Forum logs for 26 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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asciilifeform	nubbins`: it's supported in the kernel i'm testing	[00:06]
asciilifeform	which may well be the root of the problem	[00:06]
asciilifeform	presently testing a build with this crap removed with hot iron	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron oh i c. stanford technologees!	[00:08]
asciilifeform	decimation: after 'wickard v. filburn', usg gained - perfectly legally - the power to regulate how many shits we may take per week	[00:09]
asciilifeform	on account of this, possibly, having an effect on 'interstate commerce.'	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071933 << what'd that pricepoint be ?	[00:11]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 02:26:12; asciilifeform: decimation: when you get above the 'recycled piss' price point, i suspect the 'valuation' is 100% 'veblen good.'	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	romania has (had ?) some exceptional wines at 5-10 dollars a bottle.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: varies by locale	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: when i say 'above recycled piss pricepoint' it means getting squarely above the 'for the poor' product category in usa	[00:12]
asciilifeform	which exists from wine to shoelaces	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	i broadly agree, but imo veblen-ness behaves strangely, as in : window. from about 100 to maybe 5 or 10k a bottle.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	there's a very proper middle, there's good reason to pay 80 rather than 15.	[00:12]
*	asciilifeform can believe	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	there's a very proper top. there's a good reason to pay 850k	[00:13]
asciilifeform	what reason ?	[00:13]
asciilifeform	that item is now a 'rembrandt' and can be authenticated ?	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	yup.	[00:13]
asciilifeform	for an archaeological artifact - sure.	[00:13]
asciilifeform	but drinking your artifact is lunacy.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	(this perhaps easily conglimerated with veblen - but is not same.	[00:13]
*	asciilifeform knows that it is not the same	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform similar phenomenon with virgin slavegirls.	[00:14]
asciilifeform	a 'rembrandt' here is simply an analogue bitcoin.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	slavegirl either lost virginity around 15 or 20.	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	in the saner 17-18 yo middle, notmany.jpg	[00:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00022633 = 4.8321 BTC [+]	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071949 << the importnat part there is the 2nd clause. im sure buncha idiot nerds were becoming a pain.	[00:18]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 02:34:59; assbot: Michigan legislation would make using drones to hunt or harass hunters a crime ... ( http://bit.ly/1xAmhbS )	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, hunting from flight already soundly illegal.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo it occurs to me, that shavers character is like out of a novel. first he gets a civil supoena that he doens't ignore. then he self represents. and doesn't do homework. then he loses the suit. civil suit. he loses it. then he pleads not guilty in criminal proceedings.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	hell, in usa electronically setting off the shell is banned	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	someone needs to tell him this civil-criminal thing is as close as it gets to double jeopardy in the us	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	and preserved deliberately - to fuck up... well, basically, him.	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	It really is	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	Then again the major reason to retain an attorney in the us is to avoid spam	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ?	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	"The average tip amount across all platforms is has fallen to ~$0.91, while the average tip amount on reddit is only ~$0.37… we can do better!"	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	and PART TIME.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	incredibly cheap, these clay footed giants.	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu> how exactly is this strat supposed to go : i couldn't make the "preponderence of evidence" standard but i'll make the "absolute proof" ? << That or make preponderance of evidence standard use as proof in criminal case	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071956 << drone meets buckshot tho... almost worth doing just to film it	[00:23]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 02:38:56; BingoBoingo: decimation: Depends on what you are armed with. Shooting with shotgun fine. Proper rifle... Hard to tell when/where bullet is coming down after impact.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo but the usg (through usg->da) has already evaluated that	[00:23]
asciilifeform	just to film it << the chinese filmed it recently	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	you basing yourself on the theory usg->judge will != usg->da ?	[00:23]
asciilifeform	(link in log somewhere)	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1071960 << "withstand" is pretty fuckin dangerous.	[00:24]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 02:40:21; PeterL: sounds like a great new sport, like skeet shooting, but the target can move in any direction, just need to make a drone that is either so cheap it's disposable or which can withstand shotgun hits	[00:24]
asciilifeform	and for the type of flying machine normally encountered, 'birdshot' ought to suffice	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	best way to lose an eye is shoot shotguns at armored targets.	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Oh my strategy? I retain lawyers because it forces opposition to route annoying phone calls through attorney	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	not yours lol. his.	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	Consider the example of a US bankruptcy case. You can cheaply and easily represent yourself if indigent, however you have to handle communications with all of the debtors, or... You scrape together enough to retain an attorney who has a process for handling that annoyance and also retain your sanity.	[00:28]
decimation	re: wine < yeah my perception is that > $10-15 is generally good. more expensive wines are also good, but there are loads of pretenders trying to get by on geography	[00:28]
decimation	once had an excellent german trockenbeernauslese for $50 and it was worth every penny	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed	[00:29]
BingoBoingo	But the shavers strategy seems to be only notable in the sense he pulled off a mega fraud in a space which at the time was especially gullible and vulnerable to mega fraud.	[00:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33227 @ 0.00022613 = 7.5136 BTC [-] {3}	[00:29]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo or you could just pipe awk through sed << Hard on the phone.	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	you're not required to communicate via phone are you ?	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	what's this, mandatory webcam bankruptcy court ?	[00:30]
BingoBoingo	USia, seriously messed up in the things people expect, legally	[00:30]
nubbins`	building cross-compile toolchain is slo-o-o-o-o-o-ow	[00:30]
decimation	bankruptcy without debtor's prison is just silly	[00:32]
trinque	as is debtors prison without real money	[00:32]
decimation	heh good point	[00:32]
asciilifeform	usaschwitz is a gigantic open-air debtor's prison already.	[00:32]
nubbins`	debtor's prison = university	[00:33]
nubbins`	they make you go first, before you owe the money	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, nubbins`. it'd be a lot better if the tit knew it's caged.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	kinda what i like about eastern european campuses.	[00:33]
mircea_popescu	the tit doth know.	[00:33]
nubbins`	the tit abides	[00:33]
decimation	mircea_popescu: have you found any particularly good south american wines?	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	nope. i've found plenty perfectly acceptable tho.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	actually, finding a bad one's more challenging.	[00:36]
decimation	yeah I've never been disappointed in random $10 malbec from chile/ar	[00:37]
danielpbarron	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA0W9GXUcAAch26.jpg	[00:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1bvIC06 )	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	i tihnk that;s pretty much it.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	honestly, i wouldn't expect exceptional out of vineyards that aren;t even 500 years old.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	but they do get the reasonable down pat.	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7801 @ 0.00022581 = 1.7615 BTC [-] {2}	[00:38]
decimation	heh. of course many of those french vineyards were decimated by the phylloxera plague	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	doesn't really matter. terroir's terroir..	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	people know wtf this is. etc.	[00:40]
nubbins`	whoops. dat make clean.	[00:40]
decimation	mircea_popescu: yes, indeed it is	[00:40]
decimation	bourdeaux has been overpriced by chinese bezzlars, but it is also legitimately fine tasting	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	also somewhat of an aquired taste.	[00:42]
decimation	for folks who are dubious about the specifics, you can generally pick out particular flavors on the 'flavor wheel' like one shown here: http://www.thewinecellarinsider.com/wine-topics/wine-educational-questions/davis-aroma-wheel/	[00:44]
assbot	Wine Aroma Wheel from UC Davis ... ( http://bit.ly/1IxbeRC )	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	srsly, vinegar, alcohol and sulphur dioxide in the same box ?	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	mkay... nm.	[00:47]
decimation	cabernet sauvignon (one of the bordeaux grapes) often has a tobacco flavor for instance	[00:48]
decimation	the impressive thing really is that the knowledgeable winemaker can bring out so many different flavors with just grapes, yeast, toasted oak, and time	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	"tobacco flavour" is kinda like "beautiful woman looks", but hey	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	it's not really like carving. it's farming.	[00:49]
decimation	farming and processing	[00:51]
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asciilifeform	'What is the cause of a corked wine? The culprit is usually one of two reasons, TCA, which is short for 2, 4,6 Trichloroanisole. TCA is a type of fungus that occurs naturally. Because TCA is a natural fungi present in the bark of the cork tree, it can be easily be taken into the cork.' << who wants to kill something after reading this	[00:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00022717 = 4.8842 BTC [+] {2}	[00:58]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069941 << I can recieve and store pallet; have access to dock plate / forklift / pallet jack / etc	[00:58]
assbot	Logged on 25-03-2015 05:12:04; mircea_popescu: nubbins` can you store a pellet ?	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	cool, but meanwhoile the pellet seemed dudsy	[01:00]
danielpbarron	for future reference if the right unit comes up	[01:01]
nubbins`	i read it as pallet earlier. i can store pellets.	[01:01]
danielpbarron	at 2 USD per, that's still a great deal	[01:01]
danielpbarron	the blue unit is very nice too	[01:02]
asciilifeform	was.	[01:02]
nubbins`	wonder if "national liquidation" selling em on amazon would cut a deal	[01:02]
nubbins`	probably no huge incentive for them to	[01:03]
danielpbarron	not with the sudden surge of people buying "crates" of them	[01:03]
danielpbarron	wow that thing went for 400 ?? that's probably what it cost to ship them	[01:04]
danielpbarron	oh only 100 units, that's hardly a pallet	[01:05]
nubbins`	nope	[01:09]
nubbins`	those were open-box too	[01:09]
asciilifeform	were.	[01:10]
asciilifeform	srsly this is a mighty long thread about a dead'n'gone item	[01:10]
nubbins`	:D	[01:10]
nubbins`	people are still talking about the ussr 8)	[01:10]
asciilifeform	that's different - lenin lives forever (TM) l0l	[01:11]
nubbins`	i just sent the liquidators a message, we'll see	[01:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00022568 = 2.0988 BTC [-]	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform its more about sorting out logistics imo	[01:16]
asciilifeform	aha then	[01:17]
*	asciilifeform still trying to build a kernel without wdt	[01:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00023592 = 5.7682 BTC [+] {2}	[01:20]
asciilifeform	(not as simple as merely disabling it in config, 'buildroot' is very particular re: how it reads layers of configs)	[01:20]
asciilifeform	done.	[01:20]
asciilifeform	now...	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	http://40.media.tumblr.com/fcfb1d8283bdbd71d50896fb45a81f9f/tumblr_ngnq0hPBx31qfz2j8o1_500.jpg	[01:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GpJ9wh )	[01:21]
asciilifeform	....	[01:21]
asciilifeform	ticktocktick...	[01:21]
asciilifeform	not dead yet..	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	poor africa.	[01:22]
asciilifeform	methinks i nailed it.	[01:22]
nubbins`	woo!	[01:22]
asciilifeform	(see thread for wtf a watchdog timer is and how i knew to look for it)	[01:22]
asciilifeform	i do so wonder what kinda joker initialized it AND LEFT IT ON	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:25]
nubbins`	who let the watchdog out ;/	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	who! wohwho	[01:26]
asciilifeform	6813dfeaa3b1412501acd64c06042cdf9854a44296b529a226c624455085943e1f0ab15580f764abede77b07a4fd162227fc7a9095d21673a078f11a000c0e7e turdel-with-rootfs.gz	[01:27]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel-with-rootfs.gz	[01:27]
asciilifeform	^ this can be booted into for lulz	[01:27]
asciilifeform	root pw is ''	[01:27]
asciilifeform	no rootfs partition is needed as i crammed it in	[01:27]
asciilifeform	contains basic utils	[01:27]
nubbins`	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/03/25/1917255/radioshack-puts-customer-data-up-for-sale-in-bankruptcy-auction	[01:28]
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assbot	RadioShack Puts Customer Data Up For Sale In Bankruptcy Auction - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL4kr )	[01:28]
asciilifeform	i forgot to include sata	[01:28]
asciilifeform	will do that tomorrow	[01:28]
mod6	http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-x86_32-bitcoind-static.txt	[01:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1GpL9og )	[01:28]
mod6	danielpbarron: ^^^	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[01:28]
asciilifeform	after turdel/kernel is nailed down, i will post deterministic build for it	[01:29]
asciilifeform	starting with a particular checkout of 'buildroot'	[01:29]
asciilifeform	and buncha diffs	[01:29]
asciilifeform	same as i did for, well, the rest	[01:29]
nubbins`	rad, i'll be trying this	[01:29]
nubbins`	so this all fits in nand?	[01:29]
asciilifeform	the idea in my mind is to eventually have the whole shebang build from buildroot	[01:29]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: <5MB total	[01:29]
*	nubbins` claps	[01:29]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: this is kernel and all userland	[01:29]
nubbins`	amazing	[01:30]
asciilifeform	obviously no bitcoind in there, yet	[01:30]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[01:30]
asciilifeform	nothing esp. astonishing here	[01:30]
nubbins`	step at a time	[01:30]
asciilifeform	this is about how big a non-developer's linux ought to be	[01:30]
danielpbarron	Welcome to Buildroot	[01:30]
danielpbarron	buildroot login: root	[01:30]
danielpbarron	#	[01:30]
asciilifeform	try dmesg	[01:30]
asciilifeform	and top	[01:30]
asciilifeform	etc.	[01:30]
danielpbarron	neato	[01:31]
asciilifeform	most of the comforts of home, are there.	[01:31]
asciilifeform	i'ma leave it running overnight	[01:32]
danielpbarron	i can do that too if it helps	[01:32]
mod6	cool!	[01:32]
asciilifeform	in case there are other clock surprises	[01:32]
danielpbarron	i should unplug the serial connector though right?	[01:32]
asciilifeform	why?	[01:32]
danielpbarron	you said it overheats?	[01:32]
asciilifeform	wai wat ?!!	[01:32]
mod6	danielpbarron: and yah, im pulling blocks, need -nodnsseed though	[01:32]
asciilifeform	never said any such thing	[01:33]
asciilifeform	if heatsink is removed - yes, overheats	[01:33]
asciilifeform	but why remove it	[01:33]
asciilifeform	my serial cable goes right through the closed case	[01:33]
asciilifeform	i didn't even drill the latter	[01:33]
asciilifeform	just sorta crushed it in there	[01:33]
danielpbarron	ohh	[01:33]
danielpbarron	you meant the pogo board	[01:33]
mod6	ok im gonna shutdown this aws instance.	[01:33]
danielpbarron	yeah i reclosed my unit	[01:34]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: feel free to screw the box shut	[01:34]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:34]
asciilifeform	so no reason to unplug the serial cable, ever	[01:34]
asciilifeform	i have no idea how anyone could have gotten the notion that this causes overheating	[01:34]
danielpbarron	overheating of the serial adapter, not the pogo	[01:35]
danielpbarron	but clearly i misunderstood you	[01:35]
asciilifeform	wat?!?!!	[01:35]
asciilifeform	can't even imagine how chinese that adapter would have to be	[01:35]
asciilifeform	to ever begin to overheat	[01:36]
danielpbarron	!b 5	[01:36]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TKX3SN.txt )	[01:36]
danielpbarron	just had this show up:	[01:37]
danielpbarron	# random: nonblocking pool is initialized	[01:37]
nubbins`	heh.	[01:37]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: i must remind you - and everyone else here - that pogo has no rng.	[01:37]
asciilifeform	none at all	[01:37]
asciilifeform	not even a very bad one.	[01:37]
nubbins`	ok, sorry, this turdel, what am i doing with it once gunzipped?	[01:37]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: it's a kernel	[01:37]
asciilifeform	you can boot a pogo with it	[01:38]
danielpbarron	can it be used with net console?	[01:38]
asciilifeform	doesn't dhcp by default, so no	[01:38]
asciilifeform	i just tested the nic	[01:39]
danielpbarron	i don't think mine does dhcp and still works	[01:39]
asciilifeform	nic works	[01:39]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: odd	[01:39]
danielpbarron	i don't mean now that it's booted	[01:39]
danielpbarron	imean in uboot	[01:39]
asciilifeform	i didn't change the uboot	[01:40]
danielpbarron	setenv serverip 192...	[01:40]
asciilifeform	dear glub	[01:40]
danielpbarron	yeah i know, i mean whatever thing i put on it	[01:40]
asciilifeform	uboot is in a separate nand partition	[01:40]
asciilifeform	i didn't touch it	[01:40]
asciilifeform	what i put up just now as turdel-with-rootfs is just a kernel	[01:40]
asciilifeform	i don't even flash these in, booting from lan	[01:40]
danielpbarron	same	[01:40]
asciilifeform	or probably would've worn out my nand already	[01:40]
danielpbarron	i mean that i had previously flashed in a different uboot	[01:41]
asciilifeform	and booting arch every time i do a build would be retarded	[01:41]
danielpbarron	one that lets me set a serverip	[01:41]
asciilifeform	ah	[01:41]
asciilifeform	but that normally doesn't get you past the kernel jump-in	[01:41]
danielpbarron	as it boots it says "so and so is alive'	[01:41]
asciilifeform	after that it goes straight out ttyS0	[01:41]
asciilifeform	so danielpbarron's 'works' does not mean logging in through netconsole ?	[01:42]
asciilifeform	as in, to the shell	[01:42]
danielpbarron	i have not tried with the thing you just made	[01:42]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:42]
asciilifeform	ok more logical	[01:42]
asciilifeform	don't expect that to work	[01:43]
asciilifeform	this turdel is strictly for folks with serial ports	[01:43]
asciilifeform	barring any other peculiar surprises, we have a linux kernel that builds for pogo, and runs there	[01:44]
asciilifeform	and an elementary userland to go with it	[01:44]
asciilifeform	('busybox'-based)	[01:44]
asciilifeform	weights slightly under 5MB but can be cut a bit	[01:44]
asciilifeform	*weighs	[01:44]
danielpbarron	trying now	[01:44]
danielpbarron	oh i see what you mean	[01:45]
danielpbarron	i remember why this didn't work with the netbsd one	[01:45]
danielpbarron	what is the point of netcat then?	[01:46]
asciilifeform	which 'this'	[01:46]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: the point of the console-over-netcat was strictly to be able to screw with u-boot (adjust boot device, etc.) without having the serial port	[01:46]
danielpbarron	ah	[01:47]
danielpbarron	ok nevermind, nubbins` learn to solder	[01:47]
asciilifeform	this won't be an issue for much longer	[01:47]
asciilifeform	i'ma fix it so it grabs a dhcp addr. tomorrow.	[01:48]
danielpbarron	i feel a lot more confident to write documentation on that now	[01:48]
asciilifeform	btw this is not what the proper kernel will look like	[01:48]
danielpbarron	i was really confused about netcat to be honest	[01:49]
asciilifeform	because linux supports the nand just fine	[01:49]
asciilifeform	and there is no reason to clutter up the precious ram	[01:49]
asciilifeform	with crap	[01:49]
asciilifeform	userland (incl. bitcoind) will live in nand	[01:49]
asciilifeform	right now they're stuffed in the kernel proper	[01:49]
asciilifeform	when all of this makes sense - i'll post the diff.	[01:50]
danielpbarron	well i'll also leave mine on overnight	[01:50]
danielpbarron	oh btw, what color is the light on yours?	[01:50]
asciilifeform	yellow	[01:50]
danielpbarron	i was gonna call it orange	[01:51]
asciilifeform	this simply means the bicolor is on	[01:51]
asciilifeform	as in, both bits set	[01:51]
danielpbarron	yeah	[01:51]
danielpbarron	it's not green and not red	[01:51]
asciilifeform	laugh, but this also must be fixed	[01:51]
asciilifeform	it'll be most people's only interface to their nodes...	[01:51]
danielpbarron	my arch pogos have working lights	[01:52]
danielpbarron	they are green 24/7	[01:52]
danielpbarron	lol	[01:52]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron: do you remember how to toggle them ?	[01:52]
danielpbarron	no	[01:52]
danielpbarron	i think it's in the debian instructions nubbins` found	[01:53]
danielpbarron	#set archNumber and machid (for LED)	[01:53]
danielpbarron	/tmp/fw_setenv arcNumber 3960	[01:53]
danielpbarron	/tmp/fw_setenv machid F78	[01:53]
asciilifeform	^ this doesn't do anything unless your kernel looks for these numbers	[01:54]
*	assbot gives voice to felipelalli	[01:56]
felipelalli	Hi! I'd like to update this page: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots to add assbot and deedbot- how can I create an user in this wiki? Thank you.	[02:00]
assbot	irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1EGTQ9f )	[02:00]
danielpbarron	;;later tell kakobrekla ^ and me too plz	[02:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:02]
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felipelalli	Let me ask: about Bitcoin OTC WoT or Assbot, there is a public API where I can navigate in all database? Or just trough the irc commands? I want to make a "rank" similar to this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/PageRanks-Example.svg	[02:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OzIDzm )	[02:26]
nubbins`	prolly should have tested tftp before setting it first in the boot order on the pogo	[02:38]
nubbins`	i guess this is as good a time as any to call it a night	[02:38]
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BingoBoingo	!up Vexual	[03:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24832 @ 0.00022652 = 5.6249 BTC [+] {3}	[03:05]
Vexual	ohimjust here for the plonk data	[03:07]
Vexual	i heard cork, bordeaux 2 euro,	[03:07]
Vexual	might have to buy this pogo thing too	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	dude asciilifeform talking to danielpbarron is breaking my stack. same length names!	[03:08]
Vexual	hey popescue, two bottle of wine, one better than the other, which do you drink first?	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	the other.	[03:16]
Vexual	same	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072204 << it has just as good a one as normal pc : ethernet board	[03:19]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 04:33:21; asciilifeform: not even a very bad one.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	felipelalli yes you can query it with curl. it spits out json if you append json to any dir	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[03:22]
assbot	irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2qvKF )	[03:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16384 @ 0.00022509 = 3.6879 BTC [-]	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	!up Vexual	[03:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00021915 = 2.1915 BTC [-] {2}	[03:40]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeW9_5kURI	[03:42]
Vexual	portlands changed	[03:43]
Vexual	i guess that what parole is	[03:44]
Vexual	;;lasercats	[03:44]
gribble	Error: "lasercats" is not a valid command.	[03:44]
Vexual	my eyes!	[03:44]
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Vexual	fuck if you cant bankruot without a name change tho	[03:51]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGLx4zzMdRA	[03:57]
Vexual	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZF7-hSGWA	[04:04]
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*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[14:40]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com	[14:40]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014	[14:40]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), send me "!up" in a private message to get an OTP. You must have a sufficient WoT rating. If you do not have a WoT account or sufficient rating, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary voice.	[14:40]
mod6	I dunno anymore. It used to be different.	[14:40]
mircea_popescu	o wow check that out, 15s!	[14:42]
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mod6	is there a way to visually see the ratings for a given nick with assbot?	[14:42]
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mircea_popescu	o wow check that out, 15s!	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	iamsopoor.jpg	[14:42]
mod6	!gettrust mod6 assbot	[14:44]
assbot	Trust relationship from user mod6 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 8 via 4 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/mod6/assbot \| http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot	[14:44]
mike_c	mod6: soon. it'll be public after conference.	[14:45]
mod6	krad	[14:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 235486 @ 0.00015906 = 37.4564 BTC [+] {3}	[14:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125550 @ 0.00016085 = 20.1947 BTC [+]	[14:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 873079 @ 0.00016333 = 142.6 BTC [+] {3}	[14:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00019321 = 1.9514 BTC [+]	[14:53]
mod6	!t m s.mpoe	[14:55]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0001443 / 0.00017661 / 0.00025392 (3033844 shares, 535.82 BTC), 7D: 0.0001443 / 0.00024898 / 0.00030622 (13265892 shares, 3,303.03 BTC), 30D: 0.0001443 / 0.00034046 / 0.0004493 (82819096 shares, 28,197.34 BTC)	[14:55]
mod6	!gettrust assbot nubbins`	[14:58]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubbins`: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubbins%60 \| http://w.b-a.link/user/nubbins%60	[14:58]
mod6	Hey nubbins`: if you're not signed up to the btc-dev list, now is not a horrible time. You wouldn't mind sending your OSX steps there (in a clearsigned message) would you?	[14:59]
nubbins`	oh, sure. here's the thing tho	[15:01]
mod6	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz << this thing	[15:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D2nQl9 )	[15:01]
mod6	ok	[15:01]
nubbins`	i'mma have to set up a new pgp key	[15:01]
mod6	ah, ok. best day to do that is today.	[15:01]
nubbins`	o?	[15:01]
mod6	well, so the saying goes :]	[15:02]
mod6	anyway, thanks in advance.	[15:02]
nubbins`	heh, np.	[15:02]
mod6	It'd be nice to have it in there anyway, signed by yourself. And then I can mention it in this months address as well.	[15:03]
nubbins`	anyone got a guide for assbot wot handy?	[15:03]
mod6	!help	[15:03]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[15:03]
nubbins`	ty	[15:03]
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nubbins`	i'm gonna need to rate my key but i guess i hafta register it with assbot first	[15:03]
nubbins`	wait, i can just !changekey, right?	[15:04]
mod6	i don't think you can rate yourself.	[15:04]
nubbins`	mod6 i use separate pgp keys for various things	[15:04]
mod6	yeah, changekey should do it. but don't listen to me. i r dumb. ask kako to make sure.	[15:04]
nubbins`	the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with	[15:04]
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mod6	ah, no worries, this can wait until later, days or weeks if needed.	[15:05]
nubbins`	nah, i'll get it done	[15:05]
mod6	i was just hoping for before 31st of march. :]	[15:05]
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*	nubsy searches for gpg cheat sheet	[15:07]
*	nubsy is now known as nubbins`	[15:08]
nubbins`	!rate nubsy 10 top kek	[15:08]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/39eaf513bb3f09f9	[15:08]
nubbins`	o right	[15:08]
asciilifeform	the one i use here is, uh, not the one i should be signing foundation releases with << care to explain why ?	[15:08]
asciilifeform	(not that there is anything necessarily wrong with this)	[15:09]
nubbins`	note email address attached to 3C84 4002	[15:09]
nubbins`	(pinkeyeprints@gmail.com)	[15:09]
asciilifeform	aha	[15:10]
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nubbins`	while ostensibly pink eye has business using a gpg key around these parts, it's hard for me to justify "signing foundation code releases" as a relevant business activity	[15:10]
nubbins`	now, where was i	[15:10]
nubbins`	mod6 i can just dump clearsigned text into the body, yes?	[15:13]
mod6	Yes, Sir.	[15:14]
nubbins`	ok, sent	[15:15]
nubbins`	like i said earlier, these steps should be relatively impervious to future code changes	[15:16]
mod6	I don't see it in there, but the mailatronic has been known to snarf messages at will.	[15:16]
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nubbins`	i just registered the key with assbot	[15:17]
mod6	Maybe we can get jurov to take a peek. If not, post your clearsigned message to pastebin and maybe I can clearsign your clearsigned message and send it myself.	[15:17]
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nubbins`	maybe it hasn't refreshed yet	[15:17]
mod6	aight, we'll give it a day.	[15:17]
nubbins`	!gettrust assbot nubsy	[15:17]
assbot	Trust relationship from user assbot to user nubsy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. \| http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/nubsy \| http://w.b-a.link/user/nubsy	[15:17]
mod6	no problem. thanks for putting the work in there and getting that going!	[15:17]
nubbins`	hey, np	[15:17]
nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DGCB4D13	[15:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1D2r5ce )	[15:18]
nubbins`	^ set to expire in 1 week	[15:18]
nubbins`	just in case	[15:18]
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mod6	ok sweet.	[15:19]
mod6	;;later tell jurov did you see any weirdness from Mailman regarding nubbins`'s OSX clearsigned message on 2015.03.26?	[15:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[15:20]
nubbins`	haha fuck.	[15:20]
nubbins`	i sent it from the wrong account	[15:20]
nubbins`	sec	[15:21]
mod6	haha	[15:21]
mod6	ok	[15:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39882 @ 0.00019551 = 7.7973 BTC [+]	[15:22]
nubbins`	ok, sent	[15:22]
nubbins`	if that doesn't show up, either we gotta wait for key list to refresh or there's some other strange	[15:22]
*	nubbins` would not be surprised if ML doesn't poll assbot wot very frequently	[15:23]
jurov	haven't you just created the key?	[15:23]
jurov	no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually blushes	[15:23]
nubbins`	the key itself is old, i just reg'd it with assbot 15 mins ago	[15:23]
nubbins`	oh you! :D	[15:23]
nubbins`	nickname "nubsy"	[15:23]
nubbins`	7C77 9724	[15:24]
nubbins`	FWIW it's not the sort of thing that needs to poll just yet	[15:24]
mod6	yeah, agree. it doesn't need that functionallity yet.	[15:25]
mod6	thanks jurov	[15:25]
nubbins`	yeah tyvm, let me know when updated and i'll resend	[15:27]
nubbins`	height=206724	[15:29]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg10894583#msg10894583	[15:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1D2u2JM )	[15:32]
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mod6	jeeze	[15:34]
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nubbins`	"hai guise where my maniez? i email"	[15:38]
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nubbins`	Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders;	[15:45]
nubbins`	heh	[15:45]
nubbins`	Dr Les (went to school w/ important people) Sachs	[15:45]
asciilifeform	again he can be a martian if he wants	[15:45]
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nubbins`	but if martian is a synonym for obvious attention-seeker...	[15:46]
nubbins`	(what's up with the CV as a footnote?)	[15:46]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: there are far more tedious and less apparently factual 'seekers' who get considerably more attention	[15:46]
asciilifeform	and sachs gives testable hypotheses	[15:47]
nubbins`	granted	[15:47]
asciilifeform	which is why i don't give a damn what he is	[15:47]
asciilifeform	the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him	[15:47]
asciilifeform	this is testable right from where you're sitting.	[15:47]
nubbins`	"Former USA resident who risked being tortured to death, attempting defence of human and Constitutional rights inside the United States, facing down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone because US lawyers cower in fear before bribed US judges;"	[15:47]
nubbins`	Major Accomplishments:	[15:47]
nubbins`	Faced down terrorist gangster lawyers in a US courtroom, alone	[15:48]
nubbins`	Formerly lived in a glass-bottomed boat with oars made of flame	[15:48]
asciilifeform	i get it, pattern-matches 'nuttery'	[15:48]
nubbins`	anyway, i'm just poking fun of the chrome here	[15:48]
nubbins`	not addressing the content of the thing 8)	[15:49]
nubbins`	which, on the face, is no more or less plausible than the understanding anyone else is operating under	[15:49]
asciilifeform	the bells and gongs sticking out of that thing make it considerably less palatable, yes, which i suspect is the only reason sachs is still alive	[15:50]
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asciilifeform	note that there is no public communique from harvart 'this fella never went here' (whether factual or not)	[15:52]
asciilifeform	*harvard	[15:52]
nubbins`	ugh	[15:56]
nubbins`	guy's websites are a fuckin pain to read	[15:56]
nubbins`	maybe there's truth in here?	[15:56]
nubbins`	i couldn't be fucked to read another page of it	[15:56]
asciilifeform	i pasted in some of the highlights.	[15:56]
asciilifeform	(earlier today)	[15:57]
asciilifeform	he is not a master of the english language.	[15:57]
nubbins`	nor a master of not encasing the entire page in	[15:57]
asciilifeform	but despite the superficial flavour, i don't get the usual 'schizo' vibe from it.	[15:57]
nubbins`	how the fuck is someone supposed to parse this	[15:57]
nubbins`	i dunno man, the one page about cromwell i read was nutted out	[15:57]
asciilifeform	wai wat	[15:58]
nubbins`	cornwell, w/e	[15:58]
asciilifeform	this is where?	[15:58]
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nubbins`	http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/new-us-federal-court-lawsuit.html	[15:58]
assbot	New US Federal Court lawsuit involving Patricia Cornwell -	[15:58]
nubbins`	here's a snippet	[15:58]
nubbins`	Cornwell quickly denounces the "dirty Jews", the "filthy Jews". Indeed, attacking Jews is a real passion for the neo-Nazi Cornwell, while at the same time engaging in the 'Pleasures of Adolf Eichmann', Cornwell's hiring of dishonest Jews to do dirty jobs for her, a 'pet Jew' whom Cornwell can dominate.	[15:59]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sachs.txt << minus the css. just for you.	[15:59]
asciilifeform	^ mirror	[15:59]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EHB6Gy )	[15:59]
nubbins`	ty	[15:59]
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asciilifeform	at any rate, herr sachs has not posited any martian armies taking over earth. instead, he connected a number of dots which are plain as daylight	[16:01]
asciilifeform	and are there for anyone who wants to see them.	[16:01]
nubbins`	o/	[16:02]
asciilifeform	snowden (or whatever bourbaki is responsible for writing his public-facing garbage) insulted the intelligence of the entire planet a thousand times	[16:02]
asciilifeform	and somehow it all washed.	[16:02]
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asciilifeform	from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions	[16:03]
asciilifeform	and the multicoloured 'phones'	[16:03]
asciilifeform	etc.	[16:03]
nubbins`	Cornwell's lawyers know this, that attacking and murdering Jews is Cornwell's ultimate fetish and fantasy, to herself become a lesbian Adolf Hitler. Cornwell's longtime lawyers Shumadine and Rudell, mentioned above, took advantage of this back in 2000, when they threatened someone of Jewish heritage with a Jew-baiting extortion letter.	[16:04]
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nubbins`	after clicking 5 links through various pages of gibberish, i find the "jew-baiting" extortion letter	[16:04]
asciilifeform	link?	[16:05]
nubbins`	which turns out to be, essentially, http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-1.jpg	[16:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBLIe )	[16:05]
nubbins`	http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg	[16:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBJjn )	[16:05]
nubbins`	reminds me of the woman who claimed JK Rowling stole her book "Larry Botter" or w/e	[16:05]
nubbins`	anyway	[16:06]
nubbins`	for all i know, this guy is preaching the true word	[16:06]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: mind you, i cannot vouch for his sanity	[16:06]
nubbins`	obv barely hanging on.	[16:06]
asciilifeform	but i am not his shrink and this is not my job.	[16:06]
asciilifeform	not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position.	[16:06]
*	assbot gives voice to Pierre_Rochard	[16:06]
asciilifeform	whatever that may be	[16:06]
nubbins`	at the risk of being blithe, he's a nutter who harasses people he thinks are out to get him	[16:07]
nubbins`	but what do i know.	[16:07]
mike_c	how much are they paying you nubbins`?	[16:07]
asciilifeform	how would you distinguish this animal from the other, very different, species with similar markings ?	[16:07]
nubbins`	mike_c my purpose of being here has been discussed in the past	[16:07]
nubbins`	my salary has not	[16:07]
punkman	https://github.com/chipsec/chipsec	[16:08]
nubbins`	asciilifeform problem is, if the "similar markings" are verbal diarrhoea, i just wouldn't be able to.	[16:08]
assbot	chipsec/chipsec · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EHBULw )	[16:08]
nubbins`	everyone with this type of crazy has the same website	[16:09]
asciilifeform	punkman: requires patching winblows to put kernel in 'dev mode' and removing signature checks. which is readily visible to any decend crapware	[16:09]
nubbins`	endless, endless pages	[16:09]
nubbins`	each with endless, endless paragraphs of text	[16:09]
asciilifeform	punkman: hence no stealth in the analysis	[16:09]
nubbins`	full of hyperbole and exaggeration	[16:09]
nubbins`	the only difference between this guy and a "SHTF" type prepper is the style of the gibberish	[16:10]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: my hypothesis is that this kind of thing is -caused by- rather than -a cause of- the futility of 'shouting in the wilderness'	[16:10]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: the pertinent difference is the testability of the claims and how perfectly they square, imho, with the publicly-available facts.	[16:10]
asciilifeform	none of the other shit ultimately matters.	[16:11]
nubbins`	mine is that it's a piece of breat with nut butter on both sides	[16:11]
nubbins`	but again. i'm not evaluating his claims (how can i? 100% not reading any more), just the way in which he presents himself and his theories	[16:11]
nubbins`	these rambling essays to me are like rounded corners to mp	[16:11]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: the actual facts about usg are sufficiently monstrous that they will trigger -any- reasonable person's immune system the way they triggered yours, if encountered raw in one gigantic torrent	[16:12]
punkman	asciilifeform: doesn't have to run in windows though	[16:12]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: picture how a 'civilian' would view #b-a log if he were to read 'the choice bits'	[16:12]
nubbins`	sure. overwhelming.	[16:12]
asciilifeform	punkman: the uefi variant runs from... within bios?	[16:13]
asciilifeform	punkman: which is one of the objects under test	[16:13]
asciilifeform	how's that supposed to work	[16:13]
nubbins`	woo, got a contact for bulk orders from that other place	[16:15]
nubbins`	"We currently have plenty of them in stock"	[16:15]
asciilifeform	punkman: at any rate, check out the vendor - intel.	[16:15]
nubbins`	OH ALSO	[16:16]
nubbins`	For two days only, save 40% on Pogoplug Unlimited Cloud—just $29 for the first year (reg. $49.95).	[16:16]
nubbins`	;p	[16:16]
asciilifeform	intel is interested in 'platform security' in much the same way that monsanto is interested in your healthy diet.	[16:16]
punkman	asciilifeform: aha, smells like PR	[16:16]
asciilifeform	from what i can tell, the thing reads fw images, tests if smm register is properly locked, etc.	[16:16]
asciilifeform	perfectly pedestrian things.	[16:17]
asciilifeform	but don't be surprised if it makes headlines in the mouthpiece press as a mega-s333k00r1ty-gotterdammerung	[16:17]
*	nubbins` lives on monsanto-free island (for now)	[16:17]
nubbins`	phun phact, newfoundland was england's first overseas colony	[16:18]
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nubbins`	woo	[16:35]
nubbins`	may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0	[16:36]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: "We currently have plenty of them in stock" << may be pessimistic, but i strongly suspect that the $20 stock will evaporate very quickly once the manufacturer realizes what these are being used for.	[16:38]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: not unlike the 'playstation' supercomputing clusters and sony's response	[16:39]
danielpbarron	!up Bagels7	[16:40]
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nubbins`	nod	[16:42]
nubbins`	first guy is already "!!!!"ing me	[16:42]
nubbins`	i suspect he did a google	[16:42]
mod6	<+nubbins`> may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0 << anyone i'd know?	[16:47]
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BingoBoingo	If the bad has a big name it can't be very punk	[16:48]
mod6	what about Fugazi. Or the Melvins? Everyone knows them, they're still punk(tm)	[16:48]
BingoBoingo	Were punk, they were punk, emphasis on the past tense	[16:49]
mod6	Do you consider Strung Out to be a punk band?	[16:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 167100 @ 0.00026674 = 44.5723 BTC [+] {2}	[16:51]
mod6	I heard they're gonna be playing up here. gotta try to catch 'em.	[16:52]
nubbins`	mod6 you'd definitely know em, the name starts with P and it's not pennywise	[16:53]
nubbins`	but can't say much else til the contract is signed :D	[16:53]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk	[16:53]
nubbins`	but the trappings of punk	[16:53]
nubbins`	8)	[16:53]
nubbins`	mod6 melvins was a good guess tho, they get silkscreened posters done locally for all their slows	[16:54]
nubbins`	*shows	[16:54]
mod6	ah, cool	[16:54]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo any punk band you've heard of is by definition not punk << Of course by the time I've heard of them they've lapsed.	[16:54]
nubbins`	heh	[16:54]
nubbins`	semi related: http://www.amoeba.com/live-shows/detail-1122/	[16:55]
assbot	Melvins - Live at Amoeba Music ... ( http://bit.ly/19nRcMR )	[16:55]
nubbins`	10/10 have watched maybe 15 times	[16:55]
mod6	oh startswith P. i know who it is. that's awesome!	[16:55]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo you want real punk, check local flyers for bands called "cider squad" and shit like that	[16:55]
nubbins`	mod6 :D	[16:55]
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nubbins`	& watch some crust kid barf on a drum kit	[16:56]
gribble	Error: "watch" is not a valid command.	[16:56]
nubbins`	yeah yeah	[16:56]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Cider Squad can't be punk anymore. You have to understand that my herueistic for this is that if I've heard of something it can no longer be punk, underground, or whatever	[16:56]
nubbins`	natch	[16:57]
nubbins`	i recall being at one of these shows once	[16:57]
nubbins`	guy comes up "hey, wanna go in on a case of beer?"	[16:57]
nubbins`	me: "...dude, we're at a bar"	[16:57]
nubbins`	"...oh yeah" then guy wanders in and takes stage w/ band	[16:57]
nubbins`	heh	[16:57]
asciilifeform	mod6, ben_vulpes, nubbins`, mircea_popescu, et al:	[16:59]
asciilifeform	observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd	[16:59]
asciilifeform	saves 1MB	[16:59]
asciilifeform	activated, naturally, (if present in the battlefield version at all) by holding down button on boot	[16:59]
asciilifeform	to be used only by devs or by folks who want to turn a knob (e.g., set a static ip instead of dhcp)	[17:00]
asciilifeform	i wouldn't even bother with it at all if it weren't for folks here who don't feel like soldering the serial plug	[17:00]
nubbins`	a ha ha, you've got a point.	[17:01]
asciilifeform	no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup	[17:01]
asciilifeform	(for shell, i mean)	[17:01]
nubbins`	i'm gonna be /making/ a serial cable anyway	[17:03]
nubbins`	but if you don't mind the indulgence, short term...	[17:03]
asciilifeform	something like this will be necessary if there is to be any possibility of changing, say, the ip bringup	[17:03]
asciilifeform	(i don't like dhcp myself, for example)	[17:04]
asciilifeform	http://lwn.net/Articles/474243 << other side of debate	[17:08]
assbot	A hole in telnetd [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/19nSqHP )	[17:08]
mod6	ok, maybe i don't understand. but im gonna ask anyway. but what you're saying is that the pogo embedded os wont have a rng?	[17:08]
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asciilifeform	mod6: it has -no- source of entropy other than i/o	[17:08]
asciilifeform	not even a battery-backed clock	[17:08]
mod6	so what is bitcoind supposed to do?	[17:08]
asciilifeform	bitcoind does not need entropy for anything	[17:09]
asciilifeform	unless abused	[17:09]
asciilifeform	in ways which we do not intend to abuse it	[17:09]
asciilifeform	(i.e. use as a wallet)	[17:09]
mod6	ok. so we won't sign transactions then	[17:09]
asciilifeform	mod6: not on a pogo!	[17:09]
asciilifeform	POGO IS NOT A WALLET	[17:09]
mod6	ah, ok. derp.	[17:09]
asciilifeform	for anyone who did not know	[17:10]
mod6	gotcha.	[17:10]
mod6	see, just thought i'd ask.	[17:10]
mod6	haha	[17:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 241000 @ 0.00026322 = 63.436 BTC [-] {2}	[17:10]
asciilifeform	(do not read this to take that a battery-backed clock is any kind of source of entropy, also.)	[17:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17263 @ 0.00026256 = 4.5326 BTC [-]	[17:13]
nubbins`	i had to double check the pcb last night when your rtc0 init failed	[17:15]
asciilifeform	i did warn.	[17:15]
asciilifeform	the rtc is actually there, and worked under arch iirc	[17:16]
asciilifeform	but it has no battery power	[17:16]
nubbins`	wa.. oh, yes	[17:16]
nubbins`	put another way, do not solder a battery holder into your pogo and use it as a wallet, either 8)	[17:16]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2015#989978	[17:17]
assbot	Logged on 24-01-2015 05:51:18; mircea_popescu: holy hell a sane engineer.	[17:17]
nubbins`	hm, good info, pin	[17:19]
asciilifeform	pin?	[17:20]
nubbins`	try !s from:nubbins` some time	[17:21]
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Adlai	!s pin from:nubbins`	[17:24]
assbot	12 results for 'pin from:nubbins`' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pin+from%3Anubbins%60	[17:24]
jurov	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2013#393640 nubbins` obv meant this	[17:26]
assbot	Logged on 26-11-2013 16:54:13; nubbins`: floor. vast communities of bulky orderlies. rowhouses of nurses. all rooms are hospitals now. the firmament, a massive inferno of blue-black gods. judges pouring time as the piss of Dionysus. insects dripping honey and pulling wax upon my ears. says, 'All the angels can dance on the tip of a pin. all thoughts can jig upon the point of a pen'	[17:26]
nubbins`	ha	[17:26]
nubbins`	natch!	[17:26]
nubbins`	alf just triggered one of my snowcrash zone-outs	[17:27]
*	Adlai watches a snail crawl across the edge of a razor	[17:30]
asciilifeform	'Note that telnetd won't auto-start on boot because of securilty concerns	[17:33]
asciilifeform	- until user manually starts telnetd while connected via serial console	[17:33]
asciilifeform	there's no chance for unexpected root access to the target (this is	[17:33]
asciilifeform	especially true if root has no password set - which is by defult).'	[17:33]
asciilifeform	^ shitgnomery disguised as 'seeek000rity'	[17:33]
asciilifeform	'we'll tie your hands for your own good'	[17:33]
jurov	don't see a problem there. once telnet starts, root access is no longer unexpected.	[17:34]
asciilifeform	jurov: how do you propose to log in to the box ?	[17:35]
BingoBoingo	"Must be a heavy dude," Griffin said, "to have all these police come out." >> http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-man-threatened-to-kill-police-rigged-home-with/article_cf037dda-dd90-5959-b84f-80f59f7403e3.html	[17:36]
assbot	St. Louis man threatened to kill police, rigged home with booby traps, court documents say : News ... ( http://bit.ly/19nUD62 )	[17:36]
asciilifeform	all the above means is that buildroot deliberately fucked up the build system to make it extremely inconvenient to add it to the default init	[17:37]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: robot with shotgun	[17:38]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: afaik a first in official media photo ?	[17:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110600 @ 0.00025498 = 28.2008 BTC [-]	[17:38]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It just might be the first	[17:38]
asciilifeform	qntra ?	[17:39]
asciilifeform	and cache plz	[17:39]
asciilifeform	esp. of the photo.	[17:39]
asciilifeform	linked video has the thing roll about	[17:41]
asciilifeform	good shots of bot with different smalls arms mounted	[17:41]
asciilifeform	nothing in the text about this, naturally	[17:41]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu guess what usg's response to 'solzhenitsyn's axe' is, aha.	[17:42]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:42]
BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I7NOO4lYGc	[17:43]
assbot	ICOR EOD/SWAT Robot - Firing Shotgun - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/19nVbsH )	[17:43]
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asciilifeform	looks similar, but not quite same, yes	[17:44]
asciilifeform	'The informant said he had known Hagler for more than 30 years. Hagler had a seething hatred for his ex-wife and was becoming more agitated after events in Ferguson and because he believed he would lose his homes in St. Louis for not paying taxes, according to court documents. A second informant said the tone of his views against government....'	[17:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93650 @ 0.00025968 = 24.319 BTC [+]	[17:45]
asciilifeform	expect this kind of policing to become sop	[17:46]
asciilifeform	that is, heavily-armoured box shows up with puppeteer, who controls (via radio or fiber) several deathbots	[17:47]
asciilifeform	one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture	[17:48]
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asciilifeform	still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ?	[17:48]
BingoBoingo	Imma watch the video and try to screencap the variety of arms	[17:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 178850 @ 0.00024803 = 44.3602 BTC [-] {3}	[18:11]
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BingoBoingo	!up nubbins`	[18:27]
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BingoBoingo	!up jordandotdev	[18:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115157 @ 0.00024502 = 28.2158 BTC [-]	[18:30]
jurov	http://bitcoinblog.de/2015/02/23/fidor-bank-and-bitcoin-de-launch-bitcoin-express-trading-system/	[18:32]
assbot	FIDOR Bank and Bitcoin.de launch Bitcoin Express trading system \| BitcoinBlog.de - das Blog für Bitcoin und andere virtuelle Währungen ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkclVF )	[18:32]
jurov	" is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that?	[18:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00025621 = 13.8738 BTC [+]	[18:55]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/	[19:05]
assbot	Local Police Arming Robots \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCSPSI )	[19:05]
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BingoBoingo	^ Picture in article is larger than when displayed with the text	[19:09]
asciilifeform	084ace0c578a4920a4cad59e426165b180fd8b1e170e9da406772bf1546208abc63d8b101fa63b9152d2003a816b4309203bbd391e434302830a3de3eab2dddc turdel_with_telnet.gz	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/14928d833dfd20e18ce340276c8dfb1c/tumblr_nl7g0yecQf1tulo74o1_500.jpg	[19:17]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1xCUnMh )	[19:17]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdel_with_telnet.gz	[19:17]
asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` not a bad deal, but meh, spend 35k on this thing ?	[19:18]
asciilifeform	this turdel will 1) boot and dhcp 2) start a suicidal telnet that goes straight into a root shell	[19:18]
asciilifeform	still no sata support - but this is enough to begin testing	[19:18]
asciilifeform	of bitcoind, for example.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	"Police report at EU national police agencies, extensively discussing CIA-Wikipedia-Google media control crimes, of which the CIA-Snowden fraud is part."	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	can you retro-translate this via your russian dictionary to actual english ?	[19:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i was just about to!	[19:19]
asciilifeform	he meant 'report to police'	[19:19]
asciilifeform	written by himself	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	himself = snowden ?	[19:19]
asciilifeform	nono	[19:19]
asciilifeform	sachs	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	so some guy wrote some things on a piece of paper about what he heard on the news and submitted this to his local police station ?	[19:19]
asciilifeform	'police report at' == 'report written to police'	[19:19]
asciilifeform	and word 'police' here meant very loosely	[19:20]
asciilifeform	anyway, document in question is a piece of nuttery containing, if you put it through a juice extractor, some very sensible hypotheses	[19:20]
asciilifeform	i'd squeeze them out myself, but no time at present	[19:20]
asciilifeform	did paste in some of the highlights.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	aha ima look in logs then	[19:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo, punkman, nubbins`, anyone else with a non-serialport pogov4 - new kernel that you can try.	[19:21]
asciilifeform	(see earlier)	[19:21]
asciilifeform	it is able to use usb storage and sd	[19:21]
asciilifeform	not yet sata, though i am still unable to figure out why (CONFIG_SATA_MV is set)	[19:21]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu there's also then the issue of where to stash them etc	[19:22]
nubbins`	anyway, now ya know how much that many of em costs 8)	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	afaik danielpbarron resolved that, but srsly, 3k seems at this point excessive. bitcoin hasn't had that many nodes since i dunno, 2012.	[19:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if parachuting, must take into account yield	[19:29]
asciilifeform	that is, how many will actually reach good home	[19:29]
asciilifeform	once deployed	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	so far i think we're well supplied for that.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	but it does put your 101 or 202 to actually 3001+	[19:29]
asciilifeform	minus however many usg buys now that we said this.	[19:30]
asciilifeform	to sink into the sea	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	an usg that cares. wouldn't that be a sight.	[19:31]
asciilifeform	brb meatspace excursion	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony lol has that derp actually sold any o'reilly tomes ? or we not talking about how product fails at the one fucking job product had ?	[19:33]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072329 << imo the assumptions are very weak.	[19:34]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 10:48:35; jurov: http://cs-people.bu.edu/heilman/eclipse/	[19:34]
fluffypony	lol	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, the "node identified by ip" thing we discussed yesterday.	[19:34]
fluffypony	Andreas Spake and Thus it Was	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	to complement what i said then, not only i know of no infrastructure nodes that are reliably identifiable by ip, but i know of no infrastructure nodes that have no vpn access to other nodes.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	the idea you are going to "monopolize" connections to a node is laughable, as they are all implemented to have hardwired connections you don't get to touch, in a pedestrian, difficult and unwieldy reimplementation of a wot system.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	moreover, "n confirmation doublespends" still needs you to produce mined blocks of a proper difficulty, which is just as hard as on the main net.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	in short - this is why academic wankery is called academic wankery. it has all the characteristics of useful work save a few.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	davout yeah seems it's going for the other moon.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	http://qntra.net/2015/03/bitcoin-floundation-moves-to-dilute-the-bitcoin-brand/ << scam foundation couldn't do more to ruin its own claim to relevancy in the space if it deliberately tried.	[19:39]
assbot	Bitcoin Floundation Moves To Dilute The Bitcoin Brand \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCX00L )	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072359 << wait wut!	[19:40]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 12:43:53; jurov: but i hope that if mp was scammer, he'd have arranged the situation to not look so forlorn :D	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072370 << yeah, mats was bitching about it like twenty lines up o.O	[19:41]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 12:50:04; jurov: but small investors that were caught there, talked about it	[19:41]
nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaGdvgufWEU	[19:41]
assbot	Duck Stampede - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1xCXpA9 )	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	dude, ducks rule for stampedes.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	at least large herbivores lookl like they were basically built for it	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	but... DUCKS ?!	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	omfg millions od fucks!	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	uh...	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	check out the berth thery give cars too.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	duck computing.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072387 << people pay to play in a casino too,	[19:45]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 13:02:41; mike_c: people have to pay to play, what do they need seed money for the game for?	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	what's casino need bankrolls ?!	[19:45]
nubbins`	store sells goods, why you need to start the day with a full register?	[19:47]
nubbins`	8)	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072450 << this is uniquely idiotic, btw.	[19:48]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 14:32:24; nubbins`: with 1 hot dog and 200 brands of frozen pizza, this new food needs a name.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	first, trying to attack bitcoin with the nonsensical "oh, nothing notable except blockchain technologee"	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	then, once that worked as well as you'd expect, moving on to "oh, nothing notable, many things just like it" ?	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	who comes up with these strats i wonder.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	alf's lizard hitler seems pretty similar to the original hitler cca 1944.	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	"das war ein befehl!"	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	"Ihr Saurianitet, nichts bedeutet..."	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	"BEFEHL!!1!1"	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	must be crowdsourced.	[19:52]
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jurov	sorry, i just had some slanderous moments	[20:10]
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jurov	feeling better now. and later today i got an email someone wants to haul considerable amount of stuff from havelol to coinbr.	[20:12]
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mircea_popescu	had enough lols ?	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	ayway, i don't mind. questioning is the core of progress!	[20:14]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072482 << this bit is afaik uncontroversial.	[20:19]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 14:56:44; asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...'	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	heck, i said it in the logs too.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	the only thing is, i do not believe the degradation of google's model from algorithmic to "algorithmic" to "whatever, we'll just do it by hand" is in any sense cia's work.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	it's just simple thermodynamics.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	note the exact same fate of the only similar thing to date : imperial chinese examination.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	also, originally, an attempt to resolve the "find sites" problem by iteration over the graph.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	a while later (about the same while later) it was exactly the same thing : "wikipedia at top of all search results because wikipedia at top of all search results".	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	that guardian is an intel asset, and greenwald in particular just gavin in a different color scheme is again uncontroversial.	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	leakers that actually trust the entire press-to-public model are idiots in the first place.	[20:21]
asciilifeform	anybody try 'turdel_with_telnet' ?	[20:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52900 @ 0.00025333 = 13.4012 BTC [+]	[20:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: uncontroversial << in #b-a. where else ?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	that usg courts are a sad joke, again uncontroversial.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	everywhere i go.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	"where three thinking people gather" or w/e the soviet expression was	[20:23]
asciilifeform	i would like to visit such a place	[20:23]
asciilifeform	other than #b-a, i mean	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	date more sluts ?	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	the clever sort, i mean.	[20:24]
asciilifeform	100% solid believers in the fishwrap XOR reddit everywhere i've physically set foot in usa.	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	what is the intersection of this everywhere and prefab furniture ?	[20:25]
asciilifeform	prefab ?	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	yes. as in not made of wood.	[20:25]
asciilifeform	ah meant pressboard	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	right	[20:25]
asciilifeform	solid pressboard.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	well then if it's the whole set maybe not a good set.	[20:25]
asciilifeform	where in usa, outside of antique shop, do you find anything else.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	in the houses of thinking people.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	in the houses of elderly.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	(of thinking and other kinds)	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	thinking people are rarely under 30.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	try 80	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	not my fault puritans tend to spawn late bloomers.	[20:26]
*	asciilifeform owns some furniture of actual wood, university surplus	[20:26]
*	asciilifeform and of steel	[20:26]
*	mircea_popescu will underscore there's nothing wrong with cheap ikea stuff. what was at stake above was the expectation that a sample with weird homologies may be representative for "the world"	[20:27]
*	asciilifeform makes no claim of 'the world' except as 'world he is able to access'	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	ie, if "all the women you've talked to" spit, and also are not wearing skirts, maybe sample is no good.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	rather than "women spit"	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform but take a piece like http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/	[20:29]
assbot	The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeYlJA )	[20:29]
asciilifeform	aha ... ?	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	whilke it's arguable if it makes the point more or less persuasively than that thing, nevertheless, it does make it, and who exactly argued with it ?	[20:29]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: usg appears to have a very strict 'do not engage mircea_popescu on open terrain' rule	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	chomsky actually said that the joe stack grievances are legitimate, and will take over if not tackled.	[20:30]
mircea_popescu	just... none of this is controversial.	[20:30]
asciilifeform	makes specific claims re: who/why of snowden, for instance	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	i mean, sure, it's not watercooler conversation, among 10-20 an hour derps.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	why would it be ?	[20:31]
asciilifeform	these are 'noncontroversial' ?	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	i thought those were the nutteries we were digging aside.	[20:31]
asciilifeform	unrelated: if we can get bitcoind under 27M, whole orchestra fits into the 32M eeprom found in the 'tripmate'	[20:31]
asciilifeform	and i can do a 'tripmate' port	[20:32]
asciilifeform	!s tripmate	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	that'd be interesting.	[20:32]
assbot	0 results for 'tripmate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tripmate	[20:32]
asciilifeform	!s hootoo	[20:32]
assbot	0 results for 'hootoo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hootoo	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ?	[20:32]
asciilifeform	--- and after we kill the orphans thing	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	right	[20:32]
asciilifeform	tripmate comes with 32M ram	[20:32]
asciilifeform	http://www.hootoo.com/hootoo-tripmate-nano-ht-tm02-wireless-portable-router.html	[20:33]
assbot	Hootoo HT-TM02 Tripmate Nano	[20:33]
asciilifeform	i have one here	[20:33]
asciilifeform	with serial port soldered in	[20:33]
asciilifeform	costs approx. same as pogo, for much poorer specs	[20:33]
asciilifeform	but actively produced	[20:33]
asciilifeform	and there are at least 3 chinese clones, roughly similar.	[20:33]
asciilifeform	100M/s ethernet, usb2 for storage, powered by yet another usb jack	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	yeah, it's a step in the right direction	[20:34]
asciilifeform	wireless soldered in though	[20:34]
asciilifeform	and can't be killed	[20:34]
asciilifeform	(part of cpu)	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	not sure this is a drawback.	[20:34]
asciilifeform	it was the single cheapest such box that i was able to locate	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	write your own wireless driver.	[20:34]
asciilifeform	if we must have the radio, let's ad-hoc to neighbors	[20:34]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu has the right idea.	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	you were looking for horrible jobs... this is one.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	actually this is pretty easy	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	oh shutup	[20:35]
*	asciilifeform first paying reverse-engineering job was of a wifi chipset	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	i've not yet seen a good wifi driver. ever.	[20:35]
asciilifeform	'good' means what ?	[20:35]
nubbins`	i was looking at these hooto things the other day	[20:35]
asciilifeform	doesn't go down ? or 'can be proven not to fandango over arbitrary ram with magic packet incoming'	[20:36]
nubbins`	asciilifeform will try turdel tonite/tmrw, meatspace commitments	[20:36]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: gotcha	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform little of this, little of that...	[20:36]
asciilifeform	danielpbarron perhaps can try	[20:36]
nubbins`	you said it'll run from sd, ya?	[20:36]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: it ought to run from anywhere	[20:36]
nubbins`	nod	[20:36]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: because has baked in rootfs	[20:36]
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asciilifeform	this is why i built it that way	[20:37]
asciilifeform	(this is -not- what we want in the field ver.)	[20:37]
asciilifeform	it wastes ram	[20:37]
nubbins`	one available, anyway	[20:37]
nubbins`	field ver, rootfs on ext storage	[20:37]
nubbins`	whatever that may be	[20:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191300 @ 0.00025386 = 48.5634 BTC [+] {2}	[20:37]
asciilifeform	to try it, spin it up, then see what ip the box got, then telnet there	[20:37]
asciilifeform	drops straight into root shell...	[20:37]
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assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CeZLUr )	[20:38]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072493 << again, same deal. yes buffett came into the fold. this is uncontroversial, and i've said it too.	[20:40]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 15:04:08; asciilifeform: anyway this should be enough lure for everybody. mega-lulzy tirade. if chumpatronic, it is of top quality and i take off my hat to the chumpatronicist.	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	but the jumps the guy makes... ?	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072495 << ftr, i get these on my name as well, tho i sure as hell never sent anyone that sort of bs legal request.	[20:41]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 15:08:26; asciilifeform: 'In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page.'	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	this is a purely eu piece of nonsense, however.	[20:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072535 << no. i, for instance, was the one that forced the publication of the cables, which they were going to withhold, by publishing the hot archive of romanian-related ones.	[20:44]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 15:32:26; asciilifeform: was i the only one here who actually read (for a time) mr s's (purported) www output (e.g., 'twitter', etc) ?	[20:44]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/primul/ << that's the discussion at the time, for the curious.	[20:47]
assbot	Primul! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OBAAC6 )	[20:47]
ben_vulpes	no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup << myes, realized this in the shower this am. also question of usernames, keys...	[20:52]
ben_vulpes	KISS, as they say.	[20:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112900 @ 0.00025621 = 28.9261 BTC [+]	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	in other news, chirilic tats! http://40.media.tumblr.com/8e539d05ca2b774489e14de7c21501a2/tumblr_nlbeffKDNj1qejludo1_1280.jpg	[20:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1OBBezB )	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	(protip : "onlyallfours" is a very bad idea, especially on hard floors. bursitis is at thing, if you give a horse shoes to protect hooves from hard pavement, might as well give the slavegirls kneepads.)	[20:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95450 @ 0.00025621 = 24.4552 BTC [+]	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	"Can you tell me what you're wanting to do with them? " ?<< lol nubbins` got teh usms curious nao	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	"you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?! FU NOT SELLING THEM NAO"	[20:59]
BingoBoingo	Ycombinator criticism cranks up http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/26/tone_it_down.php	[20:59]
assbot	Tone It Down. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cf3XDV )	[20:59]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: aha. hence telnet without any authentication at all.	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol anyone told him he's poor yet ?	[21:00]
BingoBoingo	He's well aware of it he seems	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072569 << the intrinsic problem with "look at all these people killed by tb, clearly tb can not be cured, if those people really had tb they wouldn't be walking around" is that well... tb is in fact a curable disease.	[21:01]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 15:54:27; asciilifeform: 'After making public revelations critical of US policies, former CIA director William Colby was himself found dead in 1996 from a laughably improbable 'canoe accident'. US Congressman Wayne Owens was found dead in Israel in 2002 while investigating US corruption connections.' << 'best news is the history you didn't know' (mircea_popescu?)	[21:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: cables << what do those have to do with snowden ?	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	to imagine the usg, or for that matter any bureaucracy like a PERSON rather than like a disease is imo to be very, very wrong	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	and in a fundamental way.	[21:01]
asciilifeform	i mean, sachs thinks they're part of the same chumpatron, yes	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform from what i understand the theory we're discussing, they'd be all the same thing ?	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	right.	[21:02]
asciilifeform	"you mean to tell me we could use these to run bitcoin nodes ourselves ?!?!... << they easily could. not with the 20MB blocks, no, but with the 20MB (and whatever the hell else satanic strange) -enabled- and waiting to get flooded	[21:04]
asciilifeform	yes, they could.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	back to the usg-tb thing : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."	[21:04]
asciilifeform	and they will have every living thing that reads reddit convinced that they invented it, too.	[21:04]
mod6	<+mircea_popescu> mod6 ben_vulpes think a <27mb bitcoin could be ? << the current statically linked bitcoind is 5.6mb is that what you mean?	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they will, to ~their detriment~. i'm not sure this is getting through, or that im doing a good job of explaining it, but in fact such victories are more expensive than the respective defeats they supposedly keep one from.	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	mod6 that's what i mean.	[21:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i must confess that it is rather unclear to me where the detriment is coming from.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ok, prepare for a lengthy explanation then.	[21:06]
asciilifeform	if tomorrow a white van picks up the remaining 5000 (?) pogos, how do 'we win' ?	[21:06]
*	asciilifeform prepared	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	suppose you are in a room, with women. there's 100 of them.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	they're all naked and dripping. suppose that someone for whatever stupid reason does not want you to fuck, because they imagine this is how you don't get to kill them.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	now, the reason this is stupid, on multiple planes, we won't dsiscuss here, for space.	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	BUT! if the solution they come up with is to make an artefact which convinces 99% of the women sorted by stupidity that they shouldn't fuck you,	[21:07]
mircea_popescu	while also providing sufficient proof for 1% that in fact someone's trying to interfere	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	this artefact is actually your best bet.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	that make sense ?	[21:08]
asciilifeform	it almost begins to	[21:08]
mod6	huh, the statically linked binary is between 5.6 and 5.2mb. On my x86_64 builds it was often around 5.6mb. i just pulled up my paste from the debian x86_32 bit build (http://dpaste.com/1YQR1W7), here's 5.2mb. and yesterday on gentoo x86_32 it was 5.6mb.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	so, filling reddit with apparently correct but actually provably falsifiable nonsense is not something that concerns me.	[21:08]
asciilifeform	but as i understand, it resolves to 'they have lost the mandate of heaven, will be defeated eventually'	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	it HELPS me.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	one direction, yes.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	the other direction being that you DO NOT WISH the attenntion of most of those women.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	some smell bad.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	some are ugly.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	NOT having to turn them down personally is empowering for you.	[21:09]
asciilifeform	the nonsense on reddit does nothing - granted	[21:09]
asciilifeform	but let's address the van.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	imagine a device that kept paul atreides from having to fight all the idiot freemen.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	WORTH GOLD	[21:09]
asciilifeform	l0l	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	and there's more directions.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	as to van : people like a congressman or an ex ciadirector are very poor examples, because a key part of the cure is maintaining very hard counter-terrorism measures on the ground. no colby, owens, petreus etc ever said "you will have to shoot me, and expect to fail unless you bring armored units, and to lose a score of operatives in any case."	[21:09]
asciilifeform	say van picks'em up. this gives us no useful 'smoking gun' beyond 'sorry chaps, they all sold out last night. no, can't tell ya who bought'	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	people who go "sure, whatever. make sure you have good AP and check the vests" are not the target of this sort of bs.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	the weird thing about the situaiton of usg particularly, and of usg-likes (ie, most cancer) is that "everything is only intended to be used in the situations it wasn't designed to be used".	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	air superiority not useful in air engagement, but in political engagement sort of bs.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	if air superiority comes to air engagement, walks away with so many broken arms it's not worth thinking about.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	this is why all the ridiculous military failures of the us since vietnam : it built an army which is only useful as an army if NOT fighting.	[21:12]
asciilifeform	it is also, apparently, quite useful for rocketing unarmed men in their sleep	[21:13]
asciilifeform	and occupation of own cities (see boston)	[21:13]
asciilifeform	and many other interesting things which have yet to be demoed	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	sorta like a parade army. exactly what the italians had, right before the risorgimento.	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	right, but none of which are what an army is actually for.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	the us army makes excellent police and screwdrivers. bully for it.	[21:14]
asciilifeform	the equipment (and selected men) steadily gets transfered to police (soon to be unified gendarmerie) forces	[21:14]
asciilifeform	who are actually trained for the kind of thing that it's all ultimately for	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	if your crazy genius lab consisted of shitty hot tweezers that made good sandwiches and very bad vacuum pumps that sang a capella i'd think you're uniquely ineffectual.	[21:14]
asciilifeform	see BingoBoingo's link	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	and if THAT were your lab, i wouldn't particularly be persuaded by "no tb cure could exist" type of arguments.	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	because what, if it did exist you'd lunge at it with your waffle making hot tweezers ?	[21:16]
asciilifeform	so, running with this line of thought, what might we expect 'the cure' to look like?	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	this, incidentally, is ALSO not controversial - virtually half of all material prepared by the bureaucracy states in one form or another that they're "not prepared for this type of challenge"	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	it's true : they haven't yet made a thing for something else to use for this.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	the cure looks very much like you'd imagine : strong encryption, strong (mental especially) discipline, minimal fortification along the riverline.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	as long as it's clear to the da that a court showdown will end his career, you're practically unprosecutable, no matter what you do. as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths, you're un-opable, no matter what you do. etc etc.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	the entire construction has very speciffic dead points, and they're anything but secret.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	swedish military doctrine, notably, is constructed around the core concept that they do not aim to defend the country, they aim to make invasion economically unfeasible. that is all.	[21:19]
asciilifeform	as long as it's clear to "special ops" that there will be deaths << this is possible if living in a bunker	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	this does not work against ideologically motivated adversaries, but it works against bureaucracies something splendid. there's always another fire to put out.	[21:20]
asciilifeform	if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up	[21:20]
asciilifeform	what is one to do, wear trotyl vest ?	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform no, this is possible if maintaining decent op security.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	yes, if you must do that, wear vest might work.	[21:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: make invasion economically unfeasible << you may be thinking of the swiss	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	but for as long as the "how do they know it's not really an ambush ?" question has an obvious and correct answer, you already failed.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform afaik swiss defend themselves by "neutrality"	[21:21]
asciilifeform	not exactly.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	they installed a bunch of autobatteries and shitnow ? /me's not been keeping up.	[21:22]
asciilifeform	spent quite a bit during cold war	[21:22]
asciilifeform	not sure about now	[21:22]
asciilifeform	and trained decently.	[21:22]
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mircea_popescu	if ambling about the terrain going to/from day jobs, etc. - they just quietly pick you up << a ro guy famously caught a coupla "secret agents" tailing him in traffic, beat them up (romanian tradition) took them to police station.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	huge scandal ensued.	[21:25]
asciilifeform	http://cs.brown.edu/~sk/Personal/Books/McPhee-Place-Concorde-Suisse << book	[21:25]
asciilifeform	on .ch army org	[21:25]
asciilifeform	^ pretty good	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	cost teh ro govt millions to try and wash it up, eventually was more or less forgotten. but finding agents willing to tail that guy was difficult for years after.	[21:26]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: that'd work about as well here as it would in peak nazi de	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	it would work splendidly.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	they'd demolish the street where you stood.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	good.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	there's going to be a demolished street bearing your name.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	we in fact saw this play out	[21:26]
asciilifeform	in boston	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	and what result ?	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	major losses for teh usg.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	i dun see it.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	maybe our optics differ.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	they evidently must	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's because you're trying to use some sort of subjective scoring it occurs to me	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	ie, "what the participant thinks happens matters".	[21:28]
asciilifeform	not exactly	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	so in this sense, a junkie managing to score a hit is in fact +ev.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	he will act as if he is, yes. but... he's not.	[21:28]
asciilifeform	say i'm a generic schmuck living in berlin in march, this day in '43	[21:28]
trinque	isn't the demolished street only helpful if there are onlookers who care?	[21:28]
asciilifeform	it looks mostly normal	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	trinque no. the street was in fact demolished.	[21:28]
asciilifeform	but stalingrad happened	[21:28]
asciilifeform	show me the stalingrad	[21:28]
trinque	mircea_popescu: right, but I recall joe stack day	[21:28]
trinque	and the ratio of people reacting sanely to not	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	trinque good for you. not particularly relevant to him.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i dun follow.	[21:29]
trinque	maybe the ratio's irrelevant	[21:29]
asciilifeform	where are the -real- cracks in the reich	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	they had to demolish a street ?	[21:29]
asciilifeform	and what, they are to go broke from paving a street?	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	i can trivially send pizza to the "secret" subsecretary of state for whatever, and he's stuck wondering how i know ?	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	yes, actually.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	the damage from tsarnavev & tsarnaev was roughly comparable to a small 'pile up' wreck on the highway.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	not even rounding error.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	there is no undertaking more expensive than that pavement job.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	so perhaps 'demolished a street' is exaggerated	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	i disagree.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	let's take the cheapest way out. familiar wit hthe guy whose name history has lost (:P) that set fire to the whatever so his name may be remembered ?	[21:31]
asciilifeform	herostratus aha	[21:32]
asciilifeform	that worked once.	[21:32]
asciilifeform	(exactly once)	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	familiar with the (afaik also uncontroversial) theory that the us is a nation of narcisists ?	[21:32]
asciilifeform	aha	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	does it seem to you a reasonable plan to demolish streets in this atmosphere ?	[21:32]
asciilifeform	sure, when you're working with -cowardly- and -imbecilic- narcissists	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	you think that matters ?	[21:32]
trinque	seems easy to convince the narcissist it's "not him"	[21:33]
trinque	would never be him	[21:33]
trinque	because he's not one of "those people"	[21:33]
asciilifeform	who take three steps and (fail to) blow (themselves) up with a (fake) rocket sold to them by usg.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	trinque understand something : if one million people becomes 1% more likely to lie on their taxes,	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	the government has lost 3-4% of its revenue.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	because 'friend of 30 years' vouched for the broker	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you're neglecting the only important thing here, which is the actual fine points of the relationship between the abused wife and her husband.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: eh no. they take it out of the captive tax cows - sales, shrinkflation, outright moneyprinter	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	that does not work.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	for a government to survive, it must actually have support.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	rock solid support from the cattle	[21:34]
trinque	mircea_popescu: there are militia groups around calling themselves "three percenters"	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	the fake shows of support (you are charlie, really ?) do not help.	[21:34]
trinque	that kind of thing?	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	trinque no particular kind of thing.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	trinque: the 'militia' thing is solid usg provocateurism from day one	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	if anyone is curious enough, please to read the gorbachev diaries after his 87 visit in romania.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	trinque: judging by the results	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	very short story here : ceausescu made old style, stalinist-like show of how supported he is	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	trying to finesse himself into a senior adviser role for gorby	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	this amused the russian to no end.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	but that aside, it all boils down to the ancient (here and iirc on trilema too) "what's the devil have to pay you to love him" thing.	[21:37]
asciilifeform	the sovblok fell down with nato holding a seemingly soft (in reality not so much) cushion under its arse as it fell	[21:37]
asciilifeform	nobody is playing that role for usg	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	aha	[21:37]
asciilifeform	the buggers know that 'it'll be their necks'	[21:37]
asciilifeform	in the way that gorby didn't	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	what does their knowledge matter ?	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	they know they suck, now.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	what can they do ?	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	take a simple thing : they all know ms is shit.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	what can any one do to fix this ?	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	still using it.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	still shit.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	and i can send them pizza, and they have to wonder how i know.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	and they go to work... and there it is. MICROSOFT BOOTING NAO.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	and yet... what can they do ?	[21:38]
asciilifeform	it 'works' for them in the sense that no nsa-crypto directorate leaks. no meaningful cia leaks. perhaps they use 'underwood' typewriters instead of microshit ?	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	part of a system is part of a system is part of a system.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	damned if i know. but it 'works'	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if it didn't how'd you know ?	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	the german public didn't know about the enigma leaks.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	if it didn't in the same sense of 'didn't' as elsewhere in usg, i would know	[21:39]
asciilifeform	or at least suspect	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	the fact that you don't is perhaps one of the most perplexing characteristics of your otherwise amply perplexing persona.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	at least in my head.	[21:40]
asciilifeform	that don't what	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	at least suspect.	[21:40]
*	asciilifeform even more confused	[21:40]
asciilifeform	well admittedly, i suspect many things	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	but not this ?	[21:40]
asciilifeform	but some with better grounding than others	[21:40]
asciilifeform	let's say herr buffet's winblows machine, where he keeps tabs with his lizard commander, was owned.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	but this strawman is in no case how it'd work is it.	[21:41]
asciilifeform	there is not a public display of this. ergo 'pwner' did not see it fit to do this.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	let's have a better model.	[21:41]
nubbins`	re: field pogos	[21:42]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: aha?	[21:42]
nubbins`	what's the LED gonna do for two weeks while the thing downloads and indexes blocks? 8)	[21:42]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: blink.	[21:42]
trinque	not trying to derail what's an excellent convo without me; is for example the ease with which us politicians are bought by any paying interest relevant here?	[21:43]
nubbins`	but that's what a bricked pogo does as well	[21:43]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: that's because u-boot sets it a'blinking by default	[21:43]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: easily fixed	[21:43]
nubbins`	a-haa	[21:43]
trinque	seems the whole military side can't be considered in absence of the side which can't form one coherent thought	[21:43]
nubbins`	i'm just musing about indications of progress	[21:43]
nubbins`	a blink isn't communicating much	[21:43]
trinque	what admittedly worries me is an event where the military side detaches from the braindead side entirely	[21:44]
trinque	not sure what happens after that	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	so, i am a famously grandiose master of women. and a junior girl aspiring one day to the grandiose status of being my slave goes with me and some of the girls to the opera. lights go off, the girls take off their tops all matter-of-course like. she follows suit. why ? and then, afterwards, we discuss it over coffee and cookies. they are enamoured with it. so is she. why ? her "tabs" haven't been leaked, right ? what if	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	the stripping is something we agreed aforehand to do just to see what her reaction is ?	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	better model ^	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	trinque honestly, this is why i believe the arming of police units with military stock is even done. it makes sense from a "after the end" perspective : you want two mostly balanced forces, because that's your best chance at more or less peaceful stability.	[21:45]
trinque	yes exactly that	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	note how it follows quite exactly the cure blueprint discussed above.	[21:45]
jurov	;;later tell nubbins` key added	[21:45]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:45]
nubbins`	tyvm!	[21:45]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: really it is done to make the idea of meaningful (as opposed to merely suicidal; so they hose off the pavement & everybody goes back to work) resistance less and less thinkable	[21:46]
asciilifeform	that robot was publicly displayed for a reason	[21:46]
mircea_popescu	i have mydoubts.	[21:47]
*	nubbins` sends mail, crosses digits	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	the notion that "sucidal resistence" is deterring anyone has had so much debunking recently...	[21:47]
nubbins`	ehh they used the robot because enough of the cops were scared enough	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	^	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	it sends exactly the opposite message.	[21:47]
nubbins`	there's this famous guy here, leo crockwell. put a gun to his sister's head a few years ago	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	we discussed some time ago the problem with decimation, re shot cops.	[21:47]
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nubbins`	cops, having dealt with (and been embarassed by) the guy in the past, descend	[21:47]
nubbins`	he barricades self, cops bring out robot.	[21:48]
asciilifeform	the robot is a logical step to the escalation of usg police practice	[21:48]
asciilifeform	used to be they'd politely ask you to come to the station	[21:48]
asciilifeform	today, breaking down door at 3am and barrel in your mouth is NORMAL	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	just like the cataphract is a logical step to the escalation of ... THE END OF FEUDALISM!	[21:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35725 @ 0.00025621 = 9.1531 BTC [+]	[21:48]
jurov	nubbins`: gpg: invalid dash escaped line: -Wno-invalid-offsetof -Wformat $(DEBUGFLAGS) $(DEFS) $(INCLUDEPATHS)	[21:48]
jurov	gpg: BAD signature from "Jonathan E. Keefe " [unknown]	[21:48]
nubbins`	he shoots at robot, cops try smoke bombs, then thousands of gallons of water from fire hoses (!!!)	[21:48]
nubbins`	guy escapes out window during a shift change and hitchhikes back to town undetected.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha	[21:49]
nubbins`	picked up buying smokes 3 hours later.	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	shift changes :D	[21:49]
jurov	looks like outlook wordwrapped or otherwise mutilated it	[21:49]
nubbins`	jurov gmail but same fate regardless. sec	[21:49]
asciilifeform	^	[21:49]
nubbins`	there you go	[21:50]
nubbins`	anyway the guy then fires like 5 public defenders, goes on to represent himself	[21:50]
nubbins`	makes the province spend countless tens of thousands	[21:50]
nubbins`	i think they're making a movie about him now.	[21:50]
jurov	same error.	[21:50]
nubbins`	wat! "plain text mode"	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform let's approach this in perhaps a more comprehensible set of terms. end of the world situation, you're behind a wall of sand sacks, enemy behind another. you got two guys left with you, was a full regiment at some point. enemy, unknown.	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	that the enemy starts suddenly firing like mad is not indicative of his strength. for one thing, bullets are scarce. for the other thing, fear is the end of this game.	[21:51]
jurov	nubbins`: a) send to yourself, check. b) leave text aempty and attach known good clearsigned stuff as .txt	[21:52]
asciilifeform	i don't see the fear component here	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	or in another approach, "asciilifeform:'The laughable CIA story we are asked to swallow, is that the US regime is doing zero against Omidyar, " << we are similarly asked to believe the cia story that the us is doing zero against saudi arabia, which... you know ? or whoever else off a long list. they're not doing zero, they're doing "their best", which is what it is.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	oft evaluates to zero.	[21:53]
nubbins`	ooo bad sig, looky loo. sec.	[21:53]
asciilifeform	they aren't rolling out the robots because they fear. but to save cost of a few stormtroopers' life insurance	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you don't see the fear component ? recall teh discussion re buses and the fate of war in afghanistan ?	[21:53]
asciilifeform	and because robot maker (i know exactly who makes it) has an ear in congress	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	these all are the why in the exact sense girl you picked up in a club stiff drunk is havin sex with you because she liked your record collection and loves your hair	[21:54]
nubbins`	yeah gmail is mangling it, even in plain text	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	not because she went to a club and got herself stiff drunk to be fucked.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` check it out, google can't computer!	[21:54]
asciilifeform	and wai wat, omidyar - or at least his money - could be magicked away in a single hour if usg willed it.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	orly ?	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	at what cost ?	[21:54]
asciilifeform	big fat deal, flip some bits	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	not how this works.	[21:55]
asciilifeform	they do it to russians all the time	[21:55]
nubbins`	jurov sent	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	not quite.	[21:55]
jurov	nubbins`: yup, there	[21:55]
nubbins`	woo	[21:56]
nubbins`	my first contrib	[21:56]
jurov	no shares for ya, sadly	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	cheers!	[21:56]
asciilifeform	congrats nubbins`	[21:57]
nubbins`	lel oops no subject	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	jurov notice the very heavy bias for she-stuff in b-a ? womanly job gets shares, manly job gets bupkiss	[21:57]
nubbins`	w/e, it'll get picked up in the monthly roundup :D	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	!ban nubbins` monsanto shill	[21:57]
nubbins`	noway dude, do you even log? no monsanto in twodogland	[21:58]
asciilifeform	l0l	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	twodog is such a great name.	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	who invented it, herbi ?	[21:58]
BingoBoingo	Two more stories from Stluz today http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/prosecutor-brooklyn-ill-police-mishandled-evidence-and-towed-cars-for/article_09f92780-0e39-5cba-a677-9f02529ab047.html http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/man-whose-death-was-ruled-a-suicide-was-actually-killed/article_a95cfc4a-9f96-5ab3-9f0c-00c105ad3569.html	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony ?	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	or was it dub ?	[21:58]
nubbins`	i thought it was you!	[21:58]
nubbins`	!s twodogland	[21:58]
assbot	4 results for 'twodogland' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=twodogland	[21:58]
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nubbins`	wow i really ran with that hey	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:59]
nubbins`	it stays with me	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-09-2014#824310 loller	[21:59]
assbot	Logged on 10-09-2014 13:22:53; mircea_popescu: you mean Two Dogs isn't originally populated by dogs ?	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	but it's such a great name.	[21:59]
nubbins`	heh	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2014#479584 << i think it all started here.	[22:00]
assbot	Logged on 04-02-2014 20:36:16; dub: why is part of canukistan named after two dogs?	[22:00]
nubbins`	ahahaha	[22:00]
nubbins`	"why is this bird made out of KFC?"	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	:D	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	we dub it The Infringer	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	because it naturally infringes the kfc ip.	[22:01]
nubbins`	mcdonald's sues the humble potato after it is revealed it's just a bunch of goddamn fries all stuck together	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	:D	[22:01]
nubbins`	why are all these people spamming the blockchain with bitcoin transactions?	[22:02]
nubbins`	etc	[22:02]
nubbins`	heh	[22:02]
jurov	myeah nubs did the book too "dogs of newfoundland and labrador" or such	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	also coca-cola sues diageo over patent-infringing side effects.	[22:02]
nubbins`	boids, not dogs!	[22:02]
nubbins`	two dogs is a pamphlet at best	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	"it's called CHRISTMAS CHEER GOD DAMNED IT!"	[22:02]
nubbins`	heh	[22:02]
jurov	;;ud boid	[22:03]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boid \| Boid is an anagram for the phrase "blacked out in a ditch." The last two letters can be substituted for any number of different things, such as boib or boor (blacked ...	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov it's east side "bird"	[22:03]
nubbins`	wtf urban dict	[22:03]
nubbins`	birds!	[22:04]
jurov	;;ud boidage	[22:04]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boidage \| boibian · boible · BOIBO · boi boi · Boibrucer · Boibs · boic · Boice · boicee · boich · boichat · boichie · Boichika · Boichuk · boid · boidage · boidar · boid/boyd ...	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	you know that accent mobsters / kids in poor neighbourhood have in 30s, 40s and some 50s movies ?	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072601 << i am especially suspicious of this sort of claim. it's essentially a stereotype and an appeal to ignorance rolled into a mcdonald nugget.	[22:05]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 16:14:42; asciilifeform: 'As they say, 'you cannot make these things up', the Americans are so ridiculously obvious as they conduct criminal deceptions. The CIA's 'Watergate' scheme to destroy Richard Nixon 40 years ago, was so successfully with the fake 'brave reporter' Woodward, that the CIA even decided to use Woodward's junior partner as a fake 'brave reporter' along with Greenwald in 'Operation Fake Dissi	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	"those jews are so obvious! after killing christ, they're now blabla"	[22:06]
asciilifeform	author's style, yes	[22:06]
asciilifeform	but claim - testable	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	only if restated.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	a claim that's tested in a restated from should be divorced from the original.	[22:06]
asciilifeform	he's talking about carl bernstein	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	no matter.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	http://www.carlbernstein.com << that one	[22:07]
assbot	Carl Bernstein ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOesBX )	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	"asciilifeform: 'Assange and Snowden are cold or actively insulting and hostile << mp has insulted women, gays, black people and social workers. clearly he's a fake cia mp pretending to be the real mp.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	logic wtf.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death'	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	maybe the real snowden is actually idiosyncratic. ya think this is possible ? "nobody did this, except this one guy, but he couldn't have done it because his behaviour is inconsistent"	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	uh...	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform at some point a decent argument will be constructable that you "led" some idiot to his death, too. because you know, used cardano after toasting it in pizza oven.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	it probably will be said, yes	[22:09]
asciilifeform	but if it appears to happen to every user, then it will be quite analogous to mr s	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	heck, kakobrekla heard a mouthful over his "leading derps into trying to steal from other bettors" or what was it, the bitbet scam thing.	[22:09]
*	asciilifeform recalls	[22:10]
BingoBoingo	i think he means 'he led the nsa device catalogue leaker to his anthill death' << The part of citizenfour filmed in Russia seems to support this hypothesis	[22:10]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno...	[22:11]
nubbins`	"doc, you can't write everything in bold. bold is for important st..." "GOD DAMMIT IT'S ALL IMPORTANT"	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072613 << anyway, this only works if one's willing to arrange the definition of tangible and interest after the fact.	[22:16]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 17:21:02; asciilifeform: that is, why not a single one of the 'leaks' actually damaged any tangible lizard interest	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	"this bomb did nothing, inasmuch as it didn't bring down any of the currently standing buildings"	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	by this standard, the wtc bombing also did nothing.	[22:16]
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asciilifeform	something like ted turner turning tricks in a bangkok gay bar to buy a bowl of rice every other day - would count	[22:17]
asciilifeform	or a glassed davos	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	sure, we could even argue the collapse was inevitable, and while the particular incident gives it flavour, the us was going to soviet union all over itself anyway.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	an old man is not going to be a subsistence prostitute. ever.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	that's a twelve year old trick.	[22:17]
asciilifeform	then begging	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	this by definition : the same thing that'd make you buy hisass (ie, his "personal brand") ensures he has an alternative, however minimal.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	like you know, sitting bull in that circus act.	[22:18]
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mircea_popescu	;;ud yfw	[22:19]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yfw \| yfw you realize every one of the previous definitions are wrong ... "Hey YFW, been trying to call you all day" (A substitute for the friendly form of 'bitch'.) Or..	[22:19]
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mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072618 << oddly enough, mp has been doing very little code writing o.O	[22:20]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 17:22:12; nubbins`: yfw 0.5.3 has a hidden backdoor and both satoshi and mp are complicit!	[22:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00025483 = 11.7094 BTC [-]	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072621 << i disagree with this, ftr. it was atrocious.	[22:20]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 17:23:52; nubbins`: anyway, you're correct in that nothing leaked was particularly damaging to the lizards	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	i've not seen anything this damaging to the us foreign interests in the history of the us.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	and for all the "no lizard interest" high horse : take the cisco collapse.	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	there's numerous examples of very similar things.	[22:21]
nubbins`	urbandict fail again	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	the us has no friends today, principally, because of snowden.	[22:21]
nubbins`	yfw you realize what yfw means	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i got it from context, "your face when	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072626 << yes, but nothing he couldn't (and in all likelyhood didn't) obtain by wikipedia trolling.	[22:22]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 17:25:05; asciilifeform: sachs also lists names, times, places of folks 'suicided' by usg, with reasons.	[22:22]
asciilifeform	is why i said 'connected dots' not 'new leak'	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072639 << using the word "this" in your sentence exposes you to this situation where your line is burried in a different discussion and evaluated while im in the middle of a yet another different discussion, producing a "wut ?" as sole output.	[22:24]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 17:31:31; felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you so much. But I guess this is not true on OTC WoT? Only in assbot, right?	[22:24]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform let me put it this way : given a collection of dots, why would anyone care on the graphs built upon them by anyone not in their wot ? you know this guy ?	[22:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nope, he fell from mars. but echoed certain trains of thought that i heretofore encountered only in own head. hence linked.	[22:25]
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asciilifeform	also fella has a net presence vastly smaller than what one expects even a very modest crackpot	[22:26]
TomServo	ey folks, got my shipment today http://i.imgur.com/13p8tXK.jpg :D	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	to my head, the phrase aptly describes that piece which goes "contains ad admixture of true and trite, but what isn't trite also isn't true"	[22:26]
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assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1FOiNoK )	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	nice TomServo	[22:26]
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TomServo	unfortunately due to poor ebay skills my cp2102 arrive... 'sometime' in april	[22:27]
nubbins`	heh	[22:28]
nubbins`	wd	[22:28]
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TomServo	there's been so many links flying around. What's the quickest way to defile one of these after cracking it open?	[22:29]
asciilifeform	!up tris	[22:29]
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asciilifeform	TomServo: you don't have to solder the serial port if you're careful	[22:29]
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mircea_popescu	TomServo sorta in the middle here, we're just about to have danielpbarron write a noobs manual	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	but the thing stil lin flux	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	prolly stuff in his manual as is closest to what you want	[22:31]
decimation	re: snowden etc. < I think it's hilarious that folks see conspiracy when redditard volunteer would do	[22:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: the state-controlled media fellates him 24/7	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	decimation if nothing else, he has done A LOT to measure the power of the entire "crowd source" "power of the people" etc thing.	[22:32]
jurov	mod6 ben_vulpes where will the manual go? i can put a wiki somewhere	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	THIS is the best angle for him being a conspiraci, a sort of mike hearn of the cia.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	jurov not best just re-use b-a wiki ?	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	too many wikis...	[22:33]
asciilifeform	and every time he opens mouth, what comes out? 'brave journalists', 'use tor!', etc	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform he actually says use gpg.	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	he very guardedly recomends tor.	[22:33]
jurov	kk mircea	[22:33]
*	asciilifeform greps	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	and most of that is guardian rewriting what he actually said.	[22:33]
decimation	re: greewald being on usg payroll < is also hilarious	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	(now, that guardian has all through had a very strong "dope it" agenda is true, and quite visible	[22:34]
asciilifeform	does s ever -mention- pgp?	[22:34]
decimation	the man has the operational acumen of a wet noodle	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes. pretty much every single speech.	[22:34]
asciilifeform	or merely the fact that one of the documents (not necessarily his) did so	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	pretty.much.every.single.speech.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	decimation one being inept is almost a requirement for usg payroll.	[22:34]
decimation	mircea_popescu: snowden does discredit 'crowdsourcing'	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	decimation not sure if discredit per se, but it does illustrate its (long suspected) limitations.	[22:34]
mircea_popescu	maddox's "dancing party" thing much more adequate for the demo.	[22:35]
decimation	usg has a small number of non-inept employees	[22:35]
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decimation	http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/architect-of-cias-drone-campaign-to-leave-post-in-watershed-moment-for-agency/2015/03/25/261289ec-d2f7-11e4-ab77-9646eea6a4c7_story.html < this is probably what happens to them	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	yeah, because everyone likes to say "present company excluded".	[22:35]
assbot	CIA official who directed hunt for bin Laden is being removed from post - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOkH8O )	[22:35]
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asciilifeform	l0l, this is prelude to death	[22:35]
mircea_popescu	decimation let me guess, he tried to wreck by having the trains overloaded so they will run the tracks down faster ?	[22:36]
asciilifeform	just as they 'training accidented' the -whole fucking crew-	[22:36]
decimation	heh he didn't die	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform do you see the costs for THAT yet alf ?	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	perhaps in the "we can't send anyone to tikrit" ?	[22:36]
decimation	he was 'promoted' to a 'non-in-charge-of-life-and-death decisions' post	[22:36]
mircea_popescu	is that a cost you look for and quantify ?	[22:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93000 @ 0.00024486 = 22.772 BTC [-]	[22:36]
decimation	re: costs < yes, usg is cost constrained, but note that nearly all of it is 'self-imposed damage'	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	well sure, in the sense someone raping himself with a cactus is "self-imposedly damaging his anus"	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	cactus is still spiked.	[22:37]
decimation	usg could fire 90% of its staff, rationalize its tax system, and start colonizing the world	[22:38]
decimation	but the cactus seemed like a better option	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	"could"	[22:38]
decimation	note that snowden saw himself as far less inept than his colleages, and he was probably right	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	wife could stop being a fat bitch and husband could stop ejaculating early and watching the game.	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	us sec could register its wot key with mpex, us fed could announce plans for bitcoin-convertibility of usg,	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	so many coulds so little brainz.	[22:40]
BingoBoingo	does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time	[22:40]
decimation	The effects on most other child outcomes, which include drug consumption, scholastic performance, and skills, can usually be bounded to a tight interval around zero. ^ http://www.arnoldkling.com/blog/the-null-hypothesis-for-income-and-wealth/	[22:40]
assbot	The Null Hypothesis for Income and Wealth \| askblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI3icz )	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	does s ever -mention- pgp? << Snowden mentions GPG all of the time, Greenwald mentions tor all of the time << exactly apt description.	[22:40]
*	asciilifeform out of date then	[22:41]
decimation	^ writing about winning the swedish lottery	[22:41]
decimation	someone who wins the swedish lottery could be a better person	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	lottery has nothing to do with either income or wealth.	[22:41]
decimation	"Overall, our findings suggest that correlations observed in affluent, developed countries between (i) wealth and health or (ii) parental income and children’s outcomes do not reflect a causal effect of wealth."	[22:42]
decimation	it turns out that a poor bum who wins alot of money is still just a poor bum	[22:42]
asciilifeform	decimation: ^ known around the world	[22:42]
asciilifeform	however, note that maths phd etc. never win lotteries	[22:43]
asciilifeform	(they don't play)	[22:43]
decimation	true	[22:43]
asciilifeform	lottery selects for idiocy	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	lottery is just a very bad model for this sort of research	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	but in general, given the choice between "a flawed study few can recognise as flawed" and "no study", pseudo-scientists readily (and understandably, from a gt perspective) go for the former.	[22:44]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: If your shiva eyes/hands have the time the citizenfour thing doesn't actually promote the innocence of any parties features, but clearly illustrates Greenwald's shitgnommery	[22:44]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: believe or not, i haven't the time	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	this bias is, incidentally, why "stifling science" is such a suspect cry de guerre. one never nows if it's genuine science being supressed,	[22:44]
BingoBoingo	I believe it	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	or just some of these clock punchers didn't get money for their mortgage.	[22:44]
decimation	possibly, perhaps fat bitches, husbands, secs really can be otherwise	[22:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 100 to 1 it's 'clock punchers'	[22:45]
asciilifeform	the genuine article doesn't have time or microphone to whine	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	decimation and who's paying for the divergence from thermodynamics ?	[22:45]
decimation	well, apparently not the lottery	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[22:45]
mircea_popescu	of course not! lottery is an entropic result! thinkaboutit!!11	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	NOTEVEN DOOM MUSIC! in the shape of government handouts	[22:46]
decimation	at least the lottery is voluntary wealth distribution	[22:46]
nubbins`	asciilifeform iirc s tried to teach greenwald gpg and he couldnt figure it out	[22:46]
nubbins`	s had to make a video etc	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	it boggles the mind to try and imagine what this thing that pays for the divergence would look like,	[22:46]
nubbins`	all kidnappy-voiced	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	but i suspect it comes with three different types of cherenkov effect	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` btw, i am VERY suspect of people who claim to "not be able to figure it out".	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	either indiancandies or else, assets.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	in either case...	[22:47]
asciilifeform	usually if someone has the basic nervous system needed to operate the machine at all, he -can-	[22:48]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu email the smartest journalist in .ar and tell em youve got a bombshell, but they need pgp	[22:48]
decimation	note she won the 0.1 btc lottery and apparently thought that nothing else would come of it	[22:48]
nubbins`	$5 says they get someone else to install it for em	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that'd be... brendafdez ?	[22:48]
nubbins`	ahh o/	[22:48]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: or generated key at imamoronmakemeakey.com	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	what do i get now ? hm ? :D	[22:48]
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nubbins`	an invoice for a thousand pogos?	[22:48]
mircea_popescu	waitwut!	[22:49]
nubbins`	HUE	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	i just sunk your theory! i want a candy! omfg EVERYONE TURNING INTO MP	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	WHY SO MEAN	[22:49]
nubbins`	asciilifeform i'm not normally this slow on the uptake but generally unfamiliar w/ replacing kernels	[22:49]
nubbins`	i've got a, uh. turdel and a pogo	[22:49]
mircea_popescu	shoulda done fewer whippets!	[22:49]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: easiest way to test is to reconfigure it to boot from tftp	[22:50]
asciilifeform	!s tftp	[22:50]
assbot	12 results for 'tftp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tftp	[22:50]
asciilifeform	this is some extra effort vs. stuffing it on usb or sd, but will pay off later	[22:50]
asciilifeform	as it shortens the test loop when you start screwing with it in earnest	[22:50]
asciilifeform	(i'm in the process of making the build replicable)	[22:50]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072728 << ahahaha o bring me thy log lines! i got one cornered!	[22:52]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 18:19:18; jurov: no it does not poll it at all, i refresh i manually blushes	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072743 << i wish they'd start publishing these as gpg signed statemewnts.	[22:53]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 18:40:56; nubbins`: Very respectfully yours, Dr Les (Leslie - Leszek) Sachs - Scholar of the history of law and religion, with 7 earned academic degrees from 3 universities, the first two from Harvard University, alongside many US leaders;	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	so you know, one can check these claims	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072753 << you know, this is something a (reasonably unknown) derp can do for himself - just spam a lot.	[22:54]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 18:43:11; asciilifeform: the most testable hypothesis is that google systematically blackholes him	[22:54]
asciilifeform	could	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	i know because angry/stupid .ro folk with delusions of self importance tried this sort of thing (on like 3 different occasions) against me	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	didn't take, but was informative	[22:54]
asciilifeform	which thing, out of curiosity	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	like the qntra ddos stuff was informative re wp etc	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "let's get google convinced this guy is a spammer"	[22:55]
asciilifeform	whatever it was - worked.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	it'd trivially work, again, if the target is anon with a wp account or w/e.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	notice the recent lulzy failure of fetlife to "throw its weight around".	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	it "always works", they thought, so why not.	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	there's a lot of this going on the intertubes.	[22:56]
decimation	re: sachs < he fails to assert why the cia benefits from anything assange or snowden are doing, while the media gets moar clicks	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	heck, all the reddit brigading is essentially this, "you can blackball nobodies by banging on a lot of pots and pans!"	[22:56]
asciilifeform	decimation: sure he does. in his picture, snowden (but especially the greenwald gang) lead genuine defectors to perdition 2) lead public to use 'blackphones', 'redphones', and misc. garbage 3) drum up a general sense of dread and 'the walls have ears'	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	im not sure i'd hang any man for either of these.	[22:57]
asciilifeform	admittedly #2 is more my conjecture than sachs text	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	for one, they could trivially be stated about you. for the other, srsly ? this is a claim now ?	[22:57]
decimation	all of which happen with or without their help	[22:57]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: they could trivially be stated about you << just about anything could be. and folks would believe it, too.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	i don't think that text works without the necessary "bouncing wall" effect a properly conspiratorial mindset provides.	[22:58]
danielpbarron	asciilifeform, http://danielpbarron.com/turdel_with_telnet.txt	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	too much "obviously..." jumping	[22:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4jBn )	[22:58]
trinque	I joked just last night that #b-a RPG was a meta-NSA recruitment program	[22:58]
asciilifeform	congrats danielpbarron!	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	trinque you think this is funny ?	[22:58]
BingoBoingo	Moar Winblows http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/03/german-pro-basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-due-to-windows-update/	[22:59]
assbot	German pro basketball team relegated to lower division due to Windows update \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4kVG )	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron that useful for TomServo's q above ?	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ahaha qntra!	[22:59]
trinque	mircea_popescu: the context was a point about being able to frame any situation in ever more paranoid terms	[22:59]
decimation	lol the 10 viewers of german basketball will be disappoint	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	trinque no dude, you just blew the whole shebang wide open.	[23:00]
trinque	ah fuck	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	now ima have to make another thing!	[23:00]
trinque	LOL	[23:00]
asciilifeform	'with blackjack! and hookers'	[23:00]
asciilifeform	(TM)	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	sorry folks. eulora project ended.	[23:00]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Gotta check the German story first	[23:00]
trinque	my mother will be so proud	[23:01]
decimation	http://pocan.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/pocan-massie-introduce-legislation-to-repeal-patriot-act < snowden's ultimate gift to usg	[23:01]
assbot	Pocan & Massie Introduce Legislation to Repeal PATRIOT Act \| Congressman Mark Pocan ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4ufZ )	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	so i want to announce this... umm... florist stand that s.mg will be producing.	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	brick and mortar store and TOTALLY not a recruitment front.	[23:02]
danielpbarron	TomServo, http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt	[23:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4vAn )	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072772 << did he go to spanish harvard ?!	[23:03]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 18:52:58; asciilifeform: he is not a master of the english language.	[23:03]
asciilifeform	nah sotomayor harvard	[23:03]
asciilifeform	or perhaps gwb harvard	[23:03]
*	asciilifeform did not say he bought sachs's creds wholesale	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	i don't get it. your thesis is that he's like obama, there for "extracurricular" reasons ?	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	what, his dad built the clocktower ?	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	iirc there's no jew quota at harvard.	[23:04]
asciilifeform	actually they keep a certain number of such characters around	[23:04]
asciilifeform	tendrils of usg in the turd world	[23:04]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072793 << i am not aware he made such a promise ?!	[23:04]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 18:59:01; asciilifeform: from his pushing tor, to promising to reveal 'who plugged jfk', to countless other distractions	[23:05]
asciilifeform	they go home, and become pliant administrators, dreaming of sending the childrenz to usa	[23:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: well, the 'snowden twitter' did	[23:05]
asciilifeform	some time sept. or oct., iirc	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	do you mean https://twitter.com/kevinmitnick/status/475346838627696640 ?	[23:05]
assbot	Did Snowden grep the NSA docs for JFK yet? Just wondering since I'm in Dallas today :-)	[23:06]
asciilifeform	no.	[23:06]
asciilifeform	'On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.'	[23:06]
decimation	lol	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	dude srlsy.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	it was a parody acct.	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	(The Snowden on the fake Twitter account is offering even more sensational revelations: “I can confirm that Barack Obama worked for the CIA in the ‘80s, helping to stage a coup against the Fiji government.”	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	An even more apocalyptic promise says: “On November 22, in cooperation with journalists from around the world, I will reveal who really killed President John F. Kennedy.”)	[23:07]
asciilifeform	nope	[23:07]
asciilifeform	that was on the actual account.	[23:07]
asciilifeform	well, as 'actual' as any of him	[23:07]
TomServo	danielpbarron: aye, thanks - i'm disecting now	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	is that the exact quote you meant or different ?	[23:08]
TomServo	asciilifeform: also thanks	[23:08]
asciilifeform	exact quote from own notes	[23:08]
asciilifeform	trying to find some corroboration of it to link to	[23:08]
decimation	asciilifeform: the oddest thing about snowden is the reddit-esque faith he had in the media to 'start a conversation'	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/EJosephSnowden/status/397048402510245888 << ?	[23:08]
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mircea_popescu	o look, nsa killed assbot	[23:08]
asciilifeform	'account suspended'	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	originally read as the quote.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:09]
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mircea_popescu	srsly, i suspect you ended up intoxicated from 2nd hand material.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	the guy is not actually pushing tor and that promise was a fake acct.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	to be fair, it isn't like his other communiques are pgp-signed.	[23:10]
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mircea_popescu	sure.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	the claim here isn'tthat the cow flies.	[23:10]
decimation	asciilifeform: another good point, why didn't he use pgp to verify his information?	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	the claim is that the cow actually gives milk.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	(which, also, not signed)	[23:10]
asciilifeform	decimation: and afaik he never followed any analogue of 'ascii_field can talk and i will say if it was an impostor yesterday' principle	[23:11]
asciilifeform	never disavowed the garbage	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	imo that is the correct strategy.	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	if he universally ignores th egarbage, the garbage has to stand on its own	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	if he disavows any, the rest can now stand on your "didn't disavow me!!1"	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	why should HE discuss what other people say ?	[23:12]
asciilifeform	granted	[23:13]
asciilifeform	unrelated >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2015/03/26/what-we-know-about-andreas-lubitz-the-co-pilot-of-the-germanwings-plane-crash/?tid=pm_world_pop << omg1111!!!11 wr3ck3rz!!	[23:13]
assbot	What we know about Andreas Lubitz, the co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525 - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4X1H )	[23:13]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/03/basketball-team-relegated-to-lower-division-by-ms-windows-misbehavior/	[23:14]
assbot	Basketball Team Relegated to Lower Division by MS Windows Misbehavior \| Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI4Xi2 )	[23:14]
decimation	actually related	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	srsly, i am so disappoint the french are not like, being invaded.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	such perfect italian opportunity to conquer galia again.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	IT WAS HISTORICALLY THEIRS	[23:14]
decimation	some derpy youth takes matters beyond him into his own hands, fails to do much of use	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol win.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072801 << i lolled.	[23:15]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 19:01:01; nubbins`: http://www.patricia-cornwell-biography.net/patricia-cornwell-jew-baiting-extortion-letter-p-2.jpg	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	guy defo has his buttons.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072809 << pls to explain this.	[23:16]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 19:02:33; asciilifeform: not sure how 'sane' you and i would appear, after a few decades in his position.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	radiation damage.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	if any of his biographical material is to be believed, he's been at the futile soapbox thing for decades.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	like me ?	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	or how you distinguish ?	[23:17]
asciilifeform	the 'futile' part	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	how is it anything but futile ?	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	like... ppl still investing on forum, right ?	[23:18]
asciilifeform	sachs, i meant	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	what, specifically, is not futile ?	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	human fucking condition.	[23:18]
asciilifeform	time for 'zoom to fit image' here	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, i don't even fuck without a condom!	[23:18]
asciilifeform	(vs 'zoom to fit human condition')	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	so you're saying this particular zoom quantity has a quality all of its own ?	[23:19]
asciilifeform	was trying to say, that sachs is successfully censored, for the most part	[23:19]
asciilifeform	even 'yandex' returns somewhere between 1 and 3 hits for him (depending on luck of the draw)	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	well... my twitter account got abandoned once and banned once.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	reddit thinks it a great success (the 2nd, not the 1st)	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[23:19]
asciilifeform	where is the sachs version of #b-a ?	[23:20]
asciilifeform	or of castle mircea_popescustein ?	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	absence of proof = proof of absence ?	[23:20]
asciilifeform	granted	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	same could be argued by rpietilla.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	but wherever it is - well-hidden.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	as in, airtight.	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	he's not insane, he's just been angry for too long. except im pretty sure he has both these.	[23:20]
asciilifeform	note the date of the linked piece	[23:21]
asciilifeform	quite a while ago	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	the jew baiting letter was 2000 iirc	[23:21]
asciilifeform	and i would have never seen it had he not written a letter to cryptome (see other link)	[23:21]
asciilifeform	speaking of the snowden thing here	[23:21]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2015/03/snowden-cia-fraud.htm	[23:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5l0e )	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	but wouldn't you say that describing that legalese boilerplate as "jew baiting" in 2000 would offer sufficient explanation of why he can't get his shit published in 2012 or w/e ?	[23:22]
asciilifeform	published by new yorker - sure	[23:22]
asciilifeform	indexed by google?	[23:22]
asciilifeform	yandex?!	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	maybe they pursued a defamation suit, sent c&ds around ?	[23:23]
asciilifeform	that'd be the one time it worked	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	understand, it does not take MUCH for an inept derp on the margin of his sanity to lose internet access.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	i could do it, generally, for pretty much anyone.	[23:23]
asciilifeform	incidentally they normally publish the letter	[23:23]
asciilifeform	but in his case made exception.	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	afaik they do not any longer	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	used to, but became too much hassle	[23:23]
asciilifeform	did for warez, as of a few wks ago when i last saw.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	link or something ?	[23:24]
asciilifeform	https://www.chillingeffects.org/submission_id/1420769	[23:24]
assbot	Chilling Effects - 404 Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5oco )	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	one that doesnt 404 ?	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	check it out, alf is a tachyon. has read the future.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	search for 'leszek sachs'	[23:26]
asciilifeform	then follow link	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	Cerca de 343.000 resultados	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	includes > dozen pics of the same bespectacled fellow	[23:26]
asciilifeform	incidentally #b-a is not at the top of the page like usual.	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	and is no such link	[23:26]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: might be geolocatronic shenanigans	[23:27]
asciilifeform	of the kind google is famous for	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	it is, which is what i said.	[23:27]
asciilifeform	aha.	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	do you wish to see the html ?	[23:27]
asciilifeform	dpaste	[23:27]
asciilifeform	but yes, did see the pics	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/25VM435	[23:28]
asciilifeform	notably, did not see the document linked on cryptome	[23:28]
assbot	dpaste: 25VM435 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5ArT )	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	the cryptome piece itself is indexed (if one looks by "last week" results)	[23:28]
decimation	the cryptome 'letter' is also lulzy	[23:28]
asciilifeform	i suppose we'll see if there is a gnome with a hand-edited 'google blackhole' chart, soon enough	[23:28]
decimation	one is confused why the cia would bother to find such a complex excuse to be embarassed and embarass others	[23:29]
nubbins`	root@debian:/# tftp 0x800000 turdel_with_telnet	[23:29]
nubbins`	0x800000: unknown host	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-02-10/google-moves-destroy-online-anonymity-…-helping-authoritarian-governments-pro << he was in zerohedge ffs, last year.	[23:30]
assbot	Page Not Found \| Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1EI5Gjs )	[23:30]
asciilifeform	decimation: the historic, self-admitted 'national character' of cia (as described in their authorized histories, note) is as a gang of 'younger sons' of old-money lords in usa. on account of the elementary fact that these were the only possible recruits because no one else was cultured or spoke languages.	[23:30]
asciilifeform	(ww2 period)	[23:30]
decimation	asciilifeform: perhaps, but I can't imagine that the employees look much different than the post office today	[23:31]
asciilifeform	decimation: depends what is meant by 'employees'	[23:31]
asciilifeform	the paper-pushers - undoubtedly.	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	oh, meta-cia as well ?	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	that i might almost credit.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	meta-cia i can't even take credit for	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:31]
decimation	it seems from the wapo article about the anti-al-quaeda chap that he ran the 'meta-cia'	[23:32]
asciilifeform	worked great in su.	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	so alf, guy was in zh two years ago. it never caught. also supression ?	[23:32]
asciilifeform	i can't insist on it. but can't rule out.	[23:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.00024431 = 18.1522 BTC [-]	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072854 << i suspect you're confused as to the meaning of at least one word in there :D	[23:32]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 19:31:49; nubbins`: may have a job printing posters for big-name punk band :0	[23:32]
decimation	how could anyone inside usg accomplish anything at all without creating a meta-something	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	i hear this is how they get laid, too.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	can't say the sachs thing is a living animal. but a bone, with just enough meat on it to be worth picking up.	[23:33]
decimation	as if including the diversity-based hiring quotees could enhance the outcome?	[23:33]
asciilifeform	decimation: the basic 'meta' picture in my head is the small group inside virtually any gigantic and ossified organization that actually gets things done	[23:33]
decimation	which is what happens in any large organization	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so the skunkworks without the management ?	[23:34]
asciilifeform	or with own management, which largely functions to insulate it from the nominal management.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	this is a very important difference here.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	afaik the way this works is, there's someone in management who's not retarded, cultivates these.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	as a self-organised thing i never saw it exist	[23:35]
asciilifeform	almost certainly ww2 vintage.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	save in very narrow conditions (say, the it dept)	[23:35]
asciilifeform	the men, i mean	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072895 << wait. and this is unlike normal openssh how again ?	[23:37]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 19:55:07; asciilifeform: observation: sshd on a box with no rng may as well be replaced by telnetd	[23:37]
asciilifeform	normal box has at least the entropic component of cpu vs real time clock frequency drift.	[23:37]
asciilifeform	not to mention user i/o	[23:37]
asciilifeform	(very scant, but real, 'meat entropy' from human devices, etc)	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	my poor stab at poor openssh securitah.	[23:38]
decimation	asciilifeform: I thought it didn't have an rtc	[23:38]
asciilifeform	anyway that thing under no conceivable circumstances ought to be remotely shellable and sitting on public net at same time	[23:38]
asciilifeform	decimation: it has a useless rtc	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	fun fact : you can acutally hand-load the entropy pool.	[23:38]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: sure can.	[23:39]
decimation	why not an init with the auto-kill while loop	[23:39]
asciilifeform	decimation: init of what	[23:39]
decimation	I mean init is literally just a while loop	[23:39]
decimation	no shell	[23:39]
asciilifeform	decimation: this will make, e.g., setting static ip, impossible	[23:39]
decimation	could dhcp	[23:40]
asciilifeform	i don't like dhcp in my house.	[23:40]
decimation	heh	[23:40]
asciilifeform	and can't imagine i'm the only one	[23:40]
asciilifeform	dhcp also means we have to bring back upnp	[23:40]
asciilifeform	think about it!	[23:40]
asciilifeform	the demo turdel dhcp's, yes	[23:41]
decimation	not with a well configured dhcp/firewall	[23:41]
decimation	but it would be more complex, I agree	[23:41]
asciilifeform	decimation: how many in target audience will have well-configured anythign?	[23:41]
decimation	hehe	[23:41]
asciilifeform	we're probably stuck bringing back upnp regardless	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	what fire wall anyway ?	[23:41]
asciilifeform	(as a separate demon, i suggest)	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	this plugs into router.	[23:41]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform whai ?	[23:41]
decimation	the router that runs nat and has a firewall you mean?	[23:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: because how is anyone to connect to this thing!	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	decimation that's unused, yes.	[23:42]
decimation	???	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ugh	[23:42]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: think about it for a minute	[23:42]
decimation	gulz at your party gonna configure their services	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	shit.	[23:42]
decimation	this is why half the 'cloud' shit even exists	[23:42]
asciilifeform	jurov made this observation in october	[23:42]
asciilifeform	that upnp will have to be grudgingly brought back, if only as a separate process	[23:42]
decimation	because nat fucks up everything	[23:42]
asciilifeform	(outside of bitcoind)	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/b6/cb6523a6-02dc-5cc2-be49-762e7e525851/5514637854c52.image.jpg << is that actualy a gun ?	[23:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Csuteg )	[23:43]
asciilifeform	if the thing is to be given to 'civilians'	[23:43]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'mossberg'	[23:43]
asciilifeform	three-round '12 ga' mag	[23:43]
asciilifeform	the other two barrels, no idea	[23:44]
decimation	is that the bot they sent after the boston bombers	[23:44]
asciilifeform	(speaking of the black barrel)	[23:44]
asciilifeform	decimation: nope	[23:44]
asciilifeform	decimation: from earlier newpiece today re: a tax guy	[23:44]
decimation	heh	[23:44]
decimation	it has some kind of other gun on its left 'arm'	[23:44]
decimation	maybe paintball?	[23:44]
asciilifeform	i count 3 barrels	[23:44]
asciilifeform	brb	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072978 << yeah.	[23:45]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 20:44:33; asciilifeform: still think 'usg as high-tech north kr is impossible', ?	[23:45]
decimation	one of them might be a laser	[23:45]
decimation	although it is a large barrel for a laser	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	i'd expect smoke launchers etc.	[23:45]
decimation	usians have been brainwashed too long to be turned into north kr-ites	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2015#1072986 << everyone's going to be the first guy to stick a finger in teenaged pussy. FOREVER.	[23:46]
assbot	Logged on 26-03-2015 21:28:26; jurov: " is set to become the world’s first trading platform with a direct connection to the classic banking system" davout perhaps you may something to say about that?	[23:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166947 @ 0.00024425 = 40.7768 BTC [-] {2}	[23:52]
decimation	weirdly the dec 19 SPY put option with the most open interest is 135	[23:53]
decimation	current 'money' is at 205	[23:54]
nubbins`	asciilifeform danielpbarron etc http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QHGEWZdn	[23:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1CsuWgk )	[23:58]

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