Forum logs for 16 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

decimation	http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/16/us-usa-obama-internet-idUSKCN0PP1JI20150716 " U.S. President Barack Obama announced a pilot project on Wednesday aimed at expanding broadband access for people who live in public housing, part of an effort to close what Obama called the "digital divide" between rich and poor."	[00:01]
assbot	Obama launches project for more broadband in public housing	[00:01]
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mircea_popescu	heh.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/beac9a516b31a08bd0b2d76400e54306/tumblr_n83jbs1pqJ1rpyus3o1_500.gif	[00:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VFnh )	[00:06]
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decimation	Hey there's 'women in tech', why not 'poor in tech' and 'alternatively housed in tech'	[00:07]
decimation	http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-13/algorithms-had-themselves-a-treasury-flash-crash "Around 9:39 ET, the sudden visibility of certain sell limit orders in the futures market seemed to have coincided with the reversal in prices. Recall that only 10 levels of order prices above and below the best bid and ask price are visible to futures market participants. Around 9:39 ET, with prices still moving higher, a number of previ	[00:08]
assbot	Algorithms Had Themselves a Treasury Flash Crash - Bloomberg View ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6VPuU )	[00:08]
decimation	" The sudden visibility of these sell orders significantly shifted the visible order imbalance in that contract, and it coincided with the beginning of the reversal of its price (the top of the price spike). Most of these limit orders were not executed, as the price did not rise to their levels.	[00:09]
decimation	ah the missing bit in the middle "a number of previously posted large sell orders suddenly became visible in the order book above the current 30-year futures price (as well as in smaller size in 10-year futures)."	[00:09]
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decimation	also: "At the peak of the flash crash, self-trading in the 10-year "reached 14.9 percent and 11.5 percent for cash and futures" volume, respectively, and was even higher in the 5-year"	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	managed to cross the wire ?	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	well done glbse!	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	!up TheRealJohnGalt	[00:10]
-assbot-	You voiced TheRealJohnGalt for 30 minutes.	[00:10]
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decimation	^ I conclude that the high rent firms who run the hft bots are just as clueless as spv miners	[00:11]
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decimation	" Self-trading, for the purpose of this report, is defined as a transaction in which the same entity takes both sides of the trade so that no change in beneficial ownership results."	[00:11]
decimation	so they are running a gaggle of bots and they have no fuckin' clue how they interact	[00:11]
mod6	aka wash trades	[00:11]
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decimation	mod6: perhaps, it's not clear to me how selling something to yourself is beneficial in tax terms	[00:12]
decimation	punkman posted this yesterday http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202259	[00:13]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 09:06:29; punkman: ben_vulpes: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares << crazy	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	decimation conclusion is certainly correct. they have no clue and no future.	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	"The modern traveller " thy name is legion " proposing to visit some " lost paradise " such as Bali, often asks whether or not it has yet been " spoiled." It makes a naive, and even tragic, confession. For this man does not reflect that he is condemning him- self ; that what his question asks is whether or not the sources of equilibrium and grace in the other civilizations have yet been poisoned by contact with men lik	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	e him- self and the culture of which he is a product." << this is deeply self-flattering but just as deeply wrong. if a man asks if a woman is a virgin, he also condemns himself ?	[00:14]
decimation	^ apparently most 'stock ownership' is a complete mirage	[00:14]
decimation	the state of delaware doesn't even acknowledge that your broker owns the stock, yet alone you	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	" it is to be feared that the gradual breaking down of their institutions, together with the drain on their national wealth, will make coolies, thieves, beggars and prostitutes of the proud and honourable Balinese of this generation, and will" prostitution is not to be feared. prostitution is the realisation of the feminine ideal finally liberated of all the slag of fear and hypocrisy.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	anyway. i still can't fucking stand that wamy fellow, nothing's changed in a decade.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather read orlov's daughter from a marriage with yarvin consumated on one of their leaky carriers they have.	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	decimation you can get proper ownership if you want, to this day (a point fucktarded articles deliberately omit to mention)	[00:17]
decimation	that passage sounds like the seeds of 'liberal guilt'	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	i had a pile.	[00:17]
decimation	as in actual stock ceritficates?	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[00:17]
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decimation	yeah, apparently the common method is a big dumb 'depository company' holds them on behalf of another company who holds them on behalf of a broker who 'sells' them to you	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	i think i even have unissued ones from old corps in storage somewhere as well.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	nobody forces you to participate.	[00:18]
decimation	you need to actually hold a certificate to be an owner in delaware apparently	[00:18]
decimation	or at least have a warehouse receipt for the same	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	how else would you do it ?	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	no, no "at least". have the cert or walk.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	go ask your dad or w/e it is that has it.	[00:18]
decimation	well, when I give the broker money for a stock or fund, what am I buying?	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	best ask him neh ?	[00:19]
decimation	indeed, it's an interesting question	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	again nobody forces you to buy something you don't wanna buy	[00:19]
decimation	actually in the us they kinda do sometimes	[00:19]
decimation	for instance if you have a forced menu on your company's retirement plan	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	(yes they'll ship you the certs if you so wish, and aren't one of the reddit "but i expect everyything for free" consumer crowd)	[00:19]
gernika	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203093 << didn't fail any tests, just didn't take any. I happened to have roommates that smoked pot every day, and for the brief period I lived with them, I partook.	[00:20]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 02:21:50; mircea_popescu: course, he was discussing failing tests and whatnot.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	decimation how's this menu work ?	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	gernika they actually test ~for pot~ ?	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	even the nsa had to drop that one.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	what, chinese are special?	[00:20]
decimation	very typically your company will have a short list of 'funds' in which you can invest your usg-blessed 'deferred tax' money	[00:20]
gernika	mircea_popescu They did, some 15 years ago. This is Idaho and Texas we're talking about.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	decimation i would expect you can get certs for your fund participation. you don't own what they own, just a piece of them.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	gernika sorry for some reason i thought it was china.	[00:21]
decimation	mircea_popescu: possibly, I'll have to look into it.	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	decimation obviously, ownership is not without its pitfals. if you manage to burn them down you may have a problem on your hands.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	people prefer not to own for all sorts of reasons.	[00:22]
gernika	mircea_popescu Aha no the Chinese thing was a test of my appearance via a photo, which I passed.	[00:22]
decimation	did you know that nearly all retail 'financial advisors' in the us are not actually fiduciary?	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	how would they be lol.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	think about it. how much does insurance cost ? how'd you make it so random schmuck with 50 bucks in his pocket can afford one ?	[00:23]
decimation	you make it so nobody is liable for suckering him	[00:23]
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decimation	which is roughly the state of the computer industry that ascii bemoans	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	the elephant in the room is that ten thousand today are not worth a hundred in 1920, whcih is the last release year of most of this stuff.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	so consequently...	[00:23]
decimation	yeah ownership dilusion is rampant too	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	people with less than a million liquid are not in any sense anything but the shoeshine boys and shop maids investing their nickles and dimes, which famously made carnegie quit or who was it	[00:24]
mod6	joe kennedy	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	alright.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif foxylady says hi.	[00:26]
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decimation	how did greenspun put it: http://philip.greenspun.com/materialism/early-retirement/investing " Note that Harvard's total is 105 percent because of leverage, i.e., situations in which they've borrowed money to purchase investments. Conspicuously absent from these portfolios are heavy investments in American companies run by Harvard and Yale graduates. "Domestic Equity" are publicly traded stocks such as GE and Microsoft. Harvard and Ya	[00:26]
assbot	Early Retirement: Investing ... ( http://bit.ly/1M6ZlFu )	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[00:27]
decimation	"Harvard and Yale have faith that their graduates will make a lot of money for themselves, but no faith that they will make money for their shareholders. "	[00:27]
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mircea_popescu	harvard has a lot better sense than to buy the toxic spew of its own "start-up culture".	[00:27]
decimation	yeah, they buy timber land and private equity	[00:27]
decimation	also note that yale hardly buys bonds too	[00:30]
decimation	but the bottom line is that 70% of their wealth is invested in stuff that isn't available to the above shoeshine boys	[00:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HASH] 3550 @ 0.00051 = 1.8105 BTC [-] {2}	[00:33]
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decimation	!up TheRealJohnGalt	[00:46]
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decimation	asciilifeform: did you go on a kicking spreee	[01:00]
asciilifeform	l0lwat	[01:01]
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decimation	I just saw about 20 people quit	[01:01]
decimation	maybe netsplit	[01:01]
asciilifeform	prolly	[01:01]
decimation	nearly all of them were on irccloud.com actually	[01:02]
decimation	I wonder if that's where our lurkers come from	[01:02]
decimation	I've been reading that 'thinking forth' book, it's rather enjoyable	[01:03]
decimation	I can see the elegance of the stack-based design	[01:03]
decimation	where even function arguments are implict	[01:04]
decimation	also the rpn makes me yearn for my hp calc	[01:04]
asciilifeform	it is pretty neat, aha	[01:05]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I see the wisdom in writing bitcoin in ada strictly to attract the kinds of programmers we actually want	[01:06]
asciilifeform	that kinda thing is more of a concern for wilderness folks (who have no wot)	[01:06]
mats	http://www.rc4nomore.com	[01:08]
assbot	RC4 NOMORE ... ( http://bit.ly/1K95Jg7 )	[01:08]
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gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202196	[01:20]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 06:55:10; ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever	[01:20]
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gabriel_laddel	^ some people would like to have CLOS "models" http://web.archive.org/web/20140711171553/http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=2316 (see the section "An Interface/API Mechanism")	[01:20]
assbot	Things I Want in Common Lisp « Symbo1ics Ideas ... ( http://bit.ly/1K974Ua )	[01:20]
gabriel_laddel	Should be easy enough to add on top of CLOS if one really needs it.	[01:21]
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gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202192 << You wouldn't use CLOS for this afaik? Write a (generic?) function that performs the necessary data munging and deal with these unnamed structures using `cons', `append', `car' etc.	[01:22]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 06:54:13; trinque: I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db	[01:22]
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gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202226	[01:24]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 07:03:43; trinque: and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl	[01:24]
gabriel_laddel	^ wtf why	[01:24]
gabriel_laddel	CLIM!?	[01:24]
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gabriel_laddel	Sure it doesn't run "on the web" but one can socket one lisp proc into another and done?	[01:26]
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asciilifeform	achtung, panzers!	[01:26]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al!	[01:27]
asciilifeform	gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node.	[01:27]
asciilifeform	(remember to always add by ip, stator does not support dns)	[01:27]
asciilifeform	96.241.120.166:8333	[01:29]
asciilifeform	(for now.)	[01:30]
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asciilifeform	aaaand i think we might be ph0rk3d again just now.	[01:35]
mod6	<+asciilifeform> gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. << cool!	[01:36]
mod6	are you stuck on block 365`521?	[01:37]
asciilifeform	-20	[01:37]
asciilifeform	(the flagship node, interestingly, isn't)	[01:38]
trinque	gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL	[01:40]
trinque	however I can see a use for CLIM on the backend	[01:40]
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cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol	[01:48]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 02:19:08; asciilifeform: i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do'	[01:48]
asciilifeform	aha	[01:48]
asciilifeform	but iirc he quit, yes	[01:48]
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trinque	double latte is as far as I go into that territory these days	[01:51]
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gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203280 << wtf why would you target "internet users".	[01:53]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 04:37:08; trinque: gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/4ac85d1e67774ad97b370692cd87ca40/tumblr_n7fin8iqVA1t6sn51o1_400.gif << check out the sudden improvement in posture once the stick connects.	[01:53]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1RAB7Iq )	[01:53]
trinque	gabriel_laddel: who says I'm "targeting" still	[01:53]
trinque	turns out you can make money in hubcaps and all sorts of other mundane things.	[01:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: lordosis !	[01:53]
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gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203282 << there are three relevent trilema articles. One describes MP's stance on drug legality (perhaps they should be illegal b/c else they'd be mandatory) the second doesn't have a comments section and shows off some MDMA on a tea tray (biz meeting iirc?) and the third mentions the purity of Ar cocaine in the footnotes.	[01:57]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 04:44:59; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol	[01:57]
trinque	mdma is a truly lovely drug.	[01:57]
asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: i think there was a fourth where he appreciated hand-blown light bulbs. but under the influence of what, precisely - was not specified.	[01:57]
gabriel_laddel	asciilifeform: hrm. I don't remember that one, but now that I think about it, there is a comment you made on a nonsense article ~"MP took a delivery of some potent smokables?".	[01:59]
gabriel_laddel	oh, and the liquid-acid restaurant.	[01:59]
asciilifeform	can't recall	[01:59]
gabriel_laddel	"less liquid, less acid"	[01:59]
asciilifeform	probably was a hypothetical	[01:59]
gabriel_laddel	;; google site: trilema.com "this is my attempt at trolling the electrical engineers"	[02:00]
gribble	Shots from a voyage on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Proverb or expression for a situation with two choices, both leading ...: ; Mainstream French Science Magazine Science et Vie on Cold ...: (1 more message)	[02:00]
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lobbesbot	New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=641 (Thomas Hofmann ; )	[02:01]
lobbesbot	New post: http://nosuchlabs.com/rss Phuctored RSA Modulus, GCD=4294967297 (Thomas Hofmann ; )	[02:01]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LzS295 )	[02:01]
asciilifeform	lulziez	[02:01]
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gabriel_laddel	trinque: ben_vulpes: http://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-Programming-COMMON-LISP-Programmers/dp/0201175894/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437016401&sr=8-1&keywords=a+programmers+guide+CLOS	[02:02]
assbot	Object-Oriented Programming in COMMON LISP: A Programmer's Guide to CLOS: Sonya E. Keene: 0785342175899: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1RABHWB )	[02:02]
asciilifeform	^ mega-b00k	[02:02]
asciilifeform	recommended.	[02:02]
trinque	cool.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	i suppose this is when i point out that symbolics co. employed a surprising (to modern reader) number of gurlz	[02:03]
asciilifeform	prior to the 'tournamentization' of the programming trade in usa, it was a perfectly respectable profession	[02:04]
asciilifeform	for all kinds of folks	[02:04]
gabriel_laddel	danielpbarron: asciibooklist is missing "China's Examination Hell: The Civil Service Examinations of Imperial China". It is quite good.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	but it had to be converted to 'let's you all 19 y.o. derps fight to the death over scraps'	[02:04]
asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: missing a fuckton of things, but i was not the one who made the list	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel pretty sure was one about costa rica cocaine being ferried off by us coast guard by the cruiser	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	because the locals don't have an army and happened upon a huge shipment	[02:06]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: I've not read that one.	[02:06]
decimation	asciilifeform: better than 'the art of the metaobject protocol'?	[02:07]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: now that I think about it, you mentioned it in one of the few articles discussing your budding romance with Ar.	[02:07]
asciilifeform	decimation: different subject	[02:07]
asciilifeform	decimation: keene concerns conventional workaday clos	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform minigame is slowly turning into an all girls outfit	[02:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i suspect that once you bugspray the 19yo. pork, a craftsmanship sort of profession would tend to.	[02:08]
scoopbot_revived	A Megaton Load of Grassy Debris http://thewhet.net/2015/a-megaton-load-of-grassy-debris/	[02:08]
asciilifeform	like medicine did in ussr.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha speaking of which.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	holy shit 51k	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	wd hanbot	[02:09]
cazalla	poor pogo must be getting desperate.. offering 30Gb for free now https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/202943	[02:10]
assbot	Pogoplug 30GB Cloud Storage FREE - OzBargain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RACarU )	[02:10]
asciilifeform	l0l	[02:10]
asciilifeform	cazalla: our pogo4 is officially out of print btz	[02:10]
asciilifeform	*btw	[02:10]
hanbot	ty mircea_popescu	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	i think they muyst have meanwhile figured out the "less head more butt meat, stupid!" design principle.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	30gb, z80 cpu	[02:12]
asciilifeform	wake me up when this.	[02:12]
mircea_popescu	hanbot so this is 11 for the little bit turned into what,	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 51000 * 60 * .8	[02:13]
gribble	2448000	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	two and a half mil ?	[02:13]
hanbot	25 for my quality 225 bit, 202 swipe of axe. :D	[02:14]
asciilifeform	anybody notice the blockless hour+ ~2h ago ?	[02:14]
mircea_popescu	so basically 1`000`000% returns. gotta be a record	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yes, but by now this is a weekly thing	[02:15]
asciilifeform	aha	[02:15]
asciilifeform	still gets me tho	[02:15]
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trinque	gabriel_laddel: bought for 9 bucks	[02:16]
trinque	er 13 shipped	[02:17]
gabriel_laddel	trinque: Congrats. It is a lovely book. Simple, to the point, and clearly the product of someone who understood exactly the limitations of their tooling.	[02:20]
gabriel_laddel	ftr, I think the 3 canonical CL books are CLtL2, Keene and Art of the MOP	[02:21]
gabriel_laddel	Would appreciate any input.	[02:21]
trinque	cool, I'll let you know what I think of them.	[02:21]
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ben_vulpes	96.241.120.166:8333 << ah hey!	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	anuzza for my .config	[02:58]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203012 << i suppose, but...the waste is still shortsighted.	[03:02]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 01:37:47; asciilifeform: gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move	[03:02]
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ben_vulpes	i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million. << zeroth to first though...	[03:03]
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ben_vulpes	girl is bolting her dress together tonight	[03:21]
ben_vulpes	rediscovers static friction	[03:21]
ben_vulpes	rediscovered*	[03:21]
ben_vulpes	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203227 << didn't you do these already?	[03:26]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 03:22:53; mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif foxylady says hi.	[03:26]
scoopbot_revived	Gwern Releases 1.5TB DNM Archive, Steps Down As /r/DarkNetMarkets Moderator http://qntra.net/2015/07/gwern-releases-1-5tb-dnm-archive-steps-down-as-rdarknetmarkets-moderator/	[03:43]
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ben_vulpes	any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/	[04:08]
assbot	The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1K8Ndll )	[04:08]
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mircea_popescu	ok ben_vulpes, jus' for you then. http://41.media.tumblr.com/cde5e3b233b4ed7f7d98efcb31f4e3ec/tumblr_mh4wtihA9v1s3kc85o1_1280.jpg	[06:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Mc97qT )	[06:31]
punkman	http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/sex-toys-have-been-mysteriously-appearing-on-power-lines-in-the-us-city-of-portland-oregon-10392252.html	[07:03]
assbot	Sex toys have been mysteriously appearing on power lines in the US city of Portland, Oregon - Weird News - News - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDfw1v )	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	http://33.media.tumblr.com/96f8e81b00bf0618805f7d9fe3af59f6/tumblr_n6543uxBHt1tv5p19o1_400.gif	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	mystery solved.	[07:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1gDfxlX )	[07:04]
punkman	"A spokesman for public utility Portland General Electric said the dildos do not pose a fire hazard."	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	aren't they hot ?	[07:05]
punkman	not hot enough apparently	[07:05]
mircea_popescu	that's refreshing.	[07:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110877 @ 0.00053423 = 59.2338 BTC [+]	[07:07]
punkman	http://www.hudaelislam.org/es/info/fo/alharam/alharam/Mecca-019.jpg	[07:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1DiFnAA )	[07:12]
mircea_popescu	hey, how's greece two days after everyone stopped talking about it ?	[07:13]
punkman	same as last week	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[07:14]
punkman	"Euro Area said to agree in principle to €7bn #Greece bridge loan. Eurozone bridge loan to Greece would be announced tomorrow"	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	"(iii) COLOUR FEELING. The old-style contemptuous attitude towards 'natives' has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned.[Note, below] Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among Englis	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	h intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements."	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	word.	[07:19]
punkman	I'm wondering how they'll limit outgoing transactions if/when banks reopen	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	prolly a 30% tax.	[07:20]
punkman	problem is greece imports too much stuff	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	yes, this is aproblem, but not the way you think.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	if it imported half that much it'd be in much better a shape.	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, 30% tax is what the usians are doing, and there aren't multiple thinkers going in the western world, so.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	"Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes."	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	amusingly, this stupid shit' sapparently a century old.	[07:23]
punkman	older than that	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	ironically, the anthropologic record is unmistakingly opposite : black WOMEN have a lot of sex.	[07:26]
cazalla	ya seen black women lately though? make hottentot look like a size 6	[07:34]
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BingoBoingo	!b 8	[07:35]
assbot	Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0EH7CQR.txt )	[07:35]
mircea_popescu	i have, actually. positively lithe	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	not all black women come from samoa you know.	[07:37]
cazalla	not sure i've even come across samoan/poly/maori women in porn before	[07:41]
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davout	mircea_popescu: ohai plz to x.eur	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	hi there.	[07:43]
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cazalla	http://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/news/news/Provincial/15/07/14/Vancouver_Based_Dating_Site_Plenty_of_Fish_Sold_for_575_Million	[07:45]
assbot	Vancouver-Based Dating Site PlentyofFish Sold for $575 Million ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDhGhI )	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[07:45]
mircea_popescu	no 500 trillion ??!?!	[07:46]
cazalla	"There are an estimated 100,000,000 users on PlentyOfFish." sounds like plenty of fish to me.. anyway this guy use to be a regular on wickedfire.com and got that site started creating fake profiles back in the day	[07:46]
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nubbins`	with ASP.NET technology, no less.	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	ayup	[07:51]
cazalla	ah well good on him, never took the startup route with investors and shit	[07:52]
mircea_popescu	5.75 an user ?	[07:54]
nubbins`	turns out if you wait long enough they'll suck your cock instead of the other way around	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	still seems insane to me.	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` this is possibly the oldest rule in the book.	[07:55]
nubbins`	nod	[07:55]
nubbins`	does the site even make money these days?	[07:55]
nubbins`	used to be free / ad-supported	[07:55]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1123066.0	[07:56]
assbot	❎►฿ Smoothie's Hawaiian Property (gauging interest for now) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQwwap )	[07:56]
nubbins`	hawaii, to me, seems to be a nice place to visit but a really shitty run-down place to live	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	i don't see that it'd make enough to pay for the servers.	[07:56]
nubbins`	sort of like how i imagine florida, complete w/ meth heads	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	all islands suck to live on	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	if you're larger than a rat, at any rate.	[07:57]
nubbins`	heh, tell me about it.	[07:57]
nubbins`	;;google the island of newfoundland	[07:57]
gribble	Newfoundland (island) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Newfoundland and Labrador - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Welcome to Newfoundland :: Where is Newfoundland?:	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	lol	[07:57]
mircea_popescu	isn't onedog of twodogs larger than europe ?	[07:58]
nubbins`	labrador ("the big land" is around 300km^2	[07:58]
nubbins`	newfoundland is 400ish	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	oh that tiny ?	[07:59]
nubbins`	.ro, around 240	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	you mean thousand km^2 ?	[07:59]
nubbins`	hahah. yes. :/	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	aok	[07:59]
nubbins`	nf is notable for being one of very few places in the world which has its own name in the irish language	[08:01]
nubbins`	"talamh an éisc"	[08:01]
nubbins`	the irish, in turn, blessed nf english with such words as "scrob", "streel", and "sleveen"	[08:03]
nubbins`	as well as several bizarre grammatical structures	[08:04]
nubbins`	e.g. "Oh, he's already after leaving"	[08:04]
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nubbins`	jesus. who cares?	[08:06]
nubbins`	hey, steve	[08:06]
HeySteve	hello there	[08:06]
HeySteve	re: plenty of fish - http://postimg.org/image/upib72xjl/	[08:07]
assbot	View image: 11755092 1152768334738729 4554841114117486960 n ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQymYQ )	[08:07]
HeySteve	"there's a bunch of fish in the sea... but how do you catch one if your line's so short!"	[08:07]
mircea_popescu	there's also drinks. http://41.media.tumblr.com/ca7613e9663326cd0ba60becf72f1cb9/tumblr_mxji2civUi1rz73x8o1_1280.jpg	[08:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1HQyQhm )	[08:08]
HeySteve	tasty	[08:11]
nubbins`	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/16/0020246/fbi-helps-shut-down-piracy-sites-in-romania	[08:16]
assbot	FBI Helps Shut Down Piracy Sites In Romania - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQAdN7 )	[08:16]
nubbins`	somewhat more interesting: http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/medical-robots/rewalk-robotics-new-exoskeleton-lets-paraplegic-stroll-the-streets-of-nyc	[08:17]
assbot	ReWalk Robotics's New Exoskeleton Lets Paraplegic Stroll the Streets of NYC - IEEE Spectrum ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQAn7i )	[08:17]
nubbins`	"He got a few curious looks as he strode forward in his sleek black gear, but the fast-walking New Yorkers didn’t slow down or clear space for him."	[08:18]
nubbins`	imagine, midtown manhattan and people didn't clear space for a guy wearing something weird	[08:18]
nubbins`	"The ReWalk 6.0 has a steep list price: US $77,000. Woo said there’s no chance his insurance provider will reimburse him: “They won’t even pay for my wheelchair,” he said."	[08:21]
nubbins`	o.O	[08:21]
nubbins`	america: don't get sick	[08:22]
scoopbot_revived	X.EUR July 16th statement http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-july-16th-statement/	[08:25]
HeySteve	"stair mode hasn’t been approved by U.S. regulators yet, so ReWalks bought here currently have that function blocked."	[08:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 374 @ 0.00395346 = 1.4786 BTC [-] {5}	[08:27]
nubbins`	yeah heh.	[08:28]
nubbins`	canadian regulators apparently DGAF and allow stair mode	[08:28]
nubbins`	"Home cooking is still the best way to control the calories, fat, sugar and other nutrients that families consume, a new U.S. study suggests."	[08:32]
nubbins`	can you purchase forks specifically made for poking eyes out?	[08:32]
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mod6	hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :]	[08:41]
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fluffypony	this is my favourite slide from the Bitcoin Africa conference	[08:59]
fluffypony	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9o88m8gS4#t=4m30s	[08:59]
assbot	Gareth Grobler - New entrants and disruptors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K94YAZ )	[08:59]
fluffypony	I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future	[08:59]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203378 << aha. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-06-2015#1157467 >> it is spiffy, but difficult to build at first	[10:49]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 07:04:39; ben_vulpes: any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/	[10:49]
assbot	Logged on 09-06-2015 02:03:19; asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant'	[10:49]
asciilifeform	it almost succeeds at shooting the very concept of db in the head ('i will do whatever i want to this data structure, and it will still be there if machine resets, without my having mutilated it in any way to make this possible')	[10:51]
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asciilifeform	;;isup qntra.net	[11:01]
gribble	qntra.net is down	[11:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26529 @ 0.00053459 = 14.1821 BTC [+]	[11:05]
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thestringpuller	asciilifeform beat me to it	[11:12]
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asciilifeform	also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support	[11:24]
asciilifeform	mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: we might wanna catch that exception instead of letting it propagate to the 'errors:' buffer	[11:25]
ben_vulpes	indeed	[11:26]
ben_vulpes	achtung, etc	[11:26]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i was nattering to trinque that i wanted a pure lisp database just last night. "here are some CLOS thingers: return me the ones of interest"	[11:26]
asciilifeform	^ elephant	[11:26]
asciilifeform	(the only public example i know of)	[11:27]
asciilifeform	symbolics corp. had some very interesting commercial lisp db, e.g., 'statice'	[11:28]
asciilifeform	but it is now of archaeological interest only	[11:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00052784 = 29.7174 BTC [-] {2}	[11:28]
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asciilifeform	https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics?&sort=-downloads&page=2 << incidentally	[11:31]
assbot	The BITSAVERS.ORG Documents Library: Symbolics : Free Texts : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1McFciw )	[11:31]
ben_vulpes	those manual covers are gorgeous	[11:35]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: apparently no one on the net has the statice book up. so here it is, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/statice.pdf	[11:35]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1McFHZO )	[11:35]
asciilifeform	enough to get a good sense of the flavour.	[11:35]
asciilifeform	re: 'elephant', note that the backend is not pure lisp	[11:36]
asciilifeform	has the consequence of making it a first-class bitch to set up on a given box	[11:37]
asciilifeform	(the ffi crud has to be just-so, etc)	[11:37]
ben_vulpes	neat, ty asciilifeform	[11:42]
ben_vulpes	o rly? what on earth does it need ffi for	[11:42]
asciilifeform	the backend	[11:42]
asciilifeform	bdb	[11:42]
ben_vulpes	aha	[11:42]
ben_vulpes	ever try it with pg?	[11:43]
asciilifeform	https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant << see docs.	[11:43]
assbot	The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u88z )	[11:43]
ben_vulpes	(i can see why a bdb impl would need it)	[11:43]
asciilifeform	it claims to work with pg, but i was never able to achieve this	[11:43]
asciilifeform	worth a shot, if you have a serious use for this	[11:43]
ben_vulpes	making persistent cl objstores sounds seriously useful	[11:44]
ben_vulpes	especially if i can get multi-box access to the data store	[11:44]
ben_vulpes	no shit alex mizrahi's maintains elephant?	[11:45]
ben_vulpes	s/'s//	[11:46]
asciilifeform	whossat	[11:46]
ben_vulpes	colored coins iirc	[11:46]
asciilifeform	never heard of	[11:46]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: looks like they might be two separate people	[11:47]
ben_vulpes	well there's that then	[11:48]
asciilifeform	.. or not	[11:50]
asciilifeform	found at least two of'em	[11:50]
asciilifeform	but one is a journo-spammer and doesn't appear to have any part in software	[11:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31782 @ 0.00053619 = 17.0412 BTC [+] {2}	[11:51]
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mats	http://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/15/how-we-fared-in-the-cyber-grand-challenge	[12:28]
assbot	How We Fared in the Cyber Grand Challenge – Trail of Bits Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1SpuV1a )	[12:28]
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mats	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2egL4y_VpYg	[12:29]
assbot	Bjarne Stroustrup - What – if anything – have we learned from C++? - PLE'15 Keynote/Curry On - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Spv1G1 )	[12:29]
thestringpuller	^^^ trigger warning	[12:30]
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mats	?	[12:54]
mats	ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach	[12:57]
mats	nobody gains anything from a circlejerk about how machines suck	[12:59]
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danielpbarron	my pogo is currently -connect'd to ascii's thing, now is getting blocks in a reasonable timeframe	[14:31]
danielpbarron	i don't think it can fully sync anymore as-is without direct connect to a "blessed" node	[14:31]
danielpbarron	what with this nonStandard tx spam probably being the new norm	[14:32]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: it still wedges?	[14:33]
thestringpuller	(with "normal" nodes)?	[14:33]
danielpbarron	no, but it can't keep up either	[14:33]
danielpbarron	gets bogged down trying to recieve and relay so many spam transactions	[14:34]
thestringpuller	That was happening on my full node too so I had to shut it down.	[14:34]
danielpbarron	the blocks themselves take no more than a few minutes to verify, but it isn't always verifying blocks	[14:34]
danielpbarron	i think much of the issue is solved with BingoBoingo's patch that lets 0.5.3 bitcoin.conf have a line defining the minimum tx fee for relaying	[14:35]
thestringpuller	Does it max on it's bandwidth or is it slow in "verifying" new tx's?	[14:35]
danielpbarron	i don't know enough to answer that, but i doubt it's bandwidth	[14:36]
danielpbarron	although come to think of it, my home internet did seem kinda sluggish as of late	[14:36]
thestringpuller	Also I thought if your mempool doesn't match another node's that node will isolate you.	[14:36]
danielpbarron	could be coincidence, like summer people on vacation flooding my shared cable lines	[14:36]
danielpbarron	hah like i care what non foundation nodes do	[14:37]
danielpbarron	all i care is, do other 0.5.3.1 nodes like me? ok good.	[14:37]
thestringpuller	0.5.3.1 nodes are sleeper cells atm too, (vis-a-vis ascii's node being recognized by bitnodes.io)	[14:38]
thestringpuller	I found that during the "spam attack" my node was using almost 90% of it's upstream bandwidth relaying transactions.	[14:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00054542 = 22.5258 BTC [+] {2}	[14:41]
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BingoBoingo	https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NSA-KDBUS-Credentials	[15:16]
assbot	The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1OhdYFA )	[15:16]
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trinque	"Why don't you let people define their own abstractions, and put the abstraction mechanism into the language?"	[15:29]
trinque	from Stroustrup talk	[15:29]
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ben_vulpes	kill the mempool, kill the relay	[15:37]
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Naphex	Will be launching a non x-rated Xotika.TV spin-off called otika.tv. For whatever people wanna stream that doesn't need lots of disclaimers ;]	[15:51]
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ben_vulpes	;;ticker	[15:58]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 275.85, Best ask: 275.86, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 275.85, 24 hour volume: 53972.57780706, 24 hour low: 275.21, 24 hour high: 295.0, 24 hour vwap: None	[15:58]
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jurov	danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: wd, pogos arrived complete with "no customs duty" sticker	[16:24]
danielpbarron	yay	[16:24]
jurov	daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back	[16:24]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[16:25]
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ascii_field	congrats jurov, danielpbarron	[16:25]
kakobrekla	did you ship them disassembled?	[16:26]
danielpbarron	i did, yes	[16:26]
*	trinque just brought "monolith" up on gentoo	[16:27]
trinque	so much room for blockchainz	[16:27]
BingoBoingo	kill the mempool, kill the relay << On some level relay is still necessary.	[16:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14090 @ 0.0005475 = 7.7143 BTC [+]	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	jurov cool, have fun	[17:08]
trinque	http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us/chattanooga-tennessee-shooting.html << another one went pop	[17:09]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSkEoj )	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203485 << nuts huh	[17:13]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 11:38:13; mod6: hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :]	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203490 << can it be text summary or image ? youtube decided to cease working on non-retarded systems meanwhile.	[17:14]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 11:56:10; fluffypony: I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203504 << right.	[17:15]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	should insta-ban a node sending that, just waste of bw.	[17:15]
mats	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/intel-confirms-tick-tock-shattering-kaby-lake-processor-as-moores-law-falters/	[17:15]
assbot	Intel confirms tick-tock-shattering Kaby Lake processor as Moore’s Law falters \| Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1gE8r0K )	[17:15]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[17:16]
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mircea_popescu	aww!	[17:18]
diametric	hmm my bouncer is terrible	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	who was arguing the point with me, decimation ?	[17:18]
thestringpuller	but i'll email you as soon as I get to my home machine. probably will boot it up tonight instead of reading comics.	[17:18]
diametric	i explicitly use it to save pms, and it fails at it.	[17:18]
thestringpuller	Booooo. irssi stop spamming channel	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	what's that schmuck's handle	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	;;seen gavinanderssen	[17:19]
gribble	I have not seen gavinanderssen.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	;;google gavin the bitcoin shithead	[17:19]
gribble	The Bitcoin Dumping Charade \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: ; "The Bitcoin protocol doesn't exist." : Bitcoin - Reddit: ; ELI5: If Bitcoin is decentralized, why are there centralized people in ...: (1 more message)	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	sucks trying to talk to the anon herd already.	[17:20]
mod6	<+jurov> daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back << :>	[17:20]
thestringpuller	;;seen gavinandressen	[17:20]
gribble	I have not seen gavinandressen.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	;;seen GavinAndresen	[17:20]
gribble	GavinAndresen was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: I’ve gotta go. Pierre_Rochard, nice chatting with you.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	aha	[17:20]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: as of this morning, 'zoolag' was fully synced and happily serving 40 or so connections	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell gavinandresen how's the moore law coming along, shithead ?	[17:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:20]
mod6	ascii_field: cool!	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field good. i still can't get my nodes to eat the block in question.	[17:22]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i suppose when you quit using that thing and post the src, i will be able to tell you why !	[17:22]
mod6	<< nuts huh << off of a Tiny, with 1 BON!! that's one for the books	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	myeah. you got better stuff to do.	[17:23]
ascii_field	it'd take all of half an hour. but anyway.	[17:24]
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nubbins`	https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3di6zc/nick_szabos_hidden_work/ct5fk9s	[17:28]
assbot	mike_hearn comments on Nick Szabo's hidden work ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSoc9Z )	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	the big problem intel faces is that in a world where you can get a billion dollars for free just for being where the pellet landed in iraq,	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	it makes very little sense to actually bother even trying to get the fine shit alligned	[17:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9003 @ 0.00054649 = 4.92 BTC [-]	[17:29]
nubbins`	"And the defect rate is particularly notable; at inception the software was unusually free of defect. Unlike many other initial Bitcoin packages which in their first releases were full of crashes and deadlocks Bitcoin was nearly free of them. Most of the serious bugs fixed subsequently were added by other people."	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[17:30]
nubbins`	^ guy disagreeing with hearn's opinion that satoshi's code was diarrhoea splatter	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	"other people"	[17:30]
nubbins`	heheheheh.	[17:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26680 @ 0.00054649 = 14.5804 BTC [-]	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	they were added by you (ie, hearn), and by gavin and so on.	[17:30]
nubbins`	l'enfer	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	anyway. the claim is not that the original code is bad as in, bad penmanship. the claim is that the original code is no good as in, not sane design. this is consistent with a prototype and not particularly reflective on the capacity of the author.	[17:31]
nubbins`	yup	[17:31]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.0005475 = 15.0836 BTC [+]	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	the chicken scriblings coming after were originally excused under the "they're kids and they mean well" header.	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile, it became apparent that they're not kids but actually mentally retarded, and they certainly do not mean well.	[17:32]
BingoBoingo	Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support << From my limited understanding it isn't Phoundation nodes, but SPV shit running Hearnia's BitcoinJ doing that	[17:33]
BingoBoingo	Phoundation nodes just respond	[17:33]
ascii_field	BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0037.mediawiki << apparently	[17:34]
assbot	bips/bip-0037.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSpl1h )	[17:34]
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nubbins`	http://imgur.com/a/xRHwZ	[17:35]
assbot	Box I found in my apartment - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSptOs )	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203555 << these are separate issues. whether love or hate and whether curiosity or uncuriosity are perfectly orthogonal concerns. you can be lovingly uncurious, you can be hatefully curious, and the other two combos as well.	[17:35]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 15:54:23; mats: ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	moreover, and more importantly, other than the "palatable" part, which is entirely your own aesthetic judgement, i'd like some substantiation as to the "nobody gains" part. how do you know this ?	[17:35]
ascii_field	nubbins`: yours? they look like cheapo surplus 9mm luger	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	as best i can discern atm, a curiosity steeped in burning hate is by far the best approach when dealing with maggot swamps.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	such as you know, things written by english native speakers.	[17:36]
ascii_field	this is the kind of field i refer to as 'of entomological interest'	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	i imagined so.	[17:41]
ascii_field	'who said lawyer cannot be an anarchist? must a doctor love disease?' (eben moglen, rms's lawyer)	[17:41]
nubbins`	ascii_field not mine	[17:42]
nubbins`	i don't have w/e paperwork is required to purchase guns or ammo	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	well, the role of b-a in most people's lives at this point is i suppose this critical if at times forcible examination of mental habits and automatisms they hold dear unexamidely.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	ironically, half the time this happens in response to someone asking b-a to stop being so radically self-centered.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the root is, i suppose, the unwarranted expectation that choice predates existence, and that it necessarily is (not even by god's grace or anything, but immediately) accessible to "thinking people" which the subject will always see himself as. consequently, given that choice predates existence, and given that it is necessarily accessible, it then follows that one may only be informed by things one approves of.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	so you know, if you decide you hate it then you couldn't possibly (in this worldview) ever learn anything from it, or even examine it critically.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	so the doctor example is particularly cogent. the doctor, and more generally the scholar (called scientist these days) is the person whose curiosity is inflamed by what makes others puke.	[17:46]
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mircea_popescu	a rare enough trait, which is why periods of abundance do not increase the population.	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[17:46]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[17:47]
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ascii_field	think of the fella who first loaded own spoodge onto a microscope slide.	[17:47]
ascii_field	(fairly arbitrary example)	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	things like how trilema shapes the future irrespective of how many derps deem themselves to be "offended" by it and attempt in their meagre way to resist are obviously not well explained by that theory.	[17:48]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine general's problem	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	oh ok...	[17:56]
mats	it is certainly an aesthetic concern	[18:00]
mats	and here is why: i don't think its possible to be a good reverse engineer when you approach odd design choices with contempt rather than curiousity.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	do you suppose torquemada was the worst anatomist of his age, because unlike the other jews, he was contempt-powered ?	[18:01]
mats	because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did	[18:01]
trinque	mats: sure you can; you never smelled something even though you already knew it was rotten?	[18:01]
trinque	there's humor in that	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	mats so anecdotally ?	[18:02]
mats	yes.	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, the reverse case can also be made. no mother i ever met was actually aware how shitty her offspring was.	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	and i do mean this no. prolly met more mothers than you met reverse engineers, too.	[18:03]
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mircea_popescu	anyway. historically there's no impact. for many years teachers soundly and loudly despised their pupils. this resulted in a large mass of insecure, neurotic schmucks, freud fodder. for some years now teachers loudly and perhaps soundly love their pupils. outside of a few cases of coabitation which are apparently a criminal offense for some contorted reason (what sense does it make, you asked them to love the kids didn	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	't ya ?!), the result is a lot of obnoxious, self-centered, lazy twerps.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	the proportion of actual humans coming out, about the same throughout.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	it just doesn't matter, imo.	[18:06]
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nubbins`	<+mats> because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did <<< those who think they know X have those who know X outnumbered hundreds of millions to one	[18:10]
mats	if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	this is universally a bad habit anyway. heck, not doing THAT is even in the rules, such as they are.	[18:11]
mats	it stinks of intellectual laziness	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	the only problem is that you can't have people mechanically NOT follow their betters just to maintain the shattered scabbard of an "intellectual independence" they do not actually possess.	[18:12]
nubbins`	heh.	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	in short, unpalatable as this is, im afraid it'd be a field where no formal examination is possible.	[18:12]
ascii_field	who is surprised by this ?	[18:13]
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trinque	ftr I listened to the talk; the way the man thinks is a perfect representative of a mind which makes incremental changes based on "real world pragmatism" without ever reviewing the whole history of the field and designing from that perspective.	[18:14]
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trinque	I deeply and passionately resent everyone in the field which put systems such as these in my lap and told me they were "industry standards" and so on	[18:15]
trinque	and am glad I didn't waste more of my career.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	yet most of everything that works was built by people doing the incremental bs.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	the other sort broadly make titanics.	[18:16]
*	ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	i think actually curtis yarvin is a very fine example of what's the problem with derps "reviewing the whole history"	[18:16]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: titanic is the quintessential 'industry standard' - recall the piece re: the officers ?	[18:16]
trinque	mircea_popescu: I see that point too	[18:17]
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ascii_field	mircea_popescu: the problem lies with 'derps' not with the 'rewrite'	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field beheading the popist priests will not banish gluttony from your lands, kind sire.	[18:17]
ascii_field	does not follow that the heads ought to stay on; gluttony no - simony - yes	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	neither.	[18:18]
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mircea_popescu	but yes, it does not follow that the heads ought to stay on.	[18:18]
ascii_field	!s lightoller	[18:19]
assbot	5 results for 'lightoller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lightoller	[18:19]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2014#921779 << old thread	[18:19]
assbot	Logged on 14-11-2014 19:27:19; asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, “the experience of years” and “what we have always done” outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.'	[18:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21789 @ 0.00054649 = 11.9075 BTC [-]	[18:26]
punkman	ascii_field, what did Lightoller do?	[18:26]
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mircea_popescu	well he didnb't MAKE the titanic, in any case.	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	he just got stuck trying to make it work afterwards, and got his ears nailed to the headboard when he couldn't.	[18:29]
ascii_field	he was the one fella who got nailed 'for buying ibm'	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	at the one time when buying ibm was actually the rigfht move.	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	nothing matches the perversity of justice.	[18:34]
ascii_field	why the right move?	[18:34]
ascii_field	i dun see it	[18:34]
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punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdRycY2Xtg4	[18:38]
assbot	Angela Merkel tells sobbing asylum seeker why she cannot stay in Germany - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9ObxF )	[18:38]
mircea_popescu	because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	"During the following 24 hour period, our CRS was able to identify vulnerabilities in 65 of those programs and rewrite 94 of them to eliminate bugs built in their code. This proves, without a doubt, that it is not only possible but achievable to automate the actions of a talented software auditor."	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	doesn't this prove without a doubt that half the bugs were left behind ?	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	ah what the hell, i'll bite.	[19:14]
mats	well, yeah. its a hard problem	[19:14]
mats	black box and all	[19:15]
ascii_field	wai wut	[19:15]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203713 << allow me to please you by pointing out that in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1201884 and similar, you actually misrepresent the strategic situation by failing to look at the whole history :D	[19:16]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 21:12:54; *: ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match	[19:16]
assbot	Logged on 15-07-2015 02:55:29; asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys'	[19:16]
mats	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203548	[19:16]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 15:25:02; mats: http://blog.trailofbits.com/2015/07/15/how-we-fared-in-the-cyber-grand-challenge	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	specifically what i mean is this :	[19:16]
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mircea_popescu	the satoshi hoard poses very little threat to bitcoin as is. the real threat is, an ~ACTUAL~ bitcoin client emerging, that's thje actual son of the original, not a bastardized clump of nonsense.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	signed by the right key.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	normally the switchover from prototype to actual product might have needed a little prodding, so reserve funds make sense, yes.	[19:17]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i wouldn't presume to be the only one pushing the heresy, no	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	but in actual fact the usg idiots have done such a good job at burying themselves, that it likely wouldn't even be needed, today.	[19:17]
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mircea_popescu	"orthodoxy" is such a laughingstock people'd just switch with a sigh of relief.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	ya see ?	[19:17]
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mircea_popescu	you never can know whether you have or have not considered "the history", for the plain reason that history is something you only know once it no longer matters	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	(formally, once it no longer can be used to make predictions)	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[19:18]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[19:18]
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*	ascii_field a little confused. possibly from too much x86 asm today	[19:18]
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ascii_field	what is it that people would switch to ?	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	satoshi's own bitcoin 1.0	[19:19]
ascii_field	built with vs, aha	[19:20]
ascii_field	hurry, switch.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[19:20]
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mircea_popescu	about the messiah, no factual claims may be made :)	[19:21]
ascii_field	the more i work with the eldritch horror, the less respect i have for this 'messiah'	[19:21]
gabriel_laddel	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203738 << uh, try reading up on the titanic crash?	[19:21]
assbot	Logged on 16-07-2015 21:39:10; mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel what specifically ?	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field nevertheless, the strategic considerations involved are what they are.	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	the very notable reserve power behind it all is not the hoard.	[19:22]
ascii_field	gabriel_laddel: aha, lightoller did his thing ~long before~ the ship began to sink	[19:22]
ascii_field	before it hit the ice.	[19:22]
gabriel_laddel	ascii_field: yep.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	wasn't he the guy organising the raft boats ?	[19:23]
gabriel_laddel	there was one man who wanted to prosecute the IBM fella, and I can't remember his name...	[19:23]
ascii_field	http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf << original article	[19:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1gEijrg )	[19:23]
gabriel_laddel	exact article I was thinking of	[19:24]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: what is the 'reserve power' here ?	[19:24]
gabriel_laddel	mats: don't be shy, name names! Who in here is faking their hatred?	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	"here is the new bitcoin"	[19:24]
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ascii_field	if it is the intellectual authority behind satoshi's key, i must confess i have my doubts	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	combined with the hoard you may keep your doubtrs	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	but as things stand today, after two years of idiocy from the stooge camp, your doubts would be a weak minority even without it.	[19:25]
ascii_field	so mircea_popescu would run a festering heap of shit like bitcoin 0.1, so long as it were signed with satoshi ?	[19:28]
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gabriel_laddel	http://www.shagbase.com/one-piece-off-ass/ << lovely captions	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	no.	[19:29]
assbot	Shagbase - One Piece of Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1gEiN0p )	[19:29]
ascii_field	i'll confess that my first thought, if anything were ever to appear signed with satoshi's key, that he has finally been found, killed, and usgificated.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	depends what it says.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	there is no structural way to scoure a message outside of it.	[19:30]
ascii_field	well yes.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	moreover : the solution to the challenge is plainly there.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	~that~ is what the hoard is for.	[19:30]
ascii_field	but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~	[19:31]
ascii_field	vs merely a club.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	anyway. ima be off ot eat.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	we can continue later!	[19:31]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2601&pr=0	[20:11]
assbot	JL: Your Stolen Man Song ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxTq9g )	[20:11]
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BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_dushenski Easy mode is the only real way to play most new "AAA" games while determining which of one's failures are due to the game's inherent challenge vs. The game being an unfinished piece of shit	[20:48]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:48]
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danielpbarron	!up popmechanic	[21:14]
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BingoBoingo	Hello popmechanic	[21:15]
popmechanic	Greetings:)	[21:15]
BingoBoingo	Hello	[21:17]
BingoBoingo	Anything in particular bring you here today?	[21:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68600 @ 0.00052484 = 36.004 BTC [-]	[21:19]
BingoBoingo	Avalon Jeff falls to senility https://archive.is/L3paQ	[21:20]
assbot	SwagPokerz comments on BIP 102: Increase block size limit to 2MB on Nov 11, 2015. by jgarzik · Pull Request #6451 · bitcoin/bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oih8ZJ )	[21:20]
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popmechanic	Michael Goldstein referenced this channel on Twitter today. I hadn’t heard of it and am interested in Bitcoin so I thought I’d lurk for, oh, 6 months or so;)	[21:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68194 @ 0.00054844 = 37.4003 BTC [+] {2}	[21:29]
BingoBoingo	popmechanic: Sounds like a solid plan. Probably would be prudent to register. The you can self voice to ask questions. WHen asking questions you will probably get links which will lead you to the golden six months of logs to read.	[21:29]
Adlai	!h	[21:30]
assbot	http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot	[21:30]
popmechanic	!register 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF	[21:37]
assbot	Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF. This may take a few moments.	[21:37]
assbot	Key C6E7BDCF / "keybase.io/marcusestes " successfully imported.	[21:37]
assbot	Registration successful.	[21:37]
mats	oh lawd	[21:37]
mats	does keybase have your private key, popmechanic?	[21:37]
popmechanic	no	[21:37]
mats	ok good	[21:37]
BingoBoingo	popmechanic: DO you work for Keybase or do they just offer email addy's at their domain.	[21:38]
danielpbarron	that means his key was generated in web browser via javascript, I think	[21:39]
popmechanic	Apparently they just offer email addresses? Not sure, first time I’ve used the service. I totally understand and am prepared to agree with a predjudice against a service like this, because they’re going to end up sitting on private keys. But it’s optional, and actually a pretty handy way to manage a few aspects of PGP management.	[21:40]
popmechanic	Correct, I believe the key is generated client side.	[21:40]
trinque	eh if it was generated in a browser it's still unsafe	[21:41]
trinque	how can you be sure you're running the JS they intended? (or that their JS intends well)	[21:41]
danielpbarron	it is possible to make your own key offline through keybase but I just don't see the point	[21:41]
BingoBoingo	popmechanic: What OS are you on? Javascript RNGs are notoriously unsafe. As unsafe as Pirate Party RNGs	[21:41]
popmechanic	Mac OS	[21:42]
mats	popmechanic: piling on a bit here, but i suggest running it through Phuctor, a service that attempts to factor keys with weak moduli -- http://nosuchlabs.com	[21:42]
BingoBoingo	popmechanic: Do you run Mac Ports?	[21:43]
mats	to date, Phuctor has broken 300+ keys. see: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats	[21:43]
popmechanic	I do, yes.	[21:43]
BingoBoingo	popmechanic: Build GPG, preferably a 1.4.x series version and do the key generation thing again	[21:44]
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Adlai	mats: i'm not sure you're reading that quite right	[21:48]
BingoBoingo	mats: Phuctor broke 95. The duplicate modulus is a different kind of warning than broken	[21:49]
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danielpbarron	!up hazirafel	[21:57]
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mats	oops	[22:04]
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BingoBoingo	mats: happens	[22:04]
scoopbot_revived	Limits of Moore's Law Challenge Intel - Questions About Future Performance http://qntra.net/2015/07/limits-of-moores-law-challenge-intel-questions-about-future-performance/	[22:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00054866 = 28.9418 BTC [+]	[22:10]
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asciilifeform	received block 0000000000000000123a	[22:19]
asciilifeform	REORGANIZE	[22:19]
asciilifeform	l0l	[22:19]
BingoBoingo	https://voat.co/v/bitcoin/comments/295882	[22:20]
assbot	Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBU4AC )	[22:20]
BingoBoingo	OH SHIT REORG	[22:20]
asciilifeform	eh, sop	[22:21]
asciilifeform	just lulzy to see it when i randomly chanced to look at the latest crud scrolling by.	[22:22]
asciilifeform	sorta like phosphenes	[22:22]
asciilifeform	normally those happen once in a blue moon, largely for entirely harmless reasons, but,	[22:22]
asciilifeform	when one is being irradiated to death, sees quite a few of'em	[22:23]
asciilifeform	(or so i was told)	[22:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162500 @ 0.00052823 = 85.8374 BTC [-]	[22:24]
BingoBoingo	This is indeed an irradiating time	[22:25]
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BingoBoingo	!up TheRealJohnGalt	[22:28]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Telco+214+Inc/@28.04003,-80.595088,3a,75y,3.38h,89.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1supX6Yd_ND2dyvMRDvs96Yw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x88de12494bab5cdb:0x6c83f4d824af9701!6m1!1e1?hl=en << usg miner	[22:31]
assbot	Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zkGj )	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: That's a big dish	[22:33]
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asciilifeform	http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-206-397-1975/4#p633425372283376590 << also lulzy rumour turd re: 'telco 214'	[22:36]
assbot	Getting calls from 206-397-1975? 4/9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zJZr )	[22:36]
asciilifeform	;;later tell mircea_popescu didja ever write a piece about bernie cornfeld (1927-1995) ?	[22:41]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:41]
decimation	what does this 'reorg' business imply	[22:46]
asciilifeform	forklet	[22:47]
asciilifeform	more lulz, http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/SearchResultDetail?inquirytype=EntityName&directionType=Initial&searchNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471&aggregateId=domp-p97000056647-66b1a73f-30ca-492d-9daf-a39cf89e72cb&searchTerm=Telco%20214%20Us%2C%20Inc.&listNameOrder=TELCO214US%20P970000566471	[22:50]
assbot	Detail by Entity Name ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3ANwq )	[22:50]
asciilifeform	and in particular, http://search.sunbiz.org/Inquiry/CorporationSearch/ConvertTiffToPDF?storagePath=COR1%5C2003%5C0421%5C80916068.Tif&documentNumber=P97000056647	[22:50]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J3AOjK )	[22:50]
asciilifeform	amendment. change name from 'IBSA, US, Inc' to 'Telco 214 US, Inc'. March 13, '03	[22:51]
asciilifeform	neither had any detectable public presence.	[22:52]
asciilifeform	(other than the earlier link)	[22:52]
decimation	asciilifeform: what do these companies do?	[22:53]
asciilifeform	reminiscent of nothing more than the faux airlines used by cia	[22:53]
asciilifeform	decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash.	[22:54]
decimation	lulz	[22:54]
asciilifeform	(why not parcel it through sp4mz0rpr0x13z!!111 like everybody else? damned if i know)	[22:54]
mats	heh, how did you come upon this?	[22:57]
decimation	https://www.google.com/maps/place/2571+Kirby+Cir+NE,+Palm+Bay,+FL+32905 < check out their 'principle place of business' listed in their annual report	[22:57]
assbot	Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kaa5AY )	[22:57]
asciilifeform	mats: sheer accident	[22:57]
asciilifeform	decimation: linked earlier	[22:57]
decimation	massive satellite dishes, multiple	[22:57]
*	assbot removes voice from TheRealJohnGalt	[22:58]
decimation	biggest one is 12m according to google earth	[22:59]
asciilifeform	http://whomined.com/#miner/37	[23:00]
*	asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this survey, but it is not uninteresting	[23:00]
asciilifeform	http://cpsociety.org/thomas-ndomb << lulzy. the one other public mention of 'telco 214' i've found so far.	[23:02]
assbot	Thomas Ndomb « Cameroon Professional Society (CPS) Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaaNhq )	[23:02]
asciilifeform	https://openvpn.net/index.php/about-menu/advisory-board.html << and.	[23:04]
assbot	Advisory Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab2cj )	[23:04]
mats	http://defcon.ws luls	[23:04]
assbot	DEF CON Cancellation: An Open Letter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab5oK )	[23:04]
decimation	lemme see if I can figure out which satellite the minor dishes are pointed at	[23:04]
asciilifeform	'Mr. Haba was Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Telco 214, an emerging leader in the international voice market that was successful in winning large market share from AT&T, MCI and Sprint. Mr. Haba began his career at Symetrics Industries, a publicly traded defense communications and computer telephony integrator....'	[23:04]
asciilifeform	^ the fl gov paperwork mentions haba	[23:04]
asciilifeform	he was one of the two founding partners.	[23:05]
mats	"I believe that we are in a post-hacker world ... We should strive to be professionals, making the Internet a safer place rather than exposing vulnerabilities that can be leveraged by criminals and terrorists. This is why I'm going to encourage you to attend professional security conferences like Black Hat, RSA, SANS and others"	[23:05]
asciilifeform	l0l!!	[23:05]
asciilifeform	Had Problemz!!	[23:05]
asciilifeform	'Professionals have professional credentials. If you want to participate in the security industry, you should obtain the appropriate certifications. ISC2, SANS, EC-Council and many vendors offer well regarded security certifications. '	[23:06]
asciilifeform	'I know there has been concerning news about the NSA overstepping its bounds regarding data collection and the US government's lack of action. I have worked closely with many government officials. What may appear as an erosion of our constitutional rights, are actually programs critically important to the safety of our country. Without the NSA data gathering programs, there would have already been a "Cyber 9/11". Unfortunately	[23:06]
asciilifeform	, I can't reveal the details to support this statement but, knowing my honestly and character, you'll have to take me at my word. '	[23:06]
asciilifeform	trol0l0l0l	[23:06]
mats	DEFCON is not canceled, this is satire, for any casual observers	[23:06]
asciilifeform	took me 30 sec or so	[23:06]
asciilifeform	my first hypothesis was 'fella got truecrypted'	[23:07]
decimation	asciilifeform: the northern two dishes appear to be pointed toward a heading of 107 degrees (true)	[23:08]
decimation	that would line them up with Intelsat 905	[23:08]
asciilifeform	l0l!	[23:08]
asciilifeform	!b 3	[23:09]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3KZ6Y7E.txt )	[23:09]
decimation	it's easier than you would think to figure this out http://www.dishpointer.com/	[23:09]
assbot	Satellite Finder / Dish Alignment Calculator with Google Maps \| DishPointer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KabFTs )	[23:09]
decimation	could also be SES-4	[23:09]
asciilifeform	it is not difficult, where i come from it was done with paper and pen	[23:09]
decimation	unfortunately the 12 meter dish is pointing up (probably 'safed') so I can't determine its bearing	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00054878 = 28.5914 BTC [+] {2}	[23:09]
asciilifeform	not like you can hide a four-tonne tub of shit in orbit	[23:09]
decimation	at any rate here's its orbital footprint http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/footprints/Intelsat-905-Global.html	[23:11]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1KabY0k )	[23:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43414 @ 0.00055299 = 24.0075 BTC [+] {2}	[23:11]
asciilifeform	consistent with 'spam phones for africa'	[23:11]
decimation	it has spot beams that cover africa, europe - and here's its 'public transponder listing' http://www.lyngsat.com/Intelsat-905.html	[23:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1J3CzgW )	[23:12]
asciilifeform	(the nominal business profile, to the extent one is known)	[23:12]
decimation	http://www.loral.com/inthenews/020605.html "Each of the new Intelsat IX series satellites carries 76 C-band and 22 Ku-band operating transponders (in 36 MHz equivalents), and its solar arrays will generate more than 8.6 kilowatts of power (beginning of life)."	[23:14]
assbot	LORAL-BUILT INTELSAT 905 TELECOMMUNICATIONS SATELLITE SUCCESSFULLY LAUNCHED ... ( http://bit.ly/1KacmMu )	[23:14]
decimation	plenty of bandwidth for an african isp	[23:14]
asciilifeform	sounds like they're speaking of analogue bandwidth, to be fair	[23:15]
decimation	yes, of course	[23:15]
decimation	but they typically use 8 or 4 psk in those analog segments	[23:16]
asciilifeform	from 'intelsat' www, it would appear that they serve nigerian sp4mz0r and homeland severity alike	[23:17]
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decimation	the lyngsat page says that at least two of the 30 MHz transponders are dedicated to AOL	[23:18]
decimation	employing "ACM" which apparently switches between 4psk and 16 qam, which would allow a gross throughput of approx 60-120 megabit/sec	[23:19]
decimation	per 30 mhz channel	[23:19]
decimation	now, if these folks are running miners, the question is 'why over sat link'	[23:21]
asciilifeform	https://ipinfo.io/AS35863	[23:21]
assbot	AS35863 Telco 214, Inc. - ipinfo.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3DgqG )	[23:21]
asciilifeform	and who said it was over satlink	[23:21]
decimation	well, that office doesn't look like a very big data center	[23:21]
decimation	also, did you note the military looking vehicles in their parking lot?	[23:22]
asciilifeform	i only see ordinary cars	[23:23]
asciilifeform	4 of'em	[23:24]
asciilifeform	(google 'street' dated april '11)	[23:24]
decimation	no, look in the back of the lot	[23:25]
decimation	you can see on streeview from the east side	[23:25]
asciilifeform	link?	[23:25]
decimation	I donno if you can link streetview	[23:25]
asciilifeform	sure you can	[23:25]
decimation	https://www.google.com/maps/@28.04002,-80.594633,3a,15y,350.65h,88.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szEyWP8_Z1sLrfJUNbmMH6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656	[23:27]
assbot	Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kae1l2 )	[23:27]
asciilifeform	l0l aha	[23:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35512 @ 0.00055305 = 19.6399 BTC [+]	[23:29]
asciilifeform	https://www.google.com/maps/place/Telco+214+Inc/@28.0411393,-80.5949096,217m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x6c83f4d824af9701!6m1!1e1	[23:31]
assbot	Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaezY6 )	[23:31]
asciilifeform	entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus.	[23:31]
decimation	yeah, that's my first guess too	[23:32]
decimation	an odd business anyway	[23:32]
decimation	it's odd they have such a massive dish too	[23:32]
asciilifeform	i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it	[23:32]
decimation	it's possible they use the massive dish to hit geo stuff that's very low on the horizon	[23:33]
decimation	but that dish would cost a couple $ mil easy	[23:33]
decimation	one wild theory: this isp and its hangers-on are 'owned' by some tinpot dictator in africa	[23:34]
decimation	who also has access to 'free' electricity - which he uses to mine	[23:34]
decimation	nigeria, for example, is drowning in cheap crude oil - could be 'diverted' to power someone's bitcoin mining operation	[23:36]
decimation	for what reason God only knows	[23:36]
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BingoBoingo	entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus. << I remember in the old Tom Clancy novels his various supposed NatSec agencies being funded by "spamzors" and their financial equivalent.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not afaik.	[23:39]
BingoBoingo	i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it << Truck like that keeps itself	[23:39]
decimation	??? how	[23:40]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: How does truck keep self?	[23:43]
decimation	yeah? rusts, burns oil	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	crude oil is not realy useful to power an electric plant.	[23:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144950 @ 0.00054623 = 79.176 BTC [-] {4}	[23:45]
decimation	sure, if you don't give a shit about nasty emissions	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	nah. gotta appreciate, power plants are products of industry like anything else	[23:45]
mircea_popescu	plenty of models made to run onm the heavy stuff left after gas distillation	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	none of them run on crude, not since 1880 at any rate.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	putting gasoline in a diesel engine is not unlike putting crude oil in a tar or coal plant.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	and obv the naturasl gas models won't burn it	[23:46]
BingoBoingo	decimation: I was more thinking about how such vehicles create space for themselves.	[23:47]
decimation	mircea_popescu: ships, big power plants run on heavy fuel oil	[23:49]
BingoBoingo	Sure, but heavy oil is not crude	[23:50]
decimation	www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/100439/ < they literally refine it in jungle conditions	[23:52]
TomServo	In other news, I noticed this blurb on the OpenBSD octeon page today: "In June 2015 USB support was added which finally allowed installing to local disk on machines lacking a CF slot."	[23:52]
BingoBoingo	TomServo: Cool	[23:52]
decimation	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-07-2015#1195719	[23:53]
assbot	Logged on 09-07-2015 21:57:04; decimation: https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg138968.html < ah well then I am pleased to annouce that apparently openbsd will be supporting oceton usb in the very near future	[23:53]
TomServo	The docs don't exactly reflect it, but I can confirm the snapshot of 5.8 does see and boot from usb.	[23:53]
decimation	TomServo: did you install directly onto usb?	[23:53]
BingoBoingo	Nice, made it in before 5.8 hit Beta this week	[23:53]
decimation	or did you write image from another computer?	[23:53]
TomServo	Booted via tftp, installed from there	[23:54]
decimation	ah, thanks for the good report	[23:54]
TomServo	np	[23:54]
TomServo	excited to have just gotten my first console on the edgerouter	[23:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70789 @ 0.00055363 = 39.1909 BTC [+] {2}	[23:55]
decimation	so the 5.8 release will probably be in the autumn sometime?	[23:58]
decimation	http://www.utahrails.net/up/bunker-c.php < interesting discussion on bunker-c fuel oil	[23:58]
assbot	Union Pacific, Bunker 'C' ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkAA2 )	[23:58]
TomServo	November, if I recall correctly.	[23:58]
decimation	"Most oil-fired steam locomotives used Bunker C, although in some parts of the country they actually burned raw crude oil. As noted before, Bunker C was readily available and dirt cheap. (Steve Lee, April 18, 2000, via email to The Streamliner discussion group)"	[23:58]

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