Forum logs for 20 Jul 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu | inb4 benkay exiled to canuckistan. | [00:02] |
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mircea_popescu | becomes 2nd ovid. | [00:02] |
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Namworld | Well you can visit me while you're stuck in canuckistan. | [00:06] |
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benkay | ;;curl mpex.co | [00:08] |
gribble | Error: "curl" is not a valid command. | [00:08] |
benkay | gtfo | [00:08] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 302 @ 0.00286538 = 0.8653 BTC [+] {2} | [00:08] |
FabianB | ;;status | [00:09] |
FabianB | $status | [00:09] |
empyex | FabianB: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies |
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mircea_popescu | hopefully that'll cut donw on the join/part spam. | [00:11] |
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fluffypony | yay | [00:15] |
Namworld | I have those turned off in my client since last year. I don't see those anymore. Was quite annoying and barely helpful. | [00:16] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld yeah but take the recent camho invasion for instance. | [00:17] |
mircea_popescu | we'd have never known. | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | good practice to voice/help new people anyway. | [00:18] |
mircea_popescu | for anyone looking to get a taste of obscure bug parade : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=659512 | [00:19] |
assbot | Bug 659512 – no chance to enter a password during key generation in command-line mode | [00:19] |
mircea_popescu | for a coupla hours there it looked like the whole damned charade'll have to be taken down and redone. | [00:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.002865 = 0.8595 BTC [-] | [00:37] |
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BingoBoingo | %t | [00:59] |
atcbot | [X-BT] Bid: 222 Ask: 242 Last Price: 223 24h-Vol: 18k High: 223 Low: 222 VWAP: 222 | [00:59] |
BingoBoingo | %ob | [00:59] |
atcbot | 722@279 30k@278 18k@242 | 22k@222 57k@211 183k@210 | [00:59] |
BingoBoingo | %d | [00:59] |
atcbot | [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 687182.56 in 2007 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: 0.00 | [00:59] |
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nubbins` | hi | [01:04] |
BingoBoingo | ;;laser | [01:04] |
gribble | Error: "laser" is not a valid command. | [01:04] |
nubbins` | ;;lasers | [01:04] |
gribble | ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!* | [01:04] |
nubbins` | plural | [01:04] |
nubbins` | :D | [01:04] |
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nubbins` | any of you know who klaus nomi is? | [01:15] |
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mircea_popescu | meh | [01:47] |
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kakobrekla | yeah | [01:52] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/07/clean-water/ | [02:01] |
assbot | Archaeologist : Ancient Group Claimed Drinking Clean Water Caused Diarrhea | Medical Satire - GomerBlog | [02:01] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 207 @ 0.0028742 = 0.595 BTC [+] | [02:02] |
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mircea_popescu | "As an example, the following string of numbers is anything but random: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 However, if this is run through a MD5 or SHA whitener, the result would | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | *look* random, even though the source material is anything but random." | [02:47] |
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mircea_popescu | in which we find Theodore Y. Ts'o doesn't comprehend what random means. | [02:47] |
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mircea_popescu | benkay yeah. | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | hanbot: | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | danke. so preet bharara finally lost a case http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/business/Rengan-Rajaratnam-case-shows-limits-of-insider-trading-laws.html << fucking douches. no, it shows the limits of the fucking corrupt us government. | [06:42] |
assbot | Log In - The New York Times | [06:42] |
mircea_popescu | this "we got the courts rigged so you gotta say you did what we say you did and then go to siberia" bs only goes as far as it goes. | [06:43] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: mpex modem << as i recall, reliability of net connection is not an issue at mpex << so far that's the part that works best. | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | hanbot:well exactly. something bound by accidental inhalation on the lower end and hernias on the higher << i agree. half meter cube, ideal robot. | [06:45] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Theodore Y. Ts'o doesn't comprehend what random means << 'random' is simply a non-scientific qualifier. like 'big'. << looking forward to reading medicine treatises in similar terms. something tells me teh colonies will soon deliver. | [06:46] |
decimation | why would usg bother with the minor part of the little brother anyway | [06:48] |
artifexd | []bot appears to be down. I'm out of the country. Can't fix it until I get back next week. Sorry folks. | [06:50] |
mircea_popescu | artifexd aite | [06:53] |
mircea_popescu | decimation hm ? | [06:53] |
decimation | the rengan rajaratnam dude | [06:55] |
decimation | "It seems unlikely that he?d have been hired at Galleon were he not Raj Rajaratnam?s brother. Even then, his older brother demoted him several times and he made less money there than some secretaries." | [06:55] |
dub | !isitdown mpex.co | [06:55] |
mircea_popescu | it's down. | [06:56] |
mircea_popescu | "That seems to have been the end of the courtship. (Mr. Palecek died from an infection in 2010.)" << the rate at which these people die of preventable causes is ridiculous. seriously, work for supposedly the masters of the country, best paid job, corridors of power, die of "an infection" ? | [06:57] |
decimation | yeah that was amusing too | [06:58] |
decimation | I guess they ran out of nailguns | [06:58] |
benkay | [06:59] | |
decimation | mircea this insider trading thing is relevant to your post I linked above. information doesn't want to be free, but who gets to decide if it is secret? | [07:00] |
Vexual | those that have it | [07:01] |
mircea_popescu | that problem is a lot worse than anyone wants to admit. | [07:01] |
benkay | mircea_popescu: well keep la serenissima posted | [07:01] |
mircea_popescu | there's simply no logical way to reconcile the naive want for "fairness" with the practicality of trade. | [07:01] |
mircea_popescu | "insider trading" is what trading is. irrespective of what people who don't trade wish to think trading is. | [07:02] |
mircea_popescu | much like you know, trying to prosecute "buggery" because people who don't have sex don't want to think of sex in terms of "all holes, dp and your girlfriend". as if. | [07:02] |
decimation | yeah what is trading without "insider" knowledge? trades based on an account's report and a brochure? | [07:03] |
decimation | I can't imagine a way to be more ignorant about a business and its prospects | [07:03] |
mircea_popescu | benkay so far fighting with the obscurity of free and open source software, which is this endless bundle fifty million lines long that nobody ever read, in spite of you know, how "open source" etc. | [07:04] |
mircea_popescu | decimation now granted, what the indians are doing in the us finance (btw, have you noticed how few 3rd generation americans are involved in anything worth the mention ?) is nothing short of scandalous | [07:04] |
mircea_popescu | however, the solution is emphatically NOT to try and prosecute them, because this just drives the specific behaviours enshrined in indian culture that cause the mess. | [07:05] |
mircea_popescu | the solution is to open the whole thing, let the market drive it down to zero, then you won't care someone made fifty bucks or w/e. | [07:05] |
decimation | and note that Mr. Bharara is also one of them... | [07:05] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. it's that whole "italian mobster turned policeman to clean up ny" story all over again | [07:06] |
mircea_popescu | (which was the same cca 1890, except then it was irish criminal etc) | [07:06] |
decimation | in my undergrad it was assumed knowledge that the indians got together to "strategize" on exam-taking | [07:06] |
decimation | in India, it would probably be expected for a Brahmin C-suite guy to tell a fellow Brahmin trader what is going on | [07:07] |
benkay | mircea_popescu: that nobody ever read // it's p lulzy people still buy that | [07:07] |
mircea_popescu | what, you mean ? | [07:07] |
benkay | see: openssl | [07:08] |
benkay | jaspersoft | [07:09] |
benkay | puppet | [07:09] |
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benkay | mircea_popescu: die of "an infection" ? // i prefer the interpretation where the us is always on the verge of horrific viral outbreaks due to decades of antibacterial abuse | [07:12] |
decimation | 'don't talk politics around the table (so we can just eat)' -> 'don't question the code(so we can just use it)' | [07:12] |
mike_c | any audiophiles around here? my headphones of 15 years finally bit the dust. | [07:14] |
decimation | benkay I think you mean bacterial outbreaks. They are already happening: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/superbug-stalked-nih-hospital-last-year-killing-six/2012/08/22/5be18b1a-ec66-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_story.html | [07:14] |
assbot | Superbug stalked NIH hospital last year, killing six - The Washington Post | [07:14] |
Vexual | micey: buy speakers | [07:15] |
mike_c | not so good for the office. | [07:15] |
Vexual | fuck the offic | [07:15] |
mike_c | or for sleeping babies. | [07:15] |
decimation | my sennheiser HD280's studio monitors work very well | [07:15] |
Vexual | er.. what decimation said | [07:15] |
mike_c | although i agree with the office. my office neighbors annoy me often enough. | [07:16] |
decimation | do you want to attenuate the surrounding noise? | [07:16] |
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mike_c | nah | [07:16] |
mike_c | i mean, i don't need cancelling. i don't want to hear surrounding noise. | [07:16] |
decimation | I find earbuds and the like extremely uncomfroatble, you aren't going to get better quality than bigass headphones | [07:17] |
decimation | hanbot did you get them custom fit | [07:17] |
mike_c | are those buds? i'm looking more for over-ear. | [07:18] |
decimation | yeah those are earbuds that block sound | [07:18] |
decimation | better than any headphone will | [07:18] |
decimation | I'm a sennheiser fanboi, but I'm sure there are other quality headphones out there. examine the spec sheet | [07:19] |
cazalla | i love my m50s | [07:19] |
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mike_c | cazalla: ath m50? | [07:19] |
cazalla | m50s | [07:19] |
cazalla | m50 has coiled cable which i don't like, m50s does not | [07:20] |
mike_c | that just personal preference? my dead ones had coiled and i kinda did like that. | [07:20] |
cazalla | yeah, makes no difference to audio afaik | [07:21] |
mircea_popescu | hanbot no, not as such. the traditional way is for the naive to train their submission, as practiced in say india. | [07:21] |
mike_c | cool. thanks for the suggestions. | [07:21] |
mircea_popescu | [07:21] | |
mircea_popescu | cause fuck you if you have uncommon needs, right ? | [07:22] |
mircea_popescu | the whole fucking point of code is to make the world more like salem cca 1700 now ;/ | [07:22] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c mice don't actually attack babies. you're thinking rats. | [07:22] |
mike_c | lol, what? | [07:23] |
mircea_popescu | o nm, earphones lol. i misread. | [07:23] |
mircea_popescu | Vexual got me i swear! | [07:23] |
Vexual | it's mouses | [07:23] |
mike_c | now rats to attack office neighbors.. that would be an idea. | [07:24] |
mircea_popescu | specially-constructed oubliettes with a terminal in the lid and a hole for shit in the bottom. <<< ahaha ok. | [07:24] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c armored battlerats! with a terminal upside the head! | [07:24] |
dub | my dj1200 are not that comfortable for long but they are hard to kill | [07:24] |
dub | long periods | [07:25] |
mike_c | definitely need comfort for hours. | [07:25] |
Vexual | are those insertable or over ear dub? | [07:25] |
dub | http://turntablelab.com/products/technics-rp-dj1200-headphones-black-deadstock | [07:26] |
assbot | Technics: RP-DJ1200 Headphones - Black (Deadstock) — TurntableLab.com | [07:26] |
mike_c | fucking amazon needs to take btc already. i bought some fiverr shit the other day with btc and it was so smooth. kind of changed my opinion on using btc for random purchases. | [07:26] |
dub | good for lugging around | [07:26] |
decimation | man the spec sheets for headphones suck | [07:27] |
dub | the ear pad rubber is perishing on mine which is quite astounding considering how briefly every other set I've owned has survive | [07:28] |
dub | d | [07:28] |
mike_c | my sony mdr's ear pad rubber lasted about 5 years on average | [07:28] |
mircea_popescu | apparently i'm getting a fucking fever. | [07:28] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c they dun wanna end up with a bunch of terrorist bux | [07:29] |
Vexual | kill it with half a bottle of red and go to sleep | [07:29] |
decimation | or insider bux | [07:29] |
mike_c | terrorist bux are as green as everybody elses. | [07:29] |
mike_c | wait, is that a saying in other countries? your money probably isn't green. | [07:30] |
dub | its usually a mix | [07:30] |
Vexual | 100's are | [07:30] |
dub | murican folding is fucking retarded in that aspect | [07:30] |
dub | every note looks the same | [07:31] |
decimation | well and worthless $1 are still bills | [07:31] |
mike_c | i can't stand bills of different size. such a pain to roll. | [07:31] |
dub | lol | [07:32] |
dub | bitches don't know about mike_c's pimp roll | [07:32] |
mike_c | it's phat | [07:32] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c makes it quite impossible to get the wrong change. | [07:33] |
mike_c | paying attention fixes that problem too | [07:34] |
mircea_popescu | once you get the bitches you have no attention to spare. | [07:35] |
mike_c | hehe. that's why i stick with one. | [07:35] |
dub | 3rd world money tends to either be shit quality or stay in circulation long enough to wear any markings off | [07:35] |
mircea_popescu | so basically the equal size bills are anti-slut. | [07:35] |
mircea_popescu | DOWN WITH AMERICA | [07:35] |
mike_c | no way. ben lawsky is going to make america the center of btc bizness | [07:36] |
decimation | I would like to see the basis of his regulation | [07:37] |
decimation | like, how is bitcoin different than plain speech? | [07:37] |
decimation | if it isn't different, how is it legal for the government to regulate it, state or federal? | [07:37] |
Vexual | afik aust was the first to deploy polymer banknotes | [07:38] |
mike_c | idk.. ever since 9/11 the goverment just regulates whatever the fuck it wants. | [07:38] |
decimation | if there's an exception for "game" currencies, how does one demonstrate that bitcoin is demonstrably different than a "game" currency? | [07:38] |
decimation | lol more like ever since lincoln | [07:38] |
mircea_popescu | decimation you don't need basis for regulation. | [07:38] |
mircea_popescu | that's why regulation is taking over legislation as a normative process. | [07:38] |
Vexual | fucking giuliani | [07:39] |
mircea_popescu | decimation anyway, one doesn't "demonstrate". one claims, and prays nobody calls the bluff. | [07:39] |
mircea_popescu | which is why the 100% conviction-through-plea-bargain system is so important. | [07:39] |
mike_c | this doesn't work quite as well with companies. Lyft is testing this in NYC by blatantly ignoring all their regulations and fighting the state in court. | [07:40] |
mike_c | results TBD | [07:41] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway. the 2012 peg in the eye of the beast has been holding out splendidly well. they're trying to enact this difference between game currencies and bitcoin, and who knows, maybe it'll work. who;s to say that's the last peg trilema go. | [07:41] |
mircea_popescu | got* | [07:41] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c it exactly. | [07:42] |
* | dub got some good news today | [07:43] |
dub | won a 17 year olf legal battle | [07:43] |
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dub | old* | [07:43] |
mike_c | nice. congrats. | [07:43] |
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dub | bad news is $200k legal bill | [07:43] |
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decimation | the layers upon layers of outlandish claims fossilize into a hardened mess - nothing can change the status quo - until the whole thing fractures and breaks in a massive earthquake | [07:44] |
decimation | ie fragile, not robust or anti-fragile | [07:44] |
mircea_popescu | dub divorce ? | [07:44] |
Vexual | Go Around! | [07:45] |
dub | no | [07:45] |
Vexual | er that was for the fossilized mass, not dubs divorce | [07:46] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, one of the comparatively more important btc valuations is, "cost incurred by the usg litigating per btc available to defendant". | [07:46] |
mircea_popescu | definitely more important than derpstamp or w/e. and this is pretty hefty as we sit now. | [07:46] |
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mike_c | cazalla: m50x has detachable cable and you get coiled and straight. everybody wins. | [07:46] |
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decimation | mircea: the usg tends to maximally claim & minimally deliver | [07:47] |
decimation | if bitcoin goes up another one or two orders of magnitude in dollar value, it will be that much worse for the usg to do anything | [07:48] |
Vexual | mike_c get rabbit fur bads for extra boss | [07:49] |
decimation | my sennheisers have detachable cables too, although the oem cable was crap - conductors broke after awhile | [07:50] |
mike_c | they actually have velvet ones. http://www.amazon.com/ATH-M50-PADS-Velvet-pads-ATH-M50-headphones/dp/B00GTR2ICQ | [07:50] |
assbot | Amazon.com: ATH-M50-PADS - One Pair Black Velvet ear pads for ATH-M20x, ATH-M30x, ATH-M40x, ATH-M50, ATH-M50s, ATH-M50RD, ATH-M50WH, ATH-M50x, ATH-M50xBL, ATH-M50xWH: Electronics | [07:50] |
decimation | according to their spec sheet, the ath m50's only go down to 15 hz, the sennehiser hd280's go down to 8 Hz | [07:51] |
decimation | that's going to be more audible than whatever the top frequency in the ultrasonic band is | [07:51] |
mike_c | hm. ath has lower impedance. | [07:52] |
decimation | human hearing being a logrithmically spaced filter bank and all | [07:52] |
decimation | impedance is a matter of what you are connecting with | [07:52] |
mike_c | yeah. won't matter for computer. | [07:53] |
mike_c | could matter for phone? | [07:53] |
mike_c | probably not. | [07:53] |
decimation | my guess is no | [07:53] |
decimation | impedance actually varies with frequency, which no one gives a spec for | [07:53] |
decimation | in a basic sense, impedance mismatch will just lower the effective power delivered to the headphones | [07:54] |
decimation | so turn them up, etc | [07:54] |
mike_c | right, phone can only deliver so much though. but probably enough for either. | [07:54] |
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decimation | https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4388969?start=195&tstart=0 | [07:55] |
assbot | iPhone 5 headphone volume too low | Apple Support Communities | [07:55] |
decimation | "The issue as I understand it is that the output impedance of the iPhone 5 is around 3.7 ohms whereas the older phones and iPods are around 5.5 ohms. What is not clear is whether this has been changed by software or by hardware. There are reports that this is an issue in the EU region only. Yet some folk in the USA are also complaining." | [07:55] |
decimation | so either headphone is going to have an impedance mismatch | [07:55] |
decimation | because apple has neither the room on their board or the inclination to deliver studio quality audio | [07:55] |
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decimation | if you think about it, headphones that block surrounding audio will increase the effective signal/noise ratio delivered to your ears | [07:57] |
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mike_c | decisions.. | [07:58] |
Vexual | just buy the 50s you wally | [07:58] |
decimation | I suspect the average listening would be unable to differentiate most of these headphones in a blind test | [07:59] |
decimation | s/listening/listener | [07:59] |
Vexual | get the velvet, and if you get too stoned you can hide in the curtains | [07:59] |
mike_c | yeah.. sennheiser doesn't have velvet. | [07:59] |
decimation | if you are going to use them for 8 hours per day in the office, comfort is probably more important than audio quality | [08:00] |
mike_c | it is, but that is difficult to know before trying for 8 hours | [08:00] |
decimation | indeed, I guess the solution is buy one and sell it on craigslist if it sucks | [08:01] |
Vexual | for $120 try a fresh set | [08:01] |
mike_c | yes. or return it. | [08:01] |
dub | the solution is dont work in an office | [08:01] |
mike_c | i like working in an office. fewer distractions. | [08:02] |
decimation | I find comfortable headphones with classical music encourage focus | [08:02] |
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mike_c | i find the same with electronic music. di.fm ftw. | [08:03] |
Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFVdTw4PwE0 | [08:03] |
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dub | boombox with gangster rap tbh | [08:04] |
mike_c | whatever works | [08:05] |
Vexual | ghetto blaster is best | [08:05] |
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Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQM1-NSVGjg | [08:11] |
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dub | heh, famous actor lives across road, pulling into my drive earlier I see another actor getting a box of beer out of his car and going inside | [08:17] |
dub | they're now playing what looks like GTA5 on his huge ass tv | [08:18] |
Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KL9mRus19o | [08:18] |
Vexual | lets go around with a bottle of glen fiddich | [08:19] |
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Vexual | pitch mp's idea, wich is way better than his last | [08:21] |
cazalla | mike_c, didn't know they had an m50x, i still think i'd go the m50s due to no coil and i would likely lose the cable if i could detach it anyway | [08:22] |
dub | fresh out of glenfiddich but I'm now sipping a glenrothes, good suggestion | [08:23] |
cazalla | Vexual, i think aus was first, i still have some of the first abo polymer notes around somewhere | [08:24] |
mike_c | cazalla: m50s is cheaper too, just b/c it isn't 'current year model'. sound is supposed to be the same. | [08:25] |
cazalla | you can get the m50s for around $100 on special sometimes | [08:25] |
Vexual | d'you keep your rabbit skins cazalla? | [08:27] |
cazalla | no but i should | [08:27] |
cazalla | mike_c, only thing i dislike about m50s is the soundstage is a little too small for fps gaming, i switch to my speakers when gaming but they aren't gaming headphones to begin with so isn't a big issue | [08:28] |
mike_c | yeah, not a problem for me | [08:29] |
mike_c | ok, i'm off to buy something and hit the sack. thanks for the help. | [08:30] |
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Vexual | beats by dre:buy | [08:31] |
cazalla | Vexual, kill yourself | [08:32] |
Vexual | i was joking about what mike hunt bought dick nob | [08:32] |
cazalla | beats give you +10 swag, that's about it | [08:34] |
cazalla | hey Vexual, you know the aussie victims of the MH17 crash, my old primary school teacher was on it | [08:37] |
Vexual | yes i heard that | [08:38] |
Vexual | was it some year 4 hex? | [08:38] |
cazalla | well, he made me write lines | [08:39] |
cazalla | had to do em again as taping 2 pencils together to write 2x was too obvious | [08:39] |
cazalla | dunno if being asploded was warranted punishment for him though | [08:41] |
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Vexual | yeah its harsh | [08:41] |
Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y6ihWvymwg | [08:42] |
cazalla | not my cup of tea | [08:42] |
Vexual | sams or the music? | [08:43] |
cazalla | music | [08:43] |
Vexual | im not a big fan of sams | [08:43] |
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Vexual | commericail airlines flew over iraq and afghanistan for the last 10 years, this might be a proper war | [08:45] |
Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8WLYzA0lCs | [08:51] |
cazalla | multipass | [08:52] |
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Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPTlhBmwRg | [08:55] |
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BingoBoingo | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=667460.msg7930421#msg7930421 | [09:03] |
assbot | Phinnaeus Gage aka ~Bruno Kucinskas - DEBT PAID 7/19/2014 | [09:03] |
Vexual | ben10: 2 beers? | [09:04] |
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benkay | uh | [09:05] |
benkay | gosh lost count boss | [09:05] |
Vexual | yep. 2 | [09:05] |
Vexual | dou so digital it hurts | [09:06] |
benkay | Vexual: pm | [09:07] |
Vexual | aight maybe 12 | [09:08] |
benkay | a few yeah | [09:09] |
Vexual | it happens | [09:09] |
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Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui2NJ3dXpeY | [09:21] |
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Vexual | ;;ud having a lend | [09:40] |
gribble | http://fr.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=having%20a%20lend | An Australian term meaning to be lying to a person for one's own amusement. " He said she had an STI" "He's only having a lend of you". de ZStardust 13 février ... | [09:40] |
mircea_popescu | !s infinite number of arms | [09:41] |
assbot | 1 results for 'infinite number of arms' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=infinite+number+of+arms | [09:41] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/big-numbers-random-numbers-and-whos-got-your-number/ | [09:58] |
assbot | Big numbers, random numbers and who’s got your number ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [09:58] |
Vexual | d'you pay .15 for 3 tits? | [10:00] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [10:01] |
Vexual | i dtill think a cell phne cam is an excellent source of entropy | [10:02] |
Vexual | but, poison is the thing more than reverse anything | [10:03] |
mircea_popescu | there's no free entropy lunch. | [10:03] |
Vexual | excellent aritlce | [10:04] |
mircea_popescu | glad you liked it. | [10:06] |
Vexual | i might even understand it tomorrow; this water is giving me heartburn | [10:11] |
Vexual | no i think i get it | [10:12] |
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mircea_popescu | !up ceger | [10:16] |
-assbot- | You voiced ceger for 30 minutes. | [10:16] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 327 @ 0.0028813 = 0.9422 BTC [+] {3} | [10:17] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/big-numbers-random-numbers-and-whos-got-your-number/ | [10:21] |
jurov | yes, good article | [10:22] |
jurov | next time i see someone reading from bones or coffee stain imma pester them whether they have tested past output for enough entropy | [10:23] |
Vexual | entropy is irrelevantr oto these soothsaysers | [10:24] |
Vexual | ask em something else | [10:24] |
jurov | i daresay otherwise | [10:24] |
jurov | they certainly seem to need some randomness source | [10:24] |
Vexual | say away dear lamb | [10:25] |
jurov | without it, their output could be too predictable | [10:25] |
jurov | what would expose them to potential problem | [10:25] |
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fluffypony | mircea_popescu: you've seen Total Recall, no? | [10:36] |
Vexual | dies the new one have 3 titites? | [10:37] |
fluffypony | yes | [10:38] |
fluffypony | personally I prefer the old one, but at least they kept that bit in for continuity :-P | [10:38] |
Vexual | will watch | [10:38] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony the one film schwarzy made that was trying to not be hack and slash ? | [10:38] |
mircea_popescu | jurov generally their whole claim is butressed on such past history. | [10:39] |
fluffypony | mircea_popescu: yes, otherwise known as "that movie that came out when I was 8 or 9 years old that I wasn't allowed to watch because it had a chick with 3 tits in it" | [10:39] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 76 @ 0.012999 = 0.9879 BTC [+] | [10:39] |
fluffypony | but that I watched a couple of years later anyway when one of my school friends got it on VHS | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | which is why the warning came to be on financial products, that "past performance is no indication of future success". the fortune teller makes two spurious claims, one that his arbitrariety is systematic, the other that he has a good historical record. | [10:40] |
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mircea_popescu | the latter is easier to disprove, but the former easily sticks with people, who then form the spurious belief that everything is systematic | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | hence conspiracy theorists, forum investors etc. | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony i was allowed to watch it. | [10:40] |
mircea_popescu | being a yurpean rocks i guess. | [10:40] |
Vexual | yeah buy you wer like 14 | [10:41] |
Vexual | you woulda been mean then | [10:41] |
fluffypony | my parents let me watch all measure of stuff, but Total Recall was bad because they didn't want an 8 year old believing that girls had 3 boobs | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | i was allowed to watch pasolini's fucking decameron | [10:42] |
Vexual | most 8 year olds prolly have livelank now | [10:45] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, the baby-in-belly was the more disturbing part i thought | [10:45] |
Vexual | tru dat | [10:46] |
Vexual | is he in the new one ? | [10:46] |
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Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oMQ4ZFdH5c | [10:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 901 @ 0.00288522 = 2.5996 BTC [-] {3} | [10:51] |
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Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5KlZNh1WA | [11:02] |
BingoBoingo | !up ceger | [11:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 310 @ 0.00289631 = 0.8979 BTC [+] {3} | [11:23] |
fluffypony | http://i.imgur.com/omUhB6F.png | [11:26] |
Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Naf5uJYGoiU | [11:26] |
Vexual | more cowbell | [11:27] |
Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHDYfoRYcqQ | [11:30] |
Vexual | fluffypony, your iris dna assay is in, you're 5% negroif | [11:31] |
Vexual | you are also 20% gold | [11:32] |
fluffypony | lol | [11:33] |
mircea_popescu | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BenfordsLaw.html random link of the day | [11:34] |
assbot | Benford's Law -- from Wolfram MathWorld | [11:34] |
mircea_popescu | in a randomly selected lit of numbers, 30% will start with 1. | [11:34] |
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mircea_popescu | it's close to 50% if you take atomic weights | [11:34] |
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mircea_popescu | !up ChesterMolester | [11:35] |
-assbot- | You voiced ChesterMolester for 30 minutes. | [11:35] |
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ChesterMolester | lold | [11:35] |
ChesterMolester | sup mircea | [11:35] |
ChesterMolester | Come visit USA, we’ll go for pizza ;) | [11:36] |
fluffypony | I think he's on the no fly list | [11:37] |
ChesterMolester | lold | [11:37] |
fluffypony | NICE TRY SEC SPY | [11:38] |
Vexual | baloney! | [11:39] |
mircea_popescu | ChesterMolester who're you again ? | [11:40] |
ChesterMolester | Hasbro / JoshG | [11:40] |
ChesterMolester | I came for the woman and stayed for the coin | [11:40] |
mircea_popescu | lol mkay. | [11:40] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, had enough us for a decade or two. | [11:41] |
mircea_popescu | maybe i visit after the fall. play fallout in new reno irl or some4thing. | [11:41] |
fluffypony | Josh Groban? | [11:41] |
Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl3vxEudif8 | [11:43] |
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Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnZzNToI1tE | [11:47] |
Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5IhZod5Dso | [11:56] |
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Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcXNPI-IPPM too soon? | [12:21] |
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Vexual | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh44QPT1mPE | [12:45] |
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mircea_popescu | pankkake https://blog.flameeyes.eu/2014/07/libressl-is-taking-a-beating-and-that-s-good << all i see is more of the same, "fucktards are butthurt, how dares anyone upset the statu quo" | [19:56] |
assbot | LibreSSL is taking a beating, and that's good | Flameeyes's Weblog | [19:56] |
asciilifeform | 'ubuntu: turns out is actually windows vista with a few custom themes.' | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea who fucking asked amazon fanboi there to pass his judgement on de raadt, but i can state for teh records it wasn't me. | [19:57] |
asciilifeform | anyone here knows de raadt in person? | [19:58] |
asciilifeform | linked from above - the old, familiar http://www.entropykey.co.uk << still sold out, no date for next shipment (1 year + now!) | [19:59] |
assbot | Simtec Electronics Entropy Key: USB True Random Number Generator | [19:59] |
kakobrekla | how about never. | [20:00] |
asciilifeform | kakobrekla: i suppose they keep the site up, for old time's sake | [20:00] |
mircea_popescu | the better news here is that while i tried to sleep my cold off people actually got to the bottom of the whole gpg snag. hallelujah. | [20:00] |
kakobrekla | any guesses why they stopped making them? | [20:04] |
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thestringpuller | ;;calc .25 * 400 | [20:04] |
gribble | 100 | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | not enough dough in it ? | [20:07] |
asciilifeform | kakobrekla: why they stopped making them << ft meade's shipments of diddled ARM micros held up. budget blown on coke. | [20:07] |
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chetty | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/07/air-force-research-how-to-use-social-media-to-control-people-like-drones/ | [20:13] |
assbot | Air Force research: How to use social media to control people like drones | Ars Technica | [20:13] |
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fluffypony | oh sorry missed that | [20:20] |
fluffypony | yes it is | [20:20] |
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fluffypony | :) | [20:22] |
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mircea_popescu | chetty gotta love how the sm people keep pumping out more articles about how essential sm is. | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | it'd read "cern laboratory using social media to collide large hadrons" if the movie of the week were about the cern | [20:23] |
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mircea_popescu | speaking of which, dear intelligent people stuck on reddit&co - this is you : http://trilema.com/2014/i-wasnt-going-to-actually-post-this-but/ | [20:27] |
assbot | I wasn’t going to actually post this, but… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | you've bought into the entire sm swag just like other generations have bought in the shit offered for their consumption. guess what : the fact that you all get it only hides the fact that it's shit from you yourselves, | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | not from anyone else. and it doesn't even do such a good job of hiding it from you yourselves on a long enough timeline. | [20:28] |
mircea_popescu | it's still shit, in the manner the local fair in lexington, kentucky, even if called "the flaming man", is still a very poor approximation of the actual burning man. | [20:28] |
chetty | social media seems to do a really good job of killing social | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | and even if parents would much prefer their 17 yo rebelious teenager goes to the flaming man instead of the burning man, and even if they give the car with a full tank of gasoline and two small bottles of ginger ale for the former and punish the latter, | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | fucking lexington is still a joke, and you're going to be a joke for going there. not just in my eyes, which whatever, who cares, but in your own 60yo eyes. and that burns. | [20:29] |
mircea_popescu | /done ranting. | [20:30] |
mircea_popescu | social media, fucking chewing gum. what is it ? it's not social, nor is it media. it's not a food, not a liquid, basically a stationery bike for you jaw. | [20:34] |
chetty | seems more like a cattle prod | [20:36] |
chetty | feliz dia del amigo | [20:40] |
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mircea_popescu | o wow that exists ? | [20:41] |
mircea_popescu | is it the day of the married man's secret homosexual friend ? like "jour de la chere amie" would be in france ? | [20:42] |
benkay | ;;ud having a lend | [20:49] |
gribble | http://fr.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=having%20a%20lend | An Australian term meaning to be lying to a person for one's own amusement. " He said she had an STI" "He's only having a lend of you". de ZStardust 13 février ... | [20:49] |
benkay | ;;later tell vexual no lend, but doubtful that it'd be serial. | [20:49] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [20:49] |
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chetty | seems to be a sort of generic friends day, can't walk down street without hearing it today | [20:57] |
mircea_popescu | these people can make a feast out of anything. | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | samba si! trabajo no! | [20:59] |
benkay | my kind of country i tell you | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [20:59] |
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benkay | no more monitors, headsets only | [21:02] |
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chetty | http://www.coindesk.com/chinese-exchange-okcoin-launch-usd-deposits-withdrawals/ | [21:07] |
assbot | Chinese Exchange OKCoin Launches USD Deposits and Withdrawals | [21:07] |
chetty | The company does not plan to register for money transmission licenses in the US immediately | [21:08] |
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mircea_popescu | i thot china made btc illegal. | [21:17] |
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Oglafbot | http://oglaf.com/enlist/ | [21:26] |
assbot | Enlist! | [21:26] |
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mircea_popescu | all these people derping about "quantum-computing-strong hashes" and whatnot are starting to get on my motherfucking nerves. yo idiots! are you aware that every rng out there actually uses some sort of quantum noise ? WHAT THE FUCK ARE HASHES GOING TO DO WHEN I KNOW ALL THE SEEDS! | [21:29] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: to be fair, the machine (as described originally by r. feynman) doesn't divine history a la asimov's 'chronoscope', but merely computes certain classes of function unusually cheaply. | [21:34] |
mircea_popescu | and you know this how ? | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | the rules as they are preclude its existence. that may not mean it can't exist, | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | but it does mean that IF it were to exist, we can't say anything about what it can't do./ | [21:35] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.theonion.com/articles/openminded-man-grimly-realizes-how-much-life-hes-w,19273/ | [21:35] |
assbot | Open-Minded Man Grimly Realizes How Much Life He's Wasted Listening To Bullshit | The Onion - America's Finest News Source | [21:35] |
chetty | quantum = magic (at least vocabulary wise) | [21:35] |
asciilifeform | let's put it slightly differently. if it's also a chronoscope, this cannot be readily inferred from feynman's hypothetical. | [21:35] |
mircea_popescu | but feynman's hypothetical is not wholly self-contained. | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | if it were, we could build it. | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | so, i can argue that yes, it is just as readily inferred as anything else. | [21:36] |
asciilifeform | i sorta get the flavour here. perpetuum mobile, were it build, could perhaps also cure baldness. | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | why not ? | [21:36] |
mircea_popescu | the day false evaluates to true, you're nine feet tall | [21:37] |
mircea_popescu | should you wish to be. | [21:37] |
mircea_popescu | simply because 5 is the new 9. | [21:37] |
asciilifeform | (setq #f #t) << actually evaluated this in a 'lisp' i wrote as a schoolboy. mega-lol. | [21:37] |
mircea_popescu | moreover, you trying to sell my king a device to harden the fortress against perpetuum mobile which relies on the 1st law of thermo will get me to advise him to hang you. | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | because srsly. | [21:38] |
asciilifeform | later found that in the original fortran, one could assign... to a constant. | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | yup, the old story of 4. | [21:38] |
BingoBoingo | BitPay doubles down on marketing to Joe Six Pack http://coinfire.cf/2014/07/20/bitcoin-symbol-appear-bobby-dodd-stadium/ | [21:38] |
assbot | Bitcoin Symbol to Appear on Bobby Dodd Stadium - Coin Fire | [21:38] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo where's that one ? | [21:38] |
asciilifeform | it's a good job that f-students can't actually break mathematics. | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | srsly. | [21:39] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: That one's some regional school. Probably sponsored because it is close not BitPay's Atlanta HQ. | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | this is the package maintainer's path to divinity : prevent all the f-students, masquerading as women-interest, "general public" interest etfuckingc from breaking math. | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo this is starting to look so much like classic doctom bubble burnage... | [21:40] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.17100833 = 1.026 BTC [+] {2} | [21:40] |
BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: For sure. With one of these discovering how much was spent will be a hard problem unless they just let the number slip. | [21:41] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.16494445 = 1.4845 BTC [-] {4} | [21:41] |
mircea_popescu | thanks to all the inflation, they're safe : they didn't have that much to spend anyway. i doubt anything under 1bn even registers anymore, especially after the great successes of govt contractors in the mideast. | [21:42] |
BingoBoingo | Also not there aren't very many "Halliburton Stadiums" because the contractors that abide know lean years are possible | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | more like, because hb count'd give less of a shit. | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | it's a mpex sort of corp, not a hot topic sort of corp. | [21:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5002 @ 0.00309973 = 15.5048 BTC [+] {8} | [21:44] |
BingoBoingo | Right, or an AT&T or another sophisticated herder of consumer cattle | [21:45] |
BingoBoingo | Also guide to ripping on Jews as a good libertard http://this-is-not-jewish.tumblr.com/post/34344324495/how-to-criticize-israel-without-being-anti-semitic | [21:45] |
assbot | This Is Not Jewish (How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic) | [21:45] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00309966 = 0.9299 BTC [-] {2} | [21:45] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: http://youtu.be/rR56uNg2XQs?t=2m43s << finally found the ancient cartoon with the schooltard who zaps all of history so he doesn't have to pass exam. | [21:49] |
assbot | ( 2) () - YouTube | [21:49] |
Pierre_Rochard | I wouldn’t describe GT as a “regional school”: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2012-13/subject-ranking/subject/engineering-and-IT | [21:50] |
assbot | Top 50 engineering & technology universities - Times Higher Education | [21:50] |
BingoBoingo | Pierre_Rochard: It seems that list strengthens the case of it as a regional school when it comes to Athletics. | [21:54] |
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Pierre_Rochard | Eh, they are in NCAA Division I. | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform omfg, it's got BEK! pankkake you sly dog. | [21:56] |
Pierre_Rochard | BingoBoingo: here’s what “regional” generally means: http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2013/09/09/frequently-asked-questions-2014-best-colleges-rankings#11 | [21:56] |
assbot | Frequently Asked Questions: 2014 Best Colleges Rankings - US News | [21:56] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: bek ? | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | Pierre_Rochard so basically it's the georgia tech stadium ? | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform bek! 2:48 | [21:57] |
Pierre_Rochard | mircea_popescu: yup, seats 55k http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Dodd_Stadium_at_Historic_Grant_Field | [21:57] |
assbot | Bobby Dodd Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | aha. | [21:57] |
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BingoBoingo | Rather small for a college football stadium | [21:58] |
asciilifeform | 'век' == 'century' | [21:58] |
Pierre_Rochard | BingoBoingo: agreed, my alma mater seated 100k. | [21:58] |
Pierre_Rochard | seats* | [21:58] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform shhh :p | [22:00] |
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BingoBoingo | Pierre_Rochard: Regionalness is an attribute that can feature differently on Aspects of a University. Consider a school in the opposite situation, Texas Tech. National University in athletics and very regional school academically. | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | http://this-is-not-jewish.tumblr.com/post/34344324495/how-to-criticize-israel-without-being-anti-semitic <<< ahahah, "don't use what happens to be the largest, oldest and generally speaking most important european meme, because it may butthurt jooz" | [22:01] |
assbot | This Is Not Jewish (How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic) | [22:01] |
mircea_popescu | this is the most preposterous shit i ever read. hey, fifty million jewish people ? about a billion people happen to not give a shit. this is how it should be. | [22:01] |
Pierre_Rochard | BingoBoingo: agreed | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | ima end up persecuting fucking jews as the initiators of this "vocal minority trying to opress majority" meme. | [22:02] |
Pierre_Rochard | BingoBoingo: I guess we’re just using different definitions of “regional”, the one that’s “bachelor + master” is more commonly used | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | Pierre_Rochard i originally thought it's a highschool/municipal sort of stadium for some reason. | [22:03] |
mircea_popescu | "Don’t call Jews you agree with “the good Jews.” Imposing your values on another group is not okay. Tokenizing is not okay. Appointing yourself the judge of what other groups can or should believe is not okay." << omfg. this is about as offensive as it gets. | [22:04] |
Namworld | So I have this cat I just adopted. He's always following me around and tend to lay down at my feet. Won't let me sleep, walking on me and trying to get under the sheets. So I close the door to the bedroom. Then shortly later, I hear the cat and look. He's inside the room playing. I think wtf, must have slipt back in while I was closing the door. I go put him out, close the door, go back | [22:04] |
Namworld | to bed. Noises in the room. I look, he's back in the room. | [22:04] |
mircea_popescu | appointing yourself the judge of all fucking creation is the point of life. | [22:04] |
BingoBoingo | Pierre_Rochard: There's a lot of small shit schools getting on the doctoral train trying to escape their regional labels, so it is best not to use bachelor+masters as a measure. That and there are Bachelors (sometimes + masters) schools that are better candidates for escaping regionalness than some shitholes like Ohio State. | [22:04] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld got a hole in your roof ? | [22:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 796 @ 0.00309999 = 2.4676 BTC [-] {2} | [22:04] |
Pierre_Rochard | BingoBoingo: I agree, “national research university” has gotten diluted. | [22:05] |
asciilifeform | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU6RpNugTfg | [22:05] |
assbot | (At the Back Desk) episode 2, English subs - YouTube | [22:05] |
asciilifeform | ^ english subs | [22:05] |
asciilifeform | for aficionados | [22:05] |
Namworld | Basement appartment. | [22:05] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 173 @ 0.0031539 = 0.5456 BTC [+] {2} | [22:05] |
mircea_popescu | "Don’t depict the Magen David (Star of David) as an equivalent to the Nazi swastika. The Magen David represents all Jews—not just Israelis, not just people who are violent against Palestinians, ALL JEWS. When you do this, you are painting all Jews as violent, genocidal racists. DON’T." << and for that matter, the swastika represented all germans, not just the ones involved in homicide. | [22:06] |
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mircea_popescu | so you know... stop misrepresenting the swastika as something bad just to serve your need to scapegoat imagery. | [22:06] |
Namworld | So I wonder what kind of sorcery this is. Then I notice a service panel to pipes slightly opened. That fucker was opening the cabinet under the sink, crawled into the walls with the pipes and made it's way to the room. | [22:06] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld ahahah i think that's a keeper :) | [22:07] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 225 @ 0.00315393 = 0.7096 BTC [+] | [22:08] |
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Namworld | Well definitly. That cat would chew a door to get to me. Can hear it scratching doors to follow me. That plus always laying at my feet. It's more like a dog. | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | so treat it well and be happy. | [22:09] |
mircea_popescu | maybe one day a woman does the same. | [22:09] |
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Namworld | All I need now is to find it a name, eh. | [22:17] |
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mircea_popescu | you could call it brock. | [22:24] |
mircea_popescu | on the strength of the similarity in behaviour. | [22:24] |
BingoBoingo | Lol sneaking into bedrooms | [22:24] |
BingoBoingo | !b 3 | [22:24] |
assbot | Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0SSCNR5.txt ) | [22:25] |
Namworld | Who? | [22:25] |
BingoBoingo | The FOundation guy | [22:26] |
asciilifeform | sounds like the ideal cat. deserves a respectable name. | [22:26] |
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BingoBoingo | OMG BUllet point #2 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtAmSI5CQAA4AY7.jpg | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | decentralized key generation ? | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | what's this, a way to reduce key entropy to breakable levels ? | [22:29] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: probably some crackpot m-of-n scheme again | [22:30] |
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mircea_popescu | "have a 4096 rsa key made out of 8 parts! it may not be as strong as the proper key, but that's good : if you forget your passphrase you can break the key and retreive your stuff!" | [22:35] |
asciilifeform | lol | [22:35] |
mircea_popescu | "also only terrorists would do this unauthorisedly." | [22:36] |
mircea_popescu | "and it's illegal to not let us do illegal shit when we want to anyway, so." | [22:36] |
BingoBoingo | ;;calc 4096/8 | [22:38] |
gribble | 512 | [22:38] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: this isn't how it works. | [22:38] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: if you know ~1 in 4 bits, you can trivially break. | [22:39] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform well, it COULD be designed as a concatenation somehow, thus actually retaining 500ish bits. maybe. | [22:41] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: It's hard to predict derpitecture | [22:41] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: there are published recipes for this. see 'multi-party computation' literature. | [22:42] |
mircea_popescu | yeah just dun know how far i'd trust it. | [22:42] |
asciilifeform | but there is virtually never any good reason to attempt it. | [22:42] |
asciilifeform | for one thing, in most cases a plaintext exists, and who can know where and in how many copies. | [22:43] |
BingoBoingo | http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2014/06/memory-management-in-c-and-auto.html?showComment=1404216537390#c910627546852979802 | [22:46] |
assbot | Insane Coding: Memory management in C and auto allocating sprintf() - asprintf() | [22:46] |
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decimation | I was thinking about the "poisoned soup" model of determining the "randomness" of some numbers | [22:49] |
decimation | it seems to me that if you had an infinitely large pot, you could tell whether the numbers were random or not | [22:49] |
decimation | any source of finite entropy would eventually exhaust | [22:49] |
asciilifeform | decimation: if you had an infinitely large pot, you could tip it over and drown the enemy. | [22:49] |
decimation | heh yeah my point is of academic interest only | [22:50] |
thickasthieves | "The U.S. government is rapidly expanding the number of names it accepts for inclusion on its terrorist watch list, with more than 1.5 million added in the last five years, according to numbers divulged by the government in a civil lawsuit." | [22:50] |
decimation | although, the first practical test of any source of random numbers is to get a large quantity of them and see if there are any repeats | [22:50] |
asciilifeform | decimation: the real lesson (which always seemed rather obvious to me, but what the hell) is that the numbers are uninteresting except in so far as they shed light on the mechanics of the source | [22:50] |
decimation | indeed, and some of source must shine through with a mechanical generator | [22:51] |
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decimation | re: headphone "muffs": I used these sometimes in the office: http://support.radioshack.com/support_electronics/doc67/67054.htm (330-1198) | [22:55] |
assbot | Racing Scanners: Frequently Asked Questions and Listening Tips | [22:55] |
decimation | but after about 3 hours it feels like you have your head in a vise | [22:55] |
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assbot | Enlist! | [22:55] |
BingoBoingo | benkay: Twas I. It is a manual bot. | [22:56] |
benkay | hahaha excellent | [22:56] |
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Oglafbot | Hello benkay | [22:57] |
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benkay | i don't watch nicks/joins/parts | [22:58] |
benkay | i've not customized this irc client to both show those things but not display notifications for them | [22:58] |
BingoBoingo | benkay: For a thing that updates weekly it seems the optimum haw to handle feed generation | [22:58] |
decimation | what proxy bot do you guys use generally? | [22:58] |
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benkay | curse of emacs - it can behave any way you want it to, provided you put the time in to make it so. | [22:59] |
benkay | decimation: emacs running on a vps, mosh for flaky mobile connections | [22:59] |
decimation | interesting, you use ERC to host proxy? | [23:00] |
mircea_popescu | so it turns out that ssh specifies ports with -p, but scp specifies ports with -P and -p is something else entirely. | [23:02] |
mircea_popescu | that's half an hour i'm never getting back. | [23:02] |
mircea_popescu | !up sheldonthomas | [23:03] |
-assbot- | You voiced sheldonthomas for 30 minutes. | [23:03] |
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sheldonthomas | just swinging by wondering why mpex.co is down | [23:03] |
sheldonthomas | or is it just some tacit geoip blocking | [23:03] |
mircea_popescu | sheldonthomas you can start here http://trilema.com/2014/mpex-status-update/ | [23:03] |
assbot | MPEx status update pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [23:03] |
fluffypony | the owner was arrested and deported to Argentina | [23:03] |
sheldonthomas | sheesh you can’t be serious | [23:04] |
fluffypony | I believe they're about to start waterboarding him | [23:04] |
fluffypony | the Argentinians are rough | [23:04] |
mircea_popescu | fluffypony teaboarding actually. | [23:04] |
fluffypony | werd | [23:04] |
mircea_popescu | im so fucking full of camomille i could burst. | [23:04] |
decimation | yeah I've been hit by that ssh/scp thing many times, enraging | [23:04] |
mircea_popescu | decimation just... why the fuck you know ? WHY!11 | [23:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00300504 = 3.005 BTC [-] {5} | [23:04] |
decimation | turn the screwdriver clockwise screw turns, turn it counterclockwise and it explodes | [23:05] |
mircea_popescu | [23:05] | |
mircea_popescu | one of the core (if unknown) principles underscoring all creation is that the qty of entropy in a system remains the same if it's cut in half. | [23:05] |
mircea_popescu | it may not be as accessible now, but it's there. | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | this is fundamentally why reductive (and most not-so-reductive) physicalism does not work. | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | and about as close as one can get to physically proving divinity. | [23:06] |
decimation | indeed, it makes determinism persuasive | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | no, the contrary. in the quest to make determinism infeasible, it requires some sort of entropy reservoir outside-the-world. | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | basically god is just this very large dice assemblage in non-space, feeding all the quarks dicerolls. | [23:07] |
sheldonthomas | six drives are bricked huh | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | sheldonthomas anyway, that was then. meanwhile a lot of progress'been made (notices of which scattered all over the log), and we're coming out of da woods. | [23:07] |
mircea_popescu | !s mpex | [23:07] |
assbot | 24646 results for 'mpex' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=mpex | [23:07] |
sheldonthomas | what’s to be expected when you finish the migration? everything back in place, accounts and the like? | [23:08] |
BingoBoingo | http://coinfire.cf/2014/07/20/will-regulations-shutdown-pools/ | [23:08] |
assbot | Will Regulations Shutdown Pools? - Coin Fire | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | sheldonthomas yes. | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | new mpex key, but otherwise nothing much. | [23:09] |
decimation | I guess I was picturing "determinism" as "God sets the outcome of the quark-dicerolls in the way He sees fit" | [23:11] |
sheldonthomas | disappointing, albeit understandable | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu |
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mircea_popescu | sheldonthomas what's disappointing you mean ? | [23:12] |
mircea_popescu | decimation a ok, then yes, pure determinism. | [23:12] |
sheldonthomas | this downtime | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | obviously if one applied the same standards to quarks as it does to bitcoins, one could never trust the fucking quark. obviously quark-nsa is behind it. | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | sheldonthomas ah. yes. | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | i have this impression your name's familiar, any idea whence ? | [23:13] |
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sheldonthomas | not really. i occasionally linger on assets. maybe we met back at the bruce wager bitcoin conference. i sat in the 2nd row | [23:15] |
sheldonthomas | *wagner | [23:15] |
fluffypony | third seat from the left? | [23:17] |
fluffypony | with the bushy hair and the moustache? | [23:17] |
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decimation | re: scp/ssh user interface << Herr Moldbug's rant on this topic is apropos: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html "The error is that control interfaces must not be intelligent. Briefly, intelligent user interfaces should be limited to applications in which the user does not expect to control the behavior of the product. If the product is used as a tool, its interface should be as | [23:17] |
decimation | unintelligent as possible. Stupid is predictable; predictable is learnable; learnable is usable." | [23:17] |
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assbot | Unqualified Reservations: Wolfram Alpha and hubristic user interfaces | [23:17] |
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decimation | I would note that Mr. Wolfram & co. are slowly migrating Mathmatica to be "pay us to use Wolfram Alpha in the cloud" | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | sheldonthomas got a wot acct ? | [23:18] |
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sheldonthomas | i’ve lost my fucking wot identity more times than i like to admit | [23:20] |
mthreat | it's ok, your other identity will admit it for you | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | not so smart. | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | lmao | [23:21] |
sheldonthomas | i know man. i had reviews from trades in 2011 with people like justmoon and then i lost that harddrive and thus that wot identity | [23:21] |
sheldonthomas | mthreat so true | [23:22] |
nubbins` | protip: offsite backups | [23:22] |
fluffypony | or the Usagi Backup System | [23:26] |
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thestringpuller | yes usagi still has investors | [23:27] |
thestringpuller | funny how that works | [23:27] |
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nubbins` | some guy who bought a print off me yesterday now wants to use it for his band's next album cover | [23:30] |
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benkay | ;;gettrust xanthyos | [23:30] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask xanthyos!~xanthyos@d-206-53-92-136.cpe.metrocast.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user xanthyos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=xanthyos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xanthyos | Rated since: Tue May 13 21:36:26 2014 | [23:30] |
BingoBoingo | http://www.internetnews.me/2014/07/19/domain-registry-america-suspended-icann/ | [23:31] |
assbot | Domain Registry Of America Suspended By ICANN | [23:31] |
xanthyos | benkay: i'm a friend of danielpbarron 's | [23:31] |
benkay | so i read | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | !up xanthyos | [23:32] |
-assbot- | You voiced xanthyos without time-limit. | [23:32] |
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nubbins` | !up sheldonthomas | [23:33] |
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mircea_popescu | jesus what passes for process in the us these days. | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | Q : "ie. mining your competitors’ data to send unsolicited and misleading marketing messages isn’t allowed, so if you didn’t breach this clause how exactly did you send those notices?" | [23:35] |
mircea_popescu | A : "none of your fucking business. door's that way." | [23:35] |
thickasthieves | <@assbot> Domain Registry Of America Suspended By ICANN --- fuk ya! | [23:36] |
thickasthieves | all the data they needed was public | [23:37] |
thickasthieves | clients always asking me what the deal is when they get DRA letters | [23:38] |
thestringpuller | nubbins`: so are you gonna sell him the album cover rights? | [23:38] |
thestringpuller | lol | [23:38] |
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mircea_popescu | "I actually have been thrilled to see that finally there is movement to replace the straight access to /dev/random and /dev/urandom: Ted's patch to implement a getrandom() system call that can be made compatible with OpenBSD's own getentropy() in user space. And even more I'm happy to see that at least one of the OpenBSD/LibreSSL developers pitching in to help shape the interface. | [23:38] |
mircea_popescu | Dropping out the egd support made me puzzled for a moment, but then I realized that there is no point in using egd to feed the randomness to the process, you just need to feed entropy to the kernel, and let the process get it normally. I have had, unfortunately, quite a bit of experience with entropy-generating daemons, and I wonder if this might be the right time to suggest getting a new multi-source daemon out." << a | [23:38] |
mircea_popescu | sciilifeform do you read this thing like i do, ie, a nsa-sponsored attempt to survive the "everyone has cardano rng on board" apocalypse by making good entropy sources still circumventable ? | [23:38] |
thickasthieves | maybe DRA can move on to Namecoin | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | o look, irc breaks names huh. asciilifeform ^ | [23:39] |
nubbins` | thestringpuller: blonde-dyed mullet kid with a skateboard making 40 tapes for his band | [23:41] |
nubbins` | absolutely :D | [23:41] |
thickasthieves | lol, so my wife has been buying these cat litter coupons on ebay for mos, free box, any size | [23:42] |
thickasthieves | she just learned it's a fraud | [23:42] |
BingoBoingo | do you read this thing like i do, ie, a nsa-sponsored attempt to survive the "everyone has cardano rng on board" apocalypse by making good entropy sources still circumventable ? << I read either that or some kernel afficianado who would buy a unix pacemaker | [23:42] |
thickasthieves | we mustve gone through like 50 boxes | [23:43] |
nubbins` | ha | [23:43] |
thickasthieves | she;s all embarassed | [23:43] |
fluffypony | it's a scam as in you get no boxes? | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | thickasthieves i don't follow, so did the coupons yield boxes or not ? | [23:44] |
thickasthieves | yes | [23:45] |
thickasthieves | grcoery clerks just dont klnow its a fraud yet | [23:45] |
BingoBoingo | OMG USG Side channel attack on TaT via Ebay-Wife interaction | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | uh | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | so wait, basically your wife used some paper altcoin to defraud grocery chains ? | [23:47] |
fluffypony | can I buy shares in this scam? | [23:48] |
BingoBoingo | That's what I'm reading | [23:48] |
mircea_popescu | decimation here's more. sha1 is implemented as "sha1sum". sha256 however is implemented as "sha256". then sha512 is... "sha512sum" | [23:49] |
mircea_popescu | fuckwits. | [23:49] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: nsa 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret.' | [23:50] |
asciilifeform | who expects people to jump into the biodiesel fermenter on their own will. | [23:51] |
BingoBoingo | Some dude wants to turn Linux into System/z http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/storage-management/resource-management-and-control-a-straw-proposal-for-linux.html | [23:53] |
BingoBoingo | Or sell System/z systems | [23:53] |
benkay | can one do merged-mining on a premined coin? | [23:54] |
asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: lol at trying to rationally monitor or quota resources on x86 box. | [23:54] |
BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I haven't read the comments yet, but I wonder how many read it as a proposal for linux developments as opposed to IBM advertorial | [23:56] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: nsa-sponsored attempt to survive << they won't really worry until wintel stops being a thing. | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | !s parachute | [23:56] |
assbot | 50 results for 'parachute' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=parachute | [23:56] |
asciilifeform | lol | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | :D | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | dude this entire bitcoin-assets system with its tools is turning me into a fucking singularity, im like brain on steroids. | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | fucking love it. | [23:57] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu didn't have 'grep' before ? | [23:57] |
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