Forum logs for 27 Aug 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BlueMeanie4	a future is similar, but it delivers the actual asset and the price is paid down in full	[00:52]
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BlueMeanie4	so an option is the ABILITY not the OBLIGATION to buy	[00:52]
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BlueMeanie4	a FUTURE is pre-paying for an asset	[00:52]
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mircea_popescu	o hai.	[00:52]
BlueMeanie4	so i would do a small BTC future just for kicks	[00:53]
xmj	BlueMeanie4: which is what I understood danielpbarron meant.	[00:54]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: There once was a she named Priscilla << but it'	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	s not a woman. it's a chinchilla	[00:54]
BlueMeanie4	'buy BTC at a preset price in the future' is an option	[00:54]
xmj	nop	[00:54]
xmj	it doesn't specify that you have the right not to buy said amount of BTC.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	antonosika aite, let's see here.	[00:55]
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BlueMeanie4	you should try to conform to common terminology- makes it easier for people to get invovled	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 well it doesn't help that he doesn;'t really know the common terminology.	[00:59]
BlueMeanie4	a good book. http://www.amazon.com/International-Financial-Markets-J-Orlin-Grabbe/dp/0444015981	[01:00]
assbot	The International Financial Markets: 9780444015983: Economics Books @ Amazon.com	[01:00]
BlueMeanie4	the author is right up your guys alley	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	what alley is that ?	[01:00]
BlueMeanie4	the one in the backside of the NYSE where hookers hang out?	[01:01]
BlueMeanie4	have you ever read J. Orlin Grabbe?	[01:01]
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BlueMeanie4	Options and Futures are pretty simple	[01:04]
BlueMeanie4	not hard to learn, but the complex structured instruments are not that easy to figure out	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	antonosika here you go : http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A	[01:06]
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mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 yes, actually.	[01:06]
BlueMeanie4	he's pretty intense	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	he was with the laissez faire troop neh ?	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	died in cr ?	[01:08]
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mircea_popescu	!up BlueMeanie4	[01:09]
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mircea_popescu	listen, you got to get in the wot if you keep coming by.	[01:09]
BlueMeanie4	im in the wot	[01:09]
BlueMeanie4	just did it	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	;;ident BlueMeanie4	[01:10]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 Marx sez : never trust a capitalist.	[01:10]
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antonosika	mircea_popescu: Thanks for writing the contract, my take is that you see no way of making it possible for me to avoid waiting till september 2015 for the eth and avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade?	[01:10]
BlueMeanie4	thanks to Daniel btw	[01:10]
BlueMeanie4	so who adjudicates the contracts?	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	antonosika "avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade" << what;s this mean ?	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 you ever read up on the fabulous adventure of teh rota ?	[01:11]
BlueMeanie4	dont believe i have	[01:11]
BlueMeanie4	but did read a bit on JOGs death in CR	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	it's lulzy. http://trilema.com/category/rota/ << read those, ask me again.	[01:11]
assbot	Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	<<< lived in cr until 2007ish	[01:11]
antonosika	mircea_popescu: I deem that ethereum will trade in 100 btc in one year, but in the chance that it does not I have an infinite loss of capital (which is a lot since I dont have much).	[01:12]
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mircea_popescu	antonosika kinda the purpose of these contracts.	[01:12]
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antonosika	well purpose is that you buy eth cheaply in one year though...	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	the purpose is to gain exposure to eth. you can't have the exposure without the exposure.	[01:13]
antonosika	how about you donate the 3 btc to something nice if contract fails ?	[01:13]
antonosika	Both of us win...	[01:13]
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mircea_popescu	i donate to whatever the hell i feel like with or without that contract lol	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	recall, im the openbsd guy.	[01:13]
rybro	tell me eth is ethanol and not ethereum	[01:14]
TomServo	!b 7	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	no, it's ethereum	[01:15]
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rybro	yeah i knew it :P	[01:16]
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antonosika	Ehum I want to make deals with nice people.	[01:17]
rybro	seems like they do cool stuff by why so shady	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	because they only claim to do cool stuff. anyone can claim to do cool stuff.	[01:17]
antonosika	I deposit 3 btc to you. Isn't it fair that we decide something nice that happens with it if there is a large delay of ETH currency?	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	antonosika that approach to business will ensure you'll squander whatever little capital you have.	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	best idea is to work with smart people.	[01:17]
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mircea_popescu	"nice" people are rarely worth the price of a decent burial, clothes included, and i very much doubt they ever should be.	[01:18]
antonosika	Smart people have good values, so If you have a good suggestion of what to donate my btc to I would regard you as smarter	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	o you would, would you.	[01:19]
antonosika	I'm really interested, what is your philosophy on life?	[01:20]
BlueMeanie4	Mircea, totally agree	[01:21]
rybro	total logical fallacy man, unless you define what 'good' people are for all parties involved there are definitely going to be differences in opinion on what a 'good' person is and what a good action is on their part	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/fb3v4nFL << kakobrekla i see yours and i raise you wtf is this shit.	[01:21]
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rybro	everyone is too brainwashed to have principles anyway	[01:21]
BlueMeanie4	well as we say in NY	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	rybro he's talking nice not good.	[01:21]
BlueMeanie4	PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	antonosika my philosophy in life is that all ills arise from people like you having any money and any voice, basically.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.	[01:22]
rybro	wouldn't nice be just as subjective as good ?	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	rybro nah, it's worse.	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	good is a matter of reason at least to some degree. nice is pure sensata crapolade.	[01:23]
BlueMeanie4	what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.< we also have another phrase , getting 'Gypped'	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	a point established by considering that one has to reason to discover the good, whereas one just "feels" the nice. which approach is exactly why nice rather than good, why all that intellectual effort	[01:24]
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rybro	lol	[01:24]
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rybro	all i can think of is susan korman and that pink ribbon breast cancer thing	[01:24]
antonosika	mircea_popescu: My approach is definitely not "feels good" nice	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	antonosika well then you get a free pass.	[01:24]
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antonosika	mircea_popescu: But, do you have a definition of deeds that are the opposite of ill?	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 well it's not necessarily defined, but to me gypped is the inverse process : when some lout appropriates capital he shouldn't have.	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	antonosika lessee, maybe this is relevant to your interests http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-charity/	[01:25]
assbot	Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[01:25]
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BlueMeanie4	'shouldnt have' according to whom?	[01:26]
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BlueMeanie4	my guess is the one who lost the capital	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	well that's where it gets iffy.	[01:26]
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BlueMeanie4	thats where it gets gyppy :)	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:27]
antonosika	I would not donate to charity. But anyhow, if you deem some things as ill (such as charity) some people do things that are not ill (like you for example?) what would such deeds be?	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	"Media coverage of new technologies is always governed by an inexorable cycle: First comes the hyping, then comes the trashing. Of late, the Net has so accelerated this cycle that the trashing kicks in well before the hype has stopped — sometimes creating a conflict of views that looks suspiciously like genuine debate."	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	http://www.salon.com/1997/03/06/straight_59/ << dude check out salon in 1997, back before it was hiring college dropouts for a hamburger.	[01:28]
assbot	Let's Get This Straight: March 1997 archives - Salon.com	[01:28]
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mircea_popescu	antonosika you generally can't expect a summary of such things be presented to you on demand. there's about 2 years worth of logs here and >5 of trilema articles, you'll have to go through all that to find your own answer.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	As companies like Pointcast, Marimba’s Castanet, Backweb, Intermind and others flock to seize “push” market-share, they have been feted by the business press, welcomed by media companies who hope “push” will help them make money, even lauded by Wired magazine as “the radical future of media beyond the Web.” <<< all winners :D	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	In August 1998, PointCast found such a partner. In order to compete with @Home, a consortium of telephone companies and Microsoft put together a project designed to promote use of DSL in preference to cable modems. <<< has there EVER been a technology battle where ms fell on the right side ?	[01:32]
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antonosika	Well you said that it would be better if I had no money or voice since I will never do anything good. It feels like that gives a rather strict definition of good.	[01:33]
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antonosika	If I read logs or articles I don't know what things have any "value" and what are just writings.	[01:34]
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mircea_popescu	well this problem is chiefly reflective of you not having done a lot of it yet.	[01:34]
antonosika	At least your philosphy doesnt sound like nihilism	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	you can't start by doing good. you start by doing work, a lot of it, then you see.	[01:34]
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antonosika	Ehum, any guidelines?	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[01:35]
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antonosika	Ok...	[01:35]
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antonosika	;;gettrust mircea_popescu	[01:36]
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mircea_popescu	http://supremelaw.org/sls/email/box081/msg08181.htm	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know, a complete collection of grabbe would probably be useful at this point. he doesn't seem to have any web exposure.	[01:36]
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mircea_popescu	you still got those usenet archives ?	[01:36]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/11/maily-serenablair-31808/images/full/12.jpg	[01:40]
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antonosika	mircea_popescu: Anyways, one thought on doing more good is to make it easier for those naive souls (as myself) who want to understand to learn.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	!up BitMarmot	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up rdekley	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	BitMarmot are you really a marmot ?	[01:45]
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antonosika	But at least I can do business with you.	[01:45]
fluffypony	<- really a pony	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	antonosika nothing easy's worth doing.	[01:45]
BitMarmot	Ask danielpbarron	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony that we know :D	[01:45]
antonosika	How do I sign the contract?	[01:45]
BitMarmot	I am also a USG_Press_Machine from time to time	[01:45]
fluffypony	antonosika: just send me your private key	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	antonosika you don't have to sign it, if you pay it stands.	[01:45]
fluffypony	and I'll sort it out	[01:45]
thestringpuller	;;gettrust BitMarmot	[01:45]
BitMarmot	Will do it this weekend	[01:46]
BitMarmot	Just swinging by to say hello	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot usg press machine was a better nick. this bitblabla stuff is a cancer.	[01:46]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[01:46]
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thestringpuller	why is gribble being dumb	[01:46]
fluffypony	.nick BitPony ?	[01:46]
BitMarmot	agreed, but I figured the marmot peg was the best way to illustrate the sheer stupidity of what was going on with BTSX	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller it's not being dumb, it's being absent	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	btsx ?	[01:47]
BitMarmot	Of everything I've written I figured MP probably approved of my most recent work the most	[01:47]
BitMarmot	BitShares X	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	o that. heh.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot link ?	[01:47]
BitMarmot	two ticks	[01:47]
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BitMarmot	http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/17/dont-walk-away-run/	[01:47]
antonosika	mircea_popescu: Is there a way for me to show that I paid?	[01:47]
assbot	BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run \| Preston Byrne	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	"wait a tick, wait a tick... i will not ruin this sketch for a pound"	[01:47]
BitMarmot	http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/08/24/what-goes-up/	[01:48]
assbot	BitSharesX: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence \| Preston Byrne	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	antonosika well if a payment as specified makes it to the address specified before time specified, you have.	[01:48]
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mircea_popescu	BitMarmot myeah. the many advantages for the general public of the sec demuring instead of taking its fucking place in the world.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	a well.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	but yes, i will definitely push for prosecution of the current set of sec comissioners for having failed to take the hand i extended to them last year.	[01:51]
BitMarmot	I mean, I don't exactly look forward to the day seeing as I'm meant to be hanged	[01:52]
BitMarmot	But apparently I am not beyond saving	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	what's so bad about hanging ?	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	you at least get to come.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	yet another way nature disadvantages women.	[01:52]
BitMarmot	ben_vulpes:danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	!up BlueMeanie4	[01:52]
-assbot-	You voiced BlueMeanie4 for 30 minutes.	[01:52]
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antonosika	;;ident mircea_popescu	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4	[01:53]
BlueMeanie4	I think the SEC is aware of what Vitalik and Bitshares are doing, but theyre biding their time	[01:53]
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gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BlueMeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BlueMeanie4 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BlueMeanie4 \| Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 if you id with gribble and pm assbot !up you can just up yourself.	[01:53]
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BlueMeanie4	wow this system is confusing as hell	[01:54]
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BlueMeanie4	its pretty clear that Ethereum and Bitshares were fundraisers	[01:54]
BlueMeanie4	and i really appreciate your points in that article BitMarmot	[01:54]
BitMarmot	Thanks BlueMeanie4 - I do this for a living so looked at BitShares for 20 minutes and was like, "does not compute"	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	it's a fucking outrage is what it is. basically vitalik saw the neobee fuckwit buy a ferrari or whatever it was, went out of his mind and well... "if x can steal why shouldn't i"	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	which is what's wrong with "biding their time" idiocies.	[01:55]
BlueMeanie4	I just know the people involved and I didnt even bother running the numbers, I already know the answer	[01:55]
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BitMarmot	Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often	[01:55]
antonosika	why doesn't mircea_popescu get identified by ;;ident ?	[01:56]
antonosika	;;ident antonosika	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	antonosika gribble blinked. a sec	[01:56]
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antonosika	;;ident nanotubes	[01:56]
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gribble	Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.	[01:56]
BlueMeanie4	BitMarmot- those guys are notorious for faking things like sales numbers and web stats	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	;;ident	[01:56]
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antonosika	mircea_popescu: will you confirm that the contract holds when you get the payment?	[01:57]
antonosika	;;ident	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[01:57]
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antonosika	How is that done?	[01:57]
BlueMeanie4	BitMarmot- I tweeted you :)	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	how is what done	[01:57]
antonosika	Public confirmation of that a contract holds	[01:57]
BitMarmot	BlueMeanie4 thanks! I saw.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	x.x	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	how would you like it to be done ?	[01:57]
antonosika	you sign a message with your gpg?	[01:58]
BlueMeanie4	I even recall the early bitshares stuff on btt, it was pure idiocy	[01:58]
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mircea_popescu	i already did dood. in between that pastebin and a blockchain read you have incontrovertible proof.	[01:58]
BlueMeanie4	although I cant confirm that the current concept bears any resemblance to those early ideas	[01:58]
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antonosika	Why cant u just argue that that is another transaction?	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	because that's what the contract says.	[01:59]
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BingoBoingo	BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea	[01:59]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-08-2014#809835	[02:00]
assbot	Logged on 26-08-2014 10:50:07; mircea_popescu: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla.	[02:00]
BitMarmot	I actually really like marmots	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	could it be chinchillas instead ?	[02:00]
BlueMeanie4	we have something like a marmot in the rocky mountains. its similar to a mountain-hamster	[02:01]
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BitMarmot	A friend of mine tells me the tale of a marmot called Grey Beard	[02:01]
BitMarmot	who lived in the rockies	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot "I don’t like or approve of token pre-sales and I never will." << whatr's this mean ?	[02:02]
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BitMarmot	He would cast a curse on any campers at the camp who harassed local wildlife	[02:02]
BitMarmot	Mircea_Popescu exactly what it says	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	also get out of this habit of using the same title on different dates for different articles. it's breadspread insanity.	[02:02]
BitMarmot	I'll join WoT this weekend	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot it doesn't say so much cause "token pre-sales" isn't reallyt a term of art.	[02:02]
BlueMeanie4	that sounds like the scene from Monty Python holy Grail	[02:02]
BitMarmot	Satoshi didn't need a presale	[02:03]
BitMarmot	all this stuff is iterative	[02:03]
BlueMeanie4	BitMarmot- allocate at least an hour to get through the WOT process	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	you mean recursive ?	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	as in, soon they'll do presales for the presale ?	[02:03]
BitMarmot	nope, iterative	[02:03]
BitMarmot	i.e. it's not really an improvement	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	im not even sure what it's supposed to be.	[02:03]
BitMarmot	If someone came up with a chain which was awesome	[02:03]
antonosika	What does it mean that assignments are integral?	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	i mean other than tardstalk finance.	[02:03]
BitMarmot	they wouldn't need to presell because they'd make their money mining the crap out of it	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	antonosika that you can't give sue 1.5 btc and mary 1.5 btc of your load. gotta pick a girl blow the whole load on her.	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot you mean like atc ?	[02:04]
BitMarmot	fact is, most alt chains aren't that big a deal/that different from BTC to merit existence	[02:04]
BitMarmot	ATC?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	%p	[02:04]
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atcbot	[PityThePool Hashrate]: 1636.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	^	[02:04]
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mircea_popescu	therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin.	[02:04]
BitMarmot	Good work ThickAsThieves.	[02:05]
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mircea_popescu	ok, "I look at BitSharesX and I see a group of talented" << what do you mean by talented then.	[02:05]
BitMarmot	Larimer's a smart kid	[02:05]
BitMarmot	on the programmer side	[02:05]
BlueMeanie4	i beg to differe	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	and i'd know this how ?	[02:06]
BlueMeanie4	i was reading larimers babbling on btt - his ideas are idiotic	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 well he did say codewise.	[02:06]
antonosika	mircea_popescu: thanks for making it so clear.	[02:06]
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assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	gotta cut amateurs slack re finance, somehow everyone got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin.	[02:06]
BitMarmot	Let me put it this way - I wanted to play the ball rather than the programmer	[02:06]
BlueMeanie4	he wanted to peg the value of assets to some 'market value' - it was utter nonsense	[02:06]
antonosika	Same paste	[02:06]
antonosika	just needed to paste it	[02:07]
BlueMeanie4	got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin. < a lot of that goes on for sure	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	but generally, you can distinguish they don't know wtf they're talking about on terminology, and just discard that and see if they're basically honest or not. at least it's my approach.	[02:07]
BlueMeanie4	BitMarmot- of course he doesnt want to program it- i makes ZERO sense!	[02:07]
BlueMeanie4	that was basically my thought when I bothered to read his nonsense writings	[02:08]
BitMarmot	I just don't like going after people personally - I'd rather discuss the issues	[02:08]
BlueMeanie4	'if this guy is going to code this then great for him'	[02:08]
BlueMeanie4	of course he defers that small job to someone else	[02:08]
BitMarmot	Even if the writings are nonsense, go after the writings, not the person who wrote them	[02:08]
BlueMeanie4	he's exactly like Chris Odom	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot that's fine, but you know if you call someone something, whether it's "talented" or "whore" or anything, i may well ask you well, how did you find this and how could i verify for myself.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	only natural.	[02:08]
BitMarmot	mircea_popescu all of god's creatures are special	[02:09]
BitMarmot	unique snowflakes	[02:09]
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mircea_popescu	oh get out. unless they taste like vanilla they go right into the stu.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, they go into the cake.	[02:09]
BitMarmot	hahahahahaahahahaha	[02:09]
BitMarmot	I thought you might like that.	[02:09]
BlueMeanie4	to a degree- if someone is repeatedly trying to draw attention to themselves by whoring around every buzzword and they do it repeatedly then pull a PRESALE- thats when you start questioning someone's motives	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKY5zHILK00 << this could be the "talented bitcoiner" theme song.	[02:10]
assbot	Animaniacs - The Monkey Song - YouTube	[02:10]
BitMarmot	I go on what I can prove. If I can't prove it, I figure no harm in being polite	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot if politeness has degraded to the point you gotta call someone talented just to remain polite i dun want any part of it.	[02:10]
BlueMeanie4	yes but eventually the emporer wears no clothe	[02:11]
antonosika	Im about to agree to a contract that stands if I deposit 3 btc to mircea_popescu (with the blockchain as security). Can someone tell me that this is a smart procedure?	[02:11]
BlueMeanie4	Mircea- BINGO	[02:11]
antonosika	the btc could come from someone else depositing at the same time.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot but anyway, nm that part.	[02:11]
BitMarmot	mircea_popescu differences in approach, as you know we have. nm indeed	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	antonosika it'd still credit you. so they'd be suckers for doing it, but their problem.	[02:11]
BlueMeanie4	eventually people value candor above all else	[02:12]
BlueMeanie4	who has time to waste on this shit?	[02:12]
BlueMeanie4	let alone money	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 not all people, no. if people valued candor there'd be a blowout sale on penis aids.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	there's lines of work where honesty is the worst policy.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	just... finance ain't one of them.	[02:12]
antonosika	But this isn't specified in the contract. Only "the long holder shall deposit"	[02:13]
BlueMeanie4	ya shrewdness goes a long way	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	antonosika you gotta understand how the legal mind works. you have a beneficial presumption therein embedded.	[02:13]
BitMarmot	BlueMeanie4 I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on character, but go ruthless on the facts	[02:13]
BitMarmot	mircea_popescu exactly	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot what are you trying to do anyway.	[02:14]
BitMarmot	brb. Just having fun, I enjoy writing.	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	works.	[02:14]
BlueMeanie4	ya I really appreciated that article, but when you watch someone pull this sort of stuff time and time again- it's hard not to get personal	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 tell mpoe-pr that :D	[02:14]
BlueMeanie4	who?	[02:14]
antonosika	mircea_popescu: can someone else vouch for this ?	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 aww.	[02:14]
antonosika	legal is not my language	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	well for a coupla years there was this hot chick on the forum beating the shit out of the innumerable, meanwhile forgotten scammers.	[02:15]
BlueMeanie4	see	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	they all got pissy because "onoes, whai so personal"	[02:15]
BlueMeanie4	the thing i always look for- they always have an alternative career	[02:15]
antonosika	ill deposit if you reformulate the contract	[02:15]
BlueMeanie4	theyre a 'musician' or a 'pick up artist' or 'author' or some crap	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	just one of the many ways mpex wrote teh history of bitcoin that nobody knows about because well... history is hard work.	[02:15]
BlueMeanie4	or theyre entirely anonymous	[02:16]
BlueMeanie4	usually a combination of the two	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	well most "musicians" are anonymous.	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	that's funny, i remember the days "anonymous" used to be an insult.	[02:16]
BlueMeanie4	do you know how many of these 'celebrated' bitcoin experts have some lame background like this?	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	yes. i keep files.	[02:17]
BlueMeanie4	this doesnt appear to bother the 18 year olds who just bought 2 grand worth of magic beans	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	;;google story pointless witless	[02:18]
gribble	The story of Pointless and Witless pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Smash reviews The Hobbit: Desolation of Smaug (very minor spoilers ...: ; BIPS, Payment Service Provider (PSP) for Merchants - (1 more message)	[02:18]
BlueMeanie4	cant view it	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	what changed in the past year ? nothing!	[02:18]
antonosika	mircea_popescu: starting a contract by only seeing a random transaction in the blockchain is dodgy as hell	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	according to whom ?!	[02:19]
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antonosika	The formulation of the contract	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	and it's not random, it's specified.	[02:20]
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antonosika	random as in not specified where it is from	[02:20]
antonosika	the amount is specified	[02:20]
antonosika	and "the Long Party"	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	yes. this is how bitcoin works.	[02:20]
antonosika	easy to argue that it is not from the long party	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	yes, but also toothless. doesn't matter where it's from.	[02:21]
antonosika	So why not just write " 3.00001 BTC shall be deposited no later than August 31st to ..."	[02:21]
antonosika	That's specified	[02:21]
antonosika	"Long Party" is not	[02:22]
antonosika	provable	[02:22]
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BlueMeanie4	thats what i was saying- who adjudicates?	[02:23]
antonosika	Change it.	[02:23]
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BingoBoingo	Long Party: YOu are perfectly free to save your own copy of MP's signed contract and sign it your self.	[02:23]
antonosika	BingoBoingo: the problem is that it is possible to argue that the deposit was not from the long party	[02:24]
BitMarmot	back	[02:24]
BitMarmot	you all survive without me?	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 well that's why i gave you that rota reference. nobody o.O after the attempt at a public court thing failed miserably.	[02:24]
antonosika	BingoBoingo: who would be correct in such an argument?	[02:24]
BingoBoingo	antonosika: Well if it came from another party that would mean someone else just subsidized the Long Party's purchase	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	BitMarmot here's the problem. your effort at being polite has resulted in 2+6k words, in which the idiot in question is arguing he's right.	[02:25]
antonosika	Thanks bingo, i just wanted this legal language verified by someone else to seem less dogy	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	you may love to write, but no one loves to read.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	so what's the gain here ?	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	antonosika it's not dodgy, it's just how i write.	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	i went to the hemingway school of law.	[02:26]
BitMarmot	None immediately. It's a long game	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	heh. "your penis is too long to fit any woman, so how do you propose to reproduce ?" "not immediately, waiting for it to grow more."	[02:27]
BitMarmot	Something like that	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	(im not saying working is bad, it's not. the reason it's good however is that it allows such problems to be discussed)	[02:28]
BingoBoingo	BitMarmot: Any thoughts on http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/	[02:28]
assbot	A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared \| Bingo Blog	[02:28]
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mircea_popescu	fuck.	[02:28]
antonosika	last thing, will you check the blockchain and confirm in this chat that you saw the 3.0001 BTC ?	[02:28]
BitMarmot	Judging from the hits though my point got across without hitting the man	[02:28]
mircea_popescu	i didn't even pick the right phrase. should have used rickles' "he's making a loss on every sale but hopes to make it up on volume"	[02:29]
BitMarmot	so ultimately you get done what needs to get done without alienating anyone	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	a well, esprit d'escalier.	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	antonosika okay.	[02:29]
BitMarmot	Be of no doubt, I am overawed by your approach to polemic. But I suspect I probably wouldn't get away with it	[02:29]
BitMarmot	plus not my style	[02:30]
BitMarmot	takes all kinds	[02:30]
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mircea_popescu	what, decentralized polemics ?	[02:30]
BitMarmot	No, just not giving a damn what other people think	[02:30]
antonosika	mircea_popescu: I'll be happy with the outcome of this contract either way, nice to learn new things with you crazy fucks around here.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	antonosika it's everyone's sentiment	[02:31]
BingoBoingo	antonosika: Sitting around here and having access to every one in the chan's input is an effect IQ boost	[02:31]
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mircea_popescu	antonosika anyway, the last clause is there specifically to allow you to limit your risk as you can make me a settlement offer later on and who knows, i might take it.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	(for that matter, it's good policy / common courtest to see if i don't want to overbid in case you're considering assignment)	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	kinda how the market was born, irl, centuries ago.	[02:33]
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ThickAsThieves	<+BingoBoingo> BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea //// Before you know it your website will be all "10 Wacky Interesting Things You Never Knew About Marmots"	[02:34]
antonosika	mircea_popescu: I'll keep my fingers crossed then.	[02:34]
BitMarmot	BuzzMarmot	[02:34]
BitMarmot	I really do f***ing love marmots	[02:35]
BitMarmot	best animals ever	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[02:35]
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BitMarmot	They're goofy, largely benign troublemaker	[02:35]
BitMarmot	s	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	...	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	!up BlueMeanie4	[02:35]
-assbot-	You voiced BlueMeanie4 for 30 minutes.	[02:36]
*	assbot gives voice to BlueMeanie4	[02:36]
BitMarmot	What, MP doesn't have a spirit animal?	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	uhm.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	yes, but mine's a scorpion.	[02:36]
BitMarmot	Fitting	[02:36]
BlueMeanie4	Slime Mold	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	precise, fucking dangerous mind-your-own-business law enforcer type.	[02:36]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin. /// it's more of a scamcoin assimiliation phenomenon!	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves slime mold :D	[02:36]
BitMarmot	Spirit fungi bro	[02:36]
BitMarmot	wrong kingdom	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 if slime molds are animals ima make buenos aires my spirit animal.	[02:37]
BlueMeanie4	Slime Molds are actually fascinating	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	it's not even genetically coherent for crying out loud.	[02:37]
BlueMeanie4	but thats another story	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	yes but they're not animals. they're colonies of animals. like a town.	[02:37]
BlueMeanie4	well occasionally they go from being a colony to forming into a creature that gets up and moves	[02:38]
BlueMeanie4	not joking - thats why theyre so strange	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	what's this, animism biology ?	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	it does move but it's still not an animal.	[02:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: still got those usenet archives ? << only ever had a hand-sewn, humble archive (a la 'yarchive.net' but not as good.)	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform how woud you go about recouping all this guy's usenet stuff ?	[02:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: but i doubt that google corp. has the only copy of 'dejanews' - ask around.	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	yes i am asking around :D	[02:39]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you're lucky, 'google groups' might have a good fraction of it	[02:39]
BlueMeanie4	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVhLJLG7ug	[02:40]
assbot	John Bonner's slime mold movies - YouTube	[02:40]
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asciilifeform	re: electronic warfare article - the conflation between garden-variety signal jamming and 'emp' circuit zapping is inexcusable and a classic leper's bell of journalistic hacks	[02:41]
thestringpuller	;;ident	[02:41]
gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.	[02:41]
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thestringpuller	damn	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	ahh people's assumptions are such a great boon to internet humor. so i go on this blog and butthurt people, everyone assumes that since i speak the language i also live there, it's rioutous.	[02:41]
thestringpuller	time to export the private key to this machine	[02:41]
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mircea_popescu	;;ident BlueMeanie4	[02:43]
gribble	Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified.	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 listen : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing.	[02:43]
BlueMeanie4	this is even better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_uMH8Xpy0	[02:43]
assbot	Mould Time-lapse - The Great British Year: Episode 4 Preview - BBC One - YouTube	[02:43]
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nubbins`	so my macbook drank a cup of coffee today	[02:46]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: when assigning a key to a bot, what is a good way to allow the bot to access it? is a passphrase even practical?	[02:47]
thestringpuller	or more giving a key to a bot...	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	gpg agent ?	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	but yeah, make it its own key.	[02:47]
thestringpuller	yea. that's what I've been looking into, do you think it's legit though?	[02:47]
thestringpuller	legit over the wire*	[02:48]
thestringpuller	like ssh key forwarding...etc...	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	wait, what ?	[02:49]
thestringpuller	i was overthinking it sorry for being dumb	[02:50]
thestringpuller	if bot and key are on same machine, bot daemon can just run gpg agent as a daemon...	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/13/aubreystar-31811/images/full/13.jpg << fun fact : girls that walk on high heels don't tend to support themselves on the heel.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller yeah something like that.	[02:51]
thestringpuller	thanks mircea_popescu	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell BitMarmot Judging from the hits though << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#791057	[02:55]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:55]
assbot	Logged on 11-08-2014 23:15:37; mircea_popescu: godovo http://trilema.com/2014/awstats-and-stuff/ << 1mnish pages/month means even if they optimally use tor, it's still a tiny %.	[02:55]
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BingoBoingo	!up dsherm	[03:00]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/26/replies-to-select-comments/	[03:00]
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dsherm	thanks bb	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/08/12/anyaamsel-31810/images/full/02.jpg	[03:01]
BingoBoingo	dsherm: You are welcome	[03:03]
dsherm	was just reading contravex's "deflation isn't bitcoin's problem..." great refreshing read. found this channel there	[03:06]
nubbins`	how can you have deflation when the money supply is increasing :D	[03:06]
ben_vulpes	ah, i missed the marmot.	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[03:07]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 512.79, Best ask: 514.23, Bid-ask spread: 1.44000, Last trade: 514.25, 24 hour volume: 6709.59735671, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.560882049	[03:07]
nubbins`	battery did not survive the coffee :(	[03:07]
dsherm	its all relative to fiat ;)	[03:07]
mircea_popescu	dsherm still. bitcoin is inflaitonary. just, not as much as the various other shitcoins	[03:08]
thestringpuller	dsherm: is that a new one?	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	usd or doge or w/e	[03:08]
thestringpuller	nubbins`: did you just ruin a mac?	[03:08]
nubbins`	i just ruined a mac battery	[03:08]
thestringpuller	better than ruining a mac no?	[03:08]
nubbins`	the machine itself seems otherwise unscathed	[03:08]
nubbins`	indeed, yes	[03:08]
dsherm	m_p but at least the inflation will end	[03:08]
thestringpuller	what kind of mac battery?	[03:09]
thestringpuller	for the pro?	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	dsherm when ?	[03:09]
thestringpuller	i just got a mac book air	[03:09]
dsherm	it's an old one 4/4/14	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[03:10]
dsherm	M_P i was talking about the article from contravex	[03:11]
nubbins`	late-2008 macbook	[03:11]
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mircea_popescu	dsherm that's okay, but sitll, bitcoin will continue to inflate well into the 22nd century.	[03:11]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust deego	[03:12]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user deego: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 17 via 20 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=deego \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=deego \| Rated since: Tue Jun 19 02:22:41 2012	[03:12]
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mircea_popescu	at first i thought this must be a scammer play.	[03:12]
dsherm	M_P yeah i know but at least the rate of increase will... decrease	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	!up Flerb	[03:12]
-assbot-	You voiced Flerb for 30 minutes.	[03:12]
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mircea_popescu	Flerb yes, you're supposed to do something to earn trust. o.O	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	dsherm sure, and the total amount is upper bound. but see, journos do a lot of sloppy thinking. the total amlunt being upper bound != non inflationary.	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	and so on.	[03:13]
asciilifeform	http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/08/25/3475190/date-rape-nail-polish << mega-lol - liberasts oppose the 'anti-rape nail polish' product	[03:14]
assbot	Why Rape Prevention Activists Don't Like The New Nail Polish That Can Detect Roofies \| ThinkProgress	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: http://www.operationfabulous.com/advertiser/index.php?e=list << lmao	[03:14]
assbot	Operation Fabulous: Advertise with bitcoins.	[03:14]
dsherm	as long as it is a limited useful commodity	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform soviet bureaucrats opposed typewriters neh ?	[03:14]
asciilifeform	even funnier	[03:14]
asciilifeform	not even because it works - or doesn't	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	"it’s not necessarily the best way to approach the sexual assault epidemic on college campuses."	[03:15]
asciilifeform	'I don’t want to fucking test my drink when I’m at the bar. That’s not the world I want to live in.'	[03:15]
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asciilifeform	!s have to dip	[03:15]
mircea_popescu	dude gtfo, what "epidemic". us colleges used to be this fuckathon, these days they're like fucking nunneries.	[03:15]
ben_vulpes	don't stop	[03:15]
assbot	4 results for 'have to dip' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=have+to+dip	[03:15]
ben_vulpes	be leeeeeeving	[03:15]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#509005	[03:16]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2014 22:03:29; asciilifeform: obligatory russian drowning joke	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. They’re told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they don’t get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist — something that actu	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	ally reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	o fucking hell.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	what sort of alternative reality is this!	[03:16]
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mircea_popescu	women are actually expected to walk on four inch heels after the age of 16 so as to deform their calf musculature and get fucking implants once they're 35+	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	and to stop bitching about it!	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	o and also : IF you want any sort of shot at a decent lay, you're to have full nudes on the internet before you're 18 and aging starts.	[03:18]
asciilifeform	phun phact: knockout drops are alive and well in russia. but they are typically used by women - on men. chemically-assisted pick-pockets.	[03:18]
asciilifeform	perhaps the nail polish - in a transparent variety - will catch on there.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this is older than dirt. was the premiere reason women ended up forbidden from public places in teh islamic states.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	a millenium+ ago.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	all the greek sluts moved south and went to work.	[03:19]
nubbins`	scopolamine is popular in some touristy areas of south america as well, or so i'm told	[03:19]
Flerb	mircea_popescu, such as?	[03:20]
nubbins`	tourists helping the thieves move their belongings into the van, etc	[03:20]
nubbins`	Flerb, how would you earn someone's trust in your day-to-day life?	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` this is why you take your own bottle and your own whores to the strip joint :D	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	also, lol : "While it is occasionally used recreationally for its hallucinogenic properties, the experiences are often mentally and physically extremely unpleasant, and frequently physically dangerous, so repeated use is rare."	[03:21]
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mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them.	[03:24]
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mircea_popescu	!up BlueMeanie4	[03:25]
-assbot-	You voiced BlueMeanie4 for 30 minutes.	[03:25]
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BlueMeanie4	mkay	[03:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: (from one russian commenter) - 'does the nail polish change to warning colour after the fifth martini?'	[03:26]
BingoBoingo	!b 2	[03:26]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3FQN4BZ.txt )	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" << clearly no inflation propping up nasdaq. it;'s all just legit money, which is why all art and collectible prices are up 10x	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i thought russians had martini as the vermouth, like romanians.	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	;;ident BlueMeanie4	[03:27]
gribble	Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified.	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	so as i was saying earlier : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing	[03:27]
BlueMeanie4	how do i gribble	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	;;eauth BlueMeanie4	[03:27]
gribble	Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535	[03:27]
BlueMeanie4	i did that laready!	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	girbble blinked	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	if it didn't see you at any point it resets it.	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	hafta do it again	[03:28]
*	asciilifeform talked two chaps who were previously innocent of pgp and (mostly) of irc through the whole shebang. it took - minutes.	[03:28]
*	asciilifeform doesn't get why people whine	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah but you didn't pick them in the street.	[03:28]
penguirker	New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/some-mendicants-a-hill-moistened-bints-and-deep-breaths/	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	even were it wall street.	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	shit hanbot's writing like dailyt now.	[03:29]
BlueMeanie4	ok got the passwd	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	;;everify	[03:30]
BlueMeanie4	;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3	[03:31]
gribble	(everify ) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 no name needed. take it out.	[03:31]
BlueMeanie4	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3	[03:31]
gribble	Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.	[03:31]
BlueMeanie4	ho hum	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too!	[03:31]
BlueMeanie4	you guys dont get hte concept of usability clearly	[03:31]
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BlueMeanie4	eath what?	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	;;everify << you gotta do it, not me.	[03:32]
BlueMeanie4	;;everify	[03:32]
gribble	(everify ) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	it looks and sees a diff guy is putting in the decrypted string and calls shenanigans.	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	no, THERE you need the name.	[03:32]
BlueMeanie4	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3	[03:32]
gribble	Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.	[03:32]
BlueMeanie4	fuck this	[03:32]
BlueMeanie4	its the second time i did this	[03:32]
BingoBoingo	lol	[03:32]
BlueMeanie4	this is ridiculous	[03:32]
BlueMeanie4	i have a degree in CS	[03:33]
BlueMeanie4	make your system usable for christ sakes	[03:33]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: everify yournickname thatstringstartingwithfreenode	[03:33]
BlueMeanie4	THATS HWAT I DID BEFORE	[03:33]
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BlueMeanie4	;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3	[03:33]
gribble	(everify ) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).	[03:33]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: I have degrees in Philosphy and preventing rot in bound volumes	[03:33]
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kakobrekla	they dont teach pgp in cs?	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform now you misguided him!	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 keep your cool and think of it ths way :	[03:34]
BlueMeanie4	let the techno condescention begin	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	it's a time tested system to keep idiots out.	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	the hassle at the beginning will repay in spades later,	[03:34]
kakobrekla	failed on me.	[03:34]
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mircea_popescu	when you don't have to deal with them	[03:34]
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BlueMeanie4	maybe ill try again next year	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	usability is good ; barriers to entry are better.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	try it again now, it's not the big deal it looks like.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	you first go ;;everify BlueMeanie4	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	shit.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	you first go ;;eauth BlueMeanie4	[03:35]
BlueMeanie4	;;everify BlueMeanie4	[03:35]
gribble	Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.	[03:35]
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mircea_popescu	then you decrypt the otp and go ;;everify freenode-blabla	[03:35]
BlueMeanie4	SHIT YOU DONT EVEN KOW HOW TO DO THIS	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	and you're done	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :)	[03:35]
BlueMeanie4	;;eauth BlueMeanie4	[03:36]
gribble	Request successful for user BlueMeanie4, hostmask BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DCB374BF51587535	[03:36]
BingoBoingo	Now ;;everify "string"	[03:36]
BlueMeanie4	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:168e59752b337056f22927840844867ab6b0bb171ffd023b46ca4e3c	[03:36]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	yay.	[03:36]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) << I do it by hand	[03:37]
BlueMeanie4	do i win an internet	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	now, because you're so identified, you can go /query assbot	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	and in the window that pops say !up	[03:37]
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mircea_popescu	see ?	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	self -serve.	[03:37]
BlueMeanie4	i may make a contract system that doesnt use irc	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	and use it by yourself ?	[03:38]
BlueMeanie4	although you could potentially use WOT ratings	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	irc is an incredibly great system, give yourself some time to discover that first.	[03:38]
BlueMeanie4	no one can use this thing	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	i'm not here because it sucks.	[03:38]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: use telex if you like. still gotta prove you own the private key	[03:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35050 @ 0.00069043 = 24.1996 BTC [+]	[03:40]
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BlueMeanie4	its not about 'using it by yourself'	[03:40]
BlueMeanie4	if people want to short	[03:40]
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BlueMeanie4	or some other instrumet	[03:40]
BlueMeanie4	they can do it	[03:40]
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mircea_popescu	hanbot "demonstrating that perambulatory sculpture of the conspicuously unfucked might as well also possess meterological dominion over those parts of the world otherwise dangerous to honest hard-working folk predisposed to believe in peram…well, you know." ahahaha epic.	[03:41]
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mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ?	[03:41]
BlueMeanie4	what makes you htink you can do that	[03:41]
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mircea_popescu	ha-ha.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	what do they teach in cs these days ?	[03:42]
BlueMeanie4	so youre threatening any alternatives?	[03:42]
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mircea_popescu	no dude. i'm just trying to explain internet to you.	[03:43]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: 'to criticise is to volunteer.' suggest your variant.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	the only - the ONLY - reason any website is online right now, google including, whitehouse.org included, is that nobody can be bothered to knock them off.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	that's all.	[03:43]
BlueMeanie4	im trying to explain USABILITY to you	[03:43]
BlueMeanie4	you apparently think the whole world has all day to fuck around on IRC	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	somewhere they'll fuck around.	[03:44]
kakobrekla	in -otc	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	now whether it's irc or a website or anywhere else should come down to a technical discussion	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	which is what we're having.	[03:44]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it.	[03:44]
BlueMeanie4	the problem with using IRC is that you cant have high speed contract resolutoin	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	Yes you can	[03:45]
BlueMeanie4	theres the problem of competing to execute contracts	[03:45]
BingoBoingo	Well nothing useful can be all of high speed, low drag, and robust	[03:45]
BlueMeanie4	this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious	[03:46]
nubbins`	thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned	[03:46]
nubbins`	RIGHT ON	[03:46]
BlueMeanie4	because the miners can exclude some transactoins and fatally bias the market	[03:46]
BingoBoingo	Miners routinely exclude transactions	[03:47]
BlueMeanie4	sure, and this isnt a problem unless youre doing something where people are competing to be the first	[03:47]
BlueMeanie4	first person to bid or to execute a contract	[03:48]
BingoBoingo	If speed were the greatest virtue public transportation would not be a bus network, but coin operated people howitzers on every street corner	[03:48]
asciilifeform	!b 1	[03:48]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I think you missed	[03:48]
nubbins`	nod	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	Instead of the stadium gates you arrived at the parking garage.	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general	[03:50]
BlueMeanie4	proof is in the pudding	[03:52]
BlueMeanie4	does anyone use this thing	[03:52]
nubbins`	the details are in the pudding	[03:52]
nubbins`	there's a dick surgery song about this very thing	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	Contracts available for trading publicly need a centralized exchange. Private contracts need negotiation et al.	[03:53]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: 'usability' << we're using it. and it appears - you are, too. so what kind of 'usability' is lacking ?	[03:53]
BlueMeanie4	how do you measure success in a software project?	[03:53]
BingoBoingo	A private assignment of anything should never have the wires be the limiting factor in its speed of execution, other things will slow it first.	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious << this high speed thing is an unresolved problem in many ways.	[03:54]
BlueMeanie4	confidence chains was one solution, but you dont really 'p2p' with it	[03:54]
BlueMeanie4	its more of a distributed system	[03:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what fascinates me is how many people whine about 'slow' without saying precisely why they want 'fast', and while remaining entirely innocent of basic kindergarten-level gotchas like 'lamport's clock'	[03:55]
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mircea_popescu	you'll have to sit down and confront the twinheaded fact that a) before you can improve on something you have to gain good familiariy with it and b) that the temptation to just make as a cheap substitute for understanding is sinful.	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	!up cardigm	[03:56]
-assbot-	You voiced cardigm for 30 minutes.	[03:56]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no kindergarten i ever heard of shows lamport's clock	[03:56]
BlueMeanie4	well its not so much a problem of 'slow'	[03:56]
BlueMeanie4	do you ever use Ebay?	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	not personally.	[03:56]
BlueMeanie4	anyone?	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	I've used it.	[03:56]
nubbins`	have in the past, yep	[03:57]
BlueMeanie4	and when do 95% of the bids come in on an auction?	[03:57]
nubbins`	never	[03:57]
nubbins`	wait, sorry.	[03:57]
BlueMeanie4	in the last few minutes	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	Depends on the good. When I'm buying generally the one that wins comes early.	[03:57]
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nubbins`	it's all about Buy it Now, anyway	[03:57]
nubbins`	nobody straight-up auctions	[03:57]
BlueMeanie4	so the problem is in these sorts of systems is people will push the time limits as far as they will go every time	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay.	[03:58]
nubbins`	that's a general human problem	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	why is this a problem ?	[03:58]
BlueMeanie4	if i can exploit, and it makes me a dollar or two, i will	[03:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html	[03:58]
assbot	Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive	[03:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00068963 = 15.7925 BTC [-]	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: What was you favorite computer you ever owned?	[03:58]
BlueMeanie4	you better believe if any serious traffic were to happen on this system they would exploit the peculiarities of IRC	[03:58]
BlueMeanie4	apple II_	[03:58]
BlueMeanie4	II+	[03:58]
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nubbins`	what's the trilema article about how irc works	[03:59]
BingoBoingo	Ah, Imma Mac SE/30 kind of person. There are "now" slow machines, yes	[03:59]
nubbins`	not being an idiot, asking questions and immediately leaving, etc	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 what's your idea of "serious trafic" ?	[03:59]
BlueMeanie4	i dont know	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	so then why are you talking about it lol	[03:59]
BlueMeanie4	lets say 100k changes hands a day	[03:59]
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mircea_popescu	so what peculiarities would thus become exposed ?	[04:00]
BlueMeanie4	i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses	[04:00]
BlueMeanie4	your system seems pretty naive in this regard	[04:00]
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asciilifeform	'pardon my cynical twist, but what are you doing with that 20,000×20,000 double-precision floating point matrix you say you need to invert _today_? If you answer "nutt'n, I jus kinda wondered what it'd be like, you know", you should be very happy that I am most likely more than 3000 miles away from you, or I would come over and slap you hard.'	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 "seems" ? how does it so seem ?	[04:01]
BlueMeanie4	because no where do you even indicate that this is a problem	[04:01]
*	asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	>.<	[04:02]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task?	[04:02]
artifexd	;;gettrust assbot deego	[04:02]
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mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done.	[04:02]
BlueMeanie4	what would happen if one party had the unique ability to either take or leave EVERY contract that was submitted globally?	[04:03]
BlueMeanie4	and the other actors then got 'sloppy seconds'	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure.	[04:04]
BlueMeanie4	Bingo: congrats?	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 how would such a party have such an ability ?	[04:05]
BlueMeanie4	hold on	[04:05]
asciilifeform	and why would it matter ?	[04:05]
BlueMeanie4	do you accept that this is a problem?	[04:05]
asciilifeform	let's assume that superman flies in before anyone and 'takes or leaves.' how is it a problem ?	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here.	[04:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 944 @ 0.00093 = 0.8779 BTC [-]	[04:06]
BlueMeanie4	this is a big problem. this leads to market bias.	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	looky here : because wot users are identified, and their reputation forms a market hierarchy	[04:06]
asciilifeform	let me guess. 'unfair.'	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	parties will have this ability ANYWAY	[04:07]
BlueMeanie4	well im not opposed to WOT	[04:07]
BlueMeanie4	WOT is a rating scheme	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	and rightfully so. because to the trustworthy goes the business.	[04:07]
BlueMeanie4	great	[04:07]
BlueMeanie4	good for WOT	[04:07]
BingoBoingo	BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow.	[04:07]
BlueMeanie4	come here WOT lets have a group hug	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	well yes great but this effect dwarves your problem by degrees of magnitude.	[04:07]
BlueMeanie4	not at all	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	so fifty people want to accept the same contract, and mp says yes and the cp picks mp because hey, he'd rather have mp's cp risk.	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	what's the five miliseconds earliness bought the early bird ?	[04:08]
BlueMeanie4	the cp?	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	counterparty	[04:08]
BlueMeanie4	oh so the cp has the ability to choose?	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	of course ?	[04:08]
BlueMeanie4	so there is ZERO sense of non-bias in your system	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[04:08]
BlueMeanie4	its not fatal, but it falls short in some very important ways	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	it's so fuckng biased we have a wot to deal with the bias hierarchy	[04:09]
BlueMeanie4	you cant have highly liquid markets this way	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	didn't we go over all of this yest or w/e ?	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	you don't want highly liquid markets. you want robust markets.	[04:09]
BlueMeanie4	what is needed is a way to quickly INTERROGATE the contracts	[04:09]
BlueMeanie4	as in- determine them	[04:09]
BingoBoingo	!up bats_cd03	[04:09]
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mircea_popescu	lol.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 ever seen http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php ?	[04:10]
assbot	#bitcoin-otc order book	[04:10]
BlueMeanie4	youre loling and were there any contracts written today?	[04:10]
bats_cd03	lol	[04:10]
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bats_cd03	such patience on mp's part	[04:10]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: how many contracts for the purchase of, e.g, gallium, were written today?	[04:10]
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BlueMeanie4	its like a BBS	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share.	[04:11]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: is your (or mine) inability to answer this question with a definitive number (x kg, y usd, etc.) a 'problem' ?	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier	[04:11]
BlueMeanie4	again not saying htis is worthless	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	most everyone else does not want to say.	[04:11]
BlueMeanie4	but im interested in bigger game	[04:11]
BlueMeanie4	how can we generate millions USD in wealth	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox.	[04:11]
asciilifeform	hate to borrow from herr clinton, but what does 'generate' mean here ?	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	since then, the marketshare of all exchanges together dropped monotonously.	[04:12]
BlueMeanie4	what does generate mean?	[04:12]
bats_cd03	work on generating 100 btc in wealth first, mate. then go for 10.000.	[04:12]
BlueMeanie4	gen - latin root for 'create'	[04:12]
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mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 he's inquiring if you're trying to create or redistribute value.	[04:12]
asciilifeform	how can we generate millions USD in wealth << build, say, an aluminum refinery and find a new deposit of bauxite.	[04:13]
asciilifeform	like this answer ?	[04:13]
BlueMeanie4	yes wealth is CREATED by generating new obligations	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	only iyo.	[04:13]
asciilifeform	so - extract. ?	[04:13]
BlueMeanie4	its not extract	[04:13]
asciilifeform	!s chumpatronics	[04:13]
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decimation	“But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.”	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	you don't create new wealth by creating new obligations or else a law that'd enact the obligation of pigs to fly would make us all rich.	[04:14]
bats_cd03	when asked about 'creating wealth', i usually think 'creating energy'. can it be done?	[04:14]
BlueMeanie4	no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	it actually makes them poorer.	[04:14]
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BlueMeanie4	back in ignoramous paranoia land	[04:15]
BlueMeanie4	here ill give you an example	[04:15]
BingoBoingo	bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of	[04:15]
BlueMeanie4	i was in Belgium for a while and there was a group of people out in the country side	[04:16]
BlueMeanie4	and they made their own money system, a local currency	[04:16]
bats_cd03	your universe must be small mate	[04:16]
BlueMeanie4	out of nothing	[04:16]
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BlueMeanie4	and they loaned it to each other to do jobs on eachothers houses	[04:16]
BlueMeanie4	plumbing, electrical, etc	[04:16]
BlueMeanie4	this money system allowed them all to have nice houses in belgium	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	looky : the mortgages make society poorer not wealthier.	[04:17]
BlueMeanie4	with no capital	[04:17]
BlueMeanie4	no thats not at all correct	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	now, a little empoverishing itself for the sake of stroking its impatience may be okay	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	but if it does a lot of it it ends up like the us.	[04:17]
BlueMeanie4	either in principle or in practice	[04:17]
BlueMeanie4	well the people didnt have houses before	[04:17]
decimation	asciilifeform: I don't get the liber-tards argument, are they saying that women ought to be able to slut at the sluttiest parties without attracting unwanted male attention?	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	hey. it seems it'll take a while until this problem will be operationalized enough to be acceptable.	[04:17]
BlueMeanie4	then they had houses	[04:17]
BlueMeanie4	thats POORER?	[04:17]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled << It seems many of the danielpbarron invites elicit this reaction	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	decimation no, they're saying that the betas should be better betas already. i agree with the sentiment.	[04:18]
asciilifeform	decimation: yes. that's actual 'party doctrine', believe it or not	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	this notion that everyone's entitled to sexual release gotta go.	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 no, but it's not a fair representation of what happened.	[04:18]
bats_cd03	lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities)	[04:18]
BlueMeanie4	sure it is, I met these people	[04:18]
BlueMeanie4	of course they had to work	[04:18]
BlueMeanie4	but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists	[04:19]
BlueMeanie4	where there was once no houses, or even individual ability to create houses, there was not a usable house	[04:19]
decimation	none of this required debt to operate	[04:19]
BlueMeanie4	its similar with mortgages, requires capital to get all the specialists together to make a house	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ?	[04:20]
BlueMeanie4	decimation- try building your own house then	[04:20]
decimation	you think I could buy a house for some gold?	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists << Fraternities at universities do this without the debt. With beer, a good, they manage to trade the good for pledge's dignity.	[04:20]
BlueMeanie4	if you have enough gold. these people didnt each have enough gold to buy a house, but collectively they had the skills to make houses	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo doth not scale outside the dunbar number w/o a wot.	[04:20]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 513.21, Best ask: 514.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 514.42, 24 hour volume: 6677.18273998, 24 hour low: 502.33, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 509.617291213	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Who said anything about scaling. Sewers were a problem for the Spanish because of the scaling involved...	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	:p	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway. BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck.	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	now, who's more likely to have had a good fuck ?	[04:22]
bats_cd03	an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day.	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	bats_cd03 you got this whole soviet "illegal rich" thing going already ?	[04:23]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it's been SOP for ages.	[04:23]
decimation	bats_cd03: such a person ought to pay taxes and/or have a lawyer	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper	[04:23]
bats_cd03	i guess i've been here too long.	[04:23]
bats_cd03	'here': #bitcoin-assets	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "so where do you have it from" "fuck you" is what america is all about.	[04:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: where do you suppose the fuel to stoke the 'btc at 500 within 1%' engine comes from?	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	now that's an interesting point. if only...	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	anyway, so fucking ludicrous to see the stone soup argument repackaged by people who five minutes earlier complained of ignoramus land.	[04:26]
*	asciilifeform did (along with probably everyone else) predict this turn. i.e. - usg separating as many coins as can be turned up from their owners, by whatever means can be brought to bear	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	what is this shit even.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway.	[04:26]
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asciilifeform	the '500 wars' suggest that they weren't entirely unsuccessful.	[04:26]
decimation	mircea_popescu: well they still have some of the SR stash right?	[04:26]
BlueMeanie4	seems your understanding of how money works is lacking	[04:27]
bats_cd03	hue hue hue	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the first hour with the whore suggests one's "pickup skills" aren't entirely unsuccessful either.	[04:28]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: all that remains is to ask you - if you believe 'hard money' to be a heresy, why are you here? and not in '#dollar-assets'	[04:28]
decimation	I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	sure, for as longas there's money to be made, why not.	[04:28]
BlueMeanie4	its not a heresy, it's just a lower form of money	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 how do you know it's not your understanding of how money works that's the problem ?	[04:28]
BlueMeanie4	if im not mistaken, it's impossible to produce enough gold to account for all the wealth in the world	[04:29]
bats_cd03	lol.	[04:29]
*	asciilifeform can't help but picture a coprophagiac walking into a fine restaurant, proceeding to argue - with physical demonstration - his concept of 'fine dining'	[04:29]
bats_cd03	what about nanograms?	[04:29]
BlueMeanie4	Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point	[04:29]
bats_cd03	surely we can do that. it'd just be... terribly unpractical.	[04:29]
nubbins`	<+BlueMeanie4> no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier	[04:29]
nubbins`	my sides	[04:29]
bats_cd03	ikr	[04:29]
BlueMeanie4	nubbins, it absolutely does	[04:29]
decimation	I provide our present trollish company as proof of the widely distributed ignorance	[04:30]
bats_cd03	mortgages does make people a lot of slaves	[04:30]
BlueMeanie4	what you fail to see is how the world would be if loans werent available	[04:30]
BlueMeanie4	there are mnay places that do have this	[04:30]
BlueMeanie4	they are not places you would want to live	[04:30]
bats_cd03	decimation: lol'd	[04:31]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: loans are available - here. though not to everyone who asks.	[04:31]
BlueMeanie4	whats 'here'	[04:31]
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BlueMeanie4	youre saying credit doesnt improve your life?	[04:31]
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BlueMeanie4	thats absurd?	[04:31]
nubbins`	<+BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists <<< you're 100% misunderstanding what happened, by virtue of trying to view it in the wrong frame of perspective.	[04:31]
decimation	BlueMeanie4: a world without loans would be far more rational in its allocation of wealth	[04:31]
BlueMeanie4	wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness	[04:32]
bats_cd03	maybe we should rewind and assign a reading list. have you read keynesian theory, BlueMeanie4?	[04:32]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: nothing stops a btc user from lending to another	[04:32]
nubbins`	they didn't say "let us all go into financial debt to each other! you all owe me $100/hr for my plumbing services"	[04:32]
BlueMeanie4	bats- have you?	[04:32]
bats_cd03	after you have, read some austrian theory. write a 10pg open response.	[04:32]
nubbins`	they said "hey man, help me wire my house? i'll do your plumbing"	[04:33]
BlueMeanie4	nubbins, that exactly what they did	[04:33]
bats_cd03	still working through some papers, ya	[04:33]
BlueMeanie4	and you think Keynes was an austrian?	[04:33]
decimation	BlueMeanie4: your story of paupers proves nothing. if they had to skills to bulid houses, they have the skills to earn money to build houses	[04:33]
bats_cd03	your problem is: you are continuously assigning meaning to that which has none	[04:34]
BlueMeanie4	true, but the employment opps didnt necessarily exist	[04:34]
bats_cd03	i do not think that.	[04:34]
BlueMeanie4	so far i have yet to see anyone pose any interesting examples- mainly your typical libertarian bellittleing etc.	[04:34]
BlueMeanie4	or various immature responses designed to detract away from what is obviously a failed argument	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << Even my FBI agent admitted holding some bitcoin... The Treasury agent though was silent on the matter	[04:36]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: your story concerned a town which printed its own internal currency, yes ?	[04:36]
BlueMeanie4	something like that	[04:36]
nubbins`	my city did this once	[04:36]
nubbins`	not uncommon	[04:36]
bats_cd03	BingoBoingo: brilliant	[04:36]
BlueMeanie4	these days maybe not	[04:36]
nubbins`	1982-83	[04:36]
BlueMeanie4	whats your city	[04:37]
nubbins`	i've still got a "gilbert dollar"	[04:37]
nubbins`	st. john's, canada	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point << you would think that in either case.	[04:37]
BlueMeanie4	ya ok	[04:37]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: this is not an uncommon thing, and exists even here in usa (my local vegetable merchants at the market often trade with each other in primitive wooden coins they've agreed on)	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	this is what the average tardstalk forum scammer says, too.	[04:37]
BlueMeanie4	sure	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	bats_cd03> BingoBoingo: brilliant << Not a construction of mine. An event that happen, recorded in my wetware and entered into the public record	[04:37]
nubbins`	some tourist shops here accept canadian tire money	[04:38]
BlueMeanie4	i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	they are not places you would want to live << amusingly, the state says this of anarchy all the time. yet i've lived in anarchy and much prefer it to any kind of currently available state.	[04:38]
nubbins`	although that's at a larger scale again	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	be it fascist us or socialist norway.	[04:38]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: no one, afaik, finds this particularly offensive. but how does it follow that the farmers will require a growing supply of the wooden coins?	[04:38]
nubbins`	asciilifeform :0 +1	[04:38]
BlueMeanie4	they used to use 'wooden coins' aka tally sticks all the time during the middle ages	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	now how would you confuse those two ?	[04:39]
BingoBoingo	Or Beads in Manhattan	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	tally sticks are an implementation of a bookkeeping system, not coins in any sense.	[04:39]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: see also 'hawala' in moslem world, 1000+ yrs.	[04:39]
BlueMeanie4	what is your point?	[04:39]
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mircea_popescu	wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness << no, it's a radical view alright.	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	;;google "tin women, that's what"	[04:40]
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mircea_popescu	tsk.	[04:40]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: point was a question. how does it follow that a 'flexible' currency supply is a useful thing?	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ < there	[04:40]
assbot	The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[04:40]
BlueMeanie4	because it's not limited by some supply of some commodity	[04:41]
BlueMeanie4	all major money systems today are flexible money supplies	[04:41]
asciilifeform	BlueMeanie4: if city hall were to bring in a truck full of wooden coins, would this cause the requisite trainload of produce to materialize ?	[04:41]
TheNewDeal	BlueMeanie4 you offering call options?	[04:41]
BlueMeanie4	this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems	[04:41]
BlueMeanie4	gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems << you know you're repating this like it's the hail mary of your faith.	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	is it ?	[04:42]
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BlueMeanie4	these questions are reminding me that I need to look at cat pictures	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality << of fucking course. what gave you the ridiculous notion that we're about equality ?	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	the point of bitcoin is to make equality impossible and life miserable for the majority.	[04:43]
asciilifeform	it also helps gravity to keep working	[04:43]
BlueMeanie4	ill leave it at this	[04:44]
BlueMeanie4	as most of these dicussions go	[04:44]
BlueMeanie4	im not arguing for some strange mythical world- this is how it currently works	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	well what do you expect. come here with exotic priors, expect everyone to accept them or else you gotta go watch cat pictures ?!	[04:44]
BlueMeanie4	youre advocating something that is not only unsupported in principle, it doesnt exist in reality either	[04:44]
BlueMeanie4	and strangely you believe you are the position to scoff at these points when they correspond fully to how our system works right now	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	seems to be existing just fine, but yeah, that's a point that can wait. might as well revisit it after it's inevitable and you know, cut in stone.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	BlueMeanie4 if your system worked we wouldn't be here.	[04:45]
BlueMeanie4	so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well	[04:45]
BlueMeanie4	and we all know this is just a characteristic of a cult	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	your system is so fucking dead it's funny to watch.	[04:45]
bats_cd03	hahahahaha	[04:45]
bats_cd03	careful consideration is a characteristic of a cult. jeez, what isn't these days.	[04:46]
BlueMeanie4	you dont have a system, all you have is a few people roughly convinced you have an alternative	[04:46]
BlueMeanie4	thats comical	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	"you got exotic priors" "they're widely accepted on my island" "so ?" "so you're a cult" "what's your island again ?" "Easter island."	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	totally.	[04:46]
decimation	BlueMeanie4: you realize your argument of "all the cool countries do it" is not convincing?	[04:46]
BlueMeanie4	i dont have to convince anyone	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	yeah, you kinda do.	[04:47]
BlueMeanie4	"all the cool countries do it"?	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	see, the nude emperor system does depend on everyone staying convinced.	[04:47]
asciilifeform	just as 'are you paranoid if the gasenwagen is actually on its way,' -- 'are you still in a cult if the alien comet ship is actually parked in orbit, and waiting to pick you up?'	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	hard money however does not. it will convince you right into the ground.	[04:47]
BlueMeanie4	the problem is that the countries who didnt benefit from capitalism have a tendency to buy these broken ideas	[04:47]
BlueMeanie4	unfortunately it's not going to get you anywhere	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	lolwut.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	these borken ideas ARE capitalism.	[04:48]
bats_cd03	b-but, inequality?	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	what you got going there in teh socialist states of the americaz however is not.	[04:48]
BlueMeanie4	later	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well << No, this is reactionary, a return to principles more basic than any Tea Partier in a costume can imagine	[04:48]
*	asciilifeform wonders what gear these folks will change into when it dawns on them that -all- of their gods are being pissed on, vs. an arbitrary selection thereof	[04:50]
asciilifeform	incl. 'equality' and 'democracy'	[04:50]
asciilifeform	and rounding off with the 'greatest good for greatest number' crapolade.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	should be fun. but anyway, bbl.	[04:51]
decimation	asciilifeform: they will be derping to themselves as they dig ditches or whatever	[04:52]
asciilifeform	decimation: only when they're done preying on the living	[04:52]
bats_cd03	i've been watching Attack on Titan, on netflix. is p good.	[04:53]
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decimation	the thing is, he's absolutely right, the world is all his way right now.	[04:53]
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asciilifeform	which brings us back to >> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << does one need to understand the structure of Au atom to plunder gold coins ?	[04:53]
bats_cd03	would recommend!	[04:53]
decimation	asciilifeform: no but someone in charge needs to issue the proper orders, I doubt even this exists	[04:53]
BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: Lulz	[04:53]
danielpbarron	you guys don't have to !up them	[04:54]
bats_cd03	!s http://imgur.com/a/1PDRJ	[04:54]
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BingoBoingo	danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo to get the ability to up themselves	[04:55]
danielpbarron	i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing	[04:55]
thestringpuller	bats_cd03: I'm very picky with anime lol	[04:55]
thestringpuller	I even find Trigun hard to watch sometimes.	[04:55]
bats_cd03	whats hard to watch about Trigun?	[04:55]
asciilifeform	decimation: no need for fuhrer's orders. plenty of usg viceroys, on various levels, are in a position to plunder coin. some will wake up and understand that this gives them a shot at living slightly longer - and do it.	[04:55]
decimation	danielpbarron: I don't mind doubters, I just want one with the ability to provide points that rate above the "derp" level	[04:55]
asciilifeform	a national 'shadow treasury' for the loot to end up in - is not a necessary hypothesis.	[04:56]
decimation	asciilifeform: there is a point there. when bitcoin ramps up another order of magnitude in price, the "plunder" signal is plain for all to see	[04:56]
decimation	at some point the dollar/bitcoin price becomes a bat-signal that psychologically overwhelms the "it's not money" derpage	[04:57]
danielpbarron	09:54 <+BingoBoingo> danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo << do you mean they socially engineer their way in? (because the ability to !up yourself depends on the approval of at least 1 pre-existing member)	[04:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00068911 = 5.065 BTC [-]	[04:58]
BingoBoingo	;;gettrust assbot BlueMeanie4	[04:58]
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BingoBoingo	O.o	[04:58]
danielpbarron	ohhh SNAP	[04:58]
decimation	what is trusted can also be untrusted	[04:59]
asciilifeform	;;rate BlueMeanie4 -1 usg muppet.	[05:00]
bats_cd03	http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.16186,y.2014,no.3,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx	[05:00]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.	[05:00]
assbot	American Scientist - The Magazine of Sigma XI, The Scientific Research Society	[05:00]
bats_cd03	'the quest for randomness'	[05:01]
BingoBoingo	!b 7	[05:01]
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asciilifeform	bats_cd03: the most interesting part of such articles is, as often the case - what isn't said.	[05:02]
bats_cd03	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpiQiySOHE	[05:02]
assbot	YTCracker - Surgerunner - YouTube	[05:02]
bats_cd03	asciilifeform: go on	[05:02]
asciilifeform	bats_cd03: that is - the implicit endorsement of the pseudoscientific concept of 'random'	[05:03]
bats_cd03	i figured, but had to ask	[05:03]
bats_cd03	was browsing msdn yesterday -- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ff975191%28v=vs.85%29.aspx	[05:03]
assbot	canPlayType method (Internet Explorer)	[05:03]
bats_cd03	canPlayType() returns... "", "probably", "maybe"	[05:03]
thestringpuller	bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop	[05:03]
thestringpuller	which isn't even a bad...good scale more like a "weird...straight forward" scale	[05:04]
decimation	asciilifeform: it reads like mathematical masturbation to me	[05:04]
thestringpuller	if that makes any sense	[05:04]
asciilifeform	bats_cd03: 'random' means one thing if you're running 'monte carlo' sims (digits of 'pi' work beautifully, as does 'A Million Random Digits with 100,000 Normal Deviates' (rand corp, 1955. book.))	[05:04]
asciilifeform	and quite another for cryptography	[05:04]
decimation	watch as I abuse the assumptions in this formula... next week, I try another!	[05:05]
bats_cd03	i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography	[05:06]
asciilifeform	(where the only thing that matters is the difficulty, for the enemy, of obtaining prior knowledge of the bits, and not any measurable mathematical attribute per se)	[05:06]
decimation	!up dsherm	[05:06]
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dsherm	thanks	[05:06]
asciilifeform	bats_cd03: the subject has very little to do with cryptography in the usual sense. it touches on what can only be described as a philosophical confusion (a deliberately-propagated one, at that.)	[05:06]
dsherm	nice to witness hard money supporters in action	[05:07]
decimation	asciilifeform: in this sense cryptography is "fragile" in Taleb's way of thinking - it has a very deep but very tiny "crack"	[05:07]
asciilifeform	decimation: the 'crack' of - if the enemy learns your key, yer phucked?	[05:08]
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decimation	asciilifeform: yes that, but even more - you must keep the tools to 'break' it yourself to make it useful	[05:09]
vmuser	Why +m if everybody gets +v? :)	[05:09]
decimation	dsherm: are you a fan of hard money?	[05:09]
BingoBoingo	vmuser: Because not everyone keeps +v	[05:10]
asciilifeform	decimation: in the sense that you possess the plaintext at some point ?	[05:10]
vmuser	Fair enugh	[05:10]
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dsherm	only got interested in econ post 2008	[05:10]
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decimation	asciilifeform: yes, and the keys	[05:10]
decimation	asciilifeform: thus leading to the logic that someone must create a useful 'secure terminal'	[05:11]
asciilifeform	decimation: and the keys << nope. go encipher an rsa message to me and then break it without my priv key	[05:11]
asciilifeform	or your plaintext	[05:11]
dsherm	decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure	[05:11]
decimation	asciilifeform: right, but in the current computing world that exists, you must reveal your secrets to some von nuemann machine	[05:12]
decimation	/s/nuemann/neumann/	[05:12]
asciilifeform	decimation: i and perhaps a few other people did suggest, half-seriously, that people could learn to carry out, e.g., rsa, using mental arithmetic shortcuts of some variety	[05:12]
asciilifeform	but if captured by the enemy, you still confess the plaintext when hanging upside down over a nice hot fire	[05:13]
asciilifeform	this is not a shortcoming of cryptography.	[05:13]
decimation	asciilifeform: this is true. putting the 'weak link' on the human's shoulders puts a spotlight on his foibles	[05:14]
asciilifeform	'mental rsa' is mostly useful as a gedankenexperiment.	[05:14]
asciilifeform	for ferreting out just what it is that people really want.	[05:14]
decimation	it's possible that a public key encryption system could exist that would be mentally tractable	[05:15]
asciilifeform	if you could somehow harness the considerable mass of neural tissue devoted to various 'everyday' tasks for this purpose - it is certain.	[05:15]
decimation	like the 3-d calculus required to catch a ball?	[05:16]
asciilifeform	consider the methods 'mnemonists' (a kind of stage magician) use to memorize multiple kBytes of, e.g, the digits of 'pi'	[05:16]
asciilifeform	and/or, the several known mental arithmetic systems, like the kind invented by trachtenberg (while starving in auschwitz!)	[05:17]
decimation	dsherm: I agree with you, I don't see how the world 'reverses' bitcoin as an invention	[05:17]
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decimation	asciilifeform: some kind of 'memory palace' with a calculator :)	[05:17]
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asciilifeform	decimation: catch a ball << bad example. when high-speed photography appeared, people learned that man (and dog, and circus lion) do not catch balls by computing integrals, but through 'bang-bang correction'	[05:17]
asciilifeform	which is not to say that one could not, hypothetically, compute a numerical solution to something-or-other by tossing balls.	[05:19]
dsherm	decimation: well they're gonna try. soon i suspect? i also wonder if bitcoin is the black swan that causes the next crisis	[05:19]
asciilifeform	but we were contemplating specifically mental computation.	[05:19]
asciilifeform	s/causes/blamed for	[05:19]
decimation	asciilifeform: yeah this brings up stuff that humans do well that computers cannot	[05:20]
*	asciilifeform merely argues that mental rsa is not the total absurdity it appears to be on first glance	[05:21]
asciilifeform	!s karatsuba anthem	[05:21]
assbot	2 results for 'karatsuba anthem' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=karatsuba+anthem	[05:21]
asciilifeform	(fictional)	[05:21]
decimation	asciilifeform: it does seem that mental rsa is more likely to be useful than a totally new system	[05:21]
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asciilifeform	decimation: not that we're necessarily stuck with rsa for all time, but the burden of proof on anyone suggesting an alternative is bowl-loosening, if you apprehend it.	[05:23]
asciilifeform	*bowel	[05:23]
decimation	asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues)	[05:24]
asciilifeform	were it not for the doubts, folks would piss on the patents	[05:24]
asciilifeform	as they did on rsa's.	[05:24]
decimation	asciilifeform: what do you think about djb's curve parameters?	[05:25]
decimation	he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think..	[05:25]
*	asciilifeform if knew anything worth saying - wouldn't say	[05:26]
asciilifeform	or, more specifically, wouldn't have waited to be asked	[05:27]
decimation	asciilifeform: good point. for the interested: http://cr.yp.to/ecdh.html	[05:27]
assbot	Curve25519: high-speed elliptic-curve cryptography	[05:27]
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dsherm	+i	[05:28]
*	asciilifeform is always entertained when people come and ask, e.g., 'can you break rsa?'	[05:28]
asciilifeform	'can you fart a thermonuke?' --- 'sure, just this one time, only for you'	[05:28]
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TheNewDeal	;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist	[05:29]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.	[05:29]
TheNewDeal	authed	[05:29]
asciilifeform	lol, scientist	[05:29]
TheNewDeal	since when am I not	[05:29]
TheNewDeal	;;ident	[05:29]
gribble	Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.97.210.1', is not identified.	[05:29]
TheNewDeal	;;eauth TheNewDeal	[05:30]
gribble	Request successful for user TheNewDeal, hostmask TheNewDeal!b861d201@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.184.97.210.1. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77	[05:30]
decimation	perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings	[05:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00068911 = 6.96 BTC [-]	[05:31]
TheNewDeal	no way	[05:31]
TheNewDeal	then some asshat could just give you a large neg rating	[05:32]
decimation	not a weighted average	[05:32]
TheNewDeal	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:67f5ee9a233015ace7f97d653aa7641f771e48d20b95b6c5504d1317	[05:32]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user TheNewDeal with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77	[05:32]
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decimation	if 10 people rate you -1, should that be balanced by one 10?	[05:32]
TheNewDeal	;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist. may negrate soon	[05:32]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.	[05:32]
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TheNewDeal	have there been a larger than normal amount of random names dropping by for a day as of late?	[05:36]
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decimation	!up dsherm	[05:38]
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dsherm	thx	[05:38]
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dsherm	TheNewDeal: i will probably be one of those guys. i gotta learn how to use this irc thing	[05:39]
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dsherm	first	[05:40]
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decimation	dsherm: what brought you here?	[05:40]
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dsherm	was reading contravex blog	[05:40]
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TheNewDeal	tell us more	[05:41]
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TheNewDeal	what was the contravex blog blagging about	[05:41]
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dsherm	i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots	[05:42]
dsherm	TheNewDeal: bitcoin and deflation	[05:42]
danielpbarron	reddit has libertarian roots? what now?	[05:43]
TheNewDeal	5 thumbs up http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/	[05:44]
assbot	The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[05:44]
TheNewDeal	this is one of my pet peeves. bitcoin is not libertarian	[05:44]
TheNewDeal	it's bitcoin	[05:44]
dsherm	danielpbarron: well r/bitcoin used to be more libertarian	[05:44]
decimation	dsherm: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly	[05:45]
dsherm	TheNewDeal: Bitcoin is hard money which appeals to libertarians	[05:45]
TheNewDeal	sure, but it appeals to democrats, republicans, and anarchists, and anyone on the earth with more than 5 brain cells and a computer	[05:46]
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BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Well, a difference is who it appealed to and when	[05:47]
dsherm	TheNewDeal: well then a greater percentage of anarchists seem to have more than 5 brain cells	[05:47]
TheNewDeal	i think it appealed to cryptographers first and foremost	[05:48]
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dsherm	TheNewDeal: i suspect those crypto were also libertarians	[05:49]
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RagnarDanneskjol	that makes sense - the dewey decimal system is rather cryptic	[05:49]
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TheNewDeal	suspect what you will. I'm just saying it appeals to those who understand it, and I've seen cases of libertards not doing that	[05:50]
decimation	TheNewDeal: the pro-state element (most of whom you named) certainly are not fans of hard money, insofar as it upsets the status quote (state controls money)	[05:50]
ben_vulpes	i have a degree in CS	[05:50]
ben_vulpes	make your system usable for christ sakes << paha cs-folken can't in2 gpg and gribble?	[05:50]
ben_vulpes	did he ever get it?	[05:51]
dsherm	TheNewDeal: They may understand bitcoin but do they understand the implications of it	[05:51]
ben_vulpes	;;gettrust bluemeanie4	[05:51]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user bluemeanie4: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=bluemeanie4 \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bluemeanie4 \| Rated since: Tue Aug 26 15:52:35 2014	[05:51]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: what's the deal with your rating of bluemeanie4?	[05:51]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: read log ?	[05:51]
TheNewDeal	many of the pro-statists don't like the status quo. Haven't you seen all the hippies complain about the 1%?	[05:51]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: no fun, you	[05:52]
TheNewDeal	obummer ran on the pretense of "Change"	[05:52]
decimation	TheNewDeal: good point. it would be a mistake to attempt to analyze pablum with logic	[05:52]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: they like the status quo just fine, in most aspects. just not the present allocation of the loot.	[05:53]
asciilifeform	!up jborkl	[05:53]
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decimation	as moldbug would say, the pro-state element survives on the promise of getting an ever shrinking shard of 'power'	[05:53]
jborkl	Thank you	[05:53]
ben_vulpes	salud jborkl	[05:54]
ben_vulpes	do you have a wot handle?	[05:54]
jborkl	Jborkl_	[05:54]
ben_vulpes	;;gettrust Jborkl_	[05:54]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Jborkl_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Jborkl_ \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Jborkl_ \| Rated since: Tue Nov 6 13:11:21 2012	[05:54]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2014#811157	[05:55]
assbot	Logged on 27-08-2014 01:01:27; *: asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'	[05:55]
kakobrekla	did you find it?	[05:55]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: wtf is a 'usg scientist' in this context? something akin to 'christian scientist' (TM) ?	[05:55]
jborkl	Damn 2012, I have to get a life	[05:55]
ben_vulpes	there's a dick surgery song about this very thing << where's the dick surgery album?	[05:55]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: sadly not	[05:56]
*	asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though	[05:56]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1.09570735 BTC for No on "Gold will close above USD 2000 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/759/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.51127835 BTC. Current weight: 33,377.	[05:56]
kakobrekla	k	[05:56]
dsherm	decimation: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly....why is lib silly	[05:57]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though << one of many reasons I advertise my drinking, keeps this feasible	[05:57]
TheNewDeal	asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular	[05:57]
jborkl	How did the mike_c IPO go? Did not keep up enough lately	[05:58]
BingoBoingo	Hearn?	[05:58]
kakobrekla	i thought hallucinations are default in us.	[05:58]
BingoBoingo	jborkl: I believe everything sold above the advertised price	[05:58]
decimation	dsherm: by what means are you going to limit the size of the state?	[05:58]
TheNewDeal	i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla	[05:58]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: to usg, the only 'problem in bitcoin' is that it exists.	[05:58]
jborkl	Sweet , that is great	[05:58]
*	asciilifeform hallucinations are default in us << was not supplied with the correct drugs by warden, reduced to sobriety	[05:59]
BingoBoingo	;;google bud light whatever colorado	[05:59]
gribble	Crested Butte to be Bud Light's 'Whatever' town - US News: ; Is Crested Butte up for Bud Light's "Whatever" campaign? It just ...: ; Do Good Have Fun \| Bud Light Events:	[05:59]
dsherm	decimation: it was limited in the past by an inferior form of hard money called gold.	[05:59]
decimation	asciilifeform: welcome to the desert of the real	[05:59]
asciilifeform	;;google lem futurological congress drug	[06:00]
gribble	The Futurological Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Stanislaw Lem, The Futurological Congress and the Future of Illusion: ; The Futurological Congress: From the Memoirs of Ijon Tichy ...:	[06:00]
TheNewDeal	;;ticker	[06:01]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 514.77, Best ask: 515.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.18000, Last trade: 514.91, 24 hour volume: 6391.36590481, 24 hour low: 503.81, 24 hour high: 516.0, 24 hour vwap: 510.090272665	[06:01]
asciilifeform	(visitor to faraway planet takes forbidden 'sobriogenic' pill, notices that no robots, only idiots who think they're robots; takes a yet more forbidden pill, notices other things are absent as well... etc)	[06:01]
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jborkl	ben_vulpes how is the advertising going?	[06:02]
decimation	dsherm: there is some point to this, but as long as the state has a 'monopoly on violence' this isn't much of a limit	[06:02]
TheNewDeal	couple thousand coins sitting between 500, not the ten thousand there were before the dip	[06:02]
ben_vulpes	jborkl: some amount of market validation. still mostly insiders.	[06:02]
ben_vulpes	running on bitbet now, coinroll's advertising a bit now	[06:03]
dsherm	decimation: you need to be able to pay for that monopoly though	[06:03]
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jborkl	I think it is a terrific idea and good timing	[06:03]
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decimation	dsherm: that is a good point	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	jborkl: You see the stats on the venue page yet? http://van-ads.com/venues	[06:04]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform sounds like a fun book	[06:04]
assbot	Vulpes Ad Network	[06:04]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: it is.	[06:04]
dsherm	gotta run bye and thx	[06:04]
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*	BingoBoingo not sure it has been 7 days since those started and BitBet's started last night	[06:04]
ben_vulpes	^^ that's true enough	[06:05]
kakobrekla	bitbet slander !	[06:05]
ben_vulpes	its a pretty dumb-dumb implementation of impression tracking too - bitbet's numbers are only going to go up for the next 5 days or so	[06:05]
ben_vulpes	hey at least bitbet has > 10% uptime	[06:05]
ben_vulpes	dun know by how much but	[06:05]
kakobrekla	> 20 by now.	[06:05]
ben_vulpes	oh twenty hey	[06:06]
assbot	eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0	[06:06]
jborkl	Nice, not I had not seen that yet	[06:06]
asciilifeform	!up eightyeight	[06:06]
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ben_vulpes	!up eightyeight	[06:06]
*	assbot gives voice to eightyeight	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	BitBet is going to win the impressions race	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	Unless MP saves an obscure but beloved software project again	[06:06]
ben_vulpes	not that those are umbers that really matter	[06:06]
eightyeight	thx	[06:06]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform got a pdf or somesuch per chance?	[06:07]
ben_vulpes	eightyeight: WHAT---is your name?	[06:07]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: in what language ?	[06:07]
kakobrekla	lol.	[06:07]
ben_vulpes	eightyeight: WHAT---is your quest?	[06:07]
kakobrekla	english would do	[06:07]
*	asciilifeform saw one english translation, it was terrible	[06:07]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: They don't matter beyond telling fluffypony to STFU and blog moar	[06:07]
kakobrekla	a.	[06:07]
kakobrekla	that bad?	[06:07]
asciilifeform	get it in some, any, slavic one	[06:07]
ben_vulpes	yeah fluffypony you gotta make some posts b	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts	[06:08]
eightyeight	ben_vulpes: to seek the holy grail!	[06:08]
asciilifeform	not that those are umbers that really matter << they matter.	[06:08]
asciilifeform	sadly	[06:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#793473	[06:09]
assbot	Logged on 12-08-2014 21:19:59; asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'...	[06:09]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: the purist	[06:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: http://lib.misto.kiev.ua/LEM/futuro.txt	[06:10]
assbot	: . / /	[06:10]
asciilifeform	plain ascii txt.	[06:10]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Thanks, I'll chew on it	[06:10]
asciilifeform	http://vk.com/doc-43066394_195440371?hash=a20d107bab2e1c016a&dl=4de11202a3bbaf8cf4	[06:10]
TheNewDeal	asciilifeform that book looks awesome	[06:10]
assbot	Lem Stanislaw - Kongres Futurologiczny.pdf	[06:10]
asciilifeform	^original	[06:10]
asciilifeform	(pl)	[06:10]
decimation	asciilifeform: vk.com is an excellent place to find original krtek videos	[06:11]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: purist << just that 'my site has adz now' is worth more to me than pocket change	[06:11]
decimation	as well as all kinds of soviet strange	[06:11]
TheNewDeal	anywhere to find an engrish version :(	[06:11]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: engrish version << library?	[06:11]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: You've never chewed on strange languages before?	[06:12]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: it's not any kind of a denigration	[06:12]
jborkl	Ben_vulpes. Explain how it pays? Not sure on the pool btc	[06:12]
TheNewDeal	i've only dabbled in spanish	[06:12]
ben_vulpes	ah well you see people bid what they're willing to pay for a day	[06:12]
ben_vulpes	every day has a pool, the sum of coins bid on it for that day	[06:12]
ben_vulpes	each ad runs proportionately to its bid relative to the rest of the pool	[06:13]
ben_vulpes	venue operators rake in 99% of the bids. we take the bitcoin gold standard 1%.	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle	[06:13]
*	asciilifeform would ask for the ads, if he had any reason to think that some weirdo would bid enough right away to recompense for 'my site ever had ads'	[06:13]
TheNewDeal	in russian? or what is that language :/	[06:13]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Identifying the language is the most fun part	[06:13]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i think we all understand where your ask is and where the bids currently are. as much as i'd love to have the slot, you have to want it as well for the deal to make any sense for both of us.	[06:14]
ben_vulpes	it's supposed to be a win-win.	[06:14]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: yes. just explaining the mechanics.	[06:14]
TheNewDeal	russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian	[06:15]
decimation	some things simply resist commercialism	[06:15]
TheNewDeal	have you read of book We?	[06:15]
asciilifeform	TheNewDeal: even if you don't care for languages at all - learn it, and it's as if copyrasty never existed	[06:15]
TheNewDeal	the book*	[06:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6935 @ 0.00068889 = 4.7775 BTC [-] {2}	[06:15]
*	BingoBoingo rememebers "There's no such thing as a standard deal" bandied about here before	[06:15]
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asciilifeform	virtually every book ever printed, in plain text.	[06:15]
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TheNewDeal	copyrasty?	[06:15]
asciilifeform	copyright	[06:15]
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TheNewDeal	ahhh	[06:16]
ben_vulpes	;;ud pederasty	[06:16]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pederast \| Used incorrectly in the media as another word for pedophilia, pederasty is commonly confused for the obsession or desire for child pornography. Pederasty is ...	[06:16]
decimation	all kinds of fiat research has shown improvements in multiple cognitive traits in the multilingual	[06:16]
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ben_vulpes	bang-up programmers work well in a myriad of environments.	[06:17]
asciilifeform	decimation: not that this can be ruled out, but it smells of the same logic that would have us all move to japan to extend lifespan	[06:17]
decimation	asciilifeform: this is true, it does seem to beg the question	[06:17]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Or would have us all typing lojban	[06:18]
TheNewDeal	;;later tell mike_c what's going on with the War, man?	[06:18]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:18]
asciilifeform	deliberate reversal of the 'arrow of causation' is a favourite tactic of academtards	[06:18]
ben_vulpes	mike_c's on vacation yo	[06:18]
asciilifeform	'get married, you'll grow taller'	[06:18]
TheNewDeal	his website took a shit	[06:18]
kakobrekla	i thought its 'fatter'	[06:19]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[06:19]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DHCF5A.txt )	[06:19]
asciilifeform	fatter - works.	[06:19]
asciilifeform	taller - not so much	[06:19]
decimation	asciilifeform: indeed. usually this reversal of causation is a way to route around politically incorrect truths	[06:19]
ben_vulpes	thats how a money supply expands << i'm quite excited about this monetary system without insane expansion all the time.	[06:20]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: trolls, feeding of	[06:20]
ben_vulpes	i do what i want	[06:21]
asciilifeform	lol	[06:21]
decimation	ben_vulpes: note he didn't answer my question about a finite quantity of money being sufficient	[06:21]
ben_vulpes	who cares	[06:21]
ben_vulpes	all i know is that the house is on fire	[06:21]
ben_vulpes	(don't complain if it gets wet when i put it out...)	[06:21]
asciilifeform	funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun	[06:22]
BingoBoingo	In considering ben_vulpes ad platform we knwo the people who have advertised on the blogs established in #b-a's life and wonders who will come of of the shadows to advertise on Loper... because unexpected figures may emerge...	[06:23]
asciilifeform	lol	[06:23]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: actually, you don't know the people.	[06:23]
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ben_vulpes	all you know are the links they're linking.	[06:23]
*	asciilifeform won't hold breath waiting for this manna from sky	[06:23]
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*	decimation is depressed about usg beating the new new new iraq war drums	[06:23]
TheNewDeal	is this 8 Восьмой ?	[06:23]
ben_vulpes	even all i know is the gpg key the user uses to sign up and any funding addresses	[06:24]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: I remember stumbling into asciilifeform's hypercard post well before I did the same into bitcoin... Through /. of all places	[06:24]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ?	[06:24]
ben_vulpes	well its not free.	[06:25]
asciilifeform	aha!	[06:25]
ben_vulpes	and it's not strictly a minimum.	[06:25]
*	asciilifeform doesn't expect freebies. but won't pay to construct manna-from-sky catcher.	[06:25]
ben_vulpes	but you can run your own ad whatever fraction of the time you're willing to pay for...	[06:26]
decimation	how much for 0 seconds?	[06:26]
ben_vulpes	mind you van still takes 1% of your baseline pool, even though the rest goes back directly to you.	[06:26]
ben_vulpes	tanstaafl, so to speak.	[06:26]
asciilifeform	-ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else)	[06:27]
ben_vulpes	and a complicated optimization problem to boot.	[06:27]
nubbins`	ben_vulpes we'll eventually issue a compilation, but you can find that particular song somewhere on our website	[06:27]
ben_vulpes	;;calc 0.0015 * 365 * 0.01	[06:27]
gribble	0.005475	[06:27]
decimation	ben_vulpes: seems like a cool system, but would Leibniz decorate his Theodicee with ads for cookies?	[06:27]
ben_vulpes	cookies today, dubloons tomorrow.	[06:28]
ben_vulpes	bitcoins at all times.	[06:28]
asciilifeform	decimation: if peter I pays, sure.	[06:28]
asciilifeform	decimation: but he paid more than pocket change.	[06:28]
BingoBoingo	-ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) << Between the benevolent Kakobrekla donation and the MP seeding on the Van ads first month, if I hold long enough maybe I'll be able to wrest Alpha from Intel and host the blog on 22nm chips of a not shitty heritage...	[06:28]
ben_vulpes	see BingoBoingo's looking at the long term. patience, stamina...	[06:29]
asciilifeform	ah see, sale of anal virginity is a non-linear business	[06:29]
ben_vulpes	he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform does	[06:29]
ben_vulpes	this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing	[06:30]
*	asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас'	[06:30]
BingoBoingo	he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform doe << I do, but on a different standard. asciilifeform's blog has been going much longer than mine and with greater sustained excellence	[06:30]
ben_vulpes	different points on the trajectory	[06:31]
ben_vulpes	well, curve.	[06:31]
decimation	asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/2/23/Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg/640px-Bahlsen_alte_Produkte.jpg	[06:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: lol. and 'tesla' cars. etc	[06:31]
ben_vulpes	* asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' :(	[06:32]
asciilifeform	perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo.	[06:32]
decimation	asciilifeform: lol	[06:32]
BingoBoingo	perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. << Sure, sold in the under 12 section in the toy store	[06:32]
asciilifeform	;;google harry potter vibrating broom	[06:33]
gribble	Harry Potter and the Vibrating Broom - Top 10 Dubious Toys - TIME: ; 15 Unintentionally Perverted Toys for Children \| Cracked.com: ; Amazon.com: Harry Potter Broom: Toys & Games: (1 more message)	[06:33]
asciilifeform	i vaguely recall some weirdo suggested, one time, offering money for tattoo ad space.	[06:34]
asciilifeform	how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one?	[06:34]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. << crickets i tell ya crickets	[06:35]
BingoBoingo	http://trilema.com/2014/a-sad-story-illustrated/	[06:35]
assbot	A sad story, illustrated pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:35]
asciilifeform	lol	[06:36]
BingoBoingo	Loper is bigger than WaPo	[06:36]
*	asciilifeform recalls actually having a fresh post that month, to be fair	[06:36]
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asciilifeform	'We have established what you are, madam. We are now merely haggling over the price.'	[06:37]
decimation	asciilifeform: Der Werbeslogan lautete 1898: „Was ißt die Menschheit unterwegs? Na selbstverständlich Leibniz Cakes!“ "The 1898 advertisement: What does humanity eat while on the move? Why Leibniz Cakes of course!	[06:38]
asciilifeform	a proper 'leibniz cake' would probably be topped with 'panzerschokolade'.	[06:39]
decimation	it goes on to say that apparently Leibniz researched a method for producing a hard biscut for feeding soldiers on the march	[06:39]
decimation	apparently he came up with something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwieback	[06:43]
assbot	Zwieback - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:43]
asciilifeform	also a favourite cuisine in russian prisons.	[06:43]
*	BingoBoingo wonders if asciilifeform is a sufficient masochist to try building Loper on the back of his MIPS or if MIPS workstation will be an intermediate product...	[06:44]
decimation	asciilifeform: did the zeks eat melba toast	[06:44]
asciilifeform	there's even an expression, 'сухари сушить' - 'to dry [your] breadings' - meaning to prepare for prison	[06:44]
decimation	asciilifeform: lol	[06:44]
kakobrekla	yeah i have it on the counter.	[06:44]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'can't go to the moon by stacking chairs'	[06:44]
decimation	BingoBoingo: MIPS workstations are easy to purchase, buy an old sparc	[06:44]
BingoBoingo	decimation: SPARC is RISC, sure, but not quite minimal instruction..	[06:45]
BingoBoingo	.	[06:45]
*	asciilifeform has desk covered in perfectly ordinary, off-the-shelf mips workstations. none cost > 10 usd.	[06:46]
decimation	BingoBoingo: write your own "brainfuck" machine on fpga if you want minimal	[06:46]
asciilifeform	(none is much bigger than a deck of cards.)	[06:46]
decimation	asciilifeform: do you also have one of those tadpoles?	[06:47]
decimation	surely those are available surplus for cheap these days	[06:47]
asciilifeform	"brainfuck" machine on fpga >> nope. (why not? >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=55)	[06:47]
assbot	Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.	[06:47]
*	BingoBoingo envisions not ancientware or deck or cards but something that fits in an ATX case, roughly 2009 midrange intel performance	[06:47]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Tadpole laptops are still as expensive as fuck	[06:48]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: pick up an 'octane'	[06:48]
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asciilifeform	(why you want it? i've no idea. but there they are.)	[06:48]
decimation	BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus	[06:48]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I've looked at the SGI octane	[06:48]
decimation	asciilifeform: well it is certainly true that 'brainfuck' is not a habitable bedrock	[06:49]
decimation	it would beg to be 'compiled'	[06:49]
BingoBoingo	decimation> BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus << I imagine problem is more akin to why everything Alpha is still as expensive as fuck	[06:49]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: a well-worn alpha is dirt cheap. i threw away five of them a few years ago.	[06:50]
asciilifeform	(put on 'ebay', no one bid.)	[06:50]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: But the later ones have this dilema where they are advertised for quite a bit or scrapped	[06:50]
*	decimation remembers playing with alpha machine circa 2001, thinking it was quaint	[06:50]
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asciilifeform	the only actual good thing about the alpha was that the spec fit in a thin paperback book.	[06:51]
asciilifeform	same re: mips.	[06:51]
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asciilifeform	nothing magical here.	[06:51]
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decimation	usg doesn't allow its surplus computers which have touched anything sensitive to return to reality unharmed	[06:51]
decimation	probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect	[06:52]
asciilifeform	this is a recent thing, or there'd be no surplus 'symbolics' hardware at all.	[06:52]
asciilifeform	now they have 'shoot here' stickers on cheapo 'dell' laptops.	[06:52]
asciilifeform	(why? churn inventory. 'everybody's happy.')	[06:52]
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decimation	asciilifeform: back in WWII almost nothing was classified	[06:53]
asciilifeform	smbx was king at the height of reaganoid spymania	[06:53]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/14/a-proper-barrel-fire-a-secure-way-to-dispose-of-data-storage/	[06:54]
assbot	A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage \| Bingo Blog	[06:54]
asciilifeform	but 'in WWII almost nothing was classified' is mistake. witness the rarity of 'norden's bombsight' even in museums today.	[06:54]
BingoBoingo	Well, you don't need classified when everyone is treated like adults	[06:54]
decimation	asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified	[06:55]
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asciilifeform	the historical roots of today's SOP are in the 'born secret' doctrine of u.s. nuke work	[06:55]
asciilifeform	see -	[06:55]
asciilifeform	http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2012/08/29/forbidden-spheres	[06:55]
decimation	lol ebay search for 'tadpole' turns up... baby frogs	[06:55]
assbot	Forbidden spheres \| Restricted Data	[06:55]
decimation	asciilifeform: If true, that's ironic considering the total failure of anyone to keep those secrets from day one	[06:56]
asciilifeform	'A security officer informed him that the orange he left on his desk was, in fact, a classified object. He learned that any spherical object became a nuclear secret once it passes over the line...'	[06:56]
decimation	asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them?	[06:59]
decimation	one imagines such cargo cults must be rampant	[06:59]
asciilifeform	'quis custodiet ipsos custodes' etc	[06:59]
decimation	anyway with that I must retire, good evening gents	[07:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00069141 = 15.5913 BTC [+]	[07:09]
asciilifeform	if you (org.) want to keep secrets, the menu is roughly: a) employ incorruptible fanatics b) keep all henchmen incommunicado, in 'шарашка' prisons c) there is no 'c.' tertium non datur.	[07:10]
asciilifeform	notably absent from menu is 'retain army of thugs who know that spheres are interestingly secret'	[07:10]
asciilifeform	pertinent proverb, 'if guard knew [what's in the box] he'd pinch it himself.'	[07:12]
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mircea_popescu	decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues) << plus the fact schneier is pushing them	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	you know, the schneier of "this is an interesting article on gpg by Random Asshat Greene, Cryptozoologist"	[07:38]
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TheNewDeal	gotta find me a cryptozoologist position	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	decimation: perhaps assbot should only 'validate' those who have more positive than negative ratings << but it already does this.	[07:40]
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TheNewDeal	how so>	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots << reddit ? libertarian roots ?! when did this happen.	[07:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00068884 = 1.5154 BTC [-]	[07:40]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal l2 trust must be > 0	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: did he ever get it? << yeah yeah. it's not THAT intuitive a system	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: read log ? << lol what you seriously negged the guy ?	[07:43]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change" << yeah but change that way not this way.	[07:44]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: keeps this feasible << and by feasible you mean plausible ?	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: not that those are umbers that really matter < yeah srsly, i wouldn't put much stock in that counter.	[07:49]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian << it's actually not nearly as hard as it seems.	[07:51]
TheNewDeal	cryllic text looks daunting upfront	[07:52]
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mircea_popescu	it's perfectl;y transliterable tho, which means the font is just a mask.	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	not such for stuff like chinese, say	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: funny how BlueMeanie4 reads so much like ninjaspamgun << i dun see it.	[07:55]
TheNewDeal	reminds me of solving a http://www.wikihow.com/Image:Complete-a-Cryptogram-Step-1.jpg	[07:55]
assbot	Image:Complete a Cryptogram Step 1.jpg - wikiHow	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was mention of user-tweakable minimum bids at one point ? <<< open up for bids, bid 1 btc/day on your own thing, this way you're charged a bitcent a day and in exchange you get a guarantee that nobody willing to pay less than 1 btc per half your impressions shows up.	[07:57]
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mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing < :D	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	"experience ? what is that ?"	[07:58]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah that one.	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: how do you suppose most people would react to 'taking it slowly' for that one? << what are weddng rings if not a system for slow-cooking tattoos ?	[08:00]
asciilifeform	a bitcent a day << more than i'm willing to spend on lotto	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	turns out this process is a lot more fundamental to bitcoin than originally thought. your exact argument can be brought by person at the brink of the wot, "i'll get in the wot if you guarantee me good deals" he may say.	[08:01]
asciilifeform	being in wot doesn't void yer starfish warranty.	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i just took some arbitrary numbers. you can make it 10 bitcents a day, in which case it costs 0.1	[08:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well now that's obviously all subjective neh ?	[08:02]
mircea_popescu	generally the girls that've not yet been buggered tend to attach a lot more importance to it than the normal ones.	[08:02]
*	asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site, but admittedly hasn't tried hard	[08:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00068957 = 6.2406 BTC [+]	[08:03]
*	asciilifeform recently visited a restaurant he frequented as student, and noticed appearance of placemats with (very spammy) ads.	[08:03]
*	asciilifeform was palpably dismayed, felt that the place must be in dire straits	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	all places are in dire straits	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	the mortgages made them wealthier.	[08:04]
asciilifeform	sure did.	[08:04]
mircea_popescu	* asciilifeform can't immediately picture who might see wot the way he sees ads on site << anyway, this is about fucking freedom, so, you know, enjoy fucking her. it's not about adding musts, it's about adding mays.	[08:05]
asciilifeform	slow-cooking tattoos << or very fast cooking, if you do electrical or chemical work...	[08:05]
mircea_popescu	if every time someone opened a steakhouse everyone had to go have steak there it'd be a sad world/	[08:05]
*	asciilifeform was not declaring van ad machine to be 'considered harmful'	[08:06]
asciilifeform	but was asked at one point why he wasn't in, and answered	[08:06]
assbot	Blue Meanie (BlueMeanie4) auf Twitter	[08:08]
*	asciilifeform doesn't stop in crosswalks on busy streets to pick up penny, either.	[08:08]
mircea_popescu	ha that's funny.	[08:09]
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ben_vulpes	back to this "what is the value of a bitcoin" thing again	[08:11]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: closer to 'what is the value of a gram of soil'	[08:11]
asciilifeform	if you have a gram - you have dusty fingers	[08:11]
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asciilifeform	a few teratons - you have a potentially-habitable planetoid	[08:11]
ben_vulpes	else a continent?	[08:11]
ben_vulpes	myeah.	[08:12]
ben_vulpes	grains today	[08:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0006922 = 5.3299 BTC [+]	[08:12]
asciilifeform	dusty hands are worth less than nothing to me. planetoid - worth something.	[08:12]
asciilifeform	herr newton does not tell us where the inflection point lies	[08:12]
asciilifeform	or how many droplets of water is a flood.	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	so http://altchain.org/ whence Web Design, Content Development and SEO by James Bryant.	[08:13]
assbot	Welcome \| altchain.org :: Open Source Peer-To-Peer Cryptofinance Infrastructure	[08:13]
BingoBoingo	lulzy	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform there actually is a c).	[08:15]
asciilifeform	what'd that be	[08:15]
ben_vulpes	https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwUFHE6KYsM0ZkxLVmFwbXQ3ck0/edit	[08:15]
assbot	peer-to-peer-assets.pdf - Google Drive	[08:15]
mircea_popescu	if the knowledge differential is large enough to approach the magic event horizon, hiding in plain sight works.	[08:15]
TheNewDeal	;;ident shovel_boss	[08:16]
gribble	Nick 'shovel_boss', with hostmask 'shovel_boss!~shovel_bo@gateway/tor-sasl/shovelboss/x-56238960', is not identified.	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	this is how the glorious lie was born in the first place.	[08:16]
asciilifeform	yes but who engineers the mechanics of what is to be hidden, inside what.	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	see, all romans know how the law works.	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	none of the germans do	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	c).	[08:16]
mircea_popescu	they can even send ovid to live in the pontus, what'll that do. start a rome there, with the savages ?	[08:17]
asciilifeform	this presumes that either - no roman will turn coat, and explain to a german - or - no german born can understand were it told to him	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	if the differential is large enough	[08:17]
asciilifeform	much the same way we keep arithmetic secret from dogs	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	no german can understand it. period.	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	pretty much, yes.	[08:17]
asciilifeform	but we don't normally talk of keeping arithmetic secret from dogs	[08:17]
mircea_popescu	keep the germans interested in who dumped who and what's the most recent popsong/sex tape	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	and there you go.	[08:18]
asciilifeform	the name of the exercise 'keeping secret' presumes an opponent capable of knowing	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	well of course. SEE what a well kept secret it is ?	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	the germans are human just as much as the romans.	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	their incapcity is circumstantial and culturally constructed.	[08:18]
mircea_popescu	it should qualify.	[08:18]
asciilifeform	in card player's parlance, 'smoke more, give opponent CO poisoning'	[08:19]
asciilifeform	works.	[08:19]
mircea_popescu	how did the soviets keep their gdp secret ? and how are the us soviets keeping their gdp secret ?	[08:19]
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asciilifeform	i suppose one might even then include a 'd)', 'sow crank bait'	[08:19]
asciilifeform	(discredit nosy parkers)	[08:19]
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mircea_popescu	good read that forbidden spheres thing.	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	vaununu doesn'tr get nearly enough airplay. imo he's the most important jew to have ever been produced by israel.	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	forget abject whiners a la eli weasel & co.	[08:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00068798 = 18.2315 BTC [-] {3}	[08:24]
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mircea_popescu	!up beetcoin	[08:25]
-assbot-	You voiced beetcoin for 30 minutes.	[08:25]
*	assbot gives voice to beetcoin	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	let me guess, it's ukrainian and backed by beet salad.	[08:25]
beetcoin	hahaha	[08:25]
beetcoin	proof of fertilizer	[08:25]
asciilifeform	'and when we had nothing remaining to eat, they gave us a turnip, they gave us a beet. 'here have some mice, have some fleas! here, have some typhus! die of disease.''	[08:26]
asciilifeform	(attributed to warsaw ghetto death diary)	[08:26]
beetcoin	very touching, asciilifeform.	[08:26]
*	asciilifeform didn't invent	[08:27]
TheNewDeal	put me down for one thousand beet coins	[08:30]
TheNewDeal	i'm sold	[08:30]
beetcoin	"Satan is glad when I am bad, / And hopes that I with him shall lie, / In fire and chains, and dreadful pains." -- Victorian child's poem	[08:30]
beetcoin	you must grow your own beetcoins, TheNewDeal	[08:31]
TheNewDeal	can I buy a farming contract?	[08:31]
beetcoin	I'm sure someone will sell you one.	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	dude victorians were seriously selling bdsm to preteens ?	[08:31]
beetcoin	it would seem so	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what's the sum total of victorian girly orgasms generated by rubbing the nubbin more or less furiously to that song.	[08:32]
beetcoin	i will give the answer for just a few beetshekels	[08:33]
TheNewDeal	i want one thousand beetcoins, screw the shekels	[08:35]
beetcoin	a pound of beets	[08:35]
asciilifeform	https://archive.org/details/peepofdayorserie00mort	[08:35]
asciilifeform	^ source	[08:35]
assbot	The peep of day : or, a series of the earliest religious instruction the infant mind is capable of receiving, with verses illustrative of the subjects : Mortimer, Favell Lee, 1802-1878 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive	[08:35]
TheNewDeal	pound? that's not a thousand. I'm talking a kilo	[08:35]
beetcoin	I'm sorry, I don't have any actual beetcoins	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	jurov: Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, <<< aaa-hahahaha.	[08:36]
TheNewDeal	;;rate beetcoin 0 worthless to me	[08:36]
gribble	Error: Rating must be in the interval [-10, 10] and cannot be zero.	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah, totally.	[08:36]
beetcoin	someone made this for me: http://a.pomf.se/xwjqzk.png	[08:36]
beetcoin	best I have to offer	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: lol re: the notion of 'controlling' a hypothetical 'superintelligent' machine. <<< i've controlled superintelligent womenz, they luv'd it. why'd the ai necessarily not enjoy it ?	[08:37]
asciilifeform	question of degree.	[08:38]
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asciilifeform	normally when people contemplate 'superintelligent' whatevers, if they use their imagination well, the machine is to us as we are to the bacterium	[08:38]
mircea_popescu	okay...	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	suppose i gave you an applesized cow that ran around the desk.	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	wouldn't you cater to the ubercute desk cow ?	[08:40]
asciilifeform	might, for a spell. and then sell it to some weirdo who might, for lulz, eat it on camera	[08:40]
asciilifeform	like an oyster.	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	for the spell, how would the cow ever know it's not controlling you.	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	and yes, then we die. so ?	[08:40]
beetcoin	thanks for +v mircea_popescu, I'll mainly lurk for a while after it expires, I'm interested in this channel	[08:41]
asciilifeform	this sorta touches on 'housecats keep us pets' concept.	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	enjoy.	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform quite.	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	!up JimDowJones	[08:42]
-assbot-	You voiced JimDowJones for 30 minutes.	[08:42]
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JimDowJones	yo	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	ello.	[08:42]
TheNewDeal	so hard to get voice in the channel; it's a barrier	[08:43]
JimDowJones	i think i love irc	[08:44]
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TheNewDeal	iirc	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	ancient but dependable slut, irc.	[08:45]
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JimDowJones	ya seriously what a slut	[08:49]
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nubbins`	great barrier +veef	[08:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: herr vanunu: archetypical example of 'can have problems'	[08:57]
asciilifeform	(bonus: look up who else sat in the same prison)	[08:57]
asciilifeform	how does a tiny country with no useful minerals rape the planet? this is how. piss the buggers off - no wall is tall enough	[08:59]
asciilifeform	(vanunu, for his part, insists they even plugged kennedy for 'rocking boat')	[09:00]
TheNewDeal	read it tinny	[09:04]
asciilifeform	'assassin state' is a pretty good strategy. castle of alamut stood for ~200 years.	[09:04]
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asciilifeform	(zapped by mongols, who didn't get the memo that they 'could also have problems')	[09:05]
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BingoBoingo	!up cryptoflood	[10:09]
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cryptoflood	hey	[10:10]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the only reason that thing stood is because it was placed somewhere not even the goats cared to inhabit.	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	shitlandia kingdom is welcome to any delusions of self importance and grandeur - just as long as it packs and moves there.	[10:15]
mircea_popescu	an' with that, im out. later all!	[10:16]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:38]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[19:38]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[19:38]
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no_imagination	is everything logged?	[19:39]
kakobrekla	aaand action!	[19:40]
Apocalyptic	yes it is	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal yes well, what's that do you know ?	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	;;topic	[19:40]
gribble	http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	no_imagination see the log one.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	join/parts are not logged.	[19:40]
no_imagination	ty	[19:40]
ben_vulpes	lol jborkl graduated van to beta	[19:41]
ben_vulpes	thanks boss	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes hey, it hasnt been haxxed so far rite ?	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	two weeks, qualifies.	[19:41]
*	ben_vulpes has not run with the money	[19:41]
ben_vulpes	/me, for the record, doesn't even hold the money	[19:41]
*	ben_vulpes , for the record, doesn't even hold the money	[19:41]
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mircea_popescu	and to start things up on the right leg : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3svvCj4yhYc	[19:42]
assbot	Flappers - The Roaring Twenties - YouTube	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: ^ Only problem with that room is "No fumadores" << you can do better than that.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	that thing looks tiny and the "no fumadores" bs is laughable.	[19:48]
asciilifeform	wait BingoBoingo escaped ?	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	jailbird can dream, cannit ?	[19:49]
asciilifeform	aha	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	what, you jelly ?	[19:49]
asciilifeform	lol	[19:49]
*	asciilifeform dreams. of mobile oppression palace. http://theinfosphere.org/Mobile_Oppression_Palace	[19:49]
assbot	Mobile Oppression Palace - The Infosphere, the Futurama Wiki	[19:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00083649 = 12.5474 BTC [-]	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	alabama sucks huh.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	Its destruction resulted in Earth being liberated, since the Mobile Oppression Palace had been the Decapodian's sole means of enforcing their rule on Earth.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	lmao yeah, that's totally how it works. lmao.	[19:51]
*	asciilifeform can't attest how much alabama sucks, hasn't been to it	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	who writes this crap.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	(it was a pun. mobile, alabama)	[19:51]
asciilifeform	lol	[19:51]
chetty	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735354/Obama-sidestep-Congress-signing-international-climate-change-agreement-leaked-United-Nations-report-reveals-severe-irreversible-impacts-global-warming.html	[19:51]
assbot	President Barack Obama to sidestep Congress with international emissions agreement \| Mail Online	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	what's congress even for ?	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	i forget.	[19:53]
chetty	to collect salaries and bribes	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo also, it's in hipsterlandia.	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	all gringos flock to palermo for some god forsaken reason. shit there is about 2x as expensive and the restaurants all look like they were kicked out of austin, tx.	[19:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ever been to brooklyn, ny ?	[19:54]
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mircea_popescu	yes/	[19:54]
asciilifeform	where all the sorriest soviet escapees re-created their zoo	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	funny how that shit works, huh.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	at some point the italians were working to recreate palermo there.	[19:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51406 @ 0.00084012 = 43.1872 BTC [+] {4}	[19:56]
asciilifeform	if you're stuck in a zoolag it's one thing; if you escape and then re-build it, that's voluntary.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	path of least resistence.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	you see, creating a zoolag in the first place is a work of art. the zeks are the resistence of the medium	[19:56]
asciilifeform	'paris eats couscous'	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	the exact shape the gulag takes is a lot more a function of what the zeks put up with and how exactly	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	than of the original vision of the stalin in question.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	consequently, of course they'll fucking recreate it.	[19:57]
*	asciilifeform once thought this was known to everyone	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	well now it is, what with being in the logs an' all :D	[19:57]
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mircea_popescu	Sheets and towels are changed twice a week. Maid service is included. Need your clothes washed? We'll take care. Need some help cooking or ordering take out? We can help. Any questions you might have don't hesitate to ask! I'm at your service! << "is the maid hot ?"	[19:58]
BingoBoingo	Who knows?	[19:59]
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mircea_popescu	"Get Paid to PARTY!!!! (CABA)"	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	lmao they conveniently omit "must carry cona at all times!"	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	. Staff are expected to interact with every single customer and make it a fun night no matter the size of the group, bad weather, bars closing at the last minute, long walks, drunken behavior, etc. << srsly. this is where the level is, irl, in this world.	[20:01]
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mircea_popescu	this is what ppls gotta do to earn their bread.	[20:01]
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danielpbarron	;;rate eightyeight 1 https://twitter.com/AaronToponce	[20:01]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded.	[20:01]
assbot	Aaron Toponce (AaronToponce) auf Twitter	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol: think you need a passpuerto first << you can probably simply walk into mexico. you can definitely cross the border to guatemala on foot. once in guatemala, you can hit the local consulate for a temp passport and that's that.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	poor soviets had it a lot harder, they had to walk to finland. it's fucking cold in finland.	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: Know any corporations that need Librarians? <<< ahahha this made my lol	[20:05]
BingoBoingo	jailbird can dream, cannit ? << This	[20:05]
BingoBoingo	Dreams of cigarette powered balloons and homemade zepplins	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	you gotta stop hussling poor innocent ppls tho. ragnar fellow is an actual recruiter, wtf do you want to do as a librarian.	[20:06]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: jailbird dream << http://www.wysotsky.com/1033.htm?1130	[20:06]
BingoBoingo	Eh make enough to escape. Have a second career as a party herder.	[20:07]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what professions does he seek ?	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform according to himself in the log, any ?	[20:07]
asciilifeform	but not librarians ?	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	well let's try and be reasonable, for like the first time this year here ?	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck would hire a librarian.	[20:08]
asciilifeform	... a library.	[20:08]
TheNewDeal	touche	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	no, actually, it wouldn't.	[20:08]
TheNewDeal	who would NOT hire a librarian!?	[20:09]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=218435.msg8557922#msg8557922	[20:09]
asciilifeform	true, they'll get a starving chemist etc	[20:09]
assbot	Official CaVirtex.com Thread	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[20:09]
nubbins`	^ cavirtex / havelock shenanigans	[20:09]
BingoBoingo	no, actually, it wouldn't. << Surprisingly true	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	and this even if we don't go all b-a and consider a hire only something that comes with stock options.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what'd they do this time ?	[20:09]
nubbins`	trying to buy back everyone's "shares" while they scramble to pretend they've been a legitimate company this whole time	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	ALL THIS TIME!	[20:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: aren't you also a machinist?	[20:10]
nubbins`	srsly, if you accept the buyout, ithey retroactively declare you were never a shareholder	[20:10]
asciilifeform	or was that vulpes	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	"I hope you do not drive away your existing tech-saavy users, like those of us who signed up back in the fall of 2011, with a dumbed down, simplified and rigid user experience a la Facebook.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	There are those of use who find dumbed down, simplified and rigid interfaces extremely irritating and annoying and have zero use for Facebook."	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	BUT USABILITY!	[20:11]
nubbins`	or, well, that's what they say, at least. although if i call a steak a lobster...	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	where is the meanie guy.	[20:11]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: aren't you also a machinist? << believe that was vulpes	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	i thought vulpes was a blowupitem-ist	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	"Should you exercise your right of rescission"	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	say wut ?!	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	wasn't this thing candian ?	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	rescission is, as far as memory serves, the result of a us law, and works out to the right for backsies on mortgages for 3 days after signing.	[20:13]
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mircea_popescu	(it's featured prominently in glengarry glen ross of all places - that's why that entire scene with the mark trying to get his mortgage cleared and when the check was cashed etc)	[20:15]
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thestringpuller	!last m s.mpoe	[20:18]
assbot	Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00084012 BTC [+]	[20:18]
thestringpuller	LOL	[20:18]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[20:18]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00068641 / 0.00072516 / 0.00084059 (554647 shares, 402.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065571 / 0.00084059 (4461623 shares, 2,925.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.00076053 / 0.00094217 (18270307 shares, 13,895.25 BTC)	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	o wait we're back ?	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[20:18]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 512.74, Best ask: 513.67, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 513.67, 24 hour volume: 7638.24866748, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 515.423336699	[20:18]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what's your take on the guy's death btw ?	[20:20]
asciilifeform	which guy ?	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	vysotsky	[20:22]
asciilifeform	ah	[20:22]
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mircea_popescu	which one	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:23]
asciilifeform	od	[20:23]
TheNewDeal	eww	[20:23]
asciilifeform	afaik he died of a typical od - took customary dose of opium after quitting for a spell	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	a. yeah.	[20:24]
TheNewDeal	brother put cocoa in the coffee. is this a thing?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	yes. among sluts.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	ask him if he's turning twink nao.	[20:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26930 @ 0.00084455 = 22.7437 BTC [+] {2}	[20:26]
TheNewDeal	;;ud twink	[20:26]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twink \| An attractive, boyish-looking, young gay man. The stereotypical twink is 18-22, slender with little or no body hair, often blonde, dresses in club wear even at ...	[20:26]
TheNewDeal	tastes very bitter	[20:26]
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TheNewDeal	and i normally enjoy bitter coffee	[20:27]
thestringpuller	;;calc 8500/25	[20:28]
gribble	340	[20:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: re: vysotsky << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35NOsBxTpDs >> about the fellow who did own appendix	[20:28]
assbot	- YouTube	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	;;seen RagnarDanneskjol	[20:30]
gribble	RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 51 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: !up RagnarsBitch	[20:30]
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TheNewDeal	question on bad or good bet - "All volatility bets resolve no"	[20:32]
TheNewDeal	September, October, and 2014	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	doubt it'll pass	[20:34]
TheNewDeal	even with 0conf on yes?	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	well for one thing it's open ended.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	someone bets, makes a special volatility bet right after, wins.	[20:36]
BingoBoingo	Maybe if you specify which volatility bets in advance	[20:36]
TheNewDeal	that's what I was saying. September, October, 2014	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	which are those ?	[20:37]
TheNewDeal	could even link to them	[20:37]
TheNewDeal	http://bitbet.us/bet/986/bitcoin-volatility-2014-over-800/	[20:38]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin volatility 2014 over $800 :: 0.55 B (55%) on Yes, 0.45 B (45%) on No \| closing in 2 months 2 weeks \| weight: 58`103 (100`000 to 1)	[20:38]
TheNewDeal	http://bitbet.us/bet/985/bitcoin-volatility-october-over-300/	[20:38]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin volatility October over $300 :: 0.15 B (46%) on Yes, 0.18 B (54%) on No \| closing in 1 month 1 week\| weight: 42`268 (100`000 to 1)	[20:38]
TheNewDeal	http://bitbet.us/bet/984/bitcoin-volatility-september-over-250/	[20:38]
assbot	BitBet - Bitcoin volatility September over $250 :: 0.21 B (37%) on Yes, 0.36 B (63%) on No \| closing in 1 week 2 days \| weight: 14`417 (100`000 to 1)	[20:38]
TheNewDeal	the only ones which exist right now, not considering the August	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	aha. well... mebbe ? give it a shot see.	[20:39]
BingoBoingo	http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140827065755	[20:42]
assbot	Heads Up: Nginx Removed From Base	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	"On June 22, 1918, four people were arrested and over one hundred waiters taken into custody over the apparent widespread practice of poisoning by waiters in Chicago."	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	dude...	[20:43]
chetty	now they just shoot	[20:44]
asciilifeform	i suppose not everyone could afford the 'chicago typewriter'	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo odd.	[20:45]
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BingoBoingo	Seems Heartbleed gave OpenBSD the full paranoia as well	[20:45]
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TheNewDeal	!up shovel_boss	[20:51]
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shovel_boss	hello mates	[20:52]
shovel_boss	just want to say	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: I was a TA at a pharmacy school for 2 years. Pretty sure anticonvulsants are they way to go, but they vary so much from person to person. << no, he has a point. a woman is ideal but fail that a dog works.	[20:52]
shovel_boss	the system you have here	[20:52]
shovel_boss	with the !up	[20:52]
shovel_boss	is retarded	[20:52]
shovel_boss	it should burn in hell	[20:52]
shovel_boss	thanks	[20:52]
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TheNewDeal	he has moved beyond ass & tities	[20:53]
TheNewDeal	it's amazing	[20:53]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[20:53]
ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[20:53]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 513.06, Best ask: 514.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.94000, Last trade: 513.0, 24 hour volume: 7425.93327263, 24 hour low: 508.28, 24 hour high: 523.09, 24 hour vwap: 515.413574198	[20:53]
Apocalyptic	heh, from the guy who posts [09:13:29] https://twitter.com/shovel_boss/status/504525210222358529	[20:54]
assbot	/hashtag/Aerocoin?src=hash /search?q=%24AERO&src=ctag /hashtag/AERO?src=hash is starting to spike up again,holding ATLEAST 2000 /search?q=%24AEROS&src=ctag right now is a must.There will be an upcoming $15k invesment	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[20:54]
Apocalyptic	he has moved beyond ass & tities // he's now pumping some scamcoins yeah	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	shovel_boss srsly, altcoin scams ? get a job eh.	[20:54]
TheNewDeal	$15k investment. we'kk be rich	[20:54]
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shovel_boss	mircea_popescu, i dont do scams	[20:55]
shovel_boss	i dont buy the coins i do TA on	[20:55]
shovel_boss	and its pretty obvious what i buy	[20:55]
TheNewDeal	shovels...	[20:55]
shovel_boss	i do TA for free and its mediocre	[20:56]
shovel_boss	works +50%	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	"There will be an upcoming $15k invesment"	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	that's not "ta".	[20:56]
shovel_boss	mircea_popescu, look at the volume	[20:56]
shovel_boss	there WAS a 15k investment	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	this is besides the point.	[20:56]
shovel_boss	i go insider info on that one	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	so it's not that "you do ta".	[20:57]
shovel_boss	yes i do	[20:57]
shovel_boss	i rarely reject to do a TA	[20:57]
shovel_boss	i do it for anyone and everyone	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	that's also besides the point.	[20:57]
shovel_boss	im almost all the TA i do i mention what indicators i use	[20:57]
Apocalyptic	mircea, you're speaking to a wall	[20:58]
shovel_boss	esspecialy if someone asks me in the chatroom	[20:58]
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shovel_boss	analytics is real, there are people actually getting paid to do this in the real world	[20:58]
shovel_boss	analysis*	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	said the guy on trial for giving chloral to some dude that died "i just do astrograms. i do them for anything, including your dog if you want. i never refused anyone."	[20:58]
shovel_boss	mircea_popescu, unlike that guy i do it for free	[20:59]
shovel_boss	also you mentioned it was a vanity chan	[20:59]
dignork	shovel_boss \| i go insider info on that one <<< mental note to myself, do not share any info	[20:59]
shovel_boss	i renamed it	[20:59]
shovel_boss	i listen to the comunity	[20:59]
assbot	usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	shovel_boss none of these are cogent points you know.	[20:59]
TheNewDeal	!up usagi	[20:59]
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shovel_boss	mircea_popescu, you do know i only post my TA there as a microvlog	[21:00]
shovel_boss	to keep track of it	[21:00]
usagi	lol	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	!down TheNewDeal	[21:00]
-assbot-	mircea_popescu, you can't do that to TheNewDeal.	[21:00]
shovel_boss	i dont do it for pump and dump	[21:00]
shovel_boss	how can i pump and dump 4 coins each day?	[21:00]
shovel_boss	have you looked at the timeframe that that TA predicts?	[21:00]
shovel_boss	some of them are weeks	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	shovel_boss so you do 4 a day for weeks each, this is no counter.	[21:00]
shovel_boss	mircea_popescu, tell me why what i do is bad	[21:01]
shovel_boss	i already stopped posting my ad here cause i know you will bash it	[21:01]
shovel_boss	looks like youre jealous or something?	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	sigh.	[21:02]
shovel_boss	i dont see how my chan is different than this	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	!down shovel_boss	[21:02]
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TheNewDeal	there will be no !bashing here	[21:02]
ben_vulpes	or was that vulpes << don't know that i ever achieved the kind of skills that an actual machinist can lay claim to, but i've operated the whole standard library in production settings.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	"The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA), as part of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, supports and conducts biomedical and behavioral research on the causes, consequences, treatment, and prevention of alcoholism and alcohol-related problems. The NIAAA functions both as a funding agency that supports research by external research institutions and as a research institution itself, where alco	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	hol research is carried out in‐house. It funds approximately 90 percent of all such research in the United States and promotes reductions in the per capita consumption of alcohol. NIAAA also provides leadership in the national effort to reduce the severe and sometimes fatal consequences of these problems."	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	this counts as science now.	[21:05]
ben_vulpes	i thought vulpes was a blowupitem-ist << also blew some stuff up, also built some "rockets", also designed some components for rockets.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	shit that's 90% produced by a govt agency with a clear agenda, is taken as "science". what the holy shit.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i recently acquired a full set of jungle-grade machine tools, but am no more a machinist than were i to buy violin, would be violinist	[21:05]
TheNewDeal	just watch a youtube and keep your clothing clear, there's not much to basic machining	[21:06]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: but i like to think that i could earn my bread shaving metal one day, if it comes to this	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform hey listen, most singers on mtv don't even own their equipment	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	so i'd say by prevailing marketplace standards you ARE a violinist.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	boeing pilots don't typically own the boeing	[21:07]
asciilifeform	LOL	[21:07]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: how jungle?	[21:07]
ben_vulpes	cnc?	[21:07]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: hand-cranked 'sherlines'	[21:07]
ben_vulpes	nice.	[21:08]
ben_vulpes	oh man	[21:08]
asciilifeform	in terms of cnc, only a small 2d laser	[21:08]
asciilifeform	(had it for a while)	[21:08]
ben_vulpes	best part of building stuff with hand operated tooling is the hard requirement of simple geometric shapes and wide tolerances.	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake: Perhaps using a name that looks "real" would work << you can prolly legally change your name to say Pan K. Kake	[21:09]
ben_vulpes	all the kids i did my m.e. studies with designed stuff with crazy tolerances and absurd geometries - "because the machine can do it"	[21:09]
ben_vulpes	no consideration of programming costs or tooling complexities or anything.	[21:09]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: with simple tools, one can theoretically make everything (with possible exception of lead screws) for nicer set	[21:09]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: 'triangular drills will drill all his square holes!'	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	this self-upgrading thing is fascinating eh asciilifeform ?	[21:10]
ben_vulpes	zero radius corners	[21:10]
ben_vulpes	mhm	[21:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: self-upgrading << the expensive tools - weren't dropped to earth by the gods	[21:11]
ben_vulpes	some things are going to be hard no matter what	[21:11]
ben_vulpes	the races, for example :D	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	really makes the point that there's no "can't", just "won't".	[21:11]
ben_vulpes	jokes aside, the ball bearings in the races are going to be tricky for jungle operators.	[21:11]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: i'm personally interested in (long term) genuinely weird things	[21:12]
asciilifeform	like machines with no lead screws or rails in the ordinary sense	[21:12]
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TheNewDeal	ballscrews can get nasty	[21:13]
ben_vulpes	ballscrews are rad	[21:13]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-02-2014#506252	[21:13]
assbot	Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.	[21:13]
ben_vulpes	i do recall	[21:14]
ben_vulpes	that is weird as fuck	[21:14]
ben_vulpes	but expected	[21:14]
asciilifeform	and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#801776	[21:14]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2014 01:47:41; asciilifeform: i bring up electrolytic machining to explore a point - that tech meant for 'jungle conditions' is a very different field from what is presently dealt with by 'sane' engineers.	[21:14]
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ben_vulpes	my only experience with that sort of stuff is echoes in wafer probe signal lines	[21:14]
ben_vulpes	man	[21:15]
ben_vulpes	that was a complex bit of hardware	[21:15]
asciilifeform	no need for exotica. ever forget to plug in a 'scsi' terminator ?	[21:15]
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ben_vulpes	lol have i ever touched a 'scsi' anything	[21:15]
asciilifeform	echo on impedance mismatch - basic physic	[21:16]
BingoBoingo	ben_vulpes: Aren't you a Mac person, what useful non-scsi thing plugs into a real Mac?	[21:16]
ben_vulpes	BingoBoingo: i'm a nix hacker, i use a mac 'cause its chassis is aluminum	[21:17]
ben_vulpes	SLANDER	[21:17]
*	asciilifeform also owns a mac 'air' for this reason. haven't popped it in a while, even possible that it welded shut	[21:17]
ben_vulpes	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONz6S48QgEk#t=126 << found it	[21:18]
assbot	How It's Made Ball Bearings - YouTube	[21:18]
ben_vulpes	the jungle toolchain involves lots of cold forging too	[21:18]
asciilifeform	more junkyard archaeology than forgin	[21:18]
asciilifeform	g	[21:18]
ben_vulpes	milling's necessary for the forging molds, but forging is inescapable	[21:19]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: pardon?	[21:19]
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TheNewDeal	pops up in the video "bearings are like invisible heroes inside mechanical devices"	[21:19]
ben_vulpes	dumb shit like that's why i mute fab videos	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	^	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	fucking usability freaks make evertyhing sound like it's addressed to 12 yos.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	obnoxious, maleducated 12 yos.	[21:20]
BingoBoingo	Intiendo un poco	[21:20]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo that Deborah Hannay chgick is so totally going to understand what you meant with the kant example.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: what cannot be made (e.g. i've presently no forge) must be unearthed and reshaped.	[21:23]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Maybe the example is to impose the reality upon Hannay that not everyone is her equal, and to accomplish that as rapidly as possible?	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	to quote pesto, "that ain;t gonna work"	[21:25]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: principles are pretty simple. lotsa force, high rigidity.	[21:25]
*	asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things.	[21:26]
ben_vulpes	ibeams, hydraulics, maybe some guides...	[21:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15422 @ 0.00084108 = 12.9711 BTC [-]	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	* asciilifeform ball bearings << was given a large bottle of bearing balls to play with as a boy. beautiful things. << me too. i ate them.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	lol!	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	i also ate ~80% of the glass beads of a chinese chess set	[21:26]
asciilifeform	cracked the shitter ?	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	nope	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	as far as anyone knows i never shat out any of this.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	http://jocuridincopilarie.ro/imagini/jocuri-de-interior/jocuri-pe-tabla-de-joc/sah-chinezesc.jpg << the set in question	[21:28]
ben_vulpes	hm, what's that magnet company the usg's trying to put out of business?	[21:28]
asciilifeform	i suspect we'll all have some amazing mechanical surprises when self-appendectomy time	[21:28]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	tell me how could one not eat those ?	[21:28]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: magnet company << 'bucky-balls'	[21:28]
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ben_vulpes	don't let it staple your intestines together...	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	yeah that shit's dangerous for little mps.	[21:29]
asciilifeform	just don't eat 2+.	[21:29]
asciilifeform	what do american children play with instead of bearing ball. and do i even want to know.	[21:30]
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jurov	URGENT: Seeking child-size degaussing machine	[21:30]
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asciilifeform	jurov: afaik you can only demagnetize NdFeB by heating to 'curie point'	[21:32]
asciilifeform	~300 C...	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	lol jurov	[21:32]
jurov	uh	[21:32]
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chetty	yeah that shit's dangerous for little mps.// well does the world really need (can it stand) little mps	[21:33]
asciilifeform	then again - magnet is small, and will probably reach a momentary 300 if you heat through meat with induction loop	[21:33]
asciilifeform	what's worse for health - pinched gut, or small zap ?	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform cheaper to laparoscopy it away	[21:33]
punkman	derp "usagi: Punkman, #bitcoin-assets is quickly becoming irelevant. The slice is almost too small now. Kind of sad, but I could have told you this would happen."	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	chetty on that subject, socrates is silent.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	'where there is no laparoscope'	[21:33]
asciilifeform	(apologies to 'paladin press''s 'where there is no doctor')	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	where there is no laparoscope there'd better not be feromagnets.	[21:34]
jurov	there's self-appendectomy	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	punkman if the guy has the sense to not publish his own derpage, why would you, you know ?	[21:34]
punkman	o it was in -otc	[21:35]
asciilifeform	i never ate the bearing balls. but these were big. (tank bearings?)	[21:35]
punkman	but yes point taken	[21:35]
asciilifeform	~1cm	[21:36]
asciilifeform	2	[21:36]
TheNewDeal	!s usagi bird	[21:36]
assbot	7 results for 'usagi bird' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=usagi+bird	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	The number of no-knock raids has increased from 3,000 in 1981 to more than 50,000 in 2005, according to Peter Kraska, a criminologist at Eastern Kentucky University in Richmond.	[21:36]
TheNewDeal	obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beA99BVTFJ0	[21:36]
assbot	The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	no data for 2005-2014. what would it be, 750k ?	[21:36]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'no-knock' originated with 'but they'll flush the dope'	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	now it's more or less SOP	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, it's killed more innocent bystanders than the wars in iraq.	[21:37]
asciilifeform	;;google solzhenitsyn axe	[21:37]
gribble	Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : “And how we burned in the ...: ; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: ; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)	[21:37]
assbot	usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5	[21:37]
BingoBoingo	!up usagi	[21:38]
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mircea_popescu	Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street. This tactic led Radley Balko, editor of Reason Magazine, to complain "So not only can you not be sure the people banging down your door at night are the police, not	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	only can you not be sure they’re the police even if they say they’re the police, you can’t even be sure it’s safe to let them in even if they are the police."	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you know, people who live in decent places tend to assume the us is similarly a decent place, and readily forget the sort of rogue shithole it actually is.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police pulled him out of intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.	[21:40]
BingoBoingo	Indeed	[21:41]
asciilifeform	most people in usa will read this and ask 'but was he an untermensch ?' and go back to sleep	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	well, in what sense ?	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	yes, he wasn't a police officer.	[21:42]
asciilifeform	in the sense that wasn't 'office plankton'	[21:42]
chetty	most people in usa will read this and ask 'but was he an untermensch ?' and go back to sleep// who said they were awake to go back to sleep	[21:42]
asciilifeform	(preferably white, but optional)	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: "It's not what you know, it's whom you know" - said no smart person ever. << i've said it.	[21:43]
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mircea_popescu	outside of "whom you know", "what you know" simply reduces to "what you think you know" and nobody got time for that.	[21:43]
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asciilifeform	generally, plankton response is 'this fellow couldn't have been a good upstanding plankton'	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	as far as the police state is concerned, nobody else is good anything. just listen to one of the fuckwits go.	[21:45]
asciilifeform	police state is never wholly the polizei themselves, but also all such that 'it would never do, polite society!' for them to drag out in the night	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	take sunil dutta, the convicted felon who still has a death warrant outstanding on his head.	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	"You don’t know what is in my mind when I stop you"	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	as if anyone gives a flying fuck what's on "his mind". what's he supposed to be, the hive overlord or some shit ?	[21:46]
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xmj	mircea_popescu: it's binary	[21:47]
asciilifeform	sunil << i suppose not every kid from bombay makes his way to solicitor general of new york	[21:47]
xmj	in that context	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im sure they don't.	[21:47]
xmj	so, if you don't know no one OR don't know nothing, either won't help you	[21:47]
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mircea_popescu	xmj i jus' quoted what you said.	[21:48]
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mircea_popescu	not that im proposing ted rubin knows anyone, or is relevant to anything.	[21:49]
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mircea_popescu	eightyeight how did you get that gif drawn ?	[21:52]
xmj	then you're missing the context we discussed earlier	[21:52]
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mircea_popescu	;;gettrust eightyeight	[21:53]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask eightyeight!~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user eightyeight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=eightyeight \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eightyeight \| Rated since: Wed Aug 27 11:48:10 2014	[21:53]
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eightyeight	mircea_popescu: i have a shell script. i can get it for you. one sec	[21:54]
eightyeight	i think there is actually a bug with it. i just haven't had the chance to look at it actually	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	also i dunno if you know http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=8086060F&TO=2FB7B452&PATHS=Find+Trust+Paths+To+Me	[21:55]
assbot	PGP trust paths : Aaron Toponce -> Mircea Popescu	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	penning's stuff	[21:55]
eightyeight	mircea_popescu: http://ae7.st/p/6n2	[21:56]
assbot	Pastebin. » 6n2	[21:56]
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eightyeight	you need gnupg, imagemagick, and graphviz installed	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	got this running on a server anywhere ?	[21:58]
eightyeight	mircea_popescu: i saw your comment on my blog re: my retort to dr. green on his assesment about pgp	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	o that's right, that was your blog	[21:58]
eightyeight	got what running on a server?	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	that fucktard greene ffs.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	the script in question.	[21:58]
eightyeight	i just run it locally when i get new signatures or when i sign new keys	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes hey, how about offering teh interested people a nice drawing of their gpg wot ? they gotta put the address in anyway, you got the dependencies anyway...	[21:59]
eightyeight	depending on the size of your web of trust, it could take a few minutes	[21:59]
eightyeight	and, like i said, it has a bug that was brought to my attention. i just haven't addressed it. maybe i can get to that tonight	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot eightyeight	[21:59]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask eightyeight!~aaron@oalug/member/eightyeight. Trust relationship from user assbot to user eightyeight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=eightyeight \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=eightyeight \| Rated since: Wed Aug 27 11:48:10 2014	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	;;rate eightyeight 1 linux gnu guy..	[22:00]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user eightyeight has been recorded.	[22:00]
eightyeight	sweet. thx. :)	[22:01]
eightyeight	danielpbarron: thx also. :)	[22:01]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/investigation/al-sharpton-764312	[22:01]
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assbot	Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant \| The Smoking Gun	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	ahahahha al sharpton ?!	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	chetty check that shit out.	[22:02]
BingoBoingo	Yup, Sharpton's a stoolie	[22:04]
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eightyeight	mircea_popescu: oh, you also need 'signing-party' installedfor sig2dot(1)	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	aaand action! << lmao smartass :D	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	"As Sarkeesian points out, you may get a mission to hunt down a brutal pimp, but you'll never get a mission to get the hooker he's just beaten to a pulp to the hospital, nor do you unlock achievements by visiting her at a shelter or helping her get re-established elsewhere. These women exist solely to be victimized, so that you can murder the bad guys without any scruple."	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	holy shit what sort of bullshit is this. who wants a MISSION to take battered sluts to the er.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather do my own laundry.	[22:15]
chetty	Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant \| The Smoking Gun// uh, what was ever secret about that?	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	well he denied it all these years.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	"Over the years I have told a number of friends that, if I had had access to a nuclear device when I was in seventh grade, there would be a huge crater in upstate New York centered on what used to be West Seneca Junior High School.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	Had Orson Scott Card’s novel Ender’s Game existed then, I might have been one of its biggest fans. I would have been enraptured by the story of the innocent who is persecuted despite his innocence, perhaps even because of it. The superior child whose virtues are not recognized. The adults who fail to protect. The vicious bullies who get away with their bullying. That was the world as I saw it in seventh grade. "	[22:17]
chetty	jajajajaja	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	bah these kids aren't beaten enough.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	everrrry worthless pencilneck 7yo is "superior" in his own fucktarded brain.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	notwithstanding he sucks at anything and everything. "he's too good for this world"	[22:18]
asciilifeform	where this was dug out ?	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform some fucktarded "commentary" on some pulp sf thing. http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm	[22:19]
assbot	Creating the Innocent Killer	[22:19]
asciilifeform	'if I had had access to a nuclear device when I was in seventh grade' << obligatory >> http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-0232.txt	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	"if i wasn't a snot-nosed worthjless sack of shit back when i was a snot-nosed worthless sack of shit"	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	herpy-derp.	[22:20]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu: CUT!	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	"When passing the ball, you throw gently, so as the other person can	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	catch it. On the other hand, when passing to Fred, you try to break his nose!"	[22:22]
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BingoBoingo	That's ok, because Fred's parents were cockolds and his bull was the NBA star. Fred insists on this treatment to prepare him for handling harried sloppy passes in games that mattter.	[22:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00084456 = 14.3575 BTC [+]	[22:35]
thestringpuller	;;ud pastie white girl	[22:40]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pasties \| pasty. A person with white skin. Not just white, like paper. But whiter! VERY WHITE ... Girl: OMG WHAT IS THAT GLOWING IN THE HALLWAY??? Girl 2: Thats ...	[22:40]
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BingoBoingo	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/27/1921249/dot-proposes-mandating-vehicle-to-vehicle-communications	[22:55]
assbot	DoT Proposes Mandating Vehicle-To-Vehicle Communications - Slashdot	[22:55]
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ben_vulpes	ben_vulpes hey, how about offering teh interested people a nice drawing of their gpg wot ? they gotta put the address in anyway, you got the dependencies anyway... << like i ain't got enough to do with van already	[23:02]
ben_vulpes	but yeah not a bad thing	[23:02]
kakobrekla	srecno	[23:02]
kakobrekla	ctrl -z	[23:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00084456 = 20.6917 BTC [+] {2}	[23:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52188 @ 0.0008429 = 43.9893 BTC [-] {2}	[23:04]
asciilifeform	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/18/2338243/news-aggregator-fark-adds-misogyny-ban << linked from above	[23:04]
assbot	News Aggregator Fark Adds Misogyny Ban - Slashdot	[23:04]
asciilifeform	and, better yet, http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/22/1441200/33-months-in-prison-for-recording-a-movie-in-a-theater	[23:04]
assbot	33 Months In Prison For Recording a Movie In a Theater - Slashdot	[23:05]
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Apocalyptic	BingoBoingo, and to anyone interested, a 30day high, low, volume and vwap is available at https://www.x-bt.com/api/atcbtc/get_ticker_ext	[23:17]
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BingoBoingo	Cool, thanks Apocalyptic	[23:21]
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