:08]
ozbot	UNDERVIEW	[21:08]
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tg2	storage:/storage 307T 252T 56T 82% /storage	[21:09]
tg2	fk gotta add more space	[21:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 626 @ 0.00200994 = 1.2582 BTC [-] {10}	[21:09]
tg2	my porn collection knows no bounds	[21:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58127506 = 2.3251 BTC [-] {3}	[21:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58100002 BTC [-]	[21:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00094073 = 19.6142 BTC [+]	[21:19]
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KRS-One	heh	[21:23]
KRS-One	.bait	[21:23]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luzcbsm8L41qz58qso1_500.jpg	[21:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07259996 = 0.2178 BTC [-] {2}	[21:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00199999 = 0.132 BTC [+]	[21:30]
tg2	;;ident	[21:31]
gribble	Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@205.204.66.35', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 31FAA963C3333333, key fingerprint BFB291FE6B88A151B3BD2F9C31FAA963C3333333, and bitcoin address None	[21:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00195015 = 0.585 BTC [-] {5}	[21:31]
tg2	.bait	[21:32]
ozbot	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0bk2zSd8z1qhntr3o1_1280.jpg	[21:32]
tg2	ozbot help	[21:32]
BingoBoingo	.help	[21:32]
ozbot	All commands can be processed in channel or in PM	[21:32]
ozbot	Commands: .bait .count .diff .earn .exchange .nethash .rates .lcrates .tslb	[21:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00094081 = 14.0181 BTC [+] {2}	[21:32]
tg2	possible to populate bait?	[21:32]
BingoBoingo	tg2: Post to tumbler?	[21:33]
tg2	tags?	[21:33]
mike_c	michael lewis' new book is about hft traders. should be interesting. (lewis=liar's poker, moneyball, the big short)	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	mike_c who was the guy with the katana ?	[21:34]
BingoBoingo	Richard Stallman?	[21:34]
mike_c	don't know, don't think it was lewis	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	nono, worked with those two, ended up making a game company which burned through 10mn of 1990s dollars to make some katana game	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	which never got made. largest vaporware story in gaming.	[21:35]
benkay	stephenson	[21:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.58100001 = 11.039 BTC [-] {2}	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	Daikatana!	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	John Romero	[21:36]
mike_c	vaporware video game must be duke nukem	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	he was the third man at id, but apparently got erased.	[21:36]
benkay	;;ticker	[21:36]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 497.12, Best ask: 497.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.48000, Last trade: 497.12, 24 hour volume: 42616.48906348, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 532.0, 24 hour vwap: 501.447744429	[21:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.58083333 = 3.485 BTC [-] {2}	[21:36]
tg2	"Flash Boys" is the name of the book	[21:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.58 = 2.9 BTC [-]	[21:37]
tg2	I just want to read some shit about through-earth data transmission	[21:38]
tg2	and i'm sure HFT will be the first place it shows up lol	[21:38]
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mike_c	BingoBoingo: it was kako.	[21:40]
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mike_c	easy blockchain sniffing.	[21:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]	[21:42]
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mike_c	not like the other day when you posted that md4 challenge and i almost fried my graphics card trying to crack it.	[21:43]
tg2	fucking ebay - i searched for lipo batteries ONCE, literally 1 session in the last year	[21:44]
tg2	my hompage is now full of rc cars	[21:44]
tg2	order $100k of surplus servers	[21:44]
tg2	not even 1 server on there	[21:44]
tg2	solid graph ebay	[21:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]	[21:47]
the20year2	Sweet, .008	[21:47]
mike_c	now the ipo is underpriced!	[21:48]
mike_c	"i"po	[21:48]
the20year2	crap, i was wrong, it was displaying asks, granted there's only about 25 shares between .0075 and .008	[21:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10572 @ 0.00094335 = 9.9731 BTC [+] {3}	[21:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00193468 = 0.4837 BTC [-] {7}	[21:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00187956 = 1.8796 BTC [-] {12}	[21:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59490453 BTC [+]	[21:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42386 @ 0.00094661 = 40.123 BTC [+] {4}	[21:58]
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mircea_popescu	http://bramcohen.livejournal.com/72298.html	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	lulzy butthurt	[22:00]
ozbot	bramcohen: Freenode sucks	[22:00]
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benkay	how ams even identity	[22:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]	[22:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 115 @ 0.00739164 = 0.85 BTC [+] {3}	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	and since we're on it,	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Freenode	[22:07]
ozbot	Freenode - Encyclopedia Dramatica	[22:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+]	[22:07]
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pLambert	what's going on with NEOBEE, why are they stopped trading?	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	it ticked a minunte ago, what stopped ?	[22:11]
pLambert	https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=NEOBEE says trading is stopped	[22:12]
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mircea_popescu	well they didn't announce it or anything.	[22:13]
pLambert	I think that is their method of announcement?	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	possibly butthurt over having shed 50% over a week and well... yet another one of those great "half your money in half a year" glbse-style things.	[22:13]
Panadol____	pankkake parseval paxtoncamaro91 Perlboy pgp phf phish Phraust pizzaman1337 pLambert PsychoticBoy Pucilowski punkman	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	pLambert i guess it must be.	[22:13]
pLambert	is ThickAsTheives still the pass-through manager for this one?	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	pt from where to where ?	[22:14]
pLambert	from direct shares to Havelock	[22:14]
pLambert	"Havelock Investments has been formally informed by the Pass-Through Fund Manager" <-- that guy	[22:15]
pankkake	yes, he is	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you actually managing neobee on hl ?	[22:17]
benkay	http://ejj.io/keybase-io-vulnerability/	[22:17]
ozbot	Keybase.io vulnerability	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	funny when the first time some webservice is taken seriously by someone	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	is simply to describe how pointless and broken it is	[22:18]
mike_c	i get cloudflare errors 75% of the time i try to go to havelock.	[22:20]
tg2	who's sysadmining over there?	[22:20]
pankkake	such protection	[22:20]
tg2	L2webscale	[22:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25162 @ 0.00094806 = 23.8551 BTC [+] {2}	[22:21]
tg2	re: rent -> The median purchase price for one single-family freestanding residential home in our areas of business stands at approximately $37,500.	[22:23]
tg2	> The majority of these kinds of homes will rent for $700 per month	[22:23]
ThickAsThieves	I am no longer involved with LMB/Neo	[22:23]
tg2	right	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	benkay check it out, @benkay is nao more famous than you are https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449585590187880448	[22:23]
ThickAsThieves	You'll need to contact Neo/LMB or Danny for any other info	[22:23]
pankkake	:o	[22:24]
benkay	wasn't via me, tho mircea_popescu, was it?	[22:24]
pLambert	then who is the Pass Through Fund Manager now?	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	LMB would be the only party with power over it	[22:25]
benkay	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2014&bots=true#588733	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	no, it was via stan.	[22:25]
pLambert	is it really a pass-through if the company is running it themself?	[22:25]
benkay	also twitter fame?	[22:25]
benkay	i think that i'll pass.	[22:25]
benkay	i'm not out of retirement yet, free to troll silicon valley all day.	[22:26]
benkay	shit i ain't even sufficiently well capitalized to go into retirement yet!	[22:26]
ThickAsThieves	the offering was always under the control of Neo, any role I was a part of was as an independent contractor	[22:26]
ThickAsThieves	sorry LMB, not Neo, technically	[22:26]
benkay	although Survant James hit a milestone recently - we now have eight full months of runway in the bank at current rates.	[22:26]
tg2	was anyone notable using zorro aes anywya lol	[22:26]
benkay	fist pump after fist pump after fist pump	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526060	[22:27]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	tg2 no.	[22:27]
benkay	lol "much as goat is not related to pirate"	[22:27]
tg2	fk a guy I fired is making 170k/yr at amazon now :'9	[22:27]
tg2	how is this even possible	[22:27]
tg2	silicon valley, pls	[22:27]
benkay	tg2: aws only hires the fired	[22:27]
benkay	nobody else is taking those jaeorbs	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	benkay i still don't get what the relation is supposed to have been. just that the guy can't stfu ?	[22:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57000003 = 2.28 BTC [-] {3}	[22:28]
benkay	was goat not a pirate pass through operator?	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	no, goat part is clear. tat/neobee part	[22:29]
pLambert	yes, he was the biggest	[22:29]
benkay	goat me	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.07803404 = 0.7803 BTC [+] {3}	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00404004 = 0.202 BTC [-] {3}	[22:29]
benkay	was not tat originally affiliated with n/b?	[22:29]
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mircea_popescu	well that's what im looking for.	[22:30]
benkay	you're the one with researchers on staff.	[22:30]
benkay	GET IT ON STAFF	[22:30]
tg2	FOLLOWERS: 14	[22:30]
tg2	quality over quantity I suppose	[22:30]
pLambert	was neobee using TAT as a way to get into the community? I feel like there were scammers that did something similar before?	[22:30]
ThickAsThieves	benkay it would depend on your definition of affliated	[22:30]
Apocalyptic	benkay, what's your relation to the paper ?	[22:31]
benkay	B=====D	[22:31]
benkay	^^ staff	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	benkay actually that log link is quite epic.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	it's all coming back to me.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	"Feb 24 21:08:44 what's going on in your head ? "	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Is that php?	[22:32]
ThickAsThieves	pLambert I'm not clear to line of your questioning as it seems somewhat speculative, but as I mentioned, the relationship from the start was a contractual one between separate parties	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	so actually tat had some sort of ipo-coupon asset (xbond) which ipo-couponed neo, and then he was running the neobee hl asset.	[22:32]
bounce	no, the more advanced facebook "hack" variety	[22:32]
benkay	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2014#526110	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	so now ThickAsThieves when exactly did you stop running it ?	[22:32]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[22:32]
benkay	ThickAsThieves:i have a contract with Neo	[22:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00094822 = 3.7929 BTC [+]	[22:32]
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benkay	BingoBoingo: phpenis	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: You ever start that blag	[22:33]
ThickAsThieves	mp, I think all I can really say at this time is that you'd need to contact LMB for more info.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	no, im contacting you for more info.	[22:34]
benkay	see that's the kinda thing that tars you with the LMB brush, ThickAsThieves	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	so, you were running an asset. why aren;'t you announcing it stopped trading, if it did	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	and why arent you announcing you're no longer running it and who is now running it, if you aren't.	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	what the hell is this, havelockism ?!	[22:35]
pankkake	:(	[22:35]
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pLambert	TAT, when did you stop running the pass-through?	[22:36]
BingoBoingo	http://gawker.com/park-slope-kids-salon-stop-calling-your-wifi-lulus-a-1553651388	[22:38]
ozbot	Park Slope Kids Salon: Stop Calling Your Wifi "LuLu's Anal Bleaching"	[22:38]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: possibilities for beautiful names are limitless. 'NSAPenalBattalion'.	[22:39]
asciilifeform	('NSAShtrafbat' for the culturally literate)	[22:40]
BingoBoingo	I remember flipping my Wifi'sname back and forth between Skynet and John Conner for some time	[22:40]
benkay	mine is surveillancevan97***	[22:40]
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mircea_popescu	NSAnalButtLion	[22:42]
mike_c	hm. Neobee halts trading, TaT is running from it.. guess this is one is diving into the dead pool.	[22:42]
mike_c	0.13 btc for the taking. http://bitbet.us/bet/762/neobee-orphaned-in-2014/	[22:43]
pankkake	cease to be traded… temporarily?	[22:43]
mike_c	i don't think temporarily counts, but it sounds like it will be permanent soon to me.	[22:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8789 @ 0.00094836 = 8.3351 BTC [+]	[22:44]
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mircea_popescu	not looking terribly good.	[22:44]
benkay	let the mods figure it out.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck some "company" slash "ceo" that can spend enough to mediabuy a small mediteranean island can't get their corp comms in working order is beyond comprehension.	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	only in bitcoin	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	somehow nobody goes to conferences tro say "hay! we're so fucking retarded, you wouldn't believe!"	[22:46]
pLambert	yeah, looks like the bet should resolve to "Yes" even for a temporary halt of trading?	[22:46]
mike_c	i don't think that's the spirit of the bet, but i don't think it matters.	[22:47]
benkay	if there were actual btc on the line, the mod who approved it might get a caning	[22:47]
BingoBoingo	;;tslb	[22:47]
gribble	Time since last block: 7 minutes and 44 seconds	[22:47]
pLambert	And Herp sees the trade stopping as a good thing: "This was probably a good move due to all the manipulation. Spamtroll manipulators had a field day recently while Neo was busy elsewhere." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.msg5956564#msg5956564	[22:48]
pankkake	yeah that made me WTF too	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	busy... elsewhere ?	[22:49]
pLambert	wait, we are the same person, pankkake, right? Why am I talking to myself?	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	kids wanna accounting-fraud their own books (which they don't keep anyway) and woe unto anyone getting in their way.	[22:49]
pankkake	:). the actual crumbs is talking to itself on the forums quite often	[22:49]
BingoBoingo	As the asshole who wrote that BitBet my though was havecocks not lasting through the end of the year	[22:50]
benkay	they're under no real pressure	[22:50]
benkay	they skim off trades, and delist when things start looking shady	[22:50]
ThickAsThieves	In case any of you missed it, Havelock has shared that "the compliance officer of Neo and Bee Ltd has stated that due to an increase of abnormal activity on the LMB share platform, there may be a high possibility of questionable trading activity. While Neo and Bee Ltd investigate the issue further they have strongly recommended that we halt trading and transfers."	[22:50]
neilol	^^ it's inconclusive	[22:51]
neilol	and to anyone saying TAT is running from this... he stepped down weeks ago	[22:51]
benkay	;;gettrust neilol	[22:51]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user neilol: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=neilol \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=neilol \| Rated since: never	[22:51]
benkay	and who are you, neilol ?	[22:51]
mircea_popescu	wait what ?!	[22:51]
ThickAsThieves	neilol, please don't speak for me	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	benkay has it basically. skim while fools flock, delist once it goes to shit, the glbse v2.0	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	higher admin effort.	[22:52]
mike_c	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-02-2014#517531	[22:52]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[22:52]
ThickAsThieves	i appreciate the effort, but you do not have facts	[22:52]
velacreations	when did TAT step down and why wasn't shareholders notified?	[22:52]
midnightmagic	mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[22:52]
midnightmagic	mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[22:52]
midnightmagic	mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[22:52]
psterryl	could it be that btcapples guy who did tons of off-market trades between LMB and Havelock?	[22:53]
benkay	velacreations: see the link of mike_c 's	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	mike_c that's the asicminer stuff neh ?	[22:53]
mike_c	23:39:35ThickAsThieves:NEOBEE is not changing operators.	[22:53]
HeySteve	hey velacreations, enjoyed your aquaponics work	[22:53]
Diablo-D3	velacreations: awhile back, and they were.	[22:53]
jurov	velacreations: paranormal activity	[22:53]
jurov	TaT was snatched by aliens	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	so wait... neobee asked havelock to halt trading because neobee suspects there's insider trading going on ?	[22:54]
pankkake	Diablo-D3: you must be confusing with AsicMiner	[22:54]
jurov	and subjected to hyperadvanced rectothermal technology	[22:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00094743 = 8.0532 BTC [-] {2}	[22:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00560863 = 2.8043 BTC [-] {10}	[22:54]
velacreations	they were, funny, I am not seeing anything pertaining to NEOBEE in that link	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	basically what happened here, the cfo ran off with a block of shares ?	[22:54]
Diablo-D3	pankkake: might be?	[22:54]
neilol	Jesus - sorry, not speaking for you TAT, didn't realize it was actually a sensitive issue	[22:54]
velacreations	that is AM, and TAT clearly says NEOBEE isn't affected	[22:54]
neilol	just a few uninformed not paying attention	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	neilol who are ye ?	[22:55]
neilol	depends on what you mean	[22:55]
neilol	no one by most accounts	[22:55]
neilol	probably	[22:55]
ThickAsThieves	the contract with LMB and our services was officially terminated today, initiated by me	[22:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07298718 = 0.5109 BTC [+] {3}	[22:56]
mike_c	so you are the one who ran away with shares?? (j/k)	[22:56]
ThickAsThieves	no	[22:56]
Duffer1	every ending, new beginning etc..	[22:56]
neilol	oh internets	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	yes well as general practice, the underwriter of a stock can't just quit, they have to leave the stock to be shepherded by someone else.	[22:56]
psterryl	has there been a hack as some people are suggesting?	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	i suppose in this case, since it's stopped trading anyway it's kind-of moot.	[22:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11128 @ 0.00094836 = 10.5534 BTC [+]	[22:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07299692 = 0.438 BTC [+]	[22:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.07805001 = 0.3122 BTC [+]	[22:57]
ThickAsThieves	mp, the current manager would now be LMB	[22:57]
velacreations	exactly, MP, how does a fund manager just "quit" without notifying the fund?	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	velacreations well, apparently he just has notified it.	[22:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07045014 = 0.7045 BTC [-] {4}	[22:58]
ThickAsThieves	the PT was always run under the authorization of LMB	[22:58]
velacreations	mp, what I mean is that he has (in the past) given advanced notice, and it was sent on official channels, like the exchange, company website, fund thread, etc	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	Hrm.	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	Hey guys.	[22:59]
benkay	ThickAsThieves: would you clearsign and pastebin something to the effect of "I am no longer affiliated with Neobee, your next point of contact is thus and such."?	[22:59]
Diablo-D3	I want you to prove I should accept Bitcoin for my business.	[22:59]
benkay	you shouldn't.	[22:59]
ThickAsThieves	benkay, is that not evident otherwise?	[22:59]
benkay	it'd be a nice precedent.	[22:59]
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jurov	^ tat, i agree	[23:00]
benkay	i could put it on my blog	[23:00]
ThickAsThieves	no problem	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	think if I start a forum thread, in dollars	[23:00]
benkay	thanks, man.	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	with a coupon code thats like	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	"votebitcoin"	[23:00]
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Diablo-D3	and say there has to be 25 uses of the code	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	before Ill accept bitcoin	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves can't hurt anything	[23:00]
Diablo-D3	people would do it?	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	;;ident ThickAsThieves	[23:00]
gribble	Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is not identified.	[23:00]
jurov	Diablo-D3: what's ur bsnss? hosting?	[23:01]
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Diablo-D3	jurov: exelion.net	[23:01]
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ThickAsThieves	gimme a few mins to auth and sign message	[23:01]
ljack	hello all	[23:01]
benkay	thanks, TAT	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	velacreations this chan is the gazette of record of all bitcoin asset matters, but that aside i agree it's not convenient for various investors etc to not get info in whatever channels and forms they prefer.	[23:01]
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jurov	Diablo-D3: US only?	[23:02]
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velacreations	mp, it's not convenient when "official news" has traditionally been given through other means	[23:03]
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mircea_popescu	i see it.	[23:03]
ljack	I hate that I missed your announcement TAT, is there any chance you will be posting it in a public place besides here?	[23:03]
Diablo-D3	jurov: only Dallas location atm.	[23:03]
benkay	ljack: i'll host it too.	[23:03]
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BingoBoingo	Oh, the whole forum is showing up	[23:04]
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ljack	lol, i never use irc. until today.	[23:05]
benkay	welcome ljack this is where the biz actually transpires.	[23:05]
ljack	i see now; ill know better in the future	[23:05]
ThickAsThieves	no one "missed" any announcement, so far as the asset was halted beforehand anyway	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	i'm bcverified now btw	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	feel free to check	[23:06]
benkay	;;ident ThickAsThieves	[23:06]
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gribble	Nick 'ThickAsThieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	my gpg is tied to the same	[23:06]
ljack	wasnt trying to insult; just read on the forums that you were no longer involved, was seeking clarification	[23:06]
benkay	would you clearsign a statement that I can host please, ThickAsThieves ?	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	please clarify "clearsign:	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	"	[23:06]
benkay	gpg clearsign	[23:07]
ljack	I purchased some of the btcapples shares, concerned about the authenticity of them	[23:07]
benkay	or bitcoin sign a message	[23:07]
ThickAsThieves	k	[23:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5705 = 1.141 BTC [+] {2}	[23:07]
benkay	sorta the same thing (sorta)	[23:07]
jurov	the text would be "I was notified of paranormal activity and decided to blabla"	[23:07]
benkay	paranormlol	[23:07]
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velacreations	of course the whole forum is here, they want to hear the news	[23:08]
ljack	I dont mind them freezing it; just want to know I didnt get burned. Guys claims they are legit though	[23:08]
neoncillo	aliens always ruining nice things, first egiptians, then mayans, now neobee	[23:08]
ljack	GreenBits from the forums btw	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	benkay you can host what ?!	[23:08]
benkay	text.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	you mean the chan log ?!	[23:09]
artifexd	While I expect that TAT will only issue an "I am no longer affiliated" type statement, adding a reason why would be nice.	[23:09]
benkay	are you not reading logs today mircea_popescu ?	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	artifexd i sort-of suspect he'd have said it by now if he perceived he could.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	benkay i am! what!	[23:09]
artifexd	Hence my expectation	[23:09]
benkay	i want a gpg signed thing!	[23:09]
neoncillo	artifexd, +1	[23:09]
benkay	logs are insufficient.	[23:09]
jurov	that's why the paranormal suggestion	[23:10]
ljack	Yeah, I dont expect to hear the whole of it	[23:10]
asciilifeform	as someone quite far from all of this, i still find it interesting just how much of the '2011 bitcoin' world is still chugging along.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	benkay no i get that part, but once he signs a gpg statement what do you need permission to host it for ?	[23:10]
asciilifeform	does the chumpatronium never run out?	[23:10]
benkay	i don't need permission to host it	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform stuff is hard.	[23:10]
benkay	i'm asking for a thing that stands on its own.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	how hard is it to simply sit on coin?	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	" would you clearsign a statement that I can host please" read to me that you want him to permit you to host it in writing lol.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	i see what you actually meant nao	[23:11]
benkay	bah no sir	[23:11]
mike_c	asciilifeform: facebook has over 1 billion users. chumpatron will never run out of fuel.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	seemed so fucking weird lol	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform question of mothers towards their young sons that got a girl pregnant, since forever :	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	"how hard is it to just sit on that cock!!1"	[23:11]
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asciilifeform	lol	[23:11]
ThickAsThieves	Address: 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk	[23:12]
jurov	!b 4	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	daugthers, idem	[23:12]
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mike_c	!b 8	[23:12]
ThickAsThieves	Message:	[23:12]
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benkay	ThickAsThieves: pastebin?	[23:12]
ThickAsThieves	sure	[23:12]
ThickAsThieves	sec	[23:12]
jurov	TaT wants to get bashed :D	[23:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 421 @ 0.00047331 = 0.1993 BTC [+] {9}	[23:13]
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asciilifeform	phacebook luserbase might pay with anal virginity, but at least they're not spending actual money	[23:13]
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mircea_popescu	seems a dubious consolation.	[23:14]
neoncillo	bitcoin/actual money, pick one	[23:14]
asciilifeform	i'm just trying to wrap my puny brain around the conundrum of why 'havelock' etc. still exist	[23:14]
benkay	a little anal always consoles me.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's easy.	[23:14]
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mircea_popescu	you know, like coloring books, nobody says they shouldn't exist, just, they should exist in a much more fucking responseible fashion	[23:15]
ThickAsThieves	Signed Announcement: http://dpaste.com/1761928/	[23:15]
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benkay	thanks, ThickAsThieves	[23:15]
mike_c	well, one way it existed until now is TaT fronted five of the funds. now he's down to zero.	[23:16]
midnightmagic	mikaeldi1e mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_	[23:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 36 @ 0.0075 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2}	[23:16]
frenchie	so you initiated the termination of your contract with neo for what reasons ?	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	mike_c which means some eager young fellow full of hope and good intentions is about to show up	[23:16]
asciilifeform	just feels like a mindfuck to wander into, e.g. leningrad hermitage and see... colouring books.	[23:17]
artifexd	ThickAsThieves Can you tell us when was the last time you had any direct communication with Danny?	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	like this fellow : https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/449558141525827584	[23:17]
ThickAsThieves	I last spoke with Danny on March 21, 2014	[23:17]
GreenBits	Im not too concerned this is a cut and run, too much capital invested at this point. But that is interesting TAT	[23:18]
mike_c	xapo will fix all these problems. they bury shit in a mountain.	[23:18]
kanzure	even if everyting is okay it is probably a good idea to terminate	[23:18]
artifexd	ty	[23:18]
kanzure	because communication channels can be compromised	[23:18]
asciilifeform	do they also bury the user in the mountain?	[23:18]
asciilifeform	you know, the fellow with the password	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mostly, their head.	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	it's just big enough to fit in a mountain.	[23:18]
mike_c	no no ascii, they have "layer on layer" of security. it'll be fine.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	mike_c aaa, but was it built from the ground up with a cock in mind ?	[23:19]
kanzure	ThickAsThieves: were the terms of your contract public?	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	wait no that's not how it went	[23:19]
asciilifeform	when do we get a mountain for burial of pgp keys?	[23:19]
benkay	it's called keybase.io, asciilifeform .	[23:19]
GreenBits	May I ask if this lack of communication contributed to your decision?	[23:20]
benkay	js-secure!	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform itd be a pretty korean thing to do, you know ? buy a mountain, sculpt the faces of great bitcoin jesuses all around, have a light at the top to represent satoshi...	[23:20]
ThickAsThieves	kanzure, no they were not	[23:20]
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frenchie	TAT: can you disclose what motivated your decision to terminate the contract ?	[23:20]
kasa32	ThickAsThieves - what made you terminate the agreement since you spoke with Danny on 21st?	[23:20]
kasa32	you had no recent communication with him	[23:21]
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mircea_popescu	frenchie kasa32 this is in the log.	[23:21]
kasa32	he didn't say	[23:21]
mike_c	he said he wouldn't say.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	no, he didn't, but he was asked.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	re: the mountain: it would at least begin to make sense if the people involved provided an actual service - say, they hold keys and try to verify that you are the meatbag the key belonged to when you walk into an anal probe chamber	[23:21]
asciilifeform	but afaik this is not what is happening	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	"try to" is not an actual service	[23:22]
asciilifeform	well i said 'begin to' make sense, rather than 'makes sense'	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	hehe that you did	[23:22]
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benkay	is NeoBee under the authority of Cypriot or EU banking regulators?	[23:23]
asciilifeform	the way that a child drawing a stick figure in mud 'begins to make sense', but a drunken hippie taking a shit onto a canvas doesn't	[23:23]
neoncillo	I think it's not since bitcoin is not money in the EU	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	benkay cyprus uses the euro. there's no such distinction really.	[23:23]
benkay	didn't think so. wiser heads, etc.	[23:23]
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jurov	benkay sure it is. they do work with euros	[23:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.00732663 = 0.696 BTC [-] {3}	[23:25]
jurov	bitcoins are supposed to be mostly the backing	[23:26]
benkay	the scam contention being that there's no way they can actually resist a haircut.	[23:26]
ThickAsThieves	The basic reason is that, with my role being largely to facilitate transfers, I could not perform my contract without guarantee it would not make me party to the trading activity under investigation. As mentioned, Neo also recommended halting all such activity as well.	[23:26]
asciilifeform	how do the mountain people decide whom to disgorge a key to?	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	that's the problem, they can't really.	[23:27]
dexX7	investigation - what timespan?	[23:27]
asciilifeform	maybe i'm thick, but it seems to reduce to a poor version of 'brainwallet' but with a 'priest'	[23:27]
mike_c	it's a sequence of steps. layers.	[23:27]
mike_c	"we’ll use multiple security layers to verify that you have authorized the request. This will initiate a sequence of secure steps to get your requested bitcoins transferred to your wallet within 24 hours."	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know, just like true love reduces to you waiting ouside the door while they do it.	[23:27]
ThickAsThieves	dexX7 I do not understand your question, but it's unlikely I have any timelines to offer at this time	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	lol@forum doing irc liveblogging	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	must suck to be stuck on the shittier platform, eh ?	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	such web. much 2.0.	[23:28]
jurov	asciilifeform maybe there's nice little sauna near the summit	[23:29]
asciilifeform	how does mountain corp. decide which 'you' is you ?	[23:29]
jurov	designated secure	[23:29]
kanzure	you're saying i should be grateful for irc? that's a funny one	[23:29]
deadweasel	are you not?	[23:29]
kanzure	i'll answer as soon as i'm done netsplitting	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	let's not be splitting the nets.	[23:30]
frenchie	thanks TAT, what's your best guess at what's happening ?	[23:30]
ThickAsThieves	frenchie, ask LMB/Neo	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	who was it that said she had called but then nobody picked up ?	[23:31]
frenchie	well that would be too easy	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	o the reuters gal.	[23:31]
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velacreations	@ThickAsThieves how long have you known about the suspicious trading issues?	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	velacreations irc highlights people when you mention their name, no need for @s and stuff.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	the 'store btc as service' folks make my brain hurt. it's as if there were suddenly chains of mega-restaurants where they pre-chew food	[23:34]
asciilifeform	and everyone seems to be eager to visit	[23:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00094902 = 20.8784 BTC [-]	[23:34]
asciilifeform	proposing that people who can't remember keys can function in civilization seems like an especially cruel lie	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	i can't remember my key, what are you on about. 4096 bits, srsly ?	[23:35]
mike_c	well, i think the service is more for those that can't secure their keys.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	not key per se	[23:35]
asciilifeform	but the key to the key	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	aha! BUT!	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	this already means you're using SOMETHING to remember your key, yes ?	[23:36]
asciilifeform	most people can remember enough key to make keeping some physical thing or other a reasonable proposition	[23:36]
asciilifeform	and, for things one can't remember (e.g. gold, disk of warez) one can remember a hiding place	[23:36]
asciilifeform	seems like a basic biological function	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	store btc as a service, if done right (like say bc.info used to do it) has its places. you go to trade some btc in ny central park, you take a blockchain url with you.	[23:37]
kasa32	can you tell us more about the letter you received from US authorities?	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	kasa32 the whole thing's published, http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/	[23:37]
kasa32	did they issue more veiled threats?	[23:38]
kasa32	since then	[23:38]
velacreations	mircea_popescu thanks, is there a way to reference their name just by clicking on it, or do I have to type it out every time?	[23:38]
asciilifeform	interestingly, it is quite feasible to memorize 4096 bits	[23:38]
mike_c	velacreations: tab-completion.	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	for instance right now to have it spit out velacreations i type out vel and hit tab	[23:38]
asciilifeform	just has to be done correctly	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	you need a client for it tho	[23:38]
asciilifeform	stage magicians do it all the time	[23:38]
asciilifeform	'mnemonists'	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i wouldn't want it in my memory anyway.	[23:39]
velacreations	thanks guys	[23:39]
asciilifeform	when i was a student, i tried to work out a way to crank reasonably-heavy rsa mentally.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	a la Trachtenberg's arithmetic	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	i wonder if there actually exists an irc client w/o autocompletion	[23:40]
asciilifeform	(trachtenberg was a mathematically-inclined fellow who ended up in auschwitz)	[23:40]
tg2	Pi to 1k only takes a few days	[23:40]
kasa32	are you afraid about US taking legal action? can they bring you to US to testify?	[23:40]
asciilifeform	'how i need a drink, alcoholic of course, after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics.'	[23:40]
tg2	and then repeat every 2x the previous time frame	[23:40]
asciilifeform	now everyone here will remember 15 digits, for life.	[23:41]
tg2	Sec can't do much out of the us	[23:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07005 = 0.2802 BTC [-] {3}	[23:42]
kanzure	asciilifeform: yes i'm sure there's someone, somewhere, doing rsa in head	[23:42]
benkay	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/28_havelock-freezes-neobee-trading-thickasthieves-steps-down-as-fund-manager.html	[23:42]
ozbot	Havelock Freezes NEOBEE Trading, ThickAsThieves Steps Down as Fund Manager	[23:42]
*	bounce basically never uses autocompletion. currently maybe not even bound to a key.	[23:42]
jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21mgmt/havelock_investments_halts_trading_for_neo_bee/ here too	[23:42]
*	benkay goes back to building docker images	[23:42]
asciilifeform	mental rsa would be the ultimate in authentication.	[23:42]
asciilifeform	even if not for encipherment	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	kasa32 these are civil proceedings.	[23:43]
tg2	Well, as long as babikian is still hanging out without reprimand	[23:43]
benkay	jurov: a link to my post there would be neat	[23:43]
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kanzure	benkay: do you use plover to build docker stuff	[23:43]
tg2	After frauding billions in penny stocks	[23:43]
benkay	;;google plover docker	[23:44]
tg2	I wouldn't be worried about SEC asking for info	[23:44]
gribble	Kohl's Plover, WI, 54467 - YP.com: ; Kohl's Department Store - Plover WI 54467 \| 715-344-0480 \| Bed ...: ; pyvideo.org - PyCon US 2013:	[23:44]
bounce	rsa gets impractical quickly on paper, much less mentally. might look into that crypto by pack of cards thing though.	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	benkay if they're not dockers, they're just pants.	[23:44]
kanzure	benkay: plover is like veewee except less awful	[23:44]
kanzure	benkay: the box builder automation stuff	[23:44]
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benkay	kanzure: link me?	[23:44]
asciilifeform	bounce: you'd want something like 'napier's bones'	[23:44]
kanzure	bounce: do you have a link for that?	[23:44]
kanzure	benkay: i dunno, http://mmckeen.net/blog/2013/12/27/advanced-docker-provisioning-with-packer/	[23:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20172 @ 0.00095324 = 19.2288 BTC [+] {2}	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	kanzure you the comedy central guy ?	[23:45]
benkay	kanzure: packer you mean	[23:45]
bounce	I'd have to dig	[23:45]
kanzure	mircea_popescu: huh? probably not. i don't know who you are referring to.	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	a bryan bishop fellow.	[23:45]
kanzure	benkay: that link is a good one for explaining it	[23:45]
asciilifeform	wait, bishop?	[23:45]
kanzure	mircea_popescu: interesting. there's a few people showing up with my name. i want them gone.	[23:45]
kanzure	mircea_popescu: there's also this person from theverge with my name.. sigh.	[23:46]
asciilifeform	kanzure: i think you used to work with a chum of mine from uni	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	well iirc this guy had some sort of cancer, so you might get your wish	[23:46]
benkay	kanzure: nope. clients don't need all that.	[23:46]
bounce	breaking mirrors is bad luck, don't you know	[23:46]
asciilifeform	kanzure: mike w.	[23:46]
kanzure	asciilifeform: nice, wittig?	[23:46]
asciilifeform	him!	[23:46]
asciilifeform	ol	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:46]
asciilifeform	lol	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	"come to -assets. only a coupla hundred people here, but you probably have friends in common"	[23:46]
kanzure	asciilifeform: that was a long time ago	[23:46]
kanzure	asciilifeform: 2008	[23:46]
asciilifeform	yeah	[23:46]
kanzure	asciilifeform: and they didn't put me on the paper anyway	[23:47]
asciilifeform	kanzure: chemical modelling?	[23:48]
bounce	oh right, "solitaire (cipher)", bruce schneier vehicle for the cryptonomicon	[23:49]
kanzure	asciilifeform: dna logic gate stuff	[23:49]
asciilifeform	kanzure: you still in that business?	[23:49]
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kanzure	asciilifeform: i moved into non-academic garage biology stuff	[23:49]
asciilifeform	good move	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	gotta save that one for when anyone asks what's in my fridge.	[23:50]
kanzure	see ##hplusroadmap	[23:50]
kanzure	projects like http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/nucleic/fbi-diybio-dna-v1.pdf	[23:50]
asciilifeform	kanzure: neato. once worked with the 'abi 394' pictured on the 8th slide.	[23:52]
Duffer1	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/swiss-labs-to-host-olympics-for-robot-assisted-athletes-in-2016/	[23:52]
ozbot	Zurich 2016: First "Cybathlon" is fine with "technology doping" \| Ars Technica	[23:52]
kanzure	asciilifeform: terrible piles of crap, aren't they?	[23:52]
asciilifeform	quite!	[23:52]
kanzure	there's no good reason these machines should cost so much	[23:52]
asciilifeform	the plexiglass one - how are you pumping? SAW resonator?	[23:53]
kanzure	if machine price goes down then synthesis costs can be tweaked	[23:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.0009549 = 10.8859 BTC [+]	[23:53]
kanzure	well that was an old presentation	[23:53]
kanzure	i've since determined that microfluidics is not the best way for now	[23:53]
kanzure	ideally you should limit the number of stupid-hard problems you are solving simultaneously..	[23:53]
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asciilifeform	how is microfluidics a hard problem?	[23:54]
kanzure	well to do dna synthesis on the scale that i want it, you need hundreds or thousands of microfluidic gates	[23:54]
kanzure	and then you need to bother with photolithography and all sorts of other issues	[23:54]
kasa32	US has authority to arrest you and bring you to the US. They have done this before. Just check Liberty Reserve incident	[23:54]
asciilifeform	slide deck must be ancient. co2 laser for 10,000 ?	[23:54]
kanzure	hah	[23:55]
kasa32	you may want to prepare yourself for that scenario	[23:55]
asciilifeform	1990s?	[23:55]
kanzure	that might have been for a new laser	[23:55]
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asciilifeform	it's ~1k today	[23:55]
kanzure	it's entirely possible that i suck at sourcing	[23:55]
asciilifeform	the only way to get good at sourcing is to pay with one's lunch money	[23:56]
asciilifeform	teaches quickly.	[23:56]
kanzure	sure. yeah i'm done with grants/whatever. just use my own bucks.	[23:56]
kanzure	not worth my time	[23:56]
asciilifeform	much easier, but very similar problem - home ic fab	[23:57]
asciilifeform	i intend to get there. one day.	[23:57]
kanzure	right.. so some friends and i were putting together an idea for using lasers to build microfluidic chips.	[23:57]
kanzure	http://diyhpl.us/laser_etcher/laser_etcher/	[23:57]
ozbot	laser etcher	[23:57]
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asciilifeform	40w tube readily cuts glass	[23:57]
asciilifeform	cut channels, then fuse	[23:57]
kanzure	need about 10-50 micron channel widths	[23:57]
asciilifeform	not hard if you can get the beam sweet spot	[23:58]
kanzure	but again i think this approach is probably bad; why not just build a bigger version like the traditional machines	[23:58]
kanzure	and once it's working, start ripping away and downsizing	[23:58]
kanzure	there was this oligo arrayer open source project that did it for ~$20k	[23:58]
kanzure	http://bioinformatics.org/pogo/	[23:58]
ozbot	The POSAM Inkjet Microarrayer	[23:58]
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