Forum logs for 27 Aug 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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BlueMeanie4 | a future is similar, but it delivers the actual asset and the price is paid down in full | [00:52] |
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BlueMeanie4 | so an option is the ABILITY not the OBLIGATION to buy | [00:52] |
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BlueMeanie4 | a FUTURE is pre-paying for an asset | [00:52] |
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mircea_popescu | o hai. | [00:52] |
BlueMeanie4 | so i would do a small BTC future just for kicks | [00:53] |
xmj | BlueMeanie4: which is what I understood danielpbarron meant. | [00:54] |
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mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal: There once was a she named Priscilla << but it' | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | s not a woman. it's a chinchilla | [00:54] |
BlueMeanie4 | 'buy BTC at a preset price in the future' is an option | [00:54] |
xmj | nop | [00:54] |
xmj | it doesn't specify that you have the right not to buy said amount of BTC. | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika aite, let's see here. | [00:55] |
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BlueMeanie4 | you should try to conform to common terminology- makes it easier for people to get invovled | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 well it doesn't help that he doesn;'t really know the common terminology. | [00:59] |
BlueMeanie4 | a good book. http://www.amazon.com/International-Financial-Markets-J-Orlin-Grabbe/dp/0444015981 | [01:00] |
assbot | The International Financial Markets: 9780444015983: Economics Books @ Amazon.com | [01:00] |
BlueMeanie4 | the author is right up your guys alley | [01:00] |
mircea_popescu | what alley is that ? | [01:00] |
BlueMeanie4 | the one in the backside of the NYSE where hookers hang out? | [01:01] |
BlueMeanie4 | have you ever read J. Orlin Grabbe? | [01:01] |
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BlueMeanie4 | Options and Futures are pretty simple | [01:04] |
BlueMeanie4 | not hard to learn, but the complex structured instruments are not that easy to figure out | [01:04] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika here you go : http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A | [01:06] |
assbot | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 yes, actually. | [01:06] |
BlueMeanie4 | he's pretty *intense* | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | he was with the laissez faire troop neh ? | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | died in cr ? | [01:08] |
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mircea_popescu | !up BlueMeanie4 | [01:09] |
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mircea_popescu | listen, you got to get in the wot if you keep coming by. | [01:09] |
BlueMeanie4 | im in the wot | [01:09] |
BlueMeanie4 | just did it | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ident BlueMeanie4 | [01:10] |
gribble | Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is identified as user 'BlueMeanie4', with GPG key id DCB374BF51587535, key fingerprint 1FD273800859479EAE7577ADDCB374BF51587535, and bitcoin address None | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 Marx sez : never trust a capitalist. | [01:10] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded. | [01:10] |
antonosika | mircea_popescu: Thanks for writing the contract, my take is that you see no way of making it possible for me to avoid waiting till september 2015 for the eth and avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade? | [01:10] |
BlueMeanie4 | thanks to Daniel btw | [01:10] |
BlueMeanie4 | so who adjudicates the contracts? | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika "avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade" << what;s this mean ? | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 you ever read up on the fabulous adventure of teh rota ? | [01:11] |
BlueMeanie4 | dont believe i have | [01:11] |
BlueMeanie4 | but did read a bit on JOGs death in CR | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | it's lulzy. http://trilema.com/category/rota/ << read those, ask me again. | [01:11] |
assbot | Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | <<< lived in cr until 2007ish | [01:11] |
antonosika | mircea_popescu: I deem that ethereum will trade in 100 btc in one year, but in the chance that it does not I have an infinite loss of capital (which is a lot since I dont have much). | [01:12] |
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mircea_popescu | antonosika kinda the purpose of these contracts. | [01:12] |
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antonosika | well purpose is that you buy eth cheaply in one year though... | [01:12] |
mircea_popescu | the purpose is to gain exposure to eth. you can't have the exposure without the exposure. | [01:13] |
antonosika | how about you donate the 3 btc to something nice if contract fails ? | [01:13] |
antonosika | Both of us win... | [01:13] |
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mircea_popescu | i donate to whatever the hell i feel like with or without that contract lol | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | recall, im the openbsd guy. | [01:13] |
rybro | tell me eth is ethanol and not ethereum | [01:14] |
TomServo | !b 7 | [01:15] |
mircea_popescu | no, it's ethereum | [01:15] |
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rybro | yeah i knew it :P | [01:16] |
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antonosika | Ehum I want to make deals with nice people. | [01:17] |
rybro | seems like they do cool stuff by why so shady | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | because they only claim to do cool stuff. anyone can claim to do cool stuff. | [01:17] |
antonosika | I deposit 3 btc to you. Isn't it fair that we decide something nice that happens with it if there is a large delay of ETH currency? | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika that approach to business will ensure you'll squander whatever little capital you have. | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | best idea is to work with smart people. | [01:17] |
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mircea_popescu | "nice" people are rarely worth the price of a decent burial, clothes included, and i very much doubt they ever should be. | [01:18] |
antonosika | Smart people have good values, so If you have a good suggestion of what to donate my btc to I would regard you as smarter | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | o you would, would you. | [01:19] |
antonosika | I'm really interested, what is your philosophy on life? | [01:20] |
BlueMeanie4 | Mircea, totally agree | [01:21] |
rybro | total logical fallacy man, unless you define what 'good' people are for all parties involved there are definitely going to be differences in opinion on what a 'good' person is and what a good action is on their part | [01:21] |
mircea_popescu | http://pastebin.com/fb3v4nFL << kakobrekla i see yours and i raise you wtf is this shit. | [01:21] |
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rybro | everyone is too brainwashed to have principles anyway | [01:21] |
BlueMeanie4 | well as we say in NY | [01:21] |
mircea_popescu | rybro he's talking nice not good. | [01:21] |
BlueMeanie4 | PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS | [01:21] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika my philosophy in life is that all ills arise from people like you having any money and any voice, basically. | [01:22] |
mircea_popescu | what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot. | [01:22] |
rybro | wouldn't nice be just as subjective as good ? | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | rybro nah, it's worse. | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | good is a matter of reason at least to some degree. nice is pure sensata crapolade. | [01:23] |
BlueMeanie4 | what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.< we also have another phrase , getting 'Gypped' | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | a point established by considering that one has to reason to discover the good, whereas one just "feels" the nice. which approach is exactly why nice rather than good, why all that intellectual effort | [01:24] |
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rybro | lol | [01:24] |
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rybro | all i can think of is susan korman and that pink ribbon breast cancer thing | [01:24] |
antonosika | mircea_popescu: My approach is definitely not "feels good" nice | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika well then you get a free pass. | [01:24] |
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antonosika | mircea_popescu: But, do you have a definition of deeds that are the opposite of ill? | [01:25] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 well it's not necessarily defined, but to me gypped is the inverse process : when some lout appropriates capital he shouldn't have. | [01:25] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika lessee, maybe this is relevant to your interests http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/ | [01:25] |
assbot | Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [01:25] |
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BlueMeanie4 | 'shouldnt have' according to whom? | [01:26] |
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BlueMeanie4 | my guess is the one who lost the capital | [01:26] |
mircea_popescu | well that's where it gets iffy. | [01:26] |
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BlueMeanie4 | thats where it gets gyppy :) | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [01:27] |
antonosika | I would not donate to charity. But anyhow, if you deem some things as ill (such as charity) some people do things that are not ill (like you for example?) what would such deeds be? | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | "Media coverage of new technologies is always governed by an inexorable cycle: First comes the hyping, then comes the trashing. Of late, the Net has so accelerated this cycle that the trashing kicks in well before the hype has stopped — sometimes creating a conflict of views that looks suspiciously like genuine debate." | [01:28] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.salon.com/1997/03/06/straight_59/ << dude check out salon in 1997, back before it was hiring college dropouts for a hamburger. | [01:28] |
assbot | Let's Get This Straight: March 1997 archives - Salon.com | [01:28] |
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mircea_popescu | antonosika you generally can't expect a summary of such things be presented to you on demand. there's about 2 years worth of logs here and >5 of trilema articles, you'll have to go through all that to find your own answer. | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | As companies like Pointcast, Marimba’s Castanet, Backweb, Intermind and others flock to seize “push” market-share, they have been feted by the business press, welcomed by media companies who hope “push” will help them make money, even lauded by Wired magazine as “the radical future of media beyond the Web.” <<< all winners :D | [01:30] |
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mircea_popescu | In August 1998, PointCast found such a partner. In order to compete with @Home, a consortium of telephone companies and Microsoft put together a project designed to promote use of DSL in preference to cable modems. <<< has there EVER been a technology battle where ms fell on the right side ? | [01:32] |
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antonosika | Well you said that it would be better if I had no money or voice since I will never do anything good. It feels like that gives a rather strict definition of good. | [01:33] |
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antonosika | If I read logs or articles I don't know what things have any "value" and what are just writings. | [01:34] |
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mircea_popescu | well this problem is chiefly reflective of you not having done a lot of it yet. | [01:34] |
antonosika | At least your philosphy doesnt sound like nihilism | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | you can't start by doing good. you start by doing work, a lot of it, then you see. | [01:34] |
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antonosika | Ehum, any guidelines? | [01:35] |
mircea_popescu | nope. | [01:35] |
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antonosika | Ok... | [01:35] |
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antonosika | ;;gettrust mircea_popescu | [01:36] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user antonosika to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=antonosika&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011 | [01:36] |
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mircea_popescu | http://supremelaw.org/sls/email/box081/msg08181.htm | [01:36] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you know, a complete collection of grabbe would probably be useful at this point. he doesn't seem to have any web exposure. | [01:36] |
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mircea_popescu | you still got those usenet archives ? | [01:36] |
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mircea_popescu | in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/11/maily-serenablair-31808/images/full/12.jpg | [01:40] |
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antonosika | mircea_popescu: Anyways, one thought on doing more good is to make it easier for those naive souls (as myself) who want to understand to learn. | [01:44] |
mircea_popescu | !up BitMarmot | [01:45] |
-assbot- | You voiced BitMarmot for 30 minutes. | [01:45] |
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BitMarmot | Ayo | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | !up rdekley | [01:45] |
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mircea_popescu | BitMarmot are you really a marmot ? | [01:45] |
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antonosika | But at least I can do business with you. | [01:45] |
fluffypony | <- really a pony | [01:45] |
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mircea_popescu | antonosika nothing easy's worth doing. | [01:45] |
BitMarmot | Ask danielpbarron | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony that we know :D | [01:45] |
antonosika | How do I sign the contract? | [01:45] |
BitMarmot | I am also a USG_Press_Machine from time to time | [01:45] |
fluffypony | antonosika: just send me your private key | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika you don't have to sign it, if you pay it stands. | [01:45] |
fluffypony | and I'll sort it out | [01:45] |
thestringpuller | ;;gettrust BitMarmot | [01:45] |
BitMarmot | Will do it this weekend | [01:46] |
BitMarmot | Just swinging by to say hello | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot usg press machine was a better nick. this bitblabla stuff is a cancer. | [01:46] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [01:46] |
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thestringpuller | why is gribble being dumb | [01:46] |
fluffypony | .nick BitPony ? | [01:46] |
BitMarmot | agreed, but I figured the marmot peg was the best way to illustrate the sheer stupidity of what was going on with BTSX | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller it's not being dumb, it's being absent | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | btsx ? | [01:47] |
BitMarmot | Of everything I've written I figured MP probably approved of my most recent work the most | [01:47] |
BitMarmot | BitShares X | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | o that. heh. | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot link ? | [01:47] |
BitMarmot | two ticks | [01:47] |
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BitMarmot | http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/17/dont-walk-away-run/ | [01:47] |
antonosika | mircea_popescu: Is there a way for me to show that I paid? | [01:47] |
assbot | BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run | Preston Byrne | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | "wait a tick, wait a tick... i will not ruin this sketch for a pound" | [01:47] |
BitMarmot | http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/24/what-goes-up/ | [01:48] |
assbot | BitSharesX: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence | Preston Byrne | [01:48] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika well if a payment as specified makes it to the address specified before time specified, you have. | [01:48] |
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mircea_popescu | BitMarmot myeah. the many advantages for the general public of the sec demuring instead of taking its fucking place in the world. | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | a well. | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | but yes, i will definitely push for prosecution of the current set of sec comissioners for having failed to take the hand i extended to them last year. | [01:51] |
BitMarmot | I mean, I don't exactly look forward to the day seeing as I'm meant to be hanged | [01:52] |
BitMarmot | But apparently I am not beyond saving | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | what's so bad about hanging ? | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | you at least get to come. | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | yet another way nature disadvantages women. | [01:52] |
BitMarmot | ben_vulpes:danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | !up BlueMeanie4 | [01:52] |
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antonosika | ;;ident mircea_popescu | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4 | [01:53] |
BlueMeanie4 | I think the SEC is aware of what Vitalik and Bitshares are doing, but theyre biding their time | [01:53] |
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gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BlueMeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BlueMeanie4 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BlueMeanie4 | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014 | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 if you id with gribble and pm assbot !up you can just up yourself. | [01:53] |
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BlueMeanie4 | wow this system is confusing as hell | [01:54] |
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BlueMeanie4 | its pretty clear that Ethereum and Bitshares were fundraisers | [01:54] |
BlueMeanie4 | and i really appreciate your points in that article BitMarmot | [01:54] |
BitMarmot | Thanks BlueMeanie4 - I do this for a living so looked at BitShares for 20 minutes and was like, "does not compute" | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | it's a fucking outrage is what it is. basically vitalik saw the neobee fuckwit buy a ferrari or whatever it was, went out of his mind and well... "if x can steal why shouldn't i" | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | which is what's wrong with "biding their time" idiocies. | [01:55] |
BlueMeanie4 | I just know the people involved and I didnt even bother running the numbers, I already know the answer | [01:55] |
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BitMarmot | Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often | [01:55] |
antonosika | why doesn't mircea_popescu get identified by ;;ident ? | [01:56] |
antonosika | ;;ident antonosika | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika gribble blinked. a sec | [01:56] |
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antonosika | ;;ident nanotubes | [01:56] |
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gribble | Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. | [01:56] |
BlueMeanie4 | BitMarmot- those guys are notorious for faking things like sales numbers and web stats | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ident | [01:56] |
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antonosika | mircea_popescu: will you confirm that the contract holds when you get the payment? | [01:57] |
antonosika | ;;ident | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [01:57] |
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antonosika | How is that done? | [01:57] |
BlueMeanie4 | BitMarmot- I tweeted you :) | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | how is what done | [01:57] |
antonosika | Public confirmation of that a contract holds | [01:57] |
BitMarmot | BlueMeanie4 thanks! I saw. | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | x.x | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | how would you like it to be done ? | [01:57] |
antonosika | you sign a message with your gpg? | [01:58] |
BlueMeanie4 | I even recall the early bitshares stuff on btt, it was pure idiocy | [01:58] |
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mircea_popescu | i already did dood. in between that pastebin and a blockchain read you have incontrovertible proof. | [01:58] |
BlueMeanie4 | although I cant confirm that the current concept bears any resemblance to those early ideas | [01:58] |
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antonosika | Why cant u just argue that that is another transaction? | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | because that's what the contract says. | [01:59] |
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BingoBoingo | BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea | [01:59] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2014#809835 | [02:00] |
assbot | Logged on 26-08-2014 10:50:07; mircea_popescu: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla. | [02:00] |
BitMarmot | I actually really like marmots | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | could it be chinchillas instead ? | [02:00] |
BlueMeanie4 | we have something like a marmot in the rocky mountains. its similar to a mountain-hamster | [02:01] |
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BitMarmot | A friend of mine tells me the tale of a marmot called Grey Beard | [02:01] |
BitMarmot | who lived in the rockies | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot "I don’t like or approve of token pre-sales and I never will." << whatr's this mean ? | [02:02] |
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BitMarmot | He would cast a curse on any campers at the camp who harassed local wildlife | [02:02] |
BitMarmot | Mircea_Popescu exactly what it says | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | also get out of this habit of using the same title on different dates for different articles. it's breadspread insanity. | [02:02] |
BitMarmot | I'll join WoT this weekend | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot it doesn't say so much cause "token pre-sales" isn't reallyt a term of art. | [02:02] |
BlueMeanie4 | that sounds like the scene from Monty Python holy Grail | [02:02] |
BitMarmot | Satoshi didn't need a presale | [02:03] |
BitMarmot | all this stuff is iterative | [02:03] |
BlueMeanie4 | BitMarmot- allocate at least an hour to get through the WOT process | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | you mean recursive ? | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | as in, soon they'll do presales for the presale ? | [02:03] |
BitMarmot | nope, iterative | [02:03] |
BitMarmot | i.e. it's not really an improvement | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | im not even sure what it's supposed to be. | [02:03] |
BitMarmot | If someone came up with a chain which was awesome | [02:03] |
antonosika | What does it mean that assignments are integral? | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | i mean other than tardstalk finance. | [02:03] |
BitMarmot | they wouldn't need to presell because they'd make their money mining the crap out of it | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika that you can't give sue 1.5 btc and mary 1.5 btc of your load. gotta pick a girl blow the whole load on her. | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot you mean like atc ? | [02:04] |
BitMarmot | fact is, most alt chains aren't that big a deal/that different from BTC to merit existence | [02:04] |
BitMarmot | ATC? | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | %p | [02:04] |
atcbot | No data returned from CoinMiner.net | [02:04] |
atcbot | [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1636.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [02:04] |
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mircea_popescu | therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin. | [02:04] |
BitMarmot | Good work ThickAsThieves. | [02:05] |
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mircea_popescu | ok, "I look at BitSharesX and I see a group of talented" << what do you mean by talented then. | [02:05] |
BitMarmot | Larimer's a smart kid | [02:05] |
BitMarmot | on the programmer side | [02:05] |
BlueMeanie4 | i beg to differe | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | and i'd know this how ? | [02:06] |
BlueMeanie4 | i was reading larimers babbling on btt - his ideas are idiotic | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 well he did say codewise. | [02:06] |
antonosika | mircea_popescu: thanks for making it so clear. | [02:06] |
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assbot | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | gotta cut amateurs slack re finance, somehow everyone got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin. | [02:06] |
BitMarmot | Let me put it this way - I wanted to play the ball rather than the programmer | [02:06] |
BlueMeanie4 | he wanted to peg the value of assets to some 'market value' - it was utter nonsense | [02:06] |
antonosika | Same paste | [02:06] |
antonosika | just needed to paste it | [02:07] |
BlueMeanie4 | got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin. < a lot of that goes on for sure | [02:07] |
mircea_popescu | but generally, you can distinguish they don't know wtf they're talking about on terminology, and just discard that and see if they're basically honest or not. at least it's my approach. | [02:07] |
BlueMeanie4 | BitMarmot- of course he doesnt want to program it- i makes ZERO sense! | [02:07] |
BlueMeanie4 | that was basically my thought when I bothered to read his nonsense writings | [02:08] |
BitMarmot | I just don't like going after people personally - I'd rather discuss the issues | [02:08] |
BlueMeanie4 | 'if this guy is going to code this then great for him' | [02:08] |
BlueMeanie4 | of course he defers that small job to someone else | [02:08] |
BitMarmot | Even if the writings are nonsense, go after the writings, not the person who wrote them | [02:08] |
BlueMeanie4 | he's exactly like Chris Odom | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot that's fine, but you know if you call someone something, whether it's "talented" or "whore" or anything, i may well ask you well, how did you find this and how could i verify for myself. | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | only natural. | [02:08] |
BitMarmot | mircea_popescu all of god's creatures are special | [02:09] |
BitMarmot | unique snowflakes | [02:09] |
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mircea_popescu | oh get out. unless they taste like vanilla they go right into the stu. | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | otherwise, they go into the cake. | [02:09] |
BitMarmot | hahahahahaahahahaha | [02:09] |
BitMarmot | I thought you might like that. | [02:09] |
BlueMeanie4 | to a degree- if someone is repeatedly trying to draw attention to themselves by whoring around every buzzword and they do it repeatedly then pull a PRESALE- thats when you start questioning someone's motives | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKY5zHILK00 << this could be the "talented bitcoiner" theme song. | [02:10] |
assbot | Animaniacs - The Monkey Song - YouTube | [02:10] |
BitMarmot | I go on what I can prove. If I can't prove it, I figure no harm in being polite | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot if politeness has degraded to the point you gotta call someone talented just to remain polite i dun want any part of it. | [02:10] |
BlueMeanie4 | yes but eventually the emporer wears no clothe | [02:11] |
antonosika | Im about to agree to a contract that stands if I deposit 3 btc to mircea_popescu (with the blockchain as security). Can someone tell me that this is a smart procedure? | [02:11] |
BlueMeanie4 | Mircea- BINGO | [02:11] |
antonosika | the btc could come from someone else depositing at the same time. | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot but anyway, nm that part. | [02:11] |
BitMarmot | mircea_popescu differences in approach, as you know we have. nm indeed | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika it'd still credit you. so they'd be suckers for doing it, but their problem. | [02:11] |
BlueMeanie4 | eventually people value candor above all else | [02:12] |
BlueMeanie4 | who has time to waste on this shit? | [02:12] |
BlueMeanie4 | let alone money | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 not all people, no. if people valued candor there'd be a blowout sale on penis aids. | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | there's lines of work where honesty is the worst policy. | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | just... finance ain't one of them. | [02:12] |
antonosika | But this isn't specified in the contract. Only "the long holder shall deposit" | [02:13] |
BlueMeanie4 | ya shrewdness goes a long way | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika you gotta understand how the legal mind works. you have a beneficial presumption therein embedded. | [02:13] |
BitMarmot | BlueMeanie4 I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on character, but go ruthless on the facts | [02:13] |
BitMarmot | mircea_popescu exactly | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot what are you trying to do anyway. | [02:14] |
BitMarmot | brb. Just having fun, I enjoy writing. | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | works. | [02:14] |
BlueMeanie4 | ya I really appreciated that article, but when you watch someone pull this sort of stuff time and time again- it's hard not to get personal | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 tell mpoe-pr that :D | [02:14] |
BlueMeanie4 | who? | [02:14] |
antonosika | mircea_popescu: can someone else vouch for this ? | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 aww. | [02:14] |
antonosika | legal is not my language | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | well for a coupla years there was this hot chick on the forum beating the shit out of the innumerable, meanwhile forgotten scammers. | [02:15] |
BlueMeanie4 | see | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | they all got pissy because "onoes, whai so personal" | [02:15] |
BlueMeanie4 | the thing i always look for- they always have an alternative career | [02:15] |
antonosika | ill deposit if you reformulate the contract | [02:15] |
BlueMeanie4 | theyre a 'musician' or a 'pick up artist' or 'author' or some crap | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | just one of the many ways mpex wrote teh history of bitcoin that nobody knows about because well... history is hard work. | [02:15] |
BlueMeanie4 | or theyre entirely anonymous | [02:16] |
BlueMeanie4 | usually a combination of the two | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | well most "musicians" are anonymous. | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | that's funny, i remember the days "anonymous" used to be an insult. | [02:16] |
BlueMeanie4 | do you know how many of these 'celebrated' bitcoin experts have some lame background like this? | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | yes. i keep files. | [02:17] |
BlueMeanie4 | this doesnt appear to bother the 18 year olds who just bought 2 grand worth of magic beans | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google story pointless witless | [02:18] |
gribble | The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: |
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BlueMeanie4 | cant view it | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | what changed in the past year ? nothing! | [02:18] |
antonosika | mircea_popescu: starting a contract by only seeing a random transaction in the blockchain is dodgy as hell | [02:19] |
mircea_popescu | according to whom ?! | [02:19] |
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antonosika | The formulation of the contract | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | and it's not random, it's specified. | [02:20] |
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antonosika | random as in not specified where it is from | [02:20] |
antonosika | the amount is specified | [02:20] |
antonosika | and "the Long Party" | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | yes. this is how bitcoin works. | [02:20] |
antonosika | easy to argue that it is not from the long party | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | yes, but also toothless. doesn't matter where it's from. | [02:21] |
antonosika | So why not just write " 3.00001 BTC shall be deposited no later than August 31st to ..." | [02:21] |
antonosika | That's specified | [02:21] |
antonosika | "Long Party" is not | [02:22] |
antonosika | provable | [02:22] |
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BlueMeanie4 | thats what i was saying- who adjudicates? | [02:23] |
antonosika | Change it. | [02:23] |
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BingoBoingo | Long Party: YOu are perfectly free to save your own copy of MP's signed contract and sign it your self. | [02:23] |
antonosika | BingoBoingo: the problem is that it is possible to argue that the deposit was not from the long party | [02:24] |
BitMarmot | back | [02:24] |
BitMarmot | you all survive without me? | [02:24] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 well that's why i gave you that rota reference. nobody o.O after the attempt at a public court thing failed miserably. | [02:24] |
antonosika | BingoBoingo: who would be correct in such an argument? | [02:24] |
BingoBoingo | antonosika: Well if it came from another party that would mean someone else just subsidized the Long Party's purchase | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | BitMarmot here's the problem. your effort at being polite has resulted in 2+6k words, in which the idiot in question is arguing he's right. | [02:25] |
antonosika | Thanks bingo, i just wanted this legal language verified by someone else to seem less dogy | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | you may love to write, but no one loves to read. | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | so what's the gain here ? | [02:25] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika it's not dodgy, it's just how i write. | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | i went to the hemingway school of law. | [02:26] |
BitMarmot | None immediately. It's a long game | [02:26] |
mircea_popescu | heh. "your penis is too long to fit any woman, so how do you propose to reproduce ?" "not immediately, waiting for it to grow more." | [02:27] |
BitMarmot | Something like that | [02:27] |
mircea_popescu | (im not saying working is bad, it's not. the reason it's good however is that it allows such problems to be discussed) | [02:28] |
BingoBoingo | BitMarmot: Any thoughts on http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ | [02:28] |
assbot | A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog | [02:28] |
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mircea_popescu | fuck. | [02:28] |
antonosika | last thing, will you check the blockchain and confirm in this chat that you saw the 3.0001 BTC ? | [02:28] |
BitMarmot | Judging from the hits though my point got across without hitting the man | [02:28] |
mircea_popescu | i didn't even pick the right phrase. should have used rickles' "he's making a loss on every sale but hopes to make it up on volume" | [02:29] |
BitMarmot | so ultimately you get done what needs to get done without alienating anyone | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | a well, esprit d'escalier. | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika okay. | [02:29] |
BitMarmot | Be of no doubt, I am overawed by your approach to polemic. But I suspect I probably wouldn't get away with it | [02:29] |
BitMarmot | plus not my style | [02:30] |
BitMarmot | takes all kinds | [02:30] |
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mircea_popescu | what, decentralized polemics ? | [02:30] |
BitMarmot | No, just not giving a damn what other people think | [02:30] |
antonosika | mircea_popescu: I'll be happy with the outcome of this contract either way, nice to learn new things with you crazy fucks around here. | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | antonosika it's everyone's sentiment | [02:31] |
BingoBoingo | antonosika: Sitting around here and having access to every one in the chan's input is an effect IQ boost | [02:31] |
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mircea_popescu | antonosika anyway, the last clause is there specifically to allow you to limit your risk as you can make me a settlement offer later on and who knows, i might take it. | [02:32] |
mircea_popescu | (for that matter, it's good policy / common courtest to see if i don't want to overbid in case you're considering assignment) | [02:33] |
mircea_popescu | kinda how the market was born, irl, centuries ago. | [02:33] |
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ThickAsThieves | <+BingoBoingo> BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea //// Before you know it your website will be all "10 Wacky Interesting Things You Never Knew About Marmots" | [02:34] |
antonosika | mircea_popescu: I'll keep my fingers crossed then. | [02:34] |
BitMarmot | BuzzMarmot | [02:34] |
BitMarmot | I really do f***ing love marmots | [02:35] |
BitMarmot | best animals ever | [02:35] |
mircea_popescu | why ? | [02:35] |
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BitMarmot | They're goofy, largely benign troublemaker | [02:35] |
BitMarmot | s | [02:35] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [02:35] |
mircea_popescu | !up BlueMeanie4 | [02:35] |
-assbot- | You voiced BlueMeanie4 for 30 minutes. | [02:36] |
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BitMarmot | What, MP doesn't have a spirit animal? | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | uhm. | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | yes, but mine's a scorpion. | [02:36] |
BitMarmot | Fitting | [02:36] |
BlueMeanie4 | Slime Mold | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | precise, fucking dangerous mind-your-own-business law enforcer type. | [02:36] |
ThickAsThieves | <+mircea_popescu> therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin. /// it's more of a scamcoin assimiliation phenomenon! | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves slime mold :D | [02:36] |
BitMarmot | Spirit fungi bro | [02:36] |
BitMarmot | wrong kingdom | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 if slime molds are animals ima make buenos aires my spirit animal. | [02:37] |
BlueMeanie4 | Slime Molds are actually fascinating | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | it's not even genetically coherent for crying out loud. | [02:37] |
BlueMeanie4 | but thats another story | [02:37] |
mircea_popescu | yes but they're not animals. they're colonies of animals. like a town. | [02:37] |
BlueMeanie4 | well occasionally they go from being a colony to forming into a creature that gets up and moves | [02:38] |
BlueMeanie4 | not joking - thats why theyre so strange | [02:38] |
mircea_popescu | what's this, animism biology ? | [02:38] |
mircea_popescu | it does move but it's still not an animal. | [02:38] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: still got those usenet archives ? << only ever had a hand-sewn, humble archive (a la 'yarchive.net' but not as good.) | [02:39] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform how woud you go about recouping all this guy's usenet stuff ? | [02:39] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: but i doubt that google corp. has the only copy of 'dejanews' - ask around. | [02:39] |
mircea_popescu | yes i am asking around :D | [02:39] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: if you're lucky, 'google groups' might have a good fraction of it | [02:39] |
BlueMeanie4 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVhLJLG7ug | [02:40] |
assbot | John Bonner's slime mold movies - YouTube | [02:40] |
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asciilifeform | re: electronic warfare article - the conflation between garden-variety signal jamming and 'emp' circuit zapping is inexcusable and a classic leper's bell of journalistic hacks | [02:41] |
thestringpuller | ;;ident | [02:41] |
gribble | Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified. | [02:41] |
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thestringpuller | damn | [02:41] |
mircea_popescu | ahh people's assumptions are such a great boon to internet humor. so i go on this blog and butthurt people, everyone assumes that since i speak the language i also live there, it's rioutous. | [02:41] |
thestringpuller | time to export the private key to this machine | [02:41] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;ident BlueMeanie4 | [02:43] |
gribble | Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified. | [02:43] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 listen : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing. | [02:43] |
BlueMeanie4 | this is even better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_uMH8Xpy0 | [02:43] |
assbot | Mould Time-lapse - The Great British Year: Episode 4 Preview - BBC One - YouTube | [02:43] |
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nubbins` | so my macbook drank a cup of coffee today | [02:46] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: when assigning a key to a bot, what is a good way to allow the bot to access it? is a passphrase even practical? | [02:47] |
thestringpuller | or more giving a key to a bot... | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | gpg agent ? | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | but yeah, make it its own key. | [02:47] |
thestringpuller | yea. that's what I've been looking into, do you think it's legit though? | [02:47] |
thestringpuller | legit over the wire* | [02:48] |
thestringpuller | like ssh key forwarding...etc... | [02:48] |
mircea_popescu | wait, what ? | [02:49] |
thestringpuller | i was overthinking it sorry for being dumb | [02:50] |
thestringpuller | if bot and key are on same machine, bot daemon can just run gpg agent as a daemon... | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/13/aubreystar-31811/images/full/13.jpg << fun fact : girls that walk on high heels don't tend to support themselves on the heel. | [02:51] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller yeah something like that. | [02:51] |
thestringpuller | thanks mircea_popescu | [02:51] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;later tell BitMarmot Judging from the hits though << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#791057 | [02:55] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [02:55] |
assbot | Logged on 11-08-2014 23:15:37; mircea_popescu: godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %. | [02:55] |
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BingoBoingo | !up dsherm | [03:00] |
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penguirker | New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/26/replies-to-select-comments/ | [03:00] |
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dsherm | thanks bb | [03:01] |
mircea_popescu | http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/12/anyaamsel-31810/images/full/02.jpg | [03:01] |
BingoBoingo | dsherm: You are welcome | [03:03] |
dsherm | was just reading contravex's "deflation isn't bitcoin's problem..." great refreshing read. found this channel there | [03:06] |
nubbins` | how can you have deflation when the money supply is increasing :D | [03:06] |
ben_vulpes | ah, i missed the marmot. | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [03:07] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 512.79, Best ask: 514.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 514.25, 24 hour volume: 6709.59735671, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.560882049 | [03:07] |
nubbins` | battery did not survive the coffee :( | [03:07] |
dsherm | its all relative to fiat ;) | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | dsherm still. bitcoin is inflaitonary. just, not as much as the various other shitcoins | [03:08] |
thestringpuller | dsherm: is that a new one? | [03:08] |
mircea_popescu | usd or doge or w/e | [03:08] |
thestringpuller | nubbins`: did you just ruin a mac? | [03:08] |
nubbins` | i just ruined a mac battery | [03:08] |
thestringpuller | better than ruining a mac no? | [03:08] |
nubbins` | the machine itself seems otherwise unscathed | [03:08] |
nubbins` | indeed, yes | [03:08] |
dsherm | m_p but at least the inflation will end | [03:08] |
thestringpuller | what kind of mac battery? | [03:09] |
thestringpuller | for the pro? | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | dsherm when ? | [03:09] |
thestringpuller | i just got a mac book air | [03:09] |
dsherm | it's an old one 4/4/14 | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | huh ? | [03:10] |
dsherm | M_P i was talking about the article from contravex | [03:11] |
nubbins` | late-2008 macbook | [03:11] |
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mircea_popescu | dsherm that's okay, but sitll, bitcoin will continue to inflate well into the 22nd century. | [03:11] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust deego | [03:12] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 17 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012 | [03:12] |
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mircea_popescu | at first i thought this must be a scammer play. | [03:12] |
dsherm | M_P yeah i know but at least the rate of increase will... decrease | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | !up Flerb | [03:12] |
-assbot- | You voiced Flerb for 30 minutes. | [03:12] |
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mircea_popescu | Flerb yes, you're supposed to do something to earn trust. o.O | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | dsherm sure, and the total amount is upper bound. but see, journos do a lot of sloppy thinking. the total amlunt being upper bound != non inflationary. | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | and so on. | [03:13] |
asciilifeform | http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish << mega-lol - liberasts oppose the 'anti-rape nail polish' product | [03:14] |
assbot | Why Rape Prevention Activists Don't Like The New Nail Polish That Can Detect Roofies | ThinkProgress | [03:14] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes: http://www.operationfabulous.com/advertiser/index.php?e=list << lmao | [03:14] |
assbot | Operation Fabulous: Advertise with bitcoins. | [03:14] |
dsherm | as long as it is a limited useful commodity | [03:14] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform soviet bureaucrats opposed typewriters neh ? | [03:14] |
asciilifeform | even funnier | [03:14] |
asciilifeform | not even because it works - or doesn't | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | "it’s not necessarily the best way to approach the sexual assault epidemic on college campuses." | [03:15] |
asciilifeform | 'I don’t want to fucking test my drink when I’m at the bar. That’s not the world I want to live in.' | [03:15] |
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asciilifeform | !s have to dip | [03:15] |
mircea_popescu | dude gtfo, what "epidemic". us colleges used to be this fuckathon, these days they're like fucking nunneries. | [03:15] |
ben_vulpes | don't stop | [03:15] |
assbot | 4 results for 'have to dip' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=have+to+dip | [03:15] |
ben_vulpes | be leeeeeeving | [03:15] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509005 | [03:16] |
assbot | Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. They’re told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they don’t get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist — something that actu | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | ally reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society. | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | o fucking hell. | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | what sort of alternative reality is this! | [03:16] |
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mircea_popescu | women are actually expected to walk on four inch heels after the age of 16 so as to deform their calf musculature and get fucking implants once they're 35+ | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | and to stop bitching about it! | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | o and also : IF you want any sort of shot at a decent lay, you're to have full nudes on the internet before you're 18 and aging starts. | [03:18] |
asciilifeform | phun phact: knockout drops are alive and well in russia. but they are typically used by women - on men. chemically-assisted pick-pockets. | [03:18] |
asciilifeform | perhaps the nail polish - in a transparent variety - will catch on there. | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform this is older than dirt. was the premiere reason women ended up forbidden from public places in teh islamic states. | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | a millenium+ ago. | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | all the greek sluts moved south and went to work. | [03:19] |
nubbins` | scopolamine is popular in some touristy areas of south america as well, or so i'm told | [03:19] |
Flerb | mircea_popescu, such as? | [03:20] |
nubbins` | tourists helping the thieves move their belongings into the van, etc | [03:20] |
nubbins` | Flerb, how would you earn someone's trust in your day-to-day life? | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` this is why you take your own bottle and your own whores to the strip joint :D | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | also, lol : "While it is occasionally used recreationally for its hallucinogenic properties, the experiences are often mentally and physically extremely unpleasant, and frequently physically dangerous, so repeated use is rare." | [03:21] |
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mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them. | [03:24] |
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mircea_popescu | !up BlueMeanie4 | [03:25] |
-assbot- | You voiced BlueMeanie4 for 30 minutes. | [03:25] |
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BlueMeanie4 | mkay | [03:26] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: (from one russian commenter) - 'does the nail polish change to warning colour after the fifth martini?' | [03:26] |
BingoBoingo | !b 2 | [03:26] |
assbot | Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FQN4BZ.txt ) | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" << clearly no inflation propping up nasdaq. it;'s all just legit money, which is why all art and collectible prices are up 10x | [03:26] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i thought russians had martini as the vermouth, like romanians. | [03:27] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ident BlueMeanie4 | [03:27] |
gribble | Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified. | [03:27] |
mircea_popescu | so as i was saying earlier : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing | [03:27] |
BlueMeanie4 | how do i gribble | [03:27] |
mircea_popescu | ;;eauth BlueMeanie4 | [03:27] |
gribble | Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535 | [03:27] |
BlueMeanie4 | i did that laready! | [03:27] |
mircea_popescu | girbble blinked | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | if it didn't see you at any point it resets it. | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | hafta do it again | [03:28] |
* | asciilifeform talked two chaps who were previously innocent of pgp and (mostly) of irc through the whole shebang. it took - minutes. | [03:28] |
* | asciilifeform doesn't get why people whine | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform yeah but you didn't pick them in the street. | [03:28] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/some-mendicants-a-hill-moistened-bints-and-deep-breaths/ | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | even were it wall street. | [03:28] |
mircea_popescu | shit hanbot's writing like dailyt now. | [03:29] |
BlueMeanie4 | ok got the passwd | [03:29] |
mircea_popescu | ;;everify | [03:30] |
BlueMeanie4 | ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3 | [03:31] |
gribble | (everify |
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mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 no name needed. take it out. | [03:31] |
BlueMeanie4 | ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3 | [03:31] |
gribble | Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. | [03:31] |
BlueMeanie4 | ho hum | [03:31] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too! | [03:31] |
BlueMeanie4 | you guys dont get hte concept of usability clearly | [03:31] |
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BlueMeanie4 | eath what? | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | [03:32] | |
BlueMeanie4 | ;;everify | [03:32] |
gribble | (everify |
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mircea_popescu | it looks and sees a diff guy is putting in the decrypted string and calls shenanigans. | [03:32] |
mircea_popescu | no, THERE you need the name. | [03:32] |
BlueMeanie4 | ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3 | [03:32] |
gribble | Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. | [03:32] |
BlueMeanie4 | fuck this | [03:32] |
BlueMeanie4 | its the second time i did this | [03:32] |
BingoBoingo | lol | [03:32] |
BlueMeanie4 | this is ridiculous | [03:32] |
BlueMeanie4 | i have a degree in CS | [03:33] |
BlueMeanie4 | make your system usable for christ sakes | [03:33] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: everify yournickname thatstringstartingwithfreenode | [03:33] |
BlueMeanie4 | THATS HWAT I DID BEFORE | [03:33] |
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BlueMeanie4 | ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3 | [03:33] |
gribble | (everify |
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BingoBoingo | BlueMeanie4: I have degrees in Philosphy and preventing rot in bound volumes | [03:33] |
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kakobrekla | they dont teach pgp in cs? | [03:33] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform now you misguided him! | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 keep your cool and think of it ths way : | [03:34] |
BlueMeanie4 | let the techno condescention begin | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | it's a time tested system to keep idiots out. | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | the hassle at the beginning will repay in spades later, | [03:34] |
kakobrekla | failed on me. | [03:34] |
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mircea_popescu | when you don't have to deal with them | [03:34] |
* | asciilifeform automated long ago and mostly forgot | [03:34] |
BlueMeanie4 | maybe ill try again next year | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | usability is good ; barriers to entry are better. | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | try it again now, it's not the big deal it looks like. | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | you first go ;;everify BlueMeanie4 | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | shit. | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | you first go ;;eauth BlueMeanie4 | [03:35] |
BlueMeanie4 | ;;everify BlueMeanie4 | [03:35] |
gribble | Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one. | [03:35] |
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mircea_popescu | then you decrypt the otp and go ;;everify freenode-blabla | [03:35] |
BlueMeanie4 | SHIT YOU DONT EVEN KOW HOW TO DO THIS | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | and you're done | [03:35] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) | [03:35] |
BlueMeanie4 | ;;eauth BlueMeanie4 | [03:36] |
gribble | Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535 | [03:36] |
BingoBoingo | Now ;;everify "string" | [03:36] |
BlueMeanie4 | ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:168e59752b337056f22927840844867ab6b0bb171ffd023b46ca4e3c | [03:36] |
gribble | You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535 | [03:36] |
mircea_popescu | yay. | [03:36] |
BingoBoingo | [03:37] | |
BlueMeanie4 | do i win an internet | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | now, because you're so identified, you can go /query assbot | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | and in the window that pops say !up | [03:37] |
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mircea_popescu | see ? | [03:37] |
mircea_popescu | self -serve. | [03:37] |
BlueMeanie4 | i may make a contract system that doesnt use irc | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | and use it by yourself ? | [03:38] |
BlueMeanie4 | although you could potentially use WOT ratings | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | irc is an incredibly great system, give yourself some time to discover that first. | [03:38] |
BlueMeanie4 | no one can use this thing | [03:38] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not here because it sucks. | [03:38] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: use telex if you like. still gotta prove you own the private key | [03:38] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00069043 = 24.1996 BTC [+] | [03:40] |
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BlueMeanie4 | its not about 'using it by yourself' | [03:40] |
BlueMeanie4 | if people want to short | [03:40] |
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BlueMeanie4 | or some other instrumet | [03:40] |
BlueMeanie4 | they can do it | [03:40] |
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mircea_popescu | hanbot "demonstrating that perambulatory sculpture of the conspicuously unfucked might as well also possess meterological dominion over those parts of the world otherwise dangerous to honest hard-working folk predisposed to believe in peram…well, you know." ahahaha epic. | [03:41] |
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mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ? | [03:41] |
BlueMeanie4 | what makes you htink you can do that | [03:41] |
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mircea_popescu | ha-ha. | [03:42] |
mircea_popescu | what do they teach in cs these days ? | [03:42] |
BlueMeanie4 | so youre threatening any alternatives? | [03:42] |
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mircea_popescu | no dude. i'm just trying to explain internet to you. | [03:43] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: 'to criticise is to volunteer.' suggest your variant. | [03:43] |
mircea_popescu | the only - the ONLY - reason any website is online right now, google including, whitehouse.org included, is that nobody can be bothered to knock them off. | [03:43] |
mircea_popescu | that's all. | [03:43] |
BlueMeanie4 | im trying to explain USABILITY to you | [03:43] |
BlueMeanie4 | you apparently think the whole world has all day to fuck around on IRC | [03:44] |
mircea_popescu | somewhere they'll fuck around. | [03:44] |
kakobrekla | in -otc | [03:44] |
mircea_popescu | now whether it's irc or a website or anywhere else should come down to a technical discussion | [03:44] |
mircea_popescu | which is what we're having. | [03:44] |
BingoBoingo | BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it. | [03:44] |
BlueMeanie4 | the problem with using IRC is that you cant have high speed contract resolutoin | [03:45] |
BingoBoingo | Yes you can | [03:45] |
BlueMeanie4 | theres the problem of competing to execute contracts | [03:45] |
BingoBoingo | Well nothing useful can be all of high speed, low drag, and robust | [03:45] |
BlueMeanie4 | this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious | [03:46] |
nubbins` | thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned | [03:46] |
nubbins` | RIGHT ON | [03:46] |
BlueMeanie4 | because the miners can exclude some transactoins and fatally bias the market | [03:46] |
BingoBoingo | Miners routinely exclude transactions | [03:47] |
BlueMeanie4 | sure, and this isnt a problem unless youre doing something where people are competing to be the first | [03:47] |
BlueMeanie4 | first person to bid or to execute a contract | [03:48] |
BingoBoingo | If speed were the greatest virtue public transportation would not be a bus network, but coin operated people howitzers on every street corner | [03:48] |
asciilifeform | !b 1 | [03:48] |
assbot | Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2D4RYSA.txt ) | [03:48] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I think you missed | [03:48] |
nubbins` | nod | [03:49] |
BingoBoingo | Instead of the stadium gates you arrived at the parking garage. | [03:49] |
BingoBoingo | BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general | [03:50] |
BlueMeanie4 | proof is in the pudding | [03:52] |
BlueMeanie4 | does anyone use this thing | [03:52] |
nubbins` | the details are in the pudding | [03:52] |
nubbins` | there's a dick surgery song about this very thing | [03:52] |
BingoBoingo | Contracts available for trading publicly need a centralized exchange. Private contracts need negotiation et al. | [03:53] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: 'usability' << we're using it. and it appears - you are, too. so what kind of 'usability' is lacking ? | [03:53] |
BlueMeanie4 | how do you measure success in a software project? | [03:53] |
BingoBoingo | A private assignment of anything should never have the wires be the limiting factor in its speed of execution, other things will slow it first. | [03:54] |
mircea_popescu | [03:54] | |
BlueMeanie4 | confidence chains was one solution, but you dont really 'p2p' with it | [03:54] |
BlueMeanie4 | its more of a distributed system | [03:55] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: what fascinates me is how many people whine about 'slow' without saying precisely why they want 'fast', and while remaining entirely innocent of basic kindergarten-level gotchas like 'lamport's clock' | [03:55] |
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mircea_popescu | you'll have to sit down and confront the twinheaded fact that a) before you can improve on something you have to gain good familiariy with it and b) that the temptation to just make as a cheap substitute for understanding is sinful. | [03:56] |
mircea_popescu | !up cardigm | [03:56] |
-assbot- | You voiced cardigm for 30 minutes. | [03:56] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform no kindergarten i ever heard of shows lamport's clock | [03:56] |
BlueMeanie4 | well its not so much a problem of 'slow' | [03:56] |
BlueMeanie4 | do you ever use Ebay? | [03:56] |
mircea_popescu | not personally. | [03:56] |
BlueMeanie4 | anyone? | [03:56] |
BingoBoingo | I've used it. | [03:56] |
nubbins` | have in the past, yep | [03:57] |
BlueMeanie4 | and when do 95% of the bids come in on an auction? | [03:57] |
nubbins` | never | [03:57] |
nubbins` | wait, sorry. | [03:57] |
BlueMeanie4 | in the last few minutes | [03:57] |
BingoBoingo | Depends on the good. When I'm buying generally the one that wins comes early. | [03:57] |
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nubbins` | it's all about Buy it Now, anyway | [03:57] |
nubbins` | nobody straight-up auctions | [03:57] |
BlueMeanie4 | so the problem is in these sorts of systems is people will push the time limits as far as they will go every time | [03:57] |
BingoBoingo | I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay. | [03:58] |
nubbins` | that's a general human problem | [03:58] |
mircea_popescu | why is this a problem ? | [03:58] |
BlueMeanie4 | if i can exploit, and it makes me a dollar or two, i will | [03:58] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html | [03:58] |
assbot | Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive | [03:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00068963 = 15.7925 BTC [-] | [03:58] |
BingoBoingo | BlueMeanie4: What was you favorite computer you ever owned? | [03:58] |
BlueMeanie4 | you better believe if any serious traffic were to happen on this system they would exploit the peculiarities of IRC | [03:58] |
BlueMeanie4 | apple II_ | [03:58] |
BlueMeanie4 | II+ | [03:58] |
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nubbins` | what's the trilema article about how irc works | [03:59] |
BingoBoingo | Ah, Imma Mac SE/30 kind of person. There are "now" slow machines, yes | [03:59] |
nubbins` | not being an idiot, asking questions and immediately leaving, etc | [03:59] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 what's your idea of "serious trafic" ? | [03:59] |
BlueMeanie4 | i dont know | [03:59] |
mircea_popescu | so then why are you talking about it lol | [03:59] |
BlueMeanie4 | lets say 100k changes hands a day | [03:59] |
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mircea_popescu | so what peculiarities would thus become exposed ? | [04:00] |
BlueMeanie4 | i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses | [04:00] |
BlueMeanie4 | your system seems pretty naive in this regard | [04:00] |
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asciilifeform | 'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.' | [04:00] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 "seems" ? how does it so seem ? | [04:01] |
BlueMeanie4 | because no where do you even indicate that this is a problem | [04:01] |
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mircea_popescu | >.< | [04:02] |
BingoBoingo | BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task? | [04:02] |
artifexd | ;;gettrust assbot deego | [04:02] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=deego | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego | Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012 | [04:02] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done. | [04:02] |
BlueMeanie4 | what would happen if one party had the unique ability to either take or leave EVERY contract that was submitted globally? | [04:03] |
BlueMeanie4 | and the other actors then got 'sloppy seconds' | [04:04] |
BingoBoingo | BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure. | [04:04] |
BlueMeanie4 | Bingo: congrats? | [04:04] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 how would such a party have such an ability ? | [04:05] |
BlueMeanie4 | hold on | [04:05] |
asciilifeform | and why would it matter ? | [04:05] |
BlueMeanie4 | do you accept that this is a problem? | [04:05] |
asciilifeform | let's assume that superman flies in before anyone and 'takes or leaves.' how is it a problem ? | [04:06] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here. | [04:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 944 @ 0.00093 = 0.8779 BTC [-] | [04:06] |
BlueMeanie4 | this is a big problem. this leads to market bias. | [04:06] |
mircea_popescu | looky here : because wot users are identified, and their reputation forms a market hierarchy | [04:06] |
asciilifeform | let me guess. 'unfair.' | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | parties will have this ability ANYWAY | [04:07] |
BlueMeanie4 | well im not opposed to WOT | [04:07] |
BlueMeanie4 | WOT is a rating scheme | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | and rightfully so. because to the trustworthy goes the business. | [04:07] |
BlueMeanie4 | great | [04:07] |
BlueMeanie4 | good for WOT | [04:07] |
BingoBoingo | BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow. | [04:07] |
BlueMeanie4 | come here WOT lets have a group hug | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | well yes great but this effect dwarves your problem by degrees of magnitude. | [04:07] |
BlueMeanie4 | not at all | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | so fifty people want to accept the same contract, and mp says yes and the cp picks mp because hey, he'd rather have mp's cp risk. | [04:07] |
mircea_popescu | what's the five miliseconds earliness bought the early bird ? | [04:08] |
BlueMeanie4 | the cp? | [04:08] |
mircea_popescu | counterparty | [04:08] |
BlueMeanie4 | oh so the cp has the ability to choose? | [04:08] |
mircea_popescu | of course ? | [04:08] |
BlueMeanie4 | so there is ZERO sense of non-bias in your system | [04:08] |
mircea_popescu | quite. | [04:08] |
BlueMeanie4 | its not fatal, but it falls short in some very important ways | [04:09] |
mircea_popescu | it's so fuckng biased we have a wot to deal with the bias hierarchy | [04:09] |
BlueMeanie4 | you cant have highly liquid markets this way | [04:09] |
mircea_popescu | didn't we go over all of this yest or w/e ? | [04:09] |
mircea_popescu | you don't want highly liquid markets. you want robust markets. | [04:09] |
BlueMeanie4 | what is needed is a way to quickly INTERROGATE the contracts | [04:09] |
BlueMeanie4 | as in- determine them | [04:09] |
BingoBoingo | !up bats_cd03 | [04:09] |
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mircea_popescu | lol. | [04:09] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 ever seen http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php ? | [04:10] |
assbot | #bitcoin-otc order book | [04:10] |
BlueMeanie4 | youre loling and were there any contracts written today? | [04:10] |
bats_cd03 | lol | [04:10] |
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bats_cd03 | such patience on mp's part | [04:10] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: how many contracts for the purchase of, e.g, gallium, were written today? | [04:10] |
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BlueMeanie4 | its like a BBS | [04:10] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share. | [04:11] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: is your (or mine) inability to answer this question with a definitive number (x kg, y usd, etc.) a 'problem' ? | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier | [04:11] |
BlueMeanie4 | again not saying htis is worthless | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | most everyone else does not want to say. | [04:11] |
BlueMeanie4 | but im interested in bigger game | [04:11] |
BlueMeanie4 | how can we generate millions USD in wealth | [04:11] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox. | [04:11] |
asciilifeform | hate to borrow from herr clinton, but what does 'generate' mean here ? | [04:12] |
mircea_popescu | since then, the marketshare of all exchanges together dropped monotonously. | [04:12] |
BlueMeanie4 | what does generate mean? | [04:12] |
bats_cd03 | work on generating 100 btc in wealth first, mate. then go for 10.000. | [04:12] |
BlueMeanie4 | gen - latin root for 'create' | [04:12] |
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mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 he's inquiring if you're trying to create or redistribute value. | [04:12] |
asciilifeform | how can we generate millions USD in wealth << build, say, an aluminum refinery and find a new deposit of bauxite. | [04:13] |
asciilifeform | like this answer ? | [04:13] |
BlueMeanie4 | yes wealth is CREATED by generating new obligations | [04:13] |
mircea_popescu | only iyo. | [04:13] |
asciilifeform | so - extract. ? | [04:13] |
BlueMeanie4 | its not extract | [04:13] |
asciilifeform | !s chumpatronics | [04:13] |
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decimation | “But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.” | [04:14] |
mircea_popescu | you don't create new wealth by creating new obligations or else a law that'd enact the obligation of pigs to fly would make us all rich. | [04:14] |
bats_cd03 | when asked about 'creating wealth', i usually think 'creating energy'. can it be done? | [04:14] |
BlueMeanie4 | no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier | [04:14] |
mircea_popescu | nope. | [04:14] |
mircea_popescu | it actually makes them poorer. | [04:14] |
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BlueMeanie4 | back in ignoramous paranoia land | [04:15] |
BlueMeanie4 | here ill give you an example | [04:15] |
BingoBoingo | bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of | [04:15] |
BlueMeanie4 | i was in Belgium for a while and there was a group of people out in the country side | [04:16] |
BlueMeanie4 | and they made their own money system, a local currency | [04:16] |
bats_cd03 | your universe must be small mate | [04:16] |
BlueMeanie4 | out of nothing | [04:16] |
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BlueMeanie4 | and they loaned it to each other to do jobs on eachothers houses | [04:16] |
BlueMeanie4 | plumbing, electrical, etc | [04:16] |
BlueMeanie4 | this money system allowed them all to have nice houses in belgium | [04:16] |
mircea_popescu | looky : the mortgages make society poorer not wealthier. | [04:17] |
BlueMeanie4 | with no capital | [04:17] |
BlueMeanie4 | no thats not at all correct | [04:17] |
mircea_popescu | now, a little empoverishing itself for the sake of stroking its impatience may be okay | [04:17] |
mircea_popescu | but if it does a lot of it it ends up like the us. | [04:17] |
BlueMeanie4 | either in principle or in practice | [04:17] |
BlueMeanie4 | well the people didnt have houses before | [04:17] |
decimation | asciilifeform: I don't get the liber-tards argument, are they saying that women ought to be able to slut at the sluttiest parties without attracting unwanted male attention? | [04:17] |
mircea_popescu | hey. it seems it'll take a while until this problem will be operationalized enough to be acceptable. | [04:17] |
BlueMeanie4 | then they had houses | [04:17] |
BlueMeanie4 | thats POORER? | [04:17] |
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BingoBoingo | asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled << It seems many of the danielpbarron invites elicit this reaction | [04:17] |
mircea_popescu | decimation no, they're saying that the betas should be better betas already. i agree with the sentiment. | [04:18] |
asciilifeform | decimation: yes. that's actual 'party doctrine', believe it or not | [04:18] |
mircea_popescu | this notion that everyone's entitled to sexual release gotta go. | [04:18] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 no, but it's not a fair representation of what happened. | [04:18] |
bats_cd03 | lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities) | [04:18] |
BlueMeanie4 | sure it is, I met these people | [04:18] |
BlueMeanie4 | of course they had to work | [04:18] |
BlueMeanie4 | but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists | [04:19] |
BlueMeanie4 | where there was once no houses, or even individual ability to create houses, there was not a usable house | [04:19] |
decimation | none of this required debt to operate | [04:19] |
BlueMeanie4 | its similar with mortgages, requires capital to get all the specialists together to make a house | [04:19] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ? | [04:20] |
BlueMeanie4 | decimation- try building your own house then | [04:20] |
decimation | you think I could buy a house for some gold? | [04:20] |
BingoBoingo | [04:20] | |
BlueMeanie4 | if you have enough gold. these people didnt each have enough gold to buy a house, but collectively they had the skills to make houses | [04:20] |
BingoBoingo | ;;ticker | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo doth not scale outside the dunbar number w/o a wot. | [04:20] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.21, Best ask: 514.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 514.42, 24 hour volume: 6677.18273998, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.617291213 | [04:20] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Who said anything about scaling. Sewers were a problem for the Spanish because of the scaling involved... | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | :p | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway. BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck. | [04:22] |
mircea_popescu | now, who's more likely to have had a good fuck ? | [04:22] |
bats_cd03 | an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. | [04:22] |
mircea_popescu | bats_cd03 you got this whole soviet "illegal rich" thing going already ? | [04:23] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: it's been SOP for ages. | [04:23] |
decimation | bats_cd03: such a person ought to pay taxes and/or have a lawyer | [04:23] |
BingoBoingo | bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper | [04:23] |
bats_cd03 | i guess i've been here too long. | [04:23] |
bats_cd03 | 'here': #bitcoin-assets | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform "so where do you have it from" "fuck you" is what america is all about. | [04:24] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: where do you suppose the fuel to stoke the 'btc at 500 within 1%' engine comes from? | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | now that's an interesting point. if only... | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, so fucking ludicrous to see the stone soup argument repackaged by people who five minutes earlier complained of ignoramus land. | [04:26] |
* | asciilifeform did (along with probably everyone else) predict this turn. i.e. - usg separating as many coins as can be turned up from their owners, by whatever means can be brought to bear | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | what is this shit even. | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. | [04:26] |
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asciilifeform | the '500 wars' suggest that they weren't entirely unsuccessful. | [04:26] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: well they still have some of the SR stash right? | [04:26] |
BlueMeanie4 | seems your understanding of how money works is lacking | [04:27] |
bats_cd03 | hue hue hue | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the first hour with the whore suggests one's "pickup skills" aren't entirely unsuccessful either. | [04:28] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: all that remains is to ask you - if you believe 'hard money' to be a heresy, why are you here? and not in '#dollar-assets' | [04:28] |
decimation | I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | sure, for as longas there's money to be made, why not. | [04:28] |
BlueMeanie4 | its not a heresy, it's just a lower form of money | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 how do you know it's not your understanding of how money works that's the problem ? | [04:28] |
BlueMeanie4 | if im not mistaken, it's impossible to produce enough gold to account for all the wealth in the world | [04:29] |
bats_cd03 | lol. | [04:29] |
* | asciilifeform can't help but picture a coprophagiac walking into a fine restaurant, proceeding to argue - with physical demonstration - his concept of 'fine dining' | [04:29] |
bats_cd03 | what about nanograms? | [04:29] |
BlueMeanie4 | Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point | [04:29] |
bats_cd03 | surely we can do that. it'd just be... terribly unpractical. | [04:29] |
nubbins` | <+BlueMeanie4> no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier | [04:29] |
nubbins` | my sides | [04:29] |
bats_cd03 | ikr | [04:29] |
BlueMeanie4 | nubbins, it absolutely does | [04:29] |
decimation | I provide our present trollish company as proof of the widely distributed ignorance | [04:30] |
bats_cd03 | mortgages does make people a lot of slaves | [04:30] |
BlueMeanie4 | what you fail to see is how the world would be if loans werent available | [04:30] |
BlueMeanie4 | there are mnay places that do have this | [04:30] |
BlueMeanie4 | they are not places you would want to live | [04:30] |
bats_cd03 | decimation: lol'd | [04:31] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: loans are available - here. though not to everyone who asks. | [04:31] |
BlueMeanie4 | whats 'here' | [04:31] |
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BlueMeanie4 | youre saying credit doesnt improve your life? | [04:31] |
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BlueMeanie4 | thats absurd? | [04:31] |
nubbins` | <+BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists <<< you're 100% misunderstanding what happened, by virtue of trying to view it in the wrong frame of perspective. | [04:31] |
decimation | BlueMeanie4: a world without loans would be far more rational in its allocation of wealth | [04:31] |
BlueMeanie4 | wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness | [04:32] |
bats_cd03 | maybe we should rewind and assign a reading list. have you read keynesian theory, BlueMeanie4? | [04:32] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: nothing stops a btc user from lending to another | [04:32] |
nubbins` | they didn't say "let us all go into financial debt to each other! you all owe me $100/hr for my plumbing services" | [04:32] |
BlueMeanie4 | bats- have you? | [04:32] |
bats_cd03 | after you have, read some austrian theory. write a 10pg open response. | [04:32] |
nubbins` | they said "hey man, help me wire my house? i'll do your plumbing" | [04:33] |
BlueMeanie4 | nubbins, that exactly what they did | [04:33] |
bats_cd03 | still working through some papers, ya | [04:33] |
BlueMeanie4 | and you think Keynes was an austrian? | [04:33] |
decimation | BlueMeanie4: your story of paupers proves nothing. if they had to skills to bulid houses, they have the skills to earn money to build houses | [04:33] |
bats_cd03 | your problem is: you are continuously assigning meaning to that which has none | [04:34] |
BlueMeanie4 | true, but the employment opps didnt necessarily exist | [04:34] |
bats_cd03 | i do not think that. | [04:34] |
BlueMeanie4 | so far i have yet to see anyone pose any interesting examples- mainly your typical libertarian bellittleing etc. | [04:34] |
BlueMeanie4 | or various immature responses designed to detract away from what is obviously a failed argument | [04:35] |
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asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: your story concerned a town which printed its own internal currency, yes ? | [04:36] |
BlueMeanie4 | something like that | [04:36] |
nubbins` | my city did this once | [04:36] |
nubbins` | not uncommon | [04:36] |
bats_cd03 | BingoBoingo: brilliant | [04:36] |
BlueMeanie4 | these days maybe not | [04:36] |
nubbins` | 1982-83 | [04:36] |
BlueMeanie4 | whats your city | [04:37] |
nubbins` | i've still got a "gilbert dollar" | [04:37] |
nubbins` | st. john's, canada | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | [04:37] | |
BlueMeanie4 | ya ok | [04:37] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: this is not an uncommon thing, and exists even here in usa (my local vegetable merchants at the market often trade with each other in primitive wooden coins they've agreed on) | [04:37] |
mircea_popescu | this is what the average tardstalk forum scammer says, too. | [04:37] |
BlueMeanie4 | sure | [04:37] |
BingoBoingo | bats_cd03> BingoBoingo: brilliant << Not a construction of mine. An event that happen, recorded in my wetware and entered into the public record | [04:37] |
nubbins` | some tourist shops here accept canadian tire money | [04:38] |
BlueMeanie4 | i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | [04:38] | |
nubbins` | although that's at a larger scale again | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | be it fascist us or socialist norway. | [04:38] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: no one, afaik, finds this particularly offensive. but how does it follow that the farmers will require a growing supply of the wooden coins? | [04:38] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform :0 +1 | [04:38] |
BlueMeanie4 | they used to use 'wooden coins' aka tally sticks all the time during the middle ages | [04:38] |
mircea_popescu | now how would you confuse those two ? | [04:39] |
BingoBoingo | Or Beads in Manhattan | [04:39] |
mircea_popescu | tally sticks are an implementation of a bookkeeping system, not coins in any sense. | [04:39] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: see also 'hawala' in moslem world, 1000+ yrs. | [04:39] |
BlueMeanie4 | what is your point? | [04:39] |
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BingoBoingo | !up bats_cd03 | [04:40] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;google "tin women, that's what" | [04:40] |
gribble | Cast, nuanced writing keep Peninsula Players' 'Tin Woman ...: |
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mircea_popescu | tsk. | [04:40] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: point was a question. how does it follow that a 'flexible' currency supply is a useful thing? | [04:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ < there | [04:40] |
assbot | The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [04:40] |
BlueMeanie4 | because it's not limited by some supply of some commodity | [04:41] |
BlueMeanie4 | all major money systems today are flexible money supplies | [04:41] |
asciilifeform | BlueMeanie4: if city hall were to bring in a truck full of wooden coins, would this cause the requisite trainload of produce to materialize ? | [04:41] |
TheNewDeal | BlueMeanie4 you offering call options? | [04:41] |
BlueMeanie4 | this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems | [04:41] |
BlueMeanie4 | gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality | [04:42] |
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mircea_popescu | is it ? | [04:42] |
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BlueMeanie4 | these questions are reminding me that I need to look at cat pictures | [04:43] |
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mircea_popescu | the point of bitcoin is to make equality impossible and life miserable for the majority. | [04:43] |
asciilifeform | it also helps gravity to keep working | [04:43] |
BlueMeanie4 | ill leave it at this | [04:44] |
BlueMeanie4 | as most of these dicussions go | [04:44] |
BlueMeanie4 | im not arguing for some strange mythical world- this is how it currently works | [04:44] |
mircea_popescu | well what do you expect. come here with exotic priors, expect everyone to accept them or else you gotta go watch cat pictures ?! | [04:44] |
BlueMeanie4 | youre advocating something that is not only unsupported in principle, it doesnt exist in reality either | [04:44] |
BlueMeanie4 | and strangely you believe you are the position to scoff at these points when they correspond fully to how our system works right now | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | seems to be existing just fine, but yeah, that's a point that can wait. might as well revisit it after it's inevitable and you know, cut in stone. | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | BlueMeanie4 if your system worked we wouldn't be here. | [04:45] |
BlueMeanie4 | so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well | [04:45] |
BlueMeanie4 | and we all know this is just a characteristic of a cult | [04:45] |
mircea_popescu | your system is so fucking dead it's funny to watch. | [04:45] |
bats_cd03 | hahahahaha | [04:45] |
bats_cd03 | careful consideration is a characteristic of a cult. jeez, what isn't these days. | [04:46] |
BlueMeanie4 | you dont have a system, all you have is a few people roughly convinced you have an alternative | [04:46] |
BlueMeanie4 | thats comical | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | "you got exotic priors" "they're widely accepted on my island" "so ?" "so you're a cult" "what's your island again ?" "Easter island." | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | totally. | [04:46] |
decimation | BlueMeanie4: you realize your argument of "all the cool countries do it" is not convincing? | [04:46] |
BlueMeanie4 | i dont have to convince anyone | [04:46] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, you kinda do. | [04:47] |
BlueMeanie4 | "all the cool countries do it"? | [04:47] |
mircea_popescu | see, the nude emperor system does depend on everyone staying convinced. | [04:47] |
asciilifeform | just as 'are you paranoid if the gasenwagen is actually on its way,' -- 'are you still in a cult if the alien comet ship is actually parked in orbit, and waiting to pick you up?' | [04:47] |
mircea_popescu | hard money however does not. it will convince you right into the ground. | [04:47] |
BlueMeanie4 | the problem is that the countries who didnt benefit from capitalism have a tendency to buy these broken ideas | [04:47] |
BlueMeanie4 | unfortunately it's not going to get you anywhere | [04:47] |
mircea_popescu | lolwut. | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | these borken ideas ARE capitalism. | [04:48] |
bats_cd03 | b-but, inequality? | [04:48] |
mircea_popescu | what you got going there in teh socialist states of the americaz however is not. | [04:48] |
BlueMeanie4 | later | [04:48] |
BingoBoingo | [04:48] | |
* | asciilifeform wonders what gear these folks will change into when it dawns on them that -all- of their gods are being pissed on, vs. an arbitrary selection thereof | [04:50] |
asciilifeform | incl. 'equality' and 'democracy' | [04:50] |
asciilifeform | and rounding off with the 'greatest good for greatest number' crapolade. | [04:51] |
mircea_popescu | should be fun. but anyway, bbl. | [04:51] |
decimation | asciilifeform: they will be derping to themselves as they dig ditches or whatever | [04:52] |
asciilifeform | decimation: only when they're done preying on the living | [04:52] |
bats_cd03 | i've been watching Attack on Titan, on netflix. is p good. | [04:53] |
* | danielpbarron slaps BingoBoingo around a bit with a large invite | [04:53] |
decimation | the thing is, he's absolutely right, the world is all his way right now. | [04:53] |
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asciilifeform | which brings us back to >> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << does one need to understand the structure of Au atom to plunder gold coins ? | [04:53] |
bats_cd03 | would recommend! | [04:53] |
decimation | asciilifeform: no but someone in charge needs to issue the proper orders, I doubt even this exists | [04:53] |
BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: Lulz | [04:53] |
danielpbarron | you guys don't have to !up them | [04:54] |
bats_cd03 | !s http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ | [04:54] |
assbot | Taylor Swift quotes by @SwiftOnSecurity - Imgur | [04:54] |
assbot | 1 results for 'http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fa%2F1PDRJ | [04:54] |
BingoBoingo | danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo to get the ability to up themselves | [04:55] |
danielpbarron | i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing | [04:55] |
thestringpuller | bats_cd03: I'm very picky with anime lol | [04:55] |
thestringpuller | I even find Trigun hard to watch sometimes. | [04:55] |
bats_cd03 | whats hard to watch about Trigun? | [04:55] |
asciilifeform | decimation: no need for fuhrer's orders. plenty of usg viceroys, on various levels, are in a position to plunder coin. some will wake up and understand that this gives them a shot at living slightly longer - and do it. | [04:55] |
decimation | danielpbarron: I don't mind doubters, I just want one with the ability to provide points that rate above the "derp" level | [04:55] |
asciilifeform | a national 'shadow treasury' for the loot to end up in - is not a necessary hypothesis. | [04:56] |
decimation | asciilifeform: there is a point there. when bitcoin ramps up another order of magnitude in price, the "plunder" signal is plain for all to see | [04:56] |
decimation | at some point the dollar/bitcoin price becomes a bat-signal that psychologically overwhelms the "it's not money" derpage | [04:57] |
danielpbarron | 09:54 <+BingoBoingo> danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo << do you mean they socially engineer their way in? (because the ability to !up yourself depends on the approval of at least 1 pre-existing member) | [04:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00068911 = 5.065 BTC [-] | [04:58] |
BingoBoingo | ;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4 | [04:58] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BlueMeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BlueMeanie4 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BlueMeanie4 | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014 | [04:58] |
BingoBoingo | O.o | [04:58] |
danielpbarron | ohhh SNAP | [04:58] |
decimation | what is trusted can also be untrusted | [04:59] |
asciilifeform | ;;rate BlueMeanie4 -1 usg muppet. | [05:00] |
bats_cd03 | http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.16186,y.2014,no.3,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx | [05:00] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded. | [05:00] |
assbot | American Scientist - The Magazine of Sigma XI, The Scientific Research Society | [05:00] |
bats_cd03 | 'the quest for randomness' | [05:01] |
BingoBoingo | !b 7 | [05:01] |
assbot | Last 7 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/240Y916.txt ) | [05:01] |
asciilifeform | bats_cd03: the most interesting part of such articles is, as often the case - what isn't said. | [05:02] |
bats_cd03 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpiQiySOHE | [05:02] |
assbot | YTCracker - Surgerunner - YouTube | [05:02] |
bats_cd03 | asciilifeform: go on | [05:02] |
asciilifeform | bats_cd03: that is - the implicit endorsement of the pseudoscientific concept of 'random' | [05:03] |
bats_cd03 | i figured, but had to ask | [05:03] |
bats_cd03 | was browsing msdn yesterday -- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ff975191%28v=vs.85%29.aspx | [05:03] |
assbot | canPlayType method (Internet Explorer) | [05:03] |
bats_cd03 | canPlayType() returns... "", "probably", "maybe" | [05:03] |
thestringpuller | bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop | [05:03] |
thestringpuller | which isn't even a bad...good scale more like a "weird...straight forward" scale | [05:04] |
decimation | asciilifeform: it reads like mathematical masturbation to me | [05:04] |
thestringpuller | if that makes any sense | [05:04] |
asciilifeform | bats_cd03: 'random' means one thing if you're running 'monte carlo' sims (digits of 'pi' work beautifully, as does 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (rand corp, 1955. book.)) | [05:04] |
asciilifeform | and quite another for cryptography | [05:04] |
decimation | watch as I abuse the assumptions in this formula... next week, I try another! | [05:05] |
bats_cd03 | i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography | [05:06] |
asciilifeform | (where the only thing that matters is the difficulty, for the enemy, of obtaining prior knowledge of the bits, and not any measurable mathematical attribute per se) | [05:06] |
decimation | !up dsherm | [05:06] |
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dsherm | thanks | [05:06] |
asciilifeform | bats_cd03: the subject has very little to do with cryptography in the usual sense. it touches on what can only be described as a philosophical confusion (a deliberately-propagated one, at that.) | [05:06] |
dsherm | nice to witness hard money supporters in action | [05:07] |
decimation | asciilifeform: in this sense cryptography is "fragile" in Taleb's way of thinking - it has a very deep but very tiny "crack" | [05:07] |
asciilifeform | decimation: the 'crack' of - if the enemy learns your key, yer phucked? | [05:08] |
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BingoBoingo | !up vmuser | [05:09] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: yes that, but even more - you must keep the tools to 'break' it yourself to make it useful | [05:09] |
vmuser | Why +m if everybody gets +v? :) | [05:09] |
decimation | dsherm: are you a fan of hard money? | [05:09] |
BingoBoingo | vmuser: Because not everyone keeps +v | [05:10] |
asciilifeform | decimation: in the sense that you possess the plaintext at some point ? | [05:10] |
vmuser | Fair enugh | [05:10] |
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dsherm | only got interested in econ post 2008 | [05:10] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: yes, and the keys | [05:10] |
decimation | asciilifeform: thus leading to the logic that someone must create a useful 'secure terminal' | [05:11] |
asciilifeform | decimation: and the keys << nope. go encipher an rsa message to me and then break it without my priv key | [05:11] |
asciilifeform | or your plaintext | [05:11] |
dsherm | decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure | [05:11] |
decimation | asciilifeform: right, but in the current computing world that exists, you must reveal your secrets to some von nuemann machine | [05:12] |
decimation | /s/nuemann/neumann/ | [05:12] |
asciilifeform | decimation: i and perhaps a few other people did suggest, half-seriously, that people could learn to carry out, e.g., rsa, using mental arithmetic shortcuts of some variety | [05:12] |
asciilifeform | but if captured by the enemy, you still confess the plaintext when hanging upside down over a nice hot fire | [05:13] |
asciilifeform | this is not a shortcoming of cryptography. | [05:13] |
decimation | asciilifeform: this is true. putting the 'weak link' on the human's shoulders puts a spotlight on his foibles | [05:14] |
asciilifeform | 'mental rsa' is mostly useful as a gedankenexperiment. | [05:14] |
asciilifeform | for ferreting out just what it is that people really want. | [05:14] |
decimation | it's possible that a public key encryption system could exist that would be mentally tractable | [05:15] |
asciilifeform | if you could somehow harness the considerable mass of neural tissue devoted to various 'everyday' tasks for this purpose - it is certain. | [05:15] |
decimation | like the 3-d calculus required to catch a ball? | [05:16] |
asciilifeform | consider the methods 'mnemonists' (a kind of stage magician) use to memorize multiple kBytes of, e.g, the digits of 'pi' | [05:16] |
asciilifeform | and/or, the several known mental arithmetic systems, like the kind invented by trachtenberg (while starving in auschwitz!) | [05:17] |
decimation | dsherm: I agree with you, I don't see how the world 'reverses' bitcoin as an invention | [05:17] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: some kind of 'memory palace' with a calculator :) | [05:17] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: catch a ball << bad example. when high-speed photography appeared, people learned that man (and dog, and circus lion) do not catch balls by computing integrals, but through 'bang-bang correction' | [05:17] |
asciilifeform | which is not to say that one could not, hypothetically, compute a numerical solution to something-or-other by tossing balls. | [05:19] |
dsherm | decimation: well they're gonna try. soon i suspect? i also wonder if bitcoin is the black swan that causes the next crisis | [05:19] |
asciilifeform | but we were contemplating specifically mental computation. | [05:19] |
asciilifeform | s/causes/blamed for | [05:19] |
decimation | asciilifeform: yeah this brings up stuff that humans do well that computers cannot | [05:20] |
* | asciilifeform merely argues that mental rsa is not the total absurdity it appears to be on first glance | [05:21] |
asciilifeform | !s karatsuba anthem | [05:21] |
assbot | 2 results for 'karatsuba anthem' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=karatsuba+anthem | [05:21] |
asciilifeform | (fictional) | [05:21] |
decimation | asciilifeform: it does seem that mental rsa is more likely to be useful than a totally new system | [05:21] |
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asciilifeform | decimation: not that we're necessarily stuck with rsa for all time, but the burden of proof on anyone suggesting an alternative is bowl-loosening, if you apprehend it. | [05:23] |
asciilifeform | *bowel | [05:23] |
decimation | asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues) | [05:24] |
asciilifeform | were it not for the doubts, folks would piss on the patents | [05:24] |
asciilifeform | as they did on rsa's. | [05:24] |
decimation | asciilifeform: what do you think about djb's curve parameters? | [05:25] |
decimation | he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think.. | [05:25] |
* | asciilifeform if knew anything worth saying - wouldn't say | [05:26] |
asciilifeform | or, more specifically, wouldn't have waited to be asked | [05:27] |
decimation | asciilifeform: good point. for the interested: http://cr.yp.to/ecdh.html | [05:27] |
assbot | Curve25519: high-speed elliptic-curve cryptography | [05:27] |
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dsherm | +i | [05:28] |
* | asciilifeform is always entertained when people come and ask, e.g., 'can you break rsa?' | [05:28] |
asciilifeform | 'can you fart a thermonuke?' --- 'sure, just this one time, only for you' | [05:28] |
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TheNewDeal | ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist | [05:29] |
gribble | Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system. | [05:29] |
TheNewDeal | authed | [05:29] |
asciilifeform | lol, scientist | [05:29] |
TheNewDeal | since when am I not | [05:29] |
TheNewDeal | ;;ident | [05:29] |
gribble | Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.97.210.1', is not identified. | [05:29] |
TheNewDeal | ;;eauth TheNewDeal | [05:30] |
gribble | Request successful for user TheNewDeal, hostmask TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.97.210.1. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77 | [05:30] |
decimation | perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings | [05:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00068911 = 6.96 BTC [-] | [05:31] |
TheNewDeal | no way | [05:31] |
TheNewDeal | then some asshat could just give you a large neg rating | [05:32] |
decimation | not a weighted average | [05:32] |
TheNewDeal | ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:67f5ee9a233015ace7f97d653aa7641f771e48d20b95b6c5504d1317 | [05:32] |
gribble | You are now authenticated for user TheNewDeal with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77 | [05:32] |
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decimation | if 10 people rate you -1, should that be balanced by one 10? | [05:32] |
TheNewDeal | ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist. may negrate soon | [05:32] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded. | [05:32] |
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TheNewDeal | have there been a larger than normal amount of random names dropping by for a day as of late? | [05:36] |
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decimation | !up dsherm | [05:38] |
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dsherm | thx | [05:38] |
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dsherm | TheNewDeal: i will probably be one of those guys. i gotta learn how to use this irc thing | [05:39] |
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dsherm | first | [05:40] |
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decimation | dsherm: what brought you here? | [05:40] |
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dsherm | was reading contravex blog | [05:40] |
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TheNewDeal | tell us more | [05:41] |
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TheNewDeal | what was the contravex blog blagging about | [05:41] |
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dsherm | i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots | [05:42] |
dsherm | TheNewDeal: bitcoin and deflation | [05:42] |
danielpbarron | reddit has libertarian roots? what now? | [05:43] |
TheNewDeal | 5 thumbs up http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ | [05:44] |
assbot | The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [05:44] |
TheNewDeal | this is one of my pet peeves. bitcoin is not libertarian | [05:44] |
TheNewDeal | it's bitcoin | [05:44] |
dsherm | danielpbarron: well r/bitcoin used to be more libertarian | [05:44] |
decimation | dsherm: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly | [05:45] |
dsherm | TheNewDeal: Bitcoin is hard money which appeals to libertarians | [05:45] |
TheNewDeal | sure, but it appeals to democrats, republicans, and anarchists, and anyone on the earth with more than 5 brain cells and a computer | [05:46] |
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BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Well, a difference is who it appealed to and when | [05:47] |
dsherm | TheNewDeal: well then a greater percentage of anarchists seem to have more than 5 brain cells | [05:47] |
TheNewDeal | i think it appealed to cryptographers first and foremost | [05:48] |
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dsherm | TheNewDeal: i suspect those crypto were also libertarians | [05:49] |
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RagnarDanneskjol | that makes sense - the dewey decimal system is rather cryptic | [05:49] |
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TheNewDeal | suspect what you will. I'm just saying it appeals to those who understand it, and I've seen cases of libertards not doing that | [05:50] |
decimation | TheNewDeal: the pro-state element (most of whom you named) certainly are not fans of hard money, insofar as it upsets the status quote (state controls money) | [05:50] |
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ben_vulpes | did he ever get it? | [05:51] |
dsherm | TheNewDeal: They may understand bitcoin but do they understand the implications of it | [05:51] |
ben_vulpes | ;;gettrust bluemeanie4 | [05:51] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user bluemeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=bluemeanie4 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bluemeanie4 | Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014 | [05:51] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: what's the deal with your rating of bluemeanie4? | [05:51] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: read log ? | [05:51] |
TheNewDeal | many of the pro-statists don't like the status quo. Haven't you seen all the hippies complain about the 1%? | [05:51] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: no fun, you | [05:52] |
TheNewDeal | obummer ran on the pretense of "Change" | [05:52] |
decimation | TheNewDeal: good point. it would be a mistake to attempt to analyze pablum with logic | [05:52] |
asciilifeform | TheNewDeal: they like the status quo just fine, in most aspects. just not the present allocation of the loot. | [05:53] |
asciilifeform | !up jborkl | [05:53] |
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decimation | as moldbug would say, the pro-state element survives on the promise of getting an ever shrinking shard of 'power' | [05:53] |
jborkl | Thank you | [05:53] |
ben_vulpes | salud jborkl | [05:54] |
ben_vulpes | do you have a wot handle? | [05:54] |
jborkl | Jborkl_ | [05:54] |
ben_vulpes | ;;gettrust Jborkl_ | [05:54] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Jborkl_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jborkl_ | Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012 | [05:54] |
kakobrekla | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811157 | [05:55] |
assbot | Logged on 27-08-2014 01:01:27; *: asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.' | [05:55] |
kakobrekla | did you find it? | [05:55] |
asciilifeform | TheNewDeal: wtf is a 'usg scientist' in this context? something akin to 'christian scientist' (TM) ? | [05:55] |
jborkl | Damn 2012, I have to get a life | [05:55] |
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asciilifeform | kakobrekla: sadly not | [05:56] |
* | asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though | [05:56] |
[]bot | Bet placed: 1.09570735 BTC for No on "Gold will close above USD 2000 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/759/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.51127835 BTC. Current weight: 33,377. | [05:56] |
kakobrekla | k | [05:56] |
dsherm | decimation: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly....why is lib silly | [05:57] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though << one of many reasons I advertise my drinking, keeps this feasible | [05:57] |
TheNewDeal | asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular | [05:57] |
jborkl | How did the mike_c IPO go? Did not keep up enough lately | [05:58] |
BingoBoingo | Hearn? | [05:58] |
kakobrekla | i thought hallucinations are default in us. | [05:58] |
BingoBoingo | jborkl: I believe everything sold above the advertised price | [05:58] |
decimation | dsherm: by what means are you going to limit the size of the state? | [05:58] |
TheNewDeal | i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla | [05:58] |
asciilifeform | TheNewDeal: to usg, the only 'problem in bitcoin' is that it exists. | [05:58] |
jborkl | Sweet , that is great | [05:58] |
* | asciilifeform hallucinations are default in us << was not supplied with the correct drugs by warden, reduced to sobriety | [05:59] |
BingoBoingo | ;;google bud light whatever colorado | [05:59] |
gribble | Crested Butte to be Bud Light's 'Whatever' town - US News: [05:59] |
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dsherm | decimation: it was limited in the past by an inferior form of hard money called gold. | [05:59] |
decimation | asciilifeform: welcome to the desert of the real | [05:59] |
asciilifeform | ;;google lem futurological congress drug | [06:00] |
gribble | The Futurological Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: [06:00] |
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TheNewDeal | ;;ticker | [06:01] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 514.77, Best ask: 515.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.18000, Last trade: 514.91, 24 hour volume: 6391.36590481, 24 hour low: 503.81, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 510.090272665 | [06:01] |
asciilifeform | (visitor to faraway planet takes forbidden 'sobriogenic' pill, notices that no robots, only idiots who think they're robots; takes a yet more forbidden pill, notices other things are absent as well... etc) | [06:01] |
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jborkl | ben_vulpes how is the advertising going? | [06:02] |
decimation | dsherm: there is some point to this, but as long as the state has a 'monopoly on violence' this isn't much of a limit | [06:02] |
TheNewDeal | couple thousand coins sitting between 500, not the ten thousand there were before the dip | [06:02] |
ben_vulpes | jborkl: some amount of market validation. still mostly insiders. | [06:02] |
ben_vulpes | running on bitbet now, coinroll's advertising a bit now | [06:03] |
dsherm | decimation: you need to be able to pay for that monopoly though | [06:03] |
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jborkl | I think it is a terrific idea and good timing | [06:03] |
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decimation | dsherm: that is a good point | [06:04] |
BingoBoingo | jborkl: You see the stats on the venue page yet? http://van-ads.com/venues | [06:04] |
kakobrekla | asciilifeform sounds like a fun book | [06:04] |
assbot | Vulpes Ad Network | [06:04] |
asciilifeform | kakobrekla: it is. | [06:04] |
dsherm | gotta run bye and thx | [06:04] |
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* | BingoBoingo not sure it has been 7 days since those started and BitBet's started last night | [06:04] |
ben_vulpes | ^^ that's true enough | [06:05] |
kakobrekla | bitbet slander ! | [06:05] |
ben_vulpes | its a pretty dumb-dumb implementation of impression tracking too - bitbet's numbers are only going to go up for the next 5 days or so | [06:05] |
ben_vulpes | hey at least bitbet has > 10% uptime | [06:05] |
ben_vulpes | dun know by how much but | [06:05] |
kakobrekla | > 20 by now. | [06:05] |
ben_vulpes | oh twenty hey | [06:06] |
assbot | eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 | [06:06] |
jborkl | Nice, not I had not seen that yet | [06:06] |
asciilifeform | !up eightyeight | [06:06] |
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ben_vulpes | !up eightyeight | [06:06] |
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BingoBoingo | BitBet is going to win the impressions race | [06:06] |
BingoBoingo | Unless MP saves an obscure but beloved software project again | [06:06] |
ben_vulpes | not that those are umbers that really matter | [06:06] |
eightyeight | thx | [06:06] |
kakobrekla | asciilifeform got a pdf or somesuch per chance? | [06:07] |
ben_vulpes | eightyeight: WHAT---is your name? | [06:07] |
asciilifeform | kakobrekla: in what language ? | [06:07] |
kakobrekla | lol. | [06:07] |
ben_vulpes | eightyeight: WHAT---is your quest? | [06:07] |
kakobrekla | english would do | [06:07] |
* | asciilifeform saw one english translation, it was terrible | [06:07] |
BingoBoingo | ben_vulpes: They don't matter beyond telling fluffypony to STFU and blog moar | [06:07] |
kakobrekla | a. | [06:07] |
kakobrekla | that bad? | [06:07] |
asciilifeform | get it in some, any, slavic one | [06:07] |
ben_vulpes | yeah fluffypony you gotta make some posts b | [06:08] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts | [06:08] |
eightyeight | ben_vulpes: to seek the holy grail! | [06:08] |
asciilifeform | not that those are umbers that really matter << they matter. | [06:08] |
asciilifeform | sadly | [06:09] |
asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#793473 | [06:09] |
assbot | Logged on 12-08-2014 21:19:59; asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'... | [06:09] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: the purist | [06:10] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: http://lib.misto.kiev.ua/LEM/futuro.txt | [06:10] |
assbot | : . / / | [06:10] |
asciilifeform | plain ascii txt. | [06:10] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Thanks, I'll chew on it | [06:10] |
asciilifeform | http://vk.com/doc-43066394_195440371?hash=a20d107bab2e1c016a&dl=4de11202a3bbaf8cf4 | [06:10] |
TheNewDeal | asciilifeform that book looks awesome | [06:10] |
assbot | Lem Stanislaw - Kongres Futurologiczny.pdf | [06:10] |
asciilifeform | ^original | [06:10] |
asciilifeform | (pl) | [06:10] |
decimation | asciilifeform: vk.com is an excellent place to find original krtek videos | [06:11] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: purist << just that 'my site has adz now' is worth more to me than pocket change | [06:11] |
decimation | as well as all kinds of soviet strange | [06:11] |
TheNewDeal | anywhere to find an engrish version :( | [06:11] |
asciilifeform | TheNewDeal: engrish version << library? | [06:11] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: You've never chewed on strange languages before? | [06:12] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: it's not any kind of a denigration | [06:12] |
jborkl | Ben_vulpes. Explain how it pays? Not sure on the pool btc | [06:12] |
TheNewDeal | i've only dabbled in spanish | [06:12] |
ben_vulpes | ah well you see people bid what they're willing to pay for a day | [06:12] |
ben_vulpes | every day has a pool, the sum of coins bid on it for that day | [06:12] |
ben_vulpes | each ad runs proportionately to its bid relative to the rest of the pool | [06:13] |
ben_vulpes | venue operators rake in 99% of the bids. we take the bitcoin gold standard 1%. | [06:13] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle | [06:13] |
* | asciilifeform would ask for the ads, if he had any reason to think that some weirdo would bid enough right away to recompense for 'my site ever had ads' | [06:13] |
TheNewDeal | in russian? or what is that language :/ | [06:13] |
BingoBoingo | TheNewDeal: Identifying the language is the most fun part | [06:13] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: i think we all understand where your ask is and where the bids currently are. as much as i'd love to have the slot, you have to want it as well for the deal to make any sense for both of us. | [06:14] |
ben_vulpes | it's supposed to be a win-win. | [06:14] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: yes. just explaining the mechanics. | [06:14] |
TheNewDeal | russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian | [06:15] |
decimation | some things simply resist commercialism | [06:15] |
TheNewDeal | have you read of book We? | [06:15] |
asciilifeform | TheNewDeal: even if you don't care for languages at all - learn it, and it's as if copyrasty never existed | [06:15] |
TheNewDeal | the book* | [06:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6935 @ 0.00068889 = 4.7775 BTC [-] {2} | [06:15] |
* | BingoBoingo rememebers "There's no such thing as a standard deal" bandied about here before | [06:15] |
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asciilifeform | virtually every book ever printed, in plain text. | [06:15] |
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TheNewDeal | copyrasty? | [06:15] |
asciilifeform | copyright | [06:15] |
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TheNewDeal | ahhh | [06:16] |
ben_vulpes | ;;ud pederasty | [06:16] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pederast | Used incorrectly in the media as another word for pedophilia, pederasty is commonly confused for the obsession or desire for child pornography. Pederasty is ... | [06:16] |
decimation | all kinds of fiat research has shown improvements in multiple cognitive traits in the multilingual | [06:16] |
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ben_vulpes | bang-up programmers work well in a myriad of environments. | [06:17] |
asciilifeform | decimation: not that this can be ruled out, but it smells of the same logic that would have us all move to japan to extend lifespan | [06:17] |
decimation | asciilifeform: this is true, it does seem to beg the question | [06:17] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Or would have us all typing lojban | [06:18] |
TheNewDeal | ;;later tell mike_c what's going on with the War, man? | [06:18] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [06:18] |
asciilifeform | deliberate reversal of the 'arrow of causation' is a favourite tactic of academtards | [06:18] |
ben_vulpes | mike_c's on vacation yo | [06:18] |
asciilifeform | 'get married, you'll grow taller' | [06:18] |
TheNewDeal | his website took a shit | [06:18] |
kakobrekla | i thought its 'fatter' | [06:19] |
BingoBoingo | !b 3 | [06:19] |
assbot | Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DHCF5A.txt ) | [06:19] |
asciilifeform | fatter - works. | [06:19] |
asciilifeform | taller - not so much | [06:19] |
decimation | asciilifeform: indeed. usually this reversal of causation is a way to route around politically incorrect truths | [06:19] |
ben_vulpes | [06:20] | |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: trolls, feeding of | [06:20] |
ben_vulpes | i do what i want | [06:21] |
asciilifeform | lol | [06:21] |
decimation | ben_vulpes: note he didn't answer my question about a finite quantity of money being sufficient | [06:21] |
ben_vulpes | who cares | [06:21] |
ben_vulpes | all i know is that the house is on fire | [06:21] |
ben_vulpes | (don't complain if it gets wet when i put it out...) | [06:21] |
asciilifeform | funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun | [06:22] |
BingoBoingo | In considering ben_vulpes ad platform we knwo the people who have advertised on the blogs established in #b-a's life and wonders who will come of of the shadows to advertise on Loper... because unexpected figures may emerge... | [06:23] |
asciilifeform | lol | [06:23] |
ben_vulpes | BingoBoingo: actually, you don't know the people. | [06:23] |
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ben_vulpes | all you know are the links they're linking. | [06:23] |
* | asciilifeform won't hold breath waiting for this manna from sky | [06:23] |
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* | decimation is depressed about usg beating the new new new iraq war drums | [06:23] |
TheNewDeal | is this 8 Восьмой ? | [06:23] |
ben_vulpes | even all i know is the gpg key the user uses to sign up and any funding addresses | [06:24] |
BingoBoingo | ben_vulpes: I remember stumbling into asciilifeform's hypercard post well before I did the same into bitcoin... Through /. of all places | [06:24] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ? | [06:24] |
ben_vulpes | well its not free. | [06:25] |
asciilifeform | aha! | [06:25] |
ben_vulpes | and it's not strictly a minimum. | [06:25] |
* | asciilifeform doesn't expect freebies. but won't pay to construct manna-from-sky catcher. | [06:25] |
ben_vulpes | but you can run your own ad whatever fraction of the time you're willing to pay for... | [06:26] |
decimation | how much for 0 seconds? | [06:26] |
ben_vulpes | mind you van still takes 1% of your baseline pool, even though the rest goes back directly to you. | [06:26] |
ben_vulpes | tanstaafl, so to speak. | [06:26] |
asciilifeform | -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) | [06:27] |
ben_vulpes | and a complicated optimization problem to boot. | [06:27] |
nubbins` | ben_vulpes we'll eventually issue a compilation, but you can find that particular song somewhere on our website | [06:27] |
ben_vulpes | ;;calc 0.0015 * 365 * 0.01 | [06:27] |
gribble | 0.005475 | [06:27] |
decimation | ben_vulpes: seems like a cool system, but would Leibniz decorate his Theodicee with ads for cookies? | [06:27] |
ben_vulpes | cookies today, dubloons tomorrow. | [06:28] |
ben_vulpes | bitcoins at all times. | [06:28] |
asciilifeform | decimation: if peter I pays, sure. | [06:28] |
asciilifeform | decimation: but he paid more than pocket change. | [06:28] |
BingoBoingo | [06:28] | |
ben_vulpes | see BingoBoingo's looking at the long term. patience, stamina... | [06:29] |
asciilifeform | ah see, sale of anal virginity is a non-linear business | [06:29] |
ben_vulpes | he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform does | [06:29] |
ben_vulpes | this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing | [06:30] |
* | asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' | [06:30] |
BingoBoingo | [06:30] | |
ben_vulpes | different points on the trajectory | [06:31] |
ben_vulpes | well, curve. | [06:31] |
decimation | asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/23/Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg/640px-Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg | [06:31] |
asciilifeform | decimation: lol. and 'tesla' cars. etc | [06:31] |
ben_vulpes | * asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' :( | [06:32] |
asciilifeform | perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. | [06:32] |
decimation | asciilifeform: lol | [06:32] |
BingoBoingo | [06:32] | |
asciilifeform | ;;google harry potter vibrating broom | [06:33] |
gribble | Harry Potter and the Vibrating Broom - Top 10 Dubious Toys - TIME: |
[06:33] |
asciilifeform | i vaguely recall some weirdo suggested, one time, offering money for tattoo ad space. | [06:34] |
asciilifeform | how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one? | [06:34] |
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BingoBoingo | http://trilema.com/2014/a-sad-story-illustrated/ | [06:35] |
assbot | A sad story, illustrated pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [06:35] |
asciilifeform | lol | [06:36] |
BingoBoingo | Loper is bigger than WaPo | [06:36] |
* | asciilifeform recalls actually having a fresh post that month, to be fair | [06:36] |
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asciilifeform | 'We have established what you are, madam. We are now merely haggling over the price.' | [06:37] |
decimation | asciilifeform: Der Werbeslogan lautete 1898: „Was ißt die Menschheit unterwegs? Na selbstverständlich Leibniz Cakes!“ "The 1898 advertisement: What does humanity eat while on the move? Why Leibniz Cakes of course! | [06:38] |
asciilifeform | a proper 'leibniz cake' would probably be topped with 'panzerschokolade'. | [06:39] |
decimation | it goes on to say that apparently Leibniz researched a method for producing a hard biscut for feeding soldiers on the march | [06:39] |
decimation | apparently he came up with something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwieback | [06:43] |
assbot | Zwieback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | [06:43] |
asciilifeform | also a favourite cuisine in russian prisons. | [06:43] |
* | BingoBoingo wonders if asciilifeform is a sufficient masochist to try building Loper on the back of his MIPS or if MIPS workstation will be an intermediate product... | [06:44] |
decimation | asciilifeform: did the zeks eat melba toast | [06:44] |
asciilifeform | there's even an expression, 'сухари сушить' - 'to dry [your] breadings' - meaning to prepare for prison | [06:44] |
decimation | asciilifeform: lol | [06:44] |
kakobrekla | yeah i have it on the counter. | [06:44] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: 'can't go to the moon by stacking chairs' | [06:44] |
decimation | BingoBoingo: MIPS workstations are easy to purchase, buy an old sparc | [06:44] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: SPARC is RISC, sure, but not quite minimal instruction.. | [06:45] |
BingoBoingo | . | [06:45] |
* | asciilifeform has desk covered in perfectly ordinary, off-the-shelf mips workstations. none cost > 10 usd. | [06:46] |
decimation | BingoBoingo: write your own "brainfuck" machine on fpga if you want minimal | [06:46] |
asciilifeform | (none is much bigger than a deck of cards.) | [06:46] |
decimation | asciilifeform: do you also have one of those tadpoles? | [06:47] |
decimation | surely those are available surplus for cheap these days | [06:47] |
asciilifeform | "brainfuck" machine on fpga >> nope. (why not? >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55) | [06:47] |
assbot | Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it. | [06:47] |
* | BingoBoingo envisions not ancientware or deck or cards but something that fits in an ATX case, roughly 2009 midrange intel performance | [06:47] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: Tadpole laptops are still as expensive as fuck | [06:48] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: pick up an 'octane' | [06:48] |
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asciilifeform | (why you want it? i've no idea. but there they are.) | [06:48] |
decimation | BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus | [06:48] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I've looked at the SGI octane | [06:48] |
decimation | asciilifeform: well it is certainly true that 'brainfuck' is not a habitable bedrock | [06:49] |
decimation | it would beg to be 'compiled' | [06:49] |
BingoBoingo | decimation> BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus << I imagine problem is more akin to why everything Alpha is still as expensive as fuck | [06:49] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: a well-worn alpha is dirt cheap. i threw away five of them a few years ago. | [06:50] |
asciilifeform | (put on 'ebay', no one bid.) | [06:50] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: But the later ones have this dilema where they are advertised for quite a bit or scrapped | [06:50] |
* | decimation remembers playing with alpha machine circa 2001, thinking it was quaint | [06:50] |
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asciilifeform | the only actual good thing about the alpha was that the spec fit in a thin paperback book. | [06:51] |
asciilifeform | same re: mips. | [06:51] |
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asciilifeform | nothing magical here. | [06:51] |
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decimation | usg doesn't allow its surplus computers which have touched anything sensitive to return to reality unharmed | [06:51] |
decimation | probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect | [06:52] |
asciilifeform | this is a recent thing, or there'd be no surplus 'symbolics' hardware at all. | [06:52] |
asciilifeform | now they have 'shoot here' stickers on cheapo 'dell' laptops. | [06:52] |
asciilifeform | (why? churn inventory. 'everybody's happy.') | [06:52] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: back in WWII almost nothing was classified | [06:53] |
asciilifeform | smbx was king at the height of reaganoid spymania | [06:53] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/ | [06:54] |
assbot | A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog | [06:54] |
asciilifeform | but 'in WWII almost nothing was classified' is mistake. witness the rarity of 'norden's bombsight' even in museums today. | [06:54] |
BingoBoingo | Well, you don't need classified when everyone is treated like adults | [06:54] |
decimation | asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified | [06:55] |
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asciilifeform | the historical roots of today's SOP are in the 'born secret' doctrine of u.s. nuke work | [06:55] |
asciilifeform | see - | [06:55] |
asciilifeform | http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/08/29/forbidden-spheres | [06:55] |
decimation | lol ebay search for 'tadpole' turns up... baby frogs | [06:55] |
assbot | Forbidden spheres | Restricted Data | [06:55] |
decimation | asciilifeform: If true, that's ironic considering the total failure of anyone to keep those secrets from day one | [06:56] |
asciilifeform | 'A security officer informed him that the orange he left on his desk was, in fact, a classified object. He learned that any spherical object became a nuclear secret once it passes over the line...' | [06:56] |
decimation | asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them? | [06:59] |
decimation | one imagines such cargo cults must be rampant | [06:59] |
asciilifeform | 'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' etc | [06:59] |
decimation | anyway with that I must retire, good evening gents | [07:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17979 @ 0.00068884 = 12.3847 BTC [-] | [07:04] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00069141 = 15.5913 BTC [+] | [07:09] |
asciilifeform | if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur. | [07:10] |
asciilifeform | notably absent from menu is 'retain army of thugs who know that spheres are interestingly secret' | [07:10] |
asciilifeform | pertinent proverb, 'if guard knew [what's in the box] he'd pinch it himself.' | [07:12] |
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mircea_popescu | decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues) << plus the fact schneier is pushing them | [07:38] |
mircea_popescu | you know, the schneier of "this is an interesting article on gpg by Random Asshat Greene, Cryptozoologist" | [07:38] |
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TheNewDeal | gotta find me a cryptozoologist position | [07:39] |
mircea_popescu | decimation: perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings << but it already does this. | [07:40] |
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TheNewDeal | how so> | [07:40] |
mircea_popescu | dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots << reddit ? libertarian roots ?! when did this happen. | [07:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00068884 = 1.5154 BTC [-] | [07:40] |
mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal l2 trust must be > 0 | [07:41] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes: did he ever get it? << yeah yeah. it's not THAT intuitive a system | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read log ? << lol what you seriously negged the guy ? | [07:43] |
mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change" << yeah but change that way not this way. | [07:44] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: keeps this feasible << and by feasible you mean plausible ? | [07:45] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes: not that those are umbers that really matter < yeah srsly, i wouldn't put much stock in that counter. | [07:49] |
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mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian << it's actually not nearly as hard as it seems. | [07:51] |
TheNewDeal | cryllic text looks daunting upfront | [07:52] |
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mircea_popescu | it's perfectl;y transliterable tho, which means the font is just a mask. | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | not such for stuff like chinese, say | [07:53] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun << i dun see it. | [07:55] |
TheNewDeal | reminds me of solving a http://www.wikihow.com/Image:Complete-a-Cryptogram-Step-1.jpg | [07:55] |
assbot | Image:Complete a Cryptogram Step 1.jpg - wikiHow | [07:55] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ? <<< open up for bids, bid 1 btc/day on your own thing, this way you're charged a bitcent a day and in exchange you get a guarantee that nobody willing to pay less than 1 btc per half your impressions shows up. | [07:57] |
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mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing < :D | [07:58] |
mircea_popescu | "experience ? what is that ?" | [07:58] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Yeah that one. | [08:00] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one? << what are weddng rings if not a system for slow-cooking tattoos ? | [08:00] |
asciilifeform | a bitcent a day << more than i'm willing to spend on lotto | [08:01] |
mircea_popescu | turns out this process is a lot more fundamental to bitcoin than originally thought. your exact argument can be brought by person at the brink of the wot, "i'll get in the wot if you guarantee me good deals" he may say. | [08:01] |
asciilifeform | being in wot doesn't void yer starfish warranty. | [08:01] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i just took some arbitrary numbers. you can make it 10 bitcents a day, in which case it costs 0.1 | [08:01] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform well now that's obviously all subjective neh ? | [08:02] |
mircea_popescu | generally the girls that've not yet been buggered tend to attach a lot more importance to it than the normal ones. | [08:02] |
* | asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site, but admittedly hasn't tried hard | [08:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00068957 = 6.2406 BTC [+] | [08:03] |
* | asciilifeform recently visited a restaurant he frequented as student, and noticed appearance of placemats with (very spammy) ads. | [08:03] |
* | asciilifeform was palpably dismayed, felt that the place must be in dire straits | [08:04] |
mircea_popescu | all places are in dire straits | [08:04] |
mircea_popescu | the mortgages made them wealthier. | [08:04] |
asciilifeform | sure did. | [08:04] |
mircea_popescu | * asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site << anyway, this is about fucking freedom, so, you know, enjoy fucking her. it's not about adding musts, it's about adding mays. | [08:05] |
asciilifeform | slow-cooking tattoos << or very fast cooking, if you do electrical or chemical work... | [08:05] |
mircea_popescu | if every time someone opened a steakhouse everyone had to go have steak there it'd be a sad world/ | [08:05] |
* | asciilifeform was not declaring van ad machine to be 'considered harmful' | [08:06] |
asciilifeform | but was asked at one point why he wasn't in, and answered | [08:06] |
assbot | Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter | [08:08] |
* | asciilifeform doesn't stop in crosswalks on busy streets to pick up penny, either. | [08:08] |
mircea_popescu | ha that's funny. | [08:09] |
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ben_vulpes | back to this "what is the value of a bitcoin" thing again | [08:11] |
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asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: closer to 'what is the value of a gram of soil' | [08:11] |
asciilifeform | if you have a gram - you have dusty fingers | [08:11] |
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asciilifeform | a few teratons - you have a potentially-habitable planetoid | [08:11] |
ben_vulpes | else a continent? | [08:11] |
ben_vulpes | myeah. | [08:12] |
ben_vulpes | grains today | [08:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0006922 = 5.3299 BTC [+] | [08:12] |
asciilifeform | dusty hands are worth less than nothing to me. planetoid - worth something. | [08:12] |
asciilifeform | herr newton does not tell us where the inflection point lies | [08:12] |
asciilifeform | or how many droplets of water is a flood. | [08:13] |
mircea_popescu | so http://altchain.org/ whence Web Design, Content Development and SEO by James Bryant. | [08:13] |
assbot | Welcome | altchain.org :: Open Source Peer-To-Peer Cryptofinance Infrastructure | [08:13] |
BingoBoingo | lulzy | [08:15] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform there actually is a c). | [08:15] |
asciilifeform | what'd that be | [08:15] |
ben_vulpes | https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwUFHE6KYsM0ZkxLVmFwbXQ3ck0/edit | [08:15] |
assbot | peer-to-peer-assets.pdf - Google Drive | [08:15] |
mircea_popescu | if the knowledge differential is large enough to approach the magic event horizon, hiding in plain sight works. | [08:15] |
TheNewDeal | ;;ident shovel_boss | [08:16] |
gribble | Nick 'shovel_boss', with hostmask 'shovel_boss!~shovel_bo@gateway/tor-sasl/shovelboss/x-56238960', is not identified. | [08:16] |
mircea_popescu | this is how the glorious lie was born in the first place. | [08:16] |
asciilifeform | yes but who engineers the mechanics of what is to be hidden, inside what. | [08:16] |
mircea_popescu | see, all romans know how the law works. | [08:16] |
mircea_popescu | none of the germans do | [08:16] |
mircea_popescu | c). | [08:16] |
mircea_popescu | they can even send ovid to live in the pontus, what'll that do. start a rome there, with the savages ? | [08:17] |
asciilifeform | this presumes that either - no roman will turn coat, and explain to a german - or - no german born can understand were it told to him | [08:17] |
mircea_popescu | if the differential is large enough | [08:17] |
asciilifeform | much the same way we keep arithmetic secret from dogs | [08:17] |
mircea_popescu | no german can understand it. period. | [08:17] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much, yes. | [08:17] |
asciilifeform | but we don't normally talk of keeping arithmetic secret from dogs | [08:17] |
mircea_popescu | keep the germans interested in who dumped who and what's the most recent popsong/sex tape | [08:18] |
mircea_popescu | and there you go. | [08:18] |
asciilifeform | the name of the exercise 'keeping secret' presumes an opponent capable of knowing | [08:18] |
mircea_popescu | well of course. SEE what a well kept secret it is ? | [08:18] |
mircea_popescu | the germans are human just as much as the romans. | [08:18] |
mircea_popescu | their incapcity is circumstantial and culturally constructed. | [08:18] |
mircea_popescu | it should qualify. | [08:18] |
asciilifeform | in card player's parlance, 'smoke more, give opponent CO poisoning' | [08:19] |
asciilifeform | works. | [08:19] |
mircea_popescu | how did the soviets keep their gdp secret ? and how are the us soviets keeping their gdp secret ? | [08:19] |
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asciilifeform | i suppose one might even then include a 'd)', 'sow crank bait' | [08:19] |
asciilifeform | (discredit nosy parkers) | [08:19] |
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mircea_popescu | good read that forbidden spheres thing. | [08:23] |
mircea_popescu | vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel. | [08:23] |
mircea_popescu | forget abject whiners a la eli weasel & co. | [08:23] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00068798 = 18.2315 BTC [-] {3} | [08:24] |
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mircea_popescu | !up beetcoin | [08:25] |
-assbot- | You voiced beetcoin for 30 minutes. | [08:25] |
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mircea_popescu | let me guess, it's ukrainian and backed by beet salad. | [08:25] |
beetcoin | hahaha | [08:25] |
beetcoin | proof of fertilizer | [08:25] |
asciilifeform | 'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. 'here have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease.'' | [08:26] |
asciilifeform | (attributed to warsaw ghetto death diary) | [08:26] |
beetcoin | very touching, asciilifeform. | [08:26] |
* | asciilifeform didn't invent | [08:27] |
TheNewDeal | put me down for one thousand beet coins | [08:30] |
TheNewDeal | i'm sold | [08:30] |
beetcoin | "Satan is glad when I am bad, / And hopes that I with him shall lie, / In fire and chains, and dreadful pains." -- Victorian child's poem | [08:30] |
beetcoin | you must grow your own beetcoins, TheNewDeal | [08:31] |
TheNewDeal | can I buy a farming contract? | [08:31] |
beetcoin | I'm sure someone will sell you one. | [08:31] |
mircea_popescu | dude victorians were seriously selling bdsm to preteens ? | [08:31] |
beetcoin | it would seem so | [08:32] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder what's the sum total of victorian girly orgasms generated by rubbing the nubbin more or less furiously to that song. | [08:32] |
beetcoin | i will give the answer for just a few beetshekels | [08:33] |
TheNewDeal | i want one thousand beetcoins, screw the shekels | [08:35] |
beetcoin | a pound of beets | [08:35] |
asciilifeform | https://archive.org/details/peepofdayorserie00mort | [08:35] |
asciilifeform | ^ source | [08:35] |
assbot | The peep of day : or, a series of the earliest religious instruction the infant mind is capable of receiving, with verses illustrative of the subjects : Mortimer, Favell Lee, 1802-1878 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive | [08:35] |
TheNewDeal | pound? that's not a thousand. I'm talking a kilo | [08:35] |
beetcoin | I'm sorry, I don't have any actual beetcoins | [08:35] |
mircea_popescu | jurov: Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, <<< aaa-hahahaha. | [08:36] |
TheNewDeal | ;;rate beetcoin 0 worthless to me | [08:36] |
gribble | Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero. | [08:36] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, totally. | [08:36] |
beetcoin | someone made this for me: http://a.pomf.se/xwjqzk.png | [08:36] |
beetcoin | best I have to offer | [08:36] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: lol re: the notion of 'controlling' a hypothetical 'superintelligent' machine. <<< i've controlled superintelligent womenz, they luv'd it. why'd the ai necessarily not enjoy it ? | [08:37] |
asciilifeform | question of degree. | [08:38] |
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asciilifeform | normally when people contemplate 'superintelligent' whatevers, if they use their imagination well, the machine is to us as we are to the bacterium | [08:38] |
mircea_popescu | okay... | [08:39] |
mircea_popescu | suppose i gave you an applesized cow that ran around the desk. | [08:39] |
mircea_popescu | wouldn't you cater to the ubercute desk cow ? | [08:40] |
asciilifeform | might, for a spell. and then sell it to some weirdo who might, for lulz, eat it on camera | [08:40] |
asciilifeform | like an oyster. | [08:40] |
mircea_popescu | for the spell, how would the cow ever know it's not controlling you. | [08:40] |
mircea_popescu | and yes, then we die. so ? | [08:40] |
beetcoin | thanks for +v mircea_popescu, I'll mainly lurk for a while after it expires, I'm interested in this channel | [08:41] |
asciilifeform | this sorta touches on 'housecats keep us pets' concept. | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | enjoy. | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform quite. | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | !up JimDowJones | [08:42] |
-assbot- | You voiced JimDowJones for 30 minutes. | [08:42] |
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JimDowJones | yo | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | ello. | [08:42] |
TheNewDeal | so hard to get voice in the channel; it's a barrier | [08:43] |
JimDowJones | i think i love irc | [08:44] |
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TheNewDeal | iirc | [08:45] |
mircea_popescu | ancient but dependable slut, irc. | [08:45] |
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JimDowJones | ya seriously what a slut | [08:49] |
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nubbins` | great barrier +veef | [08:56] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: re: herr vanunu: archetypical example of 'can have problems' | [08:57] |
asciilifeform | (bonus: look up who else sat in the same prison) | [08:57] |
asciilifeform | how does a tiny country with no useful minerals rape the planet? this is how. piss the buggers off - no wall is tall enough | [08:59] |
asciilifeform | (vanunu, for his part, insists they even plugged kennedy for 'rocking boat') | [09:00] |
TheNewDeal | read it tinny | [09:04] |
asciilifeform | 'assassin state' is a pretty good strategy. castle of alamut stood for ~200 years. | [09:04] |
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asciilifeform | (zapped by mongols, who didn't get the memo that they 'could also have problems') | [09:05] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 210 @ 0.00324433 = 0.6813 BTC [-] {6} | [09:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00068724 = 10.0681 BTC [-] | [09:40] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8451 @ 0.00069238 = 5.8513 BTC [+] {2} | [09:56] |
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BingoBoingo | !up cryptoflood | [10:09] |
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cryptoflood | hey | [10:10] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the only reason that thing stood is because it was placed somewhere not even the goats cared to inhabit. | [10:15] |
mircea_popescu | shitlandia kingdom is welcome to any delusions of self importance and grandeur - just as long as it packs and moves there. | [10:15] |
mircea_popescu | an' with that, im out. later all! | [10:16] |
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no_imagination | is everything logged? | [19:39] |
kakobrekla | aaand action! | [19:40] |
Apocalyptic | yes it is | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | TheNewDeal yes well, what's that do you know ? | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | ;;topic | [19:40] |
gribble | http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | no_imagination see the log one. | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | join/parts are not logged. | [19:40] |
no_imagination | ty | [19:40] |
ben_vulpes | lol jborkl graduated van to beta | [19:41] |
ben_vulpes | thanks boss | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes hey, it hasnt been haxxed so far rite ? | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | two weeks, qualifies. | [19:41] |
* | ben_vulpes has not run with the money | [19:41] |
ben_vulpes | /me, for the record, doesn't even hold the money | [19:41] |
* | ben_vulpes , for the record, doesn't even hold the money | [19:41] |
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mircea_popescu | and to start things up on the right leg : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svvCj4yhYc | [19:42] |
assbot | Flappers - The Roaring Twenties - YouTube | [19:42] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: ^ Only problem with that room is "No fumadores" << you can do better than that. | [19:48] |
mircea_popescu | that thing looks tiny and the "no fumadores" bs is laughable. | [19:48] |
asciilifeform | wait BingoBoingo escaped ? | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | jailbird can dream, cannit ? | [19:49] |
asciilifeform | aha | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | what, you jelly ? | [19:49] |
asciilifeform | lol | [19:49] |
* | asciilifeform dreams. of mobile oppression palace. http://theinfosphere.org/Mobile_Oppression_Palace | [19:49] |
assbot | Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki | [19:49] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00083649 = 12.5474 BTC [-] | [19:50] |
mircea_popescu | alabama sucks huh. | [19:50] |
mircea_popescu | Its destruction resulted in Earth being liberated, since the Mobile Oppression Palace had been the Decapodian's sole means of enforcing their rule on Earth. | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu | lmao yeah, that's totally how it works. lmao. | [19:51] |
* | asciilifeform can't attest how much alabama sucks, hasn't been to it | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu | who writes this crap. | [19:51] |
mircea_popescu | (it was a pun. mobile, alabama) | [19:51] |
asciilifeform | lol | [19:51] |
chetty | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735354/Obama-sidestep-Congress-signing-international-climate-change-agreement-leaked-United-Nations-report-reveals-severe-irreversible-impacts-global-warming.html | [19:51] |
assbot | President Barack Obama to sidestep Congress with international emissions agreement | Mail Online | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | what's congress even for ? | [19:52] |
mircea_popescu | i forget. | [19:53] |
chetty | to collect salaries and bribes | [19:53] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo also, it's in hipsterlandia. | [19:53] |
mircea_popescu | all gringos flock to palermo for some god forsaken reason. shit there is about 2x as expensive and the restaurants all look like they were kicked out of austin, tx. | [19:54] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ever been to brooklyn, ny ? | [19:54] |
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mircea_popescu | yes/ | [19:54] |
asciilifeform | where all the sorriest soviet escapees re-created their zoo | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | funny how that shit works, huh. | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | at some point the italians were working to recreate palermo there. | [19:55] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51406 @ 0.00084012 = 43.1872 BTC [+] {4} | [19:56] |
asciilifeform | if you're stuck in a zoolag it's one thing; if you escape and then re-build it, that's voluntary. | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | path of least resistence. | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | you see, creating a zoolag in the first place is a work of art. the zeks are the resistence of the medium | [19:56] |
asciilifeform | 'paris eats couscous' | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | the exact shape the gulag takes is a lot more a function of what the zeks put up with and how exactly | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | than of the original vision of the stalin in question. | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | consequently, of course they'll fucking recreate it. | [19:57] |
* | asciilifeform once thought this was known to everyone | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | well now it is, what with being in the logs an' all :D | [19:57] |
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mircea_popescu | Sheets and towels are changed twice a week. Maid service is included. Need your clothes washed? We'll take care. Need some help cooking or ordering take out? We can help. Any questions you might have don't hesitate to ask! I'm at your service! << "is the maid hot ?" | [19:58] |
BingoBoingo | Who knows? | [19:59] |
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mircea_popescu | "Get Paid to PARTY!!!! (CABA)" | [20:00] |
mircea_popescu | lmao they conveniently omit "must carry cona at all times!" | [20:00] |
mircea_popescu | . Staff are expected to interact with every single customer and make it a fun night no matter the size of the group, bad weather, bars closing at the last minute, long walks, drunken behavior, etc. << srsly. this is where the level is, irl, in this world. | [20:01] |
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mircea_popescu | this is what ppls gotta do to earn their bread. | [20:01] |
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danielpbarron | ;;rate eightyeight 1 https://twitter.com/AaronToponce | [20:01] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded. | [20:01] |
assbot | Aaron Toponce (AaronToponce) auf Twitter | [20:01] |
mircea_popescu | RagnarDanneskjol: think you need a passpuerto first << you can probably simply walk into mexico. you can definitely cross the border to guatemala on foot. once in guatemala, you can hit the local consulate for a temp passport and that's that. | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | poor soviets had it a lot harder, they had to walk to finland. it's fucking cold in finland. | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: Know any corporations that need Librarians? <<< ahahha this made my lol | [20:05] |
BingoBoingo | [20:05] | |
BingoBoingo | Dreams of cigarette powered balloons and homemade zepplins | [20:06] |
mircea_popescu | you gotta stop hussling poor innocent ppls tho. ragnar fellow is an actual recruiter, wtf do you want to do as a librarian. | [20:06] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: jailbird dream << http://www.wysotsky.com/1033.htm?1130 | [20:06] |
BingoBoingo | Eh make enough to escape. Have a second career as a party herder. | [20:07] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: what professions does he seek ? | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform according to himself in the log, any ? | [20:07] |
asciilifeform | but not librarians ? | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | well let's try and be reasonable, for like the first time this year here ? | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | who the fuck would hire a librarian. | [20:08] |
asciilifeform | ... a library. | [20:08] |
TheNewDeal | touche | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | no, actually, it wouldn't. | [20:08] |
TheNewDeal | who would NOT hire a librarian!? | [20:09] |
nubbins` | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg8557922#msg8557922 | [20:09] |
asciilifeform | true, they'll get a starving chemist etc | [20:09] |
assbot | Official CaVirtex.com Thread | [20:09] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [20:09] |
nubbins` | ^ cavirtex / havelock shenanigans | [20:09] |
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mircea_popescu | and this even if we don't go all b-a and consider a hire only something that comes with stock options. | [20:09] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` what'd they do this time ? | [20:09] |
nubbins` | trying to buy back everyone's "shares" while they scramble to pretend they've been a legitimate company this whole time | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | lol. | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | ALL THIS TIME! | [20:10] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: aren't you also a machinist? | [20:10] |
nubbins` | srsly, if you accept the buyout, ithey retroactively declare you were never a shareholder | [20:10] |
asciilifeform | or was that vulpes | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | "I hope you do not drive away your existing tech-saavy users, like those of us who signed up back in the fall of 2011, with a dumbed down, simplified and rigid user experience a la Facebook. | [20:11] |
mircea_popescu | There are those of use who find dumbed down, simplified and rigid interfaces extremely irritating and annoying and have zero use for Facebook." | [20:11] |
mircea_popescu | BUT USABILITY! | [20:11] |
nubbins` | or, well, that's what they say, at least. although if i call a steak a lobster... | [20:11] |
mircea_popescu | where is the meanie guy. | [20:11] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: aren't you also a machinist? << believe that was vulpes | [20:11] |
mircea_popescu | i thought vulpes was a blowupitem-ist | [20:11] |
mircea_popescu | "Should you exercise your right of rescission" | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | say wut ?! | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | wasn't this thing candian ? | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | rescission is, as far as memory serves, the result of a us law, and works out to the right for backsies on mortgages for 3 days after signing. | [20:13] |
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mircea_popescu | (it's featured prominently in glengarry glen ross of all places - that's why that entire scene with the mark trying to get his mortgage cleared and when the check was cashed etc) | [20:15] |
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thestringpuller | !last m s.mpoe | [20:18] |
assbot | Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00084012 BTC [+] | [20:18] |
thestringpuller | LOL | [20:18] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m s.mpoe | [20:18] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00068641 / 0.00072516 / 0.00084059 (554647 shares, 402.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065571 / 0.00084059 (4461623 shares, 2,925.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.00076053 / 0.00094217 (18270307 shares, 13,895.25 BTC) | [20:18] |
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mircea_popescu | o wait we're back ? | [20:18] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [20:18] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform what's your take on the guy's death btw ? | [20:20] |
asciilifeform | which guy ? | [20:20] |
mircea_popescu | vysotsky | [20:22] |
asciilifeform | ah | [20:22] |
* | asciilifeform more or less buys the traditional version | [20:22] |
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mircea_popescu | which one | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [20:23] |
asciilifeform | od | [20:23] |
TheNewDeal | eww | [20:23] |
asciilifeform | afaik he died of a typical od - took customary dose of opium after quitting for a spell | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | a. yeah. | [20:24] |
TheNewDeal | brother put cocoa in the coffee. is this a thing? | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | yes. among sluts. | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | ask him if he's turning twink nao. | [20:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26930 @ 0.00084455 = 22.7437 BTC [+] {2} | [20:26] |
TheNewDeal | ;;ud twink | [20:26] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink | An attractive, boyish-looking, young gay man. The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at ... | [20:26] |
TheNewDeal | tastes very bitter | [20:26] |
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TheNewDeal | and i normally enjoy bitter coffee | [20:27] |
thestringpuller | ;;calc 8500/25 | [20:28] |
gribble | 340 | [20:28] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: re: vysotsky << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35NOsBxTpDs >> about the fellow who did own appendix | [20:28] |
assbot | - YouTube | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | ;;seen RagnarDanneskjol | [20:30] |
gribble | RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 51 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: |
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TheNewDeal | question on bad or good bet - "All volatility bets resolve no" | [20:32] |
TheNewDeal | September, October, and 2014 | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | doubt it'll pass | [20:34] |
TheNewDeal | even with 0conf on yes? | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | well for one thing it's open ended. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | someone bets, makes a special volatility bet right after, wins. | [20:36] |
BingoBoingo | Maybe if you specify which volatility bets in advance | [20:36] |
TheNewDeal | that's what I was saying. September, October, 2014 | [20:37] |
mircea_popescu | which are those ? | [20:37] |
TheNewDeal | could even link to them | [20:37] |
TheNewDeal | http://bitbet.us/bet/986/bitcoin-volatility-2014-over-800/ | [20:38] |
assbot | BitBet - Bitcoin volatility 2014 over $800 :: 0.55 B (55%) on Yes, 0.45 B (45%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 58`103 (100`000 to 1) | [20:38] |
TheNewDeal | http://bitbet.us/bet/985/bitcoin-volatility-october-over-300/ | [20:38] |
assbot | BitBet - Bitcoin volatility October over $300 :: 0.15 B (46%) on Yes, 0.18 B (54%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 42`268 (100`000 to 1) | [20:38] |
TheNewDeal | http://bitbet.us/bet/984/bitcoin-volatility-september-over-250/ | [20:38] |
assbot | BitBet - Bitcoin volatility September over $250 :: 0.21 B (37%) on Yes, 0.36 B (63%) on No | closing in 1 week 2 days | weight: 14`417 (100`000 to 1) | [20:38] |
TheNewDeal | the only ones which exist right now, not considering the August | [20:38] |
mircea_popescu | aha. well... mebbe ? give it a shot see. | [20:39] |
BingoBoingo | http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140827065755 | [20:42] |
assbot | Heads Up: Nginx Removed From Base | [20:42] |
mircea_popescu | "On June 22, 1918, four people were arrested and over one hundred waiters taken into custody over the apparent widespread practice of poisoning by waiters in Chicago." | [20:43] |
mircea_popescu | dude... | [20:43] |
chetty | now they just shoot | [20:44] |
asciilifeform | i suppose not everyone could afford the 'chicago typewriter' | [20:45] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo odd. | [20:45] |
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BingoBoingo | Seems Heartbleed gave OpenBSD the full paranoia as well | [20:45] |
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TheNewDeal | !up shovel_boss | [20:51] |
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shovel_boss | hello mates | [20:52] |
shovel_boss | just want to say | [20:52] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person. << no, he has a point. a woman is ideal but fail that a dog works. | [20:52] |
shovel_boss | the system you have here | [20:52] |
shovel_boss | with the !up | [20:52] |
shovel_boss | is retarded | [20:52] |
shovel_boss | it should burn in hell | [20:52] |
shovel_boss | thanks | [20:52] |
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TheNewDeal | he has moved beyond ass & tities | [20:53] |
TheNewDeal | it's amazing | [20:53] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [20:53] |
ben_vulpes | ;;ticker | [20:53] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 513.06, Best ask: 514.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.94000, Last trade: 513.0, 24 hour volume: 7425.93327263, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 515.413574198 | [20:53] |
Apocalyptic | heh, from the guy who posts |
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assbot | /hashtag/Aerocoin?src=hash /search?q=%24AERO&src=ctag /hashtag/AERO?src=hash is starting to spike up again,holding ATLEAST 2000 /search?q=%24AEROS&src=ctag right now is a must.There will be an upcoming $15k invesment | [20:54] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [20:54] |
Apocalyptic | [20:54] | |
mircea_popescu | shovel_boss srsly, altcoin scams ? get a job eh. | [20:54] |
TheNewDeal | $15k investment. we'kk be rich | [20:54] |
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shovel_boss | mircea_popescu, i dont do scams | [20:55] |
shovel_boss | i dont buy the coins i do TA on | [20:55] |
shovel_boss | and its pretty obvious what i buy | [20:55] |
TheNewDeal | shovels... | [20:55] |
shovel_boss | i do TA for free and its mediocre | [20:56] |
shovel_boss | works +50% | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | "There will be an upcoming $15k invesment" | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | that's not "ta". | [20:56] |
shovel_boss | mircea_popescu, look at the volume | [20:56] |
shovel_boss | there WAS a 15k investment | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | this is besides the point. | [20:56] |
shovel_boss | i go insider info on that one | [20:56] |
mircea_popescu | so it's not that "you do ta". | [20:57] |
shovel_boss | yes i do | [20:57] |
shovel_boss | i rarely reject to do a TA | [20:57] |
shovel_boss | i do it for anyone and everyone | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | that's also besides the point. | [20:57] |
shovel_boss | im almost all the TA i do i mention what indicators i use | [20:57] |
Apocalyptic | mircea, you're speaking to a wall | [20:58] |
shovel_boss | esspecialy if someone asks me in the chatroom | [20:58] |
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shovel_boss | analytics is real, there are people actually getting paid to do this in the real world | [20:58] |
shovel_boss | analysis* | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | said the guy on trial for giving chloral to some dude that died "i just do astrograms. i do them for anything, including your dog if you want. i never refused anyone." | [20:58] |
shovel_boss | mircea_popescu, unlike that guy i do it for free | [20:59] |
shovel_boss | also you mentioned it was a vanity chan | [20:59] |
dignork | shovel_boss | i go insider info on that one <<< mental note to myself, do not share any info | [20:59] |
shovel_boss | i renamed it | [20:59] |
shovel_boss | i listen to the comunity | [20:59] |
assbot | usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5 | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | shovel_boss none of these are cogent points you know. | [20:59] |
TheNewDeal | !up usagi | [20:59] |
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shovel_boss | mircea_popescu, you do know i only post my TA there as a microvlog | [21:00] |
shovel_boss | to keep track of it | [21:00] |
usagi | lol | [21:00] |
mircea_popescu | !down TheNewDeal | [21:00] |
-assbot- | mircea_popescu, you can't do that to TheNewDeal. | [21:00] |
shovel_boss | i dont do it for pump and dump | [21:00] |
shovel_boss | how can i pump and dump 4 coins each day? | [21:00] |
shovel_boss | have you looked at the timeframe that that TA predicts? | [21:00] |
shovel_boss | some of them are weeks | [21:00] |
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mircea_popescu | shovel_boss so you do 4 a day for weeks each, this is no counter. | [21:00] |
shovel_boss | mircea_popescu, tell me why what i do is bad | [21:01] |
shovel_boss | i already stopped posting my ad here cause i know you will bash it | [21:01] |
shovel_boss | looks like youre jealous or something? | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | sigh. | [21:02] |
shovel_boss | i dont see how my chan is different than this | [21:02] |
mircea_popescu | !down shovel_boss | [21:02] |
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TheNewDeal | there will be no !bashing here | [21:02] |
ben_vulpes | [21:04] | |
mircea_popescu | "The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), as part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, supports and conducts biomedical and behavioral research on the causes, consequences, treatment, and prevention of alcoholism and alcohol-related problems. The NIAAA functions both as a funding agency that supports research by external research institutions and as a research institution itself, where alco | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | hol research is carried out in‐house. It funds approximately 90 percent of all such research in the United States and promotes reductions in the per capita consumption of alcohol. NIAAA also provides leadership in the national effort to reduce the severe and sometimes fatal consequences of these problems." | [21:04] |
mircea_popescu | this counts as science now. | [21:05] |
ben_vulpes | [21:05] | |
mircea_popescu | shit that's 90% produced by a govt agency with a clear agenda, is taken as "science". what the holy shit. | [21:05] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: i recently acquired a full set of jungle-grade machine tools, but am no more a machinist than were i to buy violin, would be violinist | [21:05] |
TheNewDeal | just watch a youtube and keep your clothing clear, there's not much to basic machining | [21:06] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: but i like to think that i could earn my bread shaving metal one day, if it comes to this | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform hey listen, most singers on mtv don't even own their equipment | [21:06] |
mircea_popescu | so i'd say by prevailing marketplace standards you ARE a violinist. | [21:07] |
asciilifeform | boeing pilots don't typically own the boeing | [21:07] |
asciilifeform | LOL | [21:07] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: how jungle? | [21:07] |
ben_vulpes | cnc? | [21:07] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: hand-cranked 'sherlines' | [21:07] |
ben_vulpes | nice. | [21:08] |
ben_vulpes | oh man | [21:08] |
asciilifeform | in terms of cnc, only a small 2d laser | [21:08] |
asciilifeform | (had it for a while) | [21:08] |
ben_vulpes | best part of building stuff with hand operated tooling is the hard requirement of simple geometric shapes and wide tolerances. | [21:08] |
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mircea_popescu | pankkake: Perhaps using a name that looks "real" would work << you can prolly legally change your name to say Pan K. Kake | [21:09] |
ben_vulpes | all the kids i did my m.e. studies with designed stuff with crazy tolerances and absurd geometries - "because the machine can do it" | [21:09] |
ben_vulpes | no consideration of programming costs or tooling complexities or anything. | [21:09] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: with simple tools, one can theoretically make everything (with possible exception of lead screws) for nicer set | [21:09] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: 'triangular drills will drill all his square holes!' | [21:09] |
mircea_popescu | this self-upgrading thing is fascinating eh asciilifeform ? | [21:10] |
ben_vulpes | zero radius corners | [21:10] |
ben_vulpes | mhm | [21:10] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: self-upgrading << the expensive tools - weren't dropped to earth by the gods | [21:11] |
ben_vulpes | some things are going to be hard no matter what | [21:11] |
ben_vulpes | the races, for example :D | [21:11] |
mircea_popescu | really makes the point that there's no "can't", just "won't". | [21:11] |
ben_vulpes | jokes aside, the ball bearings in the races are going to be tricky for jungle operators. | [21:11] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: i'm personally interested in (long term) genuinely weird things | [21:12] |
asciilifeform | like machines with no lead screws or rails in the ordinary sense | [21:12] |
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TheNewDeal | ballscrews can get nasty | [21:13] |
ben_vulpes | ballscrews are rad | [21:13] |
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asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506252 | [21:13] |
assbot | Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically. | [21:13] |
ben_vulpes | i do recall | [21:14] |
ben_vulpes | that is weird as fuck | [21:14] |
ben_vulpes | but expected | [21:14] |
asciilifeform | and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#801776 | [21:14] |
assbot | Logged on 20-08-2014 01:47:41; asciilifeform: i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers. | [21:14] |
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ben_vulpes | my only experience with that sort of stuff is echoes in wafer probe signal lines | [21:14] |
ben_vulpes | man | [21:15] |
ben_vulpes | that was a complex bit of hardware | [21:15] |
asciilifeform | no need for exotica. ever forget to plug in a 'scsi' terminator ? | [21:15] |
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ben_vulpes | lol have i ever touched a 'scsi' anything | [21:15] |
asciilifeform | echo on impedance mismatch - basic physic | [21:16] |
BingoBoingo | ben_vulpes: Aren't you a Mac person, what useful non-scsi thing plugs into a real Mac? | [21:16] |
ben_vulpes | BingoBoingo: i'm a nix hacker, i use a mac 'cause its chassis is aluminum | [21:17] |
ben_vulpes | SLANDER | [21:17] |
* | asciilifeform also owns a mac 'air' for this reason. haven't popped it in a while, even possible that it welded shut | [21:17] |
ben_vulpes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONz6S48QgEk#t=126 << found it | [21:18] |
assbot | How It's Made Ball Bearings - YouTube | [21:18] |
ben_vulpes | the jungle toolchain involves lots of cold forging too | [21:18] |
asciilifeform | more junkyard archaeology than forgin | [21:18] |
asciilifeform | g | [21:18] |
ben_vulpes | milling's necessary for the forging molds, but forging is inescapable | [21:19] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: pardon? | [21:19] |
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TheNewDeal | pops up in the video "bearings are like invisible heroes inside mechanical devices" | [21:19] |
ben_vulpes | dumb shit like that's why i mute fab videos | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | fucking usability freaks make evertyhing sound like it's addressed to 12 yos. | [21:20] |
mircea_popescu | obnoxious, maleducated 12 yos. | [21:20] |
BingoBoingo | Intiendo un poco | [21:20] |
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mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo that Deborah Hannay chgick is so totally going to understand what you meant with the kant example. | [21:22] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: what cannot be made (e.g. i've presently no forge) must be unearthed and reshaped. | [21:23] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Maybe the example is to impose the reality upon Hannay that not everyone is her equal, and to accomplish that as rapidly as possible? | [21:24] |
mircea_popescu | to quote pesto, "that ain;t gonna work" | [21:25] |
ben_vulpes | asciilifeform: principles are pretty simple. lotsa force, high rigidity. | [21:25] |
* | asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things. | [21:26] |
ben_vulpes | ibeams, hydraulics, maybe some guides... | [21:26] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15422 @ 0.00084108 = 12.9711 BTC [-] | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | * asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things. << me too. i ate them. | [21:26] |
asciilifeform | lol! | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | i also ate ~80% of the glass beads of a chinese chess set | [21:26] |
asciilifeform | cracked the shitter ? | [21:26] |
mircea_popescu | nope | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | as far as anyone knows i never shat out any of this. | [21:27] |
mircea_popescu | http://jocuridincopilarie.ro/imagini/jocuri-de-interior/jocuri-pe-tabla-de-joc/sah-chinezesc.jpg << the set in question | [21:28] |
ben_vulpes | hm, what's that magnet company the usg's trying to put out of business? | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | i suspect we'll all have some amazing mechanical surprises when self-appendectomy time | [21:28] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [21:28] |
mircea_popescu | tell me how could one not eat those ? | [21:28] |
asciilifeform | ben_vulpes: magnet company << 'bucky-balls' | [21:28] |
* | asciilifeform owns a pre-ban set | [21:28] |
ben_vulpes | don't let it staple your intestines together... | [21:29] |
mircea_popescu | yeah that shit's dangerous for little mps. | [21:29] |
asciilifeform | just don't eat 2+. | [21:29] |
asciilifeform | what do american children play with instead of bearing ball. and do i even want to know. | [21:30] |
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jurov | URGENT: Seeking child-size degaussing machine | [21:30] |
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asciilifeform | jurov: afaik you can only demagnetize NdFeB by heating to 'curie point' | [21:32] |
asciilifeform | ~300 C... | [21:32] |
mircea_popescu | lol jurov | [21:32] |
jurov | uh | [21:32] |
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chetty | [21:33] | |
asciilifeform | then again - magnet is small, and will probably reach a momentary 300 if you heat through meat with induction loop | [21:33] |
asciilifeform | what's worse for health - pinched gut, or small zap ? | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform cheaper to laparoscopy it away | [21:33] |
punkman | derp "usagi: Punkman, #bitcoin-assets is quickly becoming irelevant. The slice is almost too small now. Kind of sad, but I could have told you this would happen." | [21:33] |
mircea_popescu | chetty on that subject, socrates is silent. | [21:33] |
asciilifeform | 'where there is no laparoscope' | [21:33] |
asciilifeform | (apologies to 'paladin press''s 'where there is no doctor') | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | where there is no laparoscope there'd better not be feromagnets. | [21:34] |
jurov | there's self-appendectomy | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | punkman if the guy has the sense to not publish his own derpage, why would you, you know ? | [21:34] |
punkman | o it was in -otc | [21:35] |
asciilifeform | i never ate the bearing balls. but these were big. (tank bearings?) | [21:35] |
punkman | but yes point taken | [21:35] |
asciilifeform | ~1cm | [21:36] |
asciilifeform | 2 | [21:36] |
TheNewDeal | !s usagi bird | [21:36] |
assbot | 7 results for 'usagi bird' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=usagi+bird | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2005, according to Peter Kraska, a criminologist at Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond. | [21:36] |
TheNewDeal | obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beA99BVTFJ0 | [21:36] |
assbot | The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | no data for 2005-2014. what would it be, 750k ? | [21:36] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: 'no-knock' originated with 'but they'll flush the dope' | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [21:36] |
asciilifeform | now it's more or less SOP | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | meanwhile, it's killed more innocent bystanders than the wars in iraq. | [21:37] |
asciilifeform | ;;google solzhenitsyn axe | [21:37] |
gribble | Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned in the ...: |
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assbot | usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5 | [21:37] |
BingoBoingo | !up usagi | [21:38] |
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mircea_popescu | Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street. This tactic led Radley Balko, editor of Reason Magazine, to complain "So not only can you not be sure the people banging down your door at night are the police, not | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | only can you not be sure they’re the police even if they say they’re the police, you can’t even be sure it’s safe to let them in even if they are the police." | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo you know, people who live in decent places tend to assume the us is similarly a decent place, and readily forget the sort of rogue shithole it actually is. | [21:40] |
mircea_popescu | Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police pulled him out of intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested | [21:40] |
mircea_popescu | him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him. | [21:40] |
BingoBoingo | Indeed | [21:41] |
asciilifeform | most people in usa will read this and ask 'but was he an untermensch ?' and go back to sleep | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | well, in what sense ? | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | yes, he wasn't a police officer. | [21:42] |
asciilifeform | in the sense that wasn't 'office plankton' | [21:42] |
chetty | [21:42] | |
asciilifeform | (preferably white, but optional) | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever. << i've said it. | [21:43] |
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mircea_popescu | outside of "whom you know", "what you know" simply reduces to "what you think you know" and nobody got time for that. | [21:43] |
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asciilifeform | generally, plankton response is 'this fellow couldn't have been a good upstanding plankton' | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | as far as the police state is concerned, nobody else is good anything. just listen to one of the fuckwits go. | [21:45] |
asciilifeform | police state is never wholly the polizei themselves, but also all such that 'it would never do, polite society!' for them to drag out in the night | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | take sunil dutta, the convicted felon who still has a death warrant outstanding on his head. | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | "You don’t know what is in my mind when I stop you" | [21:46] |
mircea_popescu | as if anyone gives a flying fuck what's on "his mind". what's he supposed to be, the hive overlord or some shit ? | [21:46] |
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xmj | mircea_popescu: it's binary | [21:47] |
asciilifeform | sunil << i suppose not every kid from bombay makes his way to solicitor general of new york | [21:47] |
xmj | in that context | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform im sure they don't. | [21:47] |
xmj | so, if you don't know no one OR don't know nothing, either won't help you | [21:47] |
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mircea_popescu | xmj i jus' quoted what you said. | [21:48] |
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mircea_popescu | not that im proposing ted rubin knows anyone, or is relevant to anything. | [21:49] |
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mircea_popescu | eightyeight how did you get that gif drawn ? | [21:52] |
xmj | then you're missing the context we discussed earlier | [21:52] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust eightyeight | [21:53] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask eightyeight!~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user eightyeight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=eightyeight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eightyeight | Rated since: Wed Aug 27 11:48:10 2014 | [21:53] |
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eightyeight | mircea_popescu: i have a shell script. i can get it for you. one sec | [21:54] |
eightyeight | i think there is actually a bug with it. i just haven't had the chance to look at it actually | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | also i dunno if you know http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=8086060F&TO=2FB7B452&PATHS=Find+Trust+Paths+To+Me | [21:55] |
assbot | PGP trust paths : Aaron Toponce -> Mircea Popescu | [21:55] |
mircea_popescu | penning's stuff | [21:55] |
eightyeight | mircea_popescu: http://ae7.st/p/6n2 | [21:56] |
assbot | Pastebin. » 6n2 | [21:56] |
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eightyeight | you need gnupg, imagemagick, and graphviz installed | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | got this running on a server anywhere ? | [21:58] |
eightyeight | mircea_popescu: i saw your comment on my blog re: my retort to dr. green on his assesment about pgp | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | o that's right, that was your blog | [21:58] |
eightyeight | got what running on a server? | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | that fucktard greene ffs. | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | the script in question. | [21:58] |
eightyeight | i just run it locally when i get new signatures or when i sign new keys | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes hey, how about offering teh interested people a nice drawing of their gpg wot ? they gotta put the address in anyway, you got the dependencies anyway... | [21:59] |
eightyeight | depending on the size of your web of trust, it could take a few minutes | [21:59] |
eightyeight | and, like i said, it has a bug that was brought to my attention. i just haven't addressed it. maybe i can get to that tonight | [21:59] |
mircea_popescu | ;;gettrust assbot eightyeight | [21:59] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask eightyeight!~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight. Trust relationship from user assbot to user eightyeight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=eightyeight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eightyeight | Rated since: Wed Aug 27 11:48:10 2014 | [21:59] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;rate eightyeight 1 linux gnu guy.. | [22:00] |
gribble | Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded. | [22:00] |
eightyeight | sweet. thx. :) | [22:01] |
eightyeight | danielpbarron: thx also. :) | [22:01] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-764312 | [22:01] |
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assbot | Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant | The Smoking Gun | [22:01] |
mircea_popescu | ahahahha al sharpton ?! | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | chetty check that shit out. | [22:02] |
BingoBoingo | Yup, Sharpton's a stoolie | [22:04] |
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eightyeight | mircea_popescu: oh, you also need 'signing-party' installedfor sig2dot(1) | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | [22:13] | |
mircea_popescu | "As Sarkeesian points out, you may get a mission to hunt down a brutal pimp, but you'll never get a mission to get the hooker he's just beaten to a pulp to the hospital, nor do you unlock achievements by visiting her at a shelter or helping her get re-established elsewhere. These women exist solely to be victimized, so that you can murder the bad guys without any scruple." | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | holy shit what sort of bullshit is this. who wants a MISSION to take battered sluts to the er. | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | i'd rather do my own laundry. | [22:15] |
chetty | [22:16] | |
mircea_popescu | well he denied it all these years. | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | "Over the years I have told a number of friends that, if I had had access to a nuclear device when I was in seventh grade, there would be a huge crater in upstate New York centered on what used to be West Seneca Junior High School. | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | Had Orson Scott Card’s novel Ender’s Game existed then, I might have been one of its biggest fans. I would have been enraptured by the story of the innocent who is persecuted despite his innocence, perhaps even because of it. The superior child whose virtues are not recognized. The adults who fail to protect. The vicious bullies who get away with their bullying. That was the world as I saw it in seventh grade. " | [22:17] |
chetty | jajajajaja | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | bah these kids aren't beaten enough. | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | everrrry worthless pencilneck 7yo is "superior" in his own fucktarded brain. | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | notwithstanding he sucks at anything and everything. "he's too good for this world" | [22:18] |
asciilifeform | where this was dug out ? | [22:18] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform some fucktarded "commentary" on some pulp sf thing. http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm | [22:19] |
assbot | Creating the Innocent Killer | [22:19] |
asciilifeform | 'if I had had access to a nuclear device when I was in seventh grade' << obligatory >> http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0232.txt | [22:19] |
mircea_popescu | "if i wasn't a snot-nosed worthjless sack of shit back when i was a snot-nosed worthless sack of shit" | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | herpy-derp. | [22:20] |
kakobrekla | mircea_popescu: CUT! | [22:20] |
mircea_popescu | "When passing the ball, you throw gently, so as the other person can | [22:22] |
mircea_popescu | catch it. On the other hand, when passing to Fred, you try to break his nose!" | [22:22] |
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BingoBoingo | That's ok, because Fred's parents were cockolds and his bull was the NBA star. Fred insists on this treatment to prepare him for handling harried sloppy passes in games that mattter. | [22:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00084456 = 14.3575 BTC [+] | [22:35] |
thestringpuller | ;;ud pastie white girl | [22:40] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pasties | pasty. A person with white skin. Not just white, like paper. But whiter! VERY WHITE ... Girl: OMG WHAT IS THAT GLOWING IN THE HALLWAY??? Girl 2: Thats ... | [22:40] |
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BingoBoingo | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/27/1921249/dot-proposes-mandating-vehicle-to-vehicle-communications | [22:55] |
assbot | DoT Proposes Mandating Vehicle-To-Vehicle Communications - Slashdot | [22:55] |
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ben_vulpes | [23:02] | |
ben_vulpes | but yeah not a bad thing | [23:02] |
kakobrekla | srecno | [23:02] |
kakobrekla | ctrl -z | [23:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00084456 = 20.6917 BTC [+] {2} | [23:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52188 @ 0.0008429 = 43.9893 BTC [-] {2} | [23:04] |
asciilifeform | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/18/2338243/news-aggregator-fark-adds-misogyny-ban << linked from above | [23:04] |
assbot | News Aggregator Fark Adds Misogyny Ban - Slashdot | [23:04] |
asciilifeform | and, better yet, http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/22/1441200/33-months-in-prison-for-recording-a-movie-in-a-theater | [23:04] |
assbot | 33 Months In Prison For Recording a Movie In a Theater - Slashdot | [23:05] |
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Apocalyptic | BingoBoingo, and to anyone interested, a 30day high, low, volume and vwap is available at https://www.x-bt.com/api/atcbtc/get_ticker_ext | [23:17] |
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BingoBoingo | Cool, thanks Apocalyptic | [23:21] |
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