Forum logs for 19 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

asciilifeform	said insider being the usg shadow of the org in question	[00:00]
asciilifeform	as with gox	[00:00]
asciilifeform	shadow leaves, takes what there is to take, like the old picture of soul leaving a body	[00:00]
*	BingoBoingo would not be surprised if fiat based exchanges report higher than $317/BTC before September 5th	[00:02]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: $10. but available as jam-tomorrow victory bondz from usg, naturally.	[00:02]
asciilifeform	in point of fact i am rather surprised that this is not yet a thing	[00:02]
asciilifeform	(at least not publicly)	[00:02]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Nah, I'm feeling this prediction straight from my friends the testicles	[00:03]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: If this winter made anything clear even USD promise anal rings can't sustain sub $200 BTC	[00:05]
*	asciilifeform has no idea how much sustain-juice is in that tank	[00:05]
asciilifeform	could be litre, could be ocean.	[00:05]
BingoBoingo	No more than Water Buffalo ~400 gallons	[00:06]
BingoBoingo	Reported rates this low always required a Gox	[00:06]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: didja miss the part in the thread where it becomes known that someone let slip a wrong button and gave out $int coins for phree ?	[00:07]
hanbot	qntra article cooking in BingoBoingo?	[00:07]
asciilifeform	(rather, paying folks to take'em ?)	[00:07]
BingoBoingo	Of course. Satoshi did the same 2009-Spring 2011	[00:08]
BingoBoingo	hanbot: At least 8 hours from nao	[00:08]
hanbot	water buffalo gestation!	[00:08]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: when i think of water buffalo, i always think of: http://cds.library.brown.edu/projects/WritingVietnam/readings/tob_true_war.html	[00:09]
assbot	Writing Vietnam - Readings: T. O' Brien ... ( http://bit.ly/1TThIOS )	[00:09]
asciilifeform	(first excerpt on page)	[00:09]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I was refering more to the GI wiLCVfkaLx	[00:11]
asciilifeform	!s wiLCVfkaLx	[00:11]
assbot	0 results for 'wiLCVfkaLx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wiLCVfkaLx	[00:11]
BingoBoingo	www.ebay.com/itm/like/181815242494?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82wiLCVfkaLx	[00:12]
BingoBoingo	http://www.armyproperty.com/Equipment-Info/Pictures/Water-Buffalo.jpg	[00:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TTi3B6 )	[00:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3603 @ 0.00073536 = 2.6495 BTC [+]	[00:21]
asciilifeform	https://cryptome.org/2015/08/att-start-nsa.htm << l0ltr0nic	[00:22]
assbot	Start of ATT Collaboration with NSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTj0JA )	[00:22]
asciilifeform	'Due to the ECI relationship, the technicians for AT&T had to possess a Top Secret security clearance to actually just access the fiber, because they might "accidentally" discover the tap, or discover data being diverted out of the fiber optic multiplexers. By the way, "ECI" means that the company is given a code name to conceal their involvement in illegal activities. For example, AT&T has a code name, MCI has a code name, Sp	[00:22]
asciilifeform	rint has one, and so on. The ECI codename for AT&T is "FAIRVIEW" and also US-990, but pay attention to the US-990 SIGAD code and it tends to indicate when a code and alias was initiated. US-990 dates from the day AT&T was broken up. On that date, each of the "baby bells" was given a ECI codename and SIGAD code name in the manner of that of AT&T.'	[00:22]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform unlike http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/ et al, they didn't have the presence of mind to actually stop new orders.	[00:27]
assbot	Icbit.se, the bucket shop on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTjDml )	[00:27]
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mircea_popescu	some actual users must have put orders in.	[00:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.0007397 = 22.228 BTC [+] {2}	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	but yes, incredibly flaky execution, that's fo sho.	[00:27]
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BingoBoingo	!up Jrum	[00:44]
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BingoBoingo	!up ericp4	[00:44]
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asciilifeform	'As each fiber optic company sought a new undersea cable landing license from the FCC they were required by the NSA to enter into a classified contract with the NSA for TWO access point for each undersea cable. The first access point had to be right at the optical multiplexer which duplicated the optical pulse into the undersea cable, and then a second into a fiber optic cable that fed NSA gear. Then, behind the multiplexer an	[00:46]
asciilifeform	d the switching systems a second access point where the signals exited the cable station to enter the AT&T, Sprint, MCI, etc backbones.'	[00:46]
asciilifeform	(whole thing recommended reading)	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	So moving GeneralLee to port 8333 I've noticed it throws a lot more non-killing errors related to SPV nodes asking it for information with bloom filters, or at least I think that is what the errors are	[00:53]
*	BingoBoingo needs to trap one in the wild	[00:53]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: GetCommand() : type=3 unknown type in ProcessMessage() ?	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Exactly	[00:54]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: harmless. and your description is correct.	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Only 4 in the past 18 hours	[00:54]
BingoBoingo	So SPV, not even that popular	[00:54]
asciilifeform	this, too, is fit subject for a patch;	[00:55]
asciilifeform	no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/#comment-43287	[00:55]
assbot	Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	no reason to clog the exception collector with this crud << Tagged as Africa	[00:55]
hanbot	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hjceh/dont_let_bitfinex_scam_you/cu7v9hg lol	[00:57]
assbot	altctrlcrit comments on Don't let Bitfinex scam you. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmQSU )	[00:57]
BingoBoingo	this, too, is fit subject for a patch; << I imagine orphanage stomping patches will be joined with "Fuck off out of my kitchen" set	[00:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1540 @ 0.0007355 = 1.1327 BTC [-]	[00:59]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: it falls squarely into the 'wouldn't it be nice' set of patches, rather than 'must have yesterday' set	[00:59]
asciilifeform	and therefore i will not be writing it any time soon.	[01:00]
asciilifeform	but you can!	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	Of course. Much as it would be nice to supplement "GeneralLee" on home connection with "GeneralQuantrill" seed and relay slut node on colo eventually.	[01:01]
BingoBoingo	peerdump: http://dpaste.com/2RDCJRD	[01:03]
assbot	dpaste: 2RDCJRD ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTnuQB )	[01:03]
BingoBoingo	Honestly as few fillipenis as stumbled onto node must wonder what the fuck they "wallet" with	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	lol hanbot	[01:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117686 @ 0.00071235 = 83.8336 BTC [-] {5}	[01:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75845 @ 0.00069214 = 52.4954 BTC [-]	[01:20]
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mircea_popescu	meanwhile "5 points 86% upvoted" ... how does this work ?	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	reddit forked math ?	[01:25]
BingoBoingo	A long long time ago, I can still remember the day... Mathematics died	[01:26]
hanbot	American Pi	[01:29]
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BingoBoingo	^	[01:33]
BingoBoingo	OH, now that I mentioned it the SPV niggers are clogging up my errors	[01:33]
*	trinque has learned that beeper services are few and dwindling	[01:35]
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trinque	I'm thinking I could do everything I ever wanted by sending beeper alphanumeric messages which designate some URL whose contents are gpg'd	[01:36]
trinque	so you drive along, you do that, you slurp messages from wifi as you can and want to	[01:36]
trinque	whoever said a guy wanted or needed to be accessible 24/7	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	What pager listens on 2.4 or 5 ghz	[01:38]
trinque	no no	[01:38]
trinque	thought was you could page yourself URLs as a means of signaling	[01:38]
BingoBoingo	Also those baud rates, a bitcoind couldn't keep up	[01:38]
trinque	then you go grab the dpaste url or whatever it is from wherever you like	[01:39]
trinque	and decrypt	[01:39]
BingoBoingo	Do you remember 14.4kbps fax hell?	[01:39]
trinque	my first modem was 28.8, found its screech soothing	[01:39]
trinque	least I think it was 28.8; I was rather young	[01:40]
trinque	http://www.pager99.com/ << looking here	[01:41]
assbot	Pager99 - Pager, Pagers, Paging, Beeper, Beepers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4mFCn )	[01:41]
BingoBoingo	We are talking an ancient time when not the actual mp3, but the peers to find it took minutes	[01:41]
trinque	napster -> winmx -> directconnect -> gnutella	[01:42]
trinque	I think that was the beginning of my progression anyway	[01:42]
trinque	of them winmx was the most hackery-looking, and therefore the best	[01:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68950 @ 0.00071651 = 49.4034 BTC [+]	[01:47]
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danielpbarron	trinque, why do you tell lilo to look in sdb ?	[01:53]
trinque	it's meant to be edited, but it really depends on whether you're targeting a USB stick or the hard drive inside	[01:54]
trinque	depends upon the order in which the drives are enumerated	[01:54]
danielpbarron	oh that was meant specifically to make a bootable flash drive?	[01:55]
danielpbarron	anyhoo i figured it out	[01:55]
trinque	yep	[01:55]
trinque	cool	[01:55]
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mats	asciilifeform: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-mad-1_11-cv-11073/pdf/USCOURTS-mad-1_11-cv-11073-27.pdf	[02:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOvtm )	[02:37]
mats	and https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmatkinson	[02:37]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1hLOBkx )	[02:37]
mats	my read here is this guy is probably an idiot	[02:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00073151 = 8.8513 BTC [+]	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[03:07]
gribble	Current Blocks: 370503 \| Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 \| Next Difficulty In: 440 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[03:07]
punkman	;;ticker --market all	[03:12]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 232.74, vol: 22104.99845004 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 228.475, vol: 15111.77 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.01, vol: 135247.89036003 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 230.01, vol: 30.44604167 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 233.666937, vol: 30038.59510000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 233.55, vol: 703.94647149 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 239.003988935, vol: 132.0671135 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[03:12]
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mircea_popescu	!up brg444	[03:19]
-assbot-	You voiced brg444 for 30 minutes.	[03:19]
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mike_c	i missed the memo, we're all selling now?	[03:20]
brg444	evening!	[03:20]
brg444	did not find anything in the log. was this lulz discussed here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0	[03:21]
assbot	Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3daAd )	[03:21]
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pete_dushenski	mike_c: selling btc to buy s.mpoe y'know	[03:21]
mike_c	srsly	[03:22]
mike_c	just note, there's another random theory in the dust (mpoe correlated to btc price)	[03:22]
mike_c	random walk ftw	[03:22]
pete_dushenski	give it time, there's always a lag for these sorts of things	[03:23]
mircea_popescu	https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hh3pz/i_asstoshi_original_creator_of_buttcoin_have/ << not bad lulz.	[03:24]
assbot	I, Asstoshi, original creator of Buttcoin, have returned. AMA : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dnDE )	[03:24]
brg444	mircea_popescu I happen to have misplaced the email pertinent my trilema.com information access. what would be standard procedure to retrieve said password?	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	brg444 was not, i don't think anyone seriously read that thing.	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	brg444 getting a new one, pretty much.	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	mike_c which way would it correlate ? up or down ?	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	seems it does each about 50% of the time.	[03:25]
mike_c	yeah, who knows	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	mike_c http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ << your memo.	[03:25]
assbot	So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )	[03:25]
brg444	i see	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	so shitcoin-xt is built to run on windows 10 natively i gather ?	[03:26]
punkman	the only local traders I've found so far want 300-400eur per coin :/	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	kudos to the shitdev team!	[03:26]
punkman	(because alt-eurocoin here)	[03:27]
pete_dushenski	punkman: what kind of qty is that for ?	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010379.html << pretty fucking hysterical, how dumb these schmucks are.	[03:27]
punkman	pete_dushenski: I doubt they have any serious qty	[03:27]
assbot	[bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dCOY )	[03:27]
brg444	where may I find most up to date instruction as to how to register with assbot?	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	"Connections are made over clearnet even when using a proxy or onlynet=tor, which leaks connections on the P2P network with the real location of the node. Knowledge of this traffic along with uptime metrics from bitnodes.io can allow observers to easily correlate the location and identity of persons running Shitcoin-XT nodes."	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	!h	[03:28]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[03:28]
pete_dushenski	punkman: i only ask because localbitcoins sellers in canada seem to tap out at $1500	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	brg444 see the chapter called "first steps"	[03:28]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: time to inform mr and mrs old timey derpminers, the qntra ones	[03:30]
punkman	oh apparently I can send 500eur per month outside of greece now! lol	[03:30]
pete_dushenski	'toomin bros bitcoin mining concern ltd'	[03:31]
pete_dushenski	'We conduct our business in a way that protects the blockchain against plurality attacks, and our planet's climate against warming. We hope you'll join us.'	[03:31]
pete_dushenski	they seem to to be located in ben_vulpes' corner of the world	[03:32]
brg444	!register 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22	[03:33]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22. This may take a few moments.	[03:33]
assbot	No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.	[03:33]
pete_dushenski	might take a few minutes if it's a new key	[03:34]
pete_dushenski	no rush	[03:34]
punkman	so this is a curious tidbit from updated capital control rulez. No early repayment of loans unless you are paying cash, foreign bank wire, or refinancing with new loan.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	how else ?	[03:37]
punkman	domestic bank wire	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	writing's on the wall, you'll get "stabilized".	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	what did cypriots get hit with, 84% ?	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	they're still negotiating it, obviously, which is why the rule. but i doubt it'll be under 70%.	[03:38]
brg444	Hi pete. What qualifies as new in that case? It is one I created a few months ago following the instructions on your blog..	[03:39]
punkman	wasn't nearly as bad in cyprus	[03:39]
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pete_dushenski	brg444: hm. new is minutes not months.	[03:40]
brg444	Yes. That would make sense	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	punkman yeah iut was ?	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/time-for-europe-to-repeal-the-us-backed-aml-crap/	[03:41]
assbot	Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3esew )	[03:41]
punkman	mircea_popescu: I meant compare to .gr, not your percentages	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	balance 849k euro, available 128k euro	[03:41]
pete_dushenski	brg444: look for 'send to keyserver' if you're using a gui app.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	oh. yeah, but quickly diminshing returns. something like 86-88% is probably right.	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	meaning that if you had a 1mn euro loan, and a 1mn euro bank deposit, you just lost enough to buy twelve houses.	[03:42]
brg444	Done, wait a few I guess?	[03:42]
pete_dushenski	brg444: yup	[03:42]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: lest we forget that italy did !	[03:42]
pete_dushenski	repeal. for bitcoin bizniz.	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22 << doesn't seem to exist brg444	[03:42]
assbot	No results found ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3eAed )	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	punkman and they're derping about for a few weeks while people can get a few hundreds out so the poor people can slowly leech their accounts during the interval.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	"decrease social costs", ie, lose less votes.	[03:44]
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punkman	hmm trying to find exact numbers from cyprus bail-in but it's all spammy blog posts	[03:50]
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pete_dushenski	i seem to recall 40-50%	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	not like they ever told the truth.	[03:50]
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punkman	I bet some russians lost 80%	[03:50]
punkman	"As part of the deal, BoC absorbed the loans and insured deposits of Laiki, formerly the second-biggest bank, after its uninsured deposits had been comprehensively bailed in. The new bank was then recapitalised by converting 47.5% of BoC’s uninsured deposits into equity."	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	the thing is... even after that cyprus thing, there were still peopel thick enough to keep money in greek banks.	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	and even today, there's people with dollars in us banks etc.	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	there's truly no curing human idiocy. butcher them and lay em out in the sun is the only cure.	[03:53]
punkman	yes that's the only reason I keep mentioning the greek situation. Tomorrow it's gonna be you.	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	well, not me, but yes, everyone who "had no alternative".	[03:53]
punkman	for some values of you, yes	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	do not ask whom the fiat sovereigns fleece, my friend... for they fleece you.	[03:54]
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cazalla	;;later tell bitstein ofn, i published an article on that like a month ago, not sure why it is back in the news cycle again	[04:00]
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mircea_popescu	!up BananaLotus	[04:03]
-assbot-	You voiced BananaLotus for 30 minutes.	[04:03]
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cazalla	i expect today's logs shall be good	[04:03]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242024 <<< nope, 4chan is a sjw safe place these days	[04:03]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 10:56:14; shinohai: ^ next she should go take on 4chan racists	[04:03]
pete_dushenski	BananaLotus: are you the banana troll from the contravex comments ?	[04:05]
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punkman	http://www.economist.com/news/business-and-finance/21661404-spat-between-developers-may-split-digital-currency-forking-hell	[04:07]
assbot	Explicit cookie consent \| The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3h0JN )	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	this being 4chan's what, 4th ? 5th ? alignment to boring ?	[04:08]
pete_dushenski	bi, vox, economist, everyone's takin' their potshots	[04:08]
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mircea_popescu	what else is a media good for!	[04:09]
punkman	Guardian: "Bitcoin's forked: chief scientist launches alternative proposal for the currency"	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	and no word about teh found satoshi, hm ?	[04:09]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: pictures of new jersey ?	[04:09]
*	mircea_popescu recalls how excited they were over this, a year ago. almost looked like it's a thing that matters, to hear them talk.	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	but now, suddenlyt, somehow, not any longer.	[04:10]
mike_c	;;ticker --market bitfinex	[04:10]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 235.57, Best ask: 235.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 135720.2893984, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	ah if only satoshi had the foresight to not piss all over the face of usg!	[04:10]
pete_dushenski	162!	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	how famous and important he could have been.	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	"chief scientist of a fraudulent foundation run by some people we've still, somehow, magically, not gotten around to investigating. hurr."	[04:11]
mike_c	too much drama for me. i'm going to bed.	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	sleep tight.	[04:11]
punkman	"BitBeat: Bitcoin’s Noisy Size Debate Reaches a Hard Fork" some hilarious titles	[04:11]
mike_c	this terminology.. how is yet another altcoin a hard fork	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	if only bitfinex was worth twoi shits, and the planned price movement caught on, and all the alt-articles they tabled could have been published. aww what a glorious day could have been.	[04:12]
punkman	BBC: "Bitcoin could split in debate over currency's future"	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	mike_c how is osama a terrorist and obama a peace prize winner ?	[04:12]
mike_c	yeah, i'm just too tired to keep even keel. they are annoying me today. just stop fucking with it so we can do some useful things.	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	not like you have to read the fishwrappers.	[04:13]
punkman	sorry for triggering mike_c	[04:14]
mike_c	well, i don't. but some of it leaks in here :)	[04:14]
punkman	Vox: "Bitcoin is on the verge of a constitutional crisis"	[04:14]
mike_c	hehe	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	i kinda have a lulz reading the stuff now and again, but yeah, too much can readily bristle one.	[04:14]
pete_dushenski	bi "A bitcoin civil war is threatening to tear the digital currency in two"	[04:14]
pete_dushenski	one side: scammers, other side:...	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	must suck to be this powerless, after having imagined oneself almighty.	[04:15]
*	mircea_popescu commiserates.	[04:15]
mike_c	that part i do enjoy. when the flailing subsides and they just look stupid.	[04:15]
punkman	http://cointelegraph.com/news/115143/greece-to-receive-1000-bitcoin-atms-as-trust-in-banks-long-gone	[04:15]
assbot	Greece to Receive 1,000 Bitcoin ATMs as Trust in Banks ‘Long Gone’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjAf86 )	[04:15]
pete_dushenski	^sounds very 2013	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	yeah, right. because they're going to pay in goats.	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	the goat-to-btc atm.	[04:16]
pete_dushenski	baaatoshi	[04:16]
punkman	they are Turks, so they probably could deal with goats	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	ajhahahaha	[04:16]
mike_c	hehe. is that coinion thing still going?	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	punkman amusingly, reviewing the (little) record from the 1700s, what the turks wanted from turkish part of romania was : a) sheep ; b) women. a distant 3rd, wax and honey.	[04:17]
mike_c	aww, doesn't look like it. too bad, they were funny	[04:17]
pete_dushenski	mike_c: looks like it's been a full year since a tweet outta 'coinion;	[04:18]
mike_c	and the domain is dead	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	i don't readily recall anything of theirs. what was funniest ?	[04:18]
mike_c	you offered to pay them	[04:18]
pete_dushenski	mike_c: talk about a market opportunity	[04:18]
mike_c	if they published x articles	[04:18]
mike_c	!s from:mircea_popescu coinion	[04:18]
assbot	0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu coinion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+coinion	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	hm	[04:19]
pete_dushenski	"Many of the newcomers filing in on Mondays may not be there in a few years. The company’s winners dream up innovations that they roll out to a quarter-billion customers and accrue small fortunes in soaring stock. Losers leave or are fired in annual cullings of the staff — “purposeful Darwinism,”"	[04:19]
pete_dushenski	“Nearly every person I worked with, I saw cry at their desk.”	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	what novel gunk is this ?	[04:21]
pete_dushenski	scamazon	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	it reads to me approximately like http://41.media.tumblr.com/08f95c44bd6615287bbd30c66e0201f4/tumblr_nsav9l7SJI1uzeq7qo1_1280.jpg looks to you.	[04:21]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J3ilAc )	[04:21]
punkman	ahaha	[04:21]
mike_c	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-07-2014#762630	[04:22]
assbot	Logged on 20-07-2014 21:36:28; mircea_popescu: http://www.theonion.com/articles/openminded-man-grimly-realizes-how-much-life-hes-w,19273/ << the end of fucking days, when the parody sites are more truthful than the "serious" networks.	[04:22]
mike_c	doh, wrong one	[04:22]
mike_c	can't find it.	[04:22]
mike_c	anyway, bed for realz. later all.	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	FUD!	[04:22]
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punkman	"This email is to notify that your following domains have been automatically renewed as per your request and the amount was debited from your Credit Card" oh nice, can't keep spending the bitcoins here	[04:23]
pete_dushenski	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html << for anyone who wants to read why u.s. workplace culture is done like turkey dinner, this is supposed to be 'edgy' and 'controversial'	[04:23]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3itQj )	[04:24]
mircea_popescu	here's one for BingoBoingo http://36.media.tumblr.com/655bd41bfcd346ef3638d0591d860c3b/tumblr_nq4ryt4Kw41s1mjnbo1_1280.jpg	[04:25]
punkman	http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/ that's even better than the "scalability workshops"	[04:26]
assbot	Consensus 2015 - TimesCenter, New York, 10th September ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjBp3m )	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha.	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	demo-craci. based on the happenstance that the way you say "ankles to ears" in romanian is "umeri-craci"	[04:27]
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danielpbarron	https://twitter.com/BitcoinBelle/status/633899543608852480	[04:28]
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mircea_popescu	ahahaha what.	[04:29]
pete_dushenski	the agent is... her husband	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	i feel very confused, because i thought the anon derp in question was really part of the team that arrested miloshevich	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	no no wait. she was on the ship that discovered antarctica. which is why it was called antartibelle. right ?	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	that's not right either. was she the inventor of savarines ? which were then named after her ?	[04:32]
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mircea_popescu	memory fails me. but i'm sure nobody on twitter is nevertheless a major force in things and such.	[04:34]
pete_dushenski	she was the one who married the beast, who turned out to be an enchanted prince, who turned out to be an fbi agent	[04:34]
*	punkman lost the plot	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	punkman that's the sort of anarcho-patriarchist attitude that keeps women down under tech and stuff.	[04:35]
pete_dushenski	oz women like it like that.	[04:36]
punkman	http://www.coindesk.com/new-scholarships-aim-to-boost-diversity-in-blockchain-space/	[04:37]
assbot	New Scholarships Aim to Boost Diversity in Blockchain Space ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjCSGO )	[04:37]
pete_dushenski	sponsored by intel ?	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	"blockchain space" ?!	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	o right right, because in their alt-reality it's not really the bitcoin, it's "the blockchain technologee". nearly forgot.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	"DI$RUPTIV3 @BitcoinBelle · Jan 6 You are far grander than you think you are. Dare to blow your own mind with how bold and beautiful you can be."	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, i actually... called it ?	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	this is why smart women dun like you.	[04:40]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242461 << 1000 mb / 128 mb != 64...	[04:50]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 19:23:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242168 << it is, lol. check out the idiot. 3 years, up 64x. 4 more years, up 32x. 5 more years, up 2x.	[04:50]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242457 << nah. i'm just getting closer to the age you were when you penned that one	[04:51]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 19:21:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242153 << i take it pete read http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ ? somehow ?	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	heh	[04:51]
pete_dushenski	bringing up the rear !	[04:52]
chetty	http://www.wired.com/2015/08/happened-hackers-posted-stolen-ashley-madison-data/	[05:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NjGdFY )	[05:02]
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punkman	oh now BitcoinBelle makes sense	[05:12]
punkman	https://alibi.cs.umd.edu/	[05:18]
assbot	Alibi Routing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjIBwy )	[05:18]
shinohai	http://qntra.net/2015/08/coinwallet-plans-spam-while-the-spamming-is-cheap/#comment-43287 <<< top kek BingoBoingo	[05:24]
assbot	Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )	[05:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74600 @ 0.00070871 = 52.8698 BTC [-] {5}	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	ftr they have been available for a week or so.	[05:40]
shinohai	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMwly0yUsAA414a.png	[05:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PyXf16 )	[05:50]
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punkman	http://www.newson6.com/story/29826547/man-accidentally-shoots-self-while-guarding-muslim-free-oktaha-gun-store	[08:56]
assbot	Man Accidentally Shoots Self While Guarding 'Muslim-Free' Oktaha - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com \| ... ( http://bit.ly/1gX73pM )	[08:56]
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shinohai	http://redd.it/3hiyg3	[09:01]
shinohai	And kek punkman	[09:01]
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BingoBoingo	Oh Arse Technica just ran Hearn's blogpost as an Op Ed	[09:43]
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btcdrak	https://twitter.com/DanDarkPill/status/633989558917435393/photo/1	[10:14]
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mats	lots of mpoe moves while i snoozed	[10:59]
mats	=[	[10:59]
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mats	https://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/21/hardware-side-channels-in-the-cloud	[11:17]
assbot	Hardware Side Channels in the Cloud – Trail of Bits Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVMXlj )	[11:17]
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lobbes	!rated mircea_popescu	[11:24]
assbot	You rated user mircea_popescu on 03-Dec-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: trilema credits.	[11:24]
lobbes	!rate mircea_popescu 2 trilema credits. Also, he's Mircea Popescu	[11:24]
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assbot	Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: trilema credits. Also, he's Mircea Popescu	[11:25]
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mats	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236371 << windows will actually scan memory for magic bytes and use it	[11:29]
assbot	Logged on 12-08-2015 21:41:42; ascii_field: 'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:windowssystem32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since	[11:29]
asciilifeform	mats: aha.	[11:30]
asciilifeform	mats: folks were getting wise to the old-fashioned diddled boot sector. therefore, this.	[11:30]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: what ended up happening with this patch? << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150803/asciilifeform_jettison_mempool_195c600991e7306b0f21eddd834b38b9301cf12b.patch	[11:32]
mats	a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.	[11:32]
asciilifeform	http://www.troyhunt.com/2015/07/heres-how-im-going-to-handle-ashley.html << watch the 'responsible disclosure' twerps stuff head farther than ever thought possible up own arse	[11:33]
assbot	Troy Hunt: Here’s how I’m going to handle the Ashley Madison data ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVOnfF )	[11:33]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)	[11:34]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: at some point i will write a working version of it.	[11:34]
asciilifeform	when - i do not know.	[11:35]
thestringpuller	the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy	[11:35]
thestringpuller	i was going to mess around with it	[11:35]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: must understand, this was intended solely for laboratory purposes	[11:35]
asciilifeform	that is, to discover whether there are non-mempool-related leaks	[11:35]
thestringpuller	ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.	[11:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243805 << 'even root'. what nonsense is this. root isn't root if he can't, e.g., operate a dma-capable device on the bus and flip arbitrary bits	[11:36]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 14:30:26; mats: a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.	[11:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243815 << correct.	[11:38]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 14:34:40; thestringpuller: ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.	[11:38]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243763 << do we have a mirror ? if not, why not ?	[11:40]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 08:38:36; mircea_popescu: ftr they have been available for a week or so.	[11:40]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:40]
asciilifeform	'Consensus 2015 is working with MIT Media Lab's Digital Currency Initiative to boost diversity in the cryptocurrency space by offering 50 Consensus Scholarships to young women and people of colour.' << glorious	[11:41]
asciilifeform	does each one of the 50 muppets get a fed-backed altcoin ?	[11:42]
*	mats regrets not being an american indian black disabled LGBT veteran	[11:44]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243747 << does mircea_popescu remember the thread about the fight of monkey vs man ? and whether the man is necessarily smarter, if cannot win. i dare say this applies here. perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg	[11:45]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 07:38:24; mircea_popescu: hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?	[11:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00068997 = 2.2079 BTC [-]	[11:45]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 << destructors. for anyone actually reading this.	[11:49]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)	[11:49]
*	asciilifeform bbl	[11:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75650 @ 0.00069714 = 52.7386 BTC [+]	[11:49]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00068797 = 21.9462 BTC [-]	[11:57]
mod6	<+thestringpuller> the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy << wait, wat?!	[12:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39294 @ 0.00068785 = 27.0284 BTC [-] {3}	[12:05]
thestringpuller	mod6: my bad BingoBoingo informed me of the data structure idiocy	[12:08]
mod6	did you add that patch to your currently running node on aws?	[12:09]
thestringpuller	no.	[12:10]
thestringpuller	just reading the patches.	[12:10]
mod6	alrighty.	[12:10]
thestringpuller	i too am interested in the memory footprint and any potential leaks etc.	[12:17]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJSYeqXHm38	[12:31]
assbot	UK, Lada Cars Television / Cinema Commercial 1980 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuANqU )	[12:31]
phf	odd because map::clear documentation says "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed)"	[12:35]
phf	elsewhere says "Invalidates any references, pointers, or iterators referring to contained elements"	[12:37]
phf	but then a stackoverflow answer says that std::map doesn't manage, and require for(...) delete iter->second;	[12:40]
phf	what fun language	[12:40]
phf	thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment	[12:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00072197 = 8.8802 BTC [+] {3}	[12:44]
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mircea_popescu	!up jborkl	[13:07]
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-assbot-	You voiced jborkl for 30 minutes.	[13:07]
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mircea_popescu	mats seems it stayed around 7 and a leaf anyway	[13:08]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMxiJLoUYAA-GxN.png << lol not bad.	[13:09]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NuK81Q )	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin sorely needs something like a humor outleta comic. something.	[13:09]
jborkl	hey guys	[13:10]
jborkl	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-19/bitcoin-battered-after-governance-coup	[13:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NuKo0S )	[13:11]
jurov	https://i.imgur.com/vafOPbZ.jpg	[13:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NuKqFW )	[13:11]
jborkl	whats all this non sense, hhe	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	they forgot "failed" and to delete "battered" in there.	[13:11]
jurov	^ lame but kinda humor, too	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	"he data needs to be treated as “sensitive” and not available to the masses"	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	heh, fucktards.	[13:12]
punkman	someone needs to explain the bikini wax joke to me	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	dude... your wife is cheating on you. with me. ain't jack shit you can d oabout it, now go put on those panties she bought you and wash the fucking dishes.	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	and no, it has nothing to do with "big cocks".	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	punkman ever see a chicken get in a terrible wood saw accident, resulting in a bloodied half body strutting around as if nothing happened ?	[13:13]
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jborkl	yeah	[13:14]
punkman	haven't had the pleasure	[13:14]
jborkl	it chills for a little bit, like all is good	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	well apparently you're missing a fundamental life experience that's integral to understanding a swathe of humor!	[13:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57800 @ 0.00072186 = 41.7235 BTC [-]	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i actually enjoy the butthurt tears of the jwz twerps. "oh, we can't pretend nothing happened now ?!?!?! hurrrrrr"	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.	[13:16]
mircea_popescu	"Hey, I know you're trying to make a point and all, but do you mind removing me from the list?" then, now AND 4EVAR!!11	[13:17]
[\]	bye felicia	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if not, why not ? << because we aren't the usg of internet. here's how the hackerteam stuff looks, by the way : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bw-hackerteam.png	[13:20]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NuMnSG )	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	a terrabyte's not expensive or anything. on the other hand, i'm sure i could burn an infinite amount of resources feeding the idle internet twerps.	[13:22]
*	mircea_popescu has absolutely no trust left in the value or importance of "the internet community". serving it is not unlike serving cockroaches.	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	let them go read the guardian or whatever the fuck it is that they do. what mirror.	[13:23]
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mircea_popescu	perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.	[13:28]
mats	lol...	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	anyway, she's clearly as dumb as that polyanna chick, or as boiled frogs, whichever you prefer. she looks like a marginal stripper at best. so yes, given her meagre assets, certainly living the soccer mom life of a wife of some usg twerp is much better than living the stripper life of her mates.	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	ra-ra-ra, gooooo BAAADGERS!!11	[13:35]
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mats	there was a chick who looked 17 that took 5-10s to figure out $10-3.50=6.50 wtf is goin on here	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	* asciilifeform bbl <<< ran into similar issues with eulora. the thing is, as inconvenient as that may be, there's no actual alternative.	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	programmatic destructures work shittily enough you just end up with segfaults.	[13:38]
mats	incidentally, in cambridge, MA, at a farmer's market	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	jborkl well, nth abortive attempt to "rein in" btc.	[13:40]
scoopbot_revived	Vox populi, vox dei, no more. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/vox-populi-vox-dei-no-more/	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[13:41]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[13:41]
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mircea_popescu	mats mebbe she was playin' moe.	[13:41]
mats	wat is moe	[13:41]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243849 << no go! this invalidates the iterator	[13:42]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 15:40:35; phf: thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	clearly you're not ready to go back to asia.	[13:42]
ascii_field	phf: that was actually my first try. it explodes in a fireball.	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field exactly. which is why this is not trivial.	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	how was that ancient observation, "i know how to make a better garbage collector..." ?	[13:43]
ascii_field	it's trivial!	[13:46]
ascii_field	i just don't have time to do everything in one day!	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	sucks.	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	in lighter news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/5f66adc5ef59d09907a113934e01e138/tumblr_nq34p3RluW1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg	[13:49]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UT8BjE )	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	and to illustrate that "women on heels > any other women" point, http://40.media.tumblr.com/492f8f1ab819efdd19fa683e186d4b4c/tumblr_nq34ifAzsi1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg	[13:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UT8HYn )	[13:50]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243885 << mega-win	[13:54]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 16:26:51; mircea_popescu: perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.	[13:54]
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mircea_popescu	:D	[13:54]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243877 << they're still living in the 'we pushed the unhappen button and it unhappened, motherfuckerz' universe	[13:55]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 16:14:37; mircea_popescu: not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	more like "the world exists to cater to me and so it SHOULD be the case this unhappened".	[13:55]
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mircea_popescu	bad parenting resplendant.	[13:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41744 @ 0.00072186 = 30.1333 BTC [-] {2}	[13:55]
ascii_field	now if only they were running a reactor, or a military engagement, and were now dead	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	except they'd do more damage than they're worth, if they had.	[13:57]
ascii_field	but no, the sc4mz0rz will reconvene under a new flag and run another usg-funded scam	[13:57]
ascii_field	just like gavin & co	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	inconvenient as this may be, it's still optimal.	[13:57]
ascii_field	wai wat, they aren't presently warehoused there ?	[13:57]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[13:57]
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mircea_popescu	but yes, re the smarts bit : what distinguishes an agent undercover in shit from a housewife made out of straight shit, is that the former has, however tenuous, however rare, a place to speak the truth straight. radically so, as the case may be.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	and the fact that there's someone else at the end of the line, not merely listening but actively seeking that truth, is what drives the profession.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	which is how and why the su had no trouble at all recruiting agents in the us. even though, in any sense of summary view, it made jack shit sense of some people living in abundence to confederate with some idiots powering the empire of ideologically driven poverty.	[14:01]
ascii_field	it made glorious sense	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	but only for this reason and no other.	[14:02]
ascii_field	needs no other.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	myeah	[14:02]
mats	mircea_popescu: oh, some japanese thing? 'cute'?	[14:05]
mircea_popescu	it's not cute. it's sexually relevant helplessness.	[14:06]
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mats	oh. well, she asked another employee for help, so i'm almost 100% sure it wasn't a play.	[14:06]
mats	ploy*	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	aok	[14:06]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243924 << the one thing we're pretty much guaranteed not to see - like orwell's 'jingo with a bullet hole in him' - is one of the 'executive' twerps sweating in a cubicle, sleeping not-at-all-ad-libitum, living in a verminous flat with roommates	[14:06]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 16:55:13; mircea_popescu: no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field this purely psychogenic conviction of yours results from lack of exposure.	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	go, meet some of these "executives".	[14:07]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: understand, my exposure happens every time i sit in traffic next to their mazeratis, and drive home past 100km of their mansions	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	wtf was that retarded movie hm	[14:07]
ascii_field	this picture normally fades into the background, as i've lived all of my adult life here in 'land of the warehouse'	[14:08]
ascii_field	but i have occasion to think about it whenever i hear mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: how 'they' are losing to 'us' in some sense	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	in every sense.	[14:09]
ascii_field	every sense but the ones available to my eyes and ears through the window ?	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	your window experiment is perhaps the worstly conducted experiment in the history of b-a.	[14:11]
phf	invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?	[14:11]
punkman	!up amiller	[14:12]
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ascii_field	phf: try it. you get a segfault on the second free	[14:12]
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phf	i don't even	[14:12]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[14:12]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243953 << understand that naggum's point re: c++ being a language 'built and optimized by and for liars' is entirely true. what you see written on the page is not what you get! whole thing is built to lie to you.	[14:15]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 17:09:51; phf: invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?	[14:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00072186 = 41.6874 BTC [-]	[14:15]
ascii_field	and, unlike most other languages (of the time), to lie in poorly-systematizable ways	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	you mean creatively ?	[14:15]
ascii_field	for your own good (tm) (r)	[14:15]
phf	first thing that came to my mind were naggum rants	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	in the end, it was not the ai lab and lisp that provided the best approximation of a computer companion.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	it was C.	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	people have spent so much time enjoying the company of computers, for it,.	[14:16]
ascii_field	http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html << canonical	[14:16]
punkman	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hksre/blockstream_employee_asking_to_remove_gavin_from/	[14:16]
assbot	Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaUmz )	[14:16]
assbot	Blockstream employee asking to remove Gavin from Foundation. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaVXQ )	[14:16]
mircea_popescu	yeah, who is that twerp again ? seems a rehash of the entire "twobitidiot" hangout.	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	and on a broader point ; post snowden, seems the usg added a new thing to their manual.	[14:17]
mircea_popescu	"new" anyway.	[14:17]
ascii_field	what part of this is new	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	the kneejerk, field-manual shape of it.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	it's a very specific thing when a large body of idiots finally implements something for the idiots to do.	[14:19]
mircea_popescu	like the difference between a) linkspamming google and b) a bunch of "infoproducts" on "make money while you sleep" having been sold to the retard forums.	[14:20]
mircea_popescu	usg has democratized wikileaks!	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	"come to america - where coca cola has created christmas and the government has created democracy!"	[14:22]
chetty	you know its a waste of energy to hate on usg	[14:23]
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ascii_field	chetty: i will have you know that all of my works are 100% hatred-for-usg powered.	[14:24]
chetty	:P	[14:24]
ascii_field	this is not ~strictly~ necessary - a professional exterminator (paid, as in orlov) can do his thing without emotion	[14:25]
ascii_field	but never an amateur one	[14:25]
ascii_field	who has to beg, borrow, and steal spare change for every mousetrap	[14:25]
chetty	now you are talking dream job, professional exterminator ...for gubermints	[14:26]
ascii_field	gavinspray included.	[14:27]
phf	make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf.	[14:30]
ascii_field	ahahahaha	[14:30]
chetty	gotta love c++	[14:31]
ascii_field	this is why it bugs me when folks (looking at mircea_popescu !) write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably	[14:31]
phf	look, c++, i'm trying to investigate a specific issue, not travel down your rabbit hole of insanity	[14:31]
ascii_field	'c', like a mule, will plod along and do a very predictable thing. cpp is like a gigantic sack of cockroaches	[14:32]
ascii_field	mule-shaped.	[14:32]
ascii_field	sorta walks if you kick it. sometimes.	[14:33]
jurov	predictable modulo undefined behavior	[14:33]
chetty	I just love that it does different depending on the weather, or where it calls home today	[14:33]
ascii_field	jurov: don't use the undefined. (note that i specifically said 'c', rather than 'unix' here)	[14:34]
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jurov	oh cmon	[14:34]
jurov	even if you do something innocent like printf("%d", sizeof(stuff))	[14:35]
jurov	cmpiler is allowed to compile it to system("rm -rf /")	[14:35]
mats	?	[14:36]
ascii_field	i'd love to borrow jurov's compiler	[14:36]
ascii_field	it would really liven up my work	[14:36]
jurov	sizeof returns size_t which may or may not be same as int.. and printf expects int here	[14:37]
jurov	hence, undefined behavior	[14:37]
ascii_field	nothing to do with c	[14:37]
ascii_field	but with unix	[14:37]
ascii_field	(of which stdlib is quite arguably part)	[14:37]
ascii_field	that is why i said, ~the language~)	[14:37]
ascii_field	and when a situation like this does come up, a civilized compiler (there is ONLY ONE known, gcc) ~will~ give you useful info re: types	[14:38]
jurov	in that sense std::map nor the boost stuff isn't part of c++, either	[14:38]
jurov	(just to split hairs)	[14:39]
ascii_field	now try getting similarly compact description in a cpp proggy re: e.g., the map issue.	[14:39]
ascii_field	jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is.	[14:39]
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ascii_field	(sorta like c macros, but far less analyzable)	[14:39]
jurov	yes that is true	[14:40]
phf	map code in question http://paste.lisp.org/display/153933	[14:40]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UTdwkD )	[14:40]
trinque	phf: what, it's making sure it's thoroughly dead!	[14:41]
phf	but i'm not dead yeat	[14:41]
trinque	I feel happy!	[14:41]
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mircea_popescu	make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf. <<< win	[14:43]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field what is this "why" ?	[14:43]
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thestringpuller	https://blockchain.info/blocks/Slush << slush has gone to the darkside	[14:44]
jurov	trinque seeing the code i think it just copies your "a" object multiple times	[14:44]
jurov	and then obv destroys evey one	[14:44]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[14:44]
thestringpuller	http://qntra.net/2015/08/no-xtcoin-support-committed-to-the-blockchain-yet/#comment-43373 << Slush's pool is now mining XT- blocks	[14:44]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: which why	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	"write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably"	[14:45]
jurov	trinque: if feeling like messing with it further, try adding copy constructor w/logging, or pass pointers/references instead, etc.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is. << to make it plain ; just because c let you push her into a corner once or twice (provided you bring sweets) doesn't mean they're not sluts mmkay ?	[14:46]
phf	jurov: not trinque	[14:46]
mircea_popescu	I feel happy! << sounds to me like a cry for help. can we do anything for the gent today ?	[14:46]
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trinque	oh its a monty python quote	[14:48]
trinque	how bout whiskey	[14:48]
jurov	in short, playing with c++ with objects oon the stack directly is asking to lose one's fingers	[14:49]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: 'c' is more 'sex doll' than slut	[14:49]
jurov	^ ascii_field's short explanation	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[14:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18641 @ 0.00068752 = 12.8161 BTC [-] {5}	[14:50]
phf	jurov: does c++ do a magic cleanup on its fields, or you have to provide a destructor that does things like if(field) delete field; ?	[14:54]
jurov	if you did field = new blabla() the yes	[14:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31450 @ 0.00071419 = 22.4613 BTC [+]	[14:55]
jurov	if you did only field = blabla() then...idk :D	[14:56]
phf	hmm	[14:56]
punkman	"STL containers may copy objects around in the process of doing assignment"	[14:56]
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phf	punkman: yeah, i added copy constructor on jurov's recommendation	[14:59]
ascii_field	naggum had a perfectly valid point re: cpp bearing much of the proximate blame for microshit code being what it is	[14:59]
danielpbarron	>> Slush's pool is now mining XT- blocks << thestringpuller, i heard the only did it to one block for the purpose of collecting some guy's 25 coin bounty. see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242984	[15:02]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 23:58:35; assbot: Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU )	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	what danielpbarron said.	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	the entire "blockchain voting" thing is bunk of the first degree anyway, as the power rangered sponsored fiasco with the most recent fork shows.	[15:03]
trinque	not that it matters, but since I haven't been looking, I wonder if reddit has completely turned on satoshi by now, in favor of the power rangers	[15:06]
trinque	whereas they were before trying to argue that of course he'd support bigger blocks	[15:07]
trinque	really sad thing there, culturally	[15:07]
ascii_field	prolly 'signed or it didn't happen' ?	[15:07]
trinque	well, wouldn't we all like a signed message; however, the content is true in either case	[15:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9860 @ 0.0007186 = 7.0854 BTC [+] {4}	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	no, more like "it says what i want to hear or it didn't happen"	[15:08]
ascii_field	as i understand, 'satoshi' is nor a moral authority, but a shotgun authority. and that shotgun is still locked in the safe, rusting	[15:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36240 @ 0.00072174 = 26.1559 BTC [+]	[15:09]
ascii_field	*not a	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	a thing's not to be reduced to its last form.	[15:09]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-07-2015#1203800 << see also	[15:09]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 22:27:33; mircea_popescu: ~that~ is what the hoard is for.	[15:09]
trinque	just struck me that the man who made this said the words "failed project"	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	trinque in the conditional.	[15:10]
trinque	certainly!	[15:10]
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thestringpuller	danielpbarron: i see. I wonder if that guy made good on the bounty.	[15:17]
thestringpuller	!up ascii_field	[15:18]
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punkman	http://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasavchuk/2015/08/19/black-arts-the-800-million-family-selling-art-degrees-and-false-hopes/	[15:18]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J4oH4q )	[15:18]
punkman	"Academy of Art University" how is this a name?	[15:19]
trinque	punkman: it's a filter; only the dumb pass through	[15:19]
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ascii_field	punkman: classic usg expose. 'let's pick on a usgwot-marginal scamatron, deflect fire from the main ones'	[15:22]
ascii_field	other thing is, the 'art college of art' chumpatronic sector has been edging into competition with the officially-blessed prestige-sellers	[15:23]
ascii_field	and therefore have been marked for gassing.	[15:23]
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punkman	"One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111 campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30 million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College."	[15:24]
punkman	misrepresented job-placement rates, ahaha	[15:24]
ascii_field	the ancient maxim, as retold by mircea_popescu, 'when hiring a psychic, hire the cheapest'. but the expensive psychic is liable to walk over to the cheapest and shoot the poor fella	[15:24]
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trinque	in the next world, you'll have to say "lied"	[15:25]
trinque	they... "lied".	[15:25]
trinque	is that so hard?	[15:25]
ascii_field	thing about 'prestige market' is that 'art college of art' can make fraudulent claims of graduate employability just as well as, e.g., harvard	[15:25]
ascii_field	eventually the chumps notice that the cheap and expensive psychics 'tell the future' exactly equally	[15:26]
ascii_field	and the problems begin for the expensive soothsayer.	[15:26]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244081 << wake me up when they close mit, yale, stanford.	[15:27]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 18:22:25; punkman: "One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111 campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30 million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College	[15:27]
trinque	https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-says-14th-amendment-is-127077752761.html << fascinating. this may work	[15:29]
assbot	Donald Trump says 14th Amendment is unconstitutional ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4qpTm )	[15:29]
punkman	"In 2009 four former AAU admissions staffers filed a whistle-blower suit in federal district court in Oakland, claiming the school had illegally adjusted recruiters’ pay based on the number of students they enrolled. AAU, which declined to comment on the lawsuit, said in court filings that the compensation scheme was then legal under a “safe harbor” loophole because it also considered qualitative factors."	[15:30]
trinque	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSUIQgEVDM4	[15:32]
assbot	The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jrixid )	[15:32]
trinque	wow, in re-reading the lyrics, more relevant than I even intended.	[15:34]
shinohai	<3 The Doors	[15:34]
trinque	though I know it's uncontroversial at best, me too	[15:34]
lobbes	I've yet to meet someone that doesn't enjoy The Doors. great combination of musicians	[15:36]
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phf	ascii_field: i've tried reproducing the leak, but so far it looks like so according to my small test, mapTransactions.clear() should just work. http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.cpp.html there's a bunch of copy allocations that get cleaned up, but you'll notice when foo.clear() is called that picks up the leftover objects.	[15:37]
assbot	foo.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4rRoN )	[15:37]
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lobbes	I wonder where the Trump stands on 'greencard marriages'; another loophole he'd have to close to make that plan work	[15:45]
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lobbes	perhaps it's in his plan. I have yet to read it myself	[15:45]
ascii_field	phf: go, see. doesn't work.	[15:47]
phf	ascii_field: i believe you, just trying to figure out what might be going on	[15:48]
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lobbes	!up ascii_field	[15:49]
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trinque	if the 14th amendment were removed via another amendment, what of the descendents of slaves?	[15:49]
trinque	though I suppose he means something smaller, getting the courts to reinterpret it	[15:51]
lobbes	wouldn't their ancestors have been brought in the country 'legally'; i.e as property? good point though..	[15:52]
trinque	property yes, and not citizens	[15:52]
lobbes	hmm	[15:52]
lobbes	would be almost impossible to trace back lineage, I'd assume	[15:53]
lobbes	and then you add in all the owners banging their slaves on the side. it would get murky	[15:54]
trinque	you know, I find it sensible that he's focusing on Mexico as a threat rather than something like ISIS	[15:55]
trinque	as per various threads here	[15:56]
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trinque	whether it's possible to solve that problme from the position of "US president" is questionable	[15:56]
mats	ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time	[15:56]
trinque	bullshit	[15:56]
trinque	they can knock down a few buildings at best	[15:56]
mats	if the caliphate is established, they'll have materialized as a real threat	[15:57]
trinque	if, sure	[15:57]
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punkman	established how?	[15:57]
trinque	but what about pakistani nukes, what about etc etc	[15:57]
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mats	ie, control of baghdad and damascus	[15:58]
trinque	the thing is, this has never been total war between the USA and Middle East	[15:58]
trinque	it's been trying to manipulate countries into this or that state with the military	[15:59]
trinque	if something poses an "existential" threat to the USA, what do you think will happen?	[15:59]
trinque	assuming sure, said USA is aware enough to see it	[15:59]
trinque	why didn't the chechens take over even after the USSR fell?	[16:00]
trinque	seems about the same size	[16:00]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236430 << have you had a cigar? they are delightful	[16:00]
assbot	Logged on 12-08-2015 22:12:55; Adlai: why smoke	[16:00]
funkenstein_	the "president" tv show seems mostly produced for foreign consumption, kinda like friends or baywatch	[16:00]
mats	USG will attempt to parlay another group into battle against ISIS	[16:01]
trinque	were I an ISIS, I would look for a large ally that was not the USA	[16:01]
mats	e.g. the kurds, shia	[16:01]
trinque	at that point I could believe that they're an actual threat, in that not they, but the actual other superpower, is a threat	[16:01]
trinque	no, larger	[16:02]
punkman	mats, aren't they already battling?	[16:02]
mats	yes.	[16:02]
trinque	or "wake me up when" they strike a deal with Russia	[16:02]
funkenstein_	forbes piece is nice in admitting the 1st priority of a university: real estate developer	[16:02]
punkman	funkenstein_: and they even have an antique car museum	[16:03]
mats	ISIS doesn't benefit from the allegiance of any nation state, and nor do i expect any to give it	[16:03]
trinque	mats: some kind of "muslim unity" thing against the USA could very well happen	[16:03]
trinque	I really don't understand this thinking, tbh	[16:03]
mats	their influence and wealth is transnational	[16:03]
trinque	and what of ICBMs	[16:03]
trinque	and all the rest	[16:04]
trinque	the USA has done total war before, even if it's been a while	[16:04]
trinque	let us panic about our demise a bit and see what ideas are palatable	[16:04]
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funkenstein_	lol, yeah look at that 250 cars	[16:04]
mats	USG cannot afford total war, and they do not have the stomach for it, either	[16:04]
lobbes	^	[16:05]
trinque	the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first	[16:05]
mats	ISIS merely needs USG to stfu, not die, to succeed	[16:05]
trinque	I don't buy any of that	[16:05]
mats	it'll die on its own	[16:05]
trinque	we have the stomach for the whole 20th century	[16:05]
trinque	die like Russia did I suppose	[16:05]
trinque	we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there	[16:06]
trinque	and mind I'm not particularly thrilled at the thought	[16:06]
trinque	I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes, rather than at worst being handed down as an heirloom	[16:08]
mats	we'll see how committed NATO is to fighting ISIS when PMCs fail to take Mosul and a few F-16s get smoked	[16:08]
trinque	not what I was discussing, at least	[16:09]
trinque	whether or not ISIS controls Iraq is not the same question as whether they can destroy the United States	[16:10]
funkenstein_	trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear	[16:11]
trinque	am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military?	[16:11]
trinque	despite 91?	[16:11]
trinque	what's different here?	[16:11]
ascii_field	trinque: petromarket	[16:12]
ascii_field	(ru)	[16:12]
trinque	the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used	[16:12]
scoopbot_revived	Scratch http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/scratch/	[16:12]
trinque	and in an economic crash we'll stop crying about destroying the gulf to get at them	[16:13]
trinque	among other places	[16:13]
shinohai	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x2DFnGI9Ac <<< Nlame the jooz	[16:13]
assbot	Wikipedia - Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj52ix )	[16:13]
ascii_field	trinque: already old news	[16:14]
shinohai	*blame	[16:14]
ascii_field	trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction'	[16:14]
ascii_field	where useless mouths are jettisoned.	[16:14]
trinque	sure	[16:14]
ascii_field	(who? us.)	[16:14]
trinque	what I meant about the military being the last light turned out	[16:14]
mats	militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC	[16:15]
trinque	if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf?	[16:15]
mats	given enough time, US generals will sell off parts just like SU did.	[16:16]
trinque	so russia's military is gone	[16:16]
trinque	I can readily see that usg is on life-support and fading	[16:16]
trinque	usm? not at all	[16:17]
funkenstein_	trinque, it has always been my assumption that such folks a) have the gold b) move the drugs c) controls m0 presses	[16:17]
trinque	and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg	[16:17]
mats	usm, usg, and usd are liver, kidney, heart	[16:17]
mats	well, kidneys.	[16:17]
trinque	when in history did a vast military power not fragment into many pieces, and instead dissolve completely, leaving no trace?	[16:18]
ascii_field	'no trace' is a tall order	[16:18]
mats	fragmentation is enough for us hegemony to be immaterial	[16:18]
ascii_field	thing is, 'usg' is bigger than washington	[16:18]
ascii_field	it includes every bit of brussels, stockholm, london, zurich	[16:18]
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trinque	ascii_field: recall the convo about my family's farm with its gas well?	[16:19]
trinque	!up ascii_field	[16:19]
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ascii_field	aha	[16:19]
trinque	and you were right, immediately a target in that environment	[16:19]
trinque	doesn't that apply to what USM would do generally in the aftermath?	[16:19]
trinque	secure access to the things it needs to operate first, then move on from there	[16:20]
trinque	this is precisely what ISIS seems to be doing	[16:20]
trinque	and isn't USM quite a bit more capable at this game?	[16:20]
trinque	given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?	[16:20]
funkenstein_	you know just because we can put capital letters together doesn't mean they represent a coherently motivated thing	[16:21]
chetty	given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?// meme of renown	[16:21]
trinque	chetty: this is not what happened?	[16:22]
ascii_field	trinque: at a certain point, there is a phase transition. where life is no longer about u.s. army's 'access to necessary resources to operate' but instead col. schmuckson's access to his mansion and cocaine	[16:22]
trinque	I am referring more to the conflicts not necessarily declared wars	[16:22]
ascii_field	which can be easier in zurich than alabama	[16:22]
chetty	dont think it was really resources acquisition as it was expenditure, keep making war toys	[16:23]
ascii_field	!s churn inventory	[16:24]
assbot	8 results for 'churn inventory' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=churn+inventory	[16:24]
trinque	http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081	[16:24]
assbot	Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: John Perkins: 8580001045009: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj6lye )	[16:24]
trinque	my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries	[16:24]
trinque	and yes, sure, also churning stock	[16:24]
ascii_field	trinque: have to understand that, to lizards, usa is also 'another country'	[16:25]
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trinque	ascii_field: yeah, I see that point.	[16:26]
funkenstein_	on these topics i have found robert steele to be quite educational	[16:28]
funkenstein_	in fact this forum is a great example of his open source intelligence ideas	[16:29]
chetty	my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries// great propaganda to make americans hate themselves	[16:30]
trinque	I see that.	[16:30]
trinque	and also it happened	[16:30]
ascii_field	countdown to 'it wasn't rape!!11 they LIKED it!'	[16:31]
trinque	white mans burden and all that	[16:32]
trinque	sorry indonesia	[16:32]
trinque	and as far as that goes, indonesians didn't fight it off, so life goes as it does	[16:32]
trinque	the point is I don't think anyone sits back and thinks about "what happens with the other space station"	[16:32]
ascii_field	trinque: they tried, with jp	[16:32]
trinque	the one with nukes on it	[16:32]
trinque	this all vanishes because somebody decided they wanted to do fundamentalist islam again	[16:33]
trinque	I don't see that at all	[16:33]
ascii_field	trinque: how about the other other space station? the one with 25 tonnes of trotyl and ball bearings	[16:33]
trinque	ascii_field: talking about projectile weapons?	[16:33]
trinque	sure	[16:33]
ascii_field	uncle al's orbital scrubber	[16:34]
trinque	ah yeah	[16:34]
trinque	one side of me sees decay, and the other that this coup in the USA has gone perfectly well	[16:34]
trinque	it depends on whether the command structure in the militaristic side is decaying as badly as the civilian side	[16:35]
trinque	last I checked US soldiers were astoundingly obedient	[16:35]
trinque	and rather well trained	[16:35]
ascii_field	trinque: the test of obedience is when the salary checks bounce.	[16:35]
ascii_field	not before.	[16:35]
trinque	the lowest guys already make postman wages	[16:35]
trinque	hell, lower	[16:36]
chetty	the only reason other nations didnt rape us is us had bigger stick, they happily rape each other all the time. Americans are not special and not worthy of special hates	[16:36]
trinque	chetty: that I readily grant	[16:37]
trinque	and to do otherwise would itself be a sort of exceptionalism	[16:37]
ascii_field	chetty: the anglos being the authors of the global rapeatron, with themselves at the apex, earned the hate.	[16:37]
ascii_field	starting with 1812 or so	[16:37]
ascii_field	the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter	[16:38]
ascii_field	'don't do the rape if you can't do the ape.' (tm) (r) (ilkka kokkarinen)	[16:38]
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*	chetty just dislikes seeing the assorted memes of the libtards repeated without clarifications	[16:40]
ascii_field	chetty: the libertards are properly the 'repentance' arm of usg. what mr mold referred to as 'the cathedral'	[16:40]
ascii_field	the folks inviting properly qualified minority female disabled folks to come to mit and write thesis on history of oppression by evil white males	[16:41]
chetty	indeed, I don't do self hate and sore knees	[16:41]
ascii_field	chetty: but it's a mega-growth industry	[16:42]
ascii_field	why would the anglos ~not~ try to capitalize on their major asset	[16:42]
chetty	sadly	[16:42]
trinque	it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c	[16:43]
trinque	I can look upon that and sleep just fine	[16:44]
funkenstein_	mostly in north america	[16:45]
chetty	it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c// please to point to a first world country that didnt?	[16:46]
ascii_field	the liberasts tend to overemphasize the simple, kinetic rape & murder of .mil	[16:46]
ascii_field	vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid	[16:47]
trinque	chetty: that misses my point; I'm contradicting the claim that it doesn't still have a massive, throbbing cock with which to do so	[16:47]
ascii_field	chetty: everyone else who is commonly accused, has a perfectly valid self-defense against anglos defense	[16:47]
ascii_field	(ru, de)	[16:47]
chetty	sure it does, it still has $$$ (as many as they can print)	[16:48]
trinque	how much is a stockpile of nuclear weapons worth?	[16:48]
trinque	at least 1 crimea	[16:48]
trinque	maybe half a ukraine	[16:48]
trinque	or some canadian oil	[16:48]
funkenstein_	most folks will pay you to take them away	[16:48]
chetty	it just turns into this gian finger pointing thing, and in fact I dont think we have a proper clue where those fingers should be pointed.	[16:49]
trinque	why are you bothering with the concept of blame?	[16:49]
ascii_field	funkenstein_: don't confuse the freshly-usgificated su republics of 1991 with 'most folks'	[16:49]
trinque	where all I'm saying is the 20th century's weapons are still there, and if the F35 doesn't work, this matters?	[16:49]
trinque	the missile launches work just fine	[16:49]
ascii_field	they gave up the goods in exchange for some usg lube for their raw anus	[16:49]
trinque	*launchers	[16:49]
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trinque	!up ascii_field	[16:49]
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trinque	china for example builds its first aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat	[16:52]
trinque	this bias while understandable clouds the issue entirely	[16:53]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244293 << 'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position'	[16:58]
assbot	Logged on 19-08-2015 19:50:57; trinque: china for example builds its first aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat	[16:58]
trinque	right.	[16:58]
trinque	and then in the other direction, denying them some particular goal == defeated	[16:59]
ascii_field	it also means, depending on circumstances, 'can't be bombed with slow-moving pilotless planes with impunity' or even 'might fire back if bombarded navally'	[16:59]
ascii_field	for instance, see how these folks pissed themselves with rage when ru wouldn't give up its sole warm water port just because washington asked	[16:59]
trinque	ascii_field: seems to go along with what I'm saying	[17:03]
trinque	USSR "fell" yet Russia was able to keep Crimea when push came to shove	[17:04]
trinque	USA might "fall" too	[17:04]
ascii_field	it remains to be seen if modern ru is ~actually~ sovereign	[17:04]
ascii_field	or if they shy away from shooting every harvard and yale graduate on their soil when the hour comes	[17:04]
*	ascii_field is not orlov and isn't paid by ru; hell, they won't even give him a passport	[17:05]
phf	ru did quietly close a handful of ngos, usaid being the largest of them.	[17:06]
ascii_field	but were the vermin turned loose to do new things, and loudly stink? afaik, they were	[17:06]
ascii_field	instead of being boiled for soap	[17:06]
trinque	its true, there's not nearly enough pressure yet to see which structures will stand	[17:07]
trinque	and not enough time passed	[17:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5702 @ 0.00070349 = 4.0113 BTC [+]	[17:22]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:31]
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ascii_field	the am leak is mega-lulzy	[17:31]
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wilbns	Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct: https://medium.com/@wilbns/sovereign-credit-ratings-from-moody-s-fitch-and-s-p-will-soon-become-extinct-67c3e270f8a0	[17:43]
assbot	Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1hq4aPd )	[17:43]
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shinohai	https://redd.it/3hkomb <<< wow that's just BALLIN right there.	[17:52]
shinohai	yay I made 59 cents today	[17:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68300 @ 0.00072458 = 49.4888 BTC [+] {8}	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	heh	[17:59]
*	ascii_field browsing old phriends on am leak list	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:00]
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thestringpuller	!up ascii_field	[18:02]
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mircea_popescu	and therefore have been marked for gassing. <<< the other thing is, they had been doing fraud on a scale not seen since the credit unions.	[18:03]
ascii_field	aha	[18:03]
ascii_field	and the lion will show hyena his place	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, /me does not belive "for profit" education can be a thing. you can have for-profit amorous relaitons, something the us claims to be down on. you can't have for-profit education. it is a fundamentally unprofitable activity.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	the only thing you can have is forcible rituals of passing, where the kids pay in flesh.	[18:05]
ascii_field	can have for-profit 'education' easily enough	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	how ?	[18:06]
wilbns	mircea_popescu: agree w/ what you are saying and would also add it's difficult to have for-profit healthcare as well	[18:07]
ascii_field	in usa, higher education is more or less a straight racket	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	difficult, but on the overall possible, i believe wilbns	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field ah with the quotes. yes,.	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	surely. all fraud exists for profit, because why else.	[18:07]
ascii_field	can also be for 'profit'	[18:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30843 @ 0.0007374 = 22.7436 BTC [+]	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	usually turns out to be.	[18:08]
ascii_field	('spam like a pro in 21 dayz', 'make money in your sleep')	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	like the "money" the derp sending script output to trilema is making.	[18:08]
ascii_field	aha.	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	(got another one. 10 days now, that thing)	[18:08]
ascii_field	recalling barnum's canonical 'sucker is born every minute, and two to take him' - can also add 'and two hundred and twenty two to visit the spot next day and smell the farts'	[18:09]
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mircea_popescu	the major challenge with the healthcare is keeping payments fair (which really simply means meaningful).	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	but i would propose the actual case study for healthcare economics is... roman firefighting.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	made one guy very rich, at that.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	unrelatedly, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f1e335b0367c5d43b959c45ff26e85f6/tumblr_nq34b3NgnS1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg	[18:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UTAjNb )	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	(m l crassus, for the innocent)	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	and back to the blocks issue : i've had a number of tests on various platforms. it would seem that time to verify blocks does not in fact scale liniarly with the block size.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea why this is.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	in any case, comercially available home computers do not seem capable to verify full 8mb blocks six to the hour.	[18:15]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: cache	[18:16]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i, too, tested.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	same results ?	[18:16]
ascii_field	(surprised?)	[18:16]
ascii_field	same result.	[18:16]
ascii_field	and can even describe why.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	it might be the DISK cache, i guess	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	go ahead ?	[18:16]
ascii_field	mno	[18:16]
ascii_field	cpu l2 cache	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	oh for fucks sake	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	you're exactly right aren't you.	[18:16]
ascii_field	i am right because i have instrumented machines for this.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[18:17]
ascii_field	(on other occasions, because my arse)	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	well...	[18:17]
ascii_field	but in this instance, machine.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	larger blocks ain't happening.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	forget everything. there's not going to be larger l2 caches.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	probably not ever.	[18:17]
ascii_field	was there any genuine doubt in any genuine head that the mega-blox was a bullet for bitcoin ?	[18:17]
ascii_field	vs anything else	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	no, but that's a different issue.	[18:17]
ascii_field	a bullet's job is not to make mr kennedy's brain work better	[18:17]
ascii_field	but to help it explore the back of his car	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	imo it did make lincoln's brain work better than it ever had before.	[18:18]
ascii_field	and the asphalt	[18:18]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-08-2015#1242340 << see also.	[18:18]
assbot	Logged on 18-08-2015 18:45:59; ascii_field: the canonical: 'one day, a bullet hit stierlitz in the head. "a hollow-point, must be!", thought stierlitz, scatter-brained'	[18:18]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: also expect usg-endorsed 'hardware accelerators' to come.	[18:19]
ascii_field	as for aes.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	i would very much like to get better "humint" work put in.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	the effort so far is unimpressive.	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	much cheaper than making a hw accelerator, too.	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	well... in the sense that finding a girlfriend is cheaper than building a submarine in the garage, at any rate.	[18:20]
ascii_field	for them, not expensive at all	[18:20]
ascii_field	it'll be rolled into the 2017 intel shitentium or whatnot	[18:21]
ascii_field	as a couplea extra instructions	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	it's not as easy as al lthat.	[18:21]
ascii_field	no?	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	well no, they gotta work.	[18:22]
ascii_field	in fact, now i recall that this is already happening	[18:22]
ascii_field	(the nsa elliptic curve memo)	[18:22]
ascii_field	it'll be in the next instruction addendum	[18:23]
ascii_field	may already be featured in currently stocked dies.	[18:23]
ascii_field	(undocumented)	[18:23]
ascii_field	mega-bestseller! 'quantum resistant!'	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	yeah but not really good enough	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	and no, they don't get to uise the "quantum" gimmick to push ecc against rsa. like they didn't manage the past three or four gimmicks.	[18:25]
ascii_field	good enough. it'll offload the scratch storage for the elliptic grind to dedicated sram	[18:25]
ascii_field	and avoid blowing cache locality	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	the time i consider changing off rsa is a time after i've taken a piss on the ruins of the white house.	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	hm. that may actually work huh.	[18:25]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: recall, this is all in my burial notebook	[18:26]
ascii_field	because screwed around with 'what if bitcoind circuit' for a spell	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	in fact, making "intel the only way to run bitcoin node" is the biggest strategic gain usg can hope for atm.	[18:26]
ascii_field	ergo megablox	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	heh	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	"oh, they won't be really USED yet. we just want it for when intel finally comes out wiht the chip and we can push it - not before"	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	derp.	[18:27]
ascii_field	i suspect it's coming off conveyor as we speak.	[18:27]
ascii_field	in fact...	[18:27]
ascii_field	drumroll....	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	how does it feel, to have stuck so badly in so many clocks ?	[18:27]
ascii_field	http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/intelligent-systems/wireless-infrastructure/polynomial-multiplication-instructions-paper.html	[18:28]
assbot	PCLMULQDQ Instruction and Elliptic Curve Cryptography: Paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBsEd )	[18:28]
ascii_field	https://software.intel.com/en-us/node/503722 << more specifically	[18:28]
assbot	Elliptic Curve Cryptography Functions \| Intel® Developer Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBw78 )	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	"We are sorry, This PDF is available in download format only"	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	derp	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	why the fguck is it a html then!	[18:28]
ascii_field	ask obamitler.	[18:29]
ascii_field	http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/white-papers/polynomial-multiplication-instructions-paper.pdf << has ocr	[18:30]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBBrn )	[18:30]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3TZEFA7.txt	[18:30]
ascii_field	^^^	[18:30]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBBYv )	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	ty	[18:30]
thestringpuller	"Put Molly all in her champagne, she ain't even know it / I took her home and I enjoyed that, she ain't even know it." - Rick Ross	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	aha	[18:31]
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asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[18:32]
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phf	bitch, i mybe, i mybe	[18:33]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: they'll frame it as 'just like mining!' too. 'why did you expect to be able to use 2009 pc for a node!111 you wouldn't try to cpu-mine,' aha	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	heh	[18:35]
phf	ascii_field: hey, we won't even have to write an op_sigverify for qemu deployment, they'd do it for us	[18:36]
trinque	phf: that one's gucci mane innit?	[18:36]
trinque	I recall because that's what he said in response to asking whether he was guilty of w/e chargers	[18:36]
trinque	*charges	[18:36]
ascii_field	phf: qemu, l0l! then wait century for block verify	[18:36]
phf	trinque: hehe	[18:36]
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mircea_popescu	i think he's being jew-funny.	[18:40]
ascii_field	re: intel: thing is, usg economizes. why con folks into using diddled cpu, if they can be persuaded to run winblowz 10 ?	[18:43]
phf	"what does it mean? -- not funny"	[18:43]
ascii_field	but the cpu will be pushed, yes. the design itself predates bitcoin	[18:43]
ascii_field	and is part of the overall 'diddled crypto' campaign since clinton	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	phf nah, it means, "told you they're going to lose the war - already out of bullets!"	[18:44]
punkman	http://www.shutdownify.com/	[18:45]
assbot	Shutdownify is shutting down ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTCG2t )	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field well, a man can't really ask (nor should really ask) for more than to be on the wrong side of the major battles of his time.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	give me a cato any day, keep all your cesars and pompeys.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	lol punkman	[18:45]
punkman	"We knew when we started Shutdownify that its business model was risky, since many of our clients had already run out of money and were in the process of dissolving their companies."	[18:46]
punkman	YC should have acquired them :P	[18:47]
ascii_field	perhaps now mircea_popescu will buy an electron microscope.	[18:48]
ascii_field	the saving grace is that the crud is all hidden in plain sight.	[18:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.00068124 = 44.2125 BTC [-] {4}	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	not all, i'm sure.	[18:48]
ascii_field	plain sight in the sense that your dna is.	[18:49]
ascii_field	that it is not in a safe, in washington.	[18:49]
ascii_field	no need to burgle a general.	[18:49]
ascii_field	'The PCLMULQDQ instruction Intel introduced in 2009	[18:52]
ascii_field	on the 45nm Nehalem processor was renamed the CLMUL	[18:52]
ascii_field	“Perform Carry-Less Multiplication” later that year and	[18:52]
ascii_field	appeared in the 32nm “Westmere” processor in 2010. The	[18:52]
ascii_field	CLMUL is used to perform the carry-less multiplication of an	[18:52]
ascii_field	integer quad word (2 – 64 bit integers). This is complemented	[18:52]
ascii_field	by six AES centric instructions. While the intended use of	[18:52]
ascii_field	the CLMUL instruction set is to improve the performance of	[18:52]
ascii_field	applications doing block cipher encryption in Galois/Counter	[18:52]
ascii_field	Mode (dependent upon finite field multiplication), the six AES	[18:52]
ascii_field	instructions are specific to accelerate the FIPS Publication	[18:52]
ascii_field	Number 197 standard. An important implementation	[18:52]
ascii_field	of these instructions includes AES-GCM (Advanced	[18:52]
ascii_field	Encryption Standard - Galois Counter Mode) where AESNI	[18:52]
ascii_field	combinatorial logic appears to have a large effect on	[18:52]
ascii_field	encryption speed. '	[18:52]
ascii_field	ew	[18:52]
ascii_field	fucking pdf	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	yeah at least //n/ / or something	[18:53]
scoopbot_revived	Shutdown Notice Startup Shutdownify Lastest Failed Startup http://qntra.net/2015/08/shutdown-notice-startup-shutdownify-lastest-failed-startup/	[18:53]
BingoBoingo	^ Too good to pass up	[18:53]
ascii_field	(original turd at https://www.verisigninc.com/assets/whitepaper-advanced-encryption-standard.pdf )	[18:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1hqbKJz )	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	lol that was qwik	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	did you also call the m,useum of modern art ?	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	a happening's happening!	[18:54]
BingoBoingo	Will later, once story is storied	[18:54]
BingoBoingo	In the hallowed halls dedicated to hallowed hall where songs were sang of songs once sang	[18:54]
ascii_field	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLMUL_instruction_set << surprisingly readable overview	[18:55]
assbot	CLMUL instruction set - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqbTwB )	[18:55]
punkman	"Truth is, this service never quite delivered on their promise. When my last two startups closed shop, it took shutdownify over 3 days to process the first one, and the second was still a full two days to get up and running. At that point I could have just put together a page myself. It didn't help that they rewrote their tech stack from Ruby to Node even as they were trying to find customers. "	[18:55]
punkman	apparently it's a joke	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha WHAT STACK omfg	[18:57]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[19:03]
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punkman	"1) make web app claiming to check if someone's deets were in the Ashley Madison DB 2) harvest this new list of philanderers to blackmail"	[19:09]
ascii_field	punkman: already done with the credit card scam thing	[19:10]
ascii_field	'ismyccnumberstolen.com' or what was it.	[19:10]
punkman	what was it, "give me all your cc info so I can check if it's stolen?"	[19:10]
punkman	kinda a trope by now	[19:11]
ascii_field	ancient history.	[19:11]
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ascii_field	;;ticker	[19:17]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 223.28, Best ask: 223.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 223.3, 24 hour volume: 127511.97948833, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 255.08, 24 hour vwap: None	[19:17]
ascii_field	classy	[19:18]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu ^	[19:18]
ascii_field	apparently, once was not enough ?	[19:18]
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mircea_popescu	hm ?	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	!up bitcoinfailed	[19:19]
-assbot-	You voiced bitcoinfailed for 30 minutes.	[19:19]
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bitcoinfailed	hows argentina	[19:19]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: they're at it again. because apparently didn't have enough last time	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	pretty dumb.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field not crossed yet or wut ?	[19:20]
ascii_field	not crossed yet	[19:20]
ascii_field	guess they decided that a very low resistor is safer than a dead short	[19:20]
bitcoinfailed	worse than romania or par?	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	argentina is slightly dumber than romania in 1960.	[19:22]
bitcoinfailed	you fall for doug casey's recommendation of the place	[19:22]
bitcoinfailed	and can you please get yourself a proper tailor? those bag suits look aweful.	[19:22]
bitcoinfailed	$1500 get you tailored suit.	[19:23]
ascii_field	http://orderbook.info << if believed - negative spreads all over the place	[19:23]
assbot	Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqeVAX )	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	now how would you know that.	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field i think this is good for bitcoin!	[19:24]
ascii_field	it's worth a l0l	[19:24]
bitcoinfailed	bitcoin going to $50	[19:25]
ascii_field	https://archive.is/CLrrY	[19:25]
ascii_field	snapshotted the 'crossed wires' for posterity	[19:25]
ascii_field	somebody deedbot it ?	[19:25]
ascii_field	'cause historical graphs for spreads don't usually have room below the zero	[19:25]
punkman	ascii_field: that website is doing it's own thing	[19:26]
punkman	books have not crossed everywhere	[19:26]
ascii_field	punkman: almost certain	[19:26]
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ascii_field	punkman: i couldn't possibly say whether it tells the truth	[19:26]
punkman	notice two exchanges, one on each side of table	[19:27]
ascii_field	but this particular gambit is working, mass sell floods (or simulacra thereof) pretty much everywhere	[19:27]
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ascii_field	naturally, all of this is unhappening.	[19:32]
ascii_field	doubleplusunhappening.	[19:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @ 0.00068069 = 69.7367 BTC [-] {3}	[19:33]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEoWSaM61NI	[19:34]
assbot	70 Awful Displays Of Sexism On Fox News - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kwy5vF )	[19:34]
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mircea_popescu	could have made it 69...	[19:37]
trinque	deedbot-: http://deedbot.org/negative-spread.txt	[19:37]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[19:37]
assbot	Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwyfTK )	[19:37]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMyNpGgXAAA8IcF.jpg:large	[19:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Kwydvg )	[19:38]
punkman	not negative spreads!	[19:38]
punkman	more "arbitrage" derping	[19:39]
trinque	either way, title doesn't matter for zee bot	[19:39]
trinque	oh I see what that site does.	[19:40]
trinque	anyhow, was just responding to the request for deedbotting	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinfailed that's all you got btw ?	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	i feel kinda scammed, those !up s go for like a bitcoin each iirc.	[19:41]
bitcoinfailed	eh?	[19:41]
bitcoinfailed	no i dont have much to say, i will occasionally read your musings on trilema	[19:41]
bitcoinfailed	just wanted to point out its time to lose the cheap suits	[19:42]
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bitcoinfailed	you want something with high armholes so when you lift your arms the entire thing doesnt lift off your shoulders	[19:44]
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mircea_popescu	lol. this entire "cheap suits" business has its comedic value. here's something you wouldn't know : while visiting here, ben_vulpes got to meet my tailor, on the grounds that we walked by his shop downtown and teh old jewish gentleman ran out to assure his dearly beloved mr popesco that his suit will be done in time.	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand, we have yet another bleeting barn animal from anybarn, usa, derping impressively about things he's heard of, via movies.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	it makes for a decent contrast, which i guess is what all humor comes from.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	still, 6/10.	[20:04]
BingoBoingo	From pr0nogra[pher, to who uses MPEx, to Suits	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	all the many things reddit's expertise shines upon.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	they really should, once they're done fix bitcoin, go bring democracy to africa or what was it.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	the middle east ? i forget.	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	the country of africa & middle east.	[20:05]
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scoopbot_revived	El Gran' Teatro Argentino http://trilema.com/2015/el-gran-teatro-argentino/	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	wake me up when they close mit << what, you mean THE PREMIERE something something INSTITUTION in THE WORLD!!! ?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	what nonsense is this! what'd the world do!	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	trinque how do you know he means the part about immigrants and not the part about "the debt of the us shall not be questioned" ?	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time << he has a point. isis would be the first state actually outside of us policy since soviet russia.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	seems about the same size << the chechens are about the same size. the us is in no sense the same size as the su when it fell. this theory can be readily verified putting the country through the equivalent of the 90s, which is coming regardless.	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first << looked at the budget past decade ?	[20:35]
mircea_popescu	the last light shut off is in the office of the guy giving free housing to "needy" voters.	[20:35]
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mircea_popescu	we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there << nobody has any incentive whatsoever to be "american". it's not even vaguely an identity. you might wish to be texan, maybe, liek some soviets wished to be russian. but otherwiose, being an iowan or a californian or a wisconsinian or generally an american is the epitome of fair weather friends : for as long as it pays to do so and no longer.	[20:37]
mats	yeah seriously. the army, for instance, is being whittled down to nothing, which has been in the works since rumsfeld/bush	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes << the "entrie us military" long ago vanished. it now consists of boys playing video games and girls playing the tomboy. that is not an army, it's a psycho patient support group.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	in no way different than any other mental healthcare hospital, except it's larger and per-patient cheaper	[20:38]
mats	idea goes: we fight moar proxy wars and don't need so much line infantry, so we'll employ doorkickers and hire out to palantir and academi for the rest	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	right. worked so fucking splendidly over that last siege	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	remember ? we lolled at it in these very logs.	[20:38]
mats	am curious to see mosul.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	sorta like one's curious to see the 2006 F1.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	"oh, schumy lost." ?! "haha-had you!"	[20:39]
asciilifeform	usg doesn't really need an army. just an internal gendarmerie	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear << exactly how it went in russia heh.	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform internal, as in, in your own head ?	[20:42]
asciilifeform	not the least.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	neone's welcome to furnish his own skull as he sees fit.	[20:43]
asciilifeform	but also generally.	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military? << you are wrong in imagining there's any sort of continuity. present day russian military shares nothing at all with the one that ended, and is almost entirely putin's making.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	much like the third reich military had no debts owed to weimar and generally was hitler's creation.	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	the future where russian military was like present day german military seemed the likelier eventuality in 1990.	[20:44]
asciilifeform	nothing but ~80% of the materiel ? l0l	[20:44]
mats	does usg have suitcase nukes?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform that old junk ?	[20:45]
asciilifeform	mats: they were Officially (tm) (r) abolished in '90s	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	what's next, "they use the same topsoil!!!"	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used << so does nigeria. wtf argument is this.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	"the woman has her own tits!!1" mmmyeah ?	[20:45]
BingoBoingo	Double standards http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3203538/Horrifying-Facebook-page-edits-images-plus-size-models-overweight-strangers-look-thinner-creators-claiming-help-misguided-women-potential.html vs http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2956952/Kim-Kardashian-Katy-Perry-plus-size-makeover-Stars-pile-pounds-photos-manipulated-Spanish-artist-says-look-better-bigger-women.html	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction' << i suspect this is what 2015 stalin would have called dekulakization.	[20:46]
assbot	Project Harpoon Facebook page edits images of plus-size models to look thinner \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqfpVK )	[20:46]
assbot	Kim Kardashian and Katy Perry get a plus size makeover by Spanish artist \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqfrwR )	[20:46]
BingoBoingo	Where is the editorial consistency?	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	of the... daily mail ?!	[20:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55045 @ 0.00067887 = 37.3684 BTC [-]	[20:47]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: demand destruction is, approximately, the dekulakization one does for folks who have nothing	[20:48]
asciilifeform	nothing, that is, but open mouths. so you - close them.	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC << it doesn't want or need to march in dc. all it conceivably might want is to pull a rotherham over at vassar.	[20:48]
asciilifeform	(typically - permanently.)	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	all those preppy white chicks probably make excellent harem slaves.	[20:48]
*	asciilifeform thought that mexico had this 'market' cornered in usa ?	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf? << you need to stop being racis.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	what do you think a military is, some sort of a country club ? it exists to obey orders. the orders atm are on the line of "scoring officers' sensitivity to inane nontopics"	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform mexicans are kinda lazy methinks. the arabs are more serious when they do it.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg << IF you can find a certain corporal in the army that will get badly defeated and who resents the coupla decades of peace which consist mostly of american teenagers being used as public toilets from rashapur to ankara, then yes, maybe, dictatorship.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	that's a big if, tho.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	american collective immune system has been massaged on more or less nothing but 'arab' for past decade.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	yes, but they have paradoxical reaction.	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	most teenaged girls' immune system had been massaged on more or less nothing but "boys" for millenia	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif	[20:51]
asciilifeform	dedicated firmware in play there, no ?	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	where girl goes and kneels before anotehr woman's rapist to get some herself.	[20:52]
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mircea_popescu	the firmware in question is both dedicated and ubiquitous.	[20:52]
BingoBoingo	I have as many connections form "subver" : "/Atdollar:0.10.2/" as XT nao	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[20:52]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: question is, naturally, not 'whether rapist', but 'which'	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	notrly. where the hell is that gif	[20:52]
asciilifeform	.. biggest walrus? clearly not, that one lacked tusks, even.	[20:53]
asciilifeform	biggest penguin? no, walrus	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gif	[20:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NoMRtJ )	[20:53]
BingoBoingo	On that note it is time for another peerdump http://dpaste.com/3C80S67	[20:53]
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assbot	dpaste: 3C80S67 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MyFAqp )	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	so, walrus is fucking a penguin. and one of those seagulls goes in front of it and exhibits itself for sexual use.	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	it had plenty of other choices, such as for instance, sitting around.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	but...	[20:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: iirc, the behaviour is even more automatic and pronounced in certain fish	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	it's the most pronounced in humans.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	orwell feigned-disgustedly called it "power worship"	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	but the notion the usian will put up any sort of resistence, to any sort of invader, ofany kind come from anywhere...	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	yeah, he would. like the woman puts up resistence. with her uterus.	[20:55]
asciilifeform	didn't we earlier 'there is no american' ?	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	whole fuckthing wouldnt' work too well if you just fell in.	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "usian" is a population. like the argentine cattle. not a nation.	[20:56]
asciilifeform	aha	[20:56]
asciilifeform	but let's say, texan ? also no resistance? caves in like france in ww2 ?	[20:56]
asciilifeform	uteri at the ready ?	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?	[20:57]
asciilifeform	incidentally, re: the latter, this is not spoken of much in soviet or even modern times, but when germans invaded, the barber shops near the front were packet. with gurlz.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[20:57]
asciilifeform	*packed	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	i'm sure they were all spies sent by stalin himself to lure the enemy into a false sense of confidence.	[20:58]
asciilifeform	quite	[20:58]
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mircea_popescu	(i'm doing alf in b-a of 1939 :D)	[20:58]
asciilifeform	aha l0l	[20:58]
asciilifeform	it is interesting to read the jp rationale for not attempting invasion or even saboteur ops on the u.s. continent in ww2	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	chetty: this is not what happened? << no, it is not what happened.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	merely because the ww2 cost the us less than it cost europe does not mean it wasn't costly.	[20:59]
asciilifeform	summed up to something like 'there's three barrels per man there, and they will all point at us'	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	and generally, no involvement of us in anywhere to date has been economically productive.	[20:59]
mircea_popescu	iraq is still to this day a net loss.	[20:59]
asciilifeform	for country - loss	[20:59]
asciilifeform	for haliburton, lockheed ?	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	for the us.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	life itself.	[21:00]
asciilifeform	lizards != usa at large	[21:00]
asciilifeform	when their current host dies, they will decamp to wherever it is they have a welcome party	[21:00]
asciilifeform	(zurich? antarctica? who the fuck cares)	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	you can't build yourself a rich house as a fiftene year old stealing from your father and fencing the stuff.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	they will decamp to the concentration camp.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	just like - jews, in yurp	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	another thing nobody really wants to talk aboot.	[21:01]
asciilifeform	how many rothchilds in the camps ?	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	plenty.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	for a while there you couldf even fuck one, for the asking.	[21:01]
*	asciilifeform hearing of this for the first time	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	they'd hold her down for you, too.	[21:01]
asciilifeform	suggest a source ?	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	;;google elisabeth de rothschild	[21:02]
asciilifeform	any language	[21:02]
gribble	Élisabeth de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Philippine de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Baroness Philippine de Rothschild - obituary - Telegraph:	[21:02]
BingoBoingo	I seriously going to have to work on the no SPV allowed problem. Why should "/bitcoinj:0.12.3/Bitcoin Wallet:4.35-blackberry/" even think it ough to be service by my node	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	;;google blanka rothschild	[21:02]
gribble	Life After the Holocaust: Blanka Rothschild: ; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: ; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:	[21:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: neato	[21:02]
asciilifeform	but still reminiscent of vasiliy stalin	[21:02]
asciilifeform	(wonder if he got to fuck any rothchilds before 'shot while escape')	[21:03]
asciilifeform	'Élisabeth de Rothschild (née de Chambure; a.k.a. Lili; March 9, 1902 - March 23, 1945) was a member by marriage of the wine-making branch of the Rothschild family.'	[21:04]
asciilifeform	any ~proper~ rothchilds ?	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	sigh.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	the "proper" rothschilds lived in the 17th and 18th century.	[21:04]
mircea_popescu	"any proper kennedys ?!?!?!!"	[21:05]
asciilifeform	i don't ask for the impossible! merely the 'romanov gold standard' of cleansing	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	heh	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	unlike in the case of the romanovs, by the 1940s time had already cleansed this bunch.	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	(but i can bring same argument - hey, any PROPER romanovs the reds shot ?)	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	not like you're gonna try and argue THAT bunch of degenerates were the true namesakes.	[21:07]
asciilifeform	^ point	[21:07]
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asciilifeform	sometimes, one even gets the 'old and new romanovs' in same physical package.	[21:08]
asciilifeform	e.g., hitler 34 vs 45	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	guess so.	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	hitler was a derp throughout tho.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	a thir dting nobody wants to say	[21:09]
asciilifeform	derp with full battery vs empty	[21:09]
asciilifeform	makes difference	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	lucky derp, at first, yes. but luck runs out.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah, it does. until it runs out.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	then you get "the german people have failed and let's blow everything up"	[21:09]
asciilifeform	how else.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	because we're fucking 14.	[21:09]
asciilifeform	everybody's 14 when their battery runs down.	[21:09]
mircea_popescu	in the casino for the first time, and can only win, because mom had us with saint Winny.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	no dude. not everyone's 14 when their battery runs down.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	the even reason you bother selecting people in the first place, is that.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	example ?	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	;;google fefeleaga	[21:11]
gribble	Fefeleaga. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Popasul Fefeleaga - YouTube: ; Asta-i Romania - Iti aduci aminte de Fefeleaga? Reporterii nostri au ...:	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[21:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @ 0.00070503 = 4.4339 BTC [+]	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i am testing out my new just in time examples webservice, built on node.js and ruby on rails!	[21:12]
asciilifeform	l0lz	[21:12]
asciilifeform	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hn8r4/nick_szabo_on_twitter_what_happens_when_the << moar from the filipinotron	[21:13]
assbot	Nick Szabo on Twitter: "What happens when the managers and investors ignore the engineers and scientists .. . " : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqi95w )	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	wait wut ?	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck is it the managers get the short stick again!	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	what am i, an engineer now ? a scientist ? wtf is this pious fraud bs.	[21:14]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: in usa 'manager' is more or less synonymous with 'pointy boss'	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless!!!!	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	in africa doctor is more or less synonymous with shaman, what the fuck light does that throw on any discussion	[21:14]
asciilifeform	sorta like the word 'programmer' to mircea_popescu is synonymous with mark karpeles	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	the word programmer, to me, is chiefly synonymous with rms.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	the fella who hasn't programmed since what, '95 ?	[21:15]
mircea_popescu	neither has anyone else.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	and hasn't overseen others program since perhaps '05	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	well we're not talking 2015 rms specifically k ?	[21:16]
asciilifeform	then sure.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	otherwise what, "bravery to me is X" "oh, you mean pissing ? because X pissed at a certain point in time!"	[21:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2687 @ 0.00068488 = 1.8403 BTC [-] {2}	[21:20]
asciilifeform	'Meanwhile in a cattle herd inhabiting an endless plain, the strictures of speech as a regulator of human activity do not exist per se. Argentines do not speak like you and me, Argentines bleat and bark like your sheep and dogs. They appreciate the loudness, the sudden quality, the melodicity, the formal "propriety" of speech much like a parrot judges another parrot's noises. They do not however comprehend, nor do they have an	[21:20]
asciilifeform	y expectation that words string together into anything other than a noisy flow, and in no case does any notion occur to bother them that perhaps words carry the future in any sense.' << where is this ~not~ the case ?	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	rinque> my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries << kick that dem-socialist coolaid srsly.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform among people.	[21:21]
asciilifeform	where do i buy a ticket to, to see some ~people~ ?	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	yeah. me too.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/01/21/legendary-10-warthog-sends-isis-fleeing-even-as-it-faces-pentagon-cuts/ in other news.	[21:23]
assbot	Legendary A-10 'Warthog' sends ISIS fleeing even as it faces Pentagon cuts \| Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1fqjklm )	[21:23]
asciilifeform	'puff the magic dragon'	[21:24]
BingoBoingo	No, that's the AC-130	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, has ever existed a worse failure than the GSh-6-30	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	fucking comedic that thing, should have a surrealist film made about it	[21:27]
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asciilifeform	'The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instr	[21:30]
asciilifeform	ument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200 meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.' << l0l	[21:30]
*	asciilifeform isn't necessarily buying this wholesale	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	the only people that ever made the airplane tank work were the 60s usians.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	il-2 worked	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	barely.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	well enough.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	that their deranged successors don't even recognise the marks of this...	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	tell you what asciilifeform, bitcoin works well enough.	[21:31]
asciilifeform	doesntit?	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	by about an inch.	[21:32]
asciilifeform	like il-2.	[21:32]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/562ac2236fcaadfa4772643e97bdfe09/tumblr_nq30unWHdb1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg	[21:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1fqkMEx )	[21:36]
BingoBoingo	A-10 is basically flying pogo	[21:36]
trinque	mircea_popescu \| texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough << this is a fair point, and drives home all the rest.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: do they make chicks with faces any more ?	[21:36]
asciilifeform	or are those a specialty item	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	whadda ya mean ?	[21:37]
trinque	my perspective came from thinking of the country as a singular thing.	[21:37]
trinque	when my own identity is very much involved with the idea that it isn't	[21:37]
trinque	see: Texan	[21:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-08-2015#1230318 << meant this	[21:37]
assbot	Logged on 08-08-2015 04:50:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that one practically ~screams~ 'my brain is permanently 12 y.o.'	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	trinque you know, the austro-hungarians had much better call to think of their alcatuire as "a singular thing"	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	it vanished like foam.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this latest girl looks dumb to you ?!	[21:38]
*	trinque departs, thanks for the responses.	[21:38]
asciilifeform	not dumb per se - but americanized	[21:38]
asciilifeform	it's a kind of kabuki	[21:38]
asciilifeform	where traces of intelligence, of expression - ground off, like the unnecessary glass in a lens	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	the girls iirc czech, and hm... don't ever visit bohemia then. it's where the small round cro mignon faceship landed	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	well, that and the arctic, at any rate.	[21:39]
asciilifeform	it is also where, i'm told, american pisswater beer was invented.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.	[21:40]
asciilifeform	hey, if eskimos or pygmies had invented it, it would be sop in usa just the same	[21:41]
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BingoBoingo	IN other news Corn fields looking markedly worse this week	[21:44]
BingoBoingo	Just lots of stunted, short and prematurely yellow swaths of the stuff.	[21:46]
BingoBoingo	Last week on KMOX Illinois DepAg was talking about a fall of 15% over last year's crop, but shit looks to have started dying really fast	[21:50]
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BingoBoingo	!up pete_dushenski	[22:03]
*	assbot gives voice to pete_dushenski	[22:03]
pete_dushenski	heya bb	[22:04]
*	mircea_popescu has found expressions. here you go alfie : http://40.media.tumblr.com/3f0ee5f8d2599756d334bfb82b808e1c/tumblr_nq2z7gOWuC1s9e2ofo1_1280.jpg	[22:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NmaiER )	[22:05]
pete_dushenski	danielpbarron: http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/scratch/#comment-27007	[22:06]
assbot	Scratch \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmansj )	[22:06]
*	assbot gives voice to pete_dushenski	[22:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43750 @ 0.00069183 = 30.2676 BTC [-]	[22:08]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244794 << fish sticks	[22:08]
assbot	Logged on 20-08-2015 00:37:58; mircea_popescu: lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter << orly ? http://trilema.com/2013/no-womans-land/#selection-449.68-449.225	[22:08]
assbot	No Woman's Land on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmayDT )	[22:08]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[22:10]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 229.03, vol: 22207.10059825 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 224.665, vol: 12951.48373 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 228.28, vol: 49340.32891638 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 222.23, vol: 12.31153437 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.539252, vol: 28568.41500000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 230.68, vol: 234.52257077 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 240.624, vol: 188.77977785 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[22:10]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[22:10]
gribble	228.859421478	[22:10]
pete_dushenski	volume calmed down. slightly.	[22:11]
pete_dushenski	still a joke but w/e	[22:11]
pete_dushenski	even jokes calm down eventually	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field> vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid << in fairness : this was bismarck's idea, to finance the pre-ww1 eurozone. it HAD to be constantly rolled up in higher and higher schemes, because at all points throughout the past two centuries, bismarck's folly (pay now and the more people coming next will pay you) seemed too big to fail.	[22:12]
asciilifeform	as always, l0l	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	and it'll keep getting rolled if at all possible,	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	because renouncing it still to this day seems too much to ask.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	trinque> china for example builds its first aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat <<< you don't understand how this works. the aircraft carrier is irrelevant. china bet on the winning strat (missile defense) and bet a lot more than the us can afford, and as a result now has unchallangeable area denial ability throughout the shores. this means it can pursue its own, private local	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	policy. which includes japan, indonesia, even australia.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	this is a political disaster for the us, nothing like the superficial humiliations it has received politically from the likes of putin and practically from the likes of isis	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	because in reaction to this, those countries have, and do, and will reallign.	[22:16]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell trinque Missouri is probably a better Texas than Texas	[22:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	now, a graphite baton can survive some cleavage. but a glass baton will shatter.	[22:16]
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mircea_popescu	and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on.	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	so no, it's not bias. just facts you don't know in contexts you don't grasp.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, i'm about as biased in favour of an empire of china as i'm biased in favour of an empire of grasshoppers.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position' << amusingly, this bled from the DoD into the "law enforcement" paramilitary wing.	[22:19]
pete_dushenski	;;remove 22434	[22:21]
gribble	Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.	[22:21]
pete_dushenski	;;remove 22434	[22:22]
gribble	Order 22434 removed.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	wilbns> Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct << unavoidably. they have been largely ignored ever since the ridiculous failures they displayed a decade or so ago.	[22:22]
asciilifeform	stay awake folks, about to post something kewl	[22:22]
pete_dushenski	now that i slept through a fringe show this afternoon, i'm awake.	[22:23]
pete_dushenski	speaking of said show, the review is another missed shot by scoopbot_revived. that williamdunne...	[22:23]
pete_dushenski	http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/19/loon/	[22:24]
assbot	Loon \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmbTuq )	[22:24]
asciilifeform	mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:	[22:25]
asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!	[22:26]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html	[22:26]
assbot	[BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )	[22:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00069075 = 12.5026 BTC [-]	[22:27]
BingoBoingo	Xoas	[22:27]
asciilifeform	?	[22:28]
asciilifeform	if anyone does not understand why i did this, or, alternatively, believes that this ought to have been done in some other way - please speak.	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	Chaos in the greek root, the 'V'oid	[22:29]
asciilifeform	otherwise, friends, go and verify, and sign the output!	[22:30]
asciilifeform	and post the sig	[22:30]
asciilifeform	if everyone's output is the same, the sigs will be valid!	[22:30]
asciilifeform	when tested against what is produced in this recipe, now or 100 years from now.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	(offtopic: perhaps the single most asinine aspect of gpg signature as-we-have-it is the lack of a clearly delineated space to write ~why~ you are signing something.)	[22:31]
asciilifeform	most folks cram it into the payload, yes.	[22:31]
asciilifeform	but there is not always a place.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	tye why and the what are not separable.	[22:32]
mircea_popescu	but yes, this is the right thing.	[22:34]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: << thanks ascii, will take a look.	[22:35]
asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!	[22:40]
asciilifeform	mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:	[22:40]
asciilifeform	http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000149.html	[22:40]
assbot	[BTC-dev] V Breath-of-Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1gXXQNL )	[22:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00069075 = 6.3549 BTC [-]	[22:40]
mod6	asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken?	[22:40]
asciilifeform	mod6: yes.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	apologies.	[22:41]
mod6	np. just checkin.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	re: breath of life: again, the beauty of cruel equations: if your vdiffs are correctly generated, my signatures will verify.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	OTHERWISE NOT.	[22:41]
pete_dushenski	sneaky	[22:42]
asciilifeform	if you read the 'orchestra' post and followed instructions, you have a set that will verify against 'breath of life.'	[22:42]
asciilifeform	that you should have generated yourself.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	with 'breath of life', it is now possible to use 'v'. even though i have not given it to anyone yet...	[22:43]
asciilifeform	can write it yourself. not so hard.	[22:43]
*	BingoBoingo just impressed there exists a versioning system nao	[22:44]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo might be anti-impressed when he realizes what it consists of	[22:44]
asciilifeform	... largely, 'grep'.	[22:44]
asciilifeform	and some recursion.	[22:44]
BingoBoingo	Mebbe we have different definitions of impressed.	[22:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21441 @ 0.00069073 = 14.8099 BTC [-] {2}	[22:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10249 @ 0.00068488 = 7.0193 BTC [-]	[22:53]
asciilifeform	incidentally, if you make a mistake in your 'genesis', other vpatches also will fail.	[22:55]
*	BingoBoingo humble enough to assume if something doesn't work that I introduced the problem	[22:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32747 @ 0.00068488 = 22.4278 BTC [-]	[22:56]
pete_dushenski	"To M. Popescu: I apologize. I was arrogant and wrong and insulting."	[23:00]
pete_dushenski	http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43598	[23:00]
assbot	The Hard Fork Missile Crisis \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw2iQE )	[23:00]
pete_dushenski	almost 6 months to the day later. was there a yeshiva in there ?	[23:02]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: ty, I hadn't checked to approve new commenters, so must still have cookie from original comment	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	commented from same ip	[23:04]
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mircea_popescu	o.O	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	this can happen ? which internet is this ?	[23:05]
BingoBoingo	An internet between the ROckie Mountains and Pacific ocean	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	as the romanian expression goes, "sa increstam in grinda".	[23:06]
pete_dushenski	internet 0.5.4	[23:06]
pete_dushenski	"Raja Bhatia, Ashley Madison's founding CTO who today consults for the website's team, is not convinced this leak is real. He told investigative journo Brian Krebs this evening that the site does not store credit card numbers. "If there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us, because we don’t even have that," Bhatia added." << vs. internet 3.0	[23:07]
pete_dushenski	"we don't even do that !"	[23:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17253 @ 0.00068093 = 11.7481 BTC [-]	[23:08]
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pete_dushenski	"if someone claims that we provide security and confidentiality, you ~know~ they've got the wrong guys !"	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	concerned ceo told the clueless press "i don't even" in an emotionally charged meeting over tea tonight	[23:08]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, notice the word wizardry. "if there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us". whereas the dump clearly and pointedly states "some credit card data".	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	clinton can rest easy, his school of public communication still depends on what is is.	[23:11]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: unless you're already writing up today's am break, i think i'll take a crack at it for qntra	[23:15]
BingoBoingo	pete_dushenski: Give it a go	[23:15]
pete_dushenski	aite	[23:15]
BingoBoingo	Moar qntra always welcome	[23:19]
hanbot	asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken? << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).	[23:22]
mod6	it's in the chicken.tar.gz	[23:25]
mod6	asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo. vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt	[23:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw5OdX )	[23:26]
mod6	Has any one else noticed this error?	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	"There's absolutely no difference between Keiser's scamcoin and Gavin's scam coin as far as the network is concerned : while one's a scammer that I humiliatingly defeated in the past whereas the other a scammer that I humiliatingly defeat in the future, this makes no difference for Bitcoin."	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	shiiit i love reading my old stuff.	[23:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9376 @ 0.0006785 = 6.3616 BTC [-] {2}	[23:33]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-43610	[23:35]
assbot	The Hard Fork Missile Crisis \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw6iAT )	[23:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65550 @ 0.00067776 = 44.4272 BTC [-] {3}	[23:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8408 @ 0.00069384 = 5.8338 BTC [+] {2}	[23:40]
mod6	alright, so I created this script: http://dpaste.com/04DJKKA.txt to produce a vpatch as discussed in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html : Here is the diff of the vdiff my script produced v. the one included with asciilifeform's email: http://dpaste.com/1ACSMBC.txt	[23:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7c0j )	[23:43]
assbot	[BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )	[23:43]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7cgF )	[23:43]
mod6	The hashes look like the match -- mainly. asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?	[23:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.000696 = 43.3608 BTC [+] {4}	[23:49]
mod6	hanbot: so yeah, chicken.tar.gz isn't linked in the 'V Genesis' email. But it can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/chicken.tar.gz	[23:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw7ZON )	[23:50]
mod6	(contains the mainifest you are looking for)	[23:50]
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hanbot	thx mod6, grabbed it	[23:51]
mod6	good deal.	[23:51]
*	assbot gives voice to mike_c	[23:51]
pete_dushenski	BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/0XSGB0B.txt	[23:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw86d8 )	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	http://www.capital.ro/exclusiv-topul-oraselor-cu-cele-mai-accesibile-locuinte-din-romania.html << romanian real estate if anyone's curious	[23:54]
assbot	EXCLUSIV Topul orașelor cu cele mai accesibile locuinţe din România ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw8yrK )	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	20-30k euro / 50mp aka 4-600 usd/sqft.	[23:56]

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