Forum logs for 13 Mar 2017

Monday, 16 March, Year 12 d.Tr. | Author:
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1625922 << no idea how that came to be, but superseded by logbot-multiple-channels-corrected in any case [00:19]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 22:47 phf: ben_vulpes: oh hey http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels seems to be broken, missing antecedent for http://btcbase.org/hash/95A0046C0AF25E21DBA310217A289D7649DD86CB89709A89931BFE318A41022FFD4BA9DC046E04DAC1B32BC5304239866BF5CA9AD59328B7DA79B1D06437E273 [00:19]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E315F24020858F72C5BDC6A741CE5377B67D96960C54EC4746E4045ABFE1C5D2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1362...1353 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.29.174.44 (ssh-rsa key from 194.29.174.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (omega.if.pw.edu.pl. PL) [00:47]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E315F24020858F72C5BDC6A741CE5377B67D96960C54EC4746E4045ABFE1C5D2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1771...5857 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '194.29.174.44 (ssh-rsa key from 194.29.174.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (omega.if.pw.edu.pl. PL) [00:47]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/060F0CD9AADFA05AF6A895EEEB9A46E1BC488C05498CF8A7F90684E0ADE3026A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1453...4469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.169.123.42 (ssh-rsa key from 200.169.123.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (200-169-123-42.claro.net.br. BR) [01:05]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/060F0CD9AADFA05AF6A895EEEB9A46E1BC488C05498CF8A7F90684E0ADE3026A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1790...2437 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.169.123.42 (ssh-rsa key from 200.169.123.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (200-169-123-42.claro.net.br. BR) [01:05]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [01:29]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1236.32, vol: 5782.57372799 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1219.033, vol: 5324.81896 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1231.1, vol: 19521.32660081 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1175.776, vol: 4702.36620000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1223.373, vol: 2280.87045205 | Volume-weighted last average: 1222.80881861 [01:29]
* BingoBoingo unsure if this is *MOON* or *Crashing* [01:30]
ben_vulpes: oh i thought the failure of the don't-call-it-an-etf ripped the buy side clean out of the market though [01:30]
BingoBoingo: I kinda thought it would have went through because USG needs more thrashing about in desperation. [01:33]
BingoBoingo: Apparently though their fixation on Trump leads them to forget you can't spell Trump without MP [01:34]
ben_vulpes: lol [02:18]
ben_vulpes: i figured it was a shoo-in to provide a sham escape valve for 401k funbucks [02:18]
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/13/my-future-last-laugh/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - My Future (last laugh) [03:06]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o wow don't tell me the "bitcoin crashes because usg postures re its own paper bitcoin-ersatz" thing failed to last the week [08:30]
mircea_popescu: how can be!!! THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD must be more important than this!!11 waaah! [08:30]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it occurs to me, btw, that wrt the problem of the space for the right sidebar hanbot actually has the perfect fucking solution. check out thewhet.net : there's those selectors uptop, can have n overlays this way. [09:11]
Framedragger: doesn't work on lynx tho. [09:15]
Framedragger: requires jquery i think [09:15]
mircea_popescu: meh yeah it's js'd. a well [09:16]
Framedragger: breaks your http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595420 policy :) [09:16]
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 13:51 mircea_popescu: i use lynx and curl. [09:16]
Framedragger: but works nicely yeah [09:16]
mircea_popescu: jquery idtabs etc [09:16]
mircea_popescu: no real way to make this work otherwise, sadly. unless of course one's willing to write ~a 3d simulator via html5 [09:18]
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626306 << on top of that i brought it up with a whisperer, i got back "oh yeah, the loper os guy! i emailed him some time ago, but didn't get any response. he probably thought i'm some kind of tourist." [09:55]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 01:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626296 << bwahgahah dude what. you're like... THE champion of making oneself look bad. it's livresque! [09:55]
asciilifeform: tourist? [09:57]
phf: it's american slang, means like a schmuck, a random person [09:57]
asciilifeform: incidentally i finally agree with mircea_popescu : email dunwork [09:57]
asciilifeform: at one time i found a reply from al 'uncle al' schwartz that sat in a spam queue for (yes) several years [09:59]
asciilifeform: so now i cannot say 'eh nobody emailed' [10:03]
mircea_popescu: heh [10:03]
asciilifeform: meanwhile in the test room, 'Serial correlation coefficient is 0.000000 (totally uncorrelated = 0.0).' << i had nfi this was possible [10:04]
mircea_popescu: lel. are they shipping ? [10:04]
mircea_popescu: phf funny that he spent any time on bbsen / early mailing lists and dunno what tourist is [10:05]
mircea_popescu: !#s "blinken" [10:05]
a111: 30 results for "\"blinken\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22blinken%22 [10:05]
asciilifeform: i'm familiar with the usage, but it was a cache miss, been eons since i saw someone referred to as 'tourist' [10:06]
mircea_popescu: yeah, srsly, sounds like 90s spirit [10:06]
mircea_popescu: anyway, tourist = das rubbernecken sichtseeren [10:06]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes, they are shipping as soon as crate of rng lids (due in today) is here. [10:16]
mircea_popescu: nice [10:44]
mircea_popescu: so asciilifeform got an hour to hold my hand getting your ssh thing up ? i intend to bring a constellation and finally got everything lined up. [10:53]
asciilifeform: aha [10:54]
mircea_popescu: aite, what do i do ? [10:54]
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000252.html << start with this recipe [10:55]
mircea_popescu: aite. [10:55]
asciilifeform: and say if any of the steps dun make sense [10:55]
asciilifeform: this presupposes that you have a trb+wires built [10:55]
asciilifeform: if not, gotta do that 1st. [10:55]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: are you making a slave, or slave+master, or which [10:56]
mircea_popescu: i do not. [10:59]
mircea_popescu: i intend to make a half dozen masters, slave them to each other, and then let people get pipes. l1terate people, obviously. [10:59]
mircea_popescu: i imagine you'll want a bunch [11:00]
mircea_popescu: so where's the trb+wires recipe ? [11:00]
asciilifeform: linked just above [11:00]
asciilifeform: or you mean the vpatch [11:00]
asciilifeform: it is on the ml, and also visible in phf's thing, http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_wires_rev1 [11:01]
mircea_popescu: aite lemme see what i got here [11:01]
asciilifeform: (it vflows directly from mod6's 'makefiles' milestone) [11:01]
mircea_popescu: so apparently this node was build via trinque.sh [11:02]
mircea_popescu: is that out of date ? [11:02]
asciilifeform: indeed [11:02]
asciilifeform: about a year iirc. [11:02]
mircea_popescu: what was it superseded by ? [11:02]
asciilifeform: mod6's fully automatic build system [11:02]
mircea_popescu: a right, we get to test this too! [11:02]
mircea_popescu: where was it ? [11:02]
asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html << [11:02]
mircea_popescu: ty [11:02]
asciilifeform: btw it gets you the 'makefiles' vtree [11:03]
asciilifeform: to which can apply the wires patch. [11:03]
mircea_popescu: 0x20) Get http://deedbot.org/deed-427443-14.txt : name it 'pkgconf-0.8.9.tar.bz2.asc' [11:03]
mircea_popescu: also out of date i take it ? [11:03]
asciilifeform: nope, that part is current [11:03]
asciilifeform: and i whined about it here [11:03]
mircea_popescu: but doesn't include the wires ? [11:03]
asciilifeform: nope, wires are currently filed under 'experimental' [11:03]
asciilifeform: and at any rate happened after mod6's 'makefiles' release. [11:04]
asciilifeform: ( i introduced it on feb. 23 ) [11:04]
mircea_popescu: alrighty, so in order to add the wires i'd put in there 0x21) http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_wires_rev1.txt > asciilifeform_wires_rev1.asc ? [11:04]
asciilifeform: nope, the .asc thing is just for the tarballs for deps (bdb and other horrors) [11:05]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_wires_rev1.txt > asciilifeform_wires_rev1.txt ?! [11:05]
asciilifeform: the vpatch will go in your .patches, where everything from genesis onwards lives [11:05]
asciilifeform: if you haven't yet tried mod6's buildtron, run it per the recipe literally first, it will not rebuild the deps every time, is reasonably clever [11:06]
asciilifeform: afterwards you can add wires or whichever other experimental knobs, to the vtree, and rebuild. [11:06]
mircea_popescu: yes, stop squiriming and state for the record how do i add your experimental item to my build tree. [11:06]
asciilifeform: i just said above: you put it in the .patches dir. and its seal, in your .seals [11:07]
mircea_popescu: you did not say, you just waved your arms in an incomprehensible fashion. [11:07]
asciilifeform: ( mod6's recipe describes this step in detail ) [11:07]
mircea_popescu: 0x21) http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_wires_rev1.txt > asciilifeform_wires_rev1.asc << we are currently here. [11:07]
asciilifeform: ok backtrack : [11:07]
asciilifeform: see mod6's document, step '0x09) `mkdir patches` Gather trb vpatches from http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches in which ever manner suits you best.' [11:08]
mircea_popescu: aaalrighty! [11:09]
phf: curl http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_wires_rev1/file -o patches/asciilifeform_wires_rev1.vpatch curl http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_wires_rev1/seal/asciilifeform -o seals/asciilifeform_wires_rev1.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig [11:09]
asciilifeform: that's where all of the patches from which trb is made, live. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: phf ty [11:09]
asciilifeform: ty phf . but it was not clear to me what piece mircea_popescu had the problem with, was it where to get the patch, or where to put it. [11:09]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the defensive play is to provide both. [11:10]
mircea_popescu: and the need to backtrack is generally mentor-induced, mind. [11:10]
asciilifeform: i assumed (apparently wrongly) that mircea_popescu remembered basic vtronics . [11:11]
asciilifeform: ( you have a .wot, .seals, .patches, these can be named something else, but these are their conventional names out of these, vtron 'presses' a particular tree that you want.) [11:11]
mircea_popescu: i'm as you well know the least intelligent or technically apt person here, and it takes a significant amount of backroom dealing as well as outright bribery to even get you lot to tolerate my presence. [11:11]
mircea_popescu: you know, like the british empire in india. [11:11]
phf: i actually need to fix btcbase to make sure file names state consistent with vtronics model.. [11:11]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626396 << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html << I wrote the first cut of those too. [11:39]
a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 15:02 asciilifeform: mod6's fully automatic build system [11:39]
trinque: I don't even remember what the shell script would've been. Probably some stab earlier at what became the makefiles [11:40]
mircea_popescu: i can pasterbin if you'd like ? [11:42]
trinque: only for curiousity's sake. it certainly isn't worth using over what's in the V tree. [11:43]
mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9XRK3/?raw=true [11:44]
mircea_popescu: 5046 Dec 21 2015 trinque.sh* [11:45]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-21#1349879 << ah found it, that was a mod6 script I tweaked in some manner [11:54]
a111: Logged on 2015-12-21 23:38 mircea_popescu: trinque mind dpasting your fixed version then ? [11:54]
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-21#1349889 [11:54]
a111: Logged on 2015-12-21 23:44 trinque: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh [11:54]
mircea_popescu: aha [11:54]
mircea_popescu: this box is too cool for skewl. [11:55]
mircea_popescu: epic. so this built splendidly, mod6 tis a pleasure working with your recipe man. [12:10]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc it also produces repeatable (bitwise) binary. [12:11]
mircea_popescu: yeah. and it musls all the way, it's a total collossus of german engineering. [12:12]
mircea_popescu: so, now i have your patch and seal alf. next ? [12:12]
asciilifeform: now they go in patches and seals, respectively [12:13]
asciilifeform: now press to it : [12:13]
mircea_popescu: yeah that's where they went. [12:13]
asciilifeform: ./v.pl p v trb54 asciilifeform_wires_rev1.vpatch [12:14]
asciilifeform: ^ should now work. [12:14]
mircea_popescu: File: trb54/bitcoin/.gitignore [12:14]
mircea_popescu: Expected: 9a57fba56bdaf8ac851e2a336013f03f354005dee6f12f6d472882b284dd5cdae09d0f57729d877c0cf7dfee0f8bea8b602492860ae703f3f5934de15c7514ae [12:14]
mircea_popescu: Actual: 4623a5815e8c30cc2bf90c7d3b9a0470160165d934796388eafe07edff3bc154c42bb4ed3e8e7055135b80d75ee478b5e40742bf682fc66ac879cfd09a38c628 [12:14]
mircea_popescu: Pressed file hash did not match expected! [12:14]
mircea_popescu: fails. [12:14]
asciilifeform: lolwat [12:15]
mircea_popescu: i am at yer disposal [12:15]
asciilifeform: paste this file ? [12:15]
mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/EkpM8/?raw=true [12:16]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this looks like a bug in mod6's vtron : [12:17]
mircea_popescu: we ended up with subtle divergence in useless files ? [12:17]
asciilifeform: your copy of this turd (quite unnecessary in trb, in fact, but that's besides the point, we inherited it in genesis) consists of the original concatenated to itself ! [12:17]
mircea_popescu: you know it can be patched out. [12:18]
asciilifeform: it can, but that doesn't fix whatever resulted in it being appended to itself during the press [12:18]
asciilifeform: mod6 . paging mod6 ! [12:18]
mircea_popescu: alrighty. [12:18]
asciilifeform: in the meantime can try using asciilifeform's original vtron [12:18]
mircea_popescu: ima be available most of today to fux with this so no biggy. [12:18]
asciilifeform: ( which iirc mircea_popescu and also hanbot successfully used to build trb ) [12:18]
mircea_popescu: yeah, but no, no gains in forking the process. let the foundation item be apical [12:19]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile /me will go research how to write a patch to take out .gitignore altogether. [12:19]
mircea_popescu: which is of course bound to hit the situation where we have no proper treatment of file removal in vtron because old horrors. [12:20]
asciilifeform: we have the improper treatment, where the thing gets -------'d [12:20]
asciilifeform: linewise [12:20]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fact i can't actually patch it out as it won't match the correct file huh, it does line by line removal [12:20]
asciilifeform: ( and where it won't erase unless the hash of the victim matches! ) [12:20]
mircea_popescu: yeah but it has to be teh correct file then :D [12:20]
mircea_popescu: myeah. [12:20]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you also might have other filed doubled up because mod6's vtron did append instead of create somewhere, it looks like [12:21]
asciilifeform: *files [12:21]
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how the binary would have come out then ?! [12:21]
mircea_popescu: shall i hash it ? lessee [12:21]
asciilifeform: it happened on the 2nd press attempt [12:21]
asciilifeform: oh i have a clue : [12:21]
asciilifeform: looks like this is what mod6's vtron does instead of overwriting files [12:22]
mircea_popescu: sha512sum bitcoind [12:22]
mircea_popescu: 6ba4ff7bb8ea67e2b6a7d407903ad31a0182a4a3128216379e618312bd2f30aaf31dc148d20168c3b0bf3079021eb9040b94701a1a5223b03b4151f711444fe0 bitcoind [12:22]
asciilifeform: rm -rf trb54 [12:22]
asciilifeform: and then press again. [12:22]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this was a virgin space [12:22]
asciilifeform: nope, remember, you built the binary [12:22]
mircea_popescu: i made a special directory for it, that was empty at start. [12:22]
asciilifeform: yeah but his vtron pressed to that dir once. [12:22]
mircea_popescu: never [12:22]
mircea_popescu: /trb2016-02-20/trb54/bitcoin/bin < [12:22]
asciilifeform: it had to , for the build to proceed [12:22]
asciilifeform: ( there'dve been nothing to build, if it had not pressed ) [12:23]
mircea_popescu: that build happened in ~/trb/rotor/TEST2 etc [12:23]
mircea_popescu: hm are we talking at cross purposes ? [12:23]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, let's backtrack, and tellme what happens when [12:24]
asciilifeform: ./v.pl p v trbfoo asciilifeform_wires_rev1.vpatch [12:24]
mircea_popescu: you want me to run that ? [12:24]
asciilifeform: aha [12:24]
asciilifeform: it should make the dir and press to it [12:24]
mircea_popescu: made and pressed [12:25]
mircea_popescu: let's now examine the .gitinfo [12:25]
asciilifeform: should looks like the expected one. [12:25]
asciilifeform: and everything else likewise. [12:25]
asciilifeform: ( if you examine bitcoinrpc.cpp, you will see the wire option , for instance ) [12:25]
mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/76EwC/?raw=true aha [12:25]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu that looks like the doubled-up one [12:26]
mircea_popescu: well it's what's in there. [12:26]
asciilifeform: is that what came out of the new press also ! [12:26]
mircea_popescu: as best i can tell. [12:26]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if you press to the makefiles head do you get a concatenation as well? [12:27]
* asciilifeform repeated mircea_popescu's steps locally, just now, and got a correct result [12:28]
* asciilifeform quite dumbfounded [12:28]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-static_makefile_v002.8 ? [12:28]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you pasted the .gitignore from inside the resulting dir 'trbfoo' ? make sure this was so ? [12:28]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: makefiles.vpatch [12:28]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pebkac. wrong gitignore. lessee. [12:29]
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles [12:29]
mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Bc0If/?raw=true ! [12:30]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like this worked. confirmed that mod6's vtron doesn't check for file-exists, appends. (i won't even blame him, as such, this is the default idiot behaviour of gnudiff !) [12:31]
ben_vulpes: looks like mine [12:31]
mircea_popescu: alrighty. [12:31]
mircea_popescu: so that out of the way, [12:32]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now all you gotta do is to move the subdir 'bitcoin' inside this 'trbfoo' to replace the 'bitcoin' dir in trb54 [12:32]
asciilifeform: and then run make [12:32]
mircea_popescu: mv ~/trb2016-02-20/trbfoo/bitcoin/* ~/trb2016-02-20/trb54/bitcoin/* ? [12:33]
asciilifeform: rm -rf ~/trb2016-02-20/trb54/bitcoin [12:33]
asciilifeform: mv ~/trb2016-02-20/trbfoo/bitcoin ~/trb2016-02-20/trb54/bitcoin [12:34]
mircea_popescu: [~/trb2016-02-20/trb54]$ make ftr ? [12:35]
asciilifeform: the makefile is inside 'bitcoin' dir [12:35]
asciilifeform: so cd to it and then 'make'. [12:35]
mircea_popescu: mv: cannot stat `boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2.asc': No such file or directory [12:36]
mircea_popescu: make[1]: *** [boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2] Error 1 [12:36]
mircea_popescu: you nuked my bitcoin isntall didn't you. [12:36]
asciilifeform: if you still have the deps somewhere, copy'em over, otherwise gotta download'em [12:36]
mircea_popescu: sigh. [12:36]
asciilifeform: (for some reason mod6 put them inside the dir that gets pressed) [12:36]
mircea_popescu: THIS KINDERGARTEN LEVEL BULLSHIT!!1 [12:36]
ben_vulpes: device has a cost [12:37]
mircea_popescu: well, ima start over now. isn't that fucking wunderbar. [12:37]
ben_vulpes: if the makefile is intact, make ONLINE=1 i believe is the flag for autoprocure [12:37]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, i'm just giving him a hard time. because for srs! [12:38]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: once you have the contents of 'deps' again, i recommend to back it up to another dir, and to burn a cd, those turds ain't ever changing -- there will only get ~fewer~ (when we ditch, e.g., bdb) [12:38]
mircea_popescu: mod6 that said, /deps/ should prolly be level with seals and patches, not part of /bitcoin/ [12:39]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understant : not everyone treats the boxes like his mother. i am of the people who treat them like his socks. no fucking way am i going to backup this. let the box suck it. [12:39]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'lazy man does the work twice' or how did it go [12:39]
mircea_popescu: mno. [12:39]
asciilifeform: and you aint backing up 'this box' but the trb deps. that got frozen 4evah. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: this is not lazy, this is sane. not every slant of roof gets a tower, because things aren't all equal, and something must be the bottom. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: yes, and they are frozen forever in the place online=1 sucks them from. so this part is correct, and needs no fucking fixing. [12:40]
mircea_popescu: what needs fixing is a) for srs! and probably also b) /deps/ dun belong that low.l [12:40]
asciilifeform: anyway it's entirely a timesaving measure, you entirely can load them from somebody else each time, the thing won't proceed unless the hashes match [12:41]
mircea_popescu: stop squirming and don't make trusting noobs rm-rf-nuke the wrong things! [12:42]
asciilifeform: format c:^H^H^H^H^lolk [12:42]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B92BDB8947B78A414F8FE580BCFBCE7E1171228C1B5DD26AA5E5BD716796AF08 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1431...4833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.185.87.179 (ssh-rsa key from 210.185.87.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (210-185-87-179.intrapower.net.au. AU) [12:43]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B92BDB8947B78A414F8FE580BCFBCE7E1171228C1B5DD26AA5E5BD716796AF08 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1618...4153 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '210.185.87.179 (ssh-rsa key from 210.185.87.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (210-185-87-179.intrapower.net.au. AU) [12:43]
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i was thinking' of buying that 'ivory' and making a signal interposer . any idea whether the magic cpu was soldered down, or LIF socketed..? [12:49]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [12:49]
mircea_popescu: !~later tell mod6 list of items for mod6's convenience : 1) nice job! 2) successive presses overfill .gitignore and possibly other files 3) deps directory should prolly be same level as patches and .seals [12:50]
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. [12:50]
mircea_popescu: ok we're compiled asciilifeform [13:04]
asciilifeform: yay [13:05]
asciilifeform: now can proceed to the recipe itself [13:05]
asciilifeform: (at the risk of pedantry) first put the newly-build 'bitcoind' binary, on the box that will become the first slave. [13:05]
asciilifeform: (and on any other box that will be a wire slave) [13:06]
mircea_popescu: uh. [13:06]
mircea_popescu: i guess this'd be it. i intend to rebuild on all of them. [13:06]
asciilifeform: then you can. (and for bonus point, compare the binaries, they oughta be exactly same) [13:06]
mircea_popescu: right. [13:06]
mircea_popescu: im certainly not shipping binaries about. [13:06]
* asciilifeform also likes to keep the whole orchestra on his nodez [13:07]
mircea_popescu: half the point of the original effort that started this whole thing was to avoid just that bad habit [13:07]
asciilifeform: there's nothing promisetronic re copying a static bin that you built ~yourself~ to >1 box. (for one thing, it demonstrates that it is genuinely static and will run on heterogeneous boxen.) but you can do it either way. [13:10]
mircea_popescu: it requires my managing it. [13:12]
asciilifeform: true, it opens you up to 'hm which one do i have on THIS box' etc. which is why i like to keep the buildtron on each. [13:12]
mircea_popescu: yes. [13:13]
asciilifeform: ( re the recipe : 'autossh' is a c proggy, from heathendom, i have not audited it. this is one of the reasons for the skull'n'crossbones. there is a similar utility called 'RSTunnel' that consists solely of bash script. but i have not tested it . ) [13:18]
asciilifeform: you gotta have something that will re-ignite ssh if it drops. [13:19]
asciilifeform: because ssh is a product of 'satoshis', people who were dropped as children, and cannot be made to self-reignite. [13:20]
mircea_popescu: ok, so now with the built trb with ssh patch... [13:20]
asciilifeform: wires patch [13:20]
asciilifeform: it is not married to ssh [13:20]
mircea_popescu: right [13:20]
asciilifeform: but proceed [13:20]
* mircea_popescu reviews teh log. [13:21]
mircea_popescu: recommending ssh-keygen is fucking shameful [13:27]
mircea_popescu: you know it made me a "key" in <0.1 s ? [13:28]
ben_vulpes: but the pseudo-useful key generator is /cryptographically secure/ mircea_popescu, i don't know what you're complaining about [13:31]
mircea_popescu: yeah. also !#s phuctor [13:31]
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: heh feel free to convert it to openpgp (http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/crap-from-scans-to-be-sorted/ssh-to-pgp.py) and submit to phuctor. [13:32]
mircea_popescu: "hey, we didn't say it is EXPERIMENTALLY secure now did we! door's that way and don't forget your social security contributions." [13:32]
Framedragger: i expect most of those broken openssh keys were generated by ssh-keygen [13:32]
mircea_popescu: me too. [13:32]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with what to generate ~ssh~ key ? [13:33]
asciilifeform: i dun have an alt-ssh (yes). [13:33]
Framedragger: yupyup. easy to shame but nothing to replace it with [13:34]
trinque: your whole planet being poor does not erase the shame of poverty [13:35]
asciilifeform: trinque: don't put wire-trb on your icbm-controller box. the skull is there for a reason. [13:35]
mircea_popescu: what can i say. trinque has it. [13:36]
asciilifeform: if i had a ticket to the mythical planet where programmers aren't retarded and 'the shame of poverty' is not smelled, we would not even be having the trb conversation. [13:37]
asciilifeform: that being said, you can use 'wire' with anything that can maintain a ciphered tcp pipe between two boxes. dun have to be ssh. [13:37]
trinque: all servers are toilets ass needs to be able to lay turds elsewhere at a moment's notice [13:38]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/HlU5K/?raw=true << key [13:42]
mircea_popescu: slave supposedly ready to go, what ip do i tell addwire ? [13:43]
asciilifeform: 1s [13:45]
mircea_popescu: also, architecture-wise : i plan to get my boxes in a ring, and link 1 of you fellows to each. unless objections to the arrangement. [13:46]
asciilifeform: ok you're in [13:46]
asciilifeform: and the ip is dulap's [13:46]
asciilifeform: 46.166.165.30 [13:47]
asciilifeform: and the user is 'tunnel' just like in the recipe. [13:47]
asciilifeform: (everybody gets the same 1) [13:47]
asciilifeform: and woah, record-breaking liquishit in mempool today [13:48]
mircea_popescu: hm, i dun think this workt. [13:51]
asciilifeform: say what it does instead of working [13:52]
mircea_popescu: a sec [13:52]
mircea_popescu: tunnel@46.166.165.30 huh [13:53]
asciilifeform: aha [13:53]
asciilifeform: btw i assume this is a brand-new box, there is no blockchain on it [13:55]
asciilifeform: so this'll test the sync-from-0 [13:55]
asciilifeform: (afaik nobody tested this yet) [13:55]
asciilifeform: ^ over wires, that is [13:55]
mircea_popescu: nah, it's the box that produced that debug log last week [13:56]
asciilifeform: aite [13:56]
mircea_popescu: and screen apparently bit it. [13:58]
mircea_popescu: screen -x results in a hanged terminal, ctrl-c does nothing, supposedlt active terminals won'\t spawn windows etc. box is otherwise fine though. fucking linux,. [13:59]
asciilifeform: nasty [14:00]
mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GJjrn/?raw=true in other lelz. [14:01]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is documented [14:01]
mircea_popescu: anyway, tail -f debug.log shows a lot of activity. [14:02]
asciilifeform: gotta have the LC_ALL="C" prefix [14:02]
mircea_popescu: i do. [14:02]
asciilifeform: when you run bitcoind (both demonized and the commandline rpc) [14:02]
mircea_popescu: o shit, i didn't put the quotes in. blerg. [14:02]
mircea_popescu: "blocks" : 419373, "connections" : 4, [14:03]
mircea_popescu: dja see me asciilifeform ? [14:03]
mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CZwEB/?raw=true << my side. [14:05]
asciilifeform: your pipe is dead, looks like [14:05]
BingoBoingo: In other pipelines, Antpool is declaring their switch to notBitUnlimitedSpamCoin [14:10]
mircea_popescu: "blocks" : 419374, btw, as predicted. [14:11]
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all [14:14]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1235.0, vol: 6356.86788291 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1222.781, vol: 7112.75723 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1234.1, vol: 23631.983642 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1149.282246, vol: 6024.23880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1225.981, vol: 3838.75876789 | Volume-weighted last average: 1220.96420576 [14:14]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/while-leftists-mourn-preet-legacy-usg-continues-thrashing/ << Qntra - While Leftists Mourn Preet Legacy USG Continues Thrashing [14:17]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'disproved' --> 'disapproved' [14:18]
BingoBoingo: ty fxd [14:19]
mircea_popescu: lel [14:20]
mircea_popescu: good point, though. dude got fucked with a raw pinetree. he's 44. his career is finished. he will be washing dishes / bussing tables in a coupla years [14:20]
mircea_popescu: but i guess he has two weeks of fake news frenzy cca march 2017 to keep him warm for all that. [14:21]
BingoBoingo: And it's not like he has actual opportunities to make new career in private practice [14:21]
BingoBoingo: Not with that wholesale attack on "private practice" he did [14:22]
mircea_popescu: aha. [14:22]
mircea_popescu: there's a signfiicant difference between "actually has a profession" and "goes around trying to bully people with threats from his underworld connections" [14:23]
BingoBoingo: And it's not like his "self" is charismatic enough for the community organizing scam either [14:23]
mircea_popescu: maybe that, but the secret of that is that you'd have to be a stupid as a 20yo "didn't like math" girl to imagine that is something to do. [14:23]
mircea_popescu: it's about as financially productive as "make money online" [14:24]
BingoBoingo: Well, it's a chumatron [14:24]
BingoBoingo: Attach self to mature nonprofit, eat 95% of donations and plant a couple fucking trees [14:24]
mircea_popescu: busing tables better, but yeah, prolly too good for injun. [14:25]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's exactly like "get 100k/month in google advertising checks!!!" [14:25]
mircea_popescu: "there's proof online that it once happened". [14:25]
BingoBoingo: lol, well doesn't keep new marks from trying [14:33]
mircea_popescu: anyway, totally on my list of people to visit later and piss on the shoes on. [14:34]
mircea_popescu: of* [14:34]
davout: shoe on head first obviously [14:44]
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in monkeystan, http://archive.is/PQTvW [14:52]
asciilifeform: 'A woman has posted video of herself pointedly questioning White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer while he was out shopping at a local Apple store. ... Chauhan asks Spicer how it feels to work for “a fascist” and “what can you tell me about Russia.” Spicer smiles through the encounter and repeatedly says “thank you” to Chauhan. At one point, he tells her, “such a great country that [14:52]
asciilifeform: allows you to be here.” Chauhan says in a blog post that Spicer's comment was racially motivated. ' [14:52]
trinque: microwaves that turn into cameras? hawhawhaw, who let that woman speak on TV? [14:54]
trinque: (that is the angle the leftists are pushing now, eh?) [14:55]
asciilifeform: aha, sorta how '9/11 truth' came to ~mandatorily~ include 'martians did it' [14:55]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/middlebury-madness-update-leftist-professor-attacked-by-leftist-agitators-hospitalized/ << Qntra - Middlebury Madness Update: Leftist Professor Attacked By Leftist Agitators Hospitalized [14:59]
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/ceo-marissa-mayer-out-at-yahoo-as-verizon-to-rebrand-the-thing-to-altaba/ << Qntra - CEO Marissa Mayer Out At Yahoo As Verizon To Rebrand The Thing To Altaba [16:00]
pete_dushenski: altaba ? bizarro mix of alibaba and altavista i guess [16:01]
BingoBoingo: Well, nostalgia [16:05]
pete_dushenski: it's the maga fuel so it must be worth something, at least more than spam ads and search rankings [16:06]
pete_dushenski: or more like ranklings atm [16:07]
BingoBoingo: !~google "Pence in our time" [16:10]
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Mike Pence to CPAC: 'This is our time ' - Washington Times: <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/23/mike-pence-cpac-our-time/> Pence takes victory lap at CPAC: 'This is our time ' | TheHill: <http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/320945-victorious-pence-at-cpac-this-is-our-time> Mike Pence to CPAC: 'This Is Our Time ' - Newsmax.com: (1 more message) [16:10]
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610852 << shot this dude (gautier de montmollin) an email last week and actually heard back from him. he said he was flattered at the invite but was under the assumption that 'bitcoin code was already perfect'. now seeing if i can wrangle him into channel for a visit. updates forthcoming. [16:10]
a111: Logged on 2017-02-02 01:08 asciilifeform: http://unzip-ada.sourceforge.net/za_html/index.htm << astonishingly readable literate-programming d00d. and he has a bunch of these. [16:10]
pete_dushenski: see u guise, email isn't dead! it was just sleeping. that's not blood coming from its ears and eyes, just catsup [16:10]
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Quite a few times when you tried to email qntra submissions they were buried in spam que [16:11]
* pete_dushenski goes to check his own spam filter for first time in months [16:13]
pete_dushenski: phew. nothing missed. [16:14]
pete_dushenski: just a few offerings to buy the domain name 'bitcoinpet.com'! [16:14]
pete_dushenski: who knew that tailing 'e' would be so confuzing [16:15]
pete_dushenski: in other boaring news, http://www.reuters.com/video/2017/03/09/fukushima-hit-towns-scramble-to-clear-ou?videoId=371268563 [16:20]
jurov: alert for everyone who avoids derperisms: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=20835.0 "Firefox 52.0 Requires Pulseaudio" [16:58]
BingoBoingo: ty jurov [17:06]
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6895 [17:27]
pete_dushenski: that reminds me, latest taleb https://medium.com/incerto/the-facts-are-true-the-news-is-fake-5bf98104cea2#.kw8rmx5h7 [17:28]
Framedragger: lol guardian strikes again pete_dushenski "Even then someone at The Guardian tried (unsuccessfully) to tone down my letter by showing that it was some type of *disagreement* with what *I* said, not a correction of their misrepresentation" [17:54]
Framedragger: hmm. "The period of time that corresponds to the reliance on one-sided accounts such as television and newspapers, which can be controlled by the mandarins, lasted from the middle of the twentieth century until the U.S. elections of 2016. In that sense, social networks, allowing a two-way flow of information, put back the mechanism of tidings in its natural format. As with participants in [18:07]
Framedragger: markets and souks, there is a long term advantage to being dependable." << if he's saying what i think he's saying (social networks work again!1 people use them to understand things!1) then he's beyond naive, as the modern 'social network' is nothing like that of a bazaar. the former is ~basically facebook which on top of being...facebook, selectively filters and presents "your friends' stories" [18:07]
Framedragger: that it predicts you will click on. a lot of that reduces to "things i agree with", which is not at all bazaar-like, iiut. unless he meant "people recognising fake news for what it is, and physical word-of-mouth becoming a tool again." the latter does not imply facebook, but still sounds much too naive to my ear, but i dunno. [18:07]
Framedragger: s/iiut/iiui/ [18:10]
ben_vulpes: the lifespan and relevancy of facebook or any other webapp pales in comparison to the power of actual social networks [18:11]
Framedragger: *of course*. i'm not completely certain that he meant the latter (i guess he did?) and if he did, whether what he described is actually the case ("actual social networks are used as source of info again!1" - maybe?) [18:13]
* Framedragger not on the right side of the pond to know, i guess [18:14]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger man is naive enough to be on medium. [18:27]
Framedragger: yeah, ffs. [18:27]
pete_dushenski: taleb's old enough that he still clearly maintains much of the 'information superhighway' idealism about the internet [18:29]
pete_dushenski: anyways Framedragger, i don't read nassim's use of 'social network' to refer to the zuckermovie or anything of the sort. he's naive but not ignorant enough to miss filtering effects. he'd doubtless include irc and pgpgrams in the category of mandarin-disrupting two-way comms. but i agree that his point is obscured by loose language. [18:38]
pete_dushenski: off to see the wizard. bbl. [18:40]
Framedragger: yeah, fair enough. [18:40]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha bitcoin code is perfect ? [18:52]
mircea_popescu: dude talk about fake notions. [18:52]
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski seems likely he imagines medium, twitter and the rest of the "im an unemployable but fuckable ditz here's my rider" fare. [18:54]
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ << Trilema - Fake news are just one tail of the failed female state [19:04]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D367732F61B8657E77FC199A9369B2601BBE1B6C5B3265AD15DFF8738E27A0AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1660...2967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.59.9.162 (ssh-rsa key from 200.59.9.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (mail1.imap.com.ar. AR B) [21:46]
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D367732F61B8657E77FC199A9369B2601BBE1B6C5B3265AD15DFF8738E27A0AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1443...4379 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.59.9.162 (ssh-rsa key from 200.59.9.162 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt> ' (mail1.imap.com.ar. AR B) [21:46]
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu check yer pm, i found your eggog. [22:23]
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. [22:23]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'd like to defend him by noting that social network != social media but dude's command of english leaves enough to be desired that this distinction isn't much of a leg to stand on [23:17]
pete_dushenski: open q : anyone tried this (or other) intel me 'cleaner' ? https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner/wiki/How-does-it-work%3F [23:18]
pete_dushenski: looking to use it on crapbook so equipped [23:18]
pete_dushenski: !#s i7 [23:19]
a111: 36 results for "i7", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=i7 [23:19]
pete_dushenski: though i'm entirely open to the criticism that it's like sprinkling holy water on a dented can in the hopes that clostridium botulinum feels the wrath of my gods [23:20]
pete_dushenski: in other holies, eleven! http://archive.is/8eRsf [23:22]
pete_dushenski: looks like those xmas teas from lt bought some more business for uab cherry servers [23:22]
asciilifeform: lul cloudflare eggog [23:27]
pete_dushenski: ? [23:27]
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski's archive.is link [23:28]
asciilifeform: nao loads [23:28]
pete_dushenski: aha i jumped it a bit [23:28]
* asciilifeform bbl, meat [23:29]
asciilifeform: https://www.ebay.com/itm/112326565327 << holy fuq phf [23:45]
asciilifeform: ~ $ 7k ! [23:45]
mod6: oh hey... sorry, just catching up now. was crazy day. [23:55]
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