Forum logs for 20 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: CLean up that submission, stop inserting style="text-align: left; stuff	[00:01]
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pete_dushenski	dude, it makes no difference	[00:02]
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pete_dushenski	i had it on 'justify' like i do on all contravex, then i remembered that qntra is 'left'	[00:02]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: I'm cleaning it up, but can't be inserting extra style. Breaks the consisten qntra look.	[00:02]
pete_dushenski	?	[00:03]
pete_dushenski	dude, qntra is 'left' by default	[00:03]
pete_dushenski	these qntra editors and their trolling ;/	[00:03]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: But not justified. Many sane browsers don't support justified text syle	[00:04]
BingoBoingo	*style	[00:04]
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pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: u so raja	[00:09]
BingoBoingo	Really the "style" attribute inside tags has no reason to be used ever	[00:10]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Also in you anchor tags, what is with this "target" business?	[00:12]
scoopbot_revived	Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/	[00:13]
pete_dushenski	i'll be sure to omit those next time, my apologies bb	[00:13]
mod6	Any data not signed ...	[00:14]
pete_dushenski	hm ya...	[00:14]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: I'm just giving you shit, but ...	[00:15]
pete_dushenski	i b0rked this formatting job	[00:15]
BingoBoingo	mod6: fixed	[00:15]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: No I did	[00:15]
BingoBoingo	It's just if you are marking up text for display... WHy butcher the whole thing with superfluous attributes?	[00:16]
asciilifeform	http://www.futurologyalert.com/2015/08/nasa-has-been-granted-200000-year-for.html << 'spreading works!!11'	[00:17]
assbot	Futurology alert: NASA has been granted $200,000 a year for a project that recycles human poop into man-made food. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwbftf )	[00:17]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244909 << yes. and if anyone really wants me to gpg-sign this 'yes', i will	[00:17]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 02:20:07; hanbot: asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken? << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).	[00:17]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244925 << if you have a copy of gpg, verify with that	[00:18]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 02:42:28; mod6: The hashes look like the match -- mainly. asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?	[00:18]
asciilifeform	that was the intent	[00:18]
asciilifeform	you should get same thing i did, possibly excepting the timestamps	[00:18]
asciilifeform	(i'm for abolishing those, on account of their profound uselessness...)	[00:18]
asciilifeform	at any rate, diff it with mine, nothing but timestamps must differ.	[00:18]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244934 << neato, a small flat costs like a car in usa	[00:19]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 02:52:29; mircea_popescu: http://www.capital.ro/exclusiv-topul-oraselor-cu-cele-mai-accesibile-locuinte-din-romania.html << romanian real estate if anyone's curious	[00:19]
mod6	it look to me that the hashes match. but they're not all in the same order for som reason.	[00:19]
mod6	*some	[00:19]
asciilifeform	mod6: interesting. sort, compare.	[00:19]
asciilifeform	srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux	[00:20]
mod6	yeah, i'll go through it closer tomorrow see if I can work it out.	[00:20]
mod6	true. no idea why that awk command seems to honk on ubuntu.	[00:20]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244911 << oh for fuck's sake	[00:20]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 02:24:39; mod6: asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo. vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt	[00:20]
asciilifeform	y'know what,	[00:20]
asciilifeform	if you have an ubuntu,	[00:20]
asciilifeform	take it by its reins, lead it out behind the barn,	[00:21]
BingoBoingo	BBC	[00:21]
asciilifeform	and shoot it in the head.	[00:21]
mod6	hahah	[00:21]
asciilifeform	then sell for glue.	[00:21]
asciilifeform	this is from here on my official recommendation re: ubuntu of all versions.	[00:21]
asciilifeform	'plan9' is more of a linux than ubuntu.	[00:22]
asciilifeform	fuck, qnx is.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:22]
asciilifeform	i will support plan9 (which, i dare say, is spiffy) long before ubuntu.	[00:22]
BingoBoingo	plan9 is really pretty fly	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	http://morpheus.2f30.org/ << chunks of plan9 running on a linux kernel	[00:24]
assbot	Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs )	[00:25]
asciilifeform	snore.	[00:25]
asciilifeform	gimme all or nothing, i say.	[00:25]
asciilifeform	screw this 'i ran an os in userland on other os because i needed a thesis 111!!111' shit.	[00:25]
BingoBoingo	Problem seems to be they used plan9 userland as a path to saving linux when the linux part could have been flushed	[00:26]
*	BingoBoingo does not know their stimulus for keeping linux of life support, may have been Nvidia...	[00:27]
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BingoBoingo	!up TheRealJohnGalt	[00:29]
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asciilifeform	hm?	[00:30]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla?	[00:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25440 @ 0.00067809 = 17.2506 BTC [-] {3}	[00:31]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244949 << surprisingly little discussion in the press re: the fact of there being virtually no actual (vs. perl script) females in the system	[00:33]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 03:11:06; scoopbot_revived: Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/	[00:33]
asciilifeform	perhaps this is sop. if so, one can wonder why the chumpers signed up to begin with	[00:34]
asciilifeform	who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ?	[00:34]
*	asciilifeform spent an unhealthily large chunk of today crawling the dump	[00:35]
asciilifeform	it has, yes, corp. financials	[00:35]
pete_dushenski	http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143999753415770&w=2 << OpenBDSM 5.8 drops early because 20th birthday	[00:35]
assbot	shitco.in \| The Bitcoin XT Trojan ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwckBo )	[00:35]
assbot	'openbsd 5.8 pre-orders' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwcj0r )	[00:35]
asciilifeform	and yes, they keep all in 'excel.' because gott mit uns or something	[00:35]
pete_dushenski	"First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine" << lel. this one's for adam_obrien	[00:37]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: who wrote this ?	[00:37]
pete_dushenski	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn94d/first_mike_tyson_bitcoin_atm_is_launched_sorry/	[00:37]
assbot	First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj )	[00:37]
asciilifeform	no, not that	[00:37]
asciilifeform	the 'xt trojan' piece	[00:37]
BingoBoingo	who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ? << Some locales it is fishing with dynamite	[00:38]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: it is surprisingly sane	[00:38]
BingoBoingo	First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj ) << Welcome to the Terror DOme	[00:38]
assbot	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn94d/first_mike_tyson_bitcoin_atm_is_launched_sorry/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjYwt )	[00:38]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: http://shitco.in/author/mike1337/ << 'goat'	[00:38]
assbot	shitco.in \| Author \| goat ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjYfT )	[00:39]
asciilifeform	wasn't 'goat' a sc4mz0r of some description ?	[00:39]
asciilifeform	or is there more than one	[00:39]
pete_dushenski	https://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/ << may be same as this mike ?	[00:39]
assbot	Mike the Crypto Goat \| Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkk1s4 )	[00:39]
asciilifeform	at any rate, it is astonishingly factual, at first glance	[00:40]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Multiple goats	[00:40]
pete_dushenski	the timelines add up. first post on shitco.in on may 4, 2015. last post on wp site on feb 27, 2015	[00:40]
asciilifeform	will be interesting to see what mircea_popescu makes of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245011	[00:41]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 03:33:24; pete_dushenski: http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/	[00:41]
hanbot	asciilifeform so lemme get something straight here:	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why surprising ? nobody seriously thought women were in there.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	glaringly, no mention of therealbitcoin	[00:49]
asciilifeform	but all else is a good exposition.	[00:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the chumpers, one might suppose, thought this	[00:50]
asciilifeform	hanbot: hm?	[00:50]
hanbot	"orchestra" supercedes "rotor" which supercedes "stator", and the v versioning system is usable (as-is) for "orchestra" only, correct?	[00:50]
asciilifeform	orchestra consists of precisely the same patches which made it into rel1 and those which are being considered by mod6 and ben_vulpes for inclusion in rel2	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i'm not reading random expose of random derp hoping to matter. sorry.	[00:51]
asciilifeform	hanbot: in its present condition, it supercedes nothing at all, except for the laborious 'here's where to get all the patches and how they depend on each other' docs	[00:52]
asciilifeform	hanbot: it will, possibly, supercede these if and when ben_vulpes, mod6, et al, agree that my current approach is correct.	[00:52]
pete_dushenski	gnite all!	[00:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50352 @ 0.00067691 = 34.0838 BTC [-] {4}	[00:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it has snapshots of choice hearnias, with commentary	[00:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and a more-or-less accurate (for a non-#b-a denizen) outline of events re: same.	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	good for it. i dun know the author and don't care what he might wish to say one way or the other.	[00:53]
asciilifeform	skip the parts where he talks, then	[00:54]
asciilifeform	(thing is full of screen caps of hearn & gavin and their code, doing their thing.)	[00:54]
hanbot	asciilifeform okay. but supposing i want to try out your versioning system & sign it and all, i -need- the "orchestra" build, do i not?	[00:55]
asciilifeform	anyone who doesn't care for the 'entomology' here - can safely skip whole shebang.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	they're taken from other people.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	hanbot: you will, yes. but it is not a build, presently. only a set of patches re-created with vdiff and signed - currently by myself only.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	the thing's basically a usgism, in spirit if not in form.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	"here's my picture in front of the pyramids"	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	w/.	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	w/e.	[00:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: entomological interest only, yes.	[00:55]
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mircea_popescu	im not saying you shouldn't read it or anything, but you asked me what i make of it. i don't.	[00:56]
hanbot	asciilifeform oh, i see. thanks!	[00:56]
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mircea_popescu	re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it.	[01:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0006759 = 12.9097 BTC [-] {3}	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	the value proposition of ashley madison reads something likle "you too can be ALMOST like one of those dudes that cheats on his wife. except, you won't ever get caught, because... you're not ACTUALLY doing it"	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	which is why the breach is particularly ruinous to them. as seinfeld said, "that's why divorce is so traumatic : you've been impeached, and i wasn't even the president!"	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	there might have been some hookers working the cream off the top, those 1-2% oif males that finally got the nerve together to actually GASP!~1 meet someone after 10 or so years of derping around on the site.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand, given the stolid stupidity of those chicks on camwhores.com or w/e offered bitcoin.... safer bet is "no".	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	Ashley Madison at some point took in serious fiat though. They had prominent TV ads which means either VC suckers or customer suckers	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	vc suckers.	[01:05]
BingoBoingo	Could be both, seems they hooked Tony Blair	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	males are notoriously stupid.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	the only reason there isn't a cock eating rock somewhere is pure chance. otherwise, if it offered a hole, it'd eat well enough.	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	Of course. I mean Mr. Tusk fucked the shit out of that penguin.	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	lol	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	re:walrus can not reccoment Kevin SMith's 'Tusk' enough, because... [spoiler redacted]	[01:07]
BingoBoingo	Yes plenty of CanadiaMerican retardation, but... actually the five line synopis and punchline may be enough	[01:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00069422 = 17.8415 BTC [+]	[01:09]
BingoBoingo	Premise it totally improved though by seeing bad thing happen to actor who was the face of OS X for so long	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	"Established Men, a website dedicated to pairing up beautiful young women with successful older men." << - >> http://trilema.com/2013/the-gentlemen-prefer-coeds-club/	[01:14]
assbot	The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JxR3lb )	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	good idea, too bad they failed.	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo im half-amused that the "mainstream media" fails to connect the fetlife story to the ashley madison story.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	what exactly does "investigative" mean anymore ?	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	buncha derps couldn't find their way out of a nonexistent paper bag, yet wish to have a "profession" and get "salaries". why "? for what ?	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	"they need it!!1"	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	riiite.	[01:17]
asciilifeform	as if it weren't obvious what it means	[01:18]
asciilifeform	the sacramental http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916	[01:18]
assbot	Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	im sure it pays the bills.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	that 'unhappen' button, it never seems to wear out.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	always a nice, satisfying -click-zap-	[01:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98841 @ 0.00070506 = 69.6888 BTC [+] {4}	[01:22]
asciilifeform	l0l, hearnia ssl is back!	[01:22]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23#diff-11780fa178b655146cb414161c635219R112	[01:22]
assbot	Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JkbXbv )	[01:22]
asciilifeform	hardcoded certs, even.	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	the lolcow that just keeps giving	[01:23]
asciilifeform	whole shebang worth reading, for the patient	[01:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30351 @ 0.000706 = 21.4278 BTC [+]	[01:23]
asciilifeform	or qntraists	[01:23]
asciilifeform	https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/commit/73c9efe74c5cc8faea9c2b2c785a2f5b68aa4c23#diff-20ca0fc983bf911ac1076a201d6cd491R4 << ban list, supposedly of 'tor' users, but dynamically updated at all times.	[01:23]
assbot	Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jkc0Ea )	[01:24]
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asciilifeform	'Future... ...Design a protocol to let user wallets gain priority by proving ownership of coin age, as they tend to have short lived connections and roam around different IPs, but we still want to serve them ahead of long term idling connections.' << lulzy. hearn would have all nodes run hotwallet to 'prove coin age'	[01:26]
asciilifeform	translated for humans, means 'if you wanna talk, prove you're a leaf node running hearnia. and don't pretend to be infrastructural node, we know who they are already and i don't recall selling you a license'	[01:27]
asciilifeform	'CIPGroupData... A group of logically related IP addresses. Useful for banning or deprioritising sources of abusive traffic/DoS attacks.' << that would be, presumably, us.	[01:28]
asciilifeform	'Calculate the priority of the new IP to see if we should drop it immediately (normal) or kick one of the other peers out to make room for it.' -- are you a plebe, or a loyal servant of the crown	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	"priority" by proving ownership	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	as foretold by alf a year or so ago,	[01:30]
asciilifeform	my arse foretells!	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	back when hearn wasn't even a shitstain on his owner's pants yet.	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	pretty funny to see just what communitard understood of bitcoin lol.	[01:31]
asciilifeform	curl_easy_setopt(curl, CURLOPT_URL, "https://check.torproject.org/exit-addresses");	[01:31]
asciilifeform	for fuxxsake	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	ahahahah	[01:31]
asciilifeform	and, gentlemen, get yer barf buckets,	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	i dunno why all the "bitcoin fork" derpage. this really is solidcoin v2.0	[01:31]
asciilifeform	if (cert == NULL) {	[01:31]
asciilifeform	+ // This should never happen.	[01:31]
asciilifeform	+ LogPrintf("ipgroups: Could not parse hard-coded cert ");	[01:31]
asciilifeform	+ BIO_free(bio);	[01:31]
asciilifeform	+ return CURLE_OK; // Proceed anyway.	[01:31]
asciilifeform	+ }	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	same haphazard style.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	you're prolly not old enough for it, but if yo uare THAT patient, asciilifeform dig up the old solidcoin stuff. it was a goldmine.	[01:32]
asciilifeform	actually iirc i did dig it out	[01:33]
asciilifeform	at mircea_popescu's instigation	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about.	[01:33]
asciilifeform	and yes, quite reminiscent.	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the same, oh, it's broken ? no problem pinoy fix!	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	(contrary to his pretense, the man can't actually code / has never actually written anything / etc)	[01:34]
asciilifeform	no reason he couldn't use the conventional gs-9 through 12 or whatnot monkey fleet	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	yes reason.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	you ever been in a bureaucracy ?	[01:35]
asciilifeform	sure.	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	"fuck you get lost"	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	"but i have deadlines!!!"	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	"fuck your mother too."	[01:35]
asciilifeform	if i had to guess, would guess that they farm it out filipino-style - but internally	[01:35]
asciilifeform	this produces the characteristic schizo flavour	[01:36]
asciilifeform	of the code.	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	it wouldn't be the first time us agent had to provide his own combat boots.	[01:36]
asciilifeform	the question of which monkey in the forest produced a particular stool sample, is perhaps interesting to ~someone~	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	i thought you were on an entomological kick.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245138 << i dare say that this or similar scenario is unlikely. the 'rent-a-slave' outfits are largely helpless when asked for anything other than wwwtronic proggy	[01:40]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 04:32:13; mircea_popescu: the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	your snipped above looks wwwtronic enough.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	even elementary cpp appears to be far beyond the abilities of the subscribers.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	but i could be wrong about this.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	"CURLE_OK" in particular is an abomination upon nomenclature.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	i can offer no logical explanation for ^	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	anyway, another batch of tests returns. the chain as currently seen longest, 370657 tall does in fact verify throughout in all presentations.	[01:43]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: elaborate ?	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	i've been burning at it for > month by now, but the ~7 different spots that at times seemed dubious carry no significance or import.,	[01:44]
asciilifeform	(what means 'all presentations' ? what bitcoinatron(s) used ?)	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well you recall how we had a number of locks and dubious forks etc since june ?	[01:44]
asciilifeform	aha?	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	all of mine + all of yours.	[01:44]
asciilifeform	neato.	[01:44]
asciilifeform	consider a post to the ml, even	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	i am, but i don't wish to say exactly what i tested ;/	[01:45]
asciilifeform	(for those mythical ben_vulpess who read only ml but not #b-a)	[01:45]
asciilifeform	l0l	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	my life sucks.	[01:45]
*	asciilifeform sometimes finds himself wondering how much mircea_popescu's apparatus actually differs from therealbitcoin	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	numerously but not significantly. atm i actually regard it more like a legacy disused tool, sort of a reference put aside anyway.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	that being teh scant joy in otherwise generously daily distress.	[01:47]
asciilifeform	lulzy, this is how herr handle described nsa 'suite a' ciphers	[01:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.0006972 = 4.3575 BTC [-]	[01:48]
asciilifeform	did mircea_popescu (or anyone else) run a full sync with -verifyall ?	[01:52]
asciilifeform	(on therealbitcoin, naturally)	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	not full, only from my checkpoints.	[01:53]
asciilifeform	ah.	[01:53]
asciilifeform	because afaik no one has yet done this.	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://dpaste.com/1MPBA2K	[01:54]
assbot	dpaste: 1MPBA2K ... ( http://bit.ly/1TUF9fU )	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	hand-spam. because apparently teppy and whoever else are actually worth this now.	[01:54]
asciilifeform	and l0l, in usd no less	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	premium 25 bux.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	i take it back, my life doens't suck.	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	in other news,	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	Archimedes P Sapitula 270 Summit Ave Jersey City, NJ 07306. Age 42 (Born Jun 1973) (201) 433-1410. Background Check - Available. Record ID: 572584016.	[01:58]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150819/genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch << seeing 'chicken' all in one file sorta reminds me that the thing is finite and pretty small, and can be grasped. almost.	[01:58]
assbot	Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1TUFsHN )	[01:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9035 @ 0.00069375 = 6.268 BTC [-] {2}	[02:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14627 @ 0.000706 = 10.3267 BTC [+]	[02:04]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> because afaik no one has yet done this. << I have 2x completed full sync with -verifyall. And I have further attemps #3 & #4 >300`000 blocks atm.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	word.	[02:08]
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tripleslash	Why the need for full sync --verifyall? What'd I miss?	[02:18]
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mircea_popescu	paranoia.	[02:22]
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mircea_popescu	!up coldbleed	[02:33]
-assbot-	You voiced coldbleed for 30 minutes.	[02:33]
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mircea_popescu	!up Birdman	[02:33]
-assbot-	You voiced Birdman for 30 minutes.	[02:33]
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hanbot	no luck for me v genesis (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html); genesis.sh produces empty vpatch: http://dpaste.com/2KD5AB5	[02:34]
assbot	dpaste: 2KD5AB5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1C0Y )	[02:34]
Birdman	Hello, im getting the OTP when i ask for voice, but im not sure what to do past that	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	put it in gpg	[02:34]
Birdman	I try to open it, but it says it cant find a program to open with	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	curl http://w.b-a.link/otp/90f89eec52021b96 \| gpg	[02:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1MFC )	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	hanbot do you have the whole set of antecedents ?	[02:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00069373 = 13.5277 BTC [-]	[02:38]
hanbot	yeah, but in a different dir, heh. moving, rerunning.	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	:)	[02:39]
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Birdman	Coldbleed is someone i had been talking to about the WoT and -assets so i directed him here	[02:40]
punkman	mircea_popescu: curl http://w.b-a.link/otp/90f89eec52021b96 \| gpg << I wonder if this can blow up in a spectacular way	[02:41]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm1MFC )	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	the possibility seems remote.	[02:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00069201 = 20.4489 BTC [-]	[02:43]
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mod6	hanbot: the basic issue is that this line in asciilifeform's script: vdiff a b > genesis.vpatch	[02:46]
mod6	doesn't match up with the file that comes from the email:	[02:46]
mod6	vdiff_42f0e9ea2da5aefd21d4dace0bcb6bf5dddaad40.sh	[02:46]
punkman	nor does it match genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch	[02:47]
mod6	so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch"	[02:47]
punkman	(oh wait, disregard my statement)	[02:48]
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mod6	<+mod6> alright, so I created this script: http://dpaste.com/04DJKKA.txt << take a look here for reference	[02:48]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7c0j )	[02:48]
mod6	wondering if you end up with the same ubuntu error I get here: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt	[02:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw5OdX )	[02:49]
mod6	... then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << bah. should read: "./vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch"	[02:50]
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punkman	"I wonder what happens when there's a giant flaming mushroom cloud in your neighborhood and no one publishes a word" https://medium.com/@cmphku/chinese-media-and-the-tianjin-disaster-3bd98a6fac44	[02:55]
assbot	Chinese Media and the Tianjin Disaster — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm3tmc )	[02:55]
punkman	"No, we were not hacked. 'Deez Nuts' is the legal name of the candidate and he is polling at 9 percent in NC: http://abc11.com/947054/ "	[03:02]
punkman	lol	[03:02]
assbot	Page Not Found \| abc11.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjJ6zD )	[03:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32100 @ 0.00069429 = 22.2867 BTC [+] {6}	[03:04]
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punkman	http://untappedcities.com/2015/03/30/cities-101-the-mythic-undercover-yellow-taxi-cab-nypd-cop-car/	[03:05]
assbot	Cities 101: The Mythic Undercover Yellow Taxi Cab NYPD Cop Car \| Untapped Cities ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm4jzp )	[03:05]
punkman	http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/telecom/662184/	[03:06]
assbot	Bomb scares end SIM registration holiday \| Bangkok Post: business ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lm4r1O )	[03:06]
punkman	you can still buy unregistered SIMs in US, right?	[03:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.000706 = 9.6369 BTC [+] {2}	[03:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00067999 = 43.3154 BTC [-] {3}	[03:19]
punkman	https://www.reddit.com/r/adultery/comments/3ebn29/i_single_gay_man_from_saudi_arabia_could_be/	[03:23]
assbot	I (single gay man from Saudi Arabia) Could be Stoned to Death if Ashley Madison Records Are Leaked : adultery ... ( http://bit.ly/1JjKrWY )	[03:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22431 @ 0.00067991 = 15.2511 BTC [-]	[03:28]
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hanbot	so i ended up chaging the file name to "vdiff.sh" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: "vdiff.sh a b > genesis.vpatch" << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error!	[03:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00067991 = 33.0436 BTC [-]	[03:42]
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thestringpuller	http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/ << whoa this is a great story	[04:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39325 @ 0.00070381 = 27.6773 BTC [+] {4}	[04:23]
hanbot	hey mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1675NTK	[04:23]
assbot	dpaste: 1675NTK ... ( http://bit.ly/1MF0VAc )	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	bwhahaha.	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	hanbot when do you figure that can be published ?	[04:29]
hanbot	"two weeks"(tm)?	[04:30]
thestringpuller	https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000001416a613602d73bbe5c79170fd8f39d509896b829cf9021e << 2nd block from slush's pool with bip-102 vote	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	actually, let's just do a summary an' leave it at that. ex-wife of ex-respectable bitcointards community member pm's MPOE-PR on forum about how she's been exactly right about X, he stole buncha cash from her, "you got it spot on except for X minor detail" sorta thing.	[04:31]
mircea_popescu	in other news, "Dear customer, We are sorry, Your PayPal account has been limited until we here from you"	[04:38]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43598 << LOL. If you had a Bitcoin for every time someone eventually told you "You were right"...wait...	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	can always use more bitcoinz.	[04:40]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, the new log color thing totally hoses my browser.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	so now i can't fucking use the log anymore. can i has revert ?	[05:08]
punkman	lol how	[05:08]
punkman	already using racist browser?	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	i has nfi but it hoses even if i purge js	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	i imagine it must badly implement dom-something or the other.	[05:12]
punkman	I don't run js on log and it works fine	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	good for you. i'd expect anyone sane runs fine. but mine chokes ;/	[05:13]
punkman	I just can't see the extra "style="background:#f9f9ec " hosing anything, but who knows	[05:14]
punkman	hmm if you turn color off there are some stray quotes:	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	i don't have the color on.	[05:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00070774 = 28.5573 BTC [+] {3}	[05:20]
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punkman	"The most horrifying moment of my employment at Amazon was the time I was using the toilet and a coworker began talking from the stall next to me. He asked me why I had not responded to his very pressing email. I closed my eyes and pretended this wasn’t happening. What email could be so important that it could not wait five minutes for me to use the bathroom?"	[05:25]
punkman	"He began tapping on the wall between our stalls, asking why I wouldn’t respond, as if inter-stall conversation should be a totally normal, not disgusting means of communication."	[05:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31432 @ 0.00070901 = 22.2856 BTC [+] {2}	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/v-genesis.txt	[05:29]
assbot	Error ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGCVcP )	[05:29]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	coolness.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ^	[05:29]
punkman	"You'll have to do s/ \|GPG\|/ / to recover the vpatch." << why not gpg -d?	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	huh ?	[05:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43066 @ 0.00070998 = 30.576 BTC [+] {2}	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	incidentally : if gpg had the fucking sense to include MORE information on its information line, we wouldn't have the problem with the dashes.	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	would it be so hard to have Hash: SHA512 Chars:593 ?	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	then it knows it needs to stop after 593 characters rather than look for dashes like a drunk mole.	[05:50]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014	[17:08]
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danielpbarron	yet another guy who "teaches the controversy" that the "debate" is whether to use 'Core' vs 'XT'	[17:09]
ascii_field	goodcop/badcop	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	in the current state this is actually fine. "debate core vs xt" misrepresentation is a degradation of "core consensus" prev state.	[17:10]
ascii_field	xt was 'bad cop' from day 1	[17:10]
ascii_field	(existed to make 'core' look like a decent thing)	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	yes. except this need wasn't perceived back in say 2013.	[17:10]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47863 @ 0.00069757 = 33.3878 BTC [-] {4}	[17:10]
ascii_field	when ~did~ 'xt' appear ?	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	hearn was added to support gavin almost as soon as gavin did his "presentation" at cia.	[17:11]
ascii_field	this i recall.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	but they were, according to usg, unknown. only recently were they moved from field to embassy duty	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	or as that works out in bitcoin, from "developers" to "XT team"	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	bah log still unusable.	[17:13]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3M0W299.txt << have a turd	[17:14]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1K9aOnS )	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	im reduced to using it through archive.today ffs.	[17:14]
felipelalli	if Bitcoin Core pushes forward to increase the block size, how to resist to it if the miners decide to support the fork? Any other version unsupported by the miners would be very vulnerable to attacks from the fork side?	[17:14]
ascii_field	kakobrekla: ^^	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	nope, cuts off.	[17:15]
ascii_field	kakobrekla: re: log	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	felipelalli suppose you actually read the logs.	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field thanks	[17:16]
felipelalli	!s fork	[17:16]
assbot	849 results for 'fork' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fork	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	"benzinga.com" ? wtf, your dragnet's too tight, picking everything	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	i bet alf's idea of microbiology work is "examine the bugs individually under microscope"	[17:17]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: actually, sometimes is.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	"fits in head" too ?	[17:17]
ascii_field	^ was why i got out of biology	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	this is a fine approach for computer viruses. for very good reasons i won't go into for the sake of not boring everyone.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	but it is a bad approach for actual microbiology. because, again, saltus.	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	!up mynameismud	[17:18]
-assbot-	You voiced mynameismud for 30 minutes.	[17:18]
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kakobrekla	yeah looking into it, checked and old backup copy of the file - still slow	[17:18]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: funnily, the saltus thing is applicable to modern crapware written by morons who slavishly copy one another with minor variations	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i use the log daily and the problem only started maybe 2 days ago. somehow.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field yes, because biology creeps in.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	it's also applicabe to things like "internet websites", for the same reason. hence the b-something comment above.	[17:19]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: i also noticed this. even dug in the payload, found nothing	[17:19]
ascii_field	but i'm no www magician	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	i'm tryin' to pass along to you the methodology knowledge of people in this field, ya know ?	[17:19]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu try now	[17:19]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: you're entirely correct re: spamatronics	[17:20]
ascii_field	somehow i wasn't thinking in that key.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla nope, still eats memory.	[17:20]
kakobrekla	this now is 1 month old file	[17:20]
kakobrekla	so its not my code and wtf.	[17:20]
ascii_field	ddos?	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	nah.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla specifically what was i testing ? log.bitcoin-assets.com right ?	[17:21]
kakobrekla	yes	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	could there be a cache involved ?	[17:21]
kakobrekla	naw	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	but i guarantee this was not present 1 month ago, or even a week ago.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	because i bitched within 5 minutes.	[17:22]
ascii_field	aha	[17:22]
kakobrekla	i started noticing a slowdown 7-10 days ago	[17:22]
ascii_field	it started on or very close to the hour when the colours were introduced.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	ima pore through this file now see wtf.	[17:22]
kakobrekla	but its not the colors!	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	might not be... i noticed after they were introdfuced tho	[17:22]
ascii_field	same	[17:23]
kakobrekla	there is no colors in the code now, still slow	[17:23]
ascii_field	is there ANYTHING that wasn't there in june ?	[17:23]
mircea_popescu	https://validator.w3.org/check?uri=log.bitcoin-assets.com&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0	[17:23]
kakobrekla	fuck w3c	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	useless as usual.	[17:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0006751 = 14.1771 BTC [-]	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	Line 4051, Column 13: value of attribute "ID" invalid: "1" cannot start a name	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	because why.	[17:24]
ascii_field	'cause some twit	[17:24]
ascii_field	or perhaps - fortran	[17:24]
mircea_popescu	< those changed ?	[17:25]
*	ascii_field realized long ago that standards committees attract at least half a dozen distinct types of vermin. one of which is the sort of fella who vandalizes bus stops, carves initials in	[17:25]
trinque	the browser is the ultimate "make a name for myself" hell.	[17:26]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: why does that thing need js??!!!	[17:26]
danielpbarron	js is what makes the selected line (via url) turn yellow	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i just loaded a version without the head section	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	it works perfectly fine, 0 delay.	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	the problem is in the head.	[17:27]
kakobrekla	its always in the head.	[17:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8987 @ 0.00068582 = 6.1635 BTC [+]	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:28]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234461 << i've been listening to his podcast ever since his article on the dance party for the shamed fat guy; the show is just barely interesting to have on in the background thanks to his somewhat libertarian-leaning co-host, Dick Masterson. Maddox himself is a damn dirty socialist, and also a self-described 'programmer' who frequently speaks to the virtues of winbl0ws	[17:30]
assbot	Logged on 11-08-2015 06:07:22; trinque: man, I love Maddox so much	[17:30]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/log.html << check that version out. it loads fine, at least for me.	[17:32]
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mircea_popescu	the only thing i changed is the head, now it reads	[17:32]
trinque	danielpbarron: man, he's a socialist? that's disappointing.	[17:32]
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trinque	I'm speaking from having read maddox.xmission.com long ago	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron lotta people are sorta like that, really. the hope and expectaton of a "greatness of the people" is hard to shake.	[17:33]
kakobrekla	try log now pls	[17:34]
kakobrekla	f5 also	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	felipelalli or alternatively the cannonical texts on the topic. http://trilema.com/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal http://trilema.com/lets-address-even-more-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal http://trilema.com/third-pass-addressing-the-more-common-pseudo-a	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	rguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal	[17:35]
assbot	Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6g3 )	[17:35]
assbot	Let's address even more of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6g6 )	[17:35]
assbot	Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsD6gg )	[17:35]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla perfect now.	[17:35]
kakobrekla	fuckin hell.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	what was it ?	[17:35]
kakobrekla	css :\|	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	ahhh this is nice to get back.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	oh ?	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	but... my version loads css/all.css and still works ?	[17:35]
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kakobrekla	NFI	[17:35]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:36]
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ascii_field	worx	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	but listen... all i took out was the js!	[17:36]
kakobrekla	all i replaced was .css	[17:36]
felipelalli	mircea_popescu, thank you for the links! I was trying to find something relevant on log but I didn't so far.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	hm	[17:36]
trinque	some css selectors can be heavy to apply	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	trinque the file i uploaded uses the same css the not working log used tho, and worked fine!@	[17:37]
trinque	could be heavy depending on the structure of the markup	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	but i suppose it could be some mysterious css/js interaction	[17:38]
trinque	cause it has to search the whole DOM tree	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	it clearly looked like a badly done recursive search	[17:38]
trinque	can be narrowed by specifying IDs, using > to specify "just immediate child" etc	[17:38]
trinque	yep	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	i guess it COULD be that it actually rejected the provided ids "because they start with digit" and ending up with a soup ?	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	which...	[17:39]
trinque	it's one of those giant monstrosities that every simple question is hard to answer	[17:39]
trinque	*within which	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245067 : it occurs to me that this situation is not just pseudo-exchanges and fake dating sites etc. this is universally true of the web.	[17:39]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 03:59:34; mircea_popescu: re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it.	[17:39]
mircea_popescu	which is to say : there's two webs. one is the original web, which exclusively consists of non-interactive http served documents. this is the same it always was, more or less.	[17:40]
kakobrekla	a 'missing' 'overflow: hidden' was the cause	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	then there's a secopnd web, to use its own terminology web2.0. this is composed of ALL the sites that uses https, for any purpose. such as "logins" as if that makes any sense.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	these, without exception, are populated by idiots. without exception i say.	[17:40]
kakobrekla	how ? dunno, nobody could have foreseen.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	and what they do all day is, PRETEND like they're doing something.	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla win!	[17:41]
trinque	kakobrekla: heh was every line trying to figure out if it was going to be scrollable?	[17:41]
trinque	"reflow" is a bitch	[17:41]
kakobrekla	possibly	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	they pretend like they're advertising, but aren't actually reaching anyone. they pretend like they're socializing, but they're socialising with perl scripts (as per http://trilema.com/2014/spamming-reddit-an-experiment/ ). they pretend like they're doing banking except they aren't actually, and "cheating" on their wife with gif-provided motion and indian call center provided voice.	[17:42]
assbot	Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsDRpu )	[17:42]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: it's a wriggleysgumification	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	the web 2.0 has, basically, failed in all its promises except one. it does give monkleys something to play with.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	keeps em "busy" and "employed" and so forth.	[17:42]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced that there is enough 'genuine cheat' or whatnot to go around. hence, the simulacra.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	of course there isn'rt roflmao. what "go around" !	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	the moment you have go around in the sentence you've made it about "giving stuff to people who haven't earned it"	[17:43]
ascii_field	any more than there is enough toyota to 'go around' in zimbabwe	[17:43]
ascii_field	how else.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	so basically... yeah. the www is the new ghetto.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	"go hang out on a website or whatever it is your kind does", as it were.	[17:44]
ascii_field	orlov worked this subject in his hilarious 'dead souls'	[17:44]
ascii_field	http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html	[17:44]
assbot	ClubOrlov: Dead Souls ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsEaR6 )	[17:44]
ascii_field	kakobrekla: do the nauseating colours ~have~ to be default ?	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	well, i guess it's not novel nor really anything but the most banal observation.	[17:45]
kakobrekla	ascii_field f5	[17:45]
ascii_field	ah	[17:45]
ascii_field	ty kakobrekla	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	but to my own head it's a huge step forward. i guess i was coming at the internet from the wrong perspective. took a while to clear in my head heh.	[17:45]
kakobrekla	muh plesur	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	"With each passing week more and more of us become ready to concede that economic growth is no longer possible. Economic development, on the old model, which UN Secretary Ban Ki-moon recently characterized as a “global suicide pact,” is becoming constrained by the limits of natural resources of the finite planet, energy, arable land and fresh water foremost among them, and stressed further by extreme weather	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	events that increase in frequency due to the rapidly destabilizing climate." <<< ascii_field i'm sorry, what ?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	dude's not even wrong.	[17:46]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: just now noticed that one ?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	you quoted it to me ?	[17:46]
ascii_field	iirc mr o works it into every single piece somehow	[17:46]
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ascii_field	i don't barf from religion unless it genuinely interferes with the subject matter	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	i guess you'll have to provide offsets with your orlov links nao	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	which paragraph am i to start reading?	[17:48]
ascii_field	mr o, it appears, has somehow baked his whole mind around the idea that climatocalypse will cleanse away the sins of mankind	[17:48]
trinque	heh, I've hoped for this as well. wishful thinking.	[17:48]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: third	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	such nonsense.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	" What neither side seems to grasp is this: as the virtualized realm of cyberreality and social networking takes over daily life, the actual physical economy will matter less and less"	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	i'm sorry, what ? dude's not even wrong.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	a) what takes over ; b) what less and less. for starters.	[17:50]
ascii_field	nah, makes sense - build 100x fewer cars, let lusers watch films of cars, go 'vroom' in their minds	[17:50]
ascii_field	sorta why i brought it up re: the simulacra thread.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	how does this answer eiother a or b ?	[17:51]
ascii_field	wankatronics ('web 2') takes over	[17:51]
trinque	cannot last for very long at all, if it did	[17:52]
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ascii_field	trinque: for so long as it is displacing 'optional' items, rather than air, food (and can take considerable liberties with the latter!) - it lasts	[17:52]
ascii_field	and, naturally, while the herring in the scania sounds.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field "takes over" is not how you say this.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	if tomorrow all white dudes in the us go hang themselves, leaving all the black dudes	[17:53]
trinque	sounds more like learning carpentry at aushwitz	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	would you say this means "hanging has taken over the us" ?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	no, it did not.	[17:53]
ascii_field	i must have some 'css' filter in my skull that makes orlov make sense	[17:55]
thestringpuller	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/08WQAC0.txt	[17:55]
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ascii_field	but will try anyway	[17:56]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i think 'take over' here is in the sense microshit took over pc	[17:57]
ascii_field	in the sense that one ends up going to considerable lengths if wishing to avoid contact with it	[17:58]
trinque	sorta like a septic line taking over a basement	[17:58]
felipelalli	mircea_popescu, I read your articles. Actually I had read some parts before, but I read all over again. Unfortunately I didn't find the answer to my question. I understand that if miners just point to a "Scamcoin" (fork from Bitcoin) this is not Bitcoin, of course. But having them more hashpower, and the same type of hash function, this does not make the actual Bitcoin an "altcoin" and them vulnerable to attacks? (following the	[17:58]
felipelalli	idea of that other article of yours "The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies"")	[17:58]
ascii_field	trinque: aha.	[17:58]
trinque	but then the agency there is just a metaphor, so I can see the argument that nothing was "taken over"	[17:59]
felipelalli	mircea_popescu, in other words: the decision of majority of miners could literally kill the actual Bitcoin. Make it unusable.	[17:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12122 @ 0.00068183 = 8.2651 BTC [+]	[17:59]
kakobrekla	well it will be 2010 all over again	[18:00]
trinque	felipelalli: so then the actual bitcoin has fewer miners.	[18:00]
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mike_c	majority of miners = 60%? Then 40% of miners stay on bitcoin and blocks take.. 25 minutes?	[18:01]
mike_c	this is not unusable.	[18:01]
felipelalli	trinque, I know, but vulnerable. Miners could use a portion of their hashpower just to mess around with the actual Bitcoin.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i dunno how you do it, but yeah	[18:01]
kakobrekla	afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work	[18:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13110 @ 0.00068613 = 8.9952 BTC [+] {3}	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	felipelalli you did not read very carefully at all.	[18:01]
mike_c	in the meantime, everyone sane forks their coins, dumps the scam coin, and now the 60% miners are mining worthless coins.	[18:02]
trinque	^	[18:02]
mike_c	how long does that last?	[18:02]
kakobrekla	i think gavins version uses 90%	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#selection-169.0-169.15	[18:02]
assbot	Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGAzl )	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	you couldn't find that on your own for some reason ?	[18:02]
kakobrekla	everyone sane hahaha he said everyone sane.	[18:02]
mike_c	or insane :)	[18:02]
kakobrekla	insane keep their coins, sane wont touch exchanges	[18:03]
ascii_field	;;later tell BingoBoingo how's the riot	[18:04]
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mircea_popescu	that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	what's to keep him from doing this ?	[18:05]
felipelalli	mircea_popescu, I fully understood your point on that part, but it does not answer what if the miners decide to attack the actual Bitcoin making double spends, reverting transactions etc. They'll have this power. Read http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	nothing, really.	[18:05]
assbot	The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 )	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	yet lo and behold that not so many people drive their car through other people's doors.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	because it's their fucking car, and because if they fuck it up they don't get another one.	[18:05]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: except when they do	[18:05]
ascii_field	get another one	[18:05]
ascii_field	from friendly uncle usg.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	riiight.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	lemme put it plainly : if this were a unipolar world, it's not that bitcoin wouldn't exist. it's that it COULDNT.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	the world is not unipolar. even if, for various inhabitants of various rural places, it so appears.	[18:06]
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punkman	felipelalli: nobody can steal your coins if you just sit on them and don't spend for a while	[18:06]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	and has so appeared, since before the greeks were invented.	[18:06]
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trinque	hm, this brings to mind monotheism, as perhaps the source of this delusion of a singular agency over reality	[18:08]
trinque	or maybe just an expression of it	[18:08]
felipelalli	punkman, this is true, and this is my main use of Bitcoin. I wouldn't be affected. Good point. But this is a little contradictory with the article "there is no such thing as cryptocurrencies". The idea is "There Can Be Only One"	[18:08]
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mike_c	There can only be one.	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	christianity took over the decaying roman empire as the most concise, most popular embodiment of their hope and aspiration. the only such remaining - that even as they've failed, they still must survive "for there's nothing else".	[18:09]
mike_c	But miners don't get to pick it	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	it's a great faith for the defeated, and always popular with them	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	felipelalli that's exactly it : there can only be one, and miners don't pick it. mike has it.	[18:10]
thestringpuller	miners are the bitch of the economic majority which is MP, he decides.	[18:11]
thestringpuller	whether people like that or not is irrelevant	[18:12]
BingoBoingo	meat folks have a habit of changing skins << Deed's kinda contingent on identification being confirmed at all	[18:13]
ascii_field	wouldn't a complete picture include satoshi ?	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	well, teh frist 8 words stand, at any rate.	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	check it out thestringpuller you got better score than orlov.	[18:13]
felipelalli	thank you guys for the thoughts!	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	thoughts ? what thoughts. this is abuse. you want 12-c down the hall for thoughts.	[18:14]
mike_c	satoshi seems to just be holding the detonate button.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	the satosher errs only once!	[18:14]
BingoBoingo	ascii_field: Just found out about it coming back from mowing lawns. KMOX was talking about it. If Crown Candy Kitchen survives not much elso of value in North city	[18:14]
ascii_field	mike_c: could easily push same button as mircea_popescu	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	clit ?	[18:15]
ascii_field	(dump sc4mf0rk coins)	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	that also.	[18:15]
mike_c	could yes, but it feels like he'd be more likely to blow the whole fucking thing up for some reason rather than use his coins to influence policy.	[18:15]
mike_c	but who knows	[18:15]
trinque	ascii_field: damn, wouldn't that be a thing to watch.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	mike_c "some reason" aka it's fucking stupid and who the fuck does this to people, takes their napkin sketches and puts it in a frame above the mantelpiece!	[18:16]
felipelalli	mircea_popescu, lol	[18:16]
ascii_field	trinque: wonder if 'blow all up' would result in my ancient satoshicalypse pill being dug up and put to use	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	dja understand any minor mistake the man made PROTOTYPING is now preserved in billion dollars' worth of amber ?	[18:16]
mike_c	yeah, but, we're fixing the napkin. plz don't blow it up yet mr. satoshi.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	five fucking years later, you know	[18:17]
mike_c	we = foundation, I'm not doing anything.	[18:17]
trinque	ascii_field: which?	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	"oh, we're fixing it."	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea how any man can have the patience.	[18:17]
ascii_field	trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1009 << it	[18:17]
assbot	Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsImk2 )	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	but my involvement in bitcoin has been deeply educative through example	[18:17]
mike_c	Not exactly five years - It's a lot of work. This work wasn't necessarily worth it before enough people took the right notice and the project got some traction	[18:18]
mike_c	Meaning the fixing was only worth doing for a smaller number of years.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	i hope me and mike_c die in the same plane crash and i get to hear him talk it over with ol' paulie.	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	i dunno wtf you're doing programming computers yo. go be a negotiator.	[18:19]
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mike_c	my mother thought I should be a lawyer	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	yeah. in divorce court.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	put it straight out of business.	[18:19]
BingoBoingo	felipelalli: i have no idea, but iirc mircea_popescu dislikes him << Two different goats	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	mike the goat is not the same as pedo the goat.	[18:20]
thestringpuller	pedo the goat is the thailand guy right?	[18:20]
trinque	ascii_field: ah yep, read that. and it wouldn't surprise me if A was an intentional kill switch, even less so with the hypothetical "failed project"	[18:21]
trinque	perhaps that was a veiled threat to use the bomb	[18:21]
ascii_field	trinque: read to the end.	[18:21]
ascii_field	spoiler: the anti-bomb is to make satoshi's blocks unspendable.	[18:22]
ascii_field	(and yes, that's forkspeak)	[18:22]
trinque	yep, read that too	[18:22]
ascii_field	but if the bomb fell,	[18:22]
trinque	something something precedent something socialism	[18:22]
ascii_field	that would be the only surviving fork!	[18:22]
ascii_field	the other one - dead.	[18:22]
ascii_field	economically unminable, even.	[18:23]
trinque	I dunno if I like having some kind of mob social mechanism to declare coins uncoined	[18:23]
trinque	and yet, yes, could kill the thing otherwise	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	there is nothing wrong with preserving the originator's exercisable right to end his progeniture.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	heck, the absence of social recognition for this is why i won't have kids.	[18:24]
ascii_field	^	[18:24]
trinque	yeah, if satoshi says "dead" I'm inclined to respect	[18:24]
ascii_field	the inventor is always at war with everyone else.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	^	[18:24]
ascii_field	'tis true	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	more like alf's version than trinque's version.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	the war needn't end.	[18:24]
ascii_field	i live on both sides of this.	[18:24]
trinque	not dead in that "no more cryptocurrencies"	[18:25]
trinque	but sure, I geddit	[18:25]
ascii_field	inventors live, typically, with a strong but arguably justifiable sense of being scammed by their fellow man collectively.	[18:25]
trinque	supposing it ends up expected that clients have a sort of "spam" list of bitcoin addresses they ignore	[18:25]
trinque	not a pleasant thought	[18:25]
ascii_field	one hypothesis of mine is that the 'anti-bomb' will help not at all unless dropped ~prior~ to the s-bomb	[18:26]
ascii_field	because proscribing the blocks later won't un-stampede the sell-panickers	[18:26]
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ascii_field	and won't un-mix the mixed s-coin when it ends up everywhere	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	since we're doing nonsense ("you can't teach a class in nonsense. but the history of nonsnese - that's scholarship!"), can anyone explain why exactly would a hard fork not start with its own genesis ? outside of the fundamentally fraudulent, pious or otherwise, attempt to pretend like it's something it is most assuredly not ?	[18:27]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: only reason is to hitch a phree ride on the existing allocations	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	so basically, free fork === new genesis block anyway.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	i mean.	[18:28]
ascii_field	rather than deal with premining (or accusations thereof) and the whole orchestra.	[18:28]
punkman	you can't fork the chain at genesis	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	so basically, hard fork === new genesis block anyway.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field youre not required to starty it at 1 diff.	[18:28]
ascii_field	regardless of where you start the diff,	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	all the altcoin scammers ever did, of course, but for a very transparent reason.	[18:28]
ascii_field	early miners have massive advantage.	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[18:28]
ascii_field	well, you can't start at ~very~ massive diff	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[18:29]
ascii_field	because then you get millenium-long block times	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	"here's the hard fork. mine the first block or go away"	[18:29]
ascii_field	(with the hash power typically available to a forker)	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	that'd have been the HONEST approach to xt, were xt actually powered by the stuff they claim it to be powered by.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	if genuinely users were constricted by nonsensical rules which inept conservatives maintained out of sheer lunacy,	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	then they could always have done it properly, like above. heck, they still do.	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	"oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc for mining a block, here or there. each hash is worth the same.	[18:31]
ascii_field	a fork that doesn't switch workfunction is ipso facto a fraud	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	it COULD just switch genesis.	[18:31]
ascii_field	done umpteen times	[18:31]
ascii_field	gets difficultywanked to death.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	perfectly valid fork that doesn't run into (the mostly valid) problem you raise.	[18:31]
BingoBoingo	afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work << 75% for just 1 week. Decides to fuck off faster than difficulty decides between anal and blow job.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	nononon. nonononoNO!	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	new genesis, same difficulty.	[18:32]
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ascii_field	"oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc << can't transact!	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	you can, if you mine it.	[18:32]
kakobrekla	BingoBoingo yeah i wasnt clear, 75% over 1k blocks which is 1 week + 2week 'grace' period	[18:32]
kakobrekla	or what	[18:32]
kakobrekla	;;google bip101	[18:32]
gribble	Stephen Pair on Twitter: "We support the adoption of BIP 101 for ...: ; Stephen Pair: BitPay supports the adoption of BIP 101 for increasing ...: ; Blocktrail now shows pools supporting 8MB blocks and BIP101 ...: (1 more message)	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	!rated slush	[18:32]
assbot	You have not rated slush.	[18:32]
kakobrekla	;;google bip101 github	[18:33]
gribble	BIP: 101 - GitHub: ; Implement BIP101: Increase maximum blocksize · Issue ... - GitHub: ; gavinandresen (Gavin Andresen) · GitHub:	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	!rate slush -10 fuckwit	[18:33]
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mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.slush.-10:32bc6c42d2abe961351b640351fa93b57b39fb751ee8ffa2f040ca50fa101109	[18:33]
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kakobrekla	wait bip101 is autherd by ga and suggest 8mb	[18:33]
ascii_field	you can, if you mine it. << that requires - shudder - actual resources!	[18:33]
kakobrekla	wasnt there a 20mb version also	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla iirc they're at 133 mb now.	[18:34]
trinque	because why not	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	just numbers.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	and you want a bigger amount of just number.	[18:34]
BingoBoingo	that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door. << Incidently used care prices are finally returning to "normal" pre-Obola-cash-for-clunkers depreciation curve. Thousand dollar cars are a thing again. Soon it will probably be possible to acquire a car capable of providi	[18:34]
BingoBoingo	ng its own motion for three digits again. Thank you China!	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	this is how you plan to make your boat ?	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field obviously. i'm just saying, you know, here's where the shore is. for all the puddles pretending to be rivers.	[18:35]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: nah, it's where mars is.	[18:36]
ascii_field	yes, we know where.	[18:36]
ascii_field	now buy me a ticket.	[18:36]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[18:38]
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mircea_popescu	punkman http://dpaste.com/2YG643G	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	now what.	[18:38]
assbot	dpaste: 2YG643G ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsMnVn )	[18:38]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: it robs whitespace.	[18:39]
ascii_field	capriciously, maliciously.	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	hey, he made a statement.	[18:39]
ascii_field	because tards.	[18:39]
punkman	mircea_popescu: you added newlines?	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	well you can readily see what i added, it's all in there	[18:40]
punkman	I don't see trailing spaces/tabs/etc	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	the text reads "append as many trailing spaces/tabs/CRs as you like to the clearsigned text"	[18:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00069714 = 7.808 BTC [+]	[18:41]
ascii_field	briefly back to earlier thread, i hypothesize that is s-bomb falls, the 'counter-bomb' is a schelling point.	[18:41]
mircea_popescu	about as pointy as litecoin.	[18:41]
ascii_field	i, for instance, am not any more thrilled about satoshi's blocks being spendable than a german in 1945 was re: the trotyl that hitler ordered planted on everything worth half a broken pfenning	[18:42]
ascii_field	(not carried out, because they weren't morons..)	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i thought you had no money, what do you care.	[18:42]
ascii_field	i want a dead usg.	[18:42]
ascii_field	there is exactly one weapon.	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	lol simmar down	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	fucking lettuce's a weapon.,	[18:43]
ascii_field	if thrown well!	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	"does it grow on dead body ? " "ayep" "then it's dangerous weapon for usg"	[18:43]
ascii_field	it also occurs to me that an anti-bombed bitcoin is only a hardfork ~if~ the bomb falls.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245331 << mebbe a blessing, this. sometimes mine takes 3 hours, i'm on like the fifth cup of very milky capuccino...	[18:45]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 12:05:32; jurov: interesting how my brunch, coffee and b-a time so often falls into time where channel is silent	[18:45]
ascii_field	when i wrote that essay, and there was no positive reaction to it, i concluded that bitcoin users are just too fond of fellating the invisible cock of the anonymous microshit vs wizard, to care half a damn	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245346 << amusingly, people don't tend to do that much.	[18:46]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 13:16:47; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245242 << can't wait for the 'i am usg stoolie and will be stoned to death if $leak is leaked'	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field there are two undistinguishable reasons for silent answer. one's that no one heard.	[18:47]
ascii_field	nah, enough folks heard.	[18:48]
ascii_field	but reaction was, unsurprisingly, 'this is satanic'	[18:49]
ascii_field	hell, i don't find it esp. appetizing, either.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245360 << yeah well, allow me to welcome youy in the wonderful world of soviet bureaucracy. the guns were delivered at kiev. the men were delivered at odessa. the ammunition was left behind. inexplicably, the front fell.	[18:50]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 13:20:14; BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about. << Gavin's eariler marketing campaign made this autumn the latest they could do this.	[18:50]
punkman	mircea_popescu: I was wrong on the CR part, not sure on the exact set of whitespace chars it will happily eat, but it's probably more than tabs and spaces. example: http://dpaste.com/18QBJJY.txt	[18:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1K9p7IZ )	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	yeah agreed punkman	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	just making the point that it's fucking impossible to predict wtf it does	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	much what alf was sayin	[18:54]
punkman	you can convert between , and without problems though	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	still, these perfectly valid technical objections aside - signed is deeply inferior to clearsigned. this is a fact, and it won't change.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	the correct solution is to reimplement pgp and make it behave re clearsign.	[18:55]
punkman	I was also trying to make a point about the \|GPG\| prefix being useless	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	well, no. it works as intended : if you extract all the prefixed lines and wipe the prefix, you get the original text.	[18:55]
punkman	it'd have worked with dashes just as well	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	no, because diff creates --- lines	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	which turn into - ---	[18:56]
punkman	so you remove "- " instead of "\|GPG\|".	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	and it's necessarily safe to s/\|GPG\|// than to s/- //	[18:56]
BingoBoingo	lolipinos https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrijf/in_no_less_than_six_years_of_block_size_increases/	[18:56]
assbot	In no less than six years of block size increases XTCoin would be a defanged and impotent caricature of actual Bitcoin. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9pvHs )	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	"This shit from Mircea and friends is incomprehensible. And probably exactly wrong."	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that's how it works. totally/	[18:58]
BingoBoingo	Even though it links to all the times Mircea was right and doesn't have Mircea on the byline	[18:58]
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mircea_popescu	it's still probably exactly wrong!!!	[18:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.0006987 = 24.8737 BTC [+]	[19:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4972 @ 0.00068014 = 3.3817 BTC [-] {2}	[19:07]
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mircea_popescu	anwyay, this is a perfectly fine time to move hashing away from slush, if anyone was looking.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	"good guys" gotta at some point comprehend the jwz future is no future.	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	let him be "oh, that xt pool operator" and hang with it.	[19:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.0006984 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {5}	[19:10]
BingoBoingo	I was kinda iffy about him with the whole Trezor thing	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	oh that shit still exists even ?	[19:12]
BingoBoingo	Not really sure	[19:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110000 @ 0.00067282 = 74.0102 BTC [-] {6}	[19:17]
jurov	kakobrekla/mike_c , is there any public source for mpex trades (other than mpex.coinbr.com) that does not mutilate data?	[19:18]
kakobrekla	i have one	[19:19]
jurov	live.coinbr.com i mean	[19:19]
jurov	well, i was troubleshooting coinbr transaction "2015-08-19T22:31:42+00:00", B 53950, "S.MPOE" @ 68266 but it got put together with others and then published in channel	[19:20]
jurov	and say i wanted to convince coinbr customer that yes, it happened	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	why would customer need convincing ?	[19:21]
jurov	cuz i must still occassionally fix coinbr history	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	yes but traditionally the way broker works is that he allocates his trades. so... you say it happened, you have a block it could have happenbed in, that's it.	[19:24]
kakobrekla	http://query.bitcoin-assets.com/?data=trades&since=1440023481 first line	[19:24]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1K9teop )	[19:24]
jurov	kakobrekla: wow.	[19:25]
kakobrekla	what	[19:26]
jurov	!s uery.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:27]
assbot	0 results for 'uery.bitcoin-assets.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=uery.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:27]
jurov	!s query.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:28]
assbot	1 results for 'query.bitcoin-assets.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=query.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:28]
kakobrekla	i didnt publish the link really.	[19:28]
jurov	nothing, i just had no idea	[19:28]
*	jurov 's gonna dictionary ping *.bitcoin-assets.com to see if there's more :D	[19:31]
jurov	;;isup bait.bitcoin-assets.com	[19:31]
gribble	bait.bitcoin-assets.com is up	[19:31]
jurov	wut???	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[19:31]
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jurov	it's wildcard record.. duh	[19:34]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245376 << which is why the only possible answers are violence or submission, which is why the inane bitching on social media sounds just like she's playing coy but enjoyed it, and which is also why "a society without violence" can not in point of fact function.	[19:39]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 13:35:55; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245271 << this is not an 'urgent message' but a 'lowering ritual.'	[19:39]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245396 << imo it's just a leftover magic thinking thing. "oh if i keep the kid's name a secret evil witches can't steal his soul".	[19:41]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 13:57:50; asciilifeform: what's wrong with NAMES ?	[19:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0007016 = 19.4343 BTC [+]	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245446 << well, it wasn't really his car. think of the us more in terms of a casino. he was allowed one spin on the casino's car, and then if he wanted another spin he had to give them another ticket.	[19:43]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 14:26:53; mike_c: so, Jared drives to the prostitute, gets busted, and has to pay the feds not to seize the car he drove there in?	[19:43]
mats	http://www.foxbusiness.com/economy-policy/2015/08/20/futures-slump-as-investors-continue-to-parse-fed-minutes	[19:45]
assbot	Wall Street Selloff: S&P Joins Dow in Negative Territory for '15 \| Fox Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsYdPl )	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	"I think we should put users first." << oh, but we are. because poor people ARE NOT bitcoin users. by definition.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	we aren't putting ghetto meat first. let the usg have that, they earned it.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, the only possible definition of "middle class" is, "what's left of the poor fucks once the rich fucks are done raping their daughters and shooting their sons for sport."	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	you can't have a middle class unless the poor class is being squished underfoot.	[19:48]
mats	YHOO: -3.10%, TSLA: -5.12%, BABA: -3.83%, AMZN: -3.22%, AAPL: -2.05%, BOX: -2.31%, FB: -.98%, SCTY: -4.47%, ZNGA: -2.33%, GOOG: -2.13%	[19:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5958 @ 0.00068358 = 4.0728 BTC [-]	[19:48]
mats	le pummeling	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	aww. so much less russias they could buy.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	!t m s.mpoe	[19:48]
mats	correction, FB: -4.98%	[19:48]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067172 / 0.00069087 / 0.00071459 (2635190 shares, 1,820.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00060969 / 0.00070717 / 0.0007991 (14054424 shares, 9,938.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00058091 / 0.0007991 (83785547 shares, 48,672.49 BTC)	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.00068358/0.00069087	[19:49]
gribble	0.989448087194	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	mpoe only down 1%!	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	znga for fucks sake.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	i look at that index and i'm like... hey, nice, simcity 2015.	[19:50]
mats	:)	[19:50]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245481 << what are you trying to accomplish ?	[19:51]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 15:35:39; funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: http://coin-vote.com/poll/557573b91ce32f881a045135	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245510 << the consensus seems to be that the us will end under a hail of "don't thread on me" folk. it's what chomsy thinks but daren't say, it's what the various judges think which is why they come out with all the lulzy pretense of "systematic" discussion etc.	[19:53]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 16:50:56; ascii_field: (could easily be wholly fictional, but, in the immortal words of tlp: 'if you're reading it, it's for you')	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	i'm unconvinced, but who knows.	[19:53]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[19:53]
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*	ascii_field mega-unconvinced	[19:54]
ascii_field	because the 'don'	[19:54]
ascii_field	t tread' folks have collective 'iq' of 3.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	don ?	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	i dunno about that.	[19:54]
ascii_field	wake me up when they stop 'death ray'ing.	[19:54]
ascii_field	and start pgp.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	this is completely unrelated.	[19:55]
ascii_field	mno.	[19:55]
ascii_field	mega-related. no pgp, no wot. no wot, eaten alive by influence agents and provocateurs.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	understand : the ability of the usg to continue strictly lays in the fiction called "lawful order".	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	if the odds for a policeman being answered with bullets are ~0%, there can be a country.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	if the odds increase past a very tiny epsilon, there can not be a country.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	this is strictly true irrespective of any other consideration, and the epsilon can even be calculated quite well.	[19:56]
ascii_field	then chechnya. which isn't a long-term affair.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	not necessarily.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	chechnya, in chechnya. romania, in romania. etc.	[19:56]
ascii_field	modern ro is a somalia ?	[19:56]
ascii_field	or no ?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	"then us finally gets to meet its destiny".	[19:56]
ascii_field	what % bullet ?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	modern ro is kinda what the us aspires to be. and at the point where that happened, about 3%.	[19:57]
ascii_field	no, what % ~today~	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	and the next day, people had to hide the police from the mob, like they were jews suddenly.	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	today ? why today ?	[19:57]
ascii_field	re: whether long-term thing or no	[19:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80850 @ 0.00067702 = 54.7371 BTC [-] {4}	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	quite long term.	[19:57]
ascii_field	anyway usa is on the zimbabwe track not the ro track	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	nah, us is going to turn into argentina.	[19:58]
ascii_field	it'll be a 'colour' thing.	[19:58]
ascii_field	with at least 3 colours	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	in fact this country is quite exactly the future of the us, almost to the last dash.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	and the funny thing is - the usians won't even know it.	[19:58]
ascii_field	hard to know things when dead	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	they'll just sue the chinese in a chinese court protesting that the chinese arew forcing them to pay bonds as they promised to pay,	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	and won't even realise anything's amiss.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	will discuss their debates, whatever, "race", "women" bla bla. much like the locals do soccer.	[19:59]
ascii_field	that is done already?	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	heck, i can almost see it, "Key West Is American"	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	buncha veterans of the lost war on lawn of white house,	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field hence my "locals won't even know it"./	[20:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245518 << i thought ls was the problem.	[20:01]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 16:56:49; ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?!	[20:01]
ascii_field	http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/diffutils.git/tree/src/dir.c	[20:02]
assbot	diffutils.git - GNU diff and patch utilities ... ( http://bit.ly/1JmStmt )	[20:02]
ascii_field	^ does not invoke 'ls' internally (who is surprised?!)	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	why ther fuck would it not	[20:03]
ascii_field	because.	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	dude it's almost as if everyone using computers before was just you know, playing.	[20:04]
ascii_field	'what if ls is retarded?!'	[20:04]
ascii_field	'whaddayathink this is, plan9?'	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	"what, someone will one day want bitwise identity on outputs ?!? AHAHAHAHAWUT"	[20:04]
ascii_field	or go ask rms	[20:04]
ascii_field	(author)	[20:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32121 @ 0.00067065 = 21.5419 BTC [-] {3}	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	i am seriously persuaded that not a single "programmer" alive until 2010 ever realised that yes, bitwise identity is a thing.	[20:05]
ascii_field	gcc 4.8.0 20120825; see	[20:05]
ascii_field	.	[20:05]
ascii_field	*/	[20:05]
ascii_field	^ l0l!!!!	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	fucking openssl dispolays the issue.	[20:05]
*	ascii_field realized	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	but i mean it's universal by now.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	talk about fucking bit rot.	[20:05]
*	ascii_field in ~2004-ish	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	ascii_field i tell you, trying to convince sopmeone to not mentally s/programmer/monkey/ is a very hard task.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	it's as if bitcoin suddenly raised the bar for programming computers and now most everyone's too short to play.	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	"wait, THAT is what computers were for ?! all these years!"	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	!up ahmed_bodi	[20:07]
-assbot-	You voiced ahmed_bodi for 30 minutes.	[20:07]
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ahmed_bodi	thank you	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	aha. who're you ?	[20:07]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: wake me up when time for adacoin.	[20:07]
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mircea_popescu	you sleep too much!	[20:07]
ahmed_bodi	Occasional trader. remember trading with a few people here. lost my PGP? key so i cant auth with assbot myself anymore	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	bad move.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	!down ahmed_bodi	[20:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245604 << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product.	[20:13]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 18:30:08; kakobrekla: msdos really best of doses ?	[20:13]
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mircea_popescu	wait. pd-dos was the os one not dr-dos.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	ah ok nm, furher down in teh logs huh.	[20:17]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245619 << lol win	[20:17]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 18:48:57; ascii_field: 'the cuckening'	[20:17]
shinohai	Many testicles will be crushed.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245638 << a ton of uncut cocaine, more than the collected body of us sluts in the proper age could snort anyway.	[20:19]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 19:10:43; ascii_field: 'Update: The US Coast Guard informed me that the 16,000 pounds of cocaine seized during the July 18 semi-submersible bust has been changed to 14,000 pounds, due to a "quantity mistake" in their initial report. This story has been changed to reflect that correction' << 2,000 for obamitler's cellar	[20:19]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245641 << except this is how it works, always and everywhere. /me doth not know a time or a place where it was different. including the early days of the us revolutionary movement, or the days the menshevic faction had the upper hand, or any other time.	[20:20]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 19:11:48; trinque: must be something else to be able to be that brazen and know not a soul will know or care	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	this because "the people" have no proper function in government, and unlike the aspie 14%, the people know this well enough.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	hence nixon's "silent majority" etc.	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245669 << what a great image!	[20:22]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 19:54:59; ascii_field: it's kinda like using a branding iron on a snake	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two	[20:23]
BingoBoingo	talk about fucking bit rot. << 8 way RAID 1 mirrors are starting to get really appearing just as Bitrot prevention	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	most bitrot is man made	[20:29]
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BingoBoingo	Of course. I's just like to kill the Cawsmax Ray excuse	[20:30]
BingoBoingo	is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two << like his work I imagine also fueled by his hatred	[20:31]
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BingoBoingo	scoopbot_revived fetch	[20:38]
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scooprot	http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/	[20:39]
assbot	Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )	[20:39]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you'll have to blockquote code snippets tho	[20:40]
BingoBoingo	Ah, lemme go in	[20:40]
mircea_popescu	his true malfeasance and loyalties come to light under superficial examination.	[20:42]
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BingoBoingo	K, thestringpuller isn't getting shares from Hearn's code	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	"his true loyalties and thinly disguised malfeasance are apparent even under the most superficial examination" ?	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	or in any case that closer's broken	[20:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14451 @ 0.0007016 = 10.1388 BTC [+]	[20:44]
BingoBoingo	ah	[20:45]
BingoBoingo	Should be fixed and in the I can't even department http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ferguson-police-officer-describes-heartbreak-of-fatal-shooting-of-/article_bb249529-3870-5ae1-83da-8545f4a6773e.html Yet they burned a chunk of North St Last night for the kid who ran out of a crack house	[20:47]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1EG3tWI )	[20:47]
BingoBoingo	Gawker of course has a piece on Homeboy fleeing the crackhouse and eating pig lead	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	is this the nyfd shooting or something else	[20:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00068949 = 12.5487 BTC [-]	[20:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Nah. Two St Louis shootings. One was Ferguson hoodrats shot through a house killing a nine year old with a stray bullet. The other was StL PD shooting a fleeing innocent youth.	[20:50]
BingoBoingo	Just another innocent youth running from the crack house	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	in somewhat other news, https://archive.is/OK7hr	[20:52]
assbot	El Gran' Teatro Argentino - Google Search ... ( http://bit.ly/1EG3WrQ )	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	above clarin, above trip advisor, above wikipedia, TRILEMA UBER ALLES!	[20:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21939 @ 0.00066998 = 14.6987 BTC [-]	[20:54]
ag3nt_zer0	hello all	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	how goes	[20:57]
mats	http://i.imgur.com/uRCqcTS.jpg	[21:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MHmIY1 )	[21:03]
ag3nt_zer0	hey it goes pretty good just finsihed my first two days at new elementary music ed job... getting paid to dance with 5 year olds is pretty fucking nice	[21:03]
ag3nt_zer0	and yourself?	[21:03]
BingoBoingo	Don't go Jared	[21:06]
ag3nt_zer0	seen this anyone? pretty fucking miraculous that power of music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyZQf0p73QM	[21:10]
assbot	(original) Man In Nursing Home Reacts To Hearing Music From His Era - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHn54B )	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	Also, who would have thought "People" magazine would "get it" and join the shitlord train to swolehalla http://www.people.com/article/project-harpoon-photoshop-plus-size-women-speaks-out	[21:10]
assbot	Project Harpoon Slammed for Photoshopping Images of Plus-Size Women : People.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHn8h2 )	[21:10]
mats	BingoBoingo: re: "Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans", some corrections -- "these data structure" >> "these data structures" and "though some voice" >> "though some voices"	[21:11]
BingoBoingo	ty mats fxd	[21:13]
ag3nt_zer0	more miraculous music stuff: melodic intonation therapy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_5verI-bj8	[21:15]
assbot	Music Therapy and Aphasia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHnp3z )	[21:15]
ag3nt_zer0	... teaching stroke victims to talk again - after 5 years of fruitless attempts this guys doctor taps and sings happy birthday and the dude just sings it straightaway with him	[21:16]
ag3nt_zer0	hadnt been able to speak for 5 years or something	[21:16]
ag3nt_zer0	so then they teach him to sing songs, then replace the words with what they actually want to say	[21:17]
ag3nt_zer0	then do best to remove the melodic attribute	[21:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00069913 = 20.5894 BTC [+] {4}	[21:24]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1246291 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245614 + http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245615	[21:25]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 23:11:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245604 << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product.	[21:25]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:05; ascii_field: at any rate, msdos provides not one single system call that could be of use to a bitcoind	[21:25]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:19; ascii_field: so a 'dos port' is more appropriately a 'bare metal' port, and doesn't need the dos for anything	[21:25]
jurov	would be more like "dos extender"	[21:27]
asciilifeform	jurov: there's no role for a single byte of the dos in ther	[21:27]
asciilifeform	it literally gives nothing over the naked iron, for this job.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	not one lick.	[21:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2329 @ 0.00091012 = 2.1197 BTC [+]	[21:28]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1246308 << aha. for instance, one fella i know loaded the new (today's) 'ashley madison' crud. and one of the archive balls fails pgp sig.	[21:28]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 23:27:07; mircea_popescu: most bitrot is man made	[21:28]
asciilifeform	the interesting one, naturally.	[21:28]
jurov	i know. just feeling the longing after himen.sys :D	[21:30]
jurov	(typo intended)	[21:30]
asciilifeform	jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today.	[21:31]
asciilifeform	to me game on computer is fucking ~synonymous~ with dos.	[21:31]
jurov	still, i have used t602, too	[21:32]
asciilifeform	dos is to game as greece is to philosophy.	[21:32]
asciilifeform	yes, no news, not for long time. but it remains.	[21:32]
jurov	https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hrum5/degenerate_gambler_mircea_popescu_muses_about_how/ today's dose of buttcoin	[21:33]
assbot	Degenerate gambler Mircea Popescu muses about how female monkeys love their rapists but will attack beta males: "No female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist." : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J8UgrH )	[21:33]
jurov	"What kind of terrible offense must one commit in their past life to be reborn as a trickster god's cruel experiment: a living work of sadistic irony possessing the visual acuity of a hawk, the palate of a dung beetle, and the agency of a mollusk."	[21:34]
jurov	is that a compliment in disguise?	[21:37]
jurov	cuz of the hawk... and some molluscs (like cephalopods) are very intelligent	[21:38]
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BingoBoingo	Indeed OCTOPEx	[21:39]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: what's the 'soft pliable other thing' link?	[21:41]
asciilifeform	right now just points to my site root	[21:41]
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BingoBoingo	Will fix, intended tungsten mels	[21:41]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: in http://qntra.net/2015/08/collected-notes-on-the-xt-client-and-xtcoin-fork	[21:42]
assbot	Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHoR5L )	[21:42]
BingoBoingo	*melts	[21:42]
BingoBoingo	fxd	[21:42]
trinque	asciilifeform \| jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << /me wishes to see asciilifeform's DOS game list, as I was too young to truly appreciate the era	[21:47]
trinque	had US Navy Fighters and Magic Carpet	[21:47]
asciilifeform	trinque: pretty much anything by 'sierra'	[21:47]
trinque	lemmings too	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	lmao that michelle bachman quote...	[21:47]
asciilifeform	and 'lucas'	[21:47]
trinque	cool	[21:47]
asciilifeform	also microprose, adeline, psygnosis...	[21:47]
asciilifeform	infogrames	[21:48]
asciilifeform	buncha others.	[21:48]
trinque	that'll keep me busy	[21:48]
asciilifeform	if must start with one - sierra.	[21:49]
trinque	ah lode runner is theirs?	[21:49]
trinque	I played that	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's not altogether clear multi thread benefits bitcoin much. at least atm.	[21:49]
asciilifeform	sierra is mainly known the the adventures	[21:49]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: gotta have at least a minimal scheduler for tcp/ip	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << word.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	wait i'm a degenerate gambler now ? how's that work.	[21:51]
asciilifeform	perhaps it is like being a mollusc? or hawk? or which other animals were mentioned	[21:51]
jurov	i, in turn, supplied buttcoiners with a certain walrus, we'll see	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	oh they didn't care for the anthropology bit.	[21:52]
BingoBoingo	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2796	[21:52]
assbot	JL: The Stoned Boxer ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHpn3P )	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	well heck, how is it my fault nature doesn't fit their projections ffs.	[21:52]
BingoBoingo	But she was being so unreasonable that it helped my cause. When I told the cops that I slipped the nelson on her they were congratulatory. The one cop says, “Really, man, you used the nelson? Way to go—that’s the best thing for women who are trying to hit you!”	[21:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: ever hear term 'hatefact' ?	[21:52]
mircea_popescu	i'm a degenerate gambler because us libertard can't stomach monkey rape. wtf already.	[21:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform like artefact but for dumb people ?	[21:53]
asciilifeform	it is the name for, in this case, the monkeyrape	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	"A group of fat-shaming gamers " << how does that work ?	[21:54]
asciilifeform	or orwell's 'spanish armada sank' vs chesterton's 'fuck off'	[21:54]
mircea_popescu	dude wtf, nobody went to school or something. here's some word soup for you!	[21:54]
BingoBoingo	Gotta counter that double speak with triple listen	[21:55]
asciilifeform	(chesterton, naturally, as stand-in for his imagined opposition)	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ahaha	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't think chesterton thought anything about orwell past "hack".	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	in fact, the only actual attention orwell has, at any point, enjoyed, is in the fringe of 1984 afficionados, which suddenly saw itself bitcoinized into relevancy cca 2010. otherwise...	[21:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: considering that c died while mr o was a grunt in spain and had total of what, 100 pgs, printed	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	i don't think anyone ever think he's even 2nd rate.	[21:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i never got the impression that o had pretences to 'great'. he wrote for the archaeologist. as i do.	[21:57]
asciilifeform	message in a bottle.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	prolly.	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	hard to say exactly. and im too disinterested to go on a orwell bio kick.	[21:57]
asciilifeform	wrote because the choices are 'write into a bottle' or 'eat bullet'	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	mmm	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	i suspect it's more the case that "wrote because i am wrong, and i know i am wrong, and if i don't write i can't sleep."	[21:58]
asciilifeform	same thing	[21:58]
mircea_popescu	"but if i do write i sometimes can also pretend like i don't know that i'm wrong."	[21:58]
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mircea_popescu	no, not the same thing.	[21:58]
ag3nt_zer0	https://twitter.com/PrincessBMM/status/479944652049895424	[21:58]
trinque	damn.	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 okay ?	[21:59]
asciilifeform	ag3nt_zer0: snore. not even from inside crematorium	[21:59]
asciilifeform	now ~that~ would be a mega-'selfie'	[21:59]
ag3nt_zer0	heh	[22:00]
asciilifeform	or, alternatively, from the gallows	[22:00]
asciilifeform	hang for a bit, have picture taken.	[22:00]
asciilifeform	pay $$.	[22:00]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'wrote because i am wrong' is imho correct, but in the ~literal~ sense. as in 'my whole existence is an uncorrectable wrong'	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	i dun get teh hate. chick owns her camera. wut ?	[22:02]
asciilifeform	which is why i say that he had no option but 'write' or 'eat nagant'	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	no, this is not the case. he was just stupid.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	not that he didn't know better, either.	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	but he persevered.	[22:02]
asciilifeform	gimme a smart gedankenorwell then	[22:02]
asciilifeform	what'd he do	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	the italian guy.	[22:03]
asciilifeform	evola ?	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	smart gedankenorwell is evola, yes.	[22:03]
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asciilifeform	evola was a money man	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[22:03]
asciilifeform	orwell - not.	[22:03]
asciilifeform	so not reconcilable.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[22:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00066998 = 8.8772 BTC [-] {2}	[22:03]
asciilifeform	the ragged dervish is permanently preoccupied with starvation	[22:03]
ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu yeah not sure about her intentions... my first inclination was just to think she was an idiot but on second thought that thought is a bit idiotic	[22:03]
asciilifeform	i can speak for this.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 why can't it be that the woman does whatever the fuck she wants with the camera she boughjt in the space she paid for and everyone else can just go dangle ?	[22:04]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17768 @ 0.00066968 = 11.8989 BTC [-] {3}	[22:04]
ag3nt_zer0	sounds fine to me	[22:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: because, apparently, sacrilege1111!!11	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	yaya. because apparently "there's six million idiots with nothing better to do on the web".	[22:05]
asciilifeform	why can't herr luther do whatever the fuck he wants with the ink that he bought with the paper that he bought....	[22:05]
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mircea_popescu	some objectionable twerp is proud about how she's teaching some unfortunate nigglets to "Talk trash" about random strangers,	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	and not only isn't she fired for this, but somehow "the community" thinks this is sane.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	i'd fire her. she wants to teach the kids to talk trash about random people, that's what lincoln is for.	[22:06]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, it'd seem the fact that rape doesn't work in nature liek reddit wants it to is becoming a much bigger problem reddit has with mp than merely the fact that money doesn't work in nature like reddit wants it to.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	see alf, sex trumps money.	[22:08]
asciilifeform	the 'pyramid' nonsense aside, people do end up fixated with whatever their unmet animal itch is	[22:09]
asciilifeform	if food - food	[22:09]
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mircea_popescu	"I'd say he has completely lost the plot at this stage. He was calling bitcoinXT an altcoin long before it was even suggested. I can't imagine what's going through his mind right now given that I could imagine the completely fucked up shit that was happening before." << if anyone has a reddit to english translation service, please help.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	somehow the words fail to sentence. what's the man trying to say ?	[22:09]
asciilifeform	next ask for frog2english	[22:09]
asciilifeform	brekekekekex koax koax.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	^ is what he says.	[22:09]
asciilifeform	how and what else.	[22:09]
trinque	as per that thread, nobody's going to fuck him for it	[22:09]
trinque	more like a death rattle maybe?	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	no but seriously. so he could imagine what was going through my head. and then i was right long before people even knew what it was called and therefore...	[22:10]
trinque	I like to think I can speak idiot but..	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	i can't even tell if that's supposed to be laudative or deprecatory.	[22:10]
asciilifeform	frog only knows how to say one thing: 'i am frog'	[22:10]
trinque	sounds like mp doesn't know what's going on because he predicted the present outcome before the community was onboard with the notion	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	so technically they should be called rippits.	[22:11]
trinque	!b 1	[22:11]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HJYHA1.txt )	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	such colonialsim, calling rippits frogs.	[22:11]
asciilifeform	brekekex.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	trinque ok but how does that make any sense lol.	[22:11]
trinque	mircea_popescu: because any opinion outside the hive mind is arbitrary!	[22:11]
trinque	I mean where do opinions come from if not that?	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	"An asshole with these opinions on women cannot be trusted to be kinder to his customers."	[22:12]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTZUTL66dr8	[22:12]
assbot	ΤΑ ΒΑΤΡΑΧΑΚΙΑ (ΒΡΕΚΕΚΕΞ-ΚΟΥΑΞ-ΚΟΥΑΞ) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmdEVa )	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	except i was discussing female monkeys...	[22:12]
trinque	nature is sexist.	[22:12]
kakobrekla	its what they are fucking, its what they feel for.	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	you know, the average monkey is both much smaller overall, and then her cunt's much tinier proportionately still ?	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	you cant fuck monkeys.	[22:14]
kakobrekla	you can will a small enough gear prolly.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	hm	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	no but really - as far as animalia is concerned, humans have HUMONGOUS penises.	[22:14]
*	Vexual is now known as setdegentrue	[22:14]
trinque	yeah, even gorillas have tiny ones	[22:15]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014#775022	[22:15]
assbot	Logged on 28-07-2014 21:25:42; mircea_popescu: A CS student named Lin had a prick the size of a pin. It was no good for girls but just great for squirrels, they squealed with delight with it in.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[22:15]
mats	lol.	[22:15]
asciilifeform	^ see also	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:15]
trinque	hahaha	[22:15]
trinque	must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	trinque language.	[22:15]
trinque	whoops	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	language was the original russian brides website.	[22:16]
trinque	oh lol, got it	[22:16]
trinque	so being able to refer to the thing caused it?	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	(the fact that you can talk to a mated female, on top of all the other strategies to get her to fuck outside her pair, changes everything.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	and yes, penis size and female fixation are inversely correlated)	[22:16]
trinque	hm, inversely. /me ponders	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	which is why, to this day, the best strat to get laid is to TALK TO HER.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	today as 100k years ago.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	and, for a lol, penis size and social structured-ness are ALSO inversely correlated. which is why azns have the tiniest, and africans the biggest.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	azns build the best empires.	[22:19]
*	setdegentrue is now known as Vexual	[22:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40300 @ 0.0006696 = 26.9849 BTC [-]	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	"]sciencehatesyouSorry for your loss[S] 2 points 14 minutes ago	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	What strikes me in all these IRC convos involving butters is that they are not talking. This is not a conversation. They say shit past each other. No one listens, no one responds, they're just on some dumbass tirade for no purpose."	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	hey, is this true ?!	[22:21]
*	mircea_popescu is depressed. ALL THESE YEARS.	[22:23]
trinque	I don't know that I've ever seen better conversation anywhere else.	[22:23]
asciilifeform	trinque only thinks this because he took the lsd!	[22:23]
trinque	but how to measure that in upvotes	[22:23]
trinque	one too many, I'm on a permanent trip	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	maybe the conversation's too o'cult.	[22:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: try this on for size:	[22:24]
asciilifeform	/* Use locale-specific sorting if possible, else native byte order. */	[22:24]
asciilifeform	locale_specific_sorting = true;	[22:24]
asciilifeform	^ guess from where.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	diff	[22:25]
asciilifeform	aha.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	what the shit already.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	WHO thinks like this. i wish to know.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	who figures "hey, i'll write a tool, and if it does different things for different people - all the better!"	[22:25]
asciilifeform	guess who.	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	a programmer!	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	it's fucking incredible the serendipity of this shit as overlapped on that convo.	[22:26]
asciilifeform	'pogrommer' (in the words of ex-gf)	[22:26]
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mircea_popescu	Matches for haslink:true log.bitcoin-assets.com, 5789 total results	[22:29]
asciilifeform	so i diff my genesis and mod6, and what do i find.	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	over the past ~year or so.	[22:29]
asciilifeform	my diff sorts lexicographic by terminal file name. as the gods meant.	[22:29]
asciilifeform	that is, by ascii	[22:30]
asciilifeform	n00bz - 'man ascii' on your terminal if unsure what the order is!	[22:30]
asciilifeform	or open a fcking b00k	[22:30]
phf	james lafond incidentally wrote how old time pubs were places were men could run wild boasts by the others and get called out or not, and that this form of conversation has been lost. seems to me in "consensus" places there's always some fuck ready to butt in into any point, just to make a counterpoint, that it's inconceivable for redditards that there's a dozen reading and thinking without running their mouths	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	phf i dun think it was lost, myself.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	at the very least it survives in the better prep classes for lawschool.	[22:31]
asciilifeform	it survives (in anglo world) like panda survives. in a zoo or two.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	what has happened however was a shear (ie, kill the middle). there is no point in carnation lower class men should be engaging in this sport, that's not in any sense their place. not like a random blue collar derp can, through no matter how liberal application of port and tavern-debate, become an engineer.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	so it was sort-of abandoned for the mass.	[22:33]
BingoBoingo	brekekex. << brekekekeke,Frounce,Frounce,Frounce	[22:33]
trinque	most fragile egos can't handle being contradicted/corrected	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	"On older terminals, the underscore code is displayed as a left arrow, called backarrow, the caret is displayed as an up-arrow and the vertical bar has a hole in the middle."	[22:33]
mircea_popescu	motherfucker... OF COURSE THE BAR HAS A HOLE	[22:33]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: and yes, it's locale retardation.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	another thing much in the vein of the old time pub function above was the "calificare la locul de munca", the last breath of apprenticeship.	[22:37]
mircea_popescu	it died out even in soviet land cca 60s.	[22:38]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mod6 do me a little favour and try regenerate your genesis diff with LC_ALL=C prefixed to your shell command.	[22:38]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:38]
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phf	mircea_popescu: i think the idea was imprinted on me through soviet imagery still, of a young pioneer politely and carefully observing an older pioneer performing some tricky task, soldering say. the implication was "this old person, knows better, so shut the fuck up and learn"	[22:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: confirmed!	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	phf sure, but most of the things we do today can't be thus learned.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	it's a fine way for kittens to learn to mouse, and for young pioneers to learn to solder.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	but look how terribru the C rms has learned turns out to be.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i prefixed LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" ./foo.sh and ended up with something quite like mod6's diff.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	how costly, how hard to fix. this is how he learned, incidentally. and it's no good.	[22:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform thanks for nailing this bitch.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	my pleasure.	[22:42]
*	asciilifeform washes chopping block	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	diff for fucks sake.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	diff.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	wait till we do 'strings'. which is EXPLOITABLE	[22:42]
asciilifeform	(yes)	[22:42]
mircea_popescu	im not using fucking strings lol.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	but: afaik rms was not directly involved with 'locales'.	[22:43]
phf	that's fair, though i think the approach can still take you far, as long as you assume that there's someone with better knowledge and taste then yourself, always	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	and to continue the lolz, http://levoradikal.ru/archives/757	[22:43]
assbot	Образование и капитализм \| Леворадикал ... ( http://bit.ly/1J8ZjbA )	[22:43]
mircea_popescu	phf the approach can take you very far provided you understand it takes you absolutely nowhere.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	then and only then.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	most of reddit's problems atm consist of a "but hey, i was at the tavern, i copied the tavern master, therefore i know"	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	except not.	[22:44]
mircea_popescu	most of the "community" got passing grades from schools i wouldn't send my donkey to.	[22:45]
*	asciilifeform presently breaking brain trying to find what the fuck IF_LINT is for	[22:45]
asciilifeform	http://osdir.com/ml/bison-patches-gnu/2011-05/msg00004.html << dafuq	[22:46]
assbot	bison-patches-gnu - IF_LINT is dangerous (Was: Re: Version 2.5_rc1 gcc issues) - msg#00004 - Recent Discussion OSDir.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBlbRE )	[22:46]
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asciilifeform	https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2014-11/msg00611.html << moar pertinently	[22:46]
assbot	Paul Eggert - Re: Add macros for diagnostic control, use them in locale/weightwc.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBlhbX )	[22:46]
asciilifeform	'More important, I looked through some of the Gnulib and GNU utilities code that deals with working around bugs in GCC's diagnostics generation, and -Wmaybe-uninitialized in particular has caused us so much grief that we typically silence it in a different way, which I should mention. We use a macro definition like this:' << holy fuq.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ?	[22:47]
phf	hehe, i was going to make a ~joke~ with the description of how if_lint operates, turns out that's how it actually operates.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	this horror went past the point of being recoverable, long, long ago.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	apparently.	[22:49]
BingoBoingo	is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ? << Seven limbed actually. You neglected several long tumors have calcified bone like structures	[22:50]
asciilifeform	and before BingoBoingo says 'bsd' - i will point out that ~all~ of this crap has long metastatized to bsd	[22:51]
BingoBoingo	But Plan9!!!	[22:51]
asciilifeform	plan9 is not a unix. it is its own animal. but very much mired in c	[22:51]
asciilifeform	and worst aspects of unix.	[22:52]
*	BingoBoingo doesn't doubt that BSD in places where it lacks this particular crap instead had different, but functionally equivalent crap	[22:52]
asciilifeform	(otherwise very spiffy, largely through having sat out the last 20 yrs of drepperization)	[22:52]
*	asciilifeform can abide no more of this, in one sitting. off to play with pet	[22:53]
BingoBoingo	Of course Plan9 is actual expansion of "GNU is not Unix" but at some point if handed C machine must sate it	[22:53]
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phf	plan9 by the way, uses a custom dialect of C	[22:56]
BingoBoingo	Also from Outer Space	[22:58]
phf	so most definitely lizard hitler affiliated	[22:59]
BingoBoingo	Not necessary. Could be Avian...	[23:00]
BingoBoingo	I mean you aren't one of those that thinks the reptilians are the only aliens are you?	[23:03]
phf	i was going to say that it could also be part of venusian conspiracy	[23:03]
phf	but while researching some line of thought, discovered that they are making a movie of pkd's Radio Free Albemuth. i was who own all those pkd rights?	[23:04]
phf	*i wonder	[23:04]
BingoBoingo	I have no idea	[23:07]
BingoBoingo	Also, coinbase is getting desperate https://archive.is/HcCIx	[23:11]
assbot	Coinbase Referral Bonuses Have Increased From $25 to $75! ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBo9FE )	[23:11]
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*	assbot gives voice to mike_c	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	lol that consensus costs good money.	[23:22]
danielpbarron	http://danielpbarron.com/gpg-wtf.txt	[23:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1MBpGeT )	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высшего образов	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	ания, по линии массового доступа ко всем культурным благам всего человечества, по линии сокращения рабочего дня за счёт всеобщей занятости и автоматизации производства.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	such fucking wins.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	see alfie, programmers!	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron i can't make out what the problem is ?	[23:26]
danielpbarron	gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified!	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	ugh	[23:26]
danielpbarron	version 2 doesn't say that	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	what the fuckl	[23:26]
danielpbarron	i google for that text and get very limited results	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	achtung asciilifeform !	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	http://buildroot.uclibc.org/downloads/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign << it doesn't actually dld.	[23:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKXnn )	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	your .sign file, look at it. is it empty ?	[23:28]
danielpbarron	oh i'm stupid, it's not really a detached sig	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	whole thing's a joke anyway.	[23:29]
danielpbarron	d'oh! it's a clearsigned list of hashes	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	http://dpaste.com/3KK4002 << look at that stupid shit	[23:29]
assbot	dpaste: 3KK4002 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JlKZfg )	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	i could prolly have the girls crack that 18 bit sig by hand	[23:29]
danielpbarron	ah so the warning is that it found a file with a name that would suggest it is a detached sig	[23:29]
danielpbarron	interesting that newer version of gnupg omits this warning	[23:30]
danielpbarron	i'm probably not alone in assuming that it was a detached sig	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	inasmuch as the guy links it as "pgp signature"...	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	you made no assumption.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	he stated it was.	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	in vaguely uninteresting news,	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	;;google Shlomo Sorin Rosen	[23:35]
gribble	Shlomo Sorin Rosen - Wikipedia: ; Rabinului Shlomo Sorin Rosen, cu ocazia incheierii activitatii de ...: ; Sorin Rosen \| LinkedIn:	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	35 yo ex-chief rabbi of romania, son of an orthodox woman.	[23:35]
BingoBoingo	!up Vexual	[23:38]
*	assbot gives voice to Vexual	[23:38]
ben_vulpes	;;rated adlai	[23:43]
gribble	You rated user adlai on Fri Oct 17 11:28:06 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.	[23:43]
ben_vulpes	!rated adlai	[23:43]
assbot	You rated user adlai on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane.	[23:43]
ben_vulpes	!rate adlai 2 highly educational	[23:44]
assbot	Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7fc7102cd8a3af8b	[23:44]
ben_vulpes	!v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.adlai.2:310d1a69d4cd2a845906ce79b786bfb097b488935f1033c7064d48dfbf77d788	[23:45]
assbot	Successfully updated the rating for adlai from 1 to 2 with note: highly educational	[23:45]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: super work on the orchestra	[23:45]
ben_vulpes	i hope to have time to review within the month	[23:45]
ben_vulpes	whips crack in the uranium mines, tho	[23:45]
ben_vulpes	christ you have no idea	[23:48]
mod6	ben_vulpes!	[23:49]
gernika	BingoBoingo: "all too happy" - sorry if someone already caught this	[23:49]
BingoBoingo	gernika: Where?	[23:49]
gernika	BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/	[23:50]
assbot	Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )	[23:50]
gernika	doh sorry - thestringpuller	[23:50]
BingoBoingo	thanks, fixed	[23:51]
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mod6	<+mircea_popescu> diff << omfg	[23:53]
*	mod6 tries	[23:54]
ben_vulpes	http://qntra.net/2015/08/hearns-blacklist-shenanigans/ << nifty, thestringpuller	[23:54]
assbot	Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1MHliwq )	[23:54]
mod6	another crazy thing is this BDB configure script. i got rotor to build on i686 with TEST2. but the crazy thing is that it seems to compile just fine when BDB has --host=x86_64-linux OR --host=i386-linux but NOT without a --host=	[23:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00068791 = 9.218 BTC [+]	[23:55]
mod6	I went spelunking through the BDB configure script. The horror.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	it probably defaults to dec or some shit.	[23:57]
BingoBoingo	Vexual: That clearly belonged in chan	[23:58]

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