Forum logs for 17 Aug 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes mnop [00:50]
assbot Adam Back on Twitter:.@twobitidiot someone mentioned hypothetical: if you lost your Bitcoins as a result of Gavin network split - would you hold him accountable? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMuPqj ) [00:55]
assbot Pierre Omidyar also started a Qntra back in October. His failed. | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUts4e ) [00:55]
mircea_popescu aww [00:57]
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mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3h9cq4/its_time_for_a_break_about_the_recent_mess/ << i suppose theymos' valliant effort to make reddit matter is cute in its own way. [01:01]
assbot It's time for a break: About the recent mess & temporary new rules : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1TMvHez ) [01:01]
mircea_popescu weird that he didn't choose to take that stand three years ago on his own damned forum, but instead goes to break his neck on someone else's shit platform. [01:01]
mircea_popescu i guess this is the problem with youth. [01:01]
mircea_popescu by the time it figures shit out it's screwed alreadt. [01:02]
ben_vulpes how old is theymos? [01:03]
mircea_popescu twennysomething. [01:04]
ben_vulpes bitcointalk was ppulling in what, tens of btc/wk? [01:05]
mircea_popescu certainly more than reddit modertatorship's paying hjim [01:06]
ben_vulpes http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-11.log.html#t15:08:27 << oh man kakobrekla can we get color coded b-a lawgz too? pretty please? [01:07]
assbot #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-08-11 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lew22i ) [01:07]
mircea_popescu lobbes did that [01:08]
mircea_popescu !rated lobbes [01:08]
assbot You rated user lobbes on 06-Feb-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: #eulora logs bot. [01:08]
ben_vulpes i'd dearly love a css pass on logs.bitcoin-assets to colorize by speaker and with a mobile breakpoint [01:08]
ben_vulpes for logging while dropping logs [01:08]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell belxjanger please fix your connection. [01:13]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:13]
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gribble The operation succeeded. [01:13]
mircea_popescu meh. [01:13]
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phf ben_vulpes: mobile breakpoint? [01:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00075521 = 1.5104 BTC [-] [01:50]
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ShawnLeary thx [01:53]
ShawnLeary @member:ben_vulpes https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html [01:53]
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ShawnLeary you can become a VIP Donator with a small gift of 50 BTC to theymos [01:54]
mats what is this @member: business [01:57]
ShawnLeary i dunno, i copy pasted my previous post that didn't go through [01:58]
ShawnLeary i'm using colloquy [01:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36700 @ 0.00075521 = 27.7162 BTC [-] [02:01]
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fluffypony https://github.com/xtbit/notbitcoinxt [03:51]
fluffypony hah hah [03:51]
assbot xtbit/notbitcoinxt · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NcH9vI ) [03:51]
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mircea_popescu lol [05:17]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMhzHEqWcAAQXCV.png [05:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuuG4S ) [05:35]
fluffypony lol [05:41]
punkman "A mischievous fellow who counts among his friends the queen of Bhutan and Catherine Deneuve, Louboutin has perfected the art of the glacial smile when faced with awkward ethical questions. What does he make, for instance, of the fact that in India, a market into which he is expanding, there are lots of people who own no shoes at all?" [05:41]
punkman "“Not everything is for everyone and that’s the way it is,” he said, teeth gleaming indifferently. His theories about shoes were tinged, predictably, with a seeming misogyny. They come, he insisted, with a great deal of “sexual energy” – which is perhaps just as well, as the only thing it’s possible to do in a pair of his heels is lie down." [05:41]
punkman http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/12/thousand-refugees-locked-in-stadium-overnight-kos [05:50]
assbot Migrants locked in stadium on Kos for nearly 24 hours | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1DX9nrJ ) [05:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00076052 = 19.2412 BTC [+] [05:50]
mircea_popescu heels are not for us bred fatties. [05:56]
mircea_popescu heels are for women. [05:56]
mircea_popescu wtf "ethical questions" are these ? [05:56]
punkman why can't bums in india have louboutins? not fair! [05:57]
mircea_popescu butthurt is now "ethics" or what. [05:57]
mircea_popescu because they're lesser people. [05:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69010 @ 0.00075721 = 52.2551 BTC [-] {5} [05:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.00075991 = 40.0473 BTC [+] {3} [06:00]
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mircea_popescu since we're doing lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/lol-gavin.png [06:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1PuwJ9b ) [06:00]
mircea_popescu https://gist.github.com/sipa/c65665fc360ca7a176a6 maybe worth a read. [06:08]
assbot Block size according to technological growth. · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IbIM6k ) [06:08]
mircea_popescu mostly for "Bitcoin's advantage over other systems does not lie in scalability. Well-designed centralized systems can trivially compete with Bitcoin's on-chain transactions in terms of cost, speed, reliability, convenience, and scale. Its power lies in transparency, lack of need for trust in network peers, miners, and those who influence or control the system. Wanting to increase the scale of the system is in conflict [06:09]
mircea_popescu with all of those." [06:09]
punkman that's nice, but : [06:09]
punkman "It implements a series of block size steps, one every ~97 days, between January 2017 and July 2063, each increasing the maximum block size by 4.4%. This allows an overall growth of 17.7% per year. " [06:09]
mircea_popescu yeah the actual function's useless as is [06:11]
mircea_popescu but the conceptual harness is sound. [06:12]
mircea_popescu "Attempting to buy time with a fast increase is not wanting to face that reality, and treating the system as something whose scale trumps all other concerns. A long term scalability plan should aim on decreasing the need for trust required in off-chain systems, rather than increasing the need for trust in Bitcoin." etc [06:12]
* Adlai has realized from 'notbitcoinxt' that ultimately the only thing that matters is what enters the blockchain. text, including that inside textual protocol fields, is just text. [06:12]
Adlai miner's chicken. they may all support 42TB blocks, as long as the other guy mines them first [06:13]
mircea_popescu a function that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x the average actual size of the blocks in the 2k batch for instance. [06:14]
mircea_popescu gives everyone some leverage - miners that want to keep blocks smaller can mine empty blocks. miners that mine large blocks have the usual disadvantage due to speed. the thing itself allows very limited growth, in the sense of 1% growth if the previous two weeks were all full blocks. [06:18]
punkman that's more than 17.7% :P [06:18]
mircea_popescu actual bitcoin users can actually force the miners, by paying enough to make their transactions not-non-mineable, even if it fills blocks [06:18]
mircea_popescu punkman it could be. [06:19]
mircea_popescu that's the difference : i have no need for an arbitrary 18% no matter what. [06:19]
punkman but yes this might be a sort of sane way to handle block size [06:19]
mircea_popescu maintaining full blocks for two weeks straight has not happened yet nor would it be trivial [06:19]
mircea_popescu 20 empty blocks in the two weeks interval nullify the growth. [06:20]
mircea_popescu making any expansion truely consensus-driven. [06:20]
punkman I'd still want the fee market to develop further before any increase. [06:20]
mircea_popescu it necessarily would. because unless two weeks worth of filled blocks, it does nothing. [06:20]
mircea_popescu if the fee market has not developed by the time the blocks are filled like that, it;s not happening. [06:20]
punkman right now it appears that fees are increasing, but only because of the derps doing "stress tests" [06:21]
mircea_popescu there has not yet been as much as a signle day of straight full blocks. [06:21]
mircea_popescu in fact, there have not been full bloicks period [06:21]
mircea_popescu (ie, 1mb exactly. because 990 mb blocks fails to allow for an increase by the above proposal) [06:22]
mircea_popescu 990kb i mean [06:22]
punkman depends if these kb are base10 [06:23]
mircea_popescu iirc they are [06:23]
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mircea_popescu 1000000 bytes [06:23]
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mircea_popescu (in case it wasn't obvious - this wouldn't allow a decrease of blocksize. increase only) [06:26]
Adlai eh? if the average of the 2kb batch is under x/1.01, wouldn't that reduce the cap? [06:26]
Adlai or does this have a "memory" [06:27]
mircea_popescu that's the biggest problem with it, it introduces a state. [06:27]
punkman does it? [06:28]
punkman hmm [06:28]
mircea_popescu you can't allow it to reduce block size, because the noise will make the system unbound and it'll collapse. [06:28]
mircea_popescu but to not allow it to reduce, you must keep state. [06:28]
mircea_popescu which is horribru. [06:29]
mircea_popescu but it horribru or not horribru - a) we are currently keeping state, just, as a constant and b) there is no way to make pie-in-the-sky arbitrary values work. [06:29]
mircea_popescu be they 8mb or 17.7 or /dev/rand or anything else. [06:30]
punkman 1mb has wroked splendidly so far [06:32]
mircea_popescu no argument. [06:32]
Adlai a constant is a lot less state that max(constant * average, variable) [06:32]
mircea_popescu no argument #2. [06:32]
punkman maybe just go to 2mb at some point? [06:33]
mircea_popescu but, if a solution to this problem, admitting it is a problem, and admitting a solution can be had, is to be had, [06:33]
punkman whole lot simpler [06:33]
mircea_popescu it'd have to look a lot more like the above than like anything i've seen, [06:33]
Adlai punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/173/commits [06:33]
mircea_popescu including sipa's idea. [06:33]
assbot BIP 102: Increase block size limit to 2MB by jgarzik · Pull Request #173 · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLH1SS ) [06:33]
mircea_popescu punkman you'll never get consensus behind "random number". [06:33]
mircea_popescu not until you become the saint of numbers anyway. [06:33]
punkman 2mb is how I always imagined an increase, but yeah I guess that unworkability is becoming apparent these days [06:34]
mircea_popescu i imagined the us electoral system will work. [06:34]
punkman could just have blocksize next to diff target in block header I suppose [06:35]
mircea_popescu would kinda have to. [06:35]
mircea_popescu irrespective of what "the very talented" "core developers" think, this will not be a simple or easy change. it will require a lot of touching, [06:36]
mircea_popescu and pretending otherwise is just that, pretending. [06:36]
mircea_popescu but anyway, yes, if we're to keep state the only sane way is to put it in the block headers. [06:37]
mircea_popescu (why the blocks were designed to not contain a summary bytecount of their own variable content i nthe first place is yet another example of the "satoshi was not much of a designer" thing) [06:38]
mircea_popescu who the fuck looks at a list and goes "a it's ok, don't need header referencing the size, why would you." [06:38]
punkman why have a bytecount in the block? [06:38]
punkman you just count the bytes [06:38]
mircea_popescu o.o [06:38]
mircea_popescu and when you allocate memory, same ? you just count the bytes you used ? AFTER YOU DID ? [06:39]
Adlai why have difficulty in the headers? you just count the hashes [06:39]
mircea_popescu ikr ? [06:39]
punkman lemme explain, if we have the size of each block included in headers, that's not the state we need [06:39]
mircea_popescu only sane way to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello, this is a struct, will take no more than x of your space kthx" [06:39]
mircea_popescu the MAXIMAL size. [06:40]
mircea_popescu what you plan to allocate. [06:40]
mircea_popescu a noob saved a word ("who would need 1000000 repeated each block!!!") and in the process made the design much dumber. [06:40]
punkman oh ok then, I read it wrong [06:41]
mircea_popescu but anyway - the fucking magic number should have been in block headers not in a c file. [06:41]
mircea_popescu and back in the day you'd get flunked in undergrad sys design for shit like this. [06:41]
Adlai ahem. c++ [06:41]
mircea_popescu same difference, here. [06:41]
* Adlai searches memory/google for that altcoin that commits to its own source code [06:42]
punkman lolwut [06:42]
mircea_popescu provably wrong ? [06:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, if anyone got a github account, leave a link to this convo on there, curious if sipa/anyone groks wtf's going on. [06:44]
mircea_popescu of course this would also trash the fixed size blocks-powered bitcoinfs [06:45]
mircea_popescu which unequivocally sucks. [06:46]
cazalla "He had recently landed a job as a bitcoin ATM attendant in the Waves Coffee House at Smithe and Howe streets and he saw a bright future in the currency. He wanted to create a shared space for the bitcoin community. But having to worry about whether he had a home to come back to at the end of every workday was starting to interfere with his business plans." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/vancouvers-housing-costs-no-pro [06:46]
cazalla blem-for-entrepreneur-living-in-a-van/article25982115/ [06:46]
assbot 404 - Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLIF6V ) [06:46]
mircea_popescu bumcoin. [06:46]
Adlai !s tezos [06:47]
assbot 0 results for 'tezos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tezos [06:47]
Adlai http://tezos.com/ [06:47]
cazalla pretty much, but what is the attraction to creating an embassy, shared space, etc etc? [06:47]
assbot Tezos, a self-amending crypto-ledger ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLIM2n ) [06:47]
punkman cazalla: what you don't like our shared space here? [06:48]
cazalla punkman, i imagine they only discuss bitcoin as the embassy whereas here, it is a little different.. gentleman's club as one article states [06:49]
Adlai http://tezos.com/text/language.txt somebody has been working so hard that he missed the memo on steak [06:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLJeO7 ) [06:50]
cazalla damn, the shit is everywhere this evening.. http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/technology/internet/africa-s-first-bitcoin-academy-1.1901006 [06:50]
assbot Africa’s first Bitcoin academy - IOL SciTech ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLJfl9 ) [06:50]
cazalla ;;later tell fluffypony ^^ might be worth checking out, eh? :P [06:51]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:51]
cazalla this is the chick running the academy https://cryptortrust.com/about/advisory-boards/advisory-board-africa/sonya-kuhnel/ [06:52]
assbot Sonya Kuhnel | Cryptor Trust Inc. ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLJrkm ) [06:52]
fluffypony omf [06:52]
fluffypony Sonya can go die in a fire [06:52]
fluffypony she's the one that banned me from attending future Bitcoin Africa conferences [06:52]
fluffypony because I was "disrespectful" to her [06:52]
cazalla what'd ya do fluffypony? [06:53]
fluffypony I ridiculed one of the presenters because he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine generals problem [06:53]
fluffypony ridiculed him on Twitter I mean [06:53]
fluffypony so she came up to me in the middle of the conference, during someone's talk [06:54]
fluffypony and asked me if I was @fluffyponyza, which I said I wa [06:54]
fluffypony *was [06:54]
fluffypony and then she's like "you've been Tweeting out some mean things about Gareth" [06:54]
punkman link? [06:54]
fluffypony so I go "who?", because I'd been tweeting out mean things about a lot of idiots that were presenting [06:54]
fluffypony so then she says "well I think you shouldn't tweet that" [06:55]
Adlai blocks and hacks may break our backs but words should never hurt us [06:55]
fluffypony so I go "well then he can man up and come and talk to me himself, else he must fuck off" [06:55]
fluffypony so then she goes "well I'm just the messenger" [06:55]
fluffypony so I go "well then you can fuck off too" [06:55]
fluffypony then they tweeted a few hours later about how I wasn't welcome at future Bitcoin Africa conferences because I was disrespectful [06:56]
fluffypony punkman: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/589002037528002560 [06:57]
fluffypony and https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/589002159368310784 [06:57]
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fluffypony I was WAY meaner to Brock Pierce: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/589046879054336000 [06:58]
punkman lel, such mean [06:58]
fluffypony I know right [06:58]
fluffypony SO DISRESPECTFOOL [06:58]
mircea_popescu "Sonya is an entrepreneur and founder of Bitcoin Payments." [07:00]
mircea_popescu mmkay. [07:00]
Naphex heh [07:00]
mircea_popescu lol you don't toy with your food enough fluffypony [07:01]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: well I wanted to hear the speaker so I could mock him on Twitter as well, so I didn't have time for a protracted conversation with the stupid cow [07:01]
mircea_popescu so tell her "listen, i want to hear the speaker to i can mock him as well." [07:02]
mircea_popescu much better than "fuck off" [07:02]
fluffypony hah hah [07:02]
mircea_popescu you know ? [07:02]
mircea_popescu let em squirm. [07:02]
mircea_popescu "Sonya is also Founder and Director of two Hats a design and development company that specializes in corporate branding, print design, web design, web development, mobile/responsive web development, e-commerce services, business analysis, search engine optimization, social media, Google Analytics, Google Ads and E-Marketing." [07:03]
mircea_popescu and tooth whitening. [07:04]
mircea_popescu "specializes" seems to have lost a meaning sometime in 2004. [07:04]
fluffypony lol [07:04]
mircea_popescu and it could never be found again. [07:05]
fluffypony "Riccardo is the founder and director of fluffypony inc., a company that specialises in *.* " [07:05]
fluffypony soon (tm) [07:05]
mircea_popescu nah, riccardo is a suspicious guy sending paypal donations in clear violation of maritime law. [07:06]
mircea_popescu i know him. [07:06]
fluffypony hah hah [07:06]
fluffypony yes exactly [07:06]
fluffypony dodgy PayPal donations from darkest Africa [07:07]
fluffypony http://blockchainacademy.co.za/#pricing [07:07]
assbot The Bitcoin Academy | Bitcoin and Blockchain Training in South Africa ... ( http://bit.ly/1TLLm8H ) [07:07]
mircea_popescu ahahaha wut [07:07]
mircea_popescu they also want moneyz ? where is it, in nigeria ? [07:07]
fluffypony so ~$230 for a "full day course" [07:07]
mircea_popescu "sonya has a urgent business propozal for you!" [07:07]
fluffypony "catering included" [07:08]
mircea_popescu ;;google pizza poundcake [07:08]
gribble Seinfeld Scripts - The Muffin Tops: ; Pizza PoundCake on Pinterest: ; Seinfeld - J. Peterman reality bus tour - YouTube: [07:08]
fluffypony it's like a bunch of retards sat around a table and said "we missed out on buying Bitcoin at $0.50, so how do we make money from it now?" [07:08]
fluffypony I bet they launch an altcoin next [07:09]
mircea_popescu "specialize in it!" [07:09]
mircea_popescu lol. it is kinda the retard path. prolly come up with some fixes first tho. [07:09]
fluffypony what do you teach in a Bitcoin "developer" course anyway [07:11]
fluffypony how to hit the JSON RPC API? [07:12]
mircea_popescu BeSt PrAcTiCeS [07:12]
fluffypony hah hah [07:13]
mircea_popescu you know i have trouble picturing you telling some random woman to fuck off ? [07:14]
fluffypony I know, it was a little out of character, but I was extremely pissed off that the guy didn't have the balls to come talk to me himself [07:15]
fluffypony and instead some random comes to do it, like she's his mother [07:15]
mircea_popescu should have bought her a drink. [07:18]
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shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-08-2015#1240225 <<< I think so too now, I usually only use default mem value on new machine :/ [08:11]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 02:26:52; trinque: shinohai: you might want to run memtest86 or something; you might have derped ram [08:11]
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shinohai http://cointelegraph.com/news/115134/windows-10-a-serious-threat-to-bitcoin-privacy << [08:24]
assbot Windows 10 – A Serious Threat To Bitcoin Privacy ... ( http://bit.ly/1K1EoLL ) [08:24]
mircea_popescu lol bitcoin on win10 should be the lulz of all time [08:34]
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shinohai Bitcoin on any windows is kind of lulzy to me. [08:40]
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shinohai http://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/playing-tetris-can-help-reduce-craving-for-drugs-food-and-sex-study-728802 <<< I have yet to tell a woman that messaged me for a booty call "Sorry not tonite, I'm playing Tetris." [10:02]
assbot Playing Tetris Can Help Reduce Craving for Drugs, Food, and Sex: Study | NDTV Gadgets ... ( http://bit.ly/1hHF65R ) [10:02]
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jurov shinohai: "craving" happens usually when nobody calls :) [10:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.000755 = 32.9935 BTC [-] [10:29]
shinohai lol [10:41]
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thestringpuller interesting. a botnet of bitcoin nodes... [11:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56200 @ 0.00074712 = 41.9881 BTC [-] {2} [11:10]
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shinohai ;;ticker [11:39]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 258.81, Best ask: 258.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 258.51, 24 hour volume: 12078.23603986, 24 hour low: 257.4, 24 hour high: 262.37, 24 hour vwap: None [11:39]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00073682 = 37.7252 BTC [-] {4} [11:52]
thestringpuller fluffypony: Gareth, the old bitinstant CTO [11:58]
thestringpuller ?* [11:58]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [12:07]
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fluffypony thestringpuller: no [12:07]
fluffypony oh wow I actually found the speech [12:08]
fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9o88m8gS4 [12:08]
assbot Gareth Grobler - New entrants and disruptors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1E0fLOq ) [12:08]
fluffypony the slide is hard to see in its glory, pity [12:08]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240358 << ada [12:08]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 09:38:33; mircea_popescu: only sane way to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello, this is a struct, will take no more than x of your space kthx" [12:08]
ascii_field ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240336 << i'm curious re: why this should ever be necessary; and why one ought to even consider opening this portcullis until long after the siege is lifted and the last gavinist is hanged [12:10]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:10]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 09:31:55; mircea_popescu: it'd have to look a lot more like the above than like anything i've seen, [12:10]
ascii_field why the fuck NOT 1MB forever? [12:11]
ascii_field speed of light will not increase just because ten trillion schmucks think they would like it to; [12:11]
ascii_field nor will the permeativity constant change; [12:12]
punkman there were a couple threads discussing the increase in regards to fees [12:14]
punkman it might be that miners won't get enough fees in 1MB blocks [12:15]
ascii_field again the socialist garbage [12:15]
ascii_field they get 'not enough' - they ~die~ and are replaced by folks who don't need as much. [12:16]
ascii_field and again, again. [12:16]
ascii_field ad infinitum. [12:16]
ascii_field but noooo, the maggots want ~me~ - the relay operators - to pay [12:16]
punkman so you die and someone else relays? [12:17]
ascii_field nah i can die so usg becomes sole relayer. [12:17]
ascii_field kinda the plan, i think [12:18]
ascii_field notice that mining scales down ad infinitum - bitcoin worked fine when mining consisted of spare cpu cycles [12:18]
ascii_field whereas relaying does not. [12:18]
jurov they can switch to litecoin, monero, etc. [12:19]
punkman it worked then with spare cpu cycles, I don't think you can have that again [12:19]
ascii_field punkman: not literally. but can easily have bitcoin and 99.999% of extant miners starving [12:20]
ascii_field and their equipment repurchased for pennies on the dollar by new folks. [12:20]
ascii_field but imho, even having this conversation at all is a kind of surrender to usg [12:21]
ascii_field the only reason why the block size 'conversation' is even happening at all is that they have 'taught the controversy' [12:21]
ascii_field !s teaching the controversy [12:21]
assbot 16 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=teaching+the+controversy [12:21]
punkman pretty sure we've been discussing this even before the controversy [12:22]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827667 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827668 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2014#827669 [12:22]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically [12:22]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.' [12:22]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:31; asciilifeform: (at least two! of which the artist controls at least 1...) [12:22]
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funkenstein_ in to say "Hegelian dialectic" [12:29]
punkman for interested readers, Pierre_Rochard's thread about the limit and fees, with Gavin as special guest: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986252 [12:30]
assbot Logged on 21-01-2015 18:23:26; Pierre_Rochard: my main disagreement is on the economics side, you say “ Limit the number of transactions that can happen on the Bitcoin blockchain, and instead of paying higher fees people will perform their transactions somewhere else.” [12:30]
thestringpuller ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world. [12:33]
thestringpuller also there is some d00d offering a 25 BTC bounty to the first miner to mine an XT block with the version header. [12:33]
thestringpuller only 749 blocks to bribe! [12:34]
punkman someone should definitely take the idiots 25btc [12:35]
kakobrekla just merge mine your derp coin and done. [12:36]
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thestringpuller !up ascii_field [12:39]
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shinohai https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/08/17/using-ambient-sound-as-a-two-factor-authentication-system/ [12:48]
assbot Using ambient sound as a two-factor authentication system | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1gQKrqX ) [12:48]
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shinohai Somehow that seems just as bad as real 2-factor auth [12:48]
jurov !s pr0n mic [12:51]
assbot 0 results for 'pr0n mic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pr0n+mic [12:51]
jurov !s hookers microphone [12:52]
assbot 4 results for 'hookers microphone' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hookers+microphone [12:52]
jurov ^ idea already considered by serenissima the almighty :DDD [12:53]
jurov but to 2FA.. you'd have to keep reusing the same hookers, i spose [12:55]
shinohai LOL nice [12:56]
shinohai There is nothing new under the sun, it has likely already been proposed in these hallowed forums. [12:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00072771 = 14.2631 BTC [-] {3} [12:59]
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thestringpuller i like to think of it more a great hall [13:13]
thestringpuller or a court [13:13]
shinohai It *is* a court for sure. I should like to see more trial by combat though. [13:14]
thestringpuller maybe when eulora has combat we'll see that [13:15]
shinohai :D [13:15]
shinohai I got to stop being lazy and find me a shitty old desktop so I can try eulora again. [13:16]
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mike_c virtualbox works too [13:55]
jurov mike_c: you actually run eu in it? [13:55]
mike_c I used to, yeah. before you did the thing with the binaries [13:55]
jurov and it's usable at all? [13:56]
mike_c yup, worked fine. no sound :) [13:56]
mike_c from what I remember the framerate wasn't awesome, but entirely usable. [13:56]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [14:00]
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ascii_field http://orwaysoftware.com << lulzy. one-stop shop for sp4mz0r [14:00]
assbot OrwaySoftware | Private Crypters | Buy Crypter | Advanced Crypter ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrLlla ) [14:00]
ascii_field 'Orway does not condone the use of malware.' << mega-l0l, they ~sell~ crapware and nothing else [14:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3016 @ 0.00075446 = 2.2755 BTC [+] {3} [14:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37342 @ 0.00076056 = 28.4008 BTC [+] {2} [14:04]
kakobrekla ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?kindergarten=true [14:07]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:07]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrMdq1 ) [14:07]
ascii_field kakobrekla: wai wat [14:08]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015&bots=true#1240240 < i added 'kindergarten' mode for him [14:09]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 04:06:21; ben_vulpes: http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-08-11.log.html#t15:08:27 << oh man kakobrekla can we get color coded b-a lawgz too? pretty please? [14:09]
ascii_field i see colour in both modes ? [14:09]
kakobrekla link ? [14:10]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?kindergarten=false [14:10]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mu14Vo ) [14:10]
kakobrekla forget the false [14:10]
kakobrekla just unset it [14:10]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ [14:11]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mu15Zn ) [14:11]
ascii_field works [14:11]
kakobrekla still a tad buggy tho imma fix [14:11]
kakobrekla ah its fine actually. [14:15]
kakobrekla anyway, since the switches are only binary i dont actually check for values cause its more work and im lazy [14:16]
kakobrekla hence a mention of var is sufficient [14:17]
kakobrekla to trigger the kindergarten (and other) modes. [14:17]
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assbot #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrNMV1 ) [14:24]
ascii_field http://alg.math.uni-augsburg.de/mitarbeiter/mhien << if you recall, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A627338D751C449EA54C0BA518ABCB2E215D939534F7D149C246EA9EA0D36279 >> is a professor of maths at u of augsburg specializing in number theory. extra lulzy [14:25]
assbot Prof. Dr. Marco Hien — Lehrstuhl für Algebra und Zahlentheorie ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrNOfy ) [14:25]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EpDYsu ) [14:25]
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mats http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/casualties-air-raids-syrian-market-150816122817738.html [14:33]
assbot Hundreds of casualties in air raids on Syrian market - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1KrOJN5 ) [14:33]
ben_vulpes lovely pastels thank you kak [14:40]
ben_vulpes kakobrekla: [14:40]
kakobrekla :) [14:43]
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danielpbarron https://medium.com/@wilbns/what-i-learned-from-a-two-year-irs-audit-6b02f8bb4f73 >> Consider keeping Dropbox folders on your computer that match up with everything so you can easily reference everything. This way, your most important documents are backed up and ready to share when needed. [15:03]
assbot What I Learned From a Two-Year IRS Audit — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1NofGX6 ) [15:03]
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jurov danielpbarron: ? [15:16]
jurov you will sooner explain to some people your faith than "why not dropbox" [15:18]
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chetty well nothing wrong with dropbox for most people, usg and any hacker that wants it already owns it [15:20]
jurov i did convert one dude to self-hosted seafile, but otherwise, meh. [15:20]
trinque rsync master race [15:21]
chetty the mystery is why the irs wants yu to provide documents it already has [15:21]
trinque chetty: I've long lamented that they don't just "file your taxes" for you [15:22]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [15:22]
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ascii_field chetty: no mystery [15:22]
ascii_field see also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-08-2015#1221552 [15:22]
jurov that's sop for every bureaucracy ever. [15:22]
assbot Logged on 01-08-2015 22:45:48; mircea_popescu: because the job where you ask questions you don't know the answer to is in science not in humanities. [15:22]
trinque but as ascii_field observed a while back, they do that so you have the opportunity to fuck up before them [15:22]
ascii_field ^. [15:22]
shinohai http://puu.sh/jEEyx/57a3e8dd5a.png [15:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NojaZO ) [15:22]
ascii_field 'and your exchange rate isn't determined until after confirmation happens' << mega-win [15:23]
thestringpuller trinque: says rsync as I'm installing it and conetmplating it for take unrelated to channel [15:23]
thestringpuller task* [15:24]
* chetty fondly recalls filing taxes on a postcard [15:24]
trinque I use cron-job rsync wherever other folks might use dropbox or the like [15:24]
thestringpuller isn't that all dropbox is [15:24]
trinque yep [15:24]
thestringpuller just with fancy gui [15:24]
jurov mostly. but rsync won't keep file history [15:25]
trinque yeah that's true [15:25]
jurov nor it allows for sharing with n00bs [15:25]
trinque meh [15:25]
trinque I just put files on an http in that case [15:25]
thestringpuller "file history" << then slap git ontop of it and call it day? [15:25]
trinque in which case you don't need rsync [15:25]
shinohai The XT constitution LOL >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/ [15:26]
assbot The Declaration of Bitcoin's Independence : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NojVSB ) [15:26]
ascii_field 'That we the people have final say on any and all matters that concern bitcoin the protocol and bitcoin the community.' << mega-l0l [15:26]
ascii_field !s beoble [15:26]
assbot 1 results for 'beoble' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beoble [15:26]
trinque "try and write a sort of constitution" [15:26]
shinohai xD [15:27]
shinohai This is rich. [15:27]
trinque I got your sort of constitution right here [15:27]
* trinque wipes his ass [15:27]
jurov maybe it's just buttcoiners trolling. but only maybe [15:27]
chetty * trinque wipes his ass// just like a real one [15:27]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240527 << lulzy rubbish. let's use ANYTHING but the things known to work! using those WOULD BE WRONG [15:29]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 15:47:07; assbot: Using ambient sound as a two-factor authentication system | Naked Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1gQKrqX ) [15:29]
shinohai This is the most entertaining Monday on reddit in some time. [15:29]
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punkman http://mattmahoney.net/dc/zpaq.html "Many intermediate versions include compression improvements. This does not break forward compatibility because the decompression code is stored in the archive. The code is written in a sandboxed, virtual machine language called ZPAQL." << reminded me of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 [15:33]
assbot ZPAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NokFXX ) [15:33]
assbot Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG9cuX ) [15:33]
ascii_field punkman: why go far? the ubiquitous 'RAR' does something quite like this [15:34]
ascii_field (iirc, turing-complete, even!) [15:34]
punkman oh it does? didn't know that [15:34]
ascii_field the vm part anyway [15:34]
ascii_field and like just about all interpreters written by muppets and esp. for shitblowz - at least one known exploit. [15:35]
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danielpbarron jurov, that thing i linked about taxes and dropbox is by someone in here: wilbns [15:38]
punkman well this doesn't inspire confidence http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2015/q1/558 [15:38]
assbot oss-sec: Possible vulnerability fixed in ZPAQ v7.02 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoleRz ) [15:38]
danielpbarron the whole piece reads to me like "this is how to be good obiedient tax cattle" [15:38]
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ascii_field danielpbarron: what did you expect it to be? a magical recipe for escaping the cattle corral ? [15:39]
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nubbins` https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/cu65bfi [15:44]
assbot nugyar comments on The Declaration of Bitcoin's Independence ... ( http://bit.ly/1NomgwX ) [15:44]
nubbins` just saying [15:44]
nubbins` wonder who made the header logo, hearn? [15:45]
ascii_field prolly a summer intern at noblis [15:46]
nubbins` it looks like they literally copied the /r/bitcoin header, magic-wand-selected the background, paint-bucketed it blue, tacked on "xt" and saved it as a jpeg [15:46]
punkman "That the community communication channels, the repositories, and any other likewise bitcoin assets, are public property and owned by the community as a whole, not any one single individual nor a very small group of people. All steps must be taken to allow full access to every individual to these assets and to reduce fully or to the absolute minimum any and all barriers to any and all access of these assets. " heh [15:46]
nubbins` oh, no, sorry. i apologize. [15:47]
ascii_field commit rights for all! [15:47]
nubbins` it's a PNG with a non-transparent background. [15:47]
ascii_field mega-pr0gr3ss [15:47]
nubbins` mis lados [15:47]
punkman kakobrekla: plz to remove assbot, the people have spoken [15:47]
nubbins` Мои стороны! [15:47]
nubbins` "we need to make this new subreddit STAT. we literally do not have 3 minutes to make a new header. take the old one and ph0t05h0p it" [15:48]
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nubbins` if you didn't already realize xt was DOA [15:49]
nubbins` that header clinches it [15:49]
nubbins` this is akin to the declaration of independence being written in 18pt comic sans [15:49]
nubbins` complete with wrapping [15:50]
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nubbins` ahhh, the lulz. [15:52]
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nubbins` btc <-> xtc forex should open some interesting opportunities [15:54]
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nubbins` [16:24:31] bounce: the idea is you'd create a 10mb transaction sending out xtc to your buyers, in return they push small tx sending you same amount in btc [15:59]
nubbins` ^ any troo beeleevers wanna take me up on it? [15:59]
nubbins` fair trade if xtc is the future. [15:59]
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jurov nubbins`: i think the derps will try to spam btc to make people switch to xtc, [16:18]
jurov thus mightily enabling the trade [16:18]
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shinohai Careful, they might spend all the 0.05 BTC they hold per person. [16:18]
ascii_field learn to love the spam. how else is the paid relay thing supposed to happen. [16:19]
mircea_popescu hola [16:21]
mircea_popescu ascii_field as to the later, no reason. as to the former, no idea. i suffer from the disease of all cerebral beings, of enjoying the consideration of abstract problems in no direct relation to their practical utility. [16:22]
ascii_field then aha. [16:23]
ascii_field next we do the alcubierre stardrive ! [16:23]
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williamdunne jurov: They've been doing so for a while [16:24]
jurov not atm [16:25]
williamdunne What we need is an exchange that will enable margin trading of btc/gbtc [16:25]
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williamdunne Sorry, I meant they've been doing it previously [16:25]
mircea_popescu incidentally ascii_field mod6 kakobrekla jurov & mike_c do let me know if you'd like me to publish http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240297 on trilema as "b-a's notion of a block increasing hardfork". [16:25]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 09:12:53; mircea_popescu: a function that, after each retarget, allows blocks as large as say 1.01x the average actual size of the blocks in the 2k batch for instance. [16:25]
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mircea_popescu that wordpress for bitcoin "businesses". [16:27]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: imho the algo as written here is disastrously bad [16:27]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: enemy can ratchet block mass without continuously spending [16:27]
ascii_field so it is an 'amplification' situation [16:27]
mircea_popescu my position being very much like ascii_field's : not clear this is needed and dubious it's a good idea before the two get hanged. but op may disagree ? i dunno. [16:27]
mircea_popescu ascii_field how ? [16:27]
ascii_field because ratchets up [16:27]
mircea_popescu but you understand HOW it ratches up yes ? [16:28]
ascii_field aha [16:28]
mircea_popescu if "enemy" holds a significant portion of the last 1% of blocks mined, how is he the enemy. [16:28]
ascii_field but the fact of the ratcheting means that $largeint (which enemy can print) can be used to shoot the storage difficulty (let's call block size this!) to the sky [16:28]
ascii_field where it will stay [16:28]
williamdunne ;;later tell pete_dushenski would you mind telling me which posts? Sorry I've not been keeping on top of scoop so much. Tryna find someone who can put up some money to get my time-sink launched [16:28]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:28]
ascii_field same problem as a hypothetical monotonically growing mining difficulty. [16:28]
mircea_popescu no it can't. every 10kb costs 2096*25 btc atm [16:28]
ascii_field which we discussed here. [16:28]
mircea_popescu 50k btc. [16:29]
ascii_field aha but he only has to fill the blocks to the brim for a finite timespan, to result in forever heavier max size [16:29]
ascii_field which COSTS me even if not filled [16:29]
ascii_field because now i can't use 1MB antifuse roms, etc. [16:29]
mircea_popescu well, it only costs you if not filled onlyt if tyou biutcoinfs [16:29]
mircea_popescu otherwise it costs you like the first blk0001 cost you 500gb [16:29]
jurov i had an idea based on fees/volume (increase only when that ratio gets outrageous) but first waiting to see what actually happens [16:29]
ascii_field but overall i just don't see this future where mega-blocks are a necessary thing [16:30]
ascii_field all the world's bullion transfers, if written out as a log, would they even fill 1MB in a year? [16:30]
mircea_popescu it IS technically possible we still see technological progress. [16:30]
ascii_field much less 10min [16:30]
mircea_popescu yes, actually, they would. [16:30]
mircea_popescu do you imagine this bullion thing as it "Should be" or do you have direct experience ? [16:31]
* ascii_field not qualified to answer! [16:31]
ascii_field hence asked others. [16:31]
mircea_popescu because one hour i spent in the ro vault, which is a tiny affair, saw three transfers underway. [16:31]
ascii_field can we 'fermi method' ? [16:32]
mircea_popescu i would guess there's to the tune of 1mn interbank PM physical transfers a year worldwide. i don't think i'm qualified to answer either, but i will swear to your benefit the real figuree's closer to 1mn than 1k no prob. [16:32]
ascii_field how many such vaults on planet 3? how many unique users? how often transact? [16:32]
mircea_popescu > 1k vaults and > 100 users. [16:32]
ascii_field hence user id ('address') is less than 7 bits ! [16:33]
mircea_popescu sometimes they sell and sometimes they buy on mkt tho. with delivery. [16:33]
ascii_field qty (grams) - perhaps 32 [16:33]
mircea_popescu nah, qty is eight or so types of standard bars. [16:33]
mircea_popescu nobody weighs. [16:33]
ascii_field then 3 bit. [16:34]
mircea_popescu no, 8 * word. [16:34]
ascii_field ah if tx is arbitrary knapsacking of n bar types, then yes [16:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83100 @ 0.00073262 = 60.8807 BTC [-] [16:34]
mircea_popescu the paperwork has to be, anyway. [16:34]
williamdunne 0.0007 wao [16:35]
ascii_field and of course i was thinking only of transactions where physical motion of bars takes place [16:35]
ascii_field (settlement) [16:35]
mircea_popescu right. [16:35]
mircea_popescu it's not called settlement, it's called delivery. settlement is sitting down and agreeing the paperwork. [16:35]
* ascii_field thought it was called 'settlement' when two hawaladars or equiv. zero out their tally by finally moving the gold (plutonium, etc) [16:36]
mircea_popescu irl, settlement's a paperwoirk affair and actual delivery is much disconsidered. as a token of the fact that everyone involved would muchly want reality to match their representation to the degree of absolute identity. so they desconsider the later. [16:37]
mircea_popescu delivery and washing dishes are in about the same esteem. [16:37]
ascii_field mega-unsurprise [16:37]
mircea_popescu "stupid things stupid people tend to be preoccupied with". [16:38]
mircea_popescu "they're not smart, like us, to let their cognitive wings spread free in the intergalactic voids of abstraction" [16:38]
mircea_popescu racist shit like that. [16:38]
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ascii_field until deliverocalypse like stalin's 'spain will see the gold like it will see own ears without mirror' or usg's equiv. for de, etc. [16:38]
mircea_popescu iirc that was ro's gold. whence did spain even have an ygold. [16:39]
ascii_field republic [16:39]
mircea_popescu yea... ? [16:39]
ascii_field !s moscow gold [16:39]
assbot 0 results for 'moscow gold' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=moscow+gold [16:39]
ascii_field ;;google moscow gold [16:39]
gribble Moscow gold - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Stalin and the Spanish Civil War - Gutenberg-e Home: ; The story of the Moscow gold: How the Spanish war was lost: [16:39]
mircea_popescu o ic. [16:39]
mircea_popescu interesting. [16:39]
mircea_popescu no wonder the regime lived ok for a while lol. [16:40]
ascii_field http://www.forbes.com/sites/briandomitrovic/2011/05/09/there-be-moscow-gold << american piece re: same [16:40]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MuaIaz ) [16:40]
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mircea_popescu how much was this supposed to be ? [16:40]
ascii_field 'Stalin had his eye on the Spanish gold because Spain had a mother lode of it. This was owing to the fact that twenty years prior, Spain had been neutral in World War I. During that war, Spain exported so much to the belligerents, without being able to buy in return, that it stacked up foreign exchange and turned it in for gold. The same thing had happened across the neutral nations, from Argentina to Holland to the [16:40]
ascii_field United States.' [16:40]
mircea_popescu aha. the argentines well squandered it meanwhile. [16:40]
mircea_popescu that explains it anyway, spain's got no gold in the ground. [16:40]
mircea_popescu but to get back to the ratchet thing : it is both impossible and a very stupid idea to have freefixing for bitcoin block size. because the network is trivial to disrupt when it comes to mining difficulty (by design and deliberately), it will guaranteedly be moved down to 0 over time and the defense's necessarily too expensive. [16:43]
mircea_popescu having a freefloating system is in fact breaking a fundamental design promise bitcoin made when it introduced mining, [16:43]
mircea_popescu and is the exact equivalent of shitting in the plate. [16:43]
ascii_field freefixing ? [16:43]
mircea_popescu so a ratchet is necessarily, and indisputably, and by unfixable design the only way to do that. [16:44]
mircea_popescu as in, goes up or down. [16:44]
mircea_popescu this given, the design proposed is a) expensive to abuse and b) self-limiting, in that the larger you make the blocks, the more you have to fill. [16:44]
mircea_popescu and by fill we mean a very strict "fill". [16:45]
ascii_field what the hell is wrong with 1MB-until-heat-death-of-universe ? [16:46]
ascii_field not like you could maintain a single blockchain over astronomical distances, either [16:46]
mircea_popescu we're not discussing that point, i already conceded i have nfi. [16:47]
ascii_field l0l [16:47]
ascii_field but it brings interesting gedankenexperiment: picture the usual mars colony [16:47]
mircea_popescu yes each planet must have its own local bitcoin necessarily. [16:47]
mircea_popescu because of c. [16:47]
mircea_popescu and yes it makes the future worth seeing now. /me hopes to oneday trade marscoin for venuscoin. [16:48]
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mircea_popescu !up [16:49]
-assbot- Need a nickname, mircea_popescu. [16:49]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#124048 << the best argument i can come up with, after some searching, is "we will need to find a real value. we have a current value, which works, but about which we know for a fact is not too large. therefore, it might be the case it's too small." [16:50]
assbot Logged on 04-07-2013 12:53:47; assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ASICM] 2 @ 0.04643 = 0.0929 BTC [-] [16:50]
mircea_popescu this is a purely theoretical notion. [16:50]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240685 < again down to some arbitrary number ? [16:53]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 19:24:23; mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field mod6 kakobrekla jurov & mike_c do let me know if you'd like me to publish http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240297 on trilema as "b-a's notion of a block increasing hardfork". [16:53]
ascii_field kakobrekla: see thread. it was a monotonic-grow ratchet thing [16:54]
mircea_popescu the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more. [16:55]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: the reason i consider ratcheting (and, ergo, growing at all) blocks to be a situation of 'enemy can deal more damage than he has to pay for' is that even if people pay per kB, ~actual machines are pots of finite depth~ [16:56]
ascii_field which means, he can spend $fixint and now ~no pogo is guaranteed to work~ [16:56]
mircea_popescu i can certainly see the argument in this structural sense. [16:56]
mircea_popescu just... whence will they scare up enough txn to keep filling up thousdands of large blocks ? [16:56]
kakobrekla so the load Atlas has to carry will be determined by miners instead of code. [16:56]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla no, by code evaluating the mining. [16:57]
mircea_popescu ascii_field let us calculate the actual case of the pogo, shall we ? as an exercise, mostl;y for my own edification. [16:57]
ascii_field aha? [16:57]
kakobrekla yes i understand this is a play on diff algo. [16:57]
mircea_popescu let's start with some assumptions : that as is, pogos can survive for 2 years before they fill. that if blocks were to be made 2mb, they'd survive 1 year instead. [16:58]
mircea_popescu whoops... takes more than two years to make it 2mb anyway. problem solved. [16:58]
mircea_popescu what else ? [16:58]
ascii_field not how it works [16:58]
ascii_field it is already close to the edge of keeps-up-in-realtime [16:58]
ascii_field contains 1 cpu core [16:58]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla in that sense iot's a step above the "magic number" stuff. not much, admittedly. [16:58]
ascii_field so no parallelization (which we don't even have yet) helps [16:58]
mircea_popescu ascii_field looky : blocks would only stay full if needed full. so our pogo is a piece of shit in that case, you can't expect them to accomodate us. [16:59]
mircea_popescu you know ? [16:59]
ascii_field nah but they don't need to stay full [16:59]
mircea_popescu how so ? [16:59]
ascii_field because the anus stretches, so to speak [16:59]
mircea_popescu the max anus stretches. [17:00]
mircea_popescu if you end up with 2k actually full bloicks and the state is now 1010000 bytes, you still can have blocks 50kb [17:00]
ascii_field if it becomes possible to have blocks that selectively disable, e.g., pogo, enemy has a useful new capability. [17:00]
mircea_popescu and your pogo will catch up. [17:00]
mircea_popescu well if, but i don't see it so far. build a scenario. [17:00]
ascii_field but they fall behind ~en masse~ [17:00]
ascii_field which is exploitable [17:00]
mircea_popescu ... [17:01]
mircea_popescu looky, a fixed cpu situation will always yield this problem [17:01]
mircea_popescu this, we signed up for when we decided "buried box". [17:01]
ascii_field not if the capacity exceeds any legal block's weight. [17:01]
ascii_field hence why buried box is a-ok today. [17:01]
mircea_popescu williamdunne here plox. [17:01]
williamdunne mmk [17:01]
williamdunne Do you have any advice you would be willing to share on raising small amounts of money for bitcoin projects, that doesn't come from VCs? [17:01]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i suppose it doesn't JUST pose problems for bitcoinfs. [17:02]
jurov williamdunne: advertise them here? [17:02]
ascii_field aha [17:02]
mircea_popescu williamdunne write something about puppies make a post on social media with links to your "campaign" ? offer things on bitcointalk ? convince me to list on mpex ? i dunno dood, you're too vague to be helped yet. [17:02]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: step 1) create small side project that takes user funds, step 2) advertise on bitcointalk, step 3) steal monies for actual project? [17:03]
mircea_popescu ascii_field still, i tell you i don't see it. if the bitcoin userbase legitimately makes > 1mb of txn every 10 minutes, and if the miners are willing to indulge them and mine to the degree the ratchet kicks in, seems at best disingenuous to say "you can't do that because pogos". [17:04]
mircea_popescu the whole pogo thing was a few k's. this thing is k's of btc [17:04]
ascii_field it is but one example. [17:04]
mircea_popescu williamdunne uh. mno ? what IS the project, that's where it starts. [17:04]
trinque williamdunne: write it up, and rewrite for a damned long time.. or if it's code prototype it so you aren't just selling handjobs and smiles [17:05]
jurov williamdunne: you remember indiancandy? "but i want money!!!!" [17:05]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: basic problem is that the beneficiaries of bigger-block are not paying for the cost of cannot-have-buried-node [17:05]
mircea_popescu generally it's "the proof i am smart enough to have small projects is i nthe pudding of how i have enough money laying around to invest in them". it's how people get redecoration done and their hobbies financed. [17:05]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: hence it is fundamentally a socialistatron [17:05]
mircea_popescu ascii_field of course they are ? they're after all teh bitcoin users. [17:05]
nubbins` pogoplug node operators 2 years from now: http://i.imgur.com/qc9Tok1.jpg [17:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1MudBbn ) [17:06]
williamdunne An exchange, as per previous mentions. Unfortunately though it will have KYC so mabbeh less interesting for people on #b-a, ofc that's for ya'll to decide [17:06]
williamdunne jurov: Did she ever return [17:06]
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mircea_popescu williamdunne so call up nsa, tell them "hey, i'm another derpy kid trying to suck of your tit, send me 10k ?" [17:06]
ascii_field williamdunne: if i want to send money to usg, i can send it straight to usg [17:06]
mircea_popescu they'll refuse, and in that you'll know what the demand for more kyc bitcoin "Exchanges" is. [17:06]
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mircea_popescu they're currently at a loss keeping all the ones they already have fed. [17:07]
jurov ;;seen indiancandy [17:07]
gribble indiancandy was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 6 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: find nickserver [17:07]
nubbins` heh. [17:07]
nubbins` who's this nick guy anyway. [17:07]
trinque ;;seen indiancandy1 [17:07]
gribble indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 5 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: erm [17:07]
trinque chick can't keep it together [17:07]
trinque ;;seen indiancandy2 [17:08]
gribble I have not seen indiancandy2. [17:08]
trinque lol [17:08]
mircea_popescu nubbins` http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/#comment-115061 [17:08]
assbot The news, in brief : "Hearn is a shitstain, MP is right, fuck reddit. Love, Satoshi" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eyf7mo ) [17:08]
jurov williamdunne: where you got the idea another KYC exchange will make any profit? [17:08]
nubbins` <3 [17:08]
williamdunne jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC [17:09]
jurov such as? [17:09]
punkman and why work on it before you have your own funding or someone else's [17:09]
mircea_popescu women also miss tits on their shoulderblades. it impedes proper tango, but it might have good reasons behind it. [17:09]
mircea_popescu punkman he's young, gotta work or something or go nuts. [17:09]
jurov punkman: that's actually the only way [17:09]
trinque if it's software wtf do you need funding for? [17:10]
trinque office chairs and lattes? [17:10]
mircea_popescu an exchange is software now ? [17:10]
jurov lol let him talk about the missing tits [17:10]
williamdunne punkman: Had funding, one of the other companies they invested in when tits up and so they decided to withdraw support from all financial services companies they invested in. 10/10. My fault for not securing a deal where that wouldn't happen [17:10]
mircea_popescu nah, i'm sure that's valuable ip. [17:11]
trinque mircea_popescu: figured he could write his trade engine thing and then demo that, but sure, it's probably the smallest part [17:11]
mircea_popescu williamdunne don't be too hard on self. it's unlikley they'd have signed for actual deal. [17:11]
trinque but if he doesn't have the money to provide for the financial aspects, kinda leads to "why bother" [17:11]
mircea_popescu trinque there's tons of people who coudl demo a trade engine. including a bunch of people actually in the business, providing all the fx doods etc. [17:11]
mircea_popescu heck, someone came to 1st conference to demo an engine. [17:12]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: We'd already spent a bunch of their money. It's left them with no equity so slightly stranger [17:12]
williamdunne trinque: Engine isn't too complicated, that'd be pointless [17:12]
mircea_popescu williamdunne 80% of deals work out exactly like that irl. [17:12]
mircea_popescu you get some backup, they die out, end up with some money invested in you written off. [17:12]
mircea_popescu (if you're an engineer trying to solve an engineering problem of some kind, i mean) [17:13]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240864 << ~= >> 'there is an existing market that is missing a few areas, such as anal-rape-with-hedgehog, even within the section that is willing to undergo anal-rape-with-cactus' [17:13]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 20:07:29; williamdunne: jurov: There is an existing market that is missing a few areas, even within the section that is willing to undergo KYC [17:13]
williamdunne Well at least I'm not in a lonely club. [17:13]
williamdunne ascii_field: Why would you assume that the difference is in the KYC methods used? [17:13]
mircea_popescu he has an inflammatory reaction to particular three letter strings. [17:14]
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trinque williamdunne: my point was simply that "I could X as long as I find a rich guy that wants to help" isn't much of a strategy, much less so if you can't demonstrate upon meeting said rich guy that you can execute [17:14]
mircea_popescu !up relaxedman [17:14]
-assbot- You voiced relaxedman for 30 minutes. [17:14]
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jurov the rape can be KYC-unrelated [17:14]
punkman williamdunne: well tell us what it is then [17:14]
mike_c mircea_popescu: the entirety of this is "if people actually really really want to see it growing", no more. << interesting idea, but unless *we* want to see it grow I don't see point of writing it up yet. [17:14]
mircea_popescu yeah [17:14]
williamdunne punkman: Primarily targeting margin in non-USD, and larger bucket of currencies to trade in [17:15]
mircea_popescu oh come the fuck on. [17:15]
mircea_popescu "i have an idea for a us tv network - primarily targetting spanish daytime soaps and more languages programming". [17:16]
ascii_field mike_c: i very much see the ratcheting increase as an 'enemy-can-spend-fixing to cost-me-fixint-multipled-by-forever' [17:16]
ascii_field *spend-fixint [17:16]
mircea_popescu the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo. [17:16]
ascii_field being-able-to-accept-bigger-block COSTS ME [17:16]
mircea_popescu ascii_field you understand this is exactly life ? [17:16]
ascii_field ? [17:16]
mircea_popescu like, your gf can suck your cock to stick you with her offspring * forever ? [17:16]
ascii_field and we want to reimplement this ? [17:16]
mircea_popescu it was very fucking successful irl. [17:17]
trinque life's doing pretty well, on balance [17:17]
trinque lol [17:17]
mircea_popescu more successful than the pyramids. [17:17]
relaxedman Still trying to get this gentoo install going(openbsd wouldn't support my gfx card no money to buy a new one) its n6, varia, but stuck on getting a window manager all the guides want me to change profiles. also not sure how wayland fits in any ideas? [17:17]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Eh, while you might think that a fair number of the people I spoke to disagreed. [17:17]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: if objective is 'make a river of meat' then sure. if trying to accomplish something more interesting? not so much [17:18]
mircea_popescu williamdunne any of them senior regulators / senior officials / anything other than people you met at a conference that hadn't got there on a first class ticket they bought and with two personal cocksuckers and a chef ? [17:18]
nubbins` relaxedman a window what? [17:18]
punkman relaxedman: you know, there are linux channels/forums for such questions [17:18]
mircea_popescu ascii_field i dun have any objective whatsoever here. i am merely surveying a field. [17:18]
mircea_popescu btcdrak ya it was i nthe logs. [17:19]
btcdrak oh I am still voiced [17:19]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Mostly the speculating crowd. Not people from #b-a or anything [17:19]
mircea_popescu you only need to revoice if you dc. [17:19]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i get it. but i was trying to illustrate how allowing anyone to make the sphincter permanently dilate by spending a fixed cost gets you into 'amplification vulnerability' [17:20]
mircea_popescu williamdunne your main enemy is this crowd of people who agree and encourage to make friends. they can be very damaging. [17:20]
mircea_popescu so take stuff with a grain of salt. [17:20]
relaxedman nubbins`: like gnome or xfce. punkman yea I know. using the foundations guide and it stops before I can get anything installed. [17:20]
nubbins` whoosh [17:20]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field this, as a principle, is in no way argued against. it is exactly true. the proposal is that as restrained, it would not be harmful. [17:20]
williamdunne Ofc.. but none of them were looking to make friends afaik. There was one person from #b-a interested but that's from a different angle [17:20]
williamdunne Initially they were all pretty hostile [17:20]
mircea_popescu williamdunne you tried pitching at one of the incubators you got there ? [17:21]
mircea_popescu must be at least a dozen in london by now, i lost count. [17:21]
nubbins` williamdunne understand this is like "i have a new business idea: an e-business!" in 1992 [17:21]
williamdunne Probably more. It was at one of the incubators we got our last investor.. sour taste in my mouth [17:21]
mircea_popescu one is no sort of sample. [17:21]
mircea_popescu you either go to ALL or you're not a man. [17:22]
mircea_popescu then write a blogpost to defray your mental costs with it. [17:22]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: the other thing is, with 1MB btcfs, can ~rationally plan~ construction of buried node for the future [17:22]
mircea_popescu so you can, yes. [17:22]
ascii_field removing this is a COST and is inflicted on node operators for no benefit to them. [17:22]
ascii_field ergo socialistatron. [17:23]
mircea_popescu mno, iot' a cost inflicted on the network, at a possible benefit to it [17:23]
ascii_field where 'gimme value' 'why' 'because fuckyou' [17:23]
mircea_popescu which all we have trouble quantifying. [17:23]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at the incubators [17:23]
mircea_popescu you understand how science is done yes williamdunne ? you form a theory to test. you go test it. systematically. you either come to a conclusion which precludes further testing, FOR REASONS, or you keep on going. [17:24]
punkman williamdunne: you could probably drive around europe pitching to 100 different incubators [17:24]
punkman bang some sluts along the way [17:24]
mircea_popescu intellectual discipline is not an academic ideal. it's a way of life. [17:24]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i'm still in search of this gedankenbenefit that outweights 'you can't pour nodes into concrete any more, ever' [17:24]
mircea_popescu ascii_field "you can have more paying txn". you ever kept shop, ascii_field ? [17:24]
nubbins` i don't think that banging sluts is a thing that someone who is driving around europe going to /incubators/ is doing [17:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins` why not mix incubation with incubation! [17:25]
ascii_field why not morepaying-transactions instead ? [17:25]
nubbins` because before you know it he's taking another look at the intubators [17:25]
nubbins` ! [17:25]
mircea_popescu the reason i ask if you kept shop, ascii_field, is the following : [17:25]
mircea_popescu if you have a shop, which is your own, which holds a merchandise, which is your own, which is in demand, which is not your own, [17:25]
mircea_popescu you run into the following (purely saccounting, and thus purely psychogenic) problem : [17:25]
mircea_popescu if i sell at 10, i will sell 10, and make a profit of 100, and the remainder 90 will be worth 9k. [17:26]
mircea_popescu if i sell at 20, will sell 1, and make a profit of 20, and the remaindert will be worth 20k. [17:26]
mircea_popescu this is nonsense and a broken way to do business. [17:26]
ascii_field because 'worth' aha [17:26]
mircea_popescu right ? [17:26]
ascii_field aha, that is where the bug is [17:27]
mircea_popescu the sword of "socialistatron" cuts many ways. [17:27]
* ascii_field might be thick, isn't certain how this theorem applies here [17:27]
mircea_popescu obviously making larger blocks has a cost, yes. [17:28]
mircea_popescu but it is certainly possible, and byu some analyses likely, that your option is either a) you sell 1 mb at 1 per byte, or else b) you sell 1.3 mb at 1.1 per byte. [17:28]
mircea_popescu this, economically, is not nonsense. [17:28]
mircea_popescu because of the network effects it can in point of fact be the case that each byte in the 1.3 thing is worth more than in the 1.0 thing. [17:29]
ascii_field my contention was that just having this creates a demolition button for the whole shebang. [17:29]
mircea_popescu this is the balance of the sane part of the "increase block size" side. [17:29]
mircea_popescu it MIGHT. obviously. [17:29]
nubbins` just as likely it'll push smallies out of the picture [17:29]
mircea_popescu and the sum total of what i said is, of all the approaches considered i've seen, none includes a fucking cap over that button. [17:29]
mircea_popescu like a bit of plastic to prevent falling cows from pushing it [17:30]
ascii_field what is a byte in a demolished (perma-usgized) blockchain worth ? [17:30]
mircea_popescu this is a meaningless question. it can no longer be valued. [17:30]
ascii_field aha. [17:30]
mircea_popescu you will note howevere, that while any particular political organisation may be opposed, [17:31]
ascii_field ergo a blockchain without the button is inescapably worth more than one with [17:31]
mircea_popescu politics per se may not. [17:31]
mircea_popescu i am not persuaded by that proposition. [17:31]
nubbins` a few people stand around a sack on the ground, figuring out what to do with it. one fatso says "i want to put so many things inside that only i can carry it around!" [17:31]
mircea_popescu if this were the case, trains without an emergency brake would be worth more than trains with. [17:31]
mircea_popescu they are not, and i can't stand the us trend of taking out the brake in question. [17:31]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: trains without bomb are worth more [17:31]
ascii_field (unless selling bombs) [17:31]
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mircea_popescu if your train goes through "brain worm" alien land, you want the bomb. [17:32]
mircea_popescu it's not so clear cut, my dear alfie. [17:32]
ascii_field sure [17:32]
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ascii_field thing is, i don't get the whole concept of having any sympathy whatsoever for 'needs moar room' when 100% of everyone making this argument is either usg shill or their useful idiots [17:33]
jurov btw, if pouring pogos to concrete, any hard drive you'll use will wear down in few years [17:33]
ascii_field jurov: not antifuse! [17:33]
mircea_popescu i don't either. was not discussing the present day politics of it at all. merely, the principle of the matter. [17:33]
jurov there's gigabyte antifuse prom? [17:34]
mircea_popescu not afaik. [17:34]
ascii_field jurov: not afaik. but nothing prevents it from being constructed [17:34]
mircea_popescu but sure, could be. just like there could be useful cpu that's passive cooled. sometime. [17:34]
ascii_field if mircea_popescu wants one, can have [17:34]
mircea_popescu "sea water!" [17:34]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: 'zoolag' is passively cooled [17:35]
mircea_popescu incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit. [17:35]
mircea_popescu ascii_field is it also buried ? [17:35]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: no, room temp [17:35]
trinque I apologize for interrupting, but just for posterity: the gentoo guide and my script were not so people could like, you know, be cool without having to learn anything. my script for example *IS MEANT TO BE READ AND EDITED* [17:35]
mircea_popescu yousee wqhat i mean. [17:35]
BingoBoingo the reason nbc doesn't do this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo. << The do it on cable, call it Univision. [17:35]
ascii_field though would work fine if buried ~4 metres [17:35]
ascii_field where i live [17:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo yeah. not stellar sales iethe.r [17:36]
ascii_field would need fins [17:36]
nubbins` trinque consider it posteriorized? [17:36]
trinque nubbins`: wassat [17:36]
mircea_popescu when you put it on a juicy derriere [17:36]
trinque lol [17:36]
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trinque sorry I ever linked the thing, christ [17:37]
* danielpbarron is stuck at the "burn a dvd" step [17:37]
trinque shinohai: not @ you ftr [17:37]
mircea_popescu trinque lol chillax man. [17:37]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241005 << please elaborate ? [17:37]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 20:33:50; mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded the problem is in how the software checks sig, not in the cpu limit. [17:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240520 << why own it when you could, like, talk about it. [17:38]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 15:31:58; thestringpuller: ascii_field: i thought the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each to their name and think they are gonna change the world. [17:38]
shinohai trinque: no worries, I had to edit it to get it to run xD [17:38]
trinque look at how it's written; that was intentional [17:38]
trinque you're supposed to open the thing and say oh, I want to change the make.conf/lilo.conf/whatever [17:38]
mircea_popescu ascii_field for instance : blocks come from the mempool, mostly. when a new block is presented, the thing checks all sigs. but it had already checked most of them for mempool. [17:38]
ascii_field this yes [17:39]
mircea_popescu ianae, but i think the lemon could be squeezed by an actual expert. [17:39]
shinohai well, most people will just blindly execute scripts they download from teh interwebz [17:39]
ascii_field BUT you still gotta verify that it is the same! [17:39]
mircea_popescu hash. [17:39]
ascii_field as the one previously checked in mempool [17:39]
mircea_popescu aha. [17:39]
ascii_field and this costs cycles. [17:39]
mircea_popescu not as many tho [17:39]
ascii_field and ram [17:39]
mircea_popescu yes. [17:39]
ascii_field gotta store'em [17:39]
ascii_field using hash where it was not used before also creates incentive to collide [17:40]
mircea_popescu but once we get a sane allocator for pool, like discussed here, you can add the hash. [17:40]
mircea_popescu sure. [17:40]
mircea_popescu mayhap add salt in config file. [17:40]
mircea_popescu anyway, i am not prepared to defend this technically. i just have a manager's eye is all. [17:40]
ascii_field not a wholly bad idea imho [17:40]
thestringpuller make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/thestringpuller/real_bitcoin/rotor/buildroot-2015.05/output/build/host-gcc-initial-4.9.2/build/gcc' [17:41]
thestringpuller make[1]: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 [17:41]
thestringpuller ^^^ ascii_field you ever get something like this [17:41]
ascii_field but the overall theme of thread from my pov was 'just because you can't quantify a cost worth shit, doesn't make it zero' [17:41]
mircea_popescu no argument there. [17:41]
ascii_field thestringpuller: gotta post whole log ! [17:41]
thestringpuller (when running rotor.sh) [17:41]
thestringpuller what part? [17:41]
ascii_field this is not a usable dump [17:41]
ascii_field all of it! [17:41]
thestringpuller it's long [17:41]
thestringpuller but okay [17:41]
mircea_popescu dpaste yo [17:41]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240528 << in that it's the same idea ? [17:42]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 15:47:21; shinohai: Somehow that seems just as bad as real 2-factor auth [17:42]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240541 << ahaha epic. "why roll dice when you can go pvp!" [17:43]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 16:13:57; thestringpuller: maybe when eulora has combat we'll see that [17:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240560 << bwahahah so cute [17:44]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 17:07:38; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015&bots=true#1240240 < i added 'kindergarten' mode for him [17:44]
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thestringpuller dpaste is really not liking this [17:45]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla seems it doesn't have enough colors maybe ? i get whole fields of multiple; speakers same color. [17:45]
shinohai Somewhere today I saw it written "There is no killer app for bitcoin yet" ... why does bitcoin need an app? [17:46]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240586 << and just in case any criminals want to submit the same documents, they can have access too! [17:46]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 18:01:31; danielpbarron: https://medium.com/@wilbns/what-i-learned-from-a-two-year-irs-audit-6b02f8bb4f73 >> Consider keeping Dropbox folders on your computer that match up with everything so you can easily reference everything. This way, your most important documents are backed up and ready to share when needed. [17:46]
mircea_popescu shinohai the writer's head does. [17:47]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241062 << one of the things i know with great certainty, but cannot formally prove, is that 'fuzzy' passwords are a crock of shit [17:47]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 20:40:54; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240528 << in that it's the same idea ? [17:47]
ascii_field which is to say, either it is so 'fuzzy' that bruteforce is trivial, or it is narrow enough to make it non-repeatable [17:47]
thestringpuller ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/3TMZ0FZ << that's a third of it do you need more? [17:47]
ascii_field (you will ~never~ get exactly same waveform into the microphone, etc) [17:47]
mircea_popescu ascii_field how about "natura non facit saltus" ? [17:47]
mircea_popescu the fact that life exists on earth is, to me, proof that "fuzzy passwords" are a crock. [17:48]
ascii_field tell it to electron! [17:48]
mircea_popescu life exists exactly because they aren't passwords. [17:48]
ascii_field non facit saltus my arse [17:48]
mircea_popescu and the fact that life exists continually proves they're really very bad passwords. [17:48]
mircea_popescu ascii_field "natura" in there is "the immediately observable", not the subatomic. there's a reason cardano rng uses electrons not whores moaning. [17:49]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [17:51]
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ascii_field there is this whole fiction called 'n-factor authentication' (various values of n, typically 2) [17:51]
mircea_popescu yes yes. [17:51]
BingoBoingo In other news one interview for one job today seemed to go meh, the other job's interview seemed to go well. Hoping I can get that regular fiat income to start standing up srs noedz [17:51]
mircea_popescu gl to you BingoBoingo ! [17:52]
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ascii_field thestringpuller: looks like an oomkill to me [17:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240619 << they are both uninteresting and late. the actual thing is old, and at http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt [17:54]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 18:24:30; shinohai: The XT constitution LOL >>> https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hc5zz/the_declaration_of_bitcoins_independence/ [17:54]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1flrsUr ) [17:54]
ascii_field thestringpuller: what were you building ~on~ ? [17:54]
mircea_popescu need to creative more, these creative types. [17:54]
mircea_popescu not to even talk of the revolutionary. [17:54]
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shinohai mircea_popescu: I was thinking about the declaration when I saw that. [17:55]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240639 << yeah. a fascinatiuon with this is why every single file on any of the scene participants in the original warez flourish were .rar [17:56]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 18:32:48; punkman: oh it does? didn't know that [17:56]
trinque hey, btw. if someone cnames deeds.bitcoin-assets.com to deedbot.org I'll make that link in the declaration work again. [17:56]
thestringpuller ascii_field: building on AWS should I increase memory footprint size? [17:56]
mircea_popescu it never found any utility, whcih is why you've not heard of either except in the way one hears of the once great hittite empire [17:56]
ascii_field thestringpuller: try building on a computer ..? [17:56]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240645 <<< probably because it is. [17:57]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 18:37:20; danielpbarron: the whole piece reads to me like "this is how to be good obiedient tax cattle" [17:57]
mircea_popescu given that the alternative is "raise an army", and given that "iof you raise an army, might as well sell the captured women into slavery and cultivate poppies", people who don't particularly like the sight of moaning, chained women and heroin addicts have little choice. [17:57]
trinque kakobrekla: pls to cname deeds.bitcoin-assets.org to deedbot.org ? [17:58]
mircea_popescu word. [17:58]
wilbns Ethereum, Nuclear Research and Avoiding Decentralized Cancer: https://medium.com/@wilbns/ethereum-nuclear-research-and-avoiding-decentralized-cancer-abf8b69f1c9d [17:58]
assbot Ethereum, Nuclear Research and Avoiding Decentralized Cancer — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1flrOu8 ) [17:58]
wilbns ...in the event anyone would like to read. [17:58]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240652 << yueah they're going for that entire "we're the new doge - a currency for redditards" thing. which... is fine. [17:59]
thestringpuller ascii_field: i did and it worked. lemme try with more memory [17:59]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:12; nubbins`: it looks like they literally copied the /r/bitcoin header, magic-wand-selected the background, paint-bucketed it blue, tacked on "xt" and saved it as a jpeg [17:59]
* mircea_popescu will temporarily suspend his disdain for medium to read this one. lettuce see. [17:59]
wilbns haha [18:00]
BingoBoingo At least Heroin addicts are, or at least before Narcan were a self cleaning problem. [18:00]
mircea_popescu wilbns on what is this einstein reference based, other than "it'd be cool" ? [18:01]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo they don't drag their lifeless, smelly corpses to a hole and pour anhudrous calcium carbonate on themselves. do they. [18:01]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: They don't need to other heroin addicts do that for them, until it is the next batches "turn" [18:02]
mircea_popescu i dunno [18:02]
BingoBoingo Heroin addicts isn't a plural of things. It is a singular system [18:03]
wilbns mircea_popescu: it's regarding the idea of a hypothesis, theorem, manifesting it self later on down in the line the form of something else, not necessarily positive [18:03]
mats rar is still in use today [18:03]
mats by scene [18:03]
mircea_popescu wilbns but necessarily large. [18:03]
mircea_popescu which i fail to see. anyway. [18:03]
wilbns ah, ok [18:04]
wilbns didn't write about it, but was thinking about Louis Slotin for example - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin - who accidentally irradiated himself when doing nuclear research [18:04]
assbot Louis Slotin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1flseR4 ) [18:04]
trinque http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/17/us-usa-tax-cybersecurity-idUSKCN0QM1VV20150817 [18:04]
assbot IRS says cyberattacks more extensive than previously thought [18:04]
trinque they're going to get plenty of reuse out of that headline [18:05]
danielpbarron >> For anyone residing in the United States, Ether tokens, since they have an implied fiat value and can be bought or sold with digital assets, like Bitcoin, fall under IRS 2014-21. [18:05]
wilbns thinking about how 15 million in crowdfunding could get irradiated if not careful in determing market fit w/ ethereum [18:05]
mircea_popescu wilbns so outright i see the following problem : you discuss ethereum at the maximal outskirts of what its proponents presnet it as. this is not unlike taking a ponzi schemer's "idea" and pretending it would be a central bank, then discussing how "it regulates financial flows". rank nonsense. [18:05]
shinohai ^ [18:05]
punkman "status quote" I lol'd [18:06]
mircea_popescu might as well take a discussion of "dilution is medicine" and write a sci-fi work about how a universe with this would look like. [18:06]
mircea_popescu this sort of thing is exactly what the scammers involved want. [18:06]
mircea_popescu "The first dimension of this complexity is that the area of law, in itself, is generally based on legal precedence" << no. it is based on precedent. [18:06]
wilbns punkman: thanks, missed that one [18:06]
mircea_popescu precedence is when one thing goes above another. precedent is when one thing goes before another. do not mix. [18:06]
wilbns mircea_popescu: thanks, i missed that, too [18:07]
mircea_popescu you ever read the gpg contracts article on trilema ? [18:08]
BingoBoingo If ethereum ever entirely works as promised plan on x86 ring-0 exploits routinely becoming parts of "contracts" [18:08]
danielpbarron wilbns, you should also read this one -> http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/ [18:08]
assbot The death of taxes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1flsHmy ) [18:08]
wilbns cool, i will - and check out the gpg contracts article [18:08]
mircea_popescu you probably should, from this paragraph i notice you'd enjoy it. moreover, here's your "one word" example : http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/ [18:10]
assbot Our Emperor, deliver us. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1flsTlB ) [18:10]
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mircea_popescu it is the exact example case you wish for your argument, and it's a pity to not reference it (especially because it connotes not-done-homework for they in the actual know as to the topics you discuss re law and precedent etc) [18:10]
* mircea_popescu concludes that medium articles with b-a present authors, while not necessarily better, at least provide one the perhaps void feeling of having done something for the future. [18:12]
wilbns ah, yes - that's a good link [18:13]
wilbns that's what i was thinking [18:14]
BingoBoingo New rating | rg > -10 > maidak | owes me $10k << from the other WoT's scroll [18:14]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241069 < quite limited to light colors so its picking randomly from that color space - i thought i made it so it wont repeat colors, will check. [18:15]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 20:44:13; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla seems it doesn't have enough colors maybe ? i get whole fields of multiple; speakers same color. [18:15]
wilbns re: medium, the reason i use that space is because hopefully something i write will be of some use to somehow who can do something positive with it later - if i just stick it on my blog it then i doubt anyone will ever seen it, barring a contextual keyword phrase match [18:16]
kakobrekla right now it picks colors randomly each time, had also a variant of making color from hash of the nick. if that is preferred. [18:16]
BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Gotta remember MP only sees about a third of all colors, but the colors he sees are pink [18:16]
mircea_popescu and the problem with the children doing things they don't understand goes way deeper. http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-is-creating-a-whole-new-set-of-problems/ proplly also interesting. [18:16]
assbot Bitcoin is creating a whole new set of problems on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzS1qA ) [18:16]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo hater! [18:16]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla actually 6 btes from the nick hash -> color seems ideal to me. [18:17]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You said as much when discussing BitBet colors and the gray side and the blue side [18:17]
wilbns wow i'm really having a problem typing. i think the word and type something else. [18:17]
wilbns somehow, someone [18:17]
mircea_popescu i am just differently able colorwise BingoBoingo ! check your privilege! [18:17]
jurov kakobrekla: consider using few other bits to color a text slightly, too [18:17]
BingoBoingo Hey, I just observate. Now nubbins' is an actual color shitlord. [18:18]
mircea_popescu wilbns the plantform choiuce is not a crime, i just am a very hateful soul. [18:18]
mike_c williamdunne: whether or not you can find an investor shouldn't be the determining factor of whether or not you start the business. [18:18]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, you can just add your link to the scoopbot here. [18:18]
punkman mike_c: wut [18:18]
mike_c do you have any reasonable plan for beating the umpteen existing exchanges? or any idea of what their problems are? [18:18]
mircea_popescu which, i wager, is 90% of the useful reaction you've received on it anyway [18:18]
wilbns mircea_popescu: ok :) [18:19]
mike_c of course you can find someone to give you some money. doesn't mean you should waste your time doing it. [18:19]
mircea_popescu mike_c is this in the line of "whether you can find a woman or not shoul;d nopt be the determining factor in whether you start a family" ? [18:19]
mike_c yes. [18:19]
mircea_popescu isn't it rank nonsense ? [18:19]
mike_c no! just because you can find a woman doesn't mean you should start popping out babies. [18:20]
mircea_popescu i did not say THAT [18:20]
trinque wat; it was the other way round [18:20]
mike_c you're all telling him how to get money when you should be telling him to stop trying. [18:20]
mike_c and come up with a better idea. [18:20]
mircea_popescu honestly, not really. [18:20]
* kakobrekla switched to nick-hash for color [18:20]
mike_c well, you know [18:20]
kakobrekla is this ok? [18:20]
mike_c not like you're responsible for him. [18:20]
mircea_popescu i just told him how to approach a problem correectly is all [18:20]
mike_c yeah, I just wanted to add the additional advice of - just because you *can* find an investor doesn't mean you should. [18:21]
kakobrekla also if you are on TN, stfu. [18:21]
mike_c if your time is worth anything. [18:21]
mircea_popescu aha. myeah. [18:21]
mircea_popescu i think one needs to be thirty first, honestly. [18:21]
mircea_popescu before that makes any sense. [18:22]
mircea_popescu twentyyearolds should fuck all available holes. [18:22]
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mike_c that is probably true. [18:22]
mircea_popescu (which also means "a 20yos time is NOT worth anything") [18:22]
jurov mike_c it was clear he did not want input on the idea, but only on the investor [18:22]
jurov kakobrekla: plz to use perceptually uniform color space instead [18:23]
jurov jkjk [18:23]
mircea_popescu jurov stop trying to get people to tell you their ideas to steal them then! [18:23]
kakobrekla trinque done [18:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38240 @ 0.00075618 = 28.9163 BTC [+] [18:23]
mike_c yes, he is misguided. I didn't mean to criticize the room, just try to offer him an additional viewpoint. [18:23]
trinque kakobrekla: thank you sir; I'll change the URL generation on my end to match the previous links [18:23]
mike_c kakobrekla: please change all the colors again, they aren't my favorite. [18:24]
kakobrekla :( [18:24]
mircea_popescu yeah my yellow sucks [18:24]
mircea_popescu i'm, not yeller! [18:24]
kakobrekla you are not even yellow. [18:24]
mike_c i hatez all the colors [18:24]
mircea_popescu incidentally, anyone know what good paprika is ? [18:24]
mircea_popescu the sort that sat and fermented for a while ? [18:24]
punkman trinque should make deedbot accept signed colours which assbot will use to colour the logs! [18:24]
mircea_popescu like tobacco ? [18:24]
trinque kakobrekla: I would like to invest all my doge in your logs hosting shartup [18:24]
trinque punkman: pls no bully [18:25]
jurov kakobrekla: realy, it's okay, i like ;) [18:25]
mike_c kakobrekla: j/k :) the pastels are beautiful. [18:25]
shinohai lol doge wut [18:25]
mike_c and actually, looks better now, more contrast. [18:25]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah, he has it : nice job. [18:25]
jurov riiight, i dream of KYC-enablement all the time [18:26]
mike_c somebody gotta get mircea enchroma for xmas [18:26]
mircea_popescu what is this ? [18:26]
mike_c http://enchroma.com/ [18:27]
assbot EnChroma | Color For The Color Blind ... ( http://bit.ly/1fluaJu ) [18:27]
mircea_popescu i'm, not blind i just can't see [18:27]
shinohai Does this make me look gaaaaaaaaaay? [18:27]
mircea_popescu yes. [18:28]
mircea_popescu sorry, someone had to tell you. [18:28]
shinohai : D [18:29]
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punkman1 hmm [18:29]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [18:31]
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jurov just a check: what colors are peanuts? a) brown b) green c) other color [18:32]
punkman I think it'd be easier on the eyes if it only coloured the names [18:32]
ascii_field idk about this 'enchroma', but i got the opposite: my 'eizo' lcd panels have a button that selectably simulates two types of colour blindness... [18:32]
BingoBoingo jurov: If fried they better be green. If roasted, brown. [18:32]
jurov BingoBoingo: what? [18:33]
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jurov https://m.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3djj8o/colorblind_redditors_shocked_to_learn_that_peanut/ << i was inspired by this [18:34]
assbot Colorblind redditors shocked to learn that peanut butter isn't green ... ( http://bit.ly/1fluIPy ) [18:34]
BingoBoingo jurov: You've never had fried or stewed peanuts as an accompanyment to catfish? [18:34]
mircea_popescu i see peanuts green [18:34]
jurov BingoBoingo: nope [18:34]
punkman mircea_popescu: and pistachios? [18:34]
mircea_popescu yep [18:35]
mircea_popescu i am colorblind, but it's not exactly the common version. [18:35]
mircea_popescu ever since kindergarten ppl thought i'm jus fucking with them [18:35]
BingoBoingo jurov: You are missing out. Great "Southern" dish. Pull up the peanut plant before the nuts brown and they cook delicious. Just don't keep well green so it a sort of necessarily local delicacy to places that can grow peanuts. [18:36]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: http://enchroma.com/faq/color-blindness-test [18:43]
assbot Color Blindness Test | EnChroma ... ( http://bit.ly/1flvrQA ) [18:43]
* ascii_field took the test, is pretty sure he hallucinated digits where there were none, but the only output was 'normal' [18:46]
BingoBoingo lol https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/420645/1873691 [18:47]
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assbot Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoJTVX ) [18:47]
trinque ascii_field: heh, and yet they still tell you to buy the glasses [18:47]
ascii_field 'enhance colour' !!1111 [18:47]
* ascii_field cannot comment re: this tool [18:47]
* BingoBoingo would not be surprised if alf was the incredibly rate tetrochromat [18:47]
BingoBoingo *rare male tetrochromat [18:48]
ascii_field devil knows [18:48]
ascii_field but i do suffer from sensory strange - e.g., can see flicker at 120hz display, dithering, etc [18:48]
BingoBoingo Who truly would without giving Satan you precious SNPs [18:49]
ascii_field (and hear far past 22khz) [18:49]
ascii_field these 'muscles' are good for very little, sadly. [18:49]
BingoBoingo And not a single XT block mined so far [18:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72600 @ 0.00075618 = 54.8987 BTC [+] {3} [18:50]
BingoBoingo (and hear far past 22khz) << Could be useful for steganography targeted to dogs [18:50]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: ever use a heterodyne headphone ? [18:51]
BingoBoingo Not to my knowledge [18:51]
ascii_field tool for listening beyond normal auditory range [18:51]
ascii_field uses beat freq. to bring signal down [18:51]
ascii_field rattling keys sounds like church bells, etc. [18:52]
BingoBoingo Ah, not in a long time [18:52]
ascii_field used to be a common n00b electronics project [18:52]
ascii_field http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tetrachromacy.asp << lulzy [18:53]
assbot snopes.com: Do Some People Have a 4th Retinal Cone? ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoKLKl ) [18:53]
* BingoBoingo doesn't have the greatest hearing. Pretty sure tuba is too blame. [18:55]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1241281 < ahah lmao , professor gets told http://dpaste.com/0YH685Y.txt [19:00]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 21:52:05; ascii_field: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/tetrachromacy.asp << lulzy [19:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoLXgT ) [19:00]
kakobrekla by 'expert in neuromarketing' [19:00]
kakobrekla is that even a word? [19:00]
wyrdmantis http://xtnodes.com/ <--- a fucking war starting over? [19:01]
assbot XTnodes.com - Bitcoin XT Nodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1U879cH ) [19:01]
Azelphur Bitcoin CEO arrested again http://parsherald.com/bitcoin-ceo-arrested-on-250m-fraud-charges/5003/ [19:01]
assbot Bitcoin CEO Arrested On £250m Fraud Charges - Pars Herald ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoM7Vl ) [19:01]
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BingoBoingo by 'expert in neuromarketing' << It's been trendy is USia for about 6 years now. Basically Psychologist who took a couple bsns classes [19:02]
BingoBoingo !up ascii_field [19:02]
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BingoBoingo kakobrekla: Or the reverse [19:02]
ascii_field http://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gif [19:06]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoMRtJ ) [19:06]
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BingoBoingo ^neuromarketing [19:07]
BingoBoingo !up bitstein [19:07]
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bitstein https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3h9y5r/mike_owns_a_little_more_than_100_btc_what/ <- lol [19:07]
assbot Mike owns a little more than 100 BTC. What incentive do the other Bitcoin Core developers have to improve the system? : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoN4Nl ) [19:07]
punkman 100btc, such stake [19:10]
jurov dunno why it evoked imagery of a wallet with public key outside, private key inside of foreskin [19:10]
kakobrekla by the way to add to previous 1% increasement debate; http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed-2015-07-04-05-13-26.txt , http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed-2015-07-04-05-16-41.txt [19:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoNtiO ) [19:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoNtiU ) [19:10]
ascii_field kakobrekla: well he did say 'hardfork' [19:11]
ascii_field hence altcoin [19:11]
jurov 0.5.3 forever [19:11]
ascii_field ^ [19:11]
BingoBoingo More Phoronix lols https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nest-Protect-Fail [19:11]
assbot I No Longer Have Any Trust In The Nest Protect - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoNDqA ) [19:11]
kakobrekla since when do we care for that? [19:11]
BingoBoingo Because http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/817852-i-no-longer-have-any-trust-in-the-nest-protect?p=817871#post817871 [19:12]
assbot I No Longer Have Any Trust In The Nest Protect - [19:12]
BingoBoingo " This post is Michael Larabel's greatest contribution to Linux. " [19:13]
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mircea_popescu well the enchroma website test does not work, becausew being "made in the usa" they gotta be all fucktarded and wrap it all in js and whatnot [19:18]
mircea_popescu anyway. [19:18]
mircea_popescu couldn't just fucking put a bunch of pics up and go "this one is 9 thius one is 5" [19:19]
ascii_field i can picture the conversation [19:19]
ascii_field with mba 'pointy boss' [19:19]
ascii_field 'how will we keep folks from lifting this test' [19:19]
ascii_field monkey: 'js obfuscator' [19:19]
ascii_field boss: -snorts coke- [19:20]
mircea_popescu " We thank everybody for sharing their perception as together we will make new findings." [19:20]
mircea_popescu herp. [19:20]
kakobrekla that womans text is downright insulting. [19:22]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/lJC5lxu.gif << the best part is the sexually aroused duck lordosis-ing before the animal [19:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoMRtJ ) [19:22]
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ascii_field 'once you go' walrus 'you never go back' ? [19:26]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell williamdunne http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238306 << just these i think. few days back. [19:28]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:28]
assbot Logged on 15-08-2015 00:54:18; pete_dushenski: since scoopbot_revived seems to have been asleep at the wheel earlier today : http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/of-trumpets-and-trombones/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/the-user-and-the-rotor/ [19:28]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell thestringpuller replied :) [19:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:31]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: scoopbot_revived have a website aggregator? [19:31]
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pete_dushenski thestringpuller not that i know of [19:32]
pete_dushenski that role was previously handled by peterl's website [19:32]
thestringpuller just a bot. interesting. [19:32]
pete_dushenski but petey when and knocked up his wife and forget to maintain dat shit [19:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform except it's not theirs, they prolly lifted it from one of the military texts of the 40s, and if you're a company selling colorizer glasses why the fuck would you want people NOT to "steal" your dumb diagnosios shit [19:33]
pete_dushenski used to be bablogs.btcscoop.net or something to that effect [19:33]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes knocked up his wife and he still maintains thefoundation [19:34]
thestringpuller using kids as excuses [19:34]
pete_dushenski not all men are created equal [19:34]
thestringpuller i would think not all spouses are crated equal [19:35]
pete_dushenski 'men' includes 'women', at least it used to [19:36]
pete_dushenski by association, obviously [19:37]
pete_dushenski back in the days before gender-fair pronouns were all the rage [19:37]
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pete_dushenski 'tevye' now at 329,000 after a few stops and starts [19:41]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: yea it was OOM. Added a swap file based on mod6 advice and it's building now. [19:41]
BingoBoingo 'once you go' walrus 'you never go back' ? << Have you ever seen 'Tusk' by Kevin Smith. [19:42]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo: sounds like human centipede but with walruses... [19:54]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: Shhhh.... don't spoil it [19:54]
thestringpuller i won't [19:55]
mircea_popescu "high tech smoke detectors" << imagine my surprise when i discover he was being literal. [19:57]
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BingoBoingo Seriously. WHat's so complicated about a dot of Ameracium. [19:59]
pete_dushenski imagine my surprise when i picked up a new '27 inch' monitor last night at it was 30 inches [19:59]
mircea_popescu i had also forgotten how larabel looks like he's 12. [20:00]
BingoBoingo Still, this is his biggest contribution to any Unix-liek system evar [20:00]
* mircea_popescu remembers the early dasys past dot-com bubble, when people were like, genuinelky trying to get linux to work. [20:01]
BingoBoingo CIA ate their soul [20:01]
jurov O.o [20:02]
mircea_popescu "Our Dozens Of #Linux #Benchmark #Systems Still Burning Around 3000 kWh A Month" [20:03]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 30000 / 24 / 30 / .45 [20:03]
gribble 92.5925925926 [20:03]
mircea_popescu that'd be 8 dozens, then ? [20:03]
BingoBoingo More "newsalism" lols https://medium.com/@iandemartino/more-on-cointelegraph-by-a-former-writer-b4e1058b37ca?source=tw-909daaf0a58d-1439847078937 [20:04]
assbot More on CoinTelegraph By a Former Writer — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2NckJ ) [20:04]
mircea_popescu o hey, check out all the things that matter according to people who don't. [20:06]
BingoBoingo Seriously. OH HAI NO QNTRA WITH TRANSPARENT CONTROLLING OWNERSHIP EXISTS. COntinue to Derpograph. [20:07]
mircea_popescu going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra [20:11]
BingoBoingo But no. Instead apparently a bunch of writers disappointed by Derpograph produced http://coinjournal.net. [20:11]
assbot Coinjournal - Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBHbKN ) [20:11]
BingoBoingo going by that "illumination" thing on medium, i would be surprised if the guy could write something that could make it on qntra << Depends on the subject they try to tackle, but questions abound. [20:12]
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mircea_popescu the solution to "We're stupid" is to make .... A NEW COUNTRY!!!! [20:12]
mircea_popescu because clearly, the problem of coingraph or w/e wasn't the idiots manning it. [20:13]
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mircea_popescu but something else. dark and nefarious, outside of "the people"./ [20:13]
mircea_popescu who, very far from being unrepentant shitsacks, are really nice and good and everything. just, whenevere they leav to make a new one, SOMEONE keeps bringing some sacked shit and throwing it everywhere. [20:13]
BingoBoingo Like a taint. It should be readily visible, but the scrotum is in the way. [20:13]
mircea_popescu must be pleasant to be retarded. [20:13]
BingoBoingo Not to mention the coinfire people who started a "premium" subscription deal and stopped posting [20:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-08-2015#1240653 << i find it extremely lulzy, just how outright soviet socialist republics this thing ended up. [20:15]
assbot Logged on 17-08-2015 18:45:25; punkman: "That the community communication channels, the repositories, and any other likewise bitcoin assets, are public property and owned by the community as a whole, not any one single individual nor a very small group of people. All steps must be taken to allow full access to every individual to these assets and to reduce fully or to the absolute minimum any and all barriers to any and all a [20:15]
mircea_popescu really, "owned by all" ? so what, i go in there and edit stuff now ? [20:15]
mircea_popescu oh, "owned by all" in the sense of owned discreetely by mike hearn ? [20:15]
mircea_popescu herp. [20:15]
mircea_popescu that the stupidity discounted as broken a century ago is still the state of the art for these people should concern them. [20:16]
mircea_popescu it doesn't, obviously, because i guess it must be really pleasant to be retarded. [20:16]
pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/KevTs/status/626468523930468352 << british vs. russian engineering today. at least in f1. needless to say, the british team is out of business and the russian team, which killed driver jules bianchi in 2014, the first driver to die in the sport since ayrton senna in '94, continues under the 'manor marrusia' brand. [20:17]
mircea_popescu that fucking sport is pointless if no driver dies. [20:18]
mircea_popescu should be a biannual casualty. the russians did more to make f1 respectable than any english speaker since 1994. [20:19]
pete_dushenski the benefits of having 1/10 the budget of the boring ass leaders of the pack [20:19]
mircea_popescu and yes, senna was maybe the best driver f1 ever had. top 10 for sure. it is bad that he died, it is WORSE that schumacher couldn't have died if he wanted to. [20:20]
pete_dushenski schumacher couldn't even die skiing. he tried. [20:20]
pete_dushenski unlike whatsherface, mrs. 'taken' [20:20]
pete_dushenski natasha richardson [20:21]
pete_dushenski and ya, no death, no glory in motor racing [20:21]
pete_dushenski there's no virtue without risk [20:22]
pete_dushenski montaigne had a bit about this in his essay 'of cruelty' [20:24]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/the-progre/ << ahh this has been so nicely consecrated in the anal tears of gavin & co. [20:25]
assbot The Progre on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBHZPM ) [20:25]
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mircea_popescu "And so it is and so it comes and so he every time succumbs : [20:26]
mircea_popescu Half hour after wardrums beat, five minutes after warlike heat, [20:26]
mircea_popescu About a subjugated plain, among its desperate copies slain, [20:26]
mircea_popescu The Progre stalks with hands on hips while drivel gushes from his lips." [20:26]
pete_dushenski "Questuque cruentus, Atque imploranti similis" [20:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68100 @ 0.00071946 = 48.9952 BTC [-] {5} [20:32]
mircea_popescu lol look who's a vergil fan [20:34]
mircea_popescu "Saucius at quadrupes nota intra tecta refugit, successitgue gemens stabulis; questuque cruentus atque imploranti similis, tectum omne replevit." [20:34]
trinque damn, I need to start using progre as a slur [20:37]
trinque that's great [20:37]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: Why is scoopbot_revived So slow to IRC while tweeting? [20:38]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/08/no-xtcoin-support-committed-to-the-blockchain-yet/ [20:38]
assbot No XTCoin Support Committed to the Blockchain Yet | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1hk1r9K ) [20:38]
trinque would've been useful in yesterday's conversation with a female about how no, Hillary getting in (aside from anything she might do) would itself be a glorious step forward [20:39]
trinque incidentally I'm moving the fuck back to texas in a couple weeks :D [20:39]
BingoBoingo Congrats [20:39]
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BingoBoingo If I get this jerb I'll be moving back to Little Egypt [20:39]
trinque good luck [20:40]
trinque I'm going to live among the lovers of capitalism for a while again, and I'll see whether the weather here was actually worth it [20:41]
pete_dushenski "Cryptographer and digital currency researcher Nick Szabo, who many believe to be the real identity behind Satoshi Nakamoto, has stated that a rapid block size increase is “a huge security risk” and “a reckless act to be performing on a $4 billion system.” Szabo made the remarks as part of the ongoing debate over the Bitcoin block size, which continues to draw in major players from across the community. As [20:42]
pete_dushenski explained by Pete Dushenski, an author at Qntra and Contravex, the Bitcoin blockchain is like a city and the height of its walls is the network’s hashrate." [20:42]
pete_dushenski "Ultimately, Szabo, Dushenski, Mircea Popescu and Garzik agree that tampering with the block size will only make the blockchain heavy and insecure. “The biggest challenge ahead isn’t “bringing Bitcoin to the people” or some such nonsense, it’s in maintaining a sufficient number of nodes to relay and verify transactions. This is challenging issue that has yet to be fully addressed,” explained Dushenski." [20:42]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: WHere is this? [20:42]
pete_dushenski 'virtual mining' blog. same kids who pitted me against roger ver a week or two back. [20:43]
BingoBoingo ah [20:43]
mircea_popescu nb. [20:45]
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mircea_popescu incidentally, today's discussion of the 1% ratchet should, if nothing else, serve as a burning icon of how exactly consensus is sought. [20:46]
pete_dushenski and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october [20:47]
BingoBoingo Wouldn't surprise me in the least Virtual Mining News people could become qntra contributors before the Torpeys and other CoinTelophone people do. [20:47]
BingoBoingo and lest it appear that they interviewed me, they didn't. just referenced and cited an article from last october << This is what the pros do [20:47]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo ya, they're not ear-bitingly stupid, which is a non-qntra first [20:48]
BingoBoingo Nah there were non stupids earlier. I read this Trilema thing a few times. [20:48]
mircea_popescu trinque if nbothing else, autumn's a great time to go tyhere. [20:48]
trinque sure is [20:49]
BingoBoingo PECAN SEASON!!! [20:49]
* mircea_popescu very much liked december texas weather [20:49]
asciilifeform oh, "owned by all" in the sense of owned discreetely by mike hearn ? << how the everloving fuck else ! [20:50]
BingoBoingo Though if in texas this fall it may make sense for you trinque to sell pecans you find to Chinese Bitcoin miners to build good will and a full wallet [20:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform shhh. i was born last night! [20:50]
trinque BingoBoingo: haha, perhaps I still suffer under the delusion that Texas has a future [20:50]
trinque though the chinese may eat the rest of usistan [20:50]
mircea_popescu i agree that texas has a future. [20:51]
mircea_popescu tho it'll prolly be part of the mexican cartel federation. [20:51]
BingoBoingo Seriously last few years Chicoms have been spiking pecan prices [20:51]
asciilifeform aztlan. [20:51]
asciilifeform viktor pelevin got there phirst. [20:52]
mircea_popescu aha [20:52]
trinque mircea_popescu: could be, and if it survives the fight with them, maybe that experience helps it on the path to being an actual country [20:52]
mircea_popescu why would it fight ? [20:52]
trinque dunno, depends on what the federation's like, I guess [20:52]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:52]
mircea_popescu it's like very laissez faire and rape-y. [20:53]
mircea_popescu nobody ever had a problem wiht that sort of thing. [20:53]
trinque haha, that's a point [20:53]
mircea_popescu sell oil and dope to california, buy chained 20something yo ohioites in exchange. hard to resist. [20:53]
asciilifeform 'Instead we have programmers with literally zero financial education or training, fighting over which handful of them is going to decide the fate of the next worldwide financial system.' [20:54]
asciilifeform the Beoble have sp0k3n! [20:54]
* BingoBoingo thinks Texas would prefer Aztalan to Obola [20:54]
asciilifeform ( https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3hcitl/wouldnt_it_be_great_if_the_bitcoin_community ) [20:55]
assbot Wouldn't it be great if the Bitcoin Community around the world were the source of "consensus" ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgnRTb ) [20:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "thinking they are fighting to [...]"/ [20:55]
mircea_popescu in fact they're just doing what they've always done : agreeing over their stale beer + pizza that the boss is dumb and the company doubleplusungood. [20:55]
BingoBoingo Fuck world wide. Phillipines forfeited its vote. Africa (sorry flufferpony) forfeited its vote. Only Aztlan and Babylon have Voats [20:56]
mircea_popescu lol the sad stories of previous usians with pinoy sluts touched you huh [20:56]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: possible nuance is that aztlan has no use for the white man. except possibly as sacrifice [20:56]
mircea_popescu patently untrue. [20:56]
asciilifeform (white fman - sure.) [20:57]
mircea_popescu mexicans love sucking white cock. [20:57]
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BingoBoingo Aztlan loves white people, tis their sole source of income [20:57]
* mircea_popescu has seen this first... dick, so to speak. [20:57]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo not even for the income. mexican woman sees you like you see swedish teenager. [20:57]
asciilifeform these were, presumably, female, aha [20:57]
mircea_popescu "tall and handsome" [20:57]
asciilifeform those are not the ones who will be sacrificing the white man. [20:58]
mircea_popescu nobody's sacrificing the white man cheer up yo. [20:58]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo not even for the income. mexican woman sees you like you see swedish teenager. << Meztizos want to be the new white race [20:58]
asciilifeform but quetzalkoatl has to eat! [20:58]
asciilifeform ocelotl has to drink [20:58]
mircea_popescu it'll eat a stocky brown man. [20:58]
BingoBoingo but quetzalkoatl has to eat! << Black man. [20:59]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo i think is right, that is who it eats now [20:59]
mircea_popescu and cointrary to all the "hic sunt leones" anglo propaganda, the worst arabs are gonna do to you is in all likelyhood ask you to go further in, because you're too fairskinned to be this back in the mosq. [20:59]
BingoBoingo WHen those run out, GOv man [20:59]
mircea_popescu (also seen with own ears) [21:00]
asciilifeform eh, tame urbanite orcs vs raiding parties [21:01]
asciilifeform not quite comparable [21:01]
mircea_popescu quite comparable. [21:01]
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mircea_popescu the reason isis is such a problem is that they're not even comparable, but homologuous. [21:02]
BingoBoingo Aztalan (modeling on Sinaloa) is not the "Homicide da Union" but a business like any other government. [21:03]
BingoBoingo Sure, they want slaves and pubic furs. [21:03]
mircea_popescu better than any government. because, again, laissez faire and rape-y. can't argue with that. [21:03]
BingoBoingo Well, that [21:03]
BingoBoingo But rape-y is more Los-Zetas [21:03]
shinohai https://github.com/n1nj4sec/pr0cks <<< well this shit actually works w/ realbitcoin ^^ [21:04]
assbot n1nj4sec/pr0cks · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgoPyK ) [21:04]
trinque most Texans would protest that they'd fit well with Mexico, but I begin to see it [21:04]
trinque people tend to protest the things that are most true, anyway [21:04]
shinohai kinda unecessary [21:04]
mircea_popescu i wonder, incidentally, how, when or if will the us-style feminist conceptualize that her notions of gender identity and female rights imposes a significant cost on the community, and as a result ensures a) its downfal and b) the mass rape of most females and some males dumb enough to have participated, deserved, as spoils of war. [21:04]
BingoBoingo Better Mexico than those damned Yanks [21:04]
asciilifeform shinohai: it is trivial, why shouldn't it work ? [21:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: posthumously [21:04]
shinohai It seems a little too complicated to do what it does. [21:05]
mircea_popescu maybe. [21:05]
shinohai Why jump through all dem hoops [21:05]
mircea_popescu maybe not even then. "socialism was never really tried" etc. [21:05]
asciilifeform prolly one of those things that will never entirely disappear for so long as there are 'immunocompromised' decaying civilizations, etc [21:05]
mircea_popescu aha. [21:05]
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trinque mircea_popescu: it does seem to be a sort of suicidality [21:07]
trinque many of those types that I've known in Portland clearly hate themselves, and engage in all kinds of self-destructive behavior [21:07]
asciilifeform better than any government << from safe distance. right now, as i understand, they are in what '90s ru called 'initial capital allocation.' which tends to involve some mess - machine-gunning of whole hamlets to prove a point, etc [21:08]
mircea_popescu "I've mentioned this countless times but I think it's obvious that true consensus should be coming from the largest, decentralized group in the Bitcoin space: its users around the world." << how the fuck is a bunch of circlejerking derps, who don't even REALISE that google's been feeding them results tailored to their own stupidity for a decade, who think wikipedia is a source of knowledge and whose enjoyment mostly co [21:08]
mircea_popescu mes from hanging out with groups of similar retards strictly to farm fake agreement, DECENTRALIZED [21:08]
mircea_popescu it is THE MOST centralized thing in both theory and practice. and probably the source of all others. [21:08]
mircea_popescu certainly the source of the state in all its broken implementations to date, from nazi socialism and soviet socialism all the way to obama and peron populisms. [21:09]
mircea_popescu (the two are so strictly undistinct... omfg. us took 200 years to catch up to post-ww2 argentina) [21:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ...how the fuck is a bunch of circlejerking derps, who don't even REALISE << with this here perl script, which emulates the lot of'em with a few pr0xies, how else [21:09]
mircea_popescu right. [21:09]
asciilifeform farm fake agreement << as pictured in herr chomsky's 'manufacturing consent' etc [21:10]
mircea_popescu anyway. no, the "community" is not decentralized now, could not be decentralized in the future. [21:10]
asciilifeform (i just like the title) [21:10]
mircea_popescu quite like that yes. [21:10]
thestringpuller https://gpgtools.org << dunno how I feel about these guys yet but they accept bitcoin [21:11]
BingoBoingo When in doubt, burn with fire [21:11]
mircea_popescu the notion that the group of redditards is "decentralized" is not unlike the proposition that salem at the time of the witch trials was "good christians". [21:11]
mircea_popescu ie, "we the people - goodword of today" [21:12]
trinque thestringpuller: I don't see the need to bolt a mac gui to gpg [21:13]
trinque actcually makes for more cumbersome use than at the command line [21:13]
trinque *actually [21:13]
thestringpuller trinque: i installed it to use the command line tools. it's kinda akin to installing xcode to have clang to run a gcc like thing... [21:14]
thestringpuller didn't know if they committed to like a mac branch of gpg or something or its just all gui shit [21:15]
BingoBoingo When did you get a mac thestringpuller [21:17]
BingoBoingo So #OpenBSDPrivilege https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/633433130733555712 [21:22]
BingoBoingo "@petertoddbtc Why a /dev/ and not a call to the kernel for such matters? @EliteRaspberrie @dchest @zooko" [21:22]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [21:24]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 256.88, vol: 8801.72508523 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 254.371, vol: 4521.57078 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 258.45, vol: 9933.81721964 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 265.0, vol: 21.37730152 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 257.252976, vol: 11291.98050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 258.6391, vol: 85.6495071 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 257.115059889, vol: 27.43535912 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message) [21:24]
BingoBoingo ;;more [21:24]
gribble average: 257.133544026 [21:24]
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gernika Here's some "decentralization" for you: http://www.backbxt.com/ [21:27]
assbot BackBXT: Start a full BitcoinXT node by sending bitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgqmF4 ) [21:27]
asciilifeform 1) pseudonode 2) collect idiots' coin 3) ??? 4) profit (tm) (r) [21:28]
asciilifeform (for bonus points, pseudonode-on-botnet) [21:28]
gernika My first thought yes [21:28]
asciilifeform btw there is no reason known to me that the bulk of the supposed 6k nodez could not be the above. [21:29]
mircea_popescu idiots SHOULD be relieved of their burden. [21:29]
asciilifeform how else. [21:29]
mircea_popescu the less they have the better the world. [21:29]
mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3hbdwl/the_work_left_undone/ << kinda lukewarm effort, but not bad bit-Coin polymorphic notationz. [21:30]
assbot The work left undone : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgqCnq ) [21:30]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i'd rather the crows ate'em [21:30]
asciilifeform not like fat, emboldened sc4mz0rz are good for anything [21:31]
asciilifeform (to eat?) [21:31]
BingoBoingo not like fat, emboldened sc4mz0rz are good for anything << Butuchyag [21:31]
mircea_popescu there is that. [21:32]
BingoBoingo Literally worse than children https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/17/df94660ede2549640bccad73c5bee957.png [21:37]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgrcS6 ) [21:37]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00075671 = 21.8689 BTC [+] {4} [21:55]
BingoBoingo (Hashtag)Censored on Reddit https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/424145 [21:58]
assbot Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2UViG ) [21:58]
BingoBoingo Two consecutive days Qntra has been at the top of /v/bitcoin but to be fair this time it took all of 4 upvotes [22:04]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: wtf is the point of that site. [22:11]
asciilifeform all i ever see is that idiot cloudflare banner [22:11]
BingoBoingo Thank you Obamacare for giving this self identified Hamgalaxy a CPAP so she doesn't choke on the weight of her chest in her sleep https://archive.is/no0PJ [22:11]
assbot Why it's time for radical fat acceptance ... ( http://bit.ly/1LgtEId ) [22:11]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: It trolls Ycombinator's reddit. Otherwise worthless. I derp on it and egg on the controversy with dirty quarentine browser [22:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00074836 = 24.0972 BTC [-] {3} [22:14]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: No reason to bother with the voat cloudflare wall at all if you don't care to afflict the stupid [22:14]
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wilbns http://blog.blockchain.com/2015/08/16/achievement-unlocked-4-million-bitcoin-wallets/ [22:20]
assbot Achievement Unlocked – 4 million bitcoin wallets | Blockchain Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lgu6Gm ) [22:20]
mircea_popescu "radical fat acceptance" ? [22:21]
wilbns ^ not true. [22:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20550 @ 0.00073639 = 15.1328 BTC [-] {4} [22:21]
mircea_popescu could we instead accept 1% more fat each year ? [22:21]
wilbns Sorry, was saying "not true" in relation to the link. [22:22]
wilbns That number counts users who have multiple wallet identifiers, and also algorithmically created via the API. [22:22]
wilbns Also, numbers significantly were inflated in spring of 2014 as a result of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/20pvln/blockchaininfo_coming_online_phased_restore/ [22:23]
assbot Blockchain.info coming online - phased restore : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Wux2 ) [22:23]
BingoBoingo could we instead accept 1% more fat each year ? << No. It breaks the BritneyChain [22:24]
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mircea_popescu ;;google trei grasulii se leganau pe o pinza de paianjen... [22:24]
gribble No matches found. [22:24]
mircea_popescu orly [22:24]
wilbns It's annoying, because there are some good and kind people who work at Blockchain.info, but there are some "not right" things going on at the top. [22:25]
mircea_popescu wilbns i think this is pretty much known, but yeah. [22:25]
BingoBoingo wilbns: Blockchain.info went rogue soon after they took investment from the wrong crowd. Irreparible now. [22:27]
BingoBoingo Can't even par [22:27]
wilbns One time I was asked by Peter Smith to find early charts of PayPal total payments volume to compare to Blockchain Total Payments volume. Was told by Peter Smith that him and Nic Cary were in Silicon Valley meeting with former PayPal executives and venture capitalists (this was before they secured their raise), to whom they were comparing early Blockchain [22:28]
wilbns growth rate as being something even more rapid and promising than PayPal total payments volume. It was then that I realized there were instances where people were potentially being mislead that the Blockchain total payments volume was actually Blockchain.info total payments volume. [22:28]
mircea_popescu https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3gmn15/mining_for_comedy_gold_in_the_rbitcoin_corpus/ << the bruce fentonfail is pretty good lol [22:29]
assbot Mining for comedy gold in the r/bitcoin corpus : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2WSvm ) [22:29]
mircea_popescu wilbns doh. [22:29]
mircea_popescu i do not credit this "nice people working for scammers" theory. [22:29]
mircea_popescu no reprieve. nic carey used to be a good guy, he's as scummy as any scumbag now. this is his doing, and not my problem. [22:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00073227 = 8.7872 BTC [-] [22:30]
BingoBoingo One time Ryan X Charles before he adopted that name approached my IRL name to set up St Louis Bitcoin meetup and I told him I don't want to meet the sort of people that would live in St Louis an share his kind of interest in Bitcoin. [22:31]
thestringpuller LOL [22:33]
thestringpuller Ryan X Charles is from MO? [22:34]
BingoBoingo He was in a physics phd program at one of the St Louis universities before he went to BitPay. At the time he contacted me I think he was still using a slave name. [22:36]
thestringpuller Now he is professor X. [22:37]
asciilifeform today i learned that... [22:38]
asciilifeform SWAG still exists! http://swag.delphidabbler.com [22:38]
assbot SWAG Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2XuRK ) [22:38]
asciilifeform (nothing at all to do with 'delphi.' mega-classic archive of algo snippets, mainly for borland's turbopascal) [22:39]
asciilifeform holy fuck. [22:39]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: (nothing at all to do with 'delphi') << this didn't stop me from looking up delphi of the 90's lol [22:40]
mircea_popescu nothing ever went away. everything just got drowned. [22:41]
* asciilifeform looks for the copy of 'gold bug' virus that some derp threw into swag and claimed as 'universal decompilator' [22:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'that is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange eons even death may die' (tm) (r) [22:42]
mircea_popescu aha [22:42]
* mircea_popescu feels tempted to rewrite that one too. [22:42]
asciilifeform ^^^ [22:42]
asciilifeform do it!11 [22:42]
mircea_popescu im going to end up the english language's foremost hack. [22:42]
* BingoBoingo still has machines somewhere vulnerable to N.vir [22:42]
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asciilifeform now why didn't this schmuck make the entries linkable [22:44]
asciilifeform i mean, wtf. [22:44]
asciilifeform gotta 'javascriptate' everything, aha [22:44]
asciilifeform ferfuxxake [22:44]
asciilifeform http://web.archive.org/web/20110227081730/http://www.bsdg.org/SWAG << better. [22:47]
assbot Main SWAG (Sourceware Archive Group) HTML Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Y9CM ) [22:47]
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asciilifeform http://web.archive.org/web/20080704193847/http://www.bsdg.org/SWAG/STRINGS/0096.PAS.html << example [22:48]
assbot "RPos in BASM" by EDDY THILLEMAN ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2YgON ) [22:48]
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asciilifeform http://www.retroarchive.org/swag << proper archive. [22:52]
assbot Main SWAG (Sourceware Archive Group) HTML Index ... ( http://bit.ly/1flRjLV ) [22:52]
asciilifeform http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/MISC/0168.PAS.html << try & write this for modern system (NO WWW IDIOCY) in this many lines. [22:54]
assbot "TURBO PONG GAME" by GLENN REIFF ... ( http://bit.ly/1flRsPi ) [22:54]
asciilifeform http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/MISC/0004.PAS.html << movie player. [22:56]
asciilifeform (yes) [22:56]
assbot "FLI File player" by SWAG SUPPORT TEAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2YMME ) [22:56]
asciilifeform these, one might add, are SELF-CONTAINED (with exception of msdos and occasional bios call.) no 'libraries' [22:57]
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asciilifeform http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/MISC/0209.PAS.html << eliza. [22:59]
assbot "TP6-7 example of Eliza" by SWAG SUPPORT TEAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1flRKpr ) [22:59]
asciilifeform http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/DATATYPE/0026.PAS.html << lulzy derp [23:02]
assbot "Encryption Theory" by KANDA'JALEN EIRSIE ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2Z7Po ) [23:02]
asciilifeform ^ in case anyone thinks idiocy was invented yesterday [23:02]
phf being able to write pascal in delphi was like the right of passage for moscows programmer boys. i thought i was the shit with my dozen of delphi programmers until good folk at msu cmc unix room gently explained to me that i'm an idiot, told me to install freebsd and gave a copy of "programming in c language" by podbelsky and fomin. probably one the earliest books i've purchased still on my bookshelf [23:03]
asciilifeform delphi happened under winblowz and therefore for me never happened. [23:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.retroarchive.org/swag/DATATYPE/0033.PAS.html << lifecoin ! [23:03]
assbot "Life/Mutation Algorithms" by NICK VERMEULEN ... ( http://bit.ly/1K2ZdGV ) [23:03]
mircea_popescu aha [23:03]
asciilifeform phf: now, turbopascal 7 for msdos - ~happened~ ! [23:04]
phf ha, i remember we opted to use turbopascal for some programming olympiada and made a terrible mess out of it. basically were expect to come in some place, but we couldn't even finish the program [23:05]
asciilifeform bbbut... it even had built-in dictionary of keywords [23:05]
asciilifeform what could be easier. [23:05]
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* asciilifeform to this day considers any programming environment that can't display a full reference to the language on demand, optionally searchable by keyword at current cursor, to be inferior [23:07]
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* asciilifeform nostalgic from the naivete of the 'encryption' section in 'swag' [23:07]
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imsaguy hi kids! [23:12]
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BingoBoingo WHat's up tripeSlash? [23:13]
imsaguy nada. just censoring people and stuff. [23:13]
imsaguy How are you? [23:14]
BingoBoingo Not bad. Just stuffing cotton towels in social media toilets, taking a shit, and flushing them. [23:16]
imsaguy hah [23:16]
imsaguy Its amazing the amount of vitriol that is out there amongst people that probably don't even know the real difference between the two forks. [23:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:17]
imsaguy yes, amazing assbot is amazing. [23:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:17]
imsaguy ;;sell 1 amazing company @ 1 bajillion dollars [23:17]
gribble Error: 'company' is not a valid price input. [23:17]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [23:17]
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trinque anybody ever use an oldschool tracker for music production? [23:20]
asciilifeform me. [23:20]
trinque they seem *almost* right [23:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00072019 = 26.575 BTC [-] {4} [23:20]
trinque asciilifeform: neat! [23:20]
asciilifeform (though it is debatable whether the output was 'music') [23:20]
trinque Renoise is a decent modern equivalent imo [23:20]
asciilifeform there is no modern equivalent. [23:20]
asciilifeform (to, e.g., 'fasttracker') [23:21]
trinque how so? [23:21]
asciilifeform for one thing, 'fastracker' didn't crack, didn't need window dragging or tab flipping, [23:21]
trinque ah sure, in that sense [23:21]
asciilifeform didn't need a heavy multiprocess operating system, [23:21]
asciilifeform was more or less superior in every way to the linked example. [23:22]
asciilifeform *didn't crash [23:22]
asciilifeform ever. [23:22]
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trinque I've never killed renoise, but anyhow, my actual complaint is that I can't call arbitrary chunks of noise a function and reuse them [23:22]
trinque must be a rectangle including all instruments [23:22]
asciilifeform http://www.madwizard.org/images/content/el/modplayer/fasttracker2.png [23:22]
trinque well fuck you renoise, I want just the drums and bass in this part [23:23]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1flTaAj ) [23:23]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell btcdrak you disconnected so actually will have to revoice self when this message is recieved [23:24]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:24]
asciilifeform trinque: there are things that could be had today only if you were to recreate the world of yesterday. [23:24]
asciilifeform fortunately, this is not difficult. (on your desk, at least.) [23:24]
trinque I'm starting to lean towards wanting a programming language for this (yes lisp) [23:25]
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trinque for example I commonly want to take a lick and move it around a scale some [23:25]
trinque for great noodlage [23:25]
[\] kinky [23:25]
trinque that's a function with a root note and a scale as arguments [23:25]
BingoBoingo The only piece of "music software" I truly liked was "Noteworthy Composer" [23:25]
trinque I actually wrote what I describe above in python [23:26]
trinque and trashed it all [23:26]
trinque because the python was getting in the way of how I wanted to express it in language, of course [23:26]
trinque I was utterly ignorant of lisp at the time [23:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.0007142 = 9.7488 BTC [-] {3} [23:26]
mircea_popescu here you go asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/that-one-with-the-eons/ [23:27]
assbot That one with the eons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1K30Y6W ) [23:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00074028 = 3.0351 BTC [+] [23:27]
phf asciilifeform: i know right. none of us used it before, and really were so cocky we durped till last moment. it's my only and very vivid memory of turbopascal [23:30]
phf it's probably same year, that i was switched to freebsd, so never actually programmed for dos. i did write a tsr to do a memory dump on a keypress few years later [23:34]
phf used it to cheat in games heh (i think there were a dozen of variations of that idea) [23:36]
mats http://fortune.com/2015/08/04/facebook-loan-approval-network [23:40]
assbot Facebook Snags Patent For Approving Loans Based On Your Social Network - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1flU1AW ) [23:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20933 @ 0.00072262 = 15.1266 BTC [-] [23:40]
mats >When an individual applies for a loan, the lender examines the credit ratings of members of the individual’s social network who are connected to the individual through authorized nodes. If the average credit rating of these members is at least a minimum credit score, the lender continues to process the loan application. Otherwise, the loan application is [23:41]
mats rejected. [23:41]
mats A+ [23:42]
wilbns ah, the grey area of profiling. [23:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5017 @ 0.00072262 = 3.6254 BTC [-] [23:42]
scoopbot_revived That one with the eons. http://trilema.com/2015/that-one-with-the-eons/ [23:45]
mats nothing can go wrong [23:46]
wilbns 25 years ago there was no Facebook and a fledgling Internet - many people were still using a BBS or interacting with one another using AOL, CompuServe or Prodigy. A smartphone did not exist. It will be interesting in another 25 years to see the path of where things will go. I wonder if we were teleported there tomorrow if we would recognize it. [23:49]
wilbns ...and what other things will be derived from social networks. [23:50]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: l0l!! [23:52]
asciilifeform spiffy. [23:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00070927 = 5.7451 BTC [-] {3} [23:53]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241709 << this will be ruthlessly suppresses because it is RACIST [23:53]
assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 02:39:32; mats: >When an individual applies for a loan, the lender examines the credit ratings of members of the individual’s social network who are connected to the individual through authorized nodes. If the average credit rating of these members is at least a minimum credit score, the lender continues to process the loan application. Otherwise, the loan application is [23:53]
asciilifeform then again, a back door may be found for it to safely walk through, like google's employment not-iq-really-fuck-you-not-iq tests [23:53]
mats if social networks as they exist nao are still a thing i will eat a bullet [23:54]
asciilifeform still a thing..? [23:54]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1241705 << recall 'gametool' and 'gamewizard' ? [23:54]
assbot Logged on 18-08-2015 02:35:23; phf: used it to cheat in games heh (i think there were a dozen of variations of that idea) [23:54]
mats 'in another 25 years' [23:55]
wilbns mats: thinking it is going to be three-dimensional, where you interact w/ your social network wearing some sort of oculus rift-themed devise in an alternate reality. people will choose that over this one. and then many will truly become ambivalent to things that are happening in "real" life [23:55]
wilbns device* [23:55]
asciilifeform wilbns: v. pelevin had a hilarious sf yarn where people not only did this, but fucked this way [23:56]
mats sure, for people that don't need to work to live [23:56]
asciilifeform (fucking assigned receptacle/inverse, as case may be, but seeing their idiotbook simulacrum at ~all~ times in the goggles) [23:56]
wilbns mats: people will be employed to execute roles in cyberspace. telecommuting and working from home is the first step. [23:56]
asciilifeform which were not removable except at great peril. [23:57]
asciilifeform mats: 'work' also inside the machine. [23:57]
trinque god sounds terrible. [23:57]
asciilifeform (as most already do) [23:57]
trinque the only thing I do via social media is barf articles at family in the hopes that they read [23:57]
trinque specifically, seeing your meatwot at all times on some device... [23:57]
BingoBoingo https://slimgur.com/images/2015/08/17/5bb6d7f9bba424cc18b5a09006bd0367.png [23:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1flV9o8 ) [23:58]
mats i imagine modern civilization will decay too quickly for wilbns universe to materialize [23:58]
trinque imagine that's your cousin, and now your brain implant means you have to see that all day [23:58]
wilbns asciilifeform: thanks for the tip! [23:58]
asciilifeform trinque: nah you see his 'avatar' [23:58]
asciilifeform trinque: which is a catgurl or the like. [23:58]
mats huk [23:58]
asciilifeform the book was, iirc, 'love of the three zuckerbrins' [23:59]
asciilifeform but afaik no english ver [23:59]
asciilifeform nor ever expect one! [23:59]
asciilifeform learn fucking languages. [23:59]
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