Forum logs for 14 Dec 2018
| feedbot: | http://bimbo.club/?p=105 << Bimbo.Club -- TMSR Log Summary - 11/22/2018 | [00:31] |
| asciilifeform: | http://trilema.com/forum-logs-for-13-dec-2018#2504478 << on 2nd thought, 'no reported breaches' could mean 1 of 2 things ! | [13:23] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-12-14 01:57 mircea_popescu: tbh, a recuperative scholarly series on sns would be most apt use of scholar's time. | [13:23] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and not necessarily the 1 implied by commenter.. ) | [13:24] |
| asciilifeform: | in exactly same way that 'no reported thefts of gold from ft.knox' can mean 1 of 2 things. | [13:25] |
| asciilifeform: | ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660268 ) | [13:26] |
| a111: | Logged on 2017-05-23 02:41 asciilifeform: per dijkstra's 'testing can demonstrate the presence of bugs, but never their absence' | [13:26] |
| feedbot: | http://qntra.net/2018/12/germany-changes-sex-entries-in-birth-registry-to-add-third-diverse-option/ << Qntra -- Germany Changes Sex Entries In Birth Registry To Add Third "Diverse" Option | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu: | hey, wasn't proclaimed the golden veal. merely worth documenting. | [14:24] |
| mircea_popescu: | since we're apparently all into bolixology or w/e you'd call it. | [14:24] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: believe or not, bolix aint even the least-gettable old/interesting comp | [14:27] |
| asciilifeform: | e.g. xerox lispm is rarer still ( and had own merits, which i pieced together 100% from docs and surviving photos and won't even go into in depth because approx as questionable as archaeology of merv... ) | [14:28] |
| asciilifeform: | lotsa ancient artifacts are imho worth documenting. tricky bit is getting at the surviving crumbs. | [14:29] |
| mircea_popescu: | sure. | [14:29] |
| asciilifeform: | specifically in re 'iron built for reliability', 'tandem' was interesting. i dun expect to ever lay hands on 1 , tho | [14:30] |
| asciilifeform: | even the old ibm irons have a few things to teach pc re redundant/votingcircuit scheme. | [14:31] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i.e. box had multiple cpu that had to majority-agree re outcome of a cycle ) | [14:32] |
| asciilifeform: | reportedly items like this are being orbited , as cost-saving measure in place of ye olde saphire semiconductors. but there's ~nuffin publicly written re just how built. | [14:33] |
| asciilifeform: | afaik all such schemes still suffer at least 1 'jesus bolt'. | [14:34] |
| asciilifeform: | the win, when there is a win, is that you can make the jesusbolt 'stateless', i.e. if particle whacks it, it resets and retries the last cycle rather than going into metastable strange | [14:36] |
| * asciilifeform | distant from subj, cannot comment in detail re how well worx | [14:36] |
| phf: | asciilifeform: i worked on tandem for a bit (known by then as HP NonStop), i appreciated the architecture, but entire software stack was cobol | [17:46] |
| phf: | well, i appreciated it in theory, didn't have enough active drive to grok it, nor the necessary background | [17:47] |
| asciilifeform: | oh hey interesting phf | [17:47] |
| phf: | i still remember one of the cobol guys pulling out random bits from it on day one and going "i can just pull a bunch of things and it keeps working" | [17:48] |
| asciilifeform: | btw phf i hate to repeat meself but am i ever gonna see that bolixgem you dug up, or will i have to get whole thing from xray | [17:48] |
| asciilifeform: | ( the crate is slated to arrive tomorrow morning... ) | [17:48] |
| phf: | well, you'll still have to xray some, because i barely have anything on macivory, but i'll go over the scans this weekend. i actually have (miracle of miracles) free weekend coming up | [17:49] |
| asciilifeform: | mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools | [17:49] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: defo will have to xray, but thought 'oh hey possibly phf's material will give sumthing to correct against' | [17:50] |
| asciilifeform: | what i could really use is some PAL/GAL src. if ever turns up. will make the affair go 9000x quicker. | [17:50] |
| asciilifeform: | ( fwiw i still dunno if the bolix people set the lock bit in those things or not possibly they didn't even ) | [17:51] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: my current plan for that box is , roughly, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-13#1880521 | [17:52] |
| a111: | Logged on 2018-12-13 18:53 asciilifeform: 1st logical step , on the magic day when asciilifeform has both pcb layout and GAL contents nailed down, will prolly be to make an exact physical copy of the board. | [17:52] |
| asciilifeform: | ( i aint gonna stick to the period srams/drams, cuz that'd be simply dumb , each really belongs as 1 chip ) | [17:53] |
| asciilifeform: | ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram ) | [17:53] |
| phf: | so you want to make a replica that plugs into same hardware? i thought you'd want to do a fake mac harnes first? | [17:54] |
| phf: | i.e. get macivory working outside of macintosh context | [17:54] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: when thought about it, realized it was mistake : gotta find what the external-to-cpu logic on that thing actually does | [17:54] |
| asciilifeform: | plus i'ma need ivorytron with direct probes on the cpu lines, and there aint any room for such a thing in the orig | [17:55] |
| phf: | fair | [17:55] |
| phf: | you know if ivory on macivory actually replaceable, the way it is on xl? | [17:55] |
| asciilifeform: | ( actually 1st item will actually be to ditch the ancient scsi hdd and replace with solidstate. i'd hate to lose the box to platter rot ) | [17:56] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: socketed | [17:56] |
| asciilifeform: | in fact damn near errything but the filter caps is socketed. | [17:56] |
| phf: | yeah, the scsi/solidstate adapter exists, is actively used for "retro hardware" | [17:56] |
| asciilifeform: | aha | [17:57] |
| asciilifeform: | fortunately was quite gettable | [17:58] |
| asciilifeform: | ( didn't exist ~5y ago when i last contemplated doing all of this ) | [17:58] |
| feedbot: | http://danielpbarron.com/2018/this-goes-against-all-human-rationality/ << Daniel P. Barron -- This goes against all human rationality. | [19:29] |
| asciilifeform: | phf: i am thinking, instead of burning time on emulating 'nubus' and ancient crapple, when working (from mac-side pov) clone exists i'ma drive it directly via onboard ft2232hl or similar ( the mac-side src , i've had for yrs, and it's quite straightforward re what is done to the card once i know what specifically happens on the card when nubus regs are written, may as well do it from pc directly to/from the ivory cpu via usb-to-5v-f | [19:30] |
| asciilifeform: | ifo ) | [19:30] |
| asciilifeform: | a sort of anal feeding, if you will. | [19:31] |
| asciilifeform: | the item can then be used as fairly compact instrument to probe behaviour of the chip vs. the old emulators. | [19:32] |
| asciilifeform: | incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray.. | [19:35] |
| asciilifeform: | very much an open q tho. | [19:36] |
| asciilifeform: | danielpbarron: full bore calvin, eh | [19:37] |
| danielpbarron: | me? no, calvinism leads to hell | [19:38] |
| asciilifeform: | danielpbarron: plox to expand then, what do we get when we xor danielpbarron's no-free-wills with calvin | [19:38] |
| danielpbarron: | the best explaination is linked in that article, http://www.atruechurch.info/calvinarmin.html | [19:39] |
| danielpbarron: | but calvinism promotes the false doctrine of limited attonement | [19:39] |
| danielpbarron: | the idea that Christ died only for the elect, rather than for the entire world | [19:39] |
| asciilifeform: | also possibly i missed sumthing, but didn't danielpbarron schism from 'truechurch' ? | [19:40] |
| asciilifeform: | ( or was it over some other doctrine ) | [19:40] |
| danielpbarron: | huh? i am part of "a true church" -- idk where you got the idea i left | [19:41] |
| asciilifeform: | hm | [19:41] |
| asciilifeform: | !#s darwinfish | [19:41] |
| a111: | 1 result for "darwinfish", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=darwinfish | [19:41] |
| asciilifeform: | hrm | [19:41] |
| danielpbarron: | maybe you are looking for this http://danielpbarron.com/2018/show-me-the-light-by-all-means-but-later/ | [19:42] |
| asciilifeform: | could've sworn there was sumthing re a schism | [19:43] |
| danielpbarron: | yeah, darwin split from grace comminity baptist, and al soto split from darwin's thing | [19:43] |
| asciilifeform: | a | [19:44] |
| * asciilifeform | bbl : off to maffs room for ~3rd~ rewrite of ch14... | [19:47] |
| asciilifeform: | meanwhile, in phuctor q&a, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1zcrs/?raw=true | [22:27] |
| asciilifeform: | ( ben_vulpes : can haz logging back in #a plz ? ) | [22:27] |
| asciilifeform: | do i have to write own log bot nao on top of errything else ? | [22:27] |
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