Forum logs for 20 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: CLean up that submission, stop inserting style="text-align: left; stuff [00:01]
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pete_dushenski dude, it makes no difference [00:02]
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pete_dushenski i had it on 'justify' like i do on all contravex, then i remembered that qntra is 'left' [00:02]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'm cleaning it up, but can't be inserting extra style. Breaks the consisten qntra look. [00:02]
pete_dushenski ? [00:03]
pete_dushenski dude, qntra is 'left' by default [00:03]
pete_dushenski these qntra editors and their trolling ;/ [00:03]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: But not justified. Many sane browsers don't support justified text syle [00:04]
BingoBoingo *style [00:04]
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pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: u so raja [00:09]
BingoBoingo Really the "style" attribute inside tags has no reason to be used ever [00:10]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Also in you anchor tags, what is with this "target" business? [00:12]
scoopbot_revived Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation [00:13]
pete_dushenski i'll be sure to omit those next time, my apologies bb [00:13]
mod6 Any data not signed ... [00:14]
pete_dushenski hm ya... [00:14]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I'm just giving you shit, but ... [00:15]
pete_dushenski i b0rked this formatting job [00:15]
BingoBoingo mod6: fixed [00:15]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: No I did [00:15]
BingoBoingo It's just if you are marking up text for display... WHy butcher the whole thing with superfluous attributes? [00:16]
asciilifeform << 'spreading works!!11' [00:17]
assbot Futurology alert: NASA has been granted $200,000 a year for a project that recycles human poop into man-made food. ... ( ) [00:17]
asciilifeform << yes. and if anyone really wants me to gpg-sign this 'yes', i will [00:17]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 02:20:07; hanbot: asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken? << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3). [00:17]
asciilifeform << if you have a copy of gpg, verify with that [00:18]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 02:42:28; mod6: The hashes look like the match -- mainly. asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect? [00:18]
asciilifeform that was the intent [00:18]
asciilifeform you should get same thing i did, possibly excepting the timestamps [00:18]
asciilifeform (i'm for abolishing those, on account of their profound uselessness...) [00:18]
asciilifeform at any rate, diff it with mine, nothing but timestamps must differ. [00:18]
asciilifeform << neato, a small flat costs like a car in usa [00:19]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 02:52:29; mircea_popescu: << romanian real estate if anyone's curious [00:19]
mod6 it look to me that the hashes match. but they're not all in the same order for som reason. [00:19]
mod6 *some [00:19]
asciilifeform mod6: interesting. sort, compare. [00:19]
asciilifeform srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux [00:20]
mod6 yeah, i'll go through it closer tomorrow see if I can work it out. [00:20]
mod6 true. no idea why that awk command seems to honk on ubuntu. [00:20]
asciilifeform << oh for fuck's sake [00:20]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 02:24:39; mod6: asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo. worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: [00:20]
asciilifeform y'know what, [00:20]
asciilifeform if you have an ubuntu, [00:20]
asciilifeform take it by its reins, lead it out behind the barn, [00:21]
BingoBoingo BBC [00:21]
asciilifeform and shoot it in the head. [00:21]
mod6 hahah [00:21]
asciilifeform then sell for glue. [00:21]
asciilifeform this is from here on my official recommendation re: ubuntu of all versions. [00:21]
asciilifeform 'plan9' is more of a linux than ubuntu. [00:22]
asciilifeform fuck, qnx is. [00:22]
mircea_popescu lol [00:22]
asciilifeform i will support plan9 (which, i dare say, is spiffy) long before ubuntu. [00:22]
BingoBoingo plan9 is really pretty fly [00:23]
BingoBoingo << chunks of plan9 running on a linux kernel [00:24]
assbot Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( ) [00:25]
asciilifeform snore. [00:25]
asciilifeform gimme all or nothing, i say. [00:25]
asciilifeform screw this 'i ran an os in userland on other os because i needed a thesis 111!!111' shit. [00:25]
BingoBoingo Problem seems to be they used plan9 userland as a path to saving linux when the linux part could have been flushed [00:26]
* BingoBoingo does not know their stimulus for keeping linux of life support, may have been Nvidia... [00:27]
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asciilifeform hm? [00:30]
asciilifeform kakobrekla? [00:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25440 @ 0.00067809 = 17.2506 BTC [-] {3} [00:31]
asciilifeform << surprisingly little discussion in the press re: the fact of there being virtually no actual (vs. perl script) females in the system [00:33]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 03:11:06; scoopbot_revived: Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation [00:33]
asciilifeform perhaps this is sop. if so, one can wonder why the chumpers signed up to begin with [00:34]
asciilifeform who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ? [00:34]
* asciilifeform spent an unhealthily large chunk of today crawling the dump [00:35]
asciilifeform it has, yes, corp. financials [00:35]
pete_dushenski [00:35]
BingoBoingo << OpenBDSM 5.8 drops early because 20th birthday [00:35]
assbot | The Bitcoin XT Trojan ... ( ) [00:35]
assbot 'openbsd 5.8 pre-orders' - MARC ... ( ) [00:35]
asciilifeform and yes, they keep all in 'excel.' because gott mit uns or something [00:35]
pete_dushenski "First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine" << lel. this one's for adam_obrien [00:37]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: who wrote this ? [00:37]
pete_dushenski [00:37]
assbot First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( ) [00:37]
asciilifeform no, not that [00:37]
asciilifeform the 'xt trojan' piece [00:37]
BingoBoingo who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ? << Some locales it is fishing with dynamite [00:38]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: it is surprisingly sane [00:38]
BingoBoingo First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( ) << Welcome to the Terror DOme [00:38]
assbot ... ( ) [00:38]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: << 'goat' [00:38]
assbot | Author | goat ... ( ) [00:39]
asciilifeform wasn't 'goat' a sc4mz0r of some description ? [00:39]
asciilifeform or is there more than one [00:39]
pete_dushenski << may be same as this mike ? [00:39]
assbot Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( ) [00:39]
asciilifeform at any rate, it is astonishingly factual, at first glance [00:40]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Multiple goats [00:40]
pete_dushenski the timelines add up. first post on on may 4, 2015. last post on wp site on feb 27, 2015 [00:40]
asciilifeform will be interesting to see what mircea_popescu makes of [00:41]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 03:33:24; pete_dushenski: [00:41]
hanbot asciilifeform so lemme get something straight here: [00:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why surprising ? nobody seriously thought women were in there. [00:49]
asciilifeform glaringly, no mention of therealbitcoin [00:49]
asciilifeform but all else is a good exposition. [00:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the chumpers, one might suppose, thought this [00:50]
asciilifeform hanbot: hm? [00:50]
hanbot "orchestra" supercedes "rotor" which supercedes "stator", and the v versioning system is usable (as-is) for "orchestra" only, correct? [00:50]
asciilifeform orchestra consists of precisely the same patches which made it into rel1 and those which are being considered by mod6 and ben_vulpes for inclusion in rel2 [00:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i'm not reading random expose of random derp hoping to matter. sorry. [00:51]
asciilifeform hanbot: in its present condition, it supercedes nothing at all, except for the laborious 'here's where to get all the patches and how they depend on each other' docs [00:52]
asciilifeform hanbot: it will, possibly, supercede these if and when ben_vulpes, mod6, et al, agree that my current approach is correct. [00:52]
pete_dushenski gnite all! [00:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50352 @ 0.00067691 = 34.0838 BTC [-] {4} [00:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it has snapshots of choice hearnias, with commentary [00:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and a more-or-less accurate (for a non-#b-a denizen) outline of events re: same. [00:53]
mircea_popescu good for it. i dun know the author and don't care what he might wish to say one way or the other. [00:53]
asciilifeform skip the parts where he talks, then [00:54]
asciilifeform (thing is full of screen caps of hearn & gavin and their code, doing their thing.) [00:54]
hanbot asciilifeform okay. but supposing i want to try out your versioning system & sign it and all, i -need- the "orchestra" build, do i not? [00:55]
asciilifeform anyone who doesn't care for the 'entomology' here - can safely skip whole shebang. [00:55]
mircea_popescu they're taken from other people. [00:55]
asciilifeform hanbot: you will, yes. but it is not a build, presently. only a set of patches re-created with vdiff and signed - currently by myself only. [00:55]
mircea_popescu the thing's basically a usgism, in spirit if not in form. [00:55]
mircea_popescu "here's my picture in front of the pyramids" [00:55]
mircea_popescu w/. [00:55]
mircea_popescu w/e. [00:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: entomological interest only, yes. [00:55]
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mircea_popescu im not saying you shouldn't read it or anything, but you asked me what i make of it. i don't. [00:56]
hanbot asciilifeform oh, i see. thanks! [00:56]
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mircea_popescu re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it. [01:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0006759 = 12.9097 BTC [-] {3} [01:02]
mircea_popescu the value proposition of ashley madison reads something likle "you too can be ALMOST like one of those dudes that cheats on his wife. except, you won't ever get caught, because... you're not ACTUALLY doing it" [01:02]
mircea_popescu which is why the breach is particularly ruinous to them. as seinfeld said, "that's why divorce is so traumatic : you've been impeached, and i wasn't even the president!" [01:02]
mircea_popescu there might have been some hookers working the cream off the top, those 1-2% oif males that finally got the nerve together to actually GASP!~1 meet someone after 10 or so years of derping around on the site. [01:03]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, given the stolid stupidity of those chicks on or w/e offered bitcoin.... safer bet is "no". [01:03]
BingoBoingo Ashley Madison at some point took in serious fiat though. They had prominent TV ads which means either VC suckers or customer suckers [01:04]
mircea_popescu vc suckers. [01:05]
BingoBoingo Could be both, seems they hooked Tony Blair [01:05]
mircea_popescu males are notoriously stupid. [01:05]
mircea_popescu the only reason there isn't a cock eating rock somewhere is pure chance. otherwise, if it offered a hole, it'd eat well enough. [01:06]
BingoBoingo Of course. I mean Mr. Tusk fucked the shit out of that penguin. [01:06]
mircea_popescu lol [01:06]
BingoBoingo re:walrus can not reccoment Kevin SMith's 'Tusk' enough, because... [spoiler redacted] [01:07]
BingoBoingo Yes plenty of CanadiaMerican retardation, but... actually the five line synopis and punchline may be enough [01:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00069422 = 17.8415 BTC [+] [01:09]
BingoBoingo Premise it totally improved though by seeing bad thing happen to actor who was the face of OS X for so long [01:10]
mircea_popescu "Established Men, a website dedicated to pairing up beautiful young women with successful older men." << - >> [01:14]
assbot The Gentlemen Prefer CoEds Club on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [01:14]
mircea_popescu good idea, too bad they failed. [01:14]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo im half-amused that the "mainstream media" fails to connect the fetlife story to the ashley madison story. [01:16]
mircea_popescu what exactly does "investigative" mean anymore ? [01:16]
mircea_popescu buncha derps couldn't find their way out of a nonexistent paper bag, yet wish to have a "profession" and get "salaries". why "? for what ? [01:17]
mircea_popescu "they need it!!1" [01:17]
mircea_popescu riiite. [01:17]
asciilifeform as if it weren't obvious what it means [01:18]
asciilifeform the sacramental [01:18]
assbot Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. [01:18]
mircea_popescu im sure it pays the bills. [01:19]
asciilifeform that 'unhappen' button, it never seems to wear out. [01:19]
asciilifeform always a nice, satisfying -click-zap- [01:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98841 @ 0.00070506 = 69.6888 BTC [+] {4} [01:22]
asciilifeform l0l, hearnia ssl is back! [01:22]
asciilifeform [01:22]
assbot Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( ) [01:22]
asciilifeform hardcoded certs, even. [01:22]
mircea_popescu lmao [01:23]
mircea_popescu the lolcow that just keeps giving [01:23]
asciilifeform whole shebang worth reading, for the patient [01:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30351 @ 0.000706 = 21.4278 BTC [+] [01:23]
asciilifeform or qntraists [01:23]
asciilifeform << ban list, supposedly of 'tor' users, but dynamically updated at all times. [01:23]
assbot Introduce the beginnings of anti-DoS resource scheduling. · bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt@73c9efe · GitHub ... ( ) [01:24]
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asciilifeform 'Future... ...Design a protocol to let user wallets gain priority by proving ownership of coin age, as they tend to have short lived connections and roam around different IPs, but we still want to serve them ahead of long term idling connections.' << lulzy. hearn would have all nodes run hotwallet to 'prove coin age' [01:26]
asciilifeform translated for humans, means 'if you wanna talk, prove you're a leaf node running hearnia. and don't pretend to be infrastructural node, we know who they are already and i don't recall selling you a license' [01:27]
asciilifeform 'CIPGroupData... A group of logically related IP addresses. Useful for banning or deprioritising sources of abusive traffic/DoS attacks.' << that would be, presumably, us. [01:28]
asciilifeform 'Calculate the priority of the new IP to see if we should drop it immediately (normal) or kick one of the other peers out to make room for it.' -- are you a plebe, or a loyal servant of the crown [01:28]
mircea_popescu hahaha [01:30]
mircea_popescu "priority" by proving ownership [01:30]
mircea_popescu as foretold by alf a year or so ago, [01:30]
asciilifeform my arse foretells! [01:30]
mircea_popescu back when hearn wasn't even a shitstain on his owner's pants yet. [01:30]
mircea_popescu pretty funny to see just what communitard understood of bitcoin lol. [01:31]
asciilifeform curl_easy_setopt(curl, CURLOPT_URL, ""); [01:31]
asciilifeform for fuxxsake [01:31]
mircea_popescu ahahahah [01:31]
asciilifeform and, gentlemen, get yer barf buckets, [01:31]
mircea_popescu i dunno why all the "bitcoin fork" derpage. this really is solidcoin v2.0 [01:31]
asciilifeform if (cert == NULL) { [01:31]
asciilifeform + // This should never happen. [01:31]
asciilifeform + LogPrintf("ipgroups: Could not parse hard-coded cert
asciilifeform + BIO_free(bio); [01:31]
asciilifeform + return CURLE_OK; // Proceed anyway. [01:31]
asciilifeform + } [01:31]
mircea_popescu same haphazard style. [01:31]
mircea_popescu you're prolly not old enough for it, but if yo uare THAT patient, asciilifeform dig up the old solidcoin stuff. it was a goldmine. [01:32]
asciilifeform actually iirc i did dig it out [01:33]
asciilifeform at mircea_popescu's instigation [01:33]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about. [01:33]
asciilifeform and yes, quite reminiscent. [01:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the same, oh, it's broken ? no problem pinoy fix! [01:34]
mircea_popescu the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap. [01:34]
mircea_popescu (contrary to his pretense, the man can't actually code / has never actually written anything / etc) [01:34]
asciilifeform no reason he couldn't use the conventional gs-9 through 12 or whatnot monkey fleet [01:35]
mircea_popescu yes reason. [01:35]
mircea_popescu you ever been in a bureaucracy ? [01:35]
asciilifeform sure. [01:35]
mircea_popescu "fuck you get lost" [01:35]
mircea_popescu "but i have deadlines!!!" [01:35]
mircea_popescu "fuck your mother too." [01:35]
asciilifeform if i had to guess, would guess that they farm it out filipino-style - but internally [01:35]
asciilifeform this produces the characteristic schizo flavour [01:36]
asciilifeform of the code. [01:36]
mircea_popescu it wouldn't be the first time us agent had to provide his own combat boots. [01:36]
asciilifeform the question of which monkey in the forest produced a particular stool sample, is perhaps interesting to ~someone~ [01:39]
mircea_popescu i thought you were on an entomological kick. [01:40]
asciilifeform << i dare say that this or similar scenario is unlikely. the 'rent-a-slave' outfits are largely helpless when asked for anything other than wwwtronic proggy [01:40]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 04:32:13; mircea_popescu: the only cherry missing from this cake is to discover hearn actually outsourced this shit via odesk or some crap. [01:40]
mircea_popescu your snipped above looks wwwtronic enough. [01:41]
asciilifeform even elementary cpp appears to be far beyond the abilities of the subscribers. [01:41]
asciilifeform but i could be wrong about this. [01:41]
mircea_popescu "CURLE_OK" in particular is an abomination upon nomenclature. [01:41]
asciilifeform i can offer no logical explanation for ^ [01:42]
mircea_popescu anyway, another batch of tests returns. the chain as currently seen longest, 370657 tall does in fact verify throughout in all presentations. [01:43]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: elaborate ? [01:44]
mircea_popescu i've been burning at it for > month by now, but the ~7 different spots that at times seemed dubious carry no significance or import., [01:44]
asciilifeform (what means 'all presentations' ? what bitcoinatron(s) used ?) [01:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well you recall how we had a number of locks and dubious forks etc since june ? [01:44]
asciilifeform aha? [01:44]
mircea_popescu all of mine + all of yours. [01:44]
asciilifeform neato. [01:44]
asciilifeform consider a post to the ml, even [01:45]
mircea_popescu i am, but i don't wish to say exactly what i tested ;/ [01:45]
asciilifeform (for those mythical ben_vulpess who read only ml but not #b-a) [01:45]
asciilifeform l0l [01:45]
mircea_popescu my life sucks. [01:45]
* asciilifeform sometimes finds himself wondering how much mircea_popescu's apparatus actually differs from therealbitcoin [01:46]
mircea_popescu numerously but not significantly. atm i actually regard it more like a legacy disused tool, sort of a reference put aside anyway. [01:46]
mircea_popescu that being teh scant joy in otherwise generously daily distress. [01:47]
asciilifeform lulzy, this is how herr handle described nsa 'suite a' ciphers [01:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.0006972 = 4.3575 BTC [-] [01:48]
asciilifeform did mircea_popescu (or anyone else) run a full sync with -verifyall ? [01:52]
asciilifeform (on therealbitcoin, naturally) [01:52]
mircea_popescu not full, only from my checkpoints. [01:53]
asciilifeform ah. [01:53]
asciilifeform because afaik no one has yet done this. [01:53]
mircea_popescu in other news, [01:54]
assbot dpaste: 1MPBA2K ... ( ) [01:54]
mircea_popescu hand-spam. because apparently teppy and whoever else are actually worth this now. [01:54]
asciilifeform and l0l, in usd no less [01:54]
mircea_popescu premium 25 bux. [01:55]
mircea_popescu i take it back, my life doens't suck. [01:55]
mircea_popescu in other news, [01:58]
mircea_popescu Archimedes P Sapitula 270 Summit Ave Jersey City, NJ 07306. Age 42 (Born Jun 1973) (201) 433-1410. Background Check - Available. Record ID: 572584016. [01:58]
asciilifeform << seeing 'chicken' all in one file sorta reminds me that the thing is finite and pretty small, and can be grasped. almost. [01:58]
assbot Error ... ( ) [01:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9035 @ 0.00069375 = 6.268 BTC [-] {2} [02:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14627 @ 0.000706 = 10.3267 BTC [+] [02:04]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> because afaik no one has yet done this. << I have 2x completed full sync with -verifyall. And I have further attemps #3 & #4 >300`000 blocks atm. [02:07]
mircea_popescu word. [02:08]
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tripleslash Why the need for full sync --verifyall? What'd I miss? [02:18]
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mircea_popescu paranoia. [02:22]
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mircea_popescu !up coldbleed [02:33]
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hanbot no luck for me v genesis (; produces empty vpatch: [02:34]
assbot dpaste: 2KD5AB5 ... ( ) [02:34]
Birdman Hello, im getting the OTP when i ask for voice, but im not sure what to do past that [02:34]
mircea_popescu put it in gpg [02:34]
Birdman I try to open it, but it says it cant find a program to open with [02:35]
mircea_popescu curl | gpg [02:36]
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mircea_popescu hanbot do you have the whole set of antecedents ? [02:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00069373 = 13.5277 BTC [-] [02:38]
hanbot yeah, but in a different dir, heh. moving, rerunning. [02:38]
mircea_popescu :) [02:39]
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Birdman Coldbleed is someone i had been talking to about the WoT and -assets so i directed him here [02:40]
punkman mircea_popescu: curl | gpg << I wonder if this can blow up in a spectacular way [02:41]
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mircea_popescu the possibility seems remote. [02:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00069201 = 20.4489 BTC [-] [02:43]
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mod6 hanbot: the basic issue is that this line in asciilifeform's script: vdiff a b > genesis.vpatch [02:46]
mod6 doesn't match up with the file that comes from the email: [02:46]
mod6 [02:46]
punkman nor does it match genesis_2cba721ced8108cf65ab7d045081237ecda4602a.vpatch [02:47]
mod6 so i ended up chaging the file name to "" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: " a b > genesis.vpatch" [02:47]
punkman (oh wait, disregard my statement) [02:48]
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mod6 <+mod6> alright, so I created this script: << take a look here for reference [02:48]
assbot ... ( ) [02:48]
mod6 wondering if you end up with the same ubuntu error I get here: [02:49]
assbot ... ( ) [02:49]
mod6 ... then changing the script so it reads: " a b > genesis.vpatch" << bah. should read: "./ a b > genesis.vpatch" [02:50]
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punkman "I wonder what happens when there's a giant flaming mushroom cloud in your neighborhood and no one publishes a word" [02:55]
assbot Chinese Media and the Tianjin Disaster — Medium ... ( ) [02:55]
punkman "No, we were not hacked. 'Deez Nuts' is the legal name of the candidate and he is polling at 9 percent in NC: " [03:02]
punkman lol [03:02]
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assbot Cities 101: The Mythic Undercover Yellow Taxi Cab NYPD Cop Car | Untapped Cities ... ( ) [03:05]
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assbot Bomb scares end SIM registration holiday | Bangkok Post: business ... ( ) [03:06]
punkman you can still buy unregistered SIMs in US, right? [03:07]
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assbot I (single gay man from Saudi Arabia) Could be Stoned to Death if Ashley Madison Records Are Leaked : adultery ... ( ) [03:23]
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hanbot so i ended up chaging the file name to "" + chmod 0755, and then changing the script so it reads: " a b > genesis.vpatch" << picked the renaming bits out of here, worked for me, thanks. did not get the syntax error! [03:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48600 @ 0.00067991 = 33.0436 BTC [-] [03:42]
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thestringpuller << whoa this is a great story [04:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39325 @ 0.00070381 = 27.6773 BTC [+] {4} [04:23]
hanbot hey mircea_popescu [04:23]
assbot dpaste: 1675NTK ... ( ) [04:23]
mircea_popescu bwhahaha. [04:28]
mircea_popescu hanbot when do you figure that can be published ? [04:29]
hanbot "two weeks"(tm)? [04:30]
thestringpuller << 2nd block from slush's pool with bip-102 vote [04:30]
mircea_popescu actually, let's just do a summary an' leave it at that. ex-wife of ex-respectable bitcointards community member pm's MPOE-PR on forum about how she's been exactly right about X, he stole buncha cash from her, "you got it spot on except for X minor detail" sorta thing. [04:31]
mircea_popescu in other news, "Dear customer, We are sorry, Your PayPal account has been limited until we here from you" [04:38]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: << LOL. If you had a Bitcoin for every time someone eventually told you "You were right"...wait... [04:40]
mircea_popescu can always use more bitcoinz. [04:40]
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mircea_popescu in other news, the new log color thing totally hoses my browser. [05:05]
mircea_popescu so now i can't fucking use the log anymore. can i has revert ? [05:08]
punkman lol how [05:08]
punkman already using racist browser? [05:09]
mircea_popescu i has nfi but it hoses even if i purge js [05:12]
mircea_popescu i imagine it must badly implement dom-something or the other. [05:12]
punkman I don't run js on log and it works fine [05:13]
mircea_popescu good for you. i'd expect anyone sane runs fine. but mine chokes ;/ [05:13]
punkman I just can't see the extra "style="background:#f9f9ec " hosing anything, but who knows [05:14]
punkman hmm if you turn color off there are some stray quotes:

mircea_popescu i don't have the color on. [05:17]
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punkman "The most horrifying moment of my employment at Amazon was the time I was using the toilet and a coworker began talking from the stall next to me. He asked me why I had not responded to his very pressing email. I closed my eyes and pretended this wasn’t happening. What email could be so important that it could not wait five minutes for me to use the bathroom?" [05:25]
punkman "He began tapping on the wall between our stalls, asking why I wouldn’t respond, as if inter-stall conversation should be a totally normal, not disgusting means of communication." [05:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31432 @ 0.00070901 = 22.2856 BTC [+] {2} [05:26]
mircea_popescu deedbot- [05:29]
assbot Error ... ( ) [05:29]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [05:29]
mircea_popescu coolness. [05:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ^ [05:29]
punkman "You'll have to do s/
/ to recover the vpatch." << why not gpg -d?
mircea_popescu huh ? [05:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43066 @ 0.00070998 = 30.576 BTC [+] {2} [05:47]
mircea_popescu incidentally : if gpg had the fucking sense to include MORE information on its information line, we wouldn't have the problem with the dashes. [05:49]
mircea_popescu would it be so hard to have Hash: SHA512 Chars:593 ? [05:50]
mircea_popescu then it knows it needs to stop after 593 characters rather than look for dashes like a drunk mole. [05:50]
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danielpbarron yet another guy who "teaches the controversy" that the "debate" is whether to use 'Core' vs 'XT' [17:09]
ascii_field goodcop/badcop [17:09]
mircea_popescu in the current state this is actually fine. "debate core vs xt" misrepresentation is a degradation of "core consensus" prev state. [17:10]
ascii_field xt was 'bad cop' from day 1 [17:10]
ascii_field (existed to make 'core' look like a decent thing) [17:10]
mircea_popescu yes. except this need wasn't perceived back in say 2013. [17:10]
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ascii_field when ~did~ 'xt' appear ? [17:11]
mircea_popescu hearn was added to support gavin almost as soon as gavin did his "presentation" at cia. [17:11]
ascii_field this i recall. [17:12]
mircea_popescu but they were, according to usg, unknown. only recently were they moved from field to embassy duty [17:12]
mircea_popescu or as that works out in bitcoin, from "developers" to "XT team" [17:12]
mircea_popescu bah log still unusable. [17:13]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: << have a turd [17:14]
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mircea_popescu im reduced to using it through ffs. [17:14]
felipelalli if Bitcoin Core pushes forward to increase the block size, how to resist to it if the miners decide to support the fork? Any other version unsupported by the miners would be very vulnerable to attacks from the fork side? [17:14]
ascii_field kakobrekla: ^^ [17:14]
mircea_popescu nope, cuts off. [17:15]
ascii_field kakobrekla: re: log [17:15]
mircea_popescu felipelalli suppose you actually read the logs. [17:15]
mircea_popescu ascii_field thanks [17:16]
felipelalli !s fork [17:16]
assbot 849 results for 'fork' : [17:16]
mircea_popescu "" ? wtf, your dragnet's too tight, picking everything [17:16]
mircea_popescu i bet alf's idea of microbiology work is "examine the bugs individually under microscope" [17:17]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: actually, sometimes is. [17:17]
mircea_popescu "fits in head" too ? [17:17]
ascii_field ^ was why i got out of biology [17:17]
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mircea_popescu this is a fine approach for computer viruses. for very good reasons i won't go into for the sake of not boring everyone. [17:18]
mircea_popescu but it is a bad approach for actual microbiology. because, again, saltus. [17:18]
mircea_popescu !up mynameismud [17:18]
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kakobrekla yeah looking into it, checked and old backup copy of the file - still slow [17:18]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: funnily, the saltus thing is applicable to modern crapware written by morons who slavishly copy one another with minor variations [17:18]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i use the log daily and the problem only started maybe 2 days ago. somehow. [17:19]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yes, because biology creeps in. [17:19]
mircea_popescu it's also applicabe to things like "internet websites", for the same reason. hence the b-something comment above. [17:19]
ascii_field mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: i also noticed this. even dug in the payload, found nothing [17:19]
ascii_field but i'm no www magician [17:19]
mircea_popescu i'm tryin' to pass along to you the methodology knowledge of people in this field, ya know ? [17:19]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu try now [17:19]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: you're entirely correct re: spamatronics [17:20]
ascii_field somehow i wasn't thinking in that key. [17:20]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla nope, still eats memory. [17:20]
kakobrekla this now is 1 month old file [17:20]
kakobrekla so its not my code and wtf. [17:20]
ascii_field ddos? [17:21]
mircea_popescu nah. [17:21]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla specifically what was i testing ? right ? [17:21]
kakobrekla yes [17:21]
mircea_popescu could there be a cache involved ? [17:21]
kakobrekla naw [17:21]
mircea_popescu but i guarantee this was not present 1 month ago, or even a week ago. [17:21]
mircea_popescu because i bitched within 5 minutes. [17:22]
ascii_field aha [17:22]
kakobrekla i started noticing a slowdown 7-10 days ago [17:22]
ascii_field it started on or very close to the hour when the colours were introduced. [17:22]
mircea_popescu ima pore through this file now see wtf. [17:22]
kakobrekla but its not the colors! [17:22]
mircea_popescu might not be... i noticed after they were introdfuced tho [17:22]
ascii_field same [17:23]
kakobrekla there is no colors in the code now, still slow [17:23]
ascii_field is there ANYTHING that wasn't there in june ? [17:23]
mircea_popescu [17:23]
kakobrekla fuck w3c [17:24]
mircea_popescu useless as usual. [17:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.0006751 = 14.1771 BTC [-] [17:24]
mircea_popescu Line 4051, Column 13: value of attribute "ID" invalid: "1" cannot start a name [17:24]
mircea_popescu because why. [17:24]
ascii_field 'cause some twit [17:24]
ascii_field or perhaps - fortran [17:24]
mircea_popescu < those changed ? [17:25]
* ascii_field realized long ago that standards committees attract at least half a dozen distinct types of vermin. one of which is the sort of fella who vandalizes bus stops, carves initials in [17:25]
trinque the browser is the ultimate "make a name for myself" hell. [17:26]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: why does that thing need js??!!! [17:26]
danielpbarron js is what makes the selected line (via url) turn yellow [17:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i just loaded a version without the head section [17:27]
mircea_popescu it works perfectly fine, 0 delay. [17:27]
mircea_popescu the problem is in the head. [17:27]
kakobrekla its always in the head. [17:28]
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mircea_popescu lol [17:28]
danielpbarron << i've been listening to his podcast ever since his article on the dance party for the shamed fat guy; the show is just barely interesting to have on in the background thanks to his somewhat libertarian-leaning co-host, Dick Masterson. Maddox himself is a damn dirty socialist, and also a self-described 'programmer' who frequently speaks to the virtues of winbl0ws [17:30]
assbot Logged on 11-08-2015 06:07:22; trinque: man, I love Maddox so much [17:30]
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mircea_popescu << check that version out. it loads fine, at least for me. [17:32]
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mircea_popescu the only thing i changed is the head, now it reads [17:32]
trinque danielpbarron: man, he's a socialist? that's disappointing. [17:32]
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trinque I'm speaking from having read long ago [17:32]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron lotta people are sorta like that, really. the hope and expectaton of a "greatness of the people" is hard to shake. [17:33]
kakobrekla try log now pls [17:34]
kakobrekla f5 also [17:34]
mircea_popescu felipelalli or alternatively the cannonical texts on the topic. [17:35]
mircea_popescu rguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal [17:35]
assbot Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [17:35]
assbot Let's address even more of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [17:35]
assbot Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [17:35]
* danielpbarron confirms log loads faster now :D [17:35]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla perfect now. [17:35]
kakobrekla fuckin hell. [17:35]
mircea_popescu what was it ? [17:35]
kakobrekla css :| [17:35]
mircea_popescu ahhh this is nice to get back. [17:35]
mircea_popescu oh ? [17:35]
mircea_popescu but... my version loads css/all.css and still works ? [17:35]
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kakobrekla NFI [17:35]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:36]
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ascii_field worx [17:36]
mircea_popescu but listen... all i took out was the js! [17:36]
kakobrekla all i replaced was .css [17:36]
felipelalli mircea_popescu, thank you for the links! I was trying to find something relevant on log but I didn't so far. [17:36]
mircea_popescu hm [17:36]
trinque some css selectors can be heavy to apply [17:37]
mircea_popescu trinque the file i uploaded uses the same css the not working log used tho, and worked fine!@ [17:37]
trinque could be heavy depending on the structure of the markup [17:38]
mircea_popescu but i suppose it could be some mysterious css/js interaction [17:38]
trinque cause it has to search the whole DOM tree [17:38]
mircea_popescu it clearly looked like a badly done recursive search [17:38]
trinque can be narrowed by specifying IDs, using > to specify "just immediate child" etc [17:38]
trinque yep [17:38]
mircea_popescu i guess it COULD be that it actually rejected the provided ids "because they start with digit" and ending up with a soup ? [17:39]
mircea_popescu which... [17:39]
trinque it's one of those giant monstrosities that every simple question is hard to answer [17:39]
trinque *within which [17:39]
mircea_popescu incidentally, re : it occurs to me that this situation is not just pseudo-exchanges and fake dating sites etc. this is universally true of the web. [17:39]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 03:59:34; mircea_popescu: re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it. [17:39]
mircea_popescu which is to say : there's two webs. one is the original web, which exclusively consists of non-interactive http served documents. this is the same it always was, more or less. [17:40]
kakobrekla a 'missing' 'overflow: hidden' was the cause [17:40]
mircea_popescu then there's a secopnd web, to use its own terminology web2.0. this is composed of ALL the sites that uses https, for any purpose. such as "logins" as if that makes any sense. [17:40]
mircea_popescu these, without exception, are populated by idiots. without exception i say. [17:40]
kakobrekla how ? dunno, nobody could have foreseen. [17:40]
mircea_popescu and what they do all day is, PRETEND like they're doing something. [17:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla win! [17:41]
trinque kakobrekla: heh was every line trying to figure out if it was going to be scrollable? [17:41]
trinque "reflow" is a bitch [17:41]
kakobrekla possibly [17:41]
mircea_popescu they pretend like they're advertising, but aren't actually reaching anyone. they pretend like they're socializing, but they're socialising with perl scripts (as per ). they pretend like they're doing banking except they aren't actually, and "cheating" on their wife with gif-provided motion and indian call center provided voice. [17:42]
assbot Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [17:42]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: it's a wriggleysgumification [17:42]
mircea_popescu the web 2.0 has, basically, failed in all its promises except one. it does give monkleys something to play with. [17:42]
mircea_popescu keeps em "busy" and "employed" and so forth. [17:42]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced that there is enough 'genuine cheat' or whatnot to go around. hence, the simulacra. [17:43]
mircea_popescu of course there isn'rt roflmao. what "go around" ! [17:43]
mircea_popescu the moment you have go around in the sentence you've made it about "giving stuff to people who haven't earned it" [17:43]
ascii_field any more than there is enough toyota to 'go around' in zimbabwe [17:43]
ascii_field how else. [17:43]
mircea_popescu so basically... yeah. the www is the new ghetto. [17:43]
mircea_popescu "go hang out on a website or whatever it is your kind does", as it were. [17:44]
ascii_field orlov worked this subject in his hilarious 'dead souls' [17:44]
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ascii_field kakobrekla: do the nauseating colours ~have~ to be default ? [17:45]
mircea_popescu well, i guess it's not novel nor really anything but the most banal observation. [17:45]
kakobrekla ascii_field f5 [17:45]
ascii_field ah [17:45]
ascii_field ty kakobrekla [17:45]
mircea_popescu but to my own head it's a huge step forward. i guess i was coming at the internet from the wrong perspective. took a while to clear in my head heh. [17:45]
kakobrekla muh plesur [17:45]
mircea_popescu "With each passing week more and more of us become ready to concede that economic growth is no longer possible. Economic de­velopment, on the old model, which UN Sec­retary Ban Ki-moon recently characterized as a “global suicide pact,” is becoming con­strained by the limits of natural resources of the finite planet, energy, arable land and fresh water foremost among them, and stressed further by extreme weather [17:46]
mircea_popescu events that increase in frequency due to the rapidly destabilizing climate." <<< ascii_field i'm sorry, what ? [17:46]
mircea_popescu dude's not even wrong. [17:46]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: just now noticed that one ? [17:46]
mircea_popescu you quoted it to me ? [17:46]
ascii_field iirc mr o works it into every single piece somehow [17:46]
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ascii_field i don't barf from religion unless it genuinely interferes with the subject matter [17:47]
mircea_popescu i guess you'll have to provide offsets with your orlov links nao [17:48]
mircea_popescu which paragraph am i to start reading? [17:48]
ascii_field mr o, it appears, has somehow baked his whole mind around the idea that climatocalypse will cleanse away the sins of mankind [17:48]
trinque heh, I've hoped for this as well. wishful thinking. [17:48]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: third [17:48]
mircea_popescu such nonsense. [17:49]
mircea_popescu " What neither side seems to grasp is this: as the virtualized realm of cyberreality and social networking takes over daily life, the actual physical economy will matter less and less" [17:49]
mircea_popescu i'm sorry, what ? dude's not even wrong. [17:49]
mircea_popescu a) what takes over ; b) what less and less. for starters. [17:50]
ascii_field nah, makes sense - build 100x fewer cars, let lusers watch films of cars, go 'vroom' in their minds [17:50]
ascii_field sorta why i brought it up re: the simulacra thread. [17:51]
mircea_popescu how does this answer eiother a or b ? [17:51]
ascii_field wankatronics ('web 2') takes over [17:51]
trinque cannot last for very long at all, if it did [17:52]
* trinque tries to eat a farmville vegetable [17:52]
ascii_field trinque: for so long as it is displacing 'optional' items, rather than air, food (and can take considerable liberties with the latter!) - it lasts [17:52]
ascii_field and, naturally, while the herring in the scania sounds. [17:53]
mircea_popescu ascii_field "takes over" is not how you say this. [17:53]
mircea_popescu if tomorrow all white dudes in the us go hang themselves, leaving all the black dudes [17:53]
trinque sounds more like learning carpentry at aushwitz [17:53]
mircea_popescu would you say this means "hanging has taken over the us" ? [17:53]
mircea_popescu no, it did not. [17:53]
ascii_field i must have some 'css' filter in my skull that makes orlov make sense [17:55]
thestringpuller ;;later tell BingoBoingo [17:55]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:55]
ascii_field but will try anyway [17:56]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i think 'take over' here is in the sense microshit took over pc [17:57]
ascii_field in the sense that one ends up going to considerable lengths if wishing to avoid contact with it [17:58]
trinque sorta like a septic line taking over a basement [17:58]
felipelalli mircea_popescu, I read your articles. Actually I had read some parts before, but I read all over again. Unfortunately I didn't find the answer to my question. I understand that if miners just point to a "Scamcoin" (fork from Bitcoin) this is not Bitcoin, of course. But having them more hashpower, and the same type of hash function, this does not make the actual Bitcoin an "altcoin" and them vulnerable to attacks? (following the [17:58]
felipelalli idea of that other article of yours "The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies"") [17:58]
ascii_field trinque: aha. [17:58]
trinque but then the agency there is just a metaphor, so I can see the argument that nothing was "taken over" [17:59]
felipelalli mircea_popescu, in other words: the decision of majority of miners could literally kill the actual Bitcoin. Make it unusable. [17:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12122 @ 0.00068183 = 8.2651 BTC [+] [17:59]
kakobrekla well it will be 2010 all over again [18:00]
trinque felipelalli: so then the actual bitcoin has fewer miners. [18:00]
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mike_c majority of miners = 60%? Then 40% of miners stay on bitcoin and blocks take.. 25 minutes? [18:01]
mike_c this is not unusable. [18:01]
felipelalli trinque, I know, but vulnerable. Miners could use a portion of their hashpower just to mess around with the actual Bitcoin. [18:01]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i dunno how you do it, but yeah [18:01]
kakobrekla afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work [18:01]
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mircea_popescu felipelalli you did not read very carefully at all. [18:01]
mike_c in the meantime, everyone sane forks their coins, dumps the scam coin, and now the 60% miners are mining worthless coins. [18:02]
trinque ^ [18:02]
mike_c how long does that last? [18:02]
kakobrekla i think gavins version uses 90% [18:02]
mircea_popescu [18:02]
assbot Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [18:02]
mircea_popescu you couldn't find that on your own for some reason ? [18:02]
kakobrekla everyone sane hahaha he said everyone sane. [18:02]
mike_c or insane :) [18:02]
kakobrekla insane keep their coins, sane wont touch exchanges [18:03]
ascii_field ;;later tell BingoBoingo how's the riot [18:04]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:04]
mircea_popescu that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door. [18:05]
mircea_popescu what's to keep him from doing this ? [18:05]
felipelalli mircea_popescu, I fully understood your point on that part, but it does not answer what if the miners decide to attack the actual Bitcoin making double spends, reverting transactions etc. They'll have this power. Read [18:05]
mircea_popescu nothing, really. [18:05]
assbot The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [18:05]
mircea_popescu yet lo and behold that not so many people drive their car through other people's doors. [18:05]
mircea_popescu because it's their fucking car, and because if they fuck it up they don't get another one. [18:05]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: except when they do [18:05]
ascii_field get another one [18:05]
ascii_field from friendly uncle usg. [18:06]
mircea_popescu riiight. [18:06]
mircea_popescu lemme put it plainly : if this were a unipolar world, it's not that bitcoin wouldn't exist. it's that it COULDNT. [18:06]
mircea_popescu the world is not unipolar. even if, for various inhabitants of various rural places, it so appears. [18:06]
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punkman felipelalli: nobody can steal your coins if you just sit on them and don't spend for a while [18:06]
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mircea_popescu and has so appeared, since before the greeks were invented. [18:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38279 @ 0.00069699 = 26.6801 BTC [+] {2} [18:07]
trinque hm, this brings to mind monotheism, as perhaps the source of this delusion of a singular agency over reality [18:08]
trinque or maybe just an expression of it [18:08]
felipelalli punkman, this is true, and this is my main use of Bitcoin. I wouldn't be affected. Good point. But this is a little contradictory with the article "there is no such thing as cryptocurrencies". The idea is "There Can Be Only One" [18:08]
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mike_c There can only be one. [18:09]
mircea_popescu christianity took over the decaying roman empire as the most concise, most popular embodiment of their hope and aspiration. the only such remaining - that even as they've failed, they still must survive "for there's nothing else". [18:09]
mike_c But miners don't get to pick it [18:09]
mircea_popescu it's a great faith for the defeated, and always popular with them [18:09]
mircea_popescu felipelalli that's exactly it : there can only be one, and miners don't pick it. mike has it. [18:10]
thestringpuller miners are the bitch of the economic majority which is MP, he decides. [18:11]
thestringpuller whether people like that or not is irrelevant [18:12]
BingoBoingo meat folks have a habit of changing skins << Deed's kinda contingent on identification being confirmed at all [18:13]
ascii_field wouldn't a complete picture include satoshi ? [18:13]
mircea_popescu well, teh frist 8 words stand, at any rate. [18:13]
mircea_popescu check it out thestringpuller you got better score than orlov. [18:13]
felipelalli thank you guys for the thoughts! [18:13]
mircea_popescu thoughts ? what thoughts. this is abuse. you want 12-c down the hall for thoughts. [18:14]
mike_c satoshi seems to just be holding the detonate button. [18:14]
mircea_popescu the satosher errs only once! [18:14]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Just found out about it coming back from mowing lawns. KMOX was talking about it. If Crown Candy Kitchen survives not much elso of value in North city [18:14]
ascii_field mike_c: could easily push same button as mircea_popescu [18:14]
mircea_popescu clit ? [18:15]
ascii_field (dump sc4mf0rk coins) [18:15]
mircea_popescu that also. [18:15]
mike_c could yes, but it feels like he'd be more likely to blow the whole fucking thing up for some reason rather than use his coins to influence policy. [18:15]
mike_c but who knows [18:15]
trinque ascii_field: damn, wouldn't that be a thing to watch. [18:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c "some reason" aka it's fucking stupid and who the fuck does this to people, takes their napkin sketches and puts it in a frame above the mantelpiece! [18:16]
felipelalli mircea_popescu, lol [18:16]
ascii_field trinque: wonder if 'blow all up' would result in my ancient satoshicalypse pill being dug up and put to use [18:16]
mircea_popescu dja understand any minor mistake the man made PROTOTYPING is now preserved in billion dollars' worth of amber ? [18:16]
mike_c yeah, but, we're fixing the napkin. plz don't blow it up yet mr. satoshi. [18:16]
mircea_popescu five fucking years later, you know [18:17]
mike_c we = foundation, I'm not doing anything. [18:17]
trinque ascii_field: which? [18:17]
mircea_popescu "oh, we're fixing it." [18:17]
mircea_popescu i have no idea how any man can have the patience. [18:17]
ascii_field trinque: << it [18:17]
assbot Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it. ... ( ) [18:17]
mircea_popescu but my involvement in bitcoin has been deeply educative through example [18:17]
mike_c Not exactly five years - It's a lot of work. This work wasn't necessarily worth it before enough people took the right notice and the project got some traction [18:18]
mike_c Meaning the fixing was only worth doing for a smaller number of years. [18:18]
mircea_popescu i hope me and mike_c die in the same plane crash and i get to hear him talk it over with ol' paulie. [18:18]
mircea_popescu i dunno wtf you're doing programming computers yo. go be a negotiator. [18:19]
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mike_c my mother thought I should be a lawyer [18:19]
mircea_popescu yeah. in divorce court. [18:19]
mircea_popescu put it straight out of business. [18:19]
BingoBoingo felipelalli: i have no idea, but iirc mircea_popescu dislikes him << Two different goats [18:19]
mircea_popescu mike the goat is not the same as pedo the goat. [18:20]
thestringpuller pedo the goat is the thailand guy right? [18:20]
trinque ascii_field: ah yep, read that. and it wouldn't surprise me if A was an intentional kill switch, even less so with the hypothetical "failed project" [18:21]
trinque perhaps that was a veiled threat to use the bomb [18:21]
ascii_field trinque: read to the end. [18:21]
ascii_field spoiler: the anti-bomb is to make satoshi's blocks unspendable. [18:22]
ascii_field (and yes, that's forkspeak) [18:22]
trinque yep, read that too [18:22]
ascii_field but if the bomb fell, [18:22]
trinque something something precedent something socialism [18:22]
ascii_field that would be the only surviving fork! [18:22]
ascii_field the other one - dead. [18:22]
ascii_field economically unminable, even. [18:23]
trinque I dunno if I like having some kind of mob social mechanism to declare coins uncoined [18:23]
trinque and yet, yes, could kill the thing otherwise [18:23]
mircea_popescu there is nothing wrong with preserving the originator's exercisable right to end his progeniture. [18:23]
mircea_popescu heck, the absence of social recognition for this is why i won't have kids. [18:24]
ascii_field ^ [18:24]
trinque yeah, if satoshi says "dead" I'm inclined to respect [18:24]
ascii_field the inventor is always at war with everyone else. [18:24]
mircea_popescu ^ [18:24]
ascii_field 'tis true [18:24]
mircea_popescu more like alf's version than trinque's version. [18:24]
mircea_popescu the war needn't end. [18:24]
ascii_field i live on both sides of this. [18:24]
trinque not dead in that "no more cryptocurrencies" [18:25]
trinque but sure, I geddit [18:25]
ascii_field inventors live, typically, with a strong but arguably justifiable sense of being scammed by their fellow man collectively. [18:25]
trinque supposing it ends up expected that clients have a sort of "spam" list of bitcoin addresses they ignore [18:25]
trinque not a pleasant thought [18:25]
ascii_field one hypothesis of mine is that the 'anti-bomb' will help not at all unless dropped ~prior~ to the s-bomb [18:26]
ascii_field because proscribing the blocks later won't un-stampede the sell-panickers [18:26]
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ascii_field and won't un-mix the mixed s-coin when it ends up everywhere [18:27]
mircea_popescu since we're doing nonsense ("you can't teach a class in nonsense. but the history of nonsnese - that's scholarship!"), can anyone explain why exactly would a hard fork not start with its own genesis ? outside of the fundamentally fraudulent, pious or otherwise, attempt to pretend like it's something it is most assuredly not ? [18:27]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: only reason is to hitch a phree ride on the existing allocations [18:27]
mircea_popescu so basically, free fork === new genesis block anyway. [18:28]
mircea_popescu i mean. [18:28]
ascii_field rather than deal with premining (or accusations thereof) and the whole orchestra. [18:28]
punkman you can't fork the chain at genesis [18:28]
mircea_popescu so basically, hard fork === new genesis block anyway. [18:28]
mircea_popescu ascii_field youre not required to starty it at 1 diff. [18:28]
ascii_field regardless of where you start the diff, [18:28]
mircea_popescu all the altcoin scammers ever did, of course, but for a very transparent reason. [18:28]
ascii_field early miners have massive advantage. [18:28]
mircea_popescu how ? [18:28]
ascii_field well, you can't start at ~very~ massive diff [18:29]
mircea_popescu why not ? [18:29]
ascii_field because then you get millenium-long block times [18:29]
mircea_popescu "here's the hard fork. mine the first block or go away" [18:29]
ascii_field (with the hash power typically available to a forker) [18:29]
mircea_popescu that'd have been the HONEST approach to xt, were xt actually powered by the stuff they claim it to be powered by. [18:29]
mircea_popescu if genuinely users were constricted by nonsensical rules which inept conservatives maintained out of sheer lunacy, [18:29]
mircea_popescu then they could always have done it properly, like above. heck, they still do. [18:30]
mircea_popescu "oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc for mining a block, here or there. each hash is worth the same. [18:31]
ascii_field a fork that doesn't switch workfunction is ipso facto a fraud [18:31]
mircea_popescu it COULD just switch genesis. [18:31]
ascii_field done umpteen times [18:31]
ascii_field gets difficultywanked to death. [18:31]
mircea_popescu perfectly valid fork that doesn't run into (the mostly valid) problem you raise. [18:31]
BingoBoingo afaik you need 75% +2week for switch to work << 75% for just 1 week. Decides to fuck off faster than difficulty decides between anal and blow job. [18:31]
mircea_popescu nononon. nonononoNO! [18:31]
mircea_popescu new genesis, same difficulty. [18:32]
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ascii_field "oh, millenium times" what the fuck derp argument is that. you get the same 25 btc << can't transact! [18:32]
mircea_popescu you can, if you mine it. [18:32]
kakobrekla BingoBoingo yeah i wasnt clear, 75% over 1k blocks which is 1 week + 2week 'grace' period [18:32]
kakobrekla or what [18:32]
kakobrekla ;;google bip101 [18:32]
gribble Stephen Pair on Twitter: "We support the adoption of BIP 101 for ...: ; Stephen Pair: BitPay supports the adoption of BIP 101 for increasing ...: ; Blocktrail now shows pools supporting 8MB blocks and BIP101 ...: (1 more message) [18:32]
mircea_popescu !rated slush [18:32]
assbot You have not rated slush. [18:32]
kakobrekla ;;google bip101 github [18:33]
gribble BIP: 101 - GitHub: ; Implement BIP101: Increase maximum blocksize · Issue ... - GitHub: ; gavinandresen (Gavin Andresen) · GitHub: [18:33]
mircea_popescu !rate slush -10 fuckwit [18:33]
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kakobrekla wait bip101 is autherd by ga and suggest 8mb [18:33]
ascii_field you can, if you mine it. << that requires - shudder - actual resources! [18:33]
kakobrekla wasnt there a 20mb version also [18:33]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla iirc they're at 133 mb now. [18:34]
trinque because why not [18:34]
mircea_popescu just numbers. [18:34]
mircea_popescu and you want a bigger amount of just number. [18:34]
BingoBoingo that said, yes, people who disregard their own property can "mess around" with your property. for instance, a guy that doesn't give a shit about his 50k car can drive it through your front door. << Incidently used care prices are finally returning to "normal" pre-Obola-cash-for-clunkers depreciation curve. Thousand dollar cars are a thing again. Soon it will probably be possible to acquire a car capable of providi [18:34]
BingoBoingo ng its own motion for three digits again. Thank you China! [18:34]
mircea_popescu this is how you plan to make your boat ? [18:35]
mircea_popescu ascii_field obviously. i'm just saying, you know, here's where the shore is. for all the puddles pretending to be rivers. [18:35]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: nah, it's where mars is. [18:36]
ascii_field yes, we know where. [18:36]
ascii_field now buy me a ticket. [18:36]
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mircea_popescu punkman [18:38]
mircea_popescu now what. [18:38]
assbot dpaste: 2YG643G ... ( ) [18:38]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: it robs whitespace. [18:39]
ascii_field capriciously, maliciously. [18:39]
mircea_popescu hey, he made a statement. [18:39]
ascii_field because tards. [18:39]
punkman mircea_popescu: you added newlines? [18:39]
mircea_popescu well you can readily see what i added, it's all in there [18:40]
punkman I don't see trailing spaces/tabs/etc [18:40]
mircea_popescu the text reads "append as many trailing spaces/tabs/CRs as you like to the clearsigned text" [18:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00069714 = 7.808 BTC [+] [18:41]
ascii_field briefly back to earlier thread, i hypothesize that is s-bomb falls, the 'counter-bomb' is a schelling point. [18:41]
mircea_popescu about as pointy as litecoin. [18:41]
ascii_field i, for instance, am not any more thrilled about satoshi's blocks being spendable than a german in 1945 was re: the trotyl that hitler ordered planted on everything worth half a broken pfenning [18:42]
ascii_field (not carried out, because they weren't morons..) [18:42]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i thought you had no money, what do you care. [18:42]
ascii_field i want a dead usg. [18:42]
ascii_field there is exactly one weapon. [18:42]
mircea_popescu lol simmar down [18:43]
mircea_popescu fucking lettuce's a weapon., [18:43]
ascii_field if thrown well! [18:43]
mircea_popescu "does it grow on dead body ? " "ayep" "then it's dangerous weapon for usg" [18:43]
ascii_field it also occurs to me that an anti-bombed bitcoin is only a hardfork ~if~ the bomb falls. [18:44]
mircea_popescu << mebbe a blessing, this. sometimes mine takes 3 hours, i'm on like the fifth cup of very milky capuccino... [18:45]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 12:05:32; jurov: interesting how my brunch, coffee and b-a time so often falls into time where channel is silent [18:45]
ascii_field when i wrote that essay, and there was no positive reaction to it, i concluded that bitcoin users are just too fond of fellating the invisible cock of the anonymous microshit vs wizard, to care half a damn [18:46]
mircea_popescu << amusingly, people don't tend to do that much. [18:46]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 13:16:47; asciilifeform: << can't wait for the 'i am usg stoolie and will be stoned to death if $leak is leaked' [18:46]
mircea_popescu ascii_field there are two undistinguishable reasons for silent answer. one's that no one heard. [18:47]
ascii_field nah, enough folks heard. [18:48]
ascii_field but reaction was, unsurprisingly, 'this is satanic' [18:49]
ascii_field hell, i don't find it esp. appetizing, either. [18:49]
mircea_popescu << yeah well, allow me to welcome youy in the wonderful world of soviet bureaucracy. the guns were delivered at kiev. the men were delivered at odessa. the ammunition was left behind. inexplicably, the front fell. [18:50]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 13:20:14; BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo i don't actually think they were READY to deploy this autumn. irrespective of the september term they might or might not have lied to manageement about. << Gavin's eariler marketing campaign made this autumn the latest they could do this. [18:50]
punkman mircea_popescu: I was wrong on the CR part, not sure on the exact set of whitespace chars it will happily eat, but it's probably more than tabs and spaces. example: [18:53]
assbot ... ( ) [18:53]
mircea_popescu yeah agreed punkman [18:53]
mircea_popescu just making the point that it's fucking impossible to predict wtf it does [18:54]
mircea_popescu much what alf was sayin [18:54]
punkman you can convert between
without problems though
mircea_popescu still, these perfectly valid technical objections aside - signed is deeply inferior to clearsigned. this is a fact, and it won't change. [18:55]
mircea_popescu the correct solution is to reimplement pgp and make it behave re clearsign. [18:55]
punkman I was also trying to make a point about the |GPG| prefix being useless [18:55]
mircea_popescu well, no. it works as intended : if you extract all the prefixed lines and wipe the prefix, you get the original text. [18:55]
punkman it'd have worked with dashes just as well [18:56]
mircea_popescu no, because diff creates --- lines [18:56]
mircea_popescu which turn into - --- [18:56]
punkman so you remove "- " instead of "|GPG|". [18:56]
mircea_popescu and it's necessarily safe to s/|GPG|// than to s/- // [18:56]
BingoBoingo lolipinos [18:56]
assbot In no less than six years of block size increases XTCoin would be a defanged and impotent caricature of actual Bitcoin. : Buttcoin ... ( ) [18:56]
mircea_popescu "This shit from Mircea and friends is incomprehensible. And probably exactly wrong." [18:57]
mircea_popescu yeah, that's how it works. totally/ [18:58]
BingoBoingo Even though it links to all the times Mircea was right and doesn't have Mircea on the byline [18:58]
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mircea_popescu it's still probably exactly wrong!!! [18:59]
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mircea_popescu anwyay, this is a perfectly fine time to move hashing away from slush, if anyone was looking. [19:09]
mircea_popescu "good guys" gotta at some point comprehend the jwz future is no future. [19:09]
mircea_popescu let him be "oh, that xt pool operator" and hang with it. [19:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.0006984 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {5} [19:10]
BingoBoingo I was kinda iffy about him with the whole Trezor thing [19:11]
mircea_popescu oh that shit still exists even ? [19:12]
BingoBoingo Not really sure [19:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110000 @ 0.00067282 = 74.0102 BTC [-] {6} [19:17]
jurov kakobrekla/mike_c , is there any public source for mpex trades (other than that does not mutilate data? [19:18]
kakobrekla i have one [19:19]
jurov i mean [19:19]
jurov well, i was troubleshooting coinbr transaction "2015-08-19T22:31:42+00:00", B 53950, "S.MPOE" @ 68266 but it got put together with others and then published in channel [19:20]
jurov and say i wanted to convince coinbr customer that yes, it happened [19:20]
mircea_popescu why would customer need convincing ? [19:21]
jurov cuz i must still occassionally fix coinbr history [19:23]
mircea_popescu yes but traditionally the way broker works is that he allocates his trades. so... you say it happened, you have a block it could have happenbed in, that's it. [19:24]
kakobrekla first line [19:24]
assbot ... ( ) [19:24]
jurov kakobrekla: wow. [19:25]
kakobrekla what [19:26]
jurov !s [19:27]
assbot 0 results for '' : [19:27]
jurov !s [19:28]
assbot 1 results for '' : [19:28]
kakobrekla i didnt publish the link really. [19:28]
jurov nothing, i just had no idea [19:28]
* jurov 's gonna dictionary ping * to see if there's more :D [19:31]
jurov ;;isup [19:31]
gribble is up [19:31]
jurov wut??? [19:31]
mircea_popescu lmao [19:31]
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jurov it's wildcard record.. duh [19:34]
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mircea_popescu << which is why the only possible answers are violence or submission, which is why the inane bitching on social media sounds just like she's playing coy but enjoyed it, and which is also why "a society without violence" can not in point of fact function. [19:39]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 13:35:55; asciilifeform: << this is not an 'urgent message' but a 'lowering ritual.' [19:39]
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mircea_popescu << imo it's just a leftover magic thinking thing. "oh if i keep the kid's name a secret evil witches can't steal his soul". [19:41]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 13:57:50; asciilifeform: what's wrong with NAMES ? [19:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27700 @ 0.0007016 = 19.4343 BTC [+] [19:43]
mircea_popescu << well, it wasn't really his car. think of the us more in terms of a casino. he was allowed one spin on the casino's car, and then if he wanted another spin he had to give them another ticket. [19:43]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 14:26:53; mike_c: so, Jared drives to the prostitute, gets busted, and has to pay the feds not to seize the car he drove there in? [19:43]
mats [19:45]
assbot Wall Street Selloff: S&P Joins Dow in Negative Territory for '15 | Fox Business ... ( ) [19:45]
mircea_popescu "I think we should put users first." << oh, but we are. because poor people ARE NOT bitcoin users. by definition. [19:46]
mircea_popescu we aren't putting ghetto meat first. let the usg have that, they earned it. [19:46]
mircea_popescu incidentally, the only possible definition of "middle class" is, "what's left of the poor fucks once the rich fucks are done raping their daughters and shooting their sons for sport." [19:48]
mircea_popescu you can't have a middle class unless the poor class is being squished underfoot. [19:48]
mats YHOO: -3.10%, TSLA: -5.12%, BABA: -3.83%, AMZN: -3.22%, AAPL: -2.05%, BOX: -2.31%, FB: -.98%, SCTY: -4.47%, ZNGA: -2.33%, GOOG: -2.13% [19:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5958 @ 0.00068358 = 4.0728 BTC [-] [19:48]
mats le pummeling [19:48]
mircea_popescu aww. so much less russias they could buy. [19:48]
mircea_popescu !t m s.mpoe [19:48]
mats correction, FB: -4.98% [19:48]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00067172 / 0.00069087 / 0.00071459 (2635190 shares, 1,820.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00060969 / 0.00070717 / 0.0007991 (14054424 shares, 9,938.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00049661 / 0.00058091 / 0.0007991 (83785547 shares, 48,672.49 BTC) [19:49]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 0.00068358/0.00069087 [19:49]
gribble 0.989448087194 [19:49]
mircea_popescu mpoe only down 1%! [19:49]
mircea_popescu znga for fucks sake. [19:50]
mircea_popescu i look at that index and i'm like... hey, nice, simcity 2015. [19:50]
mats :) [19:50]
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mircea_popescu << what are you trying to accomplish ? [19:51]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 15:35:39; funkenstein_: kinda why i have been wasting resources on this thing: [19:51]
mircea_popescu << the consensus seems to be that the us will end under a hail of "don't thread on me" folk. it's what chomsy thinks but daren't say, it's what the various judges think which is why they come out with all the lulzy pretense of "systematic" discussion etc. [19:53]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 16:50:56; ascii_field: (could easily be wholly fictional, but, in the immortal words of tlp: 'if you're reading it, it's for you') [19:53]
mircea_popescu i'm unconvinced, but who knows. [19:53]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [19:53]
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* ascii_field mega-unconvinced [19:54]
ascii_field because the 'don' [19:54]
ascii_field t tread' folks have collective 'iq' of 3. [19:54]
mircea_popescu don ? [19:54]
mircea_popescu i dunno about that. [19:54]
ascii_field wake me up when they stop 'death ray'ing. [19:54]
ascii_field and start pgp. [19:54]
mircea_popescu this is completely unrelated. [19:55]
ascii_field mno. [19:55]
ascii_field mega-related. no pgp, no wot. no wot, eaten alive by influence agents and provocateurs. [19:55]
mircea_popescu understand : the ability of the usg to continue strictly lays in the fiction called "lawful order". [19:55]
mircea_popescu if the odds for a policeman being answered with bullets are ~0%, there can be a country. [19:55]
mircea_popescu if the odds increase past a very tiny epsilon, there can not be a country. [19:55]
mircea_popescu this is strictly true irrespective of any other consideration, and the epsilon can even be calculated quite well. [19:56]
ascii_field then chechnya. which isn't a long-term affair. [19:56]
mircea_popescu not necessarily. [19:56]
mircea_popescu chechnya, in chechnya. romania, in romania. etc. [19:56]
ascii_field modern ro is a somalia ? [19:56]
ascii_field or no ? [19:56]
mircea_popescu "then us finally gets to meet its destiny". [19:56]
ascii_field what % bullet ? [19:56]
mircea_popescu modern ro is kinda what the us aspires to be. and at the point where that happened, about 3%. [19:57]
ascii_field no, what % ~today~ [19:57]
mircea_popescu and the next day, people had to hide the police from the mob, like they were jews suddenly. [19:57]
mircea_popescu today ? why today ? [19:57]
ascii_field re: whether long-term thing or no [19:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80850 @ 0.00067702 = 54.7371 BTC [-] {4} [19:57]
mircea_popescu quite long term. [19:57]
ascii_field anyway usa is on the zimbabwe track not the ro track [19:58]
mircea_popescu nah, us is going to turn into argentina. [19:58]
ascii_field it'll be a 'colour' thing. [19:58]
ascii_field with at least 3 colours [19:58]
mircea_popescu in fact this country is quite exactly the future of the us, almost to the last dash. [19:58]
mircea_popescu and the funny thing is - the usians won't even know it. [19:58]
ascii_field hard to know things when dead [19:59]
mircea_popescu they'll just sue the chinese in a chinese court protesting that the chinese arew forcing them to pay bonds as they promised to pay, [19:59]
mircea_popescu and won't even realise anything's amiss. [19:59]
mircea_popescu will discuss their debates, whatever, "race", "women" bla bla. much like the locals do soccer. [19:59]
ascii_field that is done already? [19:59]
mircea_popescu heck, i can almost see it, "Key West Is American" [19:59]
mircea_popescu buncha veterans of the lost war on lawn of white house, [20:00]
mircea_popescu ascii_field hence my "locals won't even know it"./ [20:00]
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mircea_popescu << i thought ls was the problem. [20:01]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 16:56:49; ascii_field: and is our latest discovery that 'diff' is UNFATHOMABLY retarded ?! [20:01]
ascii_field [20:02]
assbot diffutils.git - GNU diff and patch utilities ... ( ) [20:02]
ascii_field ^ does not invoke 'ls' internally (who is surprised?!) [20:03]
mircea_popescu o.O [20:03]
mircea_popescu why ther fuck would it not [20:03]
ascii_field because. [20:04]
mircea_popescu dude it's almost as if everyone using computers before was just you know, playing. [20:04]
ascii_field 'what if ls is retarded?!' [20:04]
ascii_field 'whaddayathink this is, plan9?' [20:04]
mircea_popescu "what, someone will one day want bitwise identity on outputs ?!? AHAHAHAHAWUT" [20:04]
ascii_field or go ask rms [20:04]
ascii_field (author) [20:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32121 @ 0.00067065 = 21.5419 BTC [-] {3} [20:04]
mircea_popescu i am seriously persuaded that not a single "programmer" alive until 2010 ever realised that yes, bitwise identity is a thing. [20:05]
ascii_field gcc 4.8.0 20120825; see [20:05]
ascii_field . [20:05]
ascii_field */ [20:05]
ascii_field ^ l0l!!!! [20:05]
mircea_popescu fucking openssl dispolays the issue. [20:05]
* ascii_field realized [20:05]
mircea_popescu but i mean it's universal by now. [20:05]
mircea_popescu talk about fucking bit rot. [20:05]
* ascii_field in ~2004-ish [20:05]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field i tell you, trying to convince sopmeone to not mentally s/programmer/monkey/ is a very hard task. [20:05]
mircea_popescu it's as if bitcoin suddenly raised the bar for programming computers and now most everyone's too short to play. [20:06]
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mircea_popescu "wait, THAT is what computers were for ?! all these years!" [20:06]
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mircea_popescu !up ahmed_bodi [20:07]
-assbot- You voiced ahmed_bodi for 30 minutes. [20:07]
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ahmed_bodi thank you [20:07]
mircea_popescu aha. who're you ? [20:07]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: wake me up when time for adacoin. [20:07]
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mircea_popescu you sleep too much! [20:07]
ahmed_bodi Occasional trader. remember trading with a few people here. lost my PGP? key so i cant auth with assbot myself anymore [20:08]
mircea_popescu bad move. [20:08]
mircea_popescu !down ahmed_bodi [20:08]
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mircea_popescu << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product. [20:13]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 18:30:08; kakobrekla: msdos really best of doses ? [20:13]
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mircea_popescu wait. pd-dos was the os one not dr-dos. [20:15]
mircea_popescu ah ok nm, furher down in teh logs huh. [20:17]
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mircea_popescu << lol win [20:17]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 18:48:57; ascii_field: 'the cuckening' [20:17]
shinohai Many testicles will be crushed. [20:18]
mircea_popescu << a ton of uncut cocaine, more than the collected body of us sluts in the proper age could snort anyway. [20:19]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 19:10:43; ascii_field: 'Update: The US Coast Guard informed me that the 16,000 pounds of cocaine seized during the July 18 semi-submersible bust has been changed to 14,000 pounds, due to a "quantity mistake" in their initial report. This story has been changed to reflect that correction' << 2,000 for obamitler's cellar [20:19]
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mircea_popescu << except this is how it works, always and everywhere. /me doth not know a time or a place where it was different. including the early days of the us revolutionary movement, or the days the menshevic faction had the upper hand, or any other time. [20:20]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 19:11:48; trinque: must be something else to be able to be that brazen and *know* not a soul will know or care [20:20]
mircea_popescu this because "the people" have no proper function in government, and unlike the aspie 14%, the people know this well enough. [20:20]
mircea_popescu hence nixon's "silent majority" etc. [20:20]
mircea_popescu << what a great image! [20:22]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 19:54:59; ascii_field: it's kinda like using a branding iron on a snake [20:22]
mircea_popescu is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two [20:23]
BingoBoingo talk about fucking bit rot. << 8 way RAID 1 mirrors are starting to get really appearing just as Bitrot prevention [20:28]
mircea_popescu most bitrot is man made [20:29]
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BingoBoingo Of course. I's just like to kill the Cawsmax Ray excuse [20:30]
BingoBoingo is it me or has alf's figurative speech improved markedly past year or two << like his work I imagine also fueled by his hatred [20:31]
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BingoBoingo scoopbot_revived fetch [20:38]
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scooprot [20:39]
assbot Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( ) [20:39]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you'll have to blockquote code snippets tho [20:40]
BingoBoingo Ah, lemme go in [20:40]
mircea_popescu his true malfeasance and loyalties come to light under superficial examination. [20:42]
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BingoBoingo K, thestringpuller isn't getting shares from Hearn's code [20:42]
mircea_popescu "his true loyalties and thinly disguised malfeasance are apparent even under the most superficial examination" ? [20:42]
mircea_popescu or in any case that closer's broken [20:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14451 @ 0.0007016 = 10.1388 BTC [+] [20:44]
BingoBoingo ah [20:45]
BingoBoingo Should be fixed and in the I can't even department Yet they burned a chunk of North St Last night for the kid who ran out of a crack house [20:47]
assbot ... ( ) [20:47]
BingoBoingo Gawker of course has a piece on Homeboy fleeing the crackhouse and eating pig lead [20:48]
mircea_popescu is this the nyfd shooting or something else [20:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00068949 = 12.5487 BTC [-] [20:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Nah. Two St Louis shootings. One was Ferguson hoodrats shot through a house killing a nine year old with a stray bullet. The other was StL PD shooting a fleeing innocent youth. [20:50]
BingoBoingo Just another innocent youth running from the crack house [20:50]
mircea_popescu in somewhat other news, [20:52]
assbot El Gran' Teatro Argentino - Google Search ... ( ) [20:52]
mircea_popescu above clarin, above trip advisor, above wikipedia, TRILEMA UBER ALLES! [20:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21939 @ 0.00066998 = 14.6987 BTC [-] [20:54]
ag3nt_zer0 hello all [20:55]
mircea_popescu how goes [20:57]
mats [21:03]
assbot ... ( ) [21:03]
ag3nt_zer0 hey it goes pretty good just finsihed my first two days at new elementary music ed job... getting paid to dance with 5 year olds is pretty fucking nice [21:03]
ag3nt_zer0 and yourself? [21:03]
BingoBoingo Don't go Jared [21:06]
ag3nt_zer0 seen this anyone? pretty fucking miraculous that power of music [21:10]
assbot (original) Man In Nursing Home Reacts To Hearing Music From His Era - YouTube ... ( ) [21:10]
BingoBoingo Also, who would have thought "People" magazine would "get it" and join the shitlord train to swolehalla [21:10]
assbot Project Harpoon Slammed for Photoshopping Images of Plus-Size Women : ... ( ) [21:10]
mats BingoBoingo: re: "Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans", some corrections -- "these data structure" >> "these data structures" and "though some voice" >> "though some voices" [21:11]
BingoBoingo ty mats fxd [21:13]
ag3nt_zer0 more miraculous music stuff: melodic intonation therapy [21:15]
assbot Music Therapy and Aphasia - YouTube ... ( ) [21:15]
ag3nt_zer0 ... teaching stroke victims to talk again - after 5 years of fruitless attempts this guys doctor taps and sings happy birthday and the dude just sings it straightaway with him [21:16]
ag3nt_zer0 hadnt been able to speak for 5 years or something [21:16]
ag3nt_zer0 so then they teach him to sing songs, then replace the words with what they actually want to say [21:17]
ag3nt_zer0 then do best to remove the melodic attribute [21:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29450 @ 0.00069913 = 20.5894 BTC [+] {4} [21:24]
asciilifeform << + [21:25]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 23:11:28; mircea_popescu: << actually a dr-dos version would be pretty cool. in fact i would guess an attempt to write private bitcoinfs and make dr-dos check blocks and an attempt to ada-bitcoin would necessarily end with a very similar if not outright identical product. [21:25]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:05; ascii_field: at any rate, msdos provides not one single system call that could be of use to a bitcoind [21:25]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 18:34:19; ascii_field: so a 'dos port' is more appropriately a 'bare metal' port, and doesn't need the dos for anything [21:25]
jurov would be more like "dos extender" [21:27]
asciilifeform jurov: there's no role for a single byte of the dos in ther [21:27]
asciilifeform it literally gives nothing over the naked iron, for this job. [21:27]
asciilifeform not one lick. [21:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2329 @ 0.00091012 = 2.1197 BTC [+] [21:28]
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asciilifeform << aha. for instance, one fella i know loaded the new (today's) 'ashley madison' crud. and one of the archive balls fails pgp sig. [21:28]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 23:27:07; mircea_popescu: most bitrot is man made [21:28]
asciilifeform the interesting one, naturally. [21:28]
jurov i know. just feeling the longing after himen.sys :D [21:30]
jurov (typo intended) [21:30]
asciilifeform jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. [21:31]
asciilifeform to me game on computer is fucking ~synonymous~ with dos. [21:31]
jurov still, i have used t602, too [21:32]
asciilifeform dos is to game as greece is to philosophy. [21:32]
asciilifeform yes, no news, not for long time. but it remains. [21:32]
jurov today's dose of buttcoin [21:33]
assbot Degenerate gambler Mircea Popescu muses about how female monkeys love their rapists but will attack beta males: "No female monkey that's been raped, even if regularly and consistently, ever attacks the rapist." : Buttcoin ... ( ) [21:33]
jurov "What kind of terrible offense must one commit in their past life to be reborn as a trickster god's cruel experiment: a living work of sadistic irony possessing the visual acuity of a hawk, the palate of a dung beetle, and the agency of a mollusk." [21:34]
jurov is that a compliment in disguise? [21:37]
jurov cuz of the hawk... and some molluscs (like cephalopods) are very intelligent [21:38]
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BingoBoingo Indeed OCTOPEx [21:39]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: what's the 'soft pliable other thing' link? [21:41]
asciilifeform right now just points to my site root [21:41]
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BingoBoingo Will fix, intended tungsten mels [21:41]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: in [21:42]
assbot Collected Notes on the XT Client and XTCoin fork | Qntra ... ( ) [21:42]
BingoBoingo *melts [21:42]
BingoBoingo fxd [21:42]
trinque asciilifeform | jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << /me wishes to see asciilifeform's DOS game list, as I was too young to truly appreciate the era [21:47]
trinque had US Navy Fighters and Magic Carpet [21:47]
asciilifeform trinque: pretty much anything by 'sierra' [21:47]
trinque lemmings too [21:47]
mircea_popescu lmao that michelle bachman quote... [21:47]
asciilifeform and 'lucas' [21:47]
trinque cool [21:47]
asciilifeform also microprose, adeline, psygnosis... [21:47]
asciilifeform infogrames [21:48]
asciilifeform buncha others. [21:48]
trinque that'll keep me busy [21:48]
asciilifeform if must start with one - sierra. [21:49]
trinque ah lode runner is theirs? [21:49]
trinque I played that [21:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's not altogether clear multi thread benefits bitcoin much. at least atm. [21:49]
asciilifeform sierra is mainly known the the adventures [21:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gotta have at least a minimal scheduler for tcp/ip [21:50]
mircea_popescu jurov: why long, set up a dos box, enjoy the maxint games which were maxint times better than anything available today. << word. [21:50]
mircea_popescu wait i'm a degenerate gambler now ? how's that work. [21:51]
asciilifeform perhaps it is like being a mollusc? or hawk? or which other animals were mentioned [21:51]
jurov i, in turn, supplied buttcoiners with a certain walrus, we'll see [21:52]
mircea_popescu oh they didn't care for the anthropology bit. [21:52]
BingoBoingo [21:52]
assbot JL: The Stoned Boxer ... ( ) [21:52]
mircea_popescu well heck, how is it my fault nature doesn't fit their projections ffs. [21:52]
BingoBoingo But she was being so unreasonable that it helped my cause. When I told the cops that I slipped the nelson on her they were congratulatory. The one cop says, “Really, man, you used the nelson? Way to go—that’s the best thing for women who are trying to hit you!” [21:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever hear term 'hatefact' ? [21:52]
mircea_popescu i'm a degenerate gambler because us libertard can't stomach monkey rape. wtf already. [21:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform like artefact but for dumb people ? [21:53]
asciilifeform it is the name for, in this case, the monkeyrape [21:54]
mircea_popescu "A group of fat-shaming gamers " << how does that work ? [21:54]
asciilifeform or orwell's 'spanish armada sank' vs chesterton's 'fuck off' [21:54]
mircea_popescu dude wtf, nobody went to school or something. here's some word soup for you! [21:54]
BingoBoingo Gotta counter that double speak with triple listen [21:55]
asciilifeform (chesterton, naturally, as stand-in for his imagined opposition) [21:55]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo ahaha [21:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i don't think chesterton thought anything about orwell past "hack". [21:55]
mircea_popescu in fact, the only actual attention orwell has, at any point, enjoyed, is in the fringe of 1984 afficionados, which suddenly saw itself bitcoinized into relevancy cca 2010. otherwise... [21:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: considering that c died while mr o was a grunt in spain and had total of what, 100 pgs, printed [21:56]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone ever think he's even 2nd rate. [21:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i never got the impression that o had pretences to 'great'. he wrote for the archaeologist. as i do. [21:57]
asciilifeform message in a bottle. [21:57]
mircea_popescu prolly. [21:57]
mircea_popescu hard to say exactly. and im too disinterested to go on a orwell bio kick. [21:57]
asciilifeform wrote because the choices are 'write into a bottle' or 'eat bullet' [21:57]
mircea_popescu mmm [21:58]
mircea_popescu i suspect it's more the case that "wrote because i am wrong, and i know i am wrong, and if i don't write i can't sleep." [21:58]
asciilifeform same thing [21:58]
mircea_popescu "but if i do write i sometimes can also pretend like i don't know that i'm wrong." [21:58]
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mircea_popescu no, not the same thing. [21:58]
ag3nt_zer0 [21:58]
trinque damn. [21:59]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 okay ? [21:59]
asciilifeform ag3nt_zer0: snore. not even from inside crematorium [21:59]
asciilifeform now ~that~ would be a mega-'selfie' [21:59]
ag3nt_zer0 heh [22:00]
asciilifeform or, alternatively, from the gallows [22:00]
asciilifeform hang for a bit, have picture taken. [22:00]
asciilifeform pay $$. [22:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'wrote because i am wrong' is imho correct, but in the ~literal~ sense. as in 'my whole existence is an uncorrectable wrong' [22:02]
mircea_popescu i dun get teh hate. chick owns her camera. wut ? [22:02]
asciilifeform which is why i say that he had no option but 'write' or 'eat nagant' [22:02]
mircea_popescu no, this is not the case. he was just stupid. [22:02]
mircea_popescu not that he didn't know better, either. [22:02]
mircea_popescu but he persevered. [22:02]
asciilifeform gimme a smart gedankenorwell then [22:02]
asciilifeform what'd he do [22:03]
mircea_popescu the italian guy. [22:03]
asciilifeform evola ? [22:03]
mircea_popescu smart gedankenorwell is evola, yes. [22:03]
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asciilifeform evola was a money man [22:03]
mircea_popescu so ? [22:03]
asciilifeform orwell - not. [22:03]
asciilifeform so not reconcilable. [22:03]
mircea_popescu heh. [22:03]
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asciilifeform the ragged dervish is permanently preoccupied with starvation [22:03]
ag3nt_zer0 mircea_popescu yeah not sure about her intentions... my first inclination was just to think she was an idiot but on second thought that thought is a bit idiotic [22:03]
asciilifeform i can speak for this. [22:03]
mircea_popescu ag3nt_zer0 why can't it be that the woman does whatever the fuck she wants with the camera she boughjt in the space she paid for and everyone else can just go dangle ? [22:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17768 @ 0.00066968 = 11.8989 BTC [-] {3} [22:04]
ag3nt_zer0 sounds fine to me [22:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: because, apparently, sacrilege1111!!11 [22:05]
mircea_popescu yaya. because apparently "there's six million idiots with nothing better to do on the web". [22:05]
asciilifeform why can't herr luther do whatever the fuck he wants with the ink that he bought with the paper that he bought.... [22:05]
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mircea_popescu some objectionable twerp is proud about how she's teaching some unfortunate nigglets to "Talk trash" about random strangers, [22:05]
mircea_popescu and not only isn't she fired for this, but somehow "the community" thinks this is sane. [22:06]
mircea_popescu i'd fire her. she wants to teach the kids to talk trash about random people, that's what lincoln is for. [22:06]
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mircea_popescu anyway, it'd seem the fact that rape doesn't work in nature liek reddit wants it to is becoming a much bigger problem reddit has with mp than merely the fact that money doesn't work in nature like reddit wants it to. [22:08]
mircea_popescu see alf, sex trumps money. [22:08]
asciilifeform the 'pyramid' nonsense aside, people do end up fixated with whatever their unmet animal itch is [22:09]
asciilifeform if food - food [22:09]
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mircea_popescu "I'd say he has completely lost the plot at this stage. He was calling bitcoinXT an altcoin long before it was even suggested. I can't imagine what's going through his mind right now given that I could imagine the completely fucked up shit that was happening before." << if anyone has a reddit to english translation service, please help. [22:09]
mircea_popescu somehow the words fail to sentence. what's the man trying to say ? [22:09]
asciilifeform next ask for frog2english [22:09]
asciilifeform brekekekekex koax koax. [22:09]
asciilifeform ^ is what he says. [22:09]
asciilifeform how and what else. [22:09]
trinque as per that thread, nobody's going to fuck him for it [22:09]
trinque more like a death rattle maybe? [22:10]
mircea_popescu no but seriously. so he could imagine what was going through my head. and then i was right long before people even knew what it was called and therefore... [22:10]
trinque I like to think I can speak idiot but.. [22:10]
mircea_popescu i can't even tell if that's supposed to be laudative or deprecatory. [22:10]
asciilifeform frog only knows how to say one thing: 'i am frog' [22:10]
trinque sounds like mp doesn't know what's going on because he predicted the present outcome before the community was onboard with the notion [22:11]
mircea_popescu so technically they should be called rippits. [22:11]
trinque !b 1 [22:11]
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mircea_popescu such colonialsim, calling rippits frogs. [22:11]
asciilifeform brekekex. [22:11]
mircea_popescu trinque ok but how does that make any sense lol. [22:11]
trinque mircea_popescu: because any opinion outside the hive mind is arbitrary! [22:11]
trinque I mean where do opinions come from if not that? [22:12]
mircea_popescu "An asshole with these opinions on women cannot be trusted to be kinder to his customers." [22:12]
asciilifeform [22:12]
assbot ΤΑ ΒΑΤΡΑΧΑΚΙΑ (ΒΡΕΚΕΚΕΞ-ΚΟΥΑΞ-ΚΟΥΑΞ) - YouTube ... ( ) [22:12]
mircea_popescu except i was discussing female monkeys... [22:12]
trinque nature is sexist. [22:12]
kakobrekla its what they are fucking, its what they feel for. [22:12]
mircea_popescu you know, the average monkey is both much smaller overall, and then her cunt's much tinier proportionately still ? [22:14]
mircea_popescu you cant fuck monkeys. [22:14]
kakobrekla you can will a small enough gear prolly. [22:14]
mircea_popescu hm [22:14]
mircea_popescu no but really - as far as animalia is concerned, humans have HUMONGOUS penises. [22:14]
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trinque yeah, even gorillas have tiny ones [22:15]
asciilifeform [22:15]
assbot Logged on 28-07-2014 21:25:42; mircea_popescu: A CS student named Lin had a prick the size of a pin. It was no good for girls but just great for squirrels, they squealed with delight with it in. [22:15]
mircea_popescu yes. [22:15]
mats lol. [22:15]
asciilifeform ^ see also [22:15]
mircea_popescu lol [22:15]
trinque hahaha [22:15]
trinque must've been some serious run-away dick selection in human history [22:15]
mircea_popescu trinque language. [22:15]
trinque whoops [22:16]
mircea_popescu language was the original russian brides website. [22:16]
trinque oh lol, got it [22:16]
trinque so being able to refer to the thing caused it? [22:16]
mircea_popescu (the fact that you can talk to a mated female, on top of all the other strategies to get her to fuck outside her pair, changes everything. [22:16]
mircea_popescu and yes, penis size and female fixation are inversely correlated) [22:16]
trinque hm, inversely. /me ponders [22:17]
mircea_popescu which is why, to this day, the best strat to get laid is to TALK TO HER. [22:17]
mircea_popescu today as 100k years ago. [22:17]
mircea_popescu and, for a lol, penis size and social structured-ness are ALSO inversely correlated. which is why azns have the tiniest, and africans the biggest. [22:19]
mircea_popescu azns build the best empires. [22:19]
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mircea_popescu "]sciencehatesyouSorry for your loss[S] 2 points 14 minutes ago [22:21]
mircea_popescu What strikes me in all these IRC convos involving butters is that they are not talking. This is not a conversation. They say shit past each other. No one listens, no one responds, they're just on some dumbass tirade for no purpose." [22:21]
mircea_popescu hey, is this true ?! [22:21]
* mircea_popescu is depressed. ALL THESE YEARS. [22:23]
trinque I don't know that I've ever seen better conversation anywhere else. [22:23]
asciilifeform trinque only thinks this because he took the lsd! [22:23]
trinque but how to measure that in upvotes [22:23]
trinque one too many, I'm on a permanent trip [22:24]
mircea_popescu maybe the conversation's too o'cult. [22:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: try this on for size: [22:24]
asciilifeform /* Use locale-specific sorting if possible, else native byte order. */ [22:24]
asciilifeform locale_specific_sorting = true; [22:24]
asciilifeform ^ guess from where. [22:25]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [22:25]
mircea_popescu diff [22:25]
asciilifeform aha. [22:25]
mircea_popescu what the shit already. [22:25]
mircea_popescu WHO thinks like this. i wish to know. [22:25]
mircea_popescu who figures "hey, i'll write a tool, and if it does different things for different people - all the better!" [22:25]
asciilifeform guess who. [22:25]
mircea_popescu a programmer! [22:25]
mircea_popescu it's fucking incredible the serendipity of this shit as overlapped on that convo. [22:26]
asciilifeform 'pogrommer' (in the words of ex-gf) [22:26]
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mircea_popescu Matches for haslink:true, 5789 total results [22:29]
asciilifeform so i diff my genesis and mod6, and what do i find. [22:29]
mircea_popescu over the past ~year or so. [22:29]
asciilifeform my diff sorts lexicographic by terminal file name. as the gods meant. [22:29]
asciilifeform that is, by ascii [22:30]
asciilifeform n00bz - 'man ascii' on your terminal if unsure what the order is! [22:30]
asciilifeform or open a fcking b00k [22:30]
phf james lafond incidentally wrote how old time pubs were places were men could run wild boasts by the others and get called out or not, and that this form of conversation has been lost. seems to me in "consensus" places there's always some fuck ready to butt in into any point, just to make a counterpoint, that it's inconceivable for redditards that there's a dozen reading and thinking without running their mouths [22:31]
mircea_popescu phf i dun think it was lost, myself. [22:31]
mircea_popescu at the very least it survives in the better prep classes for lawschool. [22:31]
asciilifeform it survives (in anglo world) like panda survives. in a zoo or two. [22:32]
mircea_popescu what has happened however was a shear (ie, kill the middle). there is no point in carnation lower class men should be engaging in this sport, that's not in any sense their place. not like a random blue collar derp can, through no matter how liberal application of port and tavern-debate, become an engineer. [22:32]
mircea_popescu so it was sort-of abandoned for the mass. [22:33]
BingoBoingo brekekex. << brekekekeke,Frounce,Frounce,Frounce [22:33]
trinque most fragile egos can't handle being contradicted/corrected [22:33]
mircea_popescu "On older terminals, the underscore code is displayed as a left arrow, called backarrow, the caret is displayed as an up-arrow and the vertical bar has a hole in the middle." [22:33]
mircea_popescu motherfucker... OF COURSE THE BAR HAS A HOLE [22:33]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and yes, it's locale retardation. [22:37]
mircea_popescu another thing much in the vein of the old time pub function above was the "calificare la locul de munca", the last breath of apprenticeship. [22:37]
mircea_popescu it died out even in soviet land cca 60s. [22:38]
asciilifeform ;;later tell mod6 do me a little favour and try regenerate your genesis diff with LC_ALL=C prefixed to your shell command. [22:38]
gribble The operation succeeded. [22:38]
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phf mircea_popescu: i think the idea was imprinted on me through soviet imagery still, of a young pioneer politely and carefully observing an older pioneer performing some tricky task, soldering say. the implication was "this old person, knows better, so shut the fuck up and learn" [22:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: confirmed! [22:41]
mircea_popescu phf sure, but most of the things we do today can't be thus learned. [22:41]
mircea_popescu it's a fine way for kittens to learn to mouse, and for young pioneers to learn to solder. [22:41]
mircea_popescu but look how terribru the C rms has learned turns out to be. [22:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i prefixed LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" ./ and ended up with something quite like mod6's diff. [22:41]
mircea_popescu how costly, how hard to fix. this is how he learned, incidentally. and it's no good. [22:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform thanks for nailing this bitch. [22:42]
asciilifeform my pleasure. [22:42]
* asciilifeform washes chopping block [22:42]
mircea_popescu diff for fucks sake. [22:42]
asciilifeform diff. [22:42]
asciilifeform wait till we do 'strings'. which is EXPLOITABLE [22:42]
asciilifeform (yes) [22:42]
mircea_popescu im not using fucking strings lol. [22:43]
asciilifeform but: afaik rms was not directly involved with 'locales'. [22:43]
phf that's fair, though i think the approach can still take you far, as long as you assume that there's someone with better knowledge and taste then yourself, always [22:43]
mircea_popescu and to continue the lolz, [22:43]
assbot Образование и капитализм | Леворадикал ... ( ) [22:43]
mircea_popescu phf the approach can take you very far provided you understand it takes you absolutely nowhere. [22:44]
mircea_popescu then and only then. [22:44]
mircea_popescu most of reddit's problems atm consist of a "but hey, i was at the tavern, i copied the tavern master, therefore i know" [22:44]
mircea_popescu except not. [22:44]
mircea_popescu most of the "community" got passing grades from schools i wouldn't send my donkey to. [22:45]
* asciilifeform presently breaking brain trying to find what the fuck IF_LINT is for [22:45]
asciilifeform << dafuq [22:46]
assbot bison-patches-gnu - IF_LINT is dangerous (Was: Re: Version 2.5_rc1 gcc issues) - msg#00004 - Recent Discussion ... ( ) [22:46]
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asciilifeform << moar pertinently [22:46]
assbot Paul Eggert - Re: Add macros for diagnostic control, use them in locale/weightwc.h ... ( ) [22:46]
asciilifeform 'More important, I looked through some of the Gnulib and GNU utilities code that deals with working around bugs in GCC's diagnostics generation, and -Wmaybe-uninitialized in particular has caused us so much grief that we typically silence it in a different way, which I should mention. We use a macro definition like this:' << holy fuq. [22:47]
asciilifeform is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ? [22:47]
phf hehe, i was going to make a ~joke~ with the description of how if_lint operates, turns out that's how it actually operates. [22:49]
asciilifeform this horror went past the point of being recoverable, long, long ago. [22:49]
asciilifeform apparently. [22:49]
BingoBoingo is there a patient on this operating table at all? or just four-limbed tumour mass ? << Seven limbed actually. You neglected several long tumors have calcified bone like structures [22:50]
asciilifeform and before BingoBoingo says 'bsd' - i will point out that ~all~ of this crap has long metastatized to bsd [22:51]
BingoBoingo But Plan9!!! [22:51]
asciilifeform plan9 is not a unix. it is its own animal. but very much mired in c [22:51]
asciilifeform and worst aspects of unix. [22:52]
* BingoBoingo doesn't doubt that BSD in places where it lacks this particular crap instead had different, but functionally equivalent crap [22:52]
asciilifeform (otherwise very spiffy, largely through having sat out the last 20 yrs of drepperization) [22:52]
* asciilifeform can abide no more of this, in one sitting. off to play with pet [22:53]
BingoBoingo Of course Plan9 is actual expansion of "GNU is not Unix" but at some point if handed C machine must sate it [22:53]
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phf plan9 by the way, uses a custom dialect of C [22:56]
BingoBoingo Also from Outer Space [22:58]
phf so most definitely lizard hitler affiliated [22:59]
BingoBoingo Not necessary. Could be Avian... [23:00]
BingoBoingo I mean you aren't one of those that thinks the reptilians are the only aliens are you? [23:03]
phf i was going to say that it could also be part of venusian conspiracy [23:03]
phf but while researching some line of thought, discovered that they are making a movie of pkd's Radio Free Albemuth. i was who own all those pkd rights? [23:04]
phf *i wonder [23:04]
BingoBoingo I have no idea [23:07]
BingoBoingo Also, coinbase is getting desperate [23:11]
assbot Coinbase Referral Bonuses Have Increased From $25 to $75! ... ( ) [23:11]
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mircea_popescu lol that consensus costs good money. [23:22]
danielpbarron [23:23]
assbot ... ( ) [23:23]
mircea_popescu Иное дело — социализм. Уничтожение различия между физическим и умственным трудом будет происходить именно по линии объединения хозяйства в единый организм во всемирном масштабе, по линии всеобщего обязательного высшего образов [23:24]
mircea_popescu ания, по линии массового доступа ко всем культурным благам всего человечества, по линии сокращения рабочего дня за счёт всеобщей занятости и автоматизации производства. [23:24]
mircea_popescu such fucking wins. [23:24]
mircea_popescu see alfie, programmers! [23:24]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron i can't make out what the problem is ? [23:26]
danielpbarron gpg: WARNING: not a detached signature; file 'buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz' was NOT verified! [23:26]
mircea_popescu ugh [23:26]
danielpbarron version 2 doesn't say that [23:26]
mircea_popescu what the fuckl [23:26]
danielpbarron i google for that text and get very limited results [23:27]
mircea_popescu achtung asciilifeform ! [23:27]
mircea_popescu << it doesn't actually dld. [23:28]
assbot ... ( ) [23:28]
mircea_popescu your .sign file, look at it. is it empty ? [23:28]
danielpbarron oh i'm stupid, it's not really a detached sig [23:29]
mircea_popescu whole thing's a joke anyway. [23:29]
danielpbarron d'oh! it's a clearsigned list of hashes [23:29]
mircea_popescu << look at that stupid shit [23:29]
assbot dpaste: 3KK4002 ... ( ) [23:29]
mircea_popescu i could prolly have the girls crack that 18 bit sig by hand [23:29]
danielpbarron ah so the warning is that it found a file with a name that would suggest it is a detached sig [23:29]
danielpbarron interesting that newer version of gnupg omits this warning [23:30]
danielpbarron i'm probably not alone in assuming that it was a detached sig [23:30]
mircea_popescu inasmuch as the guy links it as "pgp signature"... [23:30]
mircea_popescu you made no assumption. [23:30]
mircea_popescu he stated it was. [23:30]
mircea_popescu in vaguely uninteresting news, [23:35]
mircea_popescu ;;google Shlomo Sorin Rosen [23:35]
gribble Shlomo Sorin Rosen - Wikipedia: ; Rabinului Shlomo Sorin Rosen, cu ocazia incheierii activitatii de ...: ; Sorin Rosen | LinkedIn: [23:35]
mircea_popescu 35 yo ex-chief rabbi of romania, son of an orthodox woman. [23:35]
BingoBoingo !up Vexual [23:38]
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ben_vulpes ;;rated adlai [23:43]
gribble You rated user adlai on Fri Oct 17 11:28:06 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: seems sane. [23:43]
ben_vulpes !rated adlai [23:43]
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ben_vulpes !rate adlai 2 highly educational [23:44]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: super work on the orchestra [23:45]
ben_vulpes i hope to have time to review within the month [23:45]
ben_vulpes whips crack in the uranium mines, tho [23:45]
ben_vulpes christ you have no idea [23:48]
mod6 ben_vulpes! [23:49]
gernika BingoBoingo: "all too happy" - sorry if someone already caught this [23:49]
BingoBoingo gernika: Where? [23:49]
gernika BingoBoingo: [23:50]
assbot Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( ) [23:50]
gernika doh sorry - thestringpuller [23:50]
BingoBoingo thanks, fixed [23:51]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> diff << omfg [23:53]
* mod6 tries [23:54]
ben_vulpes << nifty, thestringpuller [23:54]
assbot Hearn's Blacklist Shenanigans | Qntra ... ( ) [23:54]
mod6 another crazy thing is this BDB configure script. i got rotor to build on i686 with TEST2. but the crazy thing is that it seems to compile just fine when BDB has --host=x86_64-linux OR --host=i386-linux but NOT without a --host= [23:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00068791 = 9.218 BTC [+] [23:55]
mod6 I went spelunking through the BDB configure script. The horror. [23:55]
mircea_popescu it probably defaults to dec or some shit. [23:57]
BingoBoingo Vexual: That clearly belonged in chan [23:58]
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