Forum logs for 26 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/06/19/daniellemaye-30789/images/full/05.jpg	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	dem shoes	[00:02]
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mircea_popescu	mthreat all this "we gotta say something and we have no idea what to say so here's a collection of copypasted material with filler" shit...	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	fiat people : stop trying to pretend bitcoin is fiat. bitcoin is not fiat. more importantly, your expiration date is in the past.	[00:04]
rithm	evoorhees according to that article left 5100BTC positive and $50,000 usd negative in fines	[00:05]
rithm	which sounds like a terribll terribly punitive slap on the wrist	[00:05]
rithm	but yeah that regurgitated	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	rithm the misguided pretense as to jurisdiction is starting to get on my nerves. sec doesn't actually make it, but all sorts of dr foreskin lapdogs fall over each other to "create consensus"	[00:08]
rithm	if you can tell them to fuck off, and trendon can lie to them and destroy evidence, and erik can keep all his bitcoins and fay a minor usd fine.....	[00:09]
rithm	nm i decided not to finish that sentence	[00:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00083085 = 6.4806 BTC [+]	[00:09]
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rithm	also aparently the IRS only keep backup tapes for 6 months	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	well that depends. if it suits them, they only keep them for 6 months.	[00:10]
rithm	that's what i learned	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, you're "legally required" to keep the records for... ever.	[00:11]
rithm	why have i been filing these taxes and keeping these papers for so long if I can just say "i dunno"	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	i so wouldlike to see someone grow some fucking balls and argue in court that they're not hold to do anything the irs wants because well... the irs doesn't follow the law.	[00:11]
ThickAsThieves	"As we have capacity available and as we gain more capacity, we will be activating more people in Cloud Mining. As we ship out hardware and disable the people with Cloud Mining after they have their hardware shipped, we will allocate that capacity to the next people in line. "	[00:13]
ThickAsThieves	BFL, the hits keep coming	[00:13]
ThickAsThieves	they are giving people rented hash shares instead of shipping their hardware	[00:13]
ThickAsThieves	pretty awesome stuff	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	please keep buying shit at par, we'll give you rented hashes for 5% six months later	[00:14]
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mircea_popescu	the gigavps method	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile the sec is too fucking snotty to actually get to work at strangling these idiots.	[00:14]
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rithm	mircea_popescu, even better rent the burn-in period as "cloud hashing"	[00:18]
rithm	it's really all the same	[00:18]
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mircea_popescu	!up felipelalli	[00:19]
-assbot-	You voiced felipelalli for 30 minutes.	[00:19]
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mircea_popescu	"burn-in" lol	[00:19]
rithm	basically you could operate a pool of anonymous miners that constantly roll-over and get shipped to customers	[00:19]
rithm	as part of a lrger operation	[00:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083085 = 2.7418 BTC [+]	[00:21]
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ThickAsThieves	'How much of a threat is something like Bitcoin?' "We settle and pay out in 121 currencies ... once bitcoin is regulated ... why wouldn't we use bitcoin ... if it's regulated as a currency" ~ Western Union CEO	[00:22]
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mircea_popescu	truth is bitcoin is exactly going to kill them. western union has a market made out of illiterate peasants and assimilated non-persons, which is not really worth serving per se,	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	and a market of "hackers" let's say, ie, the sons and daughters of said iliterate peasants. who will just move to bitcoin.	[00:25]
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ThickAsThieves	Aereo lost huh	[00:25]
pankkake	WU is used for many scams, so they are truly in competition with Bitcoin	[00:25]
ThickAsThieves	"The 17 most important things Google announced at I/O" lol	[00:26]
rithm	i've seen WU operate in poor countries	[00:26]
rithm	it's a monopoly	[00:26]
rithm	i should say 3	[00:27]
mthreat	it's kinda like western union saying they won't use the internet until it's regulated	[00:27]
rithm	"countries" sounds like a lot	[00:27]
rithm	but i've seen them in mexico, the vigin islands, and western samoa	[00:27]
rithm	there's a WU on every block	[00:27]
pankkake	well that's what they're selling. send money, everywhere	[00:28]
pankkake	perhaps the real competitor is localbitcoins	[00:28]
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ThickAsThieves	"There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin, increasing the risk there could be inconsistencies in the financial reporting of bitcoin transactions. The lack of accounting rules means the coin will be accounted and reported using the most appropriate standards that exist making it challenging to compare GAAP between different companies	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	transacting in bitcoin. Investors should carefully watch and judge the reporting to make sure they understand, and agree, with management’s view." Moodys	[00:34]
ThickAsThieves	Name of the Day: Perianne Boring, of Boring & Company	[00:36]
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mircea_popescu	somebody failed to read up on the nz0	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	who was it ?	[00:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00082231 = 6.2496 BTC [-]	[00:52]
bitcoinpete	pankkake davout do either of you boys know anyone at the "house of bitcoin" in paris?	[00:52]
pankkake	I think davout does	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	No results found for "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin".	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	someone gotta up their googlefu	[00:53]
bitcoinpete	pankkake: heh cool	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	http://btctrading.wordpress.com/2014/05/06/offtopic-abandoning-bitstamp/ < pankkake wrong link ?	[00:53]
assbot	Page not found \| Bitcoin Trading Signals	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	mp the quote was not from PR	[00:54]
ThickAsThieves	internal data sheet	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	"The poorly thought trust system also highly favor said organization" favors. cause singular.	[00:54]
pankkake	I think he removed the post	[00:54]
bitcoinpete	a "bitcoiner" i know from calgary is in paris atm and headed to the house of bitcoin	[00:54]
bitcoinpete	apparently they knew yours truly from twitter and -assets	[00:54]
bitcoinpete	was curious if any of the house of bitcoiners were here	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves internal to whom ?	[00:55]
ThickAsThieves	"Sector Comment" looks like an internal newsletter or somesuch	[00:56]
ThickAsThieves	it has a "Rate this Research" button on the bottom, so i'm guessing itll be on their website somewhere	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	right but i mean of whom or what or in general, who needs to be hit over the head with the observation that the bitcoin space has had a gaap for years and they're being ignorant.	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[00:57]
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mircea_popescu	just because scammers don't use gaap in fiat too doesn't give ignoramuses aspiring to comment the right to pretend gaap doesn't exist, or its use isn't legally mandatory.	[00:57]
ThickAsThieves	it's by Jason Cuomo, Senior Accounting Analyst & Jeffrey Berg, Senior Vice President	[00:58]
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ThickAsThieves	Production Associate, Srinivasan Raghavan	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	there's about 50 diff lawyers of that name. anyway.	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	is this some sort of webcast ?	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	i have ph# if you really want it	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	no it's pdf from a friend that knows a guy at Moodys	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	finding the source link to a quote has never been this difficult	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	a. well then i guess friend can see the log or w/e.	[00:59]
ThickAsThieves	Report Number: 167942	[00:59]
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thestringpuller	girls just wanna have fuuuun	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	anyway this aereo thing is going to cause problems in the future.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	“Why should any of these technological differences matter?” Breyer wrote. “They concern the behind-the-scenes way in which Aereo delivers television programming to its viewers’ screens. They do not render Aereo’s commercial objective any different from that of cable companies.”	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	"we decided not to go by what things are, but by what things seem to us" is nothing but an open invitation to be scammed.	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	“It is not the role of this court to identify and plug loopholes,” Scalia wrote. “It is the role of good lawyers to identify and exploit them, and the role of Congress to eliminate them if it wishes.” << i could see scalia as bitcoin chief justice.	[01:02]
ThickAsThieves	he's said some crazy shit though	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	like ?	[01:02]
justusranvier	It is the role of that court to present the peasants with the illusion of fair play and the rule of law so they don't revolt. They aren't doing a very good job.	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	i forget exactly, we've discussed it here i think	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=scalia	[01:03]
assbot	14 results for 'scalia' - #bitcoin-assets search	[01:03]
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mircea_popescu	justusranvier i dunno. as a compulsive reader of supreme court caselaw up until about the 70s i must say it was pretty good literature.	[01:04]
justusranvier	They used to do a much better job of maintaining the illusion.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	i guess that argument is always available.	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	anyway, bbl!	[01:04]
justusranvier	mircea_popescu: For when you get back: http://faculty.msb.edu/hasnasj/GTWebSite/MythWeb.htm	[01:06]
justusranvier	Try not to let the atrocious web design detract from the content.	[01:06]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/ Odds: 83(Y):17(N) by coin, 76(Y):24(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.40421879 BTC. Current weight: 48,020.	[01:07]
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davout	bitcoinpete: yeah, i know the guys and the place	[01:11]
davout	wai	[01:11]
moiety	someone tell me again why i run a site that attracts utter retardation on a frequent basis	[01:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7719 @ 0.00082254 = 6.3492 BTC [+]	[01:12]
bitcoinpete	davout seems they follow the action on -assets and know who i am, much to the surprise of a developer i know visiting paris	[01:13]
dub	wat is house of bitcoin?	[01:13]
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bitcoinpete	it's a bit surprising to me too because most of those community-minded types wouldn't (and couldn't) touch -assets with a 10 ft stick	[01:13]
davout	dub: it's like a coworking space/atm spot/meetup place	[01:14]
bitcoinpete	dub my guess is an embassy/work space/community	[01:14]
bitcoinpete	right	[01:14]
dub	sounds like it should contain wax statues of scammers and retards	[01:14]
bitcoinpete	there's one in new york, tel aviv, montreal, etc	[01:14]
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bitcoinpete	dub sorta	[01:15]
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bitcoinpete	they should really just be here instead	[01:15]
davout	the guys are also behind the french "association bitcoin"	[01:15]
bitcoinpete	and no doubt they're pushing for merchant adoption. and regulation	[01:15]
dub	is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto	[01:16]
davout	dub: that sounds like redditspeak	[01:16]
dub	give a troll a break, trying to fill my quota here	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	justusranvier lol that's quickly becoming one of the most loved b-a links	[01:24]
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mircea_popescu	moiety cause you're new ?	[01:24]
pankkake	I googled "Bitcoin is not a payment network" and guess who I end up finding… MPOE-PR	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	surprise surprise	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	(but yes I said it first)	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto << don't knock it, it's a splendid strategy.	[01:26]
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davout	"(but yes I said it first)" <<< i think i said that in 2010 ;)	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	but since pankkake got me re-reading old things, yea, i like this fluffypony bit :	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	"That last point probably needs some elaboration. You see, #bitcoin-assets makes a distinction between “being wrong” and “being stupid”. If you are “wrong” about something the implication is (and should be) that you are self-aware enough to explain your reasoning well enough that one of three outcomes occur: those in conversation either come round to your point of view; or they agree that you have a valid l	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	ine of reasoning and are entitled to hold that viewpoint; or your self-awareness and general level of intelligence allows you to change your opinion or view. Thus, being “wrong” (or having to defend your view) is encouraged!"	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	davout yeah but yours doesn't count because it was before mine!	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/9365/725/avatar92.jpg?1394547263 << tat avatar ?	[01:31]
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davout	mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpusbL62eB4&feature=kp	[01:31]
assbot	Orlando's - YouTube	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	btw, nigeria lost	[01:32]
davout	yo, playing france on the 30th	[01:32]
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mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[01:33]
davout	france vs. ecuador was such a fucking pain to watch	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	are they playing the women's french team ?	[01:33]
bitcoinpete	pankkake: are you on twitter?	[01:34]
pankkake	no	[01:34]
bitcoinpete	a ok	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	he threatened to kill trayvon martin	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	and got suspended	[01:34]
bitcoinpete	lol	[01:35]
bitcoinpete	just wanted to see if i could attribute your articles there	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	he has a blog	[01:36]
pankkake	funny though, friends randomly met some guy that knew me from what.cd, I have achieved mild internet celebrity	[01:36]
bitcoinpete	i doubt @headfucking is taken	[01:36]
bitcoinpete	ok confirmed now, it's free	[01:36]
davout	or takeable i'd assume	[01:36]
pankkake	I had a Twitter account but was never really active, and closed it years ago	[01:36]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: agreed. blog > twitter	[01:37]
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davout	hm, i guess @fuck is taken, so tis possibru	[01:37]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/fuckme	[01:38]
assbot	The Watcher (fuckme) auf Twitter	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	dead since 2011	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	roughly speaking the year twitter peaked.	[01:38]
bitcoinpete	pretty much	[01:39]
bitcoinpete	2010 seemed to be the coming out party	[01:39]
bitcoinpete	2011 was probably tops	[01:39]
bitcoinpete	and here we are, 3 years on. starting new blogs	[01:39]
pankkake	I had a blog when it was trendy to have one	[01:40]
bitcoinpete	lol donations! http://www.coindesk.com/adopt-node-project-aims-bolster-bitcoin-network-security/	[01:40]
assbot	'Adopt a Node' Project Aims to Bolster Bitcoin Network Security	[01:40]
bitcoinpete	pankkake: and when was this?	[01:40]
moiety	i'm learning quick though mircea_popescu :]	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	:p remember kitten, one of the first things i said to you was wtf you doing with the doge	[01:41]
pankkake	my first post is probably 2004	[01:41]
moiety	do yous remember the failed attampt at a bitcoin facebook?	[01:41]
davout	moiety: lol no, shoot	[01:41]
moiety	mircea_popescu: a question I have since repeated tomyself so many times.	[01:42]
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moiety	davout, it was exactly the same as facebook but orange and had bitcoin symbols everywhere. i think it failed so badly, theytried to sell it and couldn't even pan it off	[01:42]
pankkake	wait I've been running a node for years, can I get paid?!	[01:42]
pankkake	or is it only funding nodes ran by the same guy (but decentralization!)	[01:43]
bitcoinpete	pankkake: running nodes, writing for your blog, everything should get you paid!	[01:43]
pankkake	actually, first post: September 2003	[01:43]
bitcoinpete	solid	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	on reading http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/f-derp-short-risky-bitcoin-startups/2014/06/25 towards where it says "the log of the original discussion", am i the only one for whom that link comes as some sort of doge thing rather than a log linkj ?	[01:43]
assbot	F.DERP, A New Bitcoin Short-Only Hedge Fund Targeting Major Bitcoin Startups	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	somethign weird going on with overlays in there	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	pankkake can you believe the braindamage ?	[01:44]
TheNewDeal	ok I have a stupid question. What happens if I have two vending machines that sit side by side and both accept bitcoin. Will people have to wait for 6 confirmations to receive goods, or is there some other way to receive their bitcoin safely?	[01:45]
pankkake	link is ok, thank god for noscript/requestpolicy/etc	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal at the size of your purchase you can prollylet them go on one confirm. who's gonna dblspend for a can of coke	[01:46]
TheNewDeal	friggin candy addicts	[01:46]
pankkake	do you think they will double spend to buy cheap food? in a physical location?	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	you got a better deal with this than with them putting in us quarters anyway.	[01:47]
TheNewDeal	ok what happens if I have a laundromat and the washer accept bitcoin. Someone finds out they can just come and get two loads for the price of 1, dry 2 loads for the price of 1, etc	[01:47]
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mircea_popescu	ya right,.	[01:47]
justusranvier	re: getting paid to operate nodes: http://sourceforce.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/32467926/	[01:47]
assbot	sourceforce.net	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	someone doing that much hash doesn't need your puny 5kw tumble drier	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	they got their very own 12 MW thing	[01:48]
TheNewDeal	do you need to hash at all?	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[01:48]
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TheNewDeal	I thought you could just send 2 transactions before a block is mined	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	so you'd see the other one first ?	[01:48]
TheNewDeal	doesnt propagation take on the scale of minutes?	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	6 confirms (as opposed to 1 confirm) only matters if they are actively mining and attacking the chain	[01:48]
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mircea_popescu	1 confirm (as opposed to 0 confirms) helps if they try to isolate you in the convey txn graph	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	but this you can fight by keeping good peers.	[01:49]
pankkake	nodes shouldn't propagate the doublespent tx if they have the first, but of course it's not 100% reliable	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	it's about 96% reliable atm i think	[01:50]
TheNewDeal	couldn't any derp go to blockchain tho?	[01:50]
TheNewDeal	just use the doublespend feature	[01:50]
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pankkake	you mean bitundo?	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	it';s not really all that trivial.	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	nobody's doublespending your .85 bitcent stale sandwich	[01:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0163868 = 0.8193 BTC [+] {2}	[01:51]
TheNewDeal	more concerned about the laundry :D	[01:51]
davout	am i the only one to think it's actually stupid to not relay double spends ?	[01:51]
mike_c	this was explored exhaustively with satoshi dice. some serious gymnastics pulled it off with trivial amounts, and SD then reacted and closed that loophole as well.	[01:51]
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pankkake	davout: I've read some interesting debates but I don't remember them	[01:51]
TheNewDeal	can I get a linky to their solution?	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	yeah, what mike_c said.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	davout not really much diff. sort-of poisons you as it were.	[01:52]
moiety	davout: I can't find any screens of it. here's the logo https://bitcointa.lk/data/avatars/m/78/78316.jpg?1393513983 Bitcoin Socially it was called.	[01:52]
mike_c	the double spend had to do with making the SD tx ugly (lots of inputs), and double-spending with a fee. SD just started using fees and problem went away iirc.	[01:52]
davout	mircea_popescu: "sort-of poisons you as it were." <<< does not parse	[01:53]
pankkake	iirc the payment protocol (I know, right) can make propagating the transaction the responsibility of the merchant	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	davout type 1 (pick one tx, relay that) "poisons" the nodes that got the dblspend. type 2 (relay all) doesn't.	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	imo type 1 behaviour is better	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	but they don't make that much difference	[01:54]
davout	pankkake mircea_popescu i tend to think it's better to transparently relay both txes, so that they're much easier to detect if you care about them	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	well yeah. conversely, type 1 makes it obvious which nodes get poisoned	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	would you rather see the bad tx or the "bad" nodes ?	[01:55]
davout	i think it's easier to handle an obvious double spend than to keep track of 'good' vs. 'evil' nodes	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	seeing how blacklisting is still a thing, consensus kinda favoured current behaviour for good game theoretic reasons	[01:55]
pankkake	https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/3354	[01:55]
assbot	Relay first-double-spend transactions by gavinandresen Pull Request #3354 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	it was argued this isn't so smart. but anyway	[01:56]
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Naphex	anyone can recommend a easy tool to sign multi-sig transactions ?	[01:58]
Naphex	to pass to a noob to sign his stuff	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	anyway, node behaviour is going to be the major topic of 2015 i suspect.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	they have no incentive (perhaps the best candidate for a satoshi oversight is not putting any incentive for tx relay at all) to behave properly and a lot of different types of misbehaviours necessarily include themn	[01:59]
TheNewDeal	why so	[01:59]
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davout	mircea_popescu: "it was argued this isn't so smart." <<< i'd be interested in reading the argument	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	davout you're mostly rehashing it right now ?	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	anyway, salmon's here. bbl #2!	[02:01]
davout	mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i'm usually not very fond of arguments that nodes should behave a particular way, simply interested in the case against transparently relaying all legal txes, even if they are double spends	[02:03]
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TheNewDeal	well what happens to a node that has a transaction and receives information about a double spend of that transaction?	[02:05]
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mike_c	you mean what happens when a block is orphaned?	[02:06]
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TheNewDeal	hmmm	[02:06]
TheNewDeal	i just started reading about this statoshi client today so forgive my ignorance http://coinchomp.com/2014/05/07/announcing-statoshi-realtime-bitcoin-node-statistics/	[02:06]
assbot	Announcing Statoshi: Realtime Bitcoin Node Statistics - CoinChomp	[02:06]
davout	TheNewDeal: you don't double spend a transaction, you double spend an output, but other than that, nothing really until one of them gets into a mined block, more information can't really hurt	[02:06]
TheNewDeal	unless of course you're receiving an immediate service	[02:07]
TheNewDeal	isn't there something about nodes being banned for like 24 hours for bad behavior?	[02:07]
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TheNewDeal	I'm just thinking in terms of my vending machine example	[02:09]
TheNewDeal	might be in full retard mode	[02:09]
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mthreat	anyone loaded the blockchain into a graph database like neo4j? google released another graph database today, https://github.com/google/cayley	[02:11]
assbot	google/cayley GitHub	[02:11]
davout	mthreat: i know a guy that did if you're interdasted	[02:11]
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bitcoinpete	on the bitbettery: http://trilema.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/#comment-101741 nao with fickst avatar!	[02:12]
assbot	The results of the World Cup experiment. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:12]
davout	TheNewDeal: i think what you're referring to is nodes banning some of their peers, you don't really ban nodes from the network	[02:12]
TheNewDeal	yes indeed	[02:12]
TheNewDeal	wasn't sure if it was considered bad behavior to propagate a double spent output	[02:13]
mthreat	davout: ya i'm kind of interested - any interesting results?	[02:13]
dignork	Naphex: if it's 2-3 multisig, check bitrated.com, it allows to use online generated keys, or just use pubkeys	[02:13]
davout	TheNewDeal: if you give some low value thing in exchange for a zero-conf tx, you might find it useful to immediately get the information that someone is attempting a double spend, rather than having the info cock-blocked	[02:13]
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davout	mthreat: i didn't really dig, what kind of results are you after ?	[02:14]
Naphex	dignork: nah something custom, just sign a multisig with a privkey	[02:14]
mthreat	davout: nothing specific.. just seems like there could be some interesting stuff, watching the flow of coins	[02:14]
dignork	Naphex: https://github.com/spesmilo/sx then	[02:15]
assbot	spesmilo/sx GitHub	[02:15]
davout	mthreat: have you read the paper from adi shamir and dorit ron?	[02:15]
mthreat	davout: yeah	[02:15]
Naphex	the yeah i know sx, but needed something to give to a noob. who won;t be able to command line it:P	[02:16]
bitcoinpete	;;later tell mircea_popescu which trilema article featured this dood ? seem to recall seeing mr. wonderful there at some point http://www.businessinsider.com/chen-guangbiao-lunch-cash-giveaway-2014-6	[02:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:16]
assbot	Chen Guangbiao Lunch Cash Giveaway - Business Insider	[02:16]
Naphex	but i'll probably write something simple to sign it	[02:16]
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davout	mthreat: so you know as much as i do ;) i'll put you in touch with the guy that did it if you want to implement sthg on your side	[02:16]
mthreat	davout: ah.. no that's ok.. thanks	[02:17]
davout	Naphex: you apparently haven't learned the "don't give people bitcoins if they ain't educated enough to handle them themselves" lesson heh?	[02:17]
Naphex	davout: just need em to sign a transaction once in a while	[02:20]
thestringpuller	davout: hah. but if those people make us look better.	[02:21]
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davout	Naphex: maybe an idea would be for them to simply use the qt built-in console rather than a full-fledged terminal?	[02:24]
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Naphex	davout: yep, but you need to make a json array with the redeemScript, inputs and script-pubkey	[02:25]
Naphex	which requires quite some manual work	[02:25]
Naphex	would probably be easier with bash and terminal	[02:25]
Naphex	then with current bitcoin-cli multisig	[02:26]
dignork	Naphex: you can show them full json on site/send by email w/e	[02:26]
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Naphex	yeah - will probably just write some simple tool	[02:26]
Naphex	put raw transaction in, + privkey sign it	[02:27]
Naphex	i create transaction and just pass it	[02:27]
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Naphex	probably even simplify and use lotsa scrypt rounds and use a password to gen priv key	[02:29]
Naphex	then they can just sign with password	[02:29]
dignork	Naphex: look at bitrated.com, they did it properly, and their code is on github	[02:30]
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dignork	actually they - shesek, you can talk to him	[02:31]
Naphex	its no problem, was just looking for a already made tool	[02:31]
dignork	Naphex: there is also http://ms-brainwallet.org/ , but it's horribly wrong	[02:32]
assbot	Multi-Signature Brainwallet - JavaScript Client-Side Bitcoin Address Generator	[02:32]
Naphex	dignork: thx, haven't seen this one before	[02:32]
Naphex	only the outcast one which looked to only work with its own privkeys	[02:33]
Naphex	dunno why the hell	[02:33]
Naphex	dignork: lol, ms-brainwallet doesn't look right needing both keys :)	[02:33]
dignork	yeah, braindead	[02:33]
dignork	it was a POC code I assume	[02:34]
Naphex	probably	[02:34]
Naphex	but kinda fits, what i was looking for is something where you input transaction, signed & composed by person A	[02:34]
Naphex	and person B can just sign it providing redemption + privkey	[02:34]
dignork	yeah, but it expects two privkeys :)	[02:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00082446 = 1.484 BTC [+]	[02:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.04765432 = 1.7632 BTC [+] {3}	[02:35]
Naphex	and the raw transaction is read only :P	[02:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0478 = 2.151 BTC [+]	[02:36]
Naphex	bitcoinjs looks to have multisig support	[02:39]
Naphex	maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that	[02:39]
dignork	Naphex: dealing with noobs, worst question is: how do I get a pubkey	[02:39]
mike_c	<+Naphex> maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that << famous last words?	[02:40]
Naphex	mike_c: its just for signing a transactions that is already composed and signed, multi sig also	[02:40]
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Naphex	i wouldn't care much even if 2nd key got compromised, since the raw pre-signed transaction delivered is already composed	[02:40]
mike_c	"JavaScript-based cryptography" just sounds.. terrifying.	[02:41]
Naphex	i agree	[02:41]
Naphex	but for signing a multisig not that bad	[02:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00082446 = 5.5239 BTC [+]	[02:42]
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ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/users/9365/725/avatar92.jpg?1394547263 << tat avatar ? /// I think it's my disqus avatar	[02:44]
ThickAsThieves	never forget!	[02:44]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it /// until someone makes some AirbndUberApp that makes doublespending a crowdgoal or whatever	[02:46]
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atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 382007.64 in 1850 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -25.32	[03:58]
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moiety	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/new-creationist-museum-explains-how-noah-managed-to-fit-dinosaurs-on-the-ark-9552108.html	[04:16]
assbot	New creationist museum explains how Noah managed to fit dinosaurs on the ark - Weird News - News - The Independent	[04:16]
TheNewDeal	nice	[04:18]
TheNewDeal	was wondering how he did dat	[04:18]
TheNewDeal	I'm getting really excited for this silk road auction. Can't wait to see how it goes down	[04:20]
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benkay	makes perfect sense, mo	[04:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.0008255 = 12.7953 BTC [+]	[04:55]
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Mats_cd03	why bring babies when you can bring a carton of dinosaur eggs	[05:21]
Mats_cd03	DUH	[05:21]
moiety	ya, i am so glad they cleared that one up	[05:23]
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moiety	i was marooned on the sofa for some time due to a rather fast large spider travelling around my livingroom floor	[05:24]
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bloctoc	has anyone discussed how they decided to purchase 200BTC worth of BPAY?	[05:30]
ThickAsThieves	it's not THAT absurd, if you can afford it	[05:31]
mike_c	huh? looks like ~25btc	[05:31]
TheNewDeal	I think it's slightly absurd because the whole F.Derp is just in its beginning stages	[05:32]
mike_c	!t m d.bpay	[05:32]
assbot	[MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 7D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC), 30D: 0.25 / 0.25 / 0.25 (100 shares, 25.00 BTC)	[05:32]
bloctoc	not saying it's absurd, it's a serious question.	[05:32]
mike_c	^ 25.00 btc	[05:32]
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bloctoc	the detail page has 900 shares, the overview has 100 shares if I'm reading it right, then something's amis	[05:33]
bloctoc	s	[05:33]
mike_c	those are the shares mp is offering for sale	[05:33]
mike_c	he offered 1000, 100 have been bought	[05:33]
bloctoc	oh, got it.	[05:33]
bloctoc	25 BTC I can see not feeling too bad if you guess wrong.	[05:35]
bloctoc	but feeling good if you guess right	[05:36]
bloctoc	of course, it's probably more sophisticated than that	[05:36]
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benkay	one might consider...hedging.	[05:38]
TheNewDeal	well BPay shares can be sold at a later date, no?	[05:39]
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bloctoc	I don't see how anyone would be able to hedge bpay today	[05:40]
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bloctoc	they would have to be sold at a later date since there are no buy orders yet.	[05:41]
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benkay	D.BPAY or the actual shares?	[05:43]
benkay	what, hold btc's not a good enough hedge?	[05:43]
benkay	D.BPAY is a hedge against the fartup cirkus producing something with market value in the next year or w/e	[05:44]
benkay	bloctoc:	[05:44]
bloctoc	that's a bet, not a hedge	[05:44]
TheNewDeal	F.DERP is the hedge	[05:44]
Mats_cd03	on the subject of bets, write a proper proposition and that can be your hedge.	[05:45]
TheNewDeal	against the group of derps	[05:45]
Mats_cd03	problem solved	[05:45]
Mats_cd03	thanks kako	[05:45]
benkay	buy F.DERP, buy D.*, ams hedged	[05:45]
TheNewDeal	F.Derp was made to short the basket of derps	[05:45]
bloctoc	proposition on bitbet you mean?	[05:45]
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Mats_cd03	yes	[05:46]
TheNewDeal	implied	[05:46]
benkay	yeah, F takes you short, D takes you long	[05:46]
benkay	hedging against their bringing something to market is betting that they do	[05:46]
TheNewDeal	the strange thing is how the D pays out	[05:47]
benkay	please correct me, bloctoc	[05:47]
benkay	what's strange about it, TheNewDeal ?	[05:47]
bloctoc	I thought S.MPOE was F.DERP and I don't see F.DERP Am I Right?	[05:47]
TheNewDeal	talked about it earlier	[05:47]
TheNewDeal	but the gist is this	[05:47]
TheNewDeal	in a theoretical scenario, a company pays for the worth of the startup	[05:48]
TheNewDeal	talking about an aquisition type here	[05:48]
TheNewDeal	so the stock of the acquirer shouldn't really change	[05:48]
TheNewDeal	Example was. If Bitpay is worth 1Billion usd, FB forks over 1 Billion USD, FB valuation stays same	[05:49]
TheNewDeal	in reality, FB stock is volatile, could potentially have a large shift in the 30 day period	[05:49]
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bloctoc	benkay where did you discover F.DERP?	[05:52]
thestringpuller	!mpif	[05:52]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]	[05:52]
benkay	bloctoc: logs	[05:52]
bloctoc	I see it - this whole hedging discussion makes sense now. thanks	[05:54]
TheNewDeal	bloctoc https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z	[05:55]
assbot	Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip	[05:55]
benkay	for a second i was hoping to learn something there :D	[05:56]
benkay	maybe mircea_popescu comes by later to school me	[05:57]
TheNewDeal	did my explanation make any sense about an acquisition type event?	[05:58]
bloctoc	you had me until "FB Stock is volatile". Meanwhile I understand the concept of hedging, I just didn't realize when I asked the question that there was such a thing as F.DERP	[06:00]
benkay	can't have puts without calls, etc	[06:01]
bloctoc	not legally anyway...	[06:01]
Mats_cd03	uh...	[06:02]
Mats_cd03	nothing to do with law, this is how it works	[06:03]
bloctoc	not legally where I live anyway..	[06:03]
benkay	no no, the market just falls over with one and not the other	[06:03]
benkay	naked shorts bad, covered shorts good	[06:03]
benkay	going long without commensurate short options is cuh-fukken-razy	[06:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.04285624 = 1.0714 BTC [-] {3}	[06:18]
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TheNewDeal	Per the world cup article http://trilema.com/2014/the-results-of-the-world-cup-experiment/ . I think BitBet should allow zeroconf bets simultaneously on Yes and No, especially if they move to requiring a 2 BTC minimum.	[06:22]
assbot	The results of the World Cup experiment. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:22]
TheNewDeal	The site profits off total volume, not someone forking over a risky bet on one side	[06:23]
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TheNewDeal	Also, why is it said that BitBet "fronts" .1 BTC on the bet? I thought they split .1 BTC, some portion going to the original bettor, and the other portion is a wager that will pay the site	[06:27]
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Mats_cd03	the bet is seeded. look at the first two wagers for each bet	[06:31]
benkay	;;later tell TheNewDeal you had it right the first time	[06:37]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[06:37]
Mats_cd03	o...join leaves r disabled on my client ffs	[06:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04202638 = 2.1013 BTC [-] {6}	[06:44]
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benkay	there's always tab-complete, Mats_cd03	[06:46]
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benkay	look who's joining us	[06:46]
benkay	hey baby doll	[06:47]
benkay	play me some jamz?	[06:47]
Vexual	i think kako might anuerism	[06:47]
benkay	eh, that's his problem	[06:47]
Vexual	yeah.. well	[06:51]
benkay	i guess yours then as well	[06:51]
benkay	kakos problems are all of our problems	[06:51]
Vexual	maybe so	[06:52]
Vexual	it might make it harder to bet not chinese on the ladies tennis	[06:52]
benkay	beer empty	[06:56]
benkay	going home	[06:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.0008239 = 63.6875 BTC [-] {2}	[06:57]
Vexual	syntax error	[06:59]
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Vexual	g'day cazalla	[07:15]
cazalla	hey Vexual	[07:15]
Vexual	how are ya mate?	[07:15]
cazalla	tired, missus is out getting hair done so im stuck with baby	[07:15]
cazalla	you?	[07:16]
Vexual	yeah painfully sober	[07:16]
Vexual	did you see big clive palmer with al gore?	[07:16]
cazalla	nah, i don't follow it closely nor do i vote	[07:17]
cazalla	what's he up to?	[07:17]
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Vexual	he flew gore in to stand next to him at a press conference and give the nod to repealing the carbon tax with a view to setting up interational emmissions trading	[07:19]
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cazalla	on his own dime or taxpayers?	[07:20]
Vexual	well there are no details	[07:21]
Vexual	hes a funny bugger	[07:21]
cazalla	you would've loved dinner last night, crumbed rabbit, pan fried for 5 and then into oven for 30m	[07:22]
Vexual	he rolled up to parliment in his vintage silver shadow a few weeks back, van morrison blasting, hopped out and gave a speech to the waiting press about how politicians should pay for their own cars	[07:23]
Vexual	what did you have with it?	[07:23]
cazalla	rocket salad	[07:23]
cazalla	and some thai dipping sauce from coles heh	[07:23]
Vexual	that sounds too good	[07:24]
cazalla	have a bunch of livers to make pate with on weekend too	[07:24]
Vexual	rabbit pate is a thing?	[07:24]
cazalla	supposedly, i've never had or made it before, i've been keeping livers frozen as it didn't seem worthwhile to make a small amount and i butcher them as needed so it's not like i have a lot of livers at once	[07:25]
cazalla	i can't imagine it taste too different from chicken pate etc	[07:25]
Vexual	maybe not	[07:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04100001 = 0.902 BTC [-]	[07:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.04100002 = 0.656 BTC [+]	[07:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.041 = 1.558 BTC [-]	[07:38]
bloctoc	http://savetoby.com/	[07:38]
assbot	Savetoby.com \| Only YOU have the power to Save Toby!	[07:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.04050001 = 0.9315 BTC [-]	[07:45]
Vexual	I'll have the Lapin Braisé	[07:45]
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cazalla	lol toby	[07:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82100 @ 0.00082367 = 67.6233 BTC [-] {6}	[08:01]
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benkay	so how much did the rabbit go for?	[08:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00082588 = 10.4887 BTC [+]	[08:06]
Vexual	its about $16kilo dressed	[08:07]
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mircea_popescu	o look at all the logs	[08:21]
mircea_popescu	!up Ken`	[08:21]
-assbot-	You voiced Ken` for 30 minutes.	[08:21]
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moiety	I've been thinking about salmon since you left	[08:22]
mircea_popescu	came out pretty good	[08:23]
moiety	i'm gonna have to get some today	[08:24]
Vexual	skin on needs to be fryed hard on that side	[08:24]
cazalla	skin is the best bit	[08:24]
Vexual	yeah but if it's not fried fast enough it's chewy	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete not so sure i did. o wait, http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/ right you are	[08:25]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[08:25]
assbot	Most wrong and absolutely wrongest pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[08:25]
mircea_popescu	cazalla i usually throw it away	[08:26]
mircea_popescu	this sushi place i go to has salmon skin rolls, i'm like... wtf, make me an orange and banana peels salad next	[08:26]
Vexual	i remove it just for knife skills	[08:26]
cazalla	sacrilege	[08:28]
cazalla	i wish i could buy skin only	[08:28]
moiety	ew	[08:29]
Vexual	lets do a deal	[08:29]
Vexual	the diff in price at the shop is more than the knife skills and the weight combined	[08:29]
moiety	they left the scales on haddock once in a restaurant i as at. i don't know if it was a mistake or that happens anywhere in the world but just.. no.	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	AirbndUberApp, that sounds unavoidable.	[08:30]
Vexual	cazalla, remember these people probabl;y get real atlantic salmon too	[08:30]
mircea_popescu	"it's like airbnb of messaging and uber of boarding houses rolled into a joint and whazzup dude ?"	[08:31]
Vexual	we get it's cousin	[08:31]
mircea_popescu	Vexual ba is on a river. salmon lives here.	[08:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00082588 = 10.3235 BTC [+]	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	moiety: i was marooned on the sofa for some time due to a rather fast large spider travelling around my livingroom floor <<< ahahaha so cute	[08:32]
cazalla	Vexual: how about aussie salmon :P ugh	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	bloctoc: they would have to be sold at a later date since there are no buy orders yet. << actually that 25 was a buy order iirc	[08:33]
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Vexual	i love me some aussie salmon	[08:33]
cazalla	really?	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: Example was. If Bitpay is worth 1Billion usd, FB forks over 1 Billion USD, FB valuation stays same << this is an example out of the "spherical chicken in vacuum" variety.	[08:34]
cazalla	Vexual: i always throw them back	[08:35]
Vexual	what are you trying to catch?	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: The site profits off total volume, not someone forking over a risky bet on one side << nobody prevents you from covering the short end after bet is approved.	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	if you figure your odds are 2:5 put 2 btc on the short odds then put .8 on the long odds and there you go.	[08:36]
moiety	scottish salmon is lovely cazalla	[08:36]
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Vexual	mircea_popesu:saw your blog salmon, looked nice and fat; was it local?	[08:37]
dub	I dont think aussie salmon has anything to do with salmon	[08:37]
cazalla	dub: spot on	[08:37]
moiety	oh	[08:37]
cazalla	it's foul	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	Vexual ya	[08:37]
cazalla	Vexual: tailor, whiting, bream, kingies	[08:37]
mircea_popescu	dub agreed. it's prolly scottish salmon	[08:37]
cazalla	get some leather jacket too	[08:37]
Vexual	is that in order>?	[08:37]
cazalla	aussie salmon is a great game fish but shitty eating	[08:38]
dub	cazalla: if aussie salmon is what I think it is then you are probably fucking it up	[08:38]
cazalla	Vexual: depends on time of year and where I am, I don't do much fishing down here in Melbourne, more so when I go up Sydney with my brother/father	[08:38]
Vexual	its called kahawai in nz	[08:38]
Vexual	aussie salmon	[08:38]
dub	you need to bleed it	[08:38]
cazalla	dub: maybe I am but I've tried numerous times and it always taste awful	[08:38]
cazalla	yeah I've bleed it	[08:39]
Vexual	did you ever smoke it?	[08:39]
cazalla	nope, how's that?	[08:39]
Vexual	well its an oily fish, so it smokes well	[08:39]
cazalla	i mean, you can get it at the fish market for 2.99 a kg that's how bad it is	[08:39]
moiety	smoked salmon is gorgeous	[08:39]
dub	its not oily if you bleed it	[08:39]
Vexual	where are you from dub?	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	its not oily if you bleed it << he's found the cure for colesterol.	[08:40]
dub	dublandistan	[08:40]
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Vexual	in australia we call what you know as salmon ocean trout	[08:41]
Vexual	and it'll slap you in the face its so good	[08:41]
Vexual	but then theres aussie salmon, which isnt salmon	[08:42]
Vexual	but thats what we call it	[08:42]
Vexual	coz is tastes gooode	[08:42]
benkay	!b 4	[08:42]
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benkay	Vexual what's wrong with you	[08:42]
benkay	when did you start making sense	[08:42]
benkay	who's taken over Vexual's computer?	[08:43]
Vexual	temporarily sober	[08:43]
moiety	he's sober today	[08:43]
benkay	o wait i read that in the log!	[08:43]
benkay	my sympathies	[08:43]
benkay	here, have a weird: https://twitter.com/saladinahmed/status/482000455921577984	[08:43]
assbot	This is a thing: Greenscreen-clad workers who secretly flip models' hair during shampoo commercials. http://t.co/tfHvykkxS8 ht /MakingOfs	[08:43]
dub	just about got my cholesterol bled out on the way home	[08:44]
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dub	pulled out from outside bar, dodge slow traffic lane, wot in clear lane, oncoming bbw buts across gab in slow lane into mine	[08:46]
dub	gap*	[08:46]
moiety	o.o	[08:47]
dub	ABS engaged, no seatbelt yet, jimmies retracting	[08:47]
Vexual	did you fuck her?	[08:50]
BingoBoingo	What, was the sidewalk to narrow for this bbw?	[08:50]
dub	Vexual: nearly	[08:52]
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Vexual	lol	[08:52]
Vexual	is your scooter okay?	[08:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.04498489 = 0.9897 BTC [-] {2}	[08:58]
BingoBoingo	%d	[09:09]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 402819.45 in 1812 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -21.25	[09:09]
Vexual	can't evenm tut at the devs	[09:10]
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davout	"in australia we call what you know as salmon ocean trout" <<< i saw already opened oysters being sold there Oo	[09:13]
Vexual	sydney?	[09:14]
davout	le gross	[09:14]
davout	melbourne	[09:14]
Vexual	oh	[09:14]
Vexual	sydney oysters are really good, its a thing	[09:14]
Vexual	and yes, they are provided open, because you are not an otter	[09:18]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[14:27]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 566.96, Best ask: 569.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.04000, Last trade: 569.0, 24 hour volume: 8263.87757571, 24 hour low: 554.45, 24 hour high: 572.87, 24 hour vwap: 563.04930274	[14:27]
BingoBoingo	%t	[14:32]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 278 Last Price: 279 24h-Vol: 70k High: 279 Low: 222 VWAP: 258	[14:32]
BingoBoingo	!mpif	[14:39]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]	[14:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43592 @ 0.0008251 = 35.9678 BTC [+] {3}	[14:42]
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pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665403.0 no one even mentions the only profitable investment on Havelock	[14:51]
assbot	Why Do You Invest?	[14:51]
pankkake	they just like shit too much	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	which was that ?	[14:53]
miaoux	midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[14:55]
miaoux	midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[14:55]
miaoux	midnightmagic MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[14:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22673 @ 0.00082369 = 18.6755 BTC [-] {3}	[14:55]
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punkman	but they are all profitable in lols	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	lol	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	YEAH!	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	profitlolable	[14:56]
punkman	who's lambchop	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2014#732705	[14:57]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	iitl	[14:57]
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pankkake	mircea_popescu: XBOND	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	was that namworld's ?	[14:58]
pankkake	no, ThickAsThieves. Namworld issued on BTC-TC	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	ah yes	[14:59]
pankkake	the two loans I know of, on BitFunder, defaulted	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	wait, namworld's loans you mean ?	[15:00]
pankkake	no	[15:00]
chetty	just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber:http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/us/politics/boehner-to-seek-bill-to-sue-obama-over-executive-actions.html?_r=0	[15:02]
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mircea_popescu	lol the butthurt of the world financial system @ argentina is palpable. order a payment to argentine anything ? "risk flagged transaction". why ? o, well... because we dun want argentina to has moneyz. won't you reconsider ?	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	chetty boehnerheaded will be a thing. longer than boneheaded, but it's worth it.	[15:04]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/26/cash-and-credit-in-a-cryptocurrency-economy-part-2/	[15:07]
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pankkake	so, argentina defaults?	[15:10]
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mircea_popescu	no	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	it just doesn't pay.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	justusranvier http://i.imgur.com/X85yxzk.jpg << i submit this to you. what's it look like, from a purely visual perspective ?	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	to me it looks like a bloody spamsite.	[15:11]
pankkake	what's the difference?	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	pankkake well that's the joke lol	[15:12]
pankkake	right; so my question here was more rhetorical: what next, since they won't be able to borrow anytime soon?	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	they will, and they are. just, not from the western block.	[15:14]
pankkake	of course, I remember the early "greece should default" voices and they were right	[15:14]
pankkake	weird	[15:14]
BingoBoingo	Well, Argentina buys some F.MPIF and backs their currency with that	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	what's mpif, 400 btc or so ?	[15:14]
pankkake	oh, that's why canada closed just-dice in retaliation	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[15:14]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[15:14]
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mircea_popescu	bitrisk! the game of international intrigue	[15:14]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdWfJiVzKXU - I think it turned out alrighty :)	[15:15]
assbot	Introducere BTCXchange.ro - YouTube	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	anyway, what's next. real estate shock and possibly another currency	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	Naphex 4 views, how could it go wrong :D	[15:16]
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Naphex	mircea_popescu: haha, i ment the content. just uploaded it	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	guy has me watching ads nao.	[15:17]
Naphex	might as well :)	[15:17]
Naphex	a pretty boring day	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	Naphex a ok. so what's this for ? tv doesn't take 143 second clips now does it ?	[15:17]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: nah, TV will have something different	[15:17]
Naphex	also need some better voiceover for tv	[15:19]
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mircea_popescu	yeah the woman sounds like she's had a lot of fun in her youth.	[15:20]
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Naphex	as well multi-currency is in testing, its gonna go live sometime next week.	[15:22]
Naphex	straight with EUR and USD support	[15:22]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/482068187819696128	[15:22]
assbot	The scary thing, I more inclined to believe this than the louder mining manufacterers are getting their acts together http://t.co/rjLcP6YjPO	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	pretty cool	[15:22]
pankkake	same bank for both?	[15:23]
Naphex	pankkake: yep	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo your grammer!	[15:23]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: 140 characters...	[15:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27404 @ 0.00082225 = 22.5329 BTC [-] {2}	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	o right	[15:24]
pankkake	indeed apparently, the less a manufacturer advertises the more it delivers	[15:24]
BingoBoingo	am was a casulty of twatter's tyranny	[15:25]
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ThickAsThieves	<+moiety> i withdrew via wire transfer. its £91 short /// I've heard some places are taking taxes out automatically without saying so, is the 91 equivalent to some income tax rate or such?	[15:25]
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ThickAsThieves	<+bloctoc> I haven't seen anyone boasting about how much money their ATM is making. /// I've seen some data from Robocoin users that do quite well - paid off their machines in 1-3mos	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	indeed apparently, the less a manufacturer advertises the more it delivers <<< not just in mining.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Jaundice_in_newborn.jpg << needs caption ?	[15:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0477 = 0.954 BTC [+]	[15:30]
ThickAsThieves	<+punkman> good, Marissa's bet needs some drama /// lol this is how news looks when you piss of an advertiser	[15:31]
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ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> to me it looks like a bloody spamsite. /// or at least made by amateurs	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2009/website-uri-ce-n-au-nici-o-vina/	[15:34]
assbot	Website-uri ce n-au nici o vina. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	pic is kinda self-explainatory	[15:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.0477 = 2.3373 BTC [+]	[15:35]
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ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Jaundice_in_newborn.jpg << needs caption ? /// tits or gtfo	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	nah kid is more like suspicious.	[15:36]
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pankkake	tried to translate a comment. "deci iti faci toti trollarii numai din ciocolata? :)" => "So you do all trollarii only chocolate? :)"	[15:37]
pankkake	alternative is "So you do all trollarii only Business cards? :)"	[15:37]
ThickAsThieves	this Mayer article just brings to light how consistently useless CNET is	[15:37]
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Naphex	pankkake: romanian has a way of carrying meaning into sentences that will prolly never translate :)	[15:38]
ThickAsThieves	sucks that she;s the first CEO that was ever late to a function	[15:38]
BingoBoingo	Has CNET ever been useful for anything other than discovering which flip phone can maintain contact with a tower?	[15:38]
Naphex	pankkake: "So you build all your trolls only of chocolate?" :)	[15:38]
ThickAsThieves	"CNET has contacted Yahoo for comment. "lolz	[15:39]
pankkake	oh. so trollarii really means troll (that's why I tried to translate) :)	[15:39]
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Naphex	yeah, troll's slanged	[15:39]
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ThickAsThieves	twitter has contacted reddit's instagram for comments	[15:39]
pankkake	I wonder if community manager is ever a real job. I've only seen interns do it	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	troll in english taken as is by romanian (because romanian considers all languages merely badly spoken, more retarded cases of using romanian) and then flexion applied	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	trollerii : plural, masculine noun of to troll	[15:40]
ThickAsThieves	the comments are even worse	[15:40]
pankkake	gendered trolls? awesome	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	aye.	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	troalele would be a bunch of she-trolls.	[15:41]
punkman	it's trollari in greek too	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	that's gypsy and verbal.	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	;;google polari	[15:41]
gribble	Polari - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; aGLIFF Film Festival: aGLIFF Festival \| aGLIFF - Polari: ; Polari - British gay slang - Chris-d.net:	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	but yeah, you can have a whole language out of applying romanian grammar to english lexemes	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	dar da, poti haza o whoala limba din aplicarea grammarei romane pe lexeme englezesti.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	it's even shorter, definitely lulzier	[15:44]
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mircea_popescu	I wonder if community manager is ever a real job. I've only seen interns do it << it's generally what you hire slaves under training collars to do as their first thing.	[15:46]
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pankkake	intern, slave, what's the difference? :)	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	slave gets laid.	[15:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00082018 = 25.3436 BTC [-] {3}	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	;;ud training collar	[15:48]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=traing%20collar \| ... Training Day · Training Day'd · Training Day-ed · training film · Training for the Olympics · training heels · Training Issue · Training it ... traing collar isn't defined.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	lol such innocence.	[15:48]
pankkake	that's not really slang	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	yeah, it is.	[15:49]
pankkake	great, France just approved a law where books are more expensive if bought online	[15:50]
BingoBoingo	Technical jargon	[15:51]
pankkake	because how dare you buy your books outside of crappy stores with no choice	[15:52]
ThickAsThieves	fee market	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	i find it very amusing that france, one of the most socialist places in the history of the world,	[15:52]
pankkake	not that it will change in any way how I shop. more money for amazon in the end… lol	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	is actually also one of the most rabidly conservative.	[15:52]
pankkake	that's what I tell my fellow Frenchmen. the right is fairly popular, but also fairly socialist	[15:53]
pankkake	and the French are clearly afraid of everything	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	it's almost as if they regret 1984 isn't a thing. either as depicted in fiction or as enacted by the soviets, they want the dull gray concrete damn it	[15:54]
pankkake	protect us from Anglo-Saxon culture, homosexuals and the free market, etc.	[15:54]
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pankkake	and immigrants, how could I forget	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	"PAMM technology allows a trader to open a "Slave" Account and follow a trading strategy of another professional and experienced bitcoin trader (Master)." "Using PAMM Account rating, charts and feedback from other traders you can easily tackle the tough task of selecting a successful and professional Master to follow." ~BTC-e	[15:55]
pankkake	(despite the majority of immigrants being white people from the EU)	[15:56]
pankkake	ThickAsThieves: OMG really? I love it	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves "how to select a losing strategy out of an array of moves made by people who opveral made money"	[15:56]
pankkake	but they used Slave and Master	[15:56]
pankkake	maybe they code in Django and are upset	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:57]
Azelphur	oh god not the slave and master thing again	[15:57]
*	Azelphur facedesks	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	"at this company we have a strict insulting variablespace policy. all functions are to be named in reference of parts of female anatomy. all variables are to be named in reference of parts of male anatomy."	[15:57]
ThickAsThieves	So the manipulators on BTC-e dont even need to schedule pumps anymore	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	cunt(dick,balls,shithole);	[15:58]
pankkake	it's how most developers I know write test code	[15:59]
Azelphur	the annoying part is that master and slave have been around since the dawn of time, it's a technical term and you can't just go write random bullshit, this is what people don't seem to get	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur i beg your pardon ? they have changed the world!	[16:00]
Azelphur	If you say "set the jumpers on that drive to replica" nobody has a fuckin clue what you are on about	[16:00]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: haha, indeed facedesk	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	you just don't understand progress.	[16:00]
Azelphur	clearly ;)	[16:00]
pankkake	especially since it would be wrong to say replica then!	[16:00]
Azelphur	pankkake: exactly, haha	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	pankkake maybe we should start doing this preemptively.	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	start calling stupid bitches "replicas". like you know, knockoff watches.	[16:01]
Azelphur	hahaha	[16:01]
pankkake	you already called developers fungible :(	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	works incredibly well you know ? schmuck comes in here to mouth off xmj style crap, "replica, please!"	[16:01]
pankkake	lol	[16:01]
chetty	hmm so what do we call stupid bastards ...there are more of them ya know	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	hm	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	need something that doesn't end in a thus tickling my expectation it's a feminine romanian noun.	[16:02]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2955z7/who_the_fuck_sent_108_btc_to_the_correct_horse/ < rofl	[16:03]
assbot	who the fuck sent 10.8 BTC to the "correct horse battery staple" brainwallet? : Bitcoin	[16:03]
BingoBoingo	chetty: You call the stupid dudes basic bitches	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	replicunt	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.moviefancentral.com/images/pictures/review74591/blade.jpg?1337623625	[16:06]
xmj	i love mircea_popescu	[16:09]
xmj	he's really pleasant.	[16:09]
xmj	<3	[16:09]
xmj!@	added to ignore list.	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	Convicted Heavy Metal ‘Christian’ Singer Admits Being Atheist, Duped Fans to Sell Music	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	(As I Lay Dying)	[16:10]
BingoBoingo	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/06/25/bitbeat-why-bitcoins-scoring-goals-in-argentina/	[16:13]
assbot	BitBeat: Why Bitcoin’s Scoring in Argentina - MoneyBeat - WSJ	[16:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.045 = 0.81 BTC [-]	[16:18]
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Duffer1	someone duped a zealot in order to sell something	[16:24]
Duffer1	i'm shocked	[16:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 575 @ 0.0408204 = 23.4717 BTC [-] {16}	[16:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 135 @ 0.0401001 = 5.4135 BTC [-] {5}	[16:27]
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BigBitz	!up up up! :)	[16:28]
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chetty	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-26/hospitals-soon-see-donuts-to-cigarette-charges-for-health.html	[16:31]
assbot	Hospitals Soon See Donuts-to-Cigarette Charges for Health - Bloomberg	[16:31]
chetty	not unexpected, but its still creepy	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ << request for arguments.	[16:41]
assbot	The problem of enforcement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:41]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/26/dogecoin-and-dystopia/	[16:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37100 @ 0.00081968 = 30.4101 BTC [-]	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	o look, pantera and silbert are actually making sane investments.	[16:44]
ThickAsThieves	i wonder if i'm the guy who had the same trilema credits hash or whatever as someone else	[16:46]
ThickAsThieves	my cookie didnt work for a few days, then it did, but now i only have 4 credits left, or maybe thats' just the guest credits	[16:46]
pankkake	it's the guest credits	[16:46]
ThickAsThieves	and i need to reinitiate my cookie	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	sounds like the guest. put your cookie back in.	[16:46]
ThickAsThieves	word	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	the collision was, some guy made an order, trilema came back "pay x". he didn't. months later, other guy made order, trilema said "pay x" same x.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	has nothing to do with cookies or such	[16:47]
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moiety	mew	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	So to distill your post, are you saying that we give up freedom for i-cant-believe-its-not-freedom because it's easy/comfortable/safe and now you want some real-butter IRC because you tasted real-butter bitcoin? Or are you just pointing out that people typically think they are more free than they really are (or, at least, willing to acknowlege).	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	im pointing out that now it just became cheaper to have actual freedom	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	and so irrespective of anyone's wish, that's what we'll do.	[17:00]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/	[17:00]
moiety	ThickAsThieves: I've heard some places are taking taxes out automatically without saying so, is the 91 equivalent to some income tax rate or such? << totally can't pinpoint exactly. in one breath they say it's their fee, in the next it's the banks but i've never had fees from my bank for incoming before. lesson learned.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves to round out this point, do you know how justice worked in classical greece ?	[17:01]
ThickAsThieves	maybe i used to, now i just know what i see in movies	[17:02]
ThickAsThieves	if freedom is cheaper, isn't it also less valuable?	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	well basically, anyone having a problem with someone could sue before the city. the arguments reduced to "the other party sucks". if the suit was successful the other party was banished (killed, originally, but then they softened).	[17:03]
ThickAsThieves	like maybe it's just incantbelieveitsnotfreedom, just in a bigger box	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	if not, the accuser was.	[17:03]
ThickAsThieves	so each had equal risk	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	now contrast this with the very invasive modern style, as epitomised by the us system : you're allowed out of prison as long as you promise to not x y z	[17:04]
chetty	the counter party risk is something we really need	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	there's this constant negotiation and apportioning of things.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	the greeks didn't have it. it was an all or nothing affair.	[17:04]
ThickAsThieves	except it surely wasnt for everyone	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	either you sue this guy under the title that he's basiclaly human waste,	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	or else stfu	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	whereas in english law you had a billion different causes for action. you can sue saying "this is a nice guy that has my cow"	[17:05]
ThickAsThieves	surely some bribed and pulled strings and framed people	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	surely.	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	famously plato tried to bribe the jury with 30 minae in socrates' case	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	this, in open court.,	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	(amusingly, 30 minae is also what neaira's ass cost.	[17:06]
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mircea_popescu	anyway. it's my understanding that it's that apportioning that's the cause of evil.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	just like an artisan is exactly NOT the guy who has a three ring binder telling him how to move and what shovel to use when, as per company policy	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	a free man is exactly NOT the guy who has to make a deal as to anything with anyone. none of this "to fly on the plane you must turn off your portable perfume dispenser" bs.	[17:08]
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ThickAsThieves	while i dont disagree, it does kinda feeling we're just bitching that liars and scammers exist	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	how so ?	[17:12]
ThickAsThieves	well you are arguing for transparency, truth, efficiency, "realness"	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[17:12]
ThickAsThieves	opposed to compromise, deception, obfuscation	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	i dun think so.	[17:13]
chetty	The court said Thursday that President Barack Obama exceeded his authority when he invoked the Constitution's provision on recess appointments to fill slots on the National Labor Relations Board in 2012.	[17:13]
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chetty	ThickAsThieves, truth is cheaper	[17:13]
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ThickAsThieves	not emotionally, in installments	[17:14]
chetty	ThickAsThieves, well it grows on you :)	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	where's that hobbes quote about how everyone's life is basically the result of surrender to the state, which may at its option dispose of it ? thus everyone's a slave ?	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	fundamentally, it used to be cheaper to surrender, now it's cheaper to not. fundamental change of paradigm	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	some seek comfort, some seek truth	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	i kinda think it's all just smelling of roses	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	observing the ebb and flow of necessity and invention	[17:15]
ThickAsThieves	order and chaos	[17:15]
Vexual	i ordered braised rabbit	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	like your barbarian story	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	and how i ended it differently	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	same shit	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	doesn't seem too related.	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	zoomed out, it does to me	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	maybe it took the bullshit of our current state for someone to inspire to create Bitcoin, in turn, maybe you are the next Hitler	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	and you'll inspire someone to dismantle you	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[17:20]
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mircea_popescu	the problem with being hitler is that you can actually reach this point where you've read too much to be one.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	in general it happens in highschool.	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	i mean it in a more black swan kinda way i guess	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	you wont be hitler	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	youll be Popescu	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	even so	[17:22]
chetty	the cycles will go around, probably wont be MP but hitler will come again, someday	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	right	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	maybe your vision for the world has horrible implications	[17:23]
ThickAsThieves	and someone needs to come along and fix it after youve gotten your way	[17:23]
pankkake	I see plenty of potential Hitlers	[17:24]
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ThickAsThieves	has the topic of this NK comedy movie been brought up here?	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/north-korea-threatens-to-wage-war-on-usa-over-seth-rogen-and-james-francos-kim-jongun-assassination-film-9562426.html	[17:25]
assbot	North Korea threatens war on USA over 'gangster filmmaker' Seth Rogen and James Francos Kim Jong-un assassination movie - People - News - The Independent	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	Government warns of 'merciless' retaliation if US doesn't ban the actors' comedy	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	hm, i dun has a vision. what am i, some sort of reformer ?	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	i'm an intellectual, and therefore a critic.	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	dont sell yourself short	[17:25]
ThickAsThieves	youre building something and you know it	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	yeah, tools to break things with.	[17:27]
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chetty	long live the breakage	[17:29]
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ThickAsThieves	wasnt S.WOL sposed to fire yesterday?	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	Vexual: is your scooter okay? <<< ahahaha such zing.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah i guess so huh!	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	mike_c hows teh bitcoin side ?	[17:31]
thestringpuller	;;seen nubbins`	[17:31]
gribble	nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 19 hours, 9 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: http://i.imgur.com/FxQz6tB.gif	[17:31]
thestringpuller	;;later tell nubbins` You got a hook up on printing cardboard cutouts?	[17:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: wait you can buy F.DERP too? << yeah, next month	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	moiety sounds like you got charged a wire fee	[17:33]
mike_c	bitcoin side almost done. expect to ship it tmw.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	what's that, two weeks ?	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	there you go tat.	[17:34]
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ThickAsThieves	hmm	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	i meant the ipo	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	says 6/25	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	well it listed on the 25th	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	"War of Life will offer one block of 500`000 (five hundred thousand) shares for a nominal value of 0.00003 BTC each, for a total equity value of 15 BTC starting on June 25th, 2014."	[17:36]
ThickAsThieves	i see no block	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	well it's not done it before the 25th, so there we go :D	[17:37]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:37]
ThickAsThieves	i'm still confused, but whatever	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	i must be a native asshole the way i phrase these things, i had fully intended it be done yest, but look that it actually supports eventual reality.	[17:38]
moiety	D; was my passport money! another day, another lesson though right :]	[17:38]
ThickAsThieves	scamz	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the story is, was gonna do it yest but wanted to have bitcoin active so waiting a little for mike.	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	i see no real downside in holding it back a day or w/e	[17:38]
ThickAsThieves	other than not doing what you said	[17:38]
ThickAsThieves	in writing	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	other than not doing what i had intended / you thought i said! what i actually said however, is starting on.	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	...	[17:39]
pankkake	http://www.coindesk.com/anonibet-talks-bitcoin-foundation-membership-world-cup-contest/ " company decided to formally support the Bitcoin Foundation"	[17:39]
assbot	Anonibet Talks Bitcoin Foundation Membership, World Cup Contest	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's like, "tvs from 59.99". doesn't mean any tv in the shop is 60 bux	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	cmon now	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	noh!	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	dis nigga all coy	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	pankkake look at that lol.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	if im supposed to be butthurt i'm not vessy boy.	[17:40]
BingoBoingo	;;lasers	[17:41]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[17:41]
ThickAsThieves	the difference with not firing the ipo when you said you would is i gotta spend more time watching the orderbook to get in, which i suppose could be your plan, letting bids swell	[17:42]
chetty	omg, MP got a date wrong, hang him	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	you can just put a bid in for your price neh ?	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	and then a day later my price is below needed?	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	holy shit that thing's full.	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:43]
ThickAsThieves	hey mp, you have a stock exchange	[17:43]
ThickAsThieves	just reminding you!	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	i had no idea lol.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	ok, sorry everyone! the order shall fire at, lemme see here	[17:43]
thestringpuller	;;lasers	[17:44]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	1403821800 aka GMT: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 22:30:00 GMT	[17:49]
moiety	picture of the day: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me1y3zAjfV1qm0kmzo1_500.jpg	[17:51]
chetty	non-bitcoin scams: Bloomberg reports that China’s chief auditor discovered 94.4 billion yuan ($15.2 billion) of loans backed by falsified gold transactions	[17:51]
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ThickAsThieves	thx mp	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	obviously there's no reason to distrust new york.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	or how did that go	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves ma pleasure rly.	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	so now maybe a good time to buy gold	[17:54]
pankkake	;;bc,xau	[17:56]
gribble	1 XAU = 1315.500000000000 USD = 2.31598035246 BTC	[17:56]
Duffer1	isn't there a bitbet it'll close at under 1k by the end of the year?	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	i'll take that bet that it wont	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	i was trying to chart BRK.B today because of the new bitbet, it's well-priced	[17:57]
Duffer1	you probably wouldn't win very much :P	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	artifexd can []bot take a search and return the result from bitbet ?	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	BRK.B shareprice just hit the top of a longterm channel, but it's a steep one so it could get to $135 still	[17:58]
Duffer1	what do you think of tesla closing at 250+ ?	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	pretty likely	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	people are musk-wild right now	[18:01]
Duffer1	it's not unfounded	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	a new batch of people discovered he has a solar co too, so that exploded upward too	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	longterm, sure	[18:02]
pankkake	is he the new steve jobs?	[18:02]
Duffer1	steve was a twat	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	nah	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	he doesnt care about consumers like jobs	[18:02]
pankkake	lol	[18:02]
pankkake	care, as in fuck?	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	pretty much yeah	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	i didnt mean care "for" that's for sure	[18:03]
Duffer1	i like the nature of elons projects	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	but similar in that he's doing what makes sense to him and fuck otherwise	[18:04]
Duffer1	space and renewables	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	but i think TSLA can be had at cheaper prices as all	[18:04]
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ThickAsThieves	is all*	[18:05]
Duffer1	i agree	[18:05]
Duffer1	by the time i'm even aware of an offer the speculators have driven price beyond all reason	[18:05]
ThickAsThieves	just like altcoins	[18:06]
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ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	and	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	thats how they git ya!	[18:06]
Duffer1	maxcoin lol...	[18:07]
ThickAsThieves	MaxCoin $ 810,048 $ 0.035170 23,032,368 MAX	[18:08]
pankkake	I got banned from /r/litecoin, and before that had posts stealth-deleted. they're bagholding so hard!	[18:08]
Duffer1	800k market cap my bleeding arsehole	[18:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00082107 = 12.8908 BTC [+]	[18:09]
pankkake	it's the power of asshole pumping	[18:09]
Duffer1	there's only 18.4 btc buys on mcxnow	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	my guess is you can squeeze out about 10% of an altcoins market cap if you sell no faster than 10% of the time it's existed	[18:10]
[]bot	Bet placed: 3 BTC for No on "Gold <= 1000 USD in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/785/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.77957601 BTC. Current weight: 60,446.	[18:11]
Duffer1	hehe	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[18:11]
Duffer1	i'm not a gambler, but that one doesn't seem like a risk at all	[18:12]
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pankkake	now I want to bet yes :p	[18:13]
pankkake	didn't gold go from 2000 to 1something some year ago?	[18:14]
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pankkake	I unfortunately bought gold just before	[18:14]
Apocalyptic	It did	[18:14]
Duffer1	ouch	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	it hit a little under 1200 in the past year	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	i think that was bottom	[18:15]
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pankkake	http://www.coindesk.com/government-sale-bitcoin-establishes-fungibility-precedent/ Regardless of the morality of pre-trial asset forfeiture, the sale via auction of approximately $17 million worth of bitcoin by the USMS will establish the first governmental precedent for bitcoin fungibility, which could become significant for future bitcoin-related cases involving ‘blacklisting’, or ‘tainted bitcoin’.	[18:35]
assbot	Government Sale of Bitcoin Establishes Fungibility Precedent	[18:35]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/26/bitcoin-bitstamp/	[18:37]
assbot	The Bitcoin Economy's 'Backbone' Is Bitstamp, An Exchange Run By Two Young Slovenians - Forbes	[18:37]
pankkake	wait their lanyards say "fucking amazing"	[18:38]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:38]
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kakobrekla	>“We’re the backbone of the entire Bitcoin industry,” says Kodrič, 25, who’s wearing a black t-shirt with “Zero Excuses” in fluorescent green capital letters.	[18:42]
kakobrekla	lmao	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	kako why arent you in the picture?	[18:43]
kakobrekla	who is kako?	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	some dude	[18:43]
kakobrekla	some schmuck	[18:43]
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Duffer1	good lord	[18:47]
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moiety	he won't even allow his reflection to be snapped :P	[18:55]
penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/06/26/summary-26-may-25-june/	[18:56]
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kakobrekla	i see you are kept busy moiety - gg	[18:57]
moiety	thanks. i hope it's enough. i was trying to be as connected as possible over the move.	[18:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79952895 BTC to 9`635 shares, 18677 satoshi per share	[19:00]
kakobrekla	thats prolly more phonecalls than i had in a year	[19:01]
moiety	lol me too normally XD	[19:02]
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thestringpuller	http://dogeon.org/	[19:16]
assbot	DSON - Doge Serialized Object Notation	[19:16]
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thestringpuller	it may give you a seizure in sex weeks	[19:17]
moiety	bahahaha omg just took a drink, coffee everywhere	[19:17]
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benkay	it just doesn't pay. // how is this not a default? am i missing the sarcasm?	[19:29]
benkay	pf nvm okay	[19:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.19494037 = 1.9494 BTC [+] {5}	[19:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.04397947 = 1.0995 BTC [+] {2}	[19:35]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/06/26/dogecoin-and-dystopia/	[19:53]
assbot	DogeCoin and Dystopia \| Bingo Blog	[19:53]
pankkake	thestringpuller: with the url, I was thinking "this may be a json like doge but that's such a silly thing why do I even think about that"	[19:56]
pankkake	I love it. it has a bunch of libs too	[19:56]
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punkman	26-06-2014 Pending More YES than NO on this bet	[20:06]
punkman	lol	[20:06]
kakobrekla	has been tried on numerous occasions, never was or will be accepted	[20:07]
moiety	BingoBoingo: perfect	[20:08]
BingoBoingo	moiety: You didn't watch the horror video did you?	[20:08]
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moiety	i've banned myself from streaming but its only 35 so will do now	[20:09]
moiety	jesus christ is the dogers in lego form	[20:10]
BingoBoingo	I recommend against watching it if you enjoy your eyes and ears	[20:10]
moiety	<< already scarred	[20:10]
moiety	why the fuck have people been telling me this movie is good?	[20:11]
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BingoBoingo	moiety: Because you run a dogecoin cam site on the side?	[20:12]
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BingoBoingo	Or did you take that cam thing out	[20:12]
BingoBoingo	%diff	[20:15]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 395074.76 in 1754 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -22.76	[20:15]
moiety	nah it's still there. I had to make them a dedicated room for cam spam.	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	i watched half of the lego movie in a flight	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	it's kids stuff	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	the everything is awesome song is pretty awesome tho	[20:17]
moiety	half? did you try to exit the plane half way?	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	of course	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	no, i ran out of other things i felt like doing	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	so picked up the movie halfway in	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	it was one of those shitty systems where you cant initiate a movie from anytime you want	[20:18]
moiety	do you really wish you had seen it form the start? 35 seconds was enough for me to want to peel my own skin off	[20:18]
ThickAsThieves	no i have no desire to go back and see what i missed	[20:18]
BingoBoingo	It really is the worst socialist propoganda I've been exposed to.	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	the only thing worth taking from the movie is that song	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	cuz it's so ridiculous that i like it	[20:19]
moiety	i can now thank BB for two of the most awful things i have ever seen and cannot unsee	[20:19]
BingoBoingo	$36 coffee?	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	the song is sorta like AMAZING COMPANY	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!	[20:20]
[]bot	Bet created: "Bank of England to raise Bank Rate before February" http://bitbet.us/bet/968/	[20:27]
moiety	jesus they can't be helped: "i need an online wallet" "don't use an online wallet, use dropbox!" facedesk	[20:28]
pankkake	from 11 to 0.5, lol	[20:28]
moiety	BingoBoingo: first sharpie bum boy, now lego scarring, don't make it a hattrick please. i value my sanity.	[20:29]
pankkake	moiety: encrypted wallet.dat on dropbox is certainly more secure - actually I can't find any drawback in terms of security or privacy	[20:30]
BingoBoingo	lol	[20:30]
pankkake	not that I would recommend it	[20:30]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Well other than the frequent dropbox security breaches let everyone know you have a wallet.dat	[20:30]
moiety	just no to dropbox out of principle	[20:30]
BingoBoingo	OMG the better alternative to CoinBase died http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-laundry-quarters-startup-is-dead-1596481798/+laceydonohue	[20:31]
assbot	The Laundry Quarters Delivery Startup Is Dead (And in Hell?)	[20:31]
pankkake	oh, I hate dropbox, I consider that everything you put there is public	[20:31]
moiety	dropbox: so insecure we wrote a paper to prove it	[20:31]
pankkake	BingoBoingo: at least they decided to end it early	[20:32]
BingoBoingo	The comments are the best "I admire their "give up" attitude." "Not enoug people give up"	[20:32]
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BingoBoingo	!up MobGod	[20:33]
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pankkake	BingoBoingo: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2014/02/fail-faster.html (I thought I linked this here before, but perhaps only in a blog comment)	[20:34]
assbot	Overcoming Bias : Fail Faster	[20:34]
punkman	;;buy 10000 ATC @ 0.02 BTC	[20:35]
gribble	Order id 20898 created.	[20:35]
pankkake	that 2 BTC sports bet rule is harsh	[20:37]
BingoBoingo	%book	[20:38]
atcbot	65k@280 30k@279 50k@278 \| 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160	[20:38]
BingoBoingo	But Bitbet had to stop the bleeding	[20:38]
pankkake	understandable, just saying there might be less expensive solutions	[20:40]
pankkake	I don't bet on sports, I would bet on starcraft but I ended up being the only one (and losing)	[20:40]
BingoBoingo	I don't think any of the line books that tried e-stuff were able to keep it up	[20:42]
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ThickAsThieves	<+pankkake> I don't bet on sports, I would bet on starcraft but I ended up being the only one (and losing) /// it's kinda surprising how little Bitcoin has penatrated the gamer community	[20:44]
ThickAsThieves	penetrated*	[20:44]
pankkake	perhaps because gamers seldom penetrate (ha ha!)	[20:45]
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ThickAsThieves	i'd totally bet on single Dota 2 games	[20:45]
ThickAsThieves	that i could play in with friends	[20:45]
thestringpuller	nerds	[20:45]
pankkake	but anyway, gamers were mining quite early, but perhaps they sold early too	[20:45]
jborkl	Hi, got your message thestringpuller	[20:45]
ThickAsThieves	gamers/programmers, not gamers/woot customers	[20:46]
pankkake	but yeah I don't get it	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	twitch.com taking bitcoin might help	[20:46]
jborkl	I think in Korea Starcraft betting was popular	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	or Steam using bitcoin	[20:47]
pankkake	I don't use steam but I often see gift codes for sale in btc	[20:47]
jborkl	thestringpuller : Thank you also	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/26/5845930/google-turns-on-its-crazy-modular-phone-in-public-for-the-first-time	[20:49]
assbot	Google turns on its crazy modular phone in public for the first time \| The Verge	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	it's like a PC, but inside out!	[20:49]
ThickAsThieves	as the GoPro IPO was today	[20:51]
pankkake	I'm not sure the concept will ever be practical but I'd really like it. that's why I like full grown PCs	[20:52]
pankkake	I don't have to find the best compromise, I just have the best	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	The stock was priced near the top of its range at $24 a share and quickly rose to $30 in early trading, meaning the company is worth a little more than $3 billion.	[20:53]
pankkake	only 3 instagrams	[20:54]
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moiety	i wish steam would accept btc	[21:05]
moiety	i do like steam, must admit	[21:05]
kakobrekla	hahahah	[21:07]
kakobrekla	>I'm not unable. I'm unwilling. There is a difference. I won't bother you with details of licenses and fiduciary duties, blah, blah, blah... Instead I will just say that any recommendation I gave could be viewed as a conflict of interest due to my affiliation with something that could be irrationally misconstrued as a security. Therefore, I am not willing to give you a recommendation on a specific investment, only to educate you so th	[21:07]
kakobrekla	may be better prepared to choose one for yourself.	[21:07]
kakobrekla	gold.	[21:07]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/part-1-bitcoin-mining-network-difficulty/	[21:07]
kakobrekla	>due to my affiliation with something that could be irrationally misconstrued as a security < got that shit right.	[21:07]
mike_c	you arguing on tardtalk again?	[21:08]
kakobrekla	no was banned 3 times, jus readin	[21:08]
kakobrekla	best place for humor	[21:09]
mike_c	that did sound funny. link?	[21:09]
kakobrekla	hm lemme try find	[21:09]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665403.msg7518740#msg7518740	[21:10]
assbot	Why Do You Invest?	[21:10]
kakobrekla	thar	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	Wonder when this sort of scam is finding bitcoin? http://carbondaletimes.com/051614habitat	[21:10]
assbot	Jury indicts Campus Habitat owner \| Carbondale Times	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	Dude buys thing, then buys thing again from himself	[21:11]
mike_c	hah. that is humor. "At first I started investing in these things because I thought I was actually helping the bitcoin ecosystem. It turns out I've been helping the twat-waffles of the bitcoin ecosystem."	[21:11]
kakobrekla	:)	[21:11]
mike_c	i don't know what a twat-waffle is, but he sounds right to me.	[21:12]
kakobrekla	lol	[21:12]
mike_c	!t h smg	[21:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00004912 / 4.92E-5 / 0.00005000 (1100 shares, 0.05412084 BTC), 7D: 0.00004912 / 4.931E-5 / 0.00005016 (1340 shares, 0.06607088 BTC), 30D: 0.00004000 / 5.6E-5 / 0.00007570 (15620 shares, 0.87466372 BTC)	[21:15]
mike_c	;;calc 0.00004912 / 0.000091	[21:15]
gribble	0.53978021978	[21:15]
pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinStocks/comments/29313f/why_do_you_invest/ for more lulz. I mean, there's a clear objective demonstration that investing on havelock is a pretty sure loss, and they… ignore it	[21:15]
assbot	Why Do You Invest? : BitcoinStocks	[21:15]
mike_c	havelock share of s.mg is worth 54% of a mpex share of s.mg.	[21:16]
thestringpuller	LOL	[21:16]
thestringpuller	!bash 5	[21:16]
assbot	Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0P6WE32.txt )	[21:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.04397982 = 0.8796 BTC [+]	[21:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00082511 = 6.0233 BTC [+]	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/ << i got my cards.	[21:20]
assbot	If you’re one of the numerous Buenos Aires printing shops I’ll be harassing over the day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[21:20]
mike_c	pic?	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	ya sec adding a detailed one	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	there we go	[21:22]
punkman	no pink?	[21:23]
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Mats_cd03	;;ident mircea_popescu	[21:23]
gribble	Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	sadly.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	i don;t think they have cunts in this cuntry.	[21:23]
Mats_cd03	a makes sense now	[21:23]
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mircea_popescu	http://itraveleasy.com/bitcoins-most-controversial-startup/ < who;s this ?	[21:24]
assbot	Bitcoin’s Most Controversial Startup \| I Travel Easy	[21:24]
mike_c	you know what makes an article easier to read? italicizing the entire thing.	[21:26]
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mircea_popescu	that and comic m	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	s	[21:28]
chetty	that is like the like worst article evea	[21:29]
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ThickAsThieves	pff ya lambchop just pretending xbond didnt exist	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: i think that was bottom < something like that	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what was total volume on it ?	[21:31]
ThickAsThieves	xbond?	[21:31]
pankkake	ThickAsThieves: PMed him. we'll see	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	2000btc sold i think	[21:32]
pankkake	that article looks like a spambot creation	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	i'd have to look it up, my memory is shit	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla: >“We’re the backbone of the entire Bitcoin industry,” says Kodrič, 25, who’s wearing a black t-shirt with “Zero Excuses” in fluorescent green capital letters. <<< ahahaha epic	[21:32]
punkman	shouldn't that say "CANS + STRING"	[21:33]
punkman	maybe another tshirt for nubbins to print	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	moiety http://bitcoinassetsreception.wordpress.com/2014/06/26/summary-26-may-25-june/ << pretty cool.	[21:33]
assbot	Summary 26 May-25 June \| #Bitcoin-Assets Reception	[21:33]
BingoBoingo	#BITCOIN-ASSETS: All Cans, No String	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	a set of shirts, where one shirt has a can and half a string, and the other shirt has the other can	[21:34]
moiety	:D sorry it was such a long time span	[21:34]
pankkake	http://cdn.funnie.st/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Thongs-6.jpg <= a can and a string, #bitcoin-assets style	[21:35]
mike_c	heh. or one can on front, one on back, string wraps around your side.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	benkay just ftr i based your sarcasm :D	[21:35]
moiety	i wouldve like nubbins` to print a top with #bitcoin lower back and then wee shorts with -assets on the arse	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	mike_c ah, my sides.	[21:35]
ThickAsThieves	<+BingoBoingo> #BITCOIN-ASSETS: All Cans, No String /// sounds like a slogan for strip joint	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	that'd be all jugs no strings	[21:36]
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ThickAsThieves	hilarious, now media says SELL! "Barclays has given Netflix an Underweight rating, with a price target of $390, which is around 11% lower than its current stock price."	[21:37]
ThickAsThieves	We'd like to make at least 11% on this trade, thank you kind public.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: moiety: encrypted wallet.dat on dropbox is certainly more secure - actually I can't find any drawback in terms of security or privacy << stock "encrypted" wallet leaks a lot of metadata.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	gpg the file, then ok.	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves fwiw i don't see the case for netflix. what are they going to do ?	[21:38]
moiety	gpg is the only encryption for me :D	[21:38]
pankkake	compared to online wallet, all the same - you're leaking to the online wallet	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	they arew going to go down to 390	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	hopefully, cuz i shorted at 444.44	[21:39]
mike_c	netflix is doing good original content. it's a new HBO.	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	netflix will do fine	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	"Young male founders must all be drinking the same Soylent. Either that or they have a hard time…" USING THE NOGGIN ?	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	they justw wont grow as quickly as market wants	[21:39]
ThickAsThieves	so stock will go in waves	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	mike_c you know what tried that ? the original company hiring the pierce muppet as a male twink escort.	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	it left one of the largest craters in dotcom history.	[21:40]
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ThickAsThieves	it wont be long before TV is computer and channels are websites, etc, just as netflix gains ground, theyll gain competition from all over	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	!up cuwirebeard	[21:41]
-assbot-	You voiced cuwirebeard for 30 minutes.	[21:41]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves but not money.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	you know how people used to make a living writing books ? and you know how it wasn't long before all books were blogs and whatnot ?	[21:41]
ThickAsThieves	i think they can surive and even grow in the long term, i just wouldnt invest in them long term	[21:41]
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chetty	*GERMANY ENDING VERIZON CONTRACT, CITING NSA: AP	[21:42]
ThickAsThieves	verizon emailed me saying they are sad i'm gone today, and that theyve change	[21:43]
Duffer1	imo they'll need to do a lot better than what they currently offer	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	d	[21:43]
Duffer1	what do you have now?	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	i dont have a cell	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i did say the case tho. i mean, grow, sure, fine. doing what ?	[21:43]
ThickAsThieves	i had their mifi	[21:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10549 @ 0.00082432 = 8.6958 BTC [-] {2}	[21:44]
Duffer1	ah thought you meant broadband	[21:44]
cuwirebeard	And just as govts burn(ed) books theyll burn...internets!	[21:44]
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ThickAsThieves	curation of original content, convenience -- the new equivalent of a good TV channel	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	what govt burned book s?	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves this i wish to see	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	Subject: Your FED TAX payment (ID:03SIRS815097882) was Rejected	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	From: "TAX@irs.gov"	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	sucks to be me i guess	[21:45]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:45]
-tomaw-	[Global Notice] Hi all. I'm going to reroute a hub and then restart a client server for a few updates. It'll be noisy but should be brief!	[21:45]
ThickAsThieves	happens to the best of us	[21:45]
mike_c	i got a paper version of that scam recently	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	restart a client server ?	[21:45]
mircea_popescu	why not a plantanimal	[21:45]
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chetty	Today’s decision marks the 12th time the Supreme Court unanimously ruled against the Obama administration on the issue of executive power.	[21:47]
BingoBoingo	OMG noise!	[21:47]
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mircea_popescu	chetty which one was this ?	[21:48]
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mircea_popescu	!up atcbot	[21:48]
aegis	agamemnon23 akstunt600 AlexWkz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform atcbot atian	[21:48]
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chetty	today scotus ruled the recess appointments he made were unconstitutional	[21:50]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[21:50]
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mircea_popescu	a a yes	[21:51]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake: so they still vouch for services - they have learned nothing << how would they learn ?	[21:52]
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gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 566.3, vol: 5331.23512684 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.297, vol: 3770.40863 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 573.05, vol: 6526.95326517 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 583.53, vol: 62.06868508 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 577.718145, vol: 2677.55970000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 574.42282, vol: 7.83281339 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 569.53665, vol: 40.24475231 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[21:53]
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BingoBoingo	;;more	[21:54]
gribble	570.829819679	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: understandable, just saying there might be less expensive solutions << perhjaps, but you gotta understand, there's no game in the world that's cheaper than 1k.	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	just busing the competitors in and that's the budget.	[21:55]
ThickAsThieves	how much do you guys think the SR coins will auction for?	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: that i could play in with friends << private bet is your friend.	[21:55]
BingoBoingo	I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Silbert bid above market	[21:55]
ThickAsThieves	problem is no one i know in dota uses bitcoin, and oddly a couple weeks ago they just all stopped signing on	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	depends who buys it. if any non alligned buyer actually makes a serious offer, upwards of 25mn. if nobody gets involved and the original plan can proceed, 15mn or so.	[21:56]
ThickAsThieves	but if it were ubiquitous in the game, itd get used	[21:56]
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mod6	%ob	[21:57]
atcbot	65k@280 30k@279 50k@278 \| 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160	[21:57]
benkay	benkay just ftr i based your sarcasm :D // pardon?	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	bashed*	[21:58]
benkay	ah wd ty	[21:58]
benkay	my goal is to have at least 5 in the top-of-all-time	[21:58]
benkay	bash kinda has silly dynamics what with winner-taking-all	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:58]
mike_c	hmph. weight fail. http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/	[21:59]
assbot	BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No \| closing in 5 hours 39 seconds \| weight: 2`345 (100`000 to 1)	[21:59]
mike_c	no reason to go to 1 on that. should have been 80k, 90k.	[21:59]
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ThickAsThieves	i wanted the price to be murky	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	At the risk of stemming the stimulating debate revolving around OGNasty's smartiferous proposition "losing money on various bitcoin investings is teh road to riches,"	[22:00]
ThickAsThieves	bet early!	[22:00]
pankkake	he added XBOND https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=666993.0	[22:00]
assbot	Havelock Securities At A Glance: The SRS BZNZ Edition	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	smartiferous should totally be a thing. the ooze of ferrous craneus	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	http://www.flamewarriorsguide.com/warriorshtm/ferouscranus.htm	[22:01]
assbot	Ferrous Cranus	[22:01]
ThickAsThieves	it is happening tomorrow after all, and who knows what info will leak	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	!up Lycerion	[22:02]
-assbot-	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	eh get out ?!	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	!up	[22:02]
-assbot-	Need a nickname, mircea_popescu.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	!up mircea_popescu	[22:02]
-assbot-	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first.	[22:02]
benkay	mircea_popescu: http://blogs.wsj.com/venturecapital/2014/06/17/bitpagos-raises-600000-seed-round-to-boost-bitcoin-use-in-south-america/?KEYWORDS=bitpagos another for the DERP	[22:02]
assbot	BitPagos Raises $600,000 Seed Round to Boost Bitcoin Use in South America - Venture Capital Dispatch - WSJ	[22:02]
ThickAsThieves	no derpy enough	[22:02]
ThickAsThieves	not	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	benkay iitl you know ?	[22:02]
Apocalyptic	mircea_popescu, you must !up via pm prolly	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	NO! I SHALL SAY UP IN HERE AGAIN unless assbot appeases me	[22:02]
benkay	ah	[22:03]
benkay	!down mircea_popescu	[22:03]
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benkay	bwahahahahahahah	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	fu	[22:03]
*	#bitcoin-assets :Cannot send to channel	[22:03]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[22:03]
benkay	!b 4	[22:03]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/31RAWPB.txt )	[22:03]
ThickAsThieves	i photobombed ur bash	[22:03]
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mircea_popescu	lake titicaca... ole titicaca...	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I0Hee533Iw	[22:04]
assbot	Animaniacs - Lake Titicaca - YouTube	[22:04]
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kakobrekla	!up Lycerion	[22:04]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c havelock share of s.mg is worth 54% of a mpex share of s.mg. << nuts huh	[22:08]
mike_c	probably overvalues havelock share.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	just cp discount !?	[22:09]
BingoBoingo	Who even does that PT?	[22:09]
mike_c	it's not even a share of s.mg. it's a share of a unit of havelol's smg fund. but the discount is counterparty, plus the difference of havelock investor opinion vs. mpex investor opinion (or IQ).	[22:10]
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mircea_popescu	drastic.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	so basically poor investor can lose 50% ayear even with an achor ?	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	is this one of those "made roi hand over fist" ognasty situations ?	[22:12]
mike_c	well, they made money on a fiat basis :D	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	http://www.infobae.com/2014/06/26/1576179-argentina-pago-el-vencimiento-los-bonos-reestructurados	[22:13]
assbot	Argentina pag el vencimiento de los bonos reestructurados \| Axel Kicillof, Litigio con los holdouts - Infobae	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	argentina paid its conversion debt and is going to stiff the vulture funds.	[22:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00082355 = 21.6594 BTC [-]	[22:15]
BingoBoingo	Peronism, The Falkland Islands, Financial Shennanigans, Argentina is basically the Eric Cartman of International Intrigue	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	not so far off.	[22:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [D.BPAY] 65 @ 0.23999999 = 15.6 BTC	[22:29]
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ThickAsThieves	"I was an idiot and assumed that the "random" button on brainwallet.org was truly random, but it clearly is not. My coins were taken by someone who is clearly smarter than myself and this is completely my fault by creating Bitcoin addresses on a website that I assumed was safe. There's a $20k life lesson that I'll never forget, that's for sure. Also, to elaborate, I did not use the	[22:48]
ThickAsThieves	passphrase functionality on brainwallet.org, I used the random button to create the addresses."	[22:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30750 @ 0.00082541 = 25.3814 BTC [+] {3}	[22:50]
BingoBoingo	%d	[22:56]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 401594.40 in 1735 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -21.49	[22:56]
BingoBoingo	%fu	[22:56]
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ThickAsThieves	i guess the crash is imminent, there-is-no-bubble propaganda: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/02/14/why-the-scary-1929-chart-is-a-bunch-of-nonsense/	[23:01]
assbot	Why the 1929 Chart Is a Bunch of Nonsense - MoneyBeat - WSJ	[23:01]
ThickAsThieves	i love how their main argument is that the % is much less severe than portrayed, like everything would be daisies if the market dropped 40% or whatever	[23:04]
ThickAsThieves	then, proof! http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/06/26/time-to-officially-stick-a-fork-in-that-1929-chart/	[23:05]
assbot	Time to Officially Stick a Fork in That 1929 Chart - MoneyBeat - WSJ	[23:05]
ThickAsThieves	(note they used same scale they said was no good before)	[23:06]
ThickAsThieves	theyve also time-shifted the red line forward to look further laong	[23:07]
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ThickAsThieves	(and upward)	[23:07]
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nubbins`	re: can/strings	[23:11]
nubbins`	i like	[23:11]
nubbins`	esp. the wrapping around the side	[23:11]
FabianB	;;bc,stats	[23:12]
gribble	Current Blocks: 307972 \| Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 \| Next Difficulty In: 475 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 21 hours, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 16587491540.4 \| Estimated Percent Change: 23.21183	[23:12]
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nubbins`	;;later tell thestringpuller you mean like life-size cardboard cutouts? the kind you'd find at a Lord of the Rings premiere?	[23:13]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18731 @ 0.0008256 = 15.4643 BTC [+] {2}	[23:13]
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thestringpuller	nubbins`: yea	[23:15]
thestringpuller	doesn't have to be full sized	[23:16]
thestringpuller	maybe half	[23:16]
nubbins`	tough to ship, i always thought they got those things made locally	[23:16]
thestringpuller	interesting	[23:16]
thestringpuller	can't you ship in normal boxes?	[23:16]
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nubbins`	yeah, i suppose	[23:16]
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nubbins`	you thinking full-color prints?	[23:17]
thestringpuller	possibly	[23:19]
thestringpuller	well that's ideal	[23:19]
thestringpuller	but depends on cost	[23:19]
BingoBoingo	http://www.cracked.com/article_21301_6-mysterious-deaths-thatll-make-you-believe-in-conspiracies.html	[23:22]
assbot	6 Mysterious Deaths That'll Make You Believe in Conspiracies \| Cracked.com	[23:22]
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pankkake	author of the article kills himself, 6 bullets in the head	[23:25]
BingoBoingo	If only	[23:26]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/ Odds: 49(Y):51(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.40421879 BTC. Current weight: 44,592.	[23:31]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 19(Y):81(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 10.87602464 BTC. Current weight: 64,370.	[23:35]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Financial-Services-Roundtable-Alexander-letter.pdf	[23:38]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "FIFA World Cup 2014 total goals over 158" http://bitbet.us/bet/898/ Odds: 64(Y):36(N) by coin, 62(Y):38(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.40421879 BTC. Current weight: 44,563.	[23:43]
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