Forum logs for 26 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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punkman !up Darkstone1 [00:00]
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Darkstone1 I don't do voice, sorry. [00:01]
Darkstone1 can i ask you guys a question? I have an relatively succesfull trading bot (multi-digit bitcoin gain since the beginning of this year) but i an starting to lose intrest in further development. [00:02]
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Darkstone1 I'm strugging in what the best way to 'commercialize' this thing is. [00:02]
mike_c if it works.. run it? [00:02]
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Darkstone1 it certainly works, but as i said, i'm starting to lose intrest in further development. And i have a full-time job to attend to. [00:03]
rithm Darkstone1 find VC's to fund your new bitcoin trading exchange [00:05]
Darkstone1 One of the questions i've been unable to answer is weither should sell the source code or only the product. [00:05]
Darkstone1 it's not an exchange, its an trading bot. [00:05]
rithm Darkstone1, wite the whole thing yourself in PHP and release it to the world in production! [00:05]
diametric public trade bots are worthless. [00:06]
BingoBoingo ^ [00:06]
Darkstone1 it's written in c++ with Qt. [00:06]
punkman well you can't really sell it without source [00:06]
diametric and i'd never run a trade bot i couldn't inspect the source for. [00:06]
rithm the source and the math of the engine is what is worth buying [00:06]
rithm if anything [00:06]
punkman maybe to some noobs with bitcents running Windows [00:06]
Darkstone1 that i you shouldn't buy anything that you can't inspect the source for i can certainly agree with. [00:07]
Darkstone1 but my parther thinks that selling the thing with source code is useless. [00:07]
Darkstone1 it will just end up somewhere in the internet next week. [00:07]
mircea_popescu im just approximating here. << heh [00:07]
punkman Darkstone1, that's where the WoT helps [00:08]
mike_c the only thing worthwhile is the automation. make it easy for non-programmers to put in their own methodologies. [00:08]
mike_c sell to suckers, profit. [00:08]
BingoBoingo can i ask you guys a question? I have an relatively succesfull trading bot (multi-digit bitcoin gain since the beginning of this year) but i an starting to lose intrest in further development. << Sounds like keeping it in your pocket until it interests you again may be the best option [00:08]
mircea_popescu * asciilifeform is just unendingly entertained that вредители are allowed to not only keep living, but contributing code to whatever. <<< not quite whatever. currently the fashionable idiocies du jour still hold currency with the crowd, that "not the man, but what he's saying" and "we're all equal" and similar socialisms. they won't last the evening. [00:08]
Darkstone1 I think there are too many -bad- platforms where people can put in their own stratety already. [00:09]
mircea_popescu 20 year old bug, good luck figuring out author. <<< right, because nothing ever can be documented past the lifespan of the average teenager. [00:09]
Darkstone1 perhaps opinions of the masses differ.. but there is no way i'm going to insert my API keys in an online platform. [00:10]
mike_c hm, i suppose the average teenager is.. 16? [00:10]
mircea_popescu we know the name of the rose verse to come from bernardo of cluny, 1000 years ago. but keeping track who shat in the repos is too hard over two decades. [00:10]
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mircea_popescu this entire shitfest won't survive me i tellya! [00:10]
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mike_c ;;calc (13 + 14 + 15 + 16 + 17 + 18 + 19) / 7 [00:10]
gribble 16 [00:10]
mike_c woot! [00:10]
mircea_popescu not equating the two, just saying similar tone. << we are kinda inhaviting a cartoon world atm [00:10]
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punkman Darkstone1: yeah I doubt any of the hosted tradebots handle integer BTC amounts [00:11]
mircea_popescu but my parther thinks that selling the thing with source code is useless. << so let the partner run it' [00:11]
RagnarDanneskjol speaking of https://github.com/orisi/orisi/issues/85 [00:12]
assbot Call for Oracle hosts Issue #85 orisi/orisi GitHub [00:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3102 @ 0.00074933 = 2.3244 BTC [-] [00:12]
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mircea_popescu mike_c well yeah, almost 16, something [00:12]
Darkstone1 punkpan: i use doubles. It's bad, i know. But it does not really matter as most exchanges send you the amounts in json floats anyway.. [00:12]
mircea_popescu sigh. [00:13]
punkman Darkstone1: no I just meant they'll never get to handle any serious amount of BTC [00:13]
Darkstone1 oh. I'm not so sure. [00:14]
Darkstone1 for example we have cryptotrader. [00:14]
Darkstone1 which costs $40 a month. [00:15]
Darkstone1 (totaly idiotic platform by the way...) [00:15]
Darkstone1 wait a sec. [00:15]
assbot berndj-blackout +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 [00:15]
mircea_popescu !up berndj-blackout [00:15]
Darkstone1 10 dollars a month. [00:15]
-assbot- You voiced berndj-blackout for 30 minutes. [00:15]
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Darkstone1 i dont think anyone would pay 10 dollars a month to trade pennies. [00:16]
berndj-blackout thanks mircea_popescu - just figuring out the cloak&dagger stuff :) [00:16]
mircea_popescu you need to be in assbot's l2 wot to selfvoice here. [00:16]
berndj-blackout ah, i see, i'm too random i suppose [00:17]
fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/BPGsKbc.jpg [00:17]
mircea_popescu Darkstone1 i paid 10 dollars a month numerous times to trade pennies in online games [00:17]
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asciilifeform diametric: public trade bots are worthless << not only this; but any bot whose strategy is exactly known to others - is useless. [00:17]
mircea_popescu if what the delusion of being a "trader" costs is 10 bucks, plenty of takers. [00:17]
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fluffypony same as the delusion of being an "investor" [00:18]
asciilifeform (in fact, i suspect that any bot whose strategy is not a game-theoretical-finesse-rape of other bots - is quite useless) [00:18]
fluffypony especially people who think they've "invested" in a cryptocurrency because they bought some [00:18]
Darkstone1 i consider myself a neobee invector :P [00:18]
diametric neobee.. [00:18]
fluffypony lol [00:18]
mircea_popescu fluffypony speaking of hard reset : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teV8-IGhSt8 [00:18]
Darkstone1 at least i was. [00:18]
assbot RObotzi.S01.Ep2.Defect - YouTube [00:18]
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fluffypony mircea_popescu: are their English subs on that one at least? [00:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well marketing is game theoretical finesse rape of other bots. except for some reason other bots insist on calling them people. [00:19]
mircea_popescu fluffypony just the video :D [00:19]
mircea_popescu ;;ident berndj-blackout [00:19]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'berndj-blackout', with hostmask 'berndj-blackout!~berndj@azna.co.za', is identified as user 'berndj', with GPG key id FAC02779DEC0DED1, key fingerprint BCB3F00CB5A64A16A31EFCE6FAC02779DEC0DED1, and bitcoin address None [00:19]
ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> "what means safe" "what means healthy" /// such a semantic day! [00:20]
Darkstone1 asciilifeform: i can partialy agree on that. But if i do not have an game-theory fitness ass raping bot. I tried but failed. [00:21]
mircea_popescu what do you mean by that ? [00:21]
asciilifeform consider an elementary case [00:21]
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mircea_popescu Darkstone1 http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/ read that try again ? [00:21]
asciilifeform where you know that opponents are running, e.g., simple arbitrage bots, but each has a 'stop-loss' threshold [00:21]
assbot The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [00:21]
asciilifeform and you know what the thresholds are [00:21]
Darkstone1 *again*? no thank you, already read it. [00:22]
asciilifeform then you can, if your 'hammer' (ability to move price) is large enough, manipulate. [00:22]
kakobrekla i see this everyday - what ascii is describing [00:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you might not be the only one. [00:22]
mircea_popescu Darkstone1 a okay then [00:22]
kakobrekla (or maybe im just imagining) [00:22]
Darkstone1 And i am not an neobee bagholder. I sold everything after the crash and gained +50%. [00:22]
asciilifeform in fact, even if you do not know the actual strategies - you can discover the system's 'resonances' by repeated hammer blows. [00:22]
mircea_popescu Darkstone1 the point was, "how to build gt finesse bots" [00:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform works especially well if you're too big to fail, thoo. [00:23]
asciilifeform and yes, i must admit i worked on this. but let it go, from lack of hammer. [00:23]
asciilifeform other people - who have hammer - should be presumed to have worked on it, as well. [00:24]
berndj-blackout asciilifeform: won't any nonzero hammer work, given enough time to get a decent SNR? [00:24]
asciilifeform berndj-blackout: nope. to run with the mechanical analogy, the system has a certain amount of 'dampening'. [00:24]
ben_vulpes hammer wears [00:24]
ben_vulpes energy reservoir backing it empties. [00:24]
mircea_popescu dampening is right [00:24]
ThickAsThieves <+kakobrekla> (or maybe im just imagining) /// it wouldnt be ta otherwise [00:25]
berndj-blackout asciilifeform, add to that, use a spread-spectrum hammer or something [00:25]
asciilifeform to continue the oscillator analogy: nitwits running simple bots will show up as 'line spectra'. [00:25]
Darkstone1 I'm fairly sure i've met bots specially crafted to screw my bots at one exchange once... [00:27]
Darkstone1 it was a sad day. [00:27]
ThickAsThieves another sign that chinese exchanges are all bots/washing, the books are always balanced [00:27]
ThickAsThieves orderbooks* [00:28]
ben_vulpes would this actually be a frequency response thing? [00:28]
asciilifeform Darkstone1: if this is even remotely possible to do to you - and probably necessarily so if your bot is less complicated, than, say, 'eurisko' - give up. [00:28]
mircea_popescu really the proposition of making a living with trading bots is the response of the engineer who confronted with the fundamental impossibility of making money picking stocks decides to write a hard ai to do it. [00:28]
mircea_popescu exactly asciilifeform's "but we don't even know how to make computers yet!" sorta thing [00:28]
ThickAsThieves shit i dont even trust stop orders [00:28]
ThickAsThieves nevermind a bot [00:28]
Darkstone1 asciilifeform It is no longer possible to do so. I belive i closed all gaps. [00:28]
mircea_popescu is this the famous last words competition ? [00:28]
ThickAsThieves hehe [00:29]
ThickAsThieves be creative! [00:29]
Darkstone1 except the one where a whale sells hundreds of bitcoins on all the exchanges where i'm active. But that probably a slim chance. [00:29]
mircea_popescu what could the tiger possibly do. [00:29]
asciilifeform Darkstone1: ever play 'core wars' ? [00:29]
mircea_popescu hundreds ?! uh. [00:29]
asciilifeform Darkstone1: or write a virus ? [00:29]
Darkstone1 no i'll look it up. [00:29]
ThickAsThieves Darkstone1 this is how I trade at times [00:29]
BingoBoingo Come on, real trading insight comes from the gut! [00:30]
asciilifeform except the one where a whale sells hundreds of bitcoins << and your machine isn't buying cheapo coin in its wake? [00:30]
fluffypony oh I see we're calling the Bash bug "ShellShock" now [00:30]
ThickAsThieves elation=sell [00:30]
fluffypony I hope someone made a logo [00:30]
BingoBoingo You've got more serotogenic neurons in the ganglia there than in the brain [00:30]
ThickAsThieves teach your bots elation [00:30]
fluffypony I can't take these bugs seriously without a logo and an info site [00:31]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: No, teach them fear, that sinking feeling in the pit of one's stomach! [00:31]
ThickAsThieves sure if you wanna make a bad trader [00:31]
BingoBoingo Hunger as well [00:31]
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kakobrekla http://singlesaints.com/firefile/temp [00:34]
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kakobrekla shellshock payload [00:35]
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BingoBoingo https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Clitoria_%28253000626%29.jpg [00:37]
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asciilifeform !up berndj-blackout [00:46]
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kakobrekla !s coinflow [00:46]
assbot 49 results for 'coinflow' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=coinflow [00:46]
berndj-blackout thanks, but i'm likely to be idle for a while. should work on my rating i guess [00:47]
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kakobrekla ;;gettrust assbot coinflow [00:48]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user coinflow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=coinflow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=coinflow | Rated since: never [00:48]
kakobrekla anyone got a contact from this dude [00:48]
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kakobrekla ;;seen parseval [00:54]
gribble parseval was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: though, really, I think banning banks from handling bitcoin transactions is a good thing [00:54]
kakobrekla huh [00:54]
mike_c sry, btcalpha put coinflow out of bizness [00:54]
kakobrekla i just noticed - looking at logs - he is spamming my boxen [00:55]
mike_c i pwned his box for kicks too [00:55]
mike_c (j/k) [00:55]
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mircea_popescu I can't take these bugs seriously without a logo and an info site << these bugs got no ux! [01:14]
fluffypony damn straight [01:14]
fluffypony before announcing it they should at least have a logo contest [01:14]
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BingoBoingo OMG coverup in New York City!!! http://nypost.com/2014/09/25/groundhog-dropped-by-de-blasio-died-of-internal-injuries/ [01:15]
assbot Zoo in coverup after groundhog dropped by de Blasio dies | New York Post [01:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla used to run a fund with PsychoticBoy [01:15]
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kakobrekla wha??? [01:16]
kakobrekla oh [01:16]
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kakobrekla he seems a goner [01:16]
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ben_vulpes awwwww ye [01:36]
ben_vulpes if these deals come through, i'm going to have such sweet projects lined up [01:36]
ben_vulpes and there are enough on the table that i should be making odds on how many close [01:37]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/dannyyadron/status/515205493623898112 << Guess the apple warrant canary disappeared because... warrant [01:50]
assbot Breaking: FBI Director says the bureau is talking to Apple and Google about new encryption settings. Story to come. [01:50]
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ben_vulpes new encryption settings [01:53]
ben_vulpes the "let me fuck your shit up" switch must be enabled. [01:54]
BingoBoingo Eh, the new Apple stuff seems to have a bunch of built in side channels to keep syncing the device with the desktop easy [01:55]
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ThickAsThieves kako, I owned coinflow in the end [02:00]
ThickAsThieves parseval is long gone [02:00]
ThickAsThieves afaik my friend hosting it let it lapse [02:00]
ThickAsThieves but i emailed him to check [02:00]
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kakobrekla ThickAsThieves http://dpaste.com/367MW24.txt [02:04]
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ThickAsThieves k [02:04]
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kakobrekla ThickAsThieves what are your plans with that thing anyway [02:12]
ThickAsThieves stopped all work on it [02:14]
ThickAsThieves had some decent plans back when there were more exchanges [02:14]
ThickAsThieves but now i'm all set [02:14]
ThickAsThieves in addition to coming to terms with what it really means to be a usian [02:15]
kakobrekla :( [02:15]
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asciilifeform apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. [02:16]
ThickAsThieves it's ok, now i'm sharpening my trading skillz [02:16]
ThickAsThieves enjoying it [02:16]
asciilifeform obligatory: sheckley's 'hour of battle' -- [02:17]
asciilifeform http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29445/29445-h/29445-h.htm [02:17]
assbot Error 403 [02:17]
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[]bot Bet placed: 4.29 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 41Bn before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1050/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 77(Y):23(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.17010104 BTC. Current weight: 80,404. [02:20]
ben_vulpes the gutenberg notices are longer than the story [02:30]
ben_vulpes o.O [02:30]
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pete_dushenski lord norwich is the english authority on venice << merci! [02:43]
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pete_dushenski looks like asciilifeform rectothermal scan will be… a dog: [02:44]
pete_dushenski http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-23/a-police-dog-for-the-digital-age-she-can-smell-the-usb-drive-you-re-hiding.html [02:44]
assbot A Police Dog for the Digital Age: She Can Smell the USB Drive You're Hiding - Bloomberg [02:44]
pete_dushenski for stopping teh child pr0n! [02:44]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: ancient item, search #b-a logs. [02:45]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. << just because puppets talking "ignore" doesn't mean everyone ignores [02:45]
pete_dushenski !s usb dog [02:45]
assbot 0 results for 'usb dog' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=usb+dog [02:45]
pete_dushenski hm [02:45]
pete_dushenski !s digital dog [02:46]
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kakobrekla !s firewire cat [02:46]
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pete_dushenski futility is you! [02:46]
pete_dushenski or maybe "thunderbolt terrier" ? [02:46]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2014#747841 [02:48]
assbot Logged on 07-07-2014 14:17:39; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, others: re: electronics-sniffing dog << distraction psyop. in real life, hidden electronics are found with a nonlinear junction detector. [02:48]
pete_dushenski ;;google nonlinear junction detector [02:48]
gribble Nonlinear junction detector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; REI ORION 2.4 Non-Linear Junction Detector: ; NLJD - Non Linear Junction Detector Tutorial - Granite Island Group: (1 more message) [02:48]
pete_dushenski that leaves us with paper wallets entre les buttcheeks. [02:49]
pete_dushenski laminted, natch [02:49]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: or semiconductors encased in continuous conductive countours. [02:50]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: analog or digital, user pref [02:51]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JbnDXw-0pM << friction welding. it's a thing [02:52]
assbot The Power of Friction - YouTube [02:52]
asciilifeform of course it is [02:52]
asciilifeform when unintentional - bane of machine tool operators everywhere [02:52]
mircea_popescu pretty cool vid i say! [02:52]
asciilifeform these appear to be wheel hubs. [02:53]
mircea_popescu JuliaTourianski how goes canada ? [02:54]
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mircea_popescu apple << wtf is the point of 'canary' if everyone ignores, makes up justifications, when it croaks. << "everyone" ? the us agitprop (calling itslef "mainstream media") is not everyone just like tardstalk.org is not everyone in bitcoin. [02:55]
mircea_popescu heck, it'll be tough to argue that they're someone at all, even. [02:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this was not limited to the loltron. plenty of 'humans' made excuses. [02:56]
mircea_popescu like... who ? schneier ? :D [02:56]
mircea_popescu moldbug ? [02:56]
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asciilifeform nah peanut gallery. [02:57]
mircea_popescu well ppls can err [02:57]
pete_dushenski friction << certified cool! [02:58]
mircea_popescu "Richard Everset and C. R. Jones had gone on the first interstellar flight. They had found an inhabited planet in the region of Vega. The rest was standard procedure." [03:00]
mircea_popescu such bad writing. if something is a first then it can't be "standard procedure" [03:01]
mircea_popescu standard procedure is what an old whore does, never a virgin. [03:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sheckley was a sort of comedian. [03:01]
ben_vulpes first moon landing - full of standard procedures. [03:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this partially why he was revered in the soviet world, where he in fact died (on tour) a few years ago. [03:02]
asciilifeform (while almost forgotten in his native land) [03:02]
mircea_popescu i never heard of him [03:02]
* asciilifeform somewhat surprised [03:02]
mircea_popescu the premise is not bad. [03:04]
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mircea_popescu "What armor is there against thought? How do you dodge a wavelength?" << meh. why ruin it ? wavelength is not thought, and moreover easily armored against. [03:05]
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mircea_popescu "Any alteration from the typical human brain wave pattern of the occupants of a Detector-equipped ship would boost the indicator around the dial. Even a bad dream or a case of indigestion would jar it." || "The unmoving dials." jesus pick one. [03:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is generally why ancient sf is best read in childhood [03:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it doesn't usually survive this treatment [03:10]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: doesn't make it worthless. [03:10]
mircea_popescu myeah. [03:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38081 @ 0.00074777 = 28.4758 BTC [-] {2} [03:12]
mircea_popescu actually it's a little jewel, just a bit of cruft here and there. [03:12]
mircea_popescu maybe should be rewritten properly. [03:12]
JuliaTourianski +mircea_popescu quite well, how goes wherever you live? [03:13]
mircea_popescu where i live goes nudely swell. [03:14]
mircea_popescu which is a superlative idiomatic i've just created for the occasion. [03:14]
JuliaTourianski fancy [03:15]
thestringpuller every time I see the word fancy [03:16]
thestringpuller i think of that song fancy huh [03:16]
thestringpuller by drake or whoever the fuck [03:16]
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JuliaTourianski iggy asmellyyah..becuase mike dice is a creative. [03:17]
JuliaTourianski i bet the dude rocks out to katy perry in the shower. [03:18]
JuliaTourianski because estrogen in water [03:18]
mircea_popescu i wonder how long before the standard moves from "potable water" to "pristine water" [03:20]
mircea_popescu i've not drunk tap water in about a decade or so. [03:21]
ben_vulpes in this town we flush whole reservoirs when someone pees in them [03:22]
ben_vulpes and nobody's allowed in the bull run [03:23]
ben_vulpes nominally. [03:23]
JuliaTourianski avian is what the new world order drinks [03:23]
JuliaTourianski this message was sponsored by avian [03:23]
ben_vulpes agua sin gas bleh [03:24]
JuliaTourianski evian* [03:24]
JuliaTourianski heh [03:24]
JuliaTourianski do they still have water bars? [03:24]
peterl I still drink out of the hose with my kids if outside. [03:25]
cazalla JuliaTourianski, do you use one of AJ's water filters? [03:25]
JuliaTourianski don;t you worry boys, xenoestrogen & phytoestrogen will get you [03:26]
JuliaTourianski +cazalla big berke [03:26]
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JuliaTourianski the dated water filter - but it looks empowering [03:26]
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thestringpuller JuliaTourianski: i bet the dude rocks out to katy perry in the shower. << If you're talking about Drake, I think this is confirmed... [03:28]
JuliaTourianski +thestringpuller no mike dice [03:28]
BingoBoingo JuliaTourianski: don;t you worry boys, xenoestrogen & phytoestrogen will get you << You know one of the steps involved in maturing sperm cells in the testicals involves... converting testosterone to estrogen! [03:28]
thestringpuller People also search for Alex Jones. [03:29]
thestringpuller lol [03:29]
JuliaTourianski exactly [03:29]
JuliaTourianski and when your body is overrun by fake estrogens, it hinders its ability to do so [03:29]
thestringpuller so fake estrogen == bad sperm? [03:30]
JuliaTourianski the juice boxes ARE making you gay boys. [03:30]
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cazalla JuliaTourianski, you mean a popper? [03:30]
JuliaTourianski OMG where are all the homos of btc? bitcoin is homophobic. must write article for tumblr [03:30]
thestringpuller jurov is gay... [03:31]
peterl isn't Rassah gay? [03:31]
thestringpuller that too [03:31]
JuliaTourianski *waiting for someone to take low blow bait [03:31]
thestringpuller ~_~ [03:31]
JuliaTourianski is rassah gay? didn;t get that vibe [03:31]
peterl thought I read that from him somewhere? [03:32]
ben_vulpes jurov, non? [03:32]
peterl I don't know him personally [03:32]
JuliaTourianski who would write about that :S [03:33]
peterl it was sort of inferred, guy talking about his husband ...? [03:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo testicals are feminist testicles ? [03:33]
mircea_popescu isn't Rassah gay? <<< i don't think as much gay as a furry creature. [03:34]
peterl same thing? [03:35]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well... Testicles was a great warrior in the Classical period... [03:35]
peterl wasn't that pericles? [03:36]
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JuliaTourianski +peterl rofl [03:37]
mircea_popescu or patrocles. [03:37]
mircea_popescu who actually WAS gay [03:37]
peterl they had gay back then? [03:38]
JuliaTourianski gay was the only thing they had back then [03:38]
JuliaTourianski and goats [03:38]
peterl women not invented yet? [03:39]
mircea_popescu peterl women were the goats. [03:41]
mircea_popescu so cheezy from all the neglect you could scarcely tell the difference. [03:41]
mircea_popescu sapho lived off of herding greek gals and selling the diary. [03:42]
peterl ewww [03:42]
mircea_popescu stop playing with your food young man and eat your vaggies. [03:42]
peterl nom-nom [03:43]
JuliaTourianski i used to make cheese at home all the time. what happened to me? [03:43]
peterl I made mead at home once [03:44]
mircea_popescu you stopped being poor ? [03:44]
JuliaTourianski yes. [03:44]
JuliaTourianski https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F2013hoaxblog.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fhilton_poor.jpg&f=1 [03:45]
mircea_popescu lol [03:45]
JuliaTourianski omg. dying. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/25/taylor-swift-no-its-becky_n_5883126.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067 [03:47]
assbot Taylor Swift Brings 'No Its Becky' Meme To Life, Wins Internet [03:47]
penguirker New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/25/ncaa-football-fuck-it-week-5/ [03:51]
asciilifeform in response to years of prodding from various folks, and mircea_popescu reminding me that 'lesswrong' existed, i took an hour or so to digitize the old douglas lenat papers. now need a place to host [03:54]
asciilifeform (a bit bulky) [03:54]
asciilifeform now we can finally destroy the universe by enabling any kid to build rogue ai. [03:54]
asciilifeform or something like that. [03:55]
mircea_popescu email ill put on trilema [03:55]
asciilifeform 500 Mb or so [03:56]
mircea_popescu the guy wrote 100 mn words ?! [03:56]
asciilifeform scans. [03:56]
asciilifeform djvu no less [03:56]
mircea_popescu meh such digitize [03:56]
mircea_popescu what's the largest filesize ? [03:56]
asciilifeform 240M [03:57]
asciilifeform about to make w4r3z torrent... [03:57]
mircea_popescu i got the space, just, some derpy kid's idea of ai will prolly be to try and "loic" it [03:57]
mircea_popescu torrent prolly best [03:57]
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JuliaTourianski do you guys have any opinions on stefan molyneux? [04:03]
JuliaTourianski srsly just curious [04:04]
mircea_popescu !s molyneux [04:04]
assbot 1 results for 'molyneux' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=molyneux [04:04]
mircea_popescu anywya, he's ok i guess. [04:04]
JuliaTourianski 1 result. aw [04:05]
kakobrekla dun worry, its now 3. [04:05]
kakobrekla 4 actually. :( [04:06]
JuliaTourianski heh [04:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try: http://loper-os.org/pub/lenat-leaks.tar.gz.torrent [04:06]
kakobrekla imma leech too [04:06]
kakobrekla doesnt work - the link [04:07]
mircea_popescu sca, [04:07]
mircea_popescu scam* [04:07]
asciilifeform 1sec [04:08]
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mats_cd03 pricing of the nonlinear junction detector looks quite high. is there a miser's version somewhere? made in a sweatshop perhaps? [04:12]
asciilifeform let's try that link again. [04:12]
kakobrekla nop [04:13]
asciilifeform now? [04:13]
thestringpuller my life goal is to own a sweatshop [04:15]
thestringpuller fill it with indonesian children [04:15]
kakobrekla mno [04:15]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: now ? [04:22]
kakobrekla no cigar [04:23]
asciilifeform what happens ? [04:23]
kakobrekla right now i just get a network error [04:23]
kakobrekla earlier it was file not found briefly [04:23]
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kakobrekla use some retarded upload service ? [04:25]
kakobrekla ;;google upload file [04:25]
gribble Upload - Speedy Share - upload your files here: ; Free large file hosting. Send big files the easy way!: ; WeTransfer: [04:25]
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mats_cd03 http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140925/NEWS/309250057/-Big-Red-One-HQ-will-deploy-Iraq 1st ID to follow 1st Armored HQ dudes. [04:28]
assbot 'Big Red One' HQ will deploy to Iraq | Army Times | armytimes.com [04:28]
mats_cd03 i should do a bet about green attacks before end of the year [04:29]
mats_cd03 er, green on green [04:29]
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mats_cd03 and green on blue. [04:30]
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mats_cd03 some days i think about whether someone will end up glassing mecca [04:35]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: i've been thinking about it ever since al schwartz recommended it in '01... [04:36]
mats_cd03 that would be a good day [04:36]
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asciilifeform kakobrekla: uploading turd... [04:37]
thestringpuller was that a real thing? [04:37]
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thestringpuller someone actually used the term "glassing" [04:37]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ asciilifeform < [04:37]
assbot The Hour Of Reckoning pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [04:37]
kakobrekla the torrent file? [04:37]
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kakobrekla i have set up rtorrent on some boxen with pipe [04:38]
mats_cd03 huh? [04:38]
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mats_cd03 are we on the same page? nuclear detonation. [04:38]
asciilifeform wait people don't know what 'glassing' means?! [04:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: neato! reading... [04:38]
mircea_popescu glassing is the wholesale production of borosilicate glass out of the landscape as the side effect of a runaway nuclear reaction. [04:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1400 @ 0.0075 = 10.5 BTC [+] [04:39]
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asciilifeform aka 'trinitite.' [04:40]
mats_cd03 http://www.baenebooks.com/chapters/1597801348/1597801348___3.htm [04:41]
assbot - Chapter 3 [04:41]
mats_cd03 a short story. [04:42]
kakobrekla did you get the torrent up ascii? [04:43]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: actually throwing it on a server. [04:43]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: ~half done [04:43]
kakobrekla ok boss [04:44]
asciilifeform should be shat out by the time i'm done reading 'hour of reckoning' [04:44]
pete_dushenski blog incoming. turns out not every vc is a derp. [04:46]
decimation re: nonlinear junction detector << like an ohm meter? [04:46]
asciilifeform decimation: nope. [04:46]
asciilifeform decimation: more like a radar set [04:46]
pete_dushenski now: al gimnasio! [04:47]
decimation trival V-I curve at DC is easily detected [04:47]
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asciilifeform decimation: if beam hits a rectifier, energy is absorbed instead of reflected or transmitted to other side of obstacle. [04:47]
asciilifeform decimation: and anything that semiconducts is rectifier. [04:47]
decimation if the signal passes through a channel that is not linear-time-invariant, one will see intermodulation products arise [04:47]
thestringpuller i think i learn more in this channel than i ever did in school [04:48]
decimation subtle nonlinearities in radio systems are regularly measured with the 'two-tone test' [04:49]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: glassing is the wholesale production of borosilicate glass out of the landscape as the side effect of a runaway nuclear reaction. << this is a great definition [04:49]
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asciilifeform sha256(lenat-leaks.tar.gz) == cf3a34181d3dff597f1d3fbd7f5678d65263720dbe6ce14dc814ff714d729015 [04:52]
asciilifeform http://64.85.171.71/lenat-leaks.tar.gz [04:52]
asciilifeform kakobrekla, mircea_popescu. [04:52]
xanthyos IT'S MY BIRTHDAY [04:53]
decimation wow ascii I'm getting 8 mbit/sec, that's serious [04:54]
asciilifeform lol [04:54]
asciilifeform please don't kill the poor bugger [04:54]
asciilifeform it's an ancient box doing crawler duty [04:54]
kakobrekla works [04:55]
asciilifeform test hash when done. [04:55]
decimation lol 'mnemus' [04:55]
asciilifeform ancient apparatus, abandoned [04:56]
asciilifeform of no consequence. [04:56]
asciilifeform shared a machine with a 'sollipse' - also abandoned, of no use. [04:56]
decimation ascii do you 'pack-rat' information on the internet? I find I am caching more and more these days [04:56]
asciilifeform decimation: i tend to rely on my head [04:57]
decimation yeah but it's handy to 'grep' for poorly-remembered stuff [04:57]
asciilifeform decimation: this often annoys phriends who want an actual external copy of something in it... [04:57]
asciilifeform decimation: heads come with 'grep' typically [04:57]
mats_cd03 lol. [04:58]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ [04:58]
decimation that's a good point [04:58]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller> i think i learn more in this channel than i ever did in school << im sure most do. [04:59]
decimation asciilifeform: I was thinking about your piston pump today - how do you craft it with all the 'hidden' holes? In two halves? Casting? [05:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ^ w4r3z [05:00]
asciilifeform decimation: what hidden holes [05:00]
mircea_popescu IT'S MY BIRTHDAY << happy bday. [05:00]
decimation I mean the chambers must be carved from the inside [05:00]
asciilifeform decimation: why? [05:00]
asciilifeform decimation: you know, 18th century happened, thread was invented. [05:01]
decimation ah so you are making tubes that screw together, not 'negative space' in the block like your link illustrated [05:02]
asciilifeform decimation: what do you think. [05:02]
decimation heh I guess it makes sense. elsewhere in the link, there are pictures of the ceramic 'screw pumps' that are supposedly of higher quality [05:03]
asciilifeform decimation: those are quite nice [05:03]
asciilifeform decimation: i can only dream of them. [05:03]
decimation I was thinking one could cast with a mold, but a home-made version of those would probably not be sufficiently precisely machined [05:04]
asciilifeform mold << nope. [05:04]
decimation you think they are cut from ceramic blank? [05:04]
asciilifeform sintered. [05:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: let me know when you're done l33ch1ng t3h l33t w4rez [05:05]
kakobrekla 40% done here [05:05]
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decimation cf3a34181d3dff597f1d3fbd7f5678d65263720dbe6ce14dc814ff714d729015 lenat-leaks.tar.gz [05:08]
mats_cd03 run through ocr for the rest of us, eh? [05:08]
kakobrekla damn its same :( [05:08]
kakobrekla hehe [05:09]
asciilifeform no ocr. [05:09]
asciilifeform old, crappy scans (esp. the rare ones that never sat on the net before) [05:10]
mats_cd03 :( [05:10]
decimation I have ocr, but it only works on pdf [05:10]
asciilifeform and many pictures. [05:10]
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asciilifeform (see 'manifest' for which) [05:12]
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kakobrekla lol@manifest. [05:20]
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decimation lol ancestor simulation [05:29]
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decimation ascii hopefully we can share the hard-ai-god's gasenwagen [05:31]
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nubbins` can anyone point me to a simple shell script that generates private keys from secret exponents? [05:33]
asciilifeform decimation: lol << laugh, but if these folks had balls, they'd be stereotypically dangerous loons [05:40]
decimation like 'drink the kool-aid' type or the 'bomb the city' type? [05:41]
asciilifeform both. [05:41]
asciilifeform presumably (2) then (1) [05:42]
decimation heh when turned into pdf, tripled in size [05:42]
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asciilifeform decimation: and 1/10 the render speed on small cpu [05:44]
asciilifeform decimation: djvu exists for a reason [05:44]
decimation yeah :( too bad the warez only ocr pdf [05:44]
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decimation my checksums all check [05:45]
asciilifeform decimation: congrats [05:45]
mats_cd03 http://news.discovery.com/space/indian-mars-mission-beams-back-first-photographs-140925.htm [05:48]
assbot Indian Mars Mission Beams Back First Photographs : Discovery News [05:48]
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decimation obligatory: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2009/05/far-out-space-nuts.html << "“We must also go there and say: ‘What are you people doing up here?’”" [05:49]
assbot Across Difficult Country: Far out space nuts [05:49]
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decimation ascii I have bad news. The ones with "ADA" numbers have already been published on the internet by usg: http://www.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA096510 [06:02]
assbot RLL-1: A Representation Language Language [06:02]
asciilifeform decimation: both rll pieces ? [06:03]
asciilifeform decimation: the one with actual code is the 'supplement' [06:03]
asciilifeform lol, looks like they posted it, too [06:05]
decimation ja : http://www.dtic.mil/docs/citations/ADA096779 [06:05]
assbot RLL-1: A Representation Language Language. Supplement. Details of RLL-1 [06:05]
decimation anything with 'ada' is a 'dtic' research report [06:05]
asciilifeform perhaps because i ordered them scanned... [06:05]
decimation sometimes they are scanned, sometimes not :) [06:06]
asciilifeform (where do you think i got them) [06:06]
decimation hehe [06:06]
asciilifeform used to be, these were just catalogue #s. [06:06]
asciilifeform and might be interesting to compare the dtic-online version to mine. [06:06]
asciilifeform but - life is short. [06:06]
asciilifeform anyway, all this crud is in one convenient place now, and readable on civilized reading machines... [06:07]
decimation indeed. [06:07]
asciilifeform (e.g. 'kindle dx' with 'librerator' aftermarket firmware.) [06:07]
decimation and I think you are right, they are too shitty to ocr for the most part [06:07]
asciilifeform decimation: i tried, back in the day, was not impressed with result. [06:08]
asciilifeform ocr for code is a nonstarter anyway [06:08]
decimation some idiot intern did the scanning [06:08]
asciilifeform two scans. [06:08]
decimation or it was a copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy [06:08]
asciilifeform one - their end [06:08]
asciilifeform they mailed - paper. [06:08]
asciilifeform another - my old lab's scanner. [06:09]
asciilifeform and the original was probably put on record as a paper report, as well. [06:09]
asciilifeform lucky that the text is readable at all. [06:09]
asciilifeform at least 3 of the documents came from another place and were public for ages. [06:09]
decimation indeed, 'markov chain in the brain' is quite powerful at correcting errors [06:09]
decimation one wonders how many other useful reports lie mouldering in some gov't bin, unscanned [06:10]
asciilifeform the real lol is that i had to write a report, quite like this one, when my contract was ending. [06:10]
asciilifeform it, too, was interred in some 'indiana jones' vault [06:10]
asciilifeform for some archaeologist to vomit over one day. [06:10]
decimation gov't pays for such 'research', most of which is pointless: http://www.sbir.gov/ [06:11]
assbot SBIR.gov [06:11]
asciilifeform yes. [06:11]
asciilifeform it feeds a gigantic class of folks, some of whom could conceivably be of some use, most go back to home country after they had enough. [06:12]
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decimation usg asks so many questions, doesn't understand the answers... [06:13]
asciilifeform there are two versions of the lenat story [06:13]
asciilifeform one, where he's a scammer. [06:13]
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asciilifeform (the facts actually favour this hypothesis. he collected $billions for 'cyc' project, never showed any useful result.) [06:14]
asciilifeform another - where he was onto something. [06:14]
asciilifeform the schoolbook telling of the 'eurisko' project - open an encyclopaedia of computing, traditionally it is mentioned as a seminal work - suggests this. [06:14]
asciilifeform he never published the source of 'eurisko'. each hypothesis provides an explanation for why. [06:15]
asciilifeform scammer: it never worked really, he won the 'traveller' tourney using his brain plus a few automated routines [06:15]
asciilifeform genius: it worked, he wanted to conquer world / get rich / etc. with it. [06:15]
asciilifeform rll-1 supplement does not settle the 'scammer or genius' question, perhaps surprisingly. [06:16]
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asciilifeform even leaves open the interpretations 'genius scammer' or 'scamming genius.' [06:16]
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asciilifeform ;;google douglas lenat [06:16]
gribble Douglas Lenat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cyc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Cycorp | Home of smarter solutions: [06:16]
asciilifeform draw own conclusions. [06:17]
asciilifeform until the real 'lenat leak' perhaps one day. [06:17]
decimation the '3d vlsi design' part is interesting [06:17]
asciilifeform same as the traveler thing [06:18]
asciilifeform we don't know if it was eurisko or just doug l. and a lisp prompt. [06:18]
asciilifeform no way to learn the truth short of wiring him to the mains. [06:18]
asciilifeform (or replicating result...) [06:18]
decimation seems like if the stuff were useful, he would have out googled google before google googled. [06:20]
asciilifeform decimation: nope. resources of the time. [06:20]
decimation right, of the time, but he had the access to the same computers google did [06:21]
asciilifeform decimation: precious little horsepower (esp. for a serious lisp system); precious little network to speak of; etc [06:21]
asciilifeform by the time these things changed - he was fully occupied in operating an obvious chumpatron [06:21]
asciilifeform go and 'dismount the tiger without being eaten' [06:21]
decimation the 'cyc' stuff, yeah that seems dumb [06:22]
asciilifeform afaik he remains there. [06:22]
asciilifeform 'cyc' is a real laugh. they have a crippled 'open' version; in java, if i recall! [06:23]
asciilifeform does - nothing. [06:23]
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penguirker New blog post: http://thewhet.net/2014/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed-scoop-it-into-the-garbage-and-ask-how-many-cups-of-stupid-you-threw-in-there/ [06:23]
asciilifeform was always a laugh. [06:23]
asciilifeform but cyc is not eurisko. [06:23]
asciilifeform whether eurisko existed - and in what form - is the real question. [06:23]
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decimation it is interesting how this eurisko thing, the really useful symbolics stuff, early MIT lisp stuff -- much of it has simply disappeared [06:24]
decimation one would think that someone would have made a few backups, but then again shit happens I guess [06:24]
asciilifeform http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de has some good stuff [06:24]
assbot bitsavers.org [06:24]
asciilifeform and brad parker has more [06:25]
asciilifeform (re: mit, lmi, symbolics) [06:25]
asciilifeform people made backups. on tape. someone actually paid to have many of the tapes recovered. [06:25]
asciilifeform and mit rubber-stamped the bsd license release of the original cadr stuff, once priced at $maxint [06:25]
asciilifeform (symbolics, lmi, ti - paid vast sums to license 'cadr') [06:26]
decimation yeah it created two spinoffs [06:26]
asciilifeform three. [06:26]
* asciilifeform can tell that decimation read richard stallman's version [06:26]
decimation heh yeah I did [06:26]
asciilifeform for some reason he omits ti [06:26]
asciilifeform why? ask him, not me [06:26]
decimation oh yeah I forgot about ti [06:28]
decimation also apple had a lisp machine later on right [06:28]
decimation was that based on ivory chip? [06:29]
decimation No I'm thinking of maclisp, which is unrelated to apple I guess [06:30]
cazalla anyone heard of http://breakoutgaming.com/ before? apparently johnny chan is gonna be the face of it and they'll have bitcoin deposit/withdrawals [06:36]
assbot Breakout Gaming [06:36]
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cazalla http://venturebeat.com/2014/09/16/breakout-gaming-announces-new-coin-and-gaming-destination/ [06:38]
assbot Breakout Gaming Announces New Coin and Gaming Destination | VentureBeat | Business | by Business Wire [06:38]
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cazalla "An in-house, web based, exchange seamlessly converts Bitcoin (BTC) to Breakout Coin (BRO) with a cold storage solution to protect the currency, avoiding the opportunity for hackers to enter the servers. Breakout Gaming’s site will feature 88 different casino games including the popular Texas Hold ‘Em, Open Face Chinese Poker, in addition to a custom built Fantasy Sports betting platform. " more shit coins for your bitcoin [06:38]
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decimation everyone wants some seigniorage [06:44]
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mircea_popescu cazalla as a rule of thumb, if grep "will" > devnull [06:50]
mircea_popescu obviously paid piece, how else would a journalist know what "will" happen [06:51]
mircea_popescu this is the equivalent of the "if newspiece title ask a question, the response is no". [06:52]
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cazalla maybe they'll peg their altcoin to usd so that even if you win, you lose bitcoins [07:01]
BingoBoingo ;;ud peg [07:02]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peg | Dude 1: your such a peg, u said you didnt revise lol. by Frank MacE January 06, 2010. 377 189. Merch. 3. peg. For a woman to bugger a man with a strap-on. [07:02]
cazalla it's like super rake for poker [07:03]
decimation implication of peg to usd: they have some usd to trade [07:03]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: edulcorously? [07:05]
mats_cd03 sounds like a good scam [07:12]
ben_vulpes gov't pays for such 'research', most of which is pointless: http://www.sbir.gov/ << people say: "do this!" and I say "what innovation? we duct tape thinger a to tab b and make clients happy." they do not understand, and i cannot enlighten them without calling into question that which they value themselves upon. [07:14]
assbot SBIR.gov [07:14]
asciilifeform decimation: 'maclisp' had nothing whatsoever to do with apple. [07:15]
asciilifeform decimation: mit 'project mac' [07:15]
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decimation ah I see. apparently symbolics later marketed a card to install in apple stuff though [07:20]
asciilifeform 'macivory'. [07:21]
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asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrcGkLtNsY0 [07:24]
assbot servo-string - YouTube [07:24]
asciilifeform (unrelated) [07:25]
decimation heh he should put some 'vibrato' on that [07:29]
decimation in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: http://census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-177.html [07:35]
assbot College Enrollment Declines for Second Year in a Row [07:35]
penguirker New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/25/we-gon-party-like-its-19-hold-up-it-is/ [07:51]
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BingoBoingo http://www.hulu.com/watch/691075#i0,p241,d0 [07:54]
assbot Watch South Park Online - Go Fund Yourself | Hulu [07:54]
mircea_popescu in other news, slightly less than everybody is going to university in the us these days: << bwahahaha [07:55]
mircea_popescu should be "slightly more" [07:55]
asciilifeform this doesn't even tough upon the very special chumpatronic clients who are admitted, to flounder about in 7+ years of too-precious-to-flunk limbo. [07:56]
asciilifeform *touch upon [07:56]
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mircea_popescu hm [07:59]
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pete_dushenski was it 6 months that ver was donating millions? now, 1/1000 that. mircea_popescu was right, dood is broke: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/515344889807003649 [08:17]
assbot I just donated $1K to the Global Learning XPRIZE because governments indoctrinate more than they educate. http://t.co/nkWMXwFR3R /Indiegogo [08:17]
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pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orzhba2dV1A << nov 30, 2013 [08:26]
assbot Bitcoin: $1,000,000 Bet Final Update! - YouTube [08:26]
pete_dushenski how time flies! [08:27]
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asciilifeform punkman: 'ZIL' (not to be confused with the soviet car) [19:37]
asciilifeform punkman: by infocom [19:37]
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mircea_popescu so how goes everything this fine morning ? [19:40]
chetty http://phys.org/news/2014-09-black-holes.html [19:40]
assbot Researcher shows that black holes do not exist [19:40]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-09-2014#845694 << lenat intro for those who missed [19:42]
assbot Logged on 26-09-2014 03:11:57; asciilifeform: there are two versions of the lenat story [19:42]
mircea_popescu i recall this black hole thing yest [19:42]
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asciilifeform punkman: for libraries, http://www.cliki.net [19:44]
assbot CLiki: index [19:44]
asciilifeform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eurisko << mega-lol [19:47]
assbot Talk:Eurisko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [19:47]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: think millikan's experiment is a clusterfuck? in computer 'science', folks like lenat are schoolbook-famous for experiment that not only have not but cannot be replicated with available data. [19:49]
mod6 %ob [19:49]
atcbot 45k@282 20k@273 7k@266 | 59k@198 6k@194 12k@190 [19:49]
mircea_popescu im famous among a group of [girl]friends for this one trip I took one of them for at some point, that was never documented or repeated. [19:49]
mircea_popescu nothing wrong with that, people allowed their own intimacy. [19:50]
mircea_popescu course, it takes extra strength adolescent retardation to imagine it makes any sort of "science" [19:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: intimacy - sure. but this one is in encyclopaedias, and fed to n00bs as actual data that has bearing on what is possible, worth doing, worth funding, etc. [19:50]
mircea_popescu but then again, the same sort of adolescent retardation is at work everywhere - what english speaker could hold his job if the artificial barriers were removed ? [19:51]
mircea_popescu who, of the singers are actually singers ? what businessman knows business ? etc. [19:51]
mircea_popescu the russian career criminals reportedly find the us, in spite of having the world's largest incarcerated population, doesn't even have good prisoners. [19:52]
asciilifeform famously. [19:52]
ben_vulpes what is a good prisoner? [19:52]
mircea_popescu course if you ask them, or if you watch their movies, they're total fucking experts. [19:52]
asciilifeform incidentally, it is because the prisons are run as a miniature copy of the entire empire [19:52]
mircea_popescu quite. [19:52]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes hard to explain, in english. [19:53]
ben_vulpes the mind boggles at the thing mircea_popescu finds difficult to explain, in any language. [19:53]
mircea_popescu but if it helps, "russian career criminal" = вор [19:53]
mircea_popescu which sort-of reads like dop in romanian, which is a funny little word, meaning cork. [19:53]
asciilifeform i'll try. [19:54]
asciilifeform the american jailbirds have defective... понятия. [19:54]
asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827009 [19:54]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 00:06:32; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Rinduieli' ~= (arabic) 'adat' ? [19:54]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's deeper. they lack both the mind structures that make it necessary and possible, as well as the capacity of observation and reason that make the process unavoidable. [19:55]
mircea_popescu they are, in short, retarded. [19:55]
xanthyos in a privatized prison system, a "good prisoner" is one who consumes the least amount of food [19:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: orlov termed this 'homo sapiens lite' [19:55]
mircea_popescu xanthyos a good deer is not the one that eats least. [19:55]
mircea_popescu it's the one that most convincingly stotts, say. [19:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform im not sure of the homo sapiens relation. the women are made of flesh, so in that sense it passes, but i have little clue what the males are made of. [19:56]
mircea_popescu possibly mushroom meal. [19:56]
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mircea_popescu !up myriadgetsmehard [19:57]
-assbot- You voiced myriadgetsmehard for 30 minutes. [19:57]
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myriadgetsmehard haha didn't expect voice. good morning to all! [19:57]
mircea_popescu ello. who're you ? [19:57]
myriadgetsmehard i am john. i are engineer. i also came to maybe discuss some bitcoin assets of mine [19:58]
mircea_popescu go right ahead, you have half an hour. [19:58]
ben_vulpes the correct usage is 'r' [19:58]
myriadgetsmehard i'd gpg auth but i am on me work computer [19:58]
ben_vulpes :P [19:58]
myriadgetsmehard so i don't know how any of you feel about bitpremier [19:58]
mircea_popescu !s bitpremier [19:59]
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ben_vulpes ;;ident myriadgetsmehard [19:59]
gribble Nick 'myriadgetsmehard', with hostmask 'myriadgetsmehard!~bonerKILL@68-190-212-206.dhcp.gldl.ca.charter.com', is not identified. [19:59]
ben_vulpes who would you auth as, myriadgetsmehard ? [19:59]
myriadgetsmehard jdanks [19:59]
myriadgetsmehard So the bastard at http://bitpremier.com/ won't list my BTC domains. I'm a little pissed to be honest [20:00]
assbot The Bitcoin Luxury Marketplace [20:00]
ben_vulpes what does listing your btc domains mean? [20:00]
ben_vulpes ah, you have domains for sale. [20:00]
ben_vulpes noyrly luxury items, those. [20:00]
myriadgetsmehard I am trying to sell http://btc.events I also have a .rentals .holiday and .pub and others [20:01]
assbot btc.events is almost here! [20:01]
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ben_vulpes "BitPremier currently lists only the following: real estate, autos (listed at $50k USD or more), jewelry and watches (listed at $5k USD or more), home goods and travel (listed at $5k USD or more), handbags and accessories (listed at $5K USD or more)" [20:01]
mircea_popescu so why's he a bastard ? domains aren't worth jack. [20:01]
Duffer1 i thought bitpremier was a website for things that had value [20:01]
ben_vulpes case closed. [20:01]
lobbes ;;ticker [20:01]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.83, Best ask: 403.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 403.99, 24 hour volume: 9982.83562326, 24 hour low: 396.53, 24 hour high: 414.35, 24 hour vwap: 406.132999441 [20:01]
asciilifeform mention of 'handbag' -> spam [20:01]
mircea_popescu dude that bet... [20:01]
myriadgetsmehard mircea_popescu they only think .com's are valuable :/ [20:01]
asciilifeform almost ironclad rule. [20:01]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "luxury" anything -> spam ? [20:02]
mircea_popescu myriadgetsmehard i doubt they think even those are valuable. i definitely would think much less of any marketplace that purports to sell 2nd market domain names. [20:02]
myriadgetsmehard i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold [20:03]
assbot btc.events is almost here! [20:03]
myriadgetsmehard It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free [20:03]
Duffer1 lmao [20:04]
myriadgetsmehard maybe i needa setup a gpg contract to get these sold for a commission. [20:04]
ben_vulpes myriadgetsmehard: put 'em in the OTC order book. [20:04]
myriadgetsmehard laugh if you want. i'm offering $100k in BTC to whoever can sell it. wil do ben_vulpes [20:04]
ben_vulpes that's the only free market with which you need concern yourself. [20:04]
myriadgetsmehard :) [20:04]
ben_vulpes to return to the previous topic of conversation: the incompetence of the prisoners implies incompetence of ratcatchers, non? [20:05]
asciilifeform myriadgetsmehard: pray tell, what is a 'ria' ? [20:05]
asciilifeform myriadgetsmehard: and why does yours get you hard [20:05]
mircea_popescu It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. << because why, because it's up to you ? [20:05]
mircea_popescu have a glass o' water. [20:05]
ben_vulpes although i imagine the hardened russian finds the US street gang similarly incompetent. [20:05]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: what's a "dget" ? [20:05]
mircea_popescu "i'm offering 100k in any currency to the salesman that sells this rock i found in the street for 500k" [20:05]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: wouldntchalovetoknow [20:06]
mircea_popescu tyvm and stfu, you're offering 500k to the guy who does that, plus a little fee for allowing your pointless existence to be associated with his. [20:06]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ratcatchers << no. [20:06]
myriadgetsmehard bitcoins.com sold for how cheap? [20:06]
mircea_popescu if you were a hunter and moved to a difference cannuckistan, and all the moose you shot was the size of a chicken [20:07]
myriadgetsmehard asciilifeform there is no ria [20:07]
mircea_popescu you would NOT suspect it's your bullets that are the problem [20:07]
ben_vulpes i think it means he can stroke it to anything [20:07]
mircea_popescu myriadgetsmehard "random rock i found in street" != koh-i-noor [20:07]
mircea_popescu youi're doing this substitutive thinking thing wrong, it's amply discussed in the logs. [20:07]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: but the bullets are materially different. lathed shit, perhaps. [20:08]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: we call those 'match grade' in usa [20:08]
mircea_popescu they do kill it, so the bullet story ends there. [20:08]
myriadgetsmehard So you don't think btc.events can make someone millions? [20:08]
ben_vulpes and also they only fly at 2kph [20:09]
ben_vulpes myriadgetsmehard: what is this, 90's domain bubble again? [20:09]
ben_vulpes 'cause btc? [20:09]
asciilifeform 'A SMURF listens to the Village for variable assignments. When a SMURF receives one, it makes the state transition and returns a list of inferences that must now hold. It is the responsibility of the Village to ensure that the inferences in the list become agreed upon by all Smurfs.' [20:09]
myriadgetsmehard ben_vulpes yes [20:09]
asciilifeform (actual u.s. nsa patent. https://www.google.com/patents/US7380224 ) [20:09]
ben_vulpes that's nonsensical. [20:09]
assbot Patent US7380224 - Method and system for non-linear state based satisfiability - Google Patents [20:09]
myriadgetsmehard new gTLDs are the shit man. too many new domains (.com seekers) are shit imo [20:09]
chetty sadly enough some vc funded tard might it, don{t mean it will actually make money/have value [20:10]
chetty */might buy it [20:11]
ben_vulpes new gTLDs are shit << ftfy [20:11]
myriadgetsmehard ben you are acting like the dinosaurs i get enough shit from man :) [20:11]
ben_vulpes !down myriadgetsmehard [20:12]
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ben_vulpes add value or gtfo. [20:12]
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ben_vulpes order book is over there. place orders and quit derping. [20:12]
asciilifeform https://www.google.com/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=national+security+agency << mega-lol-mine [20:14]
assbot national security agency - Google Search [20:14]
chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BybM7KBCMAEVwGp.jpg [20:15]
asciilifeform patent US8414314 B1, 'Single-use USB port protector.' carry on, wunderwaffen, for victory. [20:17]
mircea_popescu lma [20:22]
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asciilifeform https://www.google.com/patents/USD637658 [20:26]
assbot Patent USD637658 - Game board - Google Patents [20:26]
mats_cd03 13:00:59 <+myriadgetsmehard> i beg to differ. i think all these new TLDs have value. So I am asking for $500k for http://btc.events and a few others. BitPremier takes 5% but I'll offer the room 20% to any who can get one sold [20:31]
assbot btc.events is almost here! [20:31]
mats_cd03 13:01:49 <+myriadgetsmehard> It's not up to them to decide what is a premium domain or not. I say it's up to the whole free market, which they won't let me be a part of, it's also not really free [20:31]
mats_cd03 the nerve of some people [20:31]
punkman http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/marc-andreessen-sounds-warning-on-start-ups-burning-cash/ [20:31]
punkman yeah not like he's giving them piles of cash [20:32]
xmj ... [20:33]
mats_cd03 the HN comments are worrying [20:33]
mats_cd03 some dummies with the 'oh its been goin on for a while now, nbd' ... [20:33]
ben_vulpes 'this time is different' [20:33]
xmj thing is [20:33]
xmj what ben says [20:33]
xmj as soon as people start saying This Time Is Different [20:33]
xmj and start rationalizing/hamstering WHY [20:34]
mats_cd03 and then there's this, "I do agree valuations are artificially inflated, but before you start drawing parallels to 1999 and every financial bubble of years past remember there are companies with real revenue streams. Sure, there are the snapchat valuations which have no basis, but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?" [20:34]
asciilifeform hamstering !? [20:34]
* mats_cd03 facepalms [20:34]
xmj then its gonna be daaaaaaangerous not to be in a cashflow positive business [20:34]
asciilifeform as in, in arse ? [20:34]
ben_vulpes "arse hamster machine" [20:34]
xmj asciilifeform: hamstering as in rationalization hamster that runs in his wheel [20:34]
asciilifeform lol [20:34]
xmj ben_vulpes: go explain asciilifeform about that one please [20:34]
* asciilifeform though something slightly different [20:34]
xmj I DON'T WANNA. [20:34]
mats_cd03 "hamstering" is not something that has evar been a thing [20:34]
punkman what is a rationalization hamster? [20:35]
ben_vulpes no thanks. it's retarded pua shit. [20:35]
mats_cd03 you can't go and just coin your own things, man! [20:35]
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* asciilifeform pictured the inquisitorial, then nazi, arse-rat-system [20:35]
xmj dont remember who coined it [20:35]
xmj asciilifeform: just 'cuz i'm german. [20:35]
kakobrekla mats_cd03 at this point you can coin your own coin. [20:35]
asciilifeform see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#511605 [20:35]
assbot Logged on 17-02-2014 19:11:41; asciilifeform: here, author is almost certainly satisfying his own desires: http://actualhistory.ru/app/var/pub/files/86/41776_image_large.jpg [20:35]
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mats_cd03 anyway -- 'uber, airbnb' being companies that deserve bn USD valuations... apparently middle-men with no moats are incredibly valuable nao [20:36]
asciilifeform 'rectomurine cryptoanalysis.' [20:36]
ben_vulpes i can see that backfiring, asciilifeform [20:36]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ? [20:36]
ben_vulpes what about the guy who's into that sort of wriggling around? [20:36]
ben_vulpes (also, bad puns on the rear end) [20:36]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: is he also 'into' the rat emerging from other side? [20:37]
asciilifeform idea is, he tunnels through. [20:37]
xmj ahahaha [20:37]
ben_vulpes bleaugh [20:37]
xmj the idea of having a rat tunnel through on the rear end.. sounds BAD. [20:38]
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kakobrekla theres another story where they just put the rat on your belly and cover it so it cant escape. what happens is an exercise to the alert reader. [20:38]
mats_cd03 is that soviet in origin asciilifeform? i noticed the idea first, in cult phenomenon Game of Thrones [20:39]
asciilifeform mats_cd03: at least 1000 years old. [20:39]
mats_cd03 makes sense. what am i thinking. [20:39]
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ben_vulpes 'abdominomurine etc' [20:40]
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mircea_popescu 'this time is different' << win. [20:42]
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mircea_popescu but do uber, airbnb, dropbox, and the like not deserve billion dollar valuations?" <<< i agree that other people's shit stinks but isn't my doodoo all perfumed ?! [20:42]
ben_vulpes this consulting short isn't really that great of a short actually [20:43]
mircea_popescu what is a rationalization hamster? << supposedly what women do when they've been rejected by a magical boy of magic, they go in a corner and worry and obsessively rethink the experience. [20:44]
mircea_popescu this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting. [20:44]
penguirker New blog post: https://www.bcoinnews.com/bfl-ftc/ [20:44]
mircea_popescu the whole charade's a sort of "fine when we do it, evil/bad/wrong when they do it" thing. [20:44]
mircea_popescu and i mean both for VCs and for PUAs, and come to think about it the difference is negligible. [20:44]
ben_vulpes sure, it guarantees cash in pocket instead of worthless paper when the music stops, but all i'm left with when the music stops is a company that makes software in competition with all the other shartup engineers. [20:44]
ben_vulpes and maybe some cash. [20:45]
ben_vulpes supply, demand... [20:45]
ben_vulpes this is fundamentally different from what the boy in question does, on forums and while commuting. << pah yup [20:45]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes> sure, it guarantees << duh. [20:45]
ben_vulpes nothing is guaranteed, okay fine. [20:46]
mircea_popescu the difference between the shorts we want our shorts to be and the shorts our shorts actually are is the one thing that sinks businesses. [20:47]
mircea_popescu the ONLY one thing. [20:47]
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ben_vulpes the only leg i can see hedging are btc holdings [20:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1034 @ 0.00055513 = 0.574 BTC [-] {6} [20:49]
mats_cd03 http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2673311 [20:51]
assbot Security Collapse in the HTTPS Market - ACM Queue [20:51]
mats_cd03 via /. [20:51]
ben_vulpes https://www.trustedsec.com/september-2014/shellshock-dhcp-rce-proof-concept/ [20:51]
assbot Shellshock DHCP RCE Proof of Concept - [20:51]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: lol! [20:52]
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ben_vulpes reel reel reel reel bad [20:54]
asciilifeform the mice, the mice. [20:54]
mircea_popescu o look. it's not that mpex didn't get hacked [20:57]
mircea_popescu it's that EVERYONE ELSE DID [20:58]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/a-putea-putere/ [20:58]
mircea_popescu i suppose every single entity in online finance, from paypal to icbc will now come and leave a comment on trilema saying "sorry, we're fucking stupid, you're right" [20:58]
mircea_popescu because the world is fair and people rational. [20:58]
mircea_popescu not like they'll cary on derping about "ux" and how their shit is worth not just money, but billions of it. [20:59]
mircea_popescu a well. [20:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: putere << it all works fine in ru. [21:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try it. [21:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah. [21:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2013#411896 [21:00]
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assbot Logged on 08-12-2013 16:40:53; mircea_popescu: and the same princuople goes to the "devteam" retards implememnting pki [21:00]
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mircea_popescu i seriously expect the entire world to now bow down to my superiority and explicitly recognise its inferiority, as a wholy owned, substantive characteristic of their own. [21:01]
mircea_popescu none of this "but mp, you never gave any proof". there's your motherfuc king proof now stfu and shine my boots. [21:01]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform this whole fiasco reminds me of naggum's discussion of the y2k thing. [21:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: precisely it [21:02]
asciilifeform http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3140985758772364@naggum.no.html [21:03]
assbot Re: Is LISP dying? - Naggum cll archive [21:03]
mircea_popescu the one thing all those idiots will never say is exactly the only thing they should be saying at all : this other guy didn't do it, he is our king, our lord, our sovereign, and so much better than we may even aspire to one day be. [21:03]
thestringpuller http://cogcoop.com/ [21:07]
assbot COG Site [21:07]
ben_vulpes what is a bitcoin application? [21:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 750 @ 0.00169999 = 1.275 BTC [+] {3} [21:08]
mats_cd03 its social good through financial freedom, man. [21:08]
ben_vulpes financial freedom is the only social good [21:09]
asciilifeform 'another way to look at this is to see that software in today's society has a number of diseased elements, to consider that maggots eat only diseased or dead tissue, that dead or dying software projects lie around all over the place, like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers, and pretend that you're a maggot. you wouldn't care about the living and the healthy who prosper outside th [21:09]
asciilifeform e war zone, you'd rush to the war zone to join the feeding frenzy, right? so, to complete the grim picture, software in our society is diseased, the activity you read about are all about cleaning up the disasters and surviving the equivalent of plagues, and it just takes a tremendous amount of people and work to keep the whole system from dying, like the incredibly stupid year-2000 problem.' [21:09]
asciilifeform 'to take but one simple example: suppose you thought of the new millennium when you wrote your application back in 1972 -- not only wouldn't you be invited to the party, those who knew you had done it right from the start and who probably laughed at you at the time would positively hate you now, and they sure as hell wouldn't tell people about you. and the more stupid they are, the more important it would be to [21:09]
asciilifeform pretend that nobody was smart enough to see the next millennium coming.' [21:09]
asciilifeform (herr naggum) [21:09]
thestringpuller RIP Naggum [21:10]
thestringpuller His story is as tragic as a jazz musician. [21:10]
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mats_cd03 i thought the eulogy was beautifully written [21:18]
mircea_popescu like a horrible war zone between ignorant users and frightened managers << the exact fucking problem. [21:19]
mats_cd03 if not terrible. almost as though she read "Speaker of the Dead", and thought, "ill do that, but better." [21:19]
mircea_popescu a frightened manager is about as useful as a punctured set of wellington boots. [21:19]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 naggum's ? yes, formaly it's great. [21:19]
mircea_popescu substantively i find it offensive. [21:19]
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kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/2Y/SL/4sFlbIcT/this-time-next-year.png [21:26]
kakobrekla we will be millionaires! [21:26]
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mircea_popescu lol [21:31]
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chetty http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/fired-ups-worker-accused-of-stealing-160k-diamond-trading-it-for-20-worth-of-marijuana [21:36]
assbot Fired UPS worker Walter Earl Morrison accused of stealing $160K diamond, trading it for marijuana - ABC15 Arizona [21:36]
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asciilifeform chetty: lol, they actually sent such a thing via commercial parcel co. instead of courier ? [21:39]
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mats_cd03 i wonder how easy it is to fence diamonds [21:40]
mats_cd03 i suspect it is not really that valuable [21:41]
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mats_cd03 http://www.cnbc.com/id/102033875 >> USSOCOM plugs bitcoin foundation... [21:43]
mats_cd03 "The bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse U.S. foreign policy, and the bitcoin community doesn't necessarily endorse everything the U.S. intelligence community does." But, he said, "things that are morally wrong, bitcoin rejects." ... [21:44]
thestringpuller Bitcoin Foundatoin shouldn't be in the US [21:44]
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thestringpuller There shouldn't be a Bitcoin Foundation at all. [21:45]
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thestringpuller !s web of trust database [22:04]
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thestringpuller http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789979 << for back reference [22:06]
assbot Logged on 11-08-2014 04:12:46; Jason: http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/ [22:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18755 @ 0.000753 = 14.1225 BTC [+] [22:09]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/today-is-the-international-day-of-remembering-how-mircea-popescu-is-better-than-me-and-related-observances/ [22:09]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: how does that much lulz fit in one little screen cap?<< guy kinda looks like a walrus [22:12]
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mircea_popescu kuzetsa: I just audited and apparently I made an assumption which is not true << ahem. [22:13]
thestringpuller yay! how do I celebrate? [22:13]
mircea_popescu Naphex: for all that panic with bash not too many exploits hitting << the good stuff happebed prior to the release. [22:14]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller bake cookies ? [22:14]
thestringpuller already done [22:15]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: today-is-the << great 'muhahahaha!' piece. [22:17]
thestringpuller i love having 18900 trilema credits [22:17]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform gotta do things to the fullest i say [22:18]
mircea_popescu i can almost imagine some guy in say 2035 having to interact with that. [22:18]
thestringpuller this article is the best thing ever [22:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the unsettling discovery is that mass-derp can continue far longer than the example under consideration. e.g., 'crypto ag' still exists, multi-$b, 'unknown' ownership, and... multi-decade loyal customers. [22:19]
asciilifeform there is a particular species of chumpatronium, what one might call a chumpassal (chump, vassal) [22:20]
asciilifeform who demonstrates subservience by volunteering to wear the collar. [22:20]
mircea_popescu hm ? [22:21]
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asciilifeform i think this even came up here once. u.s. corps deliberately closing eyes to back orifices of all kinds, to avoid the red tape of subpoenas [22:21]
asciilifeform quite like the u.s. demand that eu 'galileo' sat. constellation have a u.s.-owned remote 'off' switch - 'or we'll have to shoot' [22:22]
asciilifeform (^ what happened to that? i've no idea, ask them) [22:22]
mircea_popescu not that it changes anything really. [22:22]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform the fact that the eu even considered that demand, and i don't mean answer to it, but even considered it [22:23]
mircea_popescu puts the whole pretense of representativity into question. [22:24]
asciilifeform obligatory, orlov's deer hunter... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750027 [22:24]
assbot Logged on 09-07-2014 00:50:59; asciilifeform: '…we need a word that describes the artifacts generated in response to irrational actors who demand to be fooled. As the old saying goes, “A fool and his money are soon parted” – at the fool’s own insistence, no less! If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term w [22:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.000753 = 30.7977 BTC [+] [22:24]
asciilifeform we have an instance of symbiosis. [22:24]
mircea_popescu i am unconvinced. [22:25]
asciilifeform well, naturally. right now folks have to choose between 'rich and healthy or poor and diseased.' because actual security is expensive (the way unicorn meat is expensive) [22:26]
asciilifeform but if it were an actual option, appealing to beggar and miser alike, then we know if deliberate bending over is the actual phenomenon at work [22:26]
mircea_popescu it's not expensive except in terms of derpage. [22:26]
mircea_popescu "can i wear my pretenses with this five dollar suit ?" "no" "wow what an EXPENSIVE suit!11" [22:27]
asciilifeform this is rather more like how in parts of africa, it would be 'expensive' to hire a man without aids virus [22:27]
asciilifeform i.e. you'd have to fly him in [22:28]
mircea_popescu not so. [22:28]
mircea_popescu that analogy would hold if a) no aids could infect trhe brain ever and b) all human parts were detachable, and cost less than a pill in a us hospital. [22:28]
mircea_popescu 500 bucks buys you six different pairs of legs and arms [22:28]
asciilifeform where do you buy software stack without any dark matter ? [22:29]
mircea_popescu it's... free. [22:30]
* asciilifeform might have a somewhat stricter definition of dark matter... [22:30]
mircea_popescu no, you just don't want to apply management to the philosophical problem. [22:31]
mircea_popescu suppose you have an infinite supply of liars. can you construct an oracle out of this ? [22:32]
asciilifeform i'd happily apply alchemy and astrology, if they worked. [22:32]
asciilifeform depends - what kind of liars. [22:32]
asciilifeform if they're the 'greek' type, that are simply 'not gate', then - sure. [22:32]
mircea_popescu suppose there's at least three different types, and you can identify them. [22:32]
mircea_popescu absolutely. [22:32]
asciilifeform classic puzzler for boys [22:32]
asciilifeform of course yes. [22:32]
mircea_popescu so then. debian, gentoo, bsds, etc. [22:33]
asciilifeform but once you add fools (who can also be liars, but let's not complicate unnecessarily) to the mix... [22:33]
mircea_popescu you don';t add fools to the mix. [22:33]
mircea_popescu we're not building a world where fools have a chance. [22:33]
mircea_popescu fools can be either slaves or dead. [22:33]
asciilifeform generations of fools have shat in the soup, though. [22:34]
mircea_popescu this is like saying "we've lived there forever" [22:34]
asciilifeform e.g. the existence and continued persistence of 'c', x86, etc [22:34]
mircea_popescu say to gengis, see. [22:34]
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chetty http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6N0RP3V020140924 [22:35]
assbot Austrian minister for legal action against EU over UK nuclear plant| Agricultural Commodities| Reuters [22:35]
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mircea_popescu chetty austrians are even more nutso than the germans [22:36]
chetty the line of nutsos is getting long [22:38]
mircea_popescu so today i learned someone came up with the following idea : take n2o4, heat. it dissociates into 2no2. put through turbine, extract work. as it cools and loses pressure n2o4 reforms. compress, cycle. [22:40]
mircea_popescu i should like to see this thing blow up sometime. [22:40]
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mats_cd03 http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/index.html [22:43]
assbot Beheading suspect recently fired, Oklahoma police say - CNN.com [22:43]
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chetty this beheading thing is about at meme status [22:44]
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asciilifeform 'hedsoff.com' [22:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform btw what did you think of the hour of battle rewrite ? [22:49]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was spiffy, you oughta do more sheckleys. [22:50]
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mircea_popescu hm. [22:51]
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mats_cd03 http://twentytwowords.com/girly-things-are-gut-wrenchingly-powerful-when-paired-with-poignant-military-pictures [22:54]
assbot Girly things are gut-wrenchingly powerful when paired with poignant military pictures | 22 Words [22:54]
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mircea_popescu why's this gutwrench[ing] construction become such a staple of chicklit anyway ? [22:55]
mircea_popescu the likeliness of someone having actually witnessed a savaging is pretty much inversely proprotional to the count of "gutwrenching" they used over their lifetime. [22:56]
mats_cd03 perhaps because females are intimately familiar with the particular sensation of gut wrenching? [22:56]
mircea_popescu at best they flatter themselves to be. [22:56]
mats_cd03 who knows. i dangle [22:56]
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mats_cd03 these fucking tumblr things are why personnel advocate for the draft [22:58]
mats_cd03 as misguided as that is, there's something to be said for shared sacrifice [22:58]
mircea_popescu by the way, that dangle reminds me : here's what i currently believe the best dialogue in the history of cinema : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-vu-l8mLE [22:58]
assbot Miller's Crossing -- Take your flunky and dangle - YouTube [22:58]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 there's definitely value in educating teenagers. [22:59]
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bounce what? it's where all the feels are. obviously. [23:04]
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thestringpuller http://i.imgur.com/aRZvMZ6.jpg [23:21]
mats_cd03 thestringpuller: i have an important question for you. [23:22]
mats_cd03 are you like me, and your inner monologue is performed by a black man? [23:22]
mats_cd03 i get this impression from you. perhaps i'm projecting. [23:23]
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thestringpuller well i am a black man. i was just surrounded by white people all my life. [23:25]
thestringpuller so my inner black man is very repressed. like in the chappelle's "When keeping it real goes wrong" [23:25]
mats_cd03 i see [23:26]
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mats_cd03 i am yellow, so i guess i'm like a meat pie [23:27]
bounce pink on the inside, yellow on the outside, and a blackened soul? [23:33]
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mats_cd03 sure [23:38]
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mircea_popescu "At the Munich Satellite Navigation Summit on 10 March 2010, a Chinese government official asked the European Commission why it no longer wanted to work with China, and when China's cash investment in Galileo would be returned." [23:46]
mircea_popescu lel. [23:46]
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