Forum logs for 20 Mar 2015
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu | (the Dictionnaire raisonne des sciences, des arts, et des metiers. was essentially a b-a of the time fork of human knowledge of the time. it was wildly successful in spite of being mostly wrong) | [00:01] |
trinque | I don't know much about rousseau, except that I recall him being mentioned by someone who was arguing bureaucracy was the greatest of all human inventions, and this with utter seriousness | [00:03] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: but many of the folks in that wot ended up throwing derps into the woodchipper | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | trinque that's about where you'd expect it. | [00:03] |
trinque | person was a fucking moron who worshipped big govt | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | decimation who, d'alembert ? lebreton ? | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | trinque bureaucracy has its uses. the problem is that the context it'd be useful in and the context in which it thrives are so wildly divorced. | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | sorta like how wolves would make excellent guard dogs, if only they stopped going and killing all the sheep and stayed at the fucking door instead. | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | one might even say: bureaucracy was the first computer | [00:05] |
decimation | voltaire, et al weren't exactly fans of the ancien regime | [00:05] |
asciilifeform | computer of meat | [00:05] |
trinque | I can see the point; a space is declared within which rules and processes accumulate | [00:06] |
asciilifeform | peter 1 introduced bureaucracy in ru, and is worshipped for it | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | voltaire was a great fan, what are you talking about ? | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform ayup/ | [00:06] |
trinque | but doing the accumulation as a good in itself seems to be where the insanity lies? | [00:06] |
trinque | I recall the self-licking ice cream cone metaphor | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the computer of meat approach may well explain why it sucks so bad since 1900s. not a bad heuristic. | [00:07] |
asciilifeform | it is how i always explain it to n00bs | [00:07] |
asciilifeform | can make a computer out of near-anything | [00:07] |
asciilifeform | but the only suitable material, in the old days, was meat | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | the other thing is : bureaucracy makes an excellent woman and an applaing man. | [00:07] |
mircea_popescu | for as long as bureaucracy = the slaves of peter, or julius, or w/e, that may well work. | [00:08] |
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trinque | so happens the fan of bureaucracy was female | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | once people try to be run by a bureaucracy however... god help'em. | [00:08] |
mircea_popescu | even patently retarded stuff like "Smart contracts" seem preferable by that experience. | [00:10] |
asciilifeform | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUdQuy6SZc | [00:11] |
assbot | Hermes Bureaucrat song - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzqJYM ) | [00:11] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | til "transhumanism" has a logo | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | how the fuck does this work. | [00:11] |
mircea_popescu | i've never seen cancer this organised before. | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | take it up with thiel | [00:12] |
asciilifeform | who, as i understand, is paying | [00:12] |
mircea_popescu | oh, is that it ? | [00:13] |
asciilifeform | aha | [00:13] |
asciilifeform | him. | [00:13] |
mircea_popescu | "Transhumanism (abbreviated as H+ or h+) is an international cultural and intellectual movement with an eventual goal of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities." | [00:13] |
asciilifeform | note that not even remotely true as printed on the crate | [00:13] |
mircea_popescu | why so shy you know ? what's wrong with "Transhumanism is Thiel's stab at b-a. He thinks Omidyar's stab at qntra failed for reasons unrelated." | [00:14] |
asciilifeform | -zero- actual work on lickliderian or engelbartian 'intelligence amplification' concept from these bozos | [00:14] |
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asciilifeform | much less anything actually hard like ai | [00:14] |
mircea_popescu | "This article is about the futurist ideology and movement. For the critique of humanism, see posthumanism. For the pattern of seasonal migration, see transhumance. For persons experiencing incongruence between their actual gender and the gender assigned to them at birth, see trans man, trans woman, and transgender." << best part imo. | [00:14] |
asciilifeform | l0l! | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | no mention of trans fats? | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works. "nobody's using bitcoin, nobody could have foreseen their using a plane as a rocket and nobody's doing anything better nor anything better could exist than ... you know, raising awareness" | [00:15] |
asciilifeform | or transesterification ? | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | it's a thing, all this. | [00:15] |
mircea_popescu | "The most common thesis put forward is that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label posthuman." | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | check it out lmao, an international cultural and intellectual "movement" that aspires to one day... label soemthing! | [00:16] |
asciilifeform | 'able' because cthulhu will wish it ? | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | no but it's splendid. so they aspire to... names! | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | maybe humanity could go to transyale and get a transphd ? | [00:17] |
trinque | someday we will be caught up in the heavens with white robes, and our bodies will be purified | [00:17] |
trinque | there's gotta be a damn circuit for this shit in the head | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | trinque: they have a literal version of this! | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | 'uploading' | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | "This hypothesis would lay the intellectual groundwork for the British philosopher Max More to begin articulating the principles of transhumanism as a futurist philosophy in 1990 and organizing in California an intelligentsia that has since grown into the worldwide transhumanist movement." | [00:18] |
trinque | asciilifeform: lol oh I know | [00:18] |
trinque | it is techno-christianity | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | basically this is scientology bahai ? do they speak esperanto ? | [00:18] |
asciilifeform | trinque: it was slightly more interesting before was obvious sc4mz0r1ng | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | "Influenced by seminal works of science fiction, the transhumanist vision of a transformed future humanity has attracted many supporters and detractors from a wide range of perspectives." aaahahahaha | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | dude omfg... this is a parody is it ? | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | when tech was actually kinda moving, '70s-80s, and a number of things looked quasi-plausible with one eye closed | [00:19] |
mircea_popescu | wikipedia is turning into tvtropes. | [00:19] |
trinque | asciilifeform: yudkowski even invented the beast or satan or w/e, that AI that resolves to abuse your eternal soul forever if you oppose it | [00:19] |
trinque | hm might not have been him, but I read he fears it | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | trinque: aha | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | no it was him | [00:19] |
mircea_popescu | how do you abuse the eternal soul ? | [00:19] |
mircea_popescu | make it read bad fanfic about "bullies" ? | [00:19] |
trinque | pls don't trigger me | [00:19] |
asciilifeform | he actually proclaimed a fatwa, since deleted (iirc) justifying the murder of anyone who might risk bringing about this situation | [00:20] |
trinque | triggered for all time! | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | who the fuck is max moore is what i wanna know | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | "Max More (born Max T. O'Connor, January 1964) is a philosopher and futurist who writes, speaks, and consults on advanced decision-making about emerging technologies." | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | !s jaron lanier | [00:20] |
assbot | 6 results for 'jaron lanier' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jaron+lanier | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | !s digirati | [00:20] |
assbot | 0 results for 'digirati' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=digirati | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | ^ them. | [00:20] |
decimation | we discussed lanier earlier | [00:20] |
asciilifeform | that entire social set. | [00:20] |
mircea_popescu | so like... being a playboy model without the tits ? | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | 'public intellectuals' | [00:21] |
mircea_popescu | not quite. | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | as seen elsewhere on the planet. cocksucking sycophants of the most degenerate imaginable kind | [00:21] |
mircea_popescu | public intellectuals are actually educated people. | [00:21] |
mircea_popescu | how about "marketeers without a product" ? | [00:21] |
asciilifeform | using the phrase in the derisive chinese sense | [00:22] |
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decimation | their produt is 'pay attention to meee' | [00:22] |
asciilifeform | (as described in http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-rage-of-cultural-elites.html ) | [00:22] |
assbot | ClubOrlov: The Rage of the Cultural Elites ... ( http://bit.ly/1CrL2Jb ) | [00:22] |
mircea_popescu | Founder of the Extropy Institute, Max More has written many articles espousing the philosophy of transhumanism and the transhumanist philosophy of extropy,[6] most importantly his Principles of Extropy (currently version 3.11) | [00:22] |
mircea_popescu | ok, this im reading then | [00:22] |
mircea_popescu | "Extropy is a proposed opposing concept to entropy. As entropy decreases , signifying more order, so extropy would increase in the manner of negentropy." | [00:23] |
mircea_popescu | holy shit. enthalpy never happened ? | [00:23] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: the actual founding document of mr y's garbage is actually this: http://mindstalk.net/vinge/vinge-sing.html | [00:23] |
assbot | Vernor Vinge on the Singularity ... ( http://bit.ly/198l4wD ) | [00:23] |
mircea_popescu | god im sick of fucktarded usians giving their name to random items. | [00:23] |
mircea_popescu | "and this tree i call jorje". | [00:23] |
* | asciilifeform has an ancient copy of this, printed on matrix printer, yellowed with ages | [00:23] |
mircea_popescu | "Extropy also attempts to describe the nature of the order, so a crystal , although highly ordered would have low extropy, but an organism or machine would have high extropy because of the informational structure contained within it. " | [00:23] |
mircea_popescu | where's my red F | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | vinge was (is?) a maths prof who went off the reservation and turned into a 3rd rate sf writer | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.extropy.org/principles.htm | [00:24] |
assbot | Object not found! ... ( http://bit.ly/198linx ) | [00:24] |
mircea_popescu | check out the complexity. fucking fucktards already. | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | !s vinge | [00:24] |
assbot | 3 results for 'vinge' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vinge | [00:24] |
asciilifeform | possibly '3rd rate' is uncharitable. but he is quite unreadable today | [00:25] |
* | asciilifeform tried | [00:25] |
decimation | of course all of them would dismiss the YHWH worshipping Jews and Christians as credulous simpletons | [00:25] |
decimation | but fear the great AI demon! | [00:25] |
mircea_popescu | Date: Thu, March 19, 2015 11:21 pm | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | To: webmaster@extropy.org | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | Hello, we | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | think you are stupid. | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | Carry on. | [00:26] |
asciilifeform | decimation: never mind that not one could describe the first thing about building a computer which does not barf regularly | [00:26] |
trinque | :D | [00:26] |
decimation | asciilifeform: hey, they have a research program | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | In the mid-1970s F.M. Esfandiary legally[5] changed his name to FM-2030 for two main reasons. Firstly, to reflect the hope and belief that he would live to celebrate his 100th birthday in 2030 | [00:27] |
mircea_popescu | died in 2000. | [00:27] |
mircea_popescu | must suck to be these people. | [00:28] |
asciilifeform | they have... phaith! | [00:28] |
mircea_popescu | The concept of the technological singularity, or the ultra-rapid advent of superhuman intelligence, was first proposed by the British cryptologist I. J. Good in 1965: "Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever." | [00:28] |
mircea_popescu | check it out... | [00:28] |
asciilifeform | betcha he croaked convinced to the hilt he'd be ancestor-simmed. | [00:28] |
mircea_popescu | i love these scientists that don't even bother putting magic numbers in the code anymore. | [00:29] |
mircea_popescu | hey asciilifeform have we far surpassed yet or not ? | [00:29] |
asciilifeform | much. | [00:29] |
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mircea_popescu | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/H%2B_Cover_1.jpg << "Cover of the first issue of h+ Magazine, a web-based quarterly publication that focuses on transhumanism." | [00:29] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/198mLKk ) | [00:30] |
* | assbot gives voice to bitstein | [00:30] |
mircea_popescu | apaprently the future is with bad lipstick and weirdo muslim headwear. | [00:30] |
asciilifeform | the vinge essay is pertinent to the 'phoom' (actual name, iirc, for the apocalypse mechanism mr y believes in) | [00:30] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google Natasha Vita-More nude | [00:31] |
gribble | Natasha Vita-More on Whole Body Prosthetic - YouTube: |
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mircea_popescu | mmmkay. | [00:31] |
asciilifeform | 'phoom' is, in his cosmology, the conflagration resulting from a 'non-friendly' (read: not designed under mr y's tutelage) thinking machine which sets to work improving and crafting copies of self | [00:31] |
asciilifeform | out of the remaining universe (how? ask him, not me) | [00:31] |
asciilifeform | this is also called 'paperclipping' | [00:31] |
mircea_popescu | wikipedia goes through an entire bio article without resolving her relationship to the max more dude. | [00:31] |
bitstein | asciilifeform:he actually proclaimed a fatwa, since deleted (iirc) justifying the murder of anyone who might risk bringing about this situation << Roko's Basilisk at least frightened people enough for him to delete everything about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_basilisk | [00:32] |
asciilifeform | from an illustration where a malevolent apparatus converts all of the matter in the universe into paperclips. | [00:32] |
assbot | LessWrong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/198npHM ) | [00:32] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform why exactly do we suspect very intelligent machines would reproduce ? | [00:32] |
mircea_popescu | very intelligent humans don't seem to. | [00:32] |
asciilifeform | in his doctrine, it wasn't specified as something they would necessarily do to reproduce in the animal sense, but as a side-effect of operation | [00:33] |
mircea_popescu | right. just like people. | [00:33] |
asciilifeform | sorta like fire doesn't distinguish between 'designated' fuel and your house | [00:33] |
mircea_popescu | but fire is not intelligent. | [00:33] |
asciilifeform | basically he proposed that intelligence per se could behave like fire. | [00:34] |
mircea_popescu | so his idea of superintelligence is superstupidity ? | [00:34] |
asciilifeform | aha. | [00:34] |
mircea_popescu | way to let one's own wounded narcisism get hold of the whole cart. | [00:34] |
mircea_popescu | seriously eliezer baby : first off we know you're stupid, and second off it really doesn't make much difference. okay ? | [00:34] |
mircea_popescu | let it rest. | [00:34] |
asciilifeform | specifically that any 'superintelligence' not crafted under his tutelage would inevitably turn into a world-burner of superstupid | [00:34] |
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decimation | mircea_popescu: the problem is that he's been 'endowed', which means his new career is to pump this stuff out | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | sorta like unbaptised kids ? | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | !up poli_ | [00:35] |
-assbot- | You voiced poli_ for 30 minutes. | [00:35] |
* | assbot gives voice to poli_ | [00:35] |
poli_ | Hey | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | decimation hardly much of a problem neh ? | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | and who might you be poli_ ? | [00:35] |
poli_ | Is Milk here? I have a question regarding Bitbets. | [00:35] |
decimation | well, insofar as it acts as a bezzlar sink, no | [00:35] |
poli_ | An enterprising bitcoin lover. | [00:35] |
mircea_popescu | shoot. | [00:36] |
poli_ | Referred to this overflowing channel via bitbet as well. | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | decimation some other guy got a job as area supervisor of kfc, you know ? nothing wrong with it. | [00:36] |
mircea_popescu | poli_ so what's your question ? | [00:36] |
poli_ | I was curious as to what kind of political questions are allowed. | [00:37] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i'm half convinced that yudkowsky's job is to tie up the brain cpu cycles of folks who could amount to something | [00:37] |
asciilifeform | into harmless masturbatorium | [00:37] |
poli_ | My own specialty is in politicaly analysis and I've been waiting for the chance to put my knowledge to good use. | [00:37] |
trinque | asciilifeform: "the beautiful ones" | [00:37] |
mircea_popescu | poli_ so go for it. | [00:37] |
asciilifeform | his forum housed the largest collection of people who showed symptoms of having a brain which i ever encountered prior to #b-a | [00:37] |
asciilifeform | at least, encountered in one place | [00:37] |
poli_ | As in ask the question here? | [00:37] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform interesting. | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | anyone willing to admit an ex lesswrong persona ? | [00:38] |
poli_ | Why not, sure. | [00:38] |
danielpbarron | !s "ask to ask" | [00:38] |
assbot | 6 results for '"ask to ask"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22ask+to+ask%22 | [00:38] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: admit << me. | [00:38] |
poli_ | I know lesswrong all to well. | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [00:38] |
asciilifeform | http://lesswrong.com/user/asciilifeform/overview | [00:38] |
assbot | Overview for asciilifeform - Less Wrong | [00:38] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you got banned for spamming ? | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | not quite | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | just told that 'the likes of you ain't welcom' | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | "Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment that assumes that an otherwise benevolent future artificial intelligence (AI) would torture the simulated selves of the people who did not help bring about the AI's existence. [...] The concept was proposed in 2010 by contributor Roko in a discussion on LessWrong. Yudkowsky deleted the posts regarding it and banned further discussion of Roko's basilisk on LessWrong after it had | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | apparently caused several contributors who took it seriously considerable anguish." | [00:39] |
poli_ | But anyways, mine question. Would I be allowed to bet on the following question: President Poroshenko will cease to be president of the Ukraine within 4 months. | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | but in all fairness i haven't pushed the knob on that account in years | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | i don't get it. why would anyone care about some simulation ?! | [00:39] |
asciilifeform | no idea if still worx | [00:39] |
mircea_popescu | poli_ yes. | [00:39] |
poli_ | Well the idea is that Roko's basilisk | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | afaik there's a bunch of these. | [00:40] |
poli_ | will motivate people into bringing it around | [00:40] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: why would anyone care about some simulation << in mr y's world, the simulated organism -is- you | [00:40] |
poli_ | thereby bringing the simulation into existence | [00:40] |
poli_ | So burn all the records so people dont think of it | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitbet.us/bet/1007/president-obama-impeached-before-2015/ etc | [00:40] |
assbot | BitBet - President Obama Impeached before 2015 :: 0.01 B (6%) on Yes, 0.15 B (94%) on No | closed 4 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/198plzZ ) | [00:40] |
poli_ | Sweet, and thanks for the answer on the question. | [00:40] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitbet.us/bet/761/venezuelan-president-to-step-down/ etc | [00:41] |
assbot | BitBet - Venezuelan President to step down :: 0.34 B (17%) on Yes, 1.61 B (83%) on No | closed 11 months 1 week ago ... ( http://bit.ly/198pmUy ) | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | poli_ hit the search button, select politics and all bets, and see what the cat drags. | [00:41] |
poli_ | and I don't mean 'impeached', I mean 'cease beingr president', but whatever means fate happens to employ. | [00:41] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform what do you mean "is" | [00:41] |
bitstein | asciilifeform: great link you had posted back in 2009: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.org.mensa/YnGkZSpALew/vsr0iDobXDwJ | [00:41] |
assbot | Google Discussiegroepen ... ( http://bit.ly/198ptPW ) | [00:41] |
asciilifeform | 'is' (in their view) in the same way as the 'you' who goes to the toilet and then comes back 'is' you. | [00:41] |
poli_ | I figured you wouldn't be allowed to bet on overtly non-legal happenings. Thanks for the help Mircea | [00:42] |
asciilifeform | bitstein: penny is inimitable and timeless | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | poli_ so do they keep attacking wikipedia to take it off ? | [00:42] |
asciilifeform | bitstein: she was one of the more interesting folks i ever saw on the net. entirely vanished, long ago. | [00:42] |
mircea_popescu | i don't get the argument tho, why is superai of the future influenced by ruminations of humans today | [00:43] |
poli_ | No idea. I stopped following Lesswrong a while back. | [00:43] |
poli_ | They got super spergy and fairly degen. | [00:43] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ud dege | [00:43] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ud degen | [00:43] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dege | Bre 2 : Alow him fam hes a top dege, chek his high bats. Bre 1 : LOL Example 2. Bre 1 : That dege gets ber rude fam, i dashd his book out da window. Bre 2 : LOL ... | [00:43] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=degen | A degen is one step above the dero or derelict in the scale of madness. Scozz Walker ... Gamblers consider other gamblers degens, but not themselves usually. | [00:43] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: the idea is that the mega-ai appears and has, somehow (forget physics for a moment) a total record of all things | [00:43] |
bitstein | asciilifeform: is there an archive somewhere of her writing? | [00:43] |
poli_ | Plus, I didn't think the Roko's Basilisk scenario was all that likely. | [00:43] |
samO__ | scoopbot shesek shinohai so starsoccer Stellarflip STRML | [00:43] |
poli_ | personal opinion there | [00:43] |
asciilifeform | bitstein: google groups has most of it, but no longer searchable. | [00:43] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform then it's done, no ? | [00:43] |
asciilifeform | bitstein: my hard disk has the 2nd largest, i suspect. | [00:44] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: aha done | [00:44] |
asciilifeform | but thinking about it was giving some of mr y's gurlz nightmares | [00:44] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform what happens if i make two simulations of the same one slavegirl and order them both to fight to the death ? | [00:44] |
asciilifeform | and so he declared jihad | [00:44] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i haven't tried this | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | (while the original's watching, of course) | [00:45] |
asciilifeform | so cannot rightfully apprehend what happens | [00:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78100 @ 0.00029644 = 23.152 BTC [-] | [00:45] |
asciilifeform | who is stronger, the elephant or the whale. | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose i got to ask lesswrong, they seem to know all sortsa shit about how shit that doesn't exist works. | [00:45] |
asciilifeform | i did say to mr y 'inventing circuit breaker before discovering electric current' | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | there was no interesting reply. | [00:46] |
poli_ | indeed Mircea. | [00:46] |
poli_ | indeed. | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | thing is, he wasn't always a charlatan | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | was once an enthusiastic self-taught kid | [00:46] |
scoopbot | New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/uk-regulates-self-out-of-bitcoin/ | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | wrote to him in the '90s while also a kid | [00:46] |
decimation | I take all of the above writing as evidence that the authors in question have never tried to create a real simulation on an actual computer | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | all sorts of fun could be had here. what if i get a simulation of me to impregnate the actual girl, and then i impregnate the simulation of her. | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | my first pgp-gram actually. | [00:46] |
asciilifeform | he wrote back, seemed like a c00l d00d | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform self-teaching IS quite like fire. | [00:47] |
mircea_popescu | i've known many of these, they look like radiation. sooner or later start moving toward wall. | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | at the time he actually was trying to scarf up all there was written re: ai, hoping to build something new | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | the 'flip' happened, iirc, some time in the early 2000s when his brother died of mysterious death | [00:47] |
asciilifeform | mr y had a breakdown of sort | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | was he bullied ? | [00:48] |
asciilifeform | fuck if i know | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | would explain a lot of bad fiction i read in sumary. | [00:48] |
asciilifeform | he was drummed out of school as a youth | [00:48] |
asciilifeform | for what, i do not know | [00:48] |
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mircea_popescu | can't figure out how to thank that physics dude that read what seems like > 500 pages of shit. | [00:48] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i meant the bro. | [00:48] |
asciilifeform | http://richardkulisz.blogspot.com/search/label/yudkowsky << another mr y h8t3r | [00:49] |
assbot | Richard Kulisz: yudkowsky ... ( http://bit.ly/198rEmI ) | [00:49] |
asciilifeform | ^ also old net crackpot | [00:49] |
bitstein | asciilifeform: ah, okay. i'll peruse that. | [00:49] |
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* | asciilifeform does not endorse mr k wholesale | [00:49] |
asciilifeform | but stimulating reading | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | decimation i have the same impression. | [00:50] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00030268 = 1.6042 BTC [+] | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | fucking blogspot. | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | "What is rationality? It's the ability to make life plans which reach your goals." | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | uh. i don't think so. | [00:51] |
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mircea_popescu | rationality is a purely linguistic property, it has exactly nothing to do with action. | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | rationality is, basically, the ability to distinguish homomorphisms from homologies. | [00:52] |
mircea_popescu | (same structure vs same components) | [00:52] |
asciilifeform | i meant the bro << ah i've no idea. found dead in a dark alley, iirc, but nothing publicly out afaik beyond that | [00:52] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00029644 = 1.4081 BTC [-] | [00:53] |
asciilifeform | homomorphisms from homologies << doug hofstadter spent a good chunk of his life bashing head against this | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [00:54] |
mircea_popescu | farg is probably one of the better approaches to the ai problem, at any rate. | [00:54] |
poli_ | Thanks again for the help Mircea, talk to yall later | [00:55] |
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mircea_popescu | cheers] | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform this discussion inspires me to the following ai standard : a computer that can distinguish code from data is rational. | [00:56] |
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brendafdez | ben_vulpes pls check message :P | [01:02] |
mircea_popescu | "It annoys me that idiots continue to use "oh wow, that's so amazing" as the measure of creative genius. Or even worse, that they rely on society's direction to determine who is a creative genius and who isn't. First of all, creative geniuses are RESPECTED and LOOKED UP TO by society. And any position that is looked up to will be coveted by Narcissists who are driven by Glory, such as Richard Feynman who all his life w | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | as driven to be a jerkass asshole and a thief." | [01:03] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | somebody's got some issues o.O | [01:03] |
asciilifeform | mr k is a full-bore crackpot, sorta like yours truly but with heavier radiation damage | [01:05] |
asciilifeform | iirc he lives somewhere in canada on a meagre pension | [01:05] |
decimation | re: simulation > consider 266 bits. the number of possibilities for those bits is equal to the number of electrons in the universe | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | The Real Deal | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | How do I know I'm the real deal instead of a crazed nutter? Because I tend to elicit the 'damn, that's so obvious now' reaction from people who elicit that same reaction from people like you. | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | decimation i don't think anyone seriously considers that entire "simulation as life" thing outside of fiction. | [01:07] |
decimation | how is that not exactly the same as "oh wow, that's so amazing' | [01:07] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | it's just too dependent on vast ignorance. | [01:07] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: one cannot speak with certainty about the whereabouts of a single electron, even with infinite bezzlars to dispose on the task | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [01:08] |
asciilifeform | decimation: to be fair, even discussing its 'whereabouts' is wrong straight off the bat. | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | it gets worse, there's entire swaths of particles that are mirrored, you'll never know if you've got various pairs right or backwards. | [01:08] |
asciilifeform | like dividing by 0. | [01:08] |
decimation | asciilifeform: aye | [01:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31335 @ 0.0002959 = 9.272 BTC [-] {2} | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | right, something like that. | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | "Labels: creativity, Psychology, yudkowsky". lol. why ?! | [01:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14715 @ 0.00029203 = 4.2972 BTC [-] | [01:09] |
mircea_popescu | "It's wise to keep track of what your mortal enemies do, and there's little that more exemplifies Pure Evil in this world than Eliezer Yudkowsky." | [01:10] |
asciilifeform | because he ran into him and barfed for a year straight | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | such an internet this internet is. | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | how is some geeky kid pure evil ?! | [01:11] |
asciilifeform | in mr k's view, the hypothetical ai is alive and building it 'friendly' (to use mr y's term) is an act of diabolical cruelty | [01:12] |
asciilifeform | like growing a kid in a glass jar | [01:12] |
asciilifeform | or in usa | [01:12] |
mircea_popescu | http://hplusmagazine.com/ <><< ahahahaha o may gawd. | [01:12] |
mircea_popescu | "Interview: JeRm La Haine — On Transhuman Unit and his new project IAIO" << http://i0.wp.com/hplusmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-12-at-10.58.28-AM.png?fit=300%2C300 | [01:13] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/198w6Sz ) | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | "Crowdfunding: Support Titanovo’s Novel Telomere Testing Technology" complete with their own scams an' errything. | [01:13] |
asciilifeform | the fella in that picture is such a jaronlanier | [01:13] |
asciilifeform | srsly, why must these folks all look alike ?! | [01:14] |
* | asciilifeform 's first paying job, while student, pertained to telomerase | [01:14] |
asciilifeform | http://www.jimmunol.org/content/166/11/6647.full << mentioned in the 'monkeys' section | [01:15] |
assbot | Induction of Telomerase Activity During Development of Human Mast Cells from Peripheral Blood CD34+ Cells: Comparisons with | [01:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75350 @ 0.00028944 = 21.8093 BTC [-] {3} | [01:15] |
mircea_popescu | "We thank Stanislav Datskovskiy for his assistance with the measurement of telomerase activity in some of these experiments and Martha Kirby for her expert assistance in the analysis of apoptosis." check you out. | [01:16] |
asciilifeform | no prizes for guessing how much use came of this. | [01:16] |
mircea_popescu | "Jerm La Haine: I’ve been doing music production and graphic design for just under twenty years now." | [01:17] |
decimation | asciilifeform: re: look alike < note that they are all 'alterntive' in the same way. none of them choose to dress like 15th century nobility, for example | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | " Currently I’ve been getting lots of positive attention for my new record label Collective Conscious Records." | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | it's scary what kids today use to describe themselves. | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | decimation shut up, it's LA!!! Haine. | [01:18] |
asciilifeform | decimation: aha. nor will they put on a cravat | [01:18] |
asciilifeform | you won't catch them dressing up as mircea_popescu | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | (la haine = to clothes, in ro.) | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | "I started the record label because I wasn’t happy with any of the offers i got from other record labels. It’s a way I can release my own stuff on my own terms. After the first couple releases people started getting interested in the label. I’ve even started working out deals with some artists. I recently released a few tracks with Lonnie Dangerous and Collective Conscious Records is getting ready to release an a | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | lbum by Young Boy Hybrid. Currently Collective Conscious Records has eighteen releases available and we have several more on the way this year." | [01:19] |
asciilifeform | although to mr mold's credit - the man once proposed that moldbuggerites dress in tweed 'to rebel' | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | the very strange thing here is that he somehow thinks the "releases" are the problem record labels solve. | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | not the market. you're a record label for having 100 singer-songrwiters, that'll make whatever shit, not for having 100mn customers who'll buy whatever you put out. | [01:20] |
mircea_popescu | such strange. | [01:20] |
BingoBoingo | ;;later tell pilo_ I read the whole Yudo Harierzer thing | [01:22] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [01:22] |
decimation | the music label's real 'problem solving' would be knowing how to push the right bellybuttons to force a song to be played in a large chunk of the existing radio stations/youtubes/ipods | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | aye. | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | more of a 90s thing, record label as master of payola. | [01:23] |
BingoBoingo | [01:24] | |
decimation | yes, the business model is failing. it still exists, but it is a victim of its own success in the sense that it has trained the masses to ignore radio | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | "“Transhuman Strategies” conference March 21 in Silicon Valley—- Tickets Limited! Posted: February 26, 2015 | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | What are the Transhuman Goals in the near future? 0 comments" | [01:24] |
mircea_popescu | this can't be a thiel thing can it ? | [01:24] |
BingoBoingo | Almost has to be | [01:25] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: thiel plus wannebee panhandlers on his door | [01:25] |
mircea_popescu | ah. | [01:25] |
mircea_popescu | anyone going ? :D | [01:25] |
decimation | does anyone here live in the bay area? | [01:25] |
BingoBoingo | No I | [01:25] |
asciilifeform | btw mr y was running sc4mf3r3nc3z before bitcoin | [01:25] |
asciilifeform | for $maxint | [01:25] |
mircea_popescu | "Venue: Prospect SIlicon Valley Categories: Brighter Brains, Transhumanism Tags: communications, strategic planning, strategy, SWOT" | [01:25] |
mircea_popescu | SWOT! | [01:26] |
mircea_popescu | maybe they slip up and built the transhuman bureaucracy, complete with transflipcharts. | [01:26] |
asciilifeform | special weapons onanism team ? | [01:26] |
asciilifeform | (swot) | [01:26] |
mircea_popescu | "What are the Transhuman Goals in the near future? How can these Transhuman ideas permeate the mainstream? Are there ways Transhumanism can assert itself in the political sphere? How can Transhumanist ideas and innovations create a better world now, for billions of people on Earth?" | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | ahaha this is such a delicious target. | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | say timmy... anything you could do with these two burnt matcsticks TO CREATE A BETTER ALPHA CENTAURY FOR MILLIONS OF STARS IN THE GALAXI ?!?!? | [01:27] |
mircea_popescu | "The conference begins with a “Meet & Greet” session from 12:15 – 1:00 pm, followed by speakers from 1:00 – 5:00. After the conference, participants will be encouraged to continue the discussion at a nearby bar (location announced at the event). The cost to attend the mini-conferences is only $20; only $15 for students, seniors, and people who travel more than 50 miles to get there. Tickets on sale at EventBrit | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | e HERE." << asciilifeform i doubt about that maxint. | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | that's an imitator | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | speaking of the 'genuine article' | [01:29] |
decimation | only $20? what kind of scammer only asks for one yuppie foodstamp? | [01:29] |
asciilifeform | ;;google singularity university | [01:29] |
gribble | Singularity University | Solving Humanity's Grand Challenges: |
[01:29] |
decimation | asciilifeform: did you read about the new fucktarded appleism - the USB type C port? | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | that's accredited ? | [01:30] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: it isn't actually university-shaped | [01:30] |
asciilifeform | more like reptilia's 'conference' thing | [01:30] |
mircea_popescu | lolk | [01:30] |
asciilifeform | decimation: aha, their dock connector | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | The Speaker List includes: Zoltan Istvan – 2016 US Presidential candidate of Transhumanist Party | [01:31] |
decimation | yeah | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | fuck, i had no idea there's a transhumanist party. | [01:31] |
decimation | apparently does 10 gpbs AND allows 100 watts of charge! | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | decimation you knew ?! | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | a nm. | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | (apple released a machine which is entirely unusable without the dock gizmo) | [01:31] |
decimation | later google et.al. jumped on the bandwagon | [01:31] |
decimation | because it makes so much sense to have the same plug for your power port and your video signal | [01:31] |
asciilifeform | and a retreat from the magnetic plug | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | which (stolen from korean coffee pots) was the one good idea apple forced through the thick skulls of other vendors | [01:32] |
mircea_popescu | i think the plan is to merge coaxial and power lines. | [01:32] |
mircea_popescu | i gues tptb don't see fiber in the future of america. | [01:32] |
decimation | magplug was a good idea for power | [01:32] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: power-over-lan is sop among large indoor installations of whatever | [01:33] |
asciilifeform | i have it even here | [01:33] |
decimation | What I fear is new malwarez installed on your monitor! | [01:33] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: on the other hand, data over mains cable is sop in eu | [01:34] |
decimation | or your power supply. or whatever, because who the fuck knows what is going on in your uninspectible 10gbs bus | [01:34] |
asciilifeform | works great to the nearest transformer booth (where you need an active amp) | [01:34] |
decimation | data over mains cable is a terrible idea | [01:34] |
asciilifeform | but even cheaper than 'brown fiber' (see earlier sewer article) | [01:34] |
decimation | spams HF spectrum with nasty shit | [01:34] |
asciilifeform | and hence doomed to happen | [01:34] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [01:34] |
decimation | why is it so hard to run a fiber to a neighborhood data center | [01:35] |
asciilifeform | decimation: digging rights | [01:35] |
mircea_popescu | Speakers list : Maria Konovalenko & Mikhail Batin – Immortality Activists << http://maria-konovalenko.typepad.com/.a/6a01348002e89e970c01348542262a970c-pi | [01:35] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1DDWiSw ) | [01:35] |
mircea_popescu | "Hank Pellissier is the director of Brighter Brains Institute, and the producer of eight transhumanist conferences in 2013-2015." | [01:36] |
mircea_popescu | i guess to the random eye this is === bitcoin | [01:37] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93250 @ 0.00030323 = 28.2762 BTC [+] {2} | [01:37] |
asciilifeform | thiel (and possibly friends) seed it. the chumpatronium sustains. | [01:37] |
decimation | asciilifeform: it's more than just digging rights. surely the majority of surban homeowners would be more than happy to make their own comcast if they could | [01:37] |
asciilifeform | decimation: digging rights in throughfares. | [01:37] |
asciilifeform | or what, proposing to connect the suburbanites to each other? | [01:37] |
asciilifeform | works in ro where there were sentient lifeforms about, circa 1994 or when | [01:38] |
asciilifeform | but usa? forget it | [01:38] |
decimation | asciilifeform: yeah exactly that. for a few thousand bucks each, it would be trival to make a small neighborhood isp of great quality | [01:38] |
decimation | but the probability that a given set of 100 homes in the the us would be occupied by owners so enlightened.. | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | and of never having to traverse city land | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | this is actually a problem in ukraine | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | in odessa even | [01:39] |
mircea_popescu | decimation this is exactly how ro internet worked, and the reason ro internet is today in the top 5 worldwide, with 4 azns : that pressure ten years ago | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | where there is an eternal war between the electric and cable (internet) utils | [01:39] |
mircea_popescu | and it cost 10s not 1000s of dollars | [01:39] |
asciilifeform | like an actual war, with cut cables weekly | [01:39] |
mircea_popescu | but i think alf has it : population of psychopaths. | [01:40] |
mircea_popescu | it matters. | [01:40] |
decimation | in the us, it is common for nearly all homes built after 1970 to be built upon land which is part of an 'hoa' | [01:41] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform amusingly, some state authority or other decided to cut cables. the city hall nearly caught fire as a result, and the plan was discontinuied. | [01:41] |
decimation | when you buy a home on such land, you automatically agree to whatever fucktarded idea was popular in 1982 | [01:41] |
mircea_popescu | decimation no idea who'd build on land he didn't own, but hey. | [01:42] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: by that token scarcely anyone on u.s. coasts owns land | [01:42] |
asciilifeform | it is virtually wholly encumbered | [01:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://maria-konovalenko.typepad.com/blog/2010/06/the-blocking-point.html << check out this transhumanist project. "let's pretend like we're valuable and have skills and people should be queing on our door to give us moneys" | [01:43] |
assbot | The Blocking Point - Maria Konovalenko ... ( http://bit.ly/198DnSh ) | [01:43] |
decimation | asciilifeform: even in middle america it's the same, on any newer home | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | quite entertaining. | [01:43] |
asciilifeform | (not even speaking of taxation) | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform hey, i don't own there. | [01:43] |
decimation | you would quite literally need to buy a plot of farmland in the middle of nowhere | [01:43] |
decimation | or some ghetto shack | [01:43] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform that vinge dood thinks progress in biology does not depend on computers ? | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | nuts. | [01:45] |
asciilifeform | check the date. | [01:45] |
mircea_popescu | 93 ? what of it ? | [01:46] |
asciilifeform | the massive sequence alignment thing wasn't a going concern quite yet. | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | i thought he knew the future. | [01:47] |
asciilifeform | the only american sf author who 'knew the future' was robert sheckley. | [01:47] |
asciilifeform | or possibly philip dick. | [01:47] |
asciilifeform | (saw as darker, more demented version of their own time, naturally) | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [01:47] |
mircea_popescu | accidentallyright.jpg | [01:48] |
nubbins` | got the paranoia right anyway | [01:48] |
* | BingoBoingo offers now that if any motherfucker named Dallas Cook is trying to dope me with malware I would advise stopping that felony. | [01:48] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, you know those stories about how rich guy heard the paupers / shoeshine boys discuss stocks and bailed ? | [01:48] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: wai wat | [01:48] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: yes! but can't recall where | [01:48] |
asciilifeform | ancient legend | [01:49] |
mircea_popescu | "Progress in computer hardware has followed an amazingly steady curve in the last few decades [17]." << by now moore';s law is currency in trading for everyine, from usgavin to vince whoever. | [01:49] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [01:49] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I have no definiteive evidence, but I have obsrved trends | [01:49] |
mircea_popescu | i am firmly persuaded that the wall's coming. | [01:49] |
mircea_popescu | current computers are best computers, and fu humanity. | [01:49] |
asciilifeform | clocked circuits are retarded | [01:49] |
asciilifeform | (literally) | [01:49] |
asciilifeform | and if you're building computers in the tens or hundreds rather than quajizillions quantities there is no reason not to use germanium, gallium arsenide, doped diamond, etc. chemistries | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | besides the point. here's mp's prediction : the computer that can be had for a one ounce of gold in 2025 will be inferior to the computer that can be had for an ounce of gold today, on computation measures. | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | because industrial infrastructure has been kept in new state by constant improvement. | [01:51] |
decimation | mircea_popescu: you are betting against lithography? | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | once improvements go away, infrastructure starts to decay. | [01:51] |
BingoBoingo | decimation: Lithograpy has limits | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | decimation litho is already dead, intel's cancelling narrower process etc. | [01:51] |
asciilifeform | ^ if industrial collapse carries on, it will be difficult to imagine a computer of any description being constructed in 2025 other than out of 'junkyard wars' pieces | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform unrelated, that. obv it'd be of chinese make in any case. | [01:51] |
decimation | I thought they were already on the path for 10 nm | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | look into it. | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | they were onthe path to, decided not to follow it. | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | 10nm is maybe not really happening. | [01:52] |
asciilifeform | might expensive toy just to keep microshit alive another 2 yrs | [01:52] |
asciilifeform | *mighty | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | and yes alf's right, the end of moore is also the end of ms, apple etc. | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | once people start having to optimize, the doocracies are dead. | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | kinda why poettering's in such a hurry, i guess. | [01:53] |
BingoBoingo | Shame Sun's already dead | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | as if old code somehow gets forgotten or something, dunno. | [01:53] |
asciilifeform | usg pours $maxint into optical logic, but nothing is publicly known re: what, if anything, ever came of it | [01:53] |
asciilifeform | not for desktops of idiot tetris-playing dilberts, no | [01:54] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform right. only failure can be kept from the public knowledge. | [01:54] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: The price of old RISC beasts already marches upwards | [01:54] |
asciilifeform | any crowned head who has half a brain is sponsoring optical hasher. | [01:54] |
decimation | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/02/intel-forges-ahead-to-10nm-will-move-away-from-silicon-at-7nm/ < seems like they are still on path for 10 nm | [01:55] |
assbot | Intel forges ahead to 10nm, will move away from silicon at 7nm | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDc94b ) | [01:55] |
decimation | sounds like they are considering ascii's iii-v chemistry for 7nm | [01:56] |
asciilifeform | intel surrendered to chumpification of the most abject kind, sells severely underclocked dies which temporarily 'turbo' up | [01:56] |
asciilifeform | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/03/bronx-man-confesses-to-laser-pointer-incident-after-cops-arrest-his-housemate << mega-lol yet again | [01:57] |
assbot | Bronx man confesses to laser pointer incident after cops arrest his housemate | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1CDcIL2 ) | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | decimation from what i recall reading on teh topic, the 14nm process was a total debacle and 10nm is a theory only thing. | [01:59] |
* | BingoBoingo is overflowing with Wintel hate atm | [01:59] |
BingoBoingo | [01:59] | |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo: the basic mechanics here: wintel racket was powered, like many other similar idiocies, by the american 'fat' | [02:00] |
asciilifeform | which is to say, it is not enough to con chumps, they must also have fat to be rendered for | [02:00] |
asciilifeform | then they can go off to the shops and buy 'windows 95' because the cardboard waving hand says to (actual thing, saw alive, in '95) | [02:00] |
asciilifeform | but the blow their fat disposable income on resulting new computer | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | decimation look at it this way : 14nm was demonstrated in memories cca 2005, intel shipped it in 2015. | [02:00] |
asciilifeform | without which the idiot crud won't boot | [02:01] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: And then you find old folks on the family tree to which you owe defference | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | 10nm was demonstrated... cca 2009 ? | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | it's not happening. | [02:01] |
asciilifeform | without fat - nothing to power the engine | [02:01] |
decimation | well, it certainly seems that we are at the edge of what silicon can yield | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | economically. | [02:01] |
asciilifeform | the folks who are supposed to be buying new computer on microshit's say-so are short a benjie or two for rent this month | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | there's that big bitch in there. ~economically~. the cost for 10nm is alreadyu not covered by the density benefits | [02:02] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: outside of a handful of 'naggums' - it was -never- justified | [02:02] |
asciilifeform | virtually all computer users got vastly more actual 'bang for buck' in 1992 than today | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | hm ? | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | heh. think about bitcoin on pc xt | [02:03] |
asciilifeform | not so far-fetched to picture it on pent1 | [02:03] |
decimation | asciilifeform: yes, but not in terms of raw flops, when massaged properly | [02:03] |
asciilifeform | we have essentially that on pogo | [02:03] |
decimation | there's little doubt that man's ability to create tiny features on silicon has far outpaced his ability to do something useful with them | [02:04] |
asciilifeform | while being one of the really not so many people who found it properly useful, i will still say that ultimately it was a side effect of a mega-scam | [02:05] |
decimation | asciilifeform: what's 'it'? the pursuit of small features? | [02:05] |
brendafdez | it was a side effect of a mega-scam << ? | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | point being, the trillions needed for 10nm and beyond aren't forthcoming and that's the end of this run. | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | which was a great run, a point that'll be made obvious by the anger of all the hanger-ons once itstops | [02:06] |
decimation | whether 10nm is the stopping point or not, I agree that this is the ultimate end. exponentially increasing fab costs cannot abide forever | [02:07] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [02:07] |
asciilifeform | decimation: what's 'it' << the difference in cpu available to luser today vs. '92 | [02:08] |
decimation | asciilifeform: yeah I think there's some truth to that - ultimately the vast majority of computer-purchasing money is 'dumb money' | [02:09] |
asciilifeform | not merely this, but driven to be spent entirely by microshit's idiot 'operating system pr0gr3ss' | [02:09] |
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mircea_popescu | with all this digitality of modernity, it turns out the postwar mobsters were eerily before their time. | [08:23] |
mircea_popescu | "give us the money or we're taking your digits!" | [08:23] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059532 << it is ? | [08:29] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 05:13:40; asciilifeform: the helicopter is the symbol of statal power against the peon schmuck | [08:29] |
mircea_popescu | maybe in vietnam. | [08:29] |
davout | i'd tend to agree with asciilifeform, what are all these US police helicopter-chase shows for if not for clearly asserting that "there's nowhere to run" ? | [08:30] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059539 << same's said of sailing. meanwhile most people sailing or flying independently are actually poor, mostly on account of rich people not wanting to take that sort of risk. | [08:30] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 05:15:29; asciilifeform: but soon it was clear even to imbeciles that flying was an aristocrat's (or totalitarian thug enforcer's...) game. | [08:30] |
mircea_popescu | davout but then again, they don't have to be FOR something. they may well just be BECAUSE of something, that something being "we got a helicopter" | [08:31] |
davout | flying *is* pretty awesome :D | [08:31] |
mircea_popescu | that in turn being because helicopters exist in the first place. | [08:31] |
mircea_popescu | im sure driving a car is pretty awesome to fish, and for the same reason : "mamma mia if i crash this tank im fucked" | [08:31] |
davout | does anyone know that pilot joke? "how do you know someone's a pilot?" | [08:31] |
mircea_popescu | how ? | [08:32] |
davout | he'll tell you | [08:32] |
mircea_popescu | lol. | [08:32] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, last fucking job you want in a conflict zone is flying the helicopters. | [08:32] |
mircea_popescu | only job to score consistently under tradecraft for security. | [08:33] |
cazalla | too many people were all "lulz, i lazered the pilot" here in australia so anything over 1mw.. banned | [08:34] |
mircea_popescu | ... 1 mw ?! | [08:34] |
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mircea_popescu | oh oh mW not MW | [08:35] |
cazalla | ya sorry, milliwatt | [08:35] |
mircea_popescu | i was like omfg australia, large spiders, larger lasers. | [08:35] |
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cazalla | people were lulz lazering athletes at games too | [08:36] |
davout | lelz, lasering pilots is so fucking retarded | [08:36] |
cazalla | davout, yeah.. they coined it "lazer attacks" | [08:36] |
cazalla | example http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/citys-worst-laser-attacks-on-aircraft/2008/03/29/1206207485440.html | [08:36] |
assbot | City's worst laser attacks on aircraft - Travel - smh.com.au ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjGJnj ) | [08:36] |
davout | it's like everyone in the sky gets pissed at you, while the laserer conveniently gives a massive arrow pointing to his sorry ass | [08:37] |
mircea_popescu | does calling it "attacks" make it moar important ? | [08:37] |
davout | it *is* pretty dangerous | [08:37] |
cazalla | everyone had these fucking things circa 2008, all from dx.com | [08:38] |
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mircea_popescu | "These gutless and cowardly attacks have to be stopped," he said. "I am preparing a proposal to cabinet to consider making these items a prohibited weapon." | [08:38] |
mircea_popescu | davout it is ? | [08:38] |
davout | just like retards flying drones in restricted airspace are dangerous as well | [08:38] |
mircea_popescu | the drones i can actually see. | [08:38] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu, the pollie that said that got busted for gay sex like a year later, clearly didn't want to play ball anymore (or did) | [08:38] |
mircea_popescu | they're sort-of like turkeys, which have caused problems in the past, so planes have been shielded against them, so it no longer matters. | [08:39] |
mircea_popescu | so they don't actually do anything, so nevermind. | [08:39] |
davout | mircea_popescu: i hang around a bit on /r/flying, also watched a few vids of ATPs being lasered and yes, it does look pretty dangerous | [08:39] |
mircea_popescu | not the original statement hm ? | [08:39] |
chetty | humans, more and more clever ways to commit mayhem on each other. | [08:39] |
davout | and it's not like you'll get lasered at high altitudes with the PA on and your cock in some flight attendant's mouth, you'll get lasered when approaching | [08:40] |
mircea_popescu | davout and your windows won't protect you, because... antiglare's not been invented. | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | what do they do in the sun ? | [08:41] |
davout | it will illuminate the cockpit, blind you, will take your mind off of your checklist | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | drop down those flaps like they have in the car ? | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | it won't fucking blind you. | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | it will iluminate the cockpit less than what fucking police lights do. | [08:41] |
davout | my cessna has these flaps you speak of :D | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | what next, this is a legitimate car crash reason ? "police lights illuminated my cockpit your honor. let the police dept pay." | [08:42] |
cazalla | damn, that is not a half bad idea | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | yw. | [08:42] |
fluffypony | lol | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | "omaigawd stuffwas illuminated, i totally lost my trtain of thought. o look, unicorns!!1" | [08:42] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, all this beating around the bush. here's to making the penis a dangerous weapon. | [08:43] |
cazalla | the trajectory of the sun combined with the police lights and lazer mounted drone caused me to run down mr gavin by accident | [08:43] |
davout | you don't want to miss shit on your checklist | [08:44] |
mircea_popescu | no, you don't. so don't miss shit on your fucking checklist. | [08:44] |
* | cazalla points green lazer at davout.. lol lazered | [08:44] |
mircea_popescu | now, mind you, i'm the first to agree the lasers are fucking annyoing and the idiots wielding them need better hobbies. | [08:45] |
mircea_popescu | but those facts don't make derpy lasers "weapons" and etc etc. | [08:45] |
davout | "Pilots unanimously say that the effect of a laser-pen's beam in the cockpit is very similar to the effect of a car's high-beam headlights at a short distance -- it blinds you. The decision-making time before a landing is only 10 critical seconds, pilots say -- and these moments are not to fight green laser beams, but to make critically important decisions. " | [08:45] |
davout | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI7Qq1mYQlI | [08:45] |
assbot | 'Laser attack' caught on tape: View from plane cockpit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjH1dT ) | [08:45] |
davout | not saying that this is a good reason to forbid lasers, i'm saying they can be pretty dangerous | [08:47] |
mircea_popescu | davout but that's not the cockpit, that's the cam. | [08:47] |
cazalla | the australian law, at least as i see it, was more them saying, ok you've had your fun but no more of this please | [08:47] |
mircea_popescu | and if maximally zoomed (looks about 16x) it very briefly shines. | [08:47] |
davout | if that's the effect on the cam, it's not a complete stretch to say that you can believe pilots when they say it's blinding | [08:47] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much exactly consistent with what i[ve been saying last time we did this laser thing | [08:48] |
davout | and you have a larger view later on the video | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | well if you've ever used cams, it actually is, yes. | [08:48] |
Adlai | you could achieve a similar effect against drivers with a cheap camera + servos aiming it... let's ban all electronics! | [08:48] |
davout | it's unclear to me why pilots would make that up | [08:48] |
Adlai | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034826 << problem, blockchain on disk depends on the order in which it saw those 'orphans' | [08:48] |
assbot | Logged on 26-02-2015 21:23:55; asciilifeform: if ends up with bitwise identical blockchain on disk (minus time data) then quite likely correct. | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | davout pilots did not make anything up. they say it's fucking annoying. im sure it is. | [08:48] |
davout | instead of putting their shades on and shrugging it off | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | then bureaucrat drones are going on about weapons and whatnot, with nary a clue about anything but what could be persuasively argued to a mostly clueless public. | [08:49] |
mircea_popescu | this is fine as far as the system goes, it's own "democratic" logic, et all. | [08:49] |
mircea_popescu | but it's still ridoinculous. | [08:49] |
mircea_popescu | davout you ever been with a group of professionals ? | [08:49] |
davout | professionals in what field? aeronautics? | [08:49] |
mircea_popescu | when met with any novel thing, the bulk will shrug and carry on, the 19% marginals will yak about it, | [08:49] |
mircea_popescu | because it distracts from a discussion about how they suck, and people should fire them | [08:50] |
mircea_popescu | in any fucking field. | [08:50] |
cazalla | ima firen mah lazer | [08:51] |
mircea_popescu | Adlai i suppose he meant bitwise identical star, to be translated as, same txn | [08:51] |
Adlai | hm? | [08:51] |
mircea_popescu | "if ends up with bitwise identical* blockchain" | [08:51] |
davout | i think you underestimate the danger of having a laser pointed at you when you're doing an approach | [08:52] |
Adlai | what [i think] you want is identical answers to whether a transaction is valid | [08:52] |
mircea_popescu | davout that may be true. | [08:52] |
mircea_popescu | Adlai you want the same exact set of transactions to have been accepted. | [08:52] |
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mircea_popescu | davout but it turns out, stuff like aegis cruisers don't have lasers installed to blind enemy pilots, dropped chaff isn't tiny shining laser pointers etc. | [08:54] |
mircea_popescu | as far as weaponry goes, let's look at you know, weaponry. | [08:54] |
davout | that's kind of like saying "if banana peels are dangerous, why don't the US marines carry them around" :D | [08:55] |
Adlai | why aren't the terrorists yelling fire in crowded theatresL | [08:55] |
mircea_popescu | the discussion wasn't if this is annoying or not, but whether the drone droning about weapons had a point. at least in my head. | [08:55] |
mircea_popescu | wouldja say banana peels are weapons or something ? | [08:56] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, suppose some asshole runs around throwing banana peels right before people. and he gets busted for "assault with a dangerous weapon". | [08:56] |
davout | they can be deadly if strategically placed | [08:56] |
mircea_popescu | you gonna make that charge stick ? | [08:56] |
davout | naaah | [08:56] |
mircea_popescu | good cause there's all sorts of instructional videos on how to defend yourself. | [08:57] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w | [08:57] |
assbot | Monty Python - Self-Defense Against Fruit - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjHo8d ) | [08:57] |
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davout | look, i'm not arguing that because they are annoying and potentially dangerous to aircrafts that gives a justification to anyone to forbid them, simply stating that retards will be retards, and annoy pilots in a sensitive flight phase | [08:57] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i suppose the difference between "this is slightly annoying' and "this is terrorism" has long been lost. | [08:58] |
Adlai | so maybe, lobbyists looking for lobbies to lob should try to get all aircraft windows tinted | [08:58] |
davout | mircea_popescu: sure | [08:58] |
davout | few days ago in france: "terrorism is bad, let's lower the limit for cash payments from 3000 to 1000€" | [08:59] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [08:59] |
mircea_popescu | no but seriously, someone could use 3k euros to buy a proper rifle + bullets. | [08:59] |
mircea_popescu | 1k euros not enough for this. | [08:59] |
mircea_popescu | course inflation'd have naturally fixed that over time. | [09:00] |
mircea_popescu | (anyone notice how those "limits" are not yearly indexed, like govt pensions ?) | [09:00] |
davout | "thank you for this kalashnikov, may i have my receipt" | [09:00] |
mircea_popescu | davout are you intimating the bureaucracy's ineffective because it lives in its own world anyway ? | [09:00] |
cazalla | they're trying to push through mandatory sentencing for weapons here down under.. 5 years for trafficking hand guns etc | [09:00] |
mircea_popescu | fucking french terrorists. | [09:01] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla "mandatory sentencing" is the most ridiculous perversion of justice ever. | [09:01] |
mircea_popescu | essentially stalin's administrative powers thing. | [09:01] |
cazalla | someone is breaking into my home.. best i call the police to come in 10m time because law does not permit me to own a shot gun to blast the cunt in seconds | [09:01] |
davout | cazalla: BLAST IT WITH PISS | [09:01] |
cazalla | davout, not even mine is big enough to kill loaded with booze | [09:02] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla why not use lasers ? | [09:02] |
mircea_popescu | now i understand finally the crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle bit. | [09:03] |
mircea_popescu | all those tactical lights ARE REALLY WEAPONS | [09:03] |
davout | mircea_popescu: to be honest, a strategically banana peel might be more effective in this particular case | [09:03] |
davout | *placed | [09:03] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [09:03] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google guy that crossed atlantic in a barrel died in new york, slipping on banana peel | [09:03] |
gribble | Banana split: Worker peels back skin to find two fruits in one | Daily ...: |
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mircea_popescu | ^ real event. | [09:03] |
cazalla | lazer illegal, plastic knife illegal (if used as weapon), baseball bat also illegal if kept in bedroom because no legitimate reason to keep it there, must fetch from car and come back to bedroom to beat off attacker | [09:03] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla doesn't sound like much of a country does it ? | [09:04] |
mircea_popescu | what the fuck "not much reason to keep it there". what fucking reason does uninvited third party have to be in your bedroom ? | [09:04] |
mircea_popescu | let's start with that. | [09:04] |
cazalla | not "not much reason" but no reason, why would a law abiding citizen keep his sporting equipment under the bed? surely it is in garage with the rest of the foosballs etc | [09:05] |
mircea_popescu | because the wife's a stretcher ? | [09:05] |
davout | cazalla: mebbe it's for butseks | [09:05] |
mircea_popescu | seriously, nobody run the endless reels of "woman fucks baseball bat" for the court on that one ? | [09:05] |
mircea_popescu | talk about dropping the ball. | [09:05] |
cazalla | i could've claimed so with the ex gf but not this woman | [09:05] |
mircea_popescu | so she's training for it. | [09:06] |
davout | "she's starting by getting used to the bat's presence your honor" | [09:06] |
cazalla | ex could've taken 2 tbh | [09:06] |
cazalla | she was a champ like that | [09:06] |
mircea_popescu | what, one in butt one in cunt, then walk on them ? | [09:08] |
mircea_popescu | that'd be an act. | [09:08] |
cazalla | nah 2 in cunt, guess 1 in the ass too | [09:08] |
cazalla | damn, she was the best lay but would've made for a shitty mother | [09:08] |
mircea_popescu | this is why one needs pairs. | [09:08] |
cazalla | dependent on bitcoin, goes up enough, i have a place or two for such women | [09:09] |
cazalla | as it is atm, no can do | [09:09] |
mircea_popescu | well what's the rush. | [09:09] |
mircea_popescu | gotta be unable to get it up, first. | [09:10] |
cazalla | well, isnt any atm | [09:10] |
mircea_popescu | then you can make comments to them about their black boyfriends and we can ostracize you and take your stadium away. | [09:10] |
davout | hahaha | [09:10] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla how do you know the shitty mother bit btw ? | [09:10] |
mircea_popescu | afaik reformed whores make the best mothers. | [09:10] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu, because she fucked around with shit like tramadol | [09:11] |
mircea_popescu | ... | [09:11] |
cazalla | she was fucking useless for anything else but sex | [09:11] |
mircea_popescu | wait. how do you fuck around with antipyretics ?! | [09:11] |
cazalla | a kid would be lucky to get 1 meal a day with such a woman | [09:11] |
mircea_popescu | o wait, that's the opioid huh. | [09:11] |
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cazalla | i dunno, never tried it, she use to steal it from work place | [09:12] |
mircea_popescu | well, reformed was in there for a reason. | [09:13] |
cazalla | well i wouldn't know seeing i didn't stick around to find out | [09:13] |
cazalla | i thought the naive virginal conservative wife would make for the best mother | [09:13] |
cazalla | i made my bed, so now i sleep in it | [09:13] |
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mircea_popescu | conservatives don't make very good parents for that reason. kinda why nature put all the poop in the process, make sure it gets a fair shot. | [09:14] |
cazalla | all the 10 inched black boyfriends in the world wouldn't make any difference for some types of women anyway | [09:14] |
mircea_popescu | is 10 inches big or small these days ? | [09:15] |
mircea_popescu | i've not been following the internet conversation. | [09:15] |
cazalla | seems to be the average, but i dunno | [09:15] |
mircea_popescu | average in what, horses ? | [09:16] |
cazalla | i have nfi, too much to drink | [09:17] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059635 << which is the manual ? | [09:18] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 05:46:33; trinque: which... not the behavior in the manual | [09:18] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059683 << eh get out srsly. it doesn't get any more random and unintentional than that. | [09:23] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 06:06:35; BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The worst part is I know this had to have been targetted. Someone had to spend a non-trivial amount of time. I suspect a partcular name and yet... | [09:23] |
cazalla | i tried to convince him of such in PM yet.. he convinced me drinking was a good idea (ok not really, not like i need much encouragement) | [09:25] |
mircea_popescu | in other news, derpy mcsweater-glass and his two nude friends : http://40.media.tumblr.com/c3b9d92eacede7d95def9d6ee99f578b/tumblr_myjsgrcYzT1rjqog4o1_1280.jpg | [09:25] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjIocv ) | [09:25] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla lol you two need to stop drinking and buy coins from the proceeds. | [09:26] |
mircea_popescu | end up richest dudes in b-a. | [09:27] |
cazalla | i've prob pissed away 2-3k the past 12-18 months on booze | [09:28] |
mircea_popescu | ah, nm, that's not so bad | [09:28] |
mircea_popescu | i think i spent about the same. | [09:28] |
cazalla | could be more, could be less, just a guestimate | [09:28] |
cazalla | let's see | [09:29] |
Adlai | 2-3k << ozd? | [09:29] |
mircea_popescu | five bucks a day, that's like what, a drink. | [09:30] |
cazalla | $60x78=4680 so sorta in range | [09:30] |
mircea_popescu | you're supposed to drink that much just to keep the shit from migrating to your head. | [09:30] |
cazalla | acutally i quit for years, sober as a judge | [09:30] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla you ever seen "some came running" ? | [09:31] |
cazalla | of course, i would not be rotting away where i will be monday if i remained sober lol | [09:31] |
cazalla | nope | [09:32] |
mircea_popescu | dean martin is this total drunk, and at some point he says to sinatra | [09:32] |
mircea_popescu | "you know ever since you quit drinking you've been insufferable ?!" | [09:32] |
cazalla | i prolly was, only took it up again a month or so before missus had baby | [09:33] |
cazalla | in fact, i would harp on to my brother, who i lived with at the time, that he needed to quit drinking | [09:33] |
mircea_popescu | did he ? | [09:34] |
cazalla | not sure tbh, we didn't speak for a few years, only recently began talking again | [09:34] |
cazalla | i assume he drinks though given he's back at the parents and god knows they drink | [09:34] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059745 << ru chicks will take over the world. | [09:35] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 06:30:59; brendafdez: There I fell in love with a Russian girl, it was in 2008, it was awesome that we'd both speak with each other in a language that was foreign for both, felt special, like being in bitcoin these days (? | [09:35] |
cazalla | geei hope not, can't say ruski women do it for me | [09:36] |
cazalla | even the bond goldeneye girls were meh | [09:36] |
mircea_popescu | ever had one ? | [09:36] |
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cazalla | well no, but | [09:37] |
cazalla | i did work with a short haired ruski chick | [09:37] |
mircea_popescu | well don't knock it fore you've... uh. you know. | [09:37] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059746 << you know that's the wrong way to go about the wife business. if you just want a cheap one the cheapest wife you could ever get is no wife at all. | [09:37] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 06:32:38; *: BingoBoingo kinda wants to it the phils before .ar to pick up a cheap wife | [09:37] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu, not many down under, not like i'll ever leave | [09:39] |
cazalla | so unless they come here.. | [09:39] |
mircea_popescu | brendafdez: The fact that people here see the US as the land of freedom really boggles the mind.<< they believe teh movies. | [09:39] |
cazalla | plenty of chinese | [09:39] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla used to know this chick, eventualy gave up teh life married some guy went to melbourne | [09:39] |
mircea_popescu | im sure there's plenty in ozland. | [09:39] |
cazalla | melbourne sucks | [09:40] |
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cazalla | not even sure why pete would waste his time coming to this shit hole | [09:40] |
mircea_popescu | most everyone lives there neh ? | [09:40] |
cazalla | there is nothing redeeming about it at all | [09:40] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu, and sydney, yeah | [09:40] |
cazalla | both are shit | [09:40] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059755 << will = liebe ? | [09:41] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 06:37:57; trinque: ICH WILL DICH | [09:41] |
mircea_popescu | or wtf's that suppost to be | [09:41] |
cazalla | they tear down anything old and replace it with modern architecture, and what they can't pull down completely, they subert the old by merging the new into it | [09:41] |
cazalla | anyway, tasmania is best australia | [09:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76800 @ 0.00030614 = 23.5116 BTC [+] {2} | [09:42] |
mircea_popescu | lmao this log. im bashing this shit | [09:43] |
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nubbins` | http://www.lasersafetyfacts.com/resources/Laser-hazard-distance-chart.pdf | [09:43] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJ0Pa ) | [09:43] |
nubbins` | TIL mp doesn't think lazers in yr eyes are bad ;/ | [09:43] |
mircea_popescu | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSxDHW2MvBw | [09:44] |
assbot | Seinfeld — Puerto Rican Day: The Apartment (HD) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJ5Co ) | [09:44] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu:for that matter, suppose some asshole runs around throwing banana peels right before people. and he gets busted for "assault with a dangerous weapon". <<< now you're just shoehorning | [09:46] |
mircea_popescu | that's a thing ? | [09:46] |
nubbins` | sure is | [09:46] |
mircea_popescu | "Shoehorning is a ploy used by psychics, or religious apologetic or other charlatans, as a way to make it sound like their prophecies or those of earlier prophets had come true. " | [09:47] |
mircea_popescu | o.O | [09:47] |
mircea_popescu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoehorning << notwithstanding the bad grammar, that's one of the more representative wikipedia articles i dare say. | [09:48] |
assbot | Shoehorning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJfK8 ) | [09:48] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` anyway, why ? | [09:48] |
nubbins` | idk about wikitardia definition, but you're just being pedantic 8) | [09:49] |
nubbins` | suppose the asshole leaves a banana peel at the top of the stairs | [09:49] |
nubbins` | "wasn't a weapon, whatcha gonna do" | [09:49] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. | [09:49] |
mircea_popescu | what, you expect the law to intervene ? | [09:49] |
nubbins` | before the fact? c'est impossible | [09:50] |
mircea_popescu | before or after, | [09:50] |
mircea_popescu | or in the commerce of bannanas. | [09:50] |
nubbins` | isn't this much less circuitous than the original discussion 8) | [09:51] |
nubbins` | but i guess you're more of a journey guy than a destination guy, hey | [09:51] |
mircea_popescu | well i dunno lol. i tend to follow. | [09:51] |
nubbins` | unrelated, i *just* clued into the mad hatter's hat from TTLG | [09:52] |
nubbins` | http://www.gutenberg.org/files/114/114-h/images/alice38a.gif | [09:52] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjJmp8 ) | [09:52] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ud ttlg | [09:52] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=through+the+looking+glass | Similar to the twilight zone, where nothing is quite what it seems. In Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass book, it can mean clocks that work... | [09:52] |
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nubbins` | last 33 years: "why does his hat say 10/6?" | [09:53] |
nubbins` | today: "wat, it says 'in this style' above it? o" | [09:53] |
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mircea_popescu | it's 10 shillings and 6pence. | [09:54] |
nubbins` | nod | [09:54] |
nubbins` | i did not have this knowledge last i read it ;/ | [09:54] |
mircea_popescu | so you figurted out british coin notations from "in this style" ? | [09:55] |
nubbins` | stumbled across £sd notation a couple months ago | [09:56] |
nubbins` | and today, stumbled across the mad hatter again | [09:56] |
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nubbins` | !up cazalla | [09:56] |
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nubbins` | mircea_popescu understand that this is akin to discovering jam is made from berries | [09:57] |
cazalla | ty nubbins` fucking power out and i'm too drunk/tired to ferry shit back and forth over usb | [09:57] |
nubbins` | i'm floored here | [09:57] |
nubbins` | anyway bbl COSTCO | [09:57] |
cazalla | is that where you get bulk corn sizzurp? (they got costco's here now) | [09:58] |
cazalla | in fact, they have a costco just a few streets away from here, not that i've been.. pay for membership? fuck that, costco drastically underestimates australian refusal to pay for membershits | [09:59] |
mircea_popescu | the romanian bulk supplier (metro) just wants you to have a company. | [10:00] |
nubbins` | bulk vanilla extract too | [10:00] |
nubbins` | srsly, 1L for the same price as the little tiny bottles the groc store sells | [10:00] |
mircea_popescu | no wait, wrong one. selgros. | [10:01] |
nubbins` | cazalla if you shop at costco ~3-4 times in a year, you're ahead | [10:01] |
cazalla | nubbins`, doubt they sell what i buy | [10:01] |
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nubbins` | you don't buy food? | [10:01] |
cazalla | of course i do | [10:01] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla it's improbable. generally wholesalers carry everything everyone else carries + more + they sell it cheaper + they deliver. | [10:02] |
cazalla | sure, if you don't mind eating shit shipped in from china | [10:02] |
mircea_popescu | mno. | [10:02] |
cazalla | mm tasty bleached ass garlic, make it nice and white like snow white herself | [10:02] |
mircea_popescu | well it's not for produce, yo. | [10:03] |
cazalla | then wtf would u buy from a place like costco? | [10:03] |
mircea_popescu | well costco i never used, but in general cash & carry is where you buy a whole round cheese, that's actually grana padano etc. | [10:04] |
nubbins` | costco actually sells top quality produce | [10:04] |
cazalla | i get my meet/veg/fruit from local who supposedly provides australian grown produce (i am not so naive to believe that some scheming fuckers didn't figure out they could import shit from china and just label it grown in australia but what can you do) | [10:05] |
nubbins` | best meat shop in the city too | [10:05] |
nubbins` | anyway bbl | [10:05] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla ok, meat comes from butcher, produce from grocer. these you don't buy at the warehouse, as there's really no need to warehouse them. but what about everything else ? | [10:05] |
cazalla | for other speciality shit, i use farmhousedirect.com.au | [10:05] |
mircea_popescu | the stuff that's usually called "colonials" ? the stuff that has to be impoirted 5000 miles away ? | [10:06] |
cazalla | like what? give an example | [10:06] |
mircea_popescu | so they carry filippo berio olive oil ? | [10:06] |
cazalla | i use australian grown olive oil and macadamia oil | [10:06] |
mircea_popescu | rio mare salmon paste ? | [10:06] |
cazalla | we got salmon growing down tasmania | [10:07] |
chetty | L&P | [10:07] |
cazalla | farmed, but still | [10:07] |
mircea_popescu | a whole range of french (president ?) and italian cheeses ? | [10:07] |
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cazalla | got the wog deli en masse | [10:07] |
danielpbarron | height=288329 vs height=213141 | [10:07] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla well then you don't need it. | [10:08] |
cazalla | i can't imagine for a second that even if costco had this sorta food down under, that it would actually be cheaper or better quality | [10:08] |
mircea_popescu | this is exactly the sort of doubt fit for an experiment. | [10:09] |
mircea_popescu | i used your deli model in the us, and the cash & carry in ro. it all depends on the place really. | [10:09] |
cazalla | then they can pay me to experiement | [10:09] |
cazalla | the only people i see waddling into the costco here at fat asses | [10:10] |
cazalla | and they sure as fuck are not spending good money on good food | [10:10] |
mircea_popescu | that's not a bad heuristic. | [10:10] |
mircea_popescu | "shop for food where people who look like you want to look shop for food" | [10:10] |
cazalla | i show you last weeks order | [10:11] |
cazalla | and then you fkn tell me if u get this shit at costco | [10:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.0003062 = 14.1158 BTC [+] {2} | [10:11] |
mircea_popescu | cat's got a thread! http://41.media.tumblr.com/7fc849c6bbc1b7bac3f2c13871445b8e/tumblr_mmap4wrUGR1r2x6jpo1_1280.jpg | [10:11] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1bjKk4M ) | [10:11] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla i have nfi what costco carries. | [10:12] |
chetty | ever been to a costco MP? | [10:12] |
mircea_popescu | maybe. | [10:13] |
mircea_popescu | i dun actually recall. | [10:13] |
cazalla | that usually means yes in my experience | [10:13] |
cazalla | my missus tries the same shit.. oh i can't remember | [10:13] |
chetty | hahah well its kaufland X3 | [10:13] |
cazalla | pls suck my dick costco and get the fuck out of my country with your made in china shit http://imgur.com/GgNi88n,twFcl5s,ABxl80G,BAl6CMj,xl80E2E | [10:14] |
assbot | Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/199i7Mj ) | [10:14] |
mircea_popescu | chetty i imagine so. | [10:14] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla omfg what is this, the sin of going into places ? | [10:15] |
mircea_popescu | i don't recall if i ever had macadamia oil or not, either. | [10:15] |
mircea_popescu | i guess i'll have to try this now. | [10:15] |
cazalla | it's good shit | [10:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16941 @ 0.00030091 = 5.0977 BTC [-] | [10:18] |
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cazalla | the nuts are very creamy, and the oil is great for frying anything that is crumbed, like chicken | [10:21] |
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mircea_popescu | i don't do so much frying myself. | [10:23] |
cazalla | fair enough, but i fry the fuck out of everything | [10:25] |
cazalla | well not reary but i am partial to crumbed chicken fried the fuck out | [10:26] |
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Adlai | !up cazalla | [10:27] |
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danielpbarron | !up bhcoins this is you? -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=794678.msg8948683#msg8948683 | [10:37] |
assbot | [CLOSED] bhCoins Serie 3 0.1 BTC denominated physical Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/199jI4K ) | [10:37] |
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chetty | highway robbery I tell ya, spen 83 pesos at the grocery | [10:38] |
danielpbarron | most of my expenses are for food | [10:38] |
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mircea_popescu | "Why are the coins dated 2013 :/ because we designed and minted them last year, but we could assemble them last month.." | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | how do you assemble coins ?! | [10:41] |
danielpbarron | there's a newer model i just found, but w/e | [10:41] |
danielpbarron | "If you want to resell them, either include a hologram so that the buyer can generate a new private key or just don't assemble the coin." << what on earth is the point then? | [10:44] |
cazalla | anyway going to bed, but i request la serenissima bequeath me the state of Tasmania so as to use it to grow the best shit | [10:44] |
mircea_popescu | enjoy c man | [10:45] |
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davout | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060168 <<< president is french. it's shit though. would probably even be legal in uslandia | [11:05] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 13:02:49; mircea_popescu: a whole range of french (president ?) and italian cheeses ? | [11:05] |
mircea_popescu | davout sorta minimum level of camembert i can live with. | [11:07] |
davout | fair enough | [11:07] |
mircea_popescu | but im going to forcefeed you "industria argentina" camembert just to make this point. | [11:07] |
davout | tbh, what's the most important with camembert, is to not eat too early when it's not "made" | [11:08] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 122814 @ 0.00030152 = 37.0309 BTC [+] {2} | [11:08] |
davout | obviously it doesn't go in the fridge either | [11:08] |
mats | danielpbarron: do a public service and tell those people holos can be beaten | [11:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98686 @ 0.00029524 = 29.1361 BTC [-] {2} | [11:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00030622 = 4.9914 BTC [+] | [11:11] |
danielpbarron | it doesn't sound like anyone is using those things for more than a novelty; they aren't even funding the things for fear of depreciating value | [11:12] |
mircea_popescu | meanwhile over at decadence camp, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhxrh6pprt1qbujxso1_1280.jpg | [11:13] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/199mZB0 ) | [11:13] |
mircea_popescu | davout also helps if it's not made out of tyres. | [11:14] |
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pete_dushenski | top o' the mornin' ! | [11:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00029327 = 22.2299 BTC [-] {2} | [11:22] |
pete_dushenski | cazalla: not even sure why pete would waste his time coming to this shit hole << being a tourist =! being a resident | [11:25] |
pete_dushenski | despite the crazy minimum wage and resulting cost of food, australia is perfectly enjoyable place to visit for a few weeks. | [11:26] |
pete_dushenski | beautiful architecture, wildlife galore | [11:27] |
pete_dushenski | by the standards of la serenissima, most everywhere is full of stupidheads derping about with delusions of self-importance | [11:28] |
pete_dushenski | australia isn't markedly worse than canada and in many ways preferable. | [11:29] |
pete_dushenski | cazalla: your opa could've come here just as well and you wouldn't have been necessarily better off | [11:30] |
pete_dushenski | yet by the measures of most of the world, this is still 'the land of milk and honey' | [11:30] |
pete_dushenski | if one ends up here, today, wherever they're from was a successful stepping stone. | [11:31] |
pete_dushenski | and couldn't have been otherwise. | [11:32] |
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pete_dushenski | http://www.contravex.com/2015/03/20/the-straw-that-broke-twitters-back/ | [11:38] |
assbot | The straw that broke Twitter’s back. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/199pdAs ) | [11:38] |
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thestringpuller | oh a pete_dushenski | [11:39] |
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pete_dushenski | heya dude | [11:39] |
pete_dushenski | ^tis right there for ya | [11:40] |
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pete_dushenski | me, saying sayonara to social media | [11:40] |
* | kakobrekla just returned from his fiat bank - what a terrible experience. | [11:40] |
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pete_dushenski | kakobrekla: ikr! | [11:41] |
pete_dushenski | went with a friend who wanted 6 months of statements from her pc | [11:41] |
pete_dushenski | because of course, they weren't available online | [11:41] |
mircea_popescu | !up FrankU | [11:42] |
-assbot- | You voiced FrankU for 30 minutes. | [11:42] |
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pete_dushenski | so at the branch, they charge her $xx and then tell her that the statements can't be printed out then and there and have to go to another city for review, then they'll be shipped to the branch, then she'll have to come back and pick them up | [11:42] |
pete_dushenski | my jaw hit the floor. | [11:43] |
pete_dushenski | this, for some simple bank statements | [11:43] |
kakobrekla | sounds about right. | [11:43] |
mircea_popescu | scam. | [11:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15845 @ 0.00030622 = 4.8521 BTC [+] | [11:44] |
pete_dushenski | seriously, reminded me of the spa lady health club scam | [11:45] |
mircea_popescu | dude, check it out, pete_dushenski was punished by the holy redditard empire for his murdersome streak. | [11:45] |
mircea_popescu | either that or just got bored. | [11:45] |
pete_dushenski | i like the sound of 'murderous streak' | [11:45] |
pete_dushenski | *murdersome | [11:46] |
pete_dushenski | pass some of dat murder | [11:46] |
pete_dushenski | o hey nasdaq 5k. again. | [11:47] |
mircea_popescu | "with stun guns on mounted on their heads" | [11:47] |
pete_dushenski | ef. | [11:49] |
pete_dushenski | fixed. ty! | [11:49] |
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mats | S&P is quite high too... | [11:50] |
mircea_popescu | time to meet teh parents http://40.media.tumblr.com/b3b451526b36c461256b93216a70a44b/tumblr_mhpfg9rNk21rln4dzo1_1280.jpg | [11:50] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/199q6ZP ) | [11:50] |
mats | must be the cheap petrol. | [11:51] |
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danielpbarron | http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150320130957 | [11:55] |
assbot | OpenSSH 6.8 Released ... ( http://bit.ly/1OdTkat ) | [11:55] |
danielpbarron | Add FingerprintHash option to ssh(1) and sshd(8), and equivalent command-line flags to the other tools to control algorithm used for key fingerprints. The default changes from MD5 to SHA256 and format from hex to base64. | [11:55] |
pete_dushenski | also fixed footnote ii in that last one. i'm asleep at the wheel here. | [11:56] |
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danielpbarron | with you off twitter, that puts me in the #2 spot for WoT user with most followers? | [11:58] |
pete_dushenski | behind... ? | [11:58] |
danielpbarron | !gettrust assbot copumpkin | [11:59] |
assbot | Trust relationship from user assbot to user copumpkin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/copumpkin | http://w.b-a.link/user/copumpkin | [11:59] |
pete_dushenski | "A bug bounty hunter, Laxman Muthiyah, discovered a critical flaw in the Facebook Photo Sync feature and Facebook API that could allow any third-party app to access your personal photos from the hidden Facebook Photo Sync album." << lel that sm. | [11:59] |
pete_dushenski | ah https://twitter.com/copumpkin | [12:00] |
assbot | Dan P (@copumpkin) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1AoMZAM ) | [12:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00029928 = 16.0414 BTC [-] | [12:00] |
pete_dushenski | danielpbarron: of the regulars though, you're #1 ! | [12:00] |
danielpbarron | ah wait, ageis also has more :< | [12:00] |
danielpbarron | and jyap | [12:01] |
pete_dushenski | quality, not quantity, is the name of the game. | [12:01] |
pete_dushenski | remove thee from the bezzle-mindedness | [12:01] |
PeterL | what percentage of your followers are people you have never actually met in person? | [12:01] |
danielpbarron | is this some "irc != irl" thing? | [12:02] |
danielpbarron | who cares if i've met them? | [12:02] |
PeterL | have you met everyone on irc? | [12:02] |
PeterL | I was just curious? | [12:02] |
danielpbarron | no | [12:02] |
danielpbarron | i've met kyuupichan | [12:03] |
danielpbarron | that's it | [12:03] |
PeterL | my facebook is 100% people I know irl, my twitter is more like 5% | [12:04] |
danielpbarron | that is, he's the one guy in here that i didn't know outside of b-a and have met him in person | [12:04] |
danielpbarron | i think my twitter followers are higher quality than my facebook friends | [12:05] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46100 @ 0.00028923 = 13.3335 BTC [-] {4} | [12:05] |
danielpbarron | this is real life. right in here. | [12:06] |
danielpbarron | this is more real than most of the stuff people say "in person" | [12:06] |
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mod6 | ya, irc has no substitutes | [12:11] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43550 @ 0.000294 = 12.8037 BTC [+] | [12:12] |
thestringpuller | lol without IRC this would be a BBS (in som alternate reality) | [12:24] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48700 @ 0.00029447 = 14.3407 BTC [+] | [12:24] |
mircea_popescu | danielpbarron> this is more real than most of the stuff people say "in person" << well yeah but that's more a function of how boring most people are. | [12:33] |
thestringpuller | http://imgur.com/VB7m7nq << >:( | [12:39] |
bitstein | So, guys, how's the weather? | [12:39] |
PeterL | springy | [12:39] |
pete_dushenski | bitstein: spring yesterday, snow dump today, cake tomorrow | [12:43] |
bitstein | pete_dushenski: birthday? | [12:44] |
pete_dushenski | nah, soviet joke lol | [12:44] |
chetty | cake is always tomorrow | [12:45] |
PeterL | the cake is a lie | [12:45] |
pete_dushenski | nah, tomorrow is a lie | [12:46] |
bitstein | https://i.imgur.com/4tbzb7a.jpg | [12:46] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1FKNzNU ) | [12:46] |
pete_dushenski | if only tomorrow could be today, then cake ! | [12:46] |
pete_dushenski | bitstein: ayup | [12:46] |
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Naphex | o/ | [13:16] |
Naphex | mircea_popescu: http://www.romania-insider.com/mcoin/144725/ looks like you got cited :D | [13:16] |
assbot | Romanian sells house for 55,000 Mcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExDTSJ ) | [13:16] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39350 @ 0.00030019 = 11.8125 BTC [+] | [13:18] |
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fluffypony | wtf is an Mcoi | [13:20] |
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fluffypony | *Mcoin | [13:20] |
Naphex | some MLM Ponzi scheme that has been hypeing in Romania lately | [13:20] |
Naphex | http://trilema.com/2015/catre-ministerul-afacerilor-interne-in-atentia-d-lor-gheorghe-nicolae-petre-toba-bondar-marin-si-d-nei-laura-codru%C8%9Ba-kovesi-dvs-stiati-ca-angajatii-dvs-se-ocupa-cu-frauda-pe-internet/ | [13:20] |
assbot | Catre Ministerul Afacerilor Interne. In atentia d-lor Gheorghe Nicolae, Petre Toba, Bondar Marin si d-nei Laura Codruța Kövesi : Dvs stiati ca angajatii dvs se ocupa cu frauda pe Internet ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7h1A ) | [13:20] |
trinque | sorry davout, I changed the syntax on you | [13:23] |
trinque | in teh logs | [13:23] |
trinque | !up deedbot- | [13:24] |
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trinque | deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/3QD6MT5.txt | [13:24] |
deedbot- | accepted: 1 | [13:24] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7ody ) | [13:24] |
trinque | donk | [13:24] |
trinque | shall go out at the hour | [13:25] |
mats | http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/30/nyregion/mark-strand-80-dies-pulitzer-winning-poet-laureate.html | [13:38] |
assbot | Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19F7Zfr ) | [13:38] |
trinque | mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1059635 << which is the manual ? << tried geting rid of that colon by making the bot parse all messages for commands, not just highlights, and making deedbot- the command. didn't work, seems it should. I'm going to poke tenyks' author today to find out what's smart | [13:40] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 05:46:33; trinque: which... not the behavior in the manual | [13:40] |
trinque | punkman1: can I get "deedbot" from ya? | [13:42] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00028838 = 12.1985 BTC [-] {2} | [13:55] |
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[]bot | Bet placed: 9.36 BTC for No on "BTC to top $700 before 1st July" http://bitbet.us/bet/1128/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 113.22817126 BTC. Current weight: 87,607. | [13:58] |
trinque | !up deedbot- | [14:01] |
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trinque | deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt | [14:01] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1xE1LS7 ) | [14:01] |
deedbot- | imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF | [14:01] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: ^ | [14:01] |
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trinque | davout: http://deedbot.org/348443-15Fjyuen5G7eic5JJfQJjj133kLtcbcxV1.txt | [14:21] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/19FapKR ) | [14:21] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92065 @ 0.00028819 = 26.5322 BTC [-] | [14:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41698 @ 0.00028819 = 12.0169 BTC [-] | [14:24] |
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mike_c | kakobrekla: that price! http://query.bitcoin-assets.com/?data=trades&since_id=121698 | [14:34] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/19Fb6Ec ) | [14:34] |
mats | https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo07.pdf new PoC||GTFO | [14:34] |
kakobrekla | mike_c "type":"21" | [14:34] |
mike_c | oh. yeah. | [14:35] |
mike_c | odd that never broke my shit before. | [14:35] |
mike_c | anyways, thanks. my fault. | [14:35] |
kakobrekla | it was broken for a long time | [14:35] |
kakobrekla | recently got fixed and now causing trouble down the line | [14:36] |
mike_c | it's odd, because i explictly skip anything not in [0, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15] | [14:38] |
mike_c | or at least, it's supposed to. | [14:38] |
kakobrekla | dunno | [14:38] |
mike_c | dunno what? what the hell is wrong with my code?? | [14:38] |
kakobrekla | mhm | [14:38] |
mike_c | ;;calc 0.0028819 / (0.00000029 * 12) | [14:47] |
gribble | 828.132183908 | [14:47] |
mike_c | ;;calc 0.00028819 / (0.00000029 * 12) | [14:48] |
gribble | 82.8132183908 | [14:48] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 300 @ 0.00364196 = 1.0926 BTC [-] {6} | [14:58] |
mats | ramtin-amin.fr/#tristar looks like Apple Lightning has been broken | [15:01] |
mats | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coflynn/chipwhisperer-lite-a-new-era-of-hardware-security | [15:09] |
assbot | ChipWhisperer-Lite: A New Era of Hardware Security Research by Colin O'Flynn — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEYXVi ) | [15:09] |
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chetty | !up ascii_field | [15:16] |
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ascii_field | http://dpaste.com/2NEWGPY.txt << from mats's link (pure gold) | [15:16] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZgPO ) | [15:17] |
ascii_field | https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo07.pdf << mega-talmud of lulz | [15:17] |
ascii_field | recommended to all | [15:17] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZgQ1 ) | [15:17] |
ascii_field | if you don't have a machine that can show 'pdf', find one just for this occasion. | [15:17] |
ascii_field | mats: very neat. | [15:17] |
ascii_field | http://dpaste.com/0QFRVZR << missed a page earlier | [15:19] |
assbot | dpaste: 0QFRVZR: Cyber Criminal’s Song ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZman ) | [15:19] |
trinque | ehehe hilarious | [15:21] |
chetty | hahahah someone was a zork fan;You happen to see a note on the ground, a splotchy Hilbert curve napkin sketch followed by a handwritten | [15:22] |
chetty | table of hexadecimal numbers with uncertain names scrawled nearby. | [15:22] |
ascii_field | Aha. | [15:22] |
ascii_field | GO NORTH | [15:22] |
mats | lol | [15:23] |
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danielpbarron | the "print instructions" assume you're on a debian variant (most likely for ubuntu users) | [15:24] |
ascii_field | only in that 'apt-get' | [15:24] |
danielpbarron | i guess if you're not on something debian you probably know how to convert that string into something useable | [15:25] |
ascii_field | i normally just read that as a shorthand for 'install on your box...' | [15:25] |
danielpbarron | ubuntu user would be like "wtf is emerge ??" | [15:25] |
fluffypony | pacman -S | [15:26] |
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ascii_field | 'He passed away in 2008, a paragon of sticking to just the prescribed amount of murderous blood-thirstiness at any given time, a true knight of the Party Line -- and, if there is ever a Hell, doubtlessly sticking Hell's engineers with the problem of how to reward such a sterling life achievement of toeing it ever so precisely. There are many shitty jobs in this world and the one beyond, but, believe in Hell or not, that | [15:31] |
ascii_field | one takes the cake.' | [15:31] |
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ascii_field | that thing contains the single best 'lysenko for dummiez' i've ever seen in english | [15:31] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu ^ consider for use on n00bz | [15:32] |
* | ascii_field as an amateur scholar of crackpottery and malignant pseudoscience, owns the complete works of mr lysenko | [15:32] |
ascii_field | https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo << 0-7 | [15:35] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1BEZVRs ) | [15:35] |
trinque | ascii_field: a quick google suggest this guy was off his rocker | [15:37] |
ascii_field | trinque: not any more so than, say, a pope. | [15:38] |
trinque | heh | [15:38] |
trinque | the guy got dissent against lamarckism outlawed? | [15:39] |
ascii_field | aha. | [15:39] |
trinque | that's how you secure your legacy right there | [15:39] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53796 @ 0.0002863 = 15.4018 BTC [-] {2} | [15:54] |
ascii_field | https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo05.pdf << p. 27 mega-l0l, demonstration of RDRAND-as-hypothetical-backdoor on x86 | [15:54] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1BF0I4U ) | [15:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28978 @ 0.00028439 = 8.2411 BTC [-] {2} | [15:55] |
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ascii_field | https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo04.pdf << p. 22: 'Lenticrypt: a Provably Plausibly Deniable Cryptosystem; or, This Picture of Cats is Also a Picture of Dogs' | [16:04] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeKycz ) | [16:04] |
* | ascii_field has not yet read it but, the title alone, l0l | [16:04] |
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felipelalli | My dear gang noise, did you guys see THIS: http://blog.btcjam.com/2015/03/19/btcjam-introduces-risk-based-pricing-interest-rates-set-automatically-by-credit-score/ ? | [16:06] |
assbot | BTCJam Introduces Risk Based Pricing (Interest Rates Set Automatically by Credit Score) | BTCJam Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeLayK ) | [16:06] |
felipelalli | I'm crying here. :'( The simply just killed the BTCJam. | [16:07] |
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felipelalli | &They | [16:07] |
gribble | Error: "They" is not a valid command. | [16:07] |
felipelalli | *They | [16:07] |
felipelalli | Anyone can write about this on qntra.net? They just eliminate one of the best features of BTCJam. | [16:08] |
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danielpbarron | felipelalli> My dear gang noise, did you guys see THIS << ya they sent me an email for some reason | [16:08] |
danielpbarron | to be fair, things like btcjam are already dead; this is more like shooting the zombie in the head so that it stops trying to feast on brains | [16:09] |
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ascii_field | https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf << article on pg. 5 about 'fits in head' - pure gold | [16:13] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeMIZG ) | [16:13] |
ascii_field | ('greybeard's luck') | [16:13] |
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felipelalli | danielpbarron: :'( | [16:15] |
felipelalli | but really | [16:15] |
felipelalli | I'm so sad and so so so so fucking crazy with this. | [16:16] |
felipelalli | R.I.P. BTCJam. It was a nice service!! | [16:16] |
danielpbarron | wait.. you were serious? | [16:16] |
felipelalli | why not? | [16:16] |
danielpbarron | did you lend on it or borrow? | [16:16] |
felipelalli | both | [16:16] |
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felipelalli | why do you think services like BTCJam are already dead? | [16:17] |
felipelalli | They are getting worse, but dead just with this decision. | [16:17] |
danielpbarron | they aren't in the WoT | [16:17] |
felipelalli | At least you can associate OTC in that. | [16:18] |
felipelalli | I know their reputation system is a crap. | [16:18] |
felipelalli | But it is a nice and useful service. | [16:18] |
felipelalli | The ugly true is that we have no options. | [16:18] |
felipelalli | That's why it is good. Because we don't have better options. | [16:18] |
danielpbarron | but you .. do! | [16:19] |
danielpbarron | in here | [16:19] |
felipelalli | But now I have ZERO option. | [16:19] |
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danielpbarron | that's because you had ZERO ideas worth investing in | [16:19] |
ascii_field | https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf << pg. 18: demonstration that intel -could- have diddled RDRAND instruction in such a way as to undetectably manipulate linux rng in spite of xor lemma | [16:19] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeO3iV ) | [16:19] |
trinque | ascii_field: is it possible to use random data from multiple sources that are diddled, but by different manufacturers, and get usable random data? | [16:20] |
ascii_field | trinque: read the linked piece | [16:21] |
trinque | k | [16:21] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: I'm sad. They killed a service that I was using for years. It isn't that good, but... | [16:21] |
ascii_field | trinque: spoiler: recall that the XORing also happens on same cpu | [16:21] |
danielpbarron | and people were using piratat40's "service" for a while too | [16:21] |
ascii_field | and therefore manipulable. | [16:21] |
ascii_field | see also last week's thread re: specificity of diddlage | [16:22] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: but do you think BTCJam was a crap from the start to end? | [16:22] |
danielpbarron | yes | [16:22] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: how do you lend money? | [16:22] |
felipelalli | or borrow? | [16:22] |
* | ascii_field wishes he could buy the entire issue of the 'pocorgfo' in hard cover archival paper | [16:22] |
ascii_field | as it comes out, even | [16:22] |
danielpbarron | i don't except with very close associates and even then i'd really rather not | [16:23] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: so, you are not the target, that's why you are not worried. | [16:23] |
danielpbarron | ;;later tell nubbins` ^ job opportunity | [16:23] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [16:23] |
danielpbarron | felipelalli, get more WoT connections in here and maybe you can borrow money | [16:24] |
ascii_field | why would anyone want to borrow btc ? | [16:24] |
danielpbarron | that's what I'd like to know | [16:24] |
ascii_field | if you can reliably turn x btc into kx for some nonzero positive k, | [16:24] |
danielpbarron | i know a guy (Birdman) who borrows it to play poker | [16:24] |
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danielpbarron | !up ascii_field | [16:25] |
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ascii_field | then you don't need to borrow, just start with epsilon | [16:25] |
ascii_field | and end up with as many as you want | [16:25] |
danielpbarron | well he always loses it | [16:25] |
danielpbarron | that's why he always needs to borrow it again | [16:25] |
trinque | that's uh, not borrowing | [16:25] |
ascii_field | and someone, knowing this, wants to lend ? | [16:25] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron ascii_field many reasons, like arbitrage for example. But you can borrow linked to USD or BRL. | [16:25] |
danielpbarron | felipelalli, like what ascii said, if that were profitable you should already have a stash with which to work | [16:26] |
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felipelalli | that what exactly? Borrow? | [16:27] |
ascii_field | felipelalli: linked to usd << can go borrow usd right now, trivially | [16:27] |
danielpbarron | if you have some arbitrage opportunity, and it's worked in the past, you should have bitcoin from last time to make it work again this time.. so why the need to borrow? | [16:27] |
ascii_field | as many as you like | [16:27] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: but and in the first time? | [16:28] |
danielpbarron | well you seem to be well past a first time.? | [16:28] |
danielpbarron | and yeah, go borrow fiat, buy bitcoin, make money, sell some bitcoin, repay loan | [16:28] |
felipelalli | borrow fiat where? | [16:29] |
felipelalli | in the bank? | [16:29] |
danielpbarron | idk, i have credit cards | [16:29] |
ascii_field | felipelalli: friendly local mafia | [16:29] |
danielpbarron | every week i'm getting new offers | [16:29] |
danielpbarron | i have a stack of those prepaid return envelopes | [16:29] |
danielpbarron | :D | [16:29] |
felipelalli | Depends on situation. For example: I had to spend some unforeseen money and I didn't want to climb a mountain to get my bitcoins, so I got a loan with a very low interest rate. | [16:30] |
felipelalli | Yes, I store my bitcoin in a coordinate. | [16:30] |
danielpbarron | it's so risky borrowing bitcoin; it's ruined lives | [16:30] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: it is linked with USD :) | [16:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26869 @ 0.00028369 = 7.6225 BTC [-] | [16:31] |
danielpbarron | i really doubt your secret mountain wallet is as secure as you imagine | [16:31] |
felipelalli | the bitcoin is just the mean. | [16:31] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: well, I have some backups. | [16:31] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: but I am a geocaching player and yes, it is very secure. | [16:31] |
danielpbarron | i don't doubt your physical hiding abilities | [16:31] |
mats | rofl | [16:32] |
danielpbarron | i doubt 1) your entropy generating abilities 2) your not telling a secret when a hot iron is inserted into your body abilities | [16:32] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: I have to go now! :) I'll write an article about this bad move of BTCJam soon. Thank you. | [16:32] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: 1) well, you will never know. 2) don't put all your eggs in the same basket. | [16:33] |
ascii_field | https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo02.pdf << p. 3 article, 'on importance of tools' << pure gold | [16:36] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeS0o0 ) | [16:36] |
danielpbarron | oh btw i got my ADA reference manual; things quite nice. it's from a public library and it looks as though nobody ever checked it out | [16:37] |
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danielpbarron | someone pointed out to me that if i wasn't already a terrorist suspect, buying the reference manual to the language for airplanes isn't going to help that image | [16:39] |
danielpbarron | !up Bagels7 | [16:39] |
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trinque | danielpbarron: order a nodejs book and throw them off | [16:39] |
ascii_field | order 'anarchist's cookbook', get on the 'harmless idiots' list | [16:40] |
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trinque | well, that wasn't the right keybinding | [16:41] |
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Adlai | ascii_field: lies, there is no whitelist | [16:44] |
ascii_field | brownlist | [16:44] |
trinque | I'll go out on a limb and say they're not rounding up people for derping on IRC | [16:44] |
trinque | as much as that would make one the star of one's own action movie | [16:44] |
ascii_field | with enough effort, can get rounded up for derping with goose quill pen on parchment | [16:45] |
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trinque | chetty: maybe, years can make the inconceivable inevitable | [16:49] |
trinque | seems like you have to go directly after them pretty hard before they kill you | [16:50] |
trinque | not... buy an ada book | [16:50] |
trinque | michael hastings had what seems to me a long life by most measures of govt oppression | [16:51] |
ascii_field | the 'honest man hanged by six words he wrote' is not hanged 1/6th of the way by each | [16:51] |
ascii_field | but trinque's observation brings to mind one of mine | [16:51] |
trinque | ascii_field: well I think I'm echoing a sentiment I've heard from you; I wont be grabbing my rifle any time soon | [16:51] |
trinque | just waiting | [16:51] |
trinque | and educating myself | [16:51] |
ascii_field | every day when i wake up still alive, i know that i have not yet achieved anything. | [16:52] |
trinque | hah! that's about right | [16:52] |
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kakobrekla | eh s.nsa is still young | [16:53] |
danielpbarron | !up mariorz | [16:54] |
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trinque | !up ascii_field | [16:55] |
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ascii_field | jurov: no, this is the naive picture | [16:58] |
ascii_field | the way it works, when it works, is that moles actually take the trouble to read (or even provocateur...) in the forum | [16:58] |
ascii_field | (whichever forum) | [16:58] |
ascii_field | and slowly, meticulously form a picture of who gets the red carpet to the gasenwagen and when | [16:59] |
jurov | i can see that, except for slowness or even meticulousness | [17:00] |
mircea_popescu | mp whining in 2012 that there's no rifled bullets. commenter fixing it, today : http://trilema.com/2012/o-idee-practica/#comment-113197 | [17:01] |
assbot | O idee practica ✭ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OeWFpU ) | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | amd hi all! | [17:01] |
jurov | hello | [17:02] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: rifled projectiles for smoothbore barrels are sold in every hunting shop in usa | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | yeah well... | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | romanian ok ? easier audience. | [17:02] |
ascii_field | jurov: normally you can tell who are the 'basic' shills by noting their assumptions (of their marks being dumb as shit) - see, e.g., mr moarspam: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014388 | [17:03] |
assbot | Logged on 10-02-2015 03:30:16; asciilifeform: also claimed to be working on a 'military' path to sovereign moldbuggistan, which screams 'provocateur' | [17:03] |
mircea_popescu | course that may just select for dumb willful people. | [17:04] |
ascii_field | zap the predators, zap their prey - we don't need either for anything | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | mmm | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | their prey is usually someone's mom. | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | take BingoBoingo's earlier drunken rageorgy. | [17:05] |
ascii_field | not speaking of generic sp4mz0rz here | [17:05] |
ascii_field | but of provocateurs | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | not sure that resolves it. | [17:05] |
ascii_field | like the one in linked thread | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | naphex ahahaha romania-insider, you should see that thing o gawd. | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | best english is lulzy english. | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field aite working my way there, | [17:07] |
[]bot | Bet created: "BTC to top $500 before June 29th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1130/ | [17:08] |
trinque | anybody know punkman's status? wanted to get the bot squared away with a proper nick, then get that autovoiced | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060348 << sweet. | [17:08] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 16:57:04; trinque: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt | [17:08] |
trinque | if I can't get deedbot, I'll just do it with the dash | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | ;;seen punkman1 | [17:08] |
gribble | punkman1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 39 seconds ago:
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mircea_popescu | ;;seen punkman | [17:08] |
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mircea_popescu | punkman yo | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | hm. | [17:08] |
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mircea_popescu | !up Mrstickball | [17:09] |
-assbot- | You voiced Mrstickball for 30 minutes. | [17:09] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060364 << lol win | [17:10] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 17:32:01; kakobrekla: recently got fixed and now causing trouble down the line | [17:10] |
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mircea_popescu | felipelalli: My dear gang noise, << new one. | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, is btcjam just about cooked up enough to go belly up or does it still have thread to survive this year ? | [17:13] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060428 << i dunno that anyone ever took them seriously. | [17:13] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 19:03:25; felipelalli: Anyone can write about this on qntra.net? They just eliminate one of the best features of BTCJam. | [17:13] |
brendafdez | I was searching the logs and couldn't find a way to sort by date ascending. Tried setting the start parameter to a value close to the total number of results, but it won't take values greater than 5000. :( Is there a way to do it? | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060448 o.O. See http://trilema.com/2015/btcjam-what-starts-as-a-scam-stays-a-scam/ ? or maybe https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-btcjam-peer-to-peer-bitcoin-lending.67541/page-21#post-1330880 ? | [17:15] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 19:13:49; felipelalli: But it is a nice and useful service. | [17:15] |
assbot | BTCJam : What starts as a scam stays a scam pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GAelGZ ) | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway. | [17:15] |
mircea_popescu | brendafdez i thought search automatically sorts by time, descending ? | [17:16] |
danielpbarron | brendafdez, beginning of public log -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-04-2013#1 | [17:16] |
assbot | Logged on 26-04-2013 00:01:30; pgp3: just looked at chart... shit... a couple hours can be an eternity in bitcoin land... | [17:16] |
[]bot | Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $500 before June 29th" http://bitbet.us/bet/1130/ Odds: 1(Y):99(N) by coin, 1(Y):99(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.6 BTC. Current weight: 99,994. | [17:16] |
brendafdez | I was trying to see the first messages in the chan by each user. If a user has say 50000 messages, I can't find a way to see the pages with the earliest 45000. | [17:17] |
mircea_popescu | oh. | [17:17] |
mircea_popescu | yeah i think you found a problem that can't actually be resolved with currently available tools. | [17:18] |
danielpbarron | that's a feature! nobody wants their first words to be seen again :p | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | lol. | [17:18] |
brendafdez | ok :P then it'll have to be done the hard way ;) | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | it is sort-of a feature, you only get to see the noobish beginnings of people newer than you. | [17:18] |
kakobrekla | meanwhile http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from:brendafdez&start=180 | [17:18] |
assbot | 184 results for 'from:brendafdez' - #bitcoin-assets search | [17:18] |
brendafdez | works only bc I have less than 5000 | [17:19] |
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kakobrekla | a | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060482 << well yes but maybe it's a one shot thing. | [17:19] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 19:20:31; ascii_field: and end up with as many as you want | [17:19] |
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trinque | seems I'd sooner airgap a bsd or something, but if it works it works | [17:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86800 @ 0.00028414 = 24.6634 BTC [+] {4} | [17:22] |
trinque | is there some ancient processor which has an rng that works? | [17:22] |
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trinque | !up punkman1 | [17:25] |
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trinque | deedbot- or notary? punkman1 has notary grouped atm | [17:25] |
trinque | !up ascii_field | [17:25] |
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trinque | mircea_popescu: ^ | [17:26] |
trinque | eh it's already deedbot lots of places, probably best with the current nick | [17:26] |
trinque | punkman1: lose your primary nick? | [17:27] |
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punkman | nope | [17:27] |
ascii_field | trinque: rng in ic is a dead concept right off the bat | [17:27] |
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punkman | trinque, I think Ragnar had "deedbot" account, you can ask him | [17:28] |
trinque | RagnarDanneskjol: ^ lemme know if you'd like the current deedbot to use that nick | [17:29] |
punkman | http://xm42.com/ | [17:32] |
assbot | XM42™ | The Ion Productions Team ... ( http://bit.ly/1xmQnzv ) | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060490 << no, not for him, and not for most of the third world. | [17:33] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 19:23:04; ascii_field: felipelalli: linked to usd << can go borrow usd right now, trivially | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | if you imagine random guy in this world can borrow for any purpose you're nuts. all banks lend to nat'l government and us government only. | [17:34] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu: speaking from the chumpatronic jail here, just about any schmuck can get at least 5 digits of loansharkamatic without breaking a sweat | [17:34] |
ascii_field | (at extortionate interest, but that's a separate question) | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | sure, but uniquely usian phenomenon. | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | AND this is for the great benefit of everyone else, because nobody is as poor as usians. | [17:35] |
mircea_popescu | just, you know, everyone thinks they're speshul. but if i were a natl bank governor i wouldn't allow the derps to borrow either. | [17:35] |
ascii_field | it is used as the real primary taxation mechanism | [17:35] |
mircea_popescu | "get an education get a house get insurance get a wife" etc. sure. | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | but still. | [17:36] |
ascii_field | schmuck wants to live in a house, owes $maxint, pays interest until dies | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | i think bynow college > housing, but yeah, same idea. | [17:36] |
trinque | nobody under 30 expects to own a house anymore | [17:36] |
mircea_popescu | that's cool, because nobody over 30 owns one, either. | [17:37] |
trinque | rent forever, never pay off student debt | [17:37] |
mircea_popescu | expectations coming to allign with reality is a measure of emerging sanity | [17:37] |
trinque | of course, property taxes underneath all the other "it's not really yours" | [17:37] |
trinque | or forfeiture | [17:38] |
* | Adlai wouldn't be surprised if not only http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039710 but also it contains a few houses too | [17:38] |
assbot | Logged on 03-03-2015 09:14:51; mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves. | [17:38] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060503 << and here we go. nothing to do with money everything to do with household cashflow | [17:38] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 19:25:24; felipelalli: Depends on situation. For example: I had to spend some unforeseen money and I didn't want to climb a mountain to get my bitcoins, so I got a loan with a very low interest rate. | [17:38] |
Adlai | though the wot isn't exactly your average "nobody over 30" | [17:38] |
trinque | I got paid to go to college and still left | [17:38] |
ascii_field | i have a fairly solid expectation of starving eventually | [17:39] |
ascii_field | so gotta disagree | [17:39] |
ascii_field | (somehow didn't notice that thread..) | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field i had an article about how all us citizens should have a solid expectation of being homeless eventually | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | it's just what the numbers say | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | (% of homeless people, life expectancy of homeless people, life expectancy of general population, -> over 50% or some shit) | [17:40] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060505 << you familiar with the experience of that one guy who borrowed in 2011ish toi make a point, was still paying on it by 2013 ? | [17:40] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 19:26:02; danielpbarron: it's so risky borrowing bitcoin; it's ruined lives | [17:40] |
Adlai | mircea_popescu: how's that work, you're saying homeless people have longer life expectancy? | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | much shorter. | [17:41] |
danielpbarron | probably; i've read the horror stories on the forum | [17:41] |
Adlai | then why would most people have an expectation of being homeless eventually!? | [17:41] |
Adlai | or is the theory that homelessness is a stage just before death | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | think of it in terms of particles : if muons live a second and meons an hour, and at all times 10% of particle population is muons, then what changes does a meon to turn into a muon during its lifetime ? | [17:41] |
ascii_field | Adlai: in usa, if your income nulls out you turn into a bum generally within one business quarter | [17:41] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: hm is this where the declining soviet population went? a different x% croaking on the street per year? | [17:41] |
trinque | ascii_field: ^ | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much. | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | s/changes/chances/ | [17:42] |
mircea_popescu | felipelalli if you write some apologetic pos about how toejam is an actual service it's not getting published. | [17:43] |
mircea_popescu | "all the other rags" is the proper venue for that sorta nonsense. | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060523 << this lol | [17:44] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 19:35:24; ascii_field: order 'anarchist's cookbook', get on the 'harmless idiots' list | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060529 << this actually hapepned ? | [17:44] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 19:40:39; ascii_field: with enough effort, can get rounded up for derping with goose quill pen on parchment | [17:44] |
ascii_field | first one that comes to mind is giordanno bruno | [17:45] |
danielpbarron | according to the mythology taught in US public school, ya | [17:45] |
ascii_field | but yes, complicated (TM) | [17:45] |
mircea_popescu | last one not first one. | [17:45] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45050 @ 0.0002872 = 12.9384 BTC [+] | [17:46] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060549 << someone's not been paying attention TO ALL THE ALLCAPS DEPRAGE. TEMPEST. WHOREFEST. MUCUS. ANTIETAM. ETCISAWORD. | [17:46] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 19:53:04; jurov: and more importantly, before or after collection, query for certain books and irc channels | [17:46] |
mircea_popescu | trinque hastings was born before me wtf. this is a long life now ? | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | s/before/after. | [17:47] |
trinque | mircea_popescu: when imagining overt dictatorship I'd think so | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think any human population can be stable with lifetimes averages < 30. | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | the population simply collapses at that point. think cockroaches. | [17:48] |
ascii_field | re: starving: at any rate, starvation is also what they do to 'problematic' folks in usa instead of shooting, typically | [17:48] |
ascii_field | blackballing - traditional | [17:48] |
trinque | oh we're fucked; I just don't expect that the men in black are coming for me because I said I like bitcoin | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field problem is we're rich. this can no longer work for bitcoin. | [17:48] |
ascii_field | mircea_popescu is rich | [17:48] |
* | ascii_field is not remotely confusable for rich | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | the plan is of course to use it extensively on anyone related to usg, starting with the press, starting with idiot whores a la leah goodman and idiot venues a la newsweek | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | but it onl;y works that way | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field not you and me per se. bitcoin, itself, going for 10bn dollah nao. | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | too far. | [17:49] |
trinque | ascii_field's comment about having accomplished something put it better than I did | [17:50] |
ascii_field | 'you'n me will burn in this here tank, but red army triumphs' (tm) / | [17:50] |
ascii_field | ? | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | you were discussing economic warfare omg. | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | "you and i might not care or know, but someone in the capitalist club is financing the new lightbulb" | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | and the discussion of how this works - already, for that matter - is right above : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060676 | [17:53] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 20:38:54; mircea_popescu: felipelalli if you write some apologetic pos about how toejam is an actual service it's not getting published. | [17:53] |
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mircea_popescu | one day newsweek will need to borrow and find itself unable to. | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | and some other day, usg. | [17:53] |
mircea_popescu | as you say, it's called blackballing. | [17:54] |
ascii_field | yeah, but right now the who-whom is pointed the other way. | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | nope | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | it only works one way. | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | modern weapons yo. they only work in the hands of the proper people. | [17:55] |
ascii_field | rly. so mykotronx is holding bake sales to build nsa crypto garbage, and s.nsa is baking diamond ternary ram ? | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | nope. | [17:55] |
felipelalli | mircea_popescu: I understand. Thank you. | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | but there's nothing anyone can do to prevent s.nsa from baking what it bakes | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | whereas mykotronx can stop tomorrow, and that tomorrow is coming. | [17:56] |
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mircea_popescu | !up ascii_field | [17:56] |
-assbot- | You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. | [17:56] |
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ascii_field | 'It will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber.' (some american derpmeister in the '60s) | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | ascii_field compare, for it is informative, cisco's experience with bitbet's experience. | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | cisco was caught working with usg, lost 90% of sales in onequarter. | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | derp fucked up on bitbet, it turns out bitbet is not a consumer venue, sales doubled that quarter. | [17:57] |
ascii_field | then we find out that it doesn't actually need sales for anything | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | this is what it is, and the most important dynamic since combustion engine. | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | of course it does. | [17:57] |
ascii_field | it gets to carry on derping by order of the tsar-god | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | not in any sense useful, that. | [17:57] |
trinque | tsar god can't declare things into existence | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | imagine your daughter fails exams, now can't go to school. so what, you make her a mini university out of cardboard, and while the other girls to go school | [17:58] |
* | ascii_field recalls learning with alarm as a little boy that there was ever such a thing as a reichsmark. 'couldn't hitler simply order shit done?' | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | she derps with puppets in the foot tall "campus" ? | [17:58] |
ascii_field | lol i live in that campus. | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i gtg, we shall continue this argument tomorrow | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | and day after, | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | and all days until the one day, because it seems our fate :D | [17:59] |
ascii_field | lulzatronix. | [17:59] |
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nubbins` | *:ascii_field wishes he could buy the entire issue of the 'pocorgfo' in hard cover archival paper <<< judging by the second-page notes, you can | [18:09] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00028308 = 6.1145 BTC [-] | [18:12] |
felipelalli | mircea_popescu: Where can I find objective arguments against BTCJam? As a lending service and reputation system? And what are the alternatives for P2P lending or we don't have? They have 113,000 users, should they be ignored? | [18:15] |
danielpbarron | oh speaking of things nubbins` can print; how about an official Qntra business card? | [18:15] |
danielpbarron | felipelalli, the alternative is right in here | [18:16] |
nubbins` | danielpbarron no doubt | [18:16] |
nubbins` | silkscreened business cards are ++ | [18:16] |
danielpbarron | well i don't necessarily want to design one, but if that sounds like something the other qntra writers would want, I'd like a stack of them with my name on it if that's ok | [18:17] |
nubbins` | felipelalli how many users does windows xp have? | [18:17] |
nubbins` | should they be ignored? 8) | [18:17] |
nubbins` | danielpbarron if you guys figure somethin out between yourselves, i can print a batch all at once to save on setup | [18:17] |
danielpbarron | that's what i mean :D | [18:18] |
nubbins` | we print them something like 36-up, so you could have w/e number of designs/names/etc you wanted | [18:19] |
nubbins` | "Th is i s how t o c o n v e r t an i s s u e f o r d u pl e x p r i n t i n g ." | [18:20] |
nubbins` | right on | [18:20] |
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nubbins` | asciilifeform these things look great | [18:21] |
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felipelalli | nubbins`: in other words, should they be ignored? :) | [18:29] |
felipelalli | danielpbarron: Thank you! Next time I'll try it! :) | [18:29] |
nubbins` | felipelalli you tell me 8) | [18:30] |
nubbins` | point being that yes, many people can be wrong | [18:30] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform you'd be looking at around $10-15 for a softcover / staple-bound issue of this sent to your door | [18:30] |
nubbins` | depending on page count | [18:31] |
felipelalli | nubbins`: but I would like to collect the cons arguments. I was using the service for a while and it was nice, except the reputation system. But yes, without a good reputation system, it is worthless. :/ | [18:31] |
nubbins` | sounds like "it is worthless" is a pretty big con. | [18:31] |
ascii_field | nubbins`: which 'this' | [18:31] |
ascii_field | nubbins`: the whole set ? | [18:31] |
felipelalli | nubbins`: :) huge. | [18:32] |
nubbins` | sorry, just grabbed a random issue | [18:32] |
nubbins` | let me get a full page count here | [18:32] |
nubbins` | issue 6 recommends printing it on ledger | [18:32] |
felipelalli | I said to BTCJam CEO: "mircea said BTCJam is not even a service" he said "who is this?" and then tried to convince me "other people disagree with him" | [18:33] |
felipelalli | I was trying to convince him that don't let the users choose the interest rate is not a good idea. | [18:37] |
danielpbarron | well it's an obvious path for them to take considering the thing is a scam attractor | [18:38] |
nubbins` | ascii_field say around a hundred bucks for issues 00-07, 8.5x11" footprint, staple-bound | [18:39] |
ascii_field | staple bound ? | [18:39] |
ascii_field | as in, iron staples ? | [18:39] |
BingoBoingo | I have the most intense hangover | [18:39] |
nubbins` | i'd have to check the type of metal | [18:39] |
ascii_field | ugh | [18:39] |
ascii_field | not booklike at all | [18:39] |
nubbins` | almost certainly steel | [18:39] |
nubbins` | hey, i can hand-sew, but you're not gonna like the price | [18:39] |
felipelalli | he said they have a "learning machine" to determine the correct interest rate, but it is a joke don't let the free market decide its own rates. | [18:40] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00028308 = 12.2574 BTC [-] | [18:41] |
nubbins` | once you start sewing bindings, you commit to labour-intensive cover attachment | [18:41] |
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ascii_field | ah | [18:41] |
ascii_field | it was worth a shot. thx for the phree quote, nubbins` | [18:42] |
ascii_field | but i can laser print and perforate as well as the next guy. | [18:42] |
nubbins` | nod | [18:42] |
danielpbarron | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 | [18:43] |
assbot | Gmane -- Re: stable Linux 2.6.25.10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Lp8K ) | [18:43] |
danielpbarron | point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them. | [18:43] |
nubbins` | it's only around $30 of materials | [18:43] |
danielpbarron | Security people are often the black-and-white kind of people that I can't stand. I think the OpenBSD crowd is a bunch of masturbating monkeys, in that they make such a big deal about concentrating on security to the point where they pretty much admit that nothing else matters to them. | [18:43] |
nubbins` | truthfully it's the fact that all the setup work is being done for a single book | [18:44] |
nubbins` | if you wanted, say, even a half-dozen copies, different story | [18:44] |
ascii_field | nubbins`: yes, like circuit boards | [18:44] |
ascii_field | nubbins`: i routinely use 'print on demand' houses when i feel like getting xxxx in dead tree, but the result is invariably just a little better than what i can do at home | [18:45] |
ascii_field | not one can do 'lay flat' cover, for instance | [18:45] |
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ascii_field | (other than with perforator and spiral binding) | [18:45] |
danielpbarron | i might buy one if there are enough people in the pool | [18:45] |
nubbins` | you'd be surprised how tricky it is! | [18:45] |
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* | ascii_field has bound books by hand and is not even slightly surprised | [18:45] |
nubbins` | heh. well, there y'go. | [18:46] |
ascii_field | but fact remains, there is no automagickal machine for it | [18:46] |
nubbins` | let me find some drool shots | [18:46] |
ascii_field | like there is for the crappy bindings | [18:46] |
ascii_field | danielpbarron: linus is wrong, but very few people seem to grasp the reason why | [18:47] |
nubbins` | http://imgur.com/2C4E5GP,20B9ktJ,SEDrede,EPI6Pww,pxZ4arA | [18:47] |
assbot | Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXV9C1 ) | [18:47] |
ascii_field | !s malice incompetence | [18:47] |
assbot | 21 results for 'malice incompetence' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=malice+incompetence | [18:48] |
nubbins` | 5th image shows the kind of corners a thousand-dollar book plough makes. | [18:48] |
danielpbarron | did that 0.5.3 source ever become a book? maybe put that on the list of things I'd buy if enough people in pool | [18:48] |
ascii_field | danielpbarron: it did not | [18:48] |
nubbins` | danielpbarron it was shelved at the time | [18:48] |
ascii_field | danielpbarron: because i'm not interested in reading crud | [18:48] |
danielpbarron | basically anything ascii wants in book form, I would probably also want | [18:48] |
nubbins` | until such point is reached that the code is worthy of bookifying | [18:49] |
ascii_field | remember, b00kz only work if you... read'em | [18:49] |
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nubbins` | nobody wants to pay me to typeset a piece of shit for 20 hours 8) | [18:49] |
ascii_field | nubbins`: what is a book plough ? | [18:49] |
ascii_field | cutting press ? | [18:49] |
danielpbarron | S.BOOK needs to be a thing maybe | [18:49] |
nubbins` | cutting press sounds like a fair synonym | [18:50] |
nubbins` | http://www.louet.nl/en/bookbinding-vertical-plough | [18:50] |
assbot | Louët :: Vertical Plough ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Mpd5 ) | [18:50] |
cazalla | BingoBoingo, how much piss did you sink last night? | [18:50] |
nubbins` | you can find youtube vidyas of same | [18:50] |
ascii_field | most folks source, rather than sink, piss | [18:50] |
ascii_field | nubbins`: betcha a laser would work | [18:50] |
nubbins` | mayhap. but it'd singe the pages? | [18:50] |
nubbins` | the edges this plough makes are as smooth as fucking /glass/. | [18:51] |
cazalla | ascii_field, we do things different down under :) | [18:51] |
ascii_field | nubbins`: surprisingly little burn if cut correctly | [18:52] |
nubbins` | wild | [18:52] |
ascii_field | but yes, they'll turn black | [18:52] |
nubbins` | http://www.talasonline.com/ | [18:52] |
assbot | Talas || Professional Archival, Bookbinding, Conservation and Restoration Supplies ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXW0CQ ) | [18:52] |
nubbins` | ^ source of all things bookish | [18:52] |
nubbins` | their print catalog is a particular joy | [18:52] |
ascii_field | bookbinding is rather like music in a sense | [18:52] |
nubbins` | harkens back to the first time i rcv'd a mouser catalog | [18:52] |
nubbins` | oh, it's 100% an art | [18:52] |
nubbins` | you can't teach it | [18:52] |
nubbins` | ...or maybe i just can't be taught it 8) | [18:53] |
ascii_field | in the sense that a typical artisan binder would probably react to my laser suggestion the same way my musical friends react to the suggestion of connecting my air compressor to the tuba | [18:53] |
nubbins` | hahah. | [18:53] |
nubbins` | hey, if it gets the job done. | [18:53] |
nubbins` | although TBF an old-timey bookbinding setup is still an incredibly efficient way to work | [18:54] |
BingoBoingo | cazalla: Half of a handle | [18:54] |
nubbins` | i've done staple-binding, perfect binding, kettle stitch binding... eventually i'm gonna have to order some board and cloth | [18:55] |
nubbins` | at which point things will come full-circle and i'll be silkscreening fabric for the covers of silkscreened books | [18:55] |
ascii_field | reference bitcoin - board & leather. | [18:55] |
cazalla | what's that.. a bit over 700ml.. damn that's a good effort BingoBoingo | [18:55] |
BingoBoingo | Yeah, got myself good and pickled | [18:56] |
nubbins` | ascii_field there's a woman in town who's been binding for years, has an ancient letterpress setup. i'd say she'd at least know where to point me for leather work | [18:57] |
nubbins` | you opposed to sealskin? | [18:58] |
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ascii_field | sealskin works | [18:58] |
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nubbins` | fair warning, animal lovers may resent you for it | [18:59] |
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Adlai | needs a good dropcap, style of http://croquersamuse.voila.net/images/Web%20DSCN4701.jpg | [19:00] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9NLEG ) | [19:00] |
nubbins` | seals are uh, "special" mammalia. they're cute enough that their harvesting produces outrage | [19:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108500 @ 0.0002829 = 30.6947 BTC [-] {2} | [19:00] |
nubbins` | Adlai religious texts are ++++ for those | [19:00] |
Adlai | is bitcoin deserving of 'religion' status? | [19:00] |
Adlai | being in the wot qualifies you for overseeing marriage in 2020 england, kind of stuff | [19:01] |
ascii_field | http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3238352932884994@naggum.no.html << obligatory naggum | [19:01] |
assbot | Re: Common Lisp vs Scheme - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9NSjK ) | [19:01] |
ascii_field | (last paragraph) | [19:01] |
danielpbarron | nubbins`> fair warning, animal lovers may resent you for it << so.. win win :D | [19:02] |
ascii_field | http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3237396100556424@naggum.no.html | [19:03] |
assbot | Re: Why I can't use Lisp. - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXXJIn ) | [19:03] |
ascii_field | ' I went to my local bookstore the other day. I wanted to give a beautifully bound Bible to a Christian friend of mine. Suddenly, I felt space around me warp and I was in USENET space. People from comp.lang.scheme offered me a beutifully bound Torah. People from comp.lang.dylan offered me a beautifully bound Koran. People from elsewhere on the Net offered me beautifully bound copies of The Lord of the Rings, Atlas | [19:04] |
ascii_field | Shrugged, A New Kind of Science, and then other people chimed in with suggestions for Gray's Anatomy, The Chicago Manual of Style, and the 25-year anniversary edition of Gödel, Escher, Bach, all of them arguing that if I wanted the most important book, I would want their suggestions. I scremed, "Enough!", and space just as suddenly warped back to the bookstore and the very helpful young Muslim woman behind the counter | [19:04] |
ascii_field | went to find a soft-leather-bound Bible with gold edges on the India paper, just like I had wanted and asked for, without unwelcome suggestions or anyone pretending to know better than me. It was so respectful I almost got religion, myself. ' | [19:04] |
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ascii_field | danielpbarron: varying translations or just bindings ? | [19:07] |
danielpbarron | one of the best places to get like-new Bibles is a used book store | [19:07] |
danielpbarron | bindings mostly | [19:07] |
danielpbarron | although i have a spanish one | [19:07] |
danielpbarron | but mostly KJV | [19:07] |
danielpbarron | i'd like more NKJV but they just aren't as widly produced | [19:07] |
nubbins` | friend of mine has a ton of bibles | [19:08] |
nubbins` | he's got one that's a reproduction of the 1st-edition gutenberg bible | [19:08] |
danielpbarron | actually maybe nubbins` can help me there; I have this really nice pocket Bible with a zipper and real leather, but it's KJV and i'd like it in NKJV | [19:08] |
nubbins` | SO MANY HUGE FUCK-UPS | [19:08] |
danielpbarron | probably way out of my price range though | [19:08] |
nubbins` | they don't sell nkjv bibles w/ zippers and leather? | [19:10] |
danielpbarron | http://g.christianbook.com/dg/product/cbd/f400/146074.jpg << i think it's this one | [19:10] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXYG3g ) | [19:10] |
danielpbarron | nope | [19:10] |
danielpbarron | not as small as that ^ one | [19:10] |
danielpbarron | that also has the "references" B.S. which I don't need -- I'd rather have the NKJV alternate transation footnotes | [19:11] |
nubbins` | better ask News Corp, i guess | [19:12] |
nubbins` | http://viewer.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/icv/page.php?book=arch._b_b.11&page=409 | [19:13] |
assbot | Arch. B b.11 - pages ... ( http://bit.ly/1BXZ9lZ ) | [19:13] |
nubbins` | ^ check out the missing paragraph break, top right | [19:13] |
danielpbarron | i don't understand what i'm looking at | [19:14] |
nubbins` | http://bav.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/field/image/gutenberg_203r_0.png | [19:15] |
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nubbins` | that's what a paragraph break looks like | [19:15] |
nubbins` | the red and blue ink were added afterward, by hand, and the printer left a blank space for them | [19:15] |
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nubbins` | nicer embellishments by the rubricators meant a higher selling price | [19:16] |
nubbins` | in the previous example, no such space was left for the number and the painted letter | [19:16] |
nubbins` | so various solutions were used for various copies | [19:16] |
nubbins` | that one's a particularly uh, embellished example | [19:16] |
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nubbins` | "The "great majority of incunables did not issue from the press in a finished state ... hardly any incunable was considered 'finished' by its printer ...", suggesting that hand rubrication provided a sense of legitimacy to the efforts of early printers and their works." | [19:18] |
danielpbarron | i don't need fancy thingys; just the whole NKJV text pocket sized with a zipper so the pages don't get messed up when i travel with it but w/e my KJV works well enough | [19:19] |
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jurov | btw, i was always curious what is one supposed to do with the bible all the time? | [19:20] |
jurov | i was like okay, read it like any other book | [19:21] |
danielpbarron | sometimes in arguments people are like "oh yeah where does it say that!?" | [19:21] |
nubbins` | jurov i think it's used more as a reference manual than a novel | [19:21] |
ascii_field | ... and there's also bibliomancy. | [19:22] |
nubbins` | danielpbarron why not just get a similarly-sized NKJV and swap it out? | [19:22] |
danielpbarron | i'm not sure one even exists | [19:22] |
danielpbarron | i ordered what was described as "pocket sized" and it turned out to be much larger | [19:22] |
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nubbins` | http://www.amazon.com/Smallest-Bible-NKJV-Black-Closing/dp/0840784465 | [19:23] |
assbot | The Smallest Bible (NKJV, Black, Snap Flap Closing): Thomas Nelson: 9780840784469: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9QMF9 ) | [19:23] |
jurov | from experience i surmised it's used to find accurate projection for inner turmoil | [19:23] |
danielpbarron | yeah i've seen that one | [19:23] |
nubbins` | not quite a zipper | [19:24] |
jurov | scratch that accurate. any projection. | [19:24] |
nubbins` | jurov what else ya gonna do w/ turmoil | [19:25] |
jurov | nubbins`: esoteric/new age stuff is more soothing | [19:26] |
nubbins` | enya doesn't have any answers | [19:26] |
jurov | i did not say anything about answers | [19:27] |
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jurov | they can be had by observation, not by projection anyway | [19:28] |
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nubbins` | next you'll tell me that taking anti-anxiety meds won't help resolve deeply-rooted personal issues 8) | [19:30] |
jurov | no, obv only bible can do it | [19:31] |
danielpbarron | ^ ++ | [19:31] |
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trinque | https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/a4658f4eccc8a8e6338a8711c0291706/tumblr_mmbfq0apsW1r92643o1_500.jpg | [19:32] |
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nubbins` | that is *not* how you make a secret compartment in a book. | [19:33] |
trinque | nubbins`: along spine? | [19:35] |
trinque | wasn't a proposal though :p | [19:35] |
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nubbins` | you're supposed to soak the entire book block in water+glue, then press it til it's dried, then cut the hole out | [19:36] |
trinque | ah, makes sense | [19:37] |
nubbins` | https://img1.etsystatic.com/000/0/5215851/il_570xN.181912317.jpg | [19:38] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SC8S ) | [19:38] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150320/archer-heights/150-firefighters-battle-extra-alarm-fire-archer-heights-thursday | [19:38] |
assbot | Huge Fire Breaks Out at Fire Extinguisher Factory in Archer Heights - Archer Heights - DNAinfo.com Chicago ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SExv ) | [19:38] |
nubbins` | or even better, http://www.instash.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Hollow-Book-Safe-With-Flask.jpg | [19:38] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9SCWr ) | [19:38] |
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trinque | !up brendafdez | [19:39] |
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trinque | brendafdez: might want to make sure your client auths before join | [19:40] |
trinque | dunno if ddos is a problem anymore, but it has happened | [19:40] |
brendafdez | trinque yes i never bothered to configure it properly | [19:41] |
brendafdez | it still is, at least as of last week i got ddosed when entering the chan | [19:42] |
trinque | bothering has its benefits | [19:42] |
brendafdez | indeed | [19:42] |
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nubbins` | man, this Roko's Basilisk is some straight-up bughouse stuff | [19:46] |
trinque | nubbins`: ever read I have no Mouth and I Must Scream? | [19:48] |
trinque | kind of reminds me of the AI in that | [19:48] |
nubbins` | nope | [19:49] |
nubbins` | i'll check it out | [19:49] |
trinque | good story, not directly related | [19:49] |
trinque | this idea that an exact duplicate of me *is* me seems absurd on its face | [19:51] |
trinque | part of the basilisk thing | [19:51] |
trinque | so you've got two hammers, and they're identical to the atom | [19:51] |
trinque | their position is irrelevant to the question? | [19:51] |
thestringpuller | brendafdez: what time is it in argentina rite meow | [19:52] |
trinque | "Per Yudkowsky's conception of continuity of identity, copies of you in these branches should be considered to exist (and be you) — even though you cannot interact with them." | [19:52] |
trinque | that sentence is so fucked | [19:52] |
trinque | you cannot interact with you | [19:53] |
trinque | but you are you | [19:53] |
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trinque | I took a look at less wrong a while ago, and decided I could find an easier fetish | [19:53] |
Adlai | it's like saying that in The Prestige, whatsisname is a mass-murderer... he's not, he just fork()s | [19:54] |
brendafdez | utc -3 1949 | [19:54] |
trinque | Adlai: so? I'm experiencing subjectivity, whatever the fuck that is, *here* and definitely not *there* | [19:55] |
trinque | that there are an infinite number of copies of me with the same arrangement of atoms does not change that fact | [19:55] |
nubbins` | ^ | [19:55] |
trinque | and that thing is what I identify with, that my experience of being is right fucking here | [19:55] |
jurov | someone go grow a finger from yudkowski's dna and tell him you have the rest of his clone in cellar | [19:56] |
nubbins` | heh | [19:56] |
fluffypony | http://i.imgur.com/HAQJsaQ.jpg | [19:56] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Vi6q ) | [19:56] |
nubbins` | lel | [19:57] |
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danielpbarron | the word you're looking for, trinque, is soul | [19:57] |
trinque | danielpbarron: one way of putting it | [19:57] |
trinque | and I think a better way than not considering it at all | [19:58] |
trinque | danielpbarron: seems so many people try to argue themselves out of the obvious fact of their own being | [20:00] |
trinque | dunno if I put that clearly at all | [20:00] |
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trinque | there's a mental defect where one considers himself to be an idea | [20:00] |
danielpbarron | right | [20:01] |
trinque | so if I change my thoughts about myself, I change? | [20:01] |
trinque | no. | [20:01] |
danielpbarron | you would necessarily die if chopped up into bits and uploaded | [20:01] |
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danielpbarron | the thing on the other side would think it is you, but it wouldn't be you | [20:01] |
trinque | it is hard for me to draw conclusions about that scenario because uploaded is not at all defined | [20:01] |
trinque | but yeah, I am *here*, *this*, and *now* | [20:01] |
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trinque | and no other imagined thing | [20:01] |
trinque | and only to myself, I can't disclose that thing to anyone else | [20:02] |
trinque | or to the religious, "himself before god" or something | [20:02] |
danielpbarron | it's another tower of babel for man to think he can write a program to simulate his own brain better than it already is | [20:02] |
trinque | hubris for sure | [20:02] |
trinque | I like asciilifeform's mind amplifier concept | [20:03] |
trinque | telescopes and so on, not some new created "being" | [20:04] |
danielpbarron | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jltY41KxzXY << LOL | [20:04] |
assbot | OpenBSD: most secure OS in the planet, the movie! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9WjLO ) | [20:04] |
trinque | peaches oh my lol | [20:05] |
Adlai | trinque: right. the child process sees itself when dereferencing 'self' | [20:07] |
* | Adlai just finished the alpha version of his twist on actors/csp | [20:08] |
trinque | Adlai: dunno how far the programming metaphor goes; explain? | [20:08] |
trinque | I enjoyed that movie | [20:08] |
jurov | if you don't do fork but just spawn threads? what is self there? | [20:09] |
* | trinque got really like, far out, man, one time and concluded that his language processing bits were not the only thing he is | [20:09] |
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trinque | I do not think there's a verbal definition of being | [20:10] |
trinque | can't grab it with that | [20:10] |
nubbins` | no, but do enough lsd and you'll find a non-verbal definition | [20:10] |
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trinque | nubbins`: right-o | [20:10] |
nubbins` | dat ego death | [20:10] |
nubbins` | fair warning, that's a one-way street 8) | [20:10] |
Adlai | trinque: let's say harriezer has a 4d scanner, which he uses to capture the entire state of your brain, down to the atom. he then simulates twenty copies of this brain, each in its own simulated universe. even if you believe that there would now be 21 conscious trinques, the other twenty would be distinct from you. kinda like finding out about an identical twin that was separated from you at birth. | [20:11] |
nubbins` | and much realer than rololol's basilisk | [20:11] |
* | trinque recalls flopping around in front of a couch, saying to no one, "holy fuck, this is me!" | [20:11] |
* | danielpbarron has done "enough lsd" | [20:11] |
trinque | the flopping, lol | [20:11] |
Adlai | in the prestige, the magician does pretty much exactly this with tesla's copy-teleport machine | [20:11] |
nubbins` | Adlai not to mention that in the very next arbitrarily small slice of time, each of those 21 sets of atoms is now in a different state | [20:12] |
trinque | Adlai: yeh agreed they are distinct | [20:12] |
nubbins` | unless you're bringing quantum tunneling into it 8) | [20:12] |
Adlai | nubbins`: actually, i'd maintain the same even if harriezer's simulators recreate exactly what happens to trinque's brain in real time | [20:12] |
nubbins` | danielpbarron the concept of "enough" varies from person to person! | [20:12] |
nubbins` | nod | [20:13] |
Adlai | whether the identical programs on identical hardware ever read from /dev/random is another matter | [20:13] |
Adlai | but either way, they're still separate instances | [20:13] |
Adlai | even if their 'state' is identical | [20:13] |
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nubbins` | if you accept the multiverse as an axiom, there are already infinitely many copies of the universe in which the entirety of states that the atoms of your brain will ever arrange themselves in are precisely identical | [20:13] |
nubbins` | Adlai they're fungible! | [20:14] |
Adlai | yes. in such a multiverse, there are an infinite number of identical 'people', but each one thinks of itself as itself. the others are fungible, but the self is unique. | [20:14] |
trinque | I'd just ask Yudkowski "how are all of you feeling today?" | [20:15] |
trinque | he can't answer that | [20:15] |
trinque | knows he's full of shit | [20:15] |
trinque | it's barely worth considering | [20:15] |
trinque | no subjective experience can travel across his abstact bridge | [20:15] |
trinque | *abstract | [20:15] |
Adlai | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061016 << let's analogize that to http://www.legiontheory.com/ | [20:16] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 23:04:33; jurov: if you don't do fork but just spawn threads? what is self there? | [20:16] |
assbot | Legion Theory ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Yb7c ) | [20:16] |
trinque | Adlai: dennett went down that road too as I recall | [20:17] |
trinque | the "pandemonium model" of mind? | [20:17] |
Adlai | yes, and feral neurons | [20:17] |
Adlai | http://www.meltingasphalt.com/neurons-gone-wild/ | [20:17] |
assbot | Neurons Gone Wild | Melting Asphalt ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Yjne ) | [20:17] |
trinque | still in my experience there is a distinction between that which is thought and the singular experience of observing that | [20:18] |
Adlai | sorry, dennett himself is at http://edge.org/conversation/the-normal-well-tempered-mind | [20:18] |
assbot | THE NORMAL WELL-TEMPERED MIND | Edge.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9Ynn2 ) | [20:18] |
trinque | thoughts do seem to all compete for attention | [20:18] |
trinque | attention seems like one thing | [20:18] |
Adlai | you've never had a thought spring fully-formed into your mind ? | [20:18] |
trinque | certainly | [20:18] |
trinque | what you're calling "your mind" I'm calling attention | [20:19] |
trinque | the observer | [20:19] |
Adlai | sure | [20:19] |
trinque | probably danielpbarron's soul | [20:19] |
jurov | lol "we don't know what is a consciousness? let's say it is composed of many of itself" | [20:19] |
trinque | jurov: heh!!! | [20:20] |
Adlai | cf https://xkcd.com/1489/ | [20:20] |
assbot | xkcd: Fundamental Forces ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRP7rs ) | [20:20] |
Adlai | specifically, "Of these four forces, there's one we don't really understand." "Is it the weak force or the strong--" "It's gravity." | [20:20] |
jurov | and where thoughts come from... brain is dreaming all the time, there are easy exercises to access this stream at any time | [20:21] |
jurov | plus there is some pattern matching mechanism between tdreaming and external stimuli | [20:22] |
jurov | to choose what is being processed further and verbalised | [20:22] |
trinque | jurov: had the thought once in meditation that I was always... hm... thinking everything I've ever experienced all the time | [20:22] |
Adlai | someone (iirc dennett) lamented that everybody has their own theory of consciousness, as though this was a bad thing! | [20:23] |
jurov | i've tracked myself many thoughts back to that dream form | [20:23] |
* | Adlai doesn't (yet) see any use to the theory of consciousness beyond discussing it | [20:23] |
trinque | that is certainly so | [20:23] |
* | trinque steps back from the lsd flashback, gets another beer | [20:24] |
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jurov | at least my theory is useful in practice. just close eyes and watch what's happening, no need to be bored ever again | [20:25] |
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trinque | jurov: also good to review whatever's slipped in there while one's distracted | [20:25] |
Adlai | note that you can actually get cevs by doing just this, if you can keep your eyeballs from moving for ~5 minutes | [20:26] |
jurov | it's pointedly nota mediatation in "think of something that is nothing" sense | [20:26] |
danielpbarron | Adlai> note that you can actually get cevs by doing just this, if you can keep your eyeballs from moving for ~5 minutes << i used to do this when getting lecured by my mother as a child | [20:26] |
Adlai | ahahaa | [20:26] |
jurov | what's cev? | [20:26] |
danielpbarron | OEV though | [20:26] |
Adlai | closed-eye visions | [20:27] |
trinque | man when I was a kid, I'd have bizarre dreams | [20:27] |
Adlai | or visuals | [20:27] |
trinque | had one where I asked god what it meant to not exist | [20:27] |
trinque | at around 7 | [20:27] |
Adlai | http://psychedelicfrontier.com/perception-scope-how-conjure-open-eye-visuals/ | [20:28] |
assbot | The Perception Scope: How to Conjure Open-eye Visuals at Will - Psychedelic Frontier ... ( http://bit.ly/1MRQoyL ) | [20:28] |
trinque | lots of others involving apolcalyptic subjects | [20:28] |
trinque | the scenarios the mind can simulate... I'd like a pill someday that causes lucid dreaming | [20:28] |
nubbins` | train yourself for it | [20:29] |
nubbins` | take melatonin, and every time you touch a doorknob or a light switch in waking life, ask yourself "am i dreaming?" | [20:29] |
trinque | I run a business, too reactionary atm | [20:29] |
trinque | if I fall asleep at all I'm good | [20:29] |
nubbins` | eventually the habit will cross over | [20:29] |
Adlai | the idea is to build a habit of doubting whether you're awake | [20:30] |
nubbins` | and you'll find your dream-self holding a doorknob wondering if you're dreaming | [20:30] |
trinque | I'll try it out | [20:30] |
nubbins` | i had a roomie who did this with moderate success | [20:30] |
jurov | i'm all for moderation. not immerse yourself in it, just be aware of the stream | [20:30] |
Adlai | https://medium.com/@Grayfox/the-hacker-who-drank-ayahuasca-517148aa1ed4 | [20:31] |
assbot | The Hacker Who Drank Ayahuasca — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1x9ZROf ) | [20:31] |
nubbins` | jurov classic explanation of LSD action is that it removes the filters that your brain normally automatically applies to that stream | [20:31] |
trinque | Adlai: that one's on the list for when I can take a long enough vacation | [20:31] |
jurov | s/automatic/learned | [20:31] |
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trinque | 2c-e was a hell of a journey once upon a time | [20:32] |
trinque | seems like it messed with whatever simulates the world visually in the brain | [20:32] |
trinque | found thoughts escaping out into the things I was seeing around me | [20:32] |
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trinque | that kind of thing | [20:33] |
Adlai | literally, psychedelic = manifesting the mind | [20:33] |
trinque | ah, there you go | [20:33] |
nubbins` | jurov ooh, i like that, +1 | [20:33] |
trinque | shapes would form in front of me that corresponded to concepts, or so it seemed | [20:33] |
jurov | lol you insist on psychedelic and whatnot. i'm about normal brain function | [20:33] |
jurov | this: http://www.winwenger.com/imstream.htm | [20:34] |
assbot | Project Renaissance, Image-Streaming ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa0bMV ) | [20:34] |
trinque | it is probably utterly american of me to desire the right technology to experience such things | [20:34] |
Adlai | not really insisting, but the wagon is not moderate | [20:34] |
jurov | "Contrary to recent general belief, virtually every human can quickly and readily learn to "get pictures" in his mind's eye, thus becoming able to do visual thinking." | [20:34] |
trinque | as opposed to the right practice | [20:34] |
jurov | heh technique. can't get any simpler than trying to describe what comes to mind | [20:35] |
trinque | jurov: hm, seems just like what one does telling a story to another | [20:36] |
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jurov | when you're telling a story you're doing it to some purpose | [20:39] |
jurov | this is describing whatever is happening in the brain | [20:39] |
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asciilifeform | the whole 'copy isn't you' thing is pure unadulterated vitalism, however. | [20:49] |
asciilifeform | it is no accident, incidentally, that chemistry went nowhere until vitalism was banished from it | [20:50] |
asciilifeform | and physics ground to a screeching halt when bohr reintroduced it to physics | [20:50] |
asciilifeform | the answer to 'is the copy you' is 'shutthefuckup you're asking a broken question' | [20:50] |
asciilifeform | (while you read this paragraph, it is quite likely that at least one of your neurons died. and wasn't even replaced with a copyable mechanical one, at that. are you 'still you' ? and moreover, do you find the question itself interesting, or the answer being something that matters ?) | [20:52] |
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nubbins` | re: neurons gone wild | [20:56] |
Adlai | well, you do become 'less yourself', until there's nothing left... although it's a more complex process than just cells dying | [20:56] |
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nubbins` | you apparently see at comic-con type events a lot of people who have an "other self" | [20:56] |
nubbins` | generally some sort of furry | [20:56] |
Adlai | http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain_basics/ninds_neuron.htm#death | [20:56] |
assbot | The Life and Death of a Neuron: National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS) ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa3gMN ) | [20:56] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: to find people with 'more than one self' you generally have to visit more than one asylum | [20:57] |
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asciilifeform | (most 'multiple personality' cases are really just schizophrenics playing games. ask a specialist) | [20:57] |
Adlai | ah, that word again | [20:57] |
nubbins` | 8) | [20:57] |
trinque | asciilifeform: well yeah, I think defining self is meaningless | [20:57] |
trinque | but saying that is distinct from saying it doesn't exist | [20:57] |
trinque | can I tell you what it feels like for me to type this? | [20:57] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform i published an (embellished) bio of a man with schizophrenia | [20:58] |
Adlai | most people roleplaying at conventions aren't even as 'dissociated' as a good method actor | [20:58] |
nubbins` | *autobio | [20:58] |
trinque | there's an experience happening over here, and it has an extent | [20:58] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: yeah i recall the thread | [20:58] |
trinque | the extent of that experience will not expand when you duplicate me | [20:58] |
Adlai | and it's a stretch to say that professional actors are schizophrenic, although many of them do seem to fear zoltan | [20:58] |
nubbins` | there's a large chunk of the book that could be misidentified as schizo by the unqualified observer | [20:58] |
nubbins` | but it's really just runaway thoughts | [20:58] |
nubbins` | coupled with hypothetical "suppose this strawman was ME" type clauses | [20:59] |
trinque | now hell, "you" | [20:59] |
trinque | you is a broken concept for sure | [20:59] |
asciilifeform | trinque: you say this, and so will the copy | [20:59] |
trinque | asciilifeform: right, indistinguishable to you | [20:59] |
asciilifeform | and then mircea_popescu walks in with a '45 and asks which one to shoot | [20:59] |
trinque | however a copy of you would be distinguishable to you | [20:59] |
asciilifeform | which me | [20:59] |
asciilifeform | l0l | [20:59] |
trinque | doesn't matter | [20:59] |
Adlai | http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/03/15/answer-to-job/ | [20:59] |
trinque | each is distinct to itself | [20:59] |
assbot | Answer to Job | Slate Star Codex ... ( http://bit.ly/1xa3DqR ) | [20:59] |
nubbins` | "which do i shoot" "either or, but not both" | [20:59] |
trinque | asciilifeform: seems like you're thinking from an imaginary 3rd person perspective | [21:00] |
trinque | all that matters to whichever me is me, is uh... me | [21:00] |
trinque | lol | [21:00] |
asciilifeform | but unless you posit some bit of of shamanism that distinguishes the original and is somehow copy-protected, the copying -happened- | [21:00] |
trinque | talking at crossways I think | [21:00] |
trinque | one's talking about identity, the other being | [21:00] |
asciilifeform | (typically shaman says that no such thing as the copy could even be attempted, because the gods will drop a piano on your head.) | [21:00] |
* | asciilifeform does not find ^ a very interesting hypothesis | [21:01] |
nubbins` | copout | [21:01] |
Adlai | in zindell's scifi, their best tech for copying - renders the organ being copied incapable of supporting further consciousness | [21:01] |
Adlai | (functions as a plot element, not a copout) | [21:01] |
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trinque | asciilifeform: I began criticizing the idea that all of the infinite me's are to be considered as though they are the me driving the keyboard | [21:03] |
trinque | whether they are the same to you doesn't matter at all to me | [21:03] |
trinque | I will still strive to be the one not capped by the 45 | [21:03] |
trinque | :p | [21:03] |
asciilifeform | again using this word that no longer has a correct meaning in the hypothetical system | [21:03] |
asciilifeform | 'me' | [21:03] |
trinque | I disagree entirely | [21:03] |
asciilifeform | so shaman? | [21:03] |
trinque | that I am sitting here having this experience defines "me" sufficiently for me to use it | [21:04] |
trinque | if it doesn't for you, who cares? | [21:04] |
asciilifeform | i might care, when it's my turn to argue with my copy about who should be shot | [21:04] |
asciilifeform | but yet again this sentence is an abuse of word. | [21:04] |
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asciilifeform | re: teleporter: there were actually people who refused to travel on steam locomotives because the soul can't keep up and will get lost | [21:05] |
asciilifeform | or somesuch | [21:05] |
asciilifeform | for some reason you don't meet terribly many folks today who won't ride, e.g., an airplane, for this reason | [21:06] |
asciilifeform | even among the devoutly religious | [21:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 164 @ 0.0145 = 2.378 BTC [+] | [21:06] |
nubbins` | except the guys w/ the plastic bags | [21:06] |
Adlai | the meaning of 'me' which is consistent in this system is: "the thing which you perceive yourself as communicating with" | [21:06] |
asciilifeform | wai wat | [21:06] |
trinque | times in the past I have had cluster headaches | [21:07] |
trinque | caused by various head injuries over the years | [21:07] |
trinque | in the midst of that level of pain no one ever questions where he begins and where he ends | [21:07] |
trinque | stab the clone and nothing *here* happens | [21:07] |
trinque | who cares about the clone | [21:07] |
asciilifeform | trinque: you're 'dividing by zero' just by thinking about this | [21:08] |
asciilifeform | just as the rest of us do. | [21:08] |
nubbins` | http://i.imgur.com/3GHvrdn.jpg | [21:08] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbMTiV ) | [21:08] |
trinque | nubbins`: lol | [21:08] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: what is pictured here ? | [21:08] |
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asciilifeform | contagious patient ? | [21:08] |
Adlai | orthodox jew in a fullbody condom | [21:08] |
asciilifeform | l0l | [21:09] |
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asciilifeform | Adlai: what is the logic behind the condom ? | [21:09] |
Adlai | probably to prevent physical contact with female flight attendants | [21:09] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform apparently some hasidic jews feel they are not permitted to fly over cemeteries | [21:09] |
jurov | i'd fuck myself. we'd only have to resort to reading /dev/random about who goes first. | [21:09] |
nubbins` | the airport in tel aviv is surrounded by cemeteries | [21:09] |
asciilifeform | but the plastic in the fuselage is not sufficient barrier ? | [21:09] |
trinque | the bag was blessed maybe | [21:09] |
nubbins` | this man is -- no joke -- protecting himself from w/e by completely enclosing himself in a plastic bag. | [21:09] |
asciilifeform | why not bless the floor tiles ? | [21:09] |
asciilifeform | for the whole lot of passengers | [21:10] |
asciilifeform | charge extra | [21:10] |
Adlai | there's a sub-race (seriously, they consider themselves a separate tribe-within-the-tribe) who are not allowed to / don't enter cemeteries | [21:10] |
asciilifeform | while alive, presumably ? | [21:10] |
asciilifeform | who, cohanim ? | [21:10] |
nubbins` | yes | [21:10] |
Adlai | yes. in the idf, when we had guided tours of mt hertzl (big military cemetary), they always asked before entering if there were any of them present | [21:10] |
Adlai | lest one accidentally trespass | [21:10] |
nubbins` | "Kohenim are prohibited from coming into contact with dead bodies, and many rabbis have taken the strict opinion that a Kohen may not ride in a plane if he knows ahead of time that it will fly directly over a Jewish cemetery." | [21:10] |
asciilifeform | is it considered a score against the cemetary, or the kohen ? | [21:11] |
trinque | ultimate trolls, whoever thinks up these rules | [21:11] |
* | Adlai actually thought the officer was kidding, the first time this happened | [21:11] |
nubbins` | "The man wrapped in plastic, whose photograph first appeared on the Redditor site and later on the Gothamist site, apparently did not want to take any chances. By covering himself in plastic, he established a separation between him and impurities." | [21:11] |
bitstein | Yea, I remember when I was on my birthright trip, my friend stayed behind when we visited Mt Hertzl. | [21:11] |
* | nubbins` rolls eyes | [21:11] |
* | trinque heads home, enjoyed the philosophical bullshit session | [21:11] |
Adlai | in the case of the army - it would be a terrible failure for the officer to let such a thing happen! | [21:11] |
nubbins` | examine the utter failure of logic by this man | [21:12] |
nubbins` | srsly, a fucking /plastic bag/. | [21:12] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: i think they grade themselves 'for effort.' consider the rope | [21:12] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform precisely this | [21:12] |
nubbins` | RCs are no different | [21:12] |
asciilifeform | 'eruv' (Adlai: correct transliteration if off) | [21:12] |
jurov | i'd ask them, what if there's a cemetery below him in australia? | [21:13] |
* | Adlai only has distant secondhand knowledge of orthodox theology | [21:13] |
asciilifeform | jurov: follow the logic. they don't care if there is a sea burial going on underneath, or a shipwreck with skeletons | [21:13] |
asciilifeform | because 'graded for effort' | [21:13] |
asciilifeform | and there isn't really a good effort they could make to demonstrate a desire to avoid those | [21:13] |
jurov | dunno if i could resist to troll them with a bone | [21:14] |
nubbins` | gl explaining that to security | [21:14] |
asciilifeform | !s pig burial | [21:14] |
Adlai | what i do know is that one guy took cold showers on the sabbath, because if he opened the hot water tap, it might trigger the thermostat in the base's boiler | [21:14] |
assbot | 3 results for 'pig burial' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pig+burial | [21:14] |
Adlai | emphasis on "might", didn't help to point out that the boiler basically works 24/7 and still doesn't keep up | [21:15] |
nubbins` | which ender's game book was it where they created a race of smart people genetically predisposed to OCD? | [21:16] |
Adlai | either xenocide or children of the mind | [21:16] |
jurov | good that unlike jooz, we have danielpbarron that knows exactly what the letters say | [21:16] |
nubbins` | yeah. reminds me of that in some ways | [21:16] |
Adlai | (which were supposed to be one book, but eventually didn't 'fit in head') | [21:16] |
nubbins` | i got through about 7 of those books before giving up | [21:17] |
* | Adlai just read the first 4. regrets seeing the movie. | [21:17] |
nubbins` | just earth geopolitics after a while | [21:17] |
Adlai | you know, the ones that actually have a plot | [21:17] |
danielpbarron | http://www.atruechurch.info/sabbath.html Those who totally stop every work of their own righteousness (Psalm 16:2; Romans 4:5, "does not work"), and believe on Him who justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5), these are those who fulfill the law (Romans 8:4) and keep a perpetual Sabbath (Hebrews 4:3-4, 9-10). | [21:17] |
assbot | A True Church - The Sabbath ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbPrxv ) | [21:17] |
nubbins` | ender's shadow is nb if you haven't read it | [21:17] |
nubbins` | ender's game from bean's pov | [21:17] |
Adlai | right. ender's game's plot, with different words. it doesn't have its own plot, and i need a few decades before i can read this author again, after children of the mind | [21:18] |
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nubbins` | that's sorta the last one i enjoyed | [21:20] |
Adlai | children, or shadow? | [21:20] |
nubbins` | children of mind | [21:20] |
* | Adlai enjoyed it too, but it was just too long | [21:21] |
nubbins` | speaker for the dead and xenocide were the height | [21:21] |
Adlai | read it back when i had 4-5 hours of daily reading time in middle school | [21:21] |
nubbins` | i read an enormous amount of fiction in uni | [21:22] |
nubbins` | 1000 pages a week at times | [21:22] |
Adlai | extracurricular? | [21:22] |
nubbins` | for lels, yeah | [21:22] |
nubbins` | not much required reading for a cs/math joint major | [21:22] |
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nubbins` | did 1 english course (2 req'd for b.sc., did AP english in hs) | [21:23] |
nubbins` | 24yo nubs was not impressed w/ having to take 1000-level english course with 18y/o's | [21:23] |
nubbins` | skipped 4 consecutive weeks of classes mid-semester, came out w/ an 88 and a letter from the faculty pleading me to change majors | [21:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00028926 = 1.4174 BTC [-] | [21:30] |
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asciilifeform | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RlLqY7OJqUAJ:www.lunsfordnet.com/get/pdf/2595+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us | [21:36] |
assbot | Transition Dreams by Greg Egan "We can't tell you what your own transition dreams will be. The only thing that's certain is ... ( http://bit.ly/1HbTOsz ) | [21:36] |
asciilifeform | ^ re: brain copies | [21:36] |
asciilifeform | w4r3z cache | [21:37] |
trinque | excellent story | [21:37] |
trinque | I should read more Egan | [21:37] |
trinque | luminous is sitting a few feet away | [21:38] |
Adlai | nubbins`: 'english' = literature | composition ? | [21:40] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: you may appreciate this thought. So I like XC running, so I just like to run to work out. At some point it's like your body is heating up like a GPU trying to run a video game (hence sweat). So I've always thought of exercising as our bodies running "tough programs". lol | [21:40] |
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nubbins` | Adlai a mix of both | [21:52] |
nubbins` | thestringpuller have you ever thought of eating a large quantity of muscle meat as running a tough program? 8) | [21:53] |
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thestringpuller | ^- da pun is strong with you today | [21:54] |
jurov | yes, on such meat branch prediction and caching fail all the time | [21:56] |
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nubbins` | lel | [22:02] |
nubbins` | core dump | [22:03] |
thestringpuller | on eulora? | [22:03] |
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nubbins` | more meat program puns | [22:04] |
nubbins` | srs tho, takes it outta ya | [22:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.0002953 = 10.5127 BTC [+] | [22:21] |
mircea_popescu | !up dEBRUYNE | [22:22] |
-assbot- | You voiced dEBRUYNE for 30 minutes. | [22:22] |
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mircea_popescu | http://baexpats.org/topic/33079-wild-cat-in-back-yard/ << misfortunate cat meets insane gringo | [22:23] |
assbot | Wild Cat In Back Yard - Expat Life - Buenos Aires Expats Group ... ( http://bit.ly/18OtOYN ) | [22:23] |
asciilifeform | how even found this. | [22:25] |
mircea_popescu | i > google! | [22:26] |
* | asciilifeform if had to choose who to render for fat, the animal or the 'man' from the link, would choose the latter without hesitation | [22:27] |
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mircea_popescu | note that it's not even a wild cat. | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | which would have hopefully killed him. | [22:29] |
asciilifeform | aha. we have idiots like this here | [22:29] |
asciilifeform | who brutally murder any tame animal unfortunate enough to be let out for a walk | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | "gee, i wonder why the poor cat isn't scaling the wall after being sprayer with permethrin and not being fed for a week" | [22:30] |
mircea_popescu | "could a rope and an open can of tuna solve this problem ? naaah, best call the plumber!" | [22:31] |
asciilifeform | i would greatly enjoy putting the author of the post in the very similar situation. | [22:34] |
asciilifeform | dosage adjusted as necessary. | [22:34] |
asciilifeform | and i'm not even a zoophiliac. | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | me either | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | but i guess it's because we're sociopaths, aka, idiot-intolerant. | [22:36] |
asciilifeform | but some 'people' really -are- the 'planetary cancer'' imagined by enviro-whiners. as in, the actual core of truth behind the myth. | [22:36] |
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asciilifeform | as in, there can be very few things more noble than killing them, slowly, and with cameras rolling for posterity. | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | exactly. my objection isn't particularly that the cat got hurt as much as it is the guy didn't. | [22:36] |
asciilifeform | the beasts fight one another even without idiot man (i know this well enough from watching the wild cats in own yard) | [22:37] |
asciilifeform | though i've yet to find a carcass | [22:37] |
asciilifeform | presumably they keel over somewhere else, in a designated place | [22:37] |
danielpbarron | where does he move from that doesn't have cats? how did he figure out how to move?? | [22:37] |
asciilifeform | danielpbarron: in some parts of usa suburbia, animals found wandering outdoors are mercilessly caught and soap van | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | actually i used to know, many years ago, an old, 2/3 tailless , earless, blind tomcat. | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | i guess he was an anarchist cat. | [22:39] |
asciilifeform | how does beast with these handicaps stay afloat ? | [22:39] |
asciilifeform | was fed ? | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | well i fed it ocasionally. | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | i imagine plenty of people liked it. | [22:39] |
mircea_popescu | actually hanbot used to feed chicken livers to this blind dog that had a helper tripod dog (one limb cut off, prolly in tram accident). | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | they made quite the team. | [22:40] |
danielpbarron | i got bit by a feral cat and freaked out less than this guy; didn't go to doctor even | [22:40] |
asciilifeform | we have a tailless one here, and a very ancient skeletal one, both fed | [22:40] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, animals do have all sorts of arrangements. | [22:41] |
mircea_popescu | at least in principle. creatures of habit. | [22:41] |
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* | asciilifeform is experiencing almost a kind of synaesthesia. that post -stinks-, just about literally, of american degeneracy. smells kinda like 'mcdonalds' | [22:43] |
nubbins` | the guy sprayed a can of raid in a cat's face? | [22:44] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: cholinesterase inhibitors work on everybody. just different potencies. | [22:44] |
nubbins` | is relieving him of his skin before he gets sent to the salt mines an option? | [22:44] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: in the lab i worked at, permethrin was used as a substitute for sarin (the building was not rated for the latter, needs airlocks, etc) | [22:45] |
asciilifeform | or not permethrin | [22:45] |
asciilifeform | what was it | [22:45] |
mircea_popescu | permethrin is this contact insecticide that is well tolerated by mammals, | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | except notably for cats. | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | i was just filling in the gaps, dunno wtf he actually used, | [22:47] |
* | asciilifeform forgot precisely what. but leafing through old crap reveals that permethrin is not anticholinergic. so couldn't have been it | [22:47] |
mircea_popescu | but in context this'd be a reasonable expectation. | [22:47] |
asciilifeform | at any rate, i enjoy the picture that one day the correct gas may be found for the degenerate. | [22:48] |
nubbins` | actually yeah permethrin+cats, i remember that one | [22:50] |
asciilifeform | a specifically 'civilized' kind of degeneracy on exhibit here | [22:50] |
nubbins` | permethrin woulda been great for my hammock when i went to colombia ;/ | [22:50] |
nubbins` | nod | [22:50] |
nubbins` | "a strange happened so i badded it" | [22:50] |
asciilifeform | tries to exercise a delusion of control over his environment via the only means he knows how - by smearing his surroundings, and if you let him - entire planets - with his shit | [22:51] |
asciilifeform | and having the temerity to whine if a white spot remains | [22:51] |
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mircea_popescu | [22:56] | |
mircea_popescu | people go all berserk about milgram experiment. | [22:56] |
mircea_popescu | bs. the problem there isn't anything to do with "people". dependent cattle behave outrageously if taken outside of their pens. | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | that's the long and the short of it. has nothing to do with people. | [22:57] |
asciilifeform | ^ | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | the word for this can be "civilised", but it just as well be "fucking stupid". | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | "o look, the usual crutches i use to hide my idiocy don't work, now it's nude on display". | [22:57] |
mircea_popescu | "well... that'd be because you're an idiot." | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | civilized. | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | is the correct word. | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | we don't agree. slavegirls are civilised. | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | these schmucks are just brainwashed. | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | then possibly needs word | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | there IS a difference. | [22:58] |
asciilifeform | but it goes as closely with civilization as lead poisoning. | [22:58] |
mircea_popescu | so what if it does. tb goes with pallor, we don't call one the other. | [22:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.0002943 = 7.1809 BTC [-] | [22:59] |
asciilifeform | to rephrase - i'm not certain that anyone knows how to 'civilization' without producing more of this material than anyone knows how to pour into concrete and bury | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | i am quite certain at least someone does. | [22:59] |
mircea_popescu | it starts with "you will be beaten daily until you know how this works" | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | as opposed to "this is ~how we use this~." | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | one's civilisational, the other's brainwashing. | [23:00] |
asciilifeform | incidentally, notice how english speakers use word 'training' outside of the context of spinal reflex (sport) | [23:01] |
asciilifeform | it refers to precisely 'this is how we use' | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | yup. | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | directly anticultural, and through that mediation, civilisation-destroying. | [23:01] |
mircea_popescu | [23:03] | |
mircea_popescu | or the one before that. or i suppose most of his links. | [23:04] |
scoopbot | New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-history/ | [23:05] |
asciilifeform | the head of cattle, taught by d3m0cr4cy111!!111!1 that he ought to have some kind of control over his stall, goes apeshit outside. | [23:06] |
asciilifeform | because now whole universe 'is' his stall | [23:07] |
asciilifeform | but this is a trivial observation. | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | so it is. | [23:07] |
asciilifeform | but the less trivial one is that there no such thing as ownerless cattle | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | this is not directl yobvious. | [23:07] |
asciilifeform | even an ox wandering loose in mumbai (the locals call'em 'brakes inspectors' on the road) - has owner | [23:07] |
asciilifeform | (the crown, who will go after me if i show up with a rifle and a kebeb grill ready to go) | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | that's your owner, not the ox's. | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | you will not be on trial for ox damaging, but for human misbehaving. | [23:08] |
asciilifeform | possibly some mix (i can think of a situation where it is precisely about ox damage) | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | similarly in the recently invented "sex tourism" trials, you're not on trial for there bering a fgucked 12yo in thailand, but for there being a usian citizen that had some fun. | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform if it were about ox damage it'd be a fine. | [23:09] |
asciilifeform | well there, certainly. but i'd argue that usg implicitly takes ownership of the wild things here | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | only as a result of having taken ownserhip of teh citizenry. | [23:10] |
asciilifeform | in that if obamitler wished, he could hunt the last panda, or fuck 12yo thai | [23:10] |
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mircea_popescu | of course. because he's not a citizen. | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | how did that inept quote go, "citizens ask for permission." | [23:10] |
asciilifeform | -subjects- | [23:10] |
asciilifeform | it went 'subjects as for permission, citizens something-or-other | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | meanwhile somewhere else, http://40.media.tumblr.com/afd55aa5ad081e1c989b2a34a160cfeb/tumblr_mrn8l7cs7t1rmm9buo1_1280.jpg | [23:10] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOpnKN ) | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform nah, believe it or not it didn't. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2015#1055604 | [23:11] |
assbot | Logged on 17-03-2015 19:25:54; mircea_popescu: "Citizens ask for permission, expats ask for forgiveness" << maybe he should ask for a nailgun. | [23:11] |
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asciilifeform | l0l! | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` hey, what;d you cost to make qntra business cards for a dozen ppl and ship em ? | [23:12] |
mircea_popescu | same design, name/surname, nick, gpg key on one side, qntra this that on the other ? | [23:12] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060974 << guy does not actually understand anything. | [23:13] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 22:48:21; trinque: you cannot interact with you | [23:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61400 @ 0.00028516 = 17.5088 BTC [-] {2} | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | he, superficially, has an autodidact's understanding of the basics. that means they are subtly broken. he then proceeds from there, and errors compound. | [23:14] |
mircea_popescu | soon enough he's holding a nonsense. | [23:14] |
mircea_popescu | kinda why people go to school : so they can be in the company of their betters (something us kids have serious mental issues with) where they can create this sort of braindamage, be bullied for it, fix it, and so end up sane. | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060984 << penis better. especially if itends up larger. | [23:16] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 22:51:23; jurov: someone go grow a finger from yudkowski's dna and tell him you have the rest of his clone in cellar | [23:16] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu say 600 bezzlars for a dozen people to get 250 cards each, design + shipping at actual cost | [23:18] |
nubbins` | (hand-printed bizniss cards for $50 per head, you say?!) | [23:18] |
nubbins` | contrast the economy of scale here to alf's $200 book ;( | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | i can go for that as a qntra perk. you gonna be willing to keep the design and make more of the same if these folks run out / for new folks ? | [23:21] |
nubbins` | we index all our graphics & films, totally | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | cool. so submit a nice design. | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | im thinking cazalla bingoboingo thestringpuller danielpbarron right off the bat, cazalla lemme know who else should go in the magic dozen. | [23:22] |
nubbins` | any of the above who have particular ideas about how they want their cards to NOT look, best speak up | [23:22] |
danielpbarron | i like simple / white background black text sorta thing | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` : name/surname ; nick ; gpg/gpg on one face, dunno exactly what should be for qntra on the other. | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | i guess it's time to come up with a byline for it hm. | [23:24] |
nubbins` | bunny rabbit | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | you think ? pics usually make cards look cheap | [23:24] |
danielpbarron | ^ ++ | [23:24] |
nubbins` | lel, i kid | [23:24] |
danielpbarron | i literally have a crate of business cards saved up | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | later tell bingoboingo here is your very helpful trigger : ^ | [23:25] |
danielpbarron | i collect the things | [23:25] |
* | mircea_popescu pictures danielpbarron doing that thing with the cards in american psycho | [23:25] |
nubbins` | i actually need to print more for myself | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell bingoboingo here is your very helpful trigger : ^ | [23:26] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [23:26] |
danielpbarron | i don't think i've seen that movie | [23:26] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu i never understood the concept of a "paper erection" until i got into this biz, ya know | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | christian slater is almost hot. | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | but the film could definitely have done with a lot more and a lot better nudity. | [23:26] |
nubbins` | now it's all flared nostrils & running fingertips over things | [23:26] |
danielpbarron | oh yeah, not some weird non-standard shape / fold-out w/e | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | a showgirls style casual nudity meets american psycho casual psychopathology would rock. | [23:27] |
nubbins` | fold-outs 0/10 would not do | [23:27] |
danielpbarron | good. | [23:27] |
nubbins` | maybe black paper | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` noteven for ronald mc donald / gavin mcsatoshi / etc ? | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | ah, my gold on black cards look awesome. | [23:27] |
nubbins` | puzzle or word search on the back maybe | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | course, not so easy to pull it off, need just the right kinda asshole. | [23:27] |
nubbins` | we did some gold on black recently | [23:27] |
nubbins` | not sure if i have pics handy, but i know there's a couple cards downstairs | [23:28] |
nubbins` | actually, bird book has gold on black as well | [23:28] |
nubbins` | !s plough | [23:28] |
assbot | 7 results for 'plough' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=plough | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | hired another lawyer the other day, left him my card, then when we met socially later he was like... well the office tried to figure out wtf. first we thought those must be like mail codes of your country. but then that didn't make sense. so susie said you must be in porn. | [23:28] |
nubbins` | http://i.imgur.com/pxZ4arA.jpg | [23:29] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOuR8e ) | [23:29] |
nubbins` | not quite the best shot to show it off, but yknow | [23:29] |
nubbins` | looks ballin | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` that gold looks more like bronze | [23:29] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: not a gpg-enabled lawyer, i take it | [23:29] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10650 @ 0.0002943 = 3.1343 BTC [+] | [23:29] |
nubbins` | that's actually a pure gold base w/ some orange pigment added | [23:29] |
nubbins` | good eye on ya 8) | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | o gawd, looking for stuff I r find... http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/extradited-by-my-rubber-ducklings.html | [23:30] |
assbot | Print Page - MPEx owner in danger of being extradited to US to face charges ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOv8bb ) | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform not at that time. | [23:30] |
asciilifeform | who was it who had the steel businesscards. | [23:33] |
nubbins` | gross | [23:33] |
nubbins` | why not glitter? | [23:34] |
asciilifeform | nono | [23:34] |
nubbins` | or nettles | [23:34] |
asciilifeform | with actual cutouts. massive co2 laser. | [23:34] |
nubbins` | what am i gonna do with a steel business card | [23:34] |
asciilifeform | http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ryw4r_eG--/18s0bpicjpxufjpg.jpg | [23:34] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOwkvg ) | [23:35] |
asciilifeform | ^ this possibly | [23:35] |
nubbins` | HA | [23:35] |
nubbins` | ok, fair enough | [23:36] |
nubbins` | s.nsa cards w/ cardano pcb traces silkscreened in copper ink | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | you know, there's this legend that actually happened of romanian mobster that got shot coming out of a restaurant | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | except he was shotwith a .38 and he was carring money. so it didn't go through. | [23:36] |
nubbins` | 50% transparent mask layer on top | [23:36] |
asciilifeform | nubbins`: i drew a pcb card for mircea_popescu half-seriously | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | so... have a buncha steel business cards, make your own armor | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | (it's linked in a comment on his site iirc) | [23:37] |
nubbins` | it'd work | [23:37] |
asciilifeform | !s ppsh | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | it did work. bullet didn't even make it through the whole ~200 leaves. | [23:37] |
assbot | 3 results for 'ppsh' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ppsh | [23:37] |
mircea_popescu | polymer banknotes. | [23:37] |
nubbins` | asciilifeform the only material difference between one and the other is the substrate | [23:38] |
* | asciilifeform trying to find ancient thread re: drunken red army folks having a duel with submachineguns and blocked by greatcoats | [23:38] |
* | asciilifeform then remembered that the legend featured american 'thompson' brought on lend-lease | [23:38] |
asciilifeform | http://www.quicksprout.com/images/businesscards/officedesk.jpg | [23:40] |
assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOxuXC ) | [23:40] |
asciilifeform | or simply picture a card with btc privkey | [23:41] |
asciilifeform | (funded just a bit) | [23:41] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform if i remember correctly, usg is on record saying they lack the ability to input a printed gpg privkey. | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | was in some court case or other during the great assault on private email providers of 2012-2013 | [23:42] |
asciilifeform | iirc it was 'not sop therefore chew for us and feed into mouth or else' | [23:42] |
asciilifeform | lavabit case | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | a yes. | [23:42] |
mircea_popescu | that had me for a chuckle, you know ? "too lazy to type it in, it's like characters and shit" | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | then on the other line alf was going nuts about kbd emanations good for 20 meters even! | [23:43] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1060994 << this is more of an infantilism than a defect. | [23:44] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 22:56:06; trinque: there's a mental defect where one considers himself to be an idea | [23:44] |
asciilifeform | let's have gedankenexperiment (is trinque still awake ?) | [23:45] |
nubbins` | was he ever :0 | [23:46] |
asciilifeform | suppose a man were disassembled into components, sorted by atomic mass. then, next day, reassembled. answer - a) this cannot be done for Reasons b) he died and was replaced with soul-less copy c) he simply got paused and then resumed, will wonder where the day went but nothing else d) none of the above ? | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | hey, did you know trauma is "dreaming" in german ? | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | and kunts = art ? | [23:46] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform allow me to answer that! | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | One more dies one more lives, one baby cries One mother grieves... | [23:47] |
asciilifeform | this is an ancient mega-war, yes, i know. | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | and now with music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI60crM-piE | [23:47] |
assbot | Iron Maiden - Seventh Son of a Seventh Son Lyrics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOzC1I ) | [23:48] |
mircea_popescu | possibly the best song of all time. | [23:48] |
mircea_popescu | DEFINITELY a better approach to the entire eliezer/potter bs than either of the proponents. | [23:50] |
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mircea_popescu | plus it only takes ten minutes or so. | [23:50] |
nubbins` | kunts | [23:52] |
nubbins` | kunst! | [23:52] |
asciilifeform | kuntskammer | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` don't opress my convenient dyslexia! | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | (there's a widely known, at least in europe, welt der kunst, world of art. /me had classmates going for a while that it simply means "wealth of cunts") | [23:53] |
nubbins` | ;;google mommy and me are animals | [23:53] |
gribble | Jonathan Meese & his mother: Mommy and me are animals - YouTube: |
[23:53] |
nubbins` | ^ speaking of kunst | [23:53] |
nubbins` | if you wanna see some bizarre | [23:54] |
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mircea_popescu | nubbins` i recall discussing that guy last year. | [23:55] |
nubbins` | nod | [23:55] |
nubbins` | i actually ran into this guy in berlin last summer, hey? | [23:56] |
nubbins` | (and his mother) | [23:56] |
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mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061025 << i suspect the importance of that is strictly local. ie, some club of idiots got owned by this concept specially constructed for their particular disabilities. | [23:56] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 23:06:34; nubbins`: and much realer than rololol's basilisk | [23:56] |
decimation | asciilifeform: re: asciilifeform: presumably they keel over somewhere else, in a designated place < cats are well known for anticipating their deaths and crawling up some inaccessible hole beforehand to die | [23:57] |
asciilifeform | incidentally, the 'basilisk' spoken of is not the usual mythological one, | [23:57] |
decimation | probably some kind of protection instinct | [23:57] |
asciilifeform | but the one featured in the short story 'blit' | [23:57] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` you know what i'd like to see, a reality show of this guy and athene the best paladin in the world (with his mother) | [23:57] |
mircea_popescu | french vs german! | [23:57] |
decimation | Ich moechte gern ein Eis bitte | [23:57] |
asciilifeform | decimation: i always mistrusted this explanation. beasts do not need to sense their deaths to turn up expired in some inaccessible place. | [23:57] |
nubbins` | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLYrFR9RT_U | [23:58] |
assbot | Best Paladin of The World pwning nubs on My Heart Will Go On from Celine Dion (ATHENE #1) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOCdsp ) | [23:58] |
nubbins` | o.O | [23:58] |
mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2015#1061032 << for my peace of mind, what do you think qt is ? | [23:58] |
assbot | Logged on 20-03-2015 23:07:43; nubbins`: unless you're bringing quantum tunneling into it 8) | [23:58] |
asciilifeform | they could easily go there every day, and simply fail to come out | [23:58] |
* | decimation doesn't own cats, but has heard several anecdotes | [23:58] |
nubbins` | mircea_popescu just checking to see if anyone was paying attention 8) | [23:58] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` http://trilema.com/2012/cel-mai-bun-paladin-din-the-world/ | [23:59] |
assbot | Cel mai bun paladin din the world. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FOCvj4 ) | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | nubbins` but nevertheless... | [23:59] |
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