Forum logs for 26 Sep 2018

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
mircea_popescu: Mocky that's not terrible. [01:55]
mircea_popescu: can it then "sponsor" you & others ? [01:55]
mircea_popescu: how to establishment sounds pretty good on its own :D [01:59]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-price-of-loyalty-revisited/ << Trilema - The Price of Loyalty, revisited [03:15]
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=29 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/20/2018 [05:22]
mod6: mornin' [10:36]
mod6: Email to btc-dev ML went through for the excise hash trunctation + manifest.txt: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-September/000311.html [10:37]
mod6: Thanks jurov! [10:37]
Mocky: good morning mod6 [10:37]
Mocky: feeling any better from your car crash? [10:40]
mod6: morning Mocky! Yeah, thanks for asking. Still have some lower-back pain, but otherwise, feeling good. [10:42]
mod6: I figure the back pain will be better once the bruising is gone. [10:42]
Mocky: yeah, may take a while [10:48]
mod6: Lords and Ladies: Please let me know if you have any updates to the list of Advertised Republican Nodes. [10:51]
BingoBoingo: Mornin' [11:20]
* BingoBoingo elbow deep in envirorast asshole [11:21]
mod6: mornin' BingoBoingo [11:34]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-26-sep-2018#2478359 << elbow-deep in lxs ninxs anus now and again is a great contribution to republican value! [11:38]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 15:21 BingoBoingo elbow deep in envirorast asshole [11:38]
BingoBoingo: I figure if I can stuff a couple scuffed up dice in the appendix, it's all over for them in less than a month [11:39]
mircea_popescu: heh [11:42]
Mocky: mircea_popescu, this first step of Commercial Registration gives trade name, ability to open corp bank acct, accept customer payments, purchase company assets. In addition to small fees there's an annual fee of ~400 to 2000 USD per declared business activity, each activity has its own fee. This process appears to be quick and easy. [11:48]
mircea_popescu: aha. but can you sponsor foreignlings ? or absence from enum as meaningful as presence ? [11:48]
Mocky: next step would be a Trade License which requires lease of physical location and inspction of same. third step of filing with immigration service requires both 1 and 2, and at that point only can hire employees and issue residence permits and sponsor foreigners [11:51]
BingoBoingo: Mocky next step would be a Trade License which requires lease of physical location and inspction of same. << What are the Coworks like over there? [11:54]
Mocky: step 2 seems paperwork heavy for both company and real estate leasers plus ~4 week wait on inspector [11:54]
Mocky: BingoBoingo, i see a handful, mainly in sky scrapers, 9 to 5ish hours. havent' found pricing yet [11:56]
mircea_popescu: in argentina the "inspection" consisted of girly from the local tax office following me to the place. i unlocked, she was like "ah, ok" i was like wut ? come inside, have a drink, walked all thios way. [11:56]
mircea_popescu: she was liek "no, really, all i must do is see you have the keys" [11:56]
BingoBoingo: No 24/7 places? Where are you supposed to take hostel chicks? [11:56]
asciilifeform: Mocky: what are prices like in arabistan, anyway... many 0s? few ? [11:57]
mircea_popescu: well he's not there yet! [11:57]
mircea_popescu: or wait. you landed ?! [11:57]
Mocky: no not yet! [11:57]
* mircea_popescu thought we're still 2weeks awya from the momentuous event [11:57]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: recall, it's the place where 9 in 10 is a d00d, and the chix are in gynecaeum and dun see daylight. supposedly, at least. [11:57]
asciilifeform: ah [11:57]
mircea_popescu: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/media.html << just reading this makes one fucking hate linux. wtf bs! [11:58]
Mocky: re inspection: i think they just want to see the place is real, has proper signage and has some necessary plackard posted on interior [11:58]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All the more important to have an action plan for what to do with the ones he does find [11:58]
mircea_popescu: Mocky in most of yurp a fine solution is to go into countryside, buy ye olde farmhouse, huge space no problems. [11:59]
mircea_popescu: not sure in qatar, but really this is the sorta thing gotta be evaluated on ground. [11:59]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol they renamed 'mnt' ? [11:59]
mircea_popescu: nono [11:59]
mircea_popescu: mnt is for "temporary". because i have permanent mounts! [11:59]
mircea_popescu: and /media is so that the whole /cdrom /cdrecorder /cdfutipemata don't overwhelm / [12:00]
asciilifeform: who the fuq has a permanently affixed cdrom nao [12:00]
mircea_popescu: (in practice - /media exists because i want to mount d /media/cdlabel rather than mount d /mnt/64randomchars) [12:00]
Mocky: the step one stuff is well documented, the steps 2 & 3 are not and my current info is gleaned from 5 diff reports by foreigners. situation on the gorund could be different [12:00]
mircea_popescu: but the FUCKING SOLUTION would have been to make mnt labels work properly. [12:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think i've ever mounted a disk by label [12:01]
mircea_popescu: why not ? [12:01]
asciilifeform: only ever mount /dev/sdx /mnt/blah ... [12:01]
asciilifeform: cuz how the fuck i know what is its label if i pulled it out of 20yo binder [12:01]
asciilifeform: or am i missing sumthing [12:01]
mircea_popescu: yes, but dosbox can't check the mount point [12:01]
mircea_popescu: so mount d "/media/Heroes II" works well [12:02]
mircea_popescu: whereas mount d /mnt/fg4jk43h5kj43hjkfjkerwhfkjrehkjerw takes a while [12:02]
asciilifeform: hm, dun recall ever trying dosbox on physical disks [12:02]
mircea_popescu: yeswell! [12:02]
mircea_popescu: it's not particularly useful, "mp just make an iso". but it is a great thing when what you're doing is sitting there going, "look, this, this is then." [12:03]
mircea_popescu: i suppose similar to why parade officer uniform still has hat. [12:03]
asciilifeform: i'd make iso. cuz of all the things i miss about physical dos boxen, sitting for 25min and listening to bzz-whzzik aint one of'em [12:03]
mircea_popescu: BUT IT WAS THE EXPERIENCE [12:03]
asciilifeform: lol [12:04]
mircea_popescu: besides, drive just read once, kept the 50mb or so in memory by all appearances. [12:04]
asciilifeform: lemme know when it is time to ship to mircea_popescu the trinitron. [12:04]
asciilifeform: ( i've got a few ) [12:04]
mircea_popescu: noty, the (very nice, btw!) screen on the hp envy was part of ~the other part~ of the experience. [12:04]
Mocky: asciilifeform, reports are that cost of living there is in same ballpark as US UK, with the exception that housing prices continue drop as gulf states embargo continues [12:05]
asciilifeform: does it evenly cut pixelwise into vga ? [12:05]
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do you recall right off how to force dosbox into fullscreen-scaled-up rather than alt enter full screen "here's some black margin" ? [12:05]
asciilifeform: Mocky: sounds promising [12:05]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alt-enter iirc [12:05]
mircea_popescu: no, se... [12:05]
mircea_popescu: you end up with a postcard. i want it full screen for reals. [12:05]
asciilifeform: there's a fancy-scaling thing, iirc -scaler sumthing , https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Scaler seems to have the goods [12:06]
mircea_popescu: a ty [12:07]
mircea_popescu: 2xsai ftw [12:08]
asciilifeform: if only somebody still made lappies in godly 4:3 display [12:09]
mircea_popescu: ikr. [12:09]
mircea_popescu: "oh noes, customers have come to expect bartv!" [12:09]
asciilifeform: wat's in that hp, anyway ? led panel ? [12:10]
asciilifeform: ( and lol was it that one where you gotta set lamp brightness while it boots ) [12:13]
mircea_popescu: nah, different. [12:14]
asciilifeform: aa [12:14]
asciilifeform: a ha that was 'hp envoy' not 'envy', wasntit. [12:15]
asciilifeform: ( such 'imaginative' model names... ) [12:15]
mircea_popescu: no, that was ugh. hang on, i can only look one at a time [12:17]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 44cm "infinity", led thing [12:19]
mircea_popescu: aaaand nope, scaler dun do anything / still postcard [12:22]
mircea_popescu: ok, figured it out. /me shall add to the article. [12:30]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "black chix grauduate", https://image.ibb.co/fboGsU/grauduation.png [13:35]
asciilifeform: holyfuqwat [13:36]
mircea_popescu: i expect ged. [13:36]
asciilifeform: or! phd! in studies-studies... [13:37]
mircea_popescu: ~same differenece. [13:37]
asciilifeform: and is that a mermaid tattoo [13:37]
mircea_popescu: i think mermaid is classist and opressive of people of submissive sexual orientation. [13:38]
mircea_popescu: the politically correct term is merwhale. [13:38]
asciilifeform: reminds me of a 1890s brit caricature i once saw, where 'esteemed gentleman's beagle has died, and he took it to 2 taxidermists...', one cheapskate, who offered him just skeleton with sock on it, other who used air pump, offered doglike baloon, with the phrase 'human strength can stuff it no further!' caption [13:39]
mircea_popescu: this sounds like america. [13:40]
asciilifeform: it's exactly [13:40]
asciilifeform: the twist, is that ~can~ stuff it further, i've seen with own eyes even fatter specimens [13:40]
asciilifeform: that one at least stands on legs [13:40]
mircea_popescu: teenager yet. [13:41]
asciilifeform: quite a few cannot. BingoBoingo has the full detail... [13:41]
mircea_popescu: but yes, good african stock will manage perfect sphere. [13:41]
asciilifeform: i have personally seen this. [13:41]
asciilifeform: and wondered why they even keep their legs, could snip'em off, improve circulation... [13:41]
mircea_popescu: possibly because medicare dun cover it. [13:42]
asciilifeform: i expect obummer II will fix this. [13:42]
mircea_popescu: i... don't. [13:42]
asciilifeform: eh amputations cheap. [13:42]
mircea_popescu: not if you want to improve circulationm lol, gotta plug the vessels. [13:43]
asciilifeform: hot iron [13:43]
mircea_popescu: lol. aaanyways. [13:44]
* asciilifeform is lowtech fella with lowtech ideas... [13:44]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> not if you want to improve circulationm lol, gotta plug the vessels. << Pressure sensitive check valve which leaks if they roll into unapproved positions. [14:12]
asciilifeform: ohai BingoBoingo [14:26]
asciilifeform: how's orc paper hell [14:26]
BingoBoingo: Orc paper hell is orc paper hell, but once this bitch gets digested it seems like it will open up slow boating piles of shit in from China when Pizarro grows to the point we can use that. [14:28]
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=30 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/21/2018 [14:39]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/anti-trump-wop-trolled-into-championing-fake-accuser-troll-job-then-exposed/ << Qntra - Anti-Trump Wop Trolled Into Championing Fake Accuser, Troll Job Then Exposed [14:39]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not [14:45]
asciilifeform: because gotta get spare disks to rk plant soon. [14:45]
asciilifeform: one way or other. [14:45]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree mind moving it though to keccak? [14:46]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what's the fastest way to do this ? ( i.e. do you recall whether phf published his converter ? or do i gotta crank it manually ) [14:47]
diana_coman: I'm also not sure re naming convention for patches as I thought it was to use "_" ? i.e. why is the errata named udp_errata.asciilifeform? [14:47]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not aware of a converter but pinging phf to correct me if I'm wrong [14:48]
asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody ) [14:48]
asciilifeform: i'ma wait an' see what mircea_popescu says re subj [14:49]
asciilifeform: i.e. a proper close of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851882 thrd [14:49]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:48 mircea_popescu: because it fragments the sensata-perceptible identity of the v. [14:49]
diana_coman: out of curiosity: why "asciilifeform_keccak" rather than "keccak"? [14:50]
diana_coman: or whatever, "keccakhash" [14:50]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform delete sha patches then. [14:50]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trb is 100% sha currently [14:50]
asciilifeform: as is 9000 other items [14:50]
mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't tyell you to take the insane stance merely the necessary result thereof. [14:50]
asciilifeform: i ain't about to keep arj files on my box that are actually zip eithe [14:51]
asciilifeform: r [14:51]
asciilifeform: ~this~ -- insanity. [14:51]
mircea_popescu: so delete them, then. [14:52]
mircea_popescu: for all i know .zip is "this truly ancient and obscure format for publishing toothpicks". da fuck i care. [14:52]
mircea_popescu: im not about to call zips .zip-not-toothpicks instead. [14:53]
asciilifeform: so i take it it's going in the names. [14:53]
mircea_popescu: if you must. it'll look retarded, esp after a time passes, but nothing regrinds won't fix anyway. [14:54]
asciilifeform: you dun need regrind to rename files [14:54]
asciilifeform: gpg doesn't sign names. [14:54]
asciilifeform: (patch files, that is ) [14:54]
mircea_popescu: not "to rename files". as time passes, regrinds happen nonsensical nym-bs won't carry. [14:54]
asciilifeform: theoretically mircea_popescu and errybody can rename patches to be anyffing at all [14:54]
asciilifeform: ( so long as also rename the seal ) [14:55]
asciilifeform: at least in the old vtrons ( i have not yet read the new one fully ) [14:55]
asciilifeform: the only hard req was that seal name match the sealed payload [14:55]
mircea_popescu: the things that end up discussed as a result of "wouldja publish proper tree so others can patch on it already" [14:56]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma bake a new-style set and post closer to nightfall, currently boiling in cauldron of liquishit [14:56]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, works publishing code is anyway good excuse for another review, so it'll take me some time too anyway [14:59]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you'd rather proceed immediately, and generate a newstyle tree, i'ma read it and sign also. [15:00]
asciilifeform: it is such a small proggy, that this is not mega-pain [15:00]
asciilifeform: ( maybe the smallest item i've genesis'd to date ) [15:01]
diana_coman: as said above: it can certainly wait 24 hours and preserve history, what and anyway, the tester part I see more as a branch only, because of the modifications required for testing purpose only (e.g. making the udp generic) [15:02]
asciilifeform: ok [15:02]
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not << At this point I am waiting for confirmation on my theory of the problem. I have identified the proper trámite and paper work it requires. If I am right in this theory other than my time, this will require a cross town bus ride to inconveniently located office to show papers and sign other papers swearing [15:37]
BingoBoingo: things. For its part however DINAMA will not be collecting a fee for its part in registering the business of me as an importer exempt from producing a waste management plan. [15:37]
BingoBoingo: In this case the only motherfucking wop bastard seeing pesos in the execution of the rescue is the bus driver. [15:39]
BingoBoingo: And irony of ironies, confirmation just arrived. [15:44]
BingoBoingo: Tonight I am checking and printing paperwork, tomorrow catching a bus and registering as an importer [15:48]
mod6: nice [15:48]
mod6: thanks BingoBoingo [15:48]
BingoBoingo: Still going to look for a copy of Dr. Tristan Narvaja's Código Civil de la República Oriental del Uruguay at the feria named for the fellow [15:50]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty for the update [16:02]
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 , phf , et al : is the 'canonical' (i.e. most recent usable) oldv-tree of newstyle-v the one on phf's www ? [16:04]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option [16:05]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes [16:07]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ ? [16:07]
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, that one [16:08]
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty, was all i needed [16:08]
diana_coman: yw [16:08]
phf: asciilifeform: fyi if you're using your own v, you would want to remove vtools_vdiff_sha, vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc and vdiff_sha_static patches from patchset, because your v will get confused [16:10]
asciilifeform: phf: noted, ty [16:11]
phf: i just got aarch gnat operational yesterday, so i'll republish it as a single tree anyway, but as of right now i think only esthlos's v does the fancy graph resolution [16:12]
mod6: <+diana_coman> asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes << I'm a bit confused too. I'm still using my vtron. [16:25]
mod6: mine does not do the graph-resolution as proposed by phf & esthlos. [16:26]
asciilifeform: mod6: i've been using my orig vtron all this time. but recently diana_coman & mircea_popescu prodded, 'what's yer excuse for not moved to modern keccak-v' and i had no good counter, it's really time, so nao gotta actually uncrate phf's and make it go [16:36]
asciilifeform: really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life [16:37]
asciilifeform: ( for that matter , i could use standalone keccaktron also, but dun recall whether we have one or it needs baking ) [16:38]
phf: asciilifeform: i have one, i use it for testing, but it's not particularly kosher, e.g. it uses Argument/Argument_Count etc. i'll post it in a bit, maybe you can rework it on your bench [17:40]
phf: theoretically one could just wire it into existing infra instead of sha512sum, get all the keccaking for free [17:41]
asciilifeform: phf: i'm not especially attached to my ancient v, it suffered from several obvious sharp edges [17:47]
asciilifeform: would rather switch wholesale to phf's, since it apparently performs to satisfaction of diana_coman [17:47]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854782 << i like his spirit lol [17:52]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 20:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option [17:52]
asciilifeform: i'ma be quite impressed if he wrestles that crate from orchell [17:53]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854794 << this frog has been boiling for a while, hanbot had to redo genesis in like mayu [17:54]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 20:37 asciilifeform: really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life [17:54]
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854738 << why not put it in manifest? [17:56]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 18:48 asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody ) [17:56]
asciilifeform: hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851865 << thread [17:57]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right now asciilifeform , diana_coman , errybody, has buncha vdiff laying around, not only on www but on own disks, and serious problem if gotta stab at it by hand erry time to see which it is. [17:57]
asciilifeform: tho possibly this was resolved, iirc phf's tool is able to eat old patches (with warning bell) [17:57]
asciilifeform: will see tonight [17:57]
mircea_popescu: and you can't put "this is keccak" in manifest because it has to get into the manifest through being in the filename, rather than just in the comment line ? [17:57]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly (see above) this is imagined headache, i'ma see [17:58]
asciilifeform: ideally i simply switch vtron to phf's and it's omnivorous. [17:58]
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854699 << my favorite part of that cakewrecks site was all the "happy garaudashun!" cakes. [17:58]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 17:35 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "black chix grauduate", https://image.ibb.co/fboGsU/grauduation.png [17:58]
mircea_popescu: heh [17:58]
hanbot: they'd put all this effort into elaborate cakes, fancy roses etc, but spelling is difficult, and looking shit up is too much effort. [17:58]
hanbot: i guess words are hard buttercream is tasty. [17:59]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype [18:00]
asciilifeform: unlike some folx (as late as '16 some confessed to git ) asciilifeform does not use heathen versiontrons internally, strictly 100% v from aug '15 [18:01]
hanbot: asciilifeform perhaps this is an idiotic q, but why can't you use dir names/structures to distinguish "on sight"? [18:02]
asciilifeform: hanbot: cuz 9000 existing trees. [18:02]
mircea_popescu: thinking about this... i guess this, THIS is actually the very substantial difference. "words shouldn't be able to break my bones", ie, have any effect AT ALL. "here i am, and here's the ass, and the hole in it it works as it works and what do you mean contracts ?" readily unites http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853128 with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-153.473-153.587 "abstract pri [18:02]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 18:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema spelunkology, anyone recall http://trilema.com/2013/ive-found-her/ ? [18:02]
mircea_popescu: nciples (ie, words) over people themselves!!" as well as http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ etc. [18:02]
asciilifeform: hanbot: and i haven't got a stable of slaves to sit down and convert'em [18:02]
mircea_popescu: the implication is simply -- "i do not need words for anything and why should you". [18:02]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not a crime, you just have very bizarre approaches to interfacing, is all. [18:03]
hanbot: mircea_popescu quite. you oughta simply infer the meaning from its context! gargauntuation day! [18:04]
mircea_popescu: hahaha [18:04]
mircea_popescu: or rather, "she has rights", which means, no matter what the words say, if she dun like it the morning after "she was raped" and incamom will make it right [18:04]
asciilifeform: 'what do you mean, contracts' << recall hanbot's tale ! [18:04]
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i am working on piece re the necessary benefits of uniting with africa. guy in 1850s intuited quite exacrtly this, "well... animals don't need most of what interests you for anything" [18:05]
asciilifeform: ( iirc hanbot's Dark Fyootoor Where Only War (tm) had planetary divide b/w 2 factions, 1 who believed in contract and other - not ) [18:05]
hanbot: pretty much. i can see contracts mapping to rights as mouthed by they with no conception of what rights mean neatly. [18:10]
mircea_popescu: but how far this goes is breathtaking -- consider, luminaries such as tlp, at the edges arguing exactly that, "words shouldn't have power" ie http://trilema.com/2015/that-unpleasant-moment-when-principles-you-were-supporting-strictly-because-of-the-principle-of-the-thing-and-pointedly-not-because-of-the-convenient-manner-in-which-they-worked-upon-a-restr/#selection-89.0-89.50 [18:11]
asciilifeform: oh hey dairy farm [18:11]
mircea_popescu: the more i think of it, the more i believe this to be the correct formulation. it's not merely, or specifically "me -- hither herd -- thither". it is quite specifically, and all-importantly : do words rule your worlds ? or do you expect "your world" to overpower my words ? [18:12]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall also 'the progre could not master speech' [18:15]
mircea_popescu: THAT is the underlying, "Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used." in http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#footnote_2_59725 that's WHAT "color of bits" is all about. [18:16]
asciilifeform: !#s progre [18:16]
a111: 37 results for "progre", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=progre [18:16]
mircea_popescu: the entire echafaudage of pantsuit is, in last examination, not so much an attempt to protect "the indolent from the active", nor (as separately seen), a guarantee to impotence for "ecology". but rather, jointly and singularly, pantsuitism is an attempt to protect the world from words. [18:17]
mircea_popescu: from end to end, this, the same stable this. from "i can not read this book, the words contradict" "psychopath!" to all the way, it's all the same fucking problem : programmable machine or boulder ? [18:18]
mircea_popescu: hanbot quite the fucking "inconsequential side comment" you got there! [18:19]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all pantsuit 'philosophy' in the end resolves to 'you say you have brain, but we have BIGGER BOULDER haha' [18:19]
asciilifeform: the 1 thing they've got, is an inexhaustible supply of idjits slinging boulders. [18:20]
mircea_popescu: as the garudushu.jpg clearly proves. [18:21]
mircea_popescu: i never saw brain that size before! [18:21]
mircea_popescu: so does the kuiper belt. [18:21]
mircea_popescu: gargauntuation day! << can't read that as simply "gargantuan" without "unction" squeezing its way in there. ewgh. [18:21]
hanbot: perhaps the bs was in crisco networking? [18:23]
asciilifeform: ahahahaha [18:23]
asciilifeform: btw hanbot didja know there is a 'sysco' [18:24]
mircea_popescu: jesus [18:24]
asciilifeform: and makes exactly this [18:24]
hanbot: asciilifeform the phud service item? i've seen the trucks, at least [18:24]
asciilifeform: aha, them. they supply the pig slop served in ameri-'food' [18:24]
asciilifeform: i could've sworn there was a mircea_popescu piece re subj [18:25]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform after the girls saw http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/ they identified sysco as the tricatel item, it's a constant butt of jokes. [18:25]
asciilifeform: yea i'd expect it'd be a subchapter of some foreign thing [18:26]
asciilifeform: pretty much 100% of profit centres in gringolandia, at this point, are [18:26]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/occasional-didscourse-on-the-negro-question-1849/ << Trilema - Occasional Didscourse On The Negro Question, 1849 [20:00]
mircea_popescu: aaahjahahaha. [20:00]
mircea_popescu: after all the grauduation stuff, DIDSCOURSE! [20:00]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/occasional-discourse-on-the-negro-question-1849/ << Trilema - Occasional Discourse On The Negro Question, 1849 [20:01]
hanbot: didscourse and didn'tscourse! [20:04]
mod6: lol xxiii [21:01]
mircea_popescu: :D [21:02]
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf are http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ old-style or new-style vpatches ?? my vtron won't press'em, and there is no way to distinguish , nor anything in the post to indicate, unless i'm thick [21:23]
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [21:23]
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf nm, distinguished by hand... but my vtron doesn't verify the sigs (not immediately sure why) and mod6's -- sees only Leaf: vtools_vpatch_newline.vpatch (phf) [21:27]
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [21:27]
asciilifeform: and yes i separated out the sha patches. [21:27]
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al -- plox to reveal what you pressed this tree with , thx [21:28]
asciilifeform: i'd like to press this thing and put it in service already... [21:29]
asciilifeform: ftr i tried mod6's 'Version: 99994 K', and my old workhorse v100. [21:31]
mod6: 99993 is latest [21:32]
asciilifeform: mod6: thing says '99994 K' in there. [21:32]
mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz << >> http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20180222.tar.gz.mod6.sig [21:33]
mod6: anyway, it's been a while, so I don't know for sure, but if memory serves, I believe his vtree is incompatible with my vtron, on the whole. [21:34]
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/v_noworky.tar.gz << the complete tarball with both variants, patches, seals, .wot, my attempt thus far. [21:34]
mod6: one has to, again, if i remember correctly, remove some of the vpatches from the "right" side. or something to that effect, to press successfull.y [21:34]
asciilifeform: mod6: whose ~is~ it compat with ?! [21:34]
asciilifeform: yes i read the note, to remove the sha branch. did it. [21:34]
asciilifeform: still nodice. [21:34]
mod6: im not positive, although, I think another troublesome one was hanbot's wp-mp, which BingoBoingo used esthlos' to press. i think. [21:35]
mod6: BingoBoingo: is this right ^? [21:35]
asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick, and didn't shuffle correctly, or wat. phf can i persuade you to give a working recipe ?? [21:36]
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, i dunno, it's been a while. i don't have time to tinker with it at the moment, gearing up for month end here. [21:36]
asciilifeform: mod6: i sat down and resolved to give diana_coman the promised item, but presently loox like won't happen tonight [21:36]
asciilifeform: unless i made an elementary mistake and somebody tells me what it was [21:37]
mod6: Ok. What are we trying to do here? Just build vtools? [21:37]
asciilifeform: aha! [21:38]
asciilifeform: that very same. [21:38]
mod6: lemme see [21:38]
BingoBoingo: mod6: iirc, buried in open tabs and notes on the import matter [21:41]
mod6: Oh yeah, did we ever post that somewhere? [21:41]
asciilifeform: this thing is supposedly battlefield-ready, but presently loox to me like a ball of yarn for which no working build instruction is posted anywhere [21:42]
mod6: so... is the goal here to build the sha256 stuff, or the keccak stuff? [21:45]
asciilifeform: keccak!! [21:45]
asciilifeform: y'know, thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854734 [21:45]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 18:46 diana_coman: asciilifeform, udp tester seems to be nicely running uk->uy and uy->uk so my next step on this will be to publish all the relevant code since this is effectively on top of udplib, I'd patch it on your tree mind moving it though to keccak? [21:45]
mod6: aha, ok. in the past, i've alwasys built the sha256 stuff for my own purposes. let's see if i can get the keccak stuff build. [21:45]
mod6: (I was just double checking here as to not waste time.) [21:46]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu & diana_coman specifically asked asciilifeform to rebake udp proggy in keccak. [21:46]
asciilifeform: for this, need keccak vtron. presently i dun have one. [21:46]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if i'm not mistaken, you built and used this thing? with what didja do it ? [21:51]
asciilifeform: loox like the matter may have to wait until the folx with working keccaktrons wake up and tell me what i'm missing. [21:53]
* asciilifeform bbl,meat [21:54]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I used the esthlos thing. [21:54]
trinque: does it now properly verify hashes? [22:03]
mod6: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EItV0/?raw=true [22:06]
mod6: I took your tarball, dumped in the latest version of my vtron, dropped in the .wot (phf) and seals from what I had in my sandbox previously. [22:07]
mod6: I used your patches, there are 8 of them, and I was able to press this fine. [22:07]
mod6: but I only ended up with a 'vdiff' binary (maybe this is correct?) [22:08]
mod6: the full vtree (with sha vpatches) totals 11. so ya, you must have removed them. [22:08]
mod6: Alright, I guess the makefile doesn't build the vpatch binary by default, so I built it manually: [22:10]
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ks4z7/?raw=true [22:10]
mod6: lol, I don't know how to make it do stuff either, but I guess that's a different problem :] [22:11]
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854912 << I plan to integrate Keccak into the thing this weekend. At that point it should be fully operational. [22:27]
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 02:03 trinque: does it now properly verify hashes? [22:27]
trinque: fucking awesome. [22:27]
trinque: obviously I want such a vtron for the cuntoo final cut, or what's the use of the build process producing a vpatch [22:28]
BingoBoingo: <trinque> does it now properly verify hashes? << I am still at the point where I hand read input, patch, and output [23:22]
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