Forum logs for 23 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

The20YearIRCloud	You want to look at affordable, extremely useful housing, look to what the Scots & irish did with their housing in the 1600s from Sod	[00:00]
ben_vulpes	!s pauper	[00:00]
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The20YearIRCloud	Some of those houses would last forever and needed almost no heat during freezing cold winters	[00:00]
JuliaTourianski_	the hexayurt is a solution for emergency housing, refugee camps, and poverty housing. they do protect against extreme temperature changes, hence their use at burning man	[00:00]
The20YearIRCloud	heck, body heat would keep em warm	[00:01]
The20YearIRCloud	And tents are bad?	[00:01]
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mircea_popescu	"After six decades and the expenditure of the equivalent of tens of billions of dollars, the promise of breeder reactors remains largely unfulfilled and efforts to commercialize them have been steadily cut back in most countries"	[00:01]
JuliaTourianski_	tents r shit	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	IPFS doesn't like torium	[00:01]
ben_vulpes	tents a shit	[00:01]
ben_vulpes	indeed	[00:01]
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Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, for who?	[00:02]
ben_vulpes	i for one think the burning man use case is hilarious	[00:02]
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The20YearIRCloud	hipsters at burning man?	[00:02]
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HeySteve	+The20YearIRCloud> One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery <- cool, here's something else you might be interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM0d2EsVehQ	[00:02]
assbot	The BioCycle by AgriProtein and Bear Valley Ventures - YouTube	[00:02]
JuliaTourianski_	?	[00:02]
ben_vulpes	"hi i'm subjecting myself to burning man but i want a temperature regulated environment but i can't afford an rv RENTAL"	[00:02]
Dimsler	lol who cares about hipsters at burning man	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	it is pretty funny	[00:02]
The20YearIRCloud	HeySteve: that's quite cool	[00:03]
HeySteve	yeah gonna start using them for fish feed	[00:03]
The20YearIRCloud	We've got a methane reactor on a farm here, doesn't use flies but produces a few KW of continuous power from a milk production	[00:03]
ben_vulpes	one use case that made some modicum of sense was this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused that he couldn't just get down in public at the burn	[00:03]
ben_vulpes	i mean w.t.f.	[00:03]
Dimsler	a cattle sized meat grinder	[00:03]
Dimsler	should be wheeled into burning man	[00:03]
jurov	from what i read about burning man, one needs two tents, the bigger one where you can clean off the salt	[00:04]
jurov	and inside it a small one	[00:05]
The20YearIRCloud	Ok, so the flies do a similar thing to composting?	[00:05]
jurov	domes/yurts are usable as the bigger one	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler why the hate ? kids gotta gather somewhere.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	now they can't rape each other on the uni campus, where is the handling supposed to occur ?	[00:05]
ben_vulpes	jurov: if you're cleaning off the dust, you're doing it wrong	[00:05]
ben_vulpes	wet wipes for the crotch is about all one needs.	[00:05]
jurov	you were yourself?	[00:06]
ben_vulpes	i was what?	[00:06]
jurov	ion burning man	[00:06]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, well no see, kids are about 16yrs old approx?	[00:06]
Dimsler	if you're 25 acting like a kid	[00:06]
ben_vulpes	a few times yeah jurov	[00:06]
Dimsler	its a little different	[00:06]
jurov	they wrote "if left on the skin that dust causes burns" - you say BS?	[00:06]
ben_vulpes	"get a house, settle down, give up on fun, otherwise you're a retarded child." << Dimsler	[00:07]
The20YearIRCloud	HeySteve: do you have more info on this fly thing?	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler nah, in civilised society as old as 26.	[00:07]
ben_vulpes	jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier there	[00:07]
ben_vulpes	i also suspect that skin oils make a nice little bottom layer	[00:07]
The20YearIRCloud	The big thing about fish feed is that there are a few types that have very, very, very low protein inputs and thrive on waste anyway	[00:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=272 << this bash thing	[00:12]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[00:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1404 @ 0.00075028 = 1.0534 BTC [+]	[00:14]
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HeySteve	The20YearIRCloud yeah they're building a big facility in fluffypony's neck of the woods to supply animal feed to farmers here	[00:18]
The20YearIRCloud	I'd love to try it here, granted finding the waste input could be difficult outside of animal manure from farms	[00:19]
The20YearIRCloud	How are the larva harvested?	[00:19]
HeySteve	this is a good guide: http://www.ie.unc.edu/for_students/courses/capstone/13/bsfl_how-to_guide.pdf	[00:19]
The20YearIRCloud	Great	[00:19]
HeySteve	the larvae harvest themselves by crawling up ramps and away from all the mess	[00:19]
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mircea_popescu	like silkworms huh	[00:22]
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HeySteve	I'm not sure, never kept silkworms	[00:22]
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The20YearIRCloud	HeySteve: and into harvesting stations?	[00:25]
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HeySteve	yeah or straight into animal feed troughs even	[00:26]
The20YearIRCloud	Alright, and they're eaten live by the animals?	[00:27]
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HeySteve	yeah I know chickens will eat them live and the protein content is high. will try it with fish but maybe they need to be processed for smaller fish	[00:30]
jurov	chicken don't have any prejudice against live worms	[00:30]
jurov	rather the opposite	[00:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0075 = 2.25 BTC [+]	[00:32]
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The20YearIRCloud	two nice-ish buys today, joy	[00:39]
The20YearIRCloud	chicken love insects, i know quite a few people that feed almost exclusively scratch (no food)	[00:40]
The20YearIRCloud	granted that doesn't work in winter	[00:40]
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HeySteve	you can put the chickens in a cage above the grubs to manage their waste	[00:44]
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kakobrekla	!up moldysnizz	[00:47]
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moldysnizz	Thanks, kakobrekla!	[00:48]
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kakobrekla	yw	[00:49]
kakobrekla	!s moldysnizz	[00:49]
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kakobrekla	not much of a talker	[00:50]
kakobrekla	not that there anything wrong with that	[00:50]
moldysnizz	heh, not so much. chatquack may have logged some drunkeness. I don't have access to his credintals right now. Desktop is in storage.	[00:51]
moldysnizz	moldy is my fallback.	[00:51]
The20YearIRCloud	HeySteve: that setup looks quite great	[00:53]
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The20YearIRCloud	Especially as a dried foodstock, i'm shocked though they estimate value at only $1/lb	[00:58]
The20YearIRCloud	would help with doing batches	[00:58]
Dimsler	ground beef is 40cents /lb	[00:59]
Dimsler	and thats a 70/30 mix	[00:59]
The20YearIRCloud	where?	[01:00]
The20YearIRCloud	HeySteve: seems they're 20% efficient at converting waste to protein/feedstock it seems	[01:00]
jurov	you should prolly should IPO it on havelock	[01:07]
jurov	MAGGOTMINER	[01:07]
The20YearIRCloud	yeah	[01:08]
The20YearIRCloud	The concern I have is would be getting the waste	[01:08]
The20YearIRCloud	They need 80kg+ to make ~17kg of feed per week. That's a great deal of waste.	[01:09]
jurov	can prolly be crowdsourced	[01:09]
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Dimsler	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEvomyYkIPY	[01:11]
assbot	Thief - Opening Scene - YouTube	[01:11]
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HeySteve	heh maggotminer	[01:11]
The20YearIRCloud	335m tons of manure is produced a year in the US, which would result in 67m tons of BSFL feedstock	[01:11]
The20YearIRCloud	Assuming 100% of all animal waste is used as a food source for them.	[01:11]
HeySteve	better than sending it to landfill I'd say!	[01:12]
The20YearIRCloud	Sure	[01:12]
HeySteve	a lot of animal feed is fish-based afaik	[01:12]
The20YearIRCloud	Then of that 67m tons of feedstock, animals (Depending on breed) are 15%-20% efficient at taking the BSFL feedstock and converting it to actual on-animal weight	[01:13]
HeySteve	fishmeal has risen a lot this year: http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=fish-meal	[01:13]
assbot	Fishmeal - Monthly Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi	[01:13]
The20YearIRCloud	So, an extra 13.4m tons of meat per year from recycling the waste through BSFLs.	[01:14]
HeySteve	nice	[01:14]
The20YearIRCloud	Wouldn't be a terrible thing if more places converted, but the problem starts to become that if you free-range animals (Cows and pigs, which are the largest waste producers by far), you can't effectively go out and get that waste	[01:14]
The20YearIRCloud	it has to be from indoor breeding/feeding areas	[01:14]
HeySteve	right. you're better off with collecting organic waste from other sources in that case	[01:15]
HeySteve	I've got a restaurant and greengrocer onboard for eg.	[01:15]
The20YearIRCloud	and how many pounds of meat will they produce a month from the BSFL?	[01:16]
HeySteve	and as in that video, sewage will seem to work too	[01:16]
The20YearIRCloud	At 100% of the animal waste produced converted to food, it'll take care of 5% of the total US meat demand	[01:16]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski_ puppet comment leave you a little rustled?	[01:17]
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HeySteve	well I know with fish, there's a method which achieves nearly 1:1 feed to weight conversion	[01:18]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla was that your intention	[01:18]
jurov	btw, i loved that quip about coffee grounds	[01:18]
HeySteve	so using BSFL and tilapia, that could be done	[01:18]
HeySteve	(in theory)	[01:18]
The20YearIRCloud	I'm a real big fan of tilapia	[01:19]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla well?	[01:19]
The20YearIRCloud	because from what I hear you can take raw farm waste (essentially corn silage) and feed it to them	[01:19]
The20YearIRCloud	that'd be quite interesting	[01:20]
HeySteve	hmm well, they will eat many things but to get good growth they want high protein feed	[01:20]
The20YearIRCloud	The thing with tilapia is that they eat like crazy on just about anything	[01:20]
The20YearIRCloud	the big holdback on tilapia is oxygen concentration. They breed like crazy to the point that they'll kill themselves	[01:20]
HeySteve	right but they only breed above about 28^ centigrade	[01:21]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski_ i was drinking last night but still, that's my impression	[01:21]
HeySteve	and at high concentration, they will prioritise feeding over breeding	[01:21]
HeySteve	but yeah, the more dissolved oxygen you can get the water to carry, the more densely you can stock them	[01:22]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla what is it based on? intuition...	[01:22]
The20YearIRCloud	Yeah, and that's what i see as the primary problem	[01:22]
The20YearIRCloud	although here some guys are going to pure oxygen injection in the water	[01:23]
HeySteve	well I am going to test out an impeller system	[01:23]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla i am curious to your line of thought	[01:23]
The20YearIRCloud	That's the more cost effective way to do it i think. I was looking at a 24/7 air compressor	[01:23]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski_, just a whisper, i hear it in my ghost but seriously, you never answered http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2014#839995	[01:23]
assbot	Logged on 22-09-2014 18:18:35; mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?	[01:23]
Dimsler	cazalla, Julia is a novice bitcoiner	[01:24]
Dimsler	she doesn't understand	[01:24]
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HeySteve	yeah a motor to run an impeller with a tube to draw oxygen down to the blades, I believe it will work well	[01:24]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it.	[01:25]
Dimsler	no	[01:25]
Dimsler	lol	[01:25]
HeySteve	the turbulence should stop it becoming a giant fish blender... might put on some kinda mesh just in case	[01:25]
Dimsler	you're just associated with the mainstream clownery	[01:25]
JuliaTourianski_	if i'm associated with everyone, then who is pulling my strings?	[01:25]
JuliaTourianski_	amir? mainstream?	[01:25]
Dimsler	yes ofcourse	[01:26]
Dimsler	amir taaki and the etherium clowns	[01:26]
JuliaTourianski_	you just dismissed a huge chunk of the btc space based on nothing.	[01:26]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski_ given i've seen a lot of you and paul joseph watson (alex jones puppet), perhaps that is the direction i should start	[01:26]
Dimsler	yeah i know	[01:26]
Dimsler	even went to the bilderberg group	[01:27]
Dimsler	alex jones that clown	[01:27]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla ive been on infowars, keiser, bbc, fox news - so who is it pulling my strings?	[01:27]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, amir was cool when he wasn't a pure drughead	[01:27]
Dimsler	years ago	[01:27]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler I'm friends with everyone in the declaration video..that's a lot of ppl, so whcih ones are pulling my strings? don;t cherry pick eh	[01:28]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski_, i said earler i don't know	[01:28]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla don't cherry pick info.	[01:28]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla yeah you don;t know- maybe there's not much to know.	[01:28]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, the question was pretty innocent	[01:28]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt?	[01:29]
HeySteve	JuliaTourianski_ did u interview the hexayurt designer in that video posted above?	[01:29]
Dimsler	no we don't care in here that you have a vagina	[01:29]
JuliaTourianski_	yeah i did	[01:29]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski_ i'd be even more suspect if you were black	[01:29]
JuliaTourianski_	everyone cares. lol it's naive to say you don;t	[01:29]
Dimsler	no seriously	[01:29]
Dimsler	you're in the wrong channel if you think that	[01:29]
JuliaTourianski_	it's not a sexist thing. it is what it is. it makes a difference both ways	[01:29]
HeySteve	ok well tell him he was wrong about GHash cartel monopolising Bitcoin mining as per anarchists: https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs	[01:29]
assbot	Bitcoin Hashrate Distribution - Blockchain.info	[01:29]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski_ as said vagina has nothing to do with it but a pretty girl is useful to get across the message, maybe you start making videos on ethereum soon?	[01:30]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, no, its because you're a public figure	[01:30]
HeySteve	that happened briefly but it didn't last	[01:30]
JuliaTourianski_	i have made 0 videos for anyone, so I'm confused with this whole convo	[01:30]
Dimsler	cazalla, no i think its the exact opposite	[01:30]
Dimsler	seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously?	[01:31]
Dimsler	like i think shes got her work cut out for her	[01:31]
JuliaTourianski_	I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works	[01:31]
Dimsler	Trace Mayer lol	[01:32]
cazalla	Dimsler, not really, this goes back to chat on how nigerians craft their emails	[01:32]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers	[01:33]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler i have certain advantage being me, but yes, ppl don;t take me seriously. when i go to these conferences it's telling. and everyone thinks im there with my bf. I'm not complaining, becuase once they bother to speak to me I show them I'm actually into BTC and the judgement dies.	[01:33]
Dimsler	well why does it have to be armoury for storing offline wallets	[01:33]
Dimsler	what happend to just storing your wallet offline at home?	[01:34]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla we all started out as a novice. I wrote that myself. i was inspired and excited. that's all. i wanted to bring the community together :) it was fun. u dont need to trust it	[01:34]
Dimsler	if you were perpetrating strict anarchy, independance would be critical	[01:34]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler cuz you can do watch only wallets etc.	[01:34]
Dimsler	so yeah	[01:34]
Dimsler	completely unnecessary	[01:34]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler I've been an anarchist a while. i was writing for mises.ca for a year prior to doing btc stuff	[01:35]
JuliaTourianski_	I didn;t come out of "nowhere" i was a lib since HS	[01:35]
Dimsler	mmm austrian school of economics	[01:35]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler completely necessary	[01:35]
BingoBoingo	I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works << Are you familiar with Armory's poor behavior?	[01:36]
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JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler the only reason the comment gets to me, is cuz I truly believe in everything I say and it sucks to be doubted in that. but I'm still fresh so fine. i don;t expect to be granted respect. I'll work for it. but dismissing people off the bat is just as bad no?	[01:36]
Dimsler	nobody has dismissed you?	[01:37]
JuliaTourianski_	+BingoBoingo they always work on their feedback no?	[01:37]
Dimsler	no	[01:37]
Dimsler	they don't	[01:37]
HeySteve	is the phone home issue fixed or what?	[01:37]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler saying someone is behind my content is dismissive ye	[01:37]
BingoBoingo	JuliaTourianski_: I mean the user phoning home stuff.	[01:37]
cazalla	julles, i'm not dismissing you or suggesting any sort of conspiracy but it raises ones suspicion when novice makes video and is seen with scammers the likes of amir, berwick, alex jones and his puppets	[01:37]
BingoBoingo	If they do that... What else can they do?	[01:37]
JuliaTourianski_	+BingoBoingo expand- last i saw was some reddit criticism they were addressing on privacy issues	[01:38]
mircea_popescu	!up Jondo	[01:38]
-assbot-	You voiced Jondo for 30 minutes.	[01:38]
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mircea_popescu	holy shit logs.	[01:38]
Dimsler	!up BCB	[01:38]
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BingoBoingo	cazalla: Maybe she fell in with a rough crowd.	[01:38]
Dimsler	lol	[01:38]
danielpbarron	JuliaTourianski_, you're really digging -assets, huh?	[01:38]
BCB	Dimsler: thx	[01:38]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_ is going to get eaten alive	[01:38]
BingoBoingo	!s Armory phone home	[01:39]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: what is your first language	[01:39]
assbot	3 results for 'Armory phone home' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Armory+phone+home	[01:39]
Dimsler	shes russian	[01:39]
Dimsler	i can't tell if born or not	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	how did you come to that conclusion ?	[01:39]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla amir is a ot a scammer. alex...I'm deciding on alex. ive spoken to him personally since, and I dont like the direction he's going lately. berwick is berwick. how about the rest of the ppl in there? all scammers?	[01:39]
Dimsler	cause shes got an accent	[01:39]
BCB	French Canadian?	[01:39]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, yes	[01:39]
BingoBoingo	JuliaTourianski_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2014#795113	[01:40]
assbot	Logged on 13-08-2014 23:30:06; mike_c: armory phones home with a hash of your home directory	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler accents make girls be eaten out ?	[01:40]
Dimsler	oh noo	[01:41]
danielpbarron	lol, "berwick is berwick." the polite way to say someone is a weirdo	[01:41]
JuliaTourianski_	+BingoBoingo im sorry hun, i dunno what that means. all i know I've been using armory. and it's rated to be the most secure by vitalik and I trust robots :D	[01:41]
BCB	She sounds like Celine dion	[01:41]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, vitalik is a complete moron	[01:41]
danielpbarron	you trust vitalik??	[01:41]
BingoBoingo	JuliaTourianski_: I dun really trust Vitalik	[01:41]
Dimsler	wahahahha	[01:41]
Dimsler	vitalik	[01:41]
JuliaTourianski_	+BCB fuck off. that's the worst thing anyone has said to me yet :P	[01:41]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, i knew vitalik when he was in waterloo	[01:41]
Dimsler	buying bitcoins off me	[01:41]
Dimsler	ages ago	[01:41]
Dimsler	complete fucking boob	[01:41]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: be nice. just tell us your first language.	[01:41]
Dimsler	with his idiotic ponzi etherium scheme	[01:42]
JuliaTourianski_	I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good	[01:42]
Dimsler	armory is not good	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	lmao celine dion.	[01:42]
JuliaTourianski_	+BCB it's russian	[01:42]
Dimsler	myth dispselled	[01:42]
BCB	Dimsler: you can't deny Vitalik's intelligence	[01:42]
Dimsler	can	[01:42]
Dimsler	fully deny vitaliks intelligence	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	BCB wut ?!	[01:42]
danielpbarron	"i don't trust him but i trust him." hm, ok	[01:42]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: interesting...	[01:42]
BCB	mircea_popescu: Vitalik is a smart guy	[01:42]
Dimsler	vitalik is not a smart guy	[01:42]
Dimsler	what are you talking about	[01:43]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler trust me...i know all there is to know about the ethereum issues. i wont comment further	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	i dun see it.	[01:43]
cazalla	!up julles	[01:43]
Dimsler	ethereium is a joke	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	what makes you think vitalik is smart ?	[01:43]
BCB	Dimsler: We can disagree	[01:43]
Dimsler	sure	[01:43]
BingoBoingo	I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good << The way trust works is if you dun trust someone, you can't trust them to tell you icecream is good.	[01:43]
BCB	mircea_popescu: I've read his writing. He is one of the most articulate writers on bitcoin.	[01:43]
Dimsler	man didn't amir lose a toe or something	[01:43]
Dimsler	in that hilarious compound these crackheads were staying at?	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	BCB specifically.	[01:44]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, whats amirs drug of choice?	[01:44]
danielpbarron	well he's smart enough to figure out a way to get 30k BTC out of all the fools who aren't patient enough to just buy Bitcoin and hold it	[01:44]
JuliaTourianski_	anyways. my point is, look at the big picture. there are good people in the declaration vid. most importantly it's a message I strongly believe in. so scammers or not, the message stays the same.	[01:44]
Dimsler	danielpbarron, vitalik is broke	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ you have much to learn.	[01:44]
Dimsler	he sold all his bitcoins for a few t-shirts	[01:44]
BCB	mircea_popescu: I don't buy Etherium and I have know idea of his coding skills but he is a good writer.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	BCB you are not saying anything specific.	[01:44]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler he likes psychedelics & M	[01:44]
Dimsler	Tolstoy is a good writer	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	"x is smart" "why" "because i think he is" "why" "because he is"	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	wd, but that's idiocy in action.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	!up julles	[01:45]
-assbot-	You voiced julles for 30 minutes.	[01:45]
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JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu yes I do.	[01:45]
BCB	mircea_popescu: he has a broad knowledge of the bitcoin echosphere. Have you ever meet him in person?	[01:45]
julles	cazalla, hi, sorry I never introduced myslef. I'm julles, I like what you guy do and have no relation whatsoever with the julles you're thinking of ;)	[01:45]
danielpbarron	what's with this +nickname thing? what client does that?	[01:45]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, the people you have in that video	[01:45]
Dimsler	mean jack shit for bitcoin	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ take the case of jeff. he's an idiot, and now a fraudster. not for any reason than misassociation.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	generally speaking, the most damage you can do to yourself is associating yourself with idiots and scammers	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	a point shrem is not able to regret enough.	[01:46]
Dimsler	yes	[01:46]
Dimsler	well shrem straigh tup	[01:46]
Dimsler	funded a tonne of silkroaders	[01:46]
Dimsler	and he knew about it	[01:46]
Dimsler	and he also laundered everyones elses cash	[01:46]
Dimsler	bless that man	[01:46]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu there are a lot of ppl in the vid. the non scammers whoever u may think they are cancel out the scammers, whoever u think they are	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	so no, this scummy "oh the message is nice anyway" carries no water.	[01:46]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu ya'll are cherry picking.	[01:46]
BCB	Dimsler: and he'll get less then 5 years	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	a bottle of wine does not cancel out a cupful of sewage.,	[01:47]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, are you kidding?	[01:47]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu one or two rotten cherries don;t kill the tree	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	it works the other way around.	[01:47]
BCB	for copping a plea and being an informant	[01:47]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, how about shrem is a rat	[01:47]
JuliaTourianski_	ahah semantics now	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[01:47]
Dimsler	and completely cooperated and ratted out half of the btc community	[01:47]
JuliaTourianski_	did u see the LINE i gave shrem	[01:47]
JuliaTourianski_	"we are in an age of appropriation, and nothing is immune"	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	i did not.	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	uh... mkay ?	[01:48]
JuliaTourianski_	is that lost on u lot?	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	that dun make much sense to me	[01:48]
Dimsler	i get the pun	[01:48]
Dimsler	i mean whats the point?	[01:48]
Dimsler	shrem wasn't some god	[01:48]
JuliaTourianski_	he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked.	[01:48]
Dimsler	lol guy also sold out early	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov: can prolly be crowdsourced << jurov is on fucking fire lmao	[01:48]
Dimsler	lol	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ soooo ?	[01:48]
JuliaTourianski_	so the line is perfect.	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	it's not that "he worked" and "thinking" etc. he made a career out of thinking he knows better than me,	[01:49]
Dimsler	how the fuck can you be an anarchist living in canada anyway	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	and now he'll make a career out of prison lyf.	[01:49]
Dimsler	the most communist socialized shit hole	[01:49]
JuliaTourianski_	he thought he was immune and he wasn't . lesson learned maybe. he's a good guy, ppl make mistakes	[01:49]
Dimsler	on the entire planet	[01:49]
BingoBoingo	JuliaTourianski_> he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked. << This is why you can't plea out ever.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	this "people make mistakes" bull is much too soft for btc.	[01:49]
Dimsler	yeah i know	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	generally people make one mistake.	[01:50]
Dimsler	nobody makes mistakes in btc LOL	[01:50]
BCB	+1	[01:50]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu u guys seem to have personal man beef with a lot of these ppl. this is where being a blonde girl helps, no egos.	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[01:50]
ben_vulpes	nah, i just have a lot of man beef.	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	nothing personal whatsoever.	[01:50]
JuliaTourianski_	ahhaha	[01:50]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, yeah honestly we don't really care	[01:50]
Dimsler	those guys don't effect bitcoin	[01:50]
Dimsler	or its growth	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little.	[01:50]
JuliaTourianski_	so what has the jury decided? whose pulling my strings? alex jones? berwik? amir? shrem? ahah	[01:51]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: should should put captions with the speakers names. I don't recognize half those guys	[01:51]
Dimsler	we are ruling that anyone that gives you attention	[01:51]
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mircea_popescu	BCB that's the tell tale sign of a good btc expert	[01:51]
JuliaTourianski_	that would look gaudy	[01:51]
JuliaTourianski_	there are credits down below	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	never seen before.	[01:51]
JuliaTourianski_	in the order of speaker	[01:51]
Dimsler	oh lawdy	[01:52]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler ahah therefore everyone	[01:52]
BCB	mircea_popescu: ha. Everybody is a fucking expert these days	[01:52]
Dimsler	BCB, no? no wai?	[01:52]
JuliaTourianski_	bruce fenton and patrick byrne are pulling them. i admit it!	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	expert is what junior used to be in the 90s	[01:52]
BCB	Dimsler: I heard even you are an expert now.	[01:52]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, maybe we should buy shit on overstock?	[01:52]
kakobrekla	;;google ciphershed	[01:52]
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mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ he your bf or something ?	[01:53]
Dimsler	you guys remember when reddit blew up, claiming overstock drove up the price of bitcoin?	[01:53]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu everyone is my bf obviously	[01:53]
Dimsler	nooo	[01:53]
Dimsler	beta orbiters	[01:53]
Dimsler	not boyfriends	[01:53]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu who would write my content otherwise?	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler is a beta orbiter what i imagine it is ?	[01:53]
JuliaTourianski_	bahaha	[01:54]
Dimsler	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beta+orbiter	[01:54]
assbot	Urban Dictionary: Beta orbiter	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	ie, this derpy dude spinning around some chick in the hopes that one day he can ask her things and she'll propose they be friends ?	[01:54]
Dimsler	yes	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	check me out i can guess teenthings!	[01:54]
Dimsler	well Julia is still here	[01:55]
Dimsler	i guess she staying?	[01:55]
Dimsler	can we at least get some nuds?	[01:55]
Dimsler	nudes	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	i'm hoping she amounts to more than that other chick, what was her name.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	the one that did the beg videos and then was never seen again	[01:55]
Dimsler	long and forgetten	[01:55]
Duffer1	the reporter?	[01:55]
Duffer1	i forget..	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	nono. brunette.	[01:55]
jurov	saffron?	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	a right!	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	had that snazzy vid to gif website	[01:56]
cazalla	she has some new bitcoin videos	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ so you see yourself mostly as a blogger/radio host/whatever that way ? pundit-like ?	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	cazalla nething good ?	[01:57]
Dimsler	i can't figure out what agenda shes pushing	[01:57]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: who chooses Jeffrey Tucker's bowties?	[01:57]
Dimsler	the first few videos she had were good	[01:57]
Dimsler	about actual anarchy	[01:57]
Dimsler	then it turned into a btc obsession	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler who you talking about ?	[01:57]
Dimsler	Julia	[01:57]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu ew	[01:58]
cazalla	judge for yourself http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=828999051	[01:58]
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JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler why cant i have my own agenda?	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler why does she have to have an agenda ?	[01:58]
Dimsler	interesting	[01:58]
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Dimsler	well as an outspoken individual offering themselves up as a gladiator to entertain	[01:59]
BingoBoingo	The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands << Who says solar has to get everyone powered to work?	[01:59]
Dimsler	there should be something to solute	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	is Jeffrey Tucker the guy that split from mises.org some time back ?	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	i recall there was some drama but don't recall the drama.	[01:59]
Dimsler	hence i'm curious about what the agenda is	[01:59]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler most ppl seem to be obsessed with btc. i did because it;s the onyl way anarchy can function scalabley	[01:59]
cazalla	if there was ever a guy still in the closet..	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	!b 2	[01:59]
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BCB	mircea_popescu: He runs liberty.me	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	darn you cazalla cockblocking my !b's	[01:59]
cazalla	lol	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	and matt drudge is more in the closet.	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	ever seen the man's hats ?!	[02:00]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, yes bitcoin would allow anarchy to function, but so can many other things through history	[02:00]
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JuliaTourianski_	by most ppl i mean, ppl either get obsessed or not. either in the woods or outside	[02:00]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler disagree	[02:00]
Dimsler	well then you've obviously haven't read much history	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	what's the definition of anarchy we're working on ?	[02:00]
Dimsler	seeing as anarchism has been rampant	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	"it's my hot body and i can do what i want" ?	[02:01]
Dimsler	up until the mid 1800s	[02:01]
jurov	anarchy will rule!!1	[02:01]
cazalla	in the woods or outside, blockchain technology, the other 6 billion, enough with the fucking platitudes, you're sounding more and more like andreas JuliaTourianski_	[02:01]
Dimsler	OH	[02:01]
Dimsler	dont mention	[02:01]
Dimsler	andreas in here	[02:01]
Dimsler	please	[02:01]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler tribalism maybe, this is the first time I think anarchy could work on a large scale becuase the blockchain offers a very practical set of tools for operating economy, trade, legal systems etc, in a trustless fashion. so I got obsessed ye.	[02:01]
Dimsler	all of that	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ you still haven't said what you mean by "anarchy"	[02:02]
Dimsler	operated on pen and paper	[02:02]
Dimsler	lol	[02:02]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler i like andreas a lot	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	you would lol	[02:02]
Dimsler	andreas was great	[02:02]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu absence of state	[02:02]
Dimsler	right up until he became bitcoin jesus' bitch	[02:02]
BCB	Andreas is a bitcoin expert	[02:02]
Dimsler	andreas is such a bitcoin expert that he doesn't have any	[02:02]
BCB	andreas is writing the bitcoin book	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ so then his point holds. anarchy is prevalent historically.	[02:02]
Dimsler	mircea_popescu, fuck yeah it is	[02:03]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu Anselme Bellegarrigue style	[02:03]
Dimsler	no horse shit	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	nm teh style.	[02:03]
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JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu I don't disagree. but it was always on a smaller scale.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	!up dnaleor	[02:03]
-assbot-	You voiced dnaleor for 30 minutes.	[02:03]
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Dimsler	smaller scale	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ what's your definition of scale ?	[02:03]
Dimsler	what the fuck are you talking about?	[02:03]
Dimsler	during the french revolution only %7 of the people spoke french	[02:04]
JuliaTourianski_	allocation of resources is an issue, fuller says that's the role of gov systems really. once we scarcity is resolved we don;t need their infrastructure	[02:04]
Dimsler	i mean german fairy tales	[02:04]
Dimsler	before napoleon came and raped germany	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	scarcity resolved ?	[02:04]
Dimsler	were of the "times that were"	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	what nonsense is this, bitcoin is scarce by definition.	[02:04]
punkman	3d printing!!!111	[02:04]
Dimsler	where every kingdom was 15km down the road	[02:04]
Dimsler	plenty of anarchy amongst monarchy	[02:05]
Dimsler	if youw ant to talk about civilized history	[02:05]
JuliaTourianski_	we tocuhed on this with vinay, solving shelter, clean water, food, disease, injury	[02:05]
JuliaTourianski_	energy is the last peice	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	you're being ridiculous.	[02:05]
JuliaTourianski_	well anarchy exists everywhere, but as a black system a lot of the time	[02:05]
JuliaTourianski_	all russians would have starved without anarchy. with black markets, only many starved.	[02:06]
JuliaTourianski_	in the soviet union i mean	[02:06]
Dimsler	ofcourse they did	[02:06]
Dimsler	but if you want to talk about communism	[02:06]
punkman	there's no black market without state	[02:06]
Dimsler	exactly	[02:06]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, born in russia or canada?	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	punkman the state of her words is very very disorganised.	[02:07]
Dimsler	yes	[02:07]
JuliaTourianski_	with the blockchain we have a possible was to just avoid gov, discreetly, building alt systems until it falls away. before, most anarchistic societies were destroyed by gov.	[02:07]
Dimsler	i remember when i was a kid	[02:07]
JuliaTourianski_	born in the soviet union.	[02:07]
Dimsler	my grandma got a ticket for 2 washing machines	[02:07]
Dimsler	while we needed a fridge	[02:07]
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mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ if your "we" includes the derps a la taaki, derpopoulous etc, no, "we" has no chance to anything but talk	[02:07]
Dimsler	went right to the market with the washing machine	[02:07]
Dimsler	if you want to talk about communism and its blackmarket	[02:08]
Dimsler	then %40 of the economy in russia was blackmarket	[02:08]
Dimsler	if you want to apply that to canada	[02:08]
Dimsler	wher eyou live now, its about %90 communist	[02:08]
Dimsler	and %8 black market	[02:08]
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Dimsler	if not considerably less	[02:08]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu i know u have a personal vendetta against taaki so I'll dismiss you vehement criticism of him due to ur bias	[02:08]
Dimsler	no	[02:08]
Dimsler	taaki is just a fucking joke	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	vehement criticism does not equate bias	[02:09]
Dimsler	he should have stayed off the fucking drugs	[02:09]
Dimsler	and kept workign and programming	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	and i do not have a PERSONAL vendetta against taaki. i just flatten idiots	[02:09]
JuliaTourianski_	I'm not here to defend Taaki	[02:09]
Dimsler	not sitting around squating in a flat	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	if he weren't an idiot he wouldn't have been flattened.	[02:09]
Dimsler	and losing his toe	[02:09]
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Dimsler	!up BCB	[02:09]
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Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, lies	[02:09]
punkman	taaki's not a person, can't have personal vendetta	[02:09]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ that's fine, but the problem is the thought process. you tend to go for this words because words because more words approach. it's not very sound.	[02:09]
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JuliaTourianski_	what's wrong with squatting?	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	the opposite of autonomy ?	[02:10]
JuliaTourianski_	paying rent to a lord is empowering?	[02:10]
Dimsler	i know	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	having the ability to pay rent or not is.	[02:10]
Dimsler	pfft no	[02:10]
Dimsler	i know	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	not having that ability is not.	[02:10]
JuliaTourianski_	empty building paid by taxes.	[02:10]
BingoBoingo	what's wrong with squatting? << Well, apparently this is the healthier way to poop	[02:10]
Dimsler	money is what buys freedom	[02:10]
Dimsler	no see horse shit	[02:10]
Dimsler	your idea of anarchism	[02:10]
Dimsler	is living in a hippy fucking hexyurt	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler you'll hafta start making full sentences.	[02:11]
JuliaTourianski_	when did i say that	[02:11]
Dimsler	i know	[02:11]
JuliaTourianski_	hexyurt is a great option for emergency housing	[02:11]
BCB	http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587443/	[02:11]
Dimsler	how does a hexyurt provide any sort of anarchistical resource?	[02:11]
assbot	Julia Tourianski - IMDb	[02:11]
JuliaTourianski_	squatting is a great option to work on projects full time and not spent funding money of rent	[02:12]
BCB	She used to be a movie star	[02:12]
JuliaTourianski_	on*	[02:12]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, a squatter is a slave	[02:12]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler erm. lost me	[02:12]
Dimsler	they only way to buy freedom, and live as an anarchist is to obtain wealth	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ except after full time of working on "projects" the only results are some scams and some ridicule.	[02:12]
Dimsler	to free yourself	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	would have been better if he picked a honest job.	[02:12]
Dimsler	yes	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	something with bags and groceries.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	i can appreciate EVERYONE wants to be cool important and a mind worker.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	not everyone can. no matter how desperately they want to.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	human intelligence is the ultimate scarce resource	[02:13]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu not true. libbitcoin	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	and its scarcity scales with availability, so it's un"resolvable"	[02:13]
BingoBoingo	JuliaTourianski_: tents r shit << Tents are Awesome!!!	[02:13]
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Dimsler	i know	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ his contribution to libbitcoin is the same as with bitcoin itself : he gofer'd coffee for the people involved.	[02:13]
Dimsler	how are tents shit? when they've been used for centuries	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587443/ << is this actually yours ?	[02:14]
assbot	Julia Tourianski - IMDb	[02:14]
Duffer1	tents r shit :P	[02:14]
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JuliaTourianski_	ahahahah wow u guys really dig	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	8.1/10 rating 50 viewers, was that gamed a little ?	[02:16]
JuliaTourianski_	honest job...you sound a little boxed in	[02:17]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu ?	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	i mean... ben hur is 8.1/10	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	the truman show 8.0. cmon :)	[02:18]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu fan boys liked it and rated it i guess	[02:18]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu the valve lovers are strong	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	i guess so	[02:18]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu i didn't like it. maybe ill rate it down	[02:18]
cazalla	JuliaTourianski_ and you shit on half life?	[02:19]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu thought it was an epic waste of time...yet I retained my editing skills so hey!	[02:19]
JuliaTourianski_	+cazalla the games are pure wicked	[02:19]
JuliaTourianski_	almost fucking died making episode 3 and they didint even bother finishing it. bleh	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	these +s remind me : JuliaTourianski_ if you actually get a client you get various benefiuts, such as a log, and autocomplete names and stuff.	[02:20]
JuliaTourianski_	FUNNY thing, the director is not a BTC millionare	[02:20]
JuliaTourianski_	now*	[02:20]
JuliaTourianski_	funny how money makes ppl quit productivity sometimes...maybe amir is onto something here	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	who, david purchase ?	[02:21]
JuliaTourianski_	ye	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	good for him.	[02:22]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu "I am the richest man you've met, and If I can help it, I'll be the richest man you've ever met"	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	who's that ?	[02:24]
JuliaTourianski_	ring a bell?	[02:24]
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JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu that's the first thing you said to me after attempting to troll me	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	lol figures. i attempted to troll you ?!	[02:24]
BCB	don't fuck with JuliaTourianski_ http://youtu.be/4lyUNs7eNhs?t=40s	[02:24]
assbot	Escape From City 17 - Part Two - YouTube	[02:25]
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mircea_popescu	!s "the richest man you've met"	[02:25]
assbot	0 results for '"the richest man you've met"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22the+richest+man+you%27ve+met%22	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	hm	[02:25]
Duffer1	space glock	[02:25]
JuliaTourianski_	bahahaha i hate it so much	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt? <<< hard to know, but i think the last dude in a tshirt to try the entire reddit thing here was kamela or something	[02:27]
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JuliaTourianski_	I'm no actress. i was ued for my russian skillz	[02:27]
JuliaTourianski_	used*	[02:27]
Duffer1	no you're not bad at all	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=240 this guy	[02:27]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[02:27]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: did you get to "Make it" with that guy before he get's killed?	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	tim sweeny or w/e his name was didn't quite have the youthful flexibility and so he ended up butchered	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	but iirc on the 2nd pass byrne managed somewhat.	[02:28]
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JuliaTourianski_	+BCB if I wanted to I did. If	[02:28]
JuliaTourianski_	I didin;t want to I didn't	[02:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00074938 = 6.8943 BTC [-]	[02:28]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: in the movie i mean	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	o you do don't you.	[02:29]
Duffer1	BCB5:40	[02:29]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: not in real life. Everyone bangs on movie sets	[02:29]
JuliaTourianski_	+BCB there's a makeout scene. I wonder why he wrote that in there.	[02:29]
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BCB	JuliaTourianski_: is that guy the director also?	[02:29]
mircea_popescu	probably because you have to have something for youtube to iconize	[02:29]
JuliaTourianski_	ye	[02:30]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/greenpeace-accepting-bitcoin-donations/	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler: seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously? << me, for one.	[02:30]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: of course he is!	[02:30]
BCB	Dimsler: She seems to be holding her own in here. I'll take her seriously.	[02:30]
mircea_popescu	i guess if we decide to off Dimsler we'll send cute blonde assassins after him.	[02:31]
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JuliaTourianski_	I seem to be doing a lot of things lately	[02:31]
The20YearIRCloud	HeySteve: seems most efficient animals (fish & chicken) are 1.2 to 2 pounds of input per pound of meat	[02:31]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers << while this is actually sound, the problem with youth is that it wants to act. which is also sound. so novices with drive will often first show up in dubious company.	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	intel didn't manage to find any actual shilling, so whadda ya want.	[02:33]
HeySteve	sounds about right, The20YearIRCloud, but like I said there's a "hack" for tilapia which brings it to 1:1 or even below!	[02:33]
HeySteve	check out biofloc if you're interested	[02:34]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu I believe in a free market. my impressionable mind is fair game. get it while it's hot. sculpt me in your image. pull my strings. I'm young. don;t miss out! your future is at stake!	[02:34]
HeySteve	in fact, I seem to remember someone mentioning 0.5:1 feed to weight conversion, which is pretty astounding	[02:34]
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mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ i'm more of a stationary sculpting mechanism. which is why the "pick something to do" thing.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	HeySteve now that's gotta be impossible.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	nobody cancelled mass conservation just yet.	[02:36]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu more for the "scammers" then	[02:36]
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BCB	Speaking of Jeffrey Tucker: https://twitter.com/MyBitNation/status/513853503694204928	[02:36]
assbot	Bitnation will be performing the first Bitmarriage on the Blockchain, officiated by Jeffrey A Tucker using CoinOutlet Inc /CoinsKingdom.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ well what do you want me to do, tell you what to do ?!	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	BCB is it a traditional marriage ? :D	[02:36]
BCB	mircea_popescu: I was wondering that.	[02:37]
HeySteve	mircea_popescu, the hack is that gill-feeding fish also absorb algae and plankton colonies from the water, you just need to seed the water with carbon to encourage colony growth	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	a	[02:37]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu no honey, i was being facetious	[02:37]
BCB	mircea_popescu: they are getting married at Disney so probabaly!	[02:37]
mircea_popescu	unconvincingly so.	[02:37]
BCB	mircea_popescu: a gay couple wouldn't be caught dead getting married at disney	[02:38]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu depends on the receiving end in this case	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ anyway, what ever happened to anjiecast ? she got married or what.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	BCB not campy enough ?	[02:38]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu> whose that	[02:38]
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cazalla	she's been trolling 4chan mircea_popescu	[02:39]
cazalla	https://twitter.com/anjiecast/status/513128609671041024 trolled me hard :	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ andrea castillo	[02:39]
assbot	Censoring /hashtag/4chan?src=hash /hashtag/GamerGate?src=hash threads isn't enough. Many /hashtag/problematic?src=hash comments, attitudes. Let's make it a /hashtag/SafeSpace?src=hash. http://t.co/vR4jJRZGo8	[02:39]
JuliaTourianski_	she got me on here in the first place	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	cazalla lol noob.	[02:39]
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danielpbarron	lol why is "problematic" a hashtag?	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ yeah but the last n umlaut posts are by that gurri newb	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	and generally, haven't seen her in a while	[02:42]
kakobrekla	#i #do #what #i #want	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	#kakobrekla #tagging #language	[02:42]
kakobrekla	#ktl #noob	[02:43]
JuliaTourianski_	+danielpbarron pats her troll on the head aww	[02:43]
mircea_popescu	;;ud ktl	[02:43]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=KTL \| Feb 6, 2009 ... Download the Free App! 1. KTL. Black person, the word originated in Atherton, California. "Damn, look at that KTL." by Jiji Blancha February 06, ...	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	you called me a hashnigger ?!	[02:43]
kakobrekla	#nfi #atthispoint	[02:43]
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mircea_popescu	#a#obre#la	[02:44]
kakobrekla	##	[02:44]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[02:44]
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JuliaTourianski_	+danielpbarron what's wrong? you don;t wanna troll me in front of your friends?	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/09/how-sugar-daddies-are-financing-college-education/379533/?single_page=true <> http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/	[02:45]
assbot	How Sugar Daddies Are Financing College Education - The Atlantic	[02:45]
assbot	The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[02:45]
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mircea_popescu	so much win. i knew plastering us college campuses with fliers of that article won't be wasted.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	this, dear everyone, is what i call thought leadersheep	[02:45]
Dimsler	lol	[02:46]
Dimsler	thats a good one	[02:46]
danielpbarron	JuliaTourianski_, say what you like :D	[02:46]
JuliaTourianski_	+danielpbarron I always do	[02:46]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, thats ok we'll troll you enough	[02:46]
JuliaTourianski_	+danielpbarron it was ok when I wasn't in here ye? im dissapointed	[02:47]
kakobrekla	also slander available.	[02:47]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, don't upset your beta orbiters	[02:47]
JuliaTourianski_	never!	[02:47]
danielpbarron	not sure i catch your meaning; you seem to be enjoying yourself	[02:47]
Dimsler	she sits right in	[02:47]
kakobrekla	you mean right on?	[02:48]
JuliaTourianski_	+danielpbarron I'll call you europa	[02:48]
Dimsler	!up BCB	[02:48]
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BCB	Thx	[02:48]
Duffer1	oh snap	[02:48]
BCB	mircea_popescu: what is your take on GABI	[02:48]
BCB	any opinion	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	which gabi.	[02:48]
JuliaTourianski_	+Duffer1 crackle n' pop	[02:48]
BCB	mircea_popescu: Global Advisors Bitcoin Investment Fund	[02:49]
BCB	Isle of Man	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	nothing particular.	[02:49]
Duffer1	sounds like a scam	[02:49]
Dimsler	lol	[02:49]
Dimsler	must steal btc	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	the guy was with jp, if it's actually him	[02:50]
Dimsler	lol tell me where the fund on the NYSE is?	[02:50]
Dimsler	what happend to the winkle twins?	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[02:50]
Duffer1	working their way through red tape	[02:50]
BCB	Dimsler: they are waiting for a ruling	[02:50]
JuliaTourianski_	what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist.	[03:01]
Dimsler	oh common	[03:02]
Duffer1	cardano	[03:02]
Duffer1	minigame	[03:02]
Dimsler	pimp coin	[03:02]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, we need more cam 4 btc websites.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	Dimsler srsly now.	[03:02]
Dimsler	srs answer to srs question	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ i like mpex, bitbet, s.nsa, war of life, minigame etc.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	i also own parts of em	[03:03]
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mircea_popescu	which reminds me, ever saw the nsa tshirt ?	[03:03]
JuliaTourianski_	+mircea_popescu haven't heard of any of those. probably a good sign	[03:04]
BCB	Dimsler: not really. I've NEVER seen a girl on line on this site! http://titsforbitcoin.com/	[03:05]
assbot	Tits For Bitcoin - Bitcoin cams. Live Bitcoin webcams. Watch and earn Bitcoin. Amateur girls on live cams accept Bitcoin	[03:05]
Dimsler	BCB, i was just playing sarcastaball with Julia	[03:05]
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Duffer1	mircea_popescu, shirt?	[03:05]
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BCB	JuliaTourianski_: The conferences are place where guys pump there Press Releases looking for dumb money.	[03:06]
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Dimsler	the conferences are for people without bitcoins	[03:06]
Dimsler	to pump up the price of my coins	[03:06]
Dimsler	with empty promises and shinanigans	[03:06]
JuliaTourianski_	I'm aware	[03:06]
BCB	Dimsler: I think it's a great use case but it's not catching on yet.	[03:06]
JuliaTourianski_	I mainly go as a social experiment	[03:07]
Duffer1	how many phone numbers can you get?	[03:07]
JuliaTourianski_	something like that	[03:07]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: They are all the same after a while. Same speakers. Same stories. Same empty promises	[03:07]
Dimsler	lol when do we get your number?	[03:07]
JuliaTourianski_	that's an easy thing to predict though. im not that easily entertained	[03:07]
BCB	JuliaTourianski_: which conferences have you been to so far	[03:07]
JuliaTourianski_	toronto, chicago and the recent inside btc in london	[03:08]
JuliaTourianski_	vegas next	[03:08]
BCB	Vegas was a shit show last year	[03:08]
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JuliaTourianski_	i learned a lot at each one, not from the conference itself tho	[03:08]
BCB	The Inside Media/Mackler Media show suck	[03:09]
Dimsler	did you learn the part about how each of those conferences	[03:09]
Dimsler	has this particulate stench of greed	[03:09]
Dimsler	in the air?	[03:09]
Duffer1	$conference	[03:09]
empyex	Duffer1: Next conference starts in 6 months and 25 days. Estimated cost today: 3.28644342 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )	[03:09]
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JuliaTourianski_	u mean stench of desperation?	[03:09]
Dimsler	lol i once heard a guy tell me that he can't wait for the $50k/btc	[03:09]
BCB	empyex: where?	[03:10]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, current serious projects at this point are mostly in limbo	[03:10]
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Duffer1	bcb http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/	[03:11]
assbot	The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[03:11]
Dimsler	ironcing out the kinks in better exchanging	[03:11]
Dimsler	JuliaTourianski_, unless you're refering to developments in blockchain itself	[03:11]
Dimsler	if you want to artculate the blockchain as its own entity, then theres a few projects on contracts and signatures, and encryption	[03:12]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler indeed. blockchain dev has been very slow and for good reason. maybe VIAcoin will help. permisionless dev...testing ground of sorts could be helpful	[03:12]
Dimsler	well no	[03:13]
Dimsler	altcoins are things to be extremely wearyoff	[03:13]
BCB	Duffer1: Layover in Istanbul ??	[03:13]
Dimsler	very few provide even a proof of concept	[03:13]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler i know. this one feels pragmatic	[03:13]
JuliaTourianski_	+Dimsler foundation simply pushed for payment improvements it seems	[03:14]
Dimsler	the founation at this point has little say	[03:14]
Duffer1	bcb hehe it's not my shindig ask MP	[03:14]
Dimsler	which is a good thing	[03:14]
Dimsler	bitcoin is at a poitn where it operates rather autonomously	[03:15]
Dimsler	and anyone who needs bitcoin at this point already knows about it	[03:15]
JuliaTourianski_	this is great btw- http://imgur.com/m3Wbxxa	[03:15]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[03:15]
Dimsler	hence the stagnated growth / wallet creation rate	[03:15]
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decimation	lol > http://boycottsystemd.org/	[03:15]
assbot	boycott systemd	[03:15]
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decimation	I don't accept that growth is a valid measure of bitcoin's 'success'	[03:16]
Dimsler	nobody said it was	[03:16]
Dimsler	bitcoin is already a success	[03:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9970 @ 0.00074895 = 7.467 BTC [-]	[03:17]
Dimsler	but the cost per transaction is still high	[03:17]
Dimsler	need to get back down to $1-2	[03:18]
kakobrekla	i _can_ send any amount for free. anyone can.	[03:18]
Dimsler	well no don't sell that line to Julia	[03:18]
Dimsler	shes probably more interested about the actual inner workings	[03:18]
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HeySteve	decimation, that link was funnier when I thought it referred to the black market	[03:18]
kakobrekla	(if its not clear to anyone, the trick is in the size and shape of unspent outputs)	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	HeySteve: But that one is spelt with a space and a Capital D	[03:22]
HeySteve	true but people waving "boycott Silk Road now!" banners is an amusing thought	[03:25]
Dimsler	lol	[03:26]
Dimsler	i think SK 2.0 is so fucking massive	[03:27]
Dimsler	now	[03:27]
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HeySteve	did they pay back everything yet?	[03:30]
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danielpbarron	HeySteve, I think I heard thst they did	[03:47]
mats_cd03	this is the most activity in ages	[03:54]
mats_cd03	how are we all doing tonight?	[03:54]
Duffer1	wasteland isn't as good as fallout :(	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 pretty good actually.	[03:56]
mats_cd03	!s golemxiv	[03:56]
assbot	0 results for 'golemxiv' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=golemxiv	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu, shirt? http://trilema.com/2013/rng-board-is-here-cute-shirts-bonus/	[03:56]
assbot	RNG board is here ; cute shirts bonus pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[03:57]
mats_cd03	http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/09/slaves-england/	[03:57]
assbot	Slaves of England » Golem XIV - Thoughts	[03:57]
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Duffer1	i like	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	* kakobrekla think julia might be a good candidate for ba reception << more practical to get local girls.	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	she may make a decent mpex rep but too soon to tell.	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	current serious projects at this point are mostly in limbo << nope.	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 i thought you had seen em	[03:59]
Duffer1	it's possible, my memory is not so good, but i believe i would have remembered that	[03:59]
mats_cd03	http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2012/08/a-word-about-banks-and-the-laundering-of-drug-money/	[04:00]
assbot	A word about banks and the laundering of drug money » Golem XIV - Thoughts	[04:00]
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mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 whossat ?	[04:00]
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mircea_popescu	BCB: Duffer1: Layover in Istanbul ?? << istanbul is lovely. ever been ?	[04:00]
kakobrekla	local to who?	[04:01]
Duffer1	i've never been out of the states	[04:01]
mats_cd03	not sure really. he writes things, i read them, and sometimes im happy	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla to the conference :)	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	decimation: lol > http://boycottsystemd.org/ << it'd have been pretty meta if the systemd ppl themselkves had reg'd that domain and made a parody antisite	[04:02]
assbot	boycott systemd	[04:02]
mats_cd03	it was this post that made me think he might be appropriate for this community. http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/07/disloyal	[04:04]
assbot	The Disloyal » Golem XIV - Thoughts	[04:04]
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mircea_popescu	"Needless to say these banks tend to be big banks – our banks. "	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	bout as idiotic as paper can carry tbh.	[04:05]
mats_cd03	perhaps i will leave him a mail, to put him on the right path	[04:05]
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mircea_popescu	"I was in Timisoara Romania last week. Timisoara is a city of roughly 320k people on the Western edge of Romania. On the drive in to the city I was struck by the huge number of different banks I kept passing."	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	"because i tend to confuse tiny 500 sq feet retail bnaking outlets" with "banks"	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	"When I asked a group of a dozen of the city’s affluent professional class about the number of banks, they smiled and said"	[04:07]
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mircea_popescu	"because i confuse kids with iphones working for alcatel doing tech support for 400e a month for affluent and professional"	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[04:07]
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mats_cd03	on the other hand, i am also new here and perhaps i should listen more and type less.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	guy can't hurt anything, but he's likely to get very pissed off and leave in a huff	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	then again, who ever knows.	[04:10]
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mircea_popescu	o wow auster died last year ?!	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	http://www.amnation.com/vfr/	[04:12]
assbot	View from the Right	[04:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5845 @ 0.00074938 = 4.3801 BTC [+]	[04:23]
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BingoBoingo	!up AdrianoOliveira	[04:41]
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BingoBoingo	!up RBecker	[04:41]
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AdrianoOliveira	thanks BingoBoingo	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	Yw	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	!up RBecker	[04:41]
-assbot-	You voiced RBecker for another 30 minutes.	[04:41]
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mircea_popescu	o ok :p	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	%d	[04:45]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 295074.81 in 918 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.29	[04:45]
assbot	SEC to pay $30 million in largest-ever whistleblower award - Chicago Tribune	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	five years ?	[04:47]
mats_cd03	amazing pr	[04:49]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	"Francis Fukuyama, in The Great Disruption, pretends to seek ways to reverse the “Great Disruption” of the Cultural Revolution, but then admits that there’s no way to restore the most important single aspect of our disrupted culture—sexual morality and monogamy. Furthermore, Fukuyama makes it clear that this is just fine with him."	[04:49]
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mircea_popescu	where the fuck does this idiotic conflation of chastity and morality come from.	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	the logical equivalent would be to prosecute nonvegetarians for theft.	[04:49]
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thestringpuller	%tslb	[04:51]
atcbot	Time Since Last ATC Block (#45450): 1 hour(s), 5 minutes	[04:51]
BingoBoingo	%p	[04:52]
atcbot	>> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 12.22 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.22 TH/s	[04:52]
danielpbarron	depends what is meant by chastity, but I'd say the Bible	[04:52]
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mircea_popescu	i very much doubt the bible makes the mistake.	[04:53]
danielpbarron	it's not that sexual intercourse is immoral; just certain kinds..	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	but at issue is the conflation.	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	"morality and monogamy" ? that's not biblical. it's not even mahomedanic.	[04:54]
danielpbarron	yep; got a point there	[04:55]
danielpbarron	that's one of the things so many false christians get hung up on; that most of the big names in the Bible had multiple wives and concubines (slave wives), and God never scolded them for it	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	well yahweh didn't live in queens.	[04:59]
danielpbarron	i like to use the plural "wives" when discussing my hypothetical future to see what kind of expression people make	[05:00]
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mircea_popescu	people or women ? :D	[05:00]
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danielpbarron	both.	[05:01]
danielpbarron	"i don't yet have any wives" "lol wat?"	[05:01]
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mircea_popescu	they proly figure you for a mormon.	[05:01]
danielpbarron	yep and then I get to tell them about how mormonism is a false gospel	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	and then they buy you lunch ?	[05:02]
mats_cd03	dpb is a rl troll. i guess that makes sense	[05:03]
danielpbarron	"rl" == "real life?"	[05:03]
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mats_cd03	yes	[05:04]
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danielpbarron	what does "troll" even mean? I honestly believe the offensive things I say.	[05:04]
Vexual	like morolity and madness, the internet has over half the voters	[05:05]
Vexual	this is real life	[05:05]
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mircea_popescu	troll no longer means any particular thing.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	"someone i'd rather ignore" is probably the extension of it.	[05:07]
danielpbarron	it's like the word "cult;" it means "i don 't like you."	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	no, cult means "you're proceeding on software that I have nothing to do with and don't want anything to do with"	[05:08]
Vexual	islamic state is called a death cult here n state news	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	basically, like saying "windows"	[05:08]
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Vexual	bunch of nutters	[05:11]
mats_cd03	i take it back, you are simply living a genuine life	[05:11]
mats_cd03	a rare thing in christians, in my experience	[05:11]
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danielpbarron	so rare I've only ever met a few others who feel the same	[05:12]
mats_cd03	ma n pa being clergy, this is true praise.	[05:12]
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Vexual	asciilifeform:" mircea_popescu: i can't have been the only boy who wanted a game machine that would physically damage you when you fuck up..." i reckons a week on lemonade stand hooked up to a taser should be some kinda mba equivalence	[05:13]
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mats_cd03	on the subject of MBAs, i emptied a 'bitcoin atm' with 1.1btc operated by LibertyTeller the other day	[05:15]
mats_cd03	self funded by... wharton MBAs. i mean to empty them again and see how long the machines stick around	[05:16]
Vexual	do you mean you put dollar bills in?	[05:16]
mats_cd03	they can't possibly make roi	[05:16]
mats_cd03	yes	[05:16]
mats_cd03	http://libertyteller.com machines made by lamassu or w/e	[05:18]
assbot	Liberty Teller – First bitcoin ATM in the USA	[05:18]
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Vexual	what rate did you get?	[05:18]
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mats_cd03	427 when spot was 410 iirc	[05:21]
Vexual	sounds like roi to me	[05:21]
mats_cd03	we shall see	[05:22]
Vexual	tommorrow it'll have 1.2	[05:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11237 @ 0.00075016 = 8.4295 BTC [+] {2}	[05:23]
Vexual	do any of those fuckers take coins?	[05:24]
mats_cd03	no, that would probably 'enable money laundering' or something equally ludicrous	[05:24]
Vexual	yeah, i was thinking one could get all their wives and kids and cats and shit on the board of a non profit	[05:25]
mats_cd03	i tried to use a 2way btc atm at the hacker dojo in silicon valley	[05:25]
mats_cd03	iirc it needed palm print photo and govt id	[05:25]
mats_cd03	n prob rectotherm	[05:26]
Vexual	lol	[05:26]
mats_cd03	that is - palm print, photo, n govt id. 3 items.	[05:27]
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Vexual	i don't have to do any of that if i choose to drop my loose change in the donation bag on a plane	[05:30]
Vexual	and you can bet more hat 10pc goes to someones wife	[05:31]
Vexual	or wives	[05:31]
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mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 wtf why would anyoen do that.	[05:38]
Vexual	they wouldnt	[05:39]
mats_cd03	dunno, i didn't, too orweillian for my taste	[05:39]
mats_cd03	if they went for just govt id i may have considered it	[05:40]
decimation	what recourse would a human have if they stole his credentials and used them criminally?	[05:40]
Vexual	they'd cash in a 20c priv key on the inside of a condom wrapper tho	[05:40]
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mircea_popescu	decimation that they'd prolly not do it to just one human	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	same as any internet thing	[05:42]
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Vexual	i think the recourse for steling a palm print might in fact be a palm print	[05:57]
Vexual	ad infinitum	[05:59]
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mircea_popescu	fly0nth3wal1 listen fix your connection because all this join part spam wil result in a ban sooner or later.	[06:15]
Dimsler	lol looks like he just left and joined once?	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	like 50 times today.	[06:21]
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ben_vulpes	so dates are lame, right?	[06:23]
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mircea_popescu	the fruit ? no, i love them.	[06:23]
ben_vulpes	i want to timestamp a thing, i just put the hash of the latest block in in it and then sign the fucker. counterparty ibid, presto, contract pinned to blockchain.	[06:24]
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ben_vulpes	what is time, anyways...	[06:24]
ben_vulpes	now, a specific block in the chain - that means something.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes supposedly something that's going to automate that is getting delivered this month	[06:25]
mircea_popescu	the fabled b-a deeds registrar.	[06:25]
ben_vulpes	meh	[06:25]
ben_vulpes	i tell ya, if i and my counterparty agree on a block, what's the point?	[06:25]
ben_vulpes	ask i mean to say.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	it protects you from data loss, if nothing else.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	it allows you to pin down a date w/o a cp	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	numerous advantages really.	[06:27]
ben_vulpes	how does this date pinning work?	[06:27]
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ben_vulpes	whose computer, what tz, and why even bother with time?	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	dja recall the spec ?	[06:28]
ben_vulpes	spec seems like formal term	[06:29]
ben_vulpes	i read some shit on irc one time	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	mno	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	sec	[06:29]
ben_vulpes	ya plz, the log'd benefit.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/6m4Xf7Gw	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	it's there about 5x	[06:30]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/butterflylabs-raid-updated-fact-fud/	[06:30]
ben_vulpes	depends on assbot notion of time.	[06:30]
ben_vulpes	or whomevers.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	no, because a digest of your thing will be included in a block.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	so it becomes part of the blockchain notion of time, and verifyably so.	[06:31]
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ben_vulpes	digest of thing is related to time how?	[06:32]
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ben_vulpes	the point i'm making (poorly) is that the block is a nifty fundamental unit of time.	[06:34]
ben_vulpes	not terribly useful for measuring, say, stamina in bed	[06:34]
ben_vulpes	but adequate for pinning events to history.	[06:34]
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mircea_popescu	i usually last a coupla blocks...	[06:38]
mircea_popescu	digest of thing is related to time how? << by being a tx in a block	[06:39]
ben_vulpes	when did that block happen?	[06:40]
ben_vulpes	when it was found? broadcast? accepted by first node? achieved 51% acceptance?	[06:41]
ben_vulpes	even "time" must bow to the blockchain.	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	when it was mined yes.	[06:42]
ben_vulpes	whose clock?	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	the block's.	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	blocks include a timestamp.	[06:44]
ben_vulpes	A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you.	[06:44]
ben_vulpes	now, clearly, i'm not reading source right now.	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	these are block accepting rules. irrespective of this, all blocks contain a timestamp.	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	once a block is part of the blockchain, its timestamp as declared is part of the history of the world	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	and not disputable on lesser terms	[06:46]
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mircea_popescu	which for this purpose means, any other terms.	[06:46]
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ben_vulpes	i'm rolling my eyes so hard at you my head hurts	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	if block 322121says it's been mined on 2014-09-23 03:24:19, then that's what it is.	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	irrespective of how that time was arrived at.	[06:47]
ben_vulpes	that just means that the consensual time thing is poorly fucking engineered.	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[06:47]
Dimsler	yes	[06:47]
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mircea_popescu	it just means the previous, fiat approach to creating an arbitrary timeline has been replaced by a bitcoin, similarly arbitrary approach	[06:47]
mircea_popescu	which is just how it should be after all.	[06:48]
ben_vulpes	still, rolling eyes. the only important thing is which block the event confirmed in.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	right.	[06:48]
ben_vulpes	timestamp being an artifact of derps.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	and stamina in bed.	[06:48]
ben_vulpes	if you need precise time measures, watch an atom wobble. if you need "thing happened at time", measure it by block number.	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	sure, no dispute there.	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	my observation was that as long as you're implementing this, you're better off with the b-a registrar than with your "include block hash and sign"	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	because the include block hash only puts a minimum into the pie, not a maximum. the deeds registrar does both.	[06:49]
ben_vulpes	sure.	[06:50]
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ben_vulpes	registrar doth not confer time magically, though	[06:50]
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mircea_popescu	it does, in the sense of "block height"	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	and that is what time means anyway, entirely, as discussed above.	[06:51]
ben_vulpes	which supports my point of block interval as fundamental unit of time.	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	nolo contendere.	[06:51]
ben_vulpes	so long as we're on the same page.	[06:51]
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ben_vulpes	anyways, the butternut squash and ricotta gnocchi are up and i'm caught up on logs so meditate on what else beyond time bitcoin might break on its wheel y'all.	[06:53]
ben_vulpes	(and hey - what's Vexual doing on so early!?)	[06:54]
Vexual	thinking about relativity as allways	[06:54]
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Vexual	fuxking work drinks	[07:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9032 @ 0.00075238 = 6.7955 BTC [+] {2}	[07:05]
*	asciilifeform gets up for one1111!11 day and misses tehgoodstuff as usual	[07:12]
xmj	lol..	[07:13]
xmj	ben_vulpes: you're drunk right?	[07:13]
Vexual	don't ask that, hes the boss	[07:14]
asciilifeform	what's a work-drink ?	[07:14]
asciilifeform	sorta like what 'mentats' drink in 'dune' ?	[07:14]
Vexual	lol, perhaps	[07:15]
xmj	asciilifeform: work drink is when your boss forces you to have wine or beer during lunch, then watches how you work in the afternoon and fires your lazy ass in the evening.	[07:15]
xmj	that's "work drink"	[07:15]
Vexual	perhaps like a good cup of tea where nothing goes wrong asccii	[07:15]
asciilifeform	forces? with funnel ?	[07:16]
Vexual	oversight	[07:17]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform irc is a harsh but demanding mistress	[07:56]
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Vexual	bitch gave kakobrekla a sense of humour	[07:58]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[16:00]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[16:00]
pete_dushenski	this lends itself to continuity, stability, and other "good things" imo	[16:00]
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pete_dushenski	;;later tell asciilifeform thank you for recommending "the sultans" !	[16:01]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:01]
pete_dushenski	heya mircea_popescu	[16:02]
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mircea_popescu	heya	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	kdomanski: ;;seen genjix << win.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	JuliaTourianski_ ^ your friend amir lolz	[16:03]
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mircea_popescu	also wow, she's still connected off a freenode instance ? what the fuck industrial strength internet they have down at the russian bathhouse!	[16:03]
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pete_dushenski	lol russian bathhouse? thought she was in the 52nd state	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	well yes.	[16:04]
Azelphur	Is everyone still hating on genjix? XD	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur despising != hating.	[16:05]
Azelphur	ah	[16:05]
Azelphur	I always feel like the only person who actually likes him	[16:05]
pete_dushenski	JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it. << this is gold	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	punkman darknedgy ?! they're seriously running out.	[16:05]
pete_dushenski	Azelphur: nah see JuliaTourianski_ and you have that in common ;)	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	azzie and julie sittin' in a tree...	[16:06]
Azelphur	haha	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	k i s s i n taaki!	[16:06]
Azelphur	nicely done ;)	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	i am a master of the written worm.	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	i mean ford.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that's it, i am a master of the written ford.	[16:07]
Azelphur	but nah, I agree he was a terrible businessman, but then nobody should have put him in a business position anyway, he's a programmer	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	HE put himself in a business position	[16:07]
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mircea_popescu	by his idiotic if contemporaneously fashionable insistance on fluff and i can do anythingism,.	[16:07]
*	Azelphur shrugs	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	i told him to stfu and mind his own business like 3 times.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	for that matter nefario, too.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	but hey, kids know better and i am just hating their genius.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	!up andylau	[16:08]
-assbot-	You voiced andylau for 30 minutes.	[16:08]
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Azelphur	mircea_popescu: haha, over the years I've learned you're generally right about these things :P	[16:08]
Azelphur	I still don't think genjix should be discounted as a programmer though, he's a damned good one and that'd be one hell of a waste.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	too much cognitive dissonance to handle, 500 idiots keep telling them how special they are then mp says stfu and crochet.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	the human brain doesn't handle exceptions well	[16:09]
Azelphur	I suppose	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	either overweights or underweights them unduly.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	kinda well known psychology, this, hence the memory effect and all that.	[16:09]
pete_dushenski	Dimsler: i knew vitalik when he was in waterloo. buying bitcoins off me << lol!	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid: Sincerely don't know. << nobody EVER liked html email. and there's a pretty good argument that it's completely a tech misapplication, like the cigarette lighter oven.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	you don't need or want an oven to light your cigarette.	[16:11]
Azelphur	I've met taaki a couple times now	[16:11]
Azelphur	his family lives just around the corner from me	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	jurov: CheckDavid send him to verious btc conferences. At least you'll get rid of him for a time. << i like how practical jurov is. yeah, best move there.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	with any luck he'll be hired away from you and it's win-win.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	"Join the Freelancer Shareholder Foundation Program and get a discount on WSO listing fees"	[16:12]
Azelphur	speaking of hired, I'm doing good stuff at BitRecruiter, I wrote something that might be a good idea for MPEX actually, https://github.com/Azelphur/django-bcauth	[16:12]
assbot	Azelphur/django-bcauth GitHub	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	look at that, freelancer.com is spamming unregistered share sales offers!	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	which happens to be illegal.	[16:13]
*	mircea_popescu wonders if the SEC, ever so careful with these things, is yet investigating the underhanded practices of matt barrie &co	[16:13]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little. << on the moolah	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski: if no change, then it depends on how useful holding descendants accountable is. < no, i'm with him. this makes exactly zero sense, chiefly because a group may be ridiculous, impractical, suicidal, anything you wish, but never wrong. only individuals can be wrong, in that they don't subscribe to the moral scheme of some group they intend to be part of. ther	[16:17]
kakobrekla	http://imgur.com/a/4PyZK < wtf, so much overhead for 100kbits	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	e's no such thing as "evil group" possible.	[16:17]
assbot	Kialara - Imgur	[16:17]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: ancestors need not be a group or identify themselves as part of one	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	but you identified them as a group not as individuals.	[16:19]
pete_dushenski	ancestors can be individuals who spawned further individuals	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	only if you call the object through THAT constructor.	[16:19]
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pete_dushenski	you're right, i did, and now i'm exploiting the escape hatch in my own reasoning	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	if i say "b-a cannucks" i create one group, if i say " pete_dushenski, nubbins, [...]" i create a group with the same members, but through a different method, which makes it in fact a different group for this conversation.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:20]
pete_dushenski	lol ya	[16:21]
pete_dushenski	i shoulda been more spasifik!	[16:22]
mats_cd03	spoiler: CheckDavid is his own boss	[16:23]
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Dimsler	blah	[16:24]
Dimsler	9am	[16:24]
Dimsler	too early to be up	[16:24]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/20-difficulty-increase-before-2015/ << i like this bet. up, down, up. down...	[16:27]
assbot	BitBet - 20% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 9.39 B (60%) on Yes, 6.39 B (40%) on No \| closing in 2 months 1 week\| weight: 74`958 (100`000 to 1`000)	[16:27]
mats_cd03	;;bc,stats	[16:29]
gribble	Current Blocks: 322181 \| Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 \| Next Difficulty In: 378 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 39 minutes, and 23 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 34912851483.9 \| Estimated Percent Change: 17.04044	[16:29]
pete_dushenski	definitely a fun bet, that one!	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	it's perhaps the best display of the fundamental incalculability of bitcoin events.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	i mean go ahead and model it, quantize it, whatevs.	[16:32]
thestringpuller	Azelphur: that's neat	[16:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00074849 = 11.1899 BTC [-] {2}	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c drop me a line when back.	[16:36]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:36]
kakobrekla	i mean go ahead and model it, quantize it, whatevs. < done that! https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fshrani.si%2Ff%2F3l%2FOQ%2F2JCCgxKS%2Fcritpred3.png&t=544&c=KTeygwMIAwsIWw	[16:36]
kakobrekla	note that this was more of a fun play rather anything else	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	uh	[16:36]
kakobrekla	this is from feb 2013	[16:36]
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kakobrekla	the funny thing is - its not much off :)	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	lol!	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	also, as previously announced, the extra 2mn S.BBET shares were distributed to owners.	[16:39]
kakobrekla	ty	[16:39]
-CheckDavid-	voice pliz mizter	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	!up CheckDavid	[16:40]
-assbot-	You voiced CheckDavid for 30 minutes.	[16:40]
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mircea_popescu	http://shrani.si/f/3l/OQ/2JCCgxKS/critpred3.png << kako's link sanitized	[16:41]
pete_dushenski	JuliaTourianski_: ye toronto conf was dope actually << have you read http://contravex.com/2014/04/16/ex-post-toronto-bitcoin-expo/	[16:41]
assbot	Ex-Post: Toronto Bitcoin Expo \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla were the algos ever published ?	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	or mind extending it to today ?	[16:42]
kakobrekla	http://dpaste.com/2FMEVFQ.txt , http://dpaste.com/17R9F15.txt	[16:45]
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kakobrekla	or mind extending it to today ? < mebbe when i have more time	[16:46]
kakobrekla	this two were evolved after only a day or two iirc	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	danke	[16:47]
pete_dushenski	https://rushwallet.com/contest << i'm guessing they didn't use dicelists	[16:48]
assbot	Rushwallet \| Contest	[16:48]
pete_dushenski	"Up for grabs are 2 bitcoins hidden in 30 different brainwallets. Search for clues in the RushWallet Fundraiser video to unlock each wallet and claim the bitcoins. "	[16:48]
pete_dushenski	0.025 btc each wallet	[16:48]
pete_dushenski	not 2...	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.025 * 30	[16:49]
gribble	0.75	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[16:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4384 @ 0.00074975 = 3.2869 BTC [+]	[16:50]
mats_cd03	some of 'em have 0.05, 0.1, & 1.0 apparently.	[16:52]
pete_dushenski	a i c	[16:52]
CheckDavid	mircea_popescu: thanks for the input. In your perspective is there any value in HTML emails?	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[16:53]
CheckDavid	So you think it generally converts less right?	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	for one thing, most clients people actually use don't even render html.	[16:54]
CheckDavid	Most?	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	so you end up wit ha pile of cruft that just guarantees you rejected.	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[16:54]
thestringpuller	plaintext emails yo	[16:54]
thestringpuller	don't send html to niggas using mutt	[16:54]
CheckDavid	Most web clients do. And many desktop and.mobile clients do as well	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	most people doing anything worth the mention have been using email since before 2000.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	plenty since before 1990	[16:55]
CheckDavid	I just want to convince my boss to not use HTML	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	if you imagine they all moved to google because google, you're new here.	[16:55]
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mircea_popescu	sure, you can talk to the under 30 crowd on html email.	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	they don't make any decisions.	[16:55]
thestringpuller	except Zuckerberg	[16:55]
CheckDavid	Oh. So that's the deal?	[16:55]
*	bounce has a serious problem taking people seriously if they do stupid stuff like send html for no reason, or top-post, or any number of boneheaded things that the aol generation does with gay abandon	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	bounce i top post like a boss :D	[16:56]
thestringpuller	lol AOL is the one who introduced HTML mail?	[16:56]
CheckDavid	What about formatted text in emails?	[16:56]
CheckDavid	Like worrying about font	[16:56]
bounce	aol started the deluge	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	CheckDavid formatted means \| and > and such	[16:57]
bounce	72 cols fixed pitch is the standing assumption	[16:57]
CheckDavid	What is \| and > in this context?	[16:57]
bounce	"> " is the typical quote indicator, though it gets replaced or simply represented differently at times.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	\| and > are quotes	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3063483543243747@naggum.no.html << example use.	[16:59]
assbot	Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages) - Naggum cll archive	[16:59]
bounce	just like "-- " indicates the start of the signature, and a good mail client won't quote that. there's very few good mail clients in wide use these days.	[16:59]
thestringpuller	>> like vim?	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	anyway, dear all : i'll be taking a trip. see you all tomorrows!	[17:00]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu is away	[17:02]
thestringpuller	everyone act crazy	[17:02]
CheckDavid	I see mircea_popescu. So you saying formatting should be limited to that	[17:02]
CheckDavid	Bye :)	[17:02]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 56(Y):44(N) by coin, 55(Y):45(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.78041982 BTC. Current weight: 74,932.	[17:02]
kakobrekla	good luck mp	[17:03]
bounce	your search keyword of the day: "netiquette"	[17:03]

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