, but maybe that's because I write crawlers often
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trinque how is my link in my article not also nav
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trinque and so on; they're very poorly defined
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punkman trinque: quite, but still
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trinque I wouldn't want to take your crawler from you; I'd just prefer it were crawling structured data that is solely data
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punkman I'm also gonna hate you if your with a background
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trinque not mixed with presentation
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trinque point being your crawler wants facts not tag soup
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pete_dushenski i was suprised to see that neither BingoBoingo nor mircea_popescu mentioned a guideline for a space (or no space) after the last word in a sentence and any subsequent question/exclamation mark.
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: It's html, there is no second space. Browser enforces that unless you a a dick who adds a second  
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trinque punkman: to take this to the absurd extreme, imagine your crawler had to OCR an image of the web page
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo i use a space 90% of the time on contravex, but i've been even less consistent in qntra submissions.
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punkman trinque: I do that
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punkman :P
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BingoBoingo So before it gets to that debate you have to ask yourself "Am I that much of a pretentious dick" or am I going to trust the reading software to know.
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trinque well I mean, what one does to cope with a world of shit is forgivable
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: For a browser to care you actually have to use the special character to force the second space.
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pete_dushenski "Who said smartphones weren't useful ?" v. "(Run moar winbloze!™)" << though i seem to only use a question/exclamation mark once every 4-5 articles, so maybe not a big deal.
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo pretty sure you don't need second  ...
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pete_dushenski it's just... a space.
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: For a browser to care you do.
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trinque browser smashes multiple spaces to one
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trinque because reasons
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BingoBoingo ^
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pete_dushenski huh
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pete_dushenski l0l
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pete_dushenski well i'm quite happy to beleet the space then
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BingoBoingo Second space not only means nothing, it means less than nothing.
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pete_dushenski also, if anyone's looking for me, i'll be away this weekend sans internet. just a heads up
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pete_dushenski but if monday rolls around and you find my pgp sig on a mortgage and a !rate travispatron 10 bbf4lyf, i'm in a better place.
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pete_dushenski and in other news, contravex has a new header image. bask ye in all my white-suited, short-haired splendour.
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pete_dushenski (if you don't see it, try a page re-fresh)
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BingoBoingo Saw it. Imma sleep and do draft two of Qntra submission guidelines when I wake up taking in the feedback since the original publication and my waking.
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BingoBoingo http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c1264e78de574d869519f169d5a1a878/drug-company-offers-cheap-version-costly-turing-drug << Still overpriced scam.
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assbot Drug compounder offers cheap version of costly Turing drug ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnMd36 )
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punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRxbClfWIAAZIx8.png:large "Wondering how my botnet researcher friends feel like knowing that all botnets they took down w/ FBI ended up to TAO "
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assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnMliW )
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mircea_popescu Political TV punditry is like sports for the intellectual set. You get to keep track of who's on which team, who gets traded, who made what play last night...and none of it could possibly matter less to what actually makes the world go 'round. At least sports fans don't have the same delusion of their choice of entertainment "mattering".
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mircea_popescu like hell! real sports fans think the sport outcomes OBVIOUSLY MATTER. they just don't think they matter to anything in particular, but that's fine, neither does the punditry fan.
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pete_dushenski political punditry is for wine drinkers, sports is for beer drinkers
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mircea_popescu as long as they're both hfcs drinks all's good.
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pete_dushenski http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/10/22/george-washington-mules-and-donald-trump/comment-page-1/#comment-270616 << because trump IS more like george washington than you'd care to admit (where you admits zero likeness)
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assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » George Washington, Mules, and Donald Trump ... ( http://bit.ly/1jDurdJ )
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pete_dushenski http://jackbaruth.com/?p=3683#comment-48692 << not my comment, but hit the bullseye at the intersection of politics and sexual proclivities. bingoboingo might also like the topic (college bball)
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assbot This Just In: College Kids Like Sex (And So Does Rick Pitino) | Riverside Green ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnNPcW )
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mircea_popescu "Washington was a land developer, often described as the richest of his generation. By the end of the American Revolution, General Washington controlled about sixty thousand acres of land" << and there lies the debunk. it's true that george washington was well off. it's true he controlled some tens of k's of acres. it is UNTRUE that made him "richest in his generation".
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mircea_popescu acreage was ~1 dollar per. ONE YEAR of govt sales produced in excess of 1mn dollars during "normal" times and well over 10 mn during speculative bubbles.
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pete_dushenski mayhaps 'of politicians'
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mircea_popescu he certainly wasn't poor, but that's as far as that goes.
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mircea_popescu (at the time the 60k acres were perhaps worth a few k ounces of gold. maybe. for instance.)
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pete_dushenski i'm not sure what it is with americans imagining that their founding fathers lived in filth and squalour their entire lives.
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pete_dushenski as if that was the only true basis for their xtianity reborn
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pete_dushenski the americans at home are free to correct me here, tis just my impression from afar
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pete_dushenski i guess it could be the mistaken belief that 'men of the people are by definition the people incarnate and are therefore as average as anyone even though we remember only the names of the best of us and not those of the men who were truly average and truly of the people'
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trinque really depends on which americans.
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trinque I don't speak with many that'd be unaware they were well off.
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pete_dushenski heh watch it just be MY ignorance of us history.
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pete_dushenski though it's probably fair to say that anyone trinque associates with is an sd or two above the mean
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trinque I'm sure if I pulled one aside at Walmart and told him that Thomas Jefferson rewrote the bible, he'd spontaneously combust.
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mircea_popescu it was degrading to NOT be well off at the time.
[03:43 ]
pete_dushenski and now berlusconi's the devil incarante for having a few billions to his name. and sleeping with young girls !
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trinque in discussing this with a friend recently, I supposed that the founding fathers might never have dreamed that the lowest would end up included in the category of "people"
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trinque though I don't know what they thought would have prevented it
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mircea_popescu certainly many things fellows'd have never dreamed. like, anyone seriously discussing "animal rights", or industrial robots, take your pick
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pete_dushenski or man on the moon. or negro in the white house.
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mircea_popescu aye
[03:49 ]
mircea_popescu ", but Washington knew that he would profit mightily if independence was achieved."
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mircea_popescu this is utterly idiotic.
[03:52 ]
mircea_popescu for his entire lifetime, and very plainly predictably at that, the land in question would have been worth more under british rule.
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mircea_popescu i find this sort of rampant ignorance offensive.
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fluffypony lol BingoBoingo
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fluffypony it's not THAT bad :-P
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] IBM’s Watson is such an effective spoofbot that he makes me want to say “DPASTE, IRC AND FUCK YOU” - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/23/ibms-watson-is-such-an-effective-spoofbot-that-he-makes-me-want-to-say-dpaste-irc-and-fuck-you/
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adlai ;;seen jurov
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gribble jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 hours, 3 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: haha qntra got censored?
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adlai deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/19HFTMB.txt
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adlai tl;dr: "DAE STATJSON?"
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punkman dae?
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punkman ;;ud dae
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gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DAE | Dae. street slang for there. Man 1 - "Hey bruh, where did you put my keys? ... Dae is a brazilian expression like eaethat means hello or "how are you" the correct ...
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adlai "does anybody else"
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punkman https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9i8WqXLW451MTIyM2lqR1lpZ3M/view?pli=1
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assbot taco15_magic.pdf - Google Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1GuQVHL )
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mircea_popescu adlai dunno, just got one, looks normal.
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danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305849 << me too
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 05:29:59; pete_dushenski: if that's the rule, i'll abide, but if it's up for discussion, i'm in favour of the 'wrong.'
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danielpbarron and I don't get the space between the last word of a sentence and the punctuation
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danielpbarron although since seeing that practice in here, I've adopted it for use around the colon sometimes. Can't bring myself to do it with the period
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danielpbarron my personal rule with quotes and punctuation is that if it looks strange, there is probably a better way to form the sentence.
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danielpbarron and what about footnotes at the end of sentences? I think it looks better after the punctuation, even if that isn't "logical"
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punkman http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/23/uk-indonesia-haze-idUKKCN0SH0QQ20151023
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punkman http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-34600544 lol
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assbot China golf: Communist Party bans club membership - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NXImrT )
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PeterL BingoBoingo: I like the style guide you made. I am kinda surprised people were submitting MS turds.
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PeterL BingoBoingo: format criteria 3: Web or Trust s/or/of
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PeterL same paragraph "... sources will be replaced a published ..."
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 04:45:23; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No one yet, but I suspect someone is going to scan a document and think "this format is old enough:
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PeterL what more would you need than
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PeterL I guess you want to use too?
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PeterL Now that QNTRA is a year old, is there any plan to explore revenue generation?
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HeySteve http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305593 < that BANX has no credible revenue model was half the point
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assbot Logged on 22-10-2015 21:58:37; mircea_popescu: i can't from that piece discern what is supposed to be the revenue model of the banx thing.
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PeterL or it says something about the uselessness of banner ads?
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HeySteve http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305598 < scalable means up to 10,000 TPS, fast means ~5 second confirms, flexible means you can create all kinds of financial instruments (like integrating BANX or creating market-pegged assets)
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assbot Logged on 22-10-2015 22:00:43; mircea_popescu: "And yes, it'll be a damn shame if this backfires on BitShares. Their technology is extremely scalable, blazingly fast and impressively flexible on the backend."
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HeySteve http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305601 < out of BanxCapital's operations, imaginary or otherwise, which I listed in detail
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assbot Logged on 22-10-2015 22:01:20; mircea_popescu: "BANX represents a thus far dividend-paying investment in BanxCapital," << dividends out of what ?
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HeySteve as for the rest, mircea_popescu, you may dismiss everything that isn't Bitcoin 0.5 as a scam but I do not take this view without evidence
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shinohai https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/announcing-the-blockchain-alliance-t1601.html#p3635 <<< I scare satoshi off by announcing I think it's a good idea to talk to the cia, FF to 2015 and I still lurve LE's
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asciilifeform http://blockchainalliance.org << lulzy, secret pit for stoolies
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asciilifeform (from shinohai's link)
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shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3por1c/is_there_really_any_hope/cw86clr <<< Ethereum lulz
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shinohai "If this is a scam, I want to be scammed more." <<< careful what you wish!
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funkenstein_ HeySteve, I think the claim is not that newer codes are scam, but that they add little of value compared to their weight in cruft
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funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305287 <-- oh hey, happy birthday!
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assbot Logged on 22-10-2015 15:30:34; mod6: The Bitcoin Foundation is one year old today. Happy Birthday!
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funkenstein_ look at that, same day that my testnet project was born
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funkenstein_ re: xxxotica, the name sound like made for derps, and advertised to start at 8pm. iirc restaurants down there don't open until after that - for lunch
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shinohai Happy birfday to your testnet project then funkenstein_
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funkenstein_ shinohai, thank you :)
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shinohai I have yet to see said project though, is it public?
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funkenstein_ yeah, it's called woodcoin
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funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2015#1052867
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assbot Logged on 14-03-2015 08:36:48; mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831003.0 << look, a scamcoin that's not totally retarded from the get-go.
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shinohai LOL so it has a sort-of mircea_popescu blessing.
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funkenstein_ :) I will continue work to deserve such an endorsement
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shinohai I'm not big on many altcoins, but +1 for not generating a bzillion coins for an "IPO"
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funkenstein_ hey thanks. my goal has been to learn something. the testnet chumpatron market looks oversaturated.
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mircea_popescu so dumbass eulora db server found a whole new way to fuckup. jesus fuck i love contemporaneity.
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mircea_popescu and I don't get the space between the last word of a sentence and the punctuation << the wut ?! [12:31 ]
mircea_popescu all trilema says was, do it like this "the end. the begining" rather than "the end. the begining"
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mircea_popescu and it's only there because tlp does the double space thing to my great annoyance.
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PeterL but don't you do "the end . the beginning" on trilemma?
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Zuardi thanks, I am starting to gather wot rates, maybe I'll be able to voice myself soon :P
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mircea_popescu Now that QNTRA is a year old, is there any plan to explore revenue generation? << notrly. the plan is to explore a way to get more people to write better. [12:33 ]
PeterL Or is that only with question marks?
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mircea_popescu PeterL i space question marks but that's really my mental problem, nobody else.
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Zuardi oh, I see, I need to do the same thing on assbot as well
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mircea_popescu Zuardi just submit key.
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Zuardi mircea_popescu I think i did that, let me double check
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shinohai Zuardi: has a key, just no rating
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mircea_popescu !rate Zuardi 1 hey, he thinks he did that!
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Zuardi :)
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mircea_popescu as for the rest, mircea_popescu, you may dismiss everything that isn't Bitcoin 0.5 as a scam but I do not take this view without evidence << but note that none of that is in any sense what i said. [12:39 ]
mircea_popescu the problem of your thing was its form, not its content. i couldn't even get to the content.
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mircea_popescu take a very simple metric : you say " that BANX has no credible revenue model was half the point" but at no point, and especially not at the right point, was the plain statement "BANX has no revenue model" to be found.
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mircea_popescu http://blockchainalliance.org << lulzy, secret pit for stoolies << not so secret really, it was supposed to be a backup scam foundation just in case. [12:42 ]
assbot Blockchain Alliance ... ( http://bit.ly/1i0v5jQ )
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PeterL pete_dushenski: Your blog pic is nice, but you should switch to a double-winger tie, the single winger looks weak
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell gavin_andersen the reference for your "there's always been" is http://trilema.com/2012/the-politics-of-bitcoin/ fucktard.
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mircea_popescu that's all there's been.
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pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/23/ibms-watson-is-such-an-effective-spoofbot-that-he-makes-me-want-to-say-dpaste-irc-and-fuck-you/ << for any and all email header experts in the audience.
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assbot IBM’s Watson is such an effective spoofbot that he makes me want to say “DPASTE, IRC AND FUCK YOU” | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1kzRJBx )
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mircea_popescu "If this is a scam, I want to be scammed more." <<< careful what you wish! << no, it's exact. and he'll get it too. [12:44 ]
pete_dushenski PeterL double winger as in bowtiw ?
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pete_dushenski bowtie*
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PeterL no, just another loop in the necktie to make it more symmetrical
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mircea_popescu re: xxxotica, the name sound like made for derps, and advertised to start at 8pm. iirc restaurants down there don't open until after that - for lunch << there isn't a bunchy of these things to pick one from. this was THE ONLY THING HAPPENING THAT DAY IN THE WHOLE 12 MILLION STRONG "CITY" [12:45 ]
mircea_popescu aka "rural settlement". fucking san bernardino or somesuch.
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Zuardi !rate mircea_popescu 1 some kind of bitcoin legend, I am still figuring it out, probably a good person
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funkenstein_ lol :)
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funkenstein_ could try one of these https://www.goabase.net/parties.php?country=Argentina
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assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KtRhcV )
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pete_dushenski PeterL aha. not a bad idea at all.
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mircea_popescu funkenstein_ "PATAGONIA FESTIVAL 2016 FEB. AUSTRAL CELEBRATION PSYCHEDELLIC
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mircea_popescu who is coming? 2 El Chalten Patagonia. Santa Cruz"
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mircea_popescu i wonder if you realise how far away that is, in hundreds of marine miles.
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mircea_popescu also, fucking raves ?
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pete_dushenski is funkenstein_ 24yo ?
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funkenstein_ perhaps forced to stay home and write more articles for us? :D
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HeySteve mircea_popescu, "no revenue model" is an easy change. the goal was to systematically dispell the smoke and mirrors around BANX and influence BTS to avoid it.
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HeySteve so perhaps too many words and perhaps overly kind to BTS, although I do believe their technology is good.
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mircea_popescu why is this not getting through tho ?
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mircea_popescu not many words, bad words. not overly kind to x. bad form. bad structure.
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shinohai "purveyor of surveillance appliances for the multitudes" <<< great Microsoft descriptor pete_dushenski
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mircea_popescu is that meaningless to you or what's the problem ?
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mircea_popescu jurov no one is even buying the bitbet spot.. says something about bitcoin economy << or about advertising.
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pete_dushenski shinohai cheers !
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shinohai I do wonder why there is a picture of Dr. Stu Price on your blog now though.
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shinohai j/k
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HeySteve mircea_popescu, the problem is I spent 5 fucking days researching BANX and interviewing Lyford so that fewer suckers would be scammed
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mircea_popescu this part is fine.
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HeySteve now that time is wasted because arbitrary stylistic reasons which I was never informed of
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mircea_popescu the part that isn't fine is what you made with the results. list, for public benefit, the things you found in these 5 days.
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mircea_popescu it is not a matter of arbitrary stylistic reasons.
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HeySteve 36 ref flags showing that it's a scam (not sure if those are in the version you saw)
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HeySteve red*
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mircea_popescu not "36 red flags".
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mircea_popescu 1. X
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mircea_popescu 2. Y
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mircea_popescu 3. Z
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mircea_popescu and you'd better get to 36, because if you don't you have a serious problem to contemplate.
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HeySteve well ok, 1. the ICO was sustained for a year+ because it didn't raise the projected revenue
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HeySteve 2. the business plan which drew in investors has been changed
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HeySteve 3. the hardforks with another one coming as soon as this weekend
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mircea_popescu that problem being... did you just MAKE UP A NUMBER ? in a discussion about an article that you submitted which was rejected for being very poorly written, which you wish to interpret as political, or stylistical, or anything but what the actual problem is ?
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Zuardi hooray
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HeySteve no I didn't make up a number, I covered all the data and tallied the red flags as I went
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mircea_popescu and they're 36 ?
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HeySteve yes 36, not that I'm an expert in spotting scams but it seems clear this is a company to be avoided
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mircea_popescu well, so why was your piece not titled "36 red flags... you can take these to the Banx" ?
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mircea_popescu not that this specific FORM is required, but do you follow the LOGIC involved ?
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mircea_popescu i have to dig it out of you with irons that "hey, i researched this for five days, there's three dozen wrong things" ? why, because you hate the world ?
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HeySteve it was originally titled: BanxShares: BitAsset or BitLiability?
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mircea_popescu here's how a qntrable 2 would look : "The original business plan said "X, Y and Z" in relevant part, and it attracted ~10 BTC. Then it was changed to "nonY and cvasi Z no mention of X" leaving the original investors hanging.
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mircea_popescu here's how a qntrable 3 would look : the first hardfork occured on x date, y days after launch, and did z. the second x' y' did z'. the third etc. and now coming soo nthe nth, doing etc"
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Zuardi !rate felipelalli 1 the guy is trying to bring facebook people into the light, helps brazilians with otc at #bitcoin-bra
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mircea_popescu o you know felipelalli ?
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Zuardi mircea_popescu not irl, only online, we have an ex-coworker in common at facebook
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mircea_popescu aok
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mircea_popescu bbl.
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HeySteve well, I've accepted a freelance writing contract for this weekend so I can't make any immediate changes. if someone is interested in editing it, I think it's worth doing before Banx assumes its next form
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felipelalli Zuardi, who is him? I didn't know that.
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Zuardi felipelalli Jampa
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felipalla Porque no estoy "alli" sino "alla"
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felipelalli why?
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felipelalli hahah
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felipelalli Zuardi, Jampa didn't work with me. I guess we know each other while we both were subscribed to "radinho de pilha" then "webees" email list.
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Zuardi felipelalli ok
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felipelalli Zuardi, you are so new in OTC WoT, where did you heard about #ba?
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Zuardi felipelalli somehow recently I ended up on trilema, link of link of a link
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felipelalli so, you reach the right place
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Zuardi looks like it, yes :)
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shinohai It's like Cosa Nostra, but instead of burning Saint cards we burn reddit accounts.
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felipelalli Also the "gang noise™", "turminha do barulho".
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kakobrekla for qntra mebbe http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=170305&pageIndex=0&doclang=en&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=604079
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ascii_field ;;later tell jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source << appears to be dead
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ascii_field so, what, i have to keep my own ?
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ascii_field wtf is the point of foundation then.
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ascii_field ;;later tell mod6 do you think we could have a http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source but one that 1) works and 2) follows the latest leaf vnodes ?
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mod6 oh, i didn't know that one was down. jurov any thoughts on that?
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jurov no idea, must check the server
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mod6 ascii_field: yeah following the leafs would be ideal.
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mod6 thanks jurov
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ascii_field mod6: also doxygen, contrary to my first thoughts, is 100% worthless
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ascii_field because i can't link to individual lines of code there.
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mod6 ah, alrighty. will mark with 'X' for removal.
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ascii_field all of this is because i wanted to show funkenstein why his patch is catastrophically mistaken
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ascii_field (it is)
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mod6 thanks for taking a close look at that, much appreciated.
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ascii_field but now it will have to wait, until i can link to lines of code.
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ascii_field mod6: i have a half-written one but it is no good
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ascii_field (and i've no time to make a proper job of it)
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ascii_field thing is, this is harder than it appears
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ascii_field because links have to be aware of version
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ascii_field (or they will turn into nonsense with every new patch)
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mod6 ah, ok for the meantime we'll just get lxr back up and going... we'll just need to be quick on the update for authorized/btcf signed leafs
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ascii_field cool
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pete_dushenski https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/10/22/espn-layoffs-will-gut-the-networks-production-staff/ << o hey traditional media is thriving donchaknow
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assbot ESPN layoffs will gut the network’s production staff - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGzw1P )
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pete_dushenski because competing with gawker for worthless eyeballs means that YOU'RE WORTHLESS TOO
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pete_dushenski "Our 36 years of continuous growth and success has been driven by our consistent willingness to reimagine our future" << heh
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PeterL kakobrekla: your link says bitcoin transactions are VAT exempt?
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kakobrekla No VAT on bitcoin or bitcoin exchange fees in the EU.
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jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/ back online, i have riced postgres and it ran out of memory
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jurov http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source still has error cached, should be 15 mins
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jurov mod6 or whoever - if you can produce one version from V per directory, it's trivial to add to lxr
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danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306075 << like how you and others put a space before a question mark
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 15:30:24; mircea_popescu: and I don't get the space between the last word of a sentence and the punctuation << the wut ?!
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pete_dushenski danielpbarron i'm with you there
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mod6 jurov: per directory?
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danielpbarron http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306088 << i would always remove the space when bashing lines on twitter. Same thing when quoting asciilifeform; I'd change his single quotes into double quotes
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 15:34:43; mircea_popescu: PeterL i space question marks but that's really my mental problem, nobody else.
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mod6 so with V, you can use a command called "press" that will patch up through a given HEAD.
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jurov that's easiest to plug in. alternatively, there is git support
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mod6 and "press" will output this automatic patching process to an output directory. I could bundle that up and send it to you if that's what you mean?
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jurov anyway, i don't have any idea how you want it to be laid out. lxr's idea of versions is just a flat list.
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mod6 yeah, ok. let me just press something together and send it to you so you can see.
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ascii_field jurov: thing is, every time a new patch comes to exist, this is a new version.
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ascii_field and, ideally, eventually we will have a thing that eats'em in real time and doesn't need human hands to update
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ascii_field (i write a patch, sign it, throw in the hopper, everyone who has my name ticked - sees a tree with that patch applied. but OLD LINKS MUST CONTINUE TO WORK)
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305992 << >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1176000
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 09:44:14; punkman: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9i8WqXLW451MTIyM2lqR1lpZ3M/view?pli=1
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assbot Logged on 25-06-2015 05:53:02; asciilifeform: not to mention the 'wriggleysgumizations' introduced by the shrinkage
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ascii_field the mega-vlsi of recent years was bought with the price of 'don't expect to run this chip for more than a few years'
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ascii_field what? your computer is from 2007 and you expect to use it a decade from now? terrorist!
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pete_dushenski "Alphabet beat earnings estimates by 14 cents with Q3 profit of $7.20 a share. Advertising revenue on its Google sites pushed sales to rise 13% to $18.68 billion." << stock +9% today
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305946 << a good chunk of what he owned was nearly-worthless swampland. which he pawned off on the new government, and it became... modern washington, d.c.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 06:33:53; mircea_popescu: "Washington was a land developer, often described as the richest of his generation. By the end of the American Revolution, General Washington controlled about sixty thousand acres of land" << and there lies the debunk. it's true that george washington was well off. it's true he controlled some tens of k's of acres. it is UNTRUE that made him "richest in his generation".
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305949 << w's plantation is preserved to this day. museum. i've been there. 'not poor' does not begin to describe it.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 06:35:14; mircea_popescu: he certainly wasn't poor, but that's as far as that goes.
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305935 << a clever crapware writer does not create bots vulnerable to hijacking or to the destruction of hardcoded c&c server(s).
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 06:09:04; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRxbClfWIAAZIx8.png:large "Wondering how my botnet researcher friends feel like knowing that all botnets they took down w/ FBI ended up to TAO "
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ascii_field rsa exists.
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305838 << if it's 'chocolate' made in a nato country, it tastes like shit.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 05:19:47; BingoBoingo: For a while Hershey was advertising that shit as chocolate... since the ruling they just don't sell chocolate now, just "chocolate product"
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ascii_field why the orc world has not cottoned on to the fraud, is unknown to me
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ascii_field but ru/ua confections remain edible. for now.
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pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/29/the-shoe-shine-kids-great-grandson-and-creme-eggs/ << re chocolate ain't what she used to be
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assbot The shoe-shine kid’s great-grandson. And creme eggs. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1kA8A7e )
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ascii_field pete_dushenski: nato chocolate has sucked donkey arse for as long as i've been alive, afaik
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ascii_field if not longer.
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ascii_field see, if this were, e.g., ww1 germany, and we were grinding up acorns and making 'coffee' from this, it would make some kind of sense - because british naval blockade.
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ascii_field but why this?
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pete_dushenski economics.
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ascii_field more specifically?
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pete_dushenski which is really the same situation as ww1 germany, you could have coffee at SOME price, just not one that anyone but the chancellor can afford.
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ascii_field i suppose they picked between soy oil and 'add a zero to the price'
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pete_dushenski same story today. chocolate exists, but only at $maxint
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ascii_field thing is, it is necessary to explain why i can get ru chocolate (and without breaking a sweat, really) at some mere 3x
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pete_dushenski ascii_field pretty much that. and lose 'market share' instantly to those who don't add zero
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punkman pete_dushenski: real chocolate is still cheap enough
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ascii_field ^
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pete_dushenski cheap enough =! cheap
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pete_dushenski 1/3 cost is 1/3 cost
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pete_dushenski and disproportionately more customers are to be had at 1/3 cost. non-linear effect.
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pete_dushenski as long a the goal of 'chocolatiers' is more people, that's what they'll get
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thestringpuller this is why godiva's are only in rich malls
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ascii_field anyway it remains simple to get actual chocolate, at least near major urban centers in usa (where ru immigrants live.) but as an ~ingredient~ it has become very scarce. i've largely given up on ice cream, for instance.
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jurov got v.pl working.. now you want the poor listbox in lxr to show *all* patches ever?
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thestringpuller ascii_field: you gotta find a local chocolatier, the one near my house has access to "real chocolate"
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thestringpuller expensive but it's worth the money
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jurov er. combobox
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jurov or leafs or ?
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punkman I can get belgian slabs for 10-15eur/kilo from a local bakery
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jurov ascii_field: ^
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punkman but nothing of the sort to be found anywhere else
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ascii_field punkman: you can get plutonium slabs, sure. i was speaking of ice cream
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ascii_field go and find an ice cream shop which uses it!
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punkman I did!
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ascii_field neato
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punkman found random hole in the wall ice cream maker this summer
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ascii_field jurov: for now let's have the ones i've signed ?
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ascii_field just the leaves
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punkman and he's 24/7 too because he works all night
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jurov there are only two: asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option.vpatch asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch , right?
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ascii_field jurov: right
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306117 << imho the very concept of a public sex club is inherently derpatronic.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 15:44:20; mircea_popescu: re: xxxotica, the name sound like made for derps, and advertised to start at 8pm. iirc restaurants down there don't open until after that - for lunch << there isn't a bunchy of these things to pick one from. this was THE ONLY THING HAPPENING THAT DAY IN THE WHOLE 12 MILLION STRONG "CITY"
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ascii_field (the people who think they need this, are the ones you least want to meet. almost by definition.)
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ascii_field but then again i don't go in for consorting with strangers at all, so nobody-asked-me (tm)
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306139 << advertising has no future in a sane world. but has anyone invented even a hypothetical profit model for qntra that doesn't in some way involve it? i've been wondering this since the day q opened
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 15:53:41; mircea_popescu: jurov no one is even buying the bitbet spot.. says something about bitcoin economy << or about advertising.
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punkman subscription/paywall
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thestringpuller ^^^^
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ascii_field that'll be when i stop reading.
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thestringpuller ascii_field: do you subscribe to any magazines (even if they're comic books)?
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ascii_field and i don't think i am alone among thinking people in this position on paywalls.
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jurov lxr down again.. prolly must drop db and reindex everything, will be a while
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ascii_field thestringpuller: no.
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ascii_field thestringpuller: never have.
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thestringpuller do you buy books?
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ascii_field thestringpuller: by the tonne
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punkman qntra quarterly print issue?
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thestringpuller ^^^
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ascii_field thestringpuller: thing is, i only buy books because reading on electronic machines is unpleasant (and before anyone asks, i own a dozen or so different types)
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thestringpuller ascii_field: there has to be something Qntra could publish you would be willing to purchase
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ascii_field doubtful
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jurov mugs and tees!
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ascii_field because a thing like qntra works at least partly by being linkable
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ascii_field 'if i can't link someone to it, it isn't part of the conversation' or how did it go.
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thestringpuller jurov: this is good point. XKCD is profitable because of it's merch store
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ascii_field notice that when we discuss books, i eventually end up linking a w4r3z copy here.
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ascii_field whenever such exists in english.
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ascii_field because if i can't link to it, it doesn't rightfully exist
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ascii_field for the purpose of the convo.
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thestringpuller ^- you do this with XKCD and they make money without ads, so something is going on here.
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thestringpuller iirc "What If?" (munroe's book) did quite well. i had a dream about a Qntra book.
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ascii_field i have nfi how much it makes
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thestringpuller enough that he doesn't have to get a "real job" and can subsidize gf's medical bills
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ascii_field thestringpuller: the one thing that always bugged me about r. munroe is his eagerness to play to the reddit/derp crowd
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thestringpuller ascii_field: they are easy to separate from their dollars
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ascii_field whereas ~thinking~ btc folks are not easily separable from their btc.
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thestringpuller this is why thinkgeek is still around a decade later, yet they sell nothing but "tyos"
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ascii_field it also helps to remember that 'nobody pays for sunlight'
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thestringpuller people pay for information.
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ascii_field really?
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thestringpuller isn't this how mob bosses do business?
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ascii_field i've no idea. ask mircea_popescu perhaps.
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thestringpuller me either. qntra isn't a webcomic so I don't expect it to monetize as such. but the webcomics have held their own.
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punkman weekly qntra comic strip would be fun if BB can find an artist
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ascii_field i really can't fathom how qntra could turn a profit any more than therealbitcoin could
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ascii_field but perhaps i'm thick
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thestringpuller or just one of the anchors, a necessary component.
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ascii_field afaik every single webcomic that actually pays somebody's rent is produced by a charismatic reddit-panderer
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thestringpuller penny arcade is pre-reddit
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thestringpuller dunno whatever happened to ctrl-alt-del
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thestringpuller oh wow cad-comic is still around and they have a physical publisher now and an ongoing?
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thestringpuller impressive
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306184 << there's absolutely no rush.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 16:11:41; HeySteve: well, I've accepted a freelance writing contract for this weekend so I can't make any immediate changes. if someone is interested in editing it, I think it's worth doing before Banx assumes its next form
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mircea_popescu moroever, if your five days of research can just be dreamed up by the next guy, you've not done any actual research.
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306200 << word.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 16:33:53; kakobrekla: for qntra mebbe http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&docid=170305&pageIndex=0&doclang=en&mode=req&dir=&occ=first&part=1&cid=604079
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306217 << the solution to this may actually be trivial. there's a snippet of javascript i stole off the archive.is guy, it's now on trilema, alloows for this. see http://trilema.com/2015/that-spiffy-selection-thing/
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 16:45:38; ascii_field: because i can't link to individual lines of code there.
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assbot That spiffy selection thing. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZbjX6 )
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: not trivial. see thread. it has to not break when new patches appear!
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ascii_field so it is not simply a matter of highlighting text on a www page.
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mircea_popescu that's a different problem. but merely the "individual lines of a page" part of it
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mircea_popescu yea
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mircea_popescu of course the other problem in question may actually be one of those "ensconced rock" type of things, ie, we've not fully conceptualized the implications.
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mircea_popescu specifically : does this actually need to make a "line of code" a graph node ?
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ascii_field it does.
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mircea_popescu well this actually changes everything... should we be saving directly asts ?
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mircea_popescu "line of code" is about as meaningful as "nice butt"
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ascii_field no, because it is pointless to save something that can be re-derived.
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mircea_popescu but derived from what, a line of code is just a meaningless string
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ascii_field derived from the patch set.
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mircea_popescu same "line of code" can be on three lines.
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ascii_field well yes, which is why a link has to encode ~which~ point in the patchspace it links to.
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ascii_field not merely 'file.cpp line#xxxx'
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mircea_popescu but see, you wish to link to "lines of code" except these are lower than the minimal granularity ; they only catch meaning after the ast was derived from the whole program
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mircea_popescu ie you may be asking for a .1 reference in a 1 metric space.
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ascii_field well, more concretely, today i wanted to link to one of the places where funkenstein introduced a mistake
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mircea_popescu but if you're not happy with the mere "meaningless line" as seen i ntrilema selection
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mircea_popescu and want actual meaningful LINE, that's complex suddenly
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ascii_field in order to do this, there would have to be a www widget that displays the tree he patched against. and will continue to do so a year from now.
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mircea_popescu no listen, i understand what you want
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mircea_popescu im just not sure we understand what you want MEANS
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ascii_field 9cbe118c362dca5f4e340519d3ad48e79a1ef896f2fe297a3481067e8a3c0c1fdd6c09fe251918358e67bc90aa884f952454c051ddfca06f334ce359aadd688a#xxxxx where xxxxx is the line
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ascii_field is all i need for this.
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mircea_popescu how is immutability provided ?
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ascii_field thinkaboutit
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ascii_field that hash is never going away.
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mircea_popescu but what is it a hash of ? the whole file ?
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ascii_field it will always be possible to produce the file having it, by walking the chain
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ascii_field see his patch, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-October/000172.html
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assbot [BTC-dev] chuck_checkpoints vpatch submission ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9GS2c )
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ascii_field it is the vhash (sha512) of his output's main.cpp
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ascii_field ~this~ is how immutability works in v
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mircea_popescu no you're right... so basically each line needs a # in front of it, which should link to that... hmmm...
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ascii_field really needs a wwwtronic thing that takes a vhash in the url and a line num.
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mircea_popescu how about what you want is a # in front of each file, linked to [path]/filename#hash
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ascii_field and then colorizes
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mircea_popescu where hash = sha521 (whole file + line index)
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ascii_field ugh why this extra garbage
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mircea_popescu so you can use the url structure.
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ascii_field just display the file having that hash, and have the js wind to the correct line
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mircea_popescu hm
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ascii_field i don't need a 100MB pile of shit in my browser, ty
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mircea_popescu so you want the www server to see [path]/hash/ and spit out the right file ?
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ascii_field aha
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mircea_popescu i suppose this will need a xreference db
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ascii_field i actually had this working in my unpublished v-wwwtron
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ascii_field didn't need a db either
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mircea_popescu so if it's working publish it
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ascii_field just used 'o' knob on my 'v'
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ascii_field (find-origin)
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mircea_popescu ah www server also runs v right
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: there were a bunch of important things which did not work.
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mircea_popescu so ?
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ascii_field and i now consider mod6's gadget to have superseded mine.
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mircea_popescu which is wjhy you break it open publish the parts that work
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ascii_field atm i desperately lack the time to do anything useful with this.
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mircea_popescu looky, there's sometrhing dysfiunctional in this process of "i want this thing, and i want it to work exactly like this thing i made, that i'm not publishing". what is this, tru love mating ?
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: all the useful, correct parts, were published, they are in the 'v' article on your www.
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mircea_popescu i guess i missed this mechaqnism in there then
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ascii_field grep for 'origin'
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mircea_popescu brb
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mircea_popescu right.
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mircea_popescu course callouts from www to python will have to be supported.
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306235 << either that or cheap imports, whichever.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 16:53:18; pete_dushenski: "Our 36 years of continuous growth and success has been driven by our consistent willingness to reimagine our future" << heh
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: or integrate whole thing into a pythonatronic www thing, a la phuctor
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pete_dushenski "After laying off more than 300 workers, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey is trying to lift the spirits of the remaining employees by giving them 6.8 million shares of the stock he owns in the online messaging service." << so noble of jack to take a tax write-off on these shares before their value plummets to zero.
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mircea_popescu ascii_field i was thinking about this, there's no way to avoid a v dependency anyway, in principle. so it will have to be a python www anyway
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pete_dushenski in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfxUt9UM0nc
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assbot Goat Babies in Pajamas! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9IgSg )
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski check you out, you're actually understanding how rich world works.
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pete_dushenski better to understand that part of the world now than after i'm already there
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mircea_popescu why the fuck does google even have an "alphabet" parent, since we're discussing these things ? doth qntra know?
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306268 << a) they wanted to make him king. yes, that';s right, king. the guy declined ; b) wash dc wasn't even his fucking idea.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 17:39:42; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305946 << a good chunk of what he owned was nearly-worthless swampland. which he pawned off on the new government, and it became... modern washington, d.c.
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306270 << it does. go see how fugger lived, about the same time.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 17:41:00; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305949 << w's plantation is preserved to this day. museum. i've been there. 'not poor' does not begin to describe it.
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu alphabet would seem to be a tax mitigation strategy from this angle, but maybe it's one of those libtard jokes gone wrong, like 'czar'
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306275 << naw, i've had perfectly fine swiss, belgian etc. you just gotta not buy the murican crap
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 17:44:47; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1305838 << if it's 'chocolate' made in a nato country, it tastes like shit.
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski just saying, a dossier on all the ways alphabet mitigates tax is definitely a qntra worthy research project for the actuarialy inclined.
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pete_dushenski whoddathunk that the meta-nsa would only be meta... in name
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jurov so far it looks like this: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/?!v=asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected
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pete_dushenski "we're like the nsa, fbi, cia alphabet agencies, but better !"
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assbot Satoshi asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected/src/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1W9J7T5 )
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu indeed it would be
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306291 << lightweight. i get argentinian chocolate at $20 a lb.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 17:49:30; ascii_field: thing is, it is necessary to explain why i can get ru chocolate (and without breaking a sweat, really) at some mere 3x
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mircea_popescu HAND MADE.
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mircea_popescu (tru story : doctor's visit. "why do my knees hurt me doc ?" "oxalates" "what do i do ?" "no more chocolate" "OMGWTFBBQ".)
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mircea_popescu be thankful for the hershey you have.
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ascii_field ew
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ascii_field for some reason, even before the oil thing, 'hershey' is associated with diarrhea in my mind
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ascii_field possibly from usenes, alt.tasteless, but not 100% certain why.
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ascii_field *usenet
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306312 << you've just been spoiled srsly.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 17:53:24; ascii_field: go and find an ice cream shop which uses it!
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mircea_popescu they also don't put chunks of mango in the mango icecream i bet. you knolw ?
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ascii_field http://now8news.com/jimmy-dean-sausage-in-walmart-bathroom << related.
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306321 << what';s the alternative, incest ?
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 17:55:57; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306117 << imho the very concept of a public sex club is inherently derpatronic.
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mircea_popescu sex is by its design the one, the first, the best public matter.
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ascii_field 'When they did, female officers entered the restroom with Johnson still “putting in work with the sausage.”'
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mircea_popescu "Shocked, and also frightened for his safety due to the fact that Johnson is a “big girl,” the 140 pound security guard said he ran out until police arrived. When they did, female officers entered the restroom with Johnson still “putting in work with the sausage.”"
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mircea_popescu makes sense in all the ways.
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306325 << trilema is for instance making decent money on subscription model. this is not to be discounted. also, no press IN THE HISTORY of press has EVER made money. not ever. it didn't happen (yes there are exceptions, in particular, temporary, self limited nooks). this never stopped the press from being WORTH money, which it always was.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 17:58:38; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306139 << advertising has no future in a sane world. but has anyone invented even a hypothetical profit model for qntra that doesn't in some way involve it? i've been wondering this since the day q opened
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306330 << this is how you got shitty icecream and a swamp to live in. don't let me stop you.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 18:00:09; ascii_field: that'll be when i stop reading.
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: '...this never stopped the press from being WORTH money, which it always was' << how does this work ?
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mircea_popescu i don't explain 'em mr seinfeld, i just exterminate 'em.
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ascii_field can't be explained? must take the correct lsd ?
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mircea_popescu so far, gutting the pretense of "press" of the oposition, that DOES advertise, is good enough.
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ascii_field 'spreading - works!'
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mircea_popescu how much money does the pet earn you ascii_field ? and what P/E do i need to pay to buy her ?
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ascii_field this is not a bad question
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mircea_popescu p/e works for some things.
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ascii_field but it difficult to answer. how much money does my car earn ?
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mircea_popescu well so there you go!
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mircea_popescu note however that this was not an explanation,
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ascii_field but it was correct lsd.
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mircea_popescu i just gave you some lsd (by permission) in the shape of serotonin or whatever you fired in your own brain.
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mircea_popescu aha.
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ascii_field aha. ty mircea_popescu
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mircea_popescu lol
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mircea_popescu ascii fieldtrips
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pete_dushenski to the zoo !
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ascii_field 'would you, could you, in the zoo' (tm) (r)
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pete_dushenski 'even educated fleas do it' (tm) (r)
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306332 << and if you were to be against gpg, or against signed commits, or against "not everyone is/can be a contriobutor" or for "women in tech" in the sense of lipstick in the optic drive or a bunch of other equally nutty notionms, you could equally say "i don't think i am alone" and more importantly, FIND YOURSELF INCLINED TO SAY IT
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 18:00:47; ascii_field: and i don't think i am alone among thinking people in this position on paywalls.
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306338 << not really how news works, though the commentary pieces could be assembled as such, fetching perhaps $20 a copy with shipping
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 18:01:39; punkman: qntra quarterly print issue?
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mircea_popescu who the fuck cares and when did you start giving a shit if you're alone or not. what's this nonsense!
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: i did say 'thinking people'
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mircea_popescu you don't wanna go to the fuckfest because fucking is by its nature public, but you wanna be thinking in a herd because thinking by its nature is private ?
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mircea_popescu you can paint the box whatever color you want. what do you think elen degeneres says, "degenerates" ?
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ascii_field how did we get to 'herd' ?
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mircea_popescu thinking people is the thing du jour.
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mircea_popescu ascii_field whether you're alone or not should make no fucking difference. more importantly, it shouldn't be a point of consideration. why is it ?
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mircea_popescu you're alone among thinking people thinking computing sucks. what now ? it doesn't suck ?
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306368 << for 1000 words per, i'm sure he could.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 18:17:43; punkman: weekly qntra comic strip would be fun if BB can find an artist
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mircea_popescu yeah pete_dushenski but i recall we briefly interviewing a moderately talented fellow in this very chan and he wanted a billion euros or some shit.
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pete_dushenski but he's alone !
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pete_dushenski how about the chica who did your last xt-memorial comic ?
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pete_dushenski she seemed capable
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mircea_popescu she'd prolly go for it, but she'd still have to be paid, and so far qntra is not so keen to spend cash.
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: the point i was trying to make was not that some 'silent majority' (tm) of thinking people dislike paywall and 'therefore paywalls suck', but that, if my hypothesis is true, it may pose a practical problem - how many of the folks in #b-a would have taken an interest in it if merely reading the logs had cost money ?
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pete_dushenski thus my suggestion of 1000 words/shares per comic
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mircea_popescu moreover she didn't want to / understand she has to make a gpg, and i dun wanna encourage the demuring damsels.
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pete_dushenski picture is worth a thousand shares
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pete_dushenski better than sm ever did
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mircea_popescu ascii_field besides the point what you were tryingt to say. the important thing to notice is how your mental flow went. and it went to "i am not alone". why would it ?
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deedbot- [Qntra] EU Court Rules Bitcoin Above VAT - http://qntra.net/2015/10/eu-court-rules-bitcoin-above-vat/
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: i get that the phrase triggers your allergy.
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pete_dushenski trinque e-mail headers
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BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306028 << just the line breaks are really enough
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 13:39:19; jurov: and on more serious note, I miss anything about paragraph formatting, guess
should be allowed or even endorsed, too.
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mircea_popescu ascii_field not even about me. why would ~you~ argue it like that ? you don't argue like that for anything else, certainly not anything else you know well / understand in depth.
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mod6 ascii_field: for lxr should jurov and I just put up the code to HEAD that includes through 'maxint' and 'verifyall' -- and we'll label it "HEAD" or "v0.5.4-TEST2"? There isn't any actual reason to have two versions of code going up through each leaf is there?
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: now that you say this, i'm not even sure i correctly apprehend the purpose of qntra.
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mircea_popescu ascii_field the point i'm coming to is that it's, unlike something you/those thinking people have actually thought about, merely an aculturation. ie, "this is how we dress". and i know where it comes from too, and so forth. nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is.
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trinque pete_dushenski: heh. some piece of inane, unnecessary complexity for sure. died during a netsplit so I assume he handles this rather poorly.
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trinque the day rapidly approaches when I simply write my own IRC handling part, rather than using this golang bot
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ascii_field mod6: see thread. i'd like to be able to link to known lines in known files of known vhash.
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trinque got another deedbot- hacking weekend coming up; we'll see what I bite off
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mod6 ok will re-read.
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: i really was thinking 'qntra is a propaganda machine primarily for speaking to non-#b-a people.' ergo 'thinking folks other than myself dislike paywalls' is a relevant hypothesis
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306343 <<< ftr i'm a great fan of jurov's sense of humour.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 18:03:03; jurov: mugs and tees!
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ascii_field so, not a brainfart, i really meant to say this. but it is possible that i catastrophically misunderstand the purpose of qntra.
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306375 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306559
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 18:20:02; *: ascii_field does not actually know enough on the subject to comment further
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 19:56:17; mircea_popescu: ascii_field not even about me. why would ~you~ argue it like that ? you don't argue like that for anything else, certainly not anything else you know well / understand in depth.
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ascii_field that was re: webcomics
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ascii_field and their economics
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mircea_popescu ascii_field and yet, as much they dislike paywalls, they love paying for ipads.
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pete_dushenski me thinks 'depth' is the operative word here
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mircea_popescu "the people" will do what told and like it.
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: "successful" webcomics usually survive by selling their brand.
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ascii_field so qntra targets 'the people', the ones who buy ipad ?!
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pete_dushenski trinque cool beans !
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mircea_popescu qntra doth not target.
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller successful webcomics also aren't usually attached to behemoths set on destroying the entire world. note that qntra is NEVER going to be successful, because it's not here to obtain praise from daddy.
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mircea_popescu it's here to rape mommy.
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ascii_field so then it doesn't need a profit model in the usual sense?
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ascii_field (any more than therealbitcoin does)
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mircea_popescu it's not clear what the sense is.
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mircea_popescu it is really too soon to tell.
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ascii_field in the sense of somebody-pays-and-it-goes-to-shareholders
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: from this standpoint this Qntra is more like a media conglemorate than a simple new agency.
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mircea_popescu pays what ?
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thestringpuller news*
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ascii_field pays btc?
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller well, it's all the media of the new republic.
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mircea_popescu ascii_field i suspect the very notion of PAYMENT is going to be destroyed by btc. let me illustrate what i mean.
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mircea_popescu suppose you desire the use of a streetwalker for half an hour.
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mircea_popescu this is usually a transaction between you and her holder, involving one or more crumpled up pieces of paper.
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mircea_popescu you "bought". you two transacted. etc.
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mircea_popescu suppose instead the streetwalker is a bank in distress, and you decide to prop it up. you don't do jack, all you do is SAY you're going to do it.
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mircea_popescu govt comes out announcing it's "commitment" to so and so.
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mircea_popescu the financial notion of monetary commitment is DIFFERENT from the grocery notion of monetary commitment.
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ascii_field as in the story with 'what does mircea_popescu's flat cost' ?
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mircea_popescu certainly ties into that.
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ascii_field but how does this destroy the grocery notion of payment ?
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mircea_popescu what does the queen's mineral water cost ? "it would be an honor if you drank our water!"
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mircea_popescu what's the cup cost the two girls ?
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mircea_popescu shut up and drink it.
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mircea_popescu etc.
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mircea_popescu it doesn't destroy the GROCERY notion of payment,.
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mircea_popescu it destroys the "notion of payment" = all payments are grocery, bitcoin should be visa, all peopel are equal and mp should be nicer to fucktard x.
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mircea_popescu the path of grasp is a long and arduous one.
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ascii_field so basically qntra is искра.
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mircea_popescu it requires a mind bereft of bias, which is rare.
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ascii_field https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Erstausgabe-Iskra.jpg
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: well, it's all the media of the new republic. << This was my point. The 'intellectual property' or whatever you want to call it spawning from qntra is the value. For instance a movie or book, or some other form of media published under qntra. I see royalties in the future perhaps?
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pete_dushenski ascii_field aha
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller i dun see a future for royalties :D
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ascii_field http://www.agitclub.ru/center/comm/fot1/redakc500.gif
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assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1i1o1U5 )
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thestringpuller i guess royalty is bad word. qntra publishes something, people buy what's published, qntra receives revenue for as long as that thing is "in print"
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mircea_popescu where is that great ballas line
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mircea_popescu anyway, he explained somewhere that ads aren't designed to sell the avertised product, but the SYSTEM that produces the product in question.
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mircea_popescu ""The evidence we have from these academic studies is that quite often [soap opera viewers in developing countries] take away different attitudes toward things like how many children they want, what is acceptable behavior for a husband toward his wife, what is the breakdown in a household of responsibilities over things like finances, should we be sending girls to school," says Charles Kenny, an economist at the World
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mircea_popescu Bank."
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field
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mircea_popescu http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/05/china_needs_fewer_tvs_or_a_bil_1.html
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assbot The Last Psychiatrist: China Needs Fewer TVs, Or A Billion Of Them ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYrK3d )
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mircea_popescu works just as good.
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ascii_field https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3pofdv/consensys_absorbing_whats_left_of_ethereum (from qntra commentz) << lulzy. yet again a new usg shill corp. to handle shitcoinatronics
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assbot Consensys absorbing what's left of Ethereum? : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYrOjl )
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mircea_popescu but yes : do you think sumner rothstein gives a flying fuck that his car producing subsidiary paid his tv producing subsidiary a billion in advertising with no roi, when the result of this expense is that china now THINKS the truth about china is on viacom released movies and argentines think citibank is a thing that may exist in buenos aires ?
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mircea_popescu this is what has to be uprooted, fucking WHO making studies about the impact of inequality ?
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mircea_popescu fuyck that shit. the world women's organisation is gonna publish studies about the CAUSAL relationship between domestic beatings and happiness.
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mircea_popescu i'm not a bit player.
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mircea_popescu ascii_field apparently they can't afford to lose 150 BTC THIS BAD. thinkaboutit.
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mircea_popescu it went to all shit (15 iirc last, 50% over the cutoff of the bitbet), only to get a dead cat's jump yest.
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ascii_field but is it coin they wish to avoid losing ? or 'intangibles' ?
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mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/ <<
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assbot BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.95 B (35%) on Yes, 135.57 B (65%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 55`571 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
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mircea_popescu usg can not afford a hundred btc loss
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mircea_popescu understandably, it's not clear the us fed is worth that much atm,
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ascii_field as i understand, the ethereum thing was not purely a classical scam, but has abstract/usgtronic political aims
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mircea_popescu yes. and it ended up negative roi for 'em with very little effort.
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ascii_field what's the roi of this week's 'minuteman' rocket test ?
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ascii_field afaik usg does not even think in these terms
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mircea_popescu the longer it keeps at it the better.
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306344 << i'm aware of no sane paywall implementation (which is to say, other than my own) which violates this.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 18:03:04; ascii_field: because a thing like qntra works at least partly by being linkable
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ascii_field mircea_popescu's www is linkable
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306346 << the only reason it is "profitable", i suspect, is because a shy socially inept guy like the author couldn't pay enough in okcupid fees to ever get laid, otherwise.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 18:03:33; thestringpuller: jurov: this is good point. XKCD is profitable because of it's merch store
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306358 << a desire to separate man from his money is not separable from a nude statement that the man in question is an imbecile.
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 18:11:38; ascii_field: whereas ~thinking~ btc folks are not easily separable from their btc.
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ascii_field how's that?
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ascii_field or is this only if phrased as such
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mircea_popescu compare b-a and random scammer circle, "dollar vigilante" thing or the keiser radio show (hey, check it out, "Auroracoin is a cryptocurrency launched in February 2014 as an Icelandic alternative to bitcoin and the Icelandic króna. Its unknown creator or creators" < hard at work deleting the internet history of previous scams, as if THAT is how it works now)
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mircea_popescu now, what the scammer wants is to collect the sort of people who are dumber than him, and separate them from their money.
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mircea_popescu yes there is some value in money, for sure. but there is A LOT MORE value in a hundred gold pieces resting in a hundred pockets of men that made those pieces
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mircea_popescu than there is in a satchel of a hundred gold pieces collected from the necks of a hundred dizzy cows in the field.
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mircea_popescu what the derps are doing, roughly speaking, is "Becoming powerful" out of robbing monkeys of their rifles.
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mircea_popescu yes, i agree, monkey has no business with a rifle.
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mircea_popescu nevertheless... a pile of rifles doth not give you even the beginning of force. it's just scrap metal.
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pete_dushenski http://news.unchealthcare.org/uncchildrens/news/K2C-clinic-rename
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assbot Krispy Kreme Challenge announces renaming of UNC Children’s clinic — News Room - UNC Health Care ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYtwBr )
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pete_dushenski "Krispy Kreme Challenge Children’s Specialty Clinic"
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pete_dushenski they have 'rexall arena' and 'roger's centre', why not hospital ?
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BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306232 << Price of getting in bed with BitPay, you follow their business tactics nao
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 16:52:15; pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/10/22/espn-layoffs-will-gut-the-networks-production-staff/ << o hey traditional media is thriving donchaknow
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pete_dushenski or the other way around.
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pete_dushenski bitpay, being the naive upstart, thought to itself 'hey if it works for espn it'll work for us'
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pete_dushenski except it doesn't work for espn...
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mircea_popescu pete_dushenski espn was never a start-up. it was rassmunsen backed by getty.
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mircea_popescu also, they shed what, 5% ? sport is going to shit everywhere, the world is sick of it.
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pete_dushenski like getty museum in la getty
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mircea_popescu moor boobs less sweat.
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pete_dushenski http://www.getty.edu/art/collection/ ?
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mircea_popescu ;;google getty oil
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gribble Getty Oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; GETTY OIL:
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BingoBoingo http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306465 << They rebranded the Executive board as a parent company
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 19:26:43; mircea_popescu: why the fuck does google even have an "alphabet" parent, since we're discussing these things ? doth qntra know?
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mircea_popescu just like that ? bored one day ?
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pete_dushenski mircea_popescu same paul j. bbiab.
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BingoBoingo Just like that bored on day, and tired of people bitching about stuff they did other than web advertising, so that is now Google and Alphabet is google, their med shit, and their killer robot dreams
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BingoBoingo pete_dushenski espn was never a start-up. it was rassmunsen backed by getty. << As far as I can remember all Disney [18:17 ]
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BingoBoingo Updated http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2015/10/22/qntra-style-and-draft-content-guide/
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assbot Qntra Style and Draft Content Guide | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZnOlz )
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BingoBoingo Learning so much about Qntra from the sleeping logs.
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BingoBoingo Learning so much about Qntra from the sleep logs
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ben_vulpes https://gist.githubusercontent.com/anonymous/fa5ded3d8e9139881656/raw/4b3f478538be8090a36fbbff52bb60600b1d8ae8/draft-yolo-tls-server-code-exec-00.txt
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assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZoLu9 )
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BingoBoingo http://trilema.com/2015/lacessiveram-editor/#comment-115701
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assbot Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZoJTf )
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BingoBoingo " Historically arbitrary code execution has been a TLS feature." << lol ben_vulpes
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ben_vulpes https://github.com/pydio/pydio-core/pull/972
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assbot Remove plugin `meta.mount` by Xe · Pull Request #972 · pydio/pydio-core · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1jZr6VY )
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BingoBoingo But yes, at the moment Qntra's goal is better writing from more people
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all
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gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 277.42, vol: 26058.12166691 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 270.858, vol: 6382.6092 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 277.86, vol: 15874.74129269 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 284.0, vol: 0.086 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 281.5092, vol: 36807.26730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 275.6761, vol: 91.58052666 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 271.86915, vol: 85.45675649 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
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BingoBoingo ;;more
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gribble 278.76796211
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BingoBoingo That variance
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pete_dushenski ;;bc,stats
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gribble Current Blocks: 380247 | Current Difficulty: 6.088382548009828E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 381023 | Next Difficulty In: 776 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 6 hours, 41 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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BingoBoingo maybe just big numbers
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell Peter_L ty for that submission.
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gribble The operation succeeded.
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BingoBoingo ^Does this mean actually having submission guidelines now is increasing submitter confidence?
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mircea_popescu usually how that works.
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pete_dushenski aaaand i'm off. contravex incoming. enjoy your weekend, all !
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deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The reason fathers hope for sons is because they’re too dumb to handle daughters. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/23/the-reason-fathers-hope-for-sons-is-because-theyre-too-dumb-to-handle-daughters/
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mircea_popescu "Just a piece of advice. If you are ever arrested, make sure to ask for a jury. As for two juries. If your lawyer says the words "bench" and "trial" at any point in the same paragraph, flee to Argentina. Those 12 idiots, imperfect as they are, are one of the only things protecting you from a top down, hierarchical, classist, flow chart wielding government clusterfuck that has no time, interest, or money to deal wit
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mircea_popescu h people as individuals, so it deals with them as groups, types, diagnoses and organ banks."
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mircea_popescu heh
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mircea_popescu "stereotypes are wrong mkay, unless the government's doing it."
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mircea_popescu "total drug sales climbed to $300B (more spending on drugs)."
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mircea_popescu in 2009, the 300mn strong us spent 300 bn on PSYCH MEDS.
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mircea_popescu ie, an honest living, EACH
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PeterL http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306726 << No underscore :)
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 23:08:32; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Peter_L ty for that submission.
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PeterL http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2015#1306728 << having the guidelines is nice
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assbot Logged on 23-10-2015 23:08:58; BingoBoingo: ^Does this mean actually having submission guidelines now is increasing submitter confidence?
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PeterL On a possibly unrelated note, I am back to being unemployed again
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PeterL The last position I took was a "temp-to-hire", I thought the hire part would come with a significant pay increase, it didn't so I walked away
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mircea_popescu why not ask upfront lol
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deedbot- [Trilema] The peak of insanity. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-peak-of-insanity/
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mircea_popescu i gotta spam this.
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mircea_popescu "Why didn't you publish this post earlier, when the story first came out????"
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mircea_popescu You mean because the further away we get from the hot news cycle, the less you're interested in the truth? And so apathy allows it to stand as true, because it all seems plausible (face validity, bitches.) That's social science for you. But the answer to your question is simple: I don't get paid to criticize studies. I have a job and a life and an alcohol problem that doesn't leave much room for blog posts.
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mircea_popescu If you don't like something going on in politics, there are ways to voice that. But looking deep into a "scientific" concept requires a level of sophistication which, if you possess it, means you're probably busy with a day job. So you have neither the time nor energy to dissect articles in Pediatrics-- and, anyway, no forum. I, at least have a semi-popular blog; but even so I'm subject to the same time and monetar
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mircea_popescu y constraints. If I need money for rum, do I spend an extra hour at work, or write a post?
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mircea_popescu Had it not been for the little money I do get from this blog, maybe I would not have written this post at all, because... why bother? And so all you are left with is their dogma. Search the internet, the Letters To The Editor. Anyone else saying what I just said in this post? You may not agree with my post, but you are nevertheless better for having read and considered it. I'm not saying I'm the only one who though
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mircea_popescu t it; I'm saying that those who thought it, or could have thought it, are busy with other things, and the people who should have thought of it physically can't.
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mircea_popescu What do you think would happen if the NIMH paid astrophysicists to look into psychiatry? Ain't never gonna find out, they have their own problems. Specialization doesn't mean I'm the best, it means stay off my lawn. Since I/us/astrophysicists don't have the resources to publish at all/as fast as Pediatrics or CNN, they get to decide what's true.
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mircea_popescu The people who get paid to look at ADHD are all unanimously on the same side, that's what conveys the illusion of objectivity. Pretending to be divided pro- or anti-Pharma, or "dopamine hypothesis" vs. "noradrenergic hypothesis" makes it look like there's a lot of vigorous debate, but debating what color is a ki-ran just means ki-rans are real.
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mircea_popescu Please don't misunderstand me, I am not blogging for money. I'm showing you that so much of what you think you know, what you think is fact, is established not by the force of evidence but by the absence of resources for the opposition. The ones with the money are all unanimously in agreement.
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mircea_popescu So yes, I would have liked to have posted day one; but I would have liked it better if someone else on the inside said, "umm, wait a minute? Really? We're going to CNN with this?"
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mircea_popescu so much word.
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306752 << seems like a very basic thing: the 'hersheyization' of sex ('everybody gets a wife') inevitably leads to 'If you think it looks stupid when a 40 year old man buys a convertible or has to go find himself or chases a 20 year old intern' and a caste of priests tasked with convincing chumps that ~this~ is - somehow - sanity.
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assbot Logged on 24-10-2015 02:21:54; deedbot-: [Trilema] The peak of insanity. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-peak-of-insanity/
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asciilifeform and hard to imagine that tlp did not realize this.
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mircea_popescu interestingly, the focus of hate for ballas seems to be this Nassir Ghaemi douche. i put him on the list, expecting who knows what wizened old ass.
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asciilifeform but he's a heretical priest, not an atheistical one
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mircea_popescu mnope. turns out... another bharara
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mircea_popescu Born in Tehran, Iran, he immigrated to the US at the age of 5 with his family and was raised in McLean, Virginia by his father Kamal Ghaemi MD, a neurosurgeon and neurologist, and his mother Guity Kamali Ghaemi, an art historian. A graduate of McLean High School (1984), he received a BA in history from George Mason University (Fairfax, Virginia, 1986).
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mircea_popescu http://www.nassirghaemi.com/images/Nassir-210.jpg >> looks the job, too, and put so much effort into self-promotion you think he's the next martha stewart.
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform he is huh.
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asciilifeform thinkaboutit.
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mircea_popescu myeah.
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mircea_popescu but i imagine he did somehow not realise this.
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asciilifeform nobody quite cancelled christianity. because this, this particular thing, is a very christian one.
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mircea_popescu it is the only christian one.
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mircea_popescu everythiong else is imported chinese bags.
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asciilifeform dar al-islam does not have this particular problem.
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asciilifeform (has others, which appear when you pull this jumper off. but not this one)
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mircea_popescu it is , to me, a very curious thing, this.
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asciilifeform but the basic job of the priest is much the same everywhere - to convince his patients that the things they cannot have, they do not want, and 'no sane person would want'
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mircea_popescu i come from a land where intelligence is luxury, and i gaze upon this land where intelligence is merely alternative boring in amazement.
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asciilifeform luxury ?
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mircea_popescu yes.
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asciilifeform but how
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mircea_popescu just so!
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mircea_popescu "you have to come to school every day!" but but mircea hasn't showed up this month!" "i am affraid of him."
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asciilifeform l0l
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asciilifeform http://xkcd.com/1594 << not entirely unrelated.
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assbot xkcd: Human Subjects ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xpgxuc )
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mircea_popescu not "oh, you finished the work, now do this stgupid shit" like us
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asciilifeform this - yes.
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mircea_popescu see, equality of chance, not of result.
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mircea_popescu in my world, all kids are equal : gotta do this much work.
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mircea_popescu in the nazi us, all kids have to have the same result : spend 50 minutes fucking with x.
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mircea_popescu fuck that shit.
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