Forum logs for 20 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu (the Dictionnaire raisonne des sciences, des arts, et des metiers. was essentially a b-a of the time fork of human knowledge of the time. it was wildly successful in spite of being mostly wrong) [00:01]
trinque I don't know much about rousseau, except that I recall him being mentioned by someone who was arguing bureaucracy was the greatest of all human inventions, and this with utter seriousness [00:03]
decimation mircea_popescu: but many of the folks in that wot ended up throwing derps into the woodchipper [00:03]
mircea_popescu trinque that's about where you'd expect it. [00:03]
trinque person was a fucking moron who worshipped big govt [00:04]
mircea_popescu decimation who, d'alembert ? lebreton ? [00:04]
mircea_popescu trinque bureaucracy has its uses. the problem is that the context it'd be useful in and the context in which it thrives are so wildly divorced. [00:04]
mircea_popescu sorta like how wolves would make excellent guard dogs, if only they stopped going and killing all the sheep and stayed at the fucking door instead. [00:05]
asciilifeform one might even say: bureaucracy was the first computer [00:05]
decimation voltaire, et al weren't exactly fans of the ancien regime [00:05]
asciilifeform computer of meat [00:05]
trinque I can see the point; a space is declared within which rules and processes accumulate [00:06]
asciilifeform peter 1 introduced bureaucracy in ru, and is worshipped for it [00:06]
mircea_popescu voltaire was a great fan, what are you talking about ? [00:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ayup/ [00:06]
trinque but doing the accumulation as a good in itself seems to be where the insanity lies? [00:06]
trinque I recall the self-licking ice cream cone metaphor [00:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the computer of meat approach may well explain why it sucks so bad since 1900s. not a bad heuristic. [00:07]
asciilifeform it is how i always explain it to n00bs [00:07]
asciilifeform can make a computer out of near-anything [00:07]
asciilifeform but the only suitable material, in the old days, was meat [00:07]
mircea_popescu the other thing is : bureaucracy makes an excellent woman and an applaing man. [00:07]
mircea_popescu for as long as bureaucracy = the slaves of peter, or julius, or w/e, that may well work. [00:08]
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trinque so happens the fan of bureaucracy was female [00:08]
mircea_popescu once people try to be run by a bureaucracy however... god help'em. [00:08]
mircea_popescu even patently retarded stuff like "Smart contracts" seem preferable by that experience. [00:10]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUdQuy6SZc [00:11]
assbot Hermes Bureaucrat song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzqJYM ) [00:11]
asciilifeform ^ [00:11]
mircea_popescu til "transhumanism" has a logo [00:11]
mircea_popescu how the fuck does this work. [00:11]
mircea_popescu i've never seen cancer this organised before. [00:12]
asciilifeform take it up with thiel [00:12]
asciilifeform who, as i understand, is paying [00:12]
mircea_popescu oh, is that it ? [00:13]
asciilifeform aha [00:13]
asciilifeform him. [00:13]
mircea_popescu "Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international cultural and intellectual movement with an eventual goal of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities." [00:13]
asciilifeform note that not even remotely true as printed on the crate [00:13]
mircea_popescu why so shy you know ? what's wrong with "Transhumanism is Thiel's stab at b-a. He thinks Omidyar's stab at qntra failed for reasons unrelated." [00:14]
asciilifeform -zero- actual work on lickliderian or engelbartian 'intelligence amplification' concept from these bozos [00:14]
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asciilifeform much less anything actually hard like ai [00:14]
mircea_popescu "This article is about the futurist ideology and movement. For the critique of humanism, see posthumanism. For the pattern of seasonal migration, see transhumance. For persons experiencing incongruence between their actual gender and the gender assigned to them at birth, see trans man, trans woman, and transgender." << best part imo. [00:14]
asciilifeform l0l! [00:15]
asciilifeform no mention of trans fats? [00:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works. "nobody's using bitcoin, nobody could have foreseen their using a plane as a rocket and nobody's doing anything better nor anything better could exist than ... you know, raising awareness" [00:15]
asciilifeform or transesterification ? [00:15]
mircea_popescu it's a thing, all this. [00:15]
mircea_popescu "The most common thesis put forward is that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label posthuman." [00:16]
mircea_popescu check it out lmao, an international cultural and intellectual "movement" that aspires to one day... label soemthing! [00:16]
asciilifeform 'able' because cthulhu will wish it ? [00:16]
mircea_popescu no but it's splendid. so they aspire to... names! [00:16]
mircea_popescu maybe humanity could go to transyale and get a transphd ? [00:17]
trinque someday we will be caught up in the heavens with white robes, and our bodies will be purified [00:17]
trinque there's gotta be a damn circuit for this shit in the head [00:18]
asciilifeform trinque: they have a literal version of this! [00:18]
asciilifeform 'uploading' [00:18]
mircea_popescu "This hypothesis would lay the intellectual groundwork for the British philosopher Max More to begin articulating the principles of transhumanism as a futurist philosophy in 1990 and organizing in California an intelligentsia that has since grown into the worldwide transhumanist movement." [00:18]
trinque asciilifeform: lol oh I know [00:18]
trinque it is techno-christianity [00:18]
mircea_popescu basically this is scientology bahai ? do they speak esperanto ? [00:18]
asciilifeform trinque: it was slightly more interesting before was obvious sc4mz0r1ng [00:18]
mircea_popescu "Influenced by seminal works of science fiction, the transhumanist vision of a transformed future humanity has attracted many supporters and detractors from a wide range of perspectives." aaahahahaha [00:18]
mircea_popescu dude omfg... this is a parody is it ? [00:19]
asciilifeform when tech was actually kinda moving, '70s-80s, and a number of things looked quasi-plausible with one eye closed [00:19]
mircea_popescu wikipedia is turning into tvtropes. [00:19]
trinque asciilifeform: yudkowski even invented the beast or satan or w/e, that AI that resolves to abuse your eternal soul forever if you oppose it [00:19]
trinque hm might not have been him, but I read he fears it [00:19]
asciilifeform trinque: aha [00:19]
asciilifeform no it was him [00:19]
mircea_popescu how do you abuse the eternal soul ? [00:19]
mircea_popescu make it read bad fanfic about "bullies" ? [00:19]
trinque pls don't trigger me [00:19]
asciilifeform he actually proclaimed a fatwa, since deleted (iirc) justifying the murder of anyone who might risk bringing about this situation [00:20]
trinque triggered for all time! [00:20]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is max moore is what i wanna know [00:20]
mircea_popescu "Max More (born Max T. O'Connor, January 1964) is a philosopher and futurist who writes, speaks, and consults on advanced decision-making about emerging technologies." [00:20]
mircea_popescu ... [00:20]
asciilifeform !s jaron lanier [00:20]
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asciilifeform !s digirati [00:20]
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asciilifeform ^ them. [00:20]
decimation we discussed lanier earlier [00:20]
asciilifeform that entire social set. [00:20]
mircea_popescu so like... being a playboy model without the tits ? [00:21]
asciilifeform 'public intellectuals' [00:21]
mircea_popescu not quite. [00:21]
asciilifeform as seen elsewhere on the planet. cocksucking sycophants of the most degenerate imaginable kind [00:21]
mircea_popescu public intellectuals are actually educated people. [00:21]
mircea_popescu how about "marketeers without a product" ? [00:21]
asciilifeform using the phrase in the derisive chinese sense [00:22]
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decimation their produt is 'pay attention to meee' [00:22]
asciilifeform (as described in http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-rage-of-cultural-elites.html ) [00:22]
assbot ClubOrlov: The Rage of the Cultural Elites ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrL2Jb ) [00:22]
mircea_popescu Founder of the Extropy Institute, Max More has written many articles espousing the philosophy of transhumanism and the transhumanist philosophy of extropy,[6] most importantly his Principles of Extropy (currently version 3.11) [00:22]
mircea_popescu ok, this im reading then [00:22]
mircea_popescu "Extropy is a proposed opposing concept to entropy. As entropy decreases , signifying more order, so extropy would increase in the manner of negentropy." [00:23]
mircea_popescu holy shit. enthalpy never happened ? [00:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the actual founding document of mr y's garbage is actually this: http://mindstalk.net/vinge/vinge-sing.html [00:23]
assbot Vernor Vinge on the Singularity ... ( http://bit.ly/198l4wD ) [00:23]
mircea_popescu god im sick of fucktarded usians giving their name to random items. [00:23]
mircea_popescu "and this tree i call jorje". [00:23]
* asciilifeform has an ancient copy of this, printed on matrix printer, yellowed with ages [00:23]
mircea_popescu "Extropy also attempts to describe the nature of the order, so a crystal , although highly ordered would have low extropy, but an organism or machine would have high extropy because of the informational structure contained within it. " [00:23]
mircea_popescu where's my red F [00:24]
asciilifeform vinge was (is?) a maths prof who went off the reservation and turned into a 3rd rate sf writer [00:24]
mircea_popescu http://www.extropy.org/principles.htm [00:24]
assbot Object not found! ... ( http://bit.ly/198linx ) [00:24]
mircea_popescu check out the complexity. fucking fucktards already. [00:24]
asciilifeform !s vinge [00:24]
assbot 3 results for 'vinge' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vinge [00:24]
asciilifeform possibly '3rd rate' is uncharitable. but he is quite unreadable today [00:25]
* asciilifeform tried [00:25]
decimation of course all of them would dismiss the YHWH worshipping Jews and Christians as credulous simpletons [00:25]
decimation but fear the great AI demon! [00:25]
mircea_popescu Date: Thu, March 19, 2015 11:21 pm [00:26]
mircea_popescu To: webmaster@extropy.org [00:26]
mircea_popescu Hello, we [00:26]
mircea_popescu think you are stupid. [00:26]
mircea_popescu Carry on. [00:26]
asciilifeform decimation: never mind that not one could describe the first thing about building a computer which does not barf regularly [00:26]
trinque :D [00:26]
decimation asciilifeform: hey, they have a research program [00:26]
mircea_popescu In the mid-1970s F.M. Esfandiary legally[5] changed his name to FM-2030 for two main reasons. Firstly, to reflect the hope and belief that he would live to celebrate his 100th birthday in 2030 [00:27]
mircea_popescu died in 2000. [00:27]
mircea_popescu must suck to be these people. [00:28]
asciilifeform they have... phaith! [00:28]
mircea_popescu The concept of the technological singularity, or the ultra-rapid advent of superhuman intelligence, was first proposed by the British cryptologist I. J. Good in 1965: "Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever." [00:28]
mircea_popescu check it out... [00:28]
asciilifeform betcha he croaked convinced to the hilt he'd be ancestor-simmed. [00:28]
mircea_popescu i love these scientists that don't even bother putting magic numbers in the code anymore. [00:29]
mircea_popescu hey asciilifeform have we far surpassed yet or not ? [00:29]
asciilifeform much. [00:29]
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mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/H%2B_Cover_1.jpg << "Cover of the first issue of h+ Magazine, a web-based quarterly publication that focuses on transhumanism." [00:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/198mLKk ) [00:30]
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mircea_popescu apaprently the future is with bad lipstick and weirdo muslim headwear. [00:30]
asciilifeform the vinge essay is pertinent to the 'phoom' (actual name, iirc, for the apocalypse mechanism mr y believes in) [00:30]
mircea_popescu ;;google Natasha Vita-More nude [00:31]
gribble Natasha Vita-More on Whole Body Prosthetic - YouTube: ; Bone Density on Vimeo: ; Natasha Vita-More on Vimeo: [00:31]
mircea_popescu mmmkay. [00:31]
asciilifeform 'phoom' is, in his cosmology, the conflagration resulting from a 'non-friendly' (read: not designed under mr y's tutelage) thinking machine which sets to work improving and crafting copies of self [00:31]
asciilifeform out of the remaining universe (how? ask him, not me) [00:31]
asciilifeform this is also called 'paperclipping' [00:31]
mircea_popescu wikipedia goes through an entire bio article without resolving her relationship to the max more dude. [00:31]
bitstein asciilifeform:he actually proclaimed a fatwa, since deleted (iirc) justifying the murder of anyone who might risk bringing about this situation << Roko's Basilisk at least frightened people enough for him to delete everything about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_basilisk [00:32]
asciilifeform from an illustration where a malevolent apparatus converts all of the matter in the universe into paperclips. [00:32]
assbot LessWrong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/198npHM ) [00:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why exactly do we suspect very intelligent machines would reproduce ? [00:32]
mircea_popescu very intelligent humans don't seem to. [00:32]
asciilifeform in his doctrine, it wasn't specified as something they would necessarily do to reproduce in the animal sense, but as a side-effect of operation [00:33]
mircea_popescu right. just like people. [00:33]
asciilifeform sorta like fire doesn't distinguish between 'designated' fuel and your house [00:33]
mircea_popescu but fire is not intelligent. [00:33]
asciilifeform basically he proposed that intelligence per se could behave like fire. [00:34]
mircea_popescu so his idea of superintelligence is superstupidity ? [00:34]
asciilifeform aha. [00:34]
mircea_popescu way to let one's own wounded narcisism get hold of the whole cart. [00:34]
mircea_popescu seriously eliezer baby : first off we know you're stupid, and second off it really doesn't make much difference. okay ? [00:34]
mircea_popescu let it rest. [00:34]
asciilifeform specifically that any 'superintelligence' not crafted under his tutelage would inevitably turn into a world-burner of superstupid [00:34]
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decimation mircea_popescu: the problem is that he's been 'endowed', which means his new career is to pump this stuff out [00:35]
mircea_popescu sorta like unbaptised kids ? [00:35]
mircea_popescu !up poli_ [00:35]
-assbot- You voiced poli_ for 30 minutes. [00:35]
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poli_ Hey [00:35]
mircea_popescu decimation hardly much of a problem neh ? [00:35]
mircea_popescu and who might you be poli_ ? [00:35]
poli_ Is Milk here? I have a question regarding Bitbets. [00:35]
decimation well, insofar as it acts as a bezzlar sink, no [00:35]
poli_ An enterprising bitcoin lover. [00:35]
mircea_popescu shoot. [00:36]
poli_ Referred to this overflowing channel via bitbet as well. [00:36]
mircea_popescu decimation some other guy got a job as area supervisor of kfc, you know ? nothing wrong with it. [00:36]
mircea_popescu poli_ so what's your question ? [00:36]
poli_ I was curious as to what kind of political questions are allowed. [00:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'm half convinced that yudkowsky's job is to tie up the brain cpu cycles of folks who could amount to something [00:37]
asciilifeform into harmless masturbatorium [00:37]
poli_ My own specialty is in politicaly analysis and I've been waiting for the chance to put my knowledge to good use. [00:37]
trinque asciilifeform: "the beautiful ones" [00:37]
mircea_popescu poli_ so go for it. [00:37]
asciilifeform his forum housed the largest collection of people who showed symptoms of having a brain which i ever encountered prior to #b-a [00:37]
asciilifeform at least, encountered in one place [00:37]
poli_ As in ask the question here? [00:37]
mircea_popescu yes. [00:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform interesting. [00:38]
mircea_popescu anyone willing to admit an ex lesswrong persona ? [00:38]
poli_ Why not, sure. [00:38]
danielpbarron !s "ask to ask" [00:38]
assbot 6 results for '"ask to ask"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22ask+to+ask%22 [00:38]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: admit << me. [00:38]
poli_ I know lesswrong all to well. [00:38]
mircea_popescu o.O [00:38]
asciilifeform http://lesswrong.com/user/asciilifeform/overview [00:38]
assbot Overview for asciilifeform - Less Wrong [00:38]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you got banned for spamming ? [00:39]
asciilifeform not quite [00:39]
asciilifeform just told that 'the likes of you ain't welcom' [00:39]
mircea_popescu "Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment that assumes that an otherwise benevolent future artificial intelligence (AI) would torture the simulated selves of the people who did not help bring about the AI's existence. [...] The concept was proposed in 2010 by contributor Roko in a discussion on LessWrong. Yudkowsky deleted the posts regarding it and banned further discussion of Roko's basilisk on LessWrong after it had [00:39]
mircea_popescu apparently caused several contributors who took it seriously considerable anguish." [00:39]
poli_ But anyways, mine question. Would I be allowed to bet on the following question: President Poroshenko will cease to be president of the Ukraine within 4 months. [00:39]
asciilifeform but in all fairness i haven't pushed the knob on that account in years [00:39]
mircea_popescu i don't get it. why would anyone care about some simulation ?! [00:39]
asciilifeform no idea if still worx [00:39]
mircea_popescu poli_ yes. [00:39]
poli_ Well the idea is that Roko's basilisk [00:40]
mircea_popescu afaik there's a bunch of these. [00:40]
poli_ will motivate people into bringing it around [00:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: why would anyone care about some simulation << in mr y's world, the simulated organism -is- you [00:40]
poli_ thereby bringing the simulation into existence [00:40]
poli_ So burn all the records so people dont think of it [00:40]
mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/bet/1007/president-obama-impeached-before-2015/ etc [00:40]
assbot BitBet - President Obama Impeached before 2015 :: 0.01 B (6%) on Yes, 0.15 B (94%) on No | closed 4 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/198plzZ ) [00:40]
poli_ Sweet, and thanks for the answer on the question. [00:40]
mircea_popescu https://bitbet.us/bet/761/venezuelan-president-to-step-down/ etc [00:41]
assbot BitBet - Venezuelan President to step down :: 0.34 B (17%) on Yes, 1.61 B (83%) on No | closed 11 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/198pmUy ) [00:41]
mircea_popescu poli_ hit the search button, select politics and all bets, and see what the cat drags. [00:41]
poli_ and I don't mean 'impeached', I mean 'cease beingr president', but whatever means fate happens to employ. [00:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what do you mean "is" [00:41]
bitstein asciilifeform: great link you had posted back in 2009: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.org.mensa/YnGkZSpALew/vsr0iDobXDwJ [00:41]
assbot Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/198ptPW ) [00:41]
asciilifeform 'is' (in their view) in the same way as the 'you' who goes to the toilet and then comes back 'is' you. [00:41]
poli_ I figured you wouldn't be allowed to bet on overtly non-legal happenings. Thanks for the help Mircea [00:42]
asciilifeform bitstein: penny is inimitable and timeless [00:42]
mircea_popescu poli_ so do they keep attacking wikipedia to take it off ? [00:42]
asciilifeform bitstein: she was one of the more interesting folks i ever saw on the net. entirely vanished, long ago. [00:42]
mircea_popescu i don't get the argument tho, why is superai of the future influenced by ruminations of humans today [00:43]
poli_ No idea. I stopped following Lesswrong a while back. [00:43]
poli_ They got super spergy and fairly degen. [00:43]
mircea_popescu ;;ud dege [00:43]
mircea_popescu ;;ud degen [00:43]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dege | Bre 2 : Alow him fam hes a top dege, chek his high bats. Bre 1 : LOL Example 2. Bre 1 : That dege gets ber rude fam, i dashd his book out da window. Bre 2 : LOL  ... [00:43]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=degen | A degen is one step above the dero or derelict in the scale of madness. Scozz Walker ... Gamblers consider other gamblers degens, but not themselves usually. [00:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the idea is that the mega-ai appears and has, somehow (forget physics for a moment) a total record of all things [00:43]
bitstein asciilifeform: is there an archive somewhere of her writing? [00:43]
poli_ Plus, I didn't think the Roko's Basilisk scenario was all that likely. [00:43]
samO__ scoopbot shesek shinohai so starsoccer Stellarflip STRML [00:43]
poli_ personal opinion there [00:43]
asciilifeform bitstein: google groups has most of it, but no longer searchable. [00:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform then it's done, no ? [00:43]
asciilifeform bitstein: my hard disk has the 2nd largest, i suspect. [00:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha done [00:44]
asciilifeform but thinking about it was giving some of mr y's gurlz nightmares [00:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what happens if i make two simulations of the same one slavegirl and order them both to fight to the death ? [00:44]
asciilifeform and so he declared jihad [00:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i haven't tried this [00:45]
mircea_popescu (while the original's watching, of course) [00:45]
asciilifeform so cannot rightfully apprehend what happens [00:45]
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asciilifeform who is stronger, the elephant or the whale. [00:45]
mircea_popescu i suppose i got to ask lesswrong, they seem to know all sortsa shit about how shit that doesn't exist works. [00:45]
asciilifeform i did say to mr y 'inventing circuit breaker before discovering electric current' [00:46]
asciilifeform there was no interesting reply. [00:46]
poli_ indeed Mircea. [00:46]
poli_ indeed. [00:46]
asciilifeform thing is, he wasn't always a charlatan [00:46]
asciilifeform was once an enthusiastic self-taught kid [00:46]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/uk-regulates-self-out-of-bitcoin/ [00:46]
asciilifeform wrote to him in the '90s while also a kid [00:46]
decimation I take all of the above writing as evidence that the authors in question have never tried to create a real simulation on an actual computer [00:46]
mircea_popescu all sorts of fun could be had here. what if i get a simulation of me to impregnate the actual girl, and then i impregnate the simulation of her. [00:46]
asciilifeform my first pgp-gram actually. [00:46]
asciilifeform he wrote back, seemed like a c00l d00d [00:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform self-teaching IS quite like fire. [00:47]
mircea_popescu i've known many of these, they look like radiation. sooner or later start moving toward wall. [00:47]
asciilifeform at the time he actually was trying to scarf up all there was written re: ai, hoping to build something new [00:47]
asciilifeform the 'flip' happened, iirc, some time in the early 2000s when his brother died of mysterious death [00:47]
asciilifeform mr y had a breakdown of sort [00:48]
mircea_popescu was he bullied ? [00:48]
asciilifeform fuck if i know [00:48]
mircea_popescu would explain a lot of bad fiction i read in sumary. [00:48]
asciilifeform he was drummed out of school as a youth [00:48]
asciilifeform for what, i do not know [00:48]
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mircea_popescu can't figure out how to thank that physics dude that read what seems like > 500 pages of shit. [00:48]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i meant the bro. [00:48]
asciilifeform http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/search/label/yudkowsky << another mr y h8t3r [00:49]
assbot Richard Kulisz: yudkowsky ... ( http://bit.ly/198rEmI ) [00:49]
asciilifeform ^ also old net crackpot [00:49]
bitstein asciilifeform: ah, okay. i'll peruse that. [00:49]
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* asciilifeform does not endorse mr k wholesale [00:49]
asciilifeform but stimulating reading [00:49]
mircea_popescu decimation i have the same impression. [00:50]
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mircea_popescu fucking blogspot. [00:50]
mircea_popescu "What is rationality? It's the ability to make life plans which reach your goals." [00:51]
mircea_popescu uh. i don't think so. [00:51]
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mircea_popescu rationality is a purely linguistic property, it has exactly nothing to do with action. [00:51]
mircea_popescu rationality is, basically, the ability to distinguish homomorphisms from homologies. [00:52]
mircea_popescu (same structure vs same components) [00:52]
asciilifeform i meant the bro << ah i've no idea. found dead in a dark alley, iirc, but nothing publicly out afaik beyond that [00:52]
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asciilifeform homomorphisms from homologies << doug hofstadter spent a good chunk of his life bashing head against this [00:53]
mircea_popescu aha [00:54]
mircea_popescu farg is probably one of the better approaches to the ai problem, at any rate. [00:54]
poli_ Thanks again for the help Mircea, talk to yall later [00:55]
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mircea_popescu cheers] [00:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this discussion inspires me to the following ai standard : a computer that can distinguish code from data is rational. [00:56]
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brendafdez ben_vulpes pls check message :P [01:02]
mircea_popescu "It annoys me that idiots continue to use "oh wow, that's so amazing" as the measure of creative genius. Or even worse, that they rely on society's direction to determine who is a creative genius and who isn't. First of all, creative geniuses are RESPECTED and LOOKED UP TO by society. And any position that is looked up to will be coveted by Narcissists who are driven by Glory, such as Richard Feynman who all his life w [01:03]
mircea_popescu as driven to be a jerkass asshole and a thief." [01:03]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:03]
mircea_popescu somebody's got some issues o.O [01:03]
asciilifeform mr k is a full-bore crackpot, sorta like yours truly but with heavier radiation damage [01:05]
asciilifeform iirc he lives somewhere in canada on a meagre pension [01:05]
decimation re: simulation > consider 266 bits. the number of possibilities for those bits is equal to the number of electrons in the universe [01:06]
mircea_popescu The Real Deal [01:06]
mircea_popescu How do I know I'm the real deal instead of a crazed nutter? Because I tend to elicit the 'damn, that's so obvious now' reaction from people who elicit that same reaction from people like you. [01:06]
mircea_popescu decimation i don't think anyone seriously considers that entire "simulation as life" thing outside of fiction. [01:07]
decimation how is that not exactly the same as "oh wow, that's so amazing' [01:07]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:07]
mircea_popescu it's just too dependent on vast ignorance. [01:07]
decimation mircea_popescu: one cannot speak with certainty about the whereabouts of a single electron, even with infinite bezzlars to dispose on the task [01:07]
mircea_popescu right. [01:08]
asciilifeform decimation: to be fair, even discussing its 'whereabouts' is wrong straight off the bat. [01:08]
mircea_popescu it gets worse, there's entire swaths of particles that are mirrored, you'll never know if you've got various pairs right or backwards. [01:08]
asciilifeform like dividing by 0. [01:08]
decimation asciilifeform: aye [01:08]
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mircea_popescu right, something like that. [01:08]
mircea_popescu "Labels: creativity, Psychology, yudkowsky". lol. why ?! [01:09]
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mircea_popescu "It's wise to keep track of what your mortal enemies do, and there's little that more exemplifies Pure Evil in this world than Eliezer Yudkowsky." [01:10]
asciilifeform because he ran into him and barfed for a year straight [01:10]
mircea_popescu such an internet this internet is. [01:10]
mircea_popescu how is some geeky kid pure evil ?! [01:11]
asciilifeform in mr k's view, the hypothetical ai is alive and building it 'friendly' (to use mr y's term) is an act of diabolical cruelty [01:12]
asciilifeform like growing a kid in a glass jar [01:12]
asciilifeform or in usa [01:12]
mircea_popescu http://hplusmagazine.com/ <><< ahahahaha o may gawd. [01:12]
mircea_popescu "Interview: JeRm La Haine — On Transhuman Unit and his new project IAIO" << http://i0.wp.com/hplusmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-12-at-10.58.28-AM.png?fit=300%2C300 [01:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/198w6Sz ) [01:13]
mircea_popescu "Crowdfunding: Support Titanovo’s Novel Telomere Testing Technology" complete with their own scams an' errything. [01:13]
asciilifeform the fella in that picture is such a jaronlanier [01:13]
asciilifeform srsly, why must these folks all look alike ?! [01:14]
* asciilifeform 's first paying job, while student, pertained to telomerase [01:14]
asciilifeform http://www.jimmunol.org/content/166/11/6647.full << mentioned in the 'monkeys' section [01:15]
assbot Induction of Telomerase Activity During Development of Human Mast Cells from Peripheral Blood CD34+ Cells: Comparisons with [01:15]
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mircea_popescu "We thank Stanislav Datskovskiy for his assistance with the measurement of telomerase activity in some of these experiments and Martha Kirby for her expert assistance in the analysis of apoptosis." check you out. [01:16]
asciilifeform no prizes for guessing how much use came of this. [01:16]
mircea_popescu "Jerm La Haine: I’ve been doing music production and graphic design for just under twenty years now." [01:17]
decimation asciilifeform: re: look alike < note that they are all 'alterntive' in the same way. none of them choose to dress like 15th century nobility, for example [01:17]
mircea_popescu " Currently I’ve been getting lots of positive attention for my new record label Collective Conscious Records." [01:17]
mircea_popescu it's scary what kids today use to describe themselves. [01:17]
mircea_popescu decimation shut up, it's LA!!! Haine. [01:18]
asciilifeform decimation: aha. nor will they put on a cravat [01:18]
asciilifeform you won't catch them dressing up as mircea_popescu [01:18]
mircea_popescu (la haine = to clothes, in ro.) [01:18]
mircea_popescu "I started the record label because I wasn’t happy with any of the offers i got from other record labels. It’s a way I can release my own stuff on my own terms. After the first couple releases people started getting interested in the label. I’ve even started working out deals with some artists. I recently released a few tracks with Lonnie Dangerous and Collective Conscious Records is getting ready to release an a [01:19]
mircea_popescu lbum by Young Boy Hybrid. Currently Collective Conscious Records has eighteen releases available and we have several more on the way this year." [01:19]
asciilifeform although to mr mold's credit - the man once proposed that moldbuggerites dress in tweed 'to rebel' [01:19]
mircea_popescu the very strange thing here is that he somehow thinks the "releases" are the problem record labels solve. [01:20]
mircea_popescu not the market. you're a record label for having 100 singer-songrwiters, that'll make whatever shit, not for having 100mn customers who'll buy whatever you put out. [01:20]
mircea_popescu such strange. [01:20]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pilo_ I read the whole Yudo Harierzer thing [01:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:22]
decimation the music label's real 'problem solving' would be knowing how to push the right bellybuttons to force a song to be played in a large chunk of the existing radio stations/youtubes/ipods [01:23]
mircea_popescu aye. [01:23]
mircea_popescu more of a 90s thing, record label as master of payola. [01:23]
BingoBoingo "It's wise to keep track of what your mortal enemies do, and there's little that more exemplifies Pure Evil in this world than Eliezer Yudkowsky." << Dude is harmless can't even kill the little girl without a troll [01:24]
decimation yes, the business model is failing. it still exists, but it is a victim of its own success in the sense that it has trained the masses to ignore radio [01:24]
mircea_popescu "“Transhuman Strategies” conference March 21 in Silicon Valley—- Tickets Limited! Posted: February 26, 2015 [01:24]
mircea_popescu What are the Transhuman Goals in the near future? 0 comments" [01:24]
mircea_popescu this can't be a thiel thing can it ? [01:24]
BingoBoingo Almost has to be [01:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: thiel plus wannebee panhandlers on his door [01:25]
mircea_popescu ah. [01:25]
mircea_popescu anyone going ? :D [01:25]
decimation does anyone here live in the bay area? [01:25]
BingoBoingo No I [01:25]
asciilifeform btw mr y was running sc4mf3r3nc3z before bitcoin [01:25]
asciilifeform for $maxint [01:25]
mircea_popescu "Venue: Prospect SIlicon Valley Categories: Brighter Brains, Transhumanism Tags: communications, strategic planning, strategy, SWOT" [01:25]
mircea_popescu SWOT! [01:26]
mircea_popescu maybe they slip up and built the transhuman bureaucracy, complete with transflipcharts. [01:26]
asciilifeform special weapons onanism team ? [01:26]
asciilifeform (swot) [01:26]
mircea_popescu "What are the Transhuman Goals in the near future? How can these Transhuman ideas permeate the mainstream? Are there ways Transhumanism can assert itself in the political sphere? How can Transhumanist ideas and innovations create a better world now, for billions of people on Earth?" [01:27]
mircea_popescu ahaha this is such a delicious target. [01:27]
mircea_popescu say timmy... anything you could do with these two burnt matcsticks TO CREATE A BETTER ALPHA CENTAURY FOR MILLIONS OF STARS IN THE GALAXI ?!?!? [01:27]
mircea_popescu "The conference begins with a “Meet & Greet” session from 12:15 – 1:00 pm, followed by speakers from 1:00 – 5:00. After the conference, participants will be encouraged to continue the discussion at a nearby bar (location announced at the event). The cost to attend the mini-conferences is only $20; only $15 for students, seniors, and people who travel more than 50 miles to get there. Tickets on sale at EventBrit [01:29]
mircea_popescu e HERE." << asciilifeform i doubt about that maxint. [01:29]
asciilifeform that's an imitator [01:29]
asciilifeform speaking of the 'genuine article' [01:29]
decimation only $20? what kind of scammer only asks for one yuppie foodstamp? [01:29]
asciilifeform ;;google singularity university [01:29]
gribble Singularity University | Solving Humanity's Grand Challenges: ; So, What is SU? | Singularity University: ; Graduate Studies Program | Singularity University: [01:29]
decimation asciilifeform: did you read about the new fucktarded appleism - the USB type C port? [01:30]
mircea_popescu that's accredited ? [01:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it isn't actually university-shaped [01:30]
asciilifeform more like reptilia's 'conference' thing [01:30]
mircea_popescu lolk [01:30]
asciilifeform decimation: aha, their dock connector [01:31]
mircea_popescu The Speaker List includes: Zoltan Istvan – 2016 US Presidential candidate of Transhumanist Party [01:31]
decimation yeah [01:31]
mircea_popescu fuck, i had no idea there's a transhumanist party. [01:31]
decimation apparently does 10 gpbs AND allows 100 watts of charge! [01:31]
mircea_popescu decimation you knew ?! [01:31]
mircea_popescu a nm. [01:31]
asciilifeform (apple released a machine which is entirely unusable without the dock gizmo) [01:31]
decimation later google et.al. jumped on the bandwagon [01:31]
decimation because it makes so much sense to have the same plug for your power port and your video signal [01:31]
asciilifeform and a retreat from the magnetic plug [01:32]
asciilifeform which (stolen from korean coffee pots) was the one good idea apple forced through the thick skulls of other vendors [01:32]
mircea_popescu i think the plan is to merge coaxial and power lines. [01:32]
mircea_popescu i gues tptb don't see fiber in the future of america. [01:32]
decimation magplug was a good idea for power [01:32]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: power-over-lan is sop among large indoor installations of whatever [01:33]
asciilifeform i have it even here [01:33]
decimation What I fear is new malwarez installed on your monitor! [01:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: on the other hand, data over mains cable is sop in eu [01:34]
decimation or your power supply. or whatever, because who the fuck knows what is going on in your uninspectible 10gbs bus [01:34]
asciilifeform works great to the nearest transformer booth (where you need an active amp) [01:34]
decimation data over mains cable is a terrible idea [01:34]
asciilifeform but even cheaper than 'brown fiber' (see earlier sewer article) [01:34]
decimation spams HF spectrum with nasty shit [01:34]
asciilifeform and hence doomed to happen [01:34]
mircea_popescu ^ [01:34]
decimation why is it so hard to run a fiber to a neighborhood data center [01:35]
asciilifeform decimation: digging rights [01:35]
mircea_popescu Speakers list : Maria Konovalenko & Mikhail Batin – Immortality Activists << http://maria-konovalenko.typepad.com/.a/6a01348002e89e970c01348542262a970c-pi [01:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDWiSw ) [01:35]
mircea_popescu "Hank Pellissier is the director of Brighter Brains Institute, and the producer of eight transhumanist conferences in 2013-2015." [01:36]
mircea_popescu i guess to the random eye this is === bitcoin [01:37]
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asciilifeform thiel (and possibly friends) seed it. the chumpatronium sustains. [01:37]
decimation asciilifeform: it's more than just digging rights. surely the majority of surban homeowners would be more than happy to make their own comcast if they could [01:37]
asciilifeform decimation: digging rights in throughfares. [01:37]
asciilifeform or what, proposing to connect the suburbanites to each other? [01:37]
asciilifeform works in ro where there were sentient lifeforms about, circa 1994 or when [01:38]
asciilifeform but usa? forget it [01:38]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah exactly that. for a few thousand bucks each, it would be trival to make a small neighborhood isp of great quality [01:38]
decimation but the probability that a given set of 100 homes in the the us would be occupied by owners so enlightened.. [01:39]
asciilifeform and of never having to traverse city land [01:39]
asciilifeform this is actually a problem in ukraine [01:39]
asciilifeform in odessa even [01:39]
mircea_popescu decimation this is exactly how ro internet worked, and the reason ro internet is today in the top 5 worldwide, with 4 azns : that pressure ten years ago [01:39]
asciilifeform where there is an eternal war between the electric and cable (internet) utils [01:39]
mircea_popescu and it cost 10s not 1000s of dollars [01:39]
asciilifeform like an actual war, with cut cables weekly [01:39]
mircea_popescu but i think alf has it : population of psychopaths. [01:40]
mircea_popescu it matters. [01:40]
decimation in the us, it is common for nearly all homes built after 1970 to be built upon land which is part of an 'hoa' [01:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly, some state authority or other decided to cut cables. the city hall nearly caught fire as a result, and the plan was discontinuied. [01:41]
decimation when you buy a home on such land, you automatically agree to whatever fucktarded idea was popular in 1982 [01:41]
mircea_popescu decimation no idea who'd build on land he didn't own, but hey. [01:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: by that token scarcely anyone on u.s. coasts owns land [01:42]
asciilifeform it is virtually wholly encumbered [01:42]
mircea_popescu http://maria-konovalenko.typepad.com/blog/2010/06/the-blocking-point.html << check out this transhumanist project. "let's pretend like we're valuable and have skills and people should be queing on our door to give us moneys" [01:43]
assbot The Blocking Point - Maria Konovalenko ... ( http://bit.ly/198DnSh ) [01:43]
decimation asciilifeform: even in middle america it's the same, on any newer home [01:43]
mircea_popescu quite entertaining. [01:43]
asciilifeform (not even speaking of taxation) [01:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, i don't own there. [01:43]
decimation you would quite literally need to buy a plot of farmland in the middle of nowhere [01:43]
decimation or some ghetto shack [01:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that vinge dood thinks progress in biology does not depend on computers ? [01:45]
mircea_popescu nuts. [01:45]
asciilifeform check the date. [01:45]
mircea_popescu 93 ? what of it ? [01:46]
asciilifeform the massive sequence alignment thing wasn't a going concern quite yet. [01:46]
mircea_popescu i thought he knew the future. [01:47]
asciilifeform the only american sf author who 'knew the future' was robert sheckley. [01:47]
asciilifeform or possibly philip dick. [01:47]
asciilifeform (saw as darker, more demented version of their own time, naturally) [01:47]
mircea_popescu heh. [01:47]
mircea_popescu accidentallyright.jpg [01:48]
nubbins` got the paranoia right anyway [01:48]
* BingoBoingo offers now that if any motherfucker named Dallas Cook is trying to dope me with malware I would advise stopping that felony. [01:48]
mircea_popescu anyway, you know those stories about how rich guy heard the paupers / shoeshine boys discuss stocks and bailed ? [01:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wai wat [01:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: yes! but can't recall where [01:48]
asciilifeform ancient legend [01:49]
mircea_popescu "Progress in computer hardware has followed an amazingly steady curve in the last few decades [17]." << by now moore';s law is currency in trading for everyine, from usgavin to vince whoever. [01:49]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:49]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I have no definiteive evidence, but I have obsrved trends [01:49]
mircea_popescu i am firmly persuaded that the wall's coming. [01:49]
mircea_popescu current computers are best computers, and fu humanity. [01:49]
asciilifeform clocked circuits are retarded [01:49]
asciilifeform (literally) [01:49]
asciilifeform and if you're building computers in the tens or hundreds rather than quajizillions quantities there is no reason not to use germanium, gallium arsenide, doped diamond, etc. chemistries [01:50]
mircea_popescu besides the point. here's mp's prediction : the computer that can be had for a one ounce of gold in 2025 will be inferior to the computer that can be had for an ounce of gold today, on computation measures. [01:50]
mircea_popescu because industrial infrastructure has been kept in new state by constant improvement. [01:51]
decimation mircea_popescu: you are betting against lithography? [01:51]
mircea_popescu once improvements go away, infrastructure starts to decay. [01:51]
BingoBoingo decimation: Lithograpy has limits [01:51]
mircea_popescu decimation litho is already dead, intel's cancelling narrower process etc. [01:51]
asciilifeform ^ if industrial collapse carries on, it will be difficult to imagine a computer of any description being constructed in 2025 other than out of 'junkyard wars' pieces [01:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform unrelated, that. obv it'd be of chinese make in any case. [01:51]
decimation I thought they were already on the path for 10 nm [01:52]
mircea_popescu look into it. [01:52]
mircea_popescu they were onthe path to, decided not to follow it. [01:52]
mircea_popescu 10nm is maybe not really happening. [01:52]
asciilifeform might expensive toy just to keep microshit alive another 2 yrs [01:52]
asciilifeform *mighty [01:52]
mircea_popescu and yes alf's right, the end of moore is also the end of ms, apple etc. [01:53]
mircea_popescu once people start having to optimize, the doocracies are dead. [01:53]
mircea_popescu kinda why poettering's in such a hurry, i guess. [01:53]
BingoBoingo Shame Sun's already dead [01:53]
mircea_popescu as if old code somehow gets forgotten or something, dunno. [01:53]
asciilifeform usg pours $maxint into optical logic, but nothing is publicly known re: what, if anything, ever came of it [01:53]
asciilifeform not for desktops of idiot tetris-playing dilberts, no [01:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform right. only failure can be kept from the public knowledge. [01:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The price of old RISC beasts already marches upwards [01:54]
asciilifeform any crowned head who has half a brain is sponsoring optical hasher. [01:54]
decimation http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/intel-forges-ahead-to-10nm-will-move-away-from-silicon-at-7nm/ < seems like they are still on path for 10 nm [01:55]
assbot Intel forges ahead to 10nm, will move away from silicon at 7nm | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDc94b ) [01:55]
decimation sounds like they are considering ascii's iii-v chemistry for 7nm [01:56]
asciilifeform intel surrendered to chumpification of the most abject kind, sells severely underclocked dies which temporarily 'turbo' up [01:56]
asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/bronx-man-confesses-to-laser-pointer-incident-after-cops-arrest-his-housemate << mega-lol yet again [01:57]
assbot Bronx man confesses to laser pointer incident after cops arrest his housemate | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDcIL2 ) [01:57]
mircea_popescu decimation from what i recall reading on teh topic, the 14nm process was a total debacle and 10nm is a theory only thing. [01:59]
* BingoBoingo is overflowing with Wintel hate atm [01:59]
BingoBoingo decimation from what i recall reading on teh topic, the 14nm process was a total debacle and 10nm is a theory only thing << This [01:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo: the basic mechanics here: wintel racket was powered, like many other similar idiocies, by the american 'fat' [02:00]
asciilifeform which is to say, it is not enough to con chumps, they must also have fat to be rendered for [02:00]
asciilifeform then they can go off to the shops and buy 'windows 95' because the cardboard waving hand says to (actual thing, saw alive, in '95) [02:00]
asciilifeform but the blow their fat disposable income on resulting new computer [02:00]
mircea_popescu decimation look at it this way : 14nm was demonstrated in memories cca 2005, intel shipped it in 2015. [02:00]
asciilifeform without which the idiot crud won't boot [02:01]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: And then you find old folks on the family tree to which you owe defference [02:01]
mircea_popescu 10nm was demonstrated... cca 2009 ? [02:01]
mircea_popescu it's not happening. [02:01]
asciilifeform without fat - nothing to power the engine [02:01]
decimation well, it certainly seems that we are at the edge of what silicon can yield [02:01]
mircea_popescu economically. [02:01]
asciilifeform the folks who are supposed to be buying new computer on microshit's say-so are short a benjie or two for rent this month [02:01]
mircea_popescu there's that big bitch in there. ~economically~. the cost for 10nm is alreadyu not covered by the density benefits [02:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: outside of a handful of 'naggums' - it was -never- justified [02:02]
asciilifeform virtually all computer users got vastly more actual 'bang for buck' in 1992 than today [02:03]
mircea_popescu hm ? [02:03]
mircea_popescu heh. think about bitcoin on pc xt [02:03]
asciilifeform not so far-fetched to picture it on pent1 [02:03]
decimation asciilifeform: yes, but not in terms of raw flops, when massaged properly [02:03]
asciilifeform we have essentially that on pogo [02:03]
decimation there's little doubt that man's ability to create tiny features on silicon has far outpaced his ability to do something useful with them [02:04]
asciilifeform while being one of the really not so many people who found it properly useful, i will still say that ultimately it was a side effect of a mega-scam [02:05]
decimation asciilifeform: what's 'it'? the pursuit of small features? [02:05]
brendafdez it was a side effect of a mega-scam << ? [02:05]
mircea_popescu point being, the trillions needed for 10nm and beyond aren't forthcoming and that's the end of this run. [02:05]
mircea_popescu which was a great run, a point that'll be made obvious by the anger of all the hanger-ons once itstops [02:06]
decimation whether 10nm is the stopping point or not, I agree that this is the ultimate end. exponentially increasing fab costs cannot abide forever [02:07]
mircea_popescu right. [02:07]
asciilifeform decimation: what's 'it' << the difference in cpu available to luser today vs. '92 [02:08]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah I think there's some truth to that - ultimately the vast majority of computer-purchasing money is 'dumb money' [02:09]
asciilifeform not merely this, but driven to be spent entirely by microshit's idiot 'operating system pr0gr3ss' [02:09]
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mircea_popescu with all this digitality of modernity, it turns out the postwar mobsters were eerily before their time. [08:23]
mircea_popescu "give us the money or we're taking your digits!" [08:23]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059532 << it is ? [08:29]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 05:13:40; asciilifeform: the helicopter is the symbol of statal power against the peon schmuck [08:29]
mircea_popescu maybe in vietnam. [08:29]
davout i'd tend to agree with asciilifeform, what are all these US police helicopter-chase shows for if not for clearly asserting that "there's nowhere to run" ? [08:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059539 << same's said of sailing. meanwhile most people sailing or flying independently are actually poor, mostly on account of rich people not wanting to take that sort of risk. [08:30]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 05:15:29; asciilifeform: but soon it was clear even to imbeciles that flying was an aristocrat's (or totalitarian thug enforcer's...) game. [08:30]
mircea_popescu davout but then again, they don't have to be FOR something. they may well just be BECAUSE of something, that something being "we got a helicopter" [08:31]
davout flying *is* pretty awesome :D [08:31]
mircea_popescu that in turn being because helicopters exist in the first place. [08:31]
mircea_popescu im sure driving a car is pretty awesome to fish, and for the same reason : "mamma mia if i crash this tank im fucked" [08:31]
davout does anyone know that pilot joke? "how do you know someone's a pilot?" [08:31]
mircea_popescu how ? [08:32]
davout he'll tell you [08:32]
mircea_popescu lol. [08:32]
mircea_popescu anyway, last fucking job you want in a conflict zone is flying the helicopters. [08:32]
mircea_popescu only job to score consistently under tradecraft for security. [08:33]
cazalla too many people were all "lulz, i lazered the pilot" here in australia so anything over 1mw.. banned [08:34]
mircea_popescu ... 1 mw ?! [08:34]
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mircea_popescu oh oh mW not MW [08:35]
cazalla ya sorry, milliwatt [08:35]
mircea_popescu i was like omfg australia, large spiders, larger lasers. [08:35]
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cazalla people were lulz lazering athletes at games too [08:36]
davout lelz, lasering pilots is so fucking retarded [08:36]
cazalla davout, yeah.. they coined it "lazer attacks" [08:36]
cazalla example http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/citys-worst-laser-attacks-on-aircraft/2008/03/29/1206207485440.html [08:36]
assbot City's worst laser attacks on aircraft - Travel - smh.com.au ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjGJnj ) [08:36]
davout it's like everyone in the sky gets pissed at you, while the laserer conveniently gives a massive arrow pointing to his sorry ass [08:37]
mircea_popescu does calling it "attacks" make it moar important ? [08:37]
davout it *is* pretty dangerous [08:37]
cazalla everyone had these fucking things circa 2008, all from dx.com [08:38]
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mircea_popescu "These gutless and cowardly attacks have to be stopped," he said. "I am preparing a proposal to cabinet to consider making these items a prohibited weapon." [08:38]
mircea_popescu davout it is ? [08:38]
davout just like retards flying drones in restricted airspace are dangerous as well [08:38]
mircea_popescu the drones i can actually see. [08:38]
cazalla mircea_popescu, the pollie that said that got busted for gay sex like a year later, clearly didn't want to play ball anymore (or did) [08:38]
mircea_popescu they're sort-of like turkeys, which have caused problems in the past, so planes have been shielded against them, so it no longer matters. [08:39]
mircea_popescu so they don't actually do anything, so nevermind. [08:39]
davout mircea_popescu: i hang around a bit on /r/flying, also watched a few vids of ATPs being lasered and yes, it does look pretty dangerous [08:39]
mircea_popescu not the original statement hm ? [08:39]
chetty humans, more and more clever ways to commit mayhem on each other. [08:39]
davout and it's not like you'll get lasered at high altitudes with the PA on and your cock in some flight attendant's mouth, you'll get lasered when approaching [08:40]
mircea_popescu davout and your windows won't protect you, because... antiglare's not been invented. [08:41]
mircea_popescu what do they do in the sun ? [08:41]
davout it will illuminate the cockpit, blind you, will take your mind off of your checklist [08:41]
mircea_popescu drop down those flaps like they have in the car ? [08:41]
mircea_popescu it won't fucking blind you. [08:41]
mircea_popescu it will iluminate the cockpit less than what fucking police lights do. [08:41]
davout my cessna has these flaps you speak of :D [08:42]
mircea_popescu what next, this is a legitimate car crash reason ? "police lights illuminated my cockpit your honor. let the police dept pay." [08:42]
cazalla damn, that is not a half bad idea [08:42]
mircea_popescu yw. [08:42]
fluffypony lol [08:42]
mircea_popescu "omaigawd stuffwas illuminated, i totally lost my trtain of thought. o look, unicorns!!1" [08:42]
mircea_popescu anyway, all this beating around the bush. here's to making the penis a dangerous weapon. [08:43]
cazalla the trajectory of the sun combined with the police lights and lazer mounted drone caused me to run down mr gavin by accident [08:43]
davout you don't want to miss shit on your checklist [08:44]
mircea_popescu no, you don't. so don't miss shit on your fucking checklist. [08:44]
* cazalla points green lazer at davout.. lol lazered [08:44]
mircea_popescu now, mind you, i'm the first to agree the lasers are fucking annyoing and the idiots wielding them need better hobbies. [08:45]
mircea_popescu but those facts don't make derpy lasers "weapons" and etc etc. [08:45]
davout "Pilots unanimously say that the effect of a laser-pen's beam in the cockpit is very similar to the effect of a car's high-beam headlights at a short distance -- it blinds you. The decision-making time before a landing is only 10 critical seconds, pilots say -- and these moments are not to fight green laser beams, but to make critically important decisions. " [08:45]
davout https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI7Qq1mYQlI [08:45]
assbot 'Laser attack' caught on tape: View from plane cockpit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjH1dT ) [08:45]
davout not saying that this is a good reason to forbid lasers, i'm saying they can be pretty dangerous [08:47]
mircea_popescu davout but that's not the cockpit, that's the cam. [08:47]
cazalla the australian law, at least as i see it, was more them saying, ok you've had your fun but no more of this please [08:47]
mircea_popescu and if maximally zoomed (looks about 16x) it very briefly shines. [08:47]
davout if that's the effect on the cam, it's not a complete stretch to say that you can believe pilots when they say it's blinding [08:47]
mircea_popescu pretty much exactly consistent with what i[ve been saying last time we did this laser thing [08:48]
davout and you have a larger view later on the video [08:48]
mircea_popescu well if you've ever used cams, it actually is, yes. [08:48]
Adlai you could achieve a similar effect against drivers with a cheap camera + servos aiming it... let's ban all electronics! [08:48]
davout it's unclear to me why pilots would make that up [08:48]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034826 << problem, blockchain on disk depends on the order in which it saw those 'orphans' [08:48]
assbot Logged on 26-02-2015 21:23:55; asciilifeform: if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct. [08:48]
mircea_popescu davout pilots did not make anything up. they say it's fucking annoying. im sure it is. [08:48]
davout instead of putting their shades on and shrugging it off [08:48]
mircea_popescu then bureaucrat drones are going on about weapons and whatnot, with nary a clue about anything but what could be persuasively argued to a mostly clueless public. [08:49]
mircea_popescu this is fine as far as the system goes, it's own "democratic" logic, et all. [08:49]
mircea_popescu but it's still ridoinculous. [08:49]
mircea_popescu davout you ever been with a group of professionals ? [08:49]
davout professionals in what field? aeronautics? [08:49]
mircea_popescu when met with any novel thing, the bulk will shrug and carry on, the 19% marginals will yak about it, [08:49]
mircea_popescu because it distracts from a discussion about how they suck, and people should fire them [08:50]
mircea_popescu in any fucking field. [08:50]
cazalla ima firen mah lazer [08:51]
mircea_popescu Adlai i suppose he meant bitwise identical star, to be translated as, same txn [08:51]
Adlai hm? [08:51]
mircea_popescu "if ends up with bitwise identical* blockchain" [08:51]
davout i think you underestimate the danger of having a laser pointed at you when you're doing an approach [08:52]
Adlai what [i think] you want is identical answers to whether a transaction is valid [08:52]
mircea_popescu davout that may be true. [08:52]
mircea_popescu Adlai you want the same exact set of transactions to have been accepted. [08:52]
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mircea_popescu davout but it turns out, stuff like aegis cruisers don't have lasers installed to blind enemy pilots, dropped chaff isn't tiny shining laser pointers etc. [08:54]
mircea_popescu as far as weaponry goes, let's look at you know, weaponry. [08:54]
davout that's kind of like saying "if banana peels are dangerous, why don't the US marines carry them around" :D [08:55]
Adlai why aren't the terrorists yelling fire in crowded theatresL [08:55]
mircea_popescu the discussion wasn't if this is annoying or not, but whether the drone droning about weapons had a point. at least in my head. [08:55]
mircea_popescu wouldja say banana peels are weapons or something ? [08:56]
mircea_popescu for that matter, suppose some asshole runs around throwing banana peels right before people. and he gets busted for "assault with a dangerous weapon". [08:56]
davout they can be deadly if strategically placed [08:56]
mircea_popescu you gonna make that charge stick ? [08:56]
davout naaah [08:56]
mircea_popescu good cause there's all sorts of instructional videos on how to defend yourself. [08:57]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w [08:57]
assbot Monty Python - Self-Defense Against Fruit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjHo8d ) [08:57]
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davout look, i'm not arguing that because they are annoying and potentially dangerous to aircrafts that gives a justification to anyone to forbid them, simply stating that retards will be retards, and annoy pilots in a sensitive flight phase [08:57]
mircea_popescu anyway, i suppose the difference between "this is slightly annoying' and "this is terrorism" has long been lost. [08:58]
Adlai so maybe, lobbyists looking for lobbies to lob should try to get all aircraft windows tinted [08:58]
davout mircea_popescu: sure [08:58]
davout few days ago in france: "terrorism is bad, let's lower the limit for cash payments from 3000 to 1000€" [08:59]
mircea_popescu heh. [08:59]
mircea_popescu no but seriously, someone could use 3k euros to buy a proper rifle + bullets. [08:59]
mircea_popescu 1k euros not enough for this. [08:59]
mircea_popescu course inflation'd have naturally fixed that over time. [09:00]
mircea_popescu (anyone notice how those "limits" are not yearly indexed, like govt pensions ?) [09:00]
davout "thank you for this kalashnikov, may i have my receipt" [09:00]
mircea_popescu davout are you intimating the bureaucracy's ineffective because it lives in its own world anyway ? [09:00]
cazalla they're trying to push through mandatory sentencing for weapons here down under.. 5 years for trafficking hand guns etc [09:00]
mircea_popescu fucking french terrorists. [09:01]
mircea_popescu cazalla "mandatory sentencing" is the most ridiculous perversion of justice ever. [09:01]
mircea_popescu essentially stalin's administrative powers thing. [09:01]
cazalla someone is breaking into my home.. best i call the police to come in 10m time because law does not permit me to own a shot gun to blast the cunt in seconds [09:01]
davout cazalla: BLAST IT WITH PISS [09:01]
cazalla davout, not even mine is big enough to kill loaded with booze [09:02]
mircea_popescu cazalla why not use lasers ? [09:02]
mircea_popescu now i understand finally the crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle bit. [09:03]
mircea_popescu all those tactical lights ARE REALLY WEAPONS [09:03]
davout mircea_popescu: to be honest, a strategically banana peel might be more effective in this particular case [09:03]
davout *placed [09:03]
mircea_popescu lol [09:03]
mircea_popescu ;;google guy that crossed atlantic in a barrel died in new york, slipping on banana peel [09:03]
gribble Banana split: Worker peels back skin to find two fruits in one | Daily ...: ; The appeal of peel: The surprising ways fruit and veg skins can work ...: ; (1 more message) [09:03]
mircea_popescu ^ real event. [09:03]
cazalla lazer illegal, plastic knife illegal (if used as weapon), baseball bat also illegal if kept in bedroom because no legitimate reason to keep it there, must fetch from car and come back to bedroom to beat off attacker [09:03]
mircea_popescu cazalla doesn't sound like much of a country does it ? [09:04]
mircea_popescu what the fuck "not much reason to keep it there". what fucking reason does uninvited third party have to be in your bedroom ? [09:04]
mircea_popescu let's start with that. [09:04]
cazalla not "not much reason" but no reason, why would a law abiding citizen keep his sporting equipment under the bed? surely it is in garage with the rest of the foosballs etc [09:05]
mircea_popescu because the wife's a stretcher ? [09:05]
davout cazalla: mebbe it's for butseks [09:05]
mircea_popescu seriously, nobody run the endless reels of "woman fucks baseball bat" for the court on that one ? [09:05]
mircea_popescu talk about dropping the ball. [09:05]
cazalla i could've claimed so with the ex gf but not this woman [09:05]
mircea_popescu so she's training for it. [09:06]
davout "she's starting by getting used to the bat's presence your honor" [09:06]
cazalla ex could've taken 2 tbh [09:06]
cazalla she was a champ like that [09:06]
mircea_popescu what, one in butt one in cunt, then walk on them ? [09:08]
mircea_popescu that'd be an act. [09:08]
cazalla nah 2 in cunt, guess 1 in the ass too [09:08]
cazalla damn, she was the best lay but would've made for a shitty mother [09:08]
mircea_popescu this is why one needs pairs. [09:08]
cazalla dependent on bitcoin, goes up enough, i have a place or two for such women [09:09]
cazalla as it is atm, no can do [09:09]
mircea_popescu well what's the rush. [09:09]
mircea_popescu gotta be unable to get it up, first. [09:10]
cazalla well, isnt any atm [09:10]
mircea_popescu then you can make comments to them about their black boyfriends and we can ostracize you and take your stadium away. [09:10]
davout hahaha [09:10]
mircea_popescu cazalla how do you know the shitty mother bit btw ? [09:10]
mircea_popescu afaik reformed whores make the best mothers. [09:10]
cazalla mircea_popescu, because she fucked around with shit like tramadol [09:11]
mircea_popescu ... [09:11]
cazalla she was fucking useless for anything else but sex [09:11]
mircea_popescu wait. how do you fuck around with antipyretics ?! [09:11]
cazalla a kid would be lucky to get 1 meal a day with such a woman [09:11]
mircea_popescu o wait, that's the opioid huh. [09:11]
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cazalla i dunno, never tried it, she use to steal it from work place [09:12]
mircea_popescu well, reformed was in there for a reason. [09:13]
cazalla well i wouldn't know seeing i didn't stick around to find out [09:13]
cazalla i thought the naive virginal conservative wife would make for the best mother [09:13]
cazalla i made my bed, so now i sleep in it [09:13]
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mircea_popescu conservatives don't make very good parents for that reason. kinda why nature put all the poop in the process, make sure it gets a fair shot. [09:14]
cazalla all the 10 inched black boyfriends in the world wouldn't make any difference for some types of women anyway [09:14]
mircea_popescu is 10 inches big or small these days ? [09:15]
mircea_popescu i've not been following the internet conversation. [09:15]
cazalla seems to be the average, but i dunno [09:15]
mircea_popescu average in what, horses ? [09:16]
cazalla i have nfi, too much to drink [09:17]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059635 << which is the manual ? [09:18]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 05:46:33; trinque: which... not the behavior in the manual [09:18]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059683 << eh get out srsly. it doesn't get any more random and unintentional than that. [09:23]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 06:06:35; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The worst part is I know this had to have been targetted. Someone had to spend a non-trivial amount of time. I suspect a partcular name and yet... [09:23]
cazalla i tried to convince him of such in PM yet.. he convinced me drinking was a good idea (ok not really, not like i need much encouragement) [09:25]
mircea_popescu in other news, derpy mcsweater-glass and his two nude friends : http://40.media.tumblr.com/c3b9d92eacede7d95def9d6ee99f578b/tumblr_myjsgrcYzT1rjqog4o1_1280.jpg [09:25]
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mircea_popescu cazalla lol you two need to stop drinking and buy coins from the proceeds. [09:26]
mircea_popescu end up richest dudes in b-a. [09:27]
cazalla i've prob pissed away 2-3k the past 12-18 months on booze [09:28]
mircea_popescu ah, nm, that's not so bad [09:28]
mircea_popescu i think i spent about the same. [09:28]
cazalla could be more, could be less, just a guestimate [09:28]
cazalla let's see [09:29]
Adlai 2-3k << ozd? [09:29]
mircea_popescu five bucks a day, that's like what, a drink. [09:30]
cazalla $60x78=4680 so sorta in range [09:30]
mircea_popescu you're supposed to drink that much just to keep the shit from migrating to your head. [09:30]
cazalla acutally i quit for years, sober as a judge [09:30]
mircea_popescu cazalla you ever seen "some came running" ? [09:31]
cazalla of course, i would not be rotting away where i will be monday if i remained sober lol [09:31]
cazalla nope [09:32]
mircea_popescu dean martin is this total drunk, and at some point he says to sinatra [09:32]
mircea_popescu "you know ever since you quit drinking you've been insufferable ?!" [09:32]
cazalla i prolly was, only took it up again a month or so before missus had baby [09:33]
cazalla in fact, i would harp on to my brother, who i lived with at the time, that he needed to quit drinking [09:33]
mircea_popescu did he ? [09:34]
cazalla not sure tbh, we didn't speak for a few years, only recently began talking again [09:34]
cazalla i assume he drinks though given he's back at the parents and god knows they drink [09:34]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059745 << ru chicks will take over the world. [09:35]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 06:30:59; brendafdez: There I fell in love with a Russian girl, it was in 2008, it was awesome that we'd both speak with each other in a language that was foreign for both, felt special, like being in bitcoin these days (? [09:35]
cazalla geei hope not, can't say ruski women do it for me [09:36]
cazalla even the bond goldeneye girls were meh [09:36]
mircea_popescu ever had one ? [09:36]
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cazalla well no, but [09:37]
cazalla i did work with a short haired ruski chick [09:37]
mircea_popescu well don't knock it fore you've... uh. you know. [09:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059746 << you know that's the wrong way to go about the wife business. if you just want a cheap one the cheapest wife you could ever get is no wife at all. [09:37]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 06:32:38; *: BingoBoingo kinda wants to it the phils before .ar to pick up a cheap wife [09:37]
cazalla mircea_popescu, not many down under, not like i'll ever leave [09:39]
cazalla so unless they come here.. [09:39]
mircea_popescu brendafdez: The fact that people here see the US as the land of freedom really boggles the mind.<< they believe teh movies. [09:39]
cazalla plenty of chinese [09:39]
mircea_popescu cazalla used to know this chick, eventualy gave up teh life married some guy went to melbourne [09:39]
mircea_popescu im sure there's plenty in ozland. [09:39]
cazalla melbourne sucks [09:40]
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cazalla not even sure why pete would waste his time coming to this shit hole [09:40]
mircea_popescu most everyone lives there neh ? [09:40]
cazalla there is nothing redeeming about it at all [09:40]
cazalla mircea_popescu, and sydney, yeah [09:40]
cazalla both are shit [09:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059755 << will = liebe ? [09:41]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 06:37:57; trinque: ICH WILL DICH [09:41]
mircea_popescu or wtf's that suppost to be [09:41]
cazalla they tear down anything old and replace it with modern architecture, and what they can't pull down completely, they subert the old by merging the new into it [09:41]
cazalla anyway, tasmania is best australia [09:42]
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mircea_popescu lmao this log. im bashing this shit [09:43]
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nubbins` http://www.lasersafetyfacts.com/resources/Laser-hazard-distance-chart.pdf [09:43]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJ0Pa ) [09:43]
nubbins` TIL mp doesn't think lazers in yr eyes are bad ;/ [09:43]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSxDHW2MvBw [09:44]
assbot Seinfeld — Puerto Rican Day: The Apartment (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJ5Co ) [09:44]
nubbins` mircea_popescu:for that matter, suppose some asshole runs around throwing banana peels right before people. and he gets busted for "assault with a dangerous weapon". <<< now you're just shoehorning [09:46]
mircea_popescu that's a thing ? [09:46]
nubbins` sure is [09:46]
mircea_popescu "Shoehorning is a ploy used by psychics, or religious apologetic or other charlatans, as a way to make it sound like their prophecies or those of earlier prophets had come true. " [09:47]
mircea_popescu o.O [09:47]
mircea_popescu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoehorning << notwithstanding the bad grammar, that's one of the more representative wikipedia articles i dare say. [09:48]
assbot Shoehorning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJfK8 ) [09:48]
mircea_popescu nubbins` anyway, why ? [09:48]
nubbins` idk about wikitardia definition, but you're just being pedantic 8) [09:49]
nubbins` suppose the asshole leaves a banana peel at the top of the stairs [09:49]
nubbins` "wasn't a weapon, whatcha gonna do" [09:49]
mircea_popescu exactly. [09:49]
mircea_popescu what, you expect the law to intervene ? [09:49]
nubbins` before the fact? c'est impossible [09:50]
mircea_popescu before or after, [09:50]
mircea_popescu or in the commerce of bannanas. [09:50]
nubbins` isn't this much less circuitous than the original discussion 8) [09:51]
nubbins` but i guess you're more of a journey guy than a destination guy, hey [09:51]
mircea_popescu well i dunno lol. i tend to follow. [09:51]
nubbins` unrelated, i *just* clued into the mad hatter's hat from TTLG [09:52]
nubbins` http://www.gutenberg.org/files/114/114-h/images/alice38a.gif [09:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJmp8 ) [09:52]
mircea_popescu ;;ud ttlg [09:52]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=through+the+looking+glass | Similar to the twilight zone, where nothing is quite what it seems. In Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass book, it can mean clocks that work... [09:52]
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nubbins` last 33 years: "why does his hat say 10/6?" [09:53]
nubbins` today: "wat, it says 'in this style' above it? o" [09:53]
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mircea_popescu it's 10 shillings and 6pence. [09:54]
nubbins` nod [09:54]
nubbins` i did not have this knowledge last i read it ;/ [09:54]
mircea_popescu so you figurted out british coin notations from "in this style" ? [09:55]
nubbins` stumbled across £sd notation a couple months ago [09:56]
nubbins` and today, stumbled across the mad hatter again [09:56]
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nubbins` mircea_popescu understand that this is akin to discovering jam is made from berries [09:57]
cazalla ty nubbins` fucking power out and i'm too drunk/tired to ferry shit back and forth over usb [09:57]
nubbins` i'm floored here [09:57]
nubbins` anyway bbl COSTCO [09:57]
cazalla is that where you get bulk corn sizzurp? (they got costco's here now) [09:58]
cazalla in fact, they have a costco just a few streets away from here, not that i've been.. pay for membership? fuck that, costco drastically underestimates australian refusal to pay for membershits [09:59]
mircea_popescu the romanian bulk supplier (metro) just wants you to have a company. [10:00]
nubbins` bulk vanilla extract too [10:00]
nubbins` srsly, 1L for the same price as the little tiny bottles the groc store sells [10:00]
mircea_popescu no wait, wrong one. selgros. [10:01]
nubbins` cazalla if you shop at costco ~3-4 times in a year, you're ahead [10:01]
cazalla nubbins`, doubt they sell what i buy [10:01]
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nubbins` you don't buy food? [10:01]
cazalla of course i do [10:01]
mircea_popescu cazalla it's improbable. generally wholesalers carry everything everyone else carries + more + they sell it cheaper + they deliver. [10:02]
cazalla sure, if you don't mind eating shit shipped in from china [10:02]
mircea_popescu mno. [10:02]
cazalla mm tasty bleached ass garlic, make it nice and white like snow white herself [10:02]
mircea_popescu well it's not for produce, yo. [10:03]
cazalla then wtf would u buy from a place like costco? [10:03]
mircea_popescu well costco i never used, but in general cash & carry is where you buy a whole round cheese, that's actually grana padano etc. [10:04]
nubbins` costco actually sells top quality produce [10:04]
cazalla i get my meet/veg/fruit from local who supposedly provides australian grown produce (i am not so naive to believe that some scheming fuckers didn't figure out they could import shit from china and just label it grown in australia but what can you do) [10:05]
nubbins` best meat shop in the city too [10:05]
nubbins` anyway bbl [10:05]
mircea_popescu cazalla ok, meat comes from butcher, produce from grocer. these you don't buy at the warehouse, as there's really no need to warehouse them. but what about everything else ? [10:05]
cazalla for other speciality shit, i use farmhousedirect.com.au [10:05]
mircea_popescu the stuff that's usually called "colonials" ? the stuff that has to be impoirted 5000 miles away ? [10:06]
cazalla like what? give an example [10:06]
mircea_popescu so they carry filippo berio olive oil ? [10:06]
cazalla i use australian grown olive oil and macadamia oil [10:06]
mircea_popescu rio mare salmon paste ? [10:06]
cazalla we got salmon growing down tasmania [10:07]
chetty L&P [10:07]
cazalla farmed, but still [10:07]
mircea_popescu a whole range of french (president ?) and italian cheeses ? [10:07]
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cazalla got the wog deli en masse [10:07]
danielpbarron height=288329 vs height=213141 [10:07]
mircea_popescu cazalla well then you don't need it. [10:08]
cazalla i can't imagine for a second that even if costco had this sorta food down under, that it would actually be cheaper or better quality [10:08]
mircea_popescu this is exactly the sort of doubt fit for an experiment. [10:09]
mircea_popescu i used your deli model in the us, and the cash & carry in ro. it all depends on the place really. [10:09]
cazalla then they can pay me to experiement [10:09]
cazalla the only people i see waddling into the costco here at fat asses [10:10]
cazalla and they sure as fuck are not spending good money on good food [10:10]
mircea_popescu that's not a bad heuristic. [10:10]
mircea_popescu "shop for food where people who look like you want to look shop for food" [10:10]
cazalla i show you last weeks order [10:11]
cazalla and then you fkn tell me if u get this shit at costco [10:11]
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mircea_popescu cat's got a thread! http://41.media.tumblr.com/7fc849c6bbc1b7bac3f2c13871445b8e/tumblr_mmap4wrUGR1r2x6jpo1_1280.jpg [10:11]
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mircea_popescu cazalla i have nfi what costco carries. [10:12]
chetty ever been to a costco MP? [10:12]
mircea_popescu maybe. [10:13]
mircea_popescu i dun actually recall. [10:13]
cazalla that usually means yes in my experience [10:13]
cazalla my missus tries the same shit.. oh i can't remember [10:13]
chetty hahah well its kaufland X3 [10:13]
cazalla pls suck my dick costco and get the fuck out of my country with your made in china shit http://imgur.com/GgNi88n,twFcl5s,ABxl80G,BAl6CMj,xl80E2E [10:14]
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mircea_popescu chetty i imagine so. [10:14]
mircea_popescu cazalla omfg what is this, the sin of going into places ? [10:15]
mircea_popescu i don't recall if i ever had macadamia oil or not, either. [10:15]
mircea_popescu i guess i'll have to try this now. [10:15]
cazalla it's good shit [10:15]
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cazalla the nuts are very creamy, and the oil is great for frying anything that is crumbed, like chicken [10:21]
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mircea_popescu i don't do so much frying myself. [10:23]
cazalla fair enough, but i fry the fuck out of everything [10:25]
cazalla well not reary but i am partial to crumbed chicken fried the fuck out [10:26]
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Adlai !up cazalla [10:27]
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danielpbarron !up bhcoins this is you? -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=794678.msg8948683#msg8948683 [10:37]
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chetty highway robbery I tell ya, spen 83 pesos at the grocery [10:38]
danielpbarron most of my expenses are for food [10:38]
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mircea_popescu "Why are the coins dated 2013 :/ because we designed and minted them last year, but we could assemble them last month.." [10:41]
mircea_popescu how do you assemble coins ?! [10:41]
danielpbarron there's a newer model i just found, but w/e [10:41]
danielpbarron "If you want to resell them, either include a hologram so that the buyer can generate a new private key or just don't assemble the coin." << what on earth is the point then? [10:44]
cazalla anyway going to bed, but i request la serenissima bequeath me the state of Tasmania so as to use it to grow the best shit [10:44]
mircea_popescu enjoy c man [10:45]
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davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060168 <<< president is french. it's shit though. would probably even be legal in uslandia [11:05]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 13:02:49; mircea_popescu: a whole range of french (president ?) and italian cheeses ? [11:05]
mircea_popescu davout sorta minimum level of camembert i can live with. [11:07]
davout fair enough [11:07]
mircea_popescu but im going to forcefeed you "industria argentina" camembert just to make this point. [11:07]
davout tbh, what's the most important with camembert, is to not eat too early when it's not "made" [11:08]
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davout obviously it doesn't go in the fridge either [11:08]
mats danielpbarron: do a public service and tell those people holos can be beaten [11:09]
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danielpbarron it doesn't sound like anyone is using those things for more than a novelty; they aren't even funding the things for fear of depreciating value [11:12]
mircea_popescu meanwhile over at decadence camp, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhxrh6pprt1qbujxso1_1280.jpg [11:13]
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mircea_popescu davout also helps if it's not made out of tyres. [11:14]
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pete_dushenski top o' the mornin' ! [11:22]
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pete_dushenski cazalla: not even sure why pete would waste his time coming to this shit hole << being a tourist =! being a resident [11:25]
pete_dushenski despite the crazy minimum wage and resulting cost of food, australia is perfectly enjoyable place to visit for a few weeks. [11:26]
pete_dushenski beautiful architecture, wildlife galore [11:27]
pete_dushenski by the standards of la serenissima, most everywhere is full of stupidheads derping about with delusions of self-importance [11:28]
pete_dushenski australia isn't markedly worse than canada and in many ways preferable. [11:29]
pete_dushenski cazalla: your opa could've come here just as well and you wouldn't have been necessarily better off [11:30]
pete_dushenski yet by the measures of most of the world, this is still 'the land of milk and honey' [11:30]
pete_dushenski if one ends up here, today, wherever they're from was a successful stepping stone. [11:31]
pete_dushenski and couldn't have been otherwise. [11:32]
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pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/20/the-straw-that-broke-twitters-back/ [11:38]
assbot The straw that broke Twitter’s back. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/199pdAs ) [11:38]
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thestringpuller oh a pete_dushenski [11:39]
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pete_dushenski heya dude [11:39]
pete_dushenski ^tis right there for ya [11:40]
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pete_dushenski me, saying sayonara to social media [11:40]
* kakobrekla just returned from his fiat bank - what a terrible experience. [11:40]
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pete_dushenski kakobrekla: ikr! [11:41]
pete_dushenski went with a friend who wanted 6 months of statements from her pc [11:41]
pete_dushenski because of course, they weren't available online [11:41]
mircea_popescu !up FrankU [11:42]
-assbot- You voiced FrankU for 30 minutes. [11:42]
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pete_dushenski so at the branch, they charge her $xx and then tell her that the statements can't be printed out then and there and have to go to another city for review, then they'll be shipped to the branch, then she'll have to come back and pick them up [11:42]
pete_dushenski my jaw hit the floor. [11:43]
pete_dushenski this, for some simple bank statements [11:43]
kakobrekla sounds about right. [11:43]
mircea_popescu scam. [11:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15845 @ 0.00030622 = 4.8521 BTC [+] [11:44]
pete_dushenski seriously, reminded me of the spa lady health club scam [11:45]
mircea_popescu dude, check it out, pete_dushenski was punished by the holy redditard empire for his murdersome streak. [11:45]
mircea_popescu either that or just got bored. [11:45]
pete_dushenski i like the sound of 'murderous streak' [11:45]
pete_dushenski *murdersome [11:46]
pete_dushenski pass some of dat murder [11:46]
pete_dushenski o hey nasdaq 5k. again. [11:47]
mircea_popescu "with stun guns on mounted on their heads" [11:47]
pete_dushenski ef. [11:49]
pete_dushenski fixed. ty! [11:49]
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mats S&P is quite high too... [11:50]
mircea_popescu time to meet teh parents http://40.media.tumblr.com/b3b451526b36c461256b93216a70a44b/tumblr_mhpfg9rNk21rln4dzo1_1280.jpg [11:50]
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mats must be the cheap petrol. [11:51]
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danielpbarron http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150320130957 [11:55]
assbot OpenSSH 6.8 Released ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdTkat ) [11:55]
danielpbarron Add FingerprintHash option to ssh(1) and sshd(8), and equivalent command-line flags to the other tools to control algorithm used for key fingerprints. The default changes from MD5 to SHA256 and format from hex to base64. [11:55]
pete_dushenski also fixed footnote ii in that last one. i'm asleep at the wheel here. [11:56]
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danielpbarron with you off twitter, that puts me in the #2 spot for WoT user with most followers? [11:58]
pete_dushenski behind... ? [11:58]
danielpbarron !gettrust assbot copumpkin [11:59]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user copumpkin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/copumpkin | http://w.b-a.link/user/copumpkin [11:59]
pete_dushenski "A bug bounty hunter, Laxman Muthiyah, discovered a critical flaw in the Facebook Photo Sync feature and Facebook API that could allow any third-party app to access your personal photos from the hidden Facebook Photo Sync album." << lel that sm. [11:59]
pete_dushenski ah https://twitter.com/copumpkin [12:00]
assbot Dan P (@copumpkin) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoMZAM ) [12:00]
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pete_dushenski danielpbarron: of the regulars though, you're #1 ! [12:00]
danielpbarron ah wait, ageis also has more :< [12:00]
danielpbarron and jyap [12:01]
pete_dushenski quality, not quantity, is the name of the game. [12:01]
pete_dushenski remove thee from the bezzle-mindedness [12:01]
PeterL what percentage of your followers are people you have never actually met in person? [12:01]
danielpbarron is this some "irc != irl" thing? [12:02]
danielpbarron who cares if i've met them? [12:02]
PeterL have you met everyone on irc? [12:02]
PeterL I was just curious? [12:02]
danielpbarron no [12:02]
danielpbarron i've met kyuupichan [12:03]
danielpbarron that's it [12:03]
PeterL my facebook is 100% people I know irl, my twitter is more like 5% [12:04]
danielpbarron that is, he's the one guy in here that i didn't know outside of b-a and have met him in person [12:04]
danielpbarron i think my twitter followers are higher quality than my facebook friends [12:05]
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danielpbarron this is real life. right in here. [12:06]
danielpbarron this is more real than most of the stuff people say "in person" [12:06]
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mod6 ya, irc has no substitutes [12:11]
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thestringpuller lol without IRC this would be a BBS (in som alternate reality) [12:24]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron> this is more real than most of the stuff people say "in person" << well yeah but that's more a function of how boring most people are. [12:33]
thestringpuller http://imgur.com/VB7m7nq << >:( [12:39]
bitstein So, guys, how's the weather? [12:39]
PeterL springy [12:39]
pete_dushenski bitstein: spring yesterday, snow dump today, cake tomorrow [12:43]
bitstein pete_dushenski: birthday? [12:44]
pete_dushenski nah, soviet joke lol [12:44]
chetty cake is always tomorrow [12:45]
PeterL the cake is a lie [12:45]
pete_dushenski nah, tomorrow is a lie [12:46]
bitstein https://i.imgur.com/4tbzb7a.jpg [12:46]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FKNzNU ) [12:46]
pete_dushenski if only tomorrow could be today, then cake ! [12:46]
pete_dushenski bitstein: ayup [12:46]
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Naphex o/ [13:16]
Naphex mircea_popescu: http://www.romania-insider.com/mcoin/144725/ looks like you got cited :D [13:16]
assbot Romanian sells house for 55,000 Mcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExDTSJ ) [13:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00030019 = 11.8125 BTC [+] [13:18]
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fluffypony wtf is an Mcoi [13:20]
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fluffypony *Mcoin [13:20]
Naphex some MLM Ponzi scheme that has been hypeing in Romania lately [13:20]
Naphex http://trilema.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codru%C8%9Ba-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/ [13:20]
assbot Catre Ministerul Afacerilor Interne. In atentia d-lor Gheorghe Nicolae, Petre Toba, Bondar Marin si d-nei Laura Codruța Kövesi : Dvs stiati ca angajatii dvs se ocupa cu frauda pe Internet ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7h1A ) [13:20]
trinque sorry davout, I changed the syntax on you [13:23]
trinque in teh logs [13:23]
trinque !up deedbot- [13:24]
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trinque deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3QD6MT5.txt [13:24]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [13:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7ody ) [13:24]
trinque donk [13:24]
trinque shall go out at the hour [13:25]
mats http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/nyregion/mark-strand-80-dies-pulitzer-winning-poet-laureate.html [13:38]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7Zfr ) [13:38]
trinque mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059635 << which is the manual ? << tried geting rid of that colon by making the bot parse all messages for commands, not just highlights, and making deedbot- the command. didn't work, seems it should. I'm going to poke tenyks' author today to find out what's smart [13:40]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 05:46:33; trinque: which... not the behavior in the manual [13:40]
trinque punkman1: can I get "deedbot" from ya? [13:42]
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[]bot Bet placed: 9.36 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 113.22817126 BTC. Current weight: 87,607. [13:58]
trinque !up deedbot- [14:01]
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trinque deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt [14:01]
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trinque mircea_popescu: ^ [14:01]
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trinque davout: http://deedbot.org/348443-15Fjyuen5G7eic5JJfQJjj133kLtcbcxV1.txt [14:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92065 @ 0.00028819 = 26.5322 BTC [-] [14:21]
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mike_c kakobrekla: that price! http://query.bitcoin-assets.com/?data=trades&since_id=121698 [14:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/19Fb6Ec ) [14:34]
mats https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo07.pdf new PoC||GTFO [14:34]
kakobrekla mike_c "type":"21" [14:34]
mike_c oh. yeah. [14:35]
mike_c odd that never broke my shit before. [14:35]
mike_c anyways, thanks. my fault. [14:35]
kakobrekla it was broken for a long time [14:35]
kakobrekla recently got fixed and now causing trouble down the line [14:36]
mike_c it's odd, because i explictly skip anything not in [0, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15] [14:38]
mike_c or at least, it's supposed to. [14:38]
kakobrekla dunno [14:38]
mike_c dunno what? what the hell is wrong with my code?? [14:38]
kakobrekla mhm [14:38]
mike_c ;;calc 0.0028819 / (0.00000029 * 12) [14:47]
gribble 828.132183908 [14:47]
mike_c ;;calc 0.00028819 / (0.00000029 * 12) [14:48]
gribble 82.8132183908 [14:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 300 @ 0.00364196 = 1.0926 BTC [-] {6} [14:58]
mats ramtin-amin.fr/#tristar looks like Apple Lightning has been broken [15:01]
mats https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coflynn/chipwhisperer-lite-a-new-era-of-hardware-security [15:09]
assbot ChipWhisperer-Lite: A New Era of Hardware Security Research by Colin O'Flynn — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEYXVi ) [15:09]
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ascii_field http://dpaste.com/2NEWGPY.txt << from mats's link (pure gold) [15:16]
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ascii_field https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo07.pdf << mega-talmud of lulz [15:17]
ascii_field recommended to all [15:17]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZgQ1 ) [15:17]
ascii_field if you don't have a machine that can show 'pdf', find one just for this occasion. [15:17]
ascii_field mats: very neat. [15:17]
ascii_field http://dpaste.com/0QFRVZR << missed a page earlier [15:19]
assbot dpaste: 0QFRVZR: Cyber Criminal’s Song ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZman ) [15:19]
trinque ehehe hilarious [15:21]
chetty hahahah someone was a zork fan;You happen to see a note on the ground, a splotchy Hilbert curve napkin sketch followed by a handwritten [15:22]
chetty table of hexadecimal numbers with uncertain names scrawled nearby. [15:22]
ascii_field Aha. [15:22]
ascii_field GO NORTH [15:22]
mats lol [15:23]
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danielpbarron the "print instructions" assume you're on a debian variant (most likely for ubuntu users) [15:24]
ascii_field only in that 'apt-get' [15:24]
danielpbarron i guess if you're not on something debian you probably know how to convert that string into something useable [15:25]
ascii_field i normally just read that as a shorthand for 'install on your box...' [15:25]
danielpbarron ubuntu user would be like "wtf is emerge ??" [15:25]
fluffypony pacman -S [15:26]
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ascii_field 'He passed away in 2008, a paragon of sticking to just the prescribed amount of murderous blood-thirstiness at any given time, a true knight of the Party Line -- and, if there is ever a Hell, doubtlessly sticking Hell's engineers with the problem of how to reward such a sterling life achievement of toeing it ever so precisely. There are many shitty jobs in this world and the one beyond, but, believe in Hell or not, that [15:31]
ascii_field one takes the cake.' [15:31]
* ascii_field picks self up off the floor [15:31]
ascii_field that thing contains the single best 'lysenko for dummiez' i've ever seen in english [15:31]
ascii_field mircea_popescu ^ consider for use on n00bz [15:32]
* ascii_field as an amateur scholar of crackpottery and malignant pseudoscience, owns the complete works of mr lysenko [15:32]
ascii_field https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo << 0-7 [15:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZVRs ) [15:35]
trinque ascii_field: a quick google suggest this guy was off his rocker [15:37]
ascii_field trinque: not any more so than, say, a pope. [15:38]
trinque heh [15:38]
trinque the guy got dissent against lamarckism outlawed? [15:39]
ascii_field aha. [15:39]
trinque that's how you secure your legacy right there [15:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53796 @ 0.0002863 = 15.4018 BTC [-] {2} [15:54]
ascii_field https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo05.pdf << p. 27 mega-l0l, demonstration of RDRAND-as-hypothetical-backdoor on x86 [15:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28978 @ 0.00028439 = 8.2411 BTC [-] {2} [15:55]
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ascii_field https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo04.pdf << p. 22: 'Lenticrypt: a Provably Plausibly Deniable Cryptosystem; or, This Picture of Cats is Also a Picture of Dogs' [16:04]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeKycz ) [16:04]
* ascii_field has not yet read it but, the title alone, l0l [16:04]
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felipelalli My dear gang noise, did you guys see THIS: http://blog.btcjam.com/2015/03/19/btcjam-introduces-risk-based-pricing-interest-rates-set-automatically-by-credit-score/ ? [16:06]
assbot BTCJam Introduces Risk Based Pricing (Interest Rates Set Automatically by Credit Score) | BTCJam Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeLayK ) [16:06]
felipelalli I'm crying here. :'( The simply just killed the BTCJam. [16:07]
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felipelalli &They [16:07]
gribble Error: "They" is not a valid command. [16:07]
felipelalli *They [16:07]
felipelalli Anyone can write about this on qntra.net? They just eliminate one of the best features of BTCJam. [16:08]
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danielpbarron felipelalli> My dear gang noise, did you guys see THIS << ya they sent me an email for some reason [16:08]
danielpbarron to be fair, things like btcjam are already dead; this is more like shooting the zombie in the head so that it stops trying to feast on brains [16:09]
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ascii_field https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf << article on pg. 5 about 'fits in head' - pure gold [16:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeMIZG ) [16:13]
ascii_field ('greybeard's luck') [16:13]
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felipelalli danielpbarron: :'( [16:15]
felipelalli but really [16:15]
felipelalli I'm so sad and so so so so fucking crazy with this. [16:16]
felipelalli R.I.P. BTCJam. It was a nice service!! [16:16]
danielpbarron wait.. you were serious? [16:16]
felipelalli why not? [16:16]
danielpbarron did you lend on it or borrow? [16:16]
felipelalli both [16:16]
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felipelalli why do you think services like BTCJam are already dead? [16:17]
felipelalli They are getting worse, but dead just with this decision. [16:17]
danielpbarron they aren't in the WoT [16:17]
felipelalli At least you can associate OTC in that. [16:18]
felipelalli I know their reputation system is a crap. [16:18]
felipelalli But it is a nice and useful service. [16:18]
felipelalli The ugly true is that we have no options. [16:18]
felipelalli That's why it is good. Because we don't have better options. [16:18]
danielpbarron but you .. do! [16:19]
danielpbarron in here [16:19]
felipelalli But now I have ZERO option. [16:19]
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danielpbarron that's because you had ZERO ideas worth investing in [16:19]
ascii_field https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf << pg. 18: demonstration that intel -could- have diddled RDRAND instruction in such a way as to undetectably manipulate linux rng in spite of xor lemma [16:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeO3iV ) [16:19]
trinque ascii_field: is it possible to use random data from multiple sources that are diddled, but by different manufacturers, and get usable random data? [16:20]
ascii_field trinque: read the linked piece [16:21]
trinque k [16:21]
felipelalli danielpbarron: I'm sad. They killed a service that I was using for years. It isn't that good, but... [16:21]
ascii_field trinque: spoiler: recall that the XORing also happens on same cpu [16:21]
danielpbarron and people were using piratat40's "service" for a while too [16:21]
ascii_field and therefore manipulable. [16:21]
ascii_field see also last week's thread re: specificity of diddlage [16:22]
felipelalli danielpbarron: but do you think BTCJam was a crap from the start to end? [16:22]
danielpbarron yes [16:22]
felipelalli danielpbarron: how do you lend money? [16:22]
felipelalli or borrow? [16:22]
* ascii_field wishes he could buy the entire issue of the 'pocorgfo' in hard cover archival paper [16:22]
ascii_field as it comes out, even [16:22]
danielpbarron i don't except with very close associates and even then i'd really rather not [16:23]
felipelalli danielpbarron: so, you are not the target, that's why you are not worried. [16:23]
danielpbarron ;;later tell nubbins` ^ job opportunity [16:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:23]
danielpbarron felipelalli, get more WoT connections in here and maybe you can borrow money [16:24]
ascii_field why would anyone want to borrow btc ? [16:24]
danielpbarron that's what I'd like to know [16:24]
ascii_field if you can reliably turn x btc into kx for some nonzero positive k, [16:24]
danielpbarron i know a guy (Birdman) who borrows it to play poker [16:24]
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danielpbarron !up ascii_field [16:25]
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ascii_field then you don't need to borrow, just start with epsilon [16:25]
ascii_field and end up with as many as you want [16:25]
danielpbarron well he always loses it [16:25]
danielpbarron that's why he always needs to borrow it again [16:25]
trinque that's uh, not borrowing [16:25]
ascii_field and someone, knowing this, wants to lend ? [16:25]
felipelalli danielpbarron ascii_field many reasons, like arbitrage for example. But you can borrow linked to USD or BRL. [16:25]
danielpbarron felipelalli, like what ascii said, if that were profitable you should already have a stash with which to work [16:26]
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felipelalli that what exactly? Borrow? [16:27]
ascii_field felipelalli: linked to usd << can go borrow usd right now, trivially [16:27]
danielpbarron if you have some arbitrage opportunity, and it's worked in the past, you should have bitcoin from last time to make it work again this time.. so why the need to borrow? [16:27]
ascii_field as many as you like [16:27]
felipelalli danielpbarron: but and in the first time? [16:28]
danielpbarron well you seem to be well past a first time.? [16:28]
danielpbarron and yeah, go borrow fiat, buy bitcoin, make money, sell some bitcoin, repay loan [16:28]
felipelalli borrow fiat where? [16:29]
felipelalli in the bank? [16:29]
danielpbarron idk, i have credit cards [16:29]
ascii_field felipelalli: friendly local mafia [16:29]
danielpbarron every week i'm getting new offers [16:29]
danielpbarron i have a stack of those prepaid return envelopes [16:29]
danielpbarron :D [16:29]
felipelalli Depends on situation. For example: I had to spend some unforeseen money and I didn't want to climb a mountain to get my bitcoins, so I got a loan with a very low interest rate. [16:30]
felipelalli Yes, I store my bitcoin in a coordinate. [16:30]
danielpbarron it's so risky borrowing bitcoin; it's ruined lives [16:30]
felipelalli danielpbarron: it is linked with USD :) [16:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26869 @ 0.00028369 = 7.6225 BTC [-] [16:31]
danielpbarron i really doubt your secret mountain wallet is as secure as you imagine [16:31]
felipelalli the bitcoin is just the mean. [16:31]
felipelalli danielpbarron: well, I have some backups. [16:31]
felipelalli danielpbarron: but I am a geocaching player and yes, it is very secure. [16:31]
danielpbarron i don't doubt your physical hiding abilities [16:31]
mats rofl [16:32]
danielpbarron i doubt 1) your entropy generating abilities 2) your not telling a secret when a hot iron is inserted into your body abilities [16:32]
felipelalli danielpbarron: I have to go now! :) I'll write an article about this bad move of BTCJam soon. Thank you. [16:32]
felipelalli danielpbarron: 1) well, you will never know. 2) don't put all your eggs in the same basket. [16:33]
ascii_field https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo02.pdf << p. 3 article, 'on importance of tools' << pure gold [16:36]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeS0o0 ) [16:36]
danielpbarron oh btw i got my ADA reference manual; things quite nice. it's from a public library and it looks as though nobody ever checked it out [16:37]
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danielpbarron someone pointed out to me that if i wasn't already a terrorist suspect, buying the reference manual to the language for airplanes isn't going to help that image [16:39]
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trinque danielpbarron: order a nodejs book and throw them off [16:39]
ascii_field order 'anarchist's cookbook', get on the 'harmless idiots' list [16:40]
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trinque well, that wasn't the right keybinding [16:41]
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Adlai ascii_field: lies, there is no whitelist [16:44]
ascii_field brownlist [16:44]
trinque I'll go out on a limb and say they're not rounding up people for derping on IRC [16:44]
trinque as much as that would make one the star of one's own action movie [16:44]
ascii_field with enough effort, can get rounded up for derping with goose quill pen on parchment [16:45]
chetty I'll go out on a limb and say they're not rounding up people for derping on IRC//yet [16:46]
trinque chetty: maybe, years can make the inconceivable inevitable [16:49]
trinque seems like you have to go directly after them pretty hard before they kill you [16:50]
trinque not... buy an ada book [16:50]
trinque michael hastings had what seems to me a long life by most measures of govt oppression [16:51]
ascii_field the 'honest man hanged by six words he wrote' is not hanged 1/6th of the way by each [16:51]
ascii_field but trinque's observation brings to mind one of mine [16:51]
trinque ascii_field: well I think I'm echoing a sentiment I've heard from you; I wont be grabbing my rifle any time soon [16:51]
trinque just waiting [16:51]
trinque and educating myself [16:51]
ascii_field every day when i wake up still alive, i know that i have not yet achieved anything. [16:52]
trinque hah! that's about right [16:52]
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kakobrekla eh s.nsa is still young [16:53]
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ascii_field jurov: no, this is the naive picture [16:58]
ascii_field the way it works, when it works, is that moles actually take the trouble to read (or even provocateur...) in the forum [16:58]
ascii_field (whichever forum) [16:58]
ascii_field and slowly, meticulously form a picture of who gets the red carpet to the gasenwagen and when [16:59]
jurov i can see that, except for slowness or even meticulousness [17:00]
mircea_popescu mp whining in 2012 that there's no rifled bullets. commenter fixing it, today : http://trilema.com/2012/o-idee-practica/#comment-113197 [17:01]
assbot O idee practica ✭ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeWFpU ) [17:01]
mircea_popescu amd hi all! [17:01]
jurov hello [17:02]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: rifled projectiles for smoothbore barrels are sold in every hunting shop in usa [17:02]
mircea_popescu yeah well... [17:02]
mircea_popescu romanian ok ? easier audience. [17:02]
ascii_field jurov: normally you can tell who are the 'basic' shills by noting their assumptions (of their marks being dumb as shit) - see, e.g., mr moarspam: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014388 [17:03]
assbot Logged on 10-02-2015 03:30:16; asciilifeform: also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' [17:03]
mircea_popescu course that may just select for dumb willful people. [17:04]
ascii_field zap the predators, zap their prey - we don't need either for anything [17:05]
mircea_popescu mmm [17:05]
mircea_popescu their prey is usually someone's mom. [17:05]
mircea_popescu take BingoBoingo's earlier drunken rageorgy. [17:05]
ascii_field not speaking of generic sp4mz0rz here [17:05]
ascii_field but of provocateurs [17:05]
mircea_popescu not sure that resolves it. [17:05]
ascii_field like the one in linked thread [17:05]
mircea_popescu naphex ahahaha romania-insider, you should see that thing o gawd. [17:07]
mircea_popescu best english is lulzy english. [17:07]
mircea_popescu ascii_field aite working my way there, [17:07]
[]bot Bet created: "BTC to top $500 before June 29th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1130/ [17:08]
trinque anybody know punkman's status? wanted to get the bot squared away with a proper nick, then get that autovoiced [17:08]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060348 << sweet. [17:08]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 16:57:04; trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt [17:08]
trinque if I can't get deedbot, I'll just do it with the dash [17:08]
mircea_popescu ;;seen punkman1 [17:08]
gribble punkman1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: command line deed grabber: curl -s http://deeds.bitcoinyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?= [17:08]
mircea_popescu ;;seen punkman [17:08]
gribble punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 11 hours, 58 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: https://twitter.com/neweraesthetics/status/574869026817601536 [17:08]
mircea_popescu punkman yo [17:08]
mircea_popescu hm. [17:08]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060364 << lol win [17:10]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 17:32:01; kakobrekla: recently got fixed and now causing trouble down the line [17:10]
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mircea_popescu felipelalli: My dear gang noise, << new one. [17:12]
mircea_popescu anyway, is btcjam just about cooked up enough to go belly up or does it still have thread to survive this year ? [17:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060428 << i dunno that anyone ever took them seriously. [17:13]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 19:03:25; felipelalli: Anyone can write about this on qntra.net? They just eliminate one of the best features of BTCJam. [17:13]
brendafdez I was searching the logs and couldn't find a way to sort by date ascending. Tried setting the start parameter to a value close to the total number of results, but it won't take values greater than 5000. :( Is there a way to do it? [17:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060448 o.O. See http://trilema.com/2015/btcjam-what-starts-as-a-scam-stays-a-scam/ ? or maybe https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-btcjam-peer-to-peer-bitcoin-lending.67541/page-21#post-1330880 ? [17:15]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 19:13:49; felipelalli: But it is a nice and useful service. [17:15]
assbot BTCJam : What starts as a scam stays a scam pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAelGZ ) [17:15]
mircea_popescu but anyway. [17:15]
mircea_popescu brendafdez i thought search automatically sorts by time, descending ? [17:16]
danielpbarron brendafdez, beginning of public log -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013#1 [17:16]
assbot Logged on 26-04-2013 00:01:30; pgp3: just looked at chart... shit... a couple hours can be an eternity in bitcoin land... [17:16]
[]bot Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before June 29th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1130/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,994. [17:16]
brendafdez I was trying to see the first messages in the chan by each user. If a user has say 50000 messages, I can't find a way to see the pages with the earliest 45000. [17:17]
mircea_popescu oh. [17:17]
mircea_popescu yeah i think you found a problem that can't actually be resolved with currently available tools. [17:18]
danielpbarron that's a feature! nobody wants their first words to be seen again :p [17:18]
mircea_popescu lol. [17:18]
brendafdez ok :P then it'll have to be done the hard way ;) [17:18]
mircea_popescu it is sort-of a feature, you only get to see the noobish beginnings of people newer than you. [17:18]
kakobrekla meanwhile http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from:brendafdez&start=180 [17:18]
assbot 184 results for 'from:brendafdez' - #bitcoin-assets search [17:18]
brendafdez works only bc I have less than 5000 [17:19]
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kakobrekla a [17:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060482 << well yes but maybe it's a one shot thing. [17:19]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 19:20:31; ascii_field: and end up with as many as you want [17:19]
* trinque reads davout's latest deed.... gpg on win 3.1?? [17:20]
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trinque seems I'd sooner airgap a bsd or something, but if it works it works [17:22]
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trinque is there some ancient processor which has an rng that works? [17:22]
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trinque !up punkman1 [17:25]
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trinque deedbot- or notary? punkman1 has notary grouped atm [17:25]
trinque !up ascii_field [17:25]
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trinque mircea_popescu: ^ [17:26]
trinque eh it's already deedbot lots of places, probably best with the current nick [17:26]
trinque punkman1: lose your primary nick? [17:27]
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punkman nope [17:27]
ascii_field trinque: rng in ic is a dead concept right off the bat [17:27]
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punkman trinque, I think Ragnar had "deedbot" account, you can ask him [17:28]
trinque RagnarDanneskjol: ^ lemme know if you'd like the current deedbot to use that nick [17:29]
punkman http://xm42.com/ [17:32]
assbot XM42™ | The Ion Productions Team ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmQnzv ) [17:32]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060490 << no, not for him, and not for most of the third world. [17:33]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 19:23:04; ascii_field: felipelalli: linked to usd << can go borrow usd right now, trivially [17:33]
mircea_popescu if you imagine random guy in this world can borrow for any purpose you're nuts. all banks lend to nat'l government and us government only. [17:34]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: speaking from the chumpatronic jail here, just about any schmuck can get at least 5 digits of loansharkamatic without breaking a sweat [17:34]
ascii_field (at extortionate interest, but that's a separate question) [17:34]
mircea_popescu sure, but uniquely usian phenomenon. [17:34]
mircea_popescu AND this is for the great benefit of everyone else, because nobody is as poor as usians. [17:35]
mircea_popescu just, you know, everyone thinks they're speshul. but if i were a natl bank governor i wouldn't allow the derps to borrow either. [17:35]
ascii_field it is used as the real primary taxation mechanism [17:35]
mircea_popescu "get an education get a house get insurance get a wife" etc. sure. [17:36]
mircea_popescu but still. [17:36]
ascii_field schmuck wants to live in a house, owes $maxint, pays interest until dies [17:36]
mircea_popescu i think bynow college > housing, but yeah, same idea. [17:36]
trinque nobody under 30 expects to own a house anymore [17:36]
mircea_popescu that's cool, because nobody over 30 owns one, either. [17:37]
trinque rent forever, never pay off student debt [17:37]
mircea_popescu expectations coming to allign with reality is a measure of emerging sanity [17:37]
trinque of course, property taxes underneath all the other "it's not really yours" [17:37]
trinque or forfeiture [17:38]
* Adlai wouldn't be surprised if not only http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039710 but also it contains a few houses too [17:38]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 09:14:51; mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves. [17:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060503 << and here we go. nothing to do with money everything to do with household cashflow [17:38]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 19:25:24; felipelalli: Depends on situation. For example: I had to spend some unforeseen money and I didn't want to climb a mountain to get my bitcoins, so I got a loan with a very low interest rate. [17:38]
Adlai though the wot isn't exactly your average "nobody over 30" [17:38]
trinque I got paid to go to college and still left [17:38]
ascii_field i have a fairly solid expectation of starving eventually [17:39]
ascii_field so gotta disagree [17:39]
ascii_field (somehow didn't notice that thread..) [17:39]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i had an article about how all us citizens should have a solid expectation of being homeless eventually [17:39]
mircea_popescu it's just what the numbers say [17:39]
mircea_popescu (% of homeless people, life expectancy of homeless people, life expectancy of general population, -> over 50% or some shit) [17:40]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060505 << you familiar with the experience of that one guy who borrowed in 2011ish toi make a point, was still paying on it by 2013 ? [17:40]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 19:26:02; danielpbarron: it's so risky borrowing bitcoin; it's ruined lives [17:40]
Adlai mircea_popescu: how's that work, you're saying homeless people have longer life expectancy? [17:41]
mircea_popescu much shorter. [17:41]
danielpbarron probably; i've read the horror stories on the forum [17:41]
Adlai then why would most people have an expectation of being homeless eventually!? [17:41]
Adlai or is the theory that homelessness is a stage just before death [17:41]
mircea_popescu think of it in terms of particles : if muons live a second and meons an hour, and at all times 10% of particle population is muons, then what changes does a meon to turn into a muon during its lifetime ? [17:41]
ascii_field Adlai: in usa, if your income nulls out you turn into a bum generally within one business quarter [17:41]
trinque mircea_popescu: hm is this where the declining soviet population went? a different x% croaking on the street per year? [17:41]
trinque ascii_field: ^ [17:42]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [17:42]
mircea_popescu s/changes/chances/ [17:42]
mircea_popescu felipelalli if you write some apologetic pos about how toejam is an actual service it's not getting published. [17:43]
mircea_popescu "all the other rags" is the proper venue for that sorta nonsense. [17:44]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060523 << this lol [17:44]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 19:35:24; ascii_field: order 'anarchist's cookbook', get on the 'harmless idiots' list [17:44]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060529 << this actually hapepned ? [17:44]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 19:40:39; ascii_field: with enough effort, can get rounded up for derping with goose quill pen on parchment [17:44]
ascii_field first one that comes to mind is giordanno bruno [17:45]
danielpbarron according to the mythology taught in US public school, ya [17:45]
ascii_field but yes, complicated (TM) [17:45]
mircea_popescu last one not first one. [17:45]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060549 << someone's not been paying attention TO ALL THE ALLCAPS DEPRAGE. TEMPEST. WHOREFEST. MUCUS. ANTIETAM. ETCISAWORD. [17:46]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 19:53:04; jurov: and more importantly, before or after collection, query for certain books and irc channels [17:46]
mircea_popescu trinque hastings was born before me wtf. this is a long life now ? [17:47]
mircea_popescu s/before/after. [17:47]
trinque mircea_popescu: when imagining overt dictatorship I'd think so [17:47]
mircea_popescu i don't think any human population can be stable with lifetimes averages < 30. [17:48]
mircea_popescu the population simply collapses at that point. think cockroaches. [17:48]
ascii_field re: starving: at any rate, starvation is also what they do to 'problematic' folks in usa instead of shooting, typically [17:48]
ascii_field blackballing - traditional [17:48]
trinque oh we're fucked; I just don't expect that the men in black are coming for me because I said I like bitcoin [17:48]
mircea_popescu ascii_field problem is we're rich. this can no longer work for bitcoin. [17:48]
ascii_field mircea_popescu is rich [17:48]
* ascii_field is not remotely confusable for rich [17:48]
mircea_popescu the plan is of course to use it extensively on anyone related to usg, starting with the press, starting with idiot whores a la leah goodman and idiot venues a la newsweek [17:49]
mircea_popescu but it onl;y works that way [17:49]
mircea_popescu ascii_field not you and me per se. bitcoin, itself, going for 10bn dollah nao. [17:49]
mircea_popescu too far. [17:49]
trinque ascii_field's comment about having accomplished something put it better than I did [17:50]
ascii_field 'you'n me will burn in this here tank, but red army triumphs' (tm) / [17:50]
ascii_field ? [17:50]
mircea_popescu you were discussing economic warfare omg. [17:51]
mircea_popescu "you and i might not care or know, but someone in the capitalist club is financing the new lightbulb" [17:51]
mircea_popescu and the discussion of how this works - already, for that matter - is right above : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060676 [17:53]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 20:38:54; mircea_popescu: felipelalli if you write some apologetic pos about how toejam is an actual service it's not getting published. [17:53]
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mircea_popescu one day newsweek will need to borrow and find itself unable to. [17:53]
mircea_popescu and some other day, usg. [17:53]
mircea_popescu as you say, it's called blackballing. [17:54]
ascii_field yeah, but right now the who-whom is pointed the other way. [17:54]
mircea_popescu nope [17:54]
mircea_popescu it only works one way. [17:54]
mircea_popescu modern weapons yo. they only work in the hands of the proper people. [17:55]
ascii_field rly. so mykotronx is holding bake sales to build nsa crypto garbage, and s.nsa is baking diamond ternary ram ? [17:55]
mircea_popescu nope. [17:55]
felipelalli mircea_popescu: I understand. Thank you. [17:56]
mircea_popescu but there's nothing anyone can do to prevent s.nsa from baking what it bakes [17:56]
mircea_popescu whereas mykotronx can stop tomorrow, and that tomorrow is coming. [17:56]
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ascii_field 'It will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber.' (some american derpmeister in the '60s) [17:56]
mircea_popescu ascii_field compare, for it is informative, cisco's experience with bitbet's experience. [17:56]
mircea_popescu cisco was caught working with usg, lost 90% of sales in onequarter. [17:57]
mircea_popescu derp fucked up on bitbet, it turns out bitbet is not a consumer venue, sales doubled that quarter. [17:57]
ascii_field then we find out that it doesn't actually need sales for anything [17:57]
mircea_popescu this is what it is, and the most important dynamic since combustion engine. [17:57]
mircea_popescu of course it does. [17:57]
ascii_field it gets to carry on derping by order of the tsar-god [17:57]
mircea_popescu not in any sense useful, that. [17:57]
trinque tsar god can't declare things into existence [17:58]
mircea_popescu imagine your daughter fails exams, now can't go to school. so what, you make her a mini university out of cardboard, and while the other girls to go school [17:58]
* ascii_field recalls learning with alarm as a little boy that there was ever such a thing as a reichsmark. 'couldn't hitler simply order shit done?' [17:58]
mircea_popescu she derps with puppets in the foot tall "campus" ? [17:58]
ascii_field lol i live in that campus. [17:58]
mircea_popescu lol [17:58]
mircea_popescu anyway, i gtg, we shall continue this argument tomorrow [17:58]
mircea_popescu and day after, [17:58]
mircea_popescu and all days until the one day, because it seems our fate :D [17:59]
ascii_field lulzatronix. [17:59]
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nubbins` *:ascii_field wishes he could buy the entire issue of the 'pocorgfo' in hard cover archival paper <<< judging by the second-page notes, you can [18:09]
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felipelalli mircea_popescu: Where can I find objective arguments against BTCJam? As a lending service and reputation system? And what are the alternatives for P2P lending or we don't have? They have 113,000 users, should they be ignored? [18:15]
danielpbarron oh speaking of things nubbins` can print; how about an official Qntra business card? [18:15]
danielpbarron felipelalli, the alternative is right in here [18:16]
nubbins` danielpbarron no doubt [18:16]
nubbins` silkscreened business cards are ++ [18:16]
danielpbarron well i don't necessarily want to design one, but if that sounds like something the other qntra writers would want, I'd like a stack of them with my name on it if that's ok [18:17]
nubbins` felipelalli how many users does windows xp have? [18:17]
nubbins` should they be ignored? 8) [18:17]
nubbins` danielpbarron if you guys figure somethin out between yourselves, i can print a batch all at once to save on setup [18:17]
danielpbarron that's what i mean :D [18:18]
nubbins` we print them something like 36-up, so you could have w/e number of designs/names/etc you wanted [18:19]
nubbins` "Th is i s how t o c o n v e r t an i s s u e f o r d u pl e x p r i n t i n g ." [18:20]
nubbins` right on [18:20]
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nubbins` asciilifeform these things look great [18:21]
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felipelalli nubbins`: in other words, should they be ignored? :) [18:29]
felipelalli danielpbarron: Thank you! Next time I'll try it! :) [18:29]
nubbins` felipelalli you tell me 8) [18:30]
nubbins` point being that yes, many people can be wrong [18:30]
nubbins` asciilifeform you'd be looking at around $10-15 for a softcover / staple-bound issue of this sent to your door [18:30]
nubbins` depending on page count [18:31]
felipelalli nubbins`: but I would like to collect the cons arguments. I was using the service for a while and it was nice, except the reputation system. But yes, without a good reputation system, it is worthless. :/ [18:31]
nubbins` sounds like "it is worthless" is a pretty big con. [18:31]
ascii_field nubbins`: which 'this' [18:31]
ascii_field nubbins`: the whole set ? [18:31]
felipelalli nubbins`: :) huge. [18:32]
nubbins` sorry, just grabbed a random issue [18:32]
nubbins` let me get a full page count here [18:32]
nubbins` issue 6 recommends printing it on ledger [18:32]
felipelalli I said to BTCJam CEO: "mircea said BTCJam is not even a service" he said "who is this?" and then tried to convince me "other people disagree with him" [18:33]
felipelalli I was trying to convince him that don't let the users choose the interest rate is not a good idea. [18:37]
danielpbarron well it's an obvious path for them to take considering the thing is a scam attractor [18:38]
nubbins` ascii_field say around a hundred bucks for issues 00-07, 8.5x11" footprint, staple-bound [18:39]
ascii_field staple bound ? [18:39]
ascii_field as in, iron staples ? [18:39]
BingoBoingo I have the most intense hangover [18:39]
nubbins` i'd have to check the type of metal [18:39]
ascii_field ugh [18:39]
ascii_field not booklike at all [18:39]
nubbins` almost certainly steel [18:39]
nubbins` hey, i can hand-sew, but you're not gonna like the price [18:39]
felipelalli he said they have a "learning machine" to determine the correct interest rate, but it is a joke don't let the free market decide its own rates. [18:40]
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nubbins` once you start sewing bindings, you commit to labour-intensive cover attachment [18:41]
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ascii_field ah [18:41]
ascii_field it was worth a shot. thx for the phree quote, nubbins` [18:42]
ascii_field but i can laser print and perforate as well as the next guy. [18:42]
nubbins` nod [18:42]
danielpbarron http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 [18:43]
assbot Gmane -- Re: stable Linux 2.6.25.10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Lp8K ) [18:43]
danielpbarron point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them. [18:43]
nubbins` it's only around $30 of materials [18:43]
danielpbarron Security people are often the black-and-white kind of people that I can't stand. I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys, in that they make such a big deal about concentrating on security to the point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them. [18:43]
nubbins` truthfully it's the fact that all the setup work is being done for a single book [18:44]
nubbins` if you wanted, say, even a half-dozen copies, different story [18:44]
ascii_field nubbins`: yes, like circuit boards [18:44]
ascii_field nubbins`: i routinely use 'print on demand' houses when i feel like getting xxxx in dead tree, but the result is invariably just a little better than what i can do at home [18:45]
ascii_field not one can do 'lay flat' cover, for instance [18:45]
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ascii_field (other than with perforator and spiral binding) [18:45]
danielpbarron i might buy one if there are enough people in the pool [18:45]
nubbins` you'd be surprised how tricky it is! [18:45]
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* ascii_field has bound books by hand and is not even slightly surprised [18:45]
nubbins` heh. well, there y'go. [18:46]
ascii_field but fact remains, there is no automagickal machine for it [18:46]
nubbins` let me find some drool shots [18:46]
ascii_field like there is for the crappy bindings [18:46]
ascii_field danielpbarron: linus is wrong, but very few people seem to grasp the reason why [18:47]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/2C4E5GP,20B9ktJ,SEDrede,EPI6Pww,pxZ4arA [18:47]
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ascii_field !s malice incompetence [18:47]
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nubbins` 5th image shows the kind of corners a thousand-dollar book plough makes. [18:48]
danielpbarron did that 0.5.3 source ever become a book? maybe put that on the list of things I'd buy if enough people in pool [18:48]
ascii_field danielpbarron: it did not [18:48]
nubbins` danielpbarron it was shelved at the time [18:48]
ascii_field danielpbarron: because i'm not interested in reading crud [18:48]
danielpbarron basically anything ascii wants in book form, I would probably also want [18:48]
nubbins` until such point is reached that the code is worthy of bookifying [18:49]
ascii_field remember, b00kz only work if you... read'em [18:49]
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nubbins` nobody wants to pay me to typeset a piece of shit for 20 hours 8) [18:49]
ascii_field nubbins`: what is a book plough ? [18:49]
ascii_field cutting press ? [18:49]
danielpbarron S.BOOK needs to be a thing maybe [18:49]
nubbins` cutting press sounds like a fair synonym [18:50]
nubbins` http://www.louet.nl/en/bookbinding-vertical-plough [18:50]
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cazalla BingoBoingo, how much piss did you sink last night? [18:50]
nubbins` you can find youtube vidyas of same [18:50]
ascii_field most folks source, rather than sink, piss [18:50]
ascii_field nubbins`: betcha a laser would work [18:50]
nubbins` mayhap. but it'd singe the pages? [18:50]
nubbins` the edges this plough makes are as smooth as fucking /glass/. [18:51]
cazalla ascii_field, we do things different down under :) [18:51]
ascii_field nubbins`: surprisingly little burn if cut correctly [18:52]
nubbins` wild [18:52]
ascii_field but yes, they'll turn black [18:52]
nubbins` http://www.talasonline.com/ [18:52]
assbot Talas || Professional Archival, Bookbinding, Conservation and Restoration Supplies ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXW0CQ ) [18:52]
nubbins` ^ source of all things bookish [18:52]
nubbins` their print catalog is a particular joy [18:52]
ascii_field bookbinding is rather like music in a sense [18:52]
nubbins` harkens back to the first time i rcv'd a mouser catalog [18:52]
nubbins` oh, it's 100% an art [18:52]
nubbins` you can't teach it [18:52]
nubbins` ...or maybe i just can't be taught it 8) [18:53]
ascii_field in the sense that a typical artisan binder would probably react to my laser suggestion the same way my musical friends react to the suggestion of connecting my air compressor to the tuba [18:53]
nubbins` hahah. [18:53]
nubbins` hey, if it gets the job done. [18:53]
nubbins` although TBF an old-timey bookbinding setup is still an incredibly efficient way to work [18:54]
BingoBoingo cazalla: Half of a handle [18:54]
nubbins` i've done staple-binding, perfect binding, kettle stitch binding... eventually i'm gonna have to order some board and cloth [18:55]
nubbins` at which point things will come full-circle and i'll be silkscreening fabric for the covers of silkscreened books [18:55]
ascii_field reference bitcoin - board & leather. [18:55]
cazalla what's that.. a bit over 700ml.. damn that's a good effort BingoBoingo [18:55]
BingoBoingo Yeah, got myself good and pickled [18:56]
nubbins` ascii_field there's a woman in town who's been binding for years, has an ancient letterpress setup. i'd say she'd at least know where to point me for leather work [18:57]
nubbins` you opposed to sealskin? [18:58]
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ascii_field sealskin works [18:58]
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nubbins` fair warning, animal lovers may resent you for it [18:59]
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nubbins` seals are uh, "special" mammalia. they're cute enough that their harvesting produces outrage [19:00]
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nubbins` Adlai religious texts are ++++ for those [19:00]
Adlai is bitcoin deserving of 'religion' status? [19:00]
Adlai being in the wot qualifies you for overseeing marriage in 2020 england, kind of stuff [19:01]
ascii_field http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3238352932884994@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum [19:01]
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ascii_field (last paragraph) [19:01]
danielpbarron nubbins`> fair warning, animal lovers may resent you for it << so.. win win :D [19:02]
ascii_field http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3237396100556424@naggum.no.html [19:03]
assbot Re: Why I can't use Lisp. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXXJIn ) [19:03]
ascii_field ' I went to my local bookstore the other day. I wanted to give a beautifully bound Bible to a Christian friend of mine. Suddenly, I felt space around me warp and I was in USENET space. People from comp.lang.scheme offered me a beutifully bound Torah. People from comp.lang.dylan offered me a beautifully bound Koran. People from elsewhere on the Net offered me beautifully bound copies of The Lord of the Rings, Atlas [19:04]
ascii_field Shrugged, A New Kind of Science, and then other people chimed in with suggestions for Gray's Anatomy, The Chicago Manual of Style, and the 25-year anniversary edition of Gödel, Escher, Bach, all of them arguing that if I wanted the most important book, I would want their suggestions. I scremed, "Enough!", and space just as suddenly warped back to the bookstore and the very helpful young Muslim woman behind the counter [19:04]
ascii_field went to find a soft-leather-bound Bible with gold edges on the India paper, just like I had wanted and asked for, without unwelcome suggestions or anyone pretending to know better than me. It was so respectful I almost got religion, myself. ' [19:04]
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ascii_field danielpbarron: varying translations or just bindings ? [19:07]
danielpbarron one of the best places to get like-new Bibles is a used book store [19:07]
danielpbarron bindings mostly [19:07]
danielpbarron although i have a spanish one [19:07]
danielpbarron but mostly KJV [19:07]
danielpbarron i'd like more NKJV but they just aren't as widly produced [19:07]
nubbins` friend of mine has a ton of bibles [19:08]
nubbins` he's got one that's a reproduction of the 1st-edition gutenberg bible [19:08]
danielpbarron actually maybe nubbins` can help me there; I have this really nice pocket Bible with a zipper and real leather, but it's KJV and i'd like it in NKJV [19:08]
nubbins` SO MANY HUGE FUCK-UPS [19:08]
danielpbarron probably way out of my price range though [19:08]
nubbins` they don't sell nkjv bibles w/ zippers and leather? [19:10]
danielpbarron http://g.christianbook.com/dg/product/cbd/f400/146074.jpg << i think it's this one [19:10]
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danielpbarron nope [19:10]
danielpbarron not as small as that ^ one [19:10]
danielpbarron that also has the "references" B.S. which I don't need -- I'd rather have the NKJV alternate transation footnotes [19:11]
nubbins` better ask News Corp, i guess [19:12]
nubbins` http://viewer.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/icv/page.php?book=arch._b_b.11&page=409 [19:13]
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nubbins` ^ check out the missing paragraph break, top right [19:13]
danielpbarron i don't understand what i'm looking at [19:14]
nubbins` http://bav.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/field/image/gutenberg_203r_0.png [19:15]
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nubbins` that's what a paragraph break looks like [19:15]
nubbins` the red and blue ink were added afterward, by hand, and the printer left a blank space for them [19:15]
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nubbins` nicer embellishments by the rubricators meant a higher selling price [19:16]
nubbins` in the previous example, no such space was left for the number and the painted letter [19:16]
nubbins` so various solutions were used for various copies [19:16]
nubbins` that one's a particularly uh, embellished example [19:16]
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nubbins` "The "great majority of incunables did not issue from the press in a finished state ... hardly any incunable was considered 'finished' by its printer ...", suggesting that hand rubrication provided a sense of legitimacy to the efforts of early printers and their works." [19:18]
danielpbarron i don't need fancy thingys; just the whole NKJV text pocket sized with a zipper so the pages don't get messed up when i travel with it but w/e my KJV works well enough [19:19]
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jurov btw, i was always curious what is one supposed to do with the bible all the time? [19:20]
jurov i was like okay, read it like any other book [19:21]
danielpbarron sometimes in arguments people are like "oh yeah where does it say that!?" [19:21]
nubbins` jurov i think it's used more as a reference manual than a novel [19:21]
ascii_field ... and there's also bibliomancy. [19:22]
nubbins` danielpbarron why not just get a similarly-sized NKJV and swap it out? [19:22]
danielpbarron i'm not sure one even exists [19:22]
danielpbarron i ordered what was described as "pocket sized" and it turned out to be much larger [19:22]
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nubbins` http://www.amazon.com/Smallest-Bible-NKJV-Black-Closing/dp/0840784465 [19:23]
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jurov from experience i surmised it's used to find accurate projection for inner turmoil [19:23]
danielpbarron yeah i've seen that one [19:23]
nubbins` not quite a zipper [19:24]
jurov scratch that accurate. any projection. [19:24]
nubbins` jurov what else ya gonna do w/ turmoil [19:25]
jurov nubbins`: esoteric/new age stuff is more soothing [19:26]
nubbins` enya doesn't have any answers [19:26]
jurov i did not say anything about answers [19:27]
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jurov they can be had by observation, not by projection anyway [19:28]
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nubbins` next you'll tell me that taking anti-anxiety meds won't help resolve deeply-rooted personal issues 8) [19:30]
jurov no, obv only bible can do it [19:31]
danielpbarron ^ ++ [19:31]
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trinque https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/a4658f4eccc8a8e6338a8711c0291706/tumblr_mmbfq0apsW1r92643o1_500.jpg [19:32]
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nubbins` that is *not* how you make a secret compartment in a book. [19:33]
trinque nubbins`: along spine? [19:35]
trinque wasn't a proposal though :p [19:35]
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nubbins` you're supposed to soak the entire book block in water+glue, then press it til it's dried, then cut the hole out [19:36]
trinque ah, makes sense [19:37]
nubbins` https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5215851/il_570xN.181912317.jpg [19:38]
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BingoBoingo http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150320/archer-heights/150-firefighters-battle-extra-alarm-fire-archer-heights-thursday [19:38]
assbot Huge Fire Breaks Out at Fire Extinguisher Factory in Archer Heights - Archer Heights - DNAinfo.com Chicago ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SExv ) [19:38]
nubbins` or even better, http://www.instash.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Hollow-Book-Safe-With-Flask.jpg [19:38]
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trinque !up brendafdez [19:39]
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trinque brendafdez: might want to make sure your client auths before join [19:40]
trinque dunno if ddos is a problem anymore, but it has happened [19:40]
brendafdez trinque yes i never bothered to configure it properly [19:41]
brendafdez it still is, at least as of last week i got ddosed when entering the chan [19:42]
trinque bothering has its benefits [19:42]
brendafdez indeed [19:42]
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nubbins` man, this Roko's Basilisk is some straight-up bughouse stuff [19:46]
trinque nubbins`: ever read I have no Mouth and I Must Scream? [19:48]
trinque kind of reminds me of the AI in that [19:48]
nubbins` nope [19:49]
nubbins` i'll check it out [19:49]
trinque good story, not directly related [19:49]
trinque this idea that an exact duplicate of me *is* me seems absurd on its face [19:51]
trinque part of the basilisk thing [19:51]
trinque so you've got two hammers, and they're identical to the atom [19:51]
trinque their position is irrelevant to the question? [19:51]
thestringpuller brendafdez: what time is it in argentina rite meow [19:52]
trinque "Per Yudkowsky's conception of continuity of identity, copies of you in these branches should be considered to exist (and be you) — even though you cannot interact with them." [19:52]
trinque that sentence is so fucked [19:52]
trinque you cannot interact with you [19:53]
trinque but you are you [19:53]
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trinque I took a look at less wrong a while ago, and decided I could find an easier fetish [19:53]
Adlai it's like saying that in The Prestige, whatsisname is a mass-murderer... he's not, he just fork()s [19:54]
brendafdez utc -3 1949 [19:54]
trinque Adlai: so? I'm experiencing subjectivity, whatever the fuck that is, *here* and definitely not *there* [19:55]
trinque that there are an infinite number of copies of me with the same arrangement of atoms does not change that fact [19:55]
nubbins` ^ [19:55]
trinque and that thing is what I identify with, that my experience of being is right fucking here [19:55]
jurov someone go grow a finger from yudkowski's dna and tell him you have the rest of his clone in cellar [19:56]
nubbins` heh [19:56]
fluffypony http://i.imgur.com/HAQJsaQ.jpg [19:56]
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nubbins` lel [19:57]
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danielpbarron the word you're looking for, trinque, is soul [19:57]
trinque danielpbarron: one way of putting it [19:57]
trinque and I think a better way than not considering it at all [19:58]
trinque danielpbarron: seems so many people try to argue themselves out of the obvious fact of their own being [20:00]
trinque dunno if I put that clearly at all [20:00]
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trinque there's a mental defect where one considers himself to be an idea [20:00]
danielpbarron right [20:01]
trinque so if I change my thoughts about myself, I change? [20:01]
trinque no. [20:01]
danielpbarron you would necessarily die if chopped up into bits and uploaded [20:01]
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danielpbarron the thing on the other side would think it is you, but it wouldn't be you [20:01]
trinque it is hard for me to draw conclusions about that scenario because uploaded is not at all defined [20:01]
trinque but yeah, I am *here*, *this*, and *now* [20:01]
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trinque and no other imagined thing [20:01]
trinque and only to myself, I can't disclose that thing to anyone else [20:02]
trinque or to the religious, "himself before god" or something [20:02]
danielpbarron it's another tower of babel for man to think he can write a program to simulate his own brain better than it already is [20:02]
trinque hubris for sure [20:02]
trinque I like asciilifeform's mind amplifier concept [20:03]
trinque telescopes and so on, not some new created "being" [20:04]
danielpbarron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jltY41KxzXY << LOL [20:04]
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trinque peaches oh my lol [20:05]
Adlai trinque: right. the child process sees itself when dereferencing 'self' [20:07]
* Adlai just finished the alpha version of his twist on actors/csp [20:08]
trinque Adlai: dunno how far the programming metaphor goes; explain? [20:08]
trinque I enjoyed that movie [20:08]
jurov if you don't do fork but just spawn threads? what is self there? [20:09]
* trinque got really like, far out, man, one time and concluded that his language processing bits were not the only thing he is [20:09]
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trinque I do not think there's a verbal definition of being [20:10]
trinque can't grab it with that [20:10]
nubbins` no, but do enough lsd and you'll find a non-verbal definition [20:10]
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trinque nubbins`: right-o [20:10]
nubbins` dat ego death [20:10]
nubbins` fair warning, that's a one-way street 8) [20:10]
Adlai trinque: let's say harriezer has a 4d scanner, which he uses to capture the entire state of your brain, down to the atom. he then simulates twenty copies of this brain, each in its own simulated universe. even if you believe that there would now be 21 conscious trinques, the other twenty would be distinct from you. kinda like finding out about an identical twin that was separated from you at birth. [20:11]
nubbins` and much realer than rololol's basilisk [20:11]
* trinque recalls flopping around in front of a couch, saying to no one, "holy fuck, this is me!" [20:11]
* danielpbarron has done "enough lsd" [20:11]
trinque the flopping, lol [20:11]
Adlai in the prestige, the magician does pretty much exactly this with tesla's copy-teleport machine [20:11]
nubbins` Adlai not to mention that in the very next arbitrarily small slice of time, each of those 21 sets of atoms is now in a different state [20:12]
trinque Adlai: yeh agreed they are distinct [20:12]
nubbins` unless you're bringing quantum tunneling into it 8) [20:12]
Adlai nubbins`: actually, i'd maintain the same even if harriezer's simulators recreate exactly what happens to trinque's brain in real time [20:12]
nubbins` danielpbarron the concept of "enough" varies from person to person! [20:12]
nubbins` nod [20:13]
Adlai whether the identical programs on identical hardware ever read from /dev/random is another matter [20:13]
Adlai but either way, they're still separate instances [20:13]
Adlai even if their 'state' is identical [20:13]
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nubbins` if you accept the multiverse as an axiom, there are already infinitely many copies of the universe in which the entirety of states that the atoms of your brain will ever arrange themselves in are precisely identical [20:13]
nubbins` Adlai they're fungible! [20:14]
Adlai yes. in such a multiverse, there are an infinite number of identical 'people', but each one thinks of itself as itself. the others are fungible, but the self is unique. [20:14]
trinque I'd just ask Yudkowski "how are all of you feeling today?" [20:15]
trinque he can't answer that [20:15]
trinque knows he's full of shit [20:15]
trinque it's barely worth considering [20:15]
trinque no subjective experience can travel across his abstact bridge [20:15]
trinque *abstract [20:15]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061016 << let's analogize that to http://www.legiontheory.com/ [20:16]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 23:04:33; jurov: if you don't do fork but just spawn threads? what is self there? [20:16]
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trinque Adlai: dennett went down that road too as I recall [20:17]
trinque the "pandemonium model" of mind? [20:17]
Adlai yes, and feral neurons [20:17]
Adlai http://www.meltingasphalt.com/neurons-gone-wild/ [20:17]
assbot Neurons Gone Wild | Melting Asphalt ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Yjne ) [20:17]
trinque still in my experience there is a distinction between that which is thought and the singular experience of observing that [20:18]
Adlai sorry, dennett himself is at http://edge.org/conversation/the-normal-well-tempered-mind [20:18]
assbot THE NORMAL WELL-TEMPERED MIND | Edge.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Ynn2 ) [20:18]
trinque thoughts do seem to all compete for attention [20:18]
trinque attention seems like one thing [20:18]
Adlai you've never had a thought spring fully-formed into your mind ? [20:18]
trinque certainly [20:18]
trinque what you're calling "your mind" I'm calling attention [20:19]
trinque the observer [20:19]
Adlai sure [20:19]
trinque probably danielpbarron's soul [20:19]
jurov lol "we don't know what is a consciousness? let's say it is composed of many of itself" [20:19]
trinque jurov: heh!!! [20:20]
Adlai cf https://xkcd.com/1489/ [20:20]
assbot xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRP7rs ) [20:20]
Adlai specifically, "Of these four forces, there's one we don't really understand." "Is it the weak force or the strong--" "It's gravity." [20:20]
jurov and where thoughts come from... brain is dreaming all the time, there are easy exercises to access this stream at any time [20:21]
jurov plus there is some pattern matching mechanism between tdreaming and external stimuli [20:22]
jurov to choose what is being processed further and verbalised [20:22]
trinque jurov: had the thought once in meditation that I was always... hm... thinking everything I've ever experienced all the time [20:22]
Adlai someone (iirc dennett) lamented that everybody has their own theory of consciousness, as though this was a bad thing! [20:23]
jurov i've tracked myself many thoughts back to that dream form [20:23]
* Adlai doesn't (yet) see any use to the theory of consciousness beyond discussing it [20:23]
trinque that is certainly so [20:23]
* trinque steps back from the lsd flashback, gets another beer [20:24]
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jurov at least my theory is useful in practice. just close eyes and watch what's happening, no need to be bored ever again [20:25]
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trinque jurov: also good to review whatever's slipped in there while one's distracted [20:25]
Adlai note that you can actually get cevs by doing just this, if you can keep your eyeballs from moving for ~5 minutes [20:26]
jurov it's pointedly nota mediatation in "think of something that is nothing" sense [20:26]
danielpbarron Adlai> note that you can actually get cevs by doing just this, if you can keep your eyeballs from moving for ~5 minutes << i used to do this when getting lecured by my mother as a child [20:26]
Adlai ahahaa [20:26]
jurov what's cev? [20:26]
danielpbarron OEV though [20:26]
Adlai closed-eye visions [20:27]
trinque man when I was a kid, I'd have bizarre dreams [20:27]
Adlai or visuals [20:27]
trinque had one where I asked god what it meant to not exist [20:27]
trinque at around 7 [20:27]
Adlai http://psychedelicfrontier.com/perception-scope-how-conjure-open-eye-visuals/ [20:28]
assbot The Perception Scope: How to Conjure Open-eye Visuals at Will - Psychedelic Frontier ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRQoyL ) [20:28]
trinque lots of others involving apolcalyptic subjects [20:28]
trinque the scenarios the mind can simulate... I'd like a pill someday that causes lucid dreaming [20:28]
nubbins` train yourself for it [20:29]
nubbins` take melatonin, and every time you touch a doorknob or a light switch in waking life, ask yourself "am i dreaming?" [20:29]
trinque I run a business, too reactionary atm [20:29]
trinque if I fall asleep at all I'm good [20:29]
nubbins` eventually the habit will cross over [20:29]
Adlai the idea is to build a habit of doubting whether you're awake [20:30]
nubbins` and you'll find your dream-self holding a doorknob wondering if you're dreaming [20:30]
trinque I'll try it out [20:30]
nubbins` i had a roomie who did this with moderate success [20:30]
jurov i'm all for moderation. not immerse yourself in it, just be aware of the stream [20:30]
Adlai https://medium.com/@Grayfox/the-hacker-who-drank-ayahuasca-517148aa1ed4 [20:31]
assbot The Hacker Who Drank Ayahuasca — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9ZROf ) [20:31]
nubbins` jurov classic explanation of LSD action is that it removes the filters that your brain normally automatically applies to that stream [20:31]
trinque Adlai: that one's on the list for when I can take a long enough vacation [20:31]
jurov s/automatic/learned [20:31]
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trinque 2c-e was a hell of a journey once upon a time [20:32]
trinque seems like it messed with whatever simulates the world visually in the brain [20:32]
trinque found thoughts escaping out into the things I was seeing around me [20:32]
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trinque that kind of thing [20:33]
Adlai literally, psychedelic = manifesting the mind [20:33]
trinque ah, there you go [20:33]
nubbins` jurov ooh, i like that, +1 [20:33]
trinque shapes would form in front of me that corresponded to concepts, or so it seemed [20:33]
jurov lol you insist on psychedelic and whatnot. i'm about normal brain function [20:33]
jurov this: http://www.winwenger.com/imstream.htm [20:34]
assbot Project Renaissance, Image-Streaming ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa0bMV ) [20:34]
trinque it is probably utterly american of me to desire the right technology to experience such things [20:34]
Adlai not really insisting, but the wagon is not moderate [20:34]
jurov "Contrary to recent general belief, virtually every human can quickly and readily learn to "get pictures" in his mind's eye, thus becoming able to do visual thinking." [20:34]
trinque as opposed to the right practice [20:34]
jurov heh technique. can't get any simpler than trying to describe what comes to mind [20:35]
trinque jurov: hm, seems just like what one does telling a story to another [20:36]
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jurov when you're telling a story you're doing it to some purpose [20:39]
jurov this is describing whatever is happening in the brain [20:39]
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asciilifeform the whole 'copy isn't you' thing is pure unadulterated vitalism, however. [20:49]
asciilifeform it is no accident, incidentally, that chemistry went nowhere until vitalism was banished from it [20:50]
asciilifeform and physics ground to a screeching halt when bohr reintroduced it to physics [20:50]
asciilifeform the answer to 'is the copy you' is 'shutthefuckup you're asking a broken question' [20:50]
asciilifeform (while you read this paragraph, it is quite likely that at least one of your neurons died. and wasn't even replaced with a copyable mechanical one, at that. are you 'still you' ? and moreover, do you find the question itself interesting, or the answer being something that matters ?) [20:52]
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nubbins` re: neurons gone wild [20:56]
Adlai well, you do become 'less yourself', until there's nothing left... although it's a more complex process than just cells dying [20:56]
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nubbins` you apparently see at comic-con type events a lot of people who have an "other self" [20:56]
nubbins` generally some sort of furry [20:56]
Adlai http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain_basics/ninds_neuron.htm#death [20:56]
assbot The Life and Death of a Neuron: National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa3gMN ) [20:56]
asciilifeform nubbins`: to find people with 'more than one self' you generally have to visit more than one asylum [20:57]
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asciilifeform (most 'multiple personality' cases are really just schizophrenics playing games. ask a specialist) [20:57]
Adlai ah, that word again [20:57]
nubbins` 8) [20:57]
trinque asciilifeform: well yeah, I think defining self is meaningless [20:57]
trinque but saying that is distinct from saying it doesn't exist [20:57]
trinque can I tell you what it feels like for me to type this? [20:57]
nubbins` asciilifeform i published an (embellished) bio of a man with schizophrenia [20:58]
Adlai most people roleplaying at conventions aren't even as 'dissociated' as a good method actor [20:58]
nubbins` *autobio [20:58]
trinque there's an experience happening over here, and it has an extent [20:58]
asciilifeform nubbins`: yeah i recall the thread [20:58]
trinque the extent of that experience will not expand when you duplicate me [20:58]
Adlai and it's a stretch to say that professional actors are schizophrenic, although many of them do seem to fear zoltan [20:58]
nubbins` there's a large chunk of the book that could be misidentified as schizo by the unqualified observer [20:58]
nubbins` but it's really just runaway thoughts [20:58]
nubbins` coupled with hypothetical "suppose this strawman was ME" type clauses [20:59]
trinque now hell, "you" [20:59]
trinque you is a broken concept for sure [20:59]
asciilifeform trinque: you say this, and so will the copy [20:59]
trinque asciilifeform: right, indistinguishable to you [20:59]
asciilifeform and then mircea_popescu walks in with a '45 and asks which one to shoot [20:59]
trinque however a copy of you would be distinguishable to you [20:59]
asciilifeform which me [20:59]
asciilifeform l0l [20:59]
trinque doesn't matter [20:59]
Adlai http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/03/15/answer-to-job/ [20:59]
trinque each is distinct to itself [20:59]
assbot Answer to Job | Slate Star Codex ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa3DqR ) [20:59]
nubbins` "which do i shoot" "either or, but not both" [20:59]
trinque asciilifeform: seems like you're thinking from an imaginary 3rd person perspective [21:00]
trinque all that matters to whichever me is me, is uh... me [21:00]
trinque lol [21:00]
asciilifeform but unless you posit some bit of of shamanism that distinguishes the original and is somehow copy-protected, the copying -happened- [21:00]
trinque talking at crossways I think [21:00]
trinque one's talking about identity, the other being [21:00]
asciilifeform (typically shaman says that no such thing as the copy could even be attempted, because the gods will drop a piano on your head.) [21:00]
* asciilifeform does not find ^ a very interesting hypothesis [21:01]
nubbins` copout [21:01]
Adlai in zindell's scifi, their best tech for copying - renders the organ being copied incapable of supporting further consciousness [21:01]
Adlai (functions as a plot element, not a copout) [21:01]
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trinque asciilifeform: I began criticizing the idea that all of the infinite me's are to be considered as though they are the me driving the keyboard [21:03]
trinque whether they are the same to you doesn't matter at all to me [21:03]
trinque I will still strive to be the one not capped by the 45 [21:03]
trinque :p [21:03]
asciilifeform again using this word that no longer has a correct meaning in the hypothetical system [21:03]
asciilifeform 'me' [21:03]
trinque I disagree entirely [21:03]
asciilifeform so shaman? [21:03]
trinque that I am sitting here having this experience defines "me" sufficiently for me to use it [21:04]
trinque if it doesn't for you, who cares? [21:04]
asciilifeform i might care, when it's my turn to argue with my copy about who should be shot [21:04]
asciilifeform but yet again this sentence is an abuse of word. [21:04]
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asciilifeform re: teleporter: there were actually people who refused to travel on steam locomotives because the soul can't keep up and will get lost [21:05]
asciilifeform or somesuch [21:05]
asciilifeform for some reason you don't meet terribly many folks today who won't ride, e.g., an airplane, for this reason [21:06]
asciilifeform even among the devoutly religious [21:06]
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nubbins` except the guys w/ the plastic bags [21:06]
Adlai the meaning of 'me' which is consistent in this system is: "the thing which you perceive yourself as communicating with" [21:06]
asciilifeform wai wat [21:06]
trinque times in the past I have had cluster headaches [21:07]
trinque caused by various head injuries over the years [21:07]
trinque in the midst of that level of pain no one ever questions where he begins and where he ends [21:07]
trinque stab the clone and nothing *here* happens [21:07]
trinque who cares about the clone [21:07]
asciilifeform trinque: you're 'dividing by zero' just by thinking about this [21:08]
asciilifeform just as the rest of us do. [21:08]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/3GHvrdn.jpg [21:08]
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trinque nubbins`: lol [21:08]
asciilifeform nubbins`: what is pictured here ? [21:08]
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asciilifeform contagious patient ? [21:08]
Adlai orthodox jew in a fullbody condom [21:08]
asciilifeform l0l [21:09]
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asciilifeform Adlai: what is the logic behind the condom ? [21:09]
Adlai probably to prevent physical contact with female flight attendants [21:09]
nubbins` asciilifeform apparently some hasidic jews feel they are not permitted to fly over cemeteries [21:09]
jurov i'd fuck myself. we'd only have to resort to reading /dev/random about who goes first. [21:09]
nubbins` the airport in tel aviv is surrounded by cemeteries [21:09]
asciilifeform but the plastic in the fuselage is not sufficient barrier ? [21:09]
trinque the bag was blessed maybe [21:09]
nubbins` this man is -- no joke -- protecting himself from w/e by completely enclosing himself in a plastic bag. [21:09]
asciilifeform why not bless the floor tiles ? [21:09]
asciilifeform for the whole lot of passengers [21:10]
asciilifeform charge extra [21:10]
Adlai there's a sub-race (seriously, they consider themselves a separate tribe-within-the-tribe) who are not allowed to / don't enter cemeteries [21:10]
asciilifeform while alive, presumably ? [21:10]
asciilifeform who, cohanim ? [21:10]
nubbins` yes [21:10]
Adlai yes. in the idf, when we had guided tours of mt hertzl (big military cemetary), they always asked before entering if there were any of them present [21:10]
Adlai lest one accidentally trespass [21:10]
nubbins` "Kohenim are prohibited from coming into contact with dead bodies, and many rabbis have taken the strict opinion that a Kohen may not ride in a plane if he knows ahead of time that it will fly directly over a Jewish cemetery." [21:10]
asciilifeform is it considered a score against the cemetary, or the kohen ? [21:11]
trinque ultimate trolls, whoever thinks up these rules [21:11]
* Adlai actually thought the officer was kidding, the first time this happened [21:11]
nubbins` "The man wrapped in plastic, whose photograph first appeared on the Redditor site and later on the Gothamist site, apparently did not want to take any chances. By covering himself in plastic, he established a separation between him and impurities." [21:11]
bitstein Yea, I remember when I was on my birthright trip, my friend stayed behind when we visited Mt Hertzl. [21:11]
* nubbins` rolls eyes [21:11]
* trinque heads home, enjoyed the philosophical bullshit session [21:11]
Adlai in the case of the army - it would be a terrible failure for the officer to let such a thing happen! [21:11]
nubbins` examine the utter failure of logic by this man [21:12]
nubbins` srsly, a fucking /plastic bag/. [21:12]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i think they grade themselves 'for effort.' consider the rope [21:12]
nubbins` asciilifeform precisely this [21:12]
nubbins` RCs are no different [21:12]
asciilifeform 'eruv' (Adlai: correct transliteration if off) [21:12]
jurov i'd ask them, what if there's a cemetery below him in australia? [21:13]
* Adlai only has distant secondhand knowledge of orthodox theology [21:13]
asciilifeform jurov: follow the logic. they don't care if there is a sea burial going on underneath, or a shipwreck with skeletons [21:13]
asciilifeform because 'graded for effort' [21:13]
asciilifeform and there isn't really a good effort they could make to demonstrate a desire to avoid those [21:13]
jurov dunno if i could resist to troll them with a bone [21:14]
nubbins` gl explaining that to security [21:14]
asciilifeform !s pig burial [21:14]
Adlai what i do know is that one guy took cold showers on the sabbath, because if he opened the hot water tap, it might trigger the thermostat in the base's boiler [21:14]
assbot 3 results for 'pig burial' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pig+burial [21:14]
Adlai emphasis on "might", didn't help to point out that the boiler basically works 24/7 and still doesn't keep up [21:15]
nubbins` which ender's game book was it where they created a race of smart people genetically predisposed to OCD? [21:16]
Adlai either xenocide or children of the mind [21:16]
jurov good that unlike jooz, we have danielpbarron that knows exactly what the letters say [21:16]
nubbins` yeah. reminds me of that in some ways [21:16]
Adlai (which were supposed to be one book, but eventually didn't 'fit in head') [21:16]
nubbins` i got through about 7 of those books before giving up [21:17]
* Adlai just read the first 4. regrets seeing the movie. [21:17]
nubbins` just earth geopolitics after a while [21:17]
Adlai you know, the ones that actually have a plot [21:17]
danielpbarron http://www.atruechurch.info/sabbath.html Those who totally stop every work of their own righteousness (Psalm 16:2; Romans 4:5, "does not work"), and believe on Him who justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5), these are those who fulfill the law (Romans 8:4) and keep a perpetual Sabbath (Hebrews 4:3-4, 9-10). [21:17]
assbot A True Church - The Sabbath ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbPrxv ) [21:17]
nubbins` ender's shadow is nb if you haven't read it [21:17]
nubbins` ender's game from bean's pov [21:17]
Adlai right. ender's game's plot, with different words. it doesn't have its own plot, and i need a few decades before i can read this author again, after children of the mind [21:18]
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nubbins` that's sorta the last one i enjoyed [21:20]
Adlai children, or shadow? [21:20]
nubbins` children of mind [21:20]
* Adlai enjoyed it too, but it was just too long [21:21]
nubbins` speaker for the dead and xenocide were the height [21:21]
Adlai read it back when i had 4-5 hours of daily reading time in middle school [21:21]
nubbins` i read an enormous amount of fiction in uni [21:22]
nubbins` 1000 pages a week at times [21:22]
Adlai extracurricular? [21:22]
nubbins` for lels, yeah [21:22]
nubbins` not much required reading for a cs/math joint major [21:22]
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nubbins` did 1 english course (2 req'd for b.sc., did AP english in hs) [21:23]
nubbins` 24yo nubs was not impressed w/ having to take 1000-level english course with 18y/o's [21:23]
nubbins` skipped 4 consecutive weeks of classes mid-semester, came out w/ an 88 and a letter from the faculty pleading me to change majors [21:24]
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asciilifeform http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RlLqY7OJqUAJ:www.lunsfordnet.com/get/pdf/2595+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us [21:36]
assbot Transition Dreams by Greg Egan "We can't tell you what your own transition dreams will be. The only thing that's certain is ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbTOsz ) [21:36]
asciilifeform ^ re: brain copies [21:36]
asciilifeform w4r3z cache [21:37]
trinque excellent story [21:37]
trinque I should read more Egan [21:37]
trinque luminous is sitting a few feet away [21:38]
Adlai nubbins`: 'english' = literature | composition ? [21:40]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: you may appreciate this thought. So I like XC running, so I just like to run to work out. At some point it's like your body is heating up like a GPU trying to run a video game (hence sweat). So I've always thought of exercising as our bodies running "tough programs". lol [21:40]
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nubbins` Adlai a mix of both [21:52]
nubbins` thestringpuller have you ever thought of eating a large quantity of muscle meat as running a tough program? 8) [21:53]
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thestringpuller ^- da pun is strong with you today [21:54]
jurov yes, on such meat branch prediction and caching fail all the time [21:56]
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nubbins` lel [22:02]
nubbins` core dump [22:03]
thestringpuller on eulora? [22:03]
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nubbins` more meat program puns [22:04]
nubbins` srs tho, takes it outta ya [22:05]
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mircea_popescu !up dEBRUYNE [22:22]
-assbot- You voiced dEBRUYNE for 30 minutes. [22:22]
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mircea_popescu http://baexpats.org/topic/33079-wild-cat-in-back-yard/ << misfortunate cat meets insane gringo [22:23]
assbot Wild Cat In Back Yard - Expat Life - Buenos Aires Expats Group ... ( http://bit.ly/18OtOYN ) [22:23]
asciilifeform how even found this. [22:25]
mircea_popescu i > google! [22:26]
* asciilifeform if had to choose who to render for fat, the animal or the 'man' from the link, would choose the latter without hesitation [22:27]
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mircea_popescu note that it's not even a wild cat. [22:29]
mircea_popescu which would have hopefully killed him. [22:29]
asciilifeform aha. we have idiots like this here [22:29]
asciilifeform who brutally murder any tame animal unfortunate enough to be let out for a walk [22:30]
mircea_popescu "gee, i wonder why the poor cat isn't scaling the wall after being sprayer with permethrin and not being fed for a week" [22:30]
mircea_popescu "could a rope and an open can of tuna solve this problem ? naaah, best call the plumber!" [22:31]
asciilifeform i would greatly enjoy putting the author of the post in the very similar situation. [22:34]
asciilifeform dosage adjusted as necessary. [22:34]
asciilifeform and i'm not even a zoophiliac. [22:35]
mircea_popescu me either [22:35]
mircea_popescu but i guess it's because we're sociopaths, aka, idiot-intolerant. [22:36]
asciilifeform but some 'people' really -are- the 'planetary cancer'' imagined by enviro-whiners. as in, the actual core of truth behind the myth. [22:36]
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asciilifeform as in, there can be very few things more noble than killing them, slowly, and with cameras rolling for posterity. [22:36]
mircea_popescu exactly. my objection isn't particularly that the cat got hurt as much as it is the guy didn't. [22:36]
asciilifeform the beasts fight one another even without idiot man (i know this well enough from watching the wild cats in own yard) [22:37]
asciilifeform though i've yet to find a carcass [22:37]
asciilifeform presumably they keel over somewhere else, in a designated place [22:37]
danielpbarron where does he move from that doesn't have cats? how did he figure out how to move?? [22:37]
asciilifeform danielpbarron: in some parts of usa suburbia, animals found wandering outdoors are mercilessly caught and soap van [22:38]
mircea_popescu actually i used to know, many years ago, an old, 2/3 tailless , earless, blind tomcat. [22:38]
mircea_popescu i guess he was an anarchist cat. [22:39]
asciilifeform how does beast with these handicaps stay afloat ? [22:39]
asciilifeform was fed ? [22:39]
mircea_popescu well i fed it ocasionally. [22:39]
mircea_popescu i imagine plenty of people liked it. [22:39]
mircea_popescu actually hanbot used to feed chicken livers to this blind dog that had a helper tripod dog (one limb cut off, prolly in tram accident). [22:40]
mircea_popescu they made quite the team. [22:40]
danielpbarron i got bit by a feral cat and freaked out less than this guy; didn't go to doctor even [22:40]
asciilifeform we have a tailless one here, and a very ancient skeletal one, both fed [22:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, animals do have all sorts of arrangements. [22:41]
mircea_popescu at least in principle. creatures of habit. [22:41]
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* asciilifeform is experiencing almost a kind of synaesthesia. that post -stinks-, just about literally, of american degeneracy. smells kinda like 'mcdonalds' [22:43]
nubbins` the guy sprayed a can of raid in a cat's face? [22:44]
asciilifeform nubbins`: cholinesterase inhibitors work on everybody. just different potencies. [22:44]
nubbins` is relieving him of his skin before he gets sent to the salt mines an option? [22:44]
asciilifeform nubbins`: in the lab i worked at, permethrin was used as a substitute for sarin (the building was not rated for the latter, needs airlocks, etc) [22:45]
asciilifeform or not permethrin [22:45]
asciilifeform what was it [22:45]
mircea_popescu permethrin is this contact insecticide that is well tolerated by mammals, [22:47]
mircea_popescu except notably for cats. [22:47]
mircea_popescu i was just filling in the gaps, dunno wtf he actually used, [22:47]
* asciilifeform forgot precisely what. but leafing through old crap reveals that permethrin is not anticholinergic. so couldn't have been it [22:47]
mircea_popescu but in context this'd be a reasonable expectation. [22:47]
asciilifeform at any rate, i enjoy the picture that one day the correct gas may be found for the degenerate. [22:48]
nubbins` actually yeah permethrin+cats, i remember that one [22:50]
asciilifeform a specifically 'civilized' kind of degeneracy on exhibit here [22:50]
nubbins` permethrin woulda been great for my hammock when i went to colombia ;/ [22:50]
nubbins` nod [22:50]
nubbins` "a strange happened so i badded it" [22:50]
asciilifeform tries to exercise a delusion of control over his environment via the only means he knows how - by smearing his surroundings, and if you let him - entire planets - with his shit [22:51]
asciilifeform and having the temerity to whine if a white spot remains [22:51]
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mircea_popescu "a strange happened so i badded it" << quite. [22:56]
mircea_popescu people go all berserk about milgram experiment. [22:56]
mircea_popescu bs. the problem there isn't anything to do with "people". dependent cattle behave outrageously if taken outside of their pens. [22:57]
mircea_popescu that's the long and the short of it. has nothing to do with people. [22:57]
asciilifeform ^ [22:57]
mircea_popescu the word for this can be "civilised", but it just as well be "fucking stupid". [22:57]
mircea_popescu "o look, the usual crutches i use to hide my idiocy don't work, now it's nude on display". [22:57]
mircea_popescu "well... that'd be because you're an idiot." [22:58]
asciilifeform civilized. [22:58]
asciilifeform is the correct word. [22:58]
mircea_popescu we don't agree. slavegirls are civilised. [22:58]
mircea_popescu these schmucks are just brainwashed. [22:58]
asciilifeform then possibly needs word [22:58]
mircea_popescu there IS a difference. [22:58]
asciilifeform but it goes as closely with civilization as lead poisoning. [22:58]
mircea_popescu so what if it does. tb goes with pallor, we don't call one the other. [22:59]
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asciilifeform to rephrase - i'm not certain that anyone knows how to 'civilization' without producing more of this material than anyone knows how to pour into concrete and bury [22:59]
mircea_popescu i am quite certain at least someone does. [22:59]
mircea_popescu it starts with "you will be beaten daily until you know how this works" [23:00]
mircea_popescu as opposed to "this is ~how we use this~." [23:00]
mircea_popescu one's civilisational, the other's brainwashing. [23:00]
asciilifeform incidentally, notice how english speakers use word 'training' outside of the context of spinal reflex (sport) [23:01]
asciilifeform it refers to precisely 'this is how we use' [23:01]
mircea_popescu yup. [23:01]
mircea_popescu directly anticultural, and through that mediation, civilisation-destroying. [23:01]
mircea_popescu tries to exercise a delusion of control over his environment via the only means he knows how - by smearing his surroundings, and if you let him - entire planets - with his shit << this, is, fundamentally, "social media", as the recent maddox link amply explains. [23:03]
mircea_popescu or the one before that. or i suppose most of his links. [23:04]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-history/ [23:05]
asciilifeform the head of cattle, taught by d3m0cr4cy111!!111!1 that he ought to have some kind of control over his stall, goes apeshit outside. [23:06]
asciilifeform because now whole universe 'is' his stall [23:07]
asciilifeform but this is a trivial observation. [23:07]
mircea_popescu so it is. [23:07]
asciilifeform but the less trivial one is that there no such thing as ownerless cattle [23:07]
mircea_popescu this is not directl yobvious. [23:07]
asciilifeform even an ox wandering loose in mumbai (the locals call'em 'brakes inspectors' on the road) - has owner [23:07]
asciilifeform (the crown, who will go after me if i show up with a rifle and a kebeb grill ready to go) [23:08]
mircea_popescu that's your owner, not the ox's. [23:08]
mircea_popescu you will not be on trial for ox damaging, but for human misbehaving. [23:08]
asciilifeform possibly some mix (i can think of a situation where it is precisely about ox damage) [23:09]
mircea_popescu similarly in the recently invented "sex tourism" trials, you're not on trial for there bering a fgucked 12yo in thailand, but for there being a usian citizen that had some fun. [23:09]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if it were about ox damage it'd be a fine. [23:09]
asciilifeform well there, certainly. but i'd argue that usg implicitly takes ownership of the wild things here [23:09]
mircea_popescu only as a result of having taken ownserhip of teh citizenry. [23:10]
asciilifeform in that if obamitler wished, he could hunt the last panda, or fuck 12yo thai [23:10]
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mircea_popescu of course. because he's not a citizen. [23:10]
mircea_popescu how did that inept quote go, "citizens ask for permission." [23:10]
asciilifeform -subjects- [23:10]
asciilifeform it went 'subjects as for permission, citizens something-or-other [23:10]
mircea_popescu meanwhile somewhere else, http://40.media.tumblr.com/afd55aa5ad081e1c989b2a34a160cfeb/tumblr_mrn8l7cs7t1rmm9buo1_1280.jpg [23:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOpnKN ) [23:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nah, believe it or not it didn't. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2015#1055604 [23:11]
assbot Logged on 17-03-2015 19:25:54; mircea_popescu: "Citizens ask for permission, expats ask for forgiveness" << maybe he should ask for a nailgun. [23:11]
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asciilifeform l0l! [23:11]
mircea_popescu nubbins` hey, what;d you cost to make qntra business cards for a dozen ppl and ship em ? [23:12]
mircea_popescu same design, name/surname, nick, gpg key on one side, qntra this that on the other ? [23:12]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060974 << guy does not actually understand anything. [23:13]
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mircea_popescu he, superficially, has an autodidact's understanding of the basics. that means they are subtly broken. he then proceeds from there, and errors compound. [23:14]
mircea_popescu soon enough he's holding a nonsense. [23:14]
mircea_popescu kinda why people go to school : so they can be in the company of their betters (something us kids have serious mental issues with) where they can create this sort of braindamage, be bullied for it, fix it, and so end up sane. [23:15]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060984 << penis better. especially if itends up larger. [23:16]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 22:51:23; jurov: someone go grow a finger from yudkowski's dna and tell him you have the rest of his clone in cellar [23:16]
nubbins` mircea_popescu say 600 bezzlars for a dozen people to get 250 cards each, design + shipping at actual cost [23:18]
nubbins` (hand-printed bizniss cards for $50 per head, you say?!) [23:18]
nubbins` contrast the economy of scale here to alf's $200 book ;( [23:19]
mircea_popescu i can go for that as a qntra perk. you gonna be willing to keep the design and make more of the same if these folks run out / for new folks ? [23:21]
nubbins` we index all our graphics & films, totally [23:21]
mircea_popescu cool. so submit a nice design. [23:21]
mircea_popescu im thinking cazalla bingoboingo thestringpuller danielpbarron right off the bat, cazalla lemme know who else should go in the magic dozen. [23:22]
nubbins` any of the above who have particular ideas about how they want their cards to NOT look, best speak up [23:22]
danielpbarron i like simple / white background black text sorta thing [23:23]
mircea_popescu nubbins` : name/surname ; nick ; gpg/gpg on one face, dunno exactly what should be for qntra on the other. [23:24]
mircea_popescu i guess it's time to come up with a byline for it hm. [23:24]
nubbins` bunny rabbit [23:24]
mircea_popescu you think ? pics usually make cards look cheap [23:24]
danielpbarron ^ ++ [23:24]
nubbins` lel, i kid [23:24]
danielpbarron i literally have a crate of business cards saved up [23:25]
mircea_popescu later tell bingoboingo here is your very helpful trigger : ^ [23:25]
danielpbarron i collect the things [23:25]
* mircea_popescu pictures danielpbarron doing that thing with the cards in american psycho [23:25]
nubbins` i actually need to print more for myself [23:26]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bingoboingo here is your very helpful trigger : ^ [23:26]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:26]
danielpbarron i don't think i've seen that movie [23:26]
nubbins` mircea_popescu i never understood the concept of a "paper erection" until i got into this biz, ya know [23:26]
mircea_popescu christian slater is almost hot. [23:26]
mircea_popescu but the film could definitely have done with a lot more and a lot better nudity. [23:26]
nubbins` now it's all flared nostrils & running fingertips over things [23:26]
danielpbarron oh yeah, not some weird non-standard shape / fold-out w/e [23:26]
mircea_popescu a showgirls style casual nudity meets american psycho casual psychopathology would rock. [23:27]
nubbins` fold-outs 0/10 would not do [23:27]
danielpbarron good. [23:27]
nubbins` maybe black paper [23:27]
mircea_popescu nubbins` noteven for ronald mc donald / gavin mcsatoshi / etc ? [23:27]
mircea_popescu ah, my gold on black cards look awesome. [23:27]
nubbins` puzzle or word search on the back maybe [23:27]
mircea_popescu course, not so easy to pull it off, need just the right kinda asshole. [23:27]
nubbins` we did some gold on black recently [23:27]
nubbins` not sure if i have pics handy, but i know there's a couple cards downstairs [23:28]
nubbins` actually, bird book has gold on black as well [23:28]
nubbins` !s plough [23:28]
assbot 7 results for 'plough' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=plough [23:28]
mircea_popescu hired another lawyer the other day, left him my card, then when we met socially later he was like... well the office tried to figure out wtf. first we thought those must be like mail codes of your country. but then that didn't make sense. so susie said you must be in porn. [23:28]
nubbins` http://i.imgur.com/pxZ4arA.jpg [23:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOuR8e ) [23:29]
nubbins` not quite the best shot to show it off, but yknow [23:29]
nubbins` looks ballin [23:29]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that gold looks more like bronze [23:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not a gpg-enabled lawyer, i take it [23:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.0002943 = 3.1343 BTC [+] [23:29]
nubbins` that's actually a pure gold base w/ some orange pigment added [23:29]
nubbins` good eye on ya 8) [23:30]
mircea_popescu o gawd, looking for stuff I r find... http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/extradited-by-my-rubber-ducklings.html [23:30]
assbot Print Page - MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOv8bb ) [23:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not at that time. [23:30]
asciilifeform who was it who had the steel businesscards. [23:33]
nubbins` gross [23:33]
nubbins` why not glitter? [23:34]
asciilifeform nono [23:34]
nubbins` or nettles [23:34]
asciilifeform with actual cutouts. massive co2 laser. [23:34]
nubbins` what am i gonna do with a steel business card [23:34]
asciilifeform http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ryw4r_eG--/18s0bpicjpxufjpg.jpg [23:34]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOwkvg ) [23:35]
asciilifeform ^ this possibly [23:35]
nubbins` HA [23:35]
nubbins` ok, fair enough [23:36]
nubbins` s.nsa cards w/ cardano pcb traces silkscreened in copper ink [23:36]
mircea_popescu you know, there's this legend that actually happened of romanian mobster that got shot coming out of a restaurant [23:36]
mircea_popescu except he was shotwith a .38 and he was carring money. so it didn't go through. [23:36]
nubbins` 50% transparent mask layer on top [23:36]
asciilifeform nubbins`: i drew a pcb card for mircea_popescu half-seriously [23:37]
mircea_popescu so... have a buncha steel business cards, make your own armor [23:37]
asciilifeform (it's linked in a comment on his site iirc) [23:37]
nubbins` it'd work [23:37]
asciilifeform !s ppsh [23:37]
mircea_popescu it did work. bullet didn't even make it through the whole ~200 leaves. [23:37]
assbot 3 results for 'ppsh' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ppsh [23:37]
mircea_popescu polymer banknotes. [23:37]
nubbins` asciilifeform the only material difference between one and the other is the substrate [23:38]
* asciilifeform trying to find ancient thread re: drunken red army folks having a duel with submachineguns and blocked by greatcoats [23:38]
* asciilifeform then remembered that the legend featured american 'thompson' brought on lend-lease [23:38]
asciilifeform http://www.quicksprout.com/images/businesscards/officedesk.jpg [23:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOxuXC ) [23:40]
asciilifeform or simply picture a card with btc privkey [23:41]
asciilifeform (funded just a bit) [23:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if i remember correctly, usg is on record saying they lack the ability to input a printed gpg privkey. [23:42]
mircea_popescu was in some court case or other during the great assault on private email providers of 2012-2013 [23:42]
asciilifeform iirc it was 'not sop therefore chew for us and feed into mouth or else' [23:42]
asciilifeform lavabit case [23:42]
mircea_popescu a yes. [23:42]
mircea_popescu that had me for a chuckle, you know ? "too lazy to type it in, it's like characters and shit" [23:43]
mircea_popescu then on the other line alf was going nuts about kbd emanations good for 20 meters even! [23:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060994 << this is more of an infantilism than a defect. [23:44]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 22:56:06; trinque: there's a mental defect where one considers himself to be an idea [23:44]
asciilifeform let's have gedankenexperiment (is trinque still awake ?) [23:45]
nubbins` was he ever :0 [23:46]
asciilifeform suppose a man were disassembled into components, sorted by atomic mass. then, next day, reassembled. answer - a) this cannot be done for Reasons b) he died and was replaced with soul-less copy c) he simply got paused and then resumed, will wonder where the day went but nothing else d) none of the above ? [23:46]
mircea_popescu hey, did you know trauma is "dreaming" in german ? [23:46]
mircea_popescu and kunts = art ? [23:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform allow me to answer that! [23:47]
mircea_popescu One more dies one more lives, one baby cries One mother grieves... [23:47]
asciilifeform this is an ancient mega-war, yes, i know. [23:47]
mircea_popescu and now with music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI60crM-piE [23:47]
assbot Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son Lyrics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOzC1I ) [23:48]
mircea_popescu possibly the best song of all time. [23:48]
mircea_popescu DEFINITELY a better approach to the entire eliezer/potter bs than either of the proponents. [23:50]
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mircea_popescu plus it only takes ten minutes or so. [23:50]
nubbins` kunts [23:52]
nubbins` kunst! [23:52]
asciilifeform kuntskammer [23:52]
mircea_popescu nubbins` don't opress my convenient dyslexia! [23:52]
mircea_popescu (there's a widely known, at least in europe, welt der kunst, world of art. /me had classmates going for a while that it simply means "wealth of cunts") [23:53]
nubbins` ;;google mommy and me are animals [23:53]
gribble Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube: ; - Mommy & me rescue - Shamokin, PA Rescue Animals: ; Mommy & me rescue - Adopt a Pet: [23:53]
nubbins` ^ speaking of kunst [23:53]
nubbins` if you wanna see some bizarre [23:54]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` i recall discussing that guy last year. [23:55]
nubbins` nod [23:55]
nubbins` i actually ran into this guy in berlin last summer, hey? [23:56]
nubbins` (and his mother) [23:56]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061025 << i suspect the importance of that is strictly local. ie, some club of idiots got owned by this concept specially constructed for their particular disabilities. [23:56]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 23:06:34; nubbins`: and much realer than rololol's basilisk [23:56]
decimation asciilifeform: re: asciilifeform: presumably they keel over somewhere else, in a designated place < cats are well known for anticipating their deaths and crawling up some inaccessible hole beforehand to die [23:57]
asciilifeform incidentally, the 'basilisk' spoken of is not the usual mythological one, [23:57]
decimation probably some kind of protection instinct [23:57]
asciilifeform but the one featured in the short story 'blit' [23:57]
mircea_popescu nubbins` you know what i'd like to see, a reality show of this guy and athene the best paladin in the world (with his mother) [23:57]
mircea_popescu french vs german! [23:57]
decimation Ich moechte gern ein Eis bitte [23:57]
asciilifeform decimation: i always mistrusted this explanation. beasts do not need to sense their deaths to turn up expired in some inaccessible place. [23:57]
nubbins` https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLYrFR9RT_U [23:58]
assbot Best Paladin of The World pwning nubs on My Heart Will Go On from Celine Dion (ATHENE #1) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOCdsp ) [23:58]
nubbins` o.O [23:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061032 << for my peace of mind, what do you think qt is ? [23:58]
assbot Logged on 20-03-2015 23:07:43; nubbins`: unless you're bringing quantum tunneling into it 8) [23:58]
asciilifeform they could easily go there every day, and simply fail to come out [23:58]
* decimation doesn't own cats, but has heard several anecdotes [23:58]
nubbins` mircea_popescu just checking to see if anyone was paying attention 8) [23:58]
mircea_popescu nubbins` http://trilema.com/2012/cel-mai-bun-paladin-din-the-world/ [23:59]
assbot Cel mai bun paladin din the world. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOCvj4 ) [23:59]
mircea_popescu nubbins` but nevertheless... [23:59]
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