Forum logs for 27 Jan 2019
| diana_coman: | mircea_popescu, perhaps re clocks though I keep thinking that the cheap ones were as clocks as current smartphones are computers | [04:16] |
| diana_coman: | Mocky_, congrats I guess. | [04:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, for a long time the movements in cheap and expensive clocks were ~same, with mostly a difference of fineness, precision of machining, to distinguish them. | [04:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | much like lenses, really, the difference between a very expensive and a very cheap glass wasn't substantial, both made of polished glass. but much different in implementation, made of complicatedly boiled glass hand polished over months or not. | [04:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | this is obviously an approximation, and it holds as well as it holds. but what can you do. | [04:30] |
| diana_coman: | I suppose the argument is that they still were the same thing i.e. that the fineness & precision differences were not so crucial as to make the result essentially something else I can see it as such and fwiw that'd have been the default way to see it - if not for all the experience of "things that people call X and supposedly is made out of same things as X but different in implementation" | [08:15] |
| diana_coman: | anyways, I'm not pushing this strongly as "this is how I actually think it was" - as I said previously, I don't think I know enough to have much to say either way | [08:15] |
| asciilifeform: | guten morgen mircea_popescu , diana_coman | [10:23] |
| * diana_coman | waves | [10:23] |
| asciilifeform: | i cannot resist to throw some petrol in the clocks fire : in the national museum in washingtonistan, i saw a matchbox-sized (1990s) device claiming to be miniaturized cesium clock. why the item aint available for a few bux from middlekingdom, however, remains to me a mystery. ( possibly in fact sham or possibly some other explanation. ) | [10:25] |
| asciilifeform: | fwiw a standard commercial cesium clock sells 2ndhand for about 2/3 of what bolix did.. | [10:26] |
| * asciilifeform | doesn't have 1 here, given as never yet perceived any pressing need for such thing | [10:27] |
| asciilifeform: | https://archive.is/9W8vS << typical subj unit. | [10:28] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: Could be China doesn't publish their national security export restricted list? | [11:55] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: i've nfi | [12:02] |
| BingoBoingo: | I have no concrete idea, but the gulf in quality between export grade chinese tooling and domestic chinese tooling is suggestive | [12:10] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: from experience, i know that one can get decent-quality items built in cn if one simply ~pays for it~ | [12:11] |
| asciilifeform: | the xyz-pnoje-etc people -- do not pay for it, simply. | [12:12] |
| BingoBoingo: | There's also the excellent Chicom crescent wrench acquired from tienda inglesa which surpases the quality of "crescent" brand crescent wrenches available commercially in USistan | [12:13] |
| asciilifeform: | BingoBoingo: was speaking of the variant where you contact manufacturer and upload toolings etc. and pay. rather than konsoomer retail. | [12:14] |
| BingoBoingo: | AHA, but still even when china is shitting out products whether or not people ask quality varies and the US does not appear to recieve the best | [12:15] |
| asciilifeform: | lol wai would it. | [12:15] |
| BingoBoingo: | Why would Israel, "US Greatest Ally" still be recognzing Maduro in conflict with loud US delusions? Meteorology is an art. | [12:19] |
| asciilifeform: | lol i missed this | [12:20] |
| BingoBoingo: | asciilifeform: I'm digging through stuff and apparently Israel doesn't have a strong opinion on Vzla regime change is the US isn't going to have a strong opinion on Syria regime change seems to be the sentiment. | [12:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | https://fetlife.com/users/9060666 << meanwhile in items of doubtful interest, "VulpesTwice 20F Domme". | [12:22] |
| asciilifeform: | lol ben_vulpes ex ?! | [12:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | muchly doubt it. | [12:22] |
| asciilifeform: | ( twice-ex ??!11 ) | [12:22] |
| BingoBoingo: | Nice uid | [12:23] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in sneap peeks, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rXJ9o/?raw=true << current draft of m-r litmus. | [14:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ corrected in re diana_coman thread and no longer relies on the squaring limit conjecture mentioned earlier. | [14:17] |
| asciilifeform: | 2.541s / 4096b. input. | [14:18] |
| asciilifeform: | will be interesting to test on '9000' koch-generated primes, and see if any... aint | [14:20] |
| phf: | b | [14:27] |
| asciilifeform: | wb phf | [14:27] |
| phf: | still alive, been keeping up with the logs, but not much else | [14:28] |
| phf: | unfortunately i failed to make careful note of various vpatch appearances. there's been some by people other than asciilifeform and diana_coman where the author didn't explicitly request a btcbase upload. so if anyone's explicitly missing a vpatch that they want to be up on btcbase, please leave note with me, privmsg also works | [14:30] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: canhaz ch15 snarf plox ? | [14:30] |
| phf: | si | [14:31] |
| feedbot: | http://trilema.com/2019/corydon/ << Trilema -- Corydon | [14:43] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: up to date | [14:49] |
| asciilifeform: | ty phf ! | [14:53] |
| mircea_popescu: | they were some pretty thick logs, at that. | [14:55] |
| phf: | i don't understand how anyone can read the logs with one eye, this shit's exponential: i'm behind on ffa, so the recent work on e.g. gcd or miller-rabin is particularly slow going. | [15:10] |
| asciilifeform: | eh, gcd is what, 100ln. | [15:11] |
| asciilifeform: | arguably barrett is the heavy ch., the algo in the given form dun appear anywhere else (e.g. knuth) and so reqs eating the included proof. | [15:14] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: on other front entirely, you may find interesting, asciilifeform built an xray machine, some time in coming weeks when i get coupla otherwise free hrs, will take pics of the bolix.. | [15:16] |
| asciilifeform: | ( to go with the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2913 item ) | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | the problem with knowledge : as reality scales with the set, knowledge scales with the powerset. not even calling it exponential does it justice. | [15:16] |
| asciilifeform: | ( also possibly of phf interest, the scsi replacement gadget is an a++ win, full docs at http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943 ) | [15:17] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: yeap, i've been keeping up with what you've been publishing on the subject. i'm looking forward to your xray results, i mean that's not something i thought would be doable at home, even if a home lab | [15:23] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: eh it's just pcb xray, not micrograph of ic | [15:24] |
| phf: | oh oh | [15:24] |
| asciilifeform: | micrograph, seems , will prolly have to wait until i get actual microscope here. | [15:24] |
| phf: | i would not have been surprised though.. | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | it is, mind-bogglingly, cheaper than having it done by other hands, even chinese. | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu: | just don't hurt yourself. | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | i was similarly astonished by how much the xray people wanted for ~1~ piddling pic | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | ( ~3k ! ) | [15:25] |
| asciilifeform: | printing press , evidently, sent prices for various r&d service through the roof. | [15:27] |
| mircea_popescu: | well, one possible explanation is "the smartphone revolution" : it managed to make say a butler overexpensive through the simple application of "why should i practice being stiff when i could just catpic all day". conceivably, if it managed to reduce the butler population to practical zero, it might've reduced others too. | [15:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | ~nobody left that does work, because nobody left that can work, because nobody left that even knows what work fucking looks like. | [15:30] |
| asciilifeform: | that's gotta be it, i cant think how else. | [15:32] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b | [18:06] |
| a111: | 1 result for "0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b | [18:06] |
| asciilifeform: | ah hrm already in log. | [18:06] |
| asciilifeform: | http://www.loper-os.org/pub/advprimes/index.html << perma-mirror of subj lul. | [18:13] |
| asciilifeform: | http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rk4Qe/?raw=true << ascii snapshot of same. | [18:14] |
| asciilifeform: | ^ mircea_popescu , diana_coman , possibly other aficionados ^ | [18:15] |
| asciilifeform: | ( tldr : d00d generated 'threaded cock for smart arse' composites that break various heathen m-r proggies | [18:16] |
| asciilifeform: | ) | [18:16] |
| asciilifeform: | incl. openssl, gmp, etc. | [18:18] |
| asciilifeform: | apparently not only do the derps use prng for generating witness, but they seed it ~with the candidate n~ | [18:18] |
| asciilifeform: | pretty ham-handed, imho, 'nobus'ism. | [18:19] |
| asciilifeform: | ( aug 14, 2018 ) | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu: | pretty lulzy. you gonna take an article off once you publish to show off both his tests and your results ? | [18:23] |
| asciilifeform: | naturally | [18:23] |
| asciilifeform: | ( already fed his N's to mine, it -- unsurprisingly -- does Right Thing ) | [18:23] |
| asciilifeform: | '...we construct a 1024-bit composite that is guaranteed to be declared prime by the GNU GMP library [Gt18] for anything up to and including 15 rounds of testing (the recommended minimum by GMP). This is as a result of GNU GMP initialising its PRNG to a static state and consequently using bases in its Miller-Rabin testing that depend only on n, the number being tested. We also show how base selection by randomly sampling from a fixed | [18:25] |
| asciilifeform: | list of primes, as in Apple’s corecrypto library...' etc | [18:25] |
| asciilifeform: | m-r is actually not easy to fuck up, but these folx tried hard, and -- succeeded... | [18:27] |
| asciilifeform: | the're 'pros', see , they get 'donations' from microshit etc. and aaapparently ~this~ is whatfor. | [18:28] |
| mircea_popescu: | the fucking gall of these imbecile schmucks, then turning around going "oh, you shouldn't amateur" | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | yeah, right. because there is such a thing as experts, and the femstate spawns them. | [18:29] |
| asciilifeform: | no amateur can ever hope to equal this 'virtuosity' | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | exercises in narrative fiction for the fat and the dizzy. | [18:29] |
| asciilifeform: | they're... 'experts'. of a kind. (in obfuscated-c, for instance.) | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu: | experts in narrative fiction. | [18:31] |
| asciilifeform: | diana_coman: coupla of the authors of linked item are at uni of london. think you can get at'em ? | [18:31] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i can't resist to bite : what's 'non-narrative' fiction ? | [18:32] |
| asciilifeform: | sounds like 'oily oil' | [18:32] |
| asciilifeform: | 'wet water' | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in other news, http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-images-no-longer-showing/ rather effectual in that bw usage dropped ~55% directly. | [18:32] |
| mircea_popescu: | cheaper than buying another pipe, that's for damn sure. | [18:33] |
| asciilifeform: | only 55?! must be some clever bot people ? | [18:33] |
| asciilifeform: | i expected moar like 99+ | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform a narrative is a set of interconnected events. as long as no interconnectedness is proposed, it's not a narrative, whether fictitious or factual. so you could say a painting is plastic fiction (while a photography plastic realism). cuz they're not narrative. | [18:34] |
| asciilifeform: | a aa. | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | asciilifeform well no, but lots of people ~actually look~ at those images and so on. | [18:34] |
| mircea_popescu: | there's of course an abundance of http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-25-jan-2019#2513229 but as much as 15 maybe even 20% of the clickers simply do the right thing, go to trilema./ | [18:35] |
| a111: | Logged on 2019-01-26 04:57 mircea_popescu: and i'm cordially invited to sponsor his delusion. and if i opt not to, he will... RETRY. | [18:35] |
| asciilifeform: | makes sense. | [18:36] |
| asciilifeform: | evidently there are still meat-people on net, somewhere. | [18:36] |
| mircea_popescu: | not a particularly high bar, that. | [18:36] |
| asciilifeform: | somewhat high bar they found trilema, rather than lolcattube etc | [18:37] |
| mircea_popescu: | "set an env variable" not quite the last word in terms of http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/#selection-231.1-231.42 "technololols" | [18:38] |
| asciilifeform: | 'If either LibTomMath or TomsFastMath are selected, the pseudoprimes described in Section 4.9 (see Appendix I) will always be declared prime by the primality test.' << for the innocent : 'tommath' is 1 of those 'independent, not openssl' arithmetrons... | [18:39] |
| asciilifeform: | or, in better-known turdolade, 'The Go programming language (GoLang) 1.10.3 [Goo18] created at Google in 2009 is an open source project including arbitrary-precision arithmetic and cryptographic functionality... ...the pseudorandom number generator used in this primality test is seeded with the tested number n.' | [18:40] |
| feedbot: | http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/27/pizarro-update-january-27th-2019/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro Update January 27th 2019 | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in other "holy shit, the world has changed!" items : http://trilema.com/2012/slabiti-ma-cu-romali-romales-si-alte-cacaturi/#selection-41.98-41.353 | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu: | the original said "The French don't like being famous for their incapacity of being on time ? Let them fix their watches somehow to the same hour, so they quit going about Paris, apparent adults, with half hour's delta among what their watches show. " and i'm willing to attest even as late as LAST DECADE this was a factual state of affairs. | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu: | nowadays, smartphones are within half a second of each other -- jobs fixed paris timekeeping! | [19:06] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: for extra lulz: they drift like hell if denied gsm ( tested with own hands ) | [20:16] |
| mircea_popescu: | oya | [20:17] |
| mircea_popescu: | shittier oscillator on-board than ye olde ibm-pc | [20:17] |
| asciilifeform: | ( jobs, evidently, didn't spring for the 25ppm xtal.. ) | [20:17] |
| asciilifeform: | for extra mindfuck : the primary xtal in the bolix ( valpey-fisher vf155 ) is a <1ppm txco. | [20:21] |
| asciilifeform: | ( unlike in any pc i've met to date ) | [20:21] |
| mircea_popescu: | nuts. | [20:21] |
| asciilifeform: | ( apparently firm existed until '11, even. largely military/usgistic market. ) | [20:22] |
| asciilifeform: | *tcxo | [20:24] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl,meat | [20:25] |
| asciilifeform: | http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JwcYx/?raw=true << updated m-r. | [21:59] |
| feedbot: | http://trilema.com/2019/freddy-got-fingered/ << Trilema -- Freddy Got Fingered | [22:01] |
| feedbot: | http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-march-april-and-may-1715-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of March, April and May, 1715. - Part IV. | [22:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | meanwhile in russki sluts, https://i1.wp.com/www.domnuroz.ro/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/anastasiya-kabanova-1600x900.jpg | [23:19] |
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