Forum logs for 17 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	;;google wikipedia "Suite A"	[00:02]
gribble	NSA Suite A Cryptography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Suite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Suite (music) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[00:02]
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bounce	oh, our physics peddler is taking it to -otc	[00:08]
kakobrekla	from blockr guys under coinbase; http://blog.coinbase.com/post/97671295752/introducing-toshi-an-open-source-bitcoin-node-for	[00:09]
assbot	The Coinbase Blog Introducing Toshi - An Open Source Bitcoin Node For Developers	[00:09]
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BingoBoingo	Interesting kakobrekla	[00:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 232 @ 0.18361788 = 42.5993 BTC [-] {8}	[00:18]
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kakobrekla	good part: works w/o bitcoind	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	Yeah. Also it seems to not have its own wallt implementation, or at least the press release doesn't mention one which is a plus.	[00:24]
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kakobrekla	no wallet.	[00:30]
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BingoBoingo	Always nice to have more node options that don't care where the transactions they push come from	[00:40]
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thestringpuller	"nodes without wallets"	[00:46]
thestringpuller	like "reporters without borders"	[00:47]
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kdomanski	;;ud sneaky rafiki	[00:47]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sneaky%20Rafiki \| Jan 6, 2008 ... Guy 1: Dude I gave Jess a sneaky rafiki last night! Guy 2: ...... That's fucked up man.. gives huge high five. by dirty old man dan March 18, ...	[00:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 275 @ 0.00196998 = 0.5417 BTC [-]	[01:59]
jurov	... make your own fucktoy << you know,this reviled IBM PC was practically opensource and fully extensible hardware	[02:01]
jurov	even the most complicated part of it , the [234]86 was independently replicated	[02:02]
jurov	you see for youself what happened to it anyway.	[02:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00074945 = 11.8413 BTC [-]	[02:06]
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jurov	'the mute people'<< same here, additionally "šváb" (Swabian) and "rus" (Russian) are both widely names for cockroach species	[02:19]
jurov	*widely used	[02:19]
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jurov	Swabians vaguely means Germans	[02:19]
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jurov	lol actually there is more	[02:19]
kakobrekla	švab is german here also.	[02:19]
jurov	Šváb obyčajný = Blatta orientalis	[02:19]
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jurov	Rus domový= Blatella germanica (wtf)	[02:19]
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jurov	and of course Šváb americký = Periplaneta americana	[02:20]
jurov	so, both east (near and far) and west got equal recognition.	[02:23]
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TheNewDeal	curious to see if anyone knows how http://bitcoincharts.com/ calculates network hashrate. Looked around a little and couldnt find the answer	[02:58]
assbot	Bitcoin Charts	[02:58]
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mike_c	kakobrekla: is toshi what was/is powering blockr?	[03:02]
kakobrekla	mike_c nope	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	soo, i went to check out this bitcoin embassy thing	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	anyone want to see pictures ?	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	Sure, isn't this what Trilema's for?	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov> you see for youself what happened to it anyway. << it took over and set the course of computer history ?	[03:05]
jurov	yes. and everyone hates it	[03:06]
BingoBoingo	https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Fan_death	[03:06]
assbot	Fan death - Encyclopedia Dramatica	[03:06]
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mircea_popescu	lol the american svab. not bad.	[03:07]
asciilifeform	jurov: we had 'prussian' roaches.	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	jurov not being hated is a slave's aspiration.	[03:09]
jurov	yes, but still it clouds judgment of people like asciilifeform	[03:11]
jurov	if i understand him cirrectly, ibm pc destroyed better architectures	[03:11]
asciilifeform	jurov: nope.	[03:12]
asciilifeform	the maggots are rarely the murder weapon.	[03:13]
jurov	maggots.	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	Often the maggots seem like their are try to help. "Oh here's some necrotic tissue to debride!"	[03:16]
jurov	mircea see? which manager is going to do such thing, only to get it labeled maggots by his peers?	[03:17]
asciilifeform	jurov: x86 is not scar tissue because it is popular, but because it genuinely sucks, and sucked from day 1 compared to virtually all known alternatives.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	a peerless one ?	[03:18]
jurov	only peerless one	[03:18]
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mircea_popescu	!up Uohz_	[03:20]
-assbot-	You voiced Uohz_ for 30 minutes.	[03:20]
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jurov	i now have better understanding why jobs had to humiliate engineers to get what he wanted	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	do tell?	[03:21]
jurov	As early as 1987, the New York Times wrote: "by the early 80's, Mr. Jobs was widely hated at Apple. Senior management had to endure his temper tantrums. He created resentment among employees by turning some into stars and insulting others, often reducing them to tears. Mr. Jobs himself would frequently cry after fights with fellow executives".	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	oh, so sculley wasn't telling it like it was huh.	[03:22]
mike_c	elmo had four ducks	[03:23]
asciilifeform	Mr. Jobs himself would frequently cry << gotta be a hatchet job	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell X-Rob How are the stats on chalbersma's pool looking? http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/	[03:23]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:23]
assbot	P2Pool	[03:23]
asciilifeform	http://a.pomf.se/wvukav.webm << mega-lol	[03:25]
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X-Rob	BingoBoingo: I can try aiming there again if you want	[03:26]
X-Rob	let's have a look	[03:26]
BingoBoingo	X-Rob: Might as well.	[03:26]
X-Rob	share difficulty of 188 is still going to be bad	[03:26]
X-Rob	but, let's see what happens	[03:26]
BingoBoingo	Your hash should drive it up.	[03:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.18481285 = 2.5874 BTC [-] {6}	[03:27]
BingoBoingo	I've also only got a bit more than 22 hours of rented hash left	[03:28]
BingoBoingo	Hopefully this thing plays well with different workers mining to the same address.	[03:28]
X-Rob	OK, that's better. It's now accepting shares at 1024 when I ask it to	[03:29]
X-Rob	it's still resetting every couple of seconds, but, that's just how p2pool works	[03:29]
X-Rob	it appears to be better	[03:29]
X-Rob	albiet still sub-optimal	[03:29]
X-Rob	but that'	[03:29]
X-Rob	s a p2pool limitation now	[03:29]
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BingoBoingo	X-Rob: But still, more transparent than alternatives. When chalbersma get on feel free to suggest some optimizations if you can think of any.	[03:30]
X-Rob	there aren't any	[03:31]
BingoBoingo	Cool	[03:31]
X-Rob	this is now as good as it's going to get 8)	[03:31]
X-Rob	Well	[03:31]
X-Rob	... maybe it could be better	[03:31]
X-Rob	Hmm	[03:31]
X-Rob	What I'm seeing on the dashboard is not what I"m seeing when submitting shares.	[03:31]
BingoBoingo	I have to say this is probably the most consistent rented hash I've ever had it seems. The 600GH/s pointed at it nao	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	X-Rob so why does it suck ?	[03:32]
X-Rob	mircea_popescu: I don't think I used the word suck.	[03:32]
X-Rob	And If I did, I shouldn't have.	[03:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.183 = 7.869 BTC [-]	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	kay, so why's it suboptimal ?	[03:33]
X-Rob	Assume 'asic reset time' = ... 500msec. That happens whenver the pool says 'discard all your work, I have a new block with a new coinbase'	[03:34]
X-Rob	on a non-p2pool pool, that happens once every block	[03:34]
mike_c	so catchy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LEYwoooVfw	[03:34]
assbot	Sesame Street: Elmo's Ducks - YouTube	[03:34]
X-Rob	so every 10 minutes, 500msec of hashing is thrown away	[03:34]
X-Rob	that's not that bad.	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	and on a p2pool ?	[03:35]
X-Rob	but p2pool has sharechains. The sharechains is, according to p2pool, a new block	[03:35]
X-Rob	so every n seconds a share is found (Which, currently, is about 8k or so, looking at when I'm getting resets sent through)	[03:35]
X-Rob	I'm submitting a valid share every.. 10 seconds or so	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	so every 8k seconds ?	[03:36]
asciilifeform	mike_c: related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCTL69saJVQ	[03:36]
assbot	10 Orks (subtitle eng) - YouTube	[03:36]
X-Rob	I'm finding a block with a difficulty of 8k every 10 seconds.	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	ah	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	so 60x as much wastage ?	[03:36]
mircea_popescu	this is hopeless.	[03:36]
X-Rob	which means every 10 seconds, I (and all the rest of the miners) get told to discard everythign they're working on	[03:36]
X-Rob	yes.	[03:36]
cazalla	cryptsy users about to get btfo with spam "Cryptsy will actively promote digitalX Mintsy to its customer base of over 250,000 registered users, who currently trade over 200 different types of digital currencies, making the site a leader in digital currency trading."	[03:36]
X-Rob	mircea_popescu: This is POSSIBLY just because this p2pool doesn't have any history on block time	[03:37]
X-Rob	let's see how it goes after it finds a block	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	cazalla i wanna meet the followers for all these leaders. america, the land of the 99 leaders to the duck.	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	X-Rob: It's found 5	[03:38]
X-Rob	Hmmm	[03:38]
mike_c	asciilifeform: I'll try it on my son tomorrow night and let you know how it goes	[03:38]
asciilifeform	mike_c: that song is about pretty much every place i've ever worked.	[03:39]
mike_c	i like it :)	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_3sS0rTCo << same deal.	[03:41]
assbot	Un elefant se legana ... TraLaLa - YouTube	[03:42]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spondoolies-tech-sp-35/	[03:44]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: these are ascending	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	romanian optimism.	[03:44]
asciilifeform	'our [soviet] elephants - largest in the world!' - unknown wag	[03:44]
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BingoBoingo	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfNdwFwV6Ao << Traditional Anglo Lullaby	[03:47]
assbot	TEN LITTLE NIGGER BOYS - YouTube	[03:47]
BingoBoingo	I think every culture has its own countdown from 10 song	[03:49]
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mike_c	diff	[03:52]
mike_c	sry	[03:52]
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RagnarDanneskjol	re p2pool - like I said: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2014#807513	[03:53]
assbot	Logged on 24-08-2014 12:58:47; RagnarDanneskjol: going to try multiple options - prolly mpos cuz p2pool sux hairy balls	[03:53]
kakobrekla	BingoBoingo : monte negros only goes down to 7.	[03:54]
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BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: If it wasn't a badbet I'd suggest maor white Americans get ebola y Jan 1st 2015 than black Americans. Seems safe since they already have the lead.	[03:56]
kakobrekla	anyone knows what is the record for male 100m sprint in Montenegro?	[03:56]
kakobrekla	fine, ill tell you. its 44 meters.	[03:57]
RagnarDanneskjol	BingoBoingo - what is the name of the miners you are using - if its gonna stop tomorow, I might take it over so there's more than one miner on the pool. and I assume rob isnt planning to keep his running 24/7 indefinitely, right?	[03:57]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/6653	[03:58]
assbot	Mining Rig Rentals \| Rigs	[03:58]
RagnarDanneskjol	thank. have a contact name?	[03:59]
BingoBoingo	Just that the page lists and owner name. Other rigs might be a better value.	[03:59]
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RagnarDanneskjol	ok. just looking for reliability at this point.	[04:00]
X-Rob	[2014-09-17 10:58:20] Accepted 34998985 Diff 1.25K/1024 AV2 1 pool 3	[04:00]
X-Rob	[2014-09-17 10:58:22] Accepted 18493fe2 Diff 2.7K/1024 AV2 1 pool 3	[04:00]
X-Rob	[2014-09-17 10:58:25] Accepted 15f9f3ce Diff 2.98K/1024 AV2 0 pool 3	[04:00]
X-Rob	[2014-09-17 10:58:29] Found block for pool 3!	[04:00]
X-Rob	[2014-09-17 10:58:29] Stratum from pool 3 requested work restart	[04:00]
X-Rob	[2014-09-17 10:58:29] Accepted 04b43970 Diff 3.57M/1024 BLOCK! AV2 0 pool 3	[04:00]
X-Rob	[2014-09-17 10:58:33] Stratum from pool 3 detected new block	[04:00]
X-Rob		[04:00]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lol 44 metres ??	[04:03]
kakobrekla	thats the record. :)	[04:03]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: A big thing with p2pool seems to be finding miners that play nicely with it. Antminer S2's suck, but S1's and S3's are ok. Other rigs are somewhat trial and error in my limited research.	[04:04]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: http://photo.oper.ru/news/read.php?t=1051614147 << just for you. 'ballerina at the machine.'	[04:05]
assbot	-	[04:05]
RagnarDanneskjol	ahh - interesting. this I did not know	[04:07]
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RagnarDanneskjol	!up RagnarsBitch	[04:09]
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BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: Well complicating this is also that other than Antminers I dunno what mining hardware is actually shipping in quantity	[04:10]
RagnarsBitch	OK. I will do some research then	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	RagnarsBitch: Also with that site... It just functions as a sort of Ebay trying to be a "dumb" middleman so contacting rig owners off their paltform is a hassel	[04:13]
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RagnarsBitch	Ohhh. So like nicehash. That is good to know..I missed that	[04:16]
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BingoBoingo	RagnarsBitch: There seem to be a few of these sites. It was just the first one mentioned when the constipation crisis happened. I think Blazedout419 brought it up	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	!up Blazedout419	[04:19]
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chalbersma	@Ragnar did someone else add hashing power to the nodes?	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	%p	[04:19]
atcbot	No data returned from CoinMiner.net	[04:19]
atcbot	[PityThePool Hashrate]: 73.30 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	%d	[04:19]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 293762.94 in 1081 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.36	[04:19]
BingoBoingo	chalbersma: X-Rob just pointed his over	[04:20]
chalbersma	Nice	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	chalbersma: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-09-2014#831691 is where to do the quick catching up	[04:21]
assbot	Logged on 17-09-2014 00:22:07; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell X-Rob How are the stats on chalbersma's pool looking? http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/	[04:21]
X-Rob	heh	[04:21]
X-Rob	The share difficulty is better, chalbersma, btw	[04:21]
X-Rob	the gui is saying it's still small, but it seems to be only asking for resets at about 12k now	[04:22]
X-Rob	Block!	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	Oh, fixing the share difficulty was in part my bashing hash into the pool unproductively for a while's result	[04:22]
X-Rob	BingoBoingo: nah	[04:22]
BingoBoingo	Fuck Yeah	[04:22]
X-Rob	It wasn't accepting +diff before	[04:22]
X-Rob	and now it is	[04:22]
X-Rob	that was the first major fix that chalbersma did	[04:22]
chalbersma	Everybody loves a block.	[04:23]
chalbersma	X-Rob I looked it up. It will accept +diff but there's a maximum + you can go up. going 1024 when diff was 1 was too much.	[04:23]
BingoBoingo	X-Rob: Well, maybe a mix. For a while there were 0.002 second share times.	[04:23]
X-Rob	chalbersma: Hmmm. Anyway, it's working fine now with +1024	[04:24]
X-Rob	and that's the important thing.	[04:24]
chalbersma	Indeed	[04:24]
BingoBoingo	!s blogger.com	[04:24]
assbot	2 results for 'blogger.com' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=blogger.com	[04:24]
X-Rob	The pool still has its share difficulty way too low.	[04:25]
chalbersma	Ya when you look at p2pool in Bitcoin nobody has a share of the network like you and Bingo do.	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	chalbersma: Now you need to coordinate with mod6 to get the pool added to:	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	%p	[04:25]
atcbot	No data returned from CoinMiner.net	[04:25]
atcbot	[PityThePool Hashrate]: 109.95 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.34 TH/s	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	o look it dropped :D	[04:26]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I think an iSpace miner may have defected to this new pool	[04:27]
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nubbins`	http://dollar.fail	[04:31]
assbot	Bitcoin - Open source P2P money	[04:31]
nubbins`	lel	[04:31]
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mircea_popescu	Bitcoin.org is the original domain name used with the first Bitcoin website. It was registered and is still managed by Bitcoin core developers and by additional community members, with the input of Bitcoin communities. Bitcoin.org is not an official website. Just like nobody owns the email technology, nobody owns the Bitcoin network. As such, nobody can speak with authority in the name of Bitcoin.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	much better.	[04:33]
asciilifeform	and where goes bitcoin.fail ?	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	there.	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	oh	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	some derp wanting to sell it.	[04:34]
nubbins`	to some guy hawking domain names	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	phil@bitcoin.ink	[04:34]
nubbins`	phil's got money to burn	[04:34]
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mircea_popescu	no you don't understand investing	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	it's not burned if there's hope	[04:36]
nubbins`	o o	[04:36]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/more-visuals-from-buenos-aires/	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ^	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	Though his plan, when he gave her a buzz was to do what man normally does, she declared, "I'm a Soul- not a sexual tool!". So he shrugged and called someone who was.	[04:40]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[04:56]
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decimation	asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2014/09/16/what-in-the-world-were-those-white-objects-hovering-over-washington-d-c/ << they're watching	[04:59]
assbot	What in the world were those white objects hovering over Washington, D.C.?	[04:59]
[]bot	Bet placed: 3.14590287 BTC for No on "Iron Ore 62% Fe, CFR China (TSI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/775/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.27138403 BTC. Current weight: 31,667.	[05:00]
asciilifeform	these were announced some time last month, i think.	[05:00]
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decimation	asciilifeform: yeah but it turns out it wasn't the 'radar blimps'	[05:00]
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decimation	it's some other unit of usg doing spending money it doesn't have	[05:00]
asciilifeform	or amateurs, testing the waters.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[05:01]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 462.62, Best ask: 463.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 463.5, 24 hour volume: 5304.89306353, 24 hour low: 462.0, 24 hour high: 473.69, 24 hour vwap: 467.803999969	[05:01]
asciilifeform	http://www.popville.com/2014/03/about-that-balloon-in-the-sky-over-dupont << from comments, reference to commercial balloon service which is sometimes used in the city.	[05:03]
assbot	About that Balloon in the Sky Over Dupont \| PoPville	[05:03]
decimation	perhaps it's the humble beginnings of the Ugandan space program: http://acrossdifficultcountry.blogspot.com/2009/05/far-out-space-nuts.html	[05:03]
assbot	Across Difficult Country: Far out space nuts	[05:03]
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decimation	why the hell does a 'height master plan' need a balloon for photography?	[05:04]
asciilifeform	balloon-monger gotta eat.	[05:05]
decimation	maybe they can sell balloons to zambia	[05:05]
decimation	actually a well engineered balloon system would be a great 'pauper's space program'	[05:06]
asciilifeform	http://www.amazon.com/dia-Professional-Weather-Balloon-green/dp/B00DWG25E8 << not a military secret. buy all you want.	[05:06]
assbot	Amazon.com : 8 ft. dia. Professional Weather Balloon, 150g (green) : Weather Stations : Patio, Lawn & Garden	[05:06]
asciilifeform	problem is, these pop (by design) at a certain height.	[05:06]
decimation	yeah ideally you want it to adjust its height so it can use the winds to station-keep indefinitely	[05:07]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[05:08]
asciilifeform	http://web.mst.edu/~rogersda/forensic_geology/japenese%20vengenance%20bombs%20new.htm	[05:08]
asciilifeform	(winds, stationkeeping, got it all...)	[05:08]
decimation	plus submarines!	[05:08]
asciilifeform	all this, with 19th c. tech.	[05:08]
asciilifeform	not even rubber.	[05:09]
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decimation	my understanding is that the japanese were actually very close to a working nuke bomb	[05:10]
asciilifeform	decimation: not so much close to an actual physical unit, but had the correct approach (vs. german heavy water.)	[05:10]
decimation	submarine + bigass balloon + nuke = megadeath	[05:10]
asciilifeform	afaik they flew from japan proper.	[05:11]
asciilifeform	no subs required.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	get out of here, atom bomb baloons	[05:12]
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asciilifeform	temperamental machines, they were, not where you'd stuff a precious handmade '40s nuke	[05:12]
asciilifeform	but - cheap.	[05:12]
asciilifeform	'cheap & angry'	[05:12]
decimation	yeah you are right, I guess the submarines were just a hypothesis (although could still be true, sand from beach, launched from sub)	[05:13]
decimation	yeah I'm not sure that the rubber/plastic technology of the age could have made a big enough balloon	[05:13]
decimation	or set of balloons	[05:13]
asciilifeform	decimation: dirigible.	[05:13]
decimation	I think we had a conversation about cow guts being a military secret in germany	[05:14]
decimation	http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/other-wwi-aviation/59492-how-many-cows-does-take-build-zeppelin.html	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	decimation not the rubber, not the gas (how do you get helium on a sub ?)	[05:15]
assbot	How many cows does it take to build a Zeppelin?	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	etc	[05:15]
decimation	in theory one could produce hydrogen from the seawater with lots of energy	[05:16]
asciilifeform	He on a sub - nuttery. H on the other hand...	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	yeah glwt	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	it burns because it gets bored.	[05:16]
decimation	heh yeah	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	why not make azide baloon then	[05:16]
BingoBoingo	Because touching the balloon would set it off?	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	but even for the hell of it - calculate the sub that can carry the diesel engine that can make the electricity thyat can fill a baloon	[05:17]
decimation	It would probably be best to build a couple devices and stuff them on airplanes that are stuffed into submarines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-400-class_submarine	[05:18]
assbot	I-400-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[05:18]
decimation	of course the actual devices used by the us could never be carried by such light aircraft	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	decimation you're starting to sound like the hershey bar guy	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	"let's make a flying galleon!11"	[05:18]
decimation	hehe	[05:18]
decimation	I have a proposition for you but you need to self-select into a watt engine between 500-700 years ago	[05:19]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[05:19]
asciilifeform	http://adlittlechronicles.blogspot.com/2008/07/of-silk-purses-and-lead-balloons.html	[05:19]
assbot	ADL Chronicles: Of Silk Purses and Lead Balloons	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	i actually invented watt engines 750 years ago, over a coffee chat with twinklebros	[05:20]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.48303586 BTC. Current weight: 81,841.	[05:20]
decimation	but zuckerberg stole the idea because he googled 'im stealin ur patents'	[05:20]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2.00999999 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/871/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.36780981 BTC. Current weight: 45,590.	[05:20]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold will close above USD 2000 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/759/ Odds: 20(Y):80(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.61117835 BTC. Current weight: 26,076.	[05:20]
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mircea_popescu	no, watt did	[05:21]
decimation	no he was a front for zuck's sister	[05:21]
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decimation	I'm looking forward to facebook's space program http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/09/14/facebook-hires-satellite-executive-from-google/	[05:24]
assbot	Facebook Hires Satellite Executive from Google - Digits - WSJ	[05:24]
decimation	actually for what facebook wasted on whatsapp, they could have had a really nice little satellite constellation (assuming they had the will to engineer it properly)	[05:25]
mircea_popescu	http://www.8btc.com/everyones-a-scammer	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	glonass didn't cost 20 bn, and it;'s afaik better than the gps stuff	[05:26]
decimation	herr walker believes this could be scaled: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html << the nazis paid $13k 1945 dollars per V2	[05:28]
assbot	A Rocket a Day Keeps the High Costs Away	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	!up DiabloD3	[05:29]
-assbot-	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	decimation you should see what the gas cost them	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	if anyone can read chinese, wtf is 自愿持有那些法币臭狗屎	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	something with dogshit in it	[05:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.199 = 0.597 BTC [+]	[05:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19999 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}	[05:32]
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asciilifeform	$13k 1945 dollars per V2 << lol! the ultimate 'confusion between the warm and the soft things.'	[05:34]
[]bot	Bet placed: 3.01 BTC for No on "BitPay closed before the end of the year" http://bitbet.us/bet/757/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 8.26346298 BTC. Current weight: 27,079.	[05:34]
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asciilifeform	vile 20th century broke many good things, incl. fungibility of money.	[05:35]
decimation	asciilifeform: this is true. But even at 1000x that price, you can buy many rockets for $19bn today	[05:36]
asciilifeform	how many circa 2014 u.s. dollars buy $1 of circa 1905 german chemistry? and wtf does that even mean.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform % of total world still works as a comparison term.	[05:37]
asciilifeform	19bn bezzlars? try to spend that much empty paper and buy one rocket.	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	1% of earth is worth 1% of earth at any point in time.	[05:37]
asciilifeform	not sure 19bn buys 1% of earth unless in the form of briefcases loaded with bejies	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	well notrly, buy bitcoin for it, then buy the rocket :D	[05:38]
asciilifeform	*benj	[05:38]
asciilifeform	sure. but same applies. can't be in, e.g., 'yahoo' stock.	[05:38]
cazalla	hilarious, top video on reddit, guy getting jacked at gun point in where else but Buenos Aires	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	no wai.	[05:38]
cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY	[05:38]
assbot	Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	this has so got to be fake	[05:39]
decimation	the way the nazis got there was partially by making von braun the personal dictator of their rocket program and partialy by slave labor	[05:39]
cazalla	and this is like 5 mins after reading your article	[05:39]
decimation	neither of which are available today	[05:39]
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mircea_popescu	where the fuck is he	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	looks like baracas or something	[05:40]
The20YearIRCloud	Glonass is better than GPS	[05:41]
decimation	it seems that there is a division between those who are rich in bezzlars and those who could use them to do something worthwhile	[05:42]
asciilifeform	decimation: as per very definition of bezzlar.	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	lmao that guy has no future as a robber	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	pull that shit on the wrong guy he'd have fed him his pistol by now	[05:42]
asciilifeform	reddit >> http://a.pomf.se/wvukav.webm	[05:42]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, apparently La Boca	[05:43]
decimation	I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the glonass wagon: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2139300/russias-glonass-gps-system-suffers-major-disruption.html	[05:43]
assbot	Russia's Glonass GPS system suffers major disruption \| PCWorld	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	Berta Lovejoy1 hour ago	[05:44]
mircea_popescu		[05:44]
mircea_popescu	This is why I say that all men should have an annual mandatory mental checkup. Over 80% of inmates are men, and 40% of the global male population ends up in prison at some point in their life. It is clear that they have some sort of genetic defect that makes them act irresponsibly and end up putting others at risk. Peace and civility can only be achieved if we ensure that the male population has a normal functioning st	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	ate of mind.	[05:44]
mircea_popescu	lawl.	[05:44]
The20YearIRCloud	There was supposed to be a ? After what I said. Glonass has been very problematic. When it works its great but way more unreliable than GPS	[05:44]
The20YearIRCloud	GPS has essentially had 100% uptime since the 80s. Glonass started in 1976 and hasn't worked correctly till about 2004	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	i've not been following it too closely.	[05:45]
decimation	mircea_popescu: report to your local reeducation camp to adjust your mental health	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	but afaik they mostly fixed it.	[05:45]
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asciilifeform	it'll get 100% uptime when the last wintel box in russia is ceremonially burned.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	decimation or i could just bitchslap her if she starts droning around me	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	either way.	[05:45]
The20YearIRCloud	The joys of feminazidom	[05:46]
asciilifeform	hasn't worked correctly till about 2004 >> imperial collapse isn't terribly great for satellite constellations. as usa will soon discover.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	(along with vassal states)	[05:46]
The20YearIRCloud	What's median lifespan of a GPS satellite? Last time I checked it was over 30 years	[05:47]
asciilifeform	nope.	[05:47]
asciilifeform	rated life ~= 10 yrs. (optimal)	[05:47]
The20YearIRCloud	Even with collapse the constellation has good working chances through 2050	[05:47]
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BingoBoingo	The20YearIRCloud: I dun think you know how frequently GPS satellites get replaced	[05:47]
asciilifeform	5-7 yrs. in practice	[05:48]
asciilifeform	and this is without any banana dictator deciding one day to play selective-access games with the machines.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	did you just make a racist remark @obama ?	[05:48]
decimation	the details behind the glonass outage: http://gpsworld.com/the-system-glonass-in-april-what-went-wrong/	[05:48]
assbot	The System: GLONASS in April, What Went Wrong : GPS World	[05:48]
asciilifeform	http://www.tpnn.com/2014/08/07/video-russian-laser-show-features-obama-sucking-on-a-banana	[05:49]
assbot	VIDEO: Russian Laser Show Features Obama Sucking on a Banana	[05:49]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla http://www.expanish.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Buenos-Aires-barrios1.gif	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	i am in awe of my geolocation skills	[05:49]
decimation	BingoBoingo: I think they try to keep a few 'spares' in orbit	[05:50]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, close! but no cigar as they say :P	[05:50]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Sure, but if the lifespan is so poor...	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	a decade in outerspace is no kind of poor !	[05:51]
decimation	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4WHG_GgKdI	[05:52]
assbot	Rocket Carrying GPS 2R Satellite Explodes - YouTube	[05:52]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: A decade would be an abysmal lifespan for a book	[05:56]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[05:59]
gribble	Current Blocks: 321076 \| Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 \| Next Difficulty In: 1483 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 42 minutes, and 32 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 33634858035.1 \| Estimated Percent Change: 12.75615	[05:59]
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TheNewDeal	I may be wrong, but, the other day I think the topic of french woment showing their tits as part of some feminist revolution was discussed in here? Anyway here's a video that should provide some lulz. Forewarning, it's 10 minutes long, and retarded http://www.upworthy.com/a-french-film-showing-men-what-being-a-woman-feels-like-kinda?c=reccon1	[06:06]
assbot	A French Film Showing Men What Being A Woman Feels Like Kinda Nails It	[06:06]
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decimation	lol usg is planning to spend $6.8bn bezzlars on one rocket (but it's fit for humans!) http://www.airspacemag.com/daily-planet/boeing-spacex-win-nasa-commercial-crew-award-180952722/?no-ist	[06:14]
assbot	Boeing, SpaceX Win NASA Commercial Crew Award \| Daily Planet \| Air & Space Magazine	[06:14]
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decimation	actually that's $6.8bn for the metal cage that holds the humans, the rocket is extra	[06:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37896 @ 0.00074914 = 28.3894 BTC [-]	[06:56]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 1.01 BTC for No on "Bitcoin volatility 2014 over $800" http://bitbet.us/bet/986/ Odds: 24(Y):76(N) by coin, 36(Y):64(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.3111 BTC. Current weight: 42,527.	[07:20]
mircea_popescu	decimation boeing was going to get usg funds one way or another.	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	spacex is the reward programme for musk & friends	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	the metal cage is extra	[07:22]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[15:37]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass.	[15:37]
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mircea_popescu	so this is weird : if you do /nick irc it says * irc :Erroneous Nickname ; but if you do /msg NickServ identify irc 123 it says -NickServ- Invalid password for Nexuist. now how the hell did this nexuist guy manage to group irc ?	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	;;whois nexuist	[15:39]
gribble	Error: You don't have the network.whois capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.	[15:39]
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xmj	whoami	[15:49]
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mircea_popescu	!up themediator	[15:56]
-assbot-	You voiced themediator for 30 minutes.	[15:56]
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Azelphur	it's official, I'm can see the future, http://pastebin.com/kBsUCMAL :P	[16:13]
assbot	(10:23:47) : https://coinfloor.co.uk (10:24:35) : Looks good, cheap, faster UK - Pastebin.com	[16:13]
Azelphur	I can*	[16:13]
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kakobrekla	;;ticker	[16:18]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 453.59, Best ask: 453.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 453.6, 24 hour volume: 7539.14007470, 24 hour low: 453.6, 24 hour high: 472.4, 24 hour vwap: 462.896815563	[16:19]
kakobrekla	more exchanges than buyers.	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur how many butts in my head tonight ?	[16:20]
Azelphur	I'mma go with...zero	[16:20]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[16:20]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: ragnar has been talking to me about doing some MPEX stuff on company time soon, could be interesting :)	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	aha ?	[16:21]
Azelphur	nothing anywhere near set yet, but words like bloomberg terminal are being thrown about :)	[16:22]
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Azelphur	(ie, some kind of bloomberg terminal-like UI)	[16:22]
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mircea_popescu	shouldn't be too terribly hard.	[16:25]
Azelphur	indeed	[16:25]
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fluffypony	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxs9rIyCEAAg8i_.jpg	[16:37]
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chetty	http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/09/16/Dick-Durbin-Amnesty-Bill-Will-Help-Contain-Ebola	[16:42]
assbot	Dick Durbin: Amnesty Bill Will Help Contain Ebola	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	wait it's an epidemic already ?	[16:43]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/breaks-over-back-to-the-basement/	[16:44]
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nubbins`	lel	[16:53]
nubbins`	i think epidemic is the word they use when 50% of cases have appeared in the past three weeks 8)	[16:54]
nubbins`	it's climbing like the fucking hashrate	[16:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84280 @ 0.00075442 = 63.5825 BTC [+]	[16:55]
*	chetty thinks needed a morning coffee // http://trilema.com/2014/breaks-over-back-to-the-basement/	[16:58]
assbot	Break’s over, back to the basement! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	chetty what, too soft ?!	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolo_Tomassi << wikipedia delivers lol	[17:01]
assbot	Rolo Tomassi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[17:01]
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mircea_popescu	obscure band from nowhere, as described by Paul Klotschkow in Nottingham Culture - LeftLion	[17:02]
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asciilifeform	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rebecca-abrahams/give-me-46-billion-and-i_b_5773316.html << amazing!11! trololol.	[17:30]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[17:30]
assbot	Give Me $46 Billion and I will Build a Safe Computer System \| Rebecca Abrahams	[17:30]
asciilifeform	incidentally, anyone amused by the above should look up Green Hills corp.	[17:31]
asciilifeform	http://www.ghs.com/linux.html << the original industrial-strength anti-linux pr.	[17:33]
assbot	Linux in Defense - Green Hills Software	[17:33]
asciilifeform	(ghs sells own os, not based on anything in particular. something which in principle i'd find appealing, but virtually nothing is publicly known about it. it's a 'golden toilet' of u.s. military establishment.)	[17:34]
punkman	"FortressFone™ is a 100% reengineered and reimagined secure mobile solution. The first truly hardened Android Smartphone, it stops intercepts of all communications and blocks any kind of spying."	[17:34]
punkman	she's chief twitterer for that	[17:35]
asciilifeform	when i read the 'rebecca' piece, i immediately assumed it was a green hills turd somebody dug up for old time's sake.	[17:35]
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punkman	http://www.ghs.com/linux.html << the original industrial-strength anti-linux pr. << heh, not bad	[17:40]
assbot	Linux in Defense - Green Hills Software	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	somehow i doubt she'll do any such thing	[17:40]
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asciilifeform	anyone know if there's a traditional name for this type of scam?	[17:48]
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asciilifeform	that is - concocting a wildly and brazenly obvious crock of shit, to make lesser ones seem plausible ?	[17:49]
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asciilifeform	for now, i'll call it 'diversion' and be done with it.	[17:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22475 @ 0.00075515 = 16.972 BTC [+]	[17:52]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[17:55]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 454.71, Best ask: 455.8, Bid-ask spread: 1.09000, Last trade: 455.95, 24 hour volume: 9361.40609929, 24 hour low: 450.0, 24 hour high: 471.75, 24 hour vwap: 460.189640213	[17:55]
thestringpuller	the dump begins?	[17:55]
thestringpuller	or dump is ongoing?	[17:55]
thestringpuller	hoorah ethereum?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	o noes.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "truth bodyguard of lies" ?	[17:58]
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los_pantalones	mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY	[18:13]
assbot	Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube	[18:13]
los_pantalones	what is a 'rough part' of buenos aires ?	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones on one hand, it's been all over the logs yest, we even indentify the place ; on the other, a comment there even gave me a starting point for a trilema article	[18:14]
los_pantalones	MY BAD	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	generally the southwest, baraccas, la boca etc	[18:14]
los_pantalones	everyone mock the dufus and move along	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	you can readily recognise it, has this african feel, low derpy buildings etc	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, didja watch that video /	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	?	[18:15]
los_pantalones	yes	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	dja feel threatened by the schmuck ?	[18:15]
los_pantalones	noop	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	my point.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	"herpy derp let me show you my unloaded bb gun and get within choke range while holding my hands down helplessly"	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	the fact that doofus survived to that age is in general proof of the incredibly low crime rate here.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	imagine him pulling that shit in detroit.	[18:16]
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los_pantalones	shoot first	[18:17]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu> imagine him pulling that shit in detroit. << good premise for a movie methinks	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	it	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	d be a short gay feature.	[18:23]
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chetty	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY	[18:29]
assbot	Attempted robbery at gunpoint caught on GoPro!!! - YouTube	[18:29]
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thestringpuller	i was just thinking of the scenario of dumb robbers ending up in detroit for some reason and attempting it	[18:35]
thestringpuller	it'd be a comedy no?	[18:35]
los_pantalones	home alone detroit	[18:36]
thestringpuller	LOL	[18:36]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller maybe a reality show	[18:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00075317 = 23.6495 BTC [-]	[18:50]
asciilifeform	had a thought. usg's btc price dampener strategy has no clear endgame - the 'ethereum' thing will carry on while the usd printing press runs, because it stands to reason they are running both the sell and -buy- ends of the machine. 'arse-mouth system.'	[18:51]
asciilifeform	the usd printer doesn't even have to engage unless an outsider shows up to purchase a cheap coin.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	kinda the idea. "make it impossible to sell btc to third parties, continue to pretend like the price is low, gold v2.0"	[18:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: anybody other than us discussing this publicly ?	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	anybody else is either too stupid or too poor to be concerned with such matters.	[18:55]
asciilifeform	but how does usg ensure that no third party outbid it ?	[18:56]
asciilifeform	as i understand, they are simply baking on painting the tape 'dark enough' with arse-mouth lowball bids.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	ensure too strong a word. but suppose you don't let terrorists run their own exchanges, nor deposit to yours.	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	well... no demand then right ?	[18:58]
asciilifeform	*banking on	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	kinda why the entire "public auction of btc" thing turned into such an embarassment for the usg.	[18:59]
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asciilifeform	i see it as virtually certain that the sr stash was 'washed' - i.e. traded for some quantity of 'uninteresting' coin, of the kind the public has not been sniffing the blockchain history of on a daily basis; which was then used as fuel with which to stoke gambits like 'ethereum.'	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	nah different coinbase.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	the ethereum scam was mostly supported on borrowed coins.	[19:03]
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asciilifeform	different coinbase << traded in meatspace. purely analogue operation.	[19:04]
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mircea_popescu	well in that sense sure.	[19:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: anybody else is either too stupid or too poor << the funny part is, if i actually had any palpable coin, i'd find this kind of mental process more arduous, rather than less. being armchair general vs. the actual kind. easier.	[19:07]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-logical-impossibility-and-the-moral-untenability-of-forgiveness/	[19:09]
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thestringpuller	that's a good article mircea_popescu	[19:15]
thestringpuller	i think you're getting soft :P	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	in my old age.	[19:17]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu will be an adorable old man :D	[19:21]
punkman	http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/17/mt-gox-s-karpeles-on-losing-a-half-billion-bucks-in-bitcoins.html	[19:21]
assbot	Vilified Bitcoin Tycoon After Losing $500 Million: My Life Is at Risk - The Daily Beast	[19:21]
punkman	someone's gonna try the rubberhose eventually	[19:23]
los_pantalones	"I have forgotten my laptop on a park bench numerous times"	[19:24]
los_pantalones	prob something that would cause you to put someone else in charge of security	[19:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14830 @ 0.00075515 = 11.1989 BTC [+]	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	los_pantalones unverifiable claim. why not make it, in his position ?	[19:24]
kakobrekla	you forgot " and each time someone brought it back to me."	[19:26]
punkman	"Maybe it’s too strong to use that word, but being pirated—having someone entering your server without you knowing it—is close to being violated, like a virtual rape."	[19:29]
los_pantalones	hero is a comic book character	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	well once statutory rape exists at all, everything is "like rape"	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	that's a logical necessity.	[19:33]
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Namworld	Someone found is laptop, saw who's it was, planted his malware, gave it back. Mark has it connected to backend while working.	[19:45]
Namworld	Next episode: Hacker and his gang's daring escape with the floppy disk containing half a billion USD. Hot pursuit, treason and more!	[19:45]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: what do you think of #b-a media?	[19:45]
Namworld	Because stupid plot	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	Namworld quite stupid plot.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller wut ?	[19:46]
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Namworld	Don't old hacking/spy/etc movies all look like that anyway? Plots that don't make sense, with floppy disks.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	honestly, i never cared for pulp, be it sf, action, spy, whatever.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	so i have no fucking idea.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	conventional fiction just isn't worth the time	[19:48]
Namworld	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicFloppyDisk eh	[19:49]
assbot	Main/Magic Floppy Disk - Television Tropes & Idioms	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	lol maybe this is the cause for the cloud	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	hollywood needed better tropes.	[19:55]
Namworld	>xD	[19:56]
Namworld	Cloud hacking? Is there games/movies about people who can hack into everything electric? Yup.	[19:57]
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Namworld	New plot device, just as retarded as before.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	but at least it's new.	[19:58]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: we should invent our own propaganda machine of media	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	like renaming homeless people something else : now you get a year or so breathing space while everyone redoes the studies in the new name	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller why ?	[19:59]
thestringpuller	why not?	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	because we mostly don't care to deal with idiots ?	[19:59]
thestringpuller	GPG radio shows	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	that's like the only identifiable point of bitcoin programme. "let's act as if idiots didn't exist"	[20:00]
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punkman	time for that #b-a irc server?	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	nah, let them work harder at it.	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	the counterpoint to asciilifeform's parachute theory is that you don't want to be jumping from any plane unless it's been invested many time its value.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	all war is economic war.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	(investment is a military term before being co-opted for economic usage)	[20:07]
Namworld	My cat is... well he's really affectionate, but he mostly destroys everything.	[20:08]
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Namworld	If I'm not around, he seems to get stressed. And starts chewing stuff into pieces.	[20:08]
asciilifeform	Namworld: let the beast outside.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	or get it a girl.	[20:10]
Namworld	cat is neutered	[20:10]
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Namworld	No, if I let it outside, it just attacks stuff. Would probably constantly bring me back dead birds and squirrels.	[20:12]
asciilifeform	Namworld: attacks stuff -> that's the whole point. it's an obligate carnivore.	[20:12]
Namworld	Depends on the cat, some don't hunt too much because they're fed.	[20:13]
asciilifeform	Namworld: how'd you like it if somebody sealed you up in a dungeon with nothing of any interest to do.	[20:13]
Namworld	Hey, it was adopt or let the kitten stay outside and grow wild. They tend to die during the winter, depending on if they're lucky or not.	[20:15]
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asciilifeform	Namworld: at least, in the wild, beast gets to live before dies.	[20:15]
Namworld	Maybe, but it's not really a wild animal.	[20:17]
Azelphur	I used to have a pet cockatiel that'd attack you if you didn't stroke her.	[20:17]
mthreat	!up jenninsea	[20:17]
Namworld	If I wasn't living in the middle of the city, I'd let it roam outside.	[20:17]
mthreat	where oh where is assbot	[20:17]
Namworld	Where it could hunt down pests like it should.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	so one of the bs internet research firms made a happiness research thingee, whatever that means.	[20:18]
mthreat	ha penis	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, the happiest is the actual bitcoin ceo : 39 yo male, wife at home taking care of a kid, making 200k a year.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	the unhappiest is the actual feminist : 42 yo female, unmarried, under 100k	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	why the hell people derp about how feminism runs the world is beyond me.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	it runs the gutter is what it runs.	[20:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 100k - usd? and, where? palo alto? moscow? zimbabwe?	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	!up jenninsea	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	meh! all these splits!	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "the internet". it's a place.	[20:20]
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asciilifeform	and how the hell can one hope to learn anything by polling people about 'happy' ?	[20:20]
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mircea_popescu	someone should make a geographical map of "the internet" , like those "size of body by brain mapping" statuettes	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you don't understand internet "research" yo.	[20:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the author of 'xkcd' did	[20:21]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[20:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://xkcd.com/802 << his attempt	[20:21]
Namworld	Worst thing is, he goes on the window sill near my bed. To get down, he jumps on the bed through the curtains. He just does a wall-kick on my head if I happen to occupy that spot. Same if he's playing. He'll just run you over. Or make you trip.	[20:23]
asciilifeform	Namworld: set the poor beast free.	[20:23]
mthreat	"They say money can't buy happiness? Look at the fuckin' smile on my face. Ear to ear baby. " - Ben Affleck in Boiler Room, http://youtu.be/JfIKzReNDF4?t=1m40s	[20:24]
Namworld	Fortunately it also sits at your feet or jump on you and lick your face. I'll see if I can walk him like a dog.	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	Namworld im seriously with asciilifeform. get a diff cat.	[20:25]
Namworld	I've let him out. He runs back as soon as he encounters one of the neighborhood wild cats.	[20:26]
asciilifeform	Namworld: i had a neighbour who walked his cat like dog. martini glass in one hand, leash - in other. that beast was leashed on account of a fondness for the taste of human flesh.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what i meant was more like a map of the world, but the countries not in geographical siz	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	like, california roughly twice the size of russia.	[20:26]
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kakobrekla	!up jenninsea	[20:27]
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mircea_popescu	FAIL	[20:27]
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kakobrekla	!up jenninsea	[20:27]
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kakobrekla	fail is your pet.	[20:27]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://analepsis.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/336.png	[20:27]
jenninsea	yay	[20:27]
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mthreat	jenninsea: "sea" = "seattle", not "sealand"?	[20:28]
Namworld	Well it's the middle of the city, mostly concrete all around. Not much backyards. Plus big cats don't like him on their territory apparently.	[20:28]
jenninsea	yes mthreat	[20:28]
kakobrekla	at least this one speaks!	[20:28]
jenninsea	how do i get voice permanently?	[20:28]
kakobrekla	!help	[20:29]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots	[20:29]
kakobrekla	hm	[20:29]
kakobrekla	wrong link	[20:29]
kakobrekla	go 3 up	[20:29]
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jenninsea	3 up?	[20:31]
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kakobrekla	explore dat wiki link.	[20:32]
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jenninsea	ah, gotcha	[20:34]
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ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[20:41]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 447.59, Best ask: 448.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 447.09, 24 hour volume: 11089.81912698, 24 hour low: 447.08, 24 hour high: 469.4, 24 hour vwap: 457.745659022	[20:41]
ThickAsThieves	the video game where you can hack anything is called Watch Dogs, i think	[20:41]
Namworld	Yeah, looks like it	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	maybe we'll get $270 bitcoins for xmas this year	[20:43]
los_pantalones	thanksgiving	[20:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 244 @ 0.00494999 = 1.2078 BTC [+]	[20:49]
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ThickAsThieves	!up mats_cd03	[20:50]
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mats_cd03	22:28:50 <+mircea_popescu> something with dogshit in it << looks like something meant to be synonymous with 'fiat'. so, fiat held by those smelly dog shits.	[20:51]
mats_cd03	ThickAsThieves: thx m8	[20:51]
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mircea_popescu	ah	[20:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 210 @ 0.00496571 = 1.0428 BTC [+] {3}	[20:52]
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ThickAsThieves	np	[20:53]
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mats_cd03	simplified chinese is terrible.	[20:56]
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mats_cd03	actually, chinese in general is pretty terrible	[20:57]
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mats_cd03	even highly educated chinese (~6000 character mastery) sometimes write complex characters incorrectly, and dont realize it due to the sheer number of them in existence	[20:59]
mats_cd03	the kangxi dictionary, standardized during the qing, has... 47k characters.	[21:00]
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mats_cd03	http://thesprawl.org/projects/ida-sploiter some ROP bits in there	[21:06]
assbot	ida sploiter \| projects \| sprawl	[21:06]
mircea_popescu	i scarcely see the problem. i know about half a million words and never confuse them	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	granted the alphabetic notation is much better mnemotechnic than the stupidity of pictograms, which is why modern language use alphabets and words.	[21:09]
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mircea_popescu	lol bitbet can't approve hurricane bet because the hurricane center site is down	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	such lyf	[21:10]
mats_cd03	its inefficient, because while recognizing them is easy	[21:10]
mats_cd03	writing them, not so much.	[21:10]
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mats_cd03	it is pretty typical for chinese people to forget how to write this or that character... how common is that for westerners?	[21:11]
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mircea_popescu	educated ppl ? poretty much alzheimer symptom if it happens	[21:12]
mats_cd03	http://www.rafayhackingarticles.net/2014/08/android-browser-same-origin-policy.html millions of android devices vulnerable.	[21:13]
assbot	Android Browser Same Origin Policy Bypass < 4.4 - CVE-2014-6041 \| Learn How To Hack - Ethical Hacking and security tips	[21:13]
ThickAsThieves	The Federal Reserve said the economy is expanding at a moderate pace and inflation is below its goal while maintaining a commitment to keep interest rates near zero for a “considerable time” after asset purchases are completed.	[21:13]
ThickAsThieves	inflation below its goal!	[21:14]
kakobrekla	malaimo neher haf huch prohlzn	[21:14]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "King Felix to Reign MLB Strikeouts" http://bitbet.us/bet/943/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.815 BTC. Current weight: 19,512.	[21:14]
kakobrekla	mats_cd03 *	[21:14]
bounce	easy enough fix. they fudged their definition so much to make it seem lower that they have plenty of headroom fudging the definition so it's back at goal.	[21:15]
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ThickAsThieves	you have the wrong definition of goal tho	[21:16]
ThickAsThieves	goal is to reach infinity dollars	[21:17]
Namworld	and supermarket price tags to all read $∞?	[21:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00075196 = 13.9865 BTC [-] {3}	[21:21]
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thestringpuller	<+ThickAsThieves> goal is to reach infinity dollars << i wonder if you could trick someone into think that is a real currency	[21:33]
thestringpuller	oh wait	[21:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29848 @ 0.00075154 = 22.432 BTC [-]	[22:18]
ben_vulpes	damn lawyers	[22:21]
ben_vulpes	"please send me a diff of this amended SOW against the previous one"	[22:21]
ben_vulpes	diff comes back with one section highlit	[22:21]
ben_vulpes	missing highlighting of like 4 other changed areas	[22:21]
ben_vulpes	dafuq are you getting paid for?	[22:21]
thestringpuller	getting paid to sue clients for money they owe you for violating SOW	[22:23]
thestringpuller	:P	[22:23]
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mike_c	no way. if you use a lawyer to sue your clients you end up losing money.	[22:30]
mike_c	small claims court ftw.	[22:30]
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mircea_popescu	mats_cd03 maybe there's something to be said for a many read few write system, upon consideration.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	the ease with which an appearance of wrioting can be imparted on children in the latin empire may be the actual downfal of this entire thing	[22:39]
mircea_popescu	and supermarket price tags to all read $∞? << yes because no matter what $∞ purchase you pay with an $∞ bill you're still owed $∞ in change.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	finally money can be fair.	[22:40]
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ThickAsThieves	i've got my ∞ tattoo, so it's like a lifetime pass	[22:48]
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xmj	ben_vulpes: use plaintext files in a SCM.	[22:52]
xmj	ben_vulpes: git diff foo@hash foo@hash_previous	[22:53]
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ben_vulpes	xmj: have you ever actually hammered out contracts with client legal teams?	[23:04]
ben_vulpes	there isn't enough time in the world to teach the lawyers scm	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	of COURSE i keep all of my company's documents in source control	[23:05]
ben_vulpes	it's the pesky client documents	[23:05]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: we already have 'many read few write.' nobody's really fooled by the erzats-writers.	[23:06]
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xmj	ay	[23:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36875 @ 0.00075147 = 27.7105 BTC [-] {2}	[23:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00075126 = 18.5561 BTC [-]	[23:43]
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thestringpuller	random question if someone can answer it	[23:50]
thestringpuller	is anyone from bitstamp in the WoT?	[23:51]
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mike_c	kakobrekla is. he is president of bitstamp fan club.	[23:54]
xmj	lol:	[23:55]
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xmj	"today i learned dollar.fail redirects to bitcoin.org"	[23:55]
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chalbersma	;;help rate	[23:57]
gribble	(rate []) -- Enters a rating for in the amount of . Use optional field to enter any notes you have about this user. must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.	[23:57]

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